From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 00:07:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5145uL02677; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:05:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:05:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2gSXdLeZDjP9671EA7piGCw9TpEvLwHLtebw1AGXholSORNA4wZfnBf4IpqE6W05bFcI2QRIwQ7VMIyI6Xt9jL4O9FT1iNs+rOglrq02EKUHDyaxfscRkj/CGCjNYRYjpL97XXVgXI1fcIKUHt0c0luoXpv8YGBnLrmJM6M+7O0= ; Message-ID: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Corbett Subject: coming up with titles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do you do it? I think I put way to much importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece over and over and draw a blank. And now looking at my titles I am not sure I am happy with any of them. Also updated my music recently so if anyone wants to check it out (and suggest titles even!) then feel free: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=_music&bandid=314378&bandnamesave=johncorbett John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 00:20:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j514Idq04074; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:18:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:18:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bc2Vu+3nZlG8y8vAmJc2oD4lILc0DNmyemB4TIapyrLo6hzDVB2fYxorkSw/ownAoWICHKUteXmSR0xQzl9VPVQKjq/xDzDakSCHSNpX8/xmqXm95aryz4CUKzLNi3qadJIvNvbSAiVIB6ffuIniYzYjY7QfGJSUJyXPXMe9iy0= ; Message-ID: <20050601041751.16241.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I once strapped a KAOSS Pad to my ass...... . . ...it was pure K-ASS !! =RANDY= __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 00:54:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j514rDe08382; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:52:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050601005739.36257.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lyle quit using the guitar with the kaos pad built in because the electronics were finicky. He also has been out of Beck's band for a couple of years and recently joined Sting's new quartet, at least he is commited to doing a show in July...Live Aid at Wimbley Stadium.. he said he got the gig because he happened to run in to Josh Friese, Sting's latest drummer, who he's done sessions with, in Guitar Center, Man I gotta hang out in Guitar Center more often. Ha! Ha! But seriously, Lyle is the kind of guy who would show up at a Sting rehearsal knowing his whole catelogue, a great guitarist who's talents were under-utilized in his stints with Frank Black and Beck, in my humble opinion, and that is not taking anything away from either of those guys. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! I think one of David Torn's Koll guitars is like that. I'm not sure of the details, so I won't attempt anything more than a vague description, but if I remember correctly it's got a patina-ed copper pickguard which acts as a a tactile interface to control a circuit (a modded zvex, perhaps?) that's either thereminish or KAOSesque. -t- --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Good point, and that is why I LOVE my AirFX and > KAOSS > pads. However, to use either while playing > guitar... > is difficult. Wouldn't it be nice if such a device > was built into a guitar and available as some sort > of > joystick or xy pad mounted right on the instrument? > I > had dreams of mounting a KAOSS pad like this, but > it's > far too big. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Processed in 4.371113 secs Process 11990) Message-ID: <49311.213.100.44.49.1117610065.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: coming up with titles From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi John, each times i think about a good title, i write it down. could be while reading, talking, falling asleep, watching a movie, etc. i've been doing this for years now and i'm starting to have quite an impressive collection - hundreds of titles :) fun. when i finish a record i browse them. they are not always fitting but often there do. i think preoccupations one have are somehow connected from a media to another. stéphane > How do you do it? I think I put way to much > importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you > and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece > over and over and draw a blank. And now looking at my > titles I am not sure I am happy with any of them. > Also updated my music recently so if anyone wants to > check it out (and suggest titles even!) then feel > free: > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=_music&bandid=314378&bandnamesave=johncorbett > > John > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 05:13:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5199Uo04163; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:09:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:09:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <49311.213.100.44.49.1117610065.squirrel@213.100.44.49> References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> <49311.213.100.44.49.1117610065.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: coming up with titles Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:38:53 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j51981x03938 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 1, 2005, at 9:14, obadia wrote: > . when i finish a record i browse them. they > are not always fitting but often there do. > i think preoccupations one have > are somehow connected from a media to another. > > stéphane That's interesting. It also appears as we are not, as individuals, fully aware of these connections. Not initially, that is, but as you work on ideas for different media you may slowly start to realize that they are all children of the same more or less subconscious "inspiration trigger" within yourself. Some say "I always write the same song", "I always play the same music" or "I always paint the same picture", which is typical. Next level of this thinking is to assume that every human being has a default blue-print for optional artistic expression. The interesting question here is if that individual blue-print does change over time? Or are we just digging deeper into it? (thinking about DNA structure etc) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 05:45:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j519il508026; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c5668e$72c32cf0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> <49311.213.100.44.49.1117610065.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Subject: Re: default blue-print for optional artistic expression Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:44:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Some say "I always write the > same song", "I always play the same music" or "I always paint the > same picture", which is typical. Interesting topic. A friend of mine psychologist told me that humans tends to repeat the same behaviors. In other word and to make an example, he says that a man will looking for the same kind of woman, even if that kind of woman will make him suffer . A behavior can evolute but it will be different only if the subject will change in the deep of himself. In my personal experience, I find it true. In an interwiev mr. Eno says that the humans have to think in different directions than as usual. In this way, it is possible to reach new points of wiev. It's the "oblique strategies" philosophy, isnt' it ? Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ___________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: coming up with titles > On Jun 1, 2005, at 9:14, obadia wrote: > > > . when i finish a record i browse them. they > > are not always fitting but often there do. > > > i think preoccupations one have > > are somehow connected from a media to another. > > > > stéphane > > > That's interesting. It also appears as we are not, as individuals, > fully aware of these connections. Not initially, that is, but as you > work on ideas for different media you may slowly start to realize > that they are all children of the same more or less subconscious > "inspiration trigger" within yourself. Some say "I always write the > same song", "I always play the same music" or "I always paint the > same picture", which is typical. > > Next level of this thinking is to assume that every human being has a > default blue-print for optional artistic expression. The interesting > question here is if that individual blue-print does change over time? > Or are we just digging deeper into it? (thinking about DNA structure > etc) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 11:25:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51FMpW24225; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:22:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:22:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GnAzGBHdUoyUswvjyd5zp12taMuHBZo6Kf4KBS5l5IpM2FpOBO5i8pP/mUhDTYe01fhkcrITd/sWxa8TTN95W8ZrqM/7W3MWsJXHvLBiy3IBERDsU9Vo3hq7vOHqzqHPXQh+ZbzK8B6sBJTEx4tQeGETEbyvYcUYrt5eghZ4a/M= ; Message-ID: <20050601151828.73586.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: star wars loops/early loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200506010454.j514sve08614@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2081942192-1117639108=:72812" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2081942192-1117639108=:72812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i remember watching part of the commentary for the phantom menace movie (#I) awhile back, and the scenes w/ the junk dealer who "owns" anakin, when his wings are flapping, the sound was created using a continous loop of an umbrella opening and closing (i think). i always wondered what type of looper does the skywalker sound studios use. i remember a while back listening to my first recorded loop experiments and thinking that i got a lot of mileage out of very little gear (digitech rp100 and dod d-12), and i thought the stuff held up as interesting to listen to. there was a sense that i was really experimenting more, b/c i was trying to recreate sounds i'd heard others do, and i didn't have the greatest looper, etc. i also had been exploring stuff for a yr and a 1/2 before i could record anything, to my original 4-track recorder also....oh, those were the days....s--- --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! 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i remember watching part of the commentary for the phantom menace movie (#I) awhile back, and the scenes w/ the junk dealer who "owns" anakin, when his wings are flapping, the sound was created using a continous loop of an umbrella opening and closing (i think). i always wondered what type of looper does the skywalker sound studios use.

i remember a while back listening to my first recorded loop experiments and thinking that i got a lot of mileage out of very little gear (digitech rp100 and dod d-12), and i thought the stuff held up as interesting to listen to. there was a sense that i was really experimenting more, b/c i was trying to recreate sounds i'd heard others do, and i didn't have the greatest looper, etc. i also had been exploring stuff for a yr and a 1/2 before i could record anything, to my original 4-track recorder also....oh, those were the days....s---

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Check it out! --0-2081942192-1117639108=:72812-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 12:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51GoQU09193; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ARB0OOQkphzAC0xLiypoIUsR1wr+pKUrLyTYm5WMDyTdg9pfaGL1oat0khFuI14MHVc2zO8dwd6IkD4n2G7c8QKpw5OD6XHAxRXrrMe1N7TBFUEDX6juezP0jtlY9ULlhEWspcjrIVGQwTWBGGTZUvP9mmrjH91UUOdSXrnQH/8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:48:12 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: star wars loops/early loops In-Reply-To: <20050601151828.73586.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200506010454.j514sve08614@hemlock.violacea.com> <20050601151828.73586.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j51GmHx08715 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 6/1/05, scott hansen wrote: > > i remember a while back listening to my first recorded loop experiments and > thinking that i got a lot of mileage out of very little gear (digitech rp100 > and dod d-12), Be careful. These are famous last words that usually occur right before you decide to minimilize and sell all your gear for a more simple rig only to end up re-purchasing all the gear you sold a few years down the road =) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 13:07:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51H5rQ11910; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429DEA12.1030803@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:02:10 -0400 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: coming up with titles References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Corbett wrote: >How do you do it? I think I put way to much >importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you >and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece >over and over and draw a blank. > Keep a notebook of possible titles and see if any match the music. Quotes from literature is a good source. Lots of people have mined TS Eliot, but there are still some good ones to be found in his poems. Pick up an art book. If any of the pictures seem to match your music, borrow the title. Borrow movie titles. Choose a pantheon of gods and attribute your pieces to various dieties. Name your songs after cards in the tarot deck. Or use any other means of divination. Well, maybe not necromancy, unless you're on of *those* (-8. Name them after your friends. Or your enemies, if they're that kind of music. Take an album you like and feed its song titles into a Jabberwocky program and see what you come up with. Above all, have fun. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 13:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51H6Xs12004; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429DEA9B.2000409@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:04:27 -0400 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: coming up with titles References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Corbett wrote: >How do you do it? I think I put way to much >importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you >and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece >over and over and draw a blank. > > Then there's the technique His Name Is Alive uses: new songs get the names of cities to serve as a working title until the "real" title is revealed. Sometimes, the "real" title never does reveal itself, hence the song entitled "Tempe." John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 14:35:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51IW0Q00744; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:32:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:32:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: coming up with titles Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c566d8$42b340a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <429DEA12.1030803@pa.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Corbett wrote: >How do you do it? I think I put way to much >importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you >and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece >over and over and draw a blank. Sometimes, I try to keep a relationship between the music and the title - sometimes I do not. Keeping a notebook of possible titles (as John McIntyre suggested) is a great idea - and you can get titles from almost everywhere. Of course, books are a great source, albeit one where other artists might have salvaged already. Titles I took from fiction books were "Amazing scenes" (an important line in "A House for Mr. Biswas" by V.S. Naipaul) and "Chiba City Blues" (from Neuromancer, which of course lots of other musicians already thought of), and "The Corrections". Then there are titles hidden in non-fiction, even scientific texts. From a book on monte carlo methods in quantum electrodynamics: "turnabout.increment." and "Fractal Dimension". Computer games might be a source ("Rangers lead the way"). Sometimes the place you play provides a source for titles (a concert we played at a coctail bar resulted in titles like "Blushin' Russian", "Swimming Pool" and "Flaming Blue Fuck"). Then there's names of places ("Aqua Negra", a wholly unaesthetic place near Lago di Garda, Italy, *hi Luca*), political texts (I played this concert where I did the titles "Massive Retaliation" and "Flexible Response"). Then there's funny things you might here about on TV or in conversation. I once met this girl who worked as a "freelance clown"... So just keep your ears/eyes open and think about writing down everything that sounds interesting. Then, of course, my strategy might seem unapt as most of my titles are rather...childish... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 14:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51IdtY03392; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:39:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:39:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:39:12 EDT Subject: Re: AW: coming up with titles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a9.74a5bc31.2fcf5ad0_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a9.74a5bc31.2fcf5ad0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/1/2005 1:35:43 PM Central Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > most of my titles are > rather...childish... > You know the secret: grow old but never grow up. --part1_a9.74a5bc31.2fcf5ad0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message=20= dated 6/1/2005 1:35:43 PM Central Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes:


most of my titles are
rather...childish...



You know the secret: grow old but never grow up.
--part1_a9.74a5bc31.2fcf5ad0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 14:43:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51IdTw03278; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:38:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: coming up with titles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:04 PM -0700 5/31/05, John Corbett wrote: >How do you do it? I think I put way to much >importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you >and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece >over and over and draw a blank. And now looking at my >titles I am not sure I am happy with any of them. I tend to like funny song titles, although I don't seem to be able to come with them. List member Joe Rut has a bunch of funny titles on the lumper/splitter CD (which I found quite enjoyable, and has some good looping on it, BTW). http://www.kingtone.com/lumper_splitter.html Hatfield and the North had funny titles. My titles tend to be single word things that I come up with in an almost word-association sort of way. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 15:04:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51J2Tf09686; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:02:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:02:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tOqaisQ/pbMPzLC1JzXmkgViYpNHn/jZJHBC2M+BTyzoJQUpnAgrYori+trXcgp+Ds6WRCceW1opN5ywv/9F63EjTpDN79mFK+086HfxytAaRz+CntVe1SJ3Bb57oVQljuJlRe8krYZEkcov+0UbzLuoDMmttbLvf7xuOPaetjE= ; Message-ID: <20050601190056.6881.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: AW: coming up with titles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c566d8$42b340a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's always the creative method that Dave Matthews uses - just number them until you think of a name. That's why they have such catchy titles as: #40, #41, etc. =) I think I read once that some of their titles were even suggested by roadies with no relevance to the song, such as "Blue Water Baboon Farm." Mike --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > John Corbett wrote: > > >How do you do it? I think I put way to much > >importance on this. Sometimes something just hits > you > >and that's it but most of the time I listen to a > piece > >over and over and draw a blank. > > Sometimes, I try to keep a relationship between the > music and the title > - sometimes I do not. Keeping a notebook of possible > titles (as John > McIntyre suggested) is a great idea - and you can > get titles from almost > everywhere. Of course, books are a great source, > albeit one where other > artists might have salvaged already. Titles I took > from fiction books > were "Amazing scenes" (an important line in "A House > for Mr. Biswas" by > V.S. Naipaul) and "Chiba City Blues" (from > Neuromancer, which of course > lots of other musicians already thought of), and > "The Corrections". Then > there are titles hidden in non-fiction, even > scientific texts. From a > book on monte carlo methods in quantum > electrodynamics: > "turnabout.increment." and "Fractal Dimension". > Computer games might be > a source ("Rangers lead the way"). Sometimes the > place you play provides > a source for titles (a concert we played at a > coctail bar resulted in > titles like "Blushin' Russian", "Swimming Pool" and > "Flaming Blue > Fuck"). Then there's names of places ("Aqua Negra", > a wholly unaesthetic > place near Lago di Garda, Italy, *hi Luca*), > political texts (I played > this concert where I did the titles "Massive > Retaliation" and "Flexible > Response"). Then there's funny things you might here > about on TV or in > conversation. I once met this girl who worked as a > "freelance clown"... > > So just keep your ears/eyes open and think about > writing down everything > that sounds interesting. > > Then, of course, my strategy might seem unapt as > most of my titles are > rather...childish... > > Rainer > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 15:13:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51JBlt10788; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050601191026.24791.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: star wars loops/early loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wise words! If you have the space... --- Joey wrote: > Be careful. These are famous last words that usually > occur right > before you decide to minimilize and sell all your > gear for a more > simple rig only to end up re-purchasing all the gear > you sold a few > years down the road =) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 15:23:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51JKVo12249; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Drummachine? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work with, although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I find myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital Performer than for it's sequencing. I'm hoping to find something that's more user friendly and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK to learn yet deep and good sounding. What are people using with success? On my list are the Korg Electribe EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one but I'm leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland MC-505. (I miss my 307!) I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's MIDI sync awaits your messages... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 19:16:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j51NFeS12280; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:15:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:15:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:22:08 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: coming up with titles To: Message-id: <003901c56700$bb9210a0$18aaa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8lmEDD.A.88C.OFknCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had a very difficult time finding titles to things I do, so I am probably putting too much importance on the title. :-) Most of my looped music is instrumental, so there are no lyrical references I can leverage. To me a good title needs to "indicate", but not be absolute. It needs to "point the way" but also be open to a listener's own experience and the visual experience that comes alive as s/he hears the music. Anyway, that's what I try to do. Others have to tell me if I'm doing a good job. David Kirkdorffer http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 1 20:03:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5201uM17158; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:01:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:01:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:00:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Eleven Eyes California Tour From: David Trenkel To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5F026206-D2F9-11D9-ADD9-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo, looping people, My band Eleven Eyes is doing an Oregon/California tour in the next few weeks, and would love to meet some more of you at our shows. In the past, I've been kind of hesitant to use LD to pump our shows, even though I think most of the list would at least find us interesting, we're not really a looping band. But that's changing, we're starting to include looping via Ableton Live into our sets. The band is a 6-piece avant jazz/funk/hip-hop/electronic kind of thing, we've been described, with IMHO a bit of hyperbole, as The Mahavishnu Orchestra meets DJ Shadow, those are pretty good reference points even if we're not quite at that level. We're touring in support of our new CD Scope, which will be available at CDBaby any day now. Or, you can get information at http://www.eleveneyes.org, which, however, is down for maintenance for the next day or so. You can check out our schedule at JamBase, http://www.jambase.com/search.asp?bandID=16153 Anyway, the dates are: Friday, 6/3: The Shedd Institute, Eugene, OR, 2 shows, all-ages at 6:30, 21+ at 9 Saturday, 6/4: Squirrels Tavern, Corvallis, OR Tuesday, 6/7: Six Rivers Brewery, McKinkeyville, CA Wednesday, 6/8: Caspar Inn, Caspar, CA Thursday, 6/9: The Last Day Saloon, San Francisco, with Grand Groovement Friday, 6/10: The Jupiter, Berkeley Saturday, 6/11: Sweet Springs Saloon, San Luis Obispo Sunday, 6/12: off, but we may try to attend the 2nd Sunday looping show in Santa Cruz Monday, 6/13: The Bistro, Hayward CA Wednesday, 6/15: The Divided Sky, South Lake Tahoe, CA Thursday, 6/16: The Martini Ranch, Encinitas, CA Friday, 6/17: El Cid, Silverlake, Los Angeles The band is: Tim McLaughlin: trumpet, laptop, fx Matt Calkins: saxes, fx Mike Pardew: guitar Dave Trenkel: bass, keyboards, laptop Steve Weems: drums JD Monroe, AKA The Turntable Enabler: turntables, samples, live processing, percussion From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 01:05:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5254Gj18228; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Drummachine? Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:03:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c56730$5ea4ffd0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j5251sx17957 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find the MC505 somehow hard to work with UI-wise. I also don't like its sounds as a solo drum source, but they fit in well with acoustic drum samples. Of the two HW drum machines I still own, I preferer the Quasimidi Sirius. Its sounds are somehow limited to an Elektro spectrum (but these are excellent), and its editing capabilities are more limited than those of the Rolan, but it's very intuitive to work with. I used to own a Yamaha SU700 and it had the coolest HW sequencer ever. So you might look for other Yamaha products (R something). The Electribes always looked like toys to me (which may or may not be what you like). Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2005 21:19 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Drummachine? Hey I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work with, although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I find myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital Performer than for it's sequencing. I'm hoping to find something that's more user friendly and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK to learn yet deep and good sounding. What are people using with success? On my list are the Korg Electribe EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one but I'm leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland MC-505. (I miss my 307!) I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's MIDI sync awaits your messages... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 01:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j525KjP19950; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:20:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:20:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <53.28bf886c.2fcff107@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:20:07 EDT Subject: Re: Re: coming up with titles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1117689607" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1117689607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find that keeping a journal of possible titles works well for me. I write possible titles down as I am driving around. I write titles down as I come across something on the net etc. Anything may have title possibility, I just jot it down. I may not necessarily use them, it just gives me a library to choose from. Sometimes it is just something that someone says. It is amazing how this technique allows titles to come forth that work with the music. Kenny -------------------------------1117689607 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 -------------------------------1117689607-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 04:16:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j528Em804399; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Drummachine? Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:13:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Elektron Machinedrum is a lot of fun though it is expensive and won't do triplets. Mark On Jun 1, 2005, at 12:19 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey > > I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work with, > although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and > soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I find > myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital > Performer than for it's sequencing. > > I'm hoping to find something that's more user friendly > and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK to > learn yet deep and good sounding. What are people > using with success? On my list are the Korg Electribe > EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one but I'm > leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland MC-505. > (I miss my 307!) > > I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's MIDI > sync awaits your messages... > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 07:44:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52Bhmx24849; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:43:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429EF0BE.5010600@web.de> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:42:54 +0200 From: John Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050317 Thunderbird/1.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drummachine? References: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: holzkoppwayne@web.de X-Sender: holzkoppwayne@web.de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I own a Korg Electribe S MKII and love it! Really easy to learn and use, small in size, good fx and smart media slot. (you can even copy .wav files directly onto the card and load them into the Electribe) Best to use it as drum sampler because the memory is about 3 MB only. For sequencing I use the Yamaha RM1x which is cheap (about 300 EUR) but a bit more complicated. Additionally it has a synthesizer with effect unit onboard. No killer sounds but you'll always find something interesting. The Yamaha RS-7000 is the follow-up to the RM1x and has increased memory and a sampler onboard. (price about 800 EUR). Scherer mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey > >I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work with, >although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and >soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I find >myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital >Performer than for it's sequencing. > >I'm hoping to find something that's more user friendly >and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK to >learn yet deep and good sounding. What are people >using with success? On my list are the Korg Electribe >EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one but I'm >leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland MC-505. >(I miss my 307!) > >I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's MIDI >sync awaits your messages... > >Mark > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 10:51:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52EaYK10901; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429F191F.7050403@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:35:11 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton live5 will have loop windowing, apparently Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .the feature list looks almost too good to be true. Midi remotable loop start/ end positioning, tasty new effects, arps and vst midi-out... it's getting more live-oriented. http://www.ableton.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 11:52:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52FpKn21137; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <429F191F.7050403@post.cybercity.dk> References: <429F191F.7050403@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton live5 will have loop windowing, apparently Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:49:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <98eDoB.A.OIF.TqynCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 2, 2005, at 16:35, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > .the feature list looks almost too good to be true. > Midi remotable loop start/ end positioning, tasty new effects, arps > and vst midi-out... it's getting more live-oriented. > http://www.ableton.com/ Yes. Funnily it's getting both more DAW-oriented and more live- oriented! Damn smart marketing people ;-) If they have done it right this time you won't need Logic or Cubase on the side any more. But until I get my hands on the beta I can't help being a bit sceptic regarding the live-orientation. In the pre-release info they say "The Set buttons, the loop switch, the loop position and other Clip View controls can now be mapped to MIDI controllers to allow for mouse- free loop tweaking using your preferred controller". This does NOT in detail address the long standing wish for external MIDI control of Sample Parameters. I really do hope that the press release's "Clip View controls" include this. If not, it would be a huge bummer. The new effect "Beat Repeat" is looking great! Now we don't have to arrange dozens of audio loop clones as clips with different playback settings and Follow Action random scripting. A built in Supatrigga! And since Beat Repeat is an effect plug-in it can also be used on a live input channel. Well... anyway, if real-time latency does not permit precisely that, you will at least be able to mangle a live- looping delay plug-in with Beat Repeat. Can't wait to check it out! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 12:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52G3pi22394; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:03:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:02:33 -0700 From: kmurphy@wyan.org Subject: Tap-tempo Loopers?/Band use? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Sender-IP: 136.2.1.101 X-Client-ID: UZue7iLO8R6RKBk= X-Mailer: Wyandotte Cable Webmail Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, i am new to this board and can't search for some reason so sorry if this question has been asked. I am new to looping but really turned on by it. I am trying out the Boss RC-20 for a GC 30 day-er, I know that if I stick with the Boss I'm going to get the XL-20 for the undo/redo features and inc./dec. features but figured i'll practice with this while i've got it. For the most part I really dig the box however while practicing with it to some recorded rehearsal tracks with our drummer and bass player i found that i can not adjust the tempo until i save the track?? has anyone found any work arounds for this? Creative wiring of a footpedal/modification? It seems to me that a lot of the looping information focuses more on solo uses, i am really trying to get a handle on using it with a live drummer/rock situation. Seems essential that you be able to vary the tempo on the fly. your experiences are much appreciated. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 13:08:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52H5lX29709; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1117731756!16754419!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A10A@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Drummachine? Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:03:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C56795.09320BF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56795.09320BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>The Electribes always looked like toys to me (which may or may not be what you like).<< they may look like toys but they're pretty good vfm. also, they have some interesting quirks (as most korg boxes do). I have the three first generation electribes &, while I tired of the noises in the synth & the drum machine (they can be a bit one-trick-ey), the sampler is never out of our live rig now. I load the flash card with wavs using my pc sometimes; you have to do a bit odf trial & error to get the sample rate/default pitch correct. but once the sample's in the electribe.... wow. obviously this thing isn't an akai/linn/command station, but for me it had exactly the right combination of functionality, simplicity of operation, flashing lights, tweaky things.... it plays samples without being full of hard-drive or expansive menus & processing. it has basic stomp-box-type effects, + a generic stereo delay which locks to the tempo but is also freely adjustable between divide ratios. this last on it's own should be in a box & on sale. I use mine as a master clock for the entire rig because it has a nice big tap-tempo button & readout, & changes tempo quite elegantly. also- haven't managed to break it yet. some knobs have fallen off because I don't put it in a gig-bag like I otter. as ever, ymmv. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>The Electribes always looked like toys to me (whi= ch may or may not be what you like).<<

they may look like toys but they're pretty good vfm. also= , they have some interesting quirks (as most korg boxes do). I have the thr= ee first generation electribes &, while I tired of the noises in the sy= nth & the drum machine (they can be a bit one-trick-ey), the sampler is= never out of our live rig now. I load the flash card with wavs using my pc= sometimes; you have to do a bit odf trial & error to get the sample ra= te/default pitch correct.

but once the sample's in the electribe.... wow.

obviously this thing isn't an akai/linn/command station, = but for me it had exactly the right combination of functionality, simplicit= y of operation, flashing lights, tweaky things.... it plays samples without= being full of hard-drive or expansive menus & processing. it has basic= stomp-box-type effects, + a generic stereo delay which locks to the tempo = but is also freely adjustable between divide ratios. this last on it's own = should be in a box & on sale.

I use mine as a master clock for the entire rig because i= t has a nice big tap-tempo button & readout, & changes tempo quite = elegantly.

also- haven't managed to break it yet. some knobs have fa= llen off because I don't put it in a gig-bag like I otter.

as ever, ymmv.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C56795.09320BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 13:31:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52HTQT32688; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:29:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:29:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050602172757.84225.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Drummachine? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I will try that Electribe. So many swear by it, and as it is a sampler it won't duplicate anything in my studio. I tried an SP-303 a while ago and didn't like it... I wanted to be able to manipulate the sample as one would do with a vinyl record... so I use a Numark CDX now (great piece of kit) but I digress... Mostly I want something that's intuitive to work with. When I had my Roland MC-307 I was really prolific in the beat dept. Upon getting an E-MU Planetearth module, I was in love with the sound (thanks Mark Hamburg!) so I ditched the 307 for the E-MU XL-7. Don't get me wrong, in some ways the XL-7 is brilliant and I'd recommend it. It's cheap and VERY powerful with tons of expansion capability. (It now houses the ROM from my Planetearth) but in some ways it's very frustraiting... especially when dealing with it's effects section. It reminds me a tiny bit of my first sequencer, a retarded device made by Brother. It did a lot, but was so badly designed it was almost impossible to do anything with it. I hate when gear is trying to be all things to all people and while you're making be one thing to you, you feel like you are fighting it. In the end I'll trade off some sound quality and features for something intuitive any day. I think that's why I love the Repeater as well. I've owned EDPs and never liked them. The interface never really inspired me. Mark --- John Wayne wrote: > Mark, > > I own a Korg Electribe S MKII and love it! Really > easy to learn and use, > small in size, good fx and smart media slot. (you > can even copy .wav > files directly onto the card and load them into the > Electribe) > Best to use it as drum sampler because the memory is > about 3 MB only. > > For sequencing I use the Yamaha RM1x which is cheap > (about 300 EUR) but > a bit more complicated. Additionally it has a > synthesizer with effect > unit onboard. No killer sounds but you'll always > find something > interesting. > The Yamaha RS-7000 is the follow-up to the RM1x and > has increased memory > and a sampler onboard. (price about 800 EUR). > > > Scherer > > > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > >Hey > > > >I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work with, > >although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and > >soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I find > >myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital > >Performer than for it's sequencing. > > > >I'm hoping to find something that's more user > friendly > >and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK to > >learn yet deep and good sounding. What are people > >using with success? On my list are the Korg > Electribe > >EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one but > I'm > >leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland > MC-505. > >(I miss my 307!) > > > >I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's > MIDI > >sync awaits your messages... > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 14:10:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52I7LS04954; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Darren Nelsen Subject: Re: Tap-tempo Loopers?/Band use? Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:05:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you can do this with the RC-20XL, which I just began using myself. I'll have to double check, but I think you can change the tempo on the fly without having to commit the current loop to memory. I'll let you know next time I work with it. On Jun 2, 2005, at 12:02 PM, kmurphy@wyan.org wrote: > hello, i am new to this board and can't search for some reason so sorry > if this question has been asked. > > I am new to looping but really turned on by it. I am trying out the > Boss RC-20 for a GC 30 day-er, I know that if I stick with the Boss I'm > going to get the XL-20 for the undo/redo features and inc./dec. > features but figured i'll practice with this while i've got it. > > For the most part I really dig the box however while practicing with it > to some recorded rehearsal tracks with our drummer and bass player i > found that i can not adjust the tempo until i save the track?? has > anyone found any work arounds for this? Creative wiring of a > footpedal/modification? It seems to me that a lot of the looping > information focuses more on solo uses, i am really trying to get a > handle on using it with a live drummer/rock situation. Seems essential > that you be able to vary the tempo on the fly. your experiences are > much appreciated. > > Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 14:15:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52IDu405855; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:13:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:13:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Qr8pUMHsAJy7Chzo03gNgjV49AxqyZXk09hB5AkHRu9/cV5ZEbQwX55rMHDVDzTdjYQyIIuVSbhL12yiNBeek5rz2hHtx0wMjaMnGWM7BxrfZ7rAWYWKuivqnDJtal+8vP9QqVBEyQmaPz+CBozdUZ6KSVqScsX1Sc1SxYTyThc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:13:19 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Menomena Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j52IDJx05621 Resent-Message-ID: <0xZOGB.A.GYB.Ax0nCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The latest issue of Tape Op is out with an interesting interview with Menomena. They talk about a looping application (Deeler) they created using Max/MSP and how they use it to write music live and on the spot - its pretty interesting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 14:22:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52IKgJ06468; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tv8Nsl3WAXPRRwfFwHGY1/x0ZgJmPNpOpzn3waJ8Bh6NqWlMIrfBMdzIRJNmhh76KjHh64FnCBx7WItp1GGYoFieQG10sJ2cggWrBNtH9XZSdwRRn1UbLrkm+z8HcNM//bY3q8+n+EJYEZhpCiFXtMHQePrjYfEJAsr+zCv3Tog= Message-ID: <588ce11d05060211197d362b57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:19:25 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Joey Subject: Re: Menomena Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j52IJRx06310 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read that article, and I expected it would generate more discussion about the "looping as a compositional tool" approach and the specific software they are using. Anyone know if that Max/MSP patch can be download? On 6/2/05, Joey wrote: > The latest issue of Tape Op is out with an interesting interview with > Menomena. They talk about a looping application (Deeler) they created > using Max/MSP and how they use it to write music live and on the spot > - its pretty interesting. > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 14:23:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52IMTx06909; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WSC0KkrG3Z+7uNAR94jbYXU4XMe+w3S2PGVr0uC2HlL1DJ7EohNA/kbaVMj5k+TP3aCLp6v0NgcOLGvJBrmB4+Mya0YOQEF1XhDh7a/zc+G0EeY0ouY8xGfdk4tpD3J+cO5hTho9T2ib0Dd18eMnusH3Fm4vhg9pQYKszcq+CNs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:21:58 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Art Simon , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Menomena In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d05060211197d362b57@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j52ILwx06713 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woops - forgot the link. http://www.cycling74.com/products/dlmaxmsp.html On 6/2/05, Joey wrote: > On 6/2/05, Art Simon wrote: > > I read that article, and I expected it would generate more discussion > > about the "looping as a compositional tool" approach and the specific > > software they are using. Anyone know if that Max/MSP patch can be > > download? > > > > On 6/2/05, Joey wrote: > > > The latest issue of Tape Op is out with an interesting interview with > > > Menomena. They talk about a looping application (Deeler) they created > > > using Max/MSP and how they use it to write music live and on the spot > > > - its pretty interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Art Simon > > simart@null.net > > http://art.simon.tripod.com > > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 14:23:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52IMnl07028; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WrG4311I+dnoFtemhzRueY0KivAKPW93jOg3GWRQjIiPqbkjfIliMz36EBkyo7cyAg7imO3zOcb90fHYDcrNnJGFJvHDAxYbDIVFMe5kdKDNdMGaMpngE3zqw7h+duydLEKk7g9kpkrmcndQf1KEdF2PXr5CUdj6Z3IV6oPurRo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:21:32 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Art Simon , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Menomena In-Reply-To: <588ce11d05060211197d362b57@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d05060211197d362b57@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j52ILWx06627 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 6/2/05, Art Simon wrote: > I read that article, and I expected it would generate more discussion > about the "looping as a compositional tool" approach and the specific > software they are using. Anyone know if that Max/MSP patch can be > download? > > On 6/2/05, Joey wrote: > > The latest issue of Tape Op is out with an interesting interview with > > Menomena. They talk about a looping application (Deeler) they created > > using Max/MSP and how they use it to write music live and on the spot > > - its pretty interesting. > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 14:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52IYdZ08659; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 5.536802 secs Process 37949) Message-ID: <49738.213.100.44.49.1117737245.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <20050602172757.84225.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050602172757.84225.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Drummachine? From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think the electribe is a great toy - the gameboy of the musician. unfortunately there is no way to sample live with it. also i find the groove/quantize fonctions disturbing: not possible to turn them off. but very intuitive! stéphane > I think I will try that Electribe. So many swear by > it, and as it is a sampler it won't duplicate anything > in my studio. I tried an SP-303 a while ago and > didn't like it... I wanted to be able to manipulate > the sample as one would do with a vinyl record... so I > use a Numark CDX now (great piece of kit) > > but I digress... > > Mostly I want something that's intuitive to work with. > When I had my Roland MC-307 I was really prolific in > the beat dept. Upon getting an E-MU Planetearth > module, I was in love with the sound (thanks Mark > Hamburg!) so I ditched the 307 for the E-MU XL-7. > > Don't get me wrong, in some ways the XL-7 is brilliant > and I'd recommend it. It's cheap and VERY powerful > with tons of expansion capability. (It now houses the > ROM from my Planetearth) but in some ways it's very > frustraiting... especially when dealing with it's > effects section. It reminds me a tiny bit of my first > sequencer, a retarded device made by Brother. It did > a lot, but was so badly designed it was almost > impossible to do anything with it. I hate when gear > is trying to be all things to all people and while > you're making be one thing to you, you feel like you > are fighting it. In the end I'll trade off some sound > quality and features for something intuitive any day. > I think that's why I love the Repeater as well. I've > owned EDPs and never liked them. The interface never > really inspired me. > > Mark > > --- John Wayne wrote: >> Mark, >> >> I own a Korg Electribe S MKII and love it! Really >> easy to learn and use, >> small in size, good fx and smart media slot. (you >> can even copy .wav >> files directly onto the card and load them into the >> Electribe) >> Best to use it as drum sampler because the memory is >> about 3 MB only. >> >> For sequencing I use the Yamaha RM1x which is cheap >> (about 300 EUR) but >> a bit more complicated. Additionally it has a >> synthesizer with effect >> unit onboard. No killer sounds but you'll always >> find something >> interesting. >> The Yamaha RS-7000 is the follow-up to the RM1x and >> has increased memory >> and a sampler onboard. (price about 800 EUR). >> >> >> Scherer >> >> >> >> mark sottilaro wrote: >> >> >Hey >> > >> >I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work with, >> >although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and >> >soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I find >> >myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital >> >Performer than for it's sequencing. >> > >> >I'm hoping to find something that's more user >> friendly >> >and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK to >> >learn yet deep and good sounding. What are people >> >using with success? On my list are the Korg >> Electribe >> >EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one but >> I'm >> >leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland >> MC-505. >> >(I miss my 307!) >> > >> >I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's >> MIDI >> >sync awaits your messages... >> > >> >Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 14:39:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52IcGR09205; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:38:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:38:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.516825 secs Process 38392) Message-ID: <49744.213.100.44.49.1117737445.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <410-2200564213639370@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200564213639370@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: coming up with titles From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1LrsC.A.lMC.rH1nCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com exactly. you inverse the process and start feeling inspired by the titles themselves! it happens to me too stéphane > I do that, too...sometimes the unused titles become song germs themselves! > ~Tim M > > >> [Original Message] >> From: obadia >> To: >> Date: 6/1/2005 3:16:20 AM >> Subject: Re: coming up with titles >> >> hi John, >> each times i think about a good title, i write it down. could be while >> reading, talking, falling asleep, watching a movie, etc. i've been doing >> this for years now and i'm starting to have quite an impressive >> collection >> - hundreds of titles :) fun. when i finish a record i browse them. they >> are not always fitting but often there do. i think preoccupations one >> have >> are somehow connected from a media to another. >> >> stéphane >> >> >> > How do you do it? I think I put way to much >> > importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you >> > and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece >> > over and over and draw a blank. And now looking at my >> > titles I am not sure I am happy with any of them. >> > Also updated my music recently so if anyone wants to >> > check it out (and suggest titles even!) then feel >> > free: >> > > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=_music&bandid=314378&ba > ndnamesave=johncorbett >> > >> > John >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >> > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Discover Yahoo! >> > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it >> out! >> > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 15:00:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52Iw4t11875; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:58:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:58:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IIluMXsnyRIOdsIOi8r+27OfyDMB/RUqB2liNUID3fDSUt9EDSyuubLTYDX1RplikWjVV02XY31wQPqlFRLIjYwo+yDR4Fm/yNuQrT0rtIlJojowVhGdE3r1cUzXPJgyNjoS19XzNoT4l5dgCCi57n7V3IBQOdieNLnkqdS2BKA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0506021157cbb37f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:57:13 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Joey Subject: Re: Menomena Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d05060211197d362b57@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j52IvEx11523 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the link, but I was thinking of the particular Max/MSP patch in the article--sorry if I was vague. On 6/2/05, Joey wrote: > woops - forgot the link. > > > http://www.cycling74.com/products/dlmaxmsp.html > > On 6/2/05, Joey wrote: > > On 6/2/05, Art Simon wrote: > > > I read that article, and I expected it would generate more discussion > > > about the "looping as a compositional tool" approach and the specific > > > software they are using. Anyone know if that Max/MSP patch can be > > > download? > > > > > > On 6/2/05, Joey wrote: > > > > The latest issue of Tape Op is out with an interesting interview with > > > > Menomena. They talk about a looping application (Deeler) they created > > > > using Max/MSP and how they use it to write music live and on the spot > > > > - its pretty interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Art Simon > > > simart@null.net > > > http://art.simon.tripod.com > > > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 15:27:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52JQ1i16879; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:25:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Drummachine? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A10A@lon-oxmail02> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <7H_cX.A.jGE.k01nCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using an old ER-1 as a tap tempo clock source and to sequence MIDI commands to one of the EDPs. Sequencing HSP/FSP is a good one. I can also use the sound buttons on the ER-1 as extra MIDI buttons. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk >>> The Electribes always looked like toys to me (which may or may not be what >>> you like).<< > > they may look like toys but they're pretty good vfm. also, they have some > interesting quirks (as most korg boxes do). I have the three first generation > electribes &, while I tired of the noises in the synth & the drum machine > (they can be a bit one-trick-ey), the sampler is never out of our live rig > now. I load the flash card with wavs using my pc sometimes; you have to do a > bit odf trial & error to get the sample rate/default pitch correct. > > but once the sample's in the electribe.... wow. > > obviously this thing isn't an akai/linn/command station, but for me it had > exactly the right combination of functionality, simplicity of operation, > flashing lights, tweaky things.... it plays samples without being full of > hard-drive or expansive menus & processing. it has basic stomp-box-type > effects, + a generic stereo delay which locks to the tempo but is also freely > adjustable between divide ratios. this last on it's own should be in a box & > on sale. > > I use mine as a master clock for the entire rig because it has a nice big > tap-tempo button & readout, & changes tempo quite elegantly. > > also- haven't managed to break it yet. some knobs have fallen off because I > don't put it in a gig-bag like I otter. > > as ever, ymmv. > > duncan/r.m.i. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 15:35:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52JXHD17679; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Jun 2005 19:32:39 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail From: "joe rut" To: obadia@clumsybeats.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:32:39 -0500 Subject: Re: coming up with titles X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050602193239.29D19C610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j52JWkx17609 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah! Starting with the title can be great fun. I belong to a lodge of the Immersion Composition Society, an Oakland based group committed to QUANTITY songwriting. Once a month or so everyone in the group writes and records as many songs as they can in one day. We all meet later in the evening and listen to what each other has done that day. We often start by throwing song titles around via email for a few days prior, so sometimes 7 people will show up with different songs with the same titles. For instrumental music, I find that an interesting title can actually change the context of the music significantly. I actually got into Frank Zappa from reading some of the titles on an album. I think he was a marketing genius as well as a musical genius. The humor in his titles gave a different meaning to the instrumental songs than if they had been titled "Instrumental 4 for Electric Band" or something. He was actually selling/marketing his personality as much as he was selling the actual music on the disc. Hey, as long as it gets someone to listen to the music, right? David Byrne said (paraphrased): "Words are there to make people listen to music for longer than they would otherwise". I think the same can be said for creating a context for a piece of music with a title. Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: obadia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: coming up with titles Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:37:25 +0200 (CEST) > > exactly. you inverse the process and start feeling inspired by the titles > themselves! > it happens to me too > > stéphane > > > > > I do that, too...sometimes the unused titles become song germs themselves! > > ~Tim M > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: obadia > >> To: > >> Date: 6/1/2005 3:16:20 AM > >> Subject: Re: coming up with titles > >> > >> hi John, > >> each times i think about a good title, i write it down. could be while > >> reading, talking, falling asleep, watching a movie, etc. i've been doing > >> this for years now and i'm starting to have quite an impressive > >> collection > >> - hundreds of titles :) fun. when i finish a record i browse them. they > >> are not always fitting but often there do. i think preoccupations one > >> have > >> are somehow connected from a media to another. > >> > >> stéphane > >> > >> > >> > How do you do it? I think I put way to much > >> > importance on this. Sometimes something just hits you > >> > and that's it but most of the time I listen to a piece > >> > over and over and draw a blank. And now looking at my > >> > titles I am not sure I am happy with any of them. > >> > Also updated my music recently so if anyone wants to > >> > check it out (and suggest titles even!) then feel > >> > free: > >> > > > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=_music&bandid=314378&ba > > ndnamesave=johncorbett > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > >> > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Discover Yahoo! > >> > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it > >> out! > >> > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 15:57:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52JuT721305; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:56:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:56:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Menomena Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:55:45 +0000 Message-Id: <060220051955.3188.429F644100089D3200000C7421979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 8 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Menomena (Beep beeeeee bee dee bee) Menomena (Beep bee deep bee) Menomena (Beep beeeeee bee dee bee bee dee bee bee dee bee bee dee bee dede deet deet deeeeee deee) Y'know, like on Sesame Street? Sorry, it's been a long day. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 16:08:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52K7P724170; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050602160607.5h09udcjfl7kg8c4@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:06:07 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Menomena References: <060220051955.3188.429F644100089D3200000C7421979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <060220051955.3188.429F644100089D3200000C7421979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You sang it but I'm sure I wasn't the only one other than you singin' it!! ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting mwsmart@insightbb.com: > > > > Menomena (Beep beeeeee bee dee bee) > Menomena (Beep bee deep bee) > Menomena (Beep beeeeee bee dee bee > bee dee bee > bee dee bee > bee dee bee dede > deet deet deeeeee deee) > > Y'know, like on Sesame Street? > Sorry, it's been a long day. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 16:30:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52KTqv27525; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:29:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:29:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c567b1$a6d50da0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: l()()p.p()()l at the Luggage Store in SF tonight! Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:28:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <4D6kgB.A.NrG.2v2nCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com l()()p.p()()l performs at the Luggage Store tonight (thursday) I will be performng at the Luggage Store in San Francisco (1007 Market Street) this evening if there are any SF loopers who are interested in doing something fun at the last minute. The Luggage Store is the longest running experimental music series in San Francisco and it will be my first headlining gig there. The show starts at 8 p.m. with a fascinating group, Eddy the Rat* I will go on around 9 p.m. and am challenging myself by doing a show with found and invented instruments that I mostly played yet, including my brand new 'doorstopaphone' that my father just made for me while I was on tour in Japan. I'm really inspired after this trip and really looking forward to the performance. I hope you can make it. Big thanks to list member and Luggage Store curator, Matt Davignon for having the faith in me and booking me at this prestigious venue. Rick Walker aka l()()p.p()()l *************************** *Eddie the Rat are a no-field experimental orchestra. They incorporate elements of Indonesian gamelan, experimental and electronic music, and a fusion of American styles of music. Their performances incorporate cyclical-patterns (many times conducted as an on-the fly cut 'n paste session) played against each other in musical arrangements. Eddie the Rat has CD releases on San Franciscoâ?Ts Entarte Kunst label and Negativlandâ?Ts Seeland label. www.eddietherat.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 16:52:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52KqCI31409; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:52:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f401c567b4$e299c670$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Ableton's LIVE 5.0 and First Loop Capability Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:51:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it impossible for Ableton's LIVE to have the simplest First Loop Capability that the Line 6 DL 4 or Boss Loopstation have: you know, you hit a button, record a loop and truncate it when you feel like it and then sync the remainder of your loops to it like a Repeater does? Am I just being naive or is there some reason why this feature is not included so far. I suspect there may be some physical reason why this would be hard to do. It's the single reason why I haven't jumped on the LIVE bandwagon. Man it would make touring in other countries so much simpler and I hate to be locked into a predetermined tempo as it now stands. I pulled my arm out again lugging my heavy rack case through Japan last week. I'd love to go software if it's at all possible to duplicate what I can do in hardware? Elucidate me, please? Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 17:11:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52LAI702869; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <00f401c567b4$e299c670$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00f401c567b4$e299c670$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton's LIVE 5.0 and First Loop Capability Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:55:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 2, 2005, at 22:51, loop.pool wrote: > Is it impossible for Ableton's LIVE to have > the simplest First Loop Capability that the Line 6 DL 4 or Boss > Loopstation have: > you know, you hit a button, record a loop and truncate it when > you feel like it and then sync the remainder of > your loops to it like a Repeater does? Dear Rick, Yes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 17:13:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j52LCt103285; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:12:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:12:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <00f401c567b4$e299c670$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00f401c567b4$e299c670$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4601C1E0-66E3-49B3-BEC6-0B2A4661A6E9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton's LIVE 5.0 and First Loop Capability Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:12:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, I just posted the short answer. Here comes the little longer answer: On Jun 2, 2005, at 22:51, loop.pool wrote: > I suspect there may be some physical reason why this would be hard > to do. To start Live in slave sync mode you need to send it MIDI Clock. Now, unfortunately Live uses some kind of smoothing of the incoming MIDI clock tempo which makes it a Really Bad Slave (!) This thread going at the Live forum can give some more information: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11557&highlight=smoothing +midi+clock+sync > It's the single reason why I haven't jumped on the LIVE bandwagon. > Man it would make touring > in other countries so much simpler and I hate to be locked into a > predetermined tempo as it now stands. If you run Live as the clock master you can map a midi button/pedal to the TAp Tempo function. Step four times on the button and kick in the recording on the fifth - will start in the same tempo as your tap kicking/counting in. > I pulled my arm out again lugging my heavy rack case through Japan > last week. I'd love to go software if it's at all possible to > duplicate what I can do in hardware? I've been playing around with only a Powerbook lately but when I spotted a TC FireworX on a hellish price cut last week I bought it immediately fell into all kinds of Hardware Excesses. I'm now fiddling with the Fireworx, an analog filter bank, an EDP, a FCB pedal, a Faderfox LV-1 and the Powerbook. Well... just couldn't stay clean any longer. Had to get some analog dirt into my system. Oh.... almost forgot the RNC (Really Nice Compressor) and the digital send/return TOS-link between the Powerbook and the FireworX. Don't know if this rig is "portable", but at least my bag is red and have wheels. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 20:02:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5300WY28097; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:00:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:00:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=auTgM3DDLuI1mW5mbGg4oLfzulzX5ASsRcu0ahALnYrbJClu2Mcwz3MXeqxhGyANFApP/TJFxUQHMEvCr8ixwf7Nga3w7WX4PwkGmMZBwoc+6+oT1TgIakcl0sV2xJcVp/wd3aLz2TQiYsbTeioytSvHhElycyMeTi7LVIn2xq0= ; Message-ID: <20050602235944.81929.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: RE: Loops on MySpace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-788213856-1117756784=:81411" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-788213856-1117756784=:81411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit good beeps & boops, huh? Awesome! Michael Peters wrote:wow, cool sounding loops Louis! remind me of Torn's Tonal Textures which I love so much. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis Rossi [mailto:tarbit@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Loops on MySpace > > > Hey there. > > I just put some of my stuff on MySpace. It is not recent work but > hopefully > I will have some new things to share by summer > > Cheers > Lou > > www.myspace.com/lourossi > --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! --0-788213856-1117756784=:81411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
good beeps & boops, huh? Awesome!

Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
wow, cool sounding loops Louis! remind me of Torn's Tonal Textures which I
love so much.

-Michael www.michaelpeters.de



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Rossi [mailto:tarbit@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:47 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Loops on MySpace
>
>
> Hey there.
>
> I just put some of my stuff on MySpace. It is not recent work but
> hopefully
> I will have some new things to share by summer
>
> Cheers
> Lou
>
> www.myspace.com/lourossi
>


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Check it out! --0-788213856-1117756784=:81411-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 2 21:54:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j531p2O09874; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3d6766037ac2c0d8ef6ae1d063729a37@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: FS: JAMMAN 220 Volt ADAPTER Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:50:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello - For all you traveling and/or hands-free loopers... I have a JamMan 220 Volt Adapter that I'm not using. $25 + $5 for USA Shipping. JamMan Footswitch with Cable $25 + $5 for USA Shipping. Best Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 07:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53B1X411449; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:01:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:01:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c5682b$6f4b1080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: EDP footpedal failure queery Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 04:00:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary footpedal suddenly wouldn't work at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. I limped through the set using face plate buttons but I'm pretty bummed. Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make or is it all the way back to England for this puppy to be functional again? I'm also wondering since three of them in a row suddenly didn't work if maybe there is a short somewhere that is knocking all three out. Any ideas? I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute. Record still seems to work. Worked like a charm all through my japanese tour. worried, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 07:09:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53B93M12337; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:09:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42A03AC1.6000205@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:10:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #428 for June 2, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050602.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #428 June 2, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on UK emusician Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Sequencer Loops" on AMP Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the soundtrack LP "Ignacio" by Vangelis on EGG Records, released in 1977. I played the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music festival. Details and links are at the EMUSIC events page. I announced the contest to rename EMUSIC. The new deadline for entries is midnight of June 9 during the show. Mark Jenkins - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jun EMUSIC events page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html Rename EMUSIC Contest - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rename.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Vangelis Entends-tu les chiens Ignacio (EGG) aboyer? Diana Behlke Beginnings Rapeseed (Figure XII) Recompas Plasticine Definition (Nophi) Mikronesia track 3 Tissue Paper Ghosts ++ Frank Balestracci Prelude Polaire Existences Invisibles (Carbon 7) VA [Orbital Decay] Analog Daze electro-music 2005 Sampler (electro-music media) The Amaranth Signal Canyon de Chelly Penumbra (none) Wave World Nebulae - An Ambient Cloudseeder (VFR) Symphony 12:00 am Mark Jenkins The Stone Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins A Gift for the Darkness Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins The Slow Cooling of a Sequencer Loops (AMP) Dying Sun Mark Jenkins Weaponised Strain 11966 Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins Peace Machine Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins The Ceremony of Sequencer Loops (AMP) Innocence Mark Jenkins I Can Cause You to Join Sequencer Loops (AMP) in the Rhythmic Dance Mark Jenkins Moving Mirrors Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins The Surge Cloud/ Sequencer Loops (AMP) Pyroclastic Flow Mark Jenkins Las Pampas de Mongolia Sequencer Loops (AMP) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be replaced by Mark Jenkins in person, giving an in-studio concert for the WDIY membership drive. There will be CD thank you gifts suitable for the EMUSIC listening audience for those who pledge at certain membership levels. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Bruits et Temps Analogues" by Patrick Vian on EGG Records, released in 1976. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 07:16:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53BGB913200; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V1mqNZAuW/vb2hvm3NjJaoGVzpTlnUonHHR8nXPnrVUp1fvZikFbdWwVZDXFK3NSW8Cfgac4ON+SyGhkKBYXhP+bMYM2MCk30hmTkiBwSauS7A3Cw0Kc4rNOjg/EiJEmd5uFnYNn0Ob3goSDVM0W4rd5VfaKDQObRdjhTjcWJnE= ; Message-ID: <20050603111542.49211.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 04:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP footpedal failure queery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c5682b$6f4b1080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick brother throw it away and get the FCB1010 you´ll be glad you did! Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary footpedal > suddenly wouldn't work > at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. > > I limped through the set using face plate buttons > but I'm pretty bummed. > > Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make > or is it all the way > back to England for this puppy to > be functional again? > > I'm also wondering since three of them in a row > suddenly didn't work if > maybe there is a short > somewhere that is knocking all three out. Any > ideas? > > I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute. > Record still seems to > work. Worked like a charm all through > my japanese tour. > > worried, Rick Walker > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 08:35:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53CYc424968; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:33:40 +0100 Subject: Re: EDP footpedal failure queery From: jeremy To: , "loop.pool" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c5682b$6f4b1080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, The footpedal is very simple inside. Each switch connects the conductor wire of your connecting lead to the earth conductor through a resistor. (straight to earth for RECORD button) The EDP "scans" the resistor value and executes the appropriate function. Commonest problem is a dirty switch which gives misfires or the wrong command. I use switch cleaner and then with a pencil and blu-tack rotate the switch while pressing lightly. Works for a bit. The other problem is a wire can have fallen off inside. Have a look and resolder anything that looks loose. Which buttons are not working? Best wishes jeremy > > > > Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary footpedal suddenly wouldn't work > at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. > > I limped through the set using face plate buttons but I'm pretty bummed. > > Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make or is it all the way > back to England for this puppy to > be functional again? > > I'm also wondering since three of them in a row suddenly didn't work if > maybe there is a short > somewhere that is knocking all three out. Any ideas? > > I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute. Record still seems to > work. Worked like a charm all through > my japanese tour. > > worried, Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 08:40:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53Ce6r26044; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c56838$eef6dbe0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050603111542.49211.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP footpedal failure queery Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:36:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <5SEtfD.A.fTG.v8EoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why why why ??? just get yourself a bag of replacement switches and solder them in easy fast and so much cheaper http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#replace Claude Rick brother throw it away and get the FCB1010 you´ll be glad you did! Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary footpedal > suddenly wouldn't work > at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. > > I limped through the set using face plate buttons > but I'm pretty bummed. > > Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make > or is it all the way > back to England for this puppy to > be functional again? > > I'm also wondering since three of them in a row > suddenly didn't work if > maybe there is a short > somewhere that is knocking all three out. Any > ideas? > > I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute. > Record still seems to > work. Worked like a charm all through > my japanese tour. > > worried, Rick Walker > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 08:49:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53CnFP27931; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:48:47 +0100 Subject: Re: EDP footpedal failure queery From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050603111542.49211.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j53Cmox27852 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I still use my EDP footpedals alongside a MIDI foot controllers for a few reasons: 1. The buttons are always there to be used without having to go to a bank of buttons on the foot controller. Particularly when I am using the the foot controller for other devices. 2. The lightness of touch and the immediate response with EDP buttons aids accurate timing. I can play the MUTE or HSP/FSP function with the ease of tapping a foot. Not so easy with a foot controller style switch. I have to control my Repeater via the MIDI foot controller and by comparison this is less convenient. Consequently the EDPs can be more tightly integrated with realtime performance. As was raised recently in the thread about "software v hardware", controllability is a key issue. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > Rick brother throw it away and get the FCB1010 you´ll > be glad you did! > Luis > > > > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > >> Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary footpedal >> suddenly wouldn't work >> at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. >> >> I limped through the set using face plate buttons >> but I'm pretty bummed. >> >> Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make >> or is it all the way >> back to England for this puppy to >> be functional again? >> >> I'm also wondering since three of them in a row >> suddenly didn't work if >> maybe there is a short >> somewhere that is knocking all three out. Any >> ideas? >> >> I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute. >> Record still seems to >> work. Worked like a charm all through >> my japanese tour. >> >> worried, Rick Walker >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 09:11:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53DARt32634; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oatjuIyGn5G4P+nXyYpMhSCL4WLPAjTPLll83iGXMibP3+56vlWegDlo7/yDDzj7oebzv5nAK14DQHLHXPReN3fwwNAIp5V5O5PyBViX6ENf8WtWT9V0Yvrrda2fidLUKbvYj5l7DzSHeA6a8KxDcqjh+yej2u4ge0N+65eI7fs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 06:09:46 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal failure queery In-Reply-To: <001101c5682b$6f4b1080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001101c5682b$6f4b1080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j53D9px32503 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As others have pointed out, replacing EDP buttons is something the end user can do fairly easily. They're sort of like guitar strings--some people break a lot them, some don't, but eventually they need replacing. I had to do a gig the other day on a borrowed unit (thanks again Phill!) and the overdub wasn't responding which made things a bit more difficult, so I can sympathize. On 6/3/05, loop.pool wrote: > Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary footpedal suddenly wouldn't work > at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. > > I limped through the set using face plate buttons but I'm pretty bummed. > > Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make or is it all the way > back to England for this puppy to > be functional again? > > I'm also wondering since three of them in a row suddenly didn't work if > maybe there is a short > somewhere that is knocking all three out. Any ideas? > > I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute. Record still seems to > work. Worked like a charm all through > my japanese tour. > > worried, Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 09:58:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53DvDC06633; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Menomena Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:54:29 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01007EBE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Menomena thread-index: AcVoQngCXehEYpi1TPCA2Yb+TmxE6AAAEwtw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2005 13:54:30.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3DA7A60:01C56843] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j53DsVx06267 Resent-Message-ID: <5rTcvB.A.SiB.XEGoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the added irrelevance. Oh man, I love this song, Mark! I have three versions of it in MP3 format: the original French version in the 60's/70's, Semese Street vesion, and the Muppet Show Version. If anyone wants them, let me know...I can send. Also, the title is "Mahna Mahna" To add to Mark...it's been a long night of diaper changing and bottle feeding twins for me...zilch for sleep...I'm delirious. My wife and have our own version of this song...same song, but replace Mahna Mahna with "Phenomena". Try it, it will make you laugh. :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Menomena You sang it but I'm sure I wasn't the only one other than you singin' it!! ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting mwsmart@insightbb.com: > > > > Menomena (Beep beeeeee bee dee bee) > Menomena (Beep bee deep bee) > Menomena (Beep beeeeee bee dee bee > bee dee bee > bee dee bee > bee dee bee dede > deet deet deeeeee deee) > > Y'know, like on Sesame Street? > Sorry, it's been a long day. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 10:33:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53EWw713266; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.3d976293.2fd1c3d2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:31:46 EDT Subject: Re: EDP footpedal failure queery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.3d976293.2fd1c3d2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e0.3d976293.2fd1c3d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick ol' buddy ol' pal, Order up some replacement switches from Mouser Electronics and warm up your soldering iron. Mouser carries the exact same little red buggars and (if you buy 'em in bulk --- bag of 20 or so) they only cost around twentysomething cents each. They are super easy to replace. If an idiot like me can do it, just about anybody can. As for the FCB1010, I too plan to get one of those . . . someday. There's a lot of cool advanved stuff it'll allow one to do that's not=20 as readily accessable from the EFC7. But for now, I'll just keep r eplacing those footpedal switches from time to time. It's cheaper. If an FCB1010 breaks what ya gonna do? In a message dated 06/03/05 4:01:43, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary footpedal suddenly wouldn't work > at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. >=20 > I limped through the set using face plate buttons but I'm pretty bummed. >=20 > Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make or is it all the way > back to England for this puppy to > be functional again? >=20 > I'm also wondering since three of them in a row suddenly didn't work if > maybe there is a short > somewhere that is knocking all three out.=A0 Any ideas? >=20 > I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute.=A0=A0 Record still seems=20= to > work.=A0 Worked like a charm all through > my japanese tour. >=20 > worried,=A0=A0 Rick Walker >=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1e0.3d976293.2fd1c3d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick ol' buddy ol' pal,

Order up some replacement switches from Mouser Electronics and
warm up your soldering iron. Mouser carries the exact same little
red buggars and (if you buy 'em in bulk --- bag of 20 or so) they only
cost around twentysomething cents each. They are super easy
to replace. If an idiot like me can do it, just about anybody can.

As for the FCB1010, I too plan to get one of those  . . .  somed= ay.
There's a lot of cool advanved stuff it'll allow one to do that's not
as readily accessable from the EFC7. But for now, I'll just keep r
eplacing those footpedal switches from time to time. It's cheaper.
If an FCB1010 breaks what ya gonna do?

In a message dated 06/03/05 4:01:43, looppool@cruzio.com writes:

Three of my buttons on= my EDP proprietary footpedal suddenly wouldn't work
at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight.

I limped through the set using face plate buttons but I'm pretty bummed.

Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to make or is it all the way back to England for this puppy to
be functional again?

I'm also wondering since three of them in a row suddenly didn't work if
maybe there is a short
somewhere that is knocking all three out.=A0 Any ideas?

I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute.=A0=A0 Record still seems to=
work.=A0 Worked like a charm all through
my japanese tour.

worried,=A0=A0 Rick Walker

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1e0.3d976293.2fd1c3d2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 12:16:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53GEPR29121; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050603165618.02dd9880@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:10:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Ableton's LIVE 5.0 and First Loop Capability In-Reply-To: <200506031240.j53Cemn26256@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200506031240.j53Cemn26256@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is it impossible for Ableton's LIVE to have >the simplest First Loop Capability that the Line 6 DL 4 or Boss >Loopstation have: >you know, you hit a button, record a loop and truncate it when you feel >like it and then sync the remainder of >your loops to it like a Repeater does? > >Am I just being naive or is there some reason why this feature is not >included so far. hi Rick, Be careful, you risk incurring the wrath of the bar line police here. Since the 80's it's been known to all that musical phrases should start at the beginning of the bar, and that the subsequent notes should be a measurable distance from that start point. Now what would happen if you were allowed to do what you want here? Firstly there's no guarantee that you'll start the looping device exactly on the barline, which means there will be no way of measuring the exact position of any of the notes you play. Worse still, it's likely that music would be played before a pre-determined tempo is set, meaning that unauthorised sounds will be heard without an acceptably defined musical genre. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 12:18:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53GFrZ29271; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:15:18 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Menomena In-reply-to: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01007EBE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42A08216.1090302@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01007EBE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hartung, Kris wrote: > Sorry for the added irrelevance. Oh man, I love this song, Mark! I have > three versions of it in MP3 format: the original French version in the > 60's/70's, Semese Street vesion, and the Muppet Show Version. If anyone > wants them, let me know...I can send. I love this one too, and it has an interesting history. The song was originally written by Italian film composer Piero Umiliani and first appeared on the soundtrack of a 1968 soft-core porn documentary titled "Sweden: Heaven or Hell". According to some reports, the film was banned in Sweden for featuring lesbian nightclubs, nudity, and wife-swapping. Jim Henson himself picked the song for the Muppets because he liked it so much, and he was aware of its origin. Some claim the song was written by French singer Henri Salvador, but his version was released a year after Umiliani's with different lyrics. Umiliani died in 2001. http://www.geocities.com/pieroumiliani/ Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 12:27:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53GQcZ30701; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:26:25 -0600 Message-Id: <200506031626.j53GQPe16443@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Menomena X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I love this one too, and it has an interesting history. The song was > originally written by Italian film composer Piero Umiliani and first > appeared on the soundtrack of a 1968 soft-core porn documentary titled > "Sweden: Heaven or Hell". According to some reports, the film was > banned in Sweden for featuring lesbian nightclubs, nudity, and > wife-swapping. Jim Henson himself picked the song for the Muppets > because he liked it so much, and he was aware of its origin. Yeah, but its really the shaggy freak muppet running into the middle and getting way too carried away with it that makes it the classic it is IMO. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 12:38:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53Gagc32232; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Menomena Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:35:19 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01007F31@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Menomena thread-index: AcVoWQb/xQIYBVoMT/KIdJr/bNB0DwAALRog From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2005 16:35:21.0258 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BFB08A0:01C5685A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j53GZXx32041 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's right...Italian, not French...here is an interesting excerpt on the history. I was confusing this: "In 1969 it was recorded by Henri Salvador under the title "Mais Non, Mais Non", with lyrics he had written in French to Umiliani's tune." And and you'll see in the article, my idea about using "phenomena" has already been used as a parody...should have known, nothing new under the sun.g http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahna_mahna I agree, I have vivid childhood memories of that muppet russhin to the front of the screen...made me laugh histerically every time. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Menomena > I love this one too, and it has an interesting history. The song was > originally written by Italian film composer Piero Umiliani and first > appeared on the soundtrack of a 1968 soft-core porn documentary titled > "Sweden: Heaven or Hell". According to some reports, the film was > banned in Sweden for featuring lesbian nightclubs, nudity, and > wife-swapping. Jim Henson himself picked the song for the Muppets > because he liked it so much, and he was aware of its origin. Yeah, but its really the shaggy freak muppet running into the middle and getting way too carried away with it that makes it the classic it is IMO. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 12:57:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53GumW02564; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42A08BAD.2070708@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:56:13 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Menomena References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01007F31@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01007F31@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW - that Muppet's name is "Mahna Mahna" (see previous post with the Sesame Street title clarified) I love(d) the (old-school) Muppets. Hartung, Kris wrote: >That's right...Italian, not French...here is an interesting excerpt on >the history. I was confusing this: "In 1969 it was recorded by Henri >Salvador under the title "Mais Non, Mais Non", with lyrics he had >written in French to Umiliani's tune." And and you'll see in the >article, my idea about using "phenomena" has already been used as a >parody...should have known, nothing new under the sun.g > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahna_mahna > >I agree, I have vivid childhood memories of that muppet russhin to the >front of the screen...made me laugh histerically every time. > >Kris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:26 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Menomena > > > > >>I love this one too, and it has an interesting history. The song was >>originally written by Italian film composer Piero Umiliani and first >>appeared on the soundtrack of a 1968 soft-core porn documentary titled >>"Sweden: Heaven or Hell". According to some reports, the film was >>banned in Sweden for featuring lesbian nightclubs, nudity, and >>wife-swapping. Jim Henson himself picked the song for the Muppets >>because he liked it so much, and he was aware of its origin. >> >> > >Yeah, but its really the shaggy freak muppet running into the middle and >getting way too carried away with it that makes it the classic it is >IMO. > >Kevin > >How amazing, how amazing! >Hard to comprehend that >Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. >It simply cannot be heard with the ear, >But when sound is heard with the eye, >Then it is understood. >- Tung-shan (807-869) > >Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 13:39:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53HbMj09064; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:37:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050603173647.77910.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Drummachine? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting, I was not aware of that quantizing function. Seems odd. Why would you have a function like that that you can't disable on a modern device? Silly. However, if memory serves, the famous TR-909 also lacked anyway of disabling quantize, but it still became an icon even though it had "toyish" sounds. Funny, at the time I went with a Yamaha drum machine because of it's more realistic sounds... RX-11 (and was cheaper if memory serves) The 909 was only in production for a year and I remember it wasn't really that well received. I think it got more popular when poor inner city kids bought them used or at blow out prices and then figured out how to make them work. Well, the box containing the Electribe ESX-1 sits on the floor of my cubical so there's no turning back... for now. I'm actually excited to have something that trades copious features (E-MU XL-7) for intuitive interface. The older I get the more I embrace the limitations of gear and find it inspiring. Also, the longer I work with drum machines/sequencers the more I want to make them sound like the machines they are. The juxtaposition of machine with traditional instruments really excites me. ... and for those of you who think a gameboy is not a musical instrument, I'd ask you to talk to a former list member and friend Will Wright. Using a program called nanoloop he makes wonderful things. Also, check out the "Gameboy Variations" of Beck's new album. I think they're iTunes store exclusives, but they're more than worth the money. Mark --- obadia wrote: > i think the electribe is a great toy - the gameboy > of the musician. > unfortunately there is no way to sample live with > it. also i find the > groove/quantize fonctions disturbing: not possible > to turn them off. > > but very intuitive! > > stéphane > > > > > I think I will try that Electribe. So many swear > by > > it, and as it is a sampler it won't duplicate > anything > > in my studio. I tried an SP-303 a while ago and > > didn't like it... I wanted to be able to > manipulate > > the sample as one would do with a vinyl record... > so I > > use a Numark CDX now (great piece of kit) > > > > but I digress... > > > > Mostly I want something that's intuitive to work > with. > > When I had my Roland MC-307 I was really prolific > in > > the beat dept. Upon getting an E-MU Planetearth > > module, I was in love with the sound (thanks Mark > > Hamburg!) so I ditched the 307 for the E-MU XL-7. > > > > Don't get me wrong, in some ways the XL-7 is > brilliant > > and I'd recommend it. It's cheap and VERY > powerful > > with tons of expansion capability. (It now houses > the > > ROM from my Planetearth) but in some ways it's > very > > frustraiting... especially when dealing with it's > > effects section. It reminds me a tiny bit of my > first > > sequencer, a retarded device made by Brother. It > did > > a lot, but was so badly designed it was almost > > impossible to do anything with it. I hate when > gear > > is trying to be all things to all people and while > > you're making be one thing to you, you feel like > you > > are fighting it. In the end I'll trade off some > sound > > quality and features for something intuitive any > day. > > I think that's why I love the Repeater as well. > I've > > owned EDPs and never liked them. The interface > never > > really inspired me. > > > > Mark > > > > --- John Wayne wrote: > >> Mark, > >> > >> I own a Korg Electribe S MKII and love it! Really > >> easy to learn and use, > >> small in size, good fx and smart media slot. (you > >> can even copy .wav > >> files directly onto the card and load them into > the > >> Electribe) > >> Best to use it as drum sampler because the memory > is > >> about 3 MB only. > >> > >> For sequencing I use the Yamaha RM1x which is > cheap > >> (about 300 EUR) but > >> a bit more complicated. Additionally it has a > >> synthesizer with effect > >> unit onboard. No killer sounds but you'll always > >> find something > >> interesting. > >> The Yamaha RS-7000 is the follow-up to the RM1x > and > >> has increased memory > >> and a sampler onboard. (price about 800 EUR). > >> > >> > >> Scherer > >> > >> > >> > >> mark sottilaro wrote: > >> > >> >Hey > >> > > >> >I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work > with, > >> >although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and > >> >soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I > find > >> >myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital > >> >Performer than for it's sequencing. > >> > > >> >I'm hoping to find something that's more user > >> friendly > >> >and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK > to > >> >learn yet deep and good sounding. What are > people > >> >using with success? On my list are the Korg > >> Electribe > >> >EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one > but > >> I'm > >> >leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland > >> MC-505. > >> >(I miss my 307!) > >> > > >> >I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's > >> MIDI > >> >sync awaits your messages... > >> > > >> >Mark > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 13:50:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53HnVE10959; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.623931 secs Process 53831) Message-ID: <49223.213.100.44.49.1117820911.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <20050603173647.77910.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050603173647.77910.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Drummachine? From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Interesting, I was not aware of that quantizing > function. Seems odd. Why would you have a function > like that that you can't disable on a modern device? > Silly. > > However, if memory serves, the famous TR-909 also > lacked anyway of disabling quantize, but it still > became an icon even though it had "toyish" sounds. > Funny, at the time I went with a Yamaha drum machine > because of it's more realistic sounds... RX-11 (and > was cheaper if memory serves) The 909 was only in > production for a year and I remember it wasn't really > that well received. I think it got more popular when > poor inner city kids bought them used or at blow out > prices and then figured out how to make them work. > > Well, the box containing the Electribe ESX-1 sits on > the floor of my cubical so there's no turning back... > for now. I'm actually excited to have something that > trades copious features (E-MU XL-7) for intuitive > interface. The older I get the more I embrace the > limitations of gear and find it inspiring. Also, the > longer I work with drum machines/sequencers the more I > want to make them sound like the machines they are. > The juxtaposition of machine with traditional > instruments really excites me. > > ... and for those of you who think a gameboy is not a > musical instrument, I'd ask you to talk to a former > list member and friend Will Wright. Using a program > called nanoloop he makes wonderful things. Also, > check out the "Gameboy Variations" of Beck's new > album. I think they're iTunes store exclusives, but > they're more than worth the money. > > Mark ... a friend of mine created a program to make music with only a gameboy (http://www.littlesounddj.com/) and it goes quite far. stéphane http://www.clumsybeats.org > --- obadia wrote: >> i think the electribe is a great toy - the gameboy >> of the musician. >> unfortunately there is no way to sample live with >> it. also i find the >> groove/quantize fonctions disturbing: not possible >> to turn them off. >> >> but very intuitive! >> >> stéphane >> >> >> >> > I think I will try that Electribe. So many swear >> by >> > it, and as it is a sampler it won't duplicate >> anything >> > in my studio. I tried an SP-303 a while ago and >> > didn't like it... I wanted to be able to >> manipulate >> > the sample as one would do with a vinyl record... >> so I >> > use a Numark CDX now (great piece of kit) >> > >> > but I digress... >> > >> > Mostly I want something that's intuitive to work >> with. >> > When I had my Roland MC-307 I was really prolific >> in >> > the beat dept. Upon getting an E-MU Planetearth >> > module, I was in love with the sound (thanks Mark >> > Hamburg!) so I ditched the 307 for the E-MU XL-7. >> > >> > Don't get me wrong, in some ways the XL-7 is >> brilliant >> > and I'd recommend it. It's cheap and VERY >> powerful >> > with tons of expansion capability. (It now houses >> the >> > ROM from my Planetearth) but in some ways it's >> very >> > frustraiting... especially when dealing with it's >> > effects section. It reminds me a tiny bit of my >> first >> > sequencer, a retarded device made by Brother. It >> did >> > a lot, but was so badly designed it was almost >> > impossible to do anything with it. I hate when >> gear >> > is trying to be all things to all people and while >> > you're making be one thing to you, you feel like >> you >> > are fighting it. In the end I'll trade off some >> sound >> > quality and features for something intuitive any >> day. >> > I think that's why I love the Repeater as well. >> I've >> > owned EDPs and never liked them. The interface >> never >> > really inspired me. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > --- John Wayne wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> >> >> I own a Korg Electribe S MKII and love it! Really >> >> easy to learn and use, >> >> small in size, good fx and smart media slot. (you >> >> can even copy .wav >> >> files directly onto the card and load them into >> the >> >> Electribe) >> >> Best to use it as drum sampler because the memory >> is >> >> about 3 MB only. >> >> >> >> For sequencing I use the Yamaha RM1x which is >> cheap >> >> (about 300 EUR) but >> >> a bit more complicated. Additionally it has a >> >> synthesizer with effect >> >> unit onboard. No killer sounds but you'll always >> >> find something >> >> interesting. >> >> The Yamaha RS-7000 is the follow-up to the RM1x >> and >> >> has increased memory >> >> and a sampler onboard. (price about 800 EUR). >> >> >> >> >> >> Scherer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mark sottilaro wrote: >> >> >> >> >Hey >> >> > >> >> >I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work >> with, >> >> >although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and >> >> >soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I >> find >> >> >myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital >> >> >Performer than for it's sequencing. >> >> > >> >> >I'm hoping to find something that's more user >> >> friendly >> >> >and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK >> to >> >> >learn yet deep and good sounding. What are >> people >> >> >using with success? On my list are the Korg >> >> Electribe >> >> >EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one >> but >> >> I'm >> >> >leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland >> >> MC-505. >> >> >(I miss my 307!) >> >> > >> >> >I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's >> >> MIDI >> >> >sync awaits your messages... >> >> > >> >> >Mark >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 14:21:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53IJLU15661; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <29ac2eeea83d7d7dc484a7cda94e475b@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Steve Sandberg Subject: edp footpedal query Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:17:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <9fvC8B.A.1xD.c7JoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've encountered this problem a lot - switches that stop working - my solution was to outfit 2 edp pedals withe heavier metal switches that never break - might be too noisy for some, but i love 'em. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 14:29:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53ISWh16925; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Russ Rosser" To: Subject: MIDI phrase looper? Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Is looper that store & regurgitates MIDI note commands rather than audio phrases?...and quantizes them to a tap tempo? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 15:19:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53JGAO23385; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:16:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Fukadugalon, 3 June 2005, Raleigh NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Should have sent this earlier. If anyone's in the area and in the mood for multiple looper-driven improvisation, please drop by. Thanks. - Steve B) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- "Fukadugalon, (foo-ka-doo-gaah-laan), n. 1. The use of music to communicate via birds and insects with extraterrestrials. 2. The improvisational noise unit formed (for this instantiation) by Will Connor (BAAMPHF!, Feraliminal Lycanthropizers), John Snead (Dreamscapes of the Perverse, BAAMPHF!, Center for Transgressive Behavior [CTB]), Steve Burnett (Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea), Adrian Likins (Phasmatodea). 3. BAAMPHF! + Subscape Annex + Phasmatodea in a garbage disposal chamber with the walls closing in. Fukadugalon performs this First Friday of June 3rd at Kirk Adam Gallery. Come see art and hear us! Instrumentation: percussion both Western and world, Chapman Sticks and theremin, bowed cymbals, Tibetan trumpets. Uses: trance, gnosis, and bardo guidance. Also playing the same venue and evening is the Durham-based group Lactose Quervo. We look forward to sharing the night and the gallery with them. Lactose Quervo can be heard at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/lactosequervo.htm Date: Friday, June 3rd, as part of the monthly Raleigh First Friday Art Crawl. Location: Kirk Adam Gallery, 107 W. Hargett Street, Raleigh, NC 27601. http://www.kirkadam.com/ Time: Uncertain. Say, a set at 8pm before Lactose Quervo, and another set later in the evening around 10pm after Lactose Quervo. Cover: None. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 15:31:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53JUd425153; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:30:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:30:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:29:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Ableton's LIVE 5.0 and First Loop Capability From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050603165618.02dd9880@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Is it impossible for Ableton's LIVE to have >> the simplest First Loop Capability that the Line 6 DL 4 or Boss >> Loopstation have: >> you know, you hit a button, record a loop and truncate it when you feel >> like it and then sync the remainder of >> your loops to it like a Repeater does? >> >> Am I just being naive or is there some reason why this feature is not >> included so far. > > hi Rick, > Be careful, you risk incurring the wrath of the bar line police here. > Since the 80's it's been known to all that musical phrases should start at > the beginning of the bar, and that the subsequent notes should be a > measurable distance from that start point. > Now what would happen if you were allowed to do what you want here? Firstly > there's no guarantee that you'll start the looping device exactly on the > barline, which means there will be no way of measuring the exact position > of any of the notes you play. Worse still, it's likely that music would be > played before a pre-determined tempo is set, meaning that unauthorised > sounds will be heard without an acceptably defined musical genre. > > andybutler > .... in the 1880s didn't Satie do away with bar lines? Jeremy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 16:25:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53KMga01332; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:22:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:22:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:21:05 -0600 Message-Id: <200506032021.j53KL5220335@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: machine? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > he older I get the more I embrace the > limitations of gear and find it inspiring. Also, the > longer I work with drum machines/sequencers the more I > want to make them sound like the machines they are. > The juxtaposition of machine with traditional > instruments really excites me. Its funny you say that as I've been feeling very similarly for a while now. Having now created a monstrously complicated signal path for my electric guitar experiments (or complicated too me at least), I find that I have really blown myself out by creating too many options. Sure, when I finally find the right combination of sounds, its awesome but I find I spend nearly as much time trying combinations of effects and levels as I do actually playing the instrument. I really love the gear I have that is limited in what it can do, but is flexible enough to let you push it past what you expect are its limits (the Multivox Multi-Echo comes to mind). And as far as drum machines go, I really dislike 'real' drum sounds. If I can't get a drummer or percussionist, I want a machine to do something they never could (since it so clearly can't do what they can). Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 17:38:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j53Lc2n11874; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:38:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:38:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DOqXyh7AwlDMIH17z+/MpdPArlCXXmgXFMQ9jycS8yZEXkVfh040/VpL6ThTksgLhICo6i6UO9n+o2aOLhF0CGsDGltthHcBkWn3EKMrV0sjQ8At7j68LxLLc2oAAfuAdiH47VDXiiMZVF8cbeYLm1vg+4rLDKJCIQZ3lYA/xL4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:30:15 -0700 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drummachine? In-Reply-To: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050601191920.4322.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j53Lb0x11710 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What don't you like about the XL-7? It's the only one of the lot that allows practical live mid recording with undo. Jon On 6/1/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey > > I find my E-MU XL-7 kind of cumbesome to work with, > although I do love a lot of it's flexibility and > soundset (it takes all the proteus cards). I find > myself using it more as a soundbank for Digital > Performer than for it's sequencing. > > I'm hoping to find something that's more user friendly > and fun to work with. I like gear that's QUICK to > learn yet deep and good sounding. What are people > using with success? On my list are the Korg Electribe > EX (the ROM or the sampler, not sure which one but I'm > leaning toward the sampler) or a used Roland MC-505. > (I miss my 307!) > > I'd love to hear your thoughts. My Repeater's MIDI > sync awaits your messages... > > Mark > > -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVoi+T719BlYtpRRyaicMMJuHCtLQACSTfg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2005 23:51:04.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A4691B0:01C56897] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j53Npkx29987 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've uploaded three versions of the song Mah-na mah-na here: http://savefile.com/projects/254468 Giddy up! K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 21:45:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j541hXH12269; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:42:53 -0400 From: kim galibert Subject: okay, i know i was all badass about the barefoot looping thing....(live looping video) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c568a6$b9e01f20$6503a8c0@vaio13> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mWlRBa+S+c2sRbTkxPXaLw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_mWlRBa+S+c2sRbTkxPXaLw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT the former barefoot looper reporting back in for duty. now live-looping a 6-piece acid jazz combo with ableton live, wearing both socks AND shoes! luscious vocalists, firm fiddle, stand up bass, stomp-esque percussion, what else do you want on a friday night? www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.wmv www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.mov (a cover of beck's "go it alone") it is a testament to ableton live that everyone on this video is smiling big happy loopy smiles. more soon - kim --Boundary_(ID_mWlRBa+S+c2sRbTkxPXaLw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
the former barefoot looper reporting back in for duty.
 
now live-looping a 6-piece acid jazz combo with ableton live, wearing both socks AND shoes!
 
luscious vocalists, firm fiddle, stand up bass, stomp-esque percussion, what else do you want on a friday night?
 
www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.wmv
 
(a cover of beck's "go it alone")
 
it is a testament to ableton live that everyone on this video is smiling big happy loopy smiles. 
 
more soon -
 
kim
 
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_mWlRBa+S+c2sRbTkxPXaLw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 22:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5426Kq15807; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:06:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:06:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c568aa$c09ef8a0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008013@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:11:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6HbaC.A.91D.5xQoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Awesome! I like how you can hear him walking back and forth in stereo on the Muppet Show version. What is that Italian tune they are quoting? So was that the same muppet that did the "All, Some, None" bit with all the monsters where he would say.. "ALL THE BIG ONES AND ALL THE HAIRY ONES AND ALL THE SCARY ONES..." while the monsters ran around. Then.. "...Well, SOME of the big ones and SOME of the hairy ones and.." "...NONE of the big ones and..." You get the idea. That one was hilarious, too. Muppets rule. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > I've uploaded three versions of the song Mah-na mah-na here: > > http://savefile.com/projects/254468 > > Giddy up! > > K- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 22:39:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j542cG519276; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:38:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:38:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42A113DE.1080008@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:37:18 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008013@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <001101c568aa$c09ef8a0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c568aa$c09ef8a0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Vbh-C.A.9rE.gPRoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com clomp...clomP...CLOMP...CLOMP. NEAR. CLOMP...CLomp...clomp.....clomp.... far. clomp...clomP...CLOMP...CLOMP. NEAR. CLOMP...CLomp...clomp.....clomp.... far. (I miss Jim H.) Mark Smart wrote: >Awesome! I like how you can hear him walking back and forth in stereo on the >Muppet Show version. What is that Italian tune they are quoting? > >So was that the same muppet that did the "All, Some, None" bit with all the >monsters where he would say.. > >"ALL THE BIG ONES AND ALL THE HAIRY ONES AND ALL THE SCARY ONES..." while the >monsters ran around. Then.. > >"...Well, SOME of the big ones and SOME of the hairy ones and.." > >"...NONE of the big ones and..." > >You get the idea. That one was hilarious, too. Muppets rule. > >Mark Smart >http://www.marksmart.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hartung, Kris" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:51 PM >Subject: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > >>I've uploaded three versions of the song Mah-na mah-na here: >> >>http://savefile.com/projects/254468 >> >>Giddy up! >> >>K- >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 22:50:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j542o5620508; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:50:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:50:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:49:40 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100801F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVornrAO/PKOw+zRVySAWs4/PqHlgAAPpsg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2005 02:49:41.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E7B6DB0:01C568B0] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j542ngx20447 Resent-Message-ID: <69zw3B.A.w_E.GbRoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love it...that brings back so many childhood memories of Seseme Street...those episodes are burned into my neural pathways for eternity. I'm just dying for them to produce those old episodes on DVD. I don't know what the hold up is, but I read that there is a petition going around to request it. - Far/Near - The weird, frog-like character selling ("dealing" letters in the shipyard..."you wanna buy a letter" - The baker with the tray of pies who says "15 chocolate cream pies" and falls down the stairs - The Ernie and Bert skit where Bert tells Ernie to take the banana out of his ear, and Ernie says he can't hear him because he has a banana in his hear - The three little pigs skit ....these are some of my favorites, and a few more. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here clomp...clomP...CLOMP...CLOMP. NEAR. CLOMP...CLomp...clomp.....clomp.... far. clomp...clomP...CLOMP...CLOMP. NEAR. CLOMP...CLomp...clomp.....clomp.... far. (I miss Jim H.) Mark Smart wrote: >Awesome! I like how you can hear him walking back and forth in stereo >on the Muppet Show version. What is that Italian tune they are quoting? > >So was that the same muppet that did the "All, Some, None" bit with all >the monsters where he would say.. > >"ALL THE BIG ONES AND ALL THE HAIRY ONES AND ALL THE SCARY ONES..." >while the monsters ran around. Then.. > >"...Well, SOME of the big ones and SOME of the hairy ones and.." > >"...NONE of the big ones and..." > >You get the idea. That one was hilarious, too. Muppets rule. > >Mark Smart >http://www.marksmart.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hartung, Kris" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:51 PM >Subject: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > >>I've uploaded three versions of the song Mah-na mah-na here: >> >>http://savefile.com/projects/254468 >> >>Giddy up! >> >>K- >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 23:04:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5432jE23169; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:02:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c568b2$8eb32660$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100801F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the one where Ernie counts fire engines to try to get to sleep and the fire engines wake Bert up. And another one with what might be the "manah manah" guy again. There were three muppets and they would all say the same word: Muppet1: Cat Muppet2: Cat Muppet3: Cat Muppet1: Rat Muppet2: Rat Muppet3: Rat Muppet1: Chat Muppet2: Chat Muppet3: Chat "WELL, A FAT CAT SAT ON A MAT AND HAD A CHAT WITH A RAT..." Something like that. :) I remember seeing a Sesame Street in the last few years, and they were still playing that really tripped out cartoon with the kid who gets lost and the guy tells him "Remember everything you passed, and when you go back, make the first thing the last". Whoever made that was doing some serious acid... Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 3 23:30:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j543Tnx25706; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42A12011.5020808@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:29:21 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100801F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <001401c568b2$8eb32660$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <001401c568b2$8eb32660$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm truly delighted and happy right now reading this thread and recalling those childhood memories. Forgive me, LD list, I know it's off topic - but I wanted to chime in one last time on behalf of Muppet-lovers everywhere. I do believe that Sesame Street shaped my life. Thank you!! "15 chocolate pies" really hit home. Love that one. I remember Snuffalupagus' entre into the show. For a while there (seemed like years as a kid, I think!) only Big Bird ever saw him, and he'd always leave before anyone else came around. Everyone (especially Mr Hooper... Mr. Looper?) thought Big Bird was a loony. The Muppet Martians are an obscure favorite of mine too. "Telephone? Telephone. Yepyep yep yep yepyep. Uhhuh uh huh. Brrrrrrrrrring!!!!" Over and out! Doug Mark Smart wrote: >I like the one where Ernie counts fire engines to try to get to sleep and the >fire engines wake Bert up. > >And another one with what might be the "manah manah" guy again. There were three >muppets and they would all say the same word: > >Muppet1: Cat >Muppet2: Cat >Muppet3: Cat > >Muppet1: Rat >Muppet2: Rat >Muppet3: Rat > >Muppet1: Chat >Muppet2: Chat >Muppet3: Chat > >"WELL, A FAT CAT SAT ON A MAT AND HAD A CHAT WITH A RAT..." > >Something like that. :) > >I remember seeing a Sesame Street in the last few years, and they were still >playing that really tripped out cartoon with the kid who gets lost and the guy >tells him "Remember everything you passed, and when you go back, make the first >thing the last". > >Whoever made that was doing some serious acid... > >Mark Smart >http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 07:30:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54BTcg16682; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dmX88vhuH2iJsx2nbvaEHOb2NWua7a/f2ykWrpbmmUphZuojmWNV4aVJ8kp7tVsp7P4KvLq7wzTSwpE6yKClK3FDe4wROZy+cZxg2qmUZ84jn9qbrvu+0J8mKq1Xvt0MQjReQh8a7z2LloIyW7w/4gtU5V2T0uxTjJv5K9prSyA= ; Message-ID: <20050604112829.3301.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 04:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP footpedal failure queery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find the buttons on the FCB1010 brilliant,very quiet, big and spaced ,unlike the EDP switch and you can have in one single Bank more functions programmed! Luis --- jeremy wrote: > I still use my EDP footpedals alongside a MIDI foot > controllers for a few > reasons: > > 1. The buttons are always there to be used without > having to go to a bank of > buttons on the foot controller. Particularly when I > am using the the foot > controller for other devices. > > 2. The lightness of touch and the immediate response > with EDP buttons aids > accurate timing. I can play the MUTE or HSP/FSP > function with the ease of > tapping a foot. Not so easy with a foot controller > style switch. > > I have to control my Repeater via the MIDI foot > controller and by comparison > this is less convenient. Consequently the EDPs can > be more tightly > integrated with realtime performance. > > As was raised recently in the thread about "software > v hardware", > controllability is a key issue. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > Rick brother throw it away and get the FCB1010 > you´ll > > be glad you did! > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > > >> Three of my buttons on my EDP proprietary > footpedal > >> suddenly wouldn't work > >> at my Luggage Store gig in SF tonight. > >> > >> I limped through the set using face plate buttons > >> but I'm pretty bummed. > >> > >> Is this a fix that a mere mortal can attempt to > make > >> or is it all the way > >> back to England for this puppy to > >> be functional again? > >> > >> I'm also wondering since three of them in a row > >> suddenly didn't work if > >> maybe there is a short > >> somewhere that is knocking all three out. Any > >> ideas? > >> > >> I lost the ability to multiply, insert and mute. > >> Record still seems to > >> work. Worked like a charm all through > >> my japanese tour. > >> > >> worried, Rick Walker > >> > >> > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 08:51:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54CnGv26414; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=awbPPxxYW5Zyu3ETahxHjiJ4o30wp/0GvDQ++ojTFrnXTdqF9EkhglxdzFlOw+fNbCmpp0XYfsByEpS1gIwSTfPRccKkuQBSjI6CmwdxnHg3NhhjMqsU8P47nDZodgBBhICbdL1phBrn0t3PQ1rpDjcQLZkiRx8WqwuvfueFwAA= ; Message-ID: <20050604124758.56008.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 05:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42A12011.5020808@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_1MlbC.A.kbG.DMaoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sooo, let me guess, Oscar the Grouch and Kermit both use the DL4, Elmo uses an RC-20... (follow the garanimal color theory here?) I think Big Bird once contributed to an LD thread in which he complained that it was hard for him to use the EDP footpedal without hitting several buttons at once. I come from that in-between age demographic (post-boomer, pre-gen-x) where when Sesame Street first aired I was old enough to think it was just for littler kids but young enough that adults assumed my friends and I would want to see it, thus setting up an archetypal resentment that defines my mini-generation. We generally preferred Batman and Gilligan's Island reruns... About a year ago I was doing some genealogical research and discovered the family "secret" that my surname should actually be Grover. (Long story involving my great-grandfather's two wives; his *middle* name was Nelson...) I don't think I'm in any way related to the blue near/far muppet, but here's a link you might enjoy: Back to looping; I'm learning cello, and have an ever-deepening respect for Zoe and her ilk. (Keating, that is, not the muppet...) -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 09:39:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54DcpY01045; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:38:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:38:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:37:10 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008023@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVpA9zfDhftHF2KRfiw7oikgNr5IQABgErA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2005 13:37:51.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A5B95D0:01C5690A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j54DbDx32624 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello player in a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping and playing avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe Morris. Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of guitarists...not for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has been drifting these days. All hail Grover.... Kris out P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual VST effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very experimental tune I recorded. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Sooo, let me guess, Oscar the Grouch and Kermit both use the DL4, Elmo uses an RC-20... (follow the garanimal color theory here?) I think Big Bird once contributed to an LD thread in which he complained that it was hard for him to use the EDP footpedal without hitting several buttons at once. I come from that in-between age demographic (post-boomer, pre-gen-x) where when Sesame Street first aired I was old enough to think it was just for littler kids but young enough that adults assumed my friends and I would want to see it, thus setting up an archetypal resentment that defines my mini-generation. We generally preferred Batman and Gilligan's Island reruns... About a year ago I was doing some genealogical research and discovered the family "secret" that my surname should actually be Grover. (Long story involving my great-grandfather's two wives; his *middle* name was Nelson...) I don't think I'm in any way related to the blue near/far muppet, but here's a link you might enjoy: Back to looping; I'm learning cello, and have an ever-deepening respect for Zoe and her ilk. (Keating, that is, not the muppet...) -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 14:26:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54IOpq08100; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:24:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:24:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:24:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Visual Loop From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c5652f$64a91cc0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3200729062_2843759" Resent-Message-ID: <97TwCB.A._9B.THfoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3200729062_2843759 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The molecular expressions link is very cool! d on 5/30/05 8:51 AM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > Loopy stuff! > > http://random.zongrila.com/swirl.php > > http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a k butler" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:29 AM > Subject: Visual Loop > > >> > >> > >> > http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm >> > very --B_3200729062_2843759 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Visual Loop The molecular expressions link is very cool!

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on 5/30/05 8:51 AM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote:

Loopy stuff!

http://random.zongrila.com/swirl.php

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.htm= l

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very --B_3200729062_2843759-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 15:09:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54J9RX13960; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:09:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FehYjr60BW+d79zazeWZH86RrER0b6CF7CIxeP25aMXUtAivsOVfNtA7+6UtkW/w0u9tiCScritNNGYAPHDBkaoFY5xuL37JE2G678R+xGeBLzZrmZD56vrjSFFsd0qi7jYTvf2kcxOVdysOWYC9r3dd4ZD2yb7NaWohoudIo0U= ; Message-ID: <20050604190733.68776.qmail@web50502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6ON2qB.A.QXD.6vfoCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget the recent version of this great tune as performed by CAKE on the "For The Kids" album (available on iTunes, Rhapsody, etc.). It's not the Muppets, but they certainly do it justice. Bringing this thread closer to topic, The Muppets were actually my first reason for wanting to do music. Plus most of my vocal/instrument sounds were an outgrowth of wanting to be that little blue guy on Sesame Street who would open his mouth and sound like a trumpet or some other ridiculous thing. Mahna Mahna would work well in a looping context, don't you think? Maybe it's time to pay homage in performance... Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 15:30:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54JNsF15637; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:23:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:23:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XIsAa/2yzP8+UzQacmy23PEq1LYiDAd3fLa2v3ARZYg5VTDv9RTREPEvyjklt+Fg4URzj9EtSadCHgF8+CE8NhxpdIHoPIClTdOrX4U3Zfb2mdjySZEvRFXGfwetpGsqYGVYb56DjGlTiQDYkVAQQGOZ/XXzzLpgUwDvrjb8M2c= ; Message-ID: <20050604192316.6109.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: The Angel Gabriel... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200506031240.j53Cemk26261@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3pAXpB.A.ZzD.q-foCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This just in from Sweetwater... Peter Gabriel (yes, that Peter Gabriel) and broadcast entrepreneur David Engelke announced at AES Barcelona last weekend that they are in the final stages of purchasing Solid State Logic. SSL has been up for sale since February. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 16:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54KRVR26632; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:27:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:27:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mIbm4qJwJ8WgUWNf1dpV+59eMkOT2Yjki/PYX6skN7DTDmH4XIw5iOqoifjNki/k/1mC9/M7dcn1A0Gswpis3khGHXA+n0kQ/MuYnylUIRfJgq0NSNWTjvFd1yUOa89HRyCiq+5lUIbXlAfE1COEdIZDY3TzUsHpjZGjChSrpMM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:13:51 -0400 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here In-Reply-To: <42A12011.5020808@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100801F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <001401c568b2$8eb32660$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> <42A12011.5020808@pdq.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j54KPXx26365 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The Muppet Martians are an obscure favorite of mine too. "Telephone? > Telephone. Yepyep yep yep yepyep. Uhhuh uh huh. Brrrrrrrrrring!!!!" Don't forget Cookie Monster's relationship with phones: "Mmmm, cuppee-cakes!" jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 18:07:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54M4Ji09145; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:04:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:02:58 -0700 Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008023@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <692A9A23-D544-11D9-A774-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, June 4, 2005, at 06:37 AM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello player > in > a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping and playing > avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe Morris. > Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his > CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of > guitarists...not > for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has been drifting these > days. > > All hail Grover.... > > Kris out > > P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual VST > effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very experimental > tune > I recorded. > Hey Kris, Joe Morris is indeed cool, I've seen him a couple of times, and he always blows me away. He has such a pure conception, everything is conveyed in his note and harmony choices, his tone and technique seem to be pretty transparent. Beautiful player. Good luck on finding an avant-garde cellist in Boise! Until a few months ago, I would have just laughed at you trying to find any avant players in Boise, but now I think you might at least have a chance. I grew up in far-east Oregon and spent a lot of time Boise as a kid/teenager. Seemed like a real music backwater at the time. But, I played a gig there, as part of the Gene Harris Jazz fest a few months ago, and, after not being back for 20 some years, I was really surprised and pleased at how hip the audience at our show was! Met some very cool people, and felt that our own outward-leaning jazz-funk was well understood and accepted. Met a couple of music students from BSU who had huge ears, I believe the guys we talked to played trumpet and guitar, but the music school might be an avenue for finding cool players. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 18:10:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54MA2X10347; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: electribe ES1 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:08:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2005 22:08:34.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[F38B0950:01C56951] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg Electribe ES1 sampler $200. In N.Cali. 831 336-3633 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 18:25:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54MPPH13899; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CJGxp3Cpuwckz/mzI86doZqTeo6Q+IZP3/St9Yzo9DGyUF+U7LzTaA+iBohoXc0r7KkpqMHEjgEizmll2qoeXA14Z+QxeDZ+PX1c0buvjugLVxz8zxA6qzHQuSrDQ82DBYygjNdLF5089wdrmAlxvaelUpj5ZaeavWEDkDDh0MQ= ; Message-ID: <20050604222358.4850.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008023@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <48houC.A.BUD.EoioCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, *learning* cello is not the same thing as being decent on it, and I've got a loooong way to go. My girlfriend (who plays stringed instruments herself) keeps telling me she's amazed at how quickly I'm picking it up, but I still feel like a total amateur on it, although when I approach it the way I play flute, it can sound pretty decent. What I do on flute (and theremin for that matter) is to play long notes and extremely simple passages very slowly, building harmonically layered loops; it lacks conventional technical expertise but can develop some quite interesting textures. Plus, spending time with an unfamiliar instrument has been giving me a nice sense of "beginner's mind"; it's nice to actually look forward to practicing! -t- --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > You're lea[r]ning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't > find a cello player in > a 300 miles square radius who is interested in > looping and playing > avant-garde music... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 18:49:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54Mmwn17579; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X0EuFEcqKH8J117Gkzf/ZAcyBaMgi+2brjR14/Pp/B/wPy5y/gTwHowxPutXOfOV/xWrEGpnLB2YxNVC8XsqQzPzs23KHQu05k5BBK8VpBzd+OyjAtz4JSfyXjkPUjwi9nciBc/9Jx87Oc3UbYPD5e2T43G1xcfSqTDDavVZxEI= ; Message-ID: <20050604224730.92697.qmail@web50511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:47:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Muting input in Multiply / G-minor? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP Loopers - I still haven't solved this problem and welcome any thoughts! I've given up on a momentary switch for overdub-style additions to the loop while in multiply. My newest idea is just to use a volume pedal with Loop/Delay=IN and then switch back to Loop/Delay=LOP. Which should work as soon as I get LoopIV installed... But this leads me to finding a midi foot controller that will work to toggle in and out of InterfaceModes. Obviously the much-loved FCB1010 is overkill, and the very simplest programmable midi controller I can find seems to be the G-minor by TC Electronics (http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-Minor/). It's made for their G-major system, but seems to be fully programmable to work with other devices. The LD archives hold no relevant references, anybody out there ever try one with an EDP? Know of something better? Think I'm way off? Please let me know, thanks! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 18:54:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54Mr0E18225; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:51:04 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100802F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVpUWLODaKXVmgTSruLe7hfFAxAHgAAK/IA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2005 22:51:12.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7CED410:01C56957] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j54Mp7x17843 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Boise is on its painful way to become a musically diverse city (now the third largest city in the NE US, but it still has a long way to go. In support of your point below, David, we indeed have a fair amount of folks who appreciate diverse and interesting music (especially at the university)...the problem is that the venue owners are playing the conservative route: they go on the safe side with mainstream, monolithic styles of music like traditional jazz, blues, classic rock, country, classical, and folk...stuff that will appeal to the "Idaho Conservative Populous". There is only one venue in town that breaks this rule, and that is the Kulture Klatsch, which I play at the first Thursdays of every month. I've heard everything there, and it is always appreciated, albeit by a very small crowd on occasion. There used to be a hip venue called Pi. I played in a fusion/funk/jazz Scofield like original band there once...it was a cool place, great pro like stage, amazing lights and sound system, etc. They brought bands in from out of state, everything from free jazz and acid jazz to trip hop and adult alternative rock. But the owner couldn't keep the place alive, and he had to shut it down. Boise doesn't even have a part time jazz club...it was proposed by a jazz enthusiast/investor, but shot down in flames because of the grim prospect on ROI. During the Gene Harris Jazz festival, everyone claims to be a jazz fan, but then when the event is done and the hype is down, folks go back to their normal lack-of-support behavior. So, yes the idea of an avant-garde Cellist here in Boise is borderline ludicrous. I think most people here think avant-garde is playing an unplanned solo during a jam session, or a non-rock instrumentalist sitting in with a pop band. I once asked a local bass clarinet player if he was interested in collaborating with me, because I hear he had played with some rock or alternative groups. I thought, cool....now I can do the Nordic Quartet thing like Terje Rypdal. His response was that he had to make money and he wasn't interested in playing with screeching violins and atonal improv. But, maybe there is hope. A lot of it depends on having a large enough listening base that will support a venue. In a city of 210,000, 100 people who listen to real avant-garde probably isn't enough...this could be an exaggeration. Perhaps I should place an ad...it's worked for me before. I found bass player her interested in playing jazz like John Abercrombie. 1 response, and we've been great friends since. Cheers, Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here On Saturday, June 4, 2005, at 06:37 AM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello player > in a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping and playing > avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe Morris. > Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his > CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of > guitarists...not for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has been > drifting these days. > > All hail Grover.... > > Kris out > > P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual VST > effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very experimental > tune I recorded. > Hey Kris, Joe Morris is indeed cool, I've seen him a couple of times, and he always blows me away. He has such a pure conception, everything is conveyed in his note and harmony choices, his tone and technique seem to be pretty transparent. Beautiful player. Good luck on finding an avant-garde cellist in Boise! Until a few months ago, I would have just laughed at you trying to find any avant players in Boise, but now I think you might at least have a chance. I grew up in far-east Oregon and spent a lot of time Boise as a kid/teenager. Seemed like a real music backwater at the time. But, I played a gig there, as part of the Gene Harris Jazz fest a few months ago, and, after not being back for 20 some years, I was really surprised and pleased at how hip the audience at our show was! Met some very cool people, and felt that our own outward-leaning jazz-funk was well understood and accepted. Met a couple of music students from BSU who had huge ears, I believe the guys we talked to played trumpet and guitar, but the music school might be an avenue for finding cool players. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 19:55:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j54Nsmd27864; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:57:52 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42A24000.4060508@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <743AVB.A.ByG.f8joCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one of my favourite sesame street skits was the wig race with kermit interviewing a wig owner: kermit: what kind of shampoo do you use on your wigs? indignant owner: SHAM-poo?! SHAM-poo?!! i do not use SHAM-poo on my wigs. i use real poo. only the best poo for my wigs... anyone i have ever told that to has never seen that skit. anyone here remember it? or is it a product of childhood imaginary potty humour? shayne(and mr. hanky, his lifelong friend...) -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 21:29:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j551SNn12002; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:28:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VWUyCHBJWREOy9H1WJkL6mamJgg2fhMTgy3XRfiOIYW41/SQf67r2lRESukL5uy2; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200560513229410@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ken Field and Sesame Street.. Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:32:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d37a0f045d43eb42e8331628e50e2ae7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, muppets rule...Hensen was making quietly subversive quality TV way back in the '50s when I was like "negative 5 years old."... but I'm a little bummed that I haven't heard (or don't recognize) any of the Sesame Street bits being quoted and cheered here. Hey, I guess if they did 4,000 episodes then I am bound to have missed a few ;-) I still remember Richie Havens and his conga player teaching us to count... I was already 11 by then and knew how to count already, but I dug it. Some Sesame Street bits feature Ken Field (of Birdsongs of the Mesozoic and Revolutionary Snake Ensemble) and art by his wife, Karen Aqua. I recorded with Ken late last year (he was/is a gentleman and a massive talent). A little label called Innova will put it out someday, hopefully soon. Yours in Claymation Rocks Counting To Twelve, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Mark Smart > To: > Date: 6/3/2005 10:07:11 PM > Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > Awesome! I like how you can hear him walking back and forth in stereo on the > Muppet Show version. What is that Italian tune they are quoting? > > So was that the same muppet that did the "All, Some, None" bit with all the > monsters where he would say.. > > "ALL THE BIG ONES AND ALL THE HAIRY ONES AND ALL THE SCARY ONES..." while the > monsters ran around. Then.. > > "...Well, SOME of the big ones and SOME of the hairy ones and.." > > "...NONE of the big ones and..." > > You get the idea. That one was hilarious, too. Muppets rule. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hartung, Kris" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:51 PM > Subject: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > I've uploaded three versions of the song Mah-na mah-na here: > > > > http://savefile.com/projects/254468 > > > > Giddy up! > > > > K- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 21:30:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j551UIx12391; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PSa/wOhuWrMJ345rRfFSYvX/6V+JL8vchQGPzVuN9S6r599XwRglMgtZzC8v4NWb; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200560513431340@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the letter X..."xylophone" RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:34:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401e6051c5a53eefcf9b8ce09086118dd0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about the appearance of the mysterious letter X? That was a good'un. ~TimM > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/3/2005 10:50:57 PM > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > I love it...that brings back so many childhood memories of Seseme > Street...those episodes are burned into my neural pathways for eternity. > I'm just dying for them to produce those old episodes on DVD. I don't > know what the hold up is, but I read that there is a petition going > around to request it. > > - Far/Near > - The weird, frog-like character selling ("dealing" letters in the > shipyard..."you wanna buy a letter" > - The baker with the tray of pies who says "15 chocolate cream pies" and > falls down the stairs > - The Ernie and Bert skit where Bert tells Ernie to take the banana out > of his ear, and Ernie says he can't hear him because he has a banana in > his hear > - The three little pigs skit > > ....these are some of my favorites, and a few more. > > Kris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > clomp...clomP...CLOMP...CLOMP. > > NEAR. > > CLOMP...CLomp...clomp.....clomp.... > > far. > > clomp...clomP...CLOMP...CLOMP. > > NEAR. > > CLOMP...CLomp...clomp.....clomp.... > > far. > > > (I miss Jim H.) > > Mark Smart wrote: > > >Awesome! I like how you can hear him walking back and forth in stereo > >on the Muppet Show version. What is that Italian tune they are quoting? > > > >So was that the same muppet that did the "All, Some, None" bit with all > > >the monsters where he would say.. > > > >"ALL THE BIG ONES AND ALL THE HAIRY ONES AND ALL THE SCARY ONES..." > >while the monsters ran around. Then.. > > > >"...Well, SOME of the big ones and SOME of the hairy ones and.." > > > >"...NONE of the big ones and..." > > > >You get the idea. That one was hilarious, too. Muppets rule. > > > >Mark Smart > >http://www.marksmart.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Hartung, Kris" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:51 PM > >Subject: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > > > > > > >>I've uploaded three versions of the song Mah-na mah-na here: > >> > >>http://savefile.com/projects/254468 > >> > >>Giddy up! > >> > >>K- > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 4 21:36:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j551Y9713507; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=T/hu5yuVZUzTfPCH2LQ5BGo5aQBNhulDZGSeCGfi+duailpqk+fziwVbhvuwFv+r; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200560513818730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:38:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9409c70af2fabe4025aee68c9ae070a0e26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kris! The few Morris tunes I've heard were magical. Didn't he write this un-sane music book based on colors? If so, where can I find it? And congrats on your post-partum gig!!!!!!!!!! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/4/2005 9:38:56 AM > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello player in > a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping and playing > avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe Morris. > Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his > CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of guitarists...not > for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has been drifting these > days. > > All hail Grover.... > > Kris out > > P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual VST > effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very experimental tune > I recorded. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > Sooo, let me guess, Oscar the Grouch and Kermit both use the DL4, Elmo > uses an RC-20... (follow the garanimal color theory here?) > > I think Big Bird once contributed to an LD thread in which he complained > that it was hard for him to use the EDP footpedal without hitting > several buttons at once. > > I come from that in-between age demographic (post-boomer, pre-gen-x) > where when Sesame Street first aired I was old enough to think it was > just for littler kids but young enough that adults assumed my friends > and I would want to see it, thus setting up an archetypal resentment > that defines my mini-generation. > We generally preferred Batman and Gilligan's Island reruns... > > About a year ago I was doing some genealogical research and discovered > the family "secret" that my surname should actually be Grover. (Long > story involving my great-grandfather's two wives; his > *middle* name was Nelson...) I don't think I'm in any way related to the > blue near/far muppet, but here's a link you might enjoy: > > > Back to looping; I'm learning cello, and have an ever-deepening respect > for Zoe and her ilk. (Keating, that is, not the muppet...) > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 00:36:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j554a3n05452; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:36:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:36:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: <20050602172757.84225.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Drummachine? Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:35:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wanted to love the E-mu Command Stations because I loved the sound sets. But I spent a while with one at the store and came away fairly thoroughly frustrated. It utterly failed the "just sit down and use it" test. In contrast, every time I've played with an Electribe, it's been pretty much immediately obvious what to do. That being said I opted for a Machinedrum rather than an Electribe. It's an inspiring and relatively intuitive box, but with deep corners that I haven't really begun to assimilate. The last drum machine that I really enjoyed programming was a Korg DDD-1. Since then I've had an MC-505 and an SR-16 and both sounded much better, but they never pulled me into wanting to program them. For my CD, I actually played the drums "live" using my Handsonic, though through the miracle of looping I only needed to play them for one measure. ;-) I can't remember now whether I used the EDP or the lame-ass sequencer built into the Handsonic. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 03:28:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j557PuB22452; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 03:25:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 03:25:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c5699f$90e91c80$1d34ff3e@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <200505281859.j4SIx5L14906@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050529112800.02d378b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <000401c5652f$64a91cc0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Visual Loop Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:24:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Love the swirl loop David - got any more? Gareth > Loopy stuff! > > http://random.zongrila.com/swirl.php > > http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a k butler" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:29 AM > Subject: Visual Loop > > >> >> >> http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 15:31:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55JUQf30010; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:30:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:10:44 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008040@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips thread-index: AcVqAkW35S3rxx5bRYqmLbF2j4vJkg== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2005 19:10:45.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[469ADC00:01C56A02] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j55JTdQ29932 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I finally got around to playing a gig with the lion's share of my prior rack setup replaced with the laptop computer and VST effects. Below is a link to an avant-garde, free style improvisational piece (Track 2) recorded live on June 2. I wasn't yet comfortable with all the VST effects I had at my disposal, so I'm trying out a lot of presets on this particular tune. The other 3 tunes are fine too, if you are interested in downloading them. I do tentatively plan to replace, though not permanently, the EDPs with Mobius eventually, but I can't run my VST host and plethora of VST effects at the same time as Mobius...way to much processing required. My plan is to buy another laptop and run just mobius on that system. New soundclips: http://www.savefile.com/projects/830188 (see track #2 for the most experimental piece) Krispen Hartung - Acoustic Guitar, real-time looping Vincent Miresse - Didgeridoo, dumbek, singing bowl, bells, rainstick, udu, etc Graphics of my new setup, including URLs to the VSTs: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Signal Chain: Guitar -> Ernie Ball Volume Pedal -> Boss VF1 -> Laptop Computer w/ Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS Notebook soundcard & EnergyXT VST host VST Effects loaded on EnergyXT*: MHC FLEX FX 2.0 Stereo Delay KJAERHUS Audio Classic Chorus Antares Filter Antares Kantos Audio Controlled Synthesizer Lexicon PSP42 Lexicon PSP84 MHC Space Effect 2.0 MHC VoxFX 2.0 SmartElecronix MadShifta NUSofting Morphing Delay NUSofting Trimmetry Tapper Mathons Chopitch Other misc. VST effects *Delay and Chorus run at all times, other effects activated when desired Out of soundcard -> 2 EDPs -> Mackie 1202-VLZ mixer (Lexicon LXP1 in aux for reverb only) -> 1/4 inch to PA and balanced XLR to Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 to record Cheers, Kris http://www.krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 15:52:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55Jp3C32637; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:51:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: surround looping revisited Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:51:36 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c56a07$fca00cf0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's done! Today, I set up my first surround looping setup, based on some of the valuable opinions in this forum. About the setup: Hardware: PC w/ ADAT Interface Behringer ADA8000 ADAT I/O (8 Mic/Line Ins, 8 Outs) Creative Labs pseudo-surround speaker setup :-) various (4) mikes (AT, SP, Beyer) Software: AudioMulch Ellotronix looper (2) various AcousModules BuzzComp (4) (as kind of automatic gain control) And the following two axioms: (1) No feedback internal to the electronic setup (i.e. only feedback speaker -> microphone) (2) No signals fed from inputs to outputs which aren't run through the delay lines Short description: a 21st century interactive Alvin Lucier setup! I'm still fine-tuning as well as expanding this approach, so again here come more questions: * Does anyone know of a (if possible free or cheap) feedback destroyer as a VST plugin? I'm thinking of basically a software version of the Sabine/Shure/Behringer hardware units used for live sound applications. * Is there a nice interface to send ASIO connections via a network connection (without using Steinberg Nuendo that is)? Thanks for your input! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 16:04:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55K48Q04113; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: surround looping revisited Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:02:56 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100804A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: surround looping revisited thread-index: AcVqB++BReZwzmtxRHuX2cNs4SQhVgAATKyg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2005 20:02:57.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[91933200:01C56A09] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j55K2wQ03751 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pretty cool, Rainer. It would be fun to setup a surround sound, live system one day. I would probably buy two wireless speakers and put them in the back of the room. I too have the creative labs surround capability on my soundcard. Can you explain what surround effect you are using? Are you taking advantage of the other set of stereo images and running different signals/effects to them, or just running a dual stereo system? For instance, how would you setup a four way ping pong delay? Kris -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:52 PM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: surround looping revisited It's done! Today, I set up my first surround looping setup, based on some of the valuable opinions in this forum. About the setup: Hardware: PC w/ ADAT Interface Behringer ADA8000 ADAT I/O (8 Mic/Line Ins, 8 Outs) Creative Labs pseudo-surround speaker setup :-) various (4) mikes (AT, SP, Beyer) Software: AudioMulch Ellotronix looper (2) various AcousModules BuzzComp (4) (as kind of automatic gain control) And the following two axioms: (1) No feedback internal to the electronic setup (i.e. only feedback speaker -> microphone) (2) No signals fed from inputs to outputs which aren't run through the delay lines Short description: a 21st century interactive Alvin Lucier setup! I'm still fine-tuning as well as expanding this approach, so again here come more questions: * Does anyone know of a (if possible free or cheap) feedback destroyer as a VST plugin? I'm thinking of basically a software version of the Sabine/Shure/Behringer hardware units used for live sound applications. * Is there a nice interface to send ASIO connections via a network connection (without using Steinberg Nuendo that is)? Thanks for your input! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 16:05:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55K4ha04474; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,171,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="984271036:sNHT20612708" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008040@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008040@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:04:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j55K4IQ04166 Resent-Message-ID: <3-fWBC.A.XBB.Cr1oCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lovely! (Getting 1, 3, 4 as I write...) So, what’s the VF1 doing for your basic tone? Any Kantos discernible in any of these tracks? Very interesting...cool duo. Thanks! dc On Jun 5, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Well, I finally got around to playing a gig with the lion's share > of my > prior rack setup replaced with the laptop computer and VST effects. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 16:19:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55KIa606464; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:18:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:18:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:18:09 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100804B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips thread-index: AcVqCdRwEB14Vcf7SUuCjkuhH5GRvwAAFfaA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2005 20:18:11.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1CBB8B0:01C56A0B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j55KIB806360 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the VF1 only for three residual tones from my prior setup: 1) my signature guitar synth tone (a mellowed out brass tone), 2) a rich dual octave pad like patch with delays that feedback the octave into itself, and 3) lowering my guitar an octave to simulate bass. I'm trying to wean myself off of 1)....starting to resent myself for relying on it too much. The Kantos makes it's allusive appearance on Track/Song #2 at 3 minutes 55 seconds. I've just barely tapped into the potential of the Kantos...it's rather difficult to master, but I'll get it eventually with time. It has the capability to create some absolutely monstrous and out of this world tones...and the cool thing is that the interface looks like some bizarre control panel of an organic alien spaceship. K- -----Original Message----- From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips Lovely! (Getting 1, 3, 4 as I write...) So, what's the VF1 doing for your basic tone? Any Kantos discernible in any of these tracks? Very interesting...cool duo. Thanks! dc On Jun 5, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Well, I finally got around to playing a gig with the lion's share of > my prior rack setup replaced with the laptop computer and VST effects. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 16:31:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55KUc608145; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: surround looping revisited Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:30:51 +0200 Message-ID: <003501c56a0d$77f2d810$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100804A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j55KTV807987 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks four your feedback, Kris! First, let me mention that this setup is more of an interactive installation rather than "normal" music. What I currently do is let it simply run and pick up street noises coming through the windows, incoming phone calls, toilet flush, espresso machine... and see what happens. Now coming back to your questions, and I'll answer the last one first. Check out the AcousModules web site acousmodules.free.fr (note that the English version of the page is currently not really functional - hope you speak some french ;-) Use the SpatDelays effect (its basically eight delays in one unit), send your (monophonic) source singnal to inputs one to four, turn on delays one to four with different delay times and send the output of delays one to four to your four speakers. My current setup in AudioMulch looks like this (a setup you can replace in any of the modular audio thingies like Bidule or EnergyXT or even Nuendo I'm sure): Inputs 1-4 (from Microphones) V one Buzz Compressor per channel with huge threshold, long release and strong limiting and lots of makeup gain V 4x4 Matrix V two EllotronixXL in stereo mode with decay centered (these act only as long delay lines) The four independent delay outputs are used as inputs for several effects (some of them with surround outputs or inputs and outputs), several of them from the AcousModules website. The output of these is fed into four 4-to-1 mixers which in turn feed the four independent outputs. The speakers are set up in a kinda-quadrophonic fashion in my bedroom, the microphones are placed differently: one (AT4050 in figure-eight) sits next to the computer at the back end of the room, one (Rode NT-1A) is pointed at the window and picks up street noise as well as reflections from the window. A SP C4 pair (cardioid) is set up in the hallway, one mike pointing towards the living room. Currently, I'm trying to fight the buildup of drones (hence my question about feedback destroyer plugins). These do form a kind of strange attractor for the system - meaning that independent of the input, after a finite time the system lands in "boooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh" mode :-( Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Juni 2005 22:03 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: surround looping revisited Pretty cool, Rainer. It would be fun to setup a surround sound, live system one day. I would probably buy two wireless speakers and put them in the back of the room. I too have the creative labs surround capability on my soundcard. Can you explain what surround effect you are using? Are you taking advantage of the other set of stereo images and running different signals/effects to them, or just running a dual stereo system? For instance, how would you setup a four way ping pong delay? Kris -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:52 PM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: surround looping revisited It's done! Today, I set up my first surround looping setup, based on some of the valuable opinions in this forum. About the setup: Hardware: PC w/ ADAT Interface Behringer ADA8000 ADAT I/O (8 Mic/Line Ins, 8 Outs) Creative Labs pseudo-surround speaker setup :-) various (4) mikes (AT, SP, Beyer) Software: AudioMulch Ellotronix looper (2) various AcousModules BuzzComp (4) (as kind of automatic gain control) And the following two axioms: (1) No feedback internal to the electronic setup (i.e. only feedback speaker -> microphone) (2) No signals fed from inputs to outputs which aren't run through the delay lines Short description: a 21st century interactive Alvin Lucier setup! I'm still fine-tuning as well as expanding this approach, so again here come more questions: * Does anyone know of a (if possible free or cheap) feedback destroyer as a VST plugin? I'm thinking of basically a software version of the Sabine/Shure/Behringer hardware units used for live sound applications. * Is there a nice interface to send ASIO connections via a network connection (without using Steinberg Nuendo that is)? Thanks for your input! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 16:45:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55KgT210028; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: surround looping revisited Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:41:57 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100804C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: surround looping revisited thread-index: AcVqDXLfSXrQ7PaOQRykLFkbGGE0qwAAL5qg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2005 20:41:59.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[04F388D0:01C56A0F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j55Kfx809971 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got it. Thanks. Your application is interesting. I think I could figure it out now. In fact, in EnergyXT, I can assign any output of a VST to any of my 5 soundcard outputs (back L/R, front L/R, and center), and then I could run those soundcard outputs to separate powered PA speakers...or my mixer, using my main stereo out and sub outs. Damn, I either have to buy a new laptop to run Mobius to loop all five channels independentaly, or buy three more EDPs...eithe option costs about the same....or I just loop my front L/R channels. I have to stop thinking about this...very dangerous...I could fall into what my wife calls one of my vortexes and disappear in the basement for weeks. Not good, man. Don't tell me anymore Rainer. This is grounds for divorce. ;) K- -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: surround looping revisited Thanks four your feedback, Kris! First, let me mention that this setup is more of an interactive installation rather than "normal" music. What I currently do is let it simply run and pick up street noises coming through the windows, incoming phone calls, toilet flush, espresso machine... and see what happens. Now coming back to your questions, and I'll answer the last one first. Check out the AcousModules web site acousmodules.free.fr (note that the English version of the page is currently not really functional - hope you speak some french ;-) Use the SpatDelays effect (its basically eight delays in one unit), send your (monophonic) source singnal to inputs one to four, turn on delays one to four with different delay times and send the output of delays one to four to your four speakers. My current setup in AudioMulch looks like this (a setup you can replace in any of the modular audio thingies like Bidule or EnergyXT or even Nuendo I'm sure): Inputs 1-4 (from Microphones) V one Buzz Compressor per channel with huge threshold, long release and strong limiting and lots of makeup gain V 4x4 Matrix V two EllotronixXL in stereo mode with decay centered (these act only as long delay lines) The four independent delay outputs are used as inputs for several effects (some of them with surround outputs or inputs and outputs), several of them from the AcousModules website. The output of these is fed into four 4-to-1 mixers which in turn feed the four independent outputs. The speakers are set up in a kinda-quadrophonic fashion in my bedroom, the microphones are placed differently: one (AT4050 in figure-eight) sits next to the computer at the back end of the room, one (Rode NT-1A) is pointed at the window and picks up street noise as well as reflections from the window. A SP C4 pair (cardioid) is set up in the hallway, one mike pointing towards the living room. Currently, I'm trying to fight the buildup of drones (hence my question about feedback destroyer plugins). These do form a kind of strange attractor for the system - meaning that independent of the input, after a finite time the system lands in "boooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh" mode :-( Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Juni 2005 22:03 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: surround looping revisited Pretty cool, Rainer. It would be fun to setup a surround sound, live system one day. I would probably buy two wireless speakers and put them in the back of the room. I too have the creative labs surround capability on my soundcard. Can you explain what surround effect you are using? Are you taking advantage of the other set of stereo images and running different signals/effects to them, or just running a dual stereo system? For instance, how would you setup a four way ping pong delay? Kris -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:52 PM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: surround looping revisited It's done! Today, I set up my first surround looping setup, based on some of the valuable opinions in this forum. About the setup: Hardware: PC w/ ADAT Interface Behringer ADA8000 ADAT I/O (8 Mic/Line Ins, 8 Outs) Creative Labs pseudo-surround speaker setup :-) various (4) mikes (AT, SP, Beyer) Software: AudioMulch Ellotronix looper (2) various AcousModules BuzzComp (4) (as kind of automatic gain control) And the following two axioms: (1) No feedback internal to the electronic setup (i.e. only feedback speaker -> microphone) (2) No signals fed from inputs to outputs which aren't run through the delay lines Short description: a 21st century interactive Alvin Lucier setup! I'm still fine-tuning as well as expanding this approach, so again here come more questions: * Does anyone know of a (if possible free or cheap) feedback destroyer as a VST plugin? I'm thinking of basically a software version of the Sabine/Shure/Behringer hardware units used for live sound applications. * Is there a nice interface to send ASIO connections via a network connection (without using Steinberg Nuendo that is)? Thanks for your input! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 17:41:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j55Leip22712; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: surround looping revisited Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:42:39 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000601c56a17$7ee4c0c0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <003501c56a0d$77f2d810$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Currently, I'm trying to fight the buildup of drones (hence > my question > about feedback destroyer plugins). These do form a kind of strange > attractor for the system - meaning that independent of the > input, after > a finite time the system lands in "boooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh" mode > :-( > > Rainer Also try experimenting with Frequency Shifters (or even Pitch Shifters) with just a very slight shift to help prevent the "boooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh". Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 21:07:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56174v25978; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:07:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:07:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=CcoPbwEwh9Udu8SF3ixtEmYT7zjkB+YQVnv3c2YAxL50BHD9lu/+i9Esq2h+Rk6D; Message-ID: <410-2200561611041630@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Kris Hartung" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:10:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9409be03ed839375a196ab63933cf817a3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.144.88 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Morris mentioned this aforementioned very unusual music book in a Boston Globe article, which I probably still have because I don't throw anything away, but which I cannot find because I don't throw anything away ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/5/2005 7:15:52 AM > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > I haven't heard of that book, but it sounds intriguing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > Hey Kris! > The few Morris tunes I've heard were magical. Didn't he write this > un-sane music book based on colors? If so, where can I find it? > And congrats on your post-partum gig!!!!!!!!!! > ~Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Hartung, Kris > > To: > > Date: 6/4/2005 9:38:56 AM > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello player > > in a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping and playing > > avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe Morris. > > Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his > > CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of > > guitarists...not for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has been > > drifting these days. > > > > All hail Grover.... > > > > Kris out > > > > P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual VST > > effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very experimental > > tune I recorded. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > > > Sooo, let me guess, Oscar the Grouch and Kermit both use the DL4, Elmo > > > uses an RC-20... (follow the garanimal color theory here?) > > > > I think Big Bird once contributed to an LD thread in which he > > complained that it was hard for him to use the EDP footpedal without > > hitting several buttons at once. > > > > I come from that in-between age demographic (post-boomer, pre-gen-x) > > where when Sesame Street first aired I was old enough to think it was > > just for littler kids but young enough that adults assumed my friends > > and I would want to see it, thus setting up an archetypal resentment > > that defines my mini-generation. > > We generally preferred Batman and Gilligan's Island reruns... > > > > About a year ago I was doing some genealogical research and discovered > > > the family "secret" that my surname should actually be Grover. (Long > > story involving my great-grandfather's two wives; his > > *middle* name was Nelson...) I don't think I'm in any way related to > > the blue near/far muppet, but here's a link you might enjoy: > > > > > > Back to looping; I'm learning cello, and have an ever-deepening > > respect for Zoe and her ilk. (Keating, that is, not the muppet...) > > > > -t- > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 21:32:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j561W5t30837; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:32:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:32:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ken griffith" To: Subject: portable recorder advice... Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:35:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi.. There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, and other such things, But I was unable to find info in the archives...and with today's (mp3/Ipod) technology, minidisc has already become practically extinct. So I was wondering what other new devices you might be using or recommend to check out... Thx, kenardo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 23:53:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j563r2x21443; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Sylken with General Chaos Visuals Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:54:28 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c56a4b$70234be0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <8Sdtm.A.iNF.kh8oCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday June 8th - Sylken with Genereal Chaos Visuals Sylken (Eric Hopper), Anomalous Disturbances (Terry O'Brien, visiting from Vancouver) and URM (Jamie Todd of dreamSTATE) team up to bring you an evening of looping ambient guitar cascades, spacey synth washes, rhythmic grooves and virtual laptop soundshaping. Join Sylken at THE AMBiENT PiNG to bask in some liquid sonic paintings, spacious atmos and ambient vibes to float your mind on. The evening's eye-candy projections will be provided by General Chaos Visuals. http://sylken.ca http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com http://www.urm.ca http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "Somewhere Else" by Steve Roach & vidnaObmana We didn't get a chance to play this last week - so we'll try again! "Somewhere Else" is a 71 minute piece from the limited edition three CD Box set "Ascension Of Shadows" which was recorded live in vidnaObmana's studio in Belgium during a European visit by Roach. http://www.steveroach.com http://www.vidnaobmana.be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wednesday June 15th - John Kameel Farah and Pholde http://www.johnfarah.com http://www.pholde.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On Wednesday, June 1st, Thinkbox, the self-curating media collective from the Windsor-Detroit area, presented two solo sets folowed by a combined improvisation to conclude their night at THE AMBiENT PiNG. Sound & video artist Steve Roy started things off with a glitch-oriented set. Incorporating beats and stretched-out vocal samples, Steve pursued his fascination with the possibilities of bass sine tones by using envelopes, delays & chopper effects to vary the rhythms. Chris McNamara was scheduled to perform with Thinkbox tonight but was unable to attend. Instead, his video art, originally conceived as large-scale projection for gallery exhibition, provided the visual ambience with vibrant street scenes that matched the techno tempo of Steve's soundscapes. Other of Chris's sound/video works were played between the sets. Mark Laliberte's solo set featured textural designs that were at times lyrical. Mark's specific approach to live performance is largely improvisational. Using a laptop with the latest software for a controlled performance, he mixes things up with low-tech effects to achieve a fluid response to the moment. More info on the Thinkbox collective at http://www.thinkbox.ca http://www.marklaliberte.com http://www.lsa.umich.edu/filmvideo/faculty_staff/mcnamara.htm Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Autumn's Apple" by Darshan Ambient With the release of "Autumn's Apple" on Ben Cox's Lotuspike label, Darshan Ambient have created an engaging collection of tunes well suited for cool lounges and mornings after the night before. It's a fine example of chilled elegance & it's fast become one of my favorite releases of the year. >From start to finish, "Autumn's Apple" is a delight both sonically and emotionally. One can't help but be drawn into it's charms from the gradual build of pads and tones that blend together to create a slow melody underscored by cool beatz in opener "Azure Day", through the elegant grooves of "Rain Parade" where revolving chimes interplay with minimal piano, to the closing track "Man in the Window" using wooden percussion and vocals offset by a descending progression. Tones ebb and flow throughout the soundfield, musical phrases loop in and around themselves to create a latticework of woven beauty, and melodies both simple and complex play throughout the disc in a delicate yet groovy way while oblique motion plays underneath it all. Everything is all so carefully planned, so intricately crafted, so intimately related. It's all truly blissful. I love an album that fits in nicely with the slow sort of waking that comes on Sunday mornings, the kind of waking where you drift in and out of reality, one foot each in the dream- and material-worlds. "Autumn's Apple" is a perfect disc for that kind of duality, a perfect disc to straddle that kind of consciousness. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 5 23:54:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j563pVi21246; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:50:51 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008056@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVqM+q+3wqvE2zETLSzLiKJIzNoYgAFtaPA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2005 03:50:53.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[F00C9DD0:01C56A4A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j563os821152 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this it? http://www.aumfidelity.com/aum004.html >From the liner notes by Joe Morris: This set of pieces was originally named The Green Book. Inspired by a collection of visual graphic aids by that name created by the late composer/improviser/pianist Lowell Davidson... Lowell's Green Book was intended to be used as a guide for improvisation. It consisted of a set of color Xerox images made by the copier running on it's own without source material. The results were dense blotches of random pattern and color. Lowell considered the Green Book to be one of his most advanced devices to be used to steer himself and his players. Others included index cards with different sizes of notes (these were similar to the work of other composers from the 50s and 60s) and his invented staves which were intended to isolate certain musical zones and sounds. He also notated on materials other than paper and used methods of notating such as making holes in aluminum foil and placing it in front of a light bulb. Lowell said that by looking at the foil you could imprint the pattern of light on your synapses and then transfer the pattern to your instrument. In one of Lowell's most extreme experiments, he stared into a high wattage chrome coated light bulb every day for what he claimed was three years-I didn't know him at that time. [snip] -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:11 PM To: Hartung, Kris Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Morris mentioned this aforementioned very unusual music book in a Boston Globe article, which I probably still have because I don't throw anything away, but which I cannot find because I don't throw anything away ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/5/2005 7:15:52 AM > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > I haven't heard of that book, but it sounds intriguing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > Hey Kris! > The few Morris tunes I've heard were magical. Didn't he write this > un-sane music book based on colors? If so, where can I find it? > And congrats on your post-partum gig!!!!!!!!!! > ~Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Hartung, Kris > > To: > > Date: 6/4/2005 9:38:56 AM > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello > > player in a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping and > > playing avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe Morris. > > Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his > > CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of > > guitarists...not for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has > > been drifting these days. > > > > All hail Grover.... > > > > Kris out > > > > P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual > > VST effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very > > experimental tune I recorded. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > > > Sooo, let me guess, Oscar the Grouch and Kermit both use the DL4, > > Elmo > > > uses an RC-20... (follow the garanimal color theory here?) > > > > I think Big Bird once contributed to an LD thread in which he > > complained that it was hard for him to use the EDP footpedal without > > hitting several buttons at once. > > > > I come from that in-between age demographic (post-boomer, pre-gen-x) > > where when Sesame Street first aired I was old enough to think it > > was just for littler kids but young enough that adults assumed my > > friends and I would want to see it, thus setting up an archetypal > > resentment that defines my mini-generation. > > We generally preferred Batman and Gilligan's Island reruns... > > > > About a year ago I was doing some genealogical research and > > discovered > > > the family "secret" that my surname should actually be Grover. (Long > > story involving my great-grandfather's two wives; his > > *middle* name was Nelson...) I don't think I'm in any way related to > > the blue near/far muppet, but here's a link you might enjoy: > > > > > > Back to looping; I'm learning cello, and have an ever-deepening > > respect for Zoe and her ilk. (Keating, that is, not the muppet...) > > > > -t- > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 01:44:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j565hmq10524; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:43:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c56a5a$9853b230$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Japanese Loop Pix: New Gallery up Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:42:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For anyone interested in the pictures from my Japanese live looping tour, I have with the help of my website hosts CPR (and Jon Wagner) put up a gallery that allows for a slide show. Also, I discovered that unlike Americans, the Japanese artist don't like to be seen in preparation for their gigs, so I have taken down all the backstage 'getting ready' photographs so as not to appear disrespectful. Enjoy..............I certainly did. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 02:31:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j566UEf20306; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 02:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 02:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c56a61$1b13edb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Japanese Pix Link Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:29:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2mXtQD.A.T7E.N1-oCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doh!!!!!!! www.looppool.info/gallery/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 03:40:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j567dpe29962; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:39:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:39:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <51f01834ec0972a86e005e4b749459a0@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: Bad feedback jack maybe, maybe not? Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:39:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <5SeHyB.A.XTH.q2_oCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Echoplex is displaying a 73 and 74 randomly and often. I figured out that it is the feedback % control. It behaves this way with out anything plugged into it and with a volume pedal in it. Any similar experiences or suggestions? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 04:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j568qh511478; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:52:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:52:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c56a75$020447c0$656410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:52:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kenardo, people I ran across on the recording forums have gone crazy about this: http://www.core-sound.com/HighResRecorderNews.html They offer two things: a) a 24/192-capable SPDIF adapter which fits into a CF slot b) a two-channel micpre with phantom power and 24/192 A/D converters which connects to a) about the size of a PDA Combine this with a PDA with a CF and additional memory slot (e.g. Asus A730), install the software supplied with the thingie, put in a big memory card, connect two condensers, and you got yourself a system for field recordings the size of a PDA. Pristine quality. Stereo. Four hours capacity @ 24/96. MP3 (and afaik FLAC) coding on-the-fly. Please note that I have not tried the system myself, only passing on information I read. Specifically, I don't know a) whether this thing will work with all PDAs (and laptops) with CF slot, b) how it sounds, c) stability (SW and HW) etc. etc. Also mentioning the Asus A730 is not a recommendation as the perfect PDA for this application, it just serves as an example for a PDA with both CF and another memory card slot. Prices: you get the SPDIF interface for $199 and the micpre for $549. Add to this a PDA for $450 and a memory card for $300 and you're set. This combination lies clearly above the prices of the usual minidisc suspects, but as you can see from the price list, the most expensive part is the micpre/converter. And you even get a modern PDA out of the deal for free ;) And sound-quality-wise, this combo does not compete with the minidisc variants, but rather with recorders like the Marantz PMD671 and Fostex FR-2 - both of which have a price tag well above $1000... Of course, there are the beefed-up MP3 players (like the ones by Rio, Cowon and Archos). If they offer the possibility to record audio, what they lack in is mostly quality micpres and, to a lesser extent, A/D converters. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken griffith" To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:35 AM Subject: portable recorder advice... > > Hi.. > There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of > portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, and > other such things, But I was unable to find info in the archives...and > with > today's (mp3/Ipod) technology, minidisc has already become practically > extinct. So I was wondering what other new devices you might be using or > recommend to check out... > > Thx, kenardo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 05:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j568xiE13704; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c56a74$8369b260$656410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:48:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kenardo, people I ran across on the recording forums have gone crazy about this: http://www.core-sound.com/HighResRecorderNews.html They offer two things: a) a 24/192-capable SPDIF adapter which fits into a CF slot b) a two-channel micpre with phantom power and 24/192 A/D converters which connects to a) about the size of a PDA Combine this with a PDA with a CF and additional memory slot (e.g. Asus A730), install the software supplied with the thingie, put in a big memory card, connect two condensers, and you got yourself a system for field recordings the size of a PDA. Pristine quality. Stereo. Four hours capacity @ 24/96. MP3 (and afaik FLAC) coding on-the-fly. Please note that I have not tried the system myself, only passing on information I read. Specifically, I don't know a) whether this thing will work with all PDAs (and laptops) with CF slot, b) how it sounds, c) stability (SW and HW) etc. etc. Also mentioning the Asus A730 is not a recommendation as the perfect PDA for this application, it just serves as an example for a PDA with both CF and another memory card slot. Prices: you get the SPDIF interface for $199 and the micpre for $549. Add to this a PDA for $450 and a memory card for $300 and you're set. This combination lies clearly above the prices of the usual minidisc suspects, but as you can see from the price list, the most expensive part is the micpre/converter. And you even get a modern PDA out of the deal for free ;) And sound-quality-wise, this combo does not compete with the minidisc variants, but rather with recorders like the Marantz PMD671 and Fostex FR-2 - both of which have a price tag well above $1000... Of course, there are the beefed-up MP3 players (like the ones by Rio, Cowon and Archos). If they offer the possibility to record audio, what they lack in is mostly quality micpres and, to a lesser extent, A/D converters. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken griffith" To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:35 AM Subject: portable recorder advice... > > Hi.. > There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of > portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, and > other such things, But I was unable to find info in the archives...and > with > today's (mp3/Ipod) technology, minidisc has already become practically > extinct. So I was wondering what other new devices you might be using or > recommend to check out... > > Thx, kenardo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 05:22:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j569KZI17271; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:20:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c56a78$ef5f09d0$656410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: <000601c56a17$7ee4c0c0$1602a8c0@studio> Subject: Re: surround looping revisited Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:20:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent idea, thanks! Do you have any in praxi experiences about shift values I might use? (meaning enough to avoid the booooh but small enough so not to completely whack my signal). Even with small shift values, it might make sense to reverse the shifting direction from time to time. After all, shifting by one cent (averaged for the "normal" frequency range) will lead to a one-octave shift after three hours of running this through a ten-second delay line. (I did some sound experiments in this field with one of the algorithms of the Eclipse which combines a pitch shifter with a delay line and various feedback paths, one of them around the shifter/delay series connection. Using this feeding a big reverb, you could record a loop both with a "normal" loop recorder (say: repeater) and the Eclipse and after playing with a groovy loop, its reverb signal would slowly climb and climb...) I'll try the frequency shifter thing right when I get home - together with automation of the shift parameter in AudioMulch. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott M2" To: Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: RE: surround looping revisited > >> Currently, I'm trying to fight the buildup of drones (hence >> my question >> about feedback destroyer plugins). These do form a kind of strange >> attractor for the system - meaning that independent of the >> input, after >> a finite time the system lands in "boooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh" mode >> :-( >> >> Rainer > > Also try experimenting with Frequency Shifters (or even Pitch Shifters) > with just a very slight shift to help prevent the > "boooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh". > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 09:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56Dkfq02754; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8289628f4ccae0dc1ffdea998161a62a@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam: Travis Hartnett (WA, OR) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:40:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed954696667efb2580d0ecab00a98357599350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Three public acoustic guitar looping shows this week: Tuesday, June 7, 7PM The Living Room in Fremont (4301 Fremont Avenue, Seattle WA) My last show here as they're closing down at the end of the month. The owners are moving across the street where they'll be spending the rest of the year fixing up their much larger new space in the old church building which has been serving as a half-way house. Friday, June 10, 7PM Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE Division, Portland, OR) I'll be playing two sets here (www.redandblackcafe.com), one with singer-songwriter David Bavas (www.davidbavas.com) and one of my usual solo instrumental material. Saturday, June 11, 7PM Mandolin Cafe (3923 S. 12th Street, Tacoma WA) Another solo show at the cozy Mandolin Cafe (www.themandolincafe.com), Tacoma's best kept secret acoustic music venue. Admission to all these shows is free. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 10:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56EKOs08279; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:20:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:20:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OJXwasaFAHWulAzKGCCIFwh2Okfp5uLd1wx8s/f7G3PJzj59n0iCkUemysdnapXShyo2B75KwUkcUKdkumzegm1SBJcwptxfO9DBBC37leFKoEEfTJXBaZyN5AKh98b+zwuY7kQ2V+PQ5Hv/L6kDGi+CipvVPNe4K0m363F2oyY= Message-ID: <588ce11d05060607196f93bef1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:19:11 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j56EJB808125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are two compact flash recorders in the $500 range. They both have built in mics as well as mic inputs (The Marantz has XLR mic inputs), and offer wav and mp3 recording. While I haven't used them, they would be what I would look at if I was replacing my minidisc recorder: Edirol R1: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html Marantz PMD660: http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3629&CatID=19&SubCatID=180 Minidisc still seems the most cost effective. On 6/5/05, ken griffith wrote: > > Hi.. > There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of > portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, and > other such things, But I was unable to find info in the archives...and with > today's (mp3/Ipod) technology, minidisc has already become practically > extinct. So I was wondering what other new devices you might be using or > recommend to check out... > > Thx, kenardo > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 10:44:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56EhuB12080; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:43:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:43:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Japanese Loop Pix: New Gallery up Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:09:23 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100805F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Japanese Loop Pix: New Gallery up thread-index: AcVqWsIIg03TqapBSCCrRyJFGTzQVAAAW21Q From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2005 06:09:26.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AE5C750:01C56A5E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j56Eh9811857 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the Queen with the baloons over his/her head. Love the goths too. :) Got enough of 7-11 cuisine? Did you get a pic of Mr. Taiki? That would have been a good one...a satanis in the LeVayian mode? Heh heh... You mentioned avant-garde in your journal...can you elaborate? Like avant-garde in the free jazz experimental sense, or something else more electronica? Very cool Rick. Thanks for sharing. Love this comment of yours: "It's always difficult in pure improvisation, particularly with somewhat formless musical forms, to really give yourself to the moment (fears of sucking, et. al.) but I just let go and surf it and it becomes a thing of wonder." I can relate. Cheers, Kris -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:43 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Japanese Loop Pix: New Gallery up For anyone interested in the pictures from my Japanese live looping tour, I have with the help of my website hosts CPR (and Jon Wagner) put up a gallery that allows for a slide show. Also, I discovered that unlike Americans, the Japanese artist don't like to be seen in preparation for their gigs, so I have taken down all the backstage 'getting ready' photographs so as not to appear disrespectful. Enjoy..............I certainly did. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 10:57:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56EtUQ14452; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1118069685!14671764!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A114@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: headrush v2 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C56AA7.D69F3D50" Resent-Message-ID: <8He4FB.A.1gD.4OGpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C56AA7.D69F3D50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 13:52:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56HpUd16301; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:50:16 -0700 Subject: Re: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008040@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <70F9577E-D6B3-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 5, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Well, I finally got around to playing a gig with the lion's share of my > prior rack setup replaced with the laptop computer and VST effects. > Below is a link to an avant-garde, free style improvisational piece > (Track 2) recorded live on June 2. I wasn't yet comfortable with all > the > VST effects I had at my disposal, so I'm trying out a lot of presets on > this particular tune. The other 3 tunes are fine too, if you are > interested in downloading them. > Nice, nice stuff, these are going onto the Ipod for further study... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 13:57:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56HoOO16133; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:49:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: The dangers of live laptop looping... From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4D5BC02C-D6B3-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been taking my laptop, a P4 1.8G IBM ThinkPad, out to gigs with my band for the last few months, mostly using it to trigger some pre-recorded loops in Ableton Live. Lately, I've decided I wanted to do some live looping of my bass as well, so I put together a Live Set that has Ellotronix XL, Mobius, Supatrigger, and a few Pluggo plugs as a live looping/manipulation/devastation-station. Worked up a looping solo that would be the intro to one of our new tunes, actually a cover of an Ethiopian pop/jazz tune from the 70's. Anyway, played with it a lot in the studio, took it to the gig Friday night, and all was cool, other than accidentally nudging the knob assigned to the "Silence" function in Supertrigger, setting it to a very high value and briefly causing some severe dropouts. Otherwise, totally cool, got a great response, the band dug it, etc... So, anyway, I take it to the gig Saturday, and all works fine during soundcheck, I even demo the looping setup for a friend who is a student in the U of Oregon electronic music program. We start our first set, and the tune before the the tune with my bass solo has me triggering some tabla loops from the Live. Since the laptop wasn't used for since soundcheck, it had gone to sleep, and Live never works, at least on this machine, when waking up from sleep. So I spend the rest of the tune desperately trying to reboot the computer, while playing bass, which kind of takes both hands. The tune is in E, so I can pedal on an open E string while I force-quit Live and reboot. The computer is just coming back up when we finish the tune. I signal the trumpet player to kill some time while I get setup, and wait for what seems like an eternity while Live loads the Set. I believe that VST's made in Synth Edit, like Ellotronix, take a while longer to load, at least on this machine. When it seems like Tim just can't fill any more time without telling a joke, and trust me, you never want that to happen onstage, and the set STILL isn't loaded, I start my solo. Sometime into the solo, the set finally wakes up, and I see signal going into Live, and signal coming out on the meters, but, no sound. So I'm desperatley trying to play a solo, tweak my mixer and MIDI controller, and about to give up, when, all of a sudden, the last bit I've played in the solo comes out booming, So I pull the volume down to a reasonable level, wrap up the solo, start the tune, and, later in the tune, take a raging fuzz-bass solo to clear up some of the built-up frustration. Moral of the story? Turn off the freaking Sleep function, dummy! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 14:13:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56IBG820427; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: The dangers of live laptop looping... Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:10:23 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008158@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The dangers of live laptop looping... thread-index: AcVqwEBvNSg63a4vTQed5EnWGL7uWwAAktJw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2005 18:10:25.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[03165790:01C56AC3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j56IAnQ20362 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my...yes, I had a similar problem once running ProTools. I'm all wireless at home, and so when I went to the venue my wirless system was searching endlessly for an access point...apparently distracted the system enough to product all sorts of errors and crashes. Turned the wirless antenna off and everything was smooth. ...but more importantly, you were using Mobius and some other VSTs. What VST host were you using to run them? Did you just run Mobius as your last VST plugin before heading off to the output of your soundcard or audio device? Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The dangers of live laptop looping... I've been taking my laptop, a P4 1.8G IBM ThinkPad, out to gigs with my band for the last few months, mostly using it to trigger some pre-recorded loops in Ableton Live. Lately, I've decided I wanted to do some live looping of my bass as well, so I put together a Live Set that has Ellotronix XL, Mobius, Supatrigger, and a few Pluggo plugs as a live looping/manipulation/devastation-station. Worked up a looping solo that would be the intro to one of our new tunes, actually a cover of an Ethiopian pop/jazz tune from the 70's. Anyway, played with it a lot in the studio, took it to the gig Friday night, and all was cool, other than accidentally nudging the knob assigned to the "Silence" function in Supertrigger, setting it to a very high value and briefly causing some severe dropouts. Otherwise, totally cool, got a great response, the band dug it, etc... So, anyway, I take it to the gig Saturday, and all works fine during soundcheck, I even demo the looping setup for a friend who is a student in the U of Oregon electronic music program. We start our first set, and the tune before the the tune with my bass solo has me triggering some tabla loops from the Live. Since the laptop wasn't used for since soundcheck, it had gone to sleep, and Live never works, at least on this machine, when waking up from sleep. So I spend the rest of the tune desperately trying to reboot the computer, while playing bass, which kind of takes both hands. The tune is in E, so I can pedal on an open E string while I force-quit Live and reboot. The computer is just coming back up when we finish the tune. I signal the trumpet player to kill some time while I get setup, and wait for what seems like an eternity while Live loads the Set. I believe that VST's made in Synth Edit, like Ellotronix, take a while longer to load, at least on this machine. When it seems like Tim just can't fill any more time without telling a joke, and trust me, you never want that to happen onstage, and the set STILL isn't loaded, I start my solo. Sometime into the solo, the set finally wakes up, and I see signal going into Live, and signal coming out on the meters, but, no sound. So I'm desperatley trying to play a solo, tweak my mixer and MIDI controller, and about to give up, when, all of a sudden, the last bit I've played in the solo comes out booming, So I pull the volume down to a reasonable level, wrap up the solo, start the tune, and, later in the tune, take a raging fuzz-bass solo to clear up some of the built-up frustration. Moral of the story? Turn off the freaking Sleep function, dummy! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 14:17:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56IGW621057; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:15:41 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100815E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips thread-index: AcVqwGCH60n4tn8gRa24I6gYeBG3sgAAqlHg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2005 18:15:42.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[C058CFE0:01C56AC3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j56IG6Q21002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. You'll see that I named the tunes too! Track 1 - Aquarium Track 2 - Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo Track 3 - Amorphous-Funkorphis Track 4 - Indidgenous There is a Pluggo VST on song 2 that I totally love, called Squirell Parade. Hilarious, Bill Frisellish, cartoonish sound. You play a note and it does all sorts of "squirelly" octave modulations to the output, seemingly random. It's not on the songs, but the Sun Ra VST is totally cool! It works great as an in-between set background music generator. You tweak the presets ad infinitum and create some rather interesting sequences. Anyone using that? Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips On Sunday, June 5, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Well, I finally got around to playing a gig with the lion's share of > my prior rack setup replaced with the laptop computer and VST effects. > Below is a link to an avant-garde, free style improvisational piece > (Track 2) recorded live on June 2. I wasn't yet comfortable with all > the VST effects I had at my disposal, so I'm trying out a lot of > presets on this particular tune. The other 3 tunes are fine too, if > you are interested in downloading them. > Nice, nice stuff, these are going onto the Ipod for further study... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 14:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56IOFM21938; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:24:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:24:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:23:37 -0700 Subject: Re: The dangers of live laptop looping... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008158@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <19D539CC-D6B8-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Oh my...yes, I had a similar problem once running ProTools. I'm all > wireless at home, and so when I went to the venue my wirless system was > searching endlessly for an access point...apparently distracted the > system enough to product all sorts of errors and crashes. Turned the > wirless antenna off and everything was smooth. Fortunately, my laptop was so cheap that it doesn't include wireless, I have to use a pcmcia card for WiFi. Since I use an Indigo Echo as a sound card, that fills the PCMCIA card so I have no cahnce of accidentally running WiFI at the same time. I guess that's a good thing :-) > > ...but more importantly, you were using Mobius and some other VSTs. > What > VST host were you using to run them? Did you just run Mobius as your > last VST plugin before heading off to the output of your soundcard or > audio device? > I'm using Ableton Live as a host, with one effects loop running Ellotronix XL->Supatrigger->Pluggo Granular To Go, and the second running Mobius->Ableton Autofilter->Ableton Ping Pong Delay. I have a Novation UC 33 USB fader box that controls, among other things, the level of the input, in this case my bass, sent to the effects loops, and controlling various parameters of the plugins. I like this setup because once a loop is captured, I can tweak with it so it's not so static. Or, in the case of Supatrigger, the plugin itself can algorithmically screw with the loop, even better. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 14:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56IZ3O23188; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:35:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:35:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:34:26 EDT Subject: Re: The dangers of live laptop looping... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a3.75158cd4.2fd5f132_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a3.75158cd4.2fd5f132_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:57:10 PM Central Standard Time, improv@peak.org writes: > When it seems like Tim just can't fill any more time without > telling a joke, and trust me, you never want that to happen onstage, > and the set STILL isn't loaded, I start my solo Money for nothing and your chicks for free. --part1_a3.75158cd4.2fd5f132_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message=20= dated 6/6/2005 12:57:10 PM Central Standard Time, improv@peak.org writes:


When it seems like Tim just= can't fill any more time without=20
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and the set STILL isn't loaded, I start my solo

Money for nothing and your chicks for free. --part1_a3.75158cd4.2fd5f132_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 14:44:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56Ii5h24232; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: The dangers of live laptop looping... Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:44:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c56ac7$d6b96e80$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D5BC02C-D6B3-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear David, dear Kris, there's this site musicxp.net with pointers as how to make your computer apt for music applications. Among the pointers are: * turn of wireless networks * turn of sleep, hibernation and similair stuff. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 14:48:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56IjjC24517; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:45:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050606184433.53980.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: The dangers of live laptop looping... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're better off having your show laptop NEVER hooked to the internet for any reason AND make sure Sleep, and any Screen saver apps are off. Then there's the situation where you do everything right and turning on your crashed cd player (a numark Axis 9) crashes your computer. True story. Why? No one at Numark could say, but every once and a while it would startup and not function correctly. (the Numark CDX that replaced it has no such problems) Remember, even a tubeamp can die during a show (though it's less likely) It's best to just not be freaked out by it on stage and try and laugh it off and make a joke. Mark --- David Trenkel wrote: > On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Hartung, Kris > wrote: > > > Oh my...yes, I had a similar problem once running > ProTools. I'm all > > wireless at home, and so when I went to the venue > my wirless system was > > searching endlessly for an access > point...apparently distracted the > > system enough to product all sorts of errors and > crashes. Turned the > > wirless antenna off and everything was smooth. > > Fortunately, my laptop was so cheap that it doesn't > include wireless, I > have to use a pcmcia card for WiFi. Since I use an > Indigo Echo as a > sound card, that fills the PCMCIA card so I have no > cahnce of > accidentally running WiFI at the same time. I guess > that's a good thing > :-) > > > > > ...but more importantly, you were using Mobius and > some other VSTs. > > What > > VST host were you using to run them? Did you just > run Mobius as your > > last VST plugin before heading off to the output > of your soundcard or > > audio device? > > > I'm using Ableton Live as a host, with one effects > loop running > Ellotronix XL->Supatrigger->Pluggo Granular To Go, > and the second > running Mobius->Ableton Autofilter->Ableton Ping > Pong Delay. I have a > Novation UC 33 USB fader box that controls, among > other things, the > level of the input, in this case my bass, sent to > the effects loops, > and controlling various parameters of the plugins. I > like this setup > because once a loop is captured, I can tweak with it > so it's not so > static. Or, in the case of Supatrigger, the plugin > itself can > algorithmically screw with the loop, even better. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 14:49:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56Ih2M24069; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:43:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:43:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:40:56 -0700 Subject: Re: The dangers of live laptop looping... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-189619720 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <84FFBD6C-D6BA-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-189619720 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Needfreed@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:57:10 PM Central Standard Time, > improv@peak.org writes: > > > When it seems like Tim just can't fill any more time without > telling a joke, and trust me, you never want that to happen onstage, > and the set STILL isn't loaded, I start my solo > > > > > Money for nothing and your chicks for free. Money? Chicks? Man, we evidently aren't playing the same gigs :-) --Apple-Mail-2-189619720 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Needfreed@wmconnect.com wrote: ArialIn a message dated 6/6/2005 12:57:10 PM Central Standard Time, improv@peak.org writes: When it seems like Tim just can't fill any more time without telling a joke, and trust me, you never want that to happen onstage, and the set STILL isn't loaded, I start my solo Arial0000,0000,0000Money for nothing and your chicks for free. Money? Chicks? Man, we evidently aren't playing the same gigs :-) --Apple-Mail-2-189619720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 15:01:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56J02h27451; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:00:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:00:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:59:25 -0700 Subject: Re: AW: The dangers of live laptop looping... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c56ac7$d6b96e80$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Message-Id: <1A050E14-D6BD-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear David, dear Kris, > > there's this site musicxp.net with pointers as how to make your > computer > apt for music applications. Among the pointers are: > > * turn of wireless networks > * turn of sleep, hibernation and similair stuff. > > Rainer > > Yeah, the worst part of this is that I know all that, and was too lazy, too busy, whatever, to do all of it. The computer had been running fine for several months worth of gigs, so I guess I got a little complacent. Live and learn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 15:03:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56J0KS27476; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-ME-UUID: 20050606185911456.6F7217000082@mwinf1501.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <29846846.1118084351446.JavaMail.www@wwinf1504> From: Patrick EL MELIANI Reply-To: patrick.elmeliani@wanadoo.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ultralink Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15931_23843450.1118084351437" X-Originating-IP: [80.11.105.234] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_15931_23843450.1118084351437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody , I'm new to the list and I want to share a trick from my" looping station" , and please excuse my english. I use the berhinger ultralink to plug all my equipment and rout the signal like I want .maybe some of you have heard about the ultralink , it's a very interresting product : it's a mixer and a splitter . it has a stereo input and output , and 6 channels you can set like a mixer or a splitter. here's my setup: the original signal come from the send (fx loop )of my preamp and goes to the left input of the stereo input of the ultralink , from the 6th channel as a splitter , it goes to a DD20 then return ( only the delayed signal ) in the right input of the stereo input of the ultralink , then it goes from the first and 2nd channels as a splitter to two differents effects who return in channels 3 and 4 as a mixer , so I can send to the effects the dry or the wet or both signal from the stereo input ( each channel has a panpot so you can choose what signal you want to split from the stereo input ) , channels 3 and 4 are mixed and go back to my preamp by the left output of the ultralink but I send from the right output this signal also to a second delay who is return in the channel 5 as a mixer ( delayed signal only ). Like this I can loop a clean signal from my preamp , I can send the wet or dry signal in any effect ( I can have my inst in effect A and my delayed signal in effect B ) all is going back to my amp and I can loop a signal from the 2 effects in my second delay then send it back to my preamp too! The sound is very good no noise buzz etc at all , the ultralink is very transparent and noiseless . trust me so if you have problems to find a good setup ( noise , -10 +4 db conversion , or other ) try this ! enjoy Pat ------=_Part_15931_23843450.1118084351437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi everybody , I'm new to the list and I want to share a trick from my" looping station" , and please excuse my english.

I use the berhinger ultralink to plug all my equipment and rout the signal like I want .maybe some of you have heard about the ultralink , it's a very interresting product : it's a mixer and a splitter . it has a stereo input and output , and 6 channels you can set like a mixer or a splitter.

here's my setup: the original signal come from the send (fx loop )of my preamp and goes to the left input of the stereo input of the ultralink , from the 6th channel as a splitter , it goes to a DD20 then return ( only the delayed signal )  in the right input of the stereo input of the ultralink , then it goes from the first and 2nd channels as a splitter to two differents effects who return in channels 3 and 4 as a mixer , so I can send to the effects the dry or the wet or both signal from the stereo input ( each channel has a panpot so you can choose what signal you want to split from the stereo input ) , channels 3 and 4 are mixed and go back to my preamp by the left output of the ultralink but I send from the right output this signal also to a second delay who is return in the channel 5 as a mixer ( delayed signal only ).

Like this I can loop a clean signal from my preamp , I can send the wet or dry signal in any effect ( I can have my inst in effect A and my delayed signal in effect B )

all is going back to my amp and I can loop a signal from the 2 effects in my second delay then send it back to my preamp too!

The sound is very good no noise buzz etc at all , the ultralink is  very transparent and noiseless . trust me

so if you have problems to find a good setup ( noise , -10 +4 db conversion , or other ) try this !

enjoy

Pat

------=_Part_15931_23843450.1118084351437-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 15:20:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56JCas28750; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:12:00 -0700 Subject: Re: The dangers of live laptop looping... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050606184433.53980.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > Remember, even a tubeamp can die during a show (though > it's less likely) Actually, I have incontrovertible proof that tube amps, specifically early-60s Fenders, can fail onstage when an overzealous roadie/merch person trips over the power cord and tips over the amp, spilling the beer placed atop the amp into the open back of the cabinet. However, Hammond B3's have been known to survive dousings with Venti Lattes. > It's best to just not be freaked > out by it on stage and try and laugh it off and make a > joke. Absolutely. A musician friend of mine in the audience for the show Saturday said he really enjoyed my noise solo. So I guess it connected in some way... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 15:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56JoWq00797; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c56ad0$d6a5a950$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100815E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My New Laptop System and Live Sound Clips Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:48:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's not on the songs, but the Sun Ra VST is totally cool! It works > great as an in-between set background music generator. You tweak the > presets ad infinitum and create some rather interesting sequences. > Anyone using that? Yeah, I've played with it a bit. Very cool effect. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 15:53:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56JoT700794; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:50:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:49:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: OT: New CD info online From: David Trenkel To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1F9658DC-D6C4-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey LD-folks, I just got some info for my band Eleven Eyes' new CD "Scope" online, including some downloadable mp3's. take a look at: http://www.newandimprov.com/music.html Our official website, www.eleveneyes.org is apparently lost somewhere in domain-transfer limbo at the moment, and the link to buy from CDBaby is not-quite-live either. Hope to see some of you in California next week! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 16:21:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56KJok06052; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:20:21 -0800 Subject: Re: The dangers of live laptop looping... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: >> > >> Remember, even a tubeamp can die during a show (though >> it's less likely) Dave Trenkei wrote: > Actually, I have incontrovertible proof that tube amps, specifically > early-60s Fenders, can fail onstage when an overzealous roadie/merch > person trips over the power cord and tips over the amp, spilling the > beer placed atop the amp into the open back of the cabinet. However, > Hammond B3's have been known to survive dousings with Venti Lattes. > i learned way-long time ago ~no beverage placed above the level of yer amps-efx~ somehow gravity affects things more forcefully at that particular height. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 17:18:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56LHQC16631; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:17:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: New CD info online Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:16:06 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010081B6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New CD info online thread-index: AcVq0QptIqBdEKFQQfq160tpzU6yNAAC26Ow From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2005 21:16:07.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4A79560:01C56ADC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j56LGAQ16473 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice!!! Now that's fusion... The horns and sax solos are out of this world. Very modern and hip stuff. You guys would double bill great with Cannonball from San Francisco. Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:50 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: New CD info online Hey LD-folks, I just got some info for my band Eleven Eyes' new CD "Scope" online, including some downloadable mp3's. take a look at: http://www.newandimprov.com/music.html Our official website, www.eleveneyes.org is apparently lost somewhere in domain-transfer limbo at the moment, and the link to buy from CDBaby is not-quite-live either. Hope to see some of you in California next week! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 17:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56LtFG25852; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lZaCu4PqWhc20vkYgRCFxHSXxE8PT5iKCSbTkO2SgEh8K/KlHu3RqBXcqhyBnf7TE4Y6xvyt5QxuoNChwTha0hsFIe/ai14Fu70cNi6s2EvfDq05RRNN8sJElO/fRGrYFA+CfoE0aKG1uFFkmVhFOT78kBRmhlKR8T3TYw6EpYA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:53:12 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein Reply-To: Neil Goldstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New CD info online In-Reply-To: <1F9658DC-D6C4-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1F9658DC-D6C4-11D9-B6EB-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j56Ls6Q25752 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congrats on the album completion, Dave Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 18:40:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56MdOY31447; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:39:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:39:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2536.206.163.94.164.1115419165.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010081B6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.ne t> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010081B6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: New CD info online From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 2.354 (**) DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX,NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Nice!!! Now that's fusion... > > The horns and sax solos are out of this world. Very modern and hip > stuff. You guys would double bill great with Cannonball from San > Francisco. I'll have to look them up. We're always looking for cool bands that share our kind of left-of-fusion perspective. We're playing in San Francisco later this week,with a band called Grand Groovement, don't know anything about them but the few clips on their website sounded pretty hip. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 19:00:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j56MxQq02535; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:59:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GNwfcPiM7ARvCJmQgjMHEiEw7/fJfudVQZOSqvwReOD1mJBwdpTG8MwN2ApDw4kA/GyCvFJkeydPgRWencLZ8z3oegZ58vajKAiQl7Oxb3zS+9SZD8oWjCzng3PEycrRoMscdPPPJt8QdEjIOpMNsUjM8m2n1D2vfsV9MrdPJ5A= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:58:13 -0700 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The dangers of live laptop looping... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j56MwJQ00957 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It helps to have drinks stands >below< equipment level in the studio too. bIz On 6/6/05, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> > > > >> Remember, even a tubeamp can die during a show (though > >> it's less likely) > > Dave Trenkei wrote: > > > Actually, I have incontrovertible proof that tube amps, specifically > > early-60s Fenders, can fail onstage when an overzealous roadie/merch > > person trips over the power cord and tips over the amp, spilling the > > beer placed atop the amp into the open back of the cabinet. However, > > Hammond B3's have been known to survive dousings with Venti Lattes. > > > > i learned way-long time ago ~no beverage placed above the level of yer > amps-efx~ > somehow gravity affects things more forcefully at that particular height. > s > > -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:20:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407bd393d186ea00dbb9de76255bcce994350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.161.50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Kris! Yes, although I've never seen this book, I am reasonably certain that this is it...kind of a musical version of "The Humument." Now to get myself a copy... I have a very very visual sense of creativity, and I get a lot of inspiration from visual images, much as Billy Gibbons, art-school boy that he is, fills the studio with cool-looking things when he records an album. ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/5/2005 11:51:37 PM > Subject: RE: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > Is this it? > > http://www.aumfidelity.com/aum004.html > > From the liner notes by Joe Morris: > This set of pieces was originally named The Green Book. Inspired by a > collection of visual graphic aids by that name created by the late > composer/improviser/pianist Lowell Davidson... Lowell's Green Book was > intended to be used as a guide for improvisation. It consisted of a set > of color Xerox images made by the copier running on it's own without > source material. The results were dense blotches of random pattern and > color. Lowell considered the Green Book to be one of his most advanced > devices to be used to steer himself and his players. Others included > index cards with different sizes of notes (these were similar to the > work of other composers from the 50s and 60s) and his invented staves > which were intended to isolate certain musical zones and sounds. He also > notated on materials other than paper and used methods of notating such > as making holes in aluminum foil and placing it in front of a light > bulb. Lowell said that by looking at the foil you could imprint the > pattern of light on your synapses and then transfer the pattern to your > instrument. In one of Lowell's most extreme experiments, he stared into > a high wattage chrome coated light bulb every day for what he claimed > was three years-I didn't know him at that time. [snip] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:11 PM > To: Hartung, Kris > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > Morris mentioned this aforementioned very unusual music book in a Boston > Globe article, which I probably still have because I don't throw > anything away, but which I cannot find because I don't throw anything > away ;-) ~Tim > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Hartung, Kris > > To: > > Date: 6/5/2005 7:15:52 AM > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > I haven't heard of that book, but it sounds intriguing. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:38 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > Hey Kris! > > The few Morris tunes I've heard were magical. Didn't he write this > > un-sane music book based on colors? If so, where can I find it? > > And congrats on your post-partum gig!!!!!!!!!! > > ~Tim > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Hartung, Kris > > > To: > > > Date: 6/4/2005 9:38:56 AM > > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > > > You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello > > > player in a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping and > > > > playing avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe > Morris. > > > Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his > > > CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of > > > guitarists...not for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has > > > been drifting these days. > > > > > > All hail Grover.... > > > > > > Kris out > > > > > > P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual > > > VST effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very > > > experimental tune I recorded. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > > > > > > Sooo, let me guess, Oscar the Grouch and Kermit both use the DL4, > > > Elmo > > > > > uses an RC-20... (follow the garanimal color theory here?) > > > > > > I think Big Bird once contributed to an LD thread in which he > > > complained that it was hard for him to use the EDP footpedal without > > > > hitting several buttons at once. > > > > > > I come from that in-between age demographic (post-boomer, pre-gen-x) > > > > where when Sesame Street first aired I was old enough to think it > > > was just for littler kids but young enough that adults assumed my > > > friends and I would want to see it, thus setting up an archetypal > > > resentment that defines my mini-generation. > > > We generally preferred Batman and Gilligan's Island reruns... > > > > > > About a year ago I was doing some genealogical research and > > > discovered > > > > > the family "secret" that my surname should actually be Grover. (Long > > > > story involving my great-grandfather's two wives; his > > > *middle* name was Nelson...) I don't think I'm in any way related to > > > > the blue near/far muppet, but here's a link you might enjoy: > > > > > > > > > Back to looping; I'm learning cello, and have an ever-deepening > > > respect for Zoe and her ilk. (Keating, that is, not the muppet...) > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 6 22:28:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j572RCx30327; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:27:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:26:32 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010081F3@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVrBunNAYPnv9hRRFCG3u4u3edTZAAAOifg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2005 02:26:34.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[5315B890:01C56B08] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j572QiQ30209 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is why I like performing with painters, which I do most of the time at one of my recurring gigs. http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/KRIS-MIK.JPG It just feels good to create musical art simultaneous with visual art....abstract soundscape with abstract landscape. Perhaps you could bring a laptop computer and a program that creates random visual stimuli for you, eh? Kris -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Thanks, Kris! Yes, although I've never seen this book, I am reasonably certain that this is it...kind of a musical version of "The Humument." Now to get myself a copy... I have a very very visual sense of creativity, and I get a lot of inspiration from visual images, much as Billy Gibbons, art-school boy that he is, fills the studio with cool-looking things when he records an album. ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/5/2005 11:51:37 PM > Subject: RE: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > Is this it? > > http://www.aumfidelity.com/aum004.html > > From the liner notes by Joe Morris: > This set of pieces was originally named The Green Book. Inspired by a > collection of visual graphic aids by that name created by the late > composer/improviser/pianist Lowell Davidson... Lowell's Green Book was > intended to be used as a guide for improvisation. It consisted of a > set of color Xerox images made by the copier running on it's own > without source material. The results were dense blotches of random > pattern and color. Lowell considered the Green Book to be one of his > most advanced devices to be used to steer himself and his players. > Others included index cards with different sizes of notes (these were > similar to the work of other composers from the 50s and 60s) and his > invented staves which were intended to isolate certain musical zones > and sounds. He also notated on materials other than paper and used > methods of notating such as making holes in aluminum foil and placing > it in front of a light bulb. Lowell said that by looking at the foil > you could imprint the pattern of light on your synapses and then > transfer the pattern to your instrument. In one of Lowell's most > extreme experiments, he stared into a high wattage chrome coated light > bulb every day for what he claimed was three years-I didn't know him > at that time. [snip] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:11 PM > To: Hartung, Kris > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Joe Morris's unusual book RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > Morris mentioned this aforementioned very unusual music book in a > Boston Globe article, which I probably still have because I don't > throw anything away, but which I cannot find because I don't throw > anything away ;-) ~Tim > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Hartung, Kris > > To: > > Date: 6/5/2005 7:15:52 AM > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > I haven't heard of that book, but it sounds intriguing. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:38 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > Hey Kris! > > The few Morris tunes I've heard were magical. Didn't he write this > > un-sane music book based on colors? If so, where can I find it? > > And congrats on your post-partum gig!!!!!!!!!! > > ~Tim > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Hartung, Kris > > > To: > > > Date: 6/4/2005 9:38:56 AM > > > Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > > > You're leaning cello? Move to Boise asap. I can't find a cello > > > player in a 300 miles square radius who is interested in looping > > > and > > > > playing avant-garde music...sort of like Kronos Quartet meets Joe > Morris. > > > Anyone guitar players out there listen to Joe? I have a few of his > > > CDs...he's kind like the Cecil Taylor or Eric Dolphy of > > > guitarists...not for everyone, but seems to be where my mind has > > > been drifting these days. > > > > > > All hail Grover.... > > > > > > Kris out > > > > > > P.S. I had my first gig a few days ago with my laptop and virtual > > > VST effect rack. I'll post a soundclip this week of a very > > > experimental tune I recorded. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here > > > > > > > > > Sooo, let me guess, Oscar the Grouch and Kermit both use the DL4, > > > Elmo > > > > > uses an RC-20... (follow the garanimal color theory here?) > > > > > > I think Big Bird once contributed to an LD thread in which he > > > complained that it was hard for him to use the EDP footpedal > > > without > > > > hitting several buttons at once. > > > > > > I come from that in-between age demographic (post-boomer, > > > pre-gen-x) > > > > where when Sesame Street first aired I was old enough to think it > > > was just for littler kids but young enough that adults assumed my > > > friends and I would want to see it, thus setting up an archetypal > > > resentment that defines my mini-generation. > > > We generally preferred Batman and Gilligan's Island reruns... > > > > > > About a year ago I was doing some genealogical research and > > > discovered > > > > > the family "secret" that my surname should actually be Grover. > > > (Long > > > > story involving my great-grandfather's two wives; his > > > *middle* name was Nelson...) I don't think I'm in any way related > > > to > > > > the blue near/far muppet, but here's a link you might enjoy: > > > > > > > > > Back to looping; I'm learning cello, and have an ever-deepening > > > respect for Zoe and her ilk. (Keating, that is, not the muppet...) > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 03:16:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j577FtI05055; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:15:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <1LCWOB.A.3NB.JmUpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:35, ken griffith wrote: > Hi.. > There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of > portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, > and > other such things, But I was unable to find info in the > archives...and with > today's (mp3/Ipod) technology, minidisc has already become practically > extinct. So I was wondering what other new devices you might be > using or > recommend to check out... > > Thx, kenardo > > > > > > I'm very happy with a Casio DAT recorder. It sounds much better than iPod or mini disc! And it has digital in- an output for easy full quality transfer of recordings to computers for editing or cd burning. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 03:36:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j577YnJ06626; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> References: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 02:31:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <58JKGC.A.NlB.v2UpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >>There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of >>portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, I might as well chime in. I have a Sony PCM-M1 DAT and Core Sound Binaural mics. Check ebay for deals on both/either. It's a good quality, portable recording rig for a lot of purposes. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 06:12:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57ABnW32046; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.447544 secs Process 76201) Message-ID: <49924.213.100.44.49.1118139041.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: References: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:10:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: the screen in between From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, this is a bit off-topic but maybe some of you will have good tips. i have been thinking about getting rid of a computer, at least for a while. to rest from my small but growing addiction. also as an experiment, to see if it affects my everyday life, in a longer run. i'm curious to see if i chose to avoid spending a too big part of my life in front of a screen. my main hesitation is about how to produce music then (composing, arranging...). the only alternative i see right now are these multitracks digital recorders but i'm a bit sceptic and afraid i'll be pissed with the "linear" way of working. any suggestions? stéphane http://www.clumsybeats.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 09:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57DWVw25846; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:08:36 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: ultralink To: Patrick EL MELIANI , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005401c56b65$960b0260$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_26qTKijilP9S+fI8iA+KMg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29846846.1118084351446.JavaMail.www@wwinf1504> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_26qTKijilP9S+fI8iA+KMg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings Patrick- Welcome to Loopers Delight! Thanks for the information on the Behringer Ultralink. It sounds like a useful piece of gear for the trick I tried with my two Boss DD-20s last night (discussed in another post). And your English is very, very good - better than many who claim it as their native tongue! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick EL MELIANI To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:59 PM Subject: ultralink Hi everybody , I'm new to the list and I want to share a trick from my" looping station" , and please excuse my english. I use the berhinger ultralink to plug all my equipment and rout the signal like I want .maybe some of you have heard about the ultralink , it's a very interresting product : it's a mixer and a splitter . it has a stereo input and output , and 6 channels you can set like a mixer or a splitter. here's my setup: the original signal come from the send (fx loop )of my preamp and goes to the left input of the stereo input of the ultralink , from the 6th channel as a splitter , it goes to a DD20 then return ( only the delayed signal ) in the right input of the stereo input of the ultralink , then it goes from the first and 2nd channels as a splitter to two differents effects who return in channels 3 and 4 as a mixer , so I can send to the effects the dry or the wet or both signal from the stereo input ( each channel has a panpot so you can choose what signal you want to split from the stereo input ) , channels 3 and 4 are mixed and go back to my preamp by the left output of the ultralink but I send from the right output this signal also to a second delay who is return in the channel 5 as a mixer ( delayed signal only ). Like this I can loop a clean signal from my preamp , I can send the wet or dry signal in any effect ( I can have my inst in effect A and my delayed signal in effect B ) all is going back to my amp and I can loop a signal from the 2 effects in my second delay then send it back to my preamp too! The sound is very good no noise buzz etc at all , the ultralink is very transparent and noiseless . trust me so if you have problems to find a good setup ( noise , -10 +4 db conversion , or other ) try this ! enjoy Pat --Boundary_(ID_26qTKijilP9S+fI8iA+KMg) Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Greetings = Patrick-
    = Welcome to Loopers=20 Delight! Thanks for the information on the Behringer Ultralink. It = sounds like a=20 useful piece of gear for the trick I tried with my two Boss DD-20s last = night=20 (discussed in another post). And your English is very, very good - = better than=20 many who claim it as their native tongue!
Douglas Baldwin,=20 coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net<= /DIV>
 
"The music business is a = cruel and=20 shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run = free=20 and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter = S.=20 Thompson
 

 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick EL MELIANI =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 = 2:59 PM
Subject: ultralink

Hi everybody , I'm new to the list and I want to share a trick from = my" looping station" , and please excuse my english.

I use the berhinger ultralink to plug all my equipment and rout the = signal=20 like I want .maybe some of you have heard about the ultralink , it's a = very=20 interresting product : it's a mixer and a splitter . it has a stereo = input and=20 output , and 6 channels you can set like a mixer or a splitter.

here's my setup: the original signal come from the send (fx = loop )of=20 my preamp and goes to the left input of the stereo input of the = ultralink ,=20 from the 6th channel as a splitter , it goes to a DD20 then return ( = only the=20 delayed signal )  in the right input of the stereo input of the = ultralink=20 , then it goes from the first and 2nd channels as a splitter to two = differents=20 effects who return in channels 3 and 4 as a mixer , so I can send to = the=20 effects the dry or the wet or both signal from the stereo input ( each = channel=20 has a panpot so you can choose what signal you want to split from the = stereo=20 input ) , channels 3 and 4 are mixed and go back to my preamp by the = left=20 output of the ultralink but I send from the right output this signal = also to a=20 second delay who is return in the channel 5 as a mixer ( delayed = signal only=20 ).

Like this I can loop a clean signal from my preamp , I can send the = wet or=20 dry signal in any effect ( I can have my inst in effect A and my = delayed=20 signal in effect B )

all is going back to my amp and I can loop a signal from the 2 = effects in=20 my second delay then send it back to my preamp too!

The sound is very good no noise buzz etc at all , the ultralink = is =20 very transparent and noiseless . trust me

so if you have problems to find a good setup ( noise , -10 +4 db = conversion=20 , or other ) try this !

enjoy

Pat

--Boundary_(ID_26qTKijilP9S+fI8iA+KMg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 10:05:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57DunT28294; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:56:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:57:39 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: two Boss DD-20s and an output secret To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005801c56b68$e4d8a020$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IVRnELyHXNjVv7H8XHBqFQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A114@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_IVRnELyHXNjVv7H8XHBqFQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT FS: headrush v2This may be the equivalent of "Looping 101," but Boy! did I ever concoct some major swirl last night! The concept is simple: feed the delayed output of DD-20 #1 into the input of DD-20 #2, and vice versa. I use a Boss GT-3 to process my guitar, and the GT-3 has stereo outs, so I'll describe exactly how I set this up last night, but this should certainly work with a mono input as well. Here's the long skinny: Each DD-20 has two inputs and two outputs, k? I plugged one of each of the two outputs of the GT-3 into one of the two inputs on each of the DD-20s. Then I plugged one of the two outputs of DD-20 #1 into my usual mixer/amp/speakers. I plugged the other output into the second input of DD-20 #2. One of the outputs of #2 went to the mixer/amp/speakers, and the other output of #2 went to the second input of DD-20 #1. With both DD-20s set to maximum feedback and slightly different delay lengths (about 18 and 19 seconds), there was no unsightly oscillating feedback! No harsh buildup of static or clock noise! Notes with undefined attacks expanded like watercolor pigments on a wet paper towel. Well-defined notes established a rhythmic pulse like nobody's business. And with two feedback controls, two effect levels, and two output tone controls, the in's and out's and color-tints and stereo spreads and what-nots became V-E-R-Y T-H-I-C-K. The use of the Behringer Ultralink that our new member Patrick just posted about would make switching between this setup and a more conventional setup rather easy. Now here's an output secret for all you DD-20 owners: you probably know that the DD-20 has four output modes (stereo +4 dB, effect/direct +4 dB, stereo -10dB, and effect/direct -10 dB). Well, when you execute the voodoo ritual that sets the output, it sets the output for only the memory that the DD-20 is on at that moment! Which means you can customize the output mode for each memory location. Boy, I'm loving these creamy little conjoined stomperoos more and more with every passing millisecond. Now I must go pester Mr. Kim about posting my DD-20 review on the LD web site. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson --Boundary_(ID_IVRnELyHXNjVv7H8XHBqFQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT FS: headrush v2
This may be the equivalent of "Looping 101," but Boy! did I ever concoct some major swirl last night! The concept is simple: feed the delayed output of DD-20 #1 into the input of DD-20 #2, and vice versa.
 
I use a Boss GT-3 to process my guitar, and the GT-3 has stereo outs, so I'll describe exactly how I set this up last night, but this should certainly work with a mono input as well.
 
Here's the long skinny: Each DD-20 has two inputs and two outputs, k? I plugged one of each of the two outputs of the GT-3 into one of the two inputs on each of the DD-20s. Then I plugged one of the two outputs of DD-20 #1 into my usual mixer/amp/speakers. I plugged the other output into the second input of DD-20 #2. One of the outputs of #2 went to the mixer/amp/speakers, and the other output of #2 went to the second input of DD-20 #1.
 
With both DD-20s set to maximum feedback and slightly different delay lengths (about 18 and 19 seconds), there was no unsightly oscillating feedback! No harsh buildup of static or clock noise! Notes with undefined attacks expanded like watercolor pigments on a wet paper towel. Well-defined notes established a rhythmic pulse like nobody's business. And with two feedback controls, two effect levels, and two output tone controls, the in's and out's and color-tints and stereo spreads and what-nots became V-E-R-Y T-H-I-C-K.
 
The use of the Behringer Ultralink that our new member Patrick just posted about would make switching between this setup and a more conventional setup rather easy.
 
Now here's an output secret for all you DD-20 owners: you probably know that the DD-20 has four output modes (stereo +4 dB, effect/direct +4 dB, stereo -10dB, and effect/direct -10 dB). Well, when you execute the voodoo ritual that sets the output, it sets the output for only the memory that the DD-20 is on at that moment! Which means you can customize the output mode for each memory location. Boy, I'm loving these creamy little conjoined stomperoos more and more with every passing millisecond.
 
Now I must go pester Mr. Kim about posting my DD-20 review on the LD web site.
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. Thompson
 

 
--Boundary_(ID_IVRnELyHXNjVv7H8XHBqFQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 10:09:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57E8qZ30987; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:09:42 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: the screen in between To: obadia , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008201c56b6a$ac9860e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <49924.213.100.44.49.1118139041.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Stephane: I've never enjoyed using a computer for music-making, and I've been using the Korg D1600mkII since February of this year for music recording. I'm more of a real-time player than a software composer/manipulator, though. I thnk that for drag/drop/click composition, the computer is best. For real time capture of a sound event, I'm pretty smitten with the Korg. Once the sounds are in the box, you can edit pretty decently, but it means using a lot of sub-menus to obtain results that most computer software systems put up front, nomsane? Describe your ideal working process a little more, and I'm sure we'll all happily chime in with our experiences and opinions. dB coyote (music business sucks) ----- Original Message ----- From: "obadia" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: the screen in between > hello, > this is a bit off-topic but maybe some of you will have good tips. > i have been thinking about getting rid of a computer, at least for a > while. to rest from my small but growing addiction. also as an experiment, > to see if it affects my everyday life, in a longer run. i'm curious to see > if i chose to avoid spending a too big part of my life in front of a > screen. > my main hesitation is about how to produce music then (composing, > arranging...). the only alternative i see right now are these multitracks > digital recorders but i'm a bit sceptic and afraid i'll be pissed with the > "linear" way of working. > any suggestions? > > stéphane > http://www.clumsybeats.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 11:32:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57FQFn12524; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:24:29 -0400 From: kim galibert Subject: it is time to rock on [livelooping video] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006a01c56b74$ff4afcd0$6503a8c0@vaio13> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tEBq1O327JAZGPsOGQebYQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_tEBq1O327JAZGPsOGQebYQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT can you believe they let us into the lmc-tv studio with all those expensive cameras and shiny toys? it is possible to liveloop 2 vocalists, violin, string bass, percussion/drums, guit/keys without losing your mind?* is it rhetorical question day here on loopersdelight? these questions and many others will be answered here: www.iosonic.com/video/rock-on.wmv www.iosonic.com/video/rock-on.mov www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.wmv www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.mov thanks, kim * no. --Boundary_(ID_tEBq1O327JAZGPsOGQebYQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
can you believe they let us into the lmc-tv studio with all those expensive cameras and shiny toys?
 
it is possible to liveloop 2 vocalists, violin, string bass, percussion/drums, guit/keys without losing your mind?*
 
is it rhetorical question day here on loopersdelight?
 
these questions and many others will be answered here:
 --Boundary_(ID_tEBq1O327JAZGPsOGQebYQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 11:43:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57FdPt16210; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C56B76.E229F754" Subject: RE: it is time to rock on [livelooping video] Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:37:58 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01008286@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: it is time to rock on [livelooping video] thread-index: AcVrdUaVr0LKGyiMRueJpbdh1tXecAAAEltA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2005 15:38:00.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[E27E5410:01C56B76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B76.E229F754 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice, Kim. Hey, join the small crowd of live loopers on video and post your stuff here.... =20 http://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=3D6&~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CONTENT_I= D=3D1 89906&c=3DcontentPage&FILTER_KEY=3D237719 =20 Membership is free and it will get you some good exposure. =20 To the group...if you want, I can change the look and feel of this page to reflect Looper's Delight, and the logo, etc (Kim...other Kim, are fine with this?). I can call the page "Looper's Delight Music Videos" =20 I've already started a list of TBD artists. Aside from Kim, I know there are a few more videos out there we can post here. =20 Kris =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: kim galibert [mailto:kim@914.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: it is time to rock on [livelooping video] can you believe they let us into the lmc-tv studio with all those expensive cameras and shiny toys? =20 it is possible to liveloop 2 vocalists, violin, string bass, percussion/drums, guit/keys without losing your mind?* =20 is it rhetorical question day here on loopersdelight? =20 these questions and many others will be answered here: www.iosonic.com/video/rock-on.wmv www.iosonic.com/video/rock-on.mov=20 www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.wmv=20 www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.mov =20 =20 thanks, kim =20 * no. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B76.E229F754 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Nice, Kim.  Hey, join the small crowd of = live loopers=20 on video and post your stuff here....
 
h= ttp://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=3D6&~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CO= NTENT_ID=3D189906&c=3DcontentPage&FILTER_KEY=3D237719<= /SPAN>
 
Membership is free and it will get you some = good=20 exposure.
 
To the group...if you want, I can change the = look and feel=20 of this page to reflect Looper's Delight, and the logo, etc (Kim...other = Kim,=20 are fine with this?). I can call the page "Looper's Delight Music=20 Videos"
 
I've already started a list of TBD artists. = Aside from Kim,=20 I know there are a few more videos out there we can post=20 here.
 
Kris
 
 
 

From: kim galibert = [mailto:kim@914.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:24 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: it is time to = rock on=20 [livelooping video]

can = you believe they=20 let us into the lmc-tv studio with all those expensive cameras and shiny = toys?
 
it is = possible to=20 liveloop 2 vocalists, violin, string bass, percussion/drums, guit/keys = without=20 losing your mind?*
 
is it = rhetorical=20 question day here on loopersdelight?
 
these = questions and=20 many others will be answered here:
www.iosonic.com/video/r= ock-on.wmv
www.iosonic.com/video/r= ock-on.mov=20
www.iosonic.com/video= /goitalone.wmv=20
www.iosonic.com/video= /goitalone.mov
 
 
thanks,
kim
 
*=20 no.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B76.E229F754-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 11:43:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57FfZn16544; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C56B77.3C19757A" Subject: RE: it is time to rock on [livelooping video] Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:40:27 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0100828A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: it is time to rock on [livelooping video] thread-index: AcVrdUaVr0LKGyiMRueJpbdh1tXecAAAeSYQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2005 15:40:30.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C6B1C60:01C56B77] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B77.3C19757A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim, or I can upload them for you if you send me a description of them, like what I did with mine. =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: kim galibert [mailto:kim@914.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: it is time to rock on [livelooping video] can you believe they let us into the lmc-tv studio with all those expensive cameras and shiny toys? =20 it is possible to liveloop 2 vocalists, violin, string bass, percussion/drums, guit/keys without losing your mind?* =20 is it rhetorical question day here on loopersdelight? =20 these questions and many others will be answered here: www.iosonic.com/video/rock-on.wmv www.iosonic.com/video/rock-on.mov=20 www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.wmv=20 www.iosonic.com/video/goitalone.mov =20 =20 thanks, kim =20 * no. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B77.3C19757A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Kim, or I can upload them for you if you send = me a=20 description of them, like what I did with mine.
 
Kris
 

From: kim galibert = [mailto:kim@914.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:24 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: it is time to = rock on=20 [livelooping video]

can = you believe they=20 let us into the lmc-tv studio with all those expensive cameras and shiny = toys?
 
it is = possible to=20 liveloop 2 vocalists, violin, string bass, percussion/drums, guit/keys = without=20 losing your mind?*
 
is it = rhetorical=20 question day here on loopersdelight?
 
these = questions and=20 many others will be answered here:
www.iosonic.com/video/r= ock-on.wmv
www.iosonic.com/video/r= ock-on.mov=20
www.iosonic.com/video= /goitalone.wmv=20
www.iosonic.com/video= /goitalone.mov
 
 
thanks,
kim
 
*=20 no.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B77.3C19757A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 12:40:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57GYk923272; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1118161972!8219924!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A127@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the screen in between Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:34:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C56B7E.B741C7C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B7E.B741C7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've never enjoyed using a computer for music-making, and I've been using the Korg D1600mkII since February of this year for music recording. I'm more of a real-time player than a software composer/manipulator, though......Once the sounds are in the box, you can edit pretty decently....<< doug, chaps- I too have become a big fan of the korg multitracks. we started with a mk1 1600, & pretty soon it was joined by a mk2 & a 1200. having a machine each with a common file format is very useful when the three of us live in different cities. also, I take the (160Gb) hard drive out of my mk2 & use it in the guitarist's mk1 when I visit, without any problems. it is possible to do quite a lot of "post" on the korg itself, either using the waveform scrub or just banging in edit points on the fly. I onjce cut 4 bars out of a band recording & had to undo the operation to prove to myself that something had actually happened, the edit was so good. but my usual method these days is to do some or all of the mixing in the korg, then export the mix(es) as wavs for further work in vegas (the software, not the place). I think one of the reasons I prefer this more linear approach to recording (it's a lot like using a multitrack tapedeck) is that it encourages one to "commit & move on". my other half has recently graduated from cubase to logic on a g5, & is forever exasperating me with her endless retakes & versions; the desktop of the poor powerbook she ran cubase on is littered with files called "audio 3_03052004.take1" & so forth. also, working linearly is more likely to preserve a single performance (even if you overdub parts or retakes, the basic track will tend to be in one lump). I'm rambling..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B7E.B741C7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: the screen in between

>>I've never enjoyed using a computer for music-mak= ing, and I've been using the Korg D1600mkII since February of this year for= music recording. I'm more of a real-time player than a software composer/m= anipulator, though......Once the sounds are in the box, you can edit pretty= decently....<<

doug, chaps- I too have become a big fan of the korg mult= itracks. we started with a mk1 1600, & pretty soon it was joined by a m= k2 & a 1200. having a machine each with a common file format is very us= eful when the three of us live in different cities. also, I take the (160Gb= ) hard drive out of my mk2 & use it in the guitarist's mk1 when I visit= , without any problems.

it is possible to do quite a lot of "post" on t= he korg itself, either using the waveform scrub or just banging in edit poi= nts on the fly. I onjce cut 4 bars out of a band recording & had to und= o the operation to prove to myself that something had actually happened, th= e edit was so good.

but my usual method these days is to do some or all of th= e mixing in the korg, then export the mix(es) as wavs for further work in v= egas (the software, not the place).

I think one of the reasons I prefer this more linear appr= oach to recording (it's a lot like using a multitrack tapedeck) is that it = encourages one to "commit & move on". my other half has recen= tly graduated from cubase to logic on a g5, & is forever exasperating m= e with her endless retakes & versions; the desktop of the poor powerboo= k she ran cubase on is littered with files called "audio 3_03052004.ta= ke1" & so forth.

also, working linearly is more likely to preserve a singl= e performance (even if you overdub parts or retakes, the basic track will t= end to be in one lump).

I'm rambling.....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C56B7E.B741C7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 13:47:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57HkFm00614; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:46:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:46:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c56b88$b48f4660$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> <49924.213.100.44.49.1118139041.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Subject: Re: the screen in between Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:45:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great idea but we will miss you :=) more serious: staves paper, pencil, rubber real musicians (humans ) concepts instead plugins good luck limitation in art is a virtue limitation in art is a virtue Claude Subject: the screen in between hello, this is a bit off-topic but maybe some of you will have good tips. i have been thinking about getting rid of a computer, at least for a while. to rest from my small but growing addiction. also as an experiment, to see if it affects my everyday life, in a longer run. i'm curious to see if i chose to avoid spending a too big part of my life in front of a screen. my main hesitation is about how to produce music then (composing, arranging...). the only alternative i see right now are these multitracks digital recorders but i'm a bit sceptic and afraid i'll be pissed with the "linear" way of working. any suggestions? stéphane http://www.clumsybeats.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 13:57:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57HrxR01507; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:53:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:53:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: the screen in between Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:54:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c56b8a$048b8b00$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005b01c56b88$b48f4660$0400000a@mini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j57HrZQ01459 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephane, back then when I studied composition at the college whilst going through the final years of school, I would compose and arrange in my hours off. My resources: a sheet of paper with lines on it and a pencil. Try it, it works! Rainer hello, this is a bit off-topic but maybe some of you will have good tips. i have been thinking about getting rid of a computer, at least for a while. to rest from my small but growing addiction. also as an experiment, to see if it affects my everyday life, in a longer run. i'm curious to see if i chose to avoid spending a too big part of my life in front of a screen. my main hesitation is about how to produce music then (composing, arranging...). the only alternative i see right now are these multitracks digital recorders but i'm a bit sceptic and afraid i'll be pissed with the "linear" way of working. any suggestions? stéphane http://www.clumsybeats.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 15:27:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57JPSP17378; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:24:30 -0400 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: way way OT.....jacket system 3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2FB3A4D9.496B904F.0269DAB0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.117.73 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <2grmuD.A.6LE._RfpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know a bunch of you travel a good bit and even if you don't, you may want to check out this wonderful jacket system (3.0) that i just stumbled across.....www.scottevest.com in a nutshell: outer jacket and a fleece liner that also can be used as a seperate jacket, here's the great part, between the two of them you have a total of 42 pockets, unbelievable, i can carry all my LOOPING PEDALS short of the rang, a ton-o-jacks and GOD only knows what else....i had always felt that by law, all clothing should have at least 4 pockets.....they are on sale now for 199.00 for both that's 200.00 off regular cost.....all of the muppets wear these.....:).....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 16:11:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57K8rI26209; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5pkvPlc35HABd0F4AIF3vYwi6YW7P5VRfuIvs5OA9SPSNlyBWtWnWhX935+U3lX2OzcSGZDYP/d12px3E676AXldUf5+2ipk2e1NrDKLYLdOZLuSKmLb7ZT0FdivtovLrcGwT6ODrqFt/L5dGnIHnA79MFYYog5e2Ir5tfTo+2Y= ; Message-ID: <20050607200801.52381.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: the screen in between To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005b01c56b88$b48f4660$0400000a@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ive been thinking of the same thing;I havent felt like looping or the whole PC wanking and been just playing acoustic guitar and singing lately.With all its beautiful advantages the PC tends to distract a lot and there is something very addictive about a screen.I think there is nothing wrong with taking a break in fact its healthy,it makes you find new ways of working again. Just as off-topic i fasted recently 7 days and its incredible how much time i had all of the sudden when there is no meals to eat in between and the amount of energy i had, since there was no energy needed to digest.I would at times wake up at 4 in the morning have my amounts of water take a walk and play guitar and i can tell you it felt great.Now i just recently formated the computer and the first thing i got was a virus and spend 2 days dealing with the crap,if you want to throw yours out the window let me know and ill join you! Luis > hello, > this is a bit off-topic but maybe some of you will > have good tips. > i have been thinking about getting rid of a > computer, at least for a > while. to rest from my small but growing addiction. > also as an experiment, > to see if it affects my everyday life, in a longer > run. i'm curious to see > if i chose to avoid spending a too big part of my > life in front of a > screen. > my main hesitation is about how to produce music > then (composing, > arranging...). the only alternative i see right now > are these multitracks > digital recorders but i'm a bit sceptic and afraid > i'll be pissed with the > "linear" way of working. > any suggestions? > > stéphane > http://www.clumsybeats.org > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 17:35:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57LYUm03822; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aYPjG/KEbWVpY43/BFT6cCSNxuDVpZgL9ibdlcGjJoAYicc8PGE7nL76j8W5JKPzJFsWeWGb4Q3OQNWpGmecngCXna8W4YRfh4byEBZgUUetBqsaQNT7YmFuEiaaAcb3eIUC1aH6PY4zLh309fDxoT1wevKs6thQ6ULzKZydKTw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:33:40 -0700 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: way way OT.....jacket system 3.0 In-Reply-To: <2FB3A4D9.496B904F.0269DAB0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <2FB3A4D9.496B904F.0269DAB0@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j57LXkQ03733 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's the non-metrosexual alternative to a man-purse, and much bigger and harder to forget too. I've got the classic vest version that is now my defacto day-job uniform. Dorky to wear at other times, but it holds All My Stuff, which is a Whole Load of Crap, and now includes stuff I would otherwise constantly be missing but would never have considered carrying around. I was mildly tempted by the sport coat version, but a badly fitting sport coat just makes you look like a cheap security guard, and besides the vest is warm enough already (it's not too bad, but you will feel it if you spend much time outside in warm weather) I wouldn't want more than one of them however, or a 'detachable' version. The whole point of the thing is that everything is in one place... YMMV, bIz On 6/7/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i know a bunch of you travel a good bit and even if you don't, you may want to check out this wonderful jacket system (3.0) that i just stumbled across.....www.scottevest.com > in a nutshell: outer jacket and a fleece liner that also can be used as a seperate jacket, here's the great part, between the two of them you have a total of 42 pockets, unbelievable, i can carry all my LOOPING PEDALS short of the rang, a ton-o-jacks and GOD only knows what else....i had always felt that by law, all clothing should have at least 4 pockets.....they are on sale now for 199.00 for both that's 200.00 off regular cost.....all of the muppets wear these.....:).....mic > > -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- any suggestions? > > stéphane > http://www.clumsybeats.org > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 18:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57M4fP08688; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RVxkGNPwIt6WYfTcWU7ne78XEOPz1AIzv0pArvdPq38C/GT/234TBgrsXVNlfVtrrZ6dAkqJdBZNDQdkwliUnOx6UkyDF+7v+6oqq5QJzbCAD+W4zhr4H4mToGIDGYICF4/eJeFANSGKr8p36eB3NJyc+ohAAlK+qa6ot7G3TMw= ; Message-ID: <20050607220345.36530.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: way way OT.....jacket system 3.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can just see it now: standing in front of a 300 yard queue at the airport security screening gate, attempting to convince a stern-looking guard named Bruno that the zvex superhardon pedal you just HAD to carry in your pocket is not a tool for terrorism... :P -t- ps: ...and beautiful women will gaze longingly at you in your vest, remarking to themselves and to each other "Oh my, I've never seen a man with so much in his pockets before..." > On 6/7/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com > wrote: > > i know a bunch of you travel a good bit and even > if you don't, you may want to check out this > wonderful jacket system (3.0) that i just stumbled > across..... [snipsnipsnip] > ...unbelievable, i can carry all my LOOPING PEDALS... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 18:15:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57ME7p09679; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:13:09 -0400 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: way way OT.....jacket system 3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <02B7B416.29894E7F.0269DAB0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.117.73 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<300 yard queue at the airport>> sayeth the mighty tim good point tim.....perhaps i over-reacted, what was i thinking?.....:).....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 18:30:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57MRcj11309; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KaucisVchW9fUfsFZ9+HyiKa4TU8jd7dfPTAP8H3XiaOI2PH1t44ajWgHudlEaw03oYRQYLeNm8kdejOaMxJfY9CqC3ODjv0kVPq04w0oqg6GnavZGwsW5qhMzJtdF5YYXZidYhFtBkDuuvCndY2IDCJZTnrwb4dZn8yBNERJyc= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050607152633c13e17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:26:22 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Art Simon Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d05060607196f93bef1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d05060607196f93bef1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j57MQNQ11119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are intending to re-use and/or master your material, I strongly suggest using uncompressed audio and not a mini-disc. the ATRAC encoding that's used in MD is very smart and careful to try to only remove information that's not audible -- but if you for example apply EQ to your track after encoding you might find some pretty dreadful artefacts. On 6/6/05, Art Simon wrote: > There are two compact flash recorders in the $500 range. They both > have built in mics as well as mic inputs (The Marantz has XLR mic > inputs), and offer wav and mp3 recording. While I haven't used them, > they would be what I would look at if I was replacing my minidisc > recorder: > Edirol R1: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html > Marantz PMD660: > http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3629&CatID=19&SubCatID=180 > > Minidisc still seems the most cost effective. > On 6/5/05, ken griffith wrote: > > > > Hi.. > > There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of > > portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, and > > other such things, But I was unable to find info in the archives...and with > > today's (mp3/Ipod) technology, minidisc has already become practically > > extinct. So I was wondering what other new devices you might be using or > > recommend to check out... > > > > Thx, kenardo > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 18:45:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57MioZ13332; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:44:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:44:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: portable recorder advice... Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:45:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c56bb2$9e042670$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <26ba8d12050607152633c13e17@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j57MiCQ13230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are there any recorders available (solid state or HD) which allow the use of FLAC? Oh my, it just seems that there is another reason to use the coresound variant ;-) Rainer (and again, Tom, sorry for sending this as a private email to you...) speaking of mindisc artifacts...there was this friend of mine (an audio AMS electronics specialist, who actually built this power amp prototype with a SNR of better than 156dB (unweighted!) and retained a SNR of >140dB in the series production) who when we talked about the Magneto plugin shortly after it was released predicted a "Midisco" plugin which might be released 15 years in the future...nine more years to go ;-) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2005 00:26 An: Art Simon Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: portable recorder advice... If you are intending to re-use and/or master your material, I strongly suggest using uncompressed audio and not a mini-disc. the ATRAC encoding that's used in MD is very smart and careful to try to only remove information that's not audible -- but if you for example apply EQ to your track after encoding you might find some pretty dreadful artefacts. On 6/6/05, Art Simon wrote: > There are two compact flash recorders in the $500 range. They both > have built in mics as well as mic inputs (The Marantz has XLR mic > inputs), and offer wav and mp3 recording. While I haven't used them, > they would be what I would look at if I was replacing my minidisc > recorder: > Edirol R1: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html > Marantz PMD660: > http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3629&CatID=19&SubCatID > =180 > > Minidisc still seems the most cost effective. > On 6/5/05, ken griffith wrote: > > > > Hi.. > > There have probably been posts here before regarding which types of > > portable/minidisc/like recorders are good for recording live shows, > > and other such things, But I was unable to find info in the > > archives...and with today's (mp3/Ipod) technology, minidisc has > > already become practically extinct. So I was wondering what other > > new devices you might be using or recommend to check out... > > > > Thx, kenardo > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 19:18:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j57NCfc18256; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MJa/fe+9XLMjkJsCursXat/8qVKU2A02STM1lY12RYArl85s6ODiU+dRZIYv/FRjwkESJ8IddsgXUh5IZ4qT+ueqv+EUjcB+/jQIyVYa25PX/FrfvKkttJsaanGI9cVVYpHZrqoms4LnFmsBEgDazacqpe+qk3KPffsQmyrD2aE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:12:05 -0700 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: way way OT.....jacket system 3.0 In-Reply-To: <02B7B416.29894E7F.0269DAB0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <02B7B416.29894E7F.0269DAB0@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j57NCAQ18151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would just hand them the vest and sit down. When they realize there are more than 2 pockets, they generally shrug and give it back to you. On 6/7/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > <<300 yard > queue at the airport>> sayeth the mighty tim > > good point tim.....perhaps i over-reacted, what was i thinking?.....:).....mic > > -- bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half > thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. > > Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com > Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next > cd release - for free! > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, there was a lot of talk for a few months about not having enough aux sends in the compact mackies but this one seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4, FX,compact, etc. perfect for looper! http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/ has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the older models?any disadvantages? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 21:13:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j581Bfi01662; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Jun 2005 01:10:23 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:10:23 -0500 Subject: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.56.60 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050608011023.C865D86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j581AUQ01565 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers- I'm a guitarist and (except for my twin EDPs) an "analog guy". However, I have a hankering to be able to trigger sound samples from a keyboard. I've been to a couple music stores recently and the staff seem pretty clueless as to how to help me (hey..just like me!!). SO: Here's what I want to be able to do. 1. Record live sounds and save as samples (I have all required mics and pres, etc.) 2. Assign individual samples to individual keys on a keyboard (eg. C = a doorbell, C# = a cat meowing, D= a sneeze, etc.) such that each key triggers a different sound. 3. Icing on the cake would be to have more than one set or bank of sounds to switch between. 4. As cheap as possible, and lo-fidelity is not a problem (may even be an asset). Are there keyboards that can do this all internally? Do I need a sampler and a separate keyboard to trigger. Do I also need something to store the samples in for access? Or would the keyboard access the sampler directly? Anyone have any advice to point me in the right direction? Thanks Joe Rut -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 21:26:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j581Pdn03512; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050608011023.C865D86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050608011023.C865D86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:23:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >SO: Here's what I want to be able to do. > >Are there keyboards that can do this all internally? Do I need a >sampler and a separate keyboard to trigger. Do I also need >something to >store the samples in for access? Or would the keyboard access the >sampler directly? > >Anyone have any advice to point me in the right direction? I'm quite sure there are others here who will be able to give you very specific advice, but I'm thinking you can do what you want with a MIDI keyboard controller (relatively cheap, as opposed to buying a nice hardware synth) and an application like Ableton Live or Reason. I'm just getting started with all of this stuff myself, but all you'd have to do is have your samples loaded up in your software application and assign them to a key on your MIDI keyboard. Press middle "C" and you've got your sneeze, etc. That *may* be the cheapest way to go, but others can probably help you more, as I said. Maybe that's a start? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 22:11:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j582AHe09568; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Jun 2005 02:09:33 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:09:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.56.60 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050608020933.D8A54C610F@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j5829dQ09458 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff & Other Fellow Loopers (OFL?) Thanks for the reply. I guess another part of the equation is that I'm looking to do this with "stand alone" equipment (not through my computer) Thanks again Joe.----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:23:05 -0500 > > > > > SO: Here's what I want to be able to do. > > > > Are there keyboards that can do this all internally? Do I need a > > sampler and a separate keyboard to trigger. Do I also need > > something to > > store the samples in for access? Or would the keyboard access > > the sampler directly? > > > > Anyone have any advice to point me in the right direction? > > I'm quite sure there are others here who will be able to give you > very specific advice, but I'm thinking you can do what you want > with a MIDI keyboard controller (relatively cheap, as opposed to > buying a nice hardware synth) and an application like Ableton Live > or Reason. I'm just getting started with all of this stuff myself, > but all you'd have to do is have your samples loaded up in your > software application and assign them to a key on your MIDI > keyboard. Press middle "C" and you've got your sneeze, etc. That > *may* be the cheapest way to go, but others can probably help you > more, as I said. > > Maybe that's a start? > > Jeff -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 23:02:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5831Vc20160; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c56bd7$2216fe00$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <410-2200560513818730@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:06:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool video clip here: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 23:21:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j582We812512; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:32:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.14c932ef.2fd7b1a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:27:53 EDT Subject: Re: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/7/05 7:09:43 PM, joerut@lycos.com writes: << I guess another part of the equation is that I'm looking to do this with "stand alone" equipment (not through my computer) >> The Boss SP303 Dr. Sample might do what you need, worth checking out. Not a keyboard, although I suppose it might actually be able to tie into some controllers. I can't remember how many triggerable samples it can hold, but most mid-size music stores I've been in recently have had one on hand to try. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 23:22:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j583KI124408; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:19:10 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010083ED@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVr1mi4oQqrRxJoQmSibWsxY4luPAAAg64Q From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2005 03:19:11.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[D736FBE0:01C56BD8] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j583JpQ24253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beautiful!!! You made my night, Mark. Did anyone notice the character is humming "Lullaby of Birdland" around the middle of the tune! Great jazz standard, btw. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Cool video clip here: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 7 23:39:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j583cHV28248; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:38:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:37:08 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010083EE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here thread-index: AcVr1mi4oQqrRxJoQmSibWsxY4luPAABIi+g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2005 03:37:10.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A4F8D60:01C56BDB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j583bMQ28119 Resent-Message-ID: <0HYSCC.A.p3G.yfmpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, I searched the source code, and here is the direct link to the .mov file: http://media.milkandcookies.com/media/mov/m/mahnamahna512k.mov?media=7cf 1550ecd1db6f06004b8e2b5c2da8e If you create a link to this in an html file, you can right click it and save the file to your computer. Right Click Here to Download Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 Mah-na mah-na MP3s Here Cool video clip here: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 01:10:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5858on08629; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:08:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:08:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:16:16 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Gig Spam - Felix Pastorius - Boomerang user - live performance - Lake Worth, Florida... To: Message-id: <000701c56be9$331085c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> <003901c56700$bb9210a0$18aaa344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Monday June 13th Felix Pastorius solo performance by him on his 5 string fretted, 5 string frett-less and 7 string fretted bass played through a boomerang digital delay. http://www.ajlucas.com/fxp.html South Shores Tavern and Patio Bar 502 Lucerne Avenue Lake Worth, FL 33460 Phone: 561-547-7656 Directions: From 95: North take the 10 Avenue Exit. Travel South on Dixie Highway until you come to Lake Avenue. Travel East on Lake until you come to M Street. Go North one block to Lucerne Ave. South Shores is on the corner of Lucerne and M Street. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 03:38:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j587UHW30366; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c56bfb$d24cd0a0$6402a8c0@Ruelle1> From: "Ben" To: References: <1b8.14c932ef.2fd7b1a9@aol.com> Subject: Re: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:29:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes the SP-303 can do that. You can also trigger the samples from a footcontroller like the Fcb1010. There a 16 samples in internal memory (up to 32sec) and 16 on the optional SMedia card (about 32 min on a 128Mb). The card can also holds some 7 banks of 16 internal memory samples but the transfer card -> memory is rather slow. There is also 23 effects that can act on the external entry (guitar, or whatever,...) and sync to a TAP tempo. There is also a -crude-sequencer to lay down your beats. I used this setup in my previous band but the drummer couldn't sync to the samples. Note also that the FCB1010 triggers notes with velocity of 64 so the sample are louder if you trigger them from the sampler pads. I hope this helps. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:27 AM Subject: Re: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice > > In a message dated 6/7/05 7:09:43 PM, joerut@lycos.com writes: > > << I guess another part of the equation is that I'm looking to do this > with > "stand alone" equipment (not through my > > computer) >> > > > > The Boss SP303 Dr. Sample might do what you need, worth checking out. Not > a > keyboard, although I suppose it might actually be able to tie into some > controllers. I can't remember how many triggerable samples it can hold, > but most > mid-size music stores I've been in recently have had one on hand to try. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > _____________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 04:02:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j587s4U00435; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c56bff$28323a20$6402a8c0@Ruelle1> From: "Ben" To: References: <410-2200560513818730@earthlink.net> <000601c56bd7$2216fe00$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Subject: Blue or Red? Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:53:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...for the new jamman looper Just have a look at this: http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html Sorry, only in french. CU, Ben _____________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 09:12:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58DA3A32427; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:10:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ken griffith" To: Subject: red or blue....translator...babblefish Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 06:13:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use this babblefish site to translate web pages and messages from french to english all the time... It's not perfect but you can get the general idea about the message/site...enjoy...kenardo http://world.altavista.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 11:53:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58FpCG14522; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:51:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:51:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:58:13 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Blue or Red? To: Message-id: <000a01c56c42$e07da860$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <410-2200560513818730@earthlink.net> <000601c56bd7$2216fe00$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> <00c001c56bff$28323a20$6402a8c0@Ruelle1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sacre Bleu! Highlights from reading the description provided.... - no midi - 6.5 HOURS of loop time - the newsgroup writer wonders if Bob Sellon / Lexicon has given the rights to the "JamMan" name - sales price a little less than $300 or there abouts - uses a 2GB compact flash to store loops But is this real, or a fake? David Kirkorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:53 AM Subject: Blue or Red? > ...for the new jamman looper > Just have a look at this: > http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html > > Sorry, only in french. > > CU, > > Ben > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _ > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 12:14:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58G9mA17631; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:09:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:09:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ky64yWk0BOg4SK6zbrkmU+G+JfcGPWkCQVQOY4lgNndt3oPNiiH1vbAHvWhb6Xp4k9WzyMA8pvK4b1bwtf/z7gqcQXZermwIlhezMs7NLh0hPpMem6JceHEEAVRsGw3gMF4ggk7E7pDzPqa5zL/dnZt+PdimuU4RWTnK4UTKZVo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:08:57 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blue or Red? In-Reply-To: <000a01c56c42$e07da860$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-2200560513818730@earthlink.net> <000601c56bd7$2216fe00$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> <00c001c56bff$28323a20$6402a8c0@Ruelle1> <000a01c56c42$e07da860$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j58G92Q17529 Resent-Message-ID: <92HVcC.A.MSE.fgxpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aren't 2GB compact flash cards around $200 these days? If so, that's an expensive package--if you need to record 6.5 hours of material... On 6/8/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Sacre Bleu! > > Highlights from reading the description provided.... > > - no midi > - 6.5 HOURS of loop time > - the newsgroup writer wonders if Bob Sellon / Lexicon has given the rights > to the "JamMan" name > - sales price a little less than $300 or there abouts > - uses a 2GB compact flash to store loops > > But is this real, or a fake? > > David Kirkorffer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:53 AM > Subject: Blue or Red? > > > > ...for the new jamman looper > > Just have a look at this: > > > http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html > > > > Sorry, only in french. > > > > CU, > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos > mails, photos et vidéos ! > > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 12:29:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58GSKP19138; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:28:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blue or Red? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j58GReQ19068 Resent-Message-ID: <_ZLVr.A.NqE.9xxpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Aren't 2GB compact flash cards around $200 these days? If so, that's > an expensive package--if you need to record 6.5 hours of material... I find the whole idea of putting a spec that it can "Record 6.5 hours of material" idiotic. Cards can be slow/cumbersome and expensive so it's hardly a practical means of saving files. Then again, I've never needed more than 30 second for any loops I've done and there certainly are plenty of folks who would consider what I do idiotic :) Does this using come with internal memory and a smart card? If so what is the stock amount of time out of the box? > On 6/8/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Sacre Bleu! > > > > Highlights from reading the description provided.... > > > > - no midi > > - 6.5 HOURS of loop time > > - the newsgroup writer wonders if Bob Sellon / Lexicon has given the rights > > to the "JamMan" name > > - sales price a little less than $300 or there abouts > > - uses a 2GB compact flash to store loops > > > > But is this real, or a fake? > > > > David Kirkorffer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:53 AM > > Subject: Blue or Red? > > > > > > > ...for the new jamman looper > > > Just have a look at this: > > > > > http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html > > > > > > Sorry, only in french. > > > > > > CU, > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > _ > > > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos > > mails, photos et vidéos ! > > > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 13:35:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58HYd525543; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-358405128 From: Brakophonic Subject: Re:portable recorder advice Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:34:02 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-358405128 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >Are you refering to a standard ipod, with the recording >limited to >8khz, or an ipod running linux, with recording enabled up to >96khz? >bIz Hi thanks for the info i've been looking for this sollution , just a few Q. Does this work with G4 Ipods ? and how do you transfer files through osx or linux or ...? and what about interface ? do you use phones out as line in or via dock ? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com --Apple-Mail-1-358405128 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Courier>Are you refering to a standard ipod, with the recording >limited to >8khz, or an ipod running linux, with recording enabled up to >96khz? >bIz 0000,0000,0000Hi thanks for the info i've been looking for this sollution , just a few Q. Does this work with G4 Ipods ? and how do you transfer files through osx or linux or ...? and what about interface ? do you use phones out as line in or via dock ? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com --Apple-Mail-1-358405128-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 13:42:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58Hdon25982; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:39:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050608102958.06b103e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:36:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Blue or Red? In-Reply-To: <000a01c56c42$e07da860$0affff0a@hppav> References: <410-2200560513818730@earthlink.net> <000601c56bd7$2216fe00$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> <00c001c56bff$28323a20$6402a8c0@Ruelle1> <000a01c56c42$e07da860$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:58 AM 6/8/2005, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >- the newsgroup writer wonders if Bob Sellon / Lexicon has given the rights >to the "JamMan" name Harman owns Digitech. Harman owns Lexicon. Harman owns the word "JamMan". Bob doesn't work there anymore. (nor anyone else who understands the JamMan, apparently). kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 13:50:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58HnFK26696; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:56:02 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Blue or Red? To: Message-id: <007401c56c53$5626dcc0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <410-2200560513818730@earthlink.net> <000601c56bd7$2216fe00$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> <00c001c56bff$28323a20$6402a8c0@Ruelle1> <000a01c56c42$e07da860$0affff0a@hppav> <6.1.2.0.2.20050608102958.06b103e8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And there is the answer! Thanks Kim. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Blue or Red? > At 08:58 AM 6/8/2005, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >- the newsgroup writer wonders if Bob Sellon / Lexicon has given the rights > >to the "JamMan" name > > Harman owns Digitech. > Harman owns Lexicon. > Harman owns the word "JamMan". > Bob doesn't work there anymore. > (nor anyone else who understands the JamMan, apparently). > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 13:59:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58HwuB27653; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050608175810.3565.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:58:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hm, this also looks perfect for my studio. I've been thinking of upgrading my Soundcraft but few boards I could find at the time had a direct out for each channel as this does. I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I saw the outputs, they look like computer serial cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to bring those outs into a MOTU 828? Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > Hi gang, > there was a lot of talk for a few months about not > having enough aux sends in the compact mackies but > this one seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4, > FX,compact, etc. perfect for looper! > http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/ > has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the > older > models?any disadvantages? > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:06:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58I4Ih29667; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:02:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:56 PM -0700 6/7/05, biz wrote: > > I'm very happy with a Casio DAT recorder. It sounds much better than >> iPod or mini disc! And it has digital in- an output for easy full >> quality transfer of recordings to computers for editing or cd burning. >> > >Are you refering to a standard ipod, with the recording limited to >8khz, or an ipod running linux, with recording enabled up to 96khz? > >bIz How do you convert an ipod to do this? How do you then get input into it? TIA Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:09:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58I6Uc29804; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050608180555.8358.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Seeking sampler and keyboard advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Might want to look at picking up a used Ensoniq EPS-16. Nice sturdy keyboard and decent sampler plus some cool sequencing on board. Mark --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/7/05 7:09:43 PM, > joerut@lycos.com writes: > > << I guess another part of the equation is that I'm > looking to do this with > "stand alone" equipment (not through my > > computer) >> > > > > The Boss SP303 Dr. Sample might do what you need, > worth checking out. Not a > keyboard, although I suppose it might actually be > able to tie into some > controllers. I can't remember how many triggerable > samples it can hold, but most > mid-size music stores I've been in recently have had > one on hand to try. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:17:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IG3V30869; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:16:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:16:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZbHsAbYD2XeyhdvBFxMlkJt6zya0ukHC+nZcRtSLRfNZbrRWF6SGOiM0SbGkEZarBgLtRaRXLwqBX1ZwB3PdXDvGUy3NYR8zV3Tz637s3i5t6aws9Xserm0fUdyOkVE7vb+eB5QmOsCUN0ALbk/r+VJH3B6UddTnU2vx8Ma7NqU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:15:32 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j58IFcQ30815 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Like most LInux-related things, it's easy, reliable and cheap: http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/index.shtml On 6/8/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > At 4:56 PM -0700 6/7/05, biz wrote: > > > I'm very happy with a Casio DAT recorder. It sounds much better than > >> iPod or mini disc! And it has digital in- an output for easy full > >> quality transfer of recordings to computers for editing or cd burning. > >> > > > >Are you refering to a standard ipod, with the recording limited to > >8khz, or an ipod running linux, with recording enabled up to 96khz? > > > >bIz > > > How do you convert an ipod to do this? How do you then get input into it? > > TIA > Edwin > > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:19:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IIAt31225; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050608181703.11424.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Blue or Red? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check this out: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JamMan/ Read the last phrase. Funny eh? Mark --- Ben wrote: > ...for the new jamman looper > Just have a look at this: > http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html > > Sorry, only in french. > > CU, > > Ben > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de > stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IIGv31229; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-ME-UUID: 20050608181727261.3FD5D1C00214@mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <17499657.1118254647239.JavaMail.www@wwinf0203> From: Patrick EL MELIANI Reply-To: patrick.elmeliani@wanadoo.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28346_25074719.1118254647223" X-Originating-IP: [80.11.106.119] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:17:27 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_28346_25074719.1118254647223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable balanced signal means that 3 contacts : 1 ground ,2 + , 3 - ; unbalanced me= ans 2 contacts : 1 ground , 2 + that's all . balanced signal is more "professionnel "! Pat > Message du 08/06/05 20:01 > De : "mark sottilaro"=20 > A : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 >=20 > Hm, this also looks perfect for my studio. I've been > thinking of upgrading my Soundcraft but few boards I > could find at the time had a direct out for each > channel as this does. >=20 > I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct > outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I > saw the outputs, they look like computer serial > cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to bring > those outs into a MOTU 828? >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > Hi gang, > > there was a lot of talk for a few months about not > > having enough aux sends in the compact mackies but > > this one seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4, > > FX,compact, etc. perfect for looper! > > http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/ > > has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the > > older > > models?any disadvantages? > > Luis > >=20 > > www.luis-angulo.com > >=20 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around=20 > > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_28346_25074719.1118254647223 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

balanced signal means that 3 contacts : 1 ground ,2 + , 3 - ; unbal= anced means 2 contacts : 1 ground , 2 +

that's all . balanced signal= is more "professionnel "!

Pat


> Message du 08/06/05 20:01
> De : "mark sottilaro"=
> A : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com
> Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: Mackie Onyx 1620
> > Hm, this also looks perfect for my studio. I've been
> thinkin= g of upgrading my Soundcraft but few boards I
> could find at the tim= e had a direct out for each
> channel as this does.
>
> = I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct
> outs for every = channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I
> saw the outputs, they look l= ike computer serial
> cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to= bring
> those outs into a MOTU 828?
>
> Mark
> > --- "L. Angulo" wrote:
> > Hi gang,<= BR>> > there was a lot of talk for a few months about not
> >= ; having enough aux sends in the compact mackies but
> > this one = seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4,
> > FX,compact, etc. perfect= for looper!
> > http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/
> = > has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the
> > older
= > > models?any disadvantages?
> > Luis
> >
>= > www.luis-angulo.com
> >
> > ______________________= ____________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired= of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
= > > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
>
&g= t;
>
------=_Part_28346_25074719.1118254647223-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:23:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IGLH30882; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:16:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EgmLx8T26PU6BNP8GPdBdmLm/fWhPgrASXdpHo47COWDxzNW2eIWbZsnDJR5f2Ai4KibKiPQktJbDQ/Ypa60keQcDvXADLxszK2smoZBFbFYRRFy6N+M1IxPxb+Hfr1lMqBRAmbysZeahM2NkuzeAg6/i8D58U5sIKMQCfPaYmg= ; Message-ID: <20050608181522.5583.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050608175810.3565.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-559835609-1118254522=:4020" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_eSvZB.A.LhH._WzpCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-559835609-1118254522=:4020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey: I had one for a while. It was the cleanest sounding mixer I ever had. I only sold it because I was cash-strapped (ended up with a Behringer again. Sigh.). The DB-25 output requires a DB-25 snake/connector--obtainable from Guitar Center, online, etc.. Needless to say, it has a DB-25 connector on one end and whole bunch of 1/4 inch connectors on the other end. These cable configs are not cheap. $75.00 or so, if I remember correctly. Pawel mark sottilaro wrote: Hm, this also looks perfect for my studio. I've been thinking of upgrading my Soundcraft but few boards I could find at the time had a direct out for each channel as this does. I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I saw the outputs, they look like computer serial cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to bring those outs into a MOTU 828? Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > Hi gang, > there was a lot of talk for a few months about not > having enough aux sends in the compact mackies but > this one seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4, > FX,compact, etc. perfect for looper! > http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/ > has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the > older > models?any disadvantages? > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-559835609-1118254522=:4020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hey:
 
I had one for a while. It was the cleanest sounding mixer I ever had. I only sold it because I was cash-strapped (ended up with a Behringer again. Sigh.). The DB-25 output requires a DB-25 snake/connector--obtainable from Guitar Center, online, etc.. Needless to say, it has a DB-25 connector on one end and whole bunch of 1/4 inch connectors on the other end. These cable configs are not cheap. $75.00 or so, if I remember correctly. 
 
Pawel

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hm, this also looks perfect for my studio. I've been
thinking of upgrading my Soundcraft but few boards I
could find at the time had a direct out for each
channel as this does.

I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct
outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I
saw the outputs, they look like computer serial
cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to bring
those outs into a MOTU 828?

Mark

--- "L. Angulo" wrote:
> Hi gang,
> there was a lot of talk for a few months about not
> having enough aux sends in the compact mackies but
> this one seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4,
> FX,compact, etc. perfect for looper!
> http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/
> has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the
> older
> models?any disadvantages?
> Luis
>
> www.luis-angulo.com
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com --0-559835609-1118254522=:4020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:23:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IMGQ32397; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:29:37 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Blue or Red? To: Message-id: <009501c56c58$0747e040$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050608181703.11424.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com uh-oh! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Blue or Red? > check this out: > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JamMan/ > > Read the last phrase. Funny eh? > > Mark > > --- Ben wrote: > > ...for the new jamman looper > > Just have a look at this: > > > http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html > > > > Sorry, only in french. > > > > CU, > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _ > > > > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de > > stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! > > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IOoJ00383; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:24:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:24:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050608182401.26687.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Blue or Red? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But evedently lots of marketing people. Man, what a world this would be if someone would actually rerelease the Jamman with better audio specs and more looptime.... --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:58 AM 6/8/2005, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >- the newsgroup writer wonders if Bob Sellon / > Lexicon has given the rights > >to the "JamMan" name > > Harman owns Digitech. > Harman owns Lexicon. > Harman owns the word "JamMan". > Bob doesn't work there anymore. > (nor anyone else who understands the JamMan, > apparently). > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:33:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IWxD00921; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:32:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:32:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:39:42 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Blue or Red? To: Message-id: <00a001c56c59$6fd2c3e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050608182401.26687.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think some will suggest they just did! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Blue or Red? > But evedently lots of marketing people. > > Man, what a world this would be if someone would > actually rerelease the Jamman with better audio specs > and more looptime.... > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > At 08:58 AM 6/8/2005, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > >- the newsgroup writer wonders if Bob Sellon / > > Lexicon has given the rights > > >to the "JamMan" name > > > > Harman owns Digitech. > > Harman owns Lexicon. > > Harman owns the word "JamMan". > > Bob doesn't work there anymore. > > (nor anyone else who understands the JamMan, > > apparently). > > > > kim > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 14:35:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58IWhc00911; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:32:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:30:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Blue or Red? Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c001c56bff$28323a20$6402a8c0@Ruelle1> Message-Id: <684DEFF4-D84B-11D9-BABF-000393B593E6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j58IWIQ00877 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow. this is all so exciting. new repeater, new jamman. the whole summer is looking like christmas. On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 12:53 AM, Ben wrote: > ...for the new jamman looper > Just have a look at this: > http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/ > index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html > > Sorry, only in french. > > CU, > > Ben > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ______ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage > pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur > http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 15:03:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58J1XZ04907; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:01:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:01:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YzbUcLSckAfQOrvCweFDteucjU/KOzvjCN6YvPCv40TpsWQCHPrt/fbZ4ElmP1lhWFzRlmQ4StI0bA+wsVMNVKeU9G2d/fFAyFXHeBr307ThC3FDzRX01ZOaPFoClK9R66grT+bczAO2dlVLMiPFEEGq1bvYQrW6TPYHULf/vMA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:00:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blue or Red? In-Reply-To: <009501c56c58$0747e040$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050608181703.11424.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> <009501c56c58$0747e040$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j58J0wQ04839 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but: No other tool comes close to the cool vibe of this echo monster! Get yours now. On 6/8/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > uh-oh! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: Blue or Red? > > > > check this out: > > > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JamMan/ > > > > Read the last phrase. Funny eh? > > > > Mark > > > > --- Ben wrote: > > > ...for the new jamman looper > > > Just have a look at this: > > > > > > http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/apprendre/mailing_forums/index,idtopic,123741,mao,news-jamman-nouveau-est-arrive.html > > > > > > Sorry, only in french. > > > > > > CU, > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > > > > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de > > > stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! > > > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 15:23:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58JM7c06901; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42A74548.8050008@biink.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:21:44 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blue or Red? References: <20050608181703.11424.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050608181703.11424.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark sottilaro wrote: >check this out: > >http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JamMan/ > >Read the last phrase. Funny eh? > > > Digitech's JamMan is the loopers delight! really now... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 15:27:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58JQVc07240; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:26:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:26:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m5seA3Ks7EHm3znXmTb6+SwiD0TQ4MsEO0wdxqcHhhPmbqV4KDeL6NAb36hm85f+QfU//m1yBDxhFgXA5EW1zvPF2rVAiYovdJGPCWIHaszjA3Kx/Qs+QdYXJwkU5zur/KptyqhxUvPGkpGgXRgBA3sWPiSP1c3w/XnlIAy5drU= Message-ID: <588ce11d05060812243625dafc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:24:41 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j58JOfQ07119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'm confused, when I followed the soundforge link and read the FAQ, it seemed to clearly say it didn't support recording: 2.3 Why is there no support for USB/audio input recording/... Because it hasn't been written yet. This may be for a number of reasons such as time or insufficient documentation. As stated previous the goal is to support all hardware features on the iPod so hopefully we will get there eventually. Is recording currently supported? Sounds like it still is pretty early in development, but the potential seems pretty cool. On 6/8/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Like most LInux-related things, it's easy, reliable and cheap: > > http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/index.shtml > > > > On 6/8/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > At 4:56 PM -0700 6/7/05, biz wrote: > > > > I'm very happy with a Casio DAT recorder. It sounds much better than > > >> iPod or mini disc! And it has digital in- an output for easy full > > >> quality transfer of recordings to computers for editing or cd burning. > > >> > > > > > >Are you refering to a standard ipod, with the recording limited to > > >8khz, or an ipod running linux, with recording enabled up to 96khz? > > > > > >bIz > > > > > > How do you convert an ipod to do this? How do you then get input into it? > > > > TIA > > Edwin > > > > -- > > > > Edwin Hurwitz > > Boulder CO > > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 15:59:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58Jwnn09257; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <78.74b539fa.2fd8a7c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:57:54 EDT Subject: SoCal Gig Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.74b539fa.2fd8a7c2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_78.74b539fa.2fd8a7c2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, Me (electric guitar and EDP loops) and looping drummer Bob Sterling=20 (Roland Handsonic and Repeater) will be making some weird noises=20 down in Southern California soon.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ventura New Music Festival Curator: Jeff Kaiser Saturday, June 25, 2005 Ventura City Hall Foyer 501 Poli Street in the heart of Downtown Ventura GET a copy of the poster by clicking here: http://www.pfmentum.com/images/VNMF.pdf (It is small and downloads fast!) 4pm (Afternoon concert is FREE) Send My Regards Justin Cassidy and Patrick Rodriguez Electronics Ted Killian, Electric Guitar and Electronics Bob Sterling, Drums and Electronics 7pm ($10 admission to this show) missincinatti Jeremy Drake and Jessica Catron Acoustic guitar and Cello Many Axes Brad Dutz, Scott Wilkinson, Susan Rawcliffe Handmade Percussion and Wind Instruments Steuart Liebig and Anna Homler Found Objects, Voice, and Contrabass Guitars Jeff Kaiser and Jim Connolly Trumpet, Contrabass, eElectronics pfMENTUM.com for more information Sponsored in part with a grant from the City of Ventura's Office=20 of Cultural Affairs =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_78.74b539fa.2fd8a7c2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks,

Me (electric guitar and EDP loops) and looping drummer Bob Sterling
(Roland Handsonic and Repeater) will be making some weird noises
down in Southern California soon.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Ventura New Music Festival
Curator: Jeff Kaiser

Saturday, June 25, 2005
Ventura City Hall Foyer
501 Poli Street
in the heart of Downtown Ventura

GET a copy of the poster by clicking here:
http://www.pfmentum.com/images/VNMF.pdf
(It is small and downloads fast!)

4pm (Afternoon concert is FREE)

Send My Regards
Justin Cassidy and Patrick Rodriguez
Electronics

Ted Killian, Electric Guitar and Electronics
Bob Sterling, Drums and Electronics

7pm ($10 admission to this show)

missincinatti
Jeremy Drake and Jessica Catron
Acoustic guitar and Cello

Many Axes
Brad Dutz, Scott Wilkinson, Susan Rawcliffe
Handmade Percussion and Wind Instruments

Steuart Liebig and Anna Homler
Found Objects, Voice, and Contrabass Guitars

Jeff Kaiser and Jim Connolly
Trumpet, Contrabass, eElectronics

pfMENTUM.com for more information

Sponsored in part with a grant from the City of Ventura's Office
of Cultural Affairs

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_78.74b539fa.2fd8a7c2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 18:26:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58MMv226929; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:22:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050608222136.76181.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I got that part. I'm talking about this: http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1620/images/1620_rear.jpg what are those serial port looking jacks on the back? Mark --- Patrick EL MELIANI wrote: > balanced signal means that 3 contacts : 1 ground ,2 > + , 3 - ; unbalanced means 2 contacts : 1 ground , 2 > + > > that's all . balanced signal is more "professionnel > "! > Pat > > > > > Message du 08/06/05 20:01 > > De : "mark sottilaro" > > A : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Copie à : > > Objet : Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 > > > > Hm, this also looks perfect for my studio. I've > been > > thinking of upgrading my Soundcraft but few boards > I > > could find at the time had a direct out for each > > channel as this does. > > > > I have one question though: what's "Balanced > direct > > outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" > mean? I > > saw the outputs, they look like computer serial > > cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to > bring > > those outs into a MOTU 828? > > > > Mark > > > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > > there was a lot of talk for a few months about > not > > > having enough aux sends in the compact mackies > but > > > this one seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4, > > > FX,compact, etc. perfect for looper! > > > http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/ > > > has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the > > > older > > > models?any disadvantages? > > > Luis > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 19:35:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j58NYlP32410; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:34:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:34:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Mackie Onyx 1620 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 01:35:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c56c82$ca66cc10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050608222136.76181.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j58NYMQ32121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know that old saying: RTFM? ;-) Quoted from the manual, available at http://www.mackie.com/pdf/onyx1620_om.pdf "The RECORDING OUTS on the back of the Onyx 1620 provide balanced direct outputs for channels 1-16 on two female DB25 connectors. These connectors are pin-for-pin compatible with the analog (not TDIF) DB25 connectors found on TASCAM DTRS recorders, which has become an industry standard for many professional audio manufacturers. They are also the same pinout as the analog cards for the Mackie D8B and hard disk recorders. (pinning table follows) Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Juni 2005 00:22 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 No, I got that part. I'm talking about this: http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1620/images/16 20_rear.jpg what are those serial port looking jacks on the back? Mark --- Patrick EL MELIANI wrote: > balanced signal means that 3 contacts : 1 ground ,2 > + , 3 - ; unbalanced means 2 contacts : 1 ground , 2 > + > > that's all . balanced signal is more "professionnel > "! > Pat > > > > > Message du 08/06/05 20:01 > > De : "mark sottilaro" > > A : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Copie à : > > Objet : Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 > > > > Hm, this also looks perfect for my studio. I've > been > > thinking of upgrading my Soundcraft but few boards > I > > could find at the time had a direct out for each > > channel as this does. > > > > I have one question though: what's "Balanced > direct > > outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" > mean? I > > saw the outputs, they look like computer serial > > cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to > bring > > those outs into a MOTU 828? > > > > Mark > > > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > > there was a lot of talk for a few months about > not > > > having enough aux sends in the compact mackies > but > > > this one seems to have it all,4 sends, alt3/4, FX,compact, etc. > > > perfect for looper! http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/ > > > has anybody tried it yet and compared it to the > > > older > > > models?any disadvantages? > > > Luis > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 8 20:58:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j590vaJ06396; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:57:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EK9P7QX9XrHlCULT7Js8/LuQoN2sZL/RGA9IHyM8UnYQ8CeRqhFPRLF0wqi5fAWdZAGIwIp5iRzNGfnexBmIuaDM3F9vKfZTZIST4kQFjEfVa5mnC3dbTInJ8KzxvLB7o7yNsRqtYF0+ddAAbNt0ovDix4R5tDvG84O1fZdbJ0s= Message-ID: <588ce11d0506081756432ed85a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:56:34 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Travis Hartnett , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: portable recorder advice... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <130C662C-5F17-4EEE-AD31-F8BC6B953B17@boysen.se> <588ce11d05060812243625dafc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j590uYQ06213 Resent-Message-ID: <8nzgjC.A.WhB.CP5pCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure the Linux iPod advice is really appropriate for someone who has important audio to record, or anyone looking for something that will work out of the box. For instance, stereo is a little fussy: "If you're feeling really geeky, try recording in stereo by using the line-in pins on a modified dock connector." Looks like really great potential though. On 6/8/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > http://playlistmag.com/features/2005/03/linuxipod/index.php > > On 6/8/05, Art Simon wrote: > > OK, I'm confused, when I followed the soundforge link and read the > > FAQ, it seemed to clearly say it didn't support recording: > > > > 2.3 Why is there no support for USB/audio input recording/... > > > > Because it hasn't been written yet. This may be for a number of > > reasons such as time or insufficient documentation. As stated previous > > the goal is to support all hardware features on the iPod so hopefully > > we will get there eventually. > > > > Is recording currently supported? Sounds like it still is pretty > > early in development, but the potential seems pretty cool. > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 00:08:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5947Ig27202; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:07:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ajYDl/epP7ygZ35ElVNt1e0QJdrr1mRG5f9idBGxguUkSpDIRX/+Vv8Af0tJl4eY; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:15:43 -0700 Subject: Re: SoCal Gig Spam Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-396905986 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <78.74b539fa.2fd8a7c2@aol.com> Message-Id: <253DA600-D89D-11D9-867A-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48f4c3da8ddeffcd3b94493180ecba9bcff83aa984341be17f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.63.134 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-396905986 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks Ted Can't wait. joe On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 12:57 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi folks, > > Me (electric guitar and EDP loops) and looping drummer Bob Sterling > (Roland Handsonic and Repeater) will be making some weird noises > down in Southern California soon. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Ventura New Music Festival > Curator: Jeff Kaiser > > Saturday, June 25, 2005 > Ventura City Hall Foyer > 501 Poli Street > in the heart of Downtown Ventura > > GET a copy of the poster by clicking here: > http://www.pfmentum.com/images/VNMF.pdf > (It is small and downloads fast!) > > 4pm (Afternoon concert is FREE) > > Send My Regards > Justin Cassidy and Patrick Rodriguez > Electronics > > Ted Killian, Electric Guitar and Electronics > Bob Sterling, Drums and Electronics > > 7pm ($10 admission to this show) > > missincinatti > Jeremy Drake and Jessica Catron > Acoustic guitar and Cello > > Many Axes > Brad Dutz, Scott Wilkinson, Susan Rawcliffe > Handmade Percussion and Wind Instruments > > Steuart Liebig and Anna Homler > Found Objects, Voice, and Contrabass Guitars > > Jeff Kaiser and Jim Connolly > Trumpet, Contrabass, eElectronics > > pfMENTUM.com for more information > > Sponsored in part with a grant from the City of Ventura's Office > of Cultural Affairs > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Best regards, > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." > --Apple-Mail-4-396905986 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Ted Can't wait. joe On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 12:57 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000Hi folks, Me (electric guitar and EDP loops) and looping drummer Bob Sterling (Roland Handsonic and Repeater) will be making some weird noises down in Southern California soon. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ventura New Music Festival Curator: Jeff Kaiser Saturday, June 25, 2005 Ventura City Hall Foyer 501 Poli Street in the heart of Downtown Ventura GET a copy of the poster by clicking here: http://www.pfmentum.com/images/VNMF.pdf (It is small and downloads fast!) 4pm (Afternoon concert is FREE) Send My Regards Justin Cassidy and Patrick Rodriguez Electronics Ted Killian, Electric Guitar and Electronics Bob Sterling, Drums and Electronics 7pm ($10 admission to this show) missincinatti Jeremy Drake and Jessica Catron Acoustic guitar and Cello Many Axes Brad Dutz, Scott Wilkinson, Susan Rawcliffe Handmade Percussion and Wind Instruments Steuart Liebig and Anna Homler Found Objects, Voice, and Contrabass Guitars Jeff Kaiser and Jim Connolly Trumpet, Contrabass, eElectronics pfMENTUM.com for more information Sponsored in part with a grant from the City of Ventura's Office of Cultural Affairs =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." Arial = --Apple-Mail-4-396905986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 00:26:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j594PXA01216; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:25:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5vYF/LtNkYiSU889vBxDw4+VIJeC/DulVEVbOdtiskM5LXh4f5SEBJ7NoCUIqk/pzexTrXOIOmR2xbAneYOlucpjMPLHldoC7uhlrj0+mOuU3TgRowwXiGbmE1q7Mub4fUAJ4zqkAShiYXv2Kc63c7ARyy3C59kIsu1tu5z91j4= ; Message-ID: <20050609042500.10580.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: X-Y midi foot controller? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm wondering if there is a product already in existence that is an X/Y midi foot controller? Kind of like a joystick, but controlled by your foot. I don't see it being too hard to DIY it either. =RANDY LEIFER= __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 00:50:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j594gCT02118; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:42:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C56CAD.7CEBD6B4" Subject: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:41:15 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010085E8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) thread-index: AcVsrXiCpQ5bhZmWTGeAZy8ia1JO7Q== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2005 04:41:17.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[7976D4A0:01C56CAD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56CAD.7CEBD6B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Folks - Ah, what the hell...let's see if this flies or goes over like a cast iron blimp. A boy has got to dream.... I'd like to test the idea of an online musical recording collaboration and ultimately produce a low-budget CD of duo works. This would be titled "Xperimentus: Krispen Hartung & Friends", me and a number of other players. The genre would be avant-garde/experimental, and involve looping of course. I would be looking for LP members whose strength is in soloing, rather than laying down chordal soundscapes, textures, etc (I consider percussion a solo instrument as well). Soundcapes and foundational textures are good, but just a foundation for more complex single note "conversations" and "dialogues". This is just my preference as artistic director of the project. Composition/Performance Parameters The primary parameters of the project, non-exhaustive, of course: * All pieces will be non-metered (no time signature) and free flowing or with just a rhythmic pulse * All pieces will have some degree of melodic/solo work, either by itself or over the top of textures and soundscapes (hence the request for players whose forte is soloing) * All pieces will have no key / they will be predominantly non-diatonic....general tonal centers are fine, but with a significant degree of "outside" playing, tension and release, etc - this is essentially Free project * Other parameters are negotiable Main point, I'm not shooting for pretty or lofty tunes that have popular appeal, but more of a dark, abstract, or obscure feel. Two examples, not meant to be a strict model are: Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo: http://www.savefile.com/filehost/projects3.php?fid=3D9594603&pid=3D830188= Artificial Reprise: http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=3D2485638 I may even start the CDs with these tunes....not sure. Collaboration Approach Because I can't "play with" someone online, the collaboration will have to be reactive rather than interactive. I want to keep the approach fairly loose and open to negotiation, but here are a few sketchy approaches for starters: APPROACH A 1. Musician A lays down his track for the entire song in such a way that it leaves room for a second part - Could be just a basic soundscape, textures, sound effects, etc - Could be purely melodic work with breathing points for response from player B (to allow call and response) 2. Musician B lays down his track over Musician A's track 3. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down APPROACH B 1. Musician A lays down a section of a song 2. Musician B lays down another section of the song in sequence (directly following the first section) 3. Repeat 1. and 2. 4. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down These are just general guiding principles...really anything goes. If we both want to play chaotic parts that overlay each other with no planned interaction, this is fine...radical, but fine. The basic file exchange approach is that the track would be recorded to wav or aif format and posted to SaveFile.com. Each contributor would use whatever software they use to lay their track over that wav file, and then re-post (CD quality, 16 bit, as close to 0db as possible). I'll master everything in ProTools, add final touch enhancements, etc. CD Design/Credits/Financial Details * I'll handle all the CD mastering, artwork layout and design (any input welcome, of course) * I'll pay for the production of the CD using Shortrun Music, plus pay to put it on CD Baby, get a barcode, setup, pay for digital distribution, etc ($55 total) * Everyone will get credit for their playing on the CD * I will make no net profit on the CD; once we agree on a CD price, I'll pay the cost of the CD first, and the remaining profit will be divided up based on the percentage one plays on the CD; for instance, if the CD costs $5 to make, sells for $15, is 80 minutes long, and your total playing time is 10 minutes, then your profit would be 12.5% of $10, or $1.25 (US). I'll pay everyone via PayPal. In short, I'm doing most of the production work and not doing this for money, but for my own artistic gratification and desire to play with others. I'm not in any rush to get this complete either....whatever time it takes is fine with me, especially since I have another solo CD coming out in September. If it takes a year, then I'm fine with that. I think 5 contributors, not including myself would be ideal, but it all depends on the number and length of the songs. 5 min tunes are probably a good standard. Anyone interested? Listen to the two samples above, and if this is something you think fits your style, then send me an email along with some samples of your music. Once I have a handful of interested parties, I'll select those for the CD, and the rest I'll post as a digital CD, and perhaps use for a part II CD. Or just tell me that I'm off my rocker. Kris ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56CAD.7CEBD6B4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for online collaborators from LP (for = avant-garde/experimental duo project)

Hello Folks -

Ah, what the hell…let's see if = this flies or goes over like a cast iron blimp. A boy has got to = dream….

I'd like to test the idea of an online = musical recording collaboration and ultimately produce a low-budget CD = of duo works. This would be titled "Xperimentus: Krispen Hartung = & Friends", me and a number of other players.  The = genre would be avant-garde/experimental, and involve looping of course. = I would be looking for LP members whose strength is in soloing, rather = than laying down chordal soundscapes, textures, etc (I consider = percussion a solo instrument as well).  Soundcapes and foundational = textures are good, but just a foundation for more complex single note = "conversations" and "dialogues". This is just my = preference as artistic director of the project.

Composition/Performance = Parameters

The primary parameters of the project, = non-exhaustive, of course:

  • All pieces will be non-metered (no = time signature) and free flowing or with just a rhythmic = pulse
  • All pieces will have some degree of = melodic/solo work, either by itself or over the top of textures and = soundscapes (hence the request for players whose forte is = soloing)
  • All pieces will have no key / they = will be predominantly non-diatonic….general tonal centers are = fine, but with a significant degree of "outside" playing, = tension and release, etc - this is essentially Free project
  • Other parameters are = negotiable

Main point, I'm not shooting for = pretty  or lofty tunes that have popular appeal, but more of a = dark, abstract, or obscure feel.  Two examples, not meant to be a = strict model are:

Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo: http://www.savefile.com/filehost/projects3.php?fid=3D95946= 03&pid=3D830188
Artificial Reprise: = http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=3D24856= 38

I may even start the CDs with these = tunes….not sure.

Collaboration Approach

Because I can't "play with" = someone online, the collaboration will have to be reactive rather than = interactive.  I want to keep the approach fairly loose and open to = negotiation, but here are a few sketchy approaches for = starters:

APPROACH A

1. Musician A lays down his track for = the entire song in such a way that it leaves room for a second = part
 - Could be just a basic = soundscape, textures, sound effects, etc
 - Could be purely melodic work = with breathing points for response from player B (to allow call and = response)
2. Musician B lays down his track over = Musician A's track
3. Either Musician A or B, or both, = could lay additional tracks down

APPROACH B

1. Musician A lays down a section of a = song
2. Musician B lays down another = section of the song in sequence (directly following the first = section)
3. Repeat 1. and 2.
4. Either Musician A or B, or both, = could lay additional tracks down

These are just general guiding = principles…really anything goes.  If we both want to play = chaotic parts that overlay each other with no planned interaction, this = is fine…radical, but fine. The basic file exchange approach is = that the track would be recorded to wav or aif format and posted to = SaveFile.com. Each contributor would use whatever software they use to = lay their track over that wav file, and then re-post (CD quality, 16 = bit, as close to 0db as possible). I'll master everything in ProTools, = add final touch enhancements, etc.

CD Design/Credits/Financial = Details

  • I'll handle all the CD mastering, = artwork layout and design (any input welcome, of course)
  • I'll pay for the production of the CD = using Shortrun Music, plus pay to put it on CD Baby, get a barcode, = setup, pay for digital distribution, etc ($55 total)
  • Everyone will get credit for their = playing on the CD
  • I will make no net = profit on the CD; once we agree = on a CD price, I'll pay the cost of the CD first, and the remaining = profit will be divided up based on the percentage one plays on the CD; = for instance, if the CD costs $5 to make, sells for $15, is 80 minutes = long, and your total playing time is 10 minutes, then your profit would = be 12.5% of $10, or $1.25 (US).  I'll pay everyone via = PayPal.

In short, I'm doing most of the = production work and not doing this for money, but for my own artistic = gratification and desire to play with others.  I'm not in any rush = to get this complete either….whatever time it takes is fine with = me, especially since I have another solo CD coming out in September. If = it takes a year, then I'm fine with that.

I think 5 contributors, not including = myself would be ideal, but it all depends on the number and length of = the songs. 5 min tunes are probably a good standard.

Anyone interested?  Listen to the = two samples above, and if this is something you think fits your style, = then send me an email along with some samples of your music.  Once = I have a handful of interested parties, I'll select those for the CD, = and the rest I'll post as a digital CD, and perhaps use for a part II = CD.

Or just tell me that I'm off my = rocker.

Kris



------_=_NextPart_001_01C56CAD.7CEBD6B4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 01:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j595SIB06317; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 01:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 01:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:28:47 -0800 Subject: Re: SoCal Gig Spam From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <253DA600-D89D-11D9-867A-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j595RcQ06241 Resent-Message-ID: <8O7ZpD.A.zhB.KN9pCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com broke a loag ted > Thanks Ted > > Can't wait. > > > joe > On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 12:57 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> Me (electric guitar and EDP loops) and looping drummer Bob Sterling >> (Roland Handsonic and Repeater) will be making some weird noises >> down in Southern California soon. >> >> ========================================================== >> >> Ventura New Music Festival >> Curator: Jeff Kaiser >> >> Saturday, June 25, 2005 >> Ventura City Hall Foyer >> 501 Poli Street >> in the heart of Downtown Ventura >> >> GET a copy of the poster by clicking here: >> http://www.pfmentum.com/images/VNMF.pdf >> (It is small and downloads fast!) >> >> 4pm (Afternoon concert is FREE) >> >> Send My Regards >> Justin Cassidy and Patrick Rodriguez >> Electronics >> >> Ted Killian, Electric Guitar and Electronics >> Bob Sterling, Drums and Electronics >> >> 7pm ($10 admission to this show) >> >> missincinatti >> Jeremy Drake and Jessica Catron >> Acoustic guitar and Cello >> >> Many Axes >> Brad Dutz, Scott Wilkinson, Susan Rawcliffe >> Handmade Percussion and Wind Instruments >> >> Steuart Liebig and Anna Homler >> Found Objects, Voice, and Contrabass Guitars >> >> Jeff Kaiser and Jim Connolly >> Trumpet, Contrabass, eElectronics >> >> pfMENTUM.com for more information >> >> Sponsored in part with a grant from the City of Ventura's Office >> of Cultural Affairs >> >> ========================================================== >> >> Best regards, >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? >> >> "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 05:41:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j599eha00448; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 05:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 05:40:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014101c56cd7$2ee78360$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:39:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark asked: "No, I got that part. I'm talking about this: http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1620/images/1620_rear.jpg what are those serial port looking jacks on the back?" If I'm not mistaken, those are Alesis ADAT connectors, which are 8 channel, balanced connectors used for passing signal to and from an ADAT digital recorder. Am I right? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 06:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59ANYZ04937; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:23:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:23:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.204] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010085E8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:22:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2005 10:22:53.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[31E9B820:01C56CDD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris - i'd love to do something on this, if you'll have me! sim www.simeonharris.co.uk >From: "Hartung, Kris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for >avant-garde/experimental duo project) >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:41:15 -0600 > >Hello Folks - > >Ah, what the hell...let's see if this flies or goes over like a cast >iron blimp. A boy has got to dream.... > >I'd like to test the idea of an online musical recording collaboration >and ultimately produce a low-budget CD of duo works. This would be >titled "Xperimentus: Krispen Hartung & Friends", me and a number of >other players. The genre would be avant-garde/experimental, and involve >looping of course. I would be looking for LP members whose strength is >in soloing, rather than laying down chordal soundscapes, textures, etc >(I consider percussion a solo instrument as well). Soundcapes and >foundational textures are good, but just a foundation for more complex >single note "conversations" and "dialogues". This is just my preference >as artistic director of the project. > >Composition/Performance Parameters > >The primary parameters of the project, non-exhaustive, of course: > >* All pieces will be non-metered (no time signature) and free >flowing or with just a rhythmic pulse >* All pieces will have some degree of melodic/solo work, either by >itself or over the top of textures and soundscapes (hence the request >for players whose forte is soloing) >* All pieces will have no key / they will be predominantly >non-diatonic....general tonal centers are fine, but with a significant >degree of "outside" playing, tension and release, etc - this is >essentially Free project >* Other parameters are negotiable > >Main point, I'm not shooting for pretty or lofty tunes that have >popular appeal, but more of a dark, abstract, or obscure feel. Two >examples, not meant to be a strict model are: > >Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo: >http://www.savefile.com/filehost/projects3.php?fid=9594603&pid=830188 >Artificial Reprise: >http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=2485638 > >I may even start the CDs with these tunes....not sure. > >Collaboration Approach > >Because I can't "play with" someone online, the collaboration will have >to be reactive rather than interactive. I want to keep the approach >fairly loose and open to negotiation, but here are a few sketchy >approaches for starters: > >APPROACH A > >1. Musician A lays down his track for the entire song in such a way that >it leaves room for a second part > - Could be just a basic soundscape, textures, sound effects, etc > - Could be purely melodic work with breathing points for response from >player B (to allow call and response) >2. Musician B lays down his track over Musician A's track >3. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down > >APPROACH B > >1. Musician A lays down a section of a song >2. Musician B lays down another section of the song in sequence >(directly following the first section) >3. Repeat 1. and 2. >4. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down > >These are just general guiding principles...really anything goes. If we >both want to play chaotic parts that overlay each other with no planned >interaction, this is fine...radical, but fine. The basic file exchange >approach is that the track would be recorded to wav or aif format and >posted to SaveFile.com. Each contributor would use whatever software >they use to lay their track over that wav file, and then re-post (CD >quality, 16 bit, as close to 0db as possible). I'll master everything in >ProTools, add final touch enhancements, etc. > >CD Design/Credits/Financial Details > >* I'll handle all the CD mastering, artwork layout and design (any >input welcome, of course) >* I'll pay for the production of the CD using Shortrun Music, plus >pay to put it on CD Baby, get a barcode, setup, pay for digital >distribution, etc ($55 total) >* Everyone will get credit for their playing on the CD >* I will make no net profit on the CD; once we agree on a CD >price, I'll pay the cost of the CD first, and the remaining profit will >be divided up based on the percentage one plays on the CD; for instance, >if the CD costs $5 to make, sells for $15, is 80 minutes long, and your >total playing time is 10 minutes, then your profit would be 12.5% of >$10, or $1.25 (US). I'll pay everyone via PayPal. > >In short, I'm doing most of the production work and not doing this for >money, but for my own artistic gratification and desire to play with >others. I'm not in any rush to get this complete either....whatever >time it takes is fine with me, especially since I have another solo CD >coming out in September. If it takes a year, then I'm fine with that. > >I think 5 contributors, not including myself would be ideal, but it all >depends on the number and length of the songs. 5 min tunes are probably >a good standard. > >Anyone interested? Listen to the two samples above, and if this is >something you think fits your style, then send me an email along with >some samples of your music. Once I have a handful of interested >parties, I'll select those for the CD, and the rest I'll post as a >digital CD, and perhaps use for a part II CD. > >Or just tell me that I'm off my rocker. > >Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 06:26:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59AQ4Y05245; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:26:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:26:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:25:37 +0100 Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050609042500.10580.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are various MIDI keyboard scanner kits which output notes and/or continuous controllers. One example is http://geocities.com/midiboutique/index.html I'm looking at the options available on the 'net to build a custom board to use with SooperLooper. If you come up with an elegant mechanical system for an X/Y footpedal I'd love to see it. Best wishes jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > I'm wondering if there is a product already in > existence that is an X/Y midi foot controller? > > Kind of like a joystick, but controlled by your foot. > I don't see it being too hard to DIY it either. > > =RANDY LEIFER= > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 07:12:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59BBxS09232; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-ME-UUID: 20050609111123440.6B7757000083@mwinf1312.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <29214516.1118315483432.JavaMail.www@wwinf1303> From: Patrick EL MELIANI Reply-To: patrick.elmeliani@wanadoo.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_47003_5420119.1118315483427" X-Originating-IP: [80.11.105.174] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_47003_5420119.1118315483427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for recording , here's to simpli= fy , to not have 16 jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who own = the same connector like a computer sound card or a digital multitrack recor= der. PAT > Message du 09/06/05 11:41 > De : "loop.pool"=20 > A : "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"=20 > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 >=20 > Mark asked: > "No, I got that part. I'm talking about this: > http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=3D/products/onyx1620/images/1= 620_rear.jpg > what are those serial port looking jacks on the back?" >=20 > If I'm not mistaken, those are Alesis ADAT connectors, which are 8 channe= l,=20 > balanced > connectors used for passing signal to and from an ADAT digital recorder. >=20 > Am I right?=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_47003_5420119.1118315483427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_Part_47003_5420119.1118315483427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 08:13:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59CCYm14498; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:11:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That seems to be a good web shop for buying pre-fab midi gadgets. I would really much like to have a touch sensitive X-Y floor carpet assisted by a stomp box of five to ten buttons that change the parameters of the X and Y axis. By dragging a toe along the carpet you can then control certain processes. It's too bad there are so few products out there for "hands-off" midi control. I'm not the least interested in computers or electronics, but the lack of well designed products forces you to throw an awful lot of time into learning software and to solder electronic components. And you will always think it was worth it when you finally get there to play the instruments extended by electronics. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jun 9, 2005, at 12:25, jeremy wrote: > There are various MIDI keyboard scanner kits which output notes and/or > continuous controllers. > > One example is http://geocities.com/midiboutique/index.html > > I'm looking at the options available on the 'net to build a custom > board to > use with SooperLooper. > > If you come up with an elegant mechanical system for an X/Y > footpedal I'd > love to see it. > > Best wishes > > jeremy > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > >> I'm wondering if there is a product already in >> existence that is an X/Y midi foot controller? >> >> Kind of like a joystick, but controlled by your foot. >> I don't see it being too hard to DIY it either. >> >> =RANDY LEIFER= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 08:25:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59CJCc15021; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:19:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:19:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: pmimlitsch@mac.com Subject: Denver area Loopsters Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:21:58 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <5TfIMC.A.0oD.6MDqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recently retired and relocated to beautiful Evergreen Co. In the process of setting up my home studio/ recording space and am interested in meeting/ working/ jamming with any musicians (loopers or non loopers) in the area. (I'm also interested in "fleshing out" my "lo-key/ semi-acoustic/ solo/ loop improv. gigging project -"LightsEdgeProject-with a bassist (upright would be great), horn, and percussionist (hand drums). Anybody interested can reach me via this list or my website (under recon) at: << http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/Menu10.html >> Thanks for listening. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 08:28:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59CRlS15627; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:27:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:27:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: pmimlitsch@mac.com Subject: skb dj capsule question Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:32:06 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the semi non-loop content, though I figured someone on the list could answer this. Can't find info on the size of the access door on the back of the rack and need to know: if I were to mount a Mackie 1202 VLZ in the top, with the access door removed, will I have access to the inserts located on the top of the mixer and is there clearance for the main XLR inserts? Can't find a picture of the access door or get anybody at SKB to answer the phone. Thanks. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 08:31:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59CUNA15924; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <155.5261b72d.2fd99037@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:29:43 EDT Subject: Re: skb dj capsule question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1118320183" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1118320183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:27:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pmimlitsch@mac.com writes: Sorry for the semi non-loop content, though I figured someone on the list could answer this. Can't find info on the size of the access door on the back of the rack and need to know: if I were to mount a Mackie 1202 VLZ in the top, with the access door removed, will I have access to the inserts located on the top of the mixer and is there clearance for the main XLR inserts? Can't find a picture of the access door or get anybody at SKB to answer the phone. Thanks. - Paul I use one of these cases, but I'm not familiar with the Mackie 1202. I can give you dimensions by tomorrow if that helps you. Carl -------------------------------1118320183 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 -------------------------------1118320183-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 09:00:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59CxFv21454; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:58:22 +0100 Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j59CwUQ19939 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I come across anything I¹ll let you know. A friend of mine who works with solutions for musicians who don¹t have full use of hands, feet etc. might know some things. There are various systems for getting MIDI from video, by mapping areas of the image. It¹s not a carpet but it appeals to me because those difficult to reach program changes could look hilarious to the audience !!! Best wishes jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > That seems to be a good web shop for buying pre-fab midi gadgets. I > would really much like to have a touch sensitive X-Y floor carpet > assisted by a stomp box of five to ten buttons that change the > parameters of the X and Y axis. By dragging a toe along the carpet > you can then control certain processes. It's too bad there are so few > products out there for "hands-off" midi control. I'm not the least > interested in computers or electronics, but the lack of well designed > products forces you to throw an awful lot of time into learning > software and to solder electronic components. And you will always > think it was worth it when you finally get there to play the > instruments extended by electronics. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 12:25, jeremy wrote: > >> There are various MIDI keyboard scanner kits which output notes and/or >> continuous controllers. >> >> One example is http://geocities.com/midiboutique/index.html >> >> I'm looking at the options available on the 'net to build a custom >> board to >> use with SooperLooper. >> >> If you come up with an elegant mechanical system for an X/Y >> footpedal I'd >> love to see it. >> >> Best wishes >> >> jeremy >> http://www.masse.org.uk >> >> >> >>> I'm wondering if there is a product already in >>> existence that is an X/Y midi foot controller? >>> >>> Kind of like a joystick, but controlled by your foot. >>> I don't see it being too hard to DIY it either. >>> >>> =RANDY LEIFER= > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 09:05:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59D4t421805; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:03:48 +0100 Subject: Re: skb dj capsule question From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j59D3pQ21711 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seem to remember them being fairly cramped. The lid over the mixer was fabric and not hard plastic as far as I remember which put me off. Gator racks make a similar product ­ tougher but heavier. I¹m constantly amazed at the price of what are little more than plastic boxes. I¹ve just re-racked all my gear in a fetchingly blue IKEA bathroom stool. I'll get round to putting up picture of the old and new on the website in July. Best wishes jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > Sorry for the semi non-loop content, though I figured someone on the > list could answer this. Can't find info on the size of the access door > on the back of the rack and need to know: if I were to mount a Mackie > 1202 VLZ in the top, with the access door removed, will I have access > to the inserts located on the top of the mixer and is there clearance > for the main XLR inserts? Can't find a picture of the access door or > get anybody at SKB to answer the phone. Thanks. - Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 09:05:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59D51421813; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c56cf3$aef4f8f0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:03:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sometimes play my KAOSS pad with my foot... ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeremy" To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? > If I come across anything I¹ll let you know. > > A friend of mine who works with solutions for musicians who don¹t have > full > use of hands, feet etc. might know some things. > > There are various systems for getting MIDI from video, by mapping areas of > the image. It¹s not a carpet but it appeals to me because those difficult > to > reach program changes could look hilarious to the audience !!! > > Best wishes > > > jeremy > http://www.masse.org.uk > >> >> >> That seems to be a good web shop for buying pre-fab midi gadgets. I >> would really much like to have a touch sensitive X-Y floor carpet >> assisted by a stomp box of five to ten buttons that change the >> parameters of the X and Y axis. By dragging a toe along the carpet >> you can then control certain processes. It's too bad there are so few >> products out there for "hands-off" midi control. I'm not the least >> interested in computers or electronics, but the lack of well designed >> products forces you to throw an awful lot of time into learning >> software and to solder electronic components. And you will always >> think it was worth it when you finally get there to play the >> instruments extended by electronics. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2005, at 12:25, jeremy wrote: >> >>> There are various MIDI keyboard scanner kits which output notes and/or >>> continuous controllers. >>> >>> One example is http://geocities.com/midiboutique/index.html >>> >>> I'm looking at the options available on the 'net to build a custom >>> board to >>> use with SooperLooper. >>> >>> If you come up with an elegant mechanical system for an X/Y >>> footpedal I'd >>> love to see it. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> jeremy >>> http://www.masse.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm wondering if there is a product already in >>>> existence that is an X/Y midi foot controller? >>>> >>>> Kind of like a joystick, but controlled by your foot. >>>> I don't see it being too hard to DIY it either. >>>> >>>> =RANDY LEIFER= >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 10:10:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59E9dr27162; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:09:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:09:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <005101c56cf3$aef4f8f0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> References: <005101c56cf3$aef4f8f0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:08:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j59E8vQ27086 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Jun 9, 2005, at 15:03, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I sometimes play my KAOSS pad with my foot... Now, THAT's creative! ;-) Can you assign X and Y to different MIDI cc'? Can you also change the MIDI cc assignment with the foot? By sending MIDI Program Change to the KAOSS pad? On Jun 9, 2005, at 14:58, jeremy wrote: > If I come across anything I’ll let you know. Great! I guess many on this list might take interest. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 10:27:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59EQr628526; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c56cff$1d934c20$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: <005101c56cf3$aef4f8f0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:25:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Kaoss (both KP1 and KP2, the old and the new model) send independent CCs for X axis, Y axis and X+Y axis (which, I think, is a sum of both values). On the KP1, these are preset to specific CC numbers. On the KP2, they can be set to numbers of your choosing (within a specific range). These settings are however stored in the general setup, not with patches, so you can't change the controller assignment with your foot...that's something you would have to do on the receiving side. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? > On Jun 9, 2005, at 15:03, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> I sometimes play my KAOSS pad with my foot... > > Now, THAT's creative! ;-) > Can you assign X and Y to different MIDI cc'? > Can you also change the MIDI cc assignment with the foot? > By sending MIDI Program Change to the KAOSS pad? > > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 14:58, jeremy wrote: >> If I come across anything I’ll let you know. > > Great! I guess many on this list might take interest. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 10:28:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59EQTH28515; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:26:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:26:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c56cff$1f4ce300$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: <005101c56cf3$aef4f8f0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:25:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <_AnLID.A.88G.qFFqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Kaoss (both KP1 and KP2, the old and the new model) send independent CCs for X axis, Y axis and X+Y axis (which, I think, is a sum of both values). On the KP1, these are preset to specific CC numbers. On the KP2, they can be set to numbers of your choosing (within a specific range). These settings are however stored in the general setup, not with patches, so you can't change the controller assignment with your foot...that's something you would have to do on the receiving side. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: Re: X-Y midi foot controller? > On Jun 9, 2005, at 15:03, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> I sometimes play my KAOSS pad with my foot... > > Now, THAT's creative! ;-) > Can you assign X and Y to different MIDI cc'? > Can you also change the MIDI cc assignment with the foot? > By sending MIDI Program Change to the KAOSS pad? > > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 14:58, jeremy wrote: >> If I come across anything I’ll let you know. > > Great! I guess many on this list might take interest. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 11:21:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59FI9m02692; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:18:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a401c56d06$513d9970$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FRIPP_Solo_Soundscapes_at_World_Caf=E9_Live=2C_in_Philadel?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?phia?= Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:17:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C56D17.149B88E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C56D17.149B88E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For you, loopers...=20 http://tickets.worldcafelive.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=3D876 Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C56D17.149B88E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For you, loopers... =
 
http://tickets.worldcafelive.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=3D876
 
Fabio
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
http://stage.vitaminic.it/e= terogeneo
------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C56D17.149B88E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 12:11:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59GA2o09578; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C56D0D.71EE2123" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_FRIPP_Solo_Soundscapes_at_World_Caf=E9_Live=2C_in_Ph?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?iladelphia?= Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:08:15 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010086AC@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FRIPP_Solo_Soundscapes_at_World_Caf=E9_Live=2C_in_Philadel?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?phia?= thread-index: AcVtBnhfk2+KijaoTCKBON66WnHIuAABtNeg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2005 16:08:16.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[724341E0:01C56D0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56D0D.71EE2123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent. I'll add you, Fabio. I have seven contributors now, and I = think this should do it for this first CD. If this turns out well, I'll = do a second one, Xperimentus II! Oh yeah,.. =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FRIPP Solo Soundscapes at World Caf=E9 Live, in Philadelphia For you, loopers...=20 =20 http://tickets.worldcafelive.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=3D876 =20 Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C56D0D.71EE2123 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent. I'll add you, Fabio. I have seven = contributors=20 now, and I think this should do it for this first CD. If this turns out = well,=20 I'll do a second one, Xperimentus II! Oh yeah,..
 
Kris
 

From: Fabio Anile=20 [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 = 9:17=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = FRIPP=20 Solo Soundscapes at World Caf=E9 Live, in = Philadelphia

For you, loopers... =
 
http://tickets.worldcafelive.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=3D876
 
Fabio
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
http://stage.vitaminic.it/e= terogeneo
------_=_NextPart_001_01C56D0D.71EE2123-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 12:40:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59GdkS12517; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:39:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <194.409aed62.2fd9ca3d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:37:17 EDT Subject: Re: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.409aed62.2fd9ca3d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_194.409aed62.2fd9ca3d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 06/08/05 21:42:34, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: > I'd like to test the idea of an online musical recording collaboration and= =20 > ultimately produce a low-budget CD of duo works. >=20 My own home digital recording capabilities are fairly limited. But, if I can= =20 find time, I may toss some material your way for this project at some point.= I=20 cannot promise much. But I would enjoy doing something and seeing what you=20 could make of it. You don't seem to mention a desired timeline or deadline. If you have one in= =20 mind it may be a good idea to mention it. It's often true that deadlines are= =20 made to be missed. But, a project without a deadline at all or some sense=20 urgency many times won't even get off the ground.=20 I say this 'cuz I'm basically a lazy-butt procrastinator who too often=20 manages to put off idealistic and important (but not particularly urgent) th= ings=20 'cuz there are so many urgent (but basically pretty mundane) things demandin= g to=20 be accomplished on a daily basis.=20 They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I personally feel=20 like I've laid a eight-lane super-highway half of the distance there in this= =20 life already. Best regards (and intentions), tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_194.409aed62.2fd9ca3d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

In a message dated 06/08/05 21:42:34, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

I'd like to test the i= dea of an online musical recording collaboration and ultimately produce a lo= w-budget CD of duo works.

My own home digital recording capabilities are fairly limited. But, if I can= find time, I may toss some material your way for this project at some point= . I cannot promise much. But I would enjoy doing something and seeing what y= ou could make of it.

You don't seem to mention a desired timeline or deadline. If you have one in= mind it may be a good idea to mention it. It's often true that deadlines ar= e made to be missed. But, a project without a deadline at all or some sense=20= urgency many times won't even get off the ground.

I say this 'cuz I'm basically a lazy-butt procrastinator who too often manag= es to put off idealistic and important (but not particularly urgent) things=20= 'cuz there are so many urgent (but basically pretty mundane) things demandin= g to be accomplished on a daily basis.

They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I personally feel l= ike I've laid a eight-lane super-highway half of the distance there in this=20= life already.

Best regards (and intentions),

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_194.409aed62.2fd9ca3d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 12:43:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59Gh3P13110; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:43:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42A87187.00000D.01364@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:42:47 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_B3TT24L0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010085E8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_B3TT24L0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_C3TTXFP0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_C3TTXFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://chickiboom.com/records/current/index.htm=0D =0D =0D Hi,=0D I'd like to join in. I am limited on time....but I can collab' on a trac= k. I work best under timelines. =0D =0D Above is a link to my current project. It's very avant-garde. =0D =0D Let me know,=0D Sony Felberg=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 06/08/05 21:41:24=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project)=0D =0D Hello Folks - =0D Ah, what the hell=85let's see if this flies or goes over like a cast iron blimp. A boy has got to dream=85. =0D I'd like to test the idea of an online musical recording collaboration an= d ultimately produce a low-budget CD of duo works. This would be titled=20 Xperimentus: Krispen Hartung & Friends", me and a number of other players= =2E=20 The genre would be avant-garde/experimental, and involve looping of cours= e. I would be looking for LP members whose strength is in soloing, rather th= an laying down chordal soundscapes, textures, etc (I consider percussion a s= olo instrument as well). Soundcapes and foundational textures are good, but just a foundation for more complex single note "conversations" and=20 dialogues". This is just my preference as artistic director of the projec= t.=0D Composition/Performance Parameters =0D The primary parameters of the project, non-exhaustive, of course: =0D All pieces will be non-metered (no time signature) and free flowing or wi= th just a rhythmic pulse =0D All pieces will have some degree of melodic/solo work, either by itself o= r over the top of textures and soundscapes (hence the request for players whose forte is soloing) =0D All pieces will have no key / they will be predominantly non-diatonic=85 general tonal centers are fine, but with a significant degree of "outside= " playing, tension and release, etc - this is essentially Free project =0D Other parameters are negotiable =0D =0D Main point, I'm not shooting for pretty or lofty tunes that have popular appeal, but more of a dark, abstract, or obscure feel. Two examples, not meant to be a strict model are:=0D Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo: http://www.savefile.com/filehost/projects3 php?fid=3D9594603&pid=3D830188 =0D Artificial Reprise: http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong cfm?ID=3D2485638 =0D I may even start the CDs with these tunes=85.not sure. =0D Collaboration Approach =0D Because I can't "play with" someone online, the collaboration will have t= o be reactive rather than interactive. I want to keep the approach fairly loose and open to negotiation, but here are a few sketchy approaches for starters:=0D APPROACH A =0D 1. Musician A lays down his track for the entire song in such a way that = it leaves room for a second part =0D - Could be just a basic soundscape, textures, sound effects, etc =0D - Could be purely melodic work with breathing points for response from player B (to allow call and response) =0D 2. Musician B lays down his track over Musician A's track =0D 3. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down =0D APPROACH B =0D 1. Musician A lays down a section of a song =0D 2. Musician B lays down another section of the song in sequence (directly following the first section) =0D 3. Repeat 1. and 2. =0D 4. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down =0D These are just general guiding principles=85really anything goes. If we = both want to play chaotic parts that overlay each other with no planned interaction, this is fine=85radical, but fine. The basic file exchange approach is that the track would be recorded to wav or aif format and pos= ted to SaveFile.com. Each contributor would use whatever software they use to lay their track over that wav file, and then re-post (CD quality, 16 bit,= as close to 0db as possible). I'll master everything in ProTools, add final touch enhancements, etc.=0D CD Design/Credits/Financial Details =0D I'll handle all the CD mastering, artwork layout and design (any input welcome, of course) =0D I'll pay for the production of the CD using Shortrun Music, plus pay to p= ut it on CD Baby, get a barcode, setup, pay for digital distribution, etc ($= 55 total) =0D Everyone will get credit for their playing on the CD =0D I will make no net profit on the CD; once we agree on a CD price, I'll pa= y the cost of the CD first, and the remaining profit will be divided up bas= ed on the percentage one plays on the CD; for instance, if the CD costs $5 t= o make, sells for $15, is 80 minutes long, and your total playing time is 1= 0 minutes, then your profit would be 12.5% of $10, or $1.25 (US). I'll pay everyone via PayPal. =0D =0D In short, I'm doing most of the production work and not doing this for mo= ney but for my own artistic gratification and desire to play with others. I= 'm not in any rush to get this complete either=85.whatever time it takes is = fine with me, especially since I have another solo CD coming out in September.= If it takes a year, then I'm fine with that.=0D I think 5 contributors, not including myself would be ideal, but it all depends on the number and length of the songs. 5 min tunes are probably a good standard.=0D Anyone interested? Listen to the two samples above, and if this is something you think fits your style, then send me an email along with som= e samples of your music. Once I have a handful of interested parties, I'll select those for the CD, and the rest I'll post as a digital CD, and perh= aps use for a part II CD.=0D Or just tell me that I'm off my rocker. =0D Kris =0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_C3TTXFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi,
 I'd like to join in. I am limited on time....but I can collab'= on a track. I work best under timelines.
 
 Above is a link to my current project. It's very avant-garde. =
 
Let me know,
Sony Felberg
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 06/08/05 21:= 41:24
Subject: Looking f= or online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project= )
 

Hello Folks -

Ah, what the hell=85let's see if this flie= s or goes over like a cast iron blimp. A boy has got to dream=85. =

I'd like to test the idea of an online mus= ical recording collaboration and ultimately produce a low-budget CD of du= o works. This would be titled "Xperimentus: Krispen Hartung & Frie= nds", me and a number of other players.  The genre would be avan= t-garde/experimental, and involve looping of course. I would be looking f= or LP members whose strength is in soloing, rather than laying down chord= al soundscapes, textures, etc (I consider percussion a solo instrument as= well).  Soundcapes and foundational textures are good, but just a f= oundation for more complex single note "conversations" and "dialogues". T= his is just my preference as artistic director of the project.

Composition/Performance Parameters

The primary parameters of the project, non= -exhaustive, of course:

  • All pieces will be non-metered (no time s= ignature) and free flowing or with just a rhythmic pulse=20
  • All pieces will have some degree of melod= ic/solo work, either by itself or over the top of textures and soundscape= s (hence the request for players whose forte is soloing)=20
  • All pieces will have no key / they will b= e predominantly non-diatonic=85.general tonal centers are fine, but with = a significant degree of "outside" playing, tension and release, etc - thi= s is essentially Free project=20
  • Other parameters are negotiable

Main point, I'm not shooting for pretty&nb= sp; or lofty tunes that have popular appeal, but more of a dark, abstract= , or obscure feel.  Two examples, not meant to be a strict model are= :

Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo: http://www.savefile= =2Ecom/filehost/projects3.php?fid=3D9594603&pid=3D830188
Artificial Reprise: http://www.soundclick.com/util/downlo= adSong.cfm?ID=3D2485638

I may even start the CDs with these tunes=85= =2Enot sure.

Collaboration Approach

Because I can't "play with" someone online= , the collaboration will have to be reactive rather than interactive.&nbs= p; I want to keep the approach fairly loose and open to negotiation, but = here are a few sketchy approaches for starters:

APPROACH A

1. Musician A lays down his track for the = entire song in such a way that it leaves room for a second part  - Could be just a basic soundscape, t= extures, sound effects, etc
 = - Could be purely melodic work with breathing points for response from pl= ayer B (to allow call and response)
2. Musician B lays down his track over Musician A's track
3. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay a= dditional tracks down

APPROACH B

1. Musician A lays down a section of a son= g
2. Musician B lays down another = section of the song in sequence (directly following the first section)
3. Repeat 1. and 2.
4. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay addi= tional tracks down

These are just general guiding principles=85= really anything goes.  If we both want to play chaotic parts that ov= erlay each other with no planned interaction, this is fine=85radical, but= fine. The basic file exchange approach is that the track would be record= ed to wav or aif format and posted to SaveFile.com. Each contributor woul= d use whatever software they use to lay their track over that wav file, a= nd then re-post (CD quality, 16 bit, as close to 0db as possible). I'll m= aster everything in ProTools, add final touch enhancements, etc.

CD Design/Credits/Financial Details

  • I'll handle all the CD mastering, artwork= layout and design (any input welcome, of course)=20
  • I'll pay for the production of the CD usi= ng Shortrun Music, plus pay to put it on CD Baby, get a barcode, setup, p= ay for digital distribution, etc ($55 total)=20
  • Everyone will get credit for their playin= g on the CD=20
  • I will make no net profit on the CD; once we agree on a CD pr= ice, I'll pay the cost of the CD first, and the remaining profit will be = divided up based on the percentage one plays on the CD; for instance, if = the CD costs $5 to make, sells for $15, is 80 minutes long, and your tota= l playing time is 10 minutes, then your profit would be 12.5% of $10, or = $1.25 (US).  I'll pay everyone via PayPal.

In short, I'm doing most of the production= work and not doing this for money, but for my own artistic gratification= and desire to play with others.  I'm not in any rush to get this co= mplete either=85.whatever time it takes is fine with me, especially since= I have another solo CD coming out in September. If it takes a year, then= I'm fine with that.

I think 5 contributors, not including myse= lf would be ideal, but it all depends on the number and length of the son= gs. 5 min tunes are probably a good standard.

Anyone interested?  Listen to the two= samples above, and if this is something you think fits your style, then = send me an email along with some samples of your music.  Once I have= a handful of interested parties, I'll select those for the CD, and the r= est I'll post as a digital CD, and perhaps use for a part II CD.

Or just tell me that I'm off my rocker.

Kris



 
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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-225945939-1118335543=:75377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wrong answer. The question has already been correctly answered. "loop.pool" wrote:Mark asked: "No, I got that part. I'm talking about this: http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1620/images/1620_rear.jpg what are those serial port looking jacks on the back?" If I'm not mistaken, those are Alesis ADAT connectors, which are 8 channel, balanced connectors used for passing signal to and from an ADAT digital recorder. Am I right? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-225945939-1118335543=:75377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Wrong answer. The question has already been correctly answered.

"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Mark asked:
"No, I got that part. I'm talking about this:
http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1620/images/1620_rear.jpg
what are those serial port looking jacks on the back?"

If I'm not mistaken, those are Alesis ADAT connectors, which are 8 channel,
balanced
connectors used for passing signal to and from an ADAT digital recorder.

Am I right?

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-225945939-1118335543=:75377-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 12:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59GqYT14570; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:52:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:52:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050609165137.6818.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, got that. What I'm wondering is can I get a snake that converts that to 1/4" balanced jacks to plug into my MOTU 828? I did a google search and came up with nothing. Mark --- Patrick EL MELIANI wrote: > > > it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for > recording , here's to simplify , to not have 16 > jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who > own the same connector like a computer sound card or > a digital multitrack recorder. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 13:00:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59Gtx514955; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050609165504.95679.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_z4vOD.A.aoD.tRHqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, found it: http://www.hosatech.com/hosa/products/DTP-800.html thanks all, Mark --- Patrick EL MELIANI wrote: > > > it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for > recording , here's to simplify , to not have 16 > jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who > own the same connector like a computer sound card or > a digital multitrack recorder. > > PAT > > > Message du 09/06/05 11:41 > > De : "loop.pool" > > A : "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Copie à : > > Objet : Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 > > > > Mark asked: > > "No, I got that part. I'm talking about this: > > > http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1620/images/1620_rear.jpg > > what are those serial port looking jacks on the > back?" > > > > If I'm not mistaken, those are Alesis ADAT > connectors, which are 8 channel, > > balanced > > connectors used for passing signal to and from an > ADAT digital recorder. > > > > Am I right? > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 13:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j59HJu118594; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-7908-1118337564-0001-2" Message-Id: <42A87A21.000013.01364@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:19:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20050609165137.6818.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-7908-1118337564-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-7908-1118337564-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-7908-1118337564-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can go unbalanced into balanced jacks. The other way around, you may need to leave the jack 1/3 out of the whole....not connecting the 3rd poi= nt. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 06/09/05 09:53:52=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620=0D =0D Right, got that. What I'm wondering is can I get a=0D snake that converts that to 1/4" balanced jacks to=0D plug into my MOTU 828?=0D =0D I did a google search and came up with nothing.=0D =0D Mark=0D =0D --- Patrick EL MELIANI =0D wrote:=0D >=0D >=0D > it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for=0D > recording , here's to simplify , to not have 16=0D > jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who=0D > own the same connector like a computer sound card or=0D > a digital multitrack recorder.=0D =20 --=_serpico.real.com-7908-1118337564-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Date: 06/09/05 09:= 53:52
Subject: Re: Macki= e Onyx 1620
 
Right, got that.  What I'm wondering is can I get a
snake that converts that to 1/4" balanced jacks to
plug into my MOTU 828?
 
I did a google search and came up with nothing.
 
Mark
 
--- Patrick EL MELIANI <patrick.elmeliani@wanadoo.fr>
wrote:
>
>
> it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for
> recording , here's to simplify , to not have 16
> jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who
> own the same connector like a computer sound card or
> a digital multitrack recorder.
 
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19:53:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:53:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LaU4QHEHe27mFpPX1MzwgtghfKql3bQ9YLWQz/JSA+9PlrBoDGqotO2Jb01rvU6mBijWh/aexKMZCjH/WDIYL6vM/45W7PlLc0CyiXGw3JTSHsJZwasTMoTELO39ybT5dnpPm/S5OT5C6Co9/CXntKYKN9vcuEfmXuC9WfLPBig= ; Message-ID: <20050609235239.6509.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050609165137.6818.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1226588103-1118361159=:6008" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1226588103-1118361159=:6008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah. There out there. I was a hair from buying one a Guitar Ctr. Ya know, though, I can't remember if I was looking for balanced 1/4 plugs. Oh, I searched via Google on DB-25 and snake, if my memory serves me correctly. Pawel mark sottilaro wrote: Right, got that. What I'm wondering is can I get a snake that converts that to 1/4" balanced jacks to plug into my MOTU 828? I did a google search and came up with nothing. Mark --- Patrick EL MELIANI wrote: > > > it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for > recording , here's to simplify , to not have 16 > jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who > own the same connector like a computer sound card or > a digital multitrack recorder. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --0-1226588103-1118361159=:6008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yeah. There out there. I was a hair from buying one a Guitar Ctr. Ya know, though, I can't remember if I was looking for balanced 1/4 plugs. Oh, I searched via Google on DB-25 and snake, if my memory serves me correctly.
 
Pawel

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Right, got that. What I'm wondering is can I get a
snake that converts that to 1/4" balanced jacks to
plug into my MOTU 828?

I did a google search and came up with nothing.

Mark

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> it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for
> recording , here's to simplify , to not have 16
> jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who
> own the same connector like a computer sound card or
> a digital multitrack recorder.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --0-1226588103-1118361159=:6008-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 9 23:37:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5A3Zgi06718; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:35:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:35:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c56d6f$9348b3e0$cb01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: References: <20050601040458.52967.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> <003901c56700$bb9210a0$18aaa344@hppav> <000701c56be9$331085c0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Gig Spam - Felix Pastorius - Boomerang user - live performance - Lake Worth, Florida... Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:50:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.84/895/Thu May 26 13:22:24 2005 on mail.kelloggcreek.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aww, I'd be there for sure if it wasn't a few thousand miles out of the way (I'm in Oregon). Felix is a great, great bass player and a heck of a nice guy. If any of you guys make it out, say hi for me! :) -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Gig Spam - Felix Pastorius - Boomerang user - live performance - Lake Worth, Florida... > Monday June 13th Felix Pastorius solo performance by him on his 5 string > fretted, 5 string frett-less and 7 string fretted bass played through a > boomerang digital delay. > > http://www.ajlucas.com/fxp.html > > South Shores Tavern and Patio Bar > > 502 Lucerne Avenue > Lake Worth, FL 33460 > > Phone: 561-547-7656 > > Directions: From 95: North take the 10 Avenue Exit. Travel South on Dixie > Highway until you come to Lake Avenue. Travel East on Lake until you come > to > M Street. Go North one block to Lucerne Ave. South Shores is on the corner > of Lucerne and M Street. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 03:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5A79be08266; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:09:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Remote-IP: 213.191.142.123 X-Remote-IP: 213.191.148.87 From: "ivan kapec" To: Subject: ODG: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:08:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c56d8b$2d0214c0$5794bfd5@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C56D9B.F08AE4C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010085E8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C56D9B.F08AE4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Kris, I was work already on some on-line collaborations, and it were done with APPROACH A. I would like to participate in your project, escpecially because you are open some unusual parametars (free tempo, non diatonic, etc.) Best Regards, ivan kapec www.soundclick.com/ivankapec ivan kapec home page -----Izvorna poruka----- Salje: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Poslano: 9. lipanj 2005 6:41 Prima: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Predmet: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) Hello Folks - Ah, what the hell.let's see if this flies or goes over like a cast iron blimp. A boy has got to dream.. I'd like to test the idea of an online musical recording collaboration and ultimately produce a low-budget CD of duo works. This would be titled "Xperimentus: Krispen Hartung & Friends", me and a number of other players. The genre would be avant-garde/experimental, and involve looping of course. I would be looking for LP members whose strength is in soloing, rather than laying down chordal soundscapes, textures, etc (I consider percussion a solo instrument as well). Soundcapes and foundational textures are good, but just a foundation for more complex single note "conversations" and "dialogues". This is just my preference as artistic director of the project. Composition/Performance Parameters The primary parameters of the project, non-exhaustive, of course: * All pieces will be non-metered (no time signature) and free flowing or with just a rhythmic pulse * All pieces will have some degree of melodic/solo work, either by itself or over the top of textures and soundscapes (hence the request for players whose forte is soloing) * All pieces will have no key / they will be predominantly non-diatonic..general tonal centers are fine, but with a significant degree of "outside" playing, tension and release, etc - this is essentially Free project * Other parameters are negotiable Main point, I'm not shooting for pretty or lofty tunes that have popular appeal, but more of a dark, abstract, or obscure feel. Two examples, not meant to be a strict model are: Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo: http://www.savefile.com/filehost/projects3.php?fid=9594603&pid=830188 Artificial Reprise: http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=2485638 I may even start the CDs with these tunes..not sure. Collaboration Approach Because I can't "play with" someone online, the collaboration will have to be reactive rather than interactive. I want to keep the approach fairly loose and open to negotiation, but here are a few sketchy approaches for starters: APPROACH A 1. Musician A lays down his track for the entire song in such a way that it leaves room for a second part - Could be just a basic soundscape, textures, sound effects, etc - Could be purely melodic work with breathing points for response from player B (to allow call and response) 2. Musician B lays down his track over Musician A's track 3. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down APPROACH B 1. Musician A lays down a section of a song 2. Musician B lays down another section of the song in sequence (directly following the first section) 3. Repeat 1. and 2. 4. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down These are just general guiding principles.really anything goes. If we both want to play chaotic parts that overlay each other with no planned interaction, this is fine.radical, but fine. The basic file exchange approach is that the track would be recorded to wav or aif format and posted to SaveFile.com. Each contributor would use whatever software they use to lay their track over that wav file, and then re-post (CD quality, 16 bit, as close to 0db as possible). I'll master everything in ProTools, add final touch enhancements, etc. CD Design/Credits/Financial Details * I'll handle all the CD mastering, artwork layout and design (any input welcome, of course) * I'll pay for the production of the CD using Shortrun Music, plus pay to put it on CD Baby, get a barcode, setup, pay for digital distribution, etc ($55 total) * Everyone will get credit for their playing on the CD * I will make no net profit on the CD; once we agree on a CD price, I'll pay the cost of the CD first, and the remaining profit will be divided up based on the percentage one plays on the CD; for instance, if the CD costs $5 to make, sells for $15, is 80 minutes long, and your total playing time is 10 minutes, then your profit would be 12.5% of $10, or $1.25 (US). I'll pay everyone via PayPal. In short, I'm doing most of the production work and not doing this for money, but for my own artistic gratification and desire to play with others. I'm not in any rush to get this complete either..whatever time it takes is fine with me, especially since I have another solo CD coming out in September. If it takes a year, then I'm fine with that. I think 5 contributors, not including myself would be ideal, but it all depends on the number and length of the songs. 5 min tunes are probably a good standard. Anyone interested? Listen to the two samples above, and if this is something you think fits your style, then send me an email along with some samples of your music. Once I have a handful of interested parties, I'll select those for the CD, and the rest I'll post as a digital CD, and perhaps use for a part II CD. Or just tell me that I'm off my rocker. Kris __________ NOD32 1.1135 (20050609) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C56D9B.F08AE4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for online collaborators from LP (for = avant-garde/experimental duo project)

Hello = Kris,

 

I was work already on some on-line collaborations, =  and it were done with APPROACH = A.  I would like to participate in = your project, escpecially because you are open some unusual parametars (free = tempo, non diatonic, etc.)

 

Best Regards,

 

 

 

-----I= zvorna poruka-----
Šalje: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com]
Poslano: 9. lipanj 2005 = 6:41
Prima: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Predmet: Looking for = online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo = project)

 

Hello Folks -

Ah, what the hell…let's see if this flies or goes over = like a cast iron blimp. A boy has got to dream…. =

I'd like to test the idea of an online musical recording = collaboration and ultimately produce a low-budget CD of duo works. This would be = titled "Xperimentus: Krispen Hartung & Friends", me and a number of other players.  The = genre would be avant-garde/experimental, and involve looping of course. I = would be looking for LP members whose strength is in soloing, rather than laying = down chordal soundscapes, textures, etc (I consider percussion a solo = instrument as well).  Soundcapes and foundational textures are good, but just a foundation for more complex single note "conversations" and "dialogues". This is just my preference as artistic director = of the project.

Composition/Performance = Parameters

The primary parameters of the project, non-exhaustive, of = course:

·         All pieces will be non-metered (no time = signature) and free flowing or with just a rhythmic pulse

·         All pieces will have some degree of = melodic/solo work, either by itself or over the top of textures and soundscapes (hence the = request for players whose forte is soloing)

·         All pieces will have no key / they will be predominantly non-diatonic….general tonal centers are fine, but = with a significant degree of "outside" playing, tension and release, = etc - this is essentially Free project

·         Other parameters are = negotiable

 

Main point, I'm not shooting for pretty  or lofty tunes = that have popular appeal, but more of a dark, abstract, or obscure feel.  Two examples, not meant to be a strict model = are:

Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo: http://www.savefile.com/filehost/projects3.php= ?fid=3D9594603&pid=3D830188
Artificial Reprise: = http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cf= m?ID=3D2485638

I may even start the CDs with these tunes….not = sure.

Collaboration = Approach

Because I can't "play with" someone online, the = collaboration will have to be reactive rather than interactive.  I want to keep = the approach fairly loose and open to negotiation, but here are a few = sketchy approaches for starters:

APPROACH A

1. Musician A lays down his track for the entire song in such a = way that it leaves room for a second part
 - Could be just a = basic soundscape, textures, sound effects, etc
 - Could be purely = melodic work with breathing points for response from player B (to allow call and response)
2. Musician B lays down = his track over Musician A's track
3. Either Musician A or = B, or both, could lay additional tracks down

APPROACH B

1. Musician A lays down a section of a song
2. Musician B lays down = another section of the song in sequence (directly following the first = section)
3. Repeat 1. and = 2.
4. Either Musician A or = B, or both, could lay additional tracks down

These are just general guiding principles…really anything goes.  If we both want to play chaotic parts that overlay each = other with no planned interaction, this is fine…radical, but fine. The basic = file exchange approach is that the track would be recorded to wav or aif = format and posted to SaveFile.com. Each contributor would use whatever software = they use to lay their track over that wav file, and then re-post (CD quality, 16 = bit, as close to 0db as possible). I'll master everything in ProTools, add final = touch enhancements, etc.

CD Design/Credits/Financial = Details

·         I'll handle all the CD mastering, artwork = layout and design (any input welcome, of course)

·         I'll pay for the production of the CD using = Shortrun Music, plus pay to put it on CD Baby, get a barcode, setup, pay for = digital distribution, etc ($55 total)

·         Everyone will get credit for their playing on = the CD

·         I will make no net profit on the CD; once we agree on a CD price, I'll = pay the cost of the CD first, and the remaining profit will be divided up based = on the percentage one plays on the CD; for instance, if the CD costs $5 to = make, sells for $15, is 80 minutes long, and your total playing time is 10 minutes, = then your profit would be 12.5% of $10, or $1.25 (US).  I'll pay = everyone via PayPal.

 

In short, I'm doing most of the production work and not doing = this for money, but for my own artistic gratification and desire to play with others.  I'm not in any rush to get this complete = either….whatever time it takes is fine with me, especially since I have another solo CD = coming out in September. If it takes a year, then I'm fine with = that.

I think 5 contributors, not including myself would be ideal, but = it all depends on the number and length of the songs. 5 min tunes are probably = a good standard.

Anyone interested?  Listen to the two samples above, and if = this is something you think fits your style, then send me an email along with = some samples of your music.  Once I have a handful of interested = parties, I'll select those for the CD, and the rest I'll post as a digital CD, and = perhaps use for a part II CD.

Or just tell me that I'm off my rocker. =

Kris





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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C56D9B.F08AE4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 05:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5A9k8C23905; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:46:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:46:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c56da1$21789500$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: <20050609165137.6818.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:45:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I found was this: Tascam CU SD203 Sub-D25 auf 8x XLR male 3m Tascam CU SD303 Sub-D25 auf 8x XLR fema 3m (these are also available as 5m variants, replace the "03" with "05). ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 > Right, got that. What I'm wondering is can I get a > snake that converts that to 1/4" balanced jacks to > plug into my MOTU 828? > > I did a google search and came up with nothing. > > Mark > > --- Patrick EL MELIANI > wrote: >> >> >> it's just the 16 channels analogue outputs for >> recording , here's to simplify , to not have 16 >> jacks or XLR . It is to plug in a device input who >> own the same connector like a computer sound card or >> a digital multitrack recorder. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 10:15:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AEDEg18113; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42A99FA9.3030301@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:11:53 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ODG: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) References: <000001c56d8b$2d0214c0$5794bfd5@epi741531r1soi> In-Reply-To: <000001c56d8b$2d0214c0$5794bfd5@epi741531r1soi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check out the exquisite corpse project for a cool take on this approach: http://xiphoidprocess.com/ec4/ Andreas > 1. Musician A lays down a section of a song > 2. Musician B lays down another section of the song in sequence > (directly following the first section) > 3. Repeat 1. and 2. > 4. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 12:13:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AGC6F28686; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:12:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:12:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech FS-300 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:10:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2005 16:10:48.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[F715D800:01C56DD6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there I'm hoping to get back into using my repeater in a live context as its a cool tool that i underuse. I hate all things midi at the mo, they are all too big to walk to a gig with. so I was considering buying the Digitech FS-300 pedal, however in endland it is £50 and i jjust cant bring myself to pay that for what i know is just a few resistors and switches. could anyone be so kind as to tell me what value the resistors are then i can make my own. ta. Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 12:35:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AGWGd29769; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: FW: WALKER brothers reunion SUNDAY, JUNE 12th ATTIC FREE SHOW 8 p.m. Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:30:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C56D9F.031802A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C56D9F.031802A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:37 PM To: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL Subject: WALKER brothers reunion SUNDAY, JUNE 12th ATTIC FREE SHOW 8 p.m. I'm delighted to announce that I will be playing my first creative improvisational gig with my brother (guitarist Bill Walker) in over two years this Sunday at the continuation of the 2nd Sundays Live Looping Series at the ATTIC. We will be playing a cross of abstract electronica, world fusion, new acoustica and live looping under the moniker WALKERS. the show is at 8 p.m. and is FREE to the public with ALL AGES WELCOME. Opening for us is a fine live looping guitarist/multiinstrumentalist and long time Loopers Delight member, Mark Sottilaro from San Francisco. He goes on at 8 p.m. Bill and I go on at 9 p.m. ******** ps We would like to especially thank Ch!p for his donation of the space and all the artists for donating their time and artistry to the people of Santa Cruz for this entirely free show! pps the ATTIC is located directly above the Blue Lagoon bar on the Pacific Garden Mall, directly south of Streetlight Records, the Catalyst and Union Grove Music. ppps This will be my first local gig since my wonderfully well recieved tour in Japan that I just returned from and I am very inspired and on fire to play with Bill. If anyone is interested, an extensive tour diary is being uploaded for that tour at www.looppool.info and there is also a gallery of pictures to look at (with lots of scrumptious Japanese goths, as I performed at one of the biggest goth events in Japan, the Kobe Underground Festival) at www.looppool.info/gallery/. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C56D9F.031802A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
-----Original Message-----
From: loop.pool=20 [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 = 10:37=20 PM
To: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
Subject: WALKER = brothers=20 reunion SUNDAY, JUNE 12th ATTIC FREE SHOW 8 p.m.

I'm delighted to = announce that I will=20 be playing my first creative
improvisational gig = with my brother=20 (guitarist Bill Walker) in over two=20 years
this=20 Sunday at the continuation of the 2nd = Sundays Live=20 Looping Series
at the=20 ATTIC.    We will be playing a cross of abstract=20 electronica, world fusion,
new acoustica and live = looping under=20 the moniker  WALKERS.
 
 
the show is at 8=20 p.m. and is FREE to the public with = ALL AGES WELCOME.
 
Opening for us is a = fine live looping=20 guitarist/multiinstrumentalist and long time
Loopers Delight = member, Mark Sottilaro from San Francisco.
He goes on at 8 = p.m.   Bill=20 and I go on at 9 p.m.
 
********
ps =20
We would=20 like to especially thank Ch!p for his donation of the space and all the = artists=20 for donating their time=20
and artistry to the = people of Santa=20 Cruz for this entirely free = show!
pps 
the ATTIC is located = directly above=20 the Blue Lagoon bar on the Pacific Garden Mall, directly south = of
Streetlight Records, = the Catalyst and=20 Union Grove Music.
ppps
This will be my first = local gig since=20 my wonderfully well recieved tour in Japan that I just
returned from and I am = very inspired=20 and on fire to play with Bill.
If anyone is = interested,  an=20 extensive tour diary is being uploaded for that tour
at www.looppool.info  and there=20 is also a gallery of pictures to look at
(with lots of = scrumptious Japanese=20 goths, as I performed at one of the biggest goth
events in Japan, = the Kobe=20 Underground Festival) at www.looppool.info/gallery/.
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C56D9F.031802A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 13:43:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AHgVM02298; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c56de3$a385dcf0$0200a8c0@PUCE> Reply-To: "Romain Rochas" From: "Romain Rochas" To: Subject: Building A Sampler/Looper around a barebone computer. Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:41:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56DF4.6686DF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2jv-v.A.Xj.RDdqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56DF4.6686DF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Folk, Since I find any sampler/looper limited, I plan to build my own = looper/sampler/FX processor around a barebone computer: So I need the following hardware: 1)- A BareBone PC with an OS (A free Linux or windows ?) (600 = dollars/500 euros without the screen) 2)- An ADDA (audio to digital and digital to audio ) converter/soundcard = =3D> can be USB or PCI, should use ASIO "driver" or short time (300 = dollars/250 euros) 3)- A pedal board =3D> should be plugged directly via USB or Via a = MIDI->USB interface (Midiman) (any suggestions ?) About software, I need: 4) - a live processing main software which can loop and which can map = the pedal actions to actual sampling/processing command The idea will be to have the audio main application being launched at OS = startup, so I would'nt even need a screen (could display the presets = info on the pedal board ?) So I know a lot about the 2 first hardware requirements, but I really = don't know where to look when it comes to 3) and 4). Have you ever tried such a "projects" ?? Do you have any suggestions ??? Thanks for Coop., Regards, Romain. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56DF4.6686DF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Folk,
 
Since I find any sampler/looper = limited, I plan to=20 build my own looper/sampler/FX processor around a barebone=20 computer:
So I need the following = hardware:
1)- A BareBone PC with an OS (A free Linux or windows ?) (600 dollars/500 = euros=20 without the screen)
2)- An ADDA (audio to digital and = digital to audio=20 ) converter/soundcard =3D> can be USB or PCI, should use ASIO = "driver" or short=20 time (300 dollars/250 euros)
3)- A pedal board =3D> should be = plugged directly=20 via USB or Via a MIDI->USB interface (Midiman) (any suggestions=20 ?)
About software, I need:
4) - a live processing main software = which can loop=20 and which can map the pedal actions to actual sampling/processing=20 command
The idea will be to have the audio main = application=20 being launched at OS startup, so I would'nt even need a screen (could = display=20 the presets info on the pedal board ?)
 
So I know a lot about the 2 first = hardware=20 requirements, but I really don't know where to look when it comes to 3) = and=20 4).
Have you ever tried such a "projects" = ?? Do you=20 have any suggestions ???
 
Thanks for Coop.,
 
Regards,
 
Romain.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56DF4.6686DF50-- ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 14:33:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AIWgs07296; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:32:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: ODG: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:31:13 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010088BC@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ODG: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) thread-index: AcVtxpe7k1ug6A/SS6yEgv++8ELnYwAIspgw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2005 18:31:16.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[963EF390:01C56DEA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j5AIVxo07240 Resent-Message-ID: <-40T7D.A.ZxB.gydqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pretty cool. I hope to have a system that is less rule-based and based on the chemistry/organic relationship between me and the 14 LP members that will be on the CD....I got a very good response from folks from multiple countries. This is going to be a fun and interesting project! I'm going to work out a unique approach with each contributor offline, relative to their style of playing, my style, our strengths, etc. In other words, free, avant-garde, experimental, relativistic, and bizarre will be the main themes here. One song could be nothing but a single note dialogue between me and another player...or another song may be textures with solo overlay...who knows. Exquisite Corpse...I love the title....reminds me of some HP Lovecraft story or theme. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ODG: Looking for online collaborators from LP (for avant-garde/experimental duo project) You should check out the exquisite corpse project for a cool take on this approach: http://xiphoidprocess.com/ec4/ Andreas > 1. Musician A lays down a section of a song 2. Musician B lays down > another section of the song in sequence (directly following the first > section) 3. Repeat 1. and 2. > 4. Either Musician A or B, or both, could lay additional tracks down > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 15:04:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AJ2hS10789; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:01:31 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building A Sampler/Looper around a barebone computer. In-reply-to: <000601c56de3$a385dcf0$0200a8c0@PUCE> To: Romain Rochas Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42A9E38B.8060302@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000601c56de3$a385dcf0$0200a8c0@PUCE> Resent-Message-ID: <0rydAB.A.ZnC.NOeqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Romain Rochas wrote: > 3)- A pedal board => should be plugged directly via USB or Via a > MIDI->USB interface (Midiman) (any suggestions ?) Behringer FCB 1010 with any single port MIDI->USB interface. > About software, I need: > 4) - a live processing main software which can loop and which can map > the pedal actions to actual sampling/processing command Well, this is a rather large topic that is discussed at least once a month here and on many other forums. If you're determined to use Linux you should explore some forums devoted to Linux audio applications. There are some good Linux looping applications such as SooperLooper and Freewheeling, but in general I think you will find that there aren't many choices unless you are willing to write your own software. By far the majority of audio applications run on Mac or Windows. > The idea will be to have the audio main application being launched at OS > startup, so I would'nt even need a screen (could display the presets > info on the pedal board ?) I doubt you will be able to do this without a screen. Even dedicated hardware devices have LCD's and LED's to give you some idea of what is happening. There are no pedal boards that I'm aware of that display messages sent to it by the computer. If you were more specific about exactly the kinds of looping/sampling/fx functions you want you may get better advice. But unless you can find what you need on Linux or are willing to invest many months of time writing your own software, you will be better off buying a cheap Windows laptop or Mac Mini, learning about VST plugins, and exploring the very large world of audio software for those platforms. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 15:39:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AJcwO13789; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1118432014.42a9eb0e945db@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:33:34 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Software QA Manager job opportunity with audio company (Euphonix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 67.169.115.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, Our current QA Manager is changing positions in the company and so we are in need of his replacement. The company is Euphonix (www.euphonix.com); "Euphonix is a leading manufacturer of large format digital audio mixing consoles, integrated digital audio workstation control surfaces, multi-track digital recorders and peripherals for live broadcast, TV & film audio post-production, and music production applications. Euphonix consoles and recorders offer uncompromised digital audio with the highest audio resolution in the industry." I'm a software engineer there, so you would have the pleasure of telling me how much my work sucks.. hehe.. :) peace -cpr -------------------------------------------------------------------- Euphonix ~ Software QA Manager: * Manage the SW QA Department: Assign and monitor tasks to testers based on the project manager's release requirements. Maintain and specify the equipment needs of the test studio and satellite test rigs. Consolidate and qualify test plans submitted by testers to help create time estimates. * FogBugz bug tracking data management: Monitor the quality and priority of bugs being entered on a daily basis. Flag and assign significant bugs to the project manager for discussion and qualification. Generate progress reports and release notes using Microsoft Excel query of database. * Other Responsibilities: Work with customer service manager to provide field service with timely and accurate information. Advanced system testing and instruction to testers on realistic industry practice to improve test coverage. Help with reproducing bugs and troubleshooting client issues. Communication with sales and marketing departments as questions arise. Attend regular status meetings and create periodic department presentations as required. At least 3 years applicable professional industry experience with hands on mixing and audio system routing and design. Must be self sufficient in configuring and operating large format digital mixing consoles and DAWs. Must have general knowledge of PC based workstations and applications. Must have basic operation skills for ProTools and Nuendo. Basic C++ scripting skills a plus but not required. Must have excellent people, communication and organizational skills. Occasional travel to client sites for instruction or troubleshooting will be required. Please submit your resume only if you meet the above requirments. hr@euphonix.com or fax 650-855-0410 ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 16:35:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AKYRc20560; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050610203354.95907.qmail@web26805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:33:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Romain Subject: Re: Building A Sampler/Looper around a barebone computer. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42A9E38B.8060302@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tips. I was interested in Linux because I believed it could be good in the looping department regarding latency...but Windows might be as good if you tune it, and as you said, there is more available audio software. What I expect to get is: A) A simple and good quality live looping. I mean for example, I press button 1 on the foot controller, record let's say a guitar rythm, and if I press button 2 the rythm plays along, and if I play button 3, the loop is saved but no played + some tricks about quantization => the sample would be cut nicely, not in the middle of 2 beats !! + ability to play stop the recorded loops independantly B) Some good delays and reverbs, switchable via foot controller C) Weird FX (bit-crusher, octaver) switchable as well D) Ability to trigger some pre-recorded samples as well. I guess I can achieve this with little latency on a pretty small computer with windows OS if I tune it for music only. --- Jeff Larson a écrit : > Romain Rochas wrote: > > 3)- A pedal board => should be plugged directly > via USB or Via a > > MIDI->USB interface (Midiman) (any suggestions ?) > > Behringer FCB 1010 with any single port MIDI->USB > interface. > > > About software, I need: > > 4) - a live processing main software which can > loop and which can map > > the pedal actions to actual sampling/processing > command > > Well, this is a rather large topic that is discussed > at least > once a month here and on many other forums. If > you're determined > to use Linux you should explore some forums devoted > to Linux audio > applications. There are some good Linux looping > applications such > as SooperLooper and Freewheeling, but in general I > think you will > find that there aren't many choices unless you are > willing to write > your own software. By far the majority of audio > applications run > on Mac or Windows. > > > The idea will be to have the audio main > application being launched at OS > > startup, so I would'nt even need a screen (could > display the presets > > info on the pedal board ?) > > I doubt you will be able to do this without a > screen. Even dedicated > hardware devices have LCD's and LED's to give you > some idea of what > is happening. There are no pedal boards that I'm > aware of that display > messages sent to it by the computer. > > If you were more specific about exactly the kinds of > looping/sampling/fx > functions you want you may get better advice. But > unless you can find > what you need on Linux or are willing to invest many > months of time writing > your own software, you will be better off buying a > cheap Windows laptop > or Mac Mini, learning about VST plugins, and > exploring the very large world > of audio software for those platforms. > > Jeff > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 17:19:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5ALIFT24580; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:18:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:17:29 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building A Sampler/Looper around a barebone computer. In-reply-to: <20050610203354.95907.qmail@web26805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42AA0369.4020009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050610203354.95907.qmail@web26805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Romain wrote: > What I expect to get is: > A) A simple and good quality live looping. I mean for > example, I press button 1 on the foot controller, > record let's say a guitar rythm, and if I press button > 2 the rythm plays along, and if I play button 3, the > loop is saved but no played + some tricks about > quantization => the sample would be cut nicely, not in > the middle of 2 beats !! > + ability to play stop the recorded loops > independantly There are several looping tools available, some simple, some complex. A nice summary was posted to this list a few months ago: www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html If you want more than one loop playing at the same time, you will either need a looper that supports multiple loops, or run multiple copies of the looper and synchronize them. This isn't as simple as it sounds. > B) Some good delays and reverbs, switchable via foot > controller > C) Weird FX (bit-crusher, octaver) switchable as well You will want to learn about VST plugins. There are hundreds of free delay and reverb plugins here: www.kvraudio.com > D) Ability to trigger some pre-recorded samples as > well. There are probably plugins at KVR that can do this. Tu2 isn't free but it's very nice and only $35. www.brambos.com/news.html If you decide to get into VSTs you will need a "host". A good free host is Audio Mulch. www.audiomulch.com > I guess I can achieve this with little latency on a > pretty small computer with windows OS if I tune it for > music only. Linux certainly has better latency than Windows, but Windows can be quite acceptable if you tune it. This site has a lot of tips. www.musicxp.net You will want a sound card or USB audio interface that has ASIO drivers. If you have an older interface that didn't come with ASIO drivers, several people have reported that this works well. www.asio4all.com Finally, don't rule out a Mac. A MacMini is very reasonably priced and comes with GarageBand (a host) and a multi-track looping plugin. Enjoy the journey, it may be a long one :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 17:28:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5ALRPt25114; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:27:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:27:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Building A Sampler/Looper around a barebone computer. Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:27:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c56e03$3e0c06e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20050610203354.95907.qmail@web26805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j5ALQNo25007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all the stuff you want to do, the approach is to use a VST host plus several plugins to do the stuff you like. First question is the host: there are the sequencer-based solutions - Steinberg Cubase/Nuendo (the latter only mentioned for completeness, as it most probably is too "professional" for your application), Sony (formerly Sonic Foundry) ACID, Ableton Live! - did I forget anything? Then there are the more modular setups - these are basically applications which allow to freely connect VST (and sometimes VSTi) components and route your ASIO and MIDI interfaces to and from them and use automation. I can think of two right now, AudioMulch and Plogue Bidule. I have been working a little bit with AudioMulch and it's a great tool - most of the really professional people seem to go for Bidule. Then, you do all the effects (including loops and sample triggering) with VST(i) plugins. Live! comes with an acceptable sampler for your D) requirement, as well as some "normal" delays and a cool and flexible reverb which allows from normal up to completely whacked (I think Per here makes great use of it...). The plugins...do a search for "free VST plugin" to get an overview on the freeware/shareware/donateware stuff. The most powerful looper (for the PC) is afaik Mobius (basically eight brother-synced EDP pairs), then there's LloopyLama (a syncable DL4) and AngstroLooper. There are TONS of crazy effects on lots of sites - smartelectronics.com would be the first one which comes to (my) mind, but just do a search on the web - they are easy to find. So the "least number of components used" solution for your requirements might be Live! plus Mobius. Latency is in fact a function of the power of your computer, the other major influence being the interface hardware you use. It works some like this (hey, everyone here - please correct if this is bullshit): First you have a static latency caused by the interface which brings the audio data stream into your computer. This is an idependent value for input and output. Then, your ASIO driver layer uses input and output buffers to allow your application a certain freedom when serving the inputs and outputs. Bigger buffers means more latency. Smaller buffers means more strenuos requirements on how often (and how regularily) your application serves the input/output task. Some applications allow you to set the priority of these tasks (high priority here means less performance available for your creative tasks). And of yourse, the "power" of your computer plays a role here. Interface-wise, the stuff by RME has earned a great reputation with regard to low-latency (haven'd tried their devices myself - yet). The simple rule goes like this: Get a good interface, set your ASIO buffers short, set the I/O tasks to high priority, then your latency is very low - but you need a fast computer to still be able to do something useful. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Romain [mailto:rtristelune@yahoo.fr] Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2005 22:34 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Building A Sampler/Looper around a barebone computer. Thanks for the tips. I was interested in Linux because I believed it could be good in the looping department regarding latency...but Windows might be as good if you tune it, and as you said, there is more available audio software. What I expect to get is: A) A simple and good quality live looping. I mean for example, I press button 1 on the foot controller, record let's say a guitar rythm, and if I press button 2 the rythm plays along, and if I play button 3, the loop is saved but no played + some tricks about quantization => the sample would be cut nicely, not in the middle of 2 beats !! + ability to play stop the recorded loops independantly B) Some good delays and reverbs, switchable via foot controller C) Weird FX (bit-crusher, octaver) switchable as well D) Ability to trigger some pre-recorded samples as well. I guess I can achieve this with little latency on a pretty small computer with windows OS if I tune it for music only. --- Jeff Larson a écrit : > Romain Rochas wrote: > > 3)- A pedal board => should be plugged directly > via USB or Via a > > MIDI->USB interface (Midiman) (any suggestions ?) > > Behringer FCB 1010 with any single port MIDI->USB > interface. > > > About software, I need: > > 4) - a live processing main software which can > loop and which can map > > the pedal actions to actual sampling/processing > command > > Well, this is a rather large topic that is discussed > at least > once a month here and on many other forums. If > you're determined > to use Linux you should explore some forums devoted > to Linux audio > applications. There are some good Linux looping > applications such > as SooperLooper and Freewheeling, but in general I > think you will > find that there aren't many choices unless you are > willing to write > your own software. By far the majority of audio > applications run > on Mac or Windows. > > > The idea will be to have the audio main > application being launched at OS > > startup, so I would'nt even need a screen (could > display the presets > > info on the pedal board ?) > > I doubt you will be able to do this without a > screen. Even dedicated > hardware devices have LCD's and LED's to give you > some idea of what > is happening. There are no pedal boards that I'm > aware of that display > messages sent to it by the computer. > > If you were more specific about exactly the kinds of > looping/sampling/fx > functions you want you may get better advice. But > unless you can find > what you need on Linux or are willing to invest many > months of time writing > your own software, you will be better off buying a > cheap Windows laptop > or Mac Mini, learning about VST plugins, and > exploring the very large world > of audio software for those platforms. > > Jeff > > ________________________________________________________________________ ___ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 18:12:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AMBGW32411; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050610221036.35547.qmail@web26802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:10:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Romain Subject: RE: AW: Building A Sampler/Looper around a barebone computer. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c56e03$3e0c06e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a lot to you all for your advices...you are really helpful people !! I have to sit now, check all the links you gave me...take a pen and a paper and try to figure out what I will go for... I keep in touch with the list and will post some news when I get something working out. It is true it looks like a long journey ! I have to give it a try at least before considering simpler dedicated looper... Thanks again !! --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill a écrit : > With all the stuff you want to do, the approach is > to use a VST host > plus several plugins to do the stuff you like. > First question is the host: there are the > sequencer-based solutions - > Steinberg Cubase/Nuendo (the latter only mentioned > for completeness, as > it most probably is too "professional" for your > application), Sony > (formerly Sonic Foundry) ACID, Ableton Live! - did I > forget anything? > Then there are the more modular setups - these are > basically > applications which allow to freely connect VST (and > sometimes VSTi) > components and route your ASIO and MIDI interfaces > to and from them and > use automation. I can think of two right now, > AudioMulch and Plogue > Bidule. I have been working a little bit with > AudioMulch and it's a > great tool - most of the really professional people > seem to go for > Bidule. > > Then, you do all the effects (including loops and > sample triggering) > with VST(i) plugins. Live! comes with an acceptable > sampler for your D) > requirement, as well as some "normal" delays and a > cool and flexible > reverb which allows from normal up to completely > whacked (I think Per > here makes great use of it...). > > The plugins...do a search for "free VST plugin" to > get an overview on > the freeware/shareware/donateware stuff. The most > powerful looper (for > the PC) is afaik Mobius (basically eight > brother-synced EDP pairs), then > there's LloopyLama (a syncable DL4) and > AngstroLooper. There are TONS of > crazy effects on lots of sites - > smartelectronics.com would be the first > one which comes to (my) mind, but just do a search > on the web - they are > easy to find. > > So the "least number of components used" solution > for your requirements > might be Live! plus Mobius. > > Latency is in fact a function of the power of your > computer, the other > major influence being the interface hardware you > use. It works some like > this (hey, everyone here - please correct if this is > bullshit): First > you have a static latency caused by the interface > which brings the audio > data stream into your computer. This is an > idependent value for input > and output. Then, your ASIO driver layer uses input > and output buffers > to allow your application a certain freedom when > serving the inputs and > outputs. Bigger buffers means more latency. Smaller > buffers means more > strenuos requirements on how often (and how > regularily) your application > serves the input/output task. Some applications > allow you to set the > priority of these tasks (high priority here means > less performance > available for your creative tasks). And of yourse, > the "power" of your > computer plays a role here. Interface-wise, the > stuff by RME has earned > a great reputation with regard to low-latency > (haven'd tried their > devices myself - yet). > > The simple rule goes like this: Get a good > interface, set your ASIO > buffers short, set the I/O tasks to high priority, > then your latency is > very low - but you need a fast computer to still be > able to do something > useful. > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Romain [mailto:rtristelune@yahoo.fr] > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2005 22:34 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Building A Sampler/Looper around a > barebone computer. > > > Thanks for the tips. I was interested in Linux > because > I believed it could be good in the looping > department > regarding latency...but Windows might be as good if > you tune it, and as you said, there is more > available > audio software. > > What I expect to get is: > A) A simple and good quality live looping. I mean > for > example, I press button 1 on the foot controller, > record let's say a guitar rythm, and if I press > button > 2 the rythm plays along, and if I play button 3, the > loop is saved but no played + some tricks about > quantization => the sample would be cut nicely, not > in > the middle of 2 beats !! > + ability to play stop the recorded loops > independantly > B) Some good delays and reverbs, switchable via foot > controller > C) Weird FX (bit-crusher, octaver) switchable as > well > D) Ability to trigger some pre-recorded samples as > well. > > I guess I can achieve this with little latency on a > pretty small computer with windows OS if I tune it > for > music only. > --- Jeff Larson a écrit : > > > Romain Rochas wrote: > > > 3)- A pedal board => should be plugged directly > > via USB or Via a > > > MIDI->USB interface (Midiman) (any suggestions > ?) > > > > Behringer FCB 1010 with any single port MIDI->USB > > interface. > > > > > About software, I need: > > > 4) - a live processing main software which can > > loop and which can map > > > the pedal actions to actual sampling/processing > > command > > > > Well, this is a rather large topic that is > discussed > > at least > > once a month here and on many other forums. If > > you're determined > > to use Linux you should explore some forums > devoted > > to Linux audio > > applications. There are some good Linux looping > > applications such > > as SooperLooper and Freewheeling, but in general I > > think you will > > find that there aren't many choices unless you are > > willing to write > > your own software. By far the majority of audio > > applications run > > on Mac or Windows. > > > > > The idea will be to have the audio main > > application being launched at OS > > > startup, so I would'nt even need a screen (could > > display the presets > > > info on the pedal board ?) > > > > I doubt you will be able to do this without a > > screen. Even dedicated > > hardware devices have LCD's and LED's to give you > > some idea of what > > is happening. There are no pedal boards that I'm > > aware of that display > > messages sent to it by the computer. > > > > If you were more specific about exactly the kinds > of > > looping/sampling/fx > > functions you want you may get better advice. > But > > unless you can find > > what you need on Linux or are willing to invest > many > > months of time writing > > your own software, you will be better off buying a > > cheap Windows laptop > > or Mac Mini, learning about VST plugins, and > > exploring the very large world > > of audio software for those platforms. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le > nouveau Yahoo! > Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur > http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 18:59:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5AMvhY05991; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Software QA Manager job opportunity with audio company (Euphonix) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:58:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c56e0f$ee17a920$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1118432014.42a9eb0e945db@webmail.musetrap.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j5AMvCo05935 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just had a look at your product listing - looks way cool! If I got the job in question, would I be your direct superior? Sounds even cooler! ;-) And your site is in Palo Alto? Too bad that isn't the area I can list professional experience in my resumé, only amateur experience (my QA experience stems from safety-critical embedded systems...). Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: cpr@musetrap.com [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2005 21:34 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: OT: Software QA Manager job opportunity with audio company (Euphonix) Hey loopers, Our current QA Manager is changing positions in the company and so we are in need of his replacement. The company is Euphonix (www.euphonix.com); "Euphonix is a leading manufacturer of large format digital audio mixing consoles, integrated digital audio workstation control surfaces, multi-track digital recorders and peripherals for live broadcast, TV & film audio post-production, and music production applications. Euphonix consoles and recorders offer uncompromised digital audio with the highest audio resolution in the industry." I'm a software engineer there, so you would have the pleasure of telling me how much my work sucks.. hehe.. :) peace -cpr -------------------------------------------------------------------- Euphonix ~ Software QA Manager: * Manage the SW QA Department: Assign and monitor tasks to testers based on the project manager's release requirements. Maintain and specify the equipment needs of the test studio and satellite test rigs. Consolidate and qualify test plans submitted by testers to help create time estimates. * FogBugz bug tracking data management: Monitor the quality and priority of bugs being entered on a daily basis. Flag and assign significant bugs to the project manager for discussion and qualification. Generate progress reports and release notes using Microsoft Excel query of database. * Other Responsibilities: Work with customer service manager to provide field service with timely and accurate information. Advanced system testing and instruction to testers on realistic industry practice to improve test coverage. Help with reproducing bugs and troubleshooting client issues. Communication with sales and marketing departments as questions arise. Attend regular status meetings and create periodic department presentations as required. At least 3 years applicable professional industry experience with hands on mixing and audio system routing and design. Must be self sufficient in configuring and operating large format digital mixing consoles and DAWs. Must have general knowledge of PC based workstations and applications. Must have basic operation skills for ProTools and Nuendo. Basic C++ scripting skills a plus but not required. Must have excellent people, communication and organizational skills. Occasional travel to client sites for instruction or troubleshooting will be required. Please submit your resume only if you meet the above requirments. hr@euphonix.com or fax 650-855-0410 ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 10 20:20:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5B0Jqb20687; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:19:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=td8eVgt+436jA9NmqXIa1QeQR5XpwwTmCe+bdu9WUb/WSuIVw0d1glETy/ad+GItcVTGU75o6/o2rc2yWn+fHKoSCZXJ5kSz4bxPumCKn5yH4t4Gl27KD/55k/bqtWlzWwtLTf0fMG8SBV8DxOl7xl20Dgn2gMORJQb8nBJmaf8= ; Message-ID: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: re: Digitech FS-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5vPL_D.A.8CF.Q4iqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is a schemo: http://www.plexusproductions.ca/FS300/ (credit: Brett L Maraldo, plexus@canada.com) They are diodes, not resistors. I wish the LD "search" was working, as this info is easily found in the archives here. =Randy Leifer= __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 11 05:52:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5B9jEw17860; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YjqmYQbQKTkLS0cjph/rIXMtdjjP2h0vcEADBBYxr8hKAXPF9XwRMrXcaW3RuBQKdpj9ic92YMpwaOZ9YRqQ3bt9xLVyY/IBLrv0+za0z5cDvb7UmeL7wxxzO8EguLh6tbZiYUAO5uoQ1eicgv65HQ9RJUw4+4Vpgg/733V9nFw= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 02:44:32 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software QA Manager job opportunity with audio company (Euphonix) In-Reply-To: <000101c56e0f$ee17a920$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1118432014.42a9eb0e945db@webmail.musetrap.com> <000101c56e0f$ee17a920$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j5B9ico17793 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's so cute--you think that the QA department ever has power over Development.... On 6/10/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Just had a look at your product listing - looks way cool! If I got the > job in question, would I be your direct superior? Sounds even cooler! > ;-) And your site is in Palo Alto? Too bad that isn't the area I can > list professional experience in my resumé, only amateur experience (my > QA experience stems from safety-critical embedded systems...). > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cpr@musetrap.com [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2005 21:34 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: OT: Software QA Manager job opportunity with audio company > (Euphonix) > > > Hey loopers, > > Our current QA Manager is changing positions in the company and so we > are in need of his replacement. The company is Euphonix > (www.euphonix.com); "Euphonix is a leading manufacturer of large format > digital audio mixing consoles, integrated digital audio workstation > control surfaces, multi-track digital recorders and peripherals for live > broadcast, TV & film audio post-production, and music production > applications. Euphonix consoles and recorders offer uncompromised > digital audio with the highest audio resolution in the industry." > > I'm a software engineer there, so you would have the pleasure of > telling me how much my work sucks.. hehe.. :) > > peace > -cpr > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Euphonix ~ Software QA Manager: > > * Manage the SW QA Department: > Assign and monitor tasks to testers based on the project manager's > release requirements. > Maintain and specify the equipment needs of the test studio and > satellite test rigs. > Consolidate and qualify test plans submitted by testers to help create > time estimates. > * FogBugz bug tracking data management: > Monitor the quality and priority of bugs being entered on a daily basis. > > Flag and assign significant bugs to the project manager for discussion > and qualification. > Generate progress reports and release notes using Microsoft Excel query > of database. > * Other Responsibilities: > Work with customer service manager to provide field service with timely > and accurate information. > Advanced system testing and instruction to testers on realistic industry > practice to improve test coverage. > Help with reproducing bugs and troubleshooting client issues. > Communication with sales and marketing departments as questions arise. > Attend regular status meetings and create periodic department > presentations as required. > > At least 3 years applicable professional industry experience with hands > on mixing and audio system routing and design. Must be self sufficient > in configuring and operating large format digital mixing consoles and > DAWs. Must have general knowledge of PC based workstations and > applications. Must have basic operation skills for ProTools and Nuendo. > Basic C++ scripting skills a plus but not required. Must have excellent > people, communication and organizational skills. Occasional travel to > client sites for instruction or troubleshooting will be required. > > Please submit your resume only if you meet the above requirments. > hr@euphonix.com or fax 650-855-0410 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 11 10:06:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5BE5q815137; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:05:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.41] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Digitech FS-300 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:05:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2005 14:05:16.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[97FBA530:01C56E8E] Resent-Message-ID: <7HPrxB.A.IsD.i-uqCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks a lot guys i think i got what i need. now. hear hear about the search, i have tried a few obvious things and got no results whats with that? Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface >From: Randy Leifer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: re: Digitech FS-300 >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) > >Here is a schemo: >http://www.plexusproductions.ca/FS300/ >(credit: Brett L Maraldo, plexus@canada.com) > >They are diodes, not resistors. >I wish the LD "search" was working, as this info is >easily found in the archives here. > > >=Randy Leifer= > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 11 13:16:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5BHFRI29780; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:15:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:15:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: X-Y midi foot controller? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <005101c56cf3$aef4f8f0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're willing to take a Mac laptop with you, the Steim junxion application converts USB to MIDI, and is immensely configurable. http://www.steim.org/steim/junxion.html Using the SmartJoyPlus playstation2>USB adapter (about $13 US) you can use a Dance Dance Revolution playstation2 game controller. http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=161&products_id=3833& (or almost every other playstation2 controller I've tested, although sadly not the Taiko Drum Master ps2 drum controller. Whine. :) ) Or literally every USB keyboard or input device I've tried so far. However, you're asking for x-y, and it occured to me that I hadn't tested junXion with graphics tablets yet. So, last night after the show I played in, I went by the local Apple Store and tested my Powerbook running junXion with a Wacom graphics tablet. The only one unpackaged was the Wacom Intuos3 6"x8" pad, the roughly $350 retail one. It works flawlessly with junXion, junXion autosensing and labeling x, y, three buttons (pen) and scrollwheel (mouse). Interestingly enough, the x and y values did not appear to be position, but speed: the faster you move left or right, the higher the x value rose to. Since the Wacom family of tablets uses the same drivers, I expect the $99 non-Intuos 4x5" tablet works identically with junXion. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 11 17:16:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5BLDRY23167; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:13:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050611140009.04b92008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:13:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Why the Looper's Delight archive search is broken In-Reply-To: References: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:05 AM 6/11/2005, phill wilson wrote: >hear hear about the search, i have tried a few obvious things and got no >results whats with that? >>From: Randy Leifer >> >>I wish the LD "search" was working, as this info is >>easily found in the archives here. Sorry about that. The Looper's Delight archive search is broken because my server began developing major disk problems. The first symptom was the search database for Looper's Delight getting corrupted a couple weeks ago. The server was getting a little old anyway, so rather than try to fix it we decide to upgrade to a new server. Of course that takes a little while to set up, but it is going smooth so far. We are currently transferring all the web sites we run to the new machine, and the last one scheduled to transfer is Looper's Delight. That will be tomorrow morning. I don't expect any problems, and hopefully nobody will even notice. Once the transfer is done and any issues that come up are fixed, I will be able to rebuild the search database and get it running again. I'll let you know when it is working. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 11 23:20:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5C3J2O28767; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:19:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.47144c86.2fdd0359@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:17:45 EDT Subject: Re: Why the Looper's Delight archive search is broken To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.47144c86.2fdd0359_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7b.47144c86.2fdd0359_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/11/05 5:13:22 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > I'll let you know when it is working. > > kim.....the next beer is on me!.....TANKS!.....mic --part1_7b.47144c86.2fdd0359_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/11/05 5:13:22 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:

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kim.....the next beer is on me!.....TANKS!.....mic --part1_7b.47144c86.2fdd0359_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 12 03:21:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5C7HaT28950; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:17:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:17:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:16:24 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088053@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified thread-index: AcVvHqRa3SEfeZN1SzGWJ9ylFnr5Ew== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2005 07:16:26.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[A534CC50:01C56F1E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j5C7GTo28839 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all - I have a few updates. First, I now have the list of contributors for Xperimentus, my avant-garde/experimental CD project, who are: 1. Krispen Hartung (Boise, USA) - Acoustic Guitar, electric guitar, project coordinator/artistic director 2. Vincent Miresse (Boise, USA) - Didjeridu, percussion 3. Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of drums 4. Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar 5. Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar 6. Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar 7. Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, whimsical electronics 8. Fabio Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics 9. Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic Drums 10. Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar 11. Sony Felberg - (Seattle, USA) - Found Sound composer/ACID 12. Ted Killian (Medford, USA) - Guitar 13. Scott Hansen (USA) - Guitar 14. David Coffin (USA) - Guitar This will be an interesting project, based on the parameters I have defined for composition. I sent out a detailed project datasheet to all the contributors today, and I hope to have the project complete by December. Second, for the benefit of all LD members, I've created a new music/video group on the ZeD website. This page will feature music and videos of loopers from around the world. The cool thing is that it is free, and there isn't any file size limitation for your MP3s for video files (as far as I can tell so far). This site gets great exposure, and in the group description I've provided links to Looper's Delight and the LooopMusic Yahoo group for folks who want to learn more about looping, and to provide more exposure to these resources. If you are interested in having your music or videos featured, it is as simple as 1-2-3. Just follow these simple steps: 1) Register for Free as a user at ZeD: http://zed.cbc.ca/go?c=register 2) You will need to prepare the following: a) A JPG, GIF, or PNG thumbnail of you, your CD cover, or some other image depicting your work that is w60px X h60px < 15kb, b) a JPG, GIF, PNG, or SWF profile image that is w510px x h220px, and c) a description of your song or video. You can upload without images as well. 3) Upload your music at this page after logging in: http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=Information&CONTENT_ID=189906&c= contentPage (I recommending titling your video/song as "Title - Artist Name" I have some of my videos and MP3s there, plus the videos of Kim Galibert. Thanks, Kim!!! Perhaps when the site has a fair amount of content on it, I'll get Kim Flint's permission to create a page on the Looper's Delight Site, which lists the contributors, content, and back-links to the ZeD server to view/listen to the content. Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 12 08:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j5CCIA127847; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 08:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 08:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c56f4a$38e71ae0$756afea9@smitty> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088053@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:28:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Kris, there is a (negotiable) file size limit of either 200MB or 250MB (can't remember) per account at ZeD. If you need more, you got to write to them and explain why. There is however no limit per individual file (other than the 200/250MB limit I mentioned). Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified > Hello all - > > I have a few updates. First, I now have the list of contributors for > Xperimentus, my avant-garde/experimental CD project, who are: > > 1. Krispen Hartung (Boise, USA) - Acoustic Guitar, electric guitar, > project coordinator/artistic director > 2. Vincent Miresse (Boise, USA) - Didjeridu, percussion > 3. Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of drums > 4. Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar > 5. Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar > 6. Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar > 7. Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of > electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, whimsical electronics > 8. Fabio Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics > 9. Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, > Electronic Drums > 10. Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar > 11. Sony Felberg - (Seattle, USA) - Found Sound composer/ACID > 12. Ted Killian (Medford, USA) - Guitar > 13. Scott Hansen (USA) - Guitar > 14. David Coffin (USA) - Guitar > > This will be an interesting project, based on the parameters I have > defined for composition. I sent out a detailed project datasheet to all > the contributors today, and I hope to have the project complete by > December. > > Second, for the benefit of all LD members, I've created a new > music/video group on the ZeD website. This page will feature music and > videos of loopers from around the world. The cool thing is that it is > free, and there isn't any file size limitation for your MP3s for video > files (as far as I can tell so far). This site gets great exposure, and > in the group description I've provided links to Looper's Delight and the > LooopMusic Yahoo group for folks who want to learn more about looping, > and to provide more exposure to these resources. > > If you are interested in having your music or videos featured, it is as > simple as 1-2-3. Just follow these simple steps: > > 1) Register for Free as a user at ZeD: http://zed.cbc.ca/go?c=register > > 2) You will need to prepare the following: a) A JPG, GIF, or PNG > thumbnail of you, your CD cover, or some other image depicting your work > that is w60px X h60px < 15kb, b) a JPG, GIF, PNG, or SWF profile image > that is w510px x h220px, and c) a description of your song or video. You > can upload without images as well. > > 3) Upload your music at this page after logging in: > http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=Information&CONTENT_ID=189906&c= > contentPage (I recommending titling your video/song as "Title - Artist > Name" > > I have some of my videos and MP3s there, plus the videos of Kim > Galibert. Thanks, Kim!!! > > Perhaps when the site has a fair amount of content on it, I'll get Kim > Flint's permission to create a page on the Looper's Delight Site, which > lists the contributors, content, and back-links to the ZeD server to > view/listen to the content. > > Cheers, > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 02:37:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 890363BF31; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:02:20 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0108805E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified thread-index: AcVvSNPJlSB1fhO4QtmUr9ho34ePogAL7y1g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2005 18:02:22.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1E1AFB0:01C56F78] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:37:21 +0000 (UTC) This is correct, but per user. Hence, if everyone creates their own account and adds to that Looper group under their own ID (it is open to anyone to post files), then we won't have a problem. The limit is per user not group/page. I added Kim's videos under my own ID, but I won't be able to do this with others, because I ran out of space. I recommended that Kim create his own ID, re-upload the files, so I can delete those I uploaded under my own ID. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified Dear Kris, there is a (negotiable) file size limit of either 200MB or 250MB (can't remember) per account at ZeD. If you need more, you got to write to them and explain why. There is however no limit per individual file (other than the 200/250MB limit I mentioned). Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: New ZeD Loopers Music & Video Group / Xperimentus Contributors Identified > Hello all - > > I have a few updates. First, I now have the list of contributors for=20 > Xperimentus, my avant-garde/experimental CD project, who are: > > 1. Krispen Hartung (Boise, USA) - Acoustic Guitar, electric guitar,=20 > project coordinator/artistic director 2. Vincent Miresse (Boise, USA)=20 > - Didjeridu, percussion 3. Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar,=20 > keys and a bit of drums 4. Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar 5. Paul=20 > Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar 6. Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar 7. Rainer > Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of electric=20 > (bass) guitar and saxophone, whimsical electronics 8. Fabio Anile=20 > (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics 9. Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass,=20 > Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic Drums 10. Clint Allen (USA) -=20 > Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar 11. Sony Felberg - (Seattle, USA) - Found > Sound composer/ACID 12. Ted Killian (Medford, USA) - Guitar 13. Scott=20 > Hansen (USA) - Guitar 14. David Coffin (USA) - Guitar > > This will be an interesting project, based on the parameters I have=20 > defined for composition. I sent out a detailed project datasheet to=20 > all the contributors today, and I hope to have the project complete by > December. > > Second, for the benefit of all LD members, I've created a new=20 > music/video group on the ZeD website. This page will feature music and > videos of loopers from around the world. The cool thing is that it is=20 > free, and there isn't any file size limitation for your MP3s for video > files (as far as I can tell so far). This site gets great exposure,=20 > and in the group description I've provided links to Looper's Delight=20 > and the LooopMusic Yahoo group for folks who want to learn more about=20 > looping, and to provide more exposure to these resources. > > If you are interested in having your music or videos featured, it is=20 > as simple as 1-2-3. Just follow these simple steps: > > 1) Register for Free as a user at ZeD: = http://zed.cbc.ca/go?c=3Dregister > > 2) You will need to prepare the following: a) A JPG, GIF, or PNG=20 > thumbnail of you, your CD cover, or some other image depicting your=20 > work that is w60px X h60px < 15kb, b) a JPG, GIF, PNG, or SWF profile=20 > image that is w510px x h220px, and c) a description of your song or=20 > video. You can upload without images as well. > > 3) Upload your music at this page after logging in: > = http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=3DInformation&CONTENT_ID=3D189906= & > c=3D contentPage (I recommending titling your video/song as "Title -=20 > Artist Name" > > I have some of my videos and MP3s there, plus the videos of Kim=20 > Galibert. Thanks, Kim!!! > > Perhaps when the site has a fair amount of content on it, I'll get Kim > Flint's permission to create a page on the Looper's Delight Site,=20 > which lists the contributors, content, and back-links to the ZeD=20 > server to view/listen to the content. > > Cheers, > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 04:50:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77ADB3BF33; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents John Kameel Farah and Pholde Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:53:08 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000401c56fd3$cb29e430$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:50:25 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday June 15th - John Kameel Farah and Pholde Pholde (Allan Bloor aka Knurl) makes music through reverberations of metal. Circular saw blades, car springs, iron meshing and fan blades are bowed with hand files, smooth and threaded metal rods, angle iron and blocks of steel to produce a raw, intriguing underwater soundscape, at times chaotic. Rumbling cathederals of irregular harmonics, thudding forms and rolling thunders induce deep connections to the high spheres of acoustic cosmos. http://www.pholde.com Composer-pianist and visual artist John Kameel Farah merges the soundworlds of baroque counterpoint, improvisation, ambient minimalism and techno (IDM) to create a music that crosses time, history, culture and dimension. His visual art as well as his music focus on exchanges of physical, spiritual and emotional energy on both a macro-cosmic and microscopic level. http://www.johnfarah.com Between Sets CD - "Between Here & There" by Brian Parnham This new (2005) release of rich soundscapes was created for a DVD exploring western ghost towns, deserts and canyons and will surely appeal to fans of Steve Roach. http://www.floatingpointrecords.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming TUESDAY June 21st - The Ministry Of Inside Things MoIT: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~chuckv/pr2.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Wednesday, June 08, 2005 saw PiNG regulars Sylken (Eric Hopper), Anomolous Disturbances (Terry O'Brian) and URM (Jamie Todd) return for an evening of pure melodic ambience. Tracing their lineage back through Brian Eno's definitive ambient recordings, the trio presented a concert that was definitely worth your full attention but also easy to get lost in. Ranging from spacey synth stylings to elegant guitar work, the concert was distinguished by the merging of three distinct musical visions into a satisfying whole. Underpinning the artists' soundscapes were General Chaos' visuals. This time, richly coloured textures (with fishbone-esque overlay!) echoed the molten energy of the Sylken/Anomolous Disturbances/URM convergence. Their lazy swirls and burbling images were the perfect ambient compliment to Jamie's laptop minimalism, Terry's tasteful guitar treatments and Eric's musicality. More information available at: http://sylken.ca http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com http://www.urm.ca http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com *** Submissions for the forthcoming i POP PiNG magazine are trickling in . keep 'em coming by e-mailing luna@theambientping.com. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews * In anticipation of Akumu's CD release party on June 17th at the Drake Hotel in Toronto, this week we offer you a pre-release review of "Magmas" which will be available at ping things beginning June 21st. Deane Hughes of Akumu has a particular talent for manipulating sound sources into fascinating and new shapes and forms. His release from Last year, "Fluxes", was a complex exploration of field recordings made during a trip to South America which were manipulated and woven into an intricate tapestry of abstract sound. With the release of his latest disc "Magmas", Deane continues to explore the sonic riches from his travels, but takes a more pulse/beat driven approach rather than the free form nature of "Fluxes". With it's use of percussive and drone elements, "Magmas" presents itself as a travelogue of new environments, an unbroken flow of sound and fluidity suggesting both alien landscapes and more familiar terrain. Tracks slowly bleed into each other, a constant parade of images and soundscapes that shift naturally from one into another in a slow but steady stream. A brief vocal track, "Maximon", opens the disc, leading into "Evolute" featuring a wave pattern that sweeps in and out interspersed with a simultaneously hypnotic and beautiful metallic noise pattern. "Come for Festival?" shifts the tone subtly, adding a more percussive element to the sounds of metal that play throughout. As the song progresses tones become more frenetic in nature, eventually reaching a fever pitch of scraping and whirring before returning to a sense of calm. "Imitated" follows using a shifting rhythm overtop an oscillating drone, gradually building in complexity and intensity. "Aguanatural" employs fluid sources as a backdrop for a mesmerizing repeated percussive pattern, an overall effect that brings to mind the work of musique concrete artiste Aube given his preoccupation with water and its charms. "Alarma" is a hypnotic and beautiful piece using a siren-like oscillation underneath an almost playful percussive undercurrent. "Landscape XIX" has a windtunnel quality to it, a struggling almost choked percussive pattern that works in contrast to the steady pulse of the underlying drone. This pulse eventually gives way to "Arrythmica" which has a certain manic energy to its percussive elements ultimately leading the listener to the cool chill of "And other isms", which closes the disc with a pulsing wave pattern. Without doubt "Magmas" is a release which firmly establishes Deane as a master of the shaping and creation of sonic environments. It's an engaging and thoughtful release which solidifies Akumu's position as a truly innovative project and Deane's standing as a distinct and important artist in the experimental genre. Highly recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 05:43:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CD113BF41; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 05:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Message-Id: <5b6f455bf627e8aaeb67c19fb5e66f4a@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-746607812 To: bruce tovsky Subject: an evening at building 30 From: bruce tovsky Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:24:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 05:43:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-746607812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed || |||| | || |||| | ||| | | || | |||| | | || | ||| | || |||| | || ||| | || | | |||| | ||| | | | ||| | | ||||| || a 106 BLDG 30 event Bruce Tovsky & Tracy Wuischpard are pleased to announce their premiere event at 106 BLDG 30 in the Brooklyn Navy Yard an evening of short works ETHER a short video/sound piece by Bruce Tovsky DREAM SONGS a new quadraphonic sound piece by John Hudak and a live improv trio with David Linton, Brooks Williams and Bruce Tovsky free appropriate refreshments will be served projection video and quadraphonic sound this evening is part of the Electronic Music Foundation's "HipChips" Festival www.emf.org Building 30 is located at 63 Flushing Avenue, in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. It is the second building on the right just inside the Cumberland St. entrance. The Brooklyn Navy Yard is a gated facility; you will need to tell the guard that you're going to NY Creative, Suite 106, Building 30. for more information and directions go to: http://www.skeletonhome.com/106BLDG30/106BLDG30_2.html for more info on Building 30 go to www.building30.com || |||| | || |||| | ||| | | || | |||| | | || | ||| | || |||| | || ||| | || | | |||| | ||| | | | ||| | | ||||| || bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-2-746607812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII || |||| | || |||| | ||| | | || | |||| | | || | ||| | || |||| | || ||| | || | | |||| | ||| | | | ||| | | ||||| || a 106 BLDG 30 event Bruce Tovsky & Tracy Wuischpard are pleased to announce their premiere event at 106 BLDG 30 in the Brooklyn Navy Yard an evening of short works ETHER a short video/sound piece by Bruce Tovsky DREAM SONGS a new quadraphonic sound piece by John Hudak and a live improv trio with David Linton, Brooks Williams and Bruce Tovsky free appropriate refreshments will be served projection video and quadraphonic sound this evening is part of the Electronic Music Foundation's "HipChips" Festival www.emf.org Building 30 is located at 63 Flushing Avenue, in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. It is the second building on the right just inside the Cumberland St. entrance. The Brooklyn Navy Yard is a gated facility; you will need to tell the guard that you're going to NY Creative, Suite 106, Building 30. for more information and directions go to: http://www.skeletonhome.com/106BLDG30/106BLDG30_2.html for more info on Building 30 go to www.building30.com || |||| | || |||| | ||| | | || | |||| | | || | ||| | || |||| | || ||| | || | | |||| | ||| | | | ||| | | ||||| || bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-2-746607812-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 08:10:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA8A3BF39; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050613010427.04f6bc00@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:11:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Why the Looper's Delight archive search is broken In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050611140009.04b92008@loopers-delight.com> References: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050611140009.04b92008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody- The Looper's Delight archive search is now working again. If you see anything going wrong on the website, please let me know. I think all the issues with upgrading our server have been sorted out, but if we missed something please tell me. thanks! kim At 02:13 PM 6/11/2005, Kim Flint wrote: >The Looper's Delight archive search is broken because my server began >developing major disk problems. The first symptom was the search database >for Looper's Delight getting corrupted a couple weeks ago. The server was >getting a little old anyway, so rather than try to fix it we decide to >upgrade to a new server. Of course that takes a little while to set up, >but it is going smooth so far. We are currently transferring all the web >sites we run to the new machine, and the last one scheduled to transfer is >Looper's Delight. That will be tomorrow morning. I don't expect any >problems, and hopefully nobody will even notice. Once the transfer is done >and any issues that come up are fixed, I will be able to rebuild the >search database and get it running again. I'll let you know when it is working. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 08:35:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 233773BF47; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050613010427.04f6bc00@loopers-delight.com> References: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050611140009.04b92008@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050613010427.04f6bc00@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F4DFBFB-CDBC-4586-8DDD-C743D373028C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Why the Looper's Delight archive search is broken Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:35:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:35:45 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 13, 2005, at 10:11, Kim Flint wrote: > Hi everybody- > > The Looper's Delight archive search is now working again. > > If you see anything going wrong on the website, please let me know. > I think all the issues with upgrading our server have been sorted > out, but if we missed something please tell me. > > thanks! > kim Thank you, Kim! That's good news. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 08:39:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5A1A3BF3E; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050613010427.04f6bc00@loopers-delight.com> References: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050611140009.04b92008@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050613010427.04f6bc00@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8100C8EE-D0AE-4CCB-B99B-203648878AC8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: EDP crashing on RAM shortage? Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:39:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <4l80LB.A.DYD.2YUrCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi, The other day I was playing with my Echoplex in "Moore Loops = L9" mode. Pretty soon the machine stopped working, the display showing just "----------". I was doing some long cycles, so I thought it might be that the RAM segment for each loop became too small? Any other ideas on what it could be? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 14:49:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A3023BF11; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42AD9936.1080103@helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:33:26 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Analogue Heaven , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Complete Tascam 38 1/2" Reel to Reel + DBX units, cables, etc... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:49:21 +0000 (UTC) I am selling a Tascam 1/2" reel to reel deck for a friend. This unit was used by a theater composer for years who maintained it but hasn't used it in a few years. It was sealed in plastic in a closet and he is moving so it goes to me to get rid of. This appears to be a complete pro level analog recording package and includes the following: Tascam 38 - 8 track 1/2" tape reel to reel deck. The unit looks like in it's excellent condition. All lights, meters, buttons, etc, light up and the transport and LED appear to function perfectly. SUPER clean . There is one ding in the outside case cosmetically otherwise it looks almost new. I don't have any 1/2" tape or time to wire this all up but I tested it a few times for all the functions I could check and it appears in top shape. Due to the fact I can't fully test it I am selling it AS IS. The previous owner said he had it serviced regularly and I know he takes super good care of his equipment but again, it's not fully tested by me so buy it accordingly. Dust cover is included. There are two (2) DX-4D DBX noise reduction units included. Each is one 19" rack space with ears, rca in/out (like the unit itself) and fully switchable per channel and master one off. Each comes with an eight channel RCA -> RCA snake so you can hook them up to the 38 right away for a complete 8 channels of switchable DBX. Also included is a single space 19" rack space Tascam 48 point RCA patchbay, an extra 8 channel Rca-Rca snake and a handle full of loose rca-rca cables. presumably this will allow you even more flexibility in routing things into the deck, DBX units, etc. The snakes are all high end. There also is a large 1/2" size metal take up reel and a box of misc splicing equipment, leader tape, cleaning supplies etc. Basically this came out of the closet of a Pro who took care of it very well but has no need for it anymore. You get everything needed including extra cables, three snakes, 8 full channels of DBX, the Deck in what appears to be *very* good condition, and many extra misc things. This is ideal for the home recordist who wants professional "old school" reel to reel recordings and analog warmth. I'm told these ae KILLER on recording drums and bass (not the techno genre the instruments - :)). Many folks record synths and such on this kind of analog system ansd then dump it to computer to get a better sound as well. All you need is a mixer of your choice and you're good to go. Prices vary on these. They sell pretty consistently in the $400 range for the tape deck alone on auction but obviously go for less at times and more from dealers. The extras add quite a bit (even the damn metal takeup reel is $$). I am looking for any reasonable offer for everything. If you want just the DXB4 units or something then that's a possibility as well but only after the deck is sold. I need to sell this but I don't have to "dump" it if you know what I mean. Still if you've got a serious offer then let me know ASAP. I will GREATLY prefer a pickup sale in Phila PA and can meet anywhere an hour or so away as well on a confirmed sale. If there is no pickup and local music stores don't want it I may consider shipping in it a bit but please keep in mind this unit is HEAVY and shipping and packing will need to be done by a pro place and will be expensive. Clearly US only on this and shipping is a last resort. I will rather take a lower offer than ship at a higher price so here's your chance for a super bargain. Again, this is a well taken care of, complete pro analog recording package piece but it is untested with tape so "As Is". I will answer any questions I can so feel free to ask. I have pictures on request. Thanks! -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." NOW! New online shopping cart of great Indie Rock and Electronic music: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com/catalog.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 15:25:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E36EB3BF40; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c5702d$44860440$6501a8c0@suscom.net> From: "stacey young" To: References: <42AD9936.1080103@helpwantedproductions.com> Subject: Re: Complete Tascam 38 1/2" Reel to Reel + DBX units, cables, etc... Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:33:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I might be interested in buying this Tascam and I do live about an two hour drive from phil.towards Harrisburg area in Pa.My money is a little tight but let me see what I can do.I don't know that I would want the dbx or patch bay if you could sell them separate.I have a bunch of reel to reels and none of them work right now so it would be cool to have one to use that worked in my studio.I had an old Teac half inch 8 track twice in the past and know they sound good . Thanks, Stacey axis@blazenet.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Analogue Heaven" ; Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: FS: Complete Tascam 38 1/2" Reel to Reel + DBX units, cables, etc... > I am selling a Tascam 1/2" reel to reel deck for a friend. This unit > was used by a theater composer for years who maintained it but hasn't > used it in a few years. It was sealed in plastic in a closet and he is > moving so it goes to me to get rid of. This appears to be a complete pro > level analog recording package and includes the following: > > Tascam 38 - 8 track 1/2" tape reel to reel deck. The unit looks like in > it's excellent condition. All lights, meters, buttons, etc, light up and > the transport and LED appear to function perfectly. SUPER clean . There > is one ding in the outside case cosmetically otherwise it looks almost > new. I don't have any 1/2" tape or time to wire this all up but I > tested it a few times for all the functions I could check and it appears > in top shape. Due to the fact I can't fully test it I am selling it AS > IS. The previous owner said he had it serviced regularly and I know he > takes super good care of his equipment but again, it's not fully tested > by me so buy it accordingly. Dust cover is included. > > There are two (2) DX-4D DBX noise reduction units included. Each is one > 19" rack space with ears, rca in/out (like the unit itself) and fully > switchable per channel and master one off. Each comes with an eight > channel RCA -> RCA snake so you can hook them up to the 38 right away > for a complete 8 channels of switchable DBX. > > Also included is a single space 19" rack space Tascam 48 point RCA > patchbay, an extra 8 channel Rca-Rca snake and a handle full of loose > rca-rca cables. presumably this will allow you even more flexibility in > routing things into the deck, DBX units, etc. The snakes are all high end. > > There also is a large 1/2" size metal take up reel and a box of misc > splicing equipment, leader tape, cleaning supplies etc. > > Basically this came out of the closet of a Pro who took care of it very > well but has no need for it anymore. You get everything needed including > extra cables, three snakes, 8 full channels of DBX, the Deck in what > appears to be *very* good condition, and many extra misc things. This is > ideal for the home recordist who wants professional "old school" reel > to reel recordings and analog warmth. I'm told these ae KILLER on > recording drums and bass (not the techno genre the instruments - :)). > Many folks record synths and such on this kind of analog system ansd > then dump it to computer to get a better sound as well. All you need is > a mixer of your choice and you're good to go. > > Prices vary on these. They sell pretty consistently in the $400 range > for the tape deck alone on auction but obviously go for less at times > and more from dealers. The extras add quite a bit (even the damn metal > takeup reel is $$). I am looking for any reasonable offer for > everything. If you want just the DXB4 units or something then that's a > possibility as well but only after the deck is sold. I need to sell this > but I don't have to "dump" it if you know what I mean. Still if you've > got a serious offer then let me know ASAP. > > I will GREATLY prefer a pickup sale in Phila PA and can meet anywhere an > hour or so away as well on a confirmed sale. If there is no pickup and > local music stores don't want it I may consider shipping in it a bit > but please keep in mind this unit is HEAVY and shipping and packing > will need to be done by a pro place and will be expensive. Clearly US > only on this and shipping is a last resort. I will rather take a lower > offer than ship at a higher price so here's your chance for a super > bargain. > > Again, this is a well taken care of, complete pro analog recording > package piece but it is untested with tape so "As Is". I will answer > any questions I can so feel free to ask. I have pictures on request. > > Thanks! > > -- > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > NOW! New online shopping cart of great Indie Rock and Electronic music: > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com/catalog.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 16:52:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F04B3BF40; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42AA0369.4020009@sun.com> References: <20050610203354.95907.qmail@web26805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <42AA0369.4020009@sun.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:48:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Upcoming gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:52:19 +0000 (UTC) I will be doing a looping show at Penny Lane Coffee house here in Boulder on Wednesday. It's been several years since I have done one, so it will be a challenge. Anyone who says you don't have rehearse improvisation is lying and improv with looping is even more challenging. My rig has changed so much from the last time I did one of these that half the battle will be reconfiguring it for improvisation, effects wise. I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as Penny Lane is closing next month and they have been a great venue for alternative performances (including many by Beat Poets back in the day). I also feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know most of you can't make it! Loop on! -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 19:52:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19E5B3BF2E; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050608175810.3565.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050608175810.3565.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <668665b46771020022f0671c2c36632d@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:52:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:52:40 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 8, 2005, at 12:58 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct > outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I > saw the outputs, they look like computer serial > cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to bring > those outs into a MOTU 828? if you buy an Onyx, why would you want to record to an 828? there's a firewire card that brings those direct outs right to 24 bit convertors. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 21:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967AF3BF4F; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: gig spam: Cambridge (UK) Loopfest 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:44:22 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:44:26 +0000 (UTC) The Third Annual Cambridge Festival of Looping http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ saturday july 2nd 2005 8pm-11pm (doors open 7:30pm) =A36 on the door (=A35 concessions with ID) at the michaelhouse cafe, trinity street, cambridge, england featuring: the fuzzy lights www.fuzzylights.com (guitar and violin) nick robinson www.nickrobinson.info/music/ (guitar) dan mayfield www.danmayfield.com (guitar, violin, &c) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 13 21:57:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00A33BF64; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aKUUgv4toruvGigvtifgeeFA+HZnn5p9XzaZE69Lr0PlfLMPm7dDXJSbf5GurttMjMeE/RyUmgLEAu6fMvbYO8pTzuLs95/EW0fku/Bu1psPVBP5PotP3l4EL6kR7D8sqbwbWOf2b++1gIjlDM1iQRNe4iNJNdXg0lDCXs8ZXEc= ; Message-ID: <20050613215750.9023.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <668665b46771020022f0671c2c36632d@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1207850513-1118699870=:7728" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:57:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-1207850513-1118699870=:7728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd say the 'why' would be $400.00 for the Firewire card. Suit & Tie Guy wrote:On Jun 8, 2005, at 12:58 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct > outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I > saw the outputs, they look like computer serial > cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to bring > those outs into a MOTU 828? if you buy an Onyx, why would you want to record to an 828? there's a firewire card that brings those direct outs right to 24 bit convertors. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! --0-1207850513-1118699870=:7728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'd say the 'why' would be $400.00 for the Firewire card.

Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
On Jun 8, 2005, at 12:58 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:
> I have one question though: what's "Balanced direct
> outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" mean? I
> saw the outputs, they look like computer serial
> cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to bring
> those outs into a MOTU 828?

if you buy an Onyx, why would you want to record to an 828?

there's a firewire card that brings those direct outs right to 24 bit
convertors.

---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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Check it out! --0-1207850513-1118699870=:7728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 00:35:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 358B73BF51; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20050610203354.95907.qmail@web26805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <42AA0369.4020009@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0b2c321e609371142233a88ed2787dc9@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: pmimlitsch@mac.com Subject: Re: Upcoming gig Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:40:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <_9lGtD.A.dnC.XZirCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Edwin; I would have definitely been there except for the fact that I'll be attending the John Butler Trio concert. What hours are you playing? Maybe I can drop by before or after JBT. - Paul On Jun 13, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > I will be doing a looping show at Penny Lane Coffee house here in > Boulder on Wednesday. It's been several years since I have done one, > so it will be a challenge. Anyone who says you don't have rehearse > improvisation is lying and improv with looping is even more > challenging. My rig has changed so much from the last time I did one > of these that half the battle will be reconfiguring it for > improvisation, effects wise. > I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as Penny Lane is closing > next month and they have been a great venue for alternative > performances (including many by Beat Poets back in the day). I also > feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know most of you can't make > it! > > Loop on! > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 08:30:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38DAA3BF4B; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050614012807.052d2c68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:30:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP crashing on RAM shortage? In-Reply-To: <8100C8EE-D0AE-4CCB-B99B-203648878AC8@boysen.se> References: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050611140009.04b92008@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050613010427.04f6bc00@loopers-delight.com> <8100C8EE-D0AE-4CCB-B99B-203648878AC8@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:30:24 +0000 (UTC) At 01:39 AM 6/13/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >The other day I was playing with my Echoplex in "Moore Loops = L9" >mode. Pretty soon the machine stopped working, the display showing >just "----------". I was doing some long cycles, so I thought it >might be that the RAM segment for each loop became too small? Any >other ideas on what it could be? that's what happens if you run out of memory while multiplying. It will stop the multiply and go back to looping the original cycle, so you don't get some strange rhythm problem if the memory runs out in the middle somewhere. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 09:43:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56CA83BF4E; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050614012807.052d2c68@loopers-delight.com> References: <20050611001922.79155.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050611140009.04b92008@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050613010427.04f6bc00@loopers-delight.com> <8100C8EE-D0AE-4CCB-B99B-203648878AC8@boysen.se> <6.1.2.0.2.20050614012807.052d2c68@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <377E7729-C3D4-4BD7-9615-56E3E84C9848@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP crashing on RAM shortage? Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:43:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:43:23 +0000 (UTC) > At 01:39 AM 6/13/2005, Per Boysen wrote: > >> The other day I was playing with my Echoplex in "Moore Loops = L9" >> mode. Pretty soon the machine stopped working, the display showing >> just "----------". I was doing some long cycles, so I thought it >> might be that the RAM segment for each loop became too small? Any >> other ideas on what it could be? >> > On Jun 14, 2005, at 10:30, Kim Flint wrote: > that's what happens if you run out of memory while multiplying. It > will stop the multiply and go back to looping the original cycle, > so you don't get some strange rhythm problem if the memory runs out > in the middle somewhere. > > kim Thank you, Kim. Your answer helped me to track the error to myself ;-) Fixing it now. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 18:39:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D8C3BF6F; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050614183954.81699.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:39:55 +0000 (UTC) I totally hear you! I just played my first live gig in about 2 years and boy in hind sight I wish I'd have had another month to prepare! I'd decided to create new material for it and I believe that was part of my mistake. On the bright side I got a bunch of new stuff created and it's actually inspired me to drop live improv and go for something that's closer to how someone like Amy X or Andre Lafosse does live looping. Why? I realize that most of the shows I really walk away from and enjoy are ones that are probably 80% precomposed... so why aren't I making that kind of music myself? I used to... many moons ago. I think the freedom the JamMan/Sequencer gave me made me really interested in this sort of totally improvised music. Hell, it's really fun to do... but from the perspective of the audience, do they care (and by audience, I don't mean your other looping friends) I just have realized that the more I plan out a piece (usually by extensive studio improvisation) the better the audience seems to recieve it. I partly realize this because a friend of mine moved to the SF area and we used to play together. I remember the shows we did and the CD we put together and I realize that I've not created anything like that since I left NY. I think it's time to move back to that way of performing. Hell, if anything, it sure is a lot easier! While the trade off may be missing some of those happy accidents, hopefully it will result in missing some of those unhappy accidents too. Mark --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > I will be doing a looping show at Penny Lane Coffee > house here in > Boulder on Wednesday. It's been several years since > I have done one, > so it will be a challenge. Anyone who says you don't > have rehearse > improvisation is lying and improv with looping is > even more > challenging. My rig has changed so much from the > last time I did one > of these that half the battle will be reconfiguring > it for > improvisation, effects wise. > I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as Penny > Lane is closing > next month and they have been a great venue for > alternative > performances (including many by Beat Poets back in > the day). I also > feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know most > of you can't make > it! > > Loop on! > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > Services > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 18:41:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B810A3BF70; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050614184113.89752.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <668665b46771020022f0671c2c36632d@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Why? Because I already have one. --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jun 8, 2005, at 12:58 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > I have one question though: what's "Balanced > direct > > outs for every channel via DB-25 connections" > mean? I > > saw the outputs, they look like computer serial > > cables. Is there an adaptor that I could use to > bring > > those outs into a MOTU 828? > > if you buy an Onyx, why would you want to record to > an 828? > > there's a firewire card that brings those direct > outs right to 24 bit > convertors. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 18:48:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BAA3BF71; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1118774580.42af2534dd9b1@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:43:00 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mark sottilaro Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig References: <20050614183954.81699.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050614183954.81699.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 207.20.3.87 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) and an excellent show it was... :) although you said the interaction 'tween the music and the video showing was a 'happy accident', it certainly seemed that you were improvising along (at times) with what was going on on the screen... like all good improv, you were reacting to the accidents, which, imo, is the meat and potatoes of improv... :) peace -cpr Quoting mark sottilaro : > I totally hear you! I just played my first live gig > in about 2 years and boy in hind sight I wish I'd have > had another month to prepare! I'd decided to create > new material for it and I believe that was part of my > mistake. On the bright side I got a bunch of new > stuff created and it's actually inspired me to drop > live improv and go for something that's closer to how > someone like Amy X or Andre Lafosse does live looping. > > Why? I realize that most of the shows I really walk > away from and enjoy are ones that are probably 80% > precomposed... so why aren't I making that kind of > music myself? I used to... many moons ago. I think > the freedom the JamMan/Sequencer gave me made me > really interested in this sort of totally improvised > music. Hell, it's really fun to do... but from the > perspective of the audience, do they care (and by > audience, I don't mean your other looping friends) I > just have realized that the more I plan out a piece > (usually by extensive studio improvisation) the better > the audience seems to recieve it. I partly realize > this because a friend of mine moved to the SF area and > we used to play together. I remember the shows we did > and the CD we put together and I realize that I've not > created anything like that since I left NY. I think > it's time to move back to that way of performing. > Hell, if anything, it sure is a lot easier! While the > trade off may be missing some of those happy > accidents, hopefully it will result in missing some of > those unhappy accidents too. > Mark > > --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > > I will be doing a looping show at Penny Lane Coffee > > house here in > > Boulder on Wednesday. It's been several years since > > I have done one, > > so it will be a challenge. Anyone who says you don't > > have rehearse > > improvisation is lying and improv with looping is > > even more > > challenging. My rig has changed so much from the > > last time I did one > > of these that half the battle will be reconfiguring > > it for > > improvisation, effects wise. > > I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as Penny > > Lane is closing > > next month and they have been a great venue for > > alternative > > performances (including many by Beat Poets back in > > the day). I also > > feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know most > > of you can't make > > it! > > > > Loop on! > > -- > > > > Edwin Hurwitz > > Boulder CO > > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > > Services > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 18:56:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1FD93BF71; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:00:09 -0700 Subject: Lovecraft and Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050614183954.81699.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <87158DF0-DD06-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <3bJiU.A.0XH.1hyrCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:56:53 +0000 (UTC) This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a great space) 4499 Piedmont Avenue Oakland California Thank you, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 19:45:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 951023BF75; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:45:20 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig thread-index: AcVxEHmN8SOZG9VwQ0aMAlmfijgKywACA/eA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2005 19:45:21.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[99A02EA0:01C57119] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Since I started looping and playing mostly improvisational, spontaneously composed performances, I don't practice or rehearse for them...I'm not lying. I find that it ruins the moment of improv. I like to enter the stage with my mind as clear as possible. My ears (knowing how to hear tonal centers, modulations, complex harmonies, keys, etc) and years of technique from playing jazz and progressive rock (reacting quickly and being able to play the guitar and express what I hear in my head with my eyes closed) do the rest for me. I just sit down, press the Record button on my EDP controller and play my heart out. I do the same thing when I play with my partner, a didjeridu player and percussionists. I just start playing, and he reacts....and visa versa. Taste + Technique + Listening are the only ingredients I need lately. =20 Krispen http://www.krispenhartung.com =20 --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > Anyone who says you don't have rehearse=20 > improvisation is lying and improv with looping is even more=20 > challenging. My rig has changed so much from the last time I did one=20 > of these that half the battle will be reconfiguring it for=20 > improvisation, effects wise. > I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as Penny Lane is closing=20 > next month and they have been a great venue for alternative=20 > performances (including many by Beat Poets back in the day). I also=20 > feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know most of you can't make=20 > it! >=20 > Loop on! > -- >=20 > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 19:48:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 544BB3BF74; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Lovecraft and Looping Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:47:57 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883FA@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lovecraft and Looping thread-index: AcVxEtebUK425YvmTSuRCLkw2M7MawABtPvQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2005 19:47:58.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6E4FB90:01C57119] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:12 +0000 (UTC) I wish I could be there, as I am an avid Lovecraft and Chululhu Mythos fan, and have even created a set of music videos and musid dedicated to this theme. =20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/lovecraft.htm Play your guts out, man. Will you be recording your performance? I'd love to hear it. What sort of gear are you usin to make the spooks? Cheers, Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lovecraft and Looping This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian).=20 Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a great space) 4499 Piedmont Avenue Oakland California Thank you, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 19:54:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE2103BF76; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Lovecraft and Looping Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:54:12 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088404@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lovecraft and Looping thread-index: AcVxEtebUK425YvmTSuRCLkw2M7MawAByaBQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2005 19:54:13.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6DBE1F0:01C5711A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:54:48 +0000 (UTC) By the way, are you a member of the Lovecraft music Yahoo discussion group? http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lovecraft_based_music/ Check out a reivew of my Lovecraft influenced DVD/Music by Italian Magazine Horror: http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ (that is a picture of a Vorticella, I shot with my USB microscope. Translation of the aricle is here: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/DVD.htm#revi ews I just watched the movie the Necronomicon: Book of the Dead the other night...wonderfully grotesque!:) =20 I would love to hear more Lovecraft based loop music. There is a lot of music inspired by HP, but not necessarily looped music.=20 Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lovecraft and Looping This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian).=20 Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a great space) 4499 Piedmont Avenue Oakland California Thank you, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 20:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 831873BF7E; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping In-Reply-To: <87158DF0-DD06-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Message-ID: References: <87158DF0-DD06-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:01:58 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Scott Drengsen wrote: > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to 8.30 > I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of "The > Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). Please stop by > if you like.It should be a great party. > > Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a great > space) > 4499 Piedmont Avenue > Oakland California > > Thank you, > Scott Scott, I wish I wasn't on the other coast or I'd be there. My copy of the book's on order and Lovecraft's been a long-time influence on me musically and otherwise (yes, that explains a lot, I know - go figure). Might crank up the gear and play otherworldly ambient loops in the southeast US at the same time in resonance :). best, Steve B Phasmatodea, Subscape Annex, Fukadugalon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 20:28:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA483BF7B; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050614202830.35090.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1118774580.42af2534dd9b1@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the kind words! I was trying to interact with the video when I could... again probably something that might work better if I was part of an ensamble and not a one man band. Perhaps what I'm saying is that it's hard to improvise when I'm the only one responsible for all the sound at any given point. In a perfect world I'd like to have been able to see the screen most of the time, but I felt (as usual) that I was mostly attending to some device/instrument. I think the point that made me think of this was when out of the blue, my KAOSS pad.. started living up to it's namesake and producing chaos! Although I had it set NOT to transmit any MIDI (just pass clock) it randomly started to transmit program changes to the next device in line which happened to by my BOSS VF-1. It took me a few seconds to realize what was happening and then I was kind of lost... couldn't get back in the groove for a bit. There always seems to be those moments in my shows. Sometimes you can use them, sometimes they totally break your mood. Maybe I'm just not good at recovery any more. This reminds me of my friend Randy Clark's old band "Jaws." Great progressive rock band out of Ithaca, NY. Anyway, after the first time I saw them I was under the impression that a lot of their music was improvised. I started taking lessons from Randy at one point, and he showed me the sheet music for one of the pieces I always thought was improvised. He told me that there was a little room for improvising in each solo, but most of the music was precomposed. In hindsight, this makes sense. Their music was pretty complex. So, while I'm not ever going to remove improvising from my shows/music, I think it's time to take my loops in a different direction and see what happens. Who knows? I may end up hating it and run right back. Mark --- cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > and an excellent show it was... :) although you said > the interaction 'tween the > music and the video showing was a 'happy accident', > it certainly seemed that > you were improvising along (at times) with what was > going on on the screen... > like all good improv, you were reacting to the > accidents, which, imo, is the > meat and potatoes of improv... :) > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting mark sottilaro > : > > > I totally hear you! I just played my first live > gig > > in about 2 years and boy in hind sight I wish I'd > have > > had another month to prepare! I'd decided to > create > > new material for it and I believe that was part of > my > > mistake. On the bright side I got a bunch of new > > stuff created and it's actually inspired me to > drop > > live improv and go for something that's closer to > how > > someone like Amy X or Andre Lafosse does live > looping. > > > > Why? I realize that most of the shows I really > walk > > away from and enjoy are ones that are probably 80% > > precomposed... so why aren't I making that kind of > > music myself? I used to... many moons ago. I > think > > the freedom the JamMan/Sequencer gave me made me > > really interested in this sort of totally > improvised > > music. Hell, it's really fun to do... but from > the > > perspective of the audience, do they care (and by > > audience, I don't mean your other looping friends) > I > > just have realized that the more I plan out a > piece > > (usually by extensive studio improvisation) the > better > > the audience seems to recieve it. I partly > realize > > this because a friend of mine moved to the SF area > and > > we used to play together. I remember the shows we > did > > and the CD we put together and I realize that I've > not > > created anything like that since I left NY. I > think > > it's time to move back to that way of performing. > > Hell, if anything, it sure is a lot easier! While > the > > trade off may be missing some of those happy > > accidents, hopefully it will result in missing > some of > > those unhappy accidents too. > > Mark > > > > --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > > > > I will be doing a looping show at Penny Lane > Coffee > > > house here in > > > Boulder on Wednesday. It's been several years > since > > > I have done one, > > > so it will be a challenge. Anyone who says you > don't > > > have rehearse > > > improvisation is lying and improv with looping > is > > > even more > > > challenging. My rig has changed so much from the > > > last time I did one > > > of these that half the battle will be > reconfiguring > > > it for > > > improvisation, effects wise. > > > I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as > Penny > > > Lane is closing > > > next month and they have been a great venue for > > > alternative > > > performances (including many by Beat Poets back > in > > > the day). I also > > > feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know > most > > > of you can't make > > > it! > > > > > > Loop on! > > > -- > > > > > > Edwin Hurwitz > > > Boulder CO > > > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > > > Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet > Messaging Program. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 20:35:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3F523BF72; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <67331B7B-57AA-4B38-87A2-881F2002A5E3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:25:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 14, 2005, at 21:45, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Since I started looping and playing mostly improvisational, > spontaneously composed performances, I don't practice or rehearse for > them... That's interesting! I guess it depends on what you actually read into the word "practicing"? I like to practice very much, almost all my waking time, but more in the essence of "preparing". Sometimes the best preparation is to isolate oneself from any music at all and try not to hear music in your head all the time. Very difficult, but if you only succeed half ways it will pay you back enormously when you finally pick up an instrument to improvise. Sometimes I play a lot as preparation, but use a different instrument than I will be performing with. Or I play a different musical style. One of the greatest advices I have ever been given was to never ever practice "the easy way"; When you do a mistake during practice, take it seriously. You have to do mistakes to avoid them or turn them into something good. Do not make a difference between "practicing" and performing! (By "mistake" I'm not talking about a sloppy note here and there, merely the attitude of being lazy, delivering a fad expression which leads to not feeling inspired by your own playing). Before given that advice I did not improve much (musically) by practicing. I'm glad things have changed now. But in a shorter perspective - like the last five to ten minutes before you will perform - it may be a good thing to fool around a little with the instrument without actually playing anything. Just letting your body melt into the instrument while emptying/focusing your mind. I'm very interested in mental attitudes concerning performing and practicing, since it seems to play a very big part for what comes out as music. I would be delighted to read what others think and what you are using for tricks to get it right. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 21:03:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5B893BF74; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:06:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883FA@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <2BB935BF-DD18-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <_J-2zC.A.DVG.GY0rCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Wow Kris , Beautiful and deep.. Recording the Gig is a good idea. The Chapel Is a very inspiring space with amazing cavernous reverb . If I can find someone to help out I probably will . My 12 string was a little bright for how I'm feeling Lovecraft , so I'll be playing the same bass I had at Y2K4 (Thumper,my 6 string fretless) through a Raven Labs preamp , my Eclipse , 2 EDPs and a DL-4. PEACE Scott Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > I wish I could be there, as I am an avid Lovecraft and Chululhu Mythos > fan, and have even created a set of music videos and musid dedicated to > this theme. > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/lovecraft.htm > > Play your guts out, man. Will you be recording your performance? I'd > love to hear it. What sort of gear are you usin to make the spooks? > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Lovecraft and Looping > > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to > 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of > "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). > Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. > > Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a > great > space) > 4499 Piedmont Avenue > Oakland California > > Thank you, > Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 21:14:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9443BF6C; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:17:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088404@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:14:25 +0000 (UTC) No, this is exciting and new to me . I contributed some to the soundtrack of an animated version of the "Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath" and that was my introduction to Lovecraft. While researching the soundtrack I met the Lexicon Author. Scott On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > By the way, are you a member of the Lovecraft music Yahoo discussion > group? > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lovecraft_based_music/ > > Check out a reivew of my Lovecraft influenced DVD/Music by Italian > Magazine Horror: > > http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ (that is a picture of a > Vorticella, I shot with my USB microscope. Translation of the aricle is > here: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > DVD.htm#revi > ews > > I just watched the movie the Necronomicon: Book of the Dead the other > night...wonderfully grotesque!:) > > I would love to hear more Lovecraft based loop music. There is a lot of > music inspired by HP, but not necessarily looped music. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Lovecraft and Looping > > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to > 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of > "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). > Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. > > Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a > great > space) > 4499 Piedmont Avenue > Oakland California > > Thank you, > Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 21:18:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828B63BF79; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:21:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <47C9A9D2-DD1A-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Thats sounds wonderful ! Just the sort of morphic/psychic experiment I love..Thanks for the support and I'll make sure I listen to your music Afterwards to see how you influenced me! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 01:03 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Scott Drengsen wrote: > >> This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to >> 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of >> "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). >> Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. >> >> Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a >> great space) >> 4499 Piedmont Avenue >> Oakland California >> >> Thank you, >> Scott > > Scott, I wish I wasn't on the other coast or I'd be there. My copy of > the book's on order and Lovecraft's been a long-time influence on me > musically and otherwise (yes, that explains a lot, I know - go > figure). Might crank up the gear and play otherworldly ambient loops > in the southeast US at the same time in resonance :). > > best, > Steve B Phasmatodea, Subscape Annex, Fukadugalon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 21:18:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C853BF80; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:17:32 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0108844D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) thread-index: AcVxIK+d27uvQw5nQEyu/eKNJVzPNgAAZidw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2005 21:17:34.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B40D6F0:01C57126] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:18:08 +0000 (UTC) =20 On Jun 14, 2005, at 21:45, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Since I started looping and playing mostly improvisational,=20 > spontaneously composed performances, I don't practice or rehearse for=20 > them... >> That's interesting! I guess it depends on what you actually read into = the word "practicing"? I like to practice very much, almost all my = waking time, but more in the essence of "preparing".=20 Definitely different than my approach. The only time I play my = instrument is if I have a new piece of gear and I'm trying to work out = new sounds...that forces me to play my instrument. One reason why I = don't practice anymore (I say "anymore" because 8 years ago I practiced = hours a day) is that my technical ability from playing jazz and = progressive rock all those years has surpassed my improviational = learning curve. I can play scales and arpeggios and rudimentary = exercises at speeds I would never used in an improv context until the = end of time, but they don't improve my improv ability. What improves my = improv ability is to make my mind a blank slate (as much as this is = possible) and simply perform or record. And I know my fretboard well = enoug that I can turn the lights off and express myself emotionally on = the fretboard. For instance, on my debut solo CD "Places", I simply sat = down and started improvising. About 50% of the pieces that I finished in = one take made it on the CD. The rest I threw aside...I guess you could = have called that practice material! :) But in the strict sense of = sitting down and practicing as in playing the rudiments - scales, = arpeggios, runs, phrases, chordal progressions....I never do it. I only = play my instrument if it's a performance or something that I would hope = to make it on my next CD. So, you are right, the word "practice" is sort = of ambiguous. I practice if you call working on a CD or performing = practicing...I don't practice if you mean sitting down and working on = scales, reading charts, technique, etc. When I was playing jazz = standards with combos, I HAD TO practice. I sat down and read charts for = the tunes, memorized the heads and chord progressions, and practiced = soloing over the changes (if I had the tune on Abersold's CDs).=20 >> Sometimes the best preparation is to isolate oneself from any music = at all and try not to hear music in your head all the time.=20 So true. On a related note, I once read an interview where someone asked = Robert Fripp if he had heard one of his peer's new CDs. His response was = that he never listened to other musicians' music while he was working on = his own CD, especially musicians he admired, because he was afraid it = would influence his work.=20 >> Very difficult, but if you only succeed half ways it will pay you = back enormously when you finally pick up an instrument to improvise.=20 Yes! It's like discovering your instrument for the firt time, but your = fingers and brain already know how to play it and play what you hear in = your head miliseconds beforehand. > Sometimes I play a lot as preparation, but use a different instrument = than I will be performing with. Or I play a different musical style. One = of the greatest advices I have ever been given was to never ever = practice "the easy way"; When you do a mistake during practice, take it = seriously. You have to do mistakes to avoid them or turn them into = something good. =20 I believe Miles David once said that if you're not making mistakes, then = you're not playing jazz...or something like that. I like to play off my = mistakes during performance. For instance, if I'm playing a run or = phrase that is totally diantonic, and I hit an outside note that is = non-intentional, I use it again as a platform to play outside of the = tonal center. > Do not make a difference between "practicing" and performing! (By = "mistake" I'm not talking about a sloppy note here and there, merely the = attitude of being lazy, delivering a fad expression which leads to not = feeling inspired by your own playing). Before given that advice I did = not improve much (musically) by practicing. I'm glad things have changed = now. It is easy to become a cover musician of your own cliches. This is part = of that laziness of which you speak. Again, back to Miles Davis, he once = berated a sax player on stage because he played a lick he had played the = other night...guesss that pissed Miles off, because he said that wasn't = improvising. It is re-inventing yourself....become Nietsche's = "Ubermensch" of music, constantly overcoming oneself...easier said than = done of course, but I get your drift. > But in a shorter perspective - like the last five to ten minutes = before you will perform - it may be a good thing to fool around a little = with the instrument without actually playing anything. Just letting your = body melt into the instrument while emptying/focusing your mind. Good point, especially for guitarists who play more than one = guitar...fretboards vary, etc. > I'm very interested in mental attitudes concerning performing and = practicing, since it seems to play a very big part for what comes out as = music. I would be delighted to read what others think and what you are = using for tricks to get it right. Generally my attitude is one of concentrating on taking risks and = playing something other than myself. I can tell when I play something = that I've played before - a phrase, run, clich=E9, progressions, etc - = and it pisses me off on stage. I feel ashamed because I know I can do = better. So I focus my attitude on runnning into the unknown blackness of = creativity....sometimes my brain will produce something that sounds = random and chaotic when I do this, but I learn from it, piece it a part = and throw the good stuff I my bag of tricks. Sometines I just close my = eyes and place my index finger on some random place on the guitar = fretboard and say to myself, okay....this note sets the stage..,what are = you going to do now? I'll start on the first fret by accident and end up = at the 24th fret, like a spider creaping up a ladder, creating twisting = and new melodies. Playing the box pentatonic scales, same old minor and = major scales that you see in thousands of books....screw that. That's = aint improvising in my book. Any fool can do that in his sleep because = it is all finger memory. Create new scales that you;ve never played = before, on state...force your fingers to stretch and synthesize a chord = you won't find in any book...these are thing I like to do. That song = "Place" on my CD "Places" you have...the first part and unlooped section = was like this...I just let my fingers flow. I couldn't reproduce that = piece now if you asked me too. It came, and it's gone like the wind.=20 Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 21:21:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1354E3BF83; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Lovecraft and Looping Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:21:20 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088450@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lovecraft and Looping thread-index: AcVxJg4VYSJICKgzTiyG5uxPkzJbZwAAMhJw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2005 21:21:21.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[02B9C740:01C57127] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:21:43 +0000 (UTC) When you join, be sure to upload one of your Lovecraft inspired songs in the files section. There are only 5 or so there now. They need more! Add something really creepy, man...something that will give us shivers down our spines and make us want to vomit (in a good way, of course). :) Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping No, this is exciting and new to me . I contributed some to the soundtrack of an animated version of the "Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath" and that was my introduction to Lovecraft. While researching the soundtrack I met the Lexicon Author. Scott On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > By the way, are you a member of the Lovecraft music Yahoo discussion=20 > group? > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lovecraft_based_music/ > > Check out a reivew of my Lovecraft influenced DVD/Music by Italian=20 > Magazine Horror: > > http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ (that is a picture of a=20 > Vorticella, I shot with my USB microscope. Translation of the aricle=20 > is > here: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > DVD.htm#revi > ews > > I just watched the movie the Necronomicon: Book of the Dead the other=20 > night...wonderfully grotesque!:) > > I would love to hear more Lovecraft based loop music. There is a lot=20 > of music inspired by HP, but not necessarily looped music. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Lovecraft and Looping > > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to=20 > 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of=20 > "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). > Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. > > Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a=20 > great > space) > 4499 Piedmont Avenue > Oakland California > > Thank you, > Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 21:24:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8F303BF8B; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ekmiXfV2vNs9DPXnKFSPjmxGY4FaN5DdDIWCjO4Lb4nE8REuDQvkEJtXAmRtbwX/oPJa8hxmG2Hemh8jnyZBB+7VbrWbJqEgdBj9VfDaf5RlCDeTtYpW2UeTHuSlBPbS6/DjPfCRgggwJ4v01ZQ0m4ffgVBto8qKKVaq1xx+k3s= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:24:41 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088450@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088450@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:24:42 +0000 (UTC) I remember one of the old Digitech processors had a preset called "Lovecraft" which was a lot of fun... On 6/14/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > When you join, be sure to upload one of your Lovecraft inspired songs in > the files section. There are only 5 or so there now. They need more! Add > something really creepy, man...something that will give us shivers down > our spines and make us want to vomit (in a good way, of course). :) >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping >=20 > No, this is exciting and new to me . I contributed some to the > soundtrack of an animated version of the "Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath" >=20 > and that was my introduction to Lovecraft. While researching the > soundtrack I met the Lexicon Author. > Scott > On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: >=20 > > By the way, are you a member of the Lovecraft music Yahoo discussion > > group? > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lovecraft_based_music/ > > > > Check out a reivew of my Lovecraft influenced DVD/Music by Italian > > Magazine Horror: > > > > http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ (that is a picture of a > > Vorticella, I shot with my USB microscope. Translation of the aricle > > is > > here: > > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > > DVD.htm#revi > > ews > > > > I just watched the movie the Necronomicon: Book of the Dead the other > > night...wonderfully grotesque!:) > > > > I would love to hear more Lovecraft based loop music. There is a lot > > of music inspired by HP, but not necessarily looped music. > > > > Kris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Lovecraft and Looping > > > > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to > > 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of > > "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). > > Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. > > > > Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a > > great > > space) > > 4499 Piedmont Avenue > > Oakland California > > > > Thank you, > > Scott > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 21:36:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8353BF85; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Lovecraft and Looping Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:36:08 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088460@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lovecraft and Looping thread-index: AcVxJ4W1FslNRCnrTxagioGlBSpxlwAAMEyA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2005 21:36:10.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[14A93B00:01C57129] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:36:14 +0000 (UTC) No kidding? That's funny. I have a song on my CD "Places" called Lovecraft Resurrected. I created a preset on my VH1 called Lovecraft too. I'd love to hear the digitech patch. Here's my patch... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000212BRC001011/1/104-92361 91-0849566 It's the deep pig-like synth patch in the background. I should have called it the Horrific Pig Patch. A big, giant greasy Lovecraft made hog, with horns, tenticles coming out of it's mouth, and dragon wings (sort of like the offspring of Chlulthu and Charlotte the pig). :)=20 Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping I remember one of the old Digitech processors had a preset called "Lovecraft" which was a lot of fun... On 6/14/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > When you join, be sure to upload one of your Lovecraft inspired songs=20 > in the files section. There are only 5 or so there now. They need=20 > more! Add something really creepy, man...something that will give us=20 > shivers down our spines and make us want to vomit (in a good way, of=20 > course). :) >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping >=20 > No, this is exciting and new to me . I contributed some to the=20 > soundtrack of an animated version of the "Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath" >=20 > and that was my introduction to Lovecraft. While researching the=20 > soundtrack I met the Lexicon Author. > Scott > On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: >=20 > > By the way, are you a member of the Lovecraft music Yahoo discussion > > group? > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lovecraft_based_music/ > > > > Check out a reivew of my Lovecraft influenced DVD/Music by Italian=20 > > Magazine Horror: > > > > http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ (that is a picture of a=20 > > Vorticella, I shot with my USB microscope. Translation of the aricle > > is > > here: > > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > > DVD.htm#revi > > ews > > > > I just watched the movie the Necronomicon: Book of the Dead the=20 > > other night...wonderfully grotesque!:) > > > > I would love to hear more Lovecraft based loop music. There is a lot > > of music inspired by HP, but not necessarily looped music. > > > > Kris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Lovecraft and Looping > > > > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30=20 > > to 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the=20 > > release of "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). > > Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. > > > > Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a=20 > > great > > space) > > 4499 Piedmont Avenue > > Oakland California > > > > Thank you, > > Scott > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 22:29:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E82C43BF72; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:52:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <-2MOiD.A.YzC.so1rCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:29:00 +0000 (UTC) I think that we are agreeing here. You've built up technique and vocabulary over the years that stands you in good stead when you need to empty your brain. If you never did any of it, you would be so caught up in the mundane details that you wouldn't be able to spontaneously create. I think this affects each of the elements of your equation. I certainly think that trying to recreate spontaneous moments is a complete waste of time. The practice is in the process rather than the results. Where I have let myself go is in improvising with the electronics, so it will be interesting. Even having a sense of the wiring is a challenge, given that I want to be able to effect loops and loop effects, etc. Edwin >Since I started looping and playing mostly improvisational, >spontaneously composed performances, I don't practice or rehearse for >them...I'm not lying. I find that it ruins the moment of improv. I like >to enter the stage with my mind as clear as possible. My ears (knowing >how to hear tonal centers, modulations, complex harmonies, keys, etc) >and years of technique from playing jazz and progressive rock (reacting >quickly and being able to play the guitar and express what I hear in my >head with my eyes closed) do the rest for me. I just sit down, press the >Record button on my EDP controller and play my heart out. I do the same >thing when I play with my partner, a didjeridu player and >percussionists. I just start playing, and he reacts....and visa versa. >Taste + Technique + Listening are the only ingredients I need lately. > >Krispen >http://www.krispenhartung.com > > > >--- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > >> Anyone who says you don't have rehearse >> improvisation is lying and improv with looping is even more >> challenging. My rig has changed so much from the last time I did one >> of these that half the battle will be reconfiguring it for >> improvisation, effects wise. >> I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as Penny Lane is closing >> next month and they have been a great venue for alternative >> performances (including many by Beat Poets back in the day). I also >> feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know most of you can't make >> it! >> >> Loop on! > > -- > > -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 22:29:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DA0F3BF7F; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <67331B7B-57AA-4B38-87A2-881F2002A5E3@boysen.se> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <67331B7B-57AA-4B38-87A2-881F2002A5E3@boysen.se> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:57:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <4ntyhC.A.G1C.to1rCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:29:01 +0000 (UTC) >But in a shorter perspective - like the last five to ten minutes >before you will perform - it may be a good thing to fool around a >little with the instrument without actually playing anything. Just >letting your body melt into the instrument while emptying/focusing >your mind. > >I'm very interested in mental attitudes concerning performing and >practicing, since it seems to play a very big part for what comes >out as music. I would be delighted to read what others think and >what you are using for tricks to get it right. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen This is interesting to me as well. Most of the time I am a bass player, so it's obvious to me how to get warmed up, practice, be prepared, etc. When I do looping, being a bass player is almost irrelevant, as the electronics become the instrument, so it's a completely different mindset. The fact that the sound may originate from a bass is not part of the equation and certainly all my bass skills have little to do with the music being made. In fact, if the sound is recognizable as a bass, I feel that I have failed somewhat. I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and bloops? Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 23:06:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFFAA3BF56; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nsjwfK89Sws9YFV9A6ii1H78Eugq50h56V5gXRob9t0F9KrBgXFmbUqqvjw1g/+lE9BrER5lB35MWBm9if2CSL1ekBHLoQqKgxwnyaAl1e/h9uwce7mRysBGFvccd4VDYZ8g8FDdQHddDw5mO3rzHah3uisWy7HA4FbGnXcZ1x8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:06:08 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Playing in NYC area Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <6XlKyD.A.AIE.hL2rCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:06:09 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for suitable venues for solo acoustic guitar looping gigs in the NYC area around the third week of August. Looper's of the Big Apple, feel free to contact me off-list with suggestions. Thanks! Travis Hartnett www.travishartnett.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 23:12:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 107B53BF6D; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:12:16 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088487@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig thread-index: AcVxMHn58I0QDYH7S62Az4ENyIKZjAAAybmQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2005 23:12:17.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[82296210:01C57136] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Oh yes, the wiring and electronics...the blasted, and freakin' bloody electronics. Improvising with a jazz combo over the changes for Stella by Starlight or All the Things You Are was so much more easier than improvising with a shit load of electronic gear and gadgets....with my rack/laptop hybrid setup....knobs to tweak, buttons to push, mouse to click to activate and deactivate VST effects, volume pedal, expression pedal, heaping rats' nests of wiring protruding out of my rack to my PA, mixer board, and computer like tenticles from one of HP Lovecraft's grotesque monsters...it's a bloody nightmare, I tell ya. =20 ...but I love it, the nightmare that is. I love to torture myself with the insanity of tone mangling electronics. It's escapism, egoism, and deception all wrapped up into a nice all-to-pretty package. =20 Yet, sometimes there is beauty in removing the security blanket of electronic effects, the fancy dressing around the window pane through which we see/hear just the notes, the gist that has made music "music" for the last few thousand years. Once in a while I like to plug my acoustic guitar into just my EDP and see what happens with the simplicity of that one set of tones and timbres. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hurwitz [mailto:edwin@indra.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig I think that we are agreeing here. You've built up technique and vocabulary over the years that stands you in good stead when you need to empty your brain. If you never did any of it, you would be so caught up in the mundane details that you wouldn't be able to spontaneously create. I think this affects each of the elements of your equation. I certainly think that trying to recreate spontaneous moments is a complete waste of time. The practice is in the process rather than the results. Where I have let myself go is in improvising with the electronics, so it will be interesting. Even having a sense of the wiring is a challenge, given that I want to be able to effect loops and loop effects, etc. Edwin >Since I started looping and playing mostly improvisational,=20 >spontaneously composed performances, I don't practice or rehearse for=20 >them...I'm not lying. I find that it ruins the moment of improv. I=20 >like to enter the stage with my mind as clear as possible. My ears=20 >(knowing how to hear tonal centers, modulations, complex harmonies,=20 >keys, etc) and years of technique from playing jazz and progressive=20 >rock (reacting quickly and being able to play the guitar and express=20 >what I hear in my head with my eyes closed) do the rest for me. I just=20 >sit down, press the Record button on my EDP controller and play my=20 >heart out. I do the same thing when I play with my partner, a didjeridu >player and percussionists. I just start playing, and he reacts....and visa versa. >Taste + Technique + Listening are the only ingredients I need lately.=20 > >Krispen >http://www.krispenhartung.com > > > >--- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > >> Anyone who says you don't have rehearse improvisation is lying and=20 >> improv with looping is even more challenging. My rig has changed so=20 >> much from the last time I did one of these that half the battle will >> be reconfiguring it for improvisation, effects wise. >> I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as Penny Lane is closing >> next month and they have been a great venue for alternative =20 >> performances (including many by Beat Poets back in the day). I also =20 >> feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know most of you can't make >> it! >> >> Loop on! > > -- > > --=20 Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 23:22:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE6383BF71; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lc5bR2FMfKH4z1S+is4rLfUjV/xRujmqj8JmA4+7Hz2i/Yzow/T7/M6ok2xL/W/OXPqjMVMI3CJWhUUDlMBT86n9B603VWVuwN3cVCFVue2RrARnpqeKnui9HItmBr8O2hpYOpdyks5AKjRJva/eO7u7dT1BMeYHOvSgzLN49OM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:22:49 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <67331B7B-57AA-4B38-87A2-881F2002A5E3@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:22:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm over in the "conventional" camp myself. For the last few years I've had a working rule against using effects (other than reverb) on my solo acoustic guitar looping gigs, I have lots of recognizable pieces I can perform from gig to gig, and I avoid all the EDP tricks a la Andre. Occaisionally I'll throw in some reversed parts on a loop, but that's about it. My idea was to stretch my ability to make music just by "playing notes" instead of taking advantage of all the sound-processing abilities I'd made use of in my electric guitar work. TravisH > This is interesting to me as well. Most of the time I am a bass > player, so it's obvious to me how to get warmed up, practice, be > prepared, etc. When I do looping, being a bass player is almost > irrelevant, as the electronics become the instrument, so it's a > completely different mindset. The fact that the sound may originate > from a bass is not part of the equation and certainly all my bass > skills have little to do with the music being made. In fact, if the > sound is recognizable as a bass, I feel that I have failed somewhat. >=20 >=20 > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more > "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and > bloops? >=20 >=20 > Edwin > -- >=20 > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 14 23:56:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4687B3BF6C; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.52cd3260.2fe0c891@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:56:01 EDT Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15d.52cd3260.2fe0c891_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:56:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_15d.52cd3260.2fe0c891_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy Per, et al, In a message dated 06/14/05 13:36:12, per@boysen.se writes: > I'm very interested in mental attitudes concerning performing and=A0 > practicing, since it seems to play a very big part for what comes=20 > out=A0as music. I would be delighted to read what others think and=20 > what you=A0are using for tricks to get it right. >=20 Me too. That's where I seem to fall down most of the time. Keeping the=20 physical part of the equation (hands mostly) prepared and in good practice i= s not a=20 problem. Where I continually fall down is the mental side and I know it all=20 too painfully well. I can go for months and not even touch an instrument and= =20 still regain my full "chops" in a couple of days of remedial woodshedding. My very best experiences when playing have basically been when 4 ingredients= =20 are present: 1. My instrument is in tune and all of the gear is set up, tested and=20 working. 2. I am physically well-rested and healthy. 3. I come to the gig with few preconceived notions or expectations other tha= n=20 perhaps the vaguest of strategies for passing the time and having fun doing=20 it. 4. I can calm myself and empty mind of everything else but the sounds I'm=20 creating, hearing and responding to -- playing almost instinctually, like a=20 cockroach moving it's legs to run without even thinking when it senses vibra= tion. When I begin to totally suck it's hardly ever from the physical side or lack= =20 of actual practice, it's usually because I've come with a subconscious agend= a=20 or worry and I'm thinking about things other than the music itself.=20 I'm easily distracted too. Sometimes all is humming along perfectly well and= =20 moments before the first note is played someone makes a stray comment or=20 there's some minor stage mix-up or faux pas . . . or some bit of gear craps=20= out or=20 hiccups and I lose my focus.=20 Anxiety about how to keep from breaking that mental-emotional-spiritual=20 "bubble" can be a distraction too. It's like worrying about worrying because= =20 worrying may give you an ulcer.=20 I'd appreciate any stories, strategies or suggestions that the rest of you=20 have to offer. I feel like I've had to resign myself to a more-or-less 50/50= =20 hit-and-miss, spotty performance experience for years now. If I could tilt t= he=20 prospects of success to the positive by as little as 10% it'd seem a minor=20 miracle. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_15d.52cd3260.2fe0c891_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy Per, et al,

In a message dated 06/14/05 13:36:12, per@boysen.se writes:

I'm very interested in= mental attitudes concerning performing and=A0
practicing, since it seems to play a very big part for what comes
out=A0as music. I would be delighted to read what others think and =
what you=A0are using for tricks to get it right.

Me too. That's where I seem to fall down most of the time. Keeping the physi= cal part of the equation (hands mostly) prepared and in good practice is not= a problem. Where I continually fall down is the mental side and I know it a= ll too painfully well. I can go for months and not even touch an instrument=20= and still regain my full "chops" in a couple of days of remedial woodsheddin= g.

My very best experiences when playing have basically been when 4 ingredients= are present:

1. My instrument is in tune and all of the gear is set up, tested and workin= g.

2. I am physically well-rested and healthy.

3. I come to the gig with few preconceived notions or expectations other tha= n perhaps the vaguest of strategies for passing the time and having fun doin= g it.

4. I can calm myself and empty mind of everything else but the sounds I'm cr= eating, hearing and responding to -- playing almost instinctually, like a co= ckroach moving it's legs to run without even thinking when it senses vibrati= on.

When I begin to totally suck it's hardly ever from the physical side or lack= of actual practice, it's usually because I've come with a subconscious agen= da or worry and I'm thinking about things other than the music itself.

I'm easily distracted too. Sometimes all is humming along perfectly well and= moments before the first note is played someone makes a stray comment or th= ere's some minor stage mix-up or faux pas . . . or some bit of gear craps ou= t or hiccups and I lose my focus.

Anxiety about how to keep from breaking that mental-emotional-spiritual "bub= ble" can be a distraction too. It's like worrying about worrying because wor= rying may give you an ulcer.

I'd appreciate any stories, strategies or suggestions that the rest of you h= ave to offer. I feel like I've had to resign myself to a more-or-less 50/50=20= hit-and-miss, spotty performance experience for years now. If I could tilt t= he prospects of success to the positive by as little as 10% it'd seem a mino= r miracle.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_15d.52cd3260.2fe0c891_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 01:48:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A25303BF70; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:48:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050614202830.35090.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, Thanks again for making it down to Santa Cruz to play for the Second Sunday Series. I enjoyed both the music and the visuals, great beats and fat synth tones. You know, when you improve with loops and midi clock, sometimes the machines do take over!!!!! I am an advocate for a good midi patch bay, but sometimes that doesn't even help. Kudos to your friends from helping out and adding visuals to our set. I enjoyed playing to the dolphins. I felt like I was scoring an episode of Wild Kingdom! I think I got your whole set on mini disc if you want to hear it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig Thanks for the kind words! I was trying to interact with the video when I could... again probably something that might work better if I was part of an ensamble and not a one man band. Perhaps what I'm saying is that it's hard to improvise when I'm the only one responsible for all the sound at any given point. In a perfect world I'd like to have been able to see the screen most of the time, but I felt (as usual) that I was mostly attending to some device/instrument. I think the point that made me think of this was when out of the blue, my KAOSS pad.. started living up to it's namesake and producing chaos! Although I had it set NOT to transmit any MIDI (just pass clock) it randomly started to transmit program changes to the next device in line which happened to by my BOSS VF-1. It took me a few seconds to realize what was happening and then I was kind of lost... couldn't get back in the groove for a bit. There always seems to be those moments in my shows. Sometimes you can use them, sometimes they totally break your mood. Maybe I'm just not good at recovery any more. This reminds me of my friend Randy Clark's old band "Jaws." Great progressive rock band out of Ithaca, NY. Anyway, after the first time I saw them I was under the impression that a lot of their music was improvised. I started taking lessons from Randy at one point, and he showed me the sheet music for one of the pieces I always thought was improvised. He told me that there was a little room for improvising in each solo, but most of the music was precomposed. In hindsight, this makes sense. Their music was pretty complex. So, while I'm not ever going to remove improvising from my shows/music, I think it's time to take my loops in a different direction and see what happens. Who knows? I may end up hating it and run right back. Mark --- cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > and an excellent show it was... :) although you said > the interaction 'tween the > music and the video showing was a 'happy accident', > it certainly seemed that > you were improvising along (at times) with what was > going on on the screen... > like all good improv, you were reacting to the > accidents, which, imo, is the > meat and potatoes of improv... :) > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting mark sottilaro > : > > > I totally hear you! I just played my first live > gig > > in about 2 years and boy in hind sight I wish I'd > have > > had another month to prepare! I'd decided to > create > > new material for it and I believe that was part of > my > > mistake. On the bright side I got a bunch of new > > stuff created and it's actually inspired me to > drop > > live improv and go for something that's closer to > how > > someone like Amy X or Andre Lafosse does live > looping. > > > > Why? I realize that most of the shows I really > walk > > away from and enjoy are ones that are probably 80% > > precomposed... so why aren't I making that kind of > > music myself? I used to... many moons ago. I > think > > the freedom the JamMan/Sequencer gave me made me > > really interested in this sort of totally > improvised > > music. Hell, it's really fun to do... but from > the > > perspective of the audience, do they care (and by > > audience, I don't mean your other looping friends) > I > > just have realized that the more I plan out a > piece > > (usually by extensive studio improvisation) the > better > > the audience seems to recieve it. I partly > realize > > this because a friend of mine moved to the SF area > and > > we used to play together. I remember the shows we > did > > and the CD we put together and I realize that I've > not > > created anything like that since I left NY. I > think > > it's time to move back to that way of performing. > > Hell, if anything, it sure is a lot easier! While > the > > trade off may be missing some of those happy > > accidents, hopefully it will result in missing > some of > > those unhappy accidents too. > > Mark > > > > --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > > > > I will be doing a looping show at Penny Lane > Coffee > > > house here in > > > Boulder on Wednesday. It's been several years > since > > > I have done one, > > > so it will be a challenge. Anyone who says you > don't > > > have rehearse > > > improvisation is lying and improv with looping > is > > > even more > > > challenging. My rig has changed so much from the > > > last time I did one > > > of these that half the battle will be > reconfiguring > > > it for > > > improvisation, effects wise. > > > I felt I had to do it, unprepared as I am, as > Penny > > > Lane is closing > > > next month and they have been a great venue for > > > alternative > > > performances (including many by Beat Poets back > in > > > the day). I also > > > feel pretty safe in announcing this as I know > most > > > of you can't make > > > it! > > > > > > Loop on! > > > -- > > > > > > Edwin Hurwitz > > > Boulder CO > > > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > > > Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet > Messaging Program. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 02:10:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E67B53BF71; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3gNdjICkVPAwslZeFw0o5yckJaaIWaZ9IlEZx2ELesWbe8aWRz5C7Edv8Sglj9buWLCWV0F6TuYHDAgMOzcj46afH7op5eKVw/HD0c0Lth76vJSEWx15K8pPPhpecYrmqAp0J+/0R6/zhICLie2KDYhEBMY6qq9nDEdNtnYunZ8= ; Message-ID: <20050615021017.94660.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15d.52cd3260.2fe0c891@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:10:17 +0000 (UTC) What stresses me personally at a gig is not being prepared.When i started looping live i use to get really tense because i wasnt used to playing alone and having people focusing their attention on me,being used to bands situations.Another factor that was that i didnt have fixed compositions and with looping i find it kind of hard to practice something fixed or premeditated arrangements, plus dealing with so much gear vulnerable to malfunction.I rarely get nervous before a gig nowdays but every now and then i do.I like to find a corner a few minutes before a performance and meditate a bit, or try to see a positive picture of a show.Aditionally a good cold beer makes me chillout as well:-) Luis --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Howdy Per, et al, > > In a message dated 06/14/05 13:36:12, per@boysen.se > writes: > > > I'm very interested in mental attitudes concerning > performing and  > > practicing, since it seems to play a very big part > for what comes > > out as music. I would be delighted to read what > others think and > > what you are using for tricks to get it right. > > > Me too. That's where I seem to fall down most of the > time. Keeping the > physical part of the equation (hands mostly) > prepared and in good practice is not a > problem. Where I continually fall down is the mental > side and I know it all > too painfully well. I can go for months and not even > touch an instrument and > still regain my full "chops" in a couple of days of > remedial woodshedding. > > My very best experiences when playing have basically > been when 4 ingredients > are present: > > 1. My instrument is in tune and all of the gear is > set up, tested and > working. > > 2. I am physically well-rested and healthy. > > 3. I come to the gig with few preconceived notions > or expectations other than > perhaps the vaguest of strategies for passing the > time and having fun doing > it. > > 4. I can calm myself and empty mind of everything > else but the sounds I'm > creating, hearing and responding to -- playing > almost instinctually, like a > cockroach moving it's legs to run without even > thinking when it senses vibration. > > When I begin to totally suck it's hardly ever from > the physical side or lack > of actual practice, it's usually because I've come > with a subconscious agenda > or worry and I'm thinking about things other than > the music itself. > > I'm easily distracted too. Sometimes all is humming > along perfectly well and > moments before the first note is played someone > makes a stray comment or > there's some minor stage mix-up or faux pas . . . or > some bit of gear craps out or > hiccups and I lose my focus. > > Anxiety about how to keep from breaking that > mental-emotional-spiritual > "bubble" can be a distraction too. It's like > worrying about worrying because > worrying may give you an ulcer. > > I'd appreciate any stories, strategies or > suggestions that the rest of you > have to offer. I feel like I've had to resign myself > to a more-or-less 50/50 > hit-and-miss, spotty performance experience for > years now. If I could tilt the > prospects of success to the positive by as little as > 10% it'd seem a minor > miracle. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > you're an artist." > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 04:39:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 704C53BF7B; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: "Conventional" music performance using looping Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:39:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVxMH2hju10jw3XSYeR95TaQ5o5KAAMmf7A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050615043934.XDZC26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi-- Today I dressed up like a pirate and played here in San Diego at Seaport Village (bet you think I'm making this up)--the flute player was not on time (second week in a row) but I had an RC-20 in the old signal chain and so had an opportunity to noodle for 10 minutes or so--Irish and English folk tunes. Nobody seemed to think anything was odd (other than my outfit) . . . Most of the time when I have used my chain of battery powered loopers (includes DL-4, DFX-94 and a Digitech Digidelay) in informal (non-gig) situations, I just go for the improv tho--unless I think someone is listening . . . Yesterday I went to see Robert Fripp at the House of Blues and I must say it wasn't all that interesting--he doesn't modulate or for that matter play any "time"--give me Andre or Bill Walker any day. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hurwitz I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and bloops? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 04:52:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D493BF8C; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p3uHGZulqSEdDPphOPOcxZHOQ/khJH3HRipu+QrlrKofNAiQ67bKzB4xyXSFh43+VqMElgGKqvfxz21bPIlbCaWX/5fi5vm3hX78yVtGjfmfze966OWl7yvukc4UgMnAH6Szc4X616V5Q6FNvfcVaQiBoslwE3lob4lEXc6GYtk= ; Message-ID: <20050615045240.38741.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: life changer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088450@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:52:40 +0000 (UTC) I just happen to meet the father of the guy here i germany who builds this gagets very insane a theremin in a pedal! check it out http://www.misomusic.net/lifechanger.html cheers Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 06:24:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675453BF53; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: "Conventional" music performance using looping Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 00:24:43 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884AE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: "Conventional" music performance using looping thread-index: AcVxMH2hju10jw3XSYeR95TaQ5o5KAAMmf7AAAO+MKA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 06:24:57.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[F33822C0:01C57172] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:24:58 +0000 (UTC) > Yesterday I went to see Robert Fripp at the House of Blues and I must say it wasn't all that interesting--he doesn't modulate or for that matter play any "time"--give me Andre or Bill Walker any day. Gary He doesn't modulate? Seriously? You mean every song he played was in one key? No polychords, non-diatonicism, chromatic movements, overtones, tone clusters, etc. This seems very un-Fripp-like to me. Hell, if you analyze his Soundscapes, every tune is practically a handful of keys playing at the same time by the time the loops mature...all sorts of overtones occuring, etc. You couldn't play a major scale or minor pentatonic over that stuff if your life depended on it. Well, you could, but whether it would sound in place is a different matter. :) K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 06:54:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E593BF64; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57177.1C451C48" Subject: Xperimentus Project Datasheet on the Web Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 00:54:43 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Xperimentus Project Datasheet on the Web thread-index: AcVxdxutCSl0Vcz9R2GdoiyrImGj/g== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: "Hartung, Kris" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 06:54:44.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CD2EF80:01C57177] Resent-Message-ID: <3jU5iB.A.G1.2C9rCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:54:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57177.1C451C48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The "Xperimentus" CD Project datasheet is now on the web here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/xperimentus.mht Don't mind the Gnat's Ass specification. I had to add some levity to the project! :) =20 Kris ************************************************************************ ************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm Philosophical Publications & Papers: http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CONTENT_ID=3D2522= 11& c=3DcontentPage Microbiological Music Videos: http://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=3D5&~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CONTENT_I= D=3D1 88309&c=3DcontentPage&FILTER_KEY=3D34861 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57177.1C451C48 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xperimentus Project Datasheet on the Web

The "Xperimentus" CD Project = datasheet is now on the web here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/xperimentus.mht

Don't mind the Gnat's Ass = specification. I had to add some levity to the project!  = :)  

Kris

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C57177.1C451C48-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 07:13:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C40E3BF4D; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010883F7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <67331B7B-57AA-4B38-87A2-881F2002A5E3@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14E56575-5696-4DC6-BE9E-B1F801833F80@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:13:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:13:54 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 14, 2005, at 23:57, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more > "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and > bloops? I'm not sure that I correctly understand the (eventual?) difference between those two concepts, but I can try to answer for myself. I guess I usually do both when looping. As an improvising musician I have always tended to work a lot with melodies. That's something that others might like but I have always felt a bit alienated by the melodic side, maybe being afraid of the music to stand out as "too sweet". So to compensate that melodic side, that I seem not being able to escape, I have always put effort into developing an interesting tone; be it in physical instruments that I play or by plain programming of electronics. "The beeps and bloops" is one way to create such an interesting tone. Does that qualify me as a player of "conventional" music? ;-) To be a bit more general I must say that I like listening to music that appears to lack melodic elements. But I don't like listening to music that have no direction, no question and answer dialogue, no tension building up and no letting go of tension. I like to think that the difference between music and noise is that music does imply directions in movement, which noise doesn't. I like listening to noise as well, BTW. But I find it very difficult to play noise, there is always a melodic element creeping in to it. So, to use that flavor you have to call in the machines. Does that make me a beep' n blooper? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 07:45:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F5403BF6E; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:45:10 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) thread-index: AcVxedAI1dbyG6hvRxaMM261GuEebgAAoMew From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 07:45:12.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[295C73F0:01C5717E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:45:13 +0000 (UTC) You've sort of depicted the idiom of Jazz, Per. Melody, tension and release, improvisation, not too sweet or sappy (like Kenny G). In jazz a lot of the interaction and musicican conversations between musicians is about melody and harmony, the function of chords, direction, resolution, etc. Heck, in hard core bebop in the 50s, sax players used to play with just a bass player and drummer...no chordal instrument. They didn't need them. When soloist do their thing, the piano or guitar player comping tries to compliment them, match their coloration, alteration, and syncopation...they listen really hard to hear these nuances and work with them...use chordal call and response, and so on. To me, YOU think like a improvisatioal jazz musician, not a pop musician or conventional musician - and I place myself in that category as well not because of my influences alone, but because I like melody and telling a story with a solo rather than just playing layers upon layers of textural backgrounds, but "outside" melody, which is relative to a tonal center and heavy on the tension side. Whole books have been written about this tonal center concept and tension/release...and more importanly the target note method, where a melody starts outside the tonal center but "directs" itself toward a resolution point. These are all concepts that jazz musicians, whether traditional, avant-garde, free, bebop, etc. understand, and which you seeem to grasp quite well. You can listen to a musician at a performance, and usually tell within the first 10 minuted whether they think like a jazz musician or a conventional or pop musician. It's not a comparison to degrade, only a factual one based on technique and use of melody and harmony. I wish you played more avant-garde jazz, Per. I bet you would kick butt at it. Maybe you have, but I haven't found your sound clips. Cheers, Kris=20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) On Jun 14, 2005, at 23:57, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more=20 > "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and=20 > bloops? I'm not sure that I correctly understand the (eventual?) difference between those two concepts, but I can try to answer for myself. I guess I usually do both when looping. As an improvising musician I have always tended to work a lot with melodies. That's something that others might like but I have always felt a bit alienated by the melodic side, maybe being afraid of the music to stand out as "too sweet". So to compensate that melodic side, that I seem not being able to escape, I have always put effort into developing an interesting tone; be it in physical instruments that I play or by plain programming of electronics. "The beeps and bloops" is one way to create such an interesting tone. Does that qualify me as a player of "conventional" music? ;-) To be a bit more general I must say that I like listening to music that appears to lack melodic elements. But I don't like listening to music that have no direction, no question and answer dialogue, no tension building up and no letting go of tension. I like to think that the difference between music and noise is that music does imply directions in movement, which noise doesn't. I like listening to noise as well, BTW. But I find it very difficult to play noise, there is always a melodic element creeping in to it. So, to use that flavor you have to call in the machines. Does that make me a beep' n blooper? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 08:11:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 178933BF7D; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <130390F4-DFF3-4509-9A57-428A1F35B075@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:11:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:11:23 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 15, 2005, at 9:45, Hartung, Kris wrote: > ...no chordal instrument. They didn't need > them. When soloist do their thing, the piano or guitar player comping > tries to compliment them, match their coloration, alteration, and > syncopation...they listen really hard to hear these nuances and work > with them...use chordal call and response, and so on. That area is where I find the magic of music to dwell in! The less chord instruments involved, the cooler all chord changes sound - when only implied by a plethora of melody lines! It may also be true about solo flute pieces. > You can listen to a > musician at a performance, and usually tell within the first 10 > minuted > whether they think like a jazz musician or a conventional or pop > musician. On some occasions I have been amazed, when playing with bands in extremely loud and aggressive concepts, to find that those musicians also listen and adapt the same way that jazzers do. But the line is so much more delicate in metal - you are already burning at 95 percent and only have those five last percent to work with. In jazz things are a lot easier because you may have 70 percent at your disposal for adapting within the group. Just a finding that amazed me ;-) > I wish you played more avant-garde jazz, Per. That's the "label" some people like to put on my noise making. I'm not one of them though ;-) I do love some Albert Ayler recordings though. Does avant-garde jazz still exist? How do you play it without sounding "avant-garde jazz- ish"? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 08:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8BF3BF6C; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:41:28 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) thread-index: AcVxgdS0NElDVzjGRv2M6FSrMNp0DwAAN22Q From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 08:41:29.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[06595000:01C57186] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:41:31 +0000 (UTC) > Does avant-garde jazz still exist? How do you play it without sounding "avant-garde jazz- ish"? Yes, but no one calls it that anymore, it seems. Now there are new terms like post-bop, experimental jazz, modern jazz, free jazz, atonal, structured improvisation, free improvisation, etc. Some of Dave Holland's new stuff is way out there and I consider avant-garde jazz, though he is really modern jazz. Not too long ago, John Abercrombie was doing some really hip and off the deep end material...again, I consider avant-garde. I consider Cecil Taylor avant-garde, though some would argue that he is free jazz or free improvisation....so many sub-categories of sub-categories, cross-categories, etc. Some of the jazz purists only consider certain jazzers in the early 60's as avant-garde. There is avant-garde jazz, and then there's just avant-garde as a general bucket. It's all rather nebulous, but clear in my mind, subjectively speaking. When I hear it, I know it.=20 Interestingly enough, if you go to All Music Guide on the net, they have an amazing array of genres and historical descriptions, sub-divided and sub-divided again and again. They note the founders of the Avante-Garde Jazz genre as Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, Sun Ra, and John Coltrane. And there are still new artists coming out doing stuff that sound like Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, and Ornette Coleman....can't say Coltrane for sure without waking up in the morning cursed. He's untouchable....well, maybe James Carter...that cat blows my mind. I have a video of him playing at the Newport Jazz Festival. He was making sounds come out of his sax that sounded like from an alien world. The sax player standing next to him...his eyes were bugging out in dismay. I felt sorry for him. :) That kid is a jazz machine. I've never heard anyone play Charlie Parker like him.=20 Anyway, musicially speaking, I'm in love with avant-garde...it makes my world turn. The problem is not too many people want to hear it, especially in Boise, ID. I'm a freak of nature here. Who the hell in Boise starts a tune with a major 7b5 chord (Maj7b5 or Maj7#4)), modulates it several times, turns it into a series of looped soundscapes and polychords, and then plays completely outside the tontal center(s) for 10 minutes straight until it sounds like Ornette Coleman is jammed inside my EDPs? That would be me. :)=20 Cripes, I have to get to bed....2:40am here, and I have to bottle-feed a twin before I hit the sack. Thanks for the dialogue, Per. Dream of atonal arrangements for me tonight, will you? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 09:07:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416573BF70; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:06:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:07:00 +0000 (UTC) >> Does avant-garde jazz still exist? How do you play it without >> sounding "avant-garde jazz- ish"? > On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:41, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Interestingly enough, if you go to All Music Guide on the net, they > have > an amazing array of genres and historical descriptions, sub-divided > and > sub-divided again and again. They note the founders of the Avante- > Garde > Jazz genre as Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, Sun Ra, and John > Coltrane. > And there are still new artists coming out doing stuff that sound like > Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, and Ornette Coleman Yeah, I too love those artists. I guess "Avante-Garde" is not the way it sounds but the description of "something different, breaking into new territories". Playing like Coltrane today would not be very "avant-garde", rather conservative. But I see your point in talking about jazz; the open mind, the communication in performance, the implied structures not made explicit as in pop music. I too love that way of relating to making music and I also love the sound of "traditional avante-garde jazz". I try to not distract me from looking for the real avante-garde. Does it exist? Where on the musical map of 2006 are the white territories that musicians are just about to break into? > Cripes, I have to get to bed....2:40am here, and I have to bottle- > feed a > twin before I hit the sack. Thanks for the dialogue, Per. Dream of > atonal arrangements for me tonight, will you? It's not even noon here ;-) He, he... Thanks for all nice posts! Inspiring reading. I may not be dreaming about atonal arrangements but in ten hours I will undertake a five hour train ride and I hope to be dreaming about atonal real-time looping and pitch-shifting (according to exp jazz impro aesthetics, if you want ;-). If I'm lucky I will reach the destination with some new ideas to try out ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 09:27:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5CB83BF6E; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050615100325.02b00980@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:23:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops In-Reply-To: <20050615084132.3AB1B3BF7B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050615084132.3AB1B3BF7B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:27:02 +0000 (UTC) > > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more > > "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and > > bloops? I'm interested in the transition. The change from one of those 2 "poles" to the other. Whether it's a single note that splits into non-harmonic sound. Or a melody that diverts gradually into noisemaking. Or both the above running in the other direction. Or composition that involves making shapes with sounds. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 10:30:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9AA3BF6C; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:29:37 EDT Subject: Points of Friction Live KXLU 88.9 FM Los Angeles Wednesday 6/15/05 10:00 PM PDT To: Conniescans@prodigy.net, rymanpotter@adelphia.net, MJKFISHER@yahoo.com, Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com, gottaski@sbcglobal.net, george_radai@avid.com, spj903@juno.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, jkranitz@aural-innovations.com, loachfillet@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com, catspoet@hotmail.com, MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com, kmoyes@optusnet.com.au, MarcMylar@aol.com, osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net, Deanna@antelecom.net, KRileyms@hotmail.com, Robert@getcom.biz, GRXLR8@aol.com, WonderxLand@aol.com, gsmulti@spiritone.com, Mdsegal@earthlink.net, DWa2898572@aol.com Cc: brenchica4@valp.net, ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net, Christine@hennesseyproject.com, Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com, RiverbratKell@aol.com, rdube@adelphia.net, sdjeepguy@mac.com, Frye1307@MSN.com, mgarrett@standardabrasives.com, GonzalesMignon@aol.com, imcdole@interwrx.com, jeremy@k-9behavior.com, joem@geminidj.com, fkrejci@pacbell.net, e@anomalousrecords.com, SaftyBear1@aol.com, stmjames@ms19.hinet.net, SRYAH@aol.com, Cdnote@aol.com, moyesguitars@optusnet.com.au, mollymoyes@optusnet.com.au, msolomon@zebra.com, rantinraven@sbcglobal.net, Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz, phantomairship@yahoo.com, GRADAI@socal.RR.com, Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com, Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov, rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net, sachis2112@yahoo.com, santibanez.brown@verizon.net, Steve.Brown@albertsons.com, Sstraub425@aol.com, Scan4Kim@aol.com, Scanmt@aol.com, walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1118831377" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:30:10 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1118831377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To All: Yes, we realize this is late notice. We just confirmed live radio performance Tuesday 6/14/05 late evening during studio recording session. Tonight WEDNESDAY June 15th @ 10pm KXLU 88.9 fm in Los Angeles _www.kxlu.com_ (http://www.kxlu.com/) live stream worldwide Points of Friction plays live on Glossolalia 10pm. They've recently played their first live show in 20 years. One more happens tonight live over the airwaves. Record it, bootleg it and make lots of money. Tim Alexander- stuff, electronics Damian Bisciglia- stuff, electronics Joseph Hammer- real-time tape loops Kenny Ryman- synthesizers, electronics, percussion, digital loops and record manipulations Mitchell Brown- real-time tape loops, electronics A brief backround on Points of Friction: _http://aural-innovations.com/2004/march/kryman01.html_ (http://aural-innovations.com/2004/march/kryman01.html) New material soon to be released on the Melon Expander & Spagyric labels. _www.melonexpander.com_ (http://www.melonexpander.com) Thanks for listening. 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To All:
 
Yes, we realize this is late notice.  We ju= st=20 confirmed live radio performance Tuesday 6/14/05 late evening during st= udio=20 recording session.
 
Tonight WEDNESDAY June 15th @=20 10pm
KXLU 88.9 fm in Los=20 Angeles
www.kxlu.com live= =20 stream worldwide
 
Points of Friction plays live on Glosso= lalia=20 10pm.
They've recently played their first live show in 20= =20 years.
One more happens tonight live over the=20 airwaves. 
Record it, bootleg it and make lots of money.
 
Tim Alexander- stuff,=20 electronics
Damian Bisciglia- stuff,=20 electronics
Joseph Hammer- real-time tape=20 loops
Kenny Ryman- synthesizers, electronics, percussi= on,=20 digital loops and record manipulations
Mitchell Brown- real-time tape loops,=20 electronics
 
A brief backround on Points of Friction:
 
New material soon to be released on the Melon Expander &= amp;=20 Spagyric labels.
 
Thanks for listening.
 
Kenny
 -------------------------------1118831377-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 13:13:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A45A33BF71; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pOdvBrbizimVUrOLlB3yLwnnKa9CwqxrUJVajCMg6I3Q7vqATsWdGktIwyH+oY9GrU598xHWF0rQGyRoeJPwQnz4ht4Nr687+fRfXqycm6PIkIhVIt2ThwBXsIJcy2H5hVwH4ewzjB6OkESlhMkszKOWvwMDtp9YP7z0lqnN2/M= Message-ID: <64b81a78050615061374b8cf69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:13:06 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Conventional" music performance using looping In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884AE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884AE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5eAu9.A.JaC.jlCsCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:13:07 +0000 (UTC) We'll be seeing Fripp tonight in Annapolis. This will be our first exposure to pure soundscapes. Not really sure what to expect, but being big Crimson & League fans how could we not go? I'll let you know how it turns out. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 13:57:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3E743BF7A; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jcW/6+i93QyTxifpliDCEbOzScRpOju5oJ9EE0PmrYEInKKbmOM5a9K2avnNhQtZKIckRrXaTpTmEkrcMdeqq5HEesiePdR4mnj5wXEHc1KeGNQEYzTehPRuKMLgutYYIJCuU9OmDaYUYDlZmZACXaXUQ9Mb9Zt9NaJKDbcCyQ0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:57:32 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884B7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:57:33 +0000 (UTC) As far as the general public is concerned, "avant garde" is when people who can't really play make horrible noise in lieu of "music", and "avant garde jazz" is when jazz musicians who should know better make a horrible noise in lieu of jazz... There's always that question among the unsuspecting audience "Hey--is this guy trying to pull one over on me? I hate when people have me on like that..." Someone pointed out in the letters section of The Wire a year or two ago, there's nothing unexpected or groundbreaking about Derek Bailey (for example) any more--he's now a genre like rockabilly, except without the cool clothes. "Extended guitar technique" doesn't carry the shock value that it once did, although you can still clear a room pretty quick with one of his albums. On 6/15/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > There is avant-garde jazz, and then there's just > avant-garde as a general bucket. It's all rather nebulous, but clear in > my mind, subjectively speaking. When I hear it, I know it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 15:31:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490493BF8B; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Fripp at House of Blues Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:31:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884AE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> thread-index: AcVxMH2hju10jw3XSYeR95TaQ5o5KAAMmf7AAAO+MKAAEw80oA== Message-Id: <20050615153147.SYZS20235.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:31:49 +0000 (UTC) No there was plenty of tonal mushiness--lots of "polychords" and non-diatonic notes--in fact he didn't play a chord progression or develop a key signature, although he did construct a major seventh chord at one point. Since you are familiar with his work it might have been what you expected/liked. Not my cup of tea. But I have determined that my tastes are simpler than many on this list. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Yesterday I went to see Robert Fripp at the House of Blues and I must say it wasn't all that interesting--he doesn't modulate or for that matter play any "time"--give me Andre or Bill Walker any day. Gary He doesn't modulate? Seriously? You mean every song he played was in one key? No polychords, non-diatonicism, chromatic movements, overtones, tone clusters, etc. This seems very un-Fripp-like to me. Hell, if you analyze his Soundscapes, every tune is practically a handful of keys playing at the same time by the time the loops mature...all sorts of overtones occuring, etc. You couldn't play a major scale or minor pentatonic over that stuff if your life depended on it. Well, you could, but whether it would sound in place is a different matter. :) K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 15:55:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0EC33BF98; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Jun 2005 15:55:41 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:55:40 -0500 Subject: Re:Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050615155541.145D4CA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:55:42 +0000 (UTC) I use looping for both. In my duo, lumper/splitter, we mainly do improv so= undscape/bleep/bloop with no rehearsals. In my solo act I use looping for conventional songs. I find it takes a lot= more practice and forethought to pull off actual songs with=20 looping since you need to hit cues as well as subject the audience to a lo= t of time where you are constructing the song. Some audiences=20 seem to enjoy that aspect of it while others seem to get restless until you= start singing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops=20 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:23:54 +0100 >=20 >=20 > > > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more > > > "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and > > > bloops? >=20 > I'm interested in the transition. > The change from one of those 2 "poles" to the other. > Whether it's a single note that splits into non-harmonic sound. > Or a melody that diverts gradually into noisemaking. > Or both the above running in the other direction. > Or composition that involves making shapes with sounds. >=20 > andy butler --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 17:05:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 421BD3BF95; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam, Phila Pa, THIS Sat June 18th Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <9fvS8B.A.QDD.e_FsCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:05:35 +0000 (UTC) There is a VERY cool artsy show in Philadelphia this Sat night Positivespace (the Fishtown arts group - http://www.positivespace.net) presents FISHTASTICON 2005!!! an open house at the Manhattan Bar and Grill on Front/Girard in lovely fishtown. There will be films and paintings up the whole night and music sets by the following: David E Williams - Goth/Cabaret Songwriter Par Excellance Http://www.davidewilliams.com David Talento - (ME!) doing a set of ambient Guitar Synthesizser and looping with some surprises and guests. Http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/djtbio.htm Pro Viso - west philly acostic jam thing Parasite Militia which is A profane concept electronic concert by Jennifer Bates of GERM (http://www.GERMbooks.com) fame. Films provided by - Waiting for Cable productions. T shirts, memberships, etc available all night. Come out for the TRUE underground in an above ground venue. Fishtasticon 2005 - Positive Space presents a blow out evening of art, music, and multimedia ..um.. art! A mere $5 buys you a year's worth of entertainment in one evening!! WHEN: Saturday Night, June 18th EARLY show 8PM-midnight (be there early as DEW starts the show!!) WHERE: Manhattan Room East Girard Ave, Fishtown ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 17:54:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50A03BFA0; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rm0YGTO0xsxATN8nUZH76otlZ+INZn9BmJHWVI3tZfoslSntyDK/SwJFOe5nVraODvF3/VCZXtrHFerY5VOc0BpO7aBl7+rCbL6TAU2eMa7mjpUyVC6N5bzl9qcrMhO3l2XzYIB3AFq+Qsf+atoMGJFdt3AYaWP5qDciS/3/Sc0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:54:02 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping In-Reply-To: <87158DF0-DD06-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050614183954.81699.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> <87158DF0-DD06-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <20z0qC.A.OLF.6sGsCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:54:02 +0000 (UTC) On 6/14/05, Scott Drengsen wrote: > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to > 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of > "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). > Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. >=20 Do you know if this is a rehash of the Encyclopedia Cthulhliana that came out a few years ago? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 19:06:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33343BF99; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050615190657.390.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088487@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:06:57 +0000 (UTC) --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > ...but I love it, the nightmare that is. I love to > torture myself with > the insanity of tone mangling electronics. It's > escapism, egoism, and > deception all wrapped up into a nice all-to-pretty > package. AH THAT'S IT! That's exactly what I feel it's time to move away from. I get a great rush from all the above, but I wonder if my audience (outside the appreciative looping community) gives a rat's ass. It's funny, I've become less and less a fan of Andre LaFosse's music as he's become more and more adept at manipulating his EDP. I feel it's the difference between being a great gymnast and being a great dancer. > > Yet, sometimes there is beauty in removing the > security blanket of electronic effects, the fancy dressing around the > window pane through which we see/hear just the notes, the gist that >has made music "music" > for the last few thousand years. Once in a while I like to plug my > acoustic guitar into just my EDP and see what happens with the > simplicity of that one set of tones and timbres. Part of what made me start thinking all these thoughts was the fact that what I felt were some of my best moments was when I was just feeding my guitar into my VOX TonelabSE's 8 sec looper. Simple. My hope is to look back to my more pop/song orientated past and use loops more like Fripp/Gabriel did in "Here Comes The Flood." Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 19:22:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D8193BFA3; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050615192232.40679.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:22:33 +0000 (UTC) --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way > of playing more > > "conventional" music and how many of us are making > the beeps and > > bloops? A good question... but I don't think it's necessarily relevant. "Beeps and Boops" to me is an onamonapiadioc (did I just make up a word?) way of talking about timbre. I think it's foolish to say that timbre doesn't factor into composition, improvised or not. I don't plan on abandoning my sound design experiments in my music at all... Listen to the newer Radiohead music (especially Kid A). They do a great job IMO of using modern electronics and loops in a pop song context. I think when Mr. Devilstickuphisuptighthippyass was condemning "beeps and boops" he was probably talking about the difference between sonic rambling experiments and tighter pre-thought out pieces. If there are people who've not heard Mouse On Mars, you're missing out on a group that is amazing at making beautiful compositions using "beeps and boops" but it's obvious that their music is very composed. I think what I'm trying to say is that just because a certain instrument/sound has become associated with a genera, it's unfair to label music a genera solely on the instruments/tools/timbres it's using. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 19:59:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551863BFA4; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050615195934.51301.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15d.52cd3260.2fe0c891@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0YALm.A.RDB.niIsCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Man, this is the best conversation we've had in a long time! NICE! --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > When I begin to totally suck it's hardly ever from > the physical side or lack > of actual practice, it's usually because I've come > with a subconscious agenda > or worry and I'm thinking about things other than > the music itself. Man do I relate to that. When you find a non drug related way around that subconsious agenda, let me know! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 20:18:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E69443BFA7; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050615201829.56472.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <14E56575-5696-4DC6-BE9E-B1F801833F80@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Per, you are my hero. --- Per Boysen wrote: > > To be a bit more general I must say that I like > listening to music > that appears to lack melodic elements. But I don't > like listening to > music that have no direction, no question and answer > dialogue, no > tension building up and no letting go of tension. I > like to think > that the difference between music and noise is that > music does imply > directions in movement, which noise doesn't. I like > listening to > noise as well, BTW. But I find it very difficult to > play noise, there > is always a melodic element creeping in to it. So, > to use that flavor > you have to call in the machines. Does that make me > a beep' n blooper? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 21:40:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71BF43BFA5; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BoIJik9fLZDFwChB4a8ZQ9L0ME5fEzba6L6I3blUgQrWsHdYp61tbUX4iK0aOUFo9dhLCVfNzoiqtr+MeWnD2aDNKWwV7VeUQdUZZ5uWc4qHtDyQXgHZmNL5Znni/E4qS2iZV9f/WfhhslDpVwgIVV9Cj9Ft5T7b1X/QE9sF61k= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205061514402f53916d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:40:32 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Looping In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088404@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Where's this animated film? I love that novella! On 6/14/05, Scott Drengsen wrote: > No, this is exciting and new to me . I contributed some to the > soundtrack of an animated version of the "Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath" > and that was my introduction to Lovecraft. While researching the > soundtrack I met the Lexicon Author. > Scott > On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: >=20 > > By the way, are you a member of the Lovecraft music Yahoo discussion > > group? > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lovecraft_based_music/ > > > > Check out a reivew of my Lovecraft influenced DVD/Music by Italian > > Magazine Horror: > > > > http://www.horrormagazine.it/notizie/502/ (that is a picture of a > > Vorticella, I shot with my USB microscope. Translation of the aricle is > > here: > > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/ > > DVD.htm#revi > > ews > > > > I just watched the movie the Necronomicon: Book of the Dead the other > > night...wonderfully grotesque!:) > > > > I would love to hear more Lovecraft based loop music. There is a lot of > > music inspired by HP, but not necessarily looped music. > > > > Kris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:00 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Lovecraft and Looping > > > > This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to > > 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of > > "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). > > Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. > > > > Chapel of the Chimes(where "Garden of Memories" is held annually,a > > great > > space) > > 4499 Piedmont Avenue > > Oakland California > > > > Thank you, > > Scott > > >=20 >=20 --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 21:44:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 686D83BFA4; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Lovecraft and Looping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20050614183954.81699.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> <87158DF0-DD06-11D9-8B0A-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <9RUQlC.A.BjG.GFKsCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:44:38 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Joey wrote: > On 6/14/05, Scott Drengsen wrote: >> This Thursday at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland Ca. from 6.30 to >> 8.30 I'll be making spooky ambient loops to celebrate the release of >> "The Lovecraft Lexicon" (a dictionary of all things Lovecraftian). >> Please stop by if you like.It should be a great party. >> > > Do you know if this is a rehash of the Encyclopedia Cthulhliana that > came out a few years ago? Same topic area as the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana, yes, but I believe this is a completely different book - different authors, different publishers, and so forth. Encyclopedia Cthulhiana (on amazon) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568821190/ Lovecraft Lexicon (not yet on amazon, publisher's link) http://www.newfalcon.com/books/lovecraft.htm tentacularly loppingly yours, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 15 23:00:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A612C3BFA5; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dAYCvvEeoJpLf2/9lH/zegFD89QjNU15afABHxaxSkSNgbJQMbc7l2mZcnEv6KJKHSs2nNGFCbuMgynC5p0Mz2BVbwU7D5qAcFvdZadZApbl3ul2OI2WelWdIK6KhpLoI8qZK7izEcQquNLR8R9VDPeLpE0K1uo5lLe2XfNMmeg= ; Message-ID: <20050615230008.15362.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: DOD Jamman - Did They Ship from AMS Today? 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1521705669-1118876407=:13307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 04:34:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 360E73BFA7; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uAQWKAETGsVoOs2U2H21gxLqDIrF3FPtRN1LFGQj80YfCOUQHhH0yiFZFdv7aKa16p/HwT3eoBn7NR6d5MlqWqxXPTFCKmae75ukl4hPb6uBZif22q/NztZht864J1UH/zdHFWz7vYcJetFwU3b9wCRfWwBOmjqjokwN2hVaWv0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:34:58 -0400 From: magicicada Reply-To: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Tomorrow @ 2:30 Hearing on Downing Street Memos In-Reply-To: <20050615153147.SYZS20235.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884AE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <20050615153147.SYZS20235.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Do Yourself a Favor and Listen To : please repost,if you do not mind. Pacifica Radio .. http://www.kpfk.org/ CSPAN3 .. http://www.cspan.org/ Information about Downing Street Memos http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html On Thursday June 16, 2005, from 2:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. in Room HC-9 of the = U.S.=20 Capitol, Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee, and other Congress Members will hold a hearing on the Downing Street Minute= s=20 and related evidence of efforts to cook the books on pre-war intelligence. The hearings had been planned for the Democratic National Committee offices= =20 because the Republicans controlling the House Judiciary Committee had refus= ed=20 to permit the ranking Democratic Member to use a large room on the Hill. http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/UndertheDome/index.html However, the Democrats did have access to a small room in the Capitol, and Congressman Conyers has decided to move the hearings there. This does not indicate any change in position from the Republicans ... Members of the media will be welcome (press credentials required), but citi= zens=20 in town for the 5 p.m. rally at the White House will have difficulty gettin= g=20 into the 2:30 hearings.=20 The DNC will serve as an overflow room, so people can still go there: the Wasserman Room at 430 S Capitol St. SE. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 05:04:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE4F23BFAC; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eQ9ldtD7GLtkye+DtD/fzNp4/nYivmRN//AlihDXyHfuIvGQElollm29VyACzX/1QvWk+R2QjX6Z4onkz6b8d887XbxUiHAY4OYUnhc3uJK6UsIgJFOQYAiBxNAR2f7QcU5YIN5iVYfm5vbxqeRHWY10KUz1otrggKkcX5fXfn4= ; Message-ID: <20050616050405.46527.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: Points of Friction Live KXLU 88.9 FM Los Angeles Wednesday 6/15/05 10:00 PM PDT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Is this the "Tim Alexander" from the CGS MFA art dept ? =RANDY LEIFER= --- Ryman1960@aol.com wrote: > > To All: > > Yes, we realize this is late notice. We just > confirmed live radio > performance Tuesday 6/14/05 late evening during > studio recording session. > > Tonight WEDNESDAY June 15th @ 10pm > KXLU 88.9 fm in Los Angeles > _www.kxlu.com_ (http://www.kxlu.com/) live stream > worldwide > > Points of Friction plays live on Glossolalia 10pm. > They've recently played their first live show in 20 > years. > One more happens tonight live over the airwaves. > Record it, bootleg it and make lots of money. > > Tim Alexander- stuff, electronics > Damian Bisciglia- stuff, electronics > Joseph Hammer- real-time tape loops > Kenny Ryman- synthesizers, electronics, percussion, > digital loops and record > manipulations > Mitchell Brown- real-time tape loops, electronics > > A brief backround on Points of Friction: > _http://aural-innovations.com/2004/march/kryman01.html_ > > (http://aural-innovations.com/2004/march/kryman01.html) > > > New material soon to be released on the Melon > Expander & Spagyric labels. > _www.melonexpander.com_ > (http://www.melonexpander.com) > > Thanks for listening. > > Kenny > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 12:21:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1433BFB6; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1118924499!18979870!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A166@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:23:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5726E.24125F40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:42 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5726E.24125F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I second that devotion. people often ask my band (especially in interviews) about the superficial similarity between us & a certain period in tangerine dream's history, "& yet there's something different.... somehow your music is more emotionally revealing...." sort of thing. I usually explain that we use the same sort of sonic vocabulary (synths, analogue sequencing, lead guitar, loops, the mighty mellotron....) but that we approach composition in a different way. in fact, TD claimed to improvise a lot of their material too, but there are two significant differences that prevent them (in my view) engaging the listeners' attention in the way I'm told my band does: they were forced by the technology of the time to do a lot of overdubbing, thus reducing the spontanaeity somewhat, they did not spend much/any quality time together away from the studio/stage. 'pon this latter- if my band spends an evening getting trashed in the pub, it's as useful to us as a rehearsal. so a different version of the same response is to switch the instruments- take away the analogue sequencers, the synths & the mellotron, & replace them with guitars, bass, drums. would we sound quite so similar then? no, we'd be different in the same way that not all guitar bands sound like the beatles. the social interaction in my band allows us to work together & truly improvise- we often go onstage with no idea at all what we're going to do- while still managing to incorporate the all-important narrative thread. without this, the noise would be pointless noodling, & of interest only to the hardware enthusiasts...... we've all of us been to see movies that have had many thousands of dollars spent on effects- all manner of CGI eye candy.... but if there's no story, what's the point? to some degree, all art forms can ignore this narrative thread business, but only if they can substitute something equally engaging. too often there's an assumption that, because a particular form has gained acceptance on the basis of stylistic innovation, this acceptance will be inherited by copyists of that innovation. there are places where fripp's two-revoxes-&-a-les-paul work is unknown, & I could get away with knocking out a perfunctory set (as he has been known to do himself) which would succeed purely on novelty value. but if I did the same in front of the list, you'd all ask what exactly I was bringing to the party. um.... am I making sense? duncan/radio massacre international >>Per, you are my hero. --- Per Boysen wrote: > > To be a bit more general I must say that I like > listening to music > that appears to lack melodic elements. But I don't > like listening to > music that have no direction, no question and answer > dialogue, no > tension building up and no letting go of tension. I > like to think > that the difference between music and noise is that > music does imply > directions in movement, which noise doesn't. I like > listening to > noise as well, BTW. But I find it very difficult to > play noise, there > is always a melodic element creeping in to it. So, > to use that flavor > you have to call in the machines. Does that make me > a beep' n blooper? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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I second that devotion.
people often ask my band (especially in interviews) abou= t the superficial similarity between us & a certain period in tangerine= dream's history, "& yet there's something different.... somehow y= our music is more emotionally revealing...." sort of thing.

I usually explain that we use the same sort of sonic voca= bulary (synths, analogue sequencing, lead guitar, loops, the mighty mellotr= on....) but that we approach composition in a different way.

in fact, TD claimed to improvise a lot of their material = too, but there are two significant differences that prevent them (in my vie= w) engaging the listeners' attention in the way I'm told my band does:

they were forced by the technology of the time to do a lo= t of overdubbing, thus reducing the spontanaeity somewhat,
they did not spend much/any quality time together away f= rom the studio/stage.

'pon this latter- if my band spends an evening getting tr= ashed in the pub, it's as useful to us as a rehearsal.
 
so a different version of the same response is to switch= the instruments- take away the analogue sequencers, the synths & the m= ellotron, & replace them with guitars, bass, drums. would we sound quit= e so similar then? no, we'd be different in the same way that not all guita= r bands sound like the beatles.

the social interaction in my band allows us to work toget= her & truly improvise- we often go onstage with no idea at all what we'= re going to do- while still managing to incorporate the all-important narra= tive thread.

without this, the noise would be pointless noodling, &= ; of interest only to the hardware enthusiasts......
we've all of us been to see movies that have had many th= ousands of dollars spent on effects- all manner of CGI eye candy.... but if= there's no story, what's the point?

to some degree, all art forms can ignore this narrative t= hread business, but only if they can substitute something equally engaging.= too often there's an assumption that, because a particular form has gained= acceptance on the basis of stylistic innovation, this acceptance will be i= nherited by copyists of that innovation.

there are places where fripp's two-revoxes-&-a-les-pa= ul work is unknown, & I could get away with knocking out a perfunctory = set (as he has been known to do himself) which would succeed purely on nove= lty value. but if I did the same in front of the list, you'd all ask what e= xactly I was bringing to the party.

um.... am I making sense?

duncan/radio massacre international



>>Per, you are my hero.

--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:

>
> To be a bit more general I must say that I like
> listening to music 
> that appears to lack melodic elements. But I don't<= /FONT>
> like listening to 
> music that have no direction, no question and answe= r
> dialogue, no 
> tension building up and no letting go of tension. I=
> like to think 
> that the difference between music and noise is that=
> music does imply 
> directions in movement, which noise doesn't. I like=
> listening to 
> noise as well, BTW. But I find it very difficult to=
> play noise, there 
> is always a melodic element creeping in to it. So,<= /FONT>
> to use that flavor 
> you have to call in the machines. Does that make me=
> a beep' n blooper?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> --->  iTunes Music Store (digital)
> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
>
>
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5726E.24125F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 17:44:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E5063BF96; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mWRVEyVa6lIsSSaUyBppfJw5mJcuT2G8THuTG4H8v8vHvF7Xa+Vg4ETolnQrC5hd12i08QGeMzefhbq9aLkTQBXH98W2SFaV03l1RC2FlPn81YyvmN9cS71X+xSlU5GmcomPOdlGQAbk/y3eGQ07iB8ZM/DC1OJ3M+uUpblMd2c= Message-ID: <64b81a7805061610432494816f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:43:41 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Conventional" music performance using looping In-Reply-To: <64b81a78050615061374b8cf69@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B010884AE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <64b81a78050615061374b8cf69@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Well, we had to pass on the Fripp show due to unexpected events so I won't be able to give a review after all. Oh well, next time. Ultimately, though, in this case I think Gary's opinion and mine would largely coincide. The "polychordal mush" that he describes is the sort of thing that I can at times enjoy creating, but I rarely seek it out to listen to. In lieu of the show I'll have to pick up a cd to see where I stand on the whole affair. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 18:10:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E8E3BFB0; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Fripp and Soundscapes Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:10:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcVymwwxaGG2mxVOSty93MaEyGVUagAAqVuQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <64b81a7805061610432494816f@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <20050616181010.DGUT16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:10:21 +0000 (UTC) ---->Well, I met the man once and he was a nice fellow-- And his work speaks for itself, but-- Monday night's performance was exactly the sort of thing I might enjoy creating but was less comfortable with as an observer. I'm playing tomorrow poolside at the San Diego Mission Bay Hilton from 1-5 pm with my "big rig" (sequences, harmonizer, MPX G2 and EDP, and my doubleneck Ztar), so looping is a possibility, but less likely than Hot, Hot, Hot or Margaritaville--so come down and encourage me and I'll cook up some "polychordal mush". Gary Lehmann PS It's cloudy here lately so don't make a special trip. G -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford Well, we had to pass on the Fripp show due to unexpected events so I won't be able to give a review after all. Oh well, next time. Ultimately, though, in this case I think Gary's opinion and mine would largely coincide. The "polychordal mush" that he describes is the sort of thing that I can at times enjoy creating, but I rarely seek it out to listen to. In lieu of the show I'll have to pick up a cd to see where I stand on the whole affair. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 18:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1326D3BFC2; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:55 -0400 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Strategies (was: Re: Improv loops (was Re: Upcoming gig) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2E72E579.57E047A6.0269DAB0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.117.73 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:34:01 +0000 (UTC) at the last several "away gigs" i have taken less and less stuff thus making my guitar playing more focused upon.....i could not play a "solo guitar" gig without a looper.....my music is fairly simple, but what is interesting to me is, in my studio i can bring more emotion to my "simple" music moreso than in front of people and other loopers....."if these folk only knew how simple what i am doing really is they would soundly beat me upside the head", this is what i'm thinking as i stare at the floor "looping" in dread hoping to keep my dirty little secrets.....so i also say, "bring on the meds!".....don't let abject fear come between you and your music!.....:).....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 22:57:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A699D3BFC2; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1166.68.8.246.68.1118962636.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gig spam: Change of venue in LA From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi, My band Eleven Eyes is currently on tour in California, and have actually had a few LD-ers come to our shows. Great to meet all of you. The tour so far has been great, some minor setbacks, but the shows have largely been very cool. The venue for our LA show tomorrow, Firday 6/17, has changed, we are now playing at Molly Malone's, 575 S Fairfax,LA, 323-935-1577. We are on at 11-ish, and since this is LA, you have to tell the door person that you are there to see Eleven Eyes, or we don't get paid anything. Gigging in LA seems to be so much more of a pain than anywhere else on the West Coast. Tonight, we are still at the Martini Ranch in Encinitas, CA, and Saturday, we finish the tour at the Frog and Peach in San Luis Obispo. Also, we just booked another show back home in Eugene that should have some serious looping interest. We are playing the WOW hall on Wednesday, June 22nd, opening for Futureman, from Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. This is a really exciting show for us! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 16 23:44:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EAF23BFD1; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050616234419.4625.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:44:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "Conventional" music performance using looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a7805061610432494816f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:44:20 +0000 (UTC) I agree with that statement a lot... but it also depends on context. I find that if I'm the background music at an art opening, bring it on. Nice ambient mush is often what the doctor ordered (though I like Fripp's Let The Power Fall era stuff a LOT more than his current mush) I also love to hear it performed at such events. However, when you have a group of people all focused on what you're doing, it's really not great music to watch performed. Mark --- Todd Pafford wrote: > Ultimately, though, in this case I think Gary's > opinion and mine would > largely coincide. The "polychordal mush" that he describes is the > sort of thing that I can at times enjoy creating, but I rarely seek it > out to listen to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 17 05:43:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4C7D3BFD4; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp and Soundscapes Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:43:49 +0000 Message-Id: <061720050543.13808.42B263150008726D000035F022007358340196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13808_1118987029_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:43:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13808_1118987029_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -------------- Original message ------------- > ---->Well, I met the man once and he was a nice fellow-- Yeah well I split the cost of a case of homebrew with him once and joined him and others in consuming the lot (sorry for the topper). I love him to death but I would rejoice to see RF hit the road again with a couple of Revoxesssss( a couple for back-up),the black '58 Les Paul, a couple of stomp boxes and the returned desire to punch "out" of a simple but melodic loop and play the living shit out of the electric guitar in anything but "polychordal mush" mode. Even the tracks on "Let The Power Fall" are just the loops and none of the actual counterpoint of a live unlooped solo that was presented with, in the original performance context. The truth is if you listen to the farther parameters of his work with the League of Gentlemen, Eno, and solo loops "with solo", you will hear some pretty dangerous and brilliant electric guitar work for this or any other century so far. Which is not to say that he hasn't released enough material over the last 15 years to make you wonder where that genius lie in the moment of another bit of "polychordal mush". My personal vote for worst RF disc of all time is "Robert Fripp 1999-Soundscapes Live in Argentina" circa 1994, which includes musically all the things you could possibly not enjoy about the "boops and beeps" genre.A friend of mine once said to me that seeing Fripp's solo loop performance was like watching an air traffic controller at work, except without the obvious life and death scenario possible for the air traffic controller's clients. As Neil Innes said "I've suffered for my music, now it's your turn". bryan helm P.S. Just a reminder that" Loopers Delight CD Volume 4-Unsubscribe" is still in the early production phases but will be accepting submisssions only from LD members who have "unsubscribed" at some point in time, or especially those who continue to avoid the list at all cost...you know who you are. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13808_1118987029_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 

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> ---->Well, I met the man once and he was a nice fellow--
Yeah well I split the cost of a case of homebrew with him once and joined him and others in consuming the lot (sorry for the topper). I love him to death but I would rejoice to see RF hit the road again with a couple of Revoxesssss( a couple for back-up),the black '58 Les Paul, a couple of stomp boxes and the returned desire to punch "out" of a simple but melodic loop and play the living shit out of the electric guitar in anything but "polychordal mush" mode. Even the tracks on "Let The Power Fall" are just the loops and none of the actual counterpoint of a live unlooped solo that was presented with, in the original performance context. The truth is if you listen to the farther parameters of his work with the League of Gentlemen, Eno, and solo loops "with solo", you will hear some pretty dangerous and brilliant electric guitar work for this or any other century so far.

Which is not to say that he hasn't released enough material over the last 15 years to make you wonder where that genius lie in the moment of another bit of "polychordal mush". My personal vote for worst RF disc of all time is "Robert Fripp 1999-Soundscapes Live in Argentina" circa 1994, which includes musically all the things you could possibly not enjoy about the "boops and beeps" genre.A friend of mine once said to me that seeing Fripp's solo loop performance was like watching an air traffic controller at work, except without the obvious life and death scenario possible for the air traffic controller's clients. As Neil Innes said "I've suffered for my music, now it's your turn".

                                                                bryan helm

                                                              
P.S. Just a reminder that" Loopers Delight CD Volume 4-Unsubscribe" is still in the early production phases but will be accepting submisssions only from LD members who have "unsubscribed" at some point in time, or especially those who continue to avoid the list at all cost...you know who you are.

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13808_1118987029_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 17 06:12:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AB663BFD0; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <893BD0C2-AB50-49EC-98F0-EEB747F4D601@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: toejam00@mac.com Subject: Electrix Repeater Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:12:03 +0900 To: loopers delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:12:20 +0000 (UTC) My dissertation work has kept me out of the loop (and into the lurk) for almost a year now. I resubscribed to the list a few weeks ago, but haven't seen much about the Repeater. My mails to Electrix have all received the same "more info within the next few weeks" response. Does anyone have any more concrete information? Thanks, TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 17 12:01:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C8613BFD0; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <893BD0C2-AB50-49EC-98F0-EEB747F4D601@mac.com> References: <893BD0C2-AB50-49EC-98F0-EEB747F4D601@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <75F2507E-DF27-11D9-9E74-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:00:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <99Nv1D.A.t1D.AursCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:01:05 +0000 (UTC) i was told "july or early august" for an actual street date. On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:12 AM, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > My dissertation work has kept me out of the loop (and into the lurk) > for almost a year now. I resubscribed to the list a few weeks ago, but > haven't seen much about the Repeater. My mails to Electrix have all > received the same "more info within the next few weeks" response. Does > anyone have any more concrete information? > > Thanks, > > TJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 17 13:38:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 850423BFD5; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s1b3awYPPCE6dEWj4bKdzPv1N45wHhmY8aHDUejb0G3DuBsrIC4uusZl3Td95t5yzadE1IqIc/154kt1atS7L0fVDv8295fUudWIMEZzN3uVAzxZ0mRvhqPYvKqAm0NczSLgWy0QsGQ/Wn1pvj39a54HMS7tYe2LmTvDjk4aU/Q= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:38:37 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater In-Reply-To: <75F2507E-DF27-11D9-9E74-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <893BD0C2-AB50-49EC-98F0-EEB747F4D601@mac.com> <75F2507E-DF27-11D9-9E74-000A956F605C@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) At least the Repeater is mentioned on the Electrix website. I don't believe that Digitech has put anything up on their site about the new JamMan yet..... On 6/17/05, monk wrote: > i was told "july or early august" for an actual street date. >=20 >=20 > On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:12 AM, toejam00@mac.com wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 17 23:53:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 509863BFDB; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57397.B73CD227" Subject: Are you experienced? With ShortRun Music, etc Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:53:09 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A31@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Are you experienced? With ShortRun Music, etc thread-index: AcVzl7ayR5K/EmGTQ6COKsFs5ww4/Q== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2005 23:53:10.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7854E70:01C57397] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:53:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57397.B73CD227 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C57397.B73CD227" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C57397.B73CD227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not talking about Hendrix. I'm switching to a different company to duplicate my last CD release with Vincent Miresse on didg and percussion....CafePress is just too expensive. I decided to go with http://www.shortrunmusic.com I went with the package below. I created my artwork again to meet their specs, created a master CD, and mailed it off to them. And I asked them to call me to so I could pay with my VISA card. But it's been two weeks and no response. I left one voicemail and sent to emails. I have a feeling that this is a one man show company. The last email I sent to the guy, it took him a week to respond, Anyone have this problem with Shortrun Music? I Need to get these CDs because I'm all setup with CD Baby and they are waiting for me to send my first 5 CDs. SHORT-RUN CDr PRODUCTION (full package) Our beautiful full color 4-panel jewel case package.=20 Quantity Price per CD Total=09 sample $15.00 $15.00=09 10 $5.00 $50.00=09 25 $4.50 $112.50=09 50 $4.00 $200.00=09 100 $3.75 $375.00=09 150 $3.65 $547.50=09 200 $3.55 $710.00=09 250 $3.45 $862.50=09 300+ $3.35 =09 includes shrinkwrap & U.S.A. shipping By the way, my new project Xperimentus, with me playing online collaboration duos with 13 looper's delight members is progressing well. We're going to generate some crazy shit, man. I'm totally jacked. I'm laying down some initial tracks for players to play over, and visa versa....some of these tunes will be VERY abstract, like guitar versions of Cecil Taylor. For instance, I have players playing tracks without hearing the first track, but only knowing the tonal center. Or I'm playing really abstract single note pieces and having someone play a soundscape underlying that - reverse of how most folks record. The finale song will be all 14 players playing parts at the same time, yet none will hear the other's part. Rainer will do the mixing of these parts into one masterpiece. This one will be fun. Check out the project description and who is on it: http://www.boisemusicians.com/xperimentus.mht If this goes well, I'll do an Xperimentus II....unless this one kills me. :) ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Mojam Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm ------_=_NextPart_002_01C57397.B73CD227 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you experienced? With ShortRun Music, etc

No, I'm not talking about Hendrix. I'm = switching to a different company to duplicate my last CD release with = Vincent Miresse on didg and percussion….CafePress is just too = expensive. I decided to go with http://www.shortrunmusic.com

I went with the package below. I = created my artwork again to meet their specs, created a master CD, and = mailed it off to them. And I asked them to call me to so I could pay = with my VISA card. But it’s been two weeks and no response. I left = one voicemail and sent to emails. I have a feeling that this is a one = man show company. The last email I sent to the guy, it took him a week = to respond, Anyone have this problem with Shortrun Music? I Need to get = these CDs because I'm all setup with CD Baby and they are waiting for me = to send my first 5 CDs.

SHORT-RUN CDr = PRODUCTION (full package)
Our beautiful full color 4-panel jewel case package.=20

Quantity      &= nbsp; Price = per CD    Total  
sample  = $15.00  = $15.00 
10      $5.00   = $50.00 
25      $4.50   = $112.50
50      $4.00   = $200.00
100     $3.75   = $375.00
150     $3.65   = $547.50
200     $3.55   = $710.00
250     $3.45   = $862.50
300+    $3.35   =        
includes = shrinkwrap & U.S.A. shipping

By the way, my new project Xperimentus, = with me playing online collaboration duos with 13 looper's delight = members is progressing well. We’re going to generate some crazy = shit, man. I'm totally jacked.  I'm laying down some initial tracks = for players to play over, and visa versa….some of these tunes will = be VERY abstract, like guitar versions of Cecil Taylor. For instance, I = have players playing tracks without hearing the first track, but only = knowing the tonal center. Or I'm playing really abstract single note = pieces and having someone play a soundscape underlying that - reverse of = how most folks record.  The finale song will be all 14 players = playing parts at the same time, yet none will hear the other's part. = Rainer will do the mixing of these parts into one masterpiece.  = This one will be fun. Check out the project description and who is on = it: http://www.boisemusicians.com/xperimentus.mht   If this goes well, I'll do = an Xperimentus II….unless this one kills me. :)

**********************************************************= ******************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com =
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Mojam Performance = Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung
Gear setup: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
Featured, Sold, = or Downloadable on over 100 sites:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm<= SPAN LANG=3D"en-us">
Music & Video = Catalogue:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm
37 Free = downloadable songs in MP3 format:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm=




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Sorry to vent and = display my artistic insecurity and defensiveness with my fellow looping comrades,
but I just have = to share this. I guess I'm feeling alone in a world of = non-improvisational dominant music.
This is why I'm = starting to loath news paper music critics more and more. I wrote this = email tonight and
posted it on my = website:

http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm

I'm starting to = feel like Robert Fripp with my strung out = and pedantic verbiage. Take this = as you will,
but this guy = pissed me off, and it will probably make me never submit a CD to a news = paper ever again,
unless it has = Britney Spears singing lead on it in the nude, with Paris Hilton = on cello, and Pamela
Anderson on = maracas (in cut-time).  I probably over-reacted...oh well, = such is the life of an obsessive-compulsive.

Kris


**********************************************************= **************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Mojam Performance = Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartu
ng
Gear setup: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
Featured, Sold, = or Downloadable on over 100 sites:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm<= /A>
Music & Video = Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm
37 Free = downloadable songs in MP3 format:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm=


------_=_NextPart_001_01C573D6.0CDBB153-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 18 08:35:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 378E33BFDF; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Bjr2wse/JJn5UYpWAg/78iK3jjBVI24J6v/soCwypUQ0CJIbKgzZG0fbJt7Kqet8tuP1fMFRGFt0Dhy5Fkdei2Ck2nPRfh5gE/5rBADwTXq3vRGETCx4d8XXycja739ZNd4LUvoBBFwkBT7iOqy+C7s0VLWrgnJUJi2IfLP7Vlo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:35:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A3B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A3B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:35:40 +0000 (UTC) It's rare that a review is of no use to the reviewed, and personally I'd take two pull quotes from this review and use them in my press kit and on gig posters (if it was a review of my music): "...a soundscape for cosmic travel..."--Boise Weekly and "...an astral tapestry..."--Boise Weekly This other album you're describing sounds really interesting, and I'm definitely available for gratis session work on it. TravisH On 6/18/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > =20 >=20 > Sorry to vent and display my artistic insecurity and defensiveness with m= y > fellow looping comrades,=20 > but I just have to share this. I guess I'm feeling alone in a world of > non-improvisational dominant music.=20 > This is why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics more and more.= I > wrote this email tonight and=20 > posted it on my website:=20 >=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm=20 >=20 > I'm starting to feel like Robert Fripp with my strung out and pedantic > verbiage. Take this as you will,=20 > but this guy pissed me off, and it will probably make me never submit a C= D > to a news paper ever again,=20 > unless it has Britney Spears singing lead on it in the nude, with Paris > Hilton on cello, and Pamela=20 > Anderson on maracas (in cut-time). I probably over-reacted...oh well, su= ch > is the life of an obsessive-compulsive.=20 >=20 > Kris=20 > =20 >=20 > ************************************************************************ > Krispen Hartung=20 > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 > http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 > Mojam Performance Calendar:=20 > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu > ng=20 > Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm=20 > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites:=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm=20 > Music & Video Catalogue: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm=20 > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format:=20 > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 18 11:25:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABCDD3BF9D; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 05:25:01 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A3F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcVz4LvjJxO0CzLfSbqQ26ZQAvHlXwAFpuZw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2005 11:25:03.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F638B10:01C573F8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:25:05 +0000 (UTC) I'll grant you that, Travis....most reviewers usually throw you a few tasty crumbs (although, you probably haven't read any of Michael Deed's reviews in the Idaho Statesman, who is notorious for trashing bands once in a while...can be a totally jack ass when he wants to be, like he thinks he's some omnicient music critic god or something). And I do use those crumbs when I can - as you can see on my web site. However, some reviewers also toss in some bird shot in that cold turkey review they dish up, and this guy rubbed me (as in cheese grater) the wrong way enough to do something about it. That doesn't happen very often for me. Sometimes I think that musicians ought to gang up and give a good ass kickin' to music critics once in a while - illustrating that what they do is not a hard science, (unless they are making data-based claims about pitch, duration, etc) but involves a lot of nonsensical subjective drivel that can harm artists...or boost them, depending on how you want to look at it. But in this in case, thank you for pulling me out of the abyss of being totally scorned and chapped about this Neanderthal's comments. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 2:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics It's rare that a review is of no use to the reviewed, and personally I'd take two pull quotes from this review and use them in my press kit and on gig posters (if it was a review of my music): "...a soundscape for cosmic travel..."--Boise Weekly and "...an astral tapestry..."--Boise Weekly This other album you're describing sounds really interesting, and I'm definitely available for gratis session work on it. TravisH On 6/18/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > =20 >=20 > Sorry to vent and display my artistic insecurity and defensiveness=20 > with my fellow looping comrades, but I just have to share this. I=20 > guess I'm feeling alone in a world of non-improvisational dominant=20 > music. > This is why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics more and=20 > more. I wrote this email tonight and posted it on my website: >=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm >=20 > I'm starting to feel like Robert Fripp with my strung out and pedantic > verbiage. Take this as you will, but this guy pissed me off, and it=20 > will probably make me never submit a CD to a news paper ever again,=20 > unless it has Britney Spears singing lead on it in the nude, with=20 > Paris Hilton on cello, and Pamela Anderson on maracas (in cut-time). =20 > I probably over-reacted...oh well, such is the life of an=20 > obsessive-compulsive. >=20 > Kris > =20 >=20 > ********************************************************************** > ** > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 > Mojam Performance Calendar: > = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= r > tu > ng > Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites:=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm > Music & Video Catalogue: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format:=20 > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 18 18:38:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18183BF96; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.3e8eb842.2fe5c431@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:38:41 EDT Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.3e8eb842.2fe5c431_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:38:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1e0.3e8eb842.2fe5c431_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kris, Yeah, really good critical reviewers are rather hard to find in any field of art -- and I'm not just talking about plethora of writers of reality-deprived "puff pieces" out there who are unerringly positive boosters of whatever is going on in a given locality or those many, mean, conceited cranks that disdain almost everything and mostly write reviews as an excuse to talk about themselves. Finding a real writer with "big" enough ears to write cogently about a wide range of musical approaches and styles from a point of view of actual connoisseurship is a rare thing indeed. The dearth of "melodies" that the guy was complaining about seems to say more about HIS lack of understanding that "melody" is not limited to just the happy tunes that some performers leave an auduence humming (or whistling) as they leave the venue. The absence of "earth rhythms" says something similar about HIS inability to get his head around music that is not a slave to easy, toe-tapping grooves either. He obviously brought to the listening experience a well-formed expectation of those things and cannot conceive of good music that does not have them -- unless it's "meditative or spiritual fare." He doesn't particularly speak well of himself with the "abstract wandering" quip either. He is clearly someone who finds it hard to enjoy art outside of familiar, popular "art" structures -- like the verse-chorus-verse of most pop music. He's a person who always wants to know where he's going next before he gets there, who probably enjoys typical "Hollywood" endings to movies and likely sneaks a peak at the last couple of pages of a book before he begins reading at the beginning. He's affraid. He's uncomfortable not knowing where your "wandering" journey might take him. It's a similar sort of issue that your recording did not conclude each track with applause I think. His need for reassurance is greater than you need and desire for a pristine, hi-fidelity recording -- and his desire for "falling spoons" and clinking glasses would give him the illusion of "company" on the trip. Certainly what he enjoys is his prerogative -- as is what he writes about and reviews. There's not much you can do about that. His journalistic employment gives him a podium of sorts (whether he's qualified for it or not). As someone who has worked for four newspapers at various points in my life (not as a writer, but nevertheless as an office insider), entertainment and music review tasks rarely go to the most gifted or qualified persons. Outside of the really BIG CITY publications these slots are much-coveted "plum" jobs given to brown-nosers, nephews and girlfriends/boyfriends of bigger fish in the organizational pond. My recommendation to you Kris is to send your CD to some avant-jazz rag like CADENCE magazine (http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/cadencemagazine.html) or some other publication like that (unless you know someone inside at the NY or LA Times, et al). Those guys've got ears to hear what you're doing and are not averse to reviewing unknown artists from Boise, ID. Your music is worth it. Best of luck Ted Killian --part1_1e0.3e8eb842.2fe5c431_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

Yeah, really good critical reviewers are rather hard to find in any field of= art -- and I'm not just talking about plethora of writers of reality-depriv= ed "puff pieces" out there who are unerringly positive boosters of whatever=20= is going on in a given locality or those many, mean, conceited cranks that d= isdain almost everything and mostly write reviews as an excuse to talk about= themselves. Finding a real writer with "big" enough ears to write cogently=20= about a wide range of musical approaches and styles from a point of view of=20= actual connoisseurship is a rare thing indeed.

The dearth of "melodies" that the guy was complaining about seems to say=20= more about HIS lack of understanding that "melody" is not limited to just th= e happy tunes that some performers leave an auduence humming (or whistling)=20= as they leave the venue. The absence of "earth rhythms" says something simil= ar about HIS inability to get his head around music that is not a slave to e= asy, toe-tapping grooves either. He obviously brought to the listening exper= ience a well-formed expectation of those things and cannot conceive of good=20= music that does not have them -- unless it's "meditative or spiritual fare."=

He doesn't particularly speak well of himself with the "abstract wandering"=20= quip either. He is clearly someone who finds it hard to enjoy art outside of= familiar, popular "art" structures -- like the verse-chorus-verse of most p= op music. He's a person who always wants to know where he's going next befor= e he gets there, who probably enjoys typical "Hollywood" endings to movies a= nd likely sneaks a peak at the last couple of pages of a book before he begi= ns reading at the beginning. He's affraid. He's uncomfortable not knowing wh= ere your "wandering" journey might take him. It's a similar sort of issue th= at your recording did not conclude each track with applause I think. His nee= d for reassurance is greater than you need and desire for a pristine, hi-fid= elity recording -- and his desire for "falling spoons" and clinking glasses=20= would give him the illusion of "company" on the trip.

Certainly what he enjoys is his prerogative -- as is what he writes about an= d reviews. There's not much you can do about that. His journalistic employme= nt gives him a podium of sorts (whether he's qualified for it or not). As so= meone who has worked for four newspapers at various points in my life (not a= s a writer, but nevertheless as an office insider), entertainment and music=20= review tasks rarely go to the most gifted or qualified persons. Outside of t= he really BIG CITY publications these slots are much-coveted "plum" jobs giv= en to brown-nosers, nephews and girlfriends/boyfriends of bigger fish in the= organizational pond.

My recommendation to you Kris is to send your CD to some avant-jazz rag like= CADENCE magazine (http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/cadencemagazine.ht= ml) or some other publication like that (unless you know someone inside at t= he NY or LA Times, et al). Those guys've got ears to hear what you're doing=20= and are not averse to reviewing unknown artists from Boise, ID. Your music i= s worth it.

Best of luck

Ted Killian

 --part1_1e0.3e8eb842.2fe5c431_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 18 18:49:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC4B93BFD1; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57436.67EA8C58" Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:49:06 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A5F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV0NPzacr13L8yQTTWF5WqTdfIE7wAAUwXA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2005 18:49:07.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[6846E5E0:01C57436] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:49:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57436.67EA8C58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What can I say, Ted, your response requires no elaboration from me, as it is right on the money. Thanks for the support and the final recommendation! =20 =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Kris, Yeah, really good critical reviewers are rather hard to find in any field of art -- and I'm not just talking about plethora of writers of reality-deprived "puff pieces" out there who are unerringly positive boosters of whatever is going on in a given locality or those many, mean, conceited cranks that disdain almost everything and mostly write reviews as an excuse to talk about themselves. Finding a real writer with "big" enough ears to write cogently about a wide range of musical approaches and styles from a point of view of actual connoisseurship is a rare thing indeed.=20 The dearth of "melodies" that the guy was complaining about seems to say more about HIS lack of understanding that "melody" is not limited to just the happy tunes that some performers leave an auduence humming (or whistling) as they leave the venue. The absence of "earth rhythms" says something similar about HIS inability to get his head around music that is not a slave to easy, toe-tapping grooves either. He obviously brought to the listening experience a well-formed expectation of those things and cannot conceive of good music that does not have them -- unless it's "meditative or spiritual fare."=20 He doesn't particularly speak well of himself with the "abstract wandering" quip either. He is clearly someone who finds it hard to enjoy art outside of familiar, popular "art" structures -- like the verse-chorus-verse of most pop music. He's a person who always wants to know where he's going next before he gets there, who probably enjoys typical "Hollywood" endings to movies and likely sneaks a peak at the last couple of pages of a book before he begins reading at the beginning. He's affraid. He's uncomfortable not knowing where your "wandering" journey might take him. It's a similar sort of issue that your recording did not conclude each track with applause I think. His need for reassurance is greater than you need and desire for a pristine, hi-fidelity recording -- and his desire for "falling spoons" and clinking glasses would give him the illusion of "company" on the trip. Certainly what he enjoys is his prerogative -- as is what he writes about and reviews. There's not much you can do about that. His journalistic employment gives him a podium of sorts (whether he's qualified for it or not). As someone who has worked for four newspapers at various points in my life (not as a writer, but nevertheless as an office insider), entertainment and music review tasks rarely go to the most gifted or qualified persons. Outside of the really BIG CITY publications these slots are much-coveted "plum" jobs given to brown-nosers, nephews and girlfriends/boyfriends of bigger fish in the organizational pond. My recommendation to you Kris is to send your CD to some avant-jazz rag like CADENCE magazine (http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/cadencemagazine.html) or some other publication like that (unless you know someone inside at the NY or LA Times, et al). Those guys've got ears to hear what you're doing and are not averse to reviewing unknown artists from Boise, ID. Your music is worth it. Best of luck Ted Killian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57436.67EA8C58 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What can I say, Ted, your response requires no = elaboration=20 from me, as it is right on the money. Thanks for the support and the = final=20 recommendation! 
 
Kris
 

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 = 12:39=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: Why=20 I'm starting to loath news paper music critics

Kris,

Yeah, really good critical reviewers = are rather=20 hard to find in any field of art -- and I'm not just talking about = plethora of=20 writers of reality-deprived "puff pieces" out there who are unerringly = positive=20 boosters of whatever is going on in a given locality or those many, = mean,=20 conceited cranks that disdain almost everything and mostly write reviews = as an=20 excuse to talk about themselves. Finding a real writer with "big" enough = ears to=20 write cogently about a wide range of musical approaches and styles from = a point=20 of view of actual connoisseurship is a rare thing indeed. =

The dearth = of "melodies"=20 that the guy was complaining about seems to say more about HIS lack of=20 understanding that "melody" is not limited to just the happy tunes that = some=20 performers leave an auduence humming (or whistling) as they leave the = venue. The=20 absence of "earth rhythms" says something similar about HIS inability to = get his=20 head around music that is not a slave to easy, toe-tapping grooves = either. He=20 obviously brought to the listening experience a well-formed expectation = of those=20 things and cannot conceive of good music that does not have them -- = unless it's=20 "meditative or spiritual fare."

He doesn't particularly speak = well of=20 himself with the "abstract wandering" quip either. He is clearly someone = who=20 finds it hard to enjoy art outside of familiar, popular "art" structures = -- like=20 the verse-chorus-verse of most pop music. He's a person who always wants = to know=20 where he's going next before he gets there, who probably enjoys typical=20 "Hollywood" endings to movies and likely sneaks a peak at the last = couple of=20 pages of a book before he begins reading at the beginning. He's affraid. = He's=20 uncomfortable not knowing where your "wandering" journey might take him. = It's a=20 similar sort of issue that your recording did not conclude each track = with=20 applause I think. His need for reassurance is greater than you need and = desire=20 for a pristine, hi-fidelity recording -- and his desire for "falling = spoons" and=20 clinking glasses would give him the illusion of "company" on the=20 trip.

Certainly what he enjoys is his prerogative -- as is what = he writes=20 about and reviews. There's not much you can do about that. His = journalistic=20 employment gives him a podium of sorts (whether he's qualified for it or = not).=20 As someone who has worked for four newspapers at various points in my = life (not=20 as a writer, but nevertheless as an office insider), entertainment and = music=20 review tasks rarely go to the most gifted or qualified persons. Outside = of the=20 really BIG CITY publications these slots are much-coveted "plum" jobs = given to=20 brown-nosers, nephews and girlfriends/boyfriends of bigger fish in the=20 organizational pond.

My recommendation to you Kris is to send = your CD to=20 some avant-jazz rag like CADENCE magazine=20 (http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/cadencemagazine.html) or some = other=20 publication like that (unless you know someone inside at the NY or LA = Times, et=20 al). Those guys've got ears to hear what you're doing and are not averse = to=20 reviewing unknown artists from Boise, ID. Your music is worth = it.

Best of=20 luck

Ted Killian

 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57436.67EA8C58-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 18 20:22:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC0013BFE6; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:22:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcV0NPzacr13L8yQTTWF5WqTdfIE7wAAUwXAAAHsWOA= In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A5F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1DjjpT3NuS-0005e3@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:22:13 +0000 (UTC) I released 2 CDs at the same time. One had acoustic guitar looped to make normal-song-length renassance-inspired 'pretty music', the other one with 4 songs, each 16 mins, as ambient as you can get...just overlapping drones on guitar synth (also with looping). I sent them in to the big local arts paper. The reviewer, who normally reviews punky rock bands, loved the acoustic one. Here are some quotes from the ambient one, (which he hated): "The whole thing sounds like background music for computer-generated videos of prehistoric fish or gigantic, ponderously cruising spaceships." This, of course, made my day- I laughed so hard, and I include this in my press kit. Ironically, even after calling my fishy loops 'ponderously tedious', he gave both CDs 4 stars. I also include the star rating in my press kit. What I was looking for when I sent it in was a few words I could use- I knew enough of the reviewer to not expect raves, or even general admiration. Bad reviews don't discourage me- in this case, it made me sure I was on the right track- despite the reviewer's dislike for anything over 4 minutes, he *got* it. And I wasted a little over an hour of his time. I got a lot of CD orders from the reviews. For the first year out performing, I made up all my press quotes. Made up the papers, the tv and radio shows I was on. I made up slick reviewer names like 'Chip O'Donnel'. As I got more reviews, I replaced the fake ones with the real ones. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 18 21:21:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA90E3BFE6; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:21:12 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A64@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV0NPzacr13L8yQTTWF5WqTdfIE7wAAUwXAAAHsWOAAAvt40A== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2005 21:21:13.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7CB1280:01C5744B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:21:15 +0000 (UTC) > For the first year out performing, I made up all my press quotes. Made up the papers, the tv and radio shows I was on. I made up slick reviewer names like 'Chip O'Donnel'. As I got more reviews, I replaced the fake ones with the real ones. =20 Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com I like this...very clever. I wonder if one could get away w/ this w/ some intense free jazz, chaotic material....like cecil taylor, song x,, etc at least your reviewer "got it"'. After doing some research on mine and validation w/ other local musicians, I discovered the issue.....he suffers from neanderthalis criticalis. Common disorder I hear. In short, can't think outside of the box......duhhhhhh....you can't use ethnic percussion to play non-ethnic music.....dat ain't right in dem places in idaho. ;) K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 01:18:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D3043BFD6; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WFs0oYxv8cq6BKsgfouSougzyFI6VmAFBzELK3+P1GfgHACO1WUKLEPWzXndWIWE; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005601912390@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:23:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f2f9a02486ae25ed5ebf3d1fb327f856350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.164.54 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:18:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Kris! Sounds like he didn't think it through before typing the review. As for the lack of crowd noise (a la Brook's "Live at the Aquarium"), Lou Reed's "Rock 'n' Roll Animal" was all either very close miked or DI... but obviously the cheering crowd didn't make it to tape, so they had to import applause from...get this...a John Denver record! Maybe you should try that (LOL)! Seriously, you have a great disc, and everything of yours that I've heard is VERY melodic. But not everybody is going to "get" what we do... not even folks we think are simpatico. Your Pal, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Hartung, Kris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 6/18/2005 3:19:24 AM Subject: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Sorry to vent and display my artistic insecurity and defensiveness with my fellow looping comrades, but I just have to share this. I guess I'm feeling alone in a world of non-improvisational dominant music. This is why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics more and more. I wrote this email tonight and posted it on my website: http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm I'm starting to feel like Robert Fripp with my strung out and pedantic verbiage. Take this as you will, but this guy pissed me off, and it will probably make me never submit a CD to a news paper ever again, unless it has Britney Spears singing lead on it in the nude, with Paris Hilton on cello, and Pamela Anderson on maracas (in cut-time). I probably over-reacted...oh well, such is the life of an obsessive-compulsive. Kris ************************************************************************ Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Mojam Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu ng Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics
Hey Kris!
Sounds like he didn't think it through before typing the review.
As for the lack of crowd noise (a la Brook's "Live at the Aquarium"), Lou Reed's "Rock 'n' Roll Animal" was all either very close miked or DI... but obviously the cheering crowd didn't make it to tape, so they had to import applause from...get this...a John Denver record!
Maybe you should try that (LOL)!
Seriously, you have a great disc, and everything of yours that I've heard is VERY melodic.
But not everybody is going to "get" what we do... not even folks we think are simpatico.
Your Pal,
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 6/18/2005 3:19:24 AM
Subject: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics

Sorry to vent and display my artistic insecurity and defensiveness with my fellow looping comrades,
but I just have to share this. I guess I'm feeling alone in a world of non-improvisational dominant music.
This is why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics more and more. I wrote this email tonight and
posted it on my website:

http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm

I'm starting to feel like Robert Fripp with my strung out and pedantic verbiage. Take this as you will,
but this guy pissed me off, and it will probably make me never submit a CD to a news paper ever again,
unless it has Britney Spears singing lead on it in the nude, with Paris Hilton on cello, and Pamela
Anderson on maracas (in cut-time).  I probably over-reacted...oh well, such is the life of an obsessive-compulsive.

Kris


************************************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Mojam Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu
ng
Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm
Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm
37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm


------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 10:00:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48EA33BFE0; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00aa01c574b5$b9fbd9c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: l()()p.p()()l concert uploaded Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:00:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, For anyone who's interested, Sunao Inami made a really nice recording of my live looping concert at the OTOYA club in Kobe during my recent visit there. I uploaded it in mp3 form for anyone who wants to listen to it. It was a good show for me and one that was purposefully more abstract than others. www.looppool.info/JapanConcert/ hope you enjoy it. yours, Rick Walker aka l()()p.p()()l aka purple hand ps many thanks to Sunao for being so considerate in recording me. I didn't even know you did until a couple of days later. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 10:53:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5436A3BFE7; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DjjpT3NuS-0005e3@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKz5u-1DjjpT3NuS-0005e3@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A4B8812-266E-4D49-8939-439FB5AD1C88@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:53:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:53:53 +0000 (UTC) I once worked as a studio musician on a Swedish album by a "locally major" artist. I joined a week of day and all-nighter sessions on mainly electric guitar and I was strictly ordered by the producer to "not getting to know the tunes too well" because my role was to create "musical ornamentation" by improvising along the vocal lines. All musicians recorded at once and not much were overdubbed afterwards. My input came out quite well and everybody was pleased with the playful and somewhat impressionistic guitar fills. When the record was released one song became a hit and the album sold gold right away. One of the major magazines reviewed it and said that "hardly any guitar was used on the album - just a little acoustic strumming here and there". Very strange ;-) Maybe the guy took the Strat tone for a digital synth? Another time I did a gig with a band, playing our own collectively written music, and we got bashed in the press for "being dressed in black". Not a word about the music or the performance!!!! Stuff that like that has to happen, you just have to put up with it. Maybe take notes on "bad" writers and try to avoid them in the future. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 12:00:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4BB13BFE6; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:00:06 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A69@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV0vTVesB7SQyKoQPOpb2eMlBJa0gABNbrA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 12:00:09.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[70D26370:01C574C6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:00:10 +0000 (UTC) I guess it happens to everyone once in a while. It's just a shame that music journalists have come to be like this. Note, however, there are some very good music critics out there who sincerely care about giving potential listeners an accurate assessment of an artist or work, who actually do their homework and are able to compare and contrast, make factual, yet interesting statements about a work that may interest readers, etc. For example, I always thought Phil Elwood of the San Francisco Examiner was a great jazz music critic, and I saw him speak at the Lionel Hampton Jazz festival here in Northern Idaho...brilliant man, new his stuff, spoke with the authority of facts, and new how to separate his opinion from objective accounts, etc. Unfortunately, many critics let their job (typically thankless and low paying, which could contribute to their recalcitrant, coping mechanism behavior) and the sensationalist power to trash or exalt an artist or work go to their head; and their egos compel them to make gross generalizations, irrelevant comments that have nothing to do with the music (like your example below, Per), or attempt to get cute or snide with sarcasm or holier than though snootiness. And it's not just music journalists. I've seen articles in local newspapers that contained claims that were blatantly false because the journalists' were either too lazy to gather the real facts or they were projecting their own wishes or predictions as alleged fact.=20 One of my local music peers suggested something interesting, which was to get musicians together in my town to critique the music critics, forwarding an article for publication. Apparently, there are enough artists here (and no doubt everyone around the world) that can dredge up enough distain and refutations of local critics' work to actually prepare a formidable article. It is tempting, but I don't have the time. For now, I'll play the Taoism role and take the path of least resistance, let the critics be the jackasses that can be are and just ignore them like a rainy day. ;) And my final closing philosophical questions are: Are there musical facts, and what is their nature? What constitutes a musical fact about an artist or piece of work? If a critique says that an piece of musical work is horrible, is that a fact, or his own emotive response disguised in factual attire? Let's see what sort of Socratic reasoning we can get out of this topic.=20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 4:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics I once worked as a studio musician on a Swedish album by a "locally =20 major" artist. I joined a week of day and all-nighter sessions on =20 mainly electric guitar and I was strictly ordered by the producer to =20 "not getting to know the tunes too well" because my role was to =20 create "musical ornamentation" by improvising along the vocal lines. =20 All musicians recorded at once and not much were overdubbed =20 afterwards. My input came out quite well and everybody was pleased =20 with the playful and somewhat impressionistic guitar fills. When the =20 record was released one song became a hit and the album sold gold =20 right away. One of the major magazines reviewed it and said that =20 "hardly any guitar was used on the album - just a little acoustic =20 strumming here and there". Very strange ;-) Maybe the guy took the =20 Strat tone for a digital synth? Another time I did a gig with a band, playing our own collectively =20 written music, and we got bashed in the press for "being dressed in =20 black". Not a word about the music or the performance!!!! Stuff that like that has to happen, you just have to put up with it. =20 Maybe take notes on "bad" writers and try to avoid them in the future. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 14:34:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2033BFFC; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: l()()p.p()()l concert uploaded Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:34:10 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: l()()p.p()()l concert uploaded thread-index: AcV0tb9S9+SYMWIEQMyIFcs8UCSD8AAJaOCQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 14:34:13.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6774A80:01C574DB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rick! I am downloading & burning them to cd today k- -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 4:00 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: l()()p.p()()l concert uploaded Hi gang, For anyone who's interested, Sunao Inami made a really nice recording of my live looping concert at the OTOYA club in Kobe during my recent visit there. I uploaded it in mp3 form for anyone who wants to listen to it. It was a good show for me and one that was purposefully more abstract than=20 others. www.looppool.info/JapanConcert/ hope you enjoy it. yours, Rick Walker aka l()()p.p()()l aka purple hand ps many thanks to Sunao for being so considerate in recording me. I didn't=20 even know you did until a couple of days later.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 14:44:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74BC33BFFA; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=ETzcHhdAZkIYVwRWmFzHIuMhSKdqKMstLnaFa8OxX9HqPZiQ1nef7x64vV5pUg2E; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <32250d570678b0d2b288333958a8f32c@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle] Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:44:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9d336bf0cd0dda25654e8ee26f80da4a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:44:57 +0000 (UTC) More acoustic guitar looping in the Pacific Northwest. Actually, neither of these shows are in Seattle now that I think about it: Wednesday, June 22, 7PM Bay Street Coffeehouse (1302 Bay Street, Bellingham) A nice new acoustic venue in the old Stuart's Coffeehouse location. They also serve great cookies. Friday, June 24, 7PM, Flipside Coffeehouse (13317 Ne 175th St., Woodinville) And there's a couple of new mp3's on the website. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 14:49:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791D63BFFB; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Gig Spam [Seattle] Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:49:55 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gig Spam [Seattle] thread-index: AcV03XhYtWhMSklYS2GlG7QcqcjZiQAAGTOw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 14:49:58.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[29F15250:01C574DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Travis, when are you coming to Boise again? I'll come check you out. I'm trying to get ted here too to play w/ me. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle] More acoustic guitar looping in the Pacific Northwest. Actually, neither of these shows are in Seattle now that I think about=20 it: Wednesday, June 22, 7PM Bay Street Coffeehouse (1302 Bay Street,=20 Bellingham) A nice new acoustic venue in the old Stuart's Coffeehouse location. =20 They also serve great cookies. Friday, June 24, 7PM, Flipside Coffeehouse (13317 Ne 175th St.,=20 Woodinville) And there's a couple of new mp3's on the website. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 14:53:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73E9D3C003; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UPNNGOf6GmGeanWTOmppBS3CO3MEi2NEwml4xkA3Ye6ZDW0qbI2oqD1GpGXzpqpmegOIHxiURv1+AmbjCLbuAEZrvbaGWhS+qYxLAkup8U5UuJ+e8mz6rMAYCZ+r/kRXzRTxvnxRIdQawGjL6Utuu4LRDG2jDGz5AGVn/jjLCFg= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:53:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig Spam [Seattle] In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:53:40 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing at Kulture Klatsch on Friday the 22nd and Saturday the 23rd (brunch), and Smokey Mountain Pizza on the 24th. On 6/19/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Travis, when are you coming to Boise again? I'll come check you out. > I'm trying to get ted here too to play w/ me. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:45 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle] >=20 > More acoustic guitar looping in the Pacific Northwest. > Actually, neither of these shows are in Seattle now that I think about > it: >=20 > Wednesday, June 22, 7PM Bay Street Coffeehouse (1302 Bay Street, > Bellingham) > A nice new acoustic venue in the old Stuart's Coffeehouse > location. > They also serve great cookies. >=20 > Friday, June 24, 7PM, Flipside Coffeehouse (13317 Ne 175th St., > Woodinville) >=20 >=20 > And there's a couple of new mp3's on the website. >=20 >=20 > Be seeing you, >=20 > Travis >=20 > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* >=20 > The Official Travis Hartnett Website: > http://www.travishartnett.com >=20 > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:05:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17C13C007; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Gig Spam [Seattle] Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:05:07 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gig Spam [Seattle] thread-index: AcV03rEAFexCxo/bTi24xA5Om7F0TgAATXCA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 15:05:09.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[491BC460:01C574E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Cool, don't forget to submit your dates in the Boise Weekly calendar. Send the details to Amy Atkins, the music editor/director: amy@boiseweekly.com I'm putting them in my calendar now. What Smokey Mountain Pizza, there are several of them. The one on State street, a few blocks from my house? Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig Spam [Seattle] I'll be playing at Kulture Klatsch on Friday the 22nd and Saturday the 23rd (brunch), and Smokey Mountain Pizza on the 24th. On 6/19/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Travis, when are you coming to Boise again? I'll come check you out. > I'm trying to get ted here too to play w/ me. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:45 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle] >=20 > More acoustic guitar looping in the Pacific Northwest. > Actually, neither of these shows are in Seattle now that I think about > it: >=20 > Wednesday, June 22, 7PM Bay Street Coffeehouse (1302 Bay Street, > Bellingham) > A nice new acoustic venue in the old Stuart's Coffeehouse > location. > They also serve great cookies. >=20 > Friday, June 24, 7PM, Flipside Coffeehouse (13317 Ne 175th St., > Woodinville) >=20 >=20 > And there's a couple of new mp3's on the website. >=20 >=20 > Be seeing you, >=20 > Travis >=20 > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* >=20 > The Official Travis Hartnett Website: > http://www.travishartnett.com >=20 > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:06:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D3933C00A; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42B589F4.7010601@biink.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:06:28 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A69@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A69@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:06:15 +0000 (UTC) If they don't get it, I wouldn't even bother to reply. Here's the first little bit of press I got: http://laweekly.com/ink/02/26/live-mostrom.php ...and here's a letter someone wrote: http://laweekly.com/ink/02/29/letters.php (scroll down to the end) -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:06:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E90363C00C; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RQSg4Af+3S/9Vm0SkdKyyi/DMJ1a9FCqfARv2zXeLblDxTXKecGM3TDFTMG4FBkh2gR4O/6r9YA1zD1/4RZftxRoYSc2/+Xk3N4SHRMi8t2unXST++pe2nUuYOJyEIRlWRuOvJfSovSZdY16HtWT4XAWuc4xTPm3RLQuCK2uPOg= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:06:58 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig Spam [Seattle] In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:06:58 +0000 (UTC) BTW, this is all in July. Yeah, I believe it is the one just down the road from your house.=20 That's the one you pointed to me, as I recall. I sent Amy the details yesterday along with a CD so I can also get an insightful review with any luck... On 6/19/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Cool, don't forget to submit your dates in the Boise Weekly calendar. > Send the details to Amy Atkins, the music editor/director: > amy@boiseweekly.com >=20 > I'm putting them in my calendar now. What Smokey Mountain Pizza, there > are several of them. The one on State street, a few blocks from my > house? >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Gig Spam [Seattle] >=20 > I'll be playing at Kulture Klatsch on Friday the 22nd and Saturday the > 23rd (brunch), and Smokey Mountain Pizza on the 24th. >=20 > On 6/19/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > Travis, when are you coming to Boise again? I'll come check you out. > > I'm trying to get ted here too to play w/ me. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:45 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle] > > > > More acoustic guitar looping in the Pacific Northwest. > > Actually, neither of these shows are in Seattle now that I think about > > it: > > > > Wednesday, June 22, 7PM Bay Street Coffeehouse (1302 Bay Street, > > Bellingham) > > A nice new acoustic venue in the old Stuart's Coffeehouse > > location. > > They also serve great cookies. > > > > Friday, June 24, 7PM, Flipside Coffeehouse (13317 Ne 175th St., > > Woodinville) > > > > > > And there's a couple of new mp3's on the website. > > > > > > Be seeing you, > > > > Travis > > > > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* > > > > The Official Travis Hartnett Website: > > http://www.travishartnett.com > > > > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* > > > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:13:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D05B3C006; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:15:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A3B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A3B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Kris, I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it sounds, to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled "live at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:16:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B1E3C000; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bRSLNen/sZarhVq5s9IRd10MYUq0sm/N04e41pwD20NEC2+Vk1spqaIonQNovllgxTdANaezZfsOBWn1a2ciks7NpIKXqfKaIpR2YtVLFgqTjDnD8VL46UQ5zySfs7WveCxhu8kwF56DQYFdsOkeQW79xhIt+UXMdhmhqr0HjZM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:16:20 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A3B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:16:21 +0000 (UTC) I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on that opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with the two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like it was show in the Enormodome. I'd suggest remixing the album and adding in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects CD.... On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > Kris, >=20 > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it sounds, > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled "live > at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. >=20 > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! >=20 > -- >=20 > Ian Petersen >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:29:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 831C33C00B; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:29:01 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A70@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV04WNabMgsCk7tQC+yYo8cjG13uAAAZVsA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 15:29:04.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[A036EEC0:01C574E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Did you read my response? First of all, who gives a shit if I didn't have an audience and spoons dropping in the mix. It is about the music. That's my choice, not his to make a nit about it. Second, the comment about it not being meditative is way off base...as I have several reviewer comments and even gigs that contradict his statement. Sorry, my opinion here is that the guy was lazy and didn't do his research. My peers here locally all agree as well, and know of this guy's ways. Third, he clearly thought negatively of the fact that my percussionist used ethinc instruments but we weren't playing ethnic music, which is a myopic perspective in my opinion, I guess fusion doesn't exist in his mind. That's three counts to which I object. Hell yes, I think I had the right to be fumed and write the guy back, Kris -----Original Message----- From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Kris, I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that=20 review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything=20 that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it.=20 After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the=20 review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it sounds,=20 to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also=20 have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled "live=20 at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live=20 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! --=20 Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:32:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4024E3C009; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:32:06 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A71@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV04dp4eim8Y9n6R+SHP2Cvh9ymeQAAcbBg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 15:32:08.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DEDA210:01C574E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't have applause in the mix. That's asinine. Shit, I thought my blood pressure was finally down on this and now you guys are fucking my day up again. Sorry....bad night of sleeplessness with the twins. s Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on that opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with the two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like it was show in the Enormodome. I'd suggest remixing the album and adding in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects CD.... On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > Kris, >=20 > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it sounds, > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled "live > at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. >=20 > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! >=20 > -- >=20 > Ian Petersen >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:43:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69B843C00C; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42B592B6.3080006@biink.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:43:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A71@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A71@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Hartung, Kris wrote: >Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I >will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, >just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't >have applause in the mix. That's asinine. > Yep. Have a Happy Fathers Day Kris. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:44:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1460F3C014; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PPzB19TuYtegqtUXkFEmP1oz2zNzIZsADPS4VzA7w5z4OLkGVyr5duWZjGNTT0OyUGP+V0X1XQNxRoK8HM0Chh/fjuoyxEJuhmrtUoHbsyRB0971cmdpjfpHQH4Dm7pdc5WO1i9/Zh7mCyhi5jQ9+B6KVFpuKd11eXECe5ZQgNs= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:44:45 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A71@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A71@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC) No, I thought it'd be humorous! As would making a sample of someone obviously dropping a spoon on a tile floor and saying "Sorry!! Hey--do you guys have a restroom?" and dropping that in every forty-five seconds, punctuated with regular blasts of the steamer, to give it that true "live ambience" that some reviewers seem to crave... Which reminds me of a series of improv albums that some guy put out where he goes to a guitar store and asks to try out a distortion pedal, so they also provide a guitar and amp. Then he starts in with a loud feedback improv and secretly records the interaction with the employees and other customers until he's asked to leave. I believe they're all called "Free" (since he pays nothing for the gear, no admission is charged, and it's all free improv) in the native language of whatever country he was in at the time. Apparently on one of them, the staff took offense early one, so he tried to continue as quietly as possible while being chided by them. I remember the first review I read of "Metal Machine Music", which described it as something like "The most unlistenable album ever". I thought "I've GOT to find a copy of that...", so even a "negative" review from a conservative reviewer can clue in your potential audience who are probably familiar with the prejudices and preferences of the local writers. So, keep on trucking. Any press is good press! Travis On 6/19/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I > will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, > just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't > have applause in the mix. That's asinine. >=20 > Shit, I thought my blood pressure was finally down on this and now you > guys are fucking my day up again. Sorry....bad night of sleeplessness > with the twins. s >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics >=20 > I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on that > opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with the > two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like it > was show in the Enormodome. I'd suggest remixing the album and adding > in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects CD.... >=20 > On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > > Kris, > > > > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that > > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything > > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. > > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the > > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it > sounds, > > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also > > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled > "live > > at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live > > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. > > > > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! > > > > -- > > > > Ian Petersen > > > > > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 15:52:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6815E3C00C; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N0FaId6DWxxWhT/5ERD9cYDacUhOdmVR+LTp+t6PQuke6DA10l6apl/6BfX+9zbtlDRnuD7/rJlbNGsVKmfZkXEXVjgWNae1KBCp0V1PvYxg2r8VgOVD13//FxnzRhakNrEyVW/XjCyU9aK65XKkWV7pq1HflJq+Ex11BjVOanQ= Message-ID: <64b81a78050619085279ad0562@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:52:02 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: l()()p.p()()l concert uploaded In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A6B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the tracks sound great. Thanks for uploading them. :) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 16:15:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B1E3BF5F; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A73@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV05c5ztOIHcgWBQf2CrnX6wYV01wABCS8Q From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 16:15:54.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B6A6750:01C574EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Thank you. I had forgotten that this is my first father's day....the day is saved afterall. :Happy father;s day to all of your loopers out there with kids. Enjoy your Sunday and get off the computer. ;) Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Hartung, Kris wrote: >Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I >will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, >just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't >have applause in the mix. That's asinine. > Yep. Have a Happy Fathers Day Kris. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 16:22:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAFF43BEE6; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:22:26 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A74@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV05dJMZpPl0CKITQWf4Qj3JfTDNwABQCYg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 16:22:28.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[16400C80:01C574EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:22:29 +0000 (UTC) I agree...and even funnier to loop something like that! "Can you tell me where the restroom is... Can you tell me where the restroom is... Can you tell me where the restroom is... Can you tell me where the restroom is... Can you tell me where the restroom is... Can you tell me where the restroom is... Can you tell me where the restroom is... Can you tell me where the restroom is..." stutter, stutter, hit reverse button That is a funny story about the guy in the music store, very clever. K- -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics No, I thought it'd be humorous! As would making a sample of someone obviously dropping a spoon on a tile floor and saying "Sorry!! Hey--do you guys have a restroom?" and dropping that in every forty-five seconds, punctuated with regular blasts of the steamer, to give it that true "live ambience" that some reviewers seem to crave... Which reminds me of a series of improv albums that some guy put out where he goes to a guitar store and asks to try out a distortion pedal, so they also provide a guitar and amp. Then he starts in with a loud feedback improv and secretly records the interaction with the employees and other customers until he's asked to leave. I believe they're all called "Free" (since he pays nothing for the gear, no admission is charged, and it's all free improv) in the native language of whatever country he was in at the time. Apparently on one of them, the staff took offense early one, so he tried to continue as quietly as possible while being chided by them. I remember the first review I read of "Metal Machine Music", which described it as something like "The most unlistenable album ever". I thought "I've GOT to find a copy of that...", so even a "negative" review from a conservative reviewer can clue in your potential audience who are probably familiar with the prejudices and preferences of the local writers. So, keep on trucking. Any press is good press! Travis On 6/19/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I > will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, > just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't > have applause in the mix. That's asinine. >=20 > Shit, I thought my blood pressure was finally down on this and now you > guys are fucking my day up again. Sorry....bad night of sleeplessness > with the twins. s >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics >=20 > I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on that > opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with the > two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like it > was show in the Enormodome. I'd suggest remixing the album and adding > in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects CD.... >=20 > On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > > Kris, > > > > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that > > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything > > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. > > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the > > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it > sounds, > > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also > > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled > "live > > at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live > > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. > > > > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! > > > > -- > > > > Ian Petersen > > > > > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 18:47:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8B303BFEE; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:49:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A70@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A70@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Kris, > Did you read my response? Yes. > First of all, who gives a shit if I didn't > have an audience and spoons dropping in the mix. It is about the music. Out of all the infinite possible titles for the CD you chose "Live at the Kulture Klatsch". To me, that indicates that the 'liveness' is important. So important as to be the defining element of the title. Obviously, the music is the important thing on a CD, but it would be naïve to believe it exists in a vacuum. As soon as you give a CD a title and a cover then you establish a frame of reference for the music - you 'set the scene', so to speak. A title such as "Live at ... " has a massive amount of cultural baggage that, like it or not, creates expectations in the listener that the CD does not apparently deliver on. > Second, the comment > about it not being meditative is way off base...as I have several > reviewer comments and even gigs that contradict his statement. So what? So different people have different conceptions of what 'meditative' music sounds like. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone of any musical maturity that the boundaries of a given musical genre are indistinct and essentially subjective. FWIW, 'Meditative' isn't the first adjective that springs to my mind either ... > Third, he clearly thought negatively of the fact that my percussionist > used ethinc instruments but we weren't playing ethnic music That interpretation certainly isn't clear to me. I suppose you mean his comment that "despite the use of ethnic instruments, there are no earth rhythms". I understand that comment to be about the lack of 'psuedo-ethnic' musical clichés in your music. In other words - a compliment! When you send a CD - or any creative work - out into 'the wild' you have to accept that it will have to fend for itself on its own terms. You can't sit down beside every single listener and instruct them on the 'correct' way to listen to your music. There is always going to be as many interpretations (or misinterpretations if you will) of your work as there are people who hear your music. Isn't that part of the pleasure of making and listening to music: The fantastic range of emotions and interpretations a single piece of music can embody in different people? Again, the review gave me an idea of what sort of music to expect. On listening to the actual music I found those expectations to be largely fulfilled. That, to me, is a good review! Now that probably makes me a cretin and musical ignoramous in your eyes, but perhaps you should consider the possibility that your music isn't actually communicating what you think it's communicating ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 18:58:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23FD73BFEE; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KOUY0fRbGIQyvNXMuMokm4brFN3OmU6aqpcHy9APBIiclJdpB0JCP+TA/SDfILr5lA5jRhxC2IvX2b0esw7dPc1HsyJrmLVHmbuO1HQm3NYk3tokcWhPei2z4nLgfzE8OlHqjGugo9pNmPQDzoisYhZyrvf/k1IwSGMk/TfKrYc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:58:25 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A70@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:58:26 +0000 (UTC) On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > (or misinterpretations if you will) of your work as > Since when is "I don't like your shit" misinterpretation =3D) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 19:31:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605523BFFD; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 19 Jun 2005 16:56:46 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:56:46 -0500 Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050619165646.6331786B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Opinion alert: Music is about communication. Pure communication is only p= ossible between equals (and therefore impossible....noone is=20 truly equal in knowledge base, desires, intellect, social power, etc.). If= one desires to communicate via music, the best one can hope for is=20 that someone on the receiving end will have enough in common with you to un= derstand and appreciate what you are doing. Often people=20 only get part of what you are doing. Often, that is enough. Part of the p= rocess of being a perfoming musician is *finding* your audience.=20=20 That involves playing for lots of people who will not care for what you do.= Would it be any better if a reviewer totally misunderstood your=20 music but loved it?=20=20 As for "music" critics discussing how a performer dresses. Yeah, I've expe= rienced that one too. Understandable when you realize that=20 "music" critics are often really "scene" critics in disguise. Critics are, by temperment, quite often of the personality style that truly= believes music can be objectively good or bad. I had the=20 pleasure to spend the better part of and evening drunkenly debating with a = local critic at a party once. I put forth the argument that=20 Madonna was not objectively "better" than Shakespeare. Oh, I agreed that I = personally preferred Shakespeare to Madonna. But I=20 understood that that was a personal preference of mine. He finally left an= gry, unable to logically explain what he felt so deeply to be true:=20 that Shakespeare was objectively "better" than Madonna. I was him in high school, vigorous in my assertion that Led Zeppelin was th= e pinnacle and that Kraftwerk could hardly really be called=20 "music". I mean, come on, the computer is playing most of it. I'm rambling. I apologize. Haven't had morning coffee yet. Joe PS: Frank Zappa: "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing= people who can't talk, for people who can't read."=20=20 Not sure exactly how or if that applies to this discussion, but it makes me= laugh anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:32:06 -0600 >=20 > Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I > will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, > just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't > have applause in the mix. That's asinine. >=20 > Shit, I thought my blood pressure was finally down on this and now you > guys are fucking my day up again. Sorry....bad night of sleeplessness > with the twins. s >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics >=20 > I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on that > opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with the > two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like it > was show in the Enormodome. I'd suggest remixing the album and adding > in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects CD.... >=20 > On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > > Kris, > > > > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that > > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything > > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. > > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the > > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it > sounds, > > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also > > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled > "live > > at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live > > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. > > > > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! > > > > -- > > > > Ian Petersen > > > > > > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 20:14:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211933BFFF; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:13:59 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A7E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV0/2YefD/C4UsoSum7OA0jLf1E9gABmZUg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 20:14:01.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F195B70:01C5750B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:14:03 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Kris, > Did you read my response? Yes. > First of all, who gives a shit if I didn't=20 > have an audience and spoons dropping in the mix. It is about the = music. >>Out of all the infinite possible titles for the CD you chose "Live at = the=20 >>Kulture Klatsch". To me, that indicates that the 'liveness' is = important.=20 "To me" is the operative and relative term here . I choose why the term = "live" is important, and I chose so for reasons I shouldn't have to = elaborate here. It's my business how and why I title my CDs, not for = you to second guess or impose upon me. >>So important as to be the defining element of the title. Obviously, = the=20 music is the important thing on a CD, but it would be na=EFve to believe = it=20 exists in a vacuum. As soon as you give a CD a title and a cover then = you=20 establish a frame of reference for the music - you 'set the scene', so = to=20 speak. A title such as "Live at ... " has a massive amount of cultural=20 baggage that, like it or not, creates expectations in the listener that=20 the CD does not apparently deliver on. You are making an assumption. I used the term "live" because the CD was = "recorded" live at a venue, and for me (not you or any aspect of = cultural baggage), this has special meaning, such as that it was = recorded in one take, involved some observation or interaction with the = audience, and so on. YOU do not define how I choose to the term "live" = on my CD, and using the term does not logically imply, nor does it = obligate me to capture audience applause at the end of each song. That = is all the explaining I require to offer here. You have not demonstrated = that this imiplication exists. Or are you saying I should yield to your = interpretation as the objective gospel? > Second, the comment=20 > about it not being meditative is way off base...as I have several=20 > reviewer comments and even gigs that contradict his statement. >>So what? So different people have different conceptions of what=20 'meditative' music sounds like. It shouldn't come as a surprise to = anyone=20 of any musical maturity that the boundaries of a given musical genre are = indistinct and essentially subjective. FWIW, 'Meditative' isn't the = first=20 adjective that springs to my mind either ... Exactly, then eat your own medicine and apply that logic to the CD title = topic. Each person has a different perspective of what the term "live" = means for a CD title, you and I being the first and most obvious = conflicting cases here. You want to conveniently use your concept of = something for one argument, then not be consistent in another matter. = What game board are you playing on now?=20 > Third, he clearly thought negatively of the fact that my percussionist = > used ethinc instruments but we weren't playing ethnic music >>That interpretation certainly isn't clear to me. I suppose you mean = his=20 comment that "despite the use of ethnic instruments, there are no earth=20 rhythms". I understand that comment to be about the lack of=20 'psuedo-ethnic' musical clich=E9s in your music. In other words - a=20 compliment! If you knew the reviewer, you might not make this assumption. Either = assumption, that it is negative or positive, is not clear, agreed; = though I believe I have the lead here since I know who this reviewer is, = his reputation, and have collaboration from other musicians in the area. = >> When you send a CD - or any creative work - out into 'the wild' you = have=20 to accept that it will have to fend for itself on its own terms. You=20 can't sit down beside every single listener and instruct them on the=20 'correct' way to listen to your music. There is always going to be as=20 many interpretations (or misinterpretations if you will) of your work as = there are people who hear your music. Isn't that part of the pleasure of = making and listening to music: The fantastic range of emotions and=20 interpretations a single piece of music can embody in different people? Again, eat your own medicine, sir. If there are so many interpretations, = then why are you complaining about the term "live" in the title? = Obviously, people have a right to their own interpretations. This is not = about that, but about making comments that correspond to fact, vs. = qualifying subjective and emotive statements. >> Again, the review gave me an idea of what sort of music to expect.=20 And without ever listening to the CD, you may have thought that it had = no tangible melody, and that it had no meditative or spiritual fare. And = that is where your argument fails. >> On listening to the actual music I found those expectations to be = largely=20 fulfilled. That, to me, is a good review! Now that probably makes me a=20 cretin and musical ignoramous in your eyes, but perhaps you should=20 consider the possibility that your music isn't actually communicating=20 what you think it's communicating ... I music evaluation, when the critic is not conveying objective facts, = they may be expressing how they feel about a piece of music. In the case = of this review (Larry), he states that the CD has no tangible melody in = a matter of fact way, yet doesn't quality that this is how he feels or = is a result of his unique definition of melody...yet another reviewer of = that CD says: "Love what you are doing here, its fidgety, tense and dramatically = melodic at points. The sound is very precise as well, never meandering = into a bad place. Good stuff, drt" Larry says that the music does not have spiritual or meditative far, = again in a matter of fact manner, yet yoga instructors and people who = practice yoga and meditation have bought this CD exactly for this = purpose. So which is it? Are we taking about objective facts or the way people = feel about a piece of music or CD? Do you get it now? Or will you assume = that critic himself is immune from having to clarify his thoughts and = feelings about music vs. stating facts. Your argument has been quite un-convincing too me and seemingly flawed = based on the counter-examples I have provided. Good day. Kris --=20 Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 20:18:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB4313BFFC; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:18:07 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A7F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV1BXZ6RIq6hDyGRfy2Hz2a1dJUdgABh0Vg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 20:18:09.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[02C6D690:01C5750C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:18:10 +0000 (UTC) > Critics are, by temperment, quite often of the personality style that truly believes music can be objectively good or bad.=20 Bingo! > I had the pleasure to spend the better part of and evening drunkenly debating with a local critic at a party once. I put forth the argument that=20 Madonna was not objectively "better" than Shakespeare. Oh, I agreed that I personally preferred Shakespeare to Madonna. But I=20 understood that that was a personal preference of mine. He finally left angry, unable to logically explain what he felt so deeply to be true:=20 that Shakespeare was objectively "better" than Madonna. You articulated exactly what I was explaining in prior response about saying a piece of music has no tangible melody or no meditative or spiritual fare. Objective fact or personal preference? On the meditative factor, how would one go about proving this to be an objective fact, that it is or isn't for someone. Can't be done; hence why say it in a matter of fact fashion in a review? >> I was him in high school, vigorous in my assertion that Led Zeppelin was the pinnacle and that Kraftwerk could hardly really be called=20 "music". I mean, come on, the computer is playing most of it. >> I'm rambling. I apologize. Haven't had morning coffee yet. Very good and concise rambling, I might add. Joe PS: Frank Zappa: "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." =20 Not sure exactly how or if that applies to this discussion, but it makes me laugh anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:32:06 -0600 >=20 > Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I > will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, > just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't > have applause in the mix. That's asinine. >=20 > Shit, I thought my blood pressure was finally down on this and now you > guys are fucking my day up again. Sorry....bad night of sleeplessness > with the twins. s >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics >=20 > I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on that > opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with the > two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like it > was show in the Enormodome. I'd suggest remixing the album and adding > in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects CD.... >=20 > On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > > Kris, > > > > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that > > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything > > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. > > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the > > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it > sounds, > > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also > > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled > "live > > at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live > > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. > > > > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! > > > > -- > > > > Ian Petersen > > > > > > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 19 20:28:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36AFA3BFF9; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5750D.610E6C2E" Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:27:56 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A80@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV1BXZ6RIq6hDyGRfy2Hz2a1dJUdgABrGKA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2005 20:27:58.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[61F5A3C0:01C5750D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:28:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5750D.610E6C2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Additional thought....sometimes music critics claim what amounts to saying "red is better than blue" in a matter of fact fashion, when in fact they are not being clear and meaning "I like red better than blue". A poor critic is one who can't discern the difference between articulate claims about ones feelings vs. factual claims about external events, objects, or states of affairs. For this critic of mine to say that an entire CD has no tangible melody is a claim about how he feels about the music on the CD, yet clearly this links suggests there are other games in town: =20 http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&rls=3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-16,GGLD:e= n&oi=3D defmore&q=3Ddefine:melody =20 =20 Certainly one of these 28 definitions of melody means that I can say my CD does have tangible melodies. Hence, your point is proven: communication is the key, and many music critics are poor communicators. =20 Now if a critic says, the musician states in his CD sleave that he played a song based on the original sheet music, yet he can verify that this is not the case, then he is entitled to say that the musician did not play the song as it was written in the original sheet music. And in this case it would seem silly to say, I feel that he didn't play the song as it as written in the original sheet music. Either he played the notes as they were written, or he didn't. Now whether a person gets meditative value out of a song is entirely his own affair, not subject to an external objective claim. =20 Kris =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics =20 Opinion alert: Music is about communication. Pure communication is only possible between equals (and therefore impossible....noone is=20 truly equal in knowledge base, desires, intellect, social power, etc.). If one desires to communicate via music, the best one can hope for is=20 that someone on the receiving end will have enough in common with you to understand and appreciate what you are doing. Often people=20 only get part of what you are doing. Often, that is enough. Part of the process of being a perfoming musician is *finding* your audience. =20 That involves playing for lots of people who will not care for what you do. Would it be any better if a reviewer totally misunderstood your=20 music but loved it? =20 =20 As for "music" critics discussing how a performer dresses. Yeah, I've experienced that one too. Understandable when you realize that=20 "music" critics are often really "scene" critics in disguise. =20 Critics are, by temperment, quite often of the personality style that truly believes music can be objectively good or bad. I had the=20 pleasure to spend the better part of and evening drunkenly debating with a local critic at a party once. I put forth the argument that=20 Madonna was not objectively "better" than Shakespeare. Oh, I agreed that I personally preferred Shakespeare to Madonna. But I=20 understood that that was a personal preference of mine. He finally left angry, unable to logically explain what he felt so deeply to be true:=20 that Shakespeare was objectively "better" than Madonna. =20 I was him in high school, vigorous in my assertion that Led Zeppelin was the pinnacle and that Kraftwerk could hardly really be called=20 "music". I mean, come on, the computer is playing most of it. =20 I'm rambling. I apologize. Haven't had morning coffee yet. =20 Joe =20 PS: Frank Zappa: "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." =20 Not sure exactly how or if that applies to this discussion, but it makes me laugh anyway. =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:32:06 -0600 =20 >=20 > Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, I > will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of crap, > just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, but I didn't > have applause in the mix. That's asinine. >=20 > Shit, I thought my blood pressure was finally down on this and now you > guys are fucking my day up again. Sorry....bad night of sleeplessness > with the twins. s >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics >=20 > I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on that > opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with the > two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like it > was show in the Enormodome. I'd suggest remixing the album and adding > in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects CD.... >=20 > On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > > Kris, > > > > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over that > > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see anything > > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in it. > > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say the > > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - it > sounds, > > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I also > > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD entitled > "live > > at ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of the live > > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons etc. > > > > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. Sorry! > > > > -- > > > > Ian Petersen > > > > > > =20 --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! 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Additional thought....sometimes music critics claim what amounts to saying = "red is better than blue" in a matter of fact fashion, when in fact they = are not being clear and meaning "I like red better than blue". A poor = critic is one who can't discern the difference between articulate claims about = ones feelings vs. factual claims about external events, objects, or states of affairs.  For this critic of mine to say that an entire CD has no = tangible melody is a claim about how he feels about the music on the CD, yet = clearly this links suggests there are other games in town:

 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D= &rls=3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-16,GGLD:en&oi=3Ddefmore&q=3Ddefine:melo= dy

 

Certainly one of these 28 definitions of melody means that I can say my CD does = have tangible melodies. Hence, your point is proven: communication is the = key, and many music critics are poor communicators.

 

Now if a critic says, the musician states in his CD sleave that he played a = song based on the original sheet music, yet he can verify that this is not = the case, then he is entitled to say that the musician did not play the song as it = was written in the original sheet music.  And in this case it would seem silly = to say, I feel that he didn't play the song as it as written in the original = sheet music. Either he played the notes as they were written, or he didn't. = Now whether a person gets meditative value out of a song is entirely his own affair, not subject to an external objective claim.

 

Kris

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:57 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music = critics

 

Opinion alert:  Music is about communication.  Pure communication is = only possible between equals (and therefore impossible....noone is =

truly equal in knowledge base, desires, intellect, social power, etc.).  = If one desires to communicate via music, the best one can hope for is =

that someone on the receiving end will have enough in common with you to = understand and appreciate what you are doing.  Often people

only get part of what you are doing.  Often, that is enough.  Part = of the process of being a perfoming musician is *finding* your audience.  =

That involves playing for lots of people who will not care for what you = do.  Would it be any better if a reviewer totally misunderstood your =

music but loved it? 

 

As for "music" critics discussing how a performer dresses.  = Yeah, I've experienced that one too.  Understandable when you realize = that

"music" critics are often really "scene" critics in = disguise.

 

Critics are, by temperment, quite often of the personality style that truly = believes music can be objectively good or bad.  I had the

pleasure to spend the better part of and evening drunkenly debating with a local = critic at a party once.  I put forth the argument that

Madonna was not objectively "better" than Shakespeare. Oh, I agreed = that I personally preferred Shakespeare to Madonna.  But I =

understood that that was a personal preference of mine.  He finally left = angry, unable to logically explain what he felt so deeply to be true: =

that Shakespeare was objectively "better" than = Madonna.

 

I was him in high school, vigorous in my assertion that Led Zeppelin was = the pinnacle and that Kraftwerk could hardly really be called =

"music".  I mean, come on, the computer is playing most of it.

 

I'm rambling.  I apologize.  Haven't had morning coffee = yet.

 

Joe

 

PS:  Frank Zappa:  "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't = read." 

Not sure exactly how or if that applies to this discussion, but it makes me = laugh anyway.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Hartung, Kris" <kris.hartung@hp.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics

Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:32:06 -0600

 

>

> Yeah, then be accused by another reviewer of being deceitful....again, = I

> will put my faith in the music. I'm going to yield to this sort of = crap,

> just to address a nit, that the word "live" is in my title, = but I didn't

> have applause in the mix. That's asinine.

>

> Shit, I thought my blood pressure was finally down on this and now = you

> guys are fucking my day up again. Sorry....bad night of = sleeplessness

> with the twins. s

>

> Kris

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Travis Hartnett = [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]

> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:16 AM

> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

> Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music = critics

>

> I believe there was a Mick Karn album that David Torn played on = that

> opened with a big rock type number (as much as it would be with = the

> two of them), and they'd added in crowd noise to make it sound like = it

> was show in the Enormodome.  I'd suggest remixing the album and = adding

> in huge waves of stadium applause from a sound effects = CD....

>

> On 6/19/05, Ian Petersen <iep@mail.dk> wrote:

> > Kris,

> >

> > I have to say I really don't understand your displeasure over = that

> > review. I've just read the review in question and don't see = anything

> > that can be construed as particularly derogatory or misleading in = it.

> > After listening to the samples of the CD on SoundClick I'd say = the

> > review is a quite fair and accurate portrayal of the music - = it

> sounds,

> > to me, pretty much as I would expect from reading the review. I = also

> > have to admit I rather agree with the reviewer that a CD = entitled

> "live

> > at  ... whatever" should indeed have some indication of = the live

> > 'ambience' including audience response, falling spoons = etc.

> >

> > All in all, I'd be pretty well-chuffed by such a review. = Sorry!

> >

> > --

> >

> >   Ian Petersen

> >

> >

> >

 

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In a message dated 6/19/05 3:00:48 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:

For anyone who's inte= rested,=A0 Sunao Inami made a really nice recording of my
live looping concert at the OTOYA club in Kobe during my recent visit there.=

Very fun listening. You were obviously having a good time. It shows.

Best,

Ted

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For example (and of particular relevance to this thread when you see who the reviewer was!), last October Krispen Hartung wrote the following brief review of a piece I recorded several years ago: "The backdrop in the beginning of the song is beautiful....and the bass groove that eventually comes in is very tasteful and catchy, almost old Terje Rypdal sound in nature. Nice! Give me more of this and some "outside" melodic work on the top and I'll be in ecstasy. Nice job." Now, eight months later, when I re-read that I see it as a decidedly positive review, much better than the tune deserved. All the adjectives are glowing: 'beautiful', 'tasteful', 'catchy' and not one, but TWO instances of 'nice'. The Rypdal mention is right on target, for I enjoy and respect his music very much. Moreover (and most importantly) the listener enjoyed listening; mission accomplished. I guess... Then why was I somewhat irked when I first read Krispen's review? Context. You see, prior to recording the tune to which Krispen was referring, the majority of my press reviews had resulted from a period when I'd been the lead guitarist for a much more commercially-oriented group, a band in which I was usually seen by critics to be the 'outside' one. While there was a fair amount of praise for the originality of my approach and the off-kilter edge my parts gave to what in their eyes would have been just another early 90's 'alternative power pop' act, there were just as many critics who slammed me for coloring outside the lines, using such nice words as 'gratuitous' and 'pretentious'. When I recorded the piece that Krispen heard, my head was miles away from wanting to put on a lot of guitar solos; at the time I was more interested in texture and atmosphere, doing things that I wasn't already known for. So when I read his review, replete with the conditions to which I should comply in order that he "be in ecstasy", it was easy for me to overlook all the nice things he'd written and feel that he hadn't "gotten it" because he would have preferred more " 'outside' melodic work on the top'... At the time, I felt "Well, gee, if I'd wanted to do that, I WOULD have!", feeling that I was certainly capable of doing so had I chosen to, and that I was a misunderstood artíste. It reminded me of some comments Brian Eno had made re: critics and the influence of his well-meaning audience on his music's content which may be found at As far as good/bad critical response, I used to get a kick out of juxtaposing completely contradictory reviews in my press kit. :P -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 01:24:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4433BF89; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6YA9fhmrGVJqc8hsrdbeChMX+WtmjojDUgPpY4kJDBowQmuuMBsXb+6sTIzs6RZPQXXPoa0uyStukLYBABbK5Fe2SBHBfKUwdaC+jlzP6Imb8O3lpphStNNg6QYdfbyj9ZbcBlbRjr4fVhJEDYrJatDbfB7P40PhFcTNu7IIdlM= ; Message-ID: <20050620012411.57501.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050620011559.93679.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, because of the frames, the link doesn't make it all the way to Eno's letter. When you get to the page in the link, click on "Contacting Eno"... It's the "Exhibit 1" part... -t- --- Tim Nelson wrote: >It reminded me of some comments Brian Eno > had > made re: critics and the influence of his > well-meaning > audience on his music's content which may be found > at > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 01:47:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07DC73BFD6; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:47:27 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A85@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV1NaLite0fFuIhQPquerox/OD3+AAAmZfg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2005 01:47:30.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[054973E0:01C5753A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Good point, Tim. We all sometimes want others' subjective responses to = our music to be in alignment with our subjective feelings. It's an "I'm = okay, you're okay" situation. =20 I bet you would have been really irked if I had said): "The backdrop in the beginning of the song is decent, but somewhat = watered down as if the artist is attempting to emulate Robert Fripp's = Soundscapes, but unsuccessfully so...and the bass groove that eventually = comes in is tasteful, but too low in the mix. Not too bad. The song has = too much inside melodic work for this particular genre." Note the cute snootiness injected within the half-assed positive remarks = and the matter of fact claim about the song having too much melodic = work, as if this were some universal truth.=20 But back to the communication issue Joe pointed out, or the lack = thereof, even I fall guilty of making a subjective claim sound matter of = fact, but in this case it was a positive claim - " The backdrop in the = beginning of the song is beautiful" vs. "The backdrop of this song fills = me with a sense of beauty." Of course, it is much less awkward to speak = as if stating external facts, eh? As if a piece of a song has the = inherent property of beauty, like I can analyze the song, find notes, = pitch, etc...and then POOF, there appears beauty, as if digging it up in = an archeological dig. :) Your juxtaposition point below validates that those claims which = contradict each other are likely subjective claims about one's emotive = response to your work, rather than a factual claim about the work = itself. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics It's funny how our response to a critique of our own work often has more to do with how we'd *like* the piece to be interpreted/understood than with whether or not the reviewer is actually panning or praising it. For example (and of particular relevance to this thread when you see who the reviewer was!), last October Krispen Hartung wrote the following brief review of a piece I recorded several years ago: "The backdrop in the beginning of the song is beautiful....and the bass groove that eventually comes in is very tasteful and catchy, almost old Terje Rypdal sound in nature. Nice! Give me more of this and some "outside" melodic work on the top and I'll be in ecstasy. Nice job." Now, eight months later, when I re-read that I see it as a decidedly positive review, much better than the tune deserved. All the adjectives are glowing: 'beautiful', 'tasteful', 'catchy' and not one, but TWO instances of 'nice'. The Rypdal mention is right on target, for I enjoy and respect his music very much. Moreover (and most importantly) the listener enjoyed listening; mission accomplished. I guess... Then why was I somewhat irked when I first read Krispen's review? Context. You see, prior to recording the tune to which Krispen was referring, the majority of my press reviews had resulted from a period when I'd been the lead guitarist for a much more commercially-oriented group, a band in which I was usually seen by critics to be the 'outside' one. While there was a fair amount of praise for the originality of my approach and the off-kilter edge my parts gave to what in their eyes would have been just another early 90's 'alternative power pop' act, there were just as many critics who slammed me for coloring outside the lines, using such nice words as 'gratuitous' and 'pretentious'. When I recorded the piece that Krispen heard, my head was miles away from wanting to put on a lot of guitar solos; at the time I was more interested in texture and atmosphere, doing things that I wasn't already known for. So when I read his review, replete with the conditions to which I should comply in order that he "be in ecstasy", it was easy for me to overlook all the nice things he'd written and feel that he hadn't "gotten it" because he would have preferred more " 'outside' melodic work on the top'... At the time, I felt "Well, gee, if I'd wanted to do that, I WOULD have!", feeling that I was certainly capable of doing so had I chosen to, and that I was a misunderstood art=EDste. It reminded me of some comments Brian Eno had made re: critics and the influence of his well-meaning audience on his music's content which may be found at As far as good/bad critical response, I used to get a kick out of juxtaposing completely contradictory reviews in my press kit. :P -t- =09 __________________________________=20 Do you Yahoo!?=20 Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.=20 http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 02:08:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47FCC3BFD6; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <89ba528031d8087405abc940f94db3dc@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: marty simonsen Subject: Get over it Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:08:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Frank Sinatra once said that critics were the one's that came in after the war and then shot the wounded. You can't expect........... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 02:47:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3695F3BF83; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3RU1j7/swlJOVZ6fgNXgjtJdmnnCGKGHzHCLTfzF4JA4rOZc9544ctfM4fB647Eb0kFFf9NESnF35V+ftqpRLv1PN9frKVCjxvsZ7s39r4hv4Iq8Pd70G85piiX/BgxQ6aWjF1GRdiZklwvUrEMClLEX5ChlI1Sd4At3TZlBhhg= ; Message-ID: <20050620024754.26027.qmail@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:47:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A85@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:47:55 +0000 (UTC) --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > I bet you would have been really irked if I had > said): > "The backdrop in the beginning of the song is > decent, but somewhat watered down as if the artist > is attempting to emulate Robert Fripp's Soundscapes, > but unsuccessfully so...and the bass groove that > eventually comes in is tasteful, but too low in the > mix. Not too bad. The song has too much inside > melodic work for this particular genre." I dunno, most of those criticisms would have probably been more accurate* (except for the Fripp part; if I'd been aping a Soundscape, I would have had to do a lot more whooooshing sounds...:)) *Definition of 'accurate': "In accordance with my OWN opinion." But I think what many of us object to most about certain critics is the way they posit themselves as the Voice of Authority, as you point out, using their opinion as a substitute for objectivity and possibly tainting/coloring the experience of listeners who've read their comments. "It MUST be true; I read it in the newspaper." One of my old bands was once reviewed by a critic who complained in a magazine about our vocalist's "phony British accent"; it wasn't until about a year later that we found out that his assessment hinged on ONE misheard word in ONE song. (He thought the word 'glossy' [as in a photographic print surface] was actually 'glassy' pronounced a la Greg Lake...) But a number of people at our shows who'd read the review afterwards made comments like "You know, I'd never noticed that before, but he DOES pronounce some of his words like that!", and he ended up being a bit self-conscious about it. It's one thing if the reviewer is slamming the artist for poor musicianship or shoddily crafted songs, but it's another story altogether if their opinion is informed by ignorance or through (mis)interpretation of things often having little to do with the music itself. > Your juxtaposition point below validates that those > claims which contradict each other are likely > subjective claims about one's emotive response to > your work, rather than a factual claim about the > work itself. Absolutely. The strategy we took by including the bad ones alongside the good ones in the press kit addressed the natural curiosity that controversy stirs up. If the opinions of Critic A and Critic B differ so substantially, there's a natural tendency to want to hear the album/see the band's show to find out for yourself what all the fuss is about. As no less a pundit than Gene Simmons once said (something like): "I don't care WHAT the critics are writing about me. I just care that they ARE writing about me." -t- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 03:11:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D38943BF8A; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:11:24 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088AA5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV1QnxOYB2tUmhGTN6gCnBTckxEkQAAPsrg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2005 03:11:26.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF047220:01C57545] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:11:27 +0000 (UTC) I dunno either...these days, I've been contemplating this music evaluation thing more and more, and I am about to the point to where I'll only make damn certain factual claims about a person's music, or only positive subjective claims. The negative subjective claims are just so painful for my ego, and although I can get on my mean streaks (like what I did with that critic who made pseudo factual claims about my music), I always regret what I say and feel something less than a decent human being....I'll admit it - my feelings get hurt easily despite my thin austere veneer exterior. We used to have a music critic here in Boise who said if he didn't have anything good to day, he wouldn't say anything at all....he wrote some of the most crafty reviews that were insightful and sensitive. And he substantiated his factual claims. It is hard, however....it's a skill that I'll have to work on constantly for the rest of my life. Yes, what you say about the Voice of Authority below is right on the money. It urks me too...seems haughty and indignant. It's a power trip for some critics...the ability to slam and deface a musician in the public eye and get away with it. And I don't know about the rest of you, but it is the non-musicians who sometimes make the most ignorant claims about artists' music. Speaking of musician quotes regarding reviewers....here's one from Fripp: "In our actions we reveal the world in which we live. We speak of what we see, and understand, and know. That is, everything we do is reflective of who and what we are. A musician presents a view from the world in which they live. This provides an opportunity for an audience to look into this world. Similarly a reviewer reviews himself or herself." - Robert Fripp Kris -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > I bet you would have been really irked if I had > said):=20 > "The backdrop in the beginning of the song is > decent, but somewhat watered down as if the artist > is attempting to emulate Robert Fripp's Soundscapes, > but unsuccessfully so...and the bass groove that > eventually comes in is tasteful, but too low in the > mix. Not too bad. The song has too much inside > melodic work for this particular genre." I dunno, most of those criticisms would have probably been more accurate* (except for the Fripp part; if I'd been aping a Soundscape, I would have had to do a lot more whooooshing sounds...:)) *Definition of 'accurate': "In accordance with my OWN opinion." But I think what many of us object to most about certain critics is the way they posit themselves as the Voice of Authority, as you point out, using their opinion as a substitute for objectivity and possibly tainting/coloring the experience of listeners who've read their comments. "It MUST be true; I read it in the newspaper." One of my old bands was once reviewed by a critic who complained in a magazine about our vocalist's "phony British accent"; it wasn't until about a year later that we found out that his assessment hinged on ONE misheard word in ONE song. (He thought the word 'glossy' [as in a photographic print surface] was actually 'glassy' pronounced a la Greg Lake...) But a number of people at our shows who'd read the review afterwards made comments like "You know, I'd never noticed that before, but he DOES pronounce some of his words like that!", and he ended up being a bit self-conscious about it. It's one thing if the reviewer is slamming the artist for poor musicianship or shoddily crafted songs, but it's another story altogether if their opinion is informed by ignorance or through (mis)interpretation of things often having little to do with the music itself. > Your juxtaposition point below validates that those > claims which contradict each other are likely > subjective claims about one's emotive response to > your work, rather than a factual claim about the > work itself. Absolutely. The strategy we took by including the bad ones alongside the good ones in the press kit addressed the natural curiosity that controversy stirs up. If the opinions of Critic A and Critic B differ so substantially, there's a natural tendency to want to hear the album/see the band's show to find out for yourself what all the fuss is about. As no less a pundit than Gene Simmons once said (something like): "I don't care WHAT the critics are writing about me. I just care that they ARE writing about me." -t- =09 ____________________________________________________=20 Yahoo! Sports=20 Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football=20 http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 04:50:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9883BF89; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents The Ministry of Inside Things Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:53:11 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <001801c57553$f5ef8e60$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:50:11 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This TUESDAY June 21st - The Ministry of Inside Things with General Chaos Visuals The Ministry of Inside Things (electronic musician Chuck van Zyl and electric guitarist Art Cohen) are considered among the most innovative of US synthesists today. Influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel, their spacemusic has been described as linear, leading the listener across many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry of Inside Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme, with the experience often lasting up to two hours. Through use of textures and atmospheres as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an internal sonic excursion. Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music & performing in public for over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best known for hosting one of the US's most successful radio shows of electronic music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create soundworlds of immense depth and beauty. General Chaos Visuals will be adding additional dimensions to the performance with their hypnotic analog light paintings. MoIT: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~chuckv/pr2.html General Chaos: http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "Belladona" by Daniel Lanois Not precisely ambient, but unquestionably beautiful, this brand new instrumental album from producer extraordinaire Daniel Lanois is rooted in his gently expressive pedal-steel guitar. http://www.daniellanois.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday June 28th - Rob Piilonen with Todd Pearson and Nick Storring with Rose Bolton, Michael Dobinson & Michael Keith Nick Storring: http://www.nickstorring.com Rose Bolton: http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/rosienobars.htm Michael Dobinson: http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/mikeynobars.htm Michael Keith: http://p3.hostingprod.com/@alexiteric.com/michaelkeith.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Wednesday June 15th saw the end of an unexpected heatwave: just as the crushing humidity and smog dissipated, two of Toronto's acclaimed musical innovators arrived to play THE AMBiENT PiNG. True to form, Pholde and John Kameel Farah presented sound art that pushed the boundaries between music and noise and music and science respectively. Pholde (Alan Bloor aka Knurl) performed the first set on a new metal sound sculpture. Although it appeared to be a simpler version of his welded instruments, Bloor pointed out that he "can get more out of this sculpture" than many of his more elaborate ones. The sculpture created for this show was constructed out of a piece of metal grating ( approximately 1/2" meshing) with metal flanges. Contact mics were attached to the metal meshing and effects pedals were used to manipulate the sound. Bloor played his instrument with metal files and tubes. Although billed as an underwater experience, the primary sound effect was subterranean, much like travelling through American poet Muriel Rukeyser's "Caves of Ajanta." The underwater element was most evident in those sections of the concert with a Gavin Bryers feel. Pholde's distincitve sound is one that gets under your skin with its atmospheric ambience. Always intriguing, the concert engaged the sympathy [as in sympathetic nervous system] of the audience by evoking feelings of tension and an expectation of resolution. Scott M2, a PiNG organizer, commented on the delicate harmonics achieved by Pholde during the quieter passages of this evening's performance. Accompanying John Kameel Farah's performance on his laptop and Nord Lead 3 synth in the 2nd set were visuals by U of T astronomy prof, John Dubinski. Based on the real physics of galaxies, Dubinski's images of galaxies colliding broached the science-art divide. Farah and Dubinski have worked together over the past year preparing a DVD scheduled for release in the fall of 2005. Using a super-computing technique, Dubinski's visuals follow the motions of the stars. Farah composed a series of soundscapes for Dubinski's video images that traverse the aural range of glitchy moments to fluttering drones and spacey atmospherics with a textural dimension. Likening his "reality-based art" to the interactions of the stars, Dubinsky points out that the visuals follow the spiral forms and patterns using numerical depictions of events in nature. Dubinski has created a computer program that predicts the interaction of natural phenomena, noting that while "reality is more random," this program explores how gravity can sculpt beautiful forms and patterns. More information can be found at: www.pholde.com www.johnfarah.com and http://www.cita.utoronto.ca/~dubinski/ Luna Tec - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Body Cage", the latest release by Aidan Baker's project Nadia, is a fascinating piece of work influenced by the condition Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva, a rare illness where muscles and connective tissue slowly turn to bone ultimately causing immobility. By way of slowly buidling tension, a sense of dread and unease, the disc succinctly and powerfully captures the fear of one's body slowly becoming a prison. Powerful and emotive, "Body Cage" is most certainly an example of uneasy listening. "Clinodactyl" begins the disc, a slow expansion from minimal sound sources gradually building in strength as the song progresses, ultimately becoming a wall of sound, a dark monolith of droning feedback and percussion. It's frightening piece, but a truly beautiful one nonetheless. "Autosomal" follows, opening with a writhing snake-like piece of guitar work playing overtop a sparse hi hat rhythm that gradually evolves into a percussive barrage. As I listen to it I can't help but feel this is a track that truly captures a feeling of claustrophobia, one that encapsulates all the phobia inherent in that state of mind. Chilling. The final track "Ossification" begins with a repeated arpegio loop and an alternately climbing and receding drone. As the piece progresses, tones shift and mutate around eachother, weaving and interplaying in subtle ways to become something completely different from it's original component pieces. Throughtout the disc, one can't help but feel the gradual loss of control of the body, the slow imprisonment that comes from progression, a sense of sheer helplessness. Aidan Baker has proven himself in the past to have a tremendous ability to create music that leads his listeners in terms of sensation and experience. With "Body Cage" he has progressed beyond that level of talent and added a physical component as well. Truly a moving and emotional work from a master manipulator of the senses. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 08:01:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D019B3BFF9; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008301c5756e$4edc4d00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: l()()p.p()()l concert uploaded Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:01:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Ted Killian wrote: "Very fun listening. You were obviously having a good time. It shows." Yeah, Ted, this last tour was the most enjoyable tour I've ever had in my life which says a lot because I've done a lot of touring. The artists I played with were inspiring and had the same wonderful communally supportive spirit that I've come to associate with the live looping community. My hosts were amazing (Sunao, Aci and Haru) and they just completely took care of me........ferrying me around, buying me meals, etc. It was like a dream come true. I'm actually thinking of release a new CD that will be these tracks (with perhaps a little bit of judicious editing) and the wonderful show I did at the Firenze Live Looping Festival. I especially like what I had going on the second half of track #5. I'm just loving using the SUB function on the EDP and playing modal tonalities so that the substitutions are quantized to 8th notes. It starts out so abstract and suddenly it's a groove. I have to thank good old Andre LaFosse for hipping me to that technique a long time ago. One of my favorite shows he ever did was where he recorded a whole bunch of very quick loops and then retriggered them with and old Roland drum machine that had no sounds. It was like jungle for a melodic instrument instead of drums. Thanks for the inspiration, Dre. thanks for you graciousness, Ted. I'm really looking forward to your performance here in Santa Cruz at the next 2nd Sundays Live Looping Series. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 12:45:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC3BF3BF83; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1119271501!25165388!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A18D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: jamman | bob sellon software Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:46:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57596.0EBF7620" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57596.0EBF7620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i'm thinking of downloading bob sellon's jamman enhancement rom. i believe the rom is in .bin format and my old eprom burner will only read .hex files. does anyone know how to convert the file to make it work. also, is anyone using the sellon v4 rom? i'd love any feedback on it. i'm mostly interested in using the extra 3 button footswitch functions...<< adam- I bought the roms from bob for my band's two jammans; saves a bit of hassle/doubt. also you get a copy of bob's own cd, the "eyebeast variations", which is very entertaining, especially in this context. you should know in advance that lexicon &/or their appointed agents will have nothing to do with your jamman after the upgrade. actually, they won't fix it for you now anyway, so that's moot. it will work best with two three-button footswitches- you get access to a bunch of extra features, including a sort of workaround-type undo feature. multiple simultaneous loops & stereo positioning are possible. of course, this is a bit useless if you've only got the stock memory- you'll need the 32 second expansion to take meaningful advantage of having several loops going at once. they have to be the same length as each other. my favourite feature is being able to go back & forth between looping & delay mode. but I found the changes to the front panel very confusing, & I couldn't in any conscience put these mods in front of my guitarist. he's too set in his ways. so I gave up on it before getting too deeply into the new features, & reverted to the stock software. shame- bob had some good ideas, but the hardware is just barely up to it (memory capacity especially) & the front panel does a good job of obscuring the whole process. (this means I have at least one spare rom.) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57596.0EBF7620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: jamman | bob sellon software

>>i'm thinking of downloading bob sellon's jamman e= nhancement rom. i
believe the rom is in .bin format and my old eprom burne= r will only
read .hex files. does anyone know how to convert the fil= e to make it
work.

also, is anyone using the sellon v4 rom? i'd love any fee= dback on it.
i'm mostly interested in using the extra 3 button footsw= itch
functions...<<

adam- I bought the roms from bob for my band's two jamman= s; saves a bit of hassle/doubt. also you get a copy of bob's own cd, the &q= uot;eyebeast variations", which is very entertaining, especially in th= is context.

you should know in advance that lexicon &/or their ap= pointed agents will have nothing to do with your jamman after the upgrade. = actually, they won't fix it for you now anyway, so that's moot.

it will work best with two three-button footswitches- you= get access to a bunch of extra features, including a sort of workaround-ty= pe undo feature. multiple simultaneous loops & stereo positioning are p= ossible. of course, this is a bit useless if you've only got the stock memo= ry- you'll need the 32 second expansion to take meaningful advantage of hav= ing several loops going at once. they have to be the same length as each ot= her.

my favourite feature is being able to go back & forth= between looping & delay mode.

but I found the changes to the front panel very confusing= , & I couldn't in any conscience put these mods in front of my guitaris= t. he's too set in his ways. so I gave up on it before getting too deeply i= nto the new features, & reverted to the stock software. shame- bob had = some good ideas, but the hardware is just barely up to it (memory capacity = especially) & the front panel does a good job of obscuring the whole pr= ocess.

(this means I have at least one spare rom.)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C57596.0EBF7620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 15:33:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEE6E3BF71; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A18D@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A18D@lon-oxmail02> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:33:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: jamman | bob sellon software Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) At 1:46 PM +0100 6/20/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>i'm thinking of downloading bob sellon's jamman enhancement rom. i >believe the rom is in .bin format and my old eprom burner will only >read .hex files. does anyone know how to convert the file to make it >work. > >also, is anyone using the sellon v4 rom? i'd love any feedback on it. >i'm mostly interested in using the extra 3 button footswitch >functions...<< > >adam- I bought the roms from bob for my band's two jammans; saves a >bit of hassle/doubt. also you get a copy of bob's own cd, the >"eyebeast variations", which is very entertaining, especially in >this context. > >you should know in advance that lexicon &/or their appointed agents >will have nothing to do with your jamman after the upgrade. >actually, they won't fix it for you now anyway, so that's moot. > >it will work best with two three-button footswitches- you get access >to a bunch of extra features, including a sort of workaround-type >undo feature. multiple simultaneous loops & stereo positioning are >possible. of course, this is a bit useless if you've only got the >stock memory- you'll need the 32 second expansion to take meaningful >advantage of having several loops going at once. they have to be the >same length as each other. > >my favourite feature is being able to go back & forth between >looping & delay mode. > >but I found the changes to the front panel very confusing, & I >couldn't in any conscience put these mods in front of my guitarist. >he's too set in his ways. so I gave up on it before getting too >deeply into the new features, & reverted to the stock software. >shame- bob had some good ideas, but the hardware is just barely up >to it (memory capacity especially) & the front panel does a good job >of obscuring the whole process. > >(this means I have at least one spare rom.) > >duncan/r.m.i. I have been using Bob's ROM for quite a while now and I have to say that I would never go back. The front panel is very confusing, so I use a Behringer FCB1010 to control the thing. Using MIDI is really the only way to go with this. At first I tried the 3 button footswitch and it worked OK, but you only get a small amount of what's available. I would recommend using the FCB1010 or some other MIDI pedal where you can control what each switch is sending. Trying to map the program changes inside the Jamman is fairly frustrating. What would be very cool is a computer based editor for this, but I would no idea how to go about doing this. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 19:11:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C143BFC6; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:13:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A7E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A7E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <_6XQJD.A.DuG.rTxtCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Kris, > It's my business how and why I title my > CDs, not for you to second guess or impose upon me. I don't want to impose anything on you. Far from it. You are of course free to name your CDs in any way you see fit. But I - and any other listener - must surely be entitled to interpret said title in any way we see fit based on cultural baggage, intelligence or lack thereof. > I used the term "live" because the CD was "recorded" live at a > venue, and for me (not you or any aspect of cultural baggage), this > has special meaning, such as that it was recorded in one take, > involved some observation or interaction with the audience, and > so on. Fine. But I only know that because you are able to tell me now 'in person', so to speak. That explanation is not explicit in the work itself - and won't be available to the majority of your potential listeners - and is thus open to (mis)interpretation. > YOU do not define how I choose to the term "live" on my CD No, but I define how I choose to interpret it. > nor does it obligate me to capture audience applause at the end of each song. No, of course not. That is just one of many potential expectations I, as listener (with cultural baggage etc.) have on reading a title such as "Live at ..". Note, there is no value judgement here, just the observation that I don't necessarily 'get' what you mean by the title without your subsequent explanation. > Each person has a different perspective of what the term "live" > means for a CD title, [ ... ] You want to conveniently use your concept > of something for one argument, then not be consistent in another > matter. Sorry, I don't follow you here. My conception of both 'live' and 'meditative' are primarily subjective but obviously influenced by 'cultural baggage' or whatever we want to call it. As is yours or anyone else's. If you accept that our conceptions are subjective how can you, at the same time, still imply that your conception is the only 'correct' one? No matter how many others regard your music as 'meditative' doesn't make it objective fact. > In the case of this review (Larry), he states that the CD has no > tangible melody in a matter of fact way, yet doesn't quality that > this is how he feels or is a result of his unique definition of > melody In the context of what is apparently a mainstream popular local 'arts' paper I think the definition of melody is likely closer to 'something you can whistle in the bath' than any other more esoteric definition. In that context I'd agree with the reviewer that the music has little, if any, tangible 'melody'. You yourself have posted a link to a page with a couple of dozen definitions of 'melody'. Lots of possible interpretations there ... We seem to be arguing about objective fact contra subjective opinion, and who gets to define the terms. I am firmly of the opinion that no artist can reasonably expect to make the 'rules' as to how his work is interpreted by his audience. The work must stand by itself or not at all. If you feel your work is misinterpreted then its your job as artist to make sure it doesn't get misinterpreted next time. You do that by making better art, not by crying 'foul' at the audience. Cheers -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 19:32:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA0E3BF43; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C575CE.D3333842" Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath/feel sorry for news paper music critics Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:32:40 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088BF8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath/feel sorry for news paper music critics thread-index: AcV1y+dytsssBZasRR2rJPqN+JJGMgAAIxjw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2005 19:32:42.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[D37F1140:01C575CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:32:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575CE.D3333842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [massive snip]....sorry, twin duty calls. > In the case of this review (Larry), he states that the CD has no=20 > tangible melody in a matter of fact way, yet doesn't quality that this > is how he feels or is a result of his unique definition of melody >>In the context of what is apparently a mainstream popular local 'arts' paper I think the definition of melody is likely closer to 'something you can whistle in the bath' than any other more esoteric definition. In that context I'd agree with the reviewer that the music has little, if any, tangible 'melody'. You yourself have posted a link to a page with a couple of dozen definitions of 'melody'. Lots of possible interpretations there ... Exactomundo. I'm willing to consummate here with this cross-section agreement. The Hoi Polloi rules popular, common denominator interpretation, as it has for over 2000 years. Such is why Socrates drank the hemlock, as described the Apology. Such is life. Of course, the reviewer of my CD is a musician, and should have known better. It was just a cursory review, no research, no phone call, just a quick and dirty sketch without elaboration, and definitely not expecting me to bight off his head. That being said, below are additional reviews (10) of the same CD. Interesting how none of them urked me like the one in the paper....back to Seseme Street again: "One of these things (people) is not like the other, one of these things (people) is not the same....ladidada..." It's in the language and attitude. There were even some minor disagreements in these reviews...didn't really bother me though. The way they were communicated help me understand that they were personal preference, rather than subjective claims disguised as matter of fact, or worse yet holier than thou ejaculation of drivel from the mouth (cripes, did I just say that? Whoops) >> We seem to be arguing about objective fact contra subjective opinion, and who gets to define the terms. I am firmly of the opinion that no artist can reasonably expect to make the 'rules' as to how his work is interpreted by his audience. The work must stand by itself or not at all.=20 Agreed. >> If you feel your work is misinterpreted then its your job as artist to make sure it doesn't get misinterpreted next time. You do that by making better art, not by crying 'foul' at the audience. That's what the inside sleeve of my CD is for... ;) Perhaps the review never read it. K- "Live at the Kulture Klatsch" Reviews Hello Again (from Mixposure - Review of the song Artificial Reprise) "Love what you are doing here, its fidgety, tense and dramatically melodic at points. The sound is very precise as well, never meandering into a bad place. Good stuff, drt" ************************************************************************ ******** "Keep up the good work!" - HEADSTONE (http://www.soundclick.com/headstone) ************************************************************************ ******** "Altitude is an amazing recording. Love the build of the performance. Really sweet stuff! Guitar parts are spicey, jazzy and I love it all." - Ed Drury (http://www.soundclick.com/eddrury)=20 ************************************************************************ ******** Great One! (from Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train) "Percussion is great. Very impressive song!" - Oxygenic ************************************************************************ ******** Another Great Track (from Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train "Once again, you amaze and astound with your looping prowess. The percussion adds just he right ambience to your sonic explorations...What a cool atmospheric piece of music." - Valkir=20 ************************************************************************ ******** Crystal Clear (from Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train "Wow! i love the sound of that guitar!" - Fiddlerblue ************************************************************************ ******** Sweet Man! (from Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train I'm LOVING this tune... another HIGH-END talent joins in th' MIX! & it's not just the splendid guitar, but also the percussion that will hold the listener spellbound. A most calming effect on the psyche, & instant recognition by the ear (of true talent). I give this one a MOST HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, as well as a Zzaj "PICK"! - Zzaj Productions=20 ************************************************************************ ******** ;o) (from Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train "There's some tension in the almost droning acoustic guitar. The tension is amplified by those jungle drums. I can't really see a space train to this. More like a jungle. A group of 18th century discoverers are sailing through a river in the jungle for the first time. The mood onboard is relaxed, and one of the crewman is playing guitar. But there's more, various unplacable drum sounds are coming from the dence forest. A scene like that. A shriek from an unkown beast. And again. Thats a flute isn't it ? Cool sound. Another shriek and another shriek, maybe the crew gets a little scary now, what kind of bird is this ? hehe.5:14 more scary effects maybe it's becoming night. Those sounds remind me of night anyway." - Treeman ************************************************************************ ******** Nice (from Mixposure - Review of the song Swim "Wierd, melodic and rythmnic as it is it captured my attention right away. That high bleep isn't disturbing but it's a wierd element to combine with that relaxing acoustic guitar jingle's that are heard in the back. Maybe turn down the volume of that sound a bit. The drumming is mystic, and seems to fade in and out at random times, adding little crescendo's. I think this track slowly intesifies as it progresses and I'm glad the acoustic guitar part is louder now. Very relaxing, chilling out. This track writes a story in my mind about me relaxing in the sun, smoking a pure joint ( no tabacco, that sucks !), near the sea. When the THC starts to take it's effect, there's a car who is driving back and I'm hearing this '' reverse alarm '' bigger cars usually have. Trippy & warm ( sand ). I'm listening it again. And again." - Treeman ************************************************************************ ******** Hypnotic (from Mixposure - Review of the song Swim "That repeating high acoustic chord is like a clock ticking, hypnotic and pulsing, the percussion as always is just awesome. I love the patterns you play over this...melodic and a nice structure. Don't know why you called this swim but no matter, it is a pleasing piece." - Valkir=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575CE.D3333842 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Why I'm starting to loath/feel sorry for news paper music = critics

[massive = snip]....sorry, twin duty calls.

> In the case = of this review (Larry), he states that the CD has no
> tangible = melody in a matter of fact way, yet doesn't quality that this =
> is how he = feels or is a result of his unique definition of melody

>>In the = context of what is apparently a mainstream popular local 'arts' paper I = think the definition of melody is likely closer to 'something you can = whistle in the bath' than any other more esoteric definition. In that = context I'd agree with the reviewer that the music has little, if any, = tangible 'melody'. You yourself have posted a link to a page with a = couple of dozen definitions of 'melody'. Lots of possible = interpretations there ...

Exactomundo. I'm = willing to consummate here with this cross-section agreement.  The = Hoi Polloi rules popular, common denominator interpretation, as it has = for over 2000 years. Such is why Socrates drank the hemlock, as = described the Apology. Such is life. Of course, the reviewer of my = CD  is a musician, and should have known better.  It was just = a cursory review, no research, no phone call, just a quick and dirty = sketch without elaboration, and definitely not expecting me to bight off = his head. That being said, below are additional reviews (10) of = the same CD. Interesting how = none of them urked me like the one in the paper….back to Seseme = Street again: "One of these things (people) is not like the other, = one of these things (people) is not the = same….ladidada…" It's in the language and attitude. = There were even some minor disagreements in these = reviews…didn’t really bother me though. The way they were = communicated help me understand that they were personal preference, = rather than subjective claims disguised as matter of fact, or worse yet = holier than thou ejaculation of drivel from the mouth (cripes, did I = just say that? Whoops)

>> We seem = to be arguing about objective fact contra subjective opinion, and who = gets to define the terms. I am firmly of the opinion that no artist can = reasonably expect to make the 'rules' as to how his work is interpreted = by his audience. The work must stand by itself or not at all. =

Agreed.

>> If you = feel your work is misinterpreted then its your job as artist to make = sure it doesn't get misinterpreted next time. You do that by making = better art, not by crying 'foul' at the audience.

That's what = the inside sleeve of my CD is for... ;) Perhaps the review never read it.

K-

"Live at the Kulture Klatsch" = Reviews

Hello Again (from = Mixposure - Review of the song Artificial Reprise)

"Love what = you are doing here, its fidgety, tense and dramatically melodic at = points. The sound is very precise as well, never meandering into a bad = place. Good stuff, drt"

**********************************************************= **********************

"Keep up the = good work!" - HEADSTONE (http://www.soundclick.com/headstone<= SPAN LANG=3D"en-us">)

**********************************************************= **********************

"Altitude is = an amazing recording. Love the build of the performance. Really sweet = stuff! Guitar parts are spicey, jazzy and I love it all." - Ed = Drury (http://www.soundclick.com/eddrury)


**********************************************************= **********************

Great One! (from = Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train)

"Percussion = is great. Very impressive song!" - Oxygenic

**********************************************************= **********************

Another Great = Track (from Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train

"Once again, = you amaze and astound with your looping prowess. The percussion adds = just he right ambience to your sonic explorations...What a cool = atmospheric piece of music." - Valkir

**********************************************************= **********************

Crystal Clear = (from Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train

"Wow! i love = the sound of that guitar!" - Fiddlerblue

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Sweet Man! (from = Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train

I'm LOVING this = tune... another HIGH-END talent joins in th' MIX! & it's not just = the splendid guitar, but also the percussion that will hold the listener = spellbound. A most calming effect on the psyche, & instant = recognition by the ear (of true talent). I give this one a MOST HIGHLY = RECOMMENDED, as well as a Zzaj "PICK"! - Zzaj Productions =

**********************************************************= **********************

;o) (from = Mixposure - Review of the song Space Train

"There's some = tension in the almost droning acoustic guitar. The tension is amplified = by those jungle drums. I can't really see a space train to this. More = like a jungle. A group of 18th century discoverers are sailing through a = river in the jungle for the first time. The mood onboard is relaxed, and = one of the crewman is playing guitar. But there's more, various = unplacable drum sounds are coming from the dence forest. A scene like = that. A shriek from an unkown beast. And again. Thats a flute isn't it ? = Cool sound. Another shriek and another shriek, maybe the crew gets a = little scary now, what kind of bird is this ? hehe.5:14 more scary = effects maybe it's becoming night. Those sounds remind me of night = anyway." - Treeman

**********************************************************= **********************

Nice (from = Mixposure - Review of the song Swim

"Wierd, = melodic and rythmnic as it is it captured my attention right away. That = high bleep isn't disturbing but it's a wierd element to combine with = that relaxing acoustic guitar jingle's that are heard in the back. Maybe = turn down the volume of that sound a bit. The drumming is mystic, and = seems to fade in and out at random times, adding little crescendo's. I = think this track slowly intesifies as it progresses and I'm glad the = acoustic guitar part is louder now. Very relaxing, chilling out. This = track writes a story in my mind about me relaxing in the sun, smoking a = pure joint ( no tabacco, that sucks !), near the sea. When the THC = starts to take it's effect, there's a car who is driving back and I'm = hearing this '' reverse alarm '' bigger cars usually have. Trippy & = warm ( sand ). I'm listening it again. And again." - = Treeman

**********************************************************= **********************

Hypnotic (from = Mixposure - Review of the song Swim

"That = repeating high acoustic chord is like a clock ticking, hypnotic and = pulsing, the percussion as always is just awesome. I love the patterns = you play over this...melodic and a nice structure. Don't know why you = called this swim but no matter, it is a pleasing piece." - Valkir =

------_=_NextPart_001_01C575CE.D3333842-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 19:41:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E22A73BF61; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1119296510!23500419!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19A@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: jamman | bob sellon software Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:43:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C575D0.4B179050" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:41:52 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575D0.4B179050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have been using Bob's ROM for quite a while now and I have to say that I would never go back. The front panel is very confusing, so I use a Behringer FCB1010 to control the thing. Using MIDI is really the only way to go with this. At first I tried the 3 button footswitch and it worked OK, but you only get a small amount of what's available. I would recommend using the FCB1010 or some other MIDI pedal where you can control what each switch is sending. Trying to map the program changes inside the Jamman is fairly frustrating. What would be very cool is a computer based editor for this, but I would no idea how to go about doing this.<< edwin- thanks for that. I hadn't looked into the revised midi implementation properly. in fact, I have an fcb1010 currently unused so I'll give this a go. I don't suppose you could provide a sysex dump of your fcb1010 setup? :-) have you added the novram to it aswell? I'll still have a spare rom anyway, since my guitarist will not want his jamman upgrading no matter how clever it gets. the problem is that he can't perform a similar upgrade on himself! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575D0.4B179050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: jamman | bob sellon software

>>I have been using Bob's ROM for quite a while now= and I have to say
that I would never go back. The front panel is very conf= using, so I
use a Behringer FCB1010 to control the thing. Using MIDI= is really
the only way to go with this. At first I tried the 3 but= ton
footswitch and it worked OK, but you only get a small am= ount of
what's available.

I would recommend using the FCB1010 or some other MIDI pe= dal where
you can control what each switch is sending. Trying to m= ap the
program changes inside the Jamman is fairly frustrating.= What would
be very cool is a computer based editor for this, but I = would no idea
how to go about doing this.<<

edwin- thanks for that. I hadn't looked into the revised = midi implementation properly. in fact, I have an fcb1010 currently unused s= o I'll give this a go.

I don't suppose you could provide a sysex dump of your fc= b1010 setup? :-)

have you added the novram to it aswell?

I'll still have a spare rom anyway, since my guitarist wi= ll not want his jamman upgrading no matter how clever it gets. the problem = is that he can't perform a similar upgrade on himself!

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C575D0.4B179050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 20:16:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E45383BF69; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A7E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:51:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:16:30 +0000 (UTC) At 9:13 PM +0200 6/20/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > >If you feel your work is misinterpreted then its your job as artist to make >sure it doesn't get misinterpreted next time. You do that by making >better art, >not by crying 'foul' at the audience. This is a curious thing. I happen to agree with it (especially taking it out of context of the discussion-I haven't heard Kris' music). I think it goes both ways. Last Wednesday, my loop show to me was a tragic failure, yet the audience really liked it. I had requests to get on the mailing list (which I don't have) and for recordings (which I didn't bring). However, had I made "better art" and been satisfied by my own performance, would I have gotten the positive audience reaction? Should I cry foul at the audience for liking what I did? Hmmmm. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 20:16:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD4C53C005; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19A@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19A@lon-oxmail02> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:55:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: jamman | bob sellon software Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:16:32 +0000 (UTC) At 8:43 PM +0100 6/20/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I have been using Bob's ROM for quite a while now and I have to say >that I would never go back. The front panel is very confusing, so I >use a Behringer FCB1010 to control the thing. Using MIDI is really >the only way to go with this. At first I tried the 3 button >footswitch and it worked OK, but you only get a small amount of >what's available. > >I would recommend using the FCB1010 or some other MIDI pedal where >you can control what each switch is sending. Trying to map the >program changes inside the Jamman is fairly frustrating. What would >be very cool is a computer based editor for this, but I would no idea >how to go about doing this.<< > >edwin- thanks for that. I hadn't looked into the revised midi >implementation properly. in fact, I have an fcb1010 currently unused >so I'll give this a go. > >I don't suppose you could provide a sysex dump of your fcb1010 setup? :-) Sure! I can't guarantee you'll be happy with it. I use the java fcb1010 programming tool available at the fcb1010 yahoo group. Should I email to you directly? > >have you added the novram to it aswell? If that is the one that maintains settings memory, yes. > >I'll still have a spare rom anyway, since my guitarist will not want >his jamman upgrading no matter how clever it gets. the problem is >that he can't perform a similar upgrade on himself! I have experienced the same problems! Good luck! Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 20:50:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 734A13BFFF; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050620205049.86889.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Frankly, reading the review I'm not sure what your issue is. You can tell the reviewer doesn't like this style of music, but he goes on to describe it from that point of view without negative slant. Welcome to the world of life improvised free-form music. Most people who don't make it don't like it. I do like it... however I do it too. I'm listening to your Hume's Fork stuff right now and I'm totally digging it. However, the person reviewing it is doing their job by basically saying what it is from his/her perspective. That's all a reviewer can do. Now if you got reviewed by The Wire magazine, I'm sure you'd get a totally different review. It's all about context. This is exactly why I'm veering away from total improv music for a while. I love it, but does the audience? Oh, I'm still going to do it, but it's not going to leave my studio... unless it does by becoming parts of compositions. Sure many of the LD guys love exploitative jazz, but are you my audience? I know this is going to sound harsh, but a lot of what I hear getting posted on LD falls under what I call "wanking" which I guess is a term for "when one does it to themselves." It's not ever going to get the popular acclaim of a Britney Spears. Just not going to happen. I'm not telling you to change but if you're looking to be universally loved by the music industry (of which the reviewer is a part of), you'd better get some catchy hooks and danceable beats. People just really want to be able to hear the same song again and again. That's just the way it is. good luck, Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > It's rare that a review is of no use to the > reviewed, and personally > I'd take two pull quotes from this review and use > them in my press kit > and on gig posters (if it was a review of my music): > > "...a soundscape for cosmic travel..."--Boise Weekly > > and > > "...an astral tapestry..."--Boise Weekly > > > This other album you're describing sounds really > interesting, and I'm > definitely available for gratis session work on it. > > TravisH > > On 6/18/05, Hartung, Kris > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry to vent and display my artistic insecurity > and defensiveness with my > > fellow looping comrades, > > but I just have to share this. I guess I'm feeling > alone in a world of > > non-improvisational dominant music. > > This is why I'm starting to loath news paper music > critics more and more. I > > wrote this email tonight and > > posted it on my website: > > > > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm > > > > > I'm starting to feel like Robert Fripp with my > strung out and pedantic > > verbiage. Take this as you will, > > but this guy pissed me off, and it will probably > make me never submit a CD > > to a news paper ever again, > > unless it has Britney Spears singing lead on it in > the nude, with Paris > > Hilton on cello, and Pamela > > Anderson on maracas (in cut-time). I probably > over-reacted...oh well, such > > is the life of an obsessive-compulsive. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > Mojam Performance Calendar: > > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu > > ng > > Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: > > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm > > Music & Video Catalogue: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm > > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: > > > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 20:55:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B7E33BFF5; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050620205543.60044.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A5F@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:55:44 +0000 (UTC) > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] > He doesn't particularly speak well of himself with the "abstract wandering" quip either. He is clearly someone who finds it hard to enjoy art outside of familiar, popular "art" structures -- like the verse-chorus-verse of most pop music. How can you say this? He states cleary that it's not a slight, just a description and makes a remark that many (obviously not him) like this type of thing (us). I listened to the clips... it's abstract wandering. If you put bad meaning into that, that's the reader's issue. Obviously people like you and I are going to read that and think, "Oh, I dig abstract wandering in my music..." and perhaps pick up the disc. Am I wrong? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 21:02:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C40B43C002; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050620210247.63947.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1g16h.A.aVC.47ytCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Eloquently put. Mark --- Ian Petersen wrote: > Kris, > > > It's my business how and why I title my > > CDs, not for you to second guess or impose upon > me. > > I don't want to impose anything on you. Far from it. > You are of course free to > name your CDs in any way you see fit. But I - and > any other listener - must > surely be entitled to interpret said title in any > way we see fit based on > cultural baggage, intelligence or lack thereof. > > > I used the term "live" because the CD was > "recorded" live at a > > venue, and for me (not you or any aspect of > cultural baggage), this > > has special meaning, such as that it was recorded > in one take, > > involved some observation or interaction with the > audience, and > > so on. > > Fine. But I only know that because you are able to > tell me now 'in person', so > to speak. That explanation is not explicit in the > work itself - and won't be > available to the majority of your potential > listeners - and is thus open to > (mis)interpretation. > > > YOU do not define how I choose to the term "live" > on my CD > > No, but I define how I choose to interpret it. > > > nor does it obligate me to capture audience > applause at the end of each song. > > No, of course not. That is just one of many > potential expectations I, as > listener (with cultural baggage etc.) have on > reading a title such as "Live at > ..". Note, there is no value judgement here, just > the observation that I don't > necessarily 'get' what you mean by the title without > your subsequent > explanation. > > > Each person has a different perspective of what > the term "live" > > means for a CD title, [ ... ] You want to > conveniently use your concept > > of something for one argument, then not be > consistent in another > > matter. > > Sorry, I don't follow you here. My conception of > both 'live' and 'meditative' > are primarily subjective but obviously influenced by > 'cultural baggage' or > whatever we want to call it. As is yours or anyone > else's. > > If you accept that our conceptions are subjective > how can you, at the same > time, still imply that your conception is the only > 'correct' one? No matter how > many others regard your music as 'meditative' > doesn't make it objective fact. > > > In the case of this review (Larry), he states that > the CD has no > > tangible melody in a matter of fact way, yet > doesn't quality that > > this is how he feels or is a result of his unique > definition of > > melody > > In the context of what is apparently a mainstream > popular local 'arts' paper I > think the definition of melody is likely closer to > 'something you can whistle > in the bath' than any other more esoteric > definition. In that context I'd agree > with the reviewer that the music has little, if any, > tangible 'melody'. You > yourself have posted a link to a page with a couple > of dozen definitions of > 'melody'. Lots of possible interpretations there ... > > We seem to be arguing about objective fact contra > subjective opinion, and who > gets to define the terms. I am firmly of the opinion > that no artist can > reasonably expect to make the 'rules' as to how his > work is interpreted by his > audience. The work must stand by itself or not at > all. > > If you feel your work is misinterpreted then its > your job as artist to make > sure it doesn't get misinterpreted next time. You do > that by making better art, > not by crying 'foul' at the audience. > > Cheers > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 21:09:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6403C001; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1119301784!16819331!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19B@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: jamman | bob sellon software Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:11:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C575DC.92DA6B90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:09:47 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575DC.92DA6B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >I don't suppose you could provide a sysex dump of your fcb1010 setup? :-) Sure! I can't guarantee you'll be happy with it. I use the java fcb1010 programming tool available at the fcb1010 yahoo group. Should I email to you directly? >have you added the novram to it aswell? If that is the one that maintains settings memory, yes.<< thanks again- let me wander over to the yahoo group for the behringer & suss it out for myself. I'm away from my studio at the moment anyway, & I really should learn (again) how to drive the fcb1010. I did nothing but complain about it when I got it- maybe this time I'll understand what they were trying to do... (my first midi controller was a pc1600 back in 1995, so I too am a bit set in my ways). is the novram useful? what does the jamman forget if you don't have it? also, are we talking about the same upgrade software? upon revisiting bob's site, I see that there's an enhanced-but-normal update he does, that expands the midi-remote functionality but leaves the jamman basically the same animal.... then there's the one I got where it's pretty much completely different & needs a new decal & so forth. actually, this in-between one, + the fcb1010.... I might persuade my guitarist to go for that if the whole rig included my jamman aswell, so's he could drive two from the board. it was the idea of the multiple pages & the melotron (sic) modes that put him off. that & the front panel changing. this other version looks a bit friendlier. I tried him on one of our two repeaters, but he didn't much care for it. too much going on. his idea of complexity is a strat with a 5-way switch..... :-) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575DC.92DA6B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: jamman | bob sellon software

>> >I don't suppose you could provide a sysex du= mp of your fcb1010 setup? :-)

Sure! I can't guarantee you'll be happy with it. I use th= e java
fcb1010 programming tool available at the fcb1010  = yahoo group.
Should I email to you directly?

>have you added the novram to it aswell?


If that is the one that maintains settings memory, yes.&l= t;<

thanks again- let me wander over to the yahoo group for t= he behringer & suss it out for myself. I'm away from my studio at the m= oment anyway, & I really should learn (again) how to drive the fcb1010.= I did nothing but complain about it when I got it- maybe this time I'll un= derstand what they were trying to do... (my first midi controller was a pc1= 600 back in 1995, so I too am a bit set in my ways).

is the novram useful? what does the jamman forget if you = don't have it?
also, are we talking about the same upgrade software?
upon revisiting bob's site, I see that there's an enhanc= ed-but-normal update he does, that expands the midi-remote functionality bu= t leaves the jamman basically the same animal....

 
then there's the one I got where it's pretty much comple= tely different & needs a new decal & so forth.

actually, this in-between one, + the fcb1010.... I might = persuade my guitarist to go for that if the whole rig included my jamman as= well, so's he could drive two from the board.

it was the idea of the multiple pages & the melotron = (sic) modes that put him off. that & the front panel changing. this oth= er version looks a bit friendlier.

I tried him on one of our two repeaters, but he didn't mu= ch care for it. too much going on. his idea of complexity is a strat with a= 5-way switch..... :-)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C575DC.92DA6B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 20 21:40:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F5163BFFF; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19B@lon-oxmail02> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: jamman | bob sellon software Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2005 21:40:19.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[A756E0E0:01C575E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:20 +0000 (UTC) I have been using the upgrade from Sellon (vers 4.0 I believe) for a couple of years now. At first it was very confusing...much different than the standard JamMan setup. Infact after having the upgrade installed for a couple of months, I took it out and went back to the standard setup for some time before I got up the courage to abandon the familiar system. And, boy am I glad I did! It changes the whole nature of the machine, really. To begin with it gives you the option of running multiple parallel loops, each with their own mute, replace, layer, erase fucntions as well as their placement in a stereo field. The "midi fade" feature accessible only via midi, and then only in 3 flavors, in the original setup, is a standard featuire of the upgrade; available on each "track" or as global feature. This fade can be stopped at any point where the loop being played is held at the faded volume, but the info added to the loop (or played on top of it) is not; where the loop vol and the overdub vol are both changed by the fade amount; and the "fade out" can be inverted to a "fade back" or "fade in". You can at any point toggle from loop mode to delay mode (with enhanced feedback levels) to morph and elvolve loops (and this can be done on any of the parallel loops, or globally)and you can toggle back to loop mode...back and forth if you like. There are two dedicated "mute" modes: one which mutes the loop selected, albeit letting the loop still run, and one which "resets" the loop selected to loop start point so that whenever you "unmute" the loop plays from the begining. MIDI CC info can control feedback levels in real time, invert loops, change "tracks" or modes.... but, you can access all the neccessary stuff via two 3 bitton footswitches like digitech fs300's. This is what I use so I have no MIDI-worries (or woes) in my setup. I have had no problems and expeerience no latency in this operaton. Of course, Bob Sellon has not de-bugged the chips, and so they can be buggy. On mine the reverse function for a while would invert the loop and play it one time, and then shut down the whole machine (requiring a re-boot). Lately tho, for some odd reason, it plays thru inverted fine. There is also an added click track to the new system (this is generated but not recorded, and is defeatable) as well as a pre-delay which can be added to audio before the looping process. Of course, learning the new system takes a little work. I printed the controls for the front panel dials off Selln's online manual for the upgrade and applied them to the front panel of my JamMan, and labeled my footswitches with function command #s. There is another eprom upgrade which allows for front panel info (midi #s, panning, feedback levels etc) to be saved in memory of the JamMan as pages. I never had that put in. Likewise, I still have not even tried the Mellotron or sampler functions of the upgrade...they just don't figurte into my work with loops. All in all, the upgrade is very worthy (I did a demo of this at Loopstock a couple years back...) and it really changes the personality and possibilities of the machine. The JamMan, which in its original Lexicon form was quite limited, becomes much more interactive and becomes a more responsive tool for making loop-based music, as opposed to be a "playback and jam" type box in which they only dynamic is to make the loops more and more dense until it all stops... I have had great success using my upgraded JamMan. It is still my primary loopig device. Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 00:04:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43D3C3BF75; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:04:21 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CA0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV12cV6Or5jBERWQMiptOSOLDdG2wACOiVw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 00:04:30.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC0F9350:01C575F4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Hume's Fork? That self-indulgent, Phish wannabe wanking crap? ;) =20 Ahhhh yes, all this discussion about music critics and evaluation reminds me of the days when was getting my philosophy degree and we attended inter-collegiate debates on topics within various philosophical departments like ontology, epistemology, metaphysics, ethics, philosophy of science, etc...ohhhh the horrors...there was gnashing of teeth, laser beam glares, and viscious, caustic remarks. But then afterwards we went the the pub, smoked cubanos, and got stinkin' drunk together on dark beer. It's a shame we can't do that here! Kris out.... -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net]=20 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Frankly, reading the review I'm not sure what your issue is. You can tell the reviewer doesn't like this style of music, but he goes on to describe it from that point of view without negative slant. Welcome to the world of life improvised free-form music. Most people who don't make it don't like it. I do like it... however I do it too. I'm listening to your Hume's Fork stuff right now and I'm totally digging it. However, the person reviewing it is doing their job by basically saying what it is from his/her perspective. That's all a reviewer can do. Now if you got reviewed by The Wire magazine, I'm sure you'd get a totally different review. It's all about context. This is exactly why I'm veering away from total improv music for a while. I love it, but does the audience?=20 Oh, I'm still going to do it, but it's not going to leave my studio... unless it does by becoming parts of compositions. Sure many of the LD guys love exploitative jazz, but are you my audience? I know this is going to sound harsh, but a lot of what I hear getting posted on LD falls under what I call "wanking" which I guess is a term for "when one does it to themselves." It's not ever going to get the popular acclaim of a Britney Spears. Just not going to happen. I'm not telling you to change but if you're looking to be universally loved by the music industry (of which the reviewer is a part of), you'd better get some catchy hooks and danceable beats. People just really want to be able to hear the same song again and again. That's just the way it is. good luck, Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > It's rare that a review is of no use to the reviewed, and personally=20 > I'd take two pull quotes from this review and use them in my press kit > and on gig posters (if it was a review of my music): >=20 > "...a soundscape for cosmic travel..."--Boise Weekly >=20 > and >=20 > "...an astral tapestry..."--Boise Weekly >=20 >=20 > This other album you're describing sounds really interesting, and I'm=20 > definitely available for gratis session work on it. >=20 > TravisH >=20 > On 6/18/05, Hartung, Kris > wrote: > > =20 > >=20 > > Sorry to vent and display my artistic insecurity > and defensiveness with my > > fellow looping comrades, > > but I just have to share this. I guess I'm feeling > alone in a world of > > non-improvisational dominant music.=20 > > This is why I'm starting to loath news paper music > critics more and more. I > > wrote this email tonight and > > posted it on my website:=20 > >=20 > > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm >=20 > >=20 > > I'm starting to feel like Robert Fripp with my > strung out and pedantic > > verbiage. Take this as you will, > > but this guy pissed me off, and it will probably > make me never submit a CD > > to a news paper ever again, > > unless it has Britney Spears singing lead on it in > the nude, with Paris > > Hilton on cello, and Pamela > > Anderson on maracas (in cut-time). I probably > over-reacted...oh well, such > > is the life of an obsessive-compulsive.=20 > >=20 > > Kris > > =20 > >=20 > > > ************************************************************************ > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 > > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > Mojam Performance Calendar: > > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu > > ng > > Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm >=20 > > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: >=20 > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm > > Music & Video Catalogue: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm > > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format:=20 > > > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 00:20:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F693BF6E; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20050620012411.57501.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050620012411.57501.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--727931270 Message-Id: <2DFD3AD2-E1EA-11D9-A638-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:19:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:20:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--727931270 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I should probably not jump into this because I will probably have many critics for what I have to say, but I am sick in bed today and have some free time... I have been buried in the studio for the last week and just now had a chance to really dig into this thread. As a guy that has made almost his entire living for the last 15 years working in mostly non mainstream music, I looked at that review and saw it as a small success for Krispen Hartung & Vinnie Miresse. For an non arts-centric media outlet to take the initiative and write a review about a CD of live looping music by non super star musicians is a great thing. Further more the review was fairly interesting and provided a bit of framework about the music as well as subjective commentary about the work. Everything a review should do, and had I read that in my local paper it would certainly inspire me to check out these artists live or on CD. There is not a single word in the review that is derogatory, only a reviewers opinion that did not meld with the artists personal understanding of the work. I read Krispen's response twice and then re-read the review twice, and while I respect Krispen's right to respond and state his opinion, my over all feel was of bewilderment. The review was a positive one that I believe would peak the interests of any reader with an interest in looping and avant music. My guess is that the net result of the reply which basically suggests that the reviewer is lazy, ignorant and not a real journalists, will hinder the possibility of press exposure for Krispen's musical ventures in the future with this media outlet and may likely hinder coverage of other avant artists. Perhaps I am just a softy, but if it was my CD, I would have sent a reply that said something along the line of "Thanks for the review. Not sure I agree with all of it, but thanks for taking a risk and covering some not mainstream music. I have some projects in the works I would really love for you to check out including an on line international collaboration and maybe we can dig into those more deeply. I would love to be able to explain the work in greater detail" The idea that a guy reviewing a CD has some how failed because he did not call the interviewer is off the mark. This was not an article about the artists (if it was an interview would be appropriate), but a review of a piece of work that if the finished product is what the artist intended (and not negatively altered by a label or producer etc) than the work should stand on its own. Some people will connect, others won't. Some people may not connect this year but after getting a deeper understanding of the genre 10 years from now may be deeply touched. If a certain set of facts or history are integral to experiencing the work, that information should be included in the liner notes. As fun as it is to bash critics (and a few do deserve it) they are our allies and they often have tough jobs. Every day the guy comes into an office and he has an editor breathing down his neck to get X number of words written to fill in the space between the home depot and Applebee's ads. If the artist or label feels that there is background information that is integral to the understanding of the work then they should provide it. Even at a more basic level if there is a particular slant or thing about the artists or the work that the artist would like noted then they should provide that as well. That is the purpose of a "one sheet". Since Krispen had a fixed idea of what kind of things a listener should understand about this work, it would make sense that it be spelled out for the press. There is no media outlet of any stature that has the time to do in depth research about a local indie release (of any genre). When they do, it is a a great opportunity for the artists and far more value than a paid ad in the paper. PT Barnum said "There is no such thing as bad press as long as they spell my name right". Its great thing for creative artists to get exposure of any kind because a paper will sell a lot more copies with a sexy photo of Hillary Duff and a review of her MTV "performance" than a review of a local looping CD. The music myself and many on this list is by its very nature foreign to a lot of the listening world. Over the next year my company is actually about to launch a few projects with the purpose of trying to bridge the gap between a lot of looping music and people that might be touched by it. I think the trick will be the right combo of education to help people understand more about where some of this music is coming from, but also trying to present in a way that respects where the rest of the world is coming from. Should be fun. BTW. I really like Krispen's music. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-2--727931270 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I should probably not jump into this because I will probably have many critics for what I have to say, but I am sick in bed today and have some free time... I have been buried in the studio for the last week and just now had a chance to really dig into this thread. As a guy that has made almost his entire living for the last 15 years working in mostly non mainstream music, I looked at that review and saw it as a small success0000,0000,0000 for TimesKrispen Hartung & Vinnie Miresse. For an non arts-centric media outlet to take the initiative and write a review about a CD of live looping music by non super star musicians is a great thing. Further more the review was fairly interesting and provided a bit of framework about the music as well as subjective commentary about the work. Everything a review should do, and had I read that in my local paper it would certainly inspire me to check out these artists live or on CD. There is not a single word in the review that is derogatory, only a reviewers opinion that did not meld with the artists personal understanding of the work. I read Krispen's response twice and then re-read the review twice, and while I respect Krispen's right to respond and state his opinion, my over all feel was of bewilderment. The review was a positive one that I believe would peak the interests of any reader with an interest in looping and avant music. My guess is that the net result of the reply which basically suggests that the reviewer is lazy, ignorant and not a real journalists, will hinder the possibility of press exposure for Krispen's musical ventures in the future with this media outlet and may likely hinder coverage of other avant artists. Perhaps I am just a softy, but if it was my CD, I would have sent a reply that said something along the line of "Thanks for the review. Not sure I agree with all of it, but thanks for taking a risk and covering some not mainstream music. I have some projects in the works I would really love for you to check out including an on line international collaboration and maybe we can dig into those more deeply. I would love to be able to explain the work in greater detail" The idea that a guy reviewing a CD has some how failed because he did not call the interviewer is off the mark. This was not an article about the artists (if it was an interview would be appropriate), but a review of a piece of work that if the finished product is what the artist intended (and not negatively altered by a label or producer etc) than the work should stand on its own. Some people will connect, others won't. Some people may not connect this year but after getting a deeper understanding of the genre 10 years from now may be deeply touched. If a certain set of facts or history are integral to experiencing the work, that information should be included in the liner notes. As fun as it is to bash critics (and a few do deserve it) they are our allies and they often have tough jobs. Every day the guy comes into an office and he has an editor breathing down his neck to get X number of words written to fill in the space between the home depot and Applebee's ads. If the artist or label feels that there is background information that is integral to the understanding of the work then they should provide it. Even at a more basic level if there is a particular slant or thing about the artists or the work that the artist would like noted then they should provide that as well. That is the purpose of a "one sheet". Since Krispen had a fixed idea of what kind of things a listener should understand about this work, it would make sense that it be spelled out for the press. There is no media outlet of any stature that has the time to do in depth research about a local indie release (of any genre). When they do, it is a a great opportunity for the artists and far more value than a paid ad in the paper. PT Barnum said "There is no such thing as bad press as long as they spell my name right". Its great thing for creative artists to get exposure of any kind because a paper will sell a lot more copies with a sexy photo of Hillary Duff and a review of her MTV "performance" than a review of a local looping CD. The music myself and many on this list is by its very nature foreign to a lot of the listening world. Over the next year my company is actually about to launch a few projects with the purpose of trying to bridge the gap between a lot of looping music and people that might be touched by it. I think the trick will be the right combo of education to help people understand more about where some of this music is coming from, but also trying to present in a way that respects where the rest of the world is coming from. Should be fun. BTW. I really like Krispen's music. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-2--727931270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 00:46:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F26D3BF79; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C575FA.AC4DFFD3" Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:46:32 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CA8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV19wPLZzWSJWLMSnyVSBe39abg2gAALe5w From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 00:46:34.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC977CD0:01C575FA] Resent-Message-ID: <-i_UM.A.SnB.rN2tCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:46:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575FA.AC4DFFD3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable #1. I did thank this reviewer for taking the time to review my CD, as well as a few positive and accurate, or at least honest statements he made about my music (I could have left it at that, but I did not...sorry, personality quirk...draw and quarter me metaphorically if you like....I'm out of shape so the cuts should be tender). #2. I agreed with the reviewer that the lack of audience noise in the recording was less than desirable #3. I spent the remainder of my letter focusing on what I perceived as three falsehoods, or at least ambiguities that could easily be interpreted by readers as a falsehood relative to the facts, which in turn could potentially degrade the perception of my music that I'm trying to foster locally (my prerogative) #4. I doubt very much that this will hinder my exposure. That's sort of laughable, actually...if you knew Boise, population 200K. I have had far, far more heated debates with music critics in Boise than this, and I continue to get gigs and make contacts, plus maintain my respect by local musicians; I read the paper, people write heated content and responses like this all the time to editors and news papers, and about far more controversial things than, oh my god...[drum roll].....looped improv music #5. Context is everything: locally, most of my peers agree with my letter; and this guy already has a reputation #6. If anything, as one of my local peers suggested, this sort of thing could have a reverse effect and provide me more exposure - there is always someone who will agree or disagree with a review or letter to the editor...either way, I get a net gain of some sort. Besides, I don't do this for a living, so I have nothing to lose for being hyper-sensitive or argumentative with music reviewers locally, perhaps once every 4 or 5 years #7. Thank for liking my music #8. Get well soon. =20 K- ________________________________ From: Ronan Chris Murphy [mailto:looper@venetowest.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics I should probably not jump into this because I will probably have many critics for what I have to say, but I am sick in bed today and have some free time... I have been buried in the studio for the last week and just now had a chance to really dig into this thread.=20 As a guy that has made almost his entire living for the last 15 years working in mostly non mainstream music, I looked at that review and saw it as a small success for Krispen Hartung & Vinnie Miresse. For an non arts-centric media outlet to take the initiative and write a review about a CD of live looping music by non super star musicians is a great thing. Further more the review was fairly interesting and provided a bit of framework about the music as well as subjective commentary about the work. Everything a review should do, and had I read that in my local paper it would certainly inspire me to check out these artists live or on CD. There is not a single word in the review that is derogatory, only a reviewers opinion that did not meld with the artists personal understanding of the work.=20 I read Krispen's response twice and then re-read the review twice, and while I respect Krispen's right to respond and state his opinion, my over all feel was of bewilderment. The review was a positive one that I believe would peak the interests of any reader with an interest in looping and avant music. My guess is that the net result of the reply which basically suggests that the reviewer is lazy, ignorant and not a real journalists, will hinder the possibility of press exposure for Krispen's musical ventures in the future with this media outlet and may likely hinder coverage of other avant artists. Perhaps I am just a softy, but if it was my CD, I would have sent a reply that said something along the line of "Thanks for the review. Not sure I agree with all of it, but thanks for taking a risk and covering some not mainstream music. I have some projects in the works I would really love for you to check out including an on line international collaboration and maybe we can dig into those more deeply. I would love to be able to explain the work in greater detail"=20 The idea that a guy reviewing a CD has some how failed because he did not call the interviewer is off the mark. This was not an article about the artists (if it was an interview would be appropriate), but a review of a piece of work that if the finished product is what the artist intended (and not negatively altered by a label or producer etc) than the work should stand on its own. Some people will connect, others won't. Some people may not connect this year but after getting a deeper understanding of the genre 10 years from now may be deeply touched. If a certain set of facts or history are integral to experiencing the work, that information should be included in the liner notes.=20 As fun as it is to bash critics (and a few do deserve it) they are our allies and they often have tough jobs. Every day the guy comes into an office and he has an editor breathing down his neck to get X number of words written to fill in the space between the home depot and Applebee's ads. If the artist or label feels that there is background information that is integral to the understanding of the work then they should provide it. Even at a more basic level if there is a particular slant or thing about the artists or the work that the artist would like noted then they should provide that as well. That is the purpose of a "one sheet". Since Krispen had a fixed idea of what kind of things a listener should understand about this work, it would make sense that it be spelled out for the press. There is no media outlet of any stature that has the time to do in depth research about a local indie release (of any genre). When they do, it is a a great opportunity for the artists and far more value than a paid ad in the paper. PT Barnum said "There is no such thing as bad press as long as they spell my name right". Its great thing for creative artists to get exposure of any kind because a paper will sell a lot more copies with a sexy photo of Hillary Duff and a review of her MTV "performance" than a review of a local looping CD.=20 The music myself and many on this list is by its very nature foreign to a lot of the listening world. Over the next year my company is actually about to launch a few projects with the purpose of trying to bridge the gap between a lot of looping music and people that might be touched by it. I think the trick will be the right combo of education to help people understand more about where some of this music is coming from, but also trying to present in a way that respects where the rest of the world is coming from. Should be fun.=20 BTW. I really like Krispen's music.=20 Ronan Chris Murphy=20 www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)=20 www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording )=20 www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher)=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C575FA.AC4DFFD3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
#1. I did thank this reviewer = for taking=20 the time to review my CD, as well as a few positive and accurate, or at = least=20 honest statements he made about my music (I could have left it at = that, but=20 I did not...sorry, personality quirk...draw and quarter me = metaphorically if you=20 like....I'm out of shape so the cuts should be = tender).
#2. I agreed with the reviewer = that the=20 lack of audience noise in the recording was less than=20 desirable
#3. I spent the remainder of = my letter=20 focusing on what I perceived as three falsehoods, or at least = ambiguities that=20 could easily be interpreted by readers as a falsehood relative to the = facts,=20 which in turn could potentially degrade the perception of my music that = I'm=20 trying to foster locally (my prerogative)
#4. I doubt very much that = this will=20 hinder my exposure. That's sort of laughable, actually...if you = knew Boise,=20 population 200K. I have had far, far more heated debates with music = critics=20 in Boise than this, and I continue to get gigs and make contacts, plus = maintain=20 my respect by local musicians; I read the paper, people = write heated=20 content and responses like this all the time to editors and news = papers,=20 and about far more controversial things than, oh my god...[drum = roll].....looped=20 improv music
#5. Context is everything: = locally, most=20 of my peers agree with my letter; and this guy already has a=20 reputation
#6. If anything, as one of my = local peers=20 suggested, this sort of thing could have a reverse effect and provide me = more=20 exposure - there is always someone who will agree or disagree with a = review or=20 letter to the editor...either way, I get a net gain of some sort. = Besides, I=20 don't do this for a living, so I have nothing to lose for being = hyper-sensitive=20 or argumentative with music reviewers locally, perhaps once every 4 or 5 = years
#7. Thank for liking my=20 music
#8. Get well = soon.
 
K-

From: Ronan Chris Murphy=20 [mailto:looper@venetowest.com]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 = 6:20=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: Why=20 I'm starting to loath news paper music critics

I should probably not jump into this because I will probably have = many=20 critics for what I have to say, but I am sick in bed today and have some = free=20 time... I have been buried in the studio for the last week and just now = had a=20 chance to really dig into this thread.

As a guy that has made almost his entire living for the last 15 = years=20 working in mostly non mainstream music, I looked at that review and saw = it as a=20 small success for Krispen = Hartung &=20 Vinnie Miresse. For an non arts-centric media outlet to = take the=20 initiative and write a review about a CD of live looping music by non = super star=20 musicians is a great thing. Further more the review was fairly = interesting and=20 provided a bit of framework about the music as well as subjective = commentary=20 about the work. Everything a review should do, and had I read that in my = local=20 paper it would certainly inspire me to check out these artists live or = on CD.=20 There is not a single word in the review that is derogatory, only a = reviewers=20 opinion that did not meld with the artists personal understanding of the = work.=20

I read Krispen's response twice and then re-read the review twice, = and=20 while I respect Krispen's right to respond and state his opinion, my = over all=20 feel was of bewilderment. The review was a positive one that I believe = would=20 peak the interests of any reader with an interest in looping and avant = music. My=20 guess is that the net result of the reply which basically suggests that = the=20 reviewer is lazy, ignorant and not a real journalists, will hinder the=20 possibility of press exposure for Krispen's musical ventures in the = future with=20 this media outlet and may likely hinder coverage of other avant artists. = Perhaps=20 I am just a softy, but if it was my CD, I would have sent a reply that = said=20 something along the line of "Thanks for the review. Not sure I agree = with all of=20 it, but thanks for taking a risk and covering some not mainstream music. = I have=20 some projects in the works I would really love for you to check out = including an=20 on line international collaboration and maybe we can dig into those more = deeply.=20 I would love to be able to explain the work in greater detail" =

The idea that a guy reviewing a CD has some how failed because he = did not=20 call the interviewer is off the mark. This was not an article about the = artists=20 (if it was an interview would be appropriate), but a review of a piece = of work=20 that if the finished product is what the artist intended (and not = negatively=20 altered by a label or producer etc) than the work should stand on its = own. Some=20 people will connect, others won't. Some people may not connect this year = but=20 after getting a deeper understanding of the genre 10 years from now may = be=20 deeply touched. If a certain set of facts or history are integral to=20 experiencing the work, that information should be included in the liner = notes.=20

As fun as it is to bash critics (and a few do deserve it) they are = our=20 allies and they often have tough jobs. Every day the guy comes into an = office=20 and he has an editor breathing down his neck to get X number of words = written to=20 fill in the space between the home depot and Applebee's ads. If the = artist or=20 label feels that there is background information that is integral to the = understanding of the work then they should provide it. Even at a more = basic=20 level if there is a particular slant or thing about the artists or the = work that=20 the artist would like noted then they should provide that as well. That = is the=20 purpose of a "one sheet". Since Krispen had a fixed idea of what kind of = things=20 a listener should understand about this work, it would make sense that = it be=20 spelled out for the press. There is no media outlet of any stature that = has the=20 time to do in depth research about a local indie release (of any genre). = When=20 they do, it is a a great opportunity for the artists and far more value = than a=20 paid ad in the paper. PT Barnum said "There is no such thing as bad = press as=20 long as they spell my name right". Its great thing for creative artists = to get=20 exposure of any kind because a paper will sell a lot more copies with a = sexy=20 photo of Hillary Duff and a review of her MTV "performance" than a = review of a=20 local looping CD.

The music myself and many on this list is by its very nature = foreign to a=20 lot of the listening world. Over the next year my company is actually = about to=20 launch a few projects with the purpose of trying to bridge the gap = between a lot=20 of looping music and people that might be touched by it. I think the = trick will=20 be the right combo of education to help people understand more about = where some=20 of this music is coming from, but also trying to present in a way that = respects=20 where the rest of the world is coming from. Should be fun.

BTW. I really like Krispen's music.


Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho = Valdes,=20 Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching = the art=20 and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny = &=20 Cher)
------_=_NextPart_001_01C575FA.AC4DFFD3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 01:53:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9A743BF9A; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57603.EE4E1ACC" Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics (correction) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:52:48 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CB6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics (correction) thread-index: AcV19wPLZzWSJWLMSnyVSBe39abg2gAALe5wAAKEFbA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 01:54:12.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F296340:01C57604] Resent-Message-ID: <0IINlB.A.eYE.aM3tCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:53:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57603.EE4E1ACC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable #1. I did thank this reviewer for taking the time to review my CD, as well as a few positive and accurate, or at least honest statements he made about my music (I could have left it at that, but I did not...sorry, personality quirk...draw and quarter me metaphorically if you like....I'm out of shape so the cuts should be tender). #2. I agreed with the reviewer that the lack of audience noise in the recording was less than desirable=20 =20 #3. I spent the remainder of my letter focusing on what I perceived as three falsehoods, or at least ambiguities that could easily be interpreted by readers as a falsehood relative to the facts, which in turn could potentially degrade the perception of my music that I'm trying to foster locally (my prerogative)=20 =20 Correction..."three statements" (not falsehoods), one of which was false relative to multiple definitions of "melody," and thus subject to multiple and contradictory interpretations (which I personally found insulting), and two of which were neither true nor false (externally) as they were written, but his own subjective interpretations expressed, communicated, or disguised "as if" they were matter of fact. These last two charges I contend are a fallacies of language abuse: saying one thing but meaning something entirely different.=20 =20 #4. I doubt very much that this will hinder my exposure. That's sort of laughable, actually...if you knew Boise, population 200K. I have had far, far more heated debates with music critics in Boise than this, and I continue to get gigs and make contacts, plus maintain my respect by local musicians; I read the paper, people write heated content and responses like this all the time to editors and news papers, and about far more controversial things than, oh my god...[drum roll].....looped improv music #5. Context is everything: locally, most of my peers agree with my letter; and this guy already has a reputation #6. If anything, as one of my local peers suggested, this sort of thing could have a reverse effect and provide me more exposure - there is always someone who will agree or disagree with a review or letter to the editor...either way, I get a net gain of some sort. Besides, I don't do this for a living, so I have nothing to lose for being hyper-sensitive or argumentative with music reviewers locally, perhaps once every 4 or 5 years #7. Thank for liking my music #8. Get well soon. =20 K-=20 ************************************************************************ ****************=20 Krispen Hartung=20 Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com =20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Mojam Performance Calendar:=20 http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng=20 Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm=20 Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm=20 Music & Video Catalogue:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm=20 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format:=20 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm =20 Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Ronan Chris Murphy [mailto:looper@venetowest.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics I should probably not jump into this because I will probably have many critics for what I have to say, but I am sick in bed today and have some free time... I have been buried in the studio for the last week and just now had a chance to really dig into this thread.=20 As a guy that has made almost his entire living for the last 15 years working in mostly non mainstream music, I looked at that review and saw it as a small success for Krispen Hartung & Vinnie Miresse. For an non arts-centric media outlet to take the initiative and write a review about a CD of live looping music by non super star musicians is a great thing. Further more the review was fairly interesting and provided a bit of framework about the music as well as subjective commentary about the work. Everything a review should do, and had I read that in my local paper it would certainly inspire me to check out these artists live or on CD. There is not a single word in the review that is derogatory, only a reviewers opinion that did not meld with the artists personal understanding of the work.=20 I read Krispen's response twice and then re-read the review twice, and while I respect Krispen's right to respond and state his opinion, my over all feel was of bewilderment. The review was a positive one that I believe would peak the interests of any reader with an interest in looping and avant music. My guess is that the net result of the reply which basically suggests that the reviewer is lazy, ignorant and not a real journalists, will hinder the possibility of press exposure for Krispen's musical ventures in the future with this media outlet and may likely hinder coverage of other avant artists. Perhaps I am just a softy, but if it was my CD, I would have sent a reply that said something along the line of "Thanks for the review. Not sure I agree with all of it, but thanks for taking a risk and covering some not mainstream music. I have some projects in the works I would really love for you to check out including an on line international collaboration and maybe we can dig into those more deeply. I would love to be able to explain the work in greater detail"=20 The idea that a guy reviewing a CD has some how failed because he did not call the interviewer is off the mark. This was not an article about the artists (if it was an interview would be appropriate), but a review of a piece of work that if the finished product is what the artist intended (and not negatively altered by a label or producer etc) than the work should stand on its own. Some people will connect, others won't. Some people may not connect this year but after getting a deeper understanding of the genre 10 years from now may be deeply touched. If a certain set of facts or history are integral to experiencing the work, that information should be included in the liner notes.=20 As fun as it is to bash critics (and a few do deserve it) they are our allies and they often have tough jobs. Every day the guy comes into an office and he has an editor breathing down his neck to get X number of words written to fill in the space between the home depot and Applebee's ads. If the artist or label feels that there is background information that is integral to the understanding of the work then they should provide it. Even at a more basic level if there is a particular slant or thing about the artists or the work that the artist would like noted then they should provide that as well. That is the purpose of a "one sheet". Since Krispen had a fixed idea of what kind of things a listener should understand about this work, it would make sense that it be spelled out for the press. There is no media outlet of any stature that has the time to do in depth research about a local indie release (of any genre). When they do, it is a a great opportunity for the artists and far more value than a paid ad in the paper. PT Barnum said "There is no such thing as bad press as long as they spell my name right". Its great thing for creative artists to get exposure of any kind because a paper will sell a lot more copies with a sexy photo of Hillary Duff and a review of her MTV "performance" than a review of a local looping CD.=20 The music myself and many on this list is by its very nature foreign to a lot of the listening world. Over the next year my company is actually about to launch a few projects with the purpose of trying to bridge the gap between a lot of looping music and people that might be touched by it. I think the trick will be the right combo of education to help people understand more about where some of this music is coming from, but also trying to present in a way that respects where the rest of the world is coming from. Should be fun.=20 BTW. I really like Krispen's music.=20 Ronan Chris Murphy=20 www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)=20 www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording )=20 www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher)=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57603.EE4E1ACC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
#1. I did thank this reviewer = for taking=20 the time to review my CD, as well as a few positive and accurate, or at = least=20 honest statements he made about my music (I could have left it at = that, but=20 I did not...sorry, personality quirk...draw and quarter me = metaphorically if you=20 like....I'm out of shape so the cuts should be = tender).
#2. I agreed with the reviewer = that the=20 lack of audience noise in the recording was less than=20 desirable 
 
 #3. I spent the = remainder=20 of my letter focusing on what I perceived as three = falsehoods, or at least ambiguities that could easily be = interpreted by=20 readers as a falsehood relative to the facts, which in turn could = potentially=20 degrade the perception of my music that I'm trying to foster locally (my = prerogative) 
 
Correction..."three=20 statements" (not falsehoods), one of which was false relative to = multiple=20 definitions of "melody," and thus subject to multiple and = contradictory=20 interpretations (which I personally found insulting), and two of = which were=20 neither true nor false (externally) as they were written, but his = own=20 subjective interpretations expressed, communicated, or = disguised "as=20 if" they were matter of fact. These last two charges I contend are = a=20 fallacies of language abuse: saying one thing but meaning something = entirely=20 different.
 
#4. I doubt very much that = this will=20 hinder my exposure. That's sort of laughable, actually...if you = knew Boise,=20 population 200K. I have had far, far more heated debates with music = critics=20 in Boise than this, and I continue to get gigs and make contacts, plus = maintain=20 my respect by local musicians; I read the paper, people = write heated=20 content and responses like this all the time to editors and news = papers,=20 and about far more controversial things than, oh my god...[drum = roll].....looped=20 improv music
#5. Context is everything: = locally, most=20 of my peers agree with my letter; and this guy already has a=20 reputation
#6. If anything, as one of my = local peers=20 suggested, this sort of thing could have a reverse effect and provide me = more=20 exposure - there is always someone who will agree or disagree with a = review or=20 letter to the editor...either way, I get a net gain of some sort. = Besides, I=20 don't do this for a living, so I have nothing to lose for being = hyper-sensitive=20 or argumentative with music reviewers locally, perhaps once every 4 or 5 = years
#7. Thank for liking my=20 music
#8. Get well=20 soon.
 
K- 

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Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist =
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Gear=20 setup: http://www.boisemusicians= .com/gear.htm=20
Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on = over 100=20 sites:
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Music & Video = Catalogue:=20
http://www.boisemusi= cians.com/catalogue.htm=20
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From: Ronan Chris Murphy=20 [mailto:looper@venetowest.com]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 = 6:20=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: Why=20 I'm starting to loath news paper music critics

I should probably not jump into this because I will probably have = many=20 critics for what I have to say, but I am sick in bed today and have some = free=20 time... I have been buried in the studio for the last week and just now = had a=20 chance to really dig into this thread.

As a guy that has made almost his entire living for the last 15 = years=20 working in mostly non mainstream music, I looked at that review and saw = it as a=20 small success for Krispen = Hartung &=20 Vinnie Miresse. For an non arts-centric media outlet to = take the=20 initiative and write a review about a CD of live looping music by non = super star=20 musicians is a great thing. Further more the review was fairly = interesting and=20 provided a bit of framework about the music as well as subjective = commentary=20 about the work. Everything a review should do, and had I read that in my = local=20 paper it would certainly inspire me to check out these artists live or = on CD.=20 There is not a single word in the review that is derogatory, only a = reviewers=20 opinion that did not meld with the artists personal understanding of the = work.=20

I read Krispen's response twice and then re-read the review twice, = and=20 while I respect Krispen's right to respond and state his opinion, my = over all=20 feel was of bewilderment. The review was a positive one that I believe = would=20 peak the interests of any reader with an interest in looping and avant = music. My=20 guess is that the net result of the reply which basically suggests that = the=20 reviewer is lazy, ignorant and not a real journalists, will hinder the=20 possibility of press exposure for Krispen's musical ventures in the = future with=20 this media outlet and may likely hinder coverage of other avant artists. = Perhaps=20 I am just a softy, but if it was my CD, I would have sent a reply that = said=20 something along the line of "Thanks for the review. Not sure I agree = with all of=20 it, but thanks for taking a risk and covering some not mainstream music. = I have=20 some projects in the works I would really love for you to check out = including an=20 on line international collaboration and maybe we can dig into those more = deeply.=20 I would love to be able to explain the work in greater detail" =

The idea that a guy reviewing a CD has some how failed because he = did not=20 call the interviewer is off the mark. This was not an article about the = artists=20 (if it was an interview would be appropriate), but a review of a piece = of work=20 that if the finished product is what the artist intended (and not = negatively=20 altered by a label or producer etc) than the work should stand on its = own. Some=20 people will connect, others won't. Some people may not connect this year = but=20 after getting a deeper understanding of the genre 10 years from now may = be=20 deeply touched. If a certain set of facts or history are integral to=20 experiencing the work, that information should be included in the liner = notes.=20

As fun as it is to bash critics (and a few do deserve it) they are = our=20 allies and they often have tough jobs. Every day the guy comes into an = office=20 and he has an editor breathing down his neck to get X number of words = written to=20 fill in the space between the home depot and Applebee's ads. If the = artist or=20 label feels that there is background information that is integral to the = understanding of the work then they should provide it. Even at a more = basic=20 level if there is a particular slant or thing about the artists or the = work that=20 the artist would like noted then they should provide that as well. That = is the=20 purpose of a "one sheet". Since Krispen had a fixed idea of what kind of = things=20 a listener should understand about this work, it would make sense that = it be=20 spelled out for the press. There is no media outlet of any stature that = has the=20 time to do in depth research about a local indie release (of any genre). = When=20 they do, it is a a great opportunity for the artists and far more value = than a=20 paid ad in the paper. PT Barnum said "There is no such thing as bad = press as=20 long as they spell my name right". Its great thing for creative artists = to get=20 exposure of any kind because a paper will sell a lot more copies with a = sexy=20 photo of Hillary Duff and a review of her MTV "performance" than a = review of a=20 local looping CD.

The music myself and many on this list is by its very nature = foreign to a=20 lot of the listening world. Over the next year my company is actually = about to=20 launch a few projects with the purpose of trying to bridge the gap = between a lot=20 of looping music and people that might be touched by it. I think the = trick will=20 be the right combo of education to help people understand more about = where some=20 of this music is coming from, but also trying to present in a way that = respects=20 where the rest of the world is coming from. Should be fun.

BTW. I really like Krispen's music.


Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho = Valdes,=20 Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching = the art=20 and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny = &=20 Cher)
------_=_NextPart_001_01C57603.EE4E1ACC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 03:00:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 800913BF94; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c5760d$97dfb4c0$ad995142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088A7E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:01:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:00:59 +0000 (UTC) >> If you feel your work is misinterpreted then its your job as artist to make sure it doesn't get misinterpreted next time. You do that by making better art, not by crying 'foul' at the audience. > This is a curious thing. I happen to agree with it (especially taking it out of context of the discussion-I haven't heard Kris' music). I think it goes both ways. Last Wednesday, my loop show to me was a tragic failure, yet the audience really liked it. I had requests to get on the mailing list (which I don't have) and for recordings (which I didn't bring). However, had I made "better art" and been satisfied by my own performance, would I have gotten the positive audience reaction? Should I cry foul at the audience for liking what I did? Hi Edwin... I've had MANY similar instances in more esoteric ensembles as well as good 'ol rock bands. My take on it is that the AUDIENCE is ultimately the real judge of your music in a public context. The second thing is that I believe *desperation* from the performer is many times picked up as a passionate, intimate, intense, cathartic (you name your emotion) experience... lending validation that some real emotional event took place. You could be crying up there, and they'll rush up and regale you with various compliments and enthusiasm. It's perverse in it's irony... They like it RAW baby! That's just the way it is... -Miko now playing: Rough - biffoz www.cdbaby.com/biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 04:47:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD56F3BF69; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5761C.58A3243B" Subject: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:47:35 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV2HFfPvBxcyXyaQ6C82KcpnjkUng== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 04:47:37.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[590BBAF0:01C5761C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:47:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5761C.58A3243B Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C5761C.58A3243B" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C5761C.58A3243B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject heading "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one more time, I'm going to throw up...I feel as if I've created a not-so-Tiny Monster Ex Nihilo! :)=20 I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise, Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take credit for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not sure if anyone has discussed it here before either. So here it is... How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. Has it been done? Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to do it? Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out, perhaps.... Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done? ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Mojam Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm ------_=_NextPart_002_01C5761C.58A3243B Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP

Okay, how about a topical detour? I = think if I see the email subject heading "RE: Why I'm starting to = loath news paper music critics" one more time, I'm going to throw = up…I feel as if I've created a not-so-Tiny Monster Ex Nihilo! :) =

I introduced looping to a fellow = guitarist and friend here in Boise, Idaho (USA), and he brought this up = as an idea, so I can't take credit for it. I searched or it on the LD = archives with no luck, so I'm not sure if anyone has discussed it here = before either.  So here it is…

How about creating a looped piece by = using the multiply function on the EDP and the series of prime numbers = (only numbers that are divisible by themselves or 1).  For = instance, you hit Record and lay down a 1 measure groove, then hit = Multiply and record a 2 measure harmony over that groove from the = beginning of the measure….hit Multiply to play the sequence, then = hit Multiply again and record a 3 measure texture part, again from the = beginning of the first measure, and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, = 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures adding various textures, melodies, etc. = After a while you might have to write the song out on paper to keep = track of the loops.

Has it been done?  Or perhaps the = question is why would anyone want to do it?  Someone who likes = mathematics and working these things out, perhaps….

Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it = already done?

**********************************************************= ******************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Mojam Performance = Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung
Gear setup: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
Featured, Sold, = or Downloadable on over 100 sites:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm<= /A>
Music & Video = Catalogue:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm
37 Free = downloadable songs in MP3 format:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm=
Reviews: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm




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But then afterwards we went > the the pub, smoked cubanos, and got stinkin' drunk together on dark > beer. It's a shame we can't do that here! > Ahhh, yeah, some of my fondest college memories were of getting drunk with my philosophy professors as well. As I remember, and the memories are vague, bourbon was the drink of choice. And I wasn't even a philosophy major! It was just that none of my music or computer science profs were any fun to go drinking with. Kris, I've caught up to this thread today, having been on the road with limited email access for the last 2 weeks. I know exactly how you feel about the review, and have definitely had the urge to tell critics just exactly how wrong they are about my music. And I've had a few doozies, like the time a 3-band compilation 10" I was on was reviewed by a leading regional music mag, and the reviewer had all the wrong tracks associated with each band. And it didn't really matter anyway, because he hated all 3 bands. But, whether it was the right thing to do or not, I've generally kept quiet about it. As someone mentioned earlier, you can definitely get a few blurbs from the review that would look positive in your press kit. And that's about the most you can expect from any review. Hell, from reading the review, I'd probably buy your record. But I'm an aging wierdo music dork and not part of any important demographic you should be marketing to anyway... BTW, I'm totally stoked, my band is opening for Roy "futureman" Wooten this week! From the press for his current show, it sounds like he's doing some very interesting stuff with live looping on this show, a duet with a DJ. Check out http://www.wowhall.org/events.php for some press about the show, and there are some pictures of his setup at http://www.futuremanmusic.com/eyes.html. Sounds like a very interesting show! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 06:12:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03DBD3BF6E; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:12:26 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CCB@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV2JGgf3xNKCYFJQ1a4oA0vN9uL5QAAnybg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 06:12:28.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[336ABDD0:01C57628] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, let's just put two and two together and get this out in the open:=20 - I have a bachelor's degree in Philosophy, meaning I like to debate - I have a master's degree in Technical Communication, meaning I like to write - I am a musician, meaning I have an artistic side and I'm passionate about it - I work for a major fortune 500 computer/technology company, meaning I'm addicted to the computer! Well, there you have it...inevitable misery for eternity! Congratulations on the opening up gig, David! I saw future man here in Boise with Bella. Amazing. I'd like to try to get my didgeridu player to put a bunch of trigger buttons on his didg so he can do crazy stuff like that while playing. K-=20 -----Original Message----- From: David Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org]=20 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 05:04 PM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > Ahhhh yes, all this discussion about music critics and evaluation=20 > reminds me of the days when was getting my philosophy degree and we=20 > attended inter-collegiate debates on topics within various=20 > philosophical departments like ontology, epistemology, metaphysics,=20 > ethics, philosophy of science, etc...ohhhh the horrors...there was=20 > gnashing of teeth, laser beam glares, and viscious, caustic remarks.=20 > But then afterwards we went the the pub, smoked cubanos, and got=20 > stinkin' drunk together on dark beer. It's a shame we can't do that=20 > here! > Ahhh, yeah, some of my fondest college memories were of getting drunk with my philosophy professors as well. As I remember, and the memories are vague, bourbon was the drink of choice. And I wasn't even a philosophy major! It was just that none of my music or computer science profs were any fun to go drinking with. Kris, I've caught up to this thread today, having been on the road with limited email access for the last 2 weeks. I know exactly how you feel about the review, and have definitely had the urge to tell critics just exactly how wrong they are about my music. And I've had a few doozies, like the time a 3-band compilation 10" I was on was reviewed by a leading regional music mag, and the reviewer had all the wrong tracks associated with each band. And it didn't really matter anyway, because he hated all 3 bands. But, whether it was the right thing to do or not, I've generally kept quiet about it. As someone mentioned earlier, you can definitely get a few blurbs from the review that would look positive in your press kit. And that's about the most you can expect from any review. Hell, from reading the review, I'd probably buy your record. But I'm an aging wierdo music dork and not part of any important demographic you should be marketing to anyway... BTW, I'm totally stoked, my band is opening for Roy "futureman" Wooten this week! From the press for his current show, it sounds like he's doing some very interesting stuff with live looping on this show, a duet with a DJ. Check out http://www.wowhall.org/events.php for some press about the show, and there are some pictures of his setup at http://www.futuremanmusic.com/eyes.html. Sounds like a very interesting show! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 09:30:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5F833BF6C; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0iQKfD2bZEyjCjmEzPTZaMkAFyG6c7ku3XJKmZDM3p51isgh5QdslqKqsb/9gssCYkoj8JuoBXfPZW0y0jNzufiKCmH4d5nsIBFMMWm827plMfIHYPdFcrCrES4B84sHvv+pLwF77FXNMLbV7X6s3fF/kZmAdkeHaWlky9IhGp8= ; Message-ID: <20050621093000.61008.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: re:Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3_3vIC.A.pcG.m49tCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:30:14 +0000 (UTC) O.T. to your ot... There is a cool freeware music program using fractals and math to make midi files/music: "Music in the Numbers" http://reglos.de/musinum/ =RANDY LEIFER= ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 10:47:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5EC83BF52; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1119350817!25541283!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19F@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: jamman | bob sellon software Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:48:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5764E.BF5FCB20" Resent-Message-ID: <9rbdZD.A.Z4C.kA_tCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:47:00 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5764E.BF5FCB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have been using the upgrade from Sellon (vers 4.0 I believe) for a couple of years now. At first it was very confusing...much different than the standard JamMan setup. [giant snip] I have had great success using my upgraded JamMan. It is still my primary loopig device.<< wow. with a recommendation like that, I will certainly give it another try. thanks max. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I have been using the upgrade from Sellon (vers 4.0 I believe) for a couple
of years now.  At first it was very confusing...much different than the
standard JamMan setup. [giant snip]
I have had  great success using my upgraded JamMan.  It is still my primary
loopig device.<<

wow. with a recommendation like that, I will certainly give it another try. thanks max.

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looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19F@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A19F@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <360f74e183f29f6427f58b7a4597dc76@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: jamman | bob sellon software Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:30:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:29:56 +0000 (UTC) I mostly lurk around here these days but I'll delurk now and pipe in here that I totally agree with Max that Bob's upgrade for the Jamster is way cooler than the original version even with the few bugs that are in it. In Bob's own words the front panel interface is "terse" so you don't get a lot of visual feedback about what you are doing. The visual feedback you do get is consistent though (I helped Bob debug that) but you have to learn what you are looking at and what it means. I definitely recommend using a good MIDI controller so you have access to all of the cool features he put in it. My favorite feature is the ability to go between loop and delay mode with feedback control in delay mode. I'm still using version 4 myself but I think there is a newer Version 6 that you can download from his website which has some new things in it but I don't have any way to burn a ROM so I haven't been able to check it out. I haven't talked to Bob in a while but this has gotten me interested in checking in with him to see if he is still doing anything with the ROM. Please give him feedback if you use the ROM because this is mostly a labor of love (and fun) for him these days and he might continue to develop it if there's any interest. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 13:46:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81D253BFA2; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:46:21 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CF2@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV2Q9hrZaNUtF+WRaiUvEpOK42qKgAIx5nw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 13:46:23.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CBBA760:01C57667] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:46:24 +0000 (UTC) You could compose some bizarre tune like Zappa's Civilization Phase III....maybe call it Mars Colonizatin Phase I. I still need to get that CD, btw....like it so much, but it is so damn expensive lately. The first time I heard Civ. Phase III, I cracked up....didn't he used one of those $100,000 Sinclaviar computer/sequencer/machines to compose that? Or am I thinking of Metheny, McLaughlin, or someone else who have some gtr synth, where there are only a few in the world. K-=20 -----Original Message----- From: Randy Leifer [mailto:redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 3:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP O.T. to your ot... There is a cool freeware music program using fractals and math to make midi files/music:=20 "Music in the Numbers" http://reglos.de/musinum/ =3DRANDY LEIFER=3D =09 ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 14:17:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31BE03BFA1; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:17:41 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D08@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV2Y6WslQJBl6bCSJqneYrlmmgw4gABDDyw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 14:17:43.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD3E3D60:01C5766B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:17:44 +0000 (UTC) No kidding? I should have known someone would have done something similar. Bravo! I'd love to hear the recording. G Lydian....nice. I've always liked that mode. It is the compliment to one of my favorite chords to use in jazz and abstract music, the Maj7b5 (or Maj7#4), which incidentally in most versions of jazz theory is the fourth mode chord (by function) in the scale of chords, using the major scales as the foundation. I - C Maj7 ii - D Min7 iii - E Min7b9 IV - Fmaj#4 V - G7 ....and so on. Most people play a Fmaj7 as the IV chord, but technically it should have the #4/b5, otherwise you have a minor second interval conflict between the mode and chord. Now what I really find intriguing is jazz melodic minor theory. Just take the conventional system above, but use them melodic minor (not the classical version, that descends differently), as the first mode, and so on. Very odd and counter-intuitive at first. My friend, Mark Levine, who wrote the Jazz Theory Book and Jazz Piano Book has a whole section on melodic minor harmony, which I think is brilliant. Incidentally, if you don't feel comfortable playing the maj7#4 chord, you can use it anytime you need to play a Dominant 13th, just play the maj7#4 a whole step below where you would ordinarily play the Dominant 13th. For instance, an Fmaj7#4 can be played as a rootless substitute of the G13. Fmaj7#4 contains the b7, 3, 6, and 9 intervals of G13 (the 6th interval here can be regarded as a substitute of the 13th). You don' need the root if you have a bass player tagging it for you. And the 9 makes it complete, otherwise without it, it would be a G7/13.=20 Guitarists see #3 here: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/chords/ for how I play the chord. It's not at all difficult to finger and feels very natural.=20 Speaking of Zappa, he liked to play the Lydian mode a lot. You can hear it on many of his recordings where he is playing guitar. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP I actually have a piece that I'd conceived of prior to getting my EDP 6 years ago that does exactly that. It's called "Gradus." I start off with a single-measure loop and then build a mensural rosalia with successive passes of multiply with duration ratios of 2:1, 3:1, 5:1, 7:1, 11:1, and 13:1. After building the massive rosalia, I turn down the feedback and improvise over G lydian for the 2nd 'movement' which eventually fades out. I did come up with two separate scores for the piece. One is an 'artistic' score in the vein of George Crumb's beautiful scores where the staff spirals out from the center. I also have a performance score which implements the beginnings of a notational system for the EDP footpedal. (The notation system could easily be adapted to any footpedal configuration.) It's funny, though, I conceived of the piece back in 1993, before I'd ever heard of looping, but never quite figured out what to do with it until I got the EDP 5 years later. I wrote the piece in my first session with my brand new EDP. I've got a recording of a performance from the 2003 Iowa Composers Forum Festival that I can post sometime this week. It'll give me an excuse to finally clean up that recording (the original recording was made on an ADAT set to 48k and was not resampled when transferred to CD, so the piece is slower and in the wrong key). Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/20/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > =20 >=20 > Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject=20 > heading > "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one more=20 > time, I'm going to throw up...I feel as if I've created a not-so-Tiny Monster Ex Nihilo! > :) >=20 > I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise,=20 > Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take credit > for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not=20 > sure if anyone has discussed it here before either. So here it is... >=20 > How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on=20 > the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are=20 > divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay=20 > down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure=20 > harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit=20 > Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3=20 > measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure,=20 > and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures=20 > adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have=20 > to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. >=20 > Has it been done? Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to > do it? Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out, perhaps.... >=20 > Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done?=20 >=20 > ********************************************************************** > ****************** > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 > Mojam Performance Calendar: > = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= r > tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites:=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm > Music & Video Catalogue:=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format:=20 > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm > =20 > =20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 15:17:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2B5C3BF95; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:15:33 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP To: "Hartung, Kris" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002c01c57674$83675b80$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Odq3hIgP9DYmVBrTHj9ymQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:17:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Odq3hIgP9DYmVBrTHj9ymQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDPKris wrote: How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure..hit Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. I've been doing something like this for a while, most recently with two Boss DD-20 pedals. Because the DD-20 "only" goes up to 23 seconds of delay, I've based my work on beats, not measures. But two DD-20s will get me ten different numbers. By using their stereo outputs and inputs and feeding the output of one into the input of the other, I can build up longer and longer patterns without losing earlier ones. I also use a Boss GT-3 which, with its multiple user settings, is used for identical patches with different delay times. The GT-3 handles the one-, two-, and three-beat rhythms, and the DD20s handle the bigger numbers. One suggestion for others on this journey: Leave space. The conjunction of emptiness is as exciting (to these ears) as the conjunction of melodies/sound. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson --Boundary_(ID_Odq3hIgP9DYmVBrTHj9ymQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the = EDP

Kris wrote:

How about creating a looped piece by = using the=20 multiply function on the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only = numbers that=20 are divisible by themselves or 1).  For instance, you hit Record = and lay=20 down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure = harmony over=20 that groove from the beginning of the measure=85.hit Multiply to play = the=20 sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 measure texture part, = again=20 from the beginning of the first measure, and repeat this process with 5, = 7, 11,=20 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures adding various textures, melodies, etc. = After a=20 while you might have to write the song out on paper to keep track of the = loops.

 
I've been doing something like this for a while, = most recently=20 with two Boss DD-20 pedals. Because the DD-20 "only" goes = up to 23=20 seconds of delay, I've based my work on beats, not measures. But two = DD-20s will=20 get me ten different numbers. By using their stereo outputs and inputs = and=20 feeding the output of one into the input of the other, I can build up = longer and=20 longer patterns without losing earlier ones. I also use a Boss GT-3 = which,=20 with its multiple user settings, is used for identical patches with = different=20 delay times. The GT-3 handles the one-, two-, and three-beat rhythms, = and the=20 DD20s handle the bigger numbers. One suggestion for others on this=20 journey: Leave space. The conjunction of emptiness is as exciting = (to these=20 ears) as the conjunction of melodies/sound.
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net<= /DIV>
 
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money = trench, a=20 long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die = like=20 dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. = Thompson
 

 
--Boundary_(ID_Odq3hIgP9DYmVBrTHj9ymQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 15:25:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618493BFA6; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57675.39E26C01" Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:23:49 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D3C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV2dE159QmCPCHWQxeBYHKro4KCPAAAKhyw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 15:23:51.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A3E9BC0:01C57675] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:25:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57675.39E26C01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent. Love that GT-3 don't you? I still have mine, but it's in storage...bought the Boss VF-1 to replace it, which has amost the same sounds. But I don't plan to get rid of the GT-3....very convenient for when you can't pack a rack around...just plug your guitar in and go. =20 I can't wait to tell my friend that folk have been using this prime number, or variation thereof, idea with looping. =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:16 AM To: Hartung, Kris; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Kris wrote: How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. =20 I've been doing something like this for a while, most recently with two Boss DD-20 pedals. Because the DD-20 "only" goes up to 23 seconds of delay, I've based my work on beats, not measures. But two DD-20s will get me ten different numbers. By using their stereo outputs and inputs and feeding the output of one into the input of the other, I can build up longer and longer patterns without losing earlier ones. I also use a Boss GT-3 which, with its multiple user settings, is used for identical patches with different delay times. The GT-3 handles the one-, two-, and three-beat rhythms, and the DD20s handle the bigger numbers. One suggestion for others on this journey: Leave space. The conjunction of emptiness is as exciting (to these ears) as the conjunction of melodies/sound.=20 =20 Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net =20 "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57675.39E26C01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the = EDP
Excellent. Love that GT-3 don't you? I still = have mine, but=20 it's in storage...bought the Boss VF-1 to replace it, which has amost = the same=20 sounds. But I don't plan to get rid of the GT-3....very convenient for = when you=20 can't pack a rack around...just plug your guitar in and = go.
 
I can't wait to tell my friend that folk have = been using=20 this prime number, or variation thereof, idea with = looping.
 
Kris
 

From: Douglas Baldwin=20 [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 = 9:16=20 AM
To: Hartung, Kris;=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mathematics, = Prime=20 Numbers, & Looping with the EDP

Kris wrote:

How about creating a looped piece by = using the=20 multiply function on the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only = numbers that=20 are divisible by themselves or 1).  For instance, you hit Record = and lay=20 down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure = harmony over=20 that groove from the beginning of the measure….hit Multiply to = play the=20 sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 measure texture part, = again=20 from the beginning of the first measure, and repeat this process with 5, = 7, 11,=20 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures adding various textures, melodies, etc. = After a=20 while you might have to write the song out on paper to keep track of the = loops.

 
I've been doing something like this for a while, = most recently=20 with two Boss DD-20 pedals. Because the DD-20 "only" goes = up to 23=20 seconds of delay, I've based my work on beats, not measures. But two = DD-20s will=20 get me ten different numbers. By using their stereo outputs and inputs = and=20 feeding the output of one into the input of the other, I can build up = longer and=20 longer patterns without losing earlier ones. I also use a Boss GT-3 = which,=20 with its multiple user settings, is used for identical patches with = different=20 delay times. The GT-3 handles the one-, two-, and three-beat rhythms, = and the=20 DD20s handle the bigger numbers. One suggestion for others on this=20 journey: Leave space. The conjunction of emptiness is as exciting = (to these=20 ears) as the conjunction of melodies/sound.
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net<= /DIV>
 
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money = trench, a=20 long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die = like=20 dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. = Thompson
 

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C57675.39E26C01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 16:23:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D1433BFA1; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kEFXs7wzPp3X64Wu7/7qFYdxCj3sfJJF1H78i4so4jmxEGgXgQ/BmPHaDjZYOhx/PL8In52dsZPHEsiWEgwYa+5NeP0iqW4X1OopMxxuxLDl4HR4D0n/PMN9/38UcO34vG5anhMGSFw0Wicsk+u2Z90WG1+/RfRPGWSlq3WnCMo= Message-ID: <64b81a780506210922787bc519@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:22:29 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D3C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D3C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Love this discussion. What I wonder, though, is would it be possible to weave a melody using the prime sequence (or, ooh, the Fibonacci sequence) as note intervals? And, what would be better, using the sequence numbers as scale intervals or as frequency ratios? Then combine that with the rythmical divisions. I don't know how it'd sound, but it'd be an interesting exercise. :) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 16:23:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF043BFC6; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42B83F11.3000308@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:23:45 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:23:48 +0000 (UTC) How about doing this with the Fibonacci sequence, recently made popular again in the book "The DaVinci Code" 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, etc. Hartung, Kris wrote: > Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject > heading "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one > more time, I'm going to throw up…I feel as if I've created a > not-so-Tiny Monster Ex Nihilo! :) > > I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise, > Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take credit > for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not > sure if anyone has discussed it here before either. So here it is… > > How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on > the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are > divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay > down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure > harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure….hit > Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 > measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, > and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures > adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have > to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. > > Has it been done? Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to > do it? Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out, > perhaps…. > > Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done? > > **************************************************************************************** > > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > _http://www.krispenhartung.com_ > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Mojam Performance Calendar: > _http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung_ > > > Gear setup: _http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm_ > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: > _http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm_ > Music & Video Catalogue: > _http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm_ > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: > _http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm_ > Reviews: _http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm_ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 16:48:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EAA13BFAB; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:47:10 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D99@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV2fZdpt+uxztr1Tayx2Vukvj9UCAAAuWdQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 16:47:11.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEC4D460:01C57680] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Want to make it really challenging? Use the prime number method for loops, but make it a 12-tone composition....not "jack" 12 tone, but the Schoernberg method of using a row and matrix, etc.=20 ...sorry, count me out of this one. Heh heh. :) Sounds like it has Excedrin written all over it....make your brain explode. Great for a left brainer, hell for a right brainer (maybe). Kris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Love this discussion. What I wonder, though, is would it be possible to weave a melody using the prime sequence (or, ooh, the Fibonacci sequence) as note intervals? And, what would be better, using the sequence numbers as scale intervals or as frequency ratios? Then combine that with the rythmical divisions. I don't know how it'd sound, but it'd be an interesting exercise. :) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 16:48:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4FB03BF9C; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:48:18 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D9C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV2fZ1TcWFROrSWR2a+5s2NPUhpMQAA0ouQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 16:48:19.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[078B0FE0:01C57681] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, those 34 and 55 measure parts would be a real bitch.... Lot's of mathematical ideas here for looping. Pretty cool. K-=20 -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP How about doing this with the Fibonacci sequence, recently made popular again in the book "The DaVinci Code" 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, etc. Hartung, Kris wrote: > Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject=20 > heading "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one=20 > more time, I'm going to throw up...I feel as if I've created a=20 > not-so-Tiny Monster Ex Nihilo! :) > > I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise,=20 > Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take credit > for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not=20 > sure if anyone has discussed it here before either. So here it is... > > How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on=20 > the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are=20 > divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay=20 > down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure=20 > harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit=20 > Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3=20 > measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure,=20 > and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures=20 > adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have=20 > to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. > > Has it been done? Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to=20 > do it? Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out,=20 > perhaps.... > > Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done? > > ********************************************************************** > ****************** > > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 > _http://www.krispenhartung.com_ info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Mojam Performance Calendar: > = _http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20H= a > rtung_=20 > = rtung> > > Gear setup: _http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm_ > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: > _http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm_ > Music & Video Catalogue: > _http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm_ > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: > _http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm_ > Reviews: _http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm_ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 17:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 989FE3C004; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:12:04 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c57684$597de270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D9C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Done that, been there. Not me, but Bartok... -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP How about doing this with the Fibonacci sequence, recently made popular again in the book "The DaVinci Code" 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 17:19:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2FA73BFF5; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i7AFN/mUo7HMUhP92h3R+EhwdSzuDTePNeZ6ss8/kYDEzK4r/xi4At/0Rb6v7ysOnvnpIW4kWkr3nDitqsKvqpMC42KNSiqY+djcfLV0gDWeTu+eknGraML2dwlNzbyDAApVVwA7hEtNDK98nFl0gynSGhC86IuqlpTwI6v9+OM= Message-ID: <64b81a7805062110187c13ab7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:18:29 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D9C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D9C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:19:01 +0000 (UTC) On 6/21/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Lot's of mathematical ideas here for looping. Pretty cool. Hm. I wonder if it'd be possible to work out rules for musical arithmetic. Operations like adding, subtracting, multiplying, or dividing two musical phrases. After that it'd be a simple leap to create a musical algebra. Calculus might be harder...give a whole new definition to 'roots' music. :) I find there is a certain beauty in the relationships between various numbers (11*11 =3D 121, as a very simple example) and I wonder if similar beauty or symmetry would arise with regard to music manipulated in this manner. Sounds like we need to find us a mathematics major before we go too much further. ;) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 17:36:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB4B13C008; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q6r4DvDON5GOMaeHf24wlh+9RqjuIugKDjGxGP10z3lAiDlKOLg7hXfsnSPgvDIQpOkO59kbnBG0hM7QK5t5rJRoeUlwK62+gGub+nGxpgap7YOmZtcRpW56zf83svZcPeuSEVLOqw2GHZcBCQckUpGVSqME1VjskWpCa3jroog= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:29:41 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP In-Reply-To: <64b81a780506210922787bc519@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D3C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <64b81a780506210922787bc519@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5HUeVC.A.xRE.WAFuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Check out the writings of Joseph Schillinger for ideas in using natural sequences like the Fibonacci series for rhythmic, harmonic, and melodic ideas. Also, Bartok's music is full of Fibonacci examples. In fact, if I remember correctly, the final phrase of the first movement of his Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta is made up exclusively of intervals in the Fibonacci series (if counting half-steps). One of my current works in progress uses the Fibonacci series both in large-scale formal organization (recursive, actually, down to the phrase level) as well as pitch organization. Here's a glimpse at one way I use Fibonacci for pitch: 1) Take an interval of 13 half-steps (say C-->Db) 2) Divide it into it's Fib. components: 8+5. C-->Ab-->Db 3) Rotate the 8+5 interval sequence to 5+8: C-->F-->Db 4) Combine the sets in steps 2 and 3: C-->F-->Ab-->Db (interval sequence: 5= +3+5) 5) Rotate the 5+3+5 interval sequence to 3+5+5: C-->Eb-->Ab-->Db 6) Rotate to 5+5+3: C-->F-->Bb-->Db 7) Combine 4-6: C-->Eb-->F-->Ab-->Bb-->Db (3+2+3+2+3) 8) Rotate (2+3+2+3+3): C-->D-->F-->G-->Bb-->Db 9) Rotate (3+2+3+3+2): C-->Eb-->F-->Ab-->B-->Db 10) Rotate (2+3+3+2+3): C-->D-->F-->Ab-->Bb-->Db 11) Rotate (3+3+2+3+2): C-->Eb-->Gb-->Ab-->B-->Db 12) Combine: C-->D-->Eb-->F-->Gb-->G-->Ab-->Bb-->B-->Db (2+1+2+1+1+1+2+1+2) If you repeat the steps again, you end up with the chromatic scale, so I stopped there. I'm particularly fond of using the Fibonacci series for formal organization, but this is the first time I've tried building any pitch material with it. I'm also quite fond of the prime numbers. I've got a song cycle where the piano part in one of the movements is isorhythmic using 5 chords and 7 rhythms (I think--it's been 8 years since I've looked at the score). The rhythms themselves were also derived from the resultant polyrhythm of 3 prime numbers. This is a technique that I cheerfully stole from a combination of Schillinger and Messiaen. Using the prime sequence or Fibonacci sequence as frequency ratios can yield either very 'normal' stuff or very wild stuff, depending on how you would implement it. I wrote a piece for guitar and 'tape' (called "Cthulhu") while in grad school where the tape part opens with a bell-like instrument created in Kyma using FM synthesis where the carrier and modulator were at 'golden-section' ratio to one another (the ratio to which the Fibonacci sequence increasingly approaches). It was a wild sound. On the other hand, I've played with prime number frequency ratios with Csound and Audiomulch tone generators and the result was a very cohesive timbre. Melodically, you'd probably want to reduce the ratios to within an octave or at least within a couple octaves. This is similar to a technique used by any number of composers working in Just Intonation: 7:1 becomes 7:4 so that it falls between 1:1 and 2:1 (or 1/1 and 2/1). It'd take me a lot of practice on my fretless guitar to be able to reliably play intervals of 13/11 or 11/7 or (gulp) 89/47. This is where Csound or other computer music programs become invaluable. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/21/05, Todd Pafford wrote: > Love this discussion. What I wonder, though, is would it be possible > to weave a melody using the prime sequence (or, ooh, the Fibonacci > sequence) as note intervals? And, what would be better, using the > sequence numbers as scale intervals or as frequency ratios? Then > combine that with the rythmical divisions. >=20 > I don't know how it'd sound, but it'd be an interesting exercise. :) >=20 > Todd >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 17:44:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4203C014; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UGvAXVpwsX4+D3qM934mCjjRvpiyIxmmEqbplFabD5zy2bSPIv0Hes3KebccI7TGn1a8f10TMqMuPwLshJV8j3Y1RYszKbQtKPJkAN9ZkDkahfHuC8sirFqHDpT1FVGyFE70DXL96b18CevZDAodBFsGU/MbCvUqPK49lbBHvZo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:43:22 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Todd Pafford Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a7805062110187c13ab7c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D9C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <64b81a7805062110187c13ab7c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:44:28 +0000 (UTC) There's an interesting book called "Automatic Music" by Tom Johnson that describes building recursive processes for building melodies and such. An interesting read and provides fodder for lots of experimentation. Joseph Schillinger wrote a gigantic book called "The Mathematical Basis for the Arts". His "Schillinger Method of Composition" definitely falls under the realm of defining a sort of musical algebra. Certainly the writings of just about any serial composer of the 20th century is replete with a certain amount of musical alegra/calculus (though, more accurately probably "geometry"). The composer Robert D Morris has a book called "Composition with Pitch Classes" that has some very interesting ideas. He also had an interesting article in The Open Space Magazine that touches on a few of the ideas from that book in a more easily digestible form (at least for me). The article was called "Some things I learned (didn't learn) from Milton Babbitt, or why I am (am not) a serial composer." Cheers, Jon Southwood P.S. I only mention these things as possible resources for adding tools to one's compositional arsenal, not as an endorsement of any particular theory's/technique's suitability to any artist's idiom. On 6/21/05, Todd Pafford wrote: > On 6/21/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > Lot's of mathematical ideas here for looping. Pretty cool. >=20 > Hm. I wonder if it'd be possible to work out rules for musical > arithmetic. Operations like adding, subtracting, multiplying, or > dividing two musical phrases. After that it'd be a simple leap to > create a musical algebra. Calculus might be harder...give a whole new > definition to 'roots' music. :) >=20 > I find there is a certain beauty in the relationships between various > numbers (11*11 =3D 121, as a very simple example) and I wonder if > similar beauty or symmetry would arise with regard to music > manipulated in this manner. >=20 > Sounds like we need to find us a mathematics major before we go too > much further. ;) >=20 > Todd >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 17:47:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B20ED3C01B; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D08@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D08@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:41:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:47:08 +0000 (UTC) At 8:17 AM -0600 6/21/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > >....and so on. Most people play a Fmaj7 as the IV chord, but technically >it should have the #4/b5, otherwise you have a minor second interval >conflict between the mode and chord. I find that a lot of players will play most maj7 chords as lydian. Have you checked out George Russell's Lydian Chromatic concept? Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 17:48:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6EDB3C012; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:48:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <64b81a780506210922787bc519@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:48:44 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 09:22 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > Love this discussion. What I wonder, though, is would it be possible > to weave a melody using the prime sequence (or, ooh, the Fibonacci > sequence) as note intervals? And, what would be better, using the > sequence numbers as scale intervals or as frequency ratios? Then > combine that with the rythmical divisions. > > I don't know how it'd sound, but it'd be an interesting exercise. :) > > Todd > Elliott Sharp did some early pieces with his band Carbon where the tuning ratios of his homebrew string instruments and the rhythms of the pieces were derived from the Fibonacci sequence. I'd have to dig through my lp's to find which record it's on, it was one of his early discs for SST, from when Carbon was a large ensemble, before morphing into the kick-ass rock band they later became. As I recall, the music was loud, aggressive and very chaotic, as Elliott's music tends to be... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 18:08:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 134453C00F; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:06:54 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088DD6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV2iUCrr++1HWftTqqJVrDlhsOCyQAACMaQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 18:06:56.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[02995770:01C5768C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:08:29 +0000 (UTC) > I find that a lot of players will play most maj7 chords as lydian. Same here. And it won't usually cause any issues.....but the #4 in the Lydian "could" be an avoid note, if the comper is playing the 5th interval in the major7 strongly, and the soloist is dwelling on the #4 for too long...but aside from that limited context, it could sound quite nice as a chromatic fill. Metheny does it all of the time. I love to play chromatically to generate brief moments of tension and release. In fact, I don't think I've played a straight vanilla scale or mode in years! My finger memory has forgotten how. :) > Have you checked out George Russell's Lydian Chromatic concept? Yup. Haven't applied it in some time, though, unfortunately. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 19:14:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0DD3BFF7; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007f01c57695$af793c90$0300a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050621093000.61008.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: re:Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:14:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:14:49 +0000 (UTC) There are quite a few actually. I did a bunch of fractal programming in college. Very cool stuff. Anyway, my favorite of the fractal midi generators is FMusic http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/FMusic/ It's more based on cellular automata, but still very cool. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Leifer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:30 AM Subject: re:Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP > O.T. to your ot... > There is a cool freeware music program using fractals > and math to make midi files/music: > > "Music in the Numbers" > http://reglos.de/musinum/ > > =RANDY LEIFER= > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 19:40:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766243BFC0; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42B86D22.5090700@biink.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:40:18 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Southwood Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D3C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <64b81a780506210922787bc519@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Jon Southwood wrote: > > Melodically, you'd probably want to reduce the ratios to within an > octave or at least within a couple octaves. This is similar to a > technique used by any number of composers working in Just Intonation: > 7:1 becomes 7:4 so that it falls between 1:1 and 2:1 (or 1/1 and 2/1). > It'd take me a lot of practice on my fretless guitar to be able to > reliably play intervals of 13/11 or 11/7 or (gulp) 89/47. This is > where Csound or other computer music programs become invaluable. You could just buy a cheap hardware synth. That's how we did it in the old days. Or tune the open strings of a guitar with a tuner, loop it and play along with the fretless. And suddenly it's not a case of a lot of practice, but a little experience. 89/47 is 1105.373 cents. Not too far from a 1100 cent 12tet M7th. I used to do MIDI composition that had loads of ratios and rhythms, I stopped that when I started getting performances. I started getting minimal when the performances sucked and I started performing with a guitar controller and microtonal synth letting go of the rhythmic possibilities. Tuning with ratios makes a better connection with the listener. >-- >* David Beardsley >* microtonal guitar >* http://biink.com/db > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 20:17:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 869593BF05; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AG6OSxDx9ks1xBofKiJhNGHleH4578HWMKEd2SqX2klce6WErR8xUWtSYxwcSscokf7FVh4eX39eddpQvKpPoqX5KetJz23yL3xmcetPH2m6Hj/vbfRttp6cV0nKOsPT6lAt31R7LM6/usMaqFWTNlSi8Hs89KvnkiaQ2ar+r7M= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:09:23 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42B86D22.5090700@biink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D3C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <64b81a780506210922787bc519@mail.gmail.com> <42B86D22.5090700@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_65W1C.A.IjB.uXHuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:17:50 +0000 (UTC) My main reason for buying a fretless guitar in the first place was to explore just intonation. It keeps getting bumped down the priority list, though. I've, unfortunately, never owned a synth capable of setting up tuning tables. Oh, and I just remembered another option for making it more performable (extended just intonation on guitar, that is): the ol' nylon fret trick. The hardest part is fine-tuning the intonation of the frets (and getting used to the back of the neck being 'ribbed'). Hmmm, maybe I need to devise a project to move things up the priority list. Perhaps an installation along the lines of La Monte Young... Cheers, Jon Southwood=20 On 6/21/05, David Beardsley wrote: > Jon Southwood wrote: >=20 > > > > Melodically, you'd probably want to reduce the ratios to within an > > octave or at least within a couple octaves. This is similar to a > > technique used by any number of composers working in Just Intonation: > > 7:1 becomes 7:4 so that it falls between 1:1 and 2:1 (or 1/1 and 2/1). > > It'd take me a lot of practice on my fretless guitar to be able to > > reliably play intervals of 13/11 or 11/7 or (gulp) 89/47. This is > > where Csound or other computer music programs become invaluable. >=20 > You could just buy a cheap hardware synth. That's how we did it in the > old days. > Or tune the open strings of a guitar with a tuner, loop it and play > along with the fretless. > And suddenly it's not a case of a lot of practice, but a little experienc= e. >=20 > 89/47 is 1105.373 cents. Not too far from a 1100 cent 12tet M7th. >=20 > I used to do MIDI composition that had loads of ratios and rhythms, > I stopped that when I started getting performances. I started getting > minimal > when the performances sucked and I started performing with a guitar > controller > and microtonal synth letting go of the rhythmic possibilities. >=20 > Tuning with ratios makes a better connection with the listener. >=20 > >-- > >* David Beardsley > >* microtonal guitar > >* http://biink.com/db > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 20:51:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4423BFDE; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019101c576a3$08436af0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Crediting Bernhard Wagner Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:51:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:51:44 +0000 (UTC) I wrote a short ditty, crediting Andre LaFosse with turning me onto the INS=SUB function, quantized to 8th notes EDP technique that I love to use so much in concert. Bernhard Wagner wrote me and reminded me that he was actually the person who taught me how to use that technique with the EDP. I had forgotten this entirely and wanted to publicly apologize to my good friend Bernhard for this oversite. Here is the letter I sent him which explains the history of me and this technique so that all involved will get the credit due: Dear Bernhard, About me writing about where I first heard the retriggering of short loops with a drum machine technique in the EDP, you inquired: "I'm eager to learn why you credit Andre for this." You had also pointed to an email I had written to you after reading a post about that technique on L.D. where I had asked you how you had achieved that very same technique right before your beautiful Y2K4 performance that you had taught me the technique. Thanks for reminding me of this. The answer, in truth, is because I saw him do it live in concert long before I ever met you. He used that technique the second time I saw him play in Santa Cruz at least a year or more before I met you at Loopstock. You can ask him, because I immediatley went up to him after his Santa Cruz appearance and excitedly told him how inspiring it was and how much I wanted to jump up on stage and drum with him. He even told me how to do it, but I didn't own an EDP at the time and didn't even understand it's complex architecture so I knew the technique existed but not how to actually make it happen. Later in Switzerland, Matthias Grob showed me again how to accomplish this techniqe but I was really new to the EDP and didn't have the luxury of learning it as I was on a long tour and away from my laboratory. I didn't learn it then either, I blush to say. As you accurately point out, you did show me how to do the technique the first time I retained the information and I honestly had forgotten that you had. Please forgive me. It was an unintentional oversite and slip of memory on my part and I apologize if you took offence because of it. Credit for the learning the details of that technique are due to you and thanks for reminding long term memory impaired brain. Again, my apologies. you also wrote: "I'm afraid triggering short loops from a drum machine has nothing to do with 8th replacement." Yes, you are again, of course correct. I was really tired when I wrote that and writing really fast and confused two different techniques. What I meant and communicated really poorly, is that I love how the EDP can segment the loops in controllable ways with several different techniques. Again, forgive my innaccuracies and thanks for your knowledge in pointing them out to you. I always learn from you, Bernhard. Thanks and with warmth and a lot of respect I remain your friend and supporter, Rick. **************************************************************************** ****** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 21:08:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C473BFD7; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:05:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1092734363==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:08:58 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1092734363==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:47 PM -0600 6/20/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: >How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on >the EDP and the series of prime numbers...Has it been done? I do this as a matter of course in most of my performances. >Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to do it? I do it because one of the main reasons I use looping is to explore relationships between voices (or between variants of a source voice). The first loop pieces I remember hearing were such things as "Come Out" where even the idea of a prime number relationship was pretty "straight." So for me the use of primes is a way to keep the music pulsatile while avoiding simplistic metric relationships. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1092734363==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP
At 10:47 PM -0600 6/20/05, Hartung, Kris wrote:

How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on the EDP and the series of prime numbers...Has it been done? 

I do this as a matter of course in most of my performances.

Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to do it? 

I do it because one of the main reasons I use looping is to explore relationships between voices (or between variants of a source voice). The first loop pieces I remember hearing were such things as "Come Out" where even the idea of a prime number relationship was pretty "straight."
 
So for me the use of primes is a way to keep the music pulsatile while avoiding simplistic metric relationships.
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--============_-1092734363==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 21:28:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7948E3BF9C; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XPO02jILb2K5kYTCKhR4b4J/kHuGSIiWDatbBUREMU1Da3RZJ/waix8yzF55LKPl9jO25n6hzX1LwgzWM9DthMMmrnaEIaXCuZSL4nW7j3xYrqbsiosBPYxSBtUi2Ab5AIWyj+RbqTTy9LpimxTG+CsyHma6nTCjHlwvl2Ul+VQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:28:06 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Indeed, the same is true for me. As a child, I was always intrigued (hip-mo-tized, more like) by columns of turn signals that flashed asynchronously; or wiper blades of multiple cars sweeping at different speeds and different intervals, etc. It was out of that fascination I conceived "Gradus," but with the 'quantization' of the asynchronous loops to a coordinating grid for purposes of performability. I tend to enjoy playing with multiple planes of time simultaneously and certainly enjoying hearing others do so. Messiaen and Carter are definite influences on me in this regard (though I've never approached the complexity of Carter's use of time). Incidentally, I just remembered that early experiments with prime numbers and voices moving at different speeds were done using Tim Thompson's KeyKit, particularly the kboom tool. Actually multiple kboom tools, sometimes sync'd to a common grid, sometimes free. Tim was particularly helpful in e-mail exchanges while I was building these contraptions. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/21/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: > =20 > So for me the use of primes is a way to keep the music pulsatile while > avoiding simplistic metric relationships. --=20 >=20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 22:16:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E13F53BFF5; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <281EBA98-F66F-4B2D-9FE5-02139AC13D4F@chrissewell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: FCB 1010 Expression Pedals/Echoplex Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:16:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - chrissewell.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I just got the FCB up and running. Im curious as to how to get the Expression pedals up and running. I searched the archive and saw only one thread. It made no sense to me. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 22:52:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D7D93BFD7; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DmLOAgJSClbbw35foZiaZbEviqF0IL+9yUu4mtkxLzoAg20Zlq947DalA0kfkoYQ7wtctk0wLmKScWoH71WaG3VvCEyVnDUZdtl68kzDr8wvMnl0zrOdJUJnBPwn4b21I7j/6ORhLHcfQ4WHRs0MNrhZXPUdnGmbeafnwDmbax8= ; Message-ID: <20050621225236.25902.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <019101c576a3$08436af0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick! Isnt this what we had asked Claude Voit when we played at the loop fest in Switzerland 2 yrs ago? I believe he said he used this same technique in his CD recording,which he explained to us briefly but not in detail and i am still standing in a foggy day with this so can you experienced loopers share this technique once more? i´d love to do it with my MPC1000 sampler! cheers Luis > > Dear Bernhard, > About me writing about where I first heard the > retriggering of short loops > with a drum machine technique in the EDP, > you inquired: > > "I'm eager to learn why you credit Andre for this." > > You had also pointed to an email I had written to > you after reading a post > about that technique on L.D. > where I had asked you how you had achieved that very > same technique right > before your beautiful Y2K4 performance that you had > taught me the technique. > Thanks for reminding me of this... > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 22:59:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B914E3BFB9; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <281EBA98-F66F-4B2D-9FE5-02139AC13D4F@chrissewell.net> References: <281EBA98-F66F-4B2D-9FE5-02139AC13D4F@chrissewell.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:59:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: FCB 1010 Expression Pedals/Echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC) At 6:16 PM -0400 6/21/05, Chris Sewell wrote: >Okay, I just got the FCB up and running. Im curious as to how to get >the Expression pedals up and running. I searched the archive and saw >only one thread. It made no sense to me. Any help would be >appreciated. >Thanks The only real drawback to this pedal is that the expression pedals need to be assigned for every preset. There is no global assignment. They are assigned just like any of the other functions. HTH Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 21 23:24:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF09C3BFB1; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Russ Rosser" To: Subject: RE: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:24:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050621225236.25902.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:24:34 +0000 (UTC) How does one sych loops to a drum machine?? I have a Boss Loop Station and would like to know of a technique that might applywithout custom-rewiring into the unit (which i'll otherwise proceed with). Tx. --Russ -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) Hey Rick! Isnt this what we had asked Claude Voit when we played at the loop fest in Switzerland 2 yrs ago? I believe he said he used this same technique in his CD recording,which he explained to us briefly but not in detail and i am still standing in a foggy day with this so can you experienced loopers share this technique once more? i´d love to do it with my MPC1000 sampler! cheers Luis > > Dear Bernhard, > About me writing about where I first heard the > retriggering of short loops > with a drum machine technique in the EDP, > you inquired: > > "I'm eager to learn why you credit Andre for this." > > You had also pointed to an email I had written to > you after reading a post > about that technique on L.D. > where I had asked you how you had achieved that very > same technique right > before your beautiful Y2K4 performance that you had > taught me the technique. > Thanks for reminding me of this... > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 01:45:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029793BFA6; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rfetuTRWb/T4pLo3aqTqqVtt0KX3q4hwdtpiVUhD8RTDaXaujE2bL30xDJV6b7Qv; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005632215032870@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Horace Silver RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:50:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b57bb8daa634b78b1233b49aa34fc78f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.130.137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:45:15 +0000 (UTC) I really like the "Nica's Dream" chord, the so-called major/minor7 (1, flat3, 5, 7). ~Tim M > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/21/2005 10:17:44 AM > Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP > > No kidding? I should have known someone would have done something > similar. Bravo! I'd love to hear the recording. > > G Lydian....nice. I've always liked that mode. It is the compliment to > one of my favorite chords to use in jazz and abstract music, the Maj7b5 > (or Maj7#4), which incidentally in most versions of jazz theory is the > fourth mode chord (by function) in the scale of chords, using the major > scales as the foundation. > > I - C Maj7 > ii - D Min7 > iii - E Min7b9 > IV - Fmaj#4 > V - G7 > > ....and so on. Most people play a Fmaj7 as the IV chord, but technically > it should have the #4/b5, otherwise you have a minor second interval > conflict between the mode and chord. > > Now what I really find intriguing is jazz melodic minor theory. Just > take the conventional system above, but use them melodic minor (not the > classical version, that descends differently), as the first mode, and so > on. Very odd and counter-intuitive at first. My friend, Mark Levine, who > wrote the Jazz Theory Book and Jazz Piano Book has a whole section on > melodic minor harmony, which I think is brilliant. > > Incidentally, if you don't feel comfortable playing the maj7#4 chord, > you can use it anytime you need to play a Dominant 13th, just play the > maj7#4 a whole step below where you would ordinarily play the Dominant > 13th. For instance, an Fmaj7#4 can be played as a rootless substitute > of the G13. Fmaj7#4 contains the b7, 3, 6, and 9 intervals of G13 (the > 6th interval here can be regarded as a substitute of the 13th). You > don' need the root if you have a bass player tagging it for you. And the > 9 makes it complete, otherwise without it, it would be a G7/13. > > Guitarists see #3 here: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/chords/ for how I play > the chord. It's not at all difficult to finger and feels very natural. > > Speaking of Zappa, he liked to play the Lydian mode a lot. You can hear > it on many of his recordings where he is playing guitar. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP > > I actually have a piece that I'd conceived of prior to getting my EDP > 6 years ago that does exactly that. It's called "Gradus." I start off > with a single-measure loop and then build a mensural rosalia with > successive passes of multiply with duration ratios of 2:1, 3:1, 5:1, > 7:1, 11:1, and 13:1. After building the massive rosalia, I turn down the > feedback and improvise over G lydian for the 2nd 'movement' which > eventually fades out. > > I did come up with two separate scores for the piece. One is an > 'artistic' score in the vein of George Crumb's beautiful scores where > the staff spirals out from the center. I also have a performance score > which implements the beginnings of a notational system for the EDP > footpedal. (The notation system could easily be adapted to any footpedal > configuration.) > > It's funny, though, I conceived of the piece back in 1993, before I'd > ever heard of looping, but never quite figured out what to do with it > until I got the EDP 5 years later. I wrote the piece in my first session > with my brand new EDP. > > I've got a recording of a performance from the 2003 Iowa Composers Forum > Festival that I can post sometime this week. It'll give me an excuse to > finally clean up that recording (the original recording was made on an > ADAT set to 48k and was not resampled when transferred to CD, so the > piece is slower and in the wrong key). > > Cheers, > > Jon Southwood > > > > On 6/20/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > > > > Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject > > heading > > "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one more > > time, I'm going to throw up...I feel as if I've created a not-so-Tiny > Monster Ex Nihilo! > > :) > > > > I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise, > > Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take credit > > > for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not > > sure if anyone has discussed it here before either. So here it is... > > > > How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on > > the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are > > divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay > > down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure > > harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit > > Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 > > measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, > > and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures > > adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have > > to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. > > > > Has it been done? Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to > > > do it? Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out, > perhaps.... > > > > Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done? > > > > ********************************************************************** > > ****************** > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > Mojam Performance Calendar: > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Har > > tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm > > Music & Video Catalogue: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm > > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: > > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > > Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 03:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08E73BFAA; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v+Ylm4v/UHr7R+n35PuVrSgJxky0jiR1HZ+nw2u+KLEy956pUATH/m3QWKf9/oENvNjzKDOpJEKjtQX/DIzSUeXAnwu6RNWGcRGVxpLw7AoK896aD0m7je2V7q8jGinTlYTJxZeVcoudl85UIaIbxPRz8O03wve6DZXgl6A0k2I= ; Message-ID: <20050622034451.58923.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Symetrix 606-just bought one To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Yep, got the one on Ebay. I paid too much, but I'd been looking for one long time. (might?? affect PrePal average price a bit, so if you have one, your welcome, if you want one, sorry about that ;) . ((I'm also looking for a Symetrix 528e pre/processor...?)) I mainly got it for it's midi sync, so I hope that aspect won't dissapoint me. I do spacey trance beat driven stuff. If you have any tips or know of any qwerks, that are not in the manual or the archives here, can you tell me? =Randy Leifer= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 04:59:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5EB83BFC5; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088CC0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:58:20 -0700 To: Jon Southwood , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:59:01 +0000 (UTC) At 4:28 PM -0500 6/21/05, Jon Southwood wrote: >Incidentally, I just remembered that early experiments with prime >numbers and voices moving at different speeds were done using Tim >Thompson's KeyKit My earliest looping patterns were done on the Buchla 100 Series modular system at UCSD in 1977. This was one of the early generation instruments, brought down from MIlls by Pauline Oliveros. There were four sequencers (two 16-step and two 8-step), each with its own pulse generator. It was possible to run any combination of these either asynchronously or triggered by the same clock. Therefore there could be prime-number beat-locked combinations of primes such as 2, 3, 5, 7 or 3, 5, 7, 11 or 5, 7, 11, 13 or some combination of those phrase lengths. If you were clever, you could get even longer phrase lengths. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 05:31:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E043BFB1; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <410-22005632215032870@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005632215032870@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:31:07 -0600 To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Horace Silver RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:31:02 +0000 (UTC) At 9:50 PM -0400 6/21/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >I really like the "Nica's Dream" chord, the so-called major/minor7 (1, >flat3, 5, 7). >~Tim M Wouldn't that be a minor major 7th? A major minor 7th sounds like it would a dom 7. The minor major 7th is the chord that goes with the melodic (also called jazz) minor. Edwin PS What's a "mensural rosalia"? When I googled it, google asked me if I meant "menstrual rosalia". -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 05:39:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55C3D3BFB1; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:39:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcV2uGPHdMbINxkmTYyG4d0Qssh65wANA/ew Message-Id: <20050622053915.QIQK17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:39:21 +0000 (UTC) ---->MIDI clock. . . Which the RC does not support. Gary -----Original Message----- Russ Rosser wondered: How does one synch loops to a drum machine?? I have a Boss Loop Station and would like to know of a technique that might apply without custom-rewiring into the unit (which i'll otherwise proceed with). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 05:54:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DEE43BFB6; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:54:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:49:19 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.64.219 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <7q_kcB.A.OpG.U0PuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:54:29 +0000 (UTC) > As I recall, the music was loud, aggressive and very chaotic, as Elliott's music tends to be... I saw him just with an acoustic/midified Guild and some Mac plugins last year, introducing his Velocity of Hue album. He was not loud and aggressive this time. He is an incredible guitar player, really unique and really inventive. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 07:17:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C963BFB1; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016701c576fa$6cc616b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: crediting Bernhard Wagner Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:17:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Luis wrote: Hey Rick!Isnt this what we had asked Claude Voit when we played at the loop fest in Switzerland 2 yrs ago? I believe he said he used this same technique in his CD recording,which he explained to us briefly but not in detail and i am still standing in a foggy day with this so can you experienced loopers share this technique once more? i´d love to do it with my MPC1000 sampler! Yes, you are correct about that and my addled brain had forgotten that too, but I saw Andre do it long before then. Still, in my life, credit for actually learning it and retaining the information has to go to my teacher Bernhard Wagner. And Luis, given what an incredibly funky player you are, I'd love to hear what you'd come up with using that technique and your MPC 1000. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 07:21:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8523BF0E; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016b01c576fb$15851800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: finger controller and Repeater melodic loop manipulation Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:22:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:21:57 +0000 (UTC) I see that M-Audio has a new controller called a Trigger Finger which has 16 pads and several knobs and sliders. I want one badly because it is small and lightweight and has the equivalent of two octaves of modal triggering capabilities which in my harmonically limited universe is my idea of a good time. I used to use my Roland Octapad as what I called a modal log drum and I loaded up several different world music scales from C to C into it so that I could trigger my old Akai S950 sampler......voila, a modal electronic baliphone with no wrong notes (as long as you don't modulate...............lol). I've been using my Octapad again to control my Repeater loops melodically. I love doing this with a complex timbral loop like a brass candy dish, stuck and controlled by overtone comb filter manipulations using the chamber of the mouth. The portamento effect when going between intervallically disparate notes is so cool using this technique and I love taking a found object and suddenly recontextualizing it into a tuned and playable musical instrument. Again, credit where credit is due (which seems to be my spiritual lesson and work for this week), my brother Bill is the person who hipped me to this technique and I think he does it as well as anyone I've seen. I especially love how he uses a sequencer on his midi guitar to drive octave and fifth jumps on his Repeater loops. If anyone wants to hear the results of a very cool experiment that Bill did using me, a kanjira and a Bansuri bamboo flute as his guinea pigs let me know and I'll e-mail it to you off list. I think it is too hefty to post at L.D. although I'm a little murky on the accuracy of that statement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 08:46:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794CB3BFB4; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Woz" To: "Woz Mail" Subject: Gig tonight cancelled Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:45:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C5775A.A6AC9F60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcV3Bsq56ATC4kWRSfel/h/fBf3OXg== Message-Id: <20050622084649.ZMSL3672.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:46:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C5775A.A6AC9F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Magic Bus are not playing the Espy tonight. The Espy got it wrong and double booked us in an act of supreme stupidity. They've promised us gigs soon to come so we let you know what's happening. We're a bit bummed out but shit happens. All the best Woz ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C5775A.A6AC9F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi. Magic Bus are not playing the Espy tonight. The = Espy got it wrong and double booked us in an act of supreme stupidity. = They’ve promised us gigs soon to come so we let you know what’s happening. = We’re a bit bummed out but shit happens.

All the best

Woz

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C5775A.A6AC9F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 09:34:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA9513BFDE; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <281EBA98-F66F-4B2D-9FE5-02139AC13D4F@chrissewell.net> References: <281EBA98-F66F-4B2D-9FE5-02139AC13D4F@chrissewell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB 1010 Expression Pedals/Echoplex Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:33:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:34:03 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 22, 2005, at 0:16, Chris Sewell wrote: > Okay, I just got the FCB up and running. Im curious as to how to > get the Expression pedals up and running. I searched the archive > and saw only one thread. It made no sense to me. Any help would be > appreciated. > Thanks 1. Check out with the EDP (can be set differently in the EDP) which MIDI controller message is needed for controlling the function targeted. 2. Program either the EDP, the FCB or both for matching MIDI channel and data. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 09:42:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D788E3BFD7; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050621225236.25902.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050621225236.25902.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D709F3E-88F7-4E60-B675-15642E992300@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:42:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:42:36 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 22, 2005, at 0:52, L. Angulo wrote: > Hey Rick! > Isnt this what we had asked Claude Voit when we played > at the loop fest in Switzerland 2 yrs ago? I believe > he said he used this same technique in his CD > recording,which he explained to us briefly but not in > detail and i am still standing in a foggy day with > this so can you experienced loopers share this > technique once more? i=B4d love to do it with my MPC1000 > sampler! > cheers > Luis Rick told me too about "Andre controlling the EDP with a drum =20 machine" when we played together here in Sweden in 2003. But I always =20= took that for simply stepping on the drum machines buttons to send =20 out midi notes that trig different actions in the EDP. I've tried =20 that myself many times before getting the much better controller =20 Behringer FCB1010. You can not set every function to a unique note =20 number in the EDP, but there is an off-set to match the full midi =20 note scale of any drum machine (or other midi note sending source) =20 used to match the EDP functions you want to access. Maybe I did not understand Rick correctly, but that's how it fell =20 into my brain back then ;-) If you can manage to match some midi =20 notes from a drum machine, used as action triggers for the EDP, with =20 an audio output of a good beat from the drum machine, this will =20 provide a quite compact and yet powerful performance set-up. Given =20 you have a mixer to blend the drum machine's and the EDP's audio =20 output (or rely on the sound man to mix it on the house system). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 10:10:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456DD3BFC1; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D08@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D08@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <784FE30C-94F6-4AC5-9BA9-96DCCE044C7D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:10:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:10:17 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 21, 2005, at 16:17, Hartung, Kris wrote: >> How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on >> the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are >> divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay >> down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure >> harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit >> Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 >> measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, >> and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures >> adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have >> to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. As usual a very interesting post from Kris ;-) I have been thinking =20= about such matters too but never succeeded to use anything similar =20 in praxis. In the early eighties I happened to record a radio piece =20 of Iannis Xenadis (Sandr=E9) that brought me under the spell of numbers =20= in music. I used to calculate different tuning systems and melody/=20 scale patterns with pen and paper while traveling but nothing sounded =20= good and inspired me to really use musically. I only had instruments, =20= imagination and a four track cassette tape porta studio to try things =20= out, though. Maybe the mistake I did was to implement the series =20 tonally? I see Kris is referring to timing in his post. Anyway, since Echoplex, Repeater and recording software came around =20 the world has changed quite a bit! I must say that today I like hands-=20= on experimenting in real-time much more than mathematical =20 experimental thinking ;-) When recording live into looping software =20 on my laptop, I like to create midi sequences that re-pitch the loop =20 according to certain number series. This praxis can easily become =20 overwhelming in complexity, since what you play will be doubled in =20 harmony and if you are brave to layer a second line you will soon end =20= up with four different paths to relate to in your performance. That =20 is too complex for me, so I usually restrict the real-time =20 transposing scale to something simple like a quint note circle, =20 simple octave jumps or a diminished chord (is that how you say it in =20 English? The chord like for example C, D# and F#). I also have a =20 whole note scaled pattern, i.e. creating a whole note scale if I =20 should loop a long single note. What it would throw back at me if I =20 dared to record a chromatic scale, I don't even dare to think =20 about!!! ;-) It was David Torn that, on this list, inspired me to start =20 researching how to play with dynamically transposed live loops. You =20 could do that with a Repeater, but starting out with MIDI cc#'s =20 according to the manual I did not get it right until Bill Walker told =20= me that it also works with plain MIDI note messages (a tip for you =20 Repeater owners). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 12:02:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32EA63BFCB; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Horace Silver RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:58:07 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60A0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Horace Silver RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV265q8X3dPxbYdS0SnPqUJZC23bgAKliuw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2005 12:01:31.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[211A1CC0:01C57722] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:02:08 +0000 (UTC) At 9:50 PM -0400 6/21/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >I really like the "Nica's Dream" chord, the so-called major/minor7 (1,=20 >flat3, 5, 7). >~Tim M >>Wouldn't that be a minor major 7th? A major minor 7th sounds like it would a dom 7. The minor major 7th is the chord that goes with the melodic (also called jazz) minor. >>Edwin Yes, I believe it is a minor-major 7, or what I like to call the "evil twin" of the dominant 7 :) . It is easy to get confused and say major-minor 7...I usually know what people are trying to say when they expresss it that way, even if it is reversed. Maj7 =3D 1, 3, 5, 7 Min7 =3D 1, b3, 5, b7 Dom7 =3D 1, 3, 5, b7 Min-Maj7 =3D 1, b3, 5, 7 I call the min-Maj 7 chord the evil twin of the dom7 because the 3 and 7 intervals are reversed in terms of what is flatted or natural. The minor-major 7 chord is also the root chord for jazz melodic minor harmony and theory, which opens up a most bizarre yet interesting can of theories. I've yet to find someone who wrote an entire song using "strictly" melodic minor harmony, using both the modes AND the corresponding chords, which are nothing like the chords in traditional major harmony. It just sounds weird and counter-intuitive. Just playing the scale of chords in melodic minor harmony, starting with the min-maj7 as the I chord and moving up sounds whacked out and far removed from traditional major/relative minor scale harmony, which sounds fairly intuitive to most musicians. I usually see the min-maj7 chord used as a device within traditional system of major/relative minor harmony, like how sometimes jazzers play "My Funny Valentine," in the first few measures, switching from min7 to min-maj7...sounds great, fun to improvise over, etc. Or using the min-maj7 chord.=20 One of my favorite articles and explanations is form Mark Sabatella, in Colorado, in his "Jazz Theory Primer" (excellent, by the way) where he explains the evolution of the melodic minor scale (sometimes called the jazz minor scale)...very interesting. Basically, starting from the pure minor scale, evolving to harmonic minor, and then finally to melodic minor, all because of a modification of the minor ii-V-I progression to make it sound better with the resolution points, and the resulting complementary scale. I just find this fascinating. I copied the text and URL below. I definitely recommend backspacing to the .com and checking out his Jazz Primer!=20 "In classical theory, there are three types of minor scale. The minor scale we have already discussed, the aeolian mode, is also called the natural minor or pure minor. The two other minor scales were derived from it to provide more interesting harmonic and melodic possibilities. If you construct a ii-V-I progression in a minor key, you will find that the seventh chord built on the root is a minor seventh chord, and the seventh chord built on the second step is a half diminished seventh chord. For example, Am7 and Bm7b5 in the key of A minor. The chord built on the fifth step of this scale is a minor chord, for example Em7 in A minor. The resolution of Em7 to Am7 is not as strong as E7 to Am7. Also, the Am7 does not sound like a tonic; it sounds like it should resolve to a D chord. By raising the seventh degree of the minor scale by a half step (that is, raising the G of A minor to G#), these problems are solved. The chord built on the fifth is now E7, and the seventh chord built on the root is an A minor triad with a major seventh, often notated Am-maj7. This creates a much stronger ii-V-i. The resultant scale, "A, B, C, D, E, F, G#", is called the harmonic minor, since it is perceived to yield more interesting harmonies than the natural minor. The seventh degree of a major scale is sometimes called the leading tone, since it is only a half step below the tonic and leads very well into it melodically. The seventh degree of the natural minor scale, on the other hand, is a whole step below the tonic and does not lead nearly as well into it. Although the harmonic minor scale contains a leading tone, if you play that scale, you may note that the interval between the sixth and seventh steps (the F and G# in A harmonic minor) is awkward melodically. This interval is called an augmented second. Although it sounds just like a minor third, there are no scale tones between the two notes. This interval was considered to be dissonant in classical harmony, In order to rectify this situation, the sixth can be raised a half step as well (from F to F#) to yield the melodic minor. In classical theory, this scale is often used ascending only. When descending, since the G# is not used to lead into the tonic A, the natural minor is often used instead. Jazz harmony does not normally distinguish these cases, however. The melodic minor scale "A, B, C, D, E, F#, G#" is used both when ascending and descending." - http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/primer/ms-primer-4-3.html The Primer: http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/primer/index.html He has a pretty descent and simplified history of jazz movements too. Any piano players on the list met Mark? Nice guy. I haven't met him in person, but we used to correspond a lot via email.=20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hurwitz [mailto:edwin@indra.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:31 PM To: mungenast@earthlink.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Horace Silver RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP At 9:50 PM -0400 6/21/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >I really like the "Nica's Dream" chord, the so-called major/minor7 (1,=20 >flat3, 5, 7). >~Tim M Wouldn't that be a minor major 7th? A major minor 7th sounds like it would a dom 7. The minor major 7th is the chord that goes with the melodic (also called jazz) minor. Edwin PS What's a "mensural rosalia"? When I googled it, google asked me if I meant "menstrual rosalia". --=20 Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 12:13:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 552C93BFFC; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:15:21 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Schillinger, anyone? To: Jon Southwood , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004701c57724$238d06a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:13:18 +0000 (UTC) > Check out the writings of Joseph Schillinger for ideas in using > natural sequences like the Fibonacci series for rhythmic, harmonic, > and melodic ideas. I've been scouring the book websites for a couple years now, at least, to get a copy of Schillinger's "System of Musical Composition" at a reasonable price. Just one of the two volumes will set me back $140 or so; both volumes go for $365. Does anyone know of a less expensive alternative source for a copy of this essential resource? If not, I'm gonna bite the bullet and purchase them. I was introduced to Schillinger's methods in high school (class of 72. God bless you, Mr. Thomas Gordon!) and I still apply them regularly. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 12:17:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E72753BFCC; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:17:02 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60A1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP thread-index: AcV3EuaDd/PMIiXaRYibk05ZFNQCTwAD0j0g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2005 12:17:02.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BC0ED30:01C57724] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:17:30 +0000 (UTC) I agree about the praxis part (can I say praxeological? Heh heh)...I = like to introduce or talk about ideas like this as "experiments of = thought" but quite frankly I don't have the patience or time to = mathematize my improvisational and performance approach. I barely have = enough time to brush my teeth before a gig. For me at least, that sort = of thing sucks the life out of my effort of free improvisation, but I do = appreciate and am fascinated by those who apply these number theories = and systems to music. One's brain must be wired a certain way to get off = on that! Anyone watch that US TV series Numbers? That's the sort of guy = who would apply Cantor's theory of diagonalization and infinite sets of = infinity to music! I like your idea of transposing your loops with various number = sequences. What software are you using? Mobius? I finally got Mobius = working great with my Behringer MIDI controller, but I just can't use it = at the same time as my VST host and VST effects on my laptop...massive = processor hogs. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP On Jun 21, 2005, at 16:17, Hartung, Kris wrote: >> How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on=20 >> the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are=20 >> divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay=20 >> down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure=20 >> harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit=20 >> Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 = >> measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure,=20 >> and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures=20 >> adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have=20 >> to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. As usual a very interesting post from Kris ;-) I have been thinking =20 about such matters too but never succeeded to use anything similar in = praxis. In the early eighties I happened to record a radio piece of = Iannis Xenadis (Sandr=E9) that brought me under the spell of numbers in = music. I used to calculate different tuning systems and melody/ scale = patterns with pen and paper while traveling but nothing sounded good and = inspired me to really use musically. I only had instruments, imagination = and a four track cassette tape porta studio to try things out, though. = Maybe the mistake I did was to implement the series tonally? I see Kris = is referring to timing in his post. Anyway, since Echoplex, Repeater and recording software came around the = world has changed quite a bit! I must say that today I like hands- on = experimenting in real-time much more than mathematical experimental = thinking ;-) When recording live into looping software on my laptop, I = like to create midi sequences that re-pitch the loop according to = certain number series. This praxis can easily become overwhelming in = complexity, since what you play will be doubled in harmony and if you = are brave to layer a second line you will soon end up with four = different paths to relate to in your performance. That is too complex = for me, so I usually restrict the real-time transposing scale to = something simple like a quint note circle, simple octave jumps or a = diminished chord (is that how you say it in English? The chord like for = example C, D# and F#). I also have a whole note scaled pattern, i.e. = creating a whole note scale if I should loop a long single note. What it = would throw back at me if I dared to record a chromatic scale, I don't = even dare to think about!!! ;-) It was David Torn that, on this list, inspired me to start researching = how to play with dynamically transposed live loops. You could do that = with a Repeater, but starting out with MIDI cc#'s according to the = manual I did not get it right until Bill Walker told me that it also = works with plain MIDI note messages (a tip for you Repeater owners). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 12:34:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9EF83BFFA; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP] Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:34:40 +0200 Message-ID: <013001c57726$c5dbdbf0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <784FE30C-94F6-4AC5-9BA9-96DCCE044C7D@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:34:53 +0000 (UTC) I once made this excel sheet for someone, where you can pick a scale and = a root key and it calculates all pitches for you. http://nosuch.biz/scales/scales.xls The sheet is protected and only the things displayed in a red font are = the ones you can change. The sheet also calculates MIDI-Numbers for Note On. Note that the scale names probably are a bit idiosyncratic. If you know better names for them, let me know. Just now, Krispen's mail about " evil twin of the dom7 " came in! There you got the real names for those scales! Thanks a lot Krispen, really juicy stuff you posted there! The Jazz melodic minor (and shifted siblings) is one of my dearest. I = guess I've been using it too much for practicing, so I can't get it out of my = head anymore. E.g. this example is entirely in the=20 Db mixolydian b6 mode (if that's what you'd call it): http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00160.html What totally fascinates me about this particular one is that it sounds = like a minor scale even though you have the major 3rd right in there. Only by flattening the 6th it gets that minor twist. Love it. Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 13:11:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F753BFF5; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CU2+I+ia64eiCQKuowj4nKJHCwsq5k8Iush6/tc9GpvNYreo3I5BmXs5EyELXADZuf8wNgpTBIQetCRgbeDO/hud68Q4f/a+cmqmzv9w7LY7pAfzLSScG+vqMHYHM08OqzT1Mk6u4v9MZXQ+3O/6bn9ncHUHeRczUsLTHD9F1J8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:11:12 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Schillinger, anyone? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004701c57724$238d06a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004701c57724$238d06a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Last I checked, I could only find it at Amazon.com for an equally jaw-dropping price. Luckily, the music library at the university where I did my graduate studies has a copy, and since I live within a half-hour (and work within 5 minutes) of it, I can usually check it out on a whim. For now, it suffices. At least until I can justify the $140 for vol 1. Incidentally, I just ran a froogle.com search and came up with some used sets as well as new sets. Didn't see any for vol. 1 alone. Good luck with the search. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/22/05, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Check out the writings of Joseph Schillinger for ideas in using > > natural sequences like the Fibonacci series for rhythmic, harmonic, > > and melodic ideas. >=20 > I've been scouring the book websites for a couple years now, at least, to > get a copy of Schillinger's "System of Musical Composition" at a reasonab= le > price. Just one of the two volumes will set me back $140 or so; both volu= mes > go for $365. Does anyone know of a less expensive alternative source for = a > copy of this essential resource? >=20 > If not, I'm gonna bite the bullet and purchase them. I was introduced to > Schillinger's methods in high school (class of 72. God bless you, Mr. Tho= mas > Gordon!) and I still apply them regularly. >=20 > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net >=20 > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. Ther= e's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 13:20:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A603BFF9; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP] Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:18:25 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60A5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP] thread-index: AcV3Js1FBiBbfKb4QQaaFszpmw2elwABJGhg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2005 13:19:29.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[052D3690:01C5772D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:20:03 +0000 (UTC) I love that tune!! I downloaded it from your website a while back and listened to it on my flight for business. Thanks for the Excel sheet...very useful. Yeah, the melodic minor is loads of fun. My favorite is to play it using John Stowell's (international jazz guitarist) method, where you play it a half step above, whole step below, fourth above, or fifth above a dominant chord. Each variation produces a different number of the altered intervals of the dominant chord - b5, #5, b9, or #9. The half step above version produces all four alterations. So if you play a G7alt, then play the melodic minor scale a half a step above that....very hip, man. Or just play a G13 or something, and let the scale add the alteration by itself. The cool thing is that you can morph scales. Over a dominent, make the first part of your improvisation using the first half of the mixolydian mode on the tonic of that dominant chord, then morph into the melodic minor a half step above the dominant. It's slick. I just reminded myself of a definition of jazz that I've seen multiple times in jazz history books, what makes jazz, jazz: - Alteration (like altering the 5 and 9 intervals of a dominant chord - Coloration (like adding a 9, 11, or 13 to a straight dominant 7 - Syncopation (like how jazzers like to play on the e's and a's, rather than on the downbeat, etc - Improvisation (we all know about that) Swing or swung used to be in there, but that left with new forms of jazz. Now we "swunk" man. You dig? :) Good grief, I'm sleep deprived....getting giddy now. Kris -----Original Message----- From: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP] I once made this excel sheet for someone, where you can pick a scale and a root key and it calculates all pitches for you. http://nosuch.biz/scales/scales.xls The sheet is protected and only the things displayed in a red font are the ones you can change. The sheet also calculates MIDI-Numbers for Note On. Note that the scale names probably are a bit idiosyncratic. If you know better names for them, let me know. Just now, Krispen's mail about " evil twin of the dom7 " came in! There you got the real names for those scales! Thanks a lot Krispen, really juicy stuff you posted there! The Jazz melodic minor (and shifted siblings) is one of my dearest. I guess I've been using it too much for practicing, so I can't get it out of my head anymore. E.g. this example is entirely in the Db mixolydian b6 mode (if that's what you'd call it): http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00160.html What totally fascinates me about this particular one is that it sounds like a minor scale even though you have the major 3rd right in there. Only by flattening the 6th it gets that minor twist. Love it. Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 13:43:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B75D3C003; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iJEuxvuES1GNMRV4NCn7x8g2pkFtI0/WRNDkHQ/uy3fQg/yHfuhrUW7fjLkyOLVBFVuo7Qml/ILaemBpge2n4gdVaJxl3JSOro8LnWqn67oX4ShauqLuvDY2a9grKTJN9c+A5y+GKjH4MqqLA0YXErL24iD3wZd7oT7gR7daamc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:43:29 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP] In-Reply-To: <013001c57726$c5dbdbf0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <784FE30C-94F6-4AC5-9BA9-96DCCE044C7D@boysen.se> <013001c57726$c5dbdbf0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: <7RiHN.A.SsC.EsWuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Another take on scales and keys: "There is really no such thing as "key", just like there is no third dimension in a drawing, yet it can seem to have a vanishing point or horizon line. Same mechanics involved. Optical vs aural illusion." --Richard Lloyd On 6/22/05, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: >=20 > What totally fascinates me about this particular one is that it sounds li= ke > a minor scale even though you have the major 3rd right in there. Only by > flattening the 6th it gets that minor twist. Love it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 13:43:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553AE3C00D; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KTP/gA45L4pmFBqNyhRwjEfuT0KL8IJ98p7biX11fnjnb7lVTt+XMMs9srtHw/MfI6Ka1Y/GdibW+M2ifEKMr9w2NwoD+hOi6/u2Zl1J98T/z5ciUO9zoe9miD3O/FW/oqUoJ1fNsjdDDTo0x4JTIj7zxUAaFmtGU1LXL0q7QYk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:43:44 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Horace Silver RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-22005632215032870@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <00wVh.A.XwC.RsWuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Since I used the term, I'll define it. A "rosalia" is a so-called "infinite canon" (basically, like a round). A mensural canon is a canon where the follower voices (the 'comes') are in some rhythmic expansion or contraction of the lead voice (the 'dux'). So, since the piece is built around a short loop and has the same melody repeated as rhythmic expansions, I termed it a mensural rosalia. Although, after just writing the above, I looked for confirmation of my definition of rosalia. The one definition I did find confirmed the repeating melody aspect, but tacked on an additional bit about each repetition being transposed by a half-step or whole-step from the previous repetition. Since there's no transposition in my piece, i guess it's not technically a rosalia, but since there are fugues in the 20th century that don't follow the "tonic subject, dominant answer" scheme, I guess I can still call it a rosalia. Well, a mensural rosalia. Hope I didn't muddy the waters too much... Cheers, Jon Southwood =20 On 6/22/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > PS What's a "mensural rosalia"? When I googled it, google asked me if > I meant "menstrual rosalia". > -- >=20 > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 13:55:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA693C005; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42B96EDE.5080907@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:59:58 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP] References: <013001c57726$c5dbdbf0$2101a8c0@alhambra> In-Reply-To: <013001c57726$c5dbdbf0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:55:17 +0000 (UTC) loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: >E.g. this example is entirely in the >Db mixolydian b6 mode (if that's what you'd call it): >http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00160.html > >What totally fascinates me about this particular one is that it sounds like >a minor scale even though you have the major 3rd right in there. Only by >flattening the 6th it gets that minor twist. Love it. > >Bernhard >http://nosuch.biz > > I don't know if it's just my karma :-), but I'm getting the following when trying http://nosuch.biz > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /nosuch.biz/soundz/8threplace.mp3 > on this server. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.xmlizer.biz Port 80 > Looking forward to hearing the comp! = I've been enjoying a melodic device I found in Robert Schumann's short piano piece "Aveu." Thought of in terms of the blues scale, you could use the scale's 5th over the i chord, the flatted 5th in a MII chord, and let that linger/resolve into the 7th of a V7. (In A Minor, that would be an E, Eb, D over the A Minor, B Major, E7.) If Schumann was doing this in the 1800's, it's been around for a while, but it was a new understanding to my ear/head! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 14:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790E13C009; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with theEDP] Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:01:45 +0200 Message-ID: <014101c57732$efc19ac0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42B96EDE.5080907@Hevanet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:01:58 +0000 (UTC) > I don't know if it's just my karma :-),=20 It's rather mine! Is fixed now. Sorry about this. And thank you for pointing it out! If there's a problem again, please mail me privately. Thank you Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com]=20 Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 16:00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scales [was RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with theEDP] loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: >E.g. this example is entirely in the=20 >Db mixolydian b6 mode (if that's what you'd call it): >http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00160.html > >What totally fascinates me about this particular one is that it sounds = like >a minor scale even though you have the major 3rd right in there. Only = by >flattening the 6th it gets that minor twist. Love it. > >Bernhard >http://nosuch.biz > =20 > I don't know if it's just my karma :-), but I'm getting the following=20 when trying http://nosuch.biz > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /nosuch.biz/soundz/8threplace.mp3=20 > on this server. > > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.xmlizer.biz Port 80 > Looking forward to hearing the comp!=20 =3D I've been enjoying a melodic device I found in Robert Schumann's short=20 piano piece "Aveu." Thought of in terms of the blues scale, you could=20 use the scale's 5th over the i chord, the flatted 5th in a MII chord,=20 and let that linger/resolve into the 7th of a V7. (In A Minor, that=20 would be an E, Eb, D over the A Minor, B Major, E7.) If Schumann was=20 doing this in the 1800's, it's been around for a while, but it was a new = understanding to my ear/head!=20 David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 14:22:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A56B3BFFC; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=j5yNOl+dnsFXa2nL/oWeWCMR7+DqUO8pwbwbUugSllu2rQHaee0kr4sTz2okljqp6en+vjNyql7rxXd+BolkiqrRS04GEVYInjCOcmL73QcMEZa4TTBkQ+qJ4vtgp80/vR4lAZTiJcUBCk8p7P1vSQm7xC6q8RyHq0hE00dn1+s= ; Message-ID: <20050622142233.65769.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: FCB 1010 Expression Pedals/Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <281EBA98-F66F-4B2D-9FE5-02139AC13D4F@chrissewell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:22:33 +0000 (UTC) When I first got mine, the expression pedals did nothing, but after I found instructions on Behringer's website to calibrate them, they worked fine. Do a search there and see what you can come up with. =) Mike --- Chris Sewell wrote: > Okay, I just got the FCB up and running. Im curious > as to how to get > the Expression pedals up and running. I searched the > archive and saw > only one thread. It made no sense to me. Any help > would be appreciated. > Thanks > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 16:54:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29893C008; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60A1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60A1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1168A442-FBFA-4E5D-AB55-5B1CDCD0EEC8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:54:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <7BDIBD.A.sAE.JfZuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:54:33 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 22, 2005, at 14:17, Hartung, Kris wrote: > I like your idea of transposing your loops with various number > sequences. What software are you using? Mobius? No, I'm using Augustus Loop. That's the only looping software I know that can change pitch of a running loop, even in overdubbing mode. It's OS X only. When I was using Windows machines I had an Electrix Repeater for for that practice (Repeater also keeps the loop length by applying time stretching on the fly. However used with Live 5 I think Augustus Looper comes out pretty awesome anyway!). On Mac there is also Apple's free AU Looper that comes with Tiger, but it's still not correctly implemented, so you can not map external MIDI to control its functions. Except for IF you are using Apples AU Lab as the host application, but then you can not save the MIDI controller map you set up. All too crazy! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 18:12:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9905A3BFE9; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42BA2968.FC434158@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:15:53 -0700 From: Martin Tauchen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60A1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ID: E9SO8kZT8eDPMl4xYtPNIhOFeuTb8sWGRJ29IJAuChAd2+5PWw9O4f X-TOI-MSGID: 4e7b34c7-3266-4530-b83e-e377d4f96c7f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi, recently I am working in this field of music for a long time,but unfortun= ately I had never ever success with it...eventhough the results are sometimes exciting. For such operations I use at least 6 DOD Dimension 12 to realize such sou= nds. I know-the DOD Device is to most of you a kind of non-device (and I under= stand it). But they were cheap and good enough to realize my ideas in a live Setup. For longer delays and loops I use the Mac. Each Dod will get feed by the same signal of the Monoguitar Rig....Can be= also synth or whatever. Each DOD has a different Delay time(as the Dod has only 12 seconds max.-t= he delaytimes for primes are 11/7/5/3/2/1 ). This explains why I use six Dods in paralell row. For some of you 12 seconds maybe poorly,but in a six shift of different t= imes,this is really enough. Layers of Layers are interacting and the result is really not to see thru= =2E And now the real deal !!! Through a floorboard I route the six mono channels to my analog "synth"-g= ear wich has FM,real RM and so on. What have we here ? An analog Waveshaping system wich reacts totally to t= he player. Describe it as analog DX7 or Casio VZ.The results are quiet different. The old Dods are wonderful machines for such a setup,because of low cost = and a weird kind of analog feeling and sound manipulation. Think about it,what you want to loop,how you want to loop and that your s= tomach is always satisfied. Martin "Hartung, Kris" schrieb: > I agree about the praxis part (can I say praxeological? Heh heh)...I li= ke to introduce or talk about ideas like this as "experiments of thought"= but quite frankly I don't have the patience or time to mathematize my im= provisational and performance approach. I barely have enough time to bru= sh my teeth before a gig. For me at least, that sort of thing sucks the l= ife out of my effort of free improvisation, but I do appreciate and am fa= scinated by those who apply these number theories and systems to music. O= ne's brain must be wired a certain way to get off on that! Anyone watch = that US TV series Numbers? That's the sort of guy who would apply Cantor'= s theory of diagonalization and infinite sets of infinity to music! > > I like your idea of transposing your loops with various number sequence= s. What software are you using? Mobius? I finally got Mobius working grea= t with my Behringer MIDI controller, but I just can't use it at the same = time as my VST host and VST effects on my laptop...massive processor hogs= =2E > > Kris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP > > On Jun 21, 2005, at 16:17, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > >> How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on > >> the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are > >> divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay= > >> down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure > >> harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit > >> Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a = 3 > >> measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure,= > >> and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures > >> adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have= > >> to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. > > As usual a very interesting post from Kris ;-) I have been thinking > about such matters too but never succeeded to use anything similar in = praxis. In the early eighties I happened to record a radio piece of Ianni= s Xenadis (Sandr=E9) that brought me under the spell of numbers in music.= I used to calculate different tuning systems and melody/ scale patterns = with pen and paper while traveling but nothing sounded good and inspired = me to really use musically. I only had instruments, imagination and a fou= r track cassette tape porta studio to try things out, though. Maybe the m= istake I did was to implement the series tonally? I see Kris is referring= to timing in his post. > > Anyway, since Echoplex, Repeater and recording software came around the= world has changed quite a bit! I must say that today I like hands- on ex= perimenting in real-time much more than mathematical experimental thinkin= g ;-) When recording live into looping software on my laptop, I like to = create midi sequences that re-pitch the loop according to certain number = series. This praxis can easily become overwhelming in complexity, since w= hat you play will be doubled in harmony and if you are brave to layer a s= econd line you will soon end up with four different paths to relate to in= your performance. That is too complex for me, so I usually restrict the = real-time transposing scale to something simple like a quint note circle,= simple octave jumps or a diminished chord (is that how you say it in Eng= lish? The chord like for example C, D# and F#). I also have a whole note = scaled pattern, i.e. creating a whole note scale if I should loop a long = single note. What it would throw back at me if I dared to record a chroma= tic scale, I don't even dare to think about!!! ;-) > > It was David Torn that, on this list, inspired me to start researching = how to play with dynamically transposed live loops. You could do that wit= h a Repeater, but starting out with MIDI cc#'s according to the manual I = did not get it right until Bill Walker told me that it also works with pl= ain MIDI note messages (a tip for you Repeater owners). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 22 20:34:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17E3C3C009; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kv2BUo26UzB11npWN36tEfNdxKBS0c4qP/BqCLmA16r00urNj54sdF+fc8wtBKcbTLEYJZu4IqW8Kv0LdF4e0OKsYPyznsW8MscpmG0h7CPDOsEKoFsSH6Oz2d+nicW5DTtCW/OcAShPtP/1/pamhqplg/Y9OdWZG22n7I5NyMM= ; Message-ID: <20050622203451.34606.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: finger controller and Repeater melodic loop manipulation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <016b01c576fb$15851800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Rick i am interested go ahead and send it to me! cheers Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I see that M-Audio has a new controller called a > Trigger Finger which has 16 > pads and several knobs and sliders. > > I want one badly because it is small and lightweight > and has the equivalent > of two octaves of modal triggering capabilities > which in my harmonically limited universe is my idea > of a good time. > > I used to use my Roland Octapad as what I called a > modal log drum and I > loaded up several different > world music scales from C to C into it so that I > could trigger my old Akai > S950 sampler......voila, a modal > electronic baliphone with no wrong notes (as long as > you don't > modulate...............lol). > > I've been using my Octapad again to control my > Repeater loops melodically. > I love doing this with a complex timbral > loop like a brass candy dish, stuck and controlled > by overtone comb filter > manipulations using the chamber of the mouth. The > portamento effect when > going between intervallically disparate notes is so > cool using this > technique and I love taking a found object and > suddenly recontextualizing > it into a tuned and playable musical instrument. > > Again, credit where credit is due (which seems to be > my spiritual lesson and > work for this week), my brother > Bill is the person who hipped me to this technique > and I think he does it as > well as anyone I've seen. > > I especially love how he uses a sequencer on his > midi guitar to drive octave > and fifth jumps on his Repeater loops. > If anyone wants to hear the results of a very cool > experiment that Bill did > using me, a kanjira and a Bansuri bamboo > flute as his guinea pigs let me know and I'll e-mail > it to you off list. > > I think it is too hefty to post at L.D. although I'm > a little murky on the > accuracy of that statement. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 00:18:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2C5F3BFCC; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <51D54CCD-80B5-4CA1-A014-B26EA67549B8@chrissewell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: FCB 101/RDP Question. I still don't get it. Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:18:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - chrissewell.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Ill buy a bottle of scotch to anyone who can help. I have the FCB pedals programmed for all the standard footswitch controls, Rec, Overdub, etc. I just dont under stand how to program the Expression pedals. I got emails saying they work just like the other pedals. But, they don't. For instance, record is note 38. What are the notes for Output volume. What should VolumeCont on the EDP be set at? Or FeedbackCont for that matter? How do I let the EDP know which expression pedal it should listen to? How do I tell the FCB to send info from the expression pedals. I know once I get it, I'll get it. But this doesnt really make sense at the moment. Thanks in advance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 02:03:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E891D3BFF5; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57797.AA3B5D16" Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:02:25 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60AC@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! thread-index: AcV21uYD3A354a9SRTGIBogc3PDldwAvr6jg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2005 02:02:54.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAF04FD0:01C57797] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:03:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57797.AA3B5D16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been meaning to ask a related question after seeing one of my looping videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do with finding the best quality yet smallest file size for videos. For this video below, and the others, they were shot professionally in a studio with three camera men, producer, sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good effects like panning or fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera shots, and so on. I was given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have converted to DVD. I ripped the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), then converted that to a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. The quality of these wmv videos is acceptable...no overt choppiness in the sound. movement is relatively smooth, etc, but the files are still large. A 10 min. 25 second video of mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x 160. =20 =20 However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even further without loosing quality? I've tried Real Audio...no luck. I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=3Dhttp://www.sorensonst= o re.com/products/sq4cswin.html It sounds like the ticket though. =20 ...looking for other options, or I just suck it up and accept a 15MB file size for a 10 minute video.=20 =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:03 PM To: Hartung, Kris Subject: Everyday digest Loopers Delight Library - Daily Digest Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv Looping Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units=20 Instrument(s): Taylor Acoustic=20 URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 Comments: Video shot on September 28, 2004. The music in this video was predominately improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various tone altering effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video was produced for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on Treasure Valley Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA)=20 Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar and real-time looping=20 Video Production - Brian Dyas Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb 06.21.2005 08:54 kkhartung =09 Web Page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57797.AA3B5D16 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been meaning to ask a related question = after=20 seeing one of my looping videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do = with=20 finding the best quality yet smallest file size for videos. For = this video=20 below, and the others, they were shot professionally in a studio = with three=20 camera men, producer, sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good = effects=20 like panning or fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera = shots, and so=20 on. I was given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have converted = to DVD.=20 I ripped the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), then = converted=20 that to a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. The quality of these wmv = videos=20 is acceptable...no overt choppiness in the sound. movement is relatively = smooth,=20 etc, but the files are still large. A 10 min. 25 second video of mine is = 15MB=20 and the size is 208 x 160. 
 
However, is there a media format that = will get the=20 file size down even further without loosing quality? I've tried Real = Audio...no=20 luck. I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. = http://www.sorensonstore.com/prod= uct_info.php?url=3Dhttp://www.sorensonstore.com/products/sq4cswin.html =20 It sounds like the ticket though.
 
...looking for other options, or I just suck = it up and=20 accept a 15MB file size for a 10 minute video.
 
Kris
 
From: Kim Flint=20 [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, = 2005 9:03=20 PM
To: Hartung, Kris
Subject: Everyday=20 digest

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Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv
Looping Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units=20
Instrument(s): Taylor Acoustic
URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com
Comments: = Video shot=20 on September 28, 2004. The music in this video was predominately=20 improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various tone = altering=20 effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video was = produced=20 for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on Treasure = Valley=20 Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA)

Krispen = Hartung -=20 Acoustic guitar and real-time looping
Video Production - Brian = Dyas=20 		Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb 06.21.2005 08:54 kkhartung


Web = Page:=20 http://www.loopers-delight.com/files ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57797.AA3B5D16-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 03:59:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0083C010; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: FS: Lexicon JamMan / Reflex Hybrid device Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:59:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C57786.60440280" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcV3p+ZBPcBbXlCPRde+V+TjwdWPug== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050623035911.2836C3C00D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:59:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C57786.60440280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Fellow Loopers! In cooperation with the original designer of the JamMan, I have a JamMan/Reflex hybrid for sale. The device comes configured as a Lexicon JamMan. By simply replacing the internal EEPROM with the supplied Reflex EPROM, you now have a TRUE Lexicon MIDI Reverberator. Here's what you get: * (1) an original Lexicon Reflex rack unit configured as a Lexicon JamMan * (1) 32 second JamMan RAM upgrade (installed) * (1) Power Supply * (1) JamMan Manual * (1) JamMan Front Panel Laminate * (1) Reflex EPROM * (1) Reflex Manual * (1) Reflex Reference Card - These Lexicon devices are out of production and highly sought after. - This unit is clean and in full working order. - Some minor rack rash on the ears and some scratches on the faceplate but this is only cosmetic. - If you have any questions, please email me at edmondson5 comcast net. Note: Since this device is based on the Lexicon Reflex hardware, only a single 3 button footswitch can be used for footswitch operation of either the JamMan or the Reflex. However, full MIDI control is still available for either device. The price is $375 plus $15 shipping in US ($40 for overseas). I will refund your money if you're not happy with the device (item must be returned within 14 days). Regards, Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C57786.60440280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Fellow Loopers!

 

In cooperation with the original designer of the = JamMan, I have a JamMan/Reflex hybrid for sale.

 

The device comes configured as a Lexicon JamMan. By = simply replacing the internal EEPROM with the supplied Reflex = EPROM,

you now have a TRUE Lexicon MIDI = Reverberator.

 

Here's what you get:

 

    * (1) an original Lexicon Reflex = rack unit configured as a Lexicon JamMan

    * (1) 32 second JamMan RAM upgrade (installed)

    * (1) Power = Supply

    * (1) JamMan = Manual

    * (1) JamMan Front Panel = Laminate

    * (1) Reflex = EPROM

    * (1) Reflex = Manual

    * (1) Reflex Reference = Card

 

- These Lexicon devices are out of production and = highly sought after.

- This unit is clean and in full working = order.

- Some minor rack rash on the ears and some scratches = on the faceplate but this is only cosmetic.

- If you have any questions, please email me at = edmondson5 <at> comcast <dot> net.

 

Note: Since this device is based on the Lexicon = Reflex hardware,

      only a single 3 button footswitch can be used for footswitch operation of either the JamMan or = the Reflex.

      However, full = MIDI control is still available for either = device.

 

The price is $375 plus $15 shipping in US ($40 for = overseas). I will refund your money if you're not happy with the device (item must = be returned within 14 days).

 

Regards,

Bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C57786.60440280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 08:28:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C3E83C021; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050623002055.04f893e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:28:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FCB 101/RDP Question. I still don't get it. In-Reply-To: <51D54CCD-80B5-4CA1-A014-B26EA67549B8@chrissewell.net> References: <51D54CCD-80B5-4CA1-A014-B26EA67549B8@chrissewell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:28:09 +0000 (UTC) At 05:18 PM 6/22/2005, Chris Sewell wrote: >Ill buy a bottle of scotch to anyone who can help. *See note below >I have the FCB >pedals programmed for all the standard footswitch controls, Rec, >Overdub, etc. >I just dont under stand how to program the Expression pedals. I can't help you much with the FSB side, since I don't have one. But I will try to answer the EDP questions. I do remember something about the FSB pedal needing to be calibrated, so you should look into that. >I got >emails saying they work just like the other pedals. But, they don't. >For instance, record is note 38. What are the notes for Output >volume. What should VolumeCont on the EDP be set at? Or FeedbackCont >for that matter? On the EDP, Output Volume and Feedback are always controlled by MIDI Continuous Controller messages. They are never controlled by MIDI note messages. Even if you set the ControlSource Parameter on the EDP to "Notes", these two are still controlled by Continuous Controller messages. Only the button press type functions can be controlled with MIDI note messages. (like Record, Overdub, Multiply, etc.) I'll ignore this area here, since it seems you have that working. In MIDI, Continuous Controllers have two parts. One part of the command is the Controller number. The second part of the command is the value. For example, say you want to control volume on a device using MIDI. On this receiving device, you set which controller number is assigned for volume. Let's say you set it to controller #7. (In the original MIDI spec, Controller #7 was designated for volume, but in reality many devices let you assign controller #'s any way you like.) Next you set your midi pedal to send Controller #7 when you move the pedal. Then as you move the pedal, your pedal will send MIDI controller commands with controller #7, and value from 0-127 depending on the position of the pedal. In these cases, you need to make sure your pedal is sending the MIDI cc messages on the same MIDI channel that the receiving device is listening on. Now for the EDP. The VolumeCont parameter is used to set which MIDI Continuous Controller number is used to control volume. The default number is 7. That's probably a good place to set it. The FeedBkCont parameter is used to set which controller number is used for Feedback. The default is 1. On your midi controller, set the pedals to send on the same MIDI channel as the Echoplex. For the pedal you wish to use to control volume, set it to use Controller# 7, since that is the setting in the VolumeCont parameter. For the pedal you wish to use to control Feedback, set it to 1 (or whatever you have FeedBkCont set to on the Echoplex.) Now, assuming your midi pedal is working correctly, it should work! >How do I let the EDP know which expression pedal it should listen to? >How do I tell the FCB to send info from the expression pedals. >I know once I get it, I'll get it. But this doesnt really make sense >at the moment. >Thanks in advance. You are welcome, and I hope this helped! Let me know if you have questions or if something still doesn't make sense. kim *I really like that Lagavulin. Highland Park has long been another fave. And for the rest of you, please note how much faster I respond when there are bribes involved. :-) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 08:43:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 497853C02F; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050623014151.04fdad80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:43:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) In-Reply-To: References: <20050621225236.25902.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:43:30 +0000 (UTC) At 04:24 PM 6/21/2005, Russ Rosser wrote: >How does one sych loops to a drum machine?? I have a Boss Loop Station and >would like to know of a technique that might applywithout custom-rewiring >into the unit (which i'll otherwise proceed with). Tx. The best technique for you is to dump the low-end boss and get a looper with MIDI that supports MIDI clock sync. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 09:31:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AB5C3C026; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:30:16 +0200 Subject: Re: FCB 101/RDP Question. I still don't get it. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050623002055.04f893e0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Dear Kim, Am over in Europe on tour and did stop by Edinburgh... So. When you are next in New York, you have a dram of Linkwood or Ardbeg, 16 year Cask Strength in your future. Both of which you cannot get in the states. And though Lagavulin and Highland Park are both faves of mine as well, Ardbeg comes from a place just a little higher on the globe and therefore even a little peatier and smoky. In any case, I owe you for the many years of good service anyway... Todd Chris, good move, this moved us right into the scotch looping conversation. Which is always good... T. On 6/23/05 10:28 AM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > At 05:18 PM 6/22/2005, Chris Sewell wrote: >> Ill buy a bottle of scotch to anyone who can help. >=20 > *See note below >=20 >> I have the FCB >> pedals programmed for all the standard footswitch controls, Rec, >> Overdub, etc. >> I just dont under stand how to program the Expression pedals. >=20 > I can't help you much with the FSB side, since I don't have one. But I wi= ll > try to answer the EDP questions. I do remember something about the FSB > pedal needing to be calibrated, so you should look into that. >=20 >> I got >> emails saying they work just like the other pedals. But, they don't. >> For instance, record is note 38. What are the notes for Output >> volume. What should VolumeCont on the EDP be set at? Or FeedbackCont >> for that matter? >=20 > On the EDP, Output Volume and Feedback are always controlled by MIDI > Continuous Controller messages. They are never controlled by MIDI note > messages. Even if you set the ControlSource Parameter on the EDP to > "Notes", these two are still controlled by Continuous Controller messages= . >=20 > Only the button press type functions can be controlled with MIDI note > messages. (like Record, Overdub, Multiply, etc.) I'll ignore this area > here, since it seems you have that working. >=20 > In MIDI, Continuous Controllers have two parts. One part of the command i= s > the Controller number. The second part of the command is the value. >=20 > For example, say you want to control volume on a device using MIDI. On th= is > receiving device, you set which controller number is assigned for volume. > Let's say you set it to controller #7. (In the original MIDI spec, > Controller #7 was designated for volume, but in reality many devices let > you assign controller #'s any way you like.) Next you set your midi pedal > to send Controller #7 when you move the pedal. Then as you move the pedal= , > your pedal will send MIDI controller commands with controller #7, and > value from 0-127 depending on the position of the pedal. >=20 > In these cases, you need to make sure your pedal is sending the MIDI cc > messages on the same MIDI channel that the receiving device is listening = on. >=20 > Now for the EDP. The VolumeCont parameter is used to set which MIDI > Continuous Controller number is used to control volume. The default numbe= r > is 7. That's probably a good place to set it. >=20 > The FeedBkCont parameter is used to set which controller number is used f= or > Feedback. The default is 1. >=20 > On your midi controller, set the pedals to send on the same MIDI channel = as > the Echoplex. For the pedal you wish to use to control volume, set it to > use Controller# 7, since that is the setting in the VolumeCont parameter. > For the pedal you wish to use to control Feedback, set it to 1 (or whatev= er > you have FeedBkCont set to on the Echoplex.) >=20 > Now, assuming your midi pedal is working correctly, it should work! >=20 >=20 >> How do I let the EDP know which expression pedal it should listen to? >> How do I tell the FCB to send info from the expression pedals. >> I know once I get it, I'll get it. But this doesnt really make sense >> at the moment. >> Thanks in advance. >=20 > You are welcome, and I hope this helped! Let me know if you have question= s > or if something still doesn't make sense. >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 > *I really like that Lagavulin. Highland Park has long been another fave. >=20 > And for the rest of you, please note how much faster I respond when there > are bribes involved. :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >=20 --=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn VISIT ETHEL=B9S BRAND NEW SITE ABOVE AND CHECK OUT THE TR JJ AND ETHEL TOUR DATES, THE NEW BLOG, THE CONAN VIDEO AND MORE! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 09:35:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C8A3C02C; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <51D54CCD-80B5-4CA1-A014-B26EA67549B8@chrissewell.net> References: <51D54CCD-80B5-4CA1-A014-B26EA67549B8@chrissewell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB 101/RDP Question. I still don't get it. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:35:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:35:14 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:18, Chris Sewell wrote: > Ill buy a bottle of scotch to anyone who can help. I have the FCB > pedals programmed for all the standard footswitch controls, Rec, > Overdub, etc. > I just dont under stand how to program the Expression pedals. I got > emails saying they work just like the other pedals. But, they don't. > For instance, record is note 38. What are the notes for Output volume. The expression pedals can not send a note number. They can only send continues controller data (MIDI cc). There are 127 MIDI cc's and each one can vary between value 1 and 128 (or between 0 and 127, but that's the same). > What should VolumeCont on the EDP be set at? I think the EDP ships with Volume mapped to MIDI cc 7. That's the standard for most electronic instruments. > Or FeedbackCont for that matter? Simply set the FCB expr pedal to a cc number and set the EDP to pick Feedback Control from that MIDI cc. Remember to set the EDP to listen on the same general MIDI as everything is sent on from the FCB. > How do I let the EDP know which expression pedal it should listen to? Programming the EDP is done from the front panel buttons. > How do I tell the FCB to send info from the expression pedals. See the FCB manual for how to program it. Just remember, as someone just pointed out, that the FCB sets the MIDI channel globally for every "pad" (that's what the Behringer manual calls the functions). Don't mix up such a "pad" with the physical buttons you step on. A physical button can be set to trigger one or many pads. Each pad does only send its data on the MIDI channel specified in the global setting menu. I had some hard time before I understood this from reading the FCB manual. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 12:14:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FD13BFF5; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:14:48 +0100 Subject: FW: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) From: jeremy To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per and Rick,=20 I use a Korg ER-1 for this purpose. It also serves as a tap tempo MIDI cloc= k source. Stopping and starting the ER-1 means you can both "freeze" the button presses in one "scene", and then restart the EDP commands in time. You can change the pattern of button presses while playing. (remember the shift key if you move between one notes sequence and another. I very rarely use the sounds on the ER-1 but for those who do it is possibl= e to assign any sound to any note so you can have the notes assigned to EDP functions where convenient for the EDP and the notes for drum sounds out of range.=20 Midi channel is set globally and can only be changed when ER-1 is stopped. That's an easy way to use the same pattern to do drums without sending to the EDP.=20 Best wishes Jeremy > On Jun 22, 2005, at 0:52, L. Angulo wrote: >=20 >> Hey Rick! >> Isnt this what we had asked Claude Voit when we played >> at the loop fest in Switzerland 2 yrs ago? I believe >> he said he used this same technique in his CD >> recording,which he explained to us briefly but not in >> detail and i am still standing in a foggy day with >> this so can you experienced loopers share this >> technique once more? i=B4d love to do it with my MPC1000 >> sampler! >> cheers >> Luis >=20 >=20 > Rick told me too about "Andre controlling the EDP with a drum > machine" when we played together here in Sweden in 2003. But I always > took that for simply stepping on the drum machines buttons to send > out midi notes that trig different actions in the EDP. I've tried > that myself many times before getting the much better controller > Behringer FCB1010. You can not set every function to a unique note > number in the EDP, but there is an off-set to match the full midi > note scale of any drum machine (or other midi note sending source) > used to match the EDP functions you want to access. >=20 > Maybe I did not understand Rick correctly, but that's how it fell > into my brain back then ;-) If you can manage to match some midi > notes from a drum machine, used as action triggers for the EDP, with > an audio output of a good beat from the drum machine, this will > provide a quite compact and yet powerful performance set-up. Given > you have a mixer to blend the drum machine's and the EDP's audio > output (or rely on the sound man to mix it on the house system). >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 =20 ------ End of Forwarded Message From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 13:16:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03F0A3C02E; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DjmBoBcoe+lC7PpOx4dZLhTo3UJwjpyYS0m0DVEG6VURDWLc2v9upmRCt4YhnZxa4ps0GZpFEiHKuLrOzReatR2ZheNWRkdzEsoOlzQgvwIVHdaBM/4PT3MywBYh14ns/rVMsEPcFX+V/HFQt2Z3dbg1PcwjUhr1qstQEkkGZw0= Message-ID: <64b81a7805062306156e612099@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:15:59 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 101/RDP Question. I still don't get it. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <51D54CCD-80B5-4CA1-A014-B26EA67549B8@chrissewell.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:16:00 +0000 (UTC) For all things FCB1010 check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/. They've got an excellent 'files' section with lots of how-tos plus the discussion group for specific questions. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 14:10:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 201923C017; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050623070430.01b10d18@mailone.real.com> X-Sender: sony@mailone.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:09:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sony Felberg Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60AC@idbexc02.americas.c pqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_goodfellas.real.com-3122-1119535803-0001-2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:10:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_goodfellas.real.com-3122-1119535803-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the streaming rate? Todays market calls broadband 200 - 300 kpbs. The common frame size is 320x240. Players can resize better than encoders can encode larger frames. Also, be sure to sue 2pass encoding when converting to WMV, RM, or MOV. The first pass maps pixel movement. The second pass encodes based on pixel map. I wont bore you with the details. Have you tried converting into MOV format? Is a very friendly data type. At 07:02 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: >I've been meaning to ask a related question after seeing one of my looping >videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do with finding the best quality >yet smallest file size for videos. For this video below, and the others, >they were shot professionally in a studio with three camera men, producer, >sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good effects like panning or >fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera shots, and so on. I was >given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have converted to DVD. I >ripped the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), then >converted that to a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. The quality of >these wmv videos is acceptable...no overt choppiness in the sound. >movement is relatively smooth, etc, but the files are still large. A 10 >min. 25 second video of mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x 160. > >However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even >further without loosing quality? I've tried Real Audio...no luck. I hear >Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. >http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=http://www.sorensonstore.com/products/sq4cswin.html >It sounds like the ticket though. > >...looking for other options, or I just suck it up and accept a 15MB file >size for a 10 minute video. > >Kris > > >---------- >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:03 PM >To: Hartung, Kris >Subject: Everyday digest > >Loopers Delight Library - Daily Digest > >Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv >Looping Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units >Instrument(s): Taylor Acoustic >URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com >Comments: Video shot on September 28, 2004. The music in this video was >predominately improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various >tone altering effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video >was produced for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on >Treasure Valley Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA) > >Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar and real-time looping >Video Production - Brian Dyas Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb 06.21.2005 >08:54 kkhartung > > >Web Page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files --=_goodfellas.real.com-3122-1119535803-0001-2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the streaming rate?


Todays market calls broadband 200 - 300 kpbs. The common frame size is 320x240. Players can resize better than encoders can encode larger frames.

Also, be sure to sue 2pass encoding when converting to WMV, RM, or MOV. The first pass maps pixel movement. The second pass encodes based on pixel map.  I wont bore you with the details.

Have you tried converting into MOV format? Is a very friendly data type.



At 07:02 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:
I've been meaning to ask a related question after seeing one of my looping videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do with finding the best quality yet smallest file size for videos. For this video below, and the others, they were shot professionally in a studio with three camera men, producer, sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good effects like panning or fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera shots, and so on. I was given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have converted to DVD. I ripped the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), then converted that to a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. The quality of these wmv videos is acceptable...no overt choppiness in the sound. movement is relatively smooth, etc, but the files are still large. A 10 min. 25 second video of mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x 160. 
 
However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even further without loosing quality? I've tried Real Audio...no luck. I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=http://www.sorensonstore.com/products/sq4cswin.html  It sounds like the ticket though.
 
...looking for other options, or I just suck it up and accept a 15MB file size for a 10 minute video.
 
Kris
 
From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:03 PM
To: Hartung, Kris
Subject: Everyday digest

Loopers Delight Library - Daily Digest

Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv
Looping Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units
Instrument(s): Taylor Acoustic
URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com
Comments: Video shot on September 28, 2004. The music in this video was predominately improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various tone altering effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video was produced for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on Treasure Valley Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA)

Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar and real-time looping
Video Production - Brian Dyas Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb 06.21.2005 08:54 kkhartung


Web Page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files
--=_goodfellas.real.com-3122-1119535803-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 14:25:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C9E3C02A; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a7805062306156e612099@mail.gmail.com> References: <51D54CCD-80B5-4CA1-A014-B26EA67549B8@chrissewell.net> <64b81a7805062306156e612099@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BDE5EE2-8BD6-48A2-BB0B-CCC4B79D0A37@gguitars.com> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: FCB 101/RDP Question. I still don't get it. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:25:41 -0400 To: Todd Pafford X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Today I am a man. I figured it out. Scotch for everybody. On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > For all things FCB1010 check out > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/. They've got an excellent > 'files' section with lots of how-tos plus the discussion group for > specific questions. > > Todd > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 14:36:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 512A93C03F; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57800.E8FCE8C1" Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:36:13 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111EC63@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! thread-index: AcV3/Um1cZ9hdg8/Q+KLF+m5nArsBwAAyCTg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2005 14:36:16.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9674700:01C57800] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:36:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57800.E8FCE8C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You want specs? I'll give you specs.:) =20 Bit Rate: 218 kbps Video size: 208 X 160 Aspect ratio: 13:10 Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, 22kHz, stereo (A/V) 1 pass CBR Video Codec: Windows Media Video V8 =20 Basically, I covert from mpeg to wmv using the color pocket PC option. Seems to work the best. =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! what is the streaming rate?=20 Todays market calls broadband 200 - 300 kpbs. The common frame size is 320x240. Players can resize better than encoders can encode larger frames.=20 Also, be sure to sue 2pass encoding when converting to WMV, RM, or MOV. The first pass maps pixel movement. The second pass encodes based on pixel map. I wont bore you with the details. Have you tried converting into MOV format? Is a very friendly data type. At 07:02 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: I've been meaning to ask a related question after seeing one of my looping videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do with finding the best quality yet smallest file size for videos. For this video below, and the others, they were shot professionally in a studio with three camera men, producer, sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good effects like panning or fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera shots, and so on. I was given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have converted to DVD. I ripped the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), then converted that to a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. The quality of these wmv videos is acceptable...no overt choppiness in the sound. movement is relatively smooth, etc, but the files are still large. A 10 min. 25 second video of mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x 160. =20 =20 However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even further without loosing quality? I've tried Real Audio...no luck. I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=3Dhttp://www.sorensonst= o re.com/products/sq4cswin.html It sounds like the ticket though. =20 ...looking for other options, or I just suck it up and accept a 15MB file size for a 10 minute video.=20 =20 Kris =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:03 PM To: Hartung, Kris Subject: Everyday digest =09 Loopers Delight Library - Daily Digest =09 Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv Looping Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units=20 Instrument(s): Taylor Acoustic=20 URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 Comments: Video shot on September 28, 2004. The music in this video was predominately improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various tone altering effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video was produced for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on Treasure Valley Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA)=20 =09 Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar and real-time looping=20 Video Production - Brian Dyas Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb 06.21.2005 08:54 kkhartung =09 =09 Web Page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57800.E8FCE8C1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You want specs? I'll give you = specs.:)
 
Bit Rate: 218 kbps
Video size: 208 X 160
Aspect ratio: 13:10
Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, = 22kHz, stereo=20 (A/V) 1 pass CBR
Video Codec: Windows Media Video = V8
 
Basically, I covert from mpeg to wmv using the = color pocket=20 PC option. Seems to work the best.
 
Kris
 

From: Sony Felberg = [mailto:sony@real.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:09 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Everyday = digest /=20 Loop Videos / How to get file size down!

what is the streaming rate?


Todays market calls = broadband=20 200 - 300 kpbs. The common frame size is 320x240. Players can resize = better than=20 encoders can encode larger frames.

Also, be sure to sue 2pass = encoding=20 when converting to WMV, RM, or MOV. The first pass maps pixel movement. = The=20 second pass encodes based on pixel map.  I wont bore you with the=20 details.

Have you tried converting into MOV format? Is a very = friendly=20 data type.



At 07:02 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:
I've been meaning to ask a related question after seeing one = of my=20 looping videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do with finding the = best=20 quality yet smallest file size for videos. For this video below, and = the=20 others, they were shot professionally in a studio with three camera = men,=20 producer, sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good effects like = panning=20 or fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera shots, and so = on. I was=20 given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have converted to DVD. = I ripped=20 the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), then converted = that to=20 a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. The quality of these wmv = videos is=20 acceptable...no overt choppiness in the sound. movement is relatively = smooth,=20 etc, but the files are still large. A 10 min. 25 second video of mine = is 15MB=20 and the size is 208 x 160. 
 
However, is there a media format that will = get the file=20 size down even further without loosing quality? I've tried Real = Audio...no=20 luck. I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy = it. http://www.sorensonstore.com/prod= uct_info.php?url=3Dhttp://www.sorensonstore.com/products/sq4cswin.html =20 It sounds like the ticket though.
 
...looking for other options, or I just suck = it up and=20 accept a 15MB file size for a 10 minute video. =
 
Kris
 
From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] =
Sent:=20 Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:03 PM
To: Hartung, = Kris
Subject:=20 Everyday digest

Loopers Delight Library - Daily=20 Digest

Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv
Looping=20 Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units
Instrument(s): = Taylor=20 Acoustic
URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com =
Comments: Video shot on September 28, 2004. The music in this = video was=20 predominately improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various = tone=20 altering effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video = was=20 produced for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on = Treasure=20 Valley Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA)

Krispen = Hartung -=20 Acoustic guitar and real-time looping
Video Production - Brian = Dyas=20 Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb 06.21.2005 08:54=20 kkhartung


Web Page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files=20
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Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" To: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: unsubscribe > unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 15:19:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0DC43C049; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HGnoqL+z2Qn63Avc+U2noXyHi03T0+G9RNOuqMfKoic2vqUCHjLP6vIgBBNnOLoSOnhXm5aAEgDvqh0Epw5ZIMg8/6o65M6dJl2wQBfpEd4zgArQc5dC2JGZcJ6/RhBsMfNYRdDMejnj9cKLt7ovog3BlKTtJK+ugZXB2KKW8XU= ; Message-ID: <20050623151952.86783.qmail@web60620.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Fata Subject: Re: How to get the file size down To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050623082810.517B93C027@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:19:53 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Hartung, Kris" > To: > Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to > get file size down! > > I was given the master on Super VHS, Not the best quality, you already lost one generation. >which I paid to have converted to DVD. I ripped the DVD to the best >quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), MPEG is already a compressed format, so you're compressing it again and most likely it's going down hill from there. Plus, MPEG is one track, audio and video mixed together. You want to be able to compress video and audio separately. It'll eventually be one file, but don't start with an MPEG. I'm not familiar with this "DVD editing quality" that you mention. >then converted that to a series of >Windows Media (wmv) videos. The >quality of these wmv videos is >acceptable...no overt choppiness in >the sound. movement is relatively >smooth, etc, but the files are still >large. What did you use to convert to WMV? >A 10 min. 25 second video of >mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x >160. > However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even > further without loosing quality? > I've tried Real Audio...no luck. The worst! >I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. Yeah, expensive...but that's the way to go. Get your movie uncompressed onto a DVD as data not MPEG. So it's not compressed to begin with. The video should contain two tracks, one video and one audio (stereo, mono whatever) I'm familiar with using Quicktime. So you would recieve a high quality QT movie on DVD, import into Sorenson, choose a frame size, 320x240, 240x180, etc. and finally experiment with data rates. Sorenson has something called "Variable Bit Rate" It does two passes on your movie, first is analyzing and second is compressing. You could also consider a final MPEG so all platforms could play it. Main thing is to start out with a highest quality, a master, and compress from there. Time consuming, but it works. HTH, Fred > http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=http://www.sorensonstore.com/products/sq4cswin.html It sounds like the > ticket though. > > ...looking for other options, or I just suck it up > and accept a 15MB > file size for a 10 minute video. > > Kris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 15:38:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 660023C04E; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Russ Rosser" To: Subject: RE: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhard Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050623014151.04fdad80@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8vqwQB.A.LMB.vdtuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:38:24 +0000 (UTC) > The best technique for you is to dump the low-end boss and get a looper with MIDI that supports MIDI clock sync. I'm new to this, so a definitive listing of alternatives would be welcome. Two categories that I'd need to explore are 1) normal audio loopers, of course, and 2) *MIDI* loopers (if they make such a thing) that would loop the MIDI note commands rather than the final sound from the tone generator that was played. The latter would be preferable. Thanks much! --Russ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 15:56:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3AD3C042; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: Riff Box Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:56:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - chrissewell.net Resent-Message-ID: <3wEwHD.A.B1B.-utuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Anyone try the new Riff Box by Backline Egineering? (http:// www.backline-eng.com/). It looks like it has some interesting things going on. Im still waiting for the perfect looper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 16:42:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596D43BFE1; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JkDqLjTEiZWVylCSeTWyI7RAIY5Wc15yXv8KzYqsM89JxB6AabfGXit90NqyiPoql7Rd6D4NxL/Yq23dj7NAQyLZ1O8CHSyagLzHJxJvmkfQXBYglVzjhYLOWIjkv/LFWxMwqYCS5QkAiXC+tzs4Cfh6BLGVzrUUa/bbxoLZX/M= ; Message-ID: <20050623164239.20869.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: FCB 101/RDP Question. I still don't get it. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) also dont forget to activate the buttons Exp A Exp B cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:18, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > Ill buy a bottle of scotch to anyone who can help. > I have the FCB > > pedals programmed for all the standard footswitch > controls, Rec, > > Overdub, etc. > > I just dont under stand how to program the > Expression pedals. I got > > emails saying they work just like the other > pedals. But, they don't. > > For instance, record is note 38. What are the > notes for Output volume. > > The expression pedals can not send a note number. > They can only send > continues controller data (MIDI cc). There are 127 > MIDI cc's and each > one can vary between value 1 and 128 (or between 0 > and 127, but > that's the same). > > > What should VolumeCont on the EDP be set at? > > I think the EDP ships with Volume mapped to MIDI cc > 7. That's the > standard for most electronic instruments. > > > Or FeedbackCont for that matter? > > Simply set the FCB expr pedal to a cc number and set > the EDP to pick > Feedback Control from that MIDI cc. Remember to set > the EDP to listen > on the same general MIDI as everything is sent on > from the FCB. > > > How do I let the EDP know which expression pedal > it should listen to? > > Programming the EDP is done from the front panel > buttons. > > > How do I tell the FCB to send info from the > expression pedals. > > See the FCB manual for how to program it. Just > remember, as someone > just pointed out, that the FCB sets the MIDI channel > globally for > every "pad" (that's what the Behringer manual calls > the functions). > Don't mix up such a "pad" with the physical buttons > you step on. A > physical button can be set to trigger one or many > pads. Each pad does > only send its data on the MIDI channel specified in > the global > setting menu. I had some hard time before I > understood this from > reading the FCB manual. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 16:45:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2F523C010; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050623093954.01b04398@mailone.real.com> X-Sender: sony@mailone.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:44:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sony Felberg Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111EC63@idbexc02.americas .cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-1557-1119545147-0001-2" Resent-Message-ID: <34cfHC.A.bPD._cuuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:45:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-1557-1119545147-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2pass will give about 20% better video quality when using WMV. WMV tends to have fuzz lines. If you are willing to encode again try 2pass and/or MOV (Quick Time). if you'd like to know more about video encoding/codecs visit doom9.net. It where codec engineers from around the world hangout and discuss such topics. They can get very deep. At 07:36 AM 6/23/2005, Hartung, Kris wrote: >You want specs? I'll give you specs.:) > >Bit Rate: 218 kbps >Video size: 208 X 160 >Aspect ratio: 13:10 >Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, 22kHz, stereo (A/V) 1 pass CBR >Video Codec: Windows Media Video V8 > >Basically, I covert from mpeg to wmv using the color pocket PC option. >Seems to work the best. > >Kris > > > >---------- >From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:09 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! > >what is the streaming rate? > > >Todays market calls broadband 200 - 300 kpbs. The common frame size is >320x240. Players can resize better than encoders can encode larger frames. > >Also, be sure to sue 2pass encoding when converting to WMV, RM, or MOV. >The first pass maps pixel movement. The second pass encodes based on pixel >map. I wont bore you with the details. > >Have you tried converting into MOV format? Is a very friendly data type. > > > >At 07:02 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: >>I've been meaning to ask a related question after seeing one of my >>looping videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do with finding the >>best quality yet smallest file size for videos. For this video below, and >>the others, they were shot professionally in a studio with three camera >>men, producer, sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good effects >>like panning or fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera shots, >>and so on. I was given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have >>converted to DVD. I ripped the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing >>quality), then converted that to a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. >>The quality of these wmv videos is acceptable...no overt choppiness in >>the sound. movement is relatively smooth, etc, but the files are still >>large. A 10 min. 25 second video of mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x 160. >> >>However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even >>further without loosing quality? I've tried Real Audio...no luck. I hear >>Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. >>http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=http://www.sorensonstore.com/products/sq4cswin.html >>It sounds like the ticket though. >> >>...looking for other options, or I just suck it up and accept a 15MB file >>size for a 10 minute video. >> >>Kris >> >> >>---------- >>From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:03 PM >>To: Hartung, Kris >>Subject: Everyday digest >> >>Loopers Delight Library - Daily Digest >> >>Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv >>Looping Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units >>Instrument(s): Taylor Acoustic >>URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com >>Comments: Video shot on September 28, 2004. The music in this video was >>predominately improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various >>tone altering effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video >>was produced for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on >>Treasure Valley Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA) >> >>Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar and real-time looping >>Video Production - Brian Dyas Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb >>06.21.2005 08:54 kkhartung >> >> >>Web Page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files --=_scarface.real.com-1557-1119545147-0001-2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2pass will give about 20% better video quality  when  using WMV. WMV tends to have fuzz lines. If you are willing to encode again try 2pass and/or MOV (Quick Time).

if you'd like to know more about video encoding/codecs visit doom9.net. It where codec engineers from around the world hangout and discuss such topics. They can get very deep.



At 07:36 AM 6/23/2005, Hartung, Kris wrote:
You want specs? I'll give you specs.:)
 
Bit Rate: 218 kbps
Video size: 208 X 160
Aspect ratio: 13:10
Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, 22kHz, stereo (A/V) 1 pass CBR
Video Codec: Windows Media Video V8
 
Basically, I covert from mpeg to wmv using the color pocket PC option. Seems to work the best.
 
Kris
 

From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:09 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down!

what is the streaming rate?


Todays market calls broadband 200 - 300 kpbs. The common frame size is 320x240. Players can resize better than encoders can encode larger frames.

Also, be sure to sue 2pass encoding when converting to WMV, RM, or MOV. The first pass maps pixel movement. The second pass encodes based on pixel map.  I wont bore you with the details.

Have you tried converting into MOV format? Is a very friendly data type.



At 07:02 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:
I've been meaning to ask a related question after seeing one of my looping videos in this digest from Kim. It has to do with finding the best quality yet smallest file size for videos. For this video below, and the others, they were shot professionally in a studio with three camera men, producer, sound engineer, etc...and there was a some good effects like panning or fading from camera to camera, superimposing camera shots, and so on. I was given the master on Super VHS, which I paid to have converted to DVD. I ripped the DVD to the best quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), then converted that to a series of Windows Media (wmv) videos. The quality of these wmv videos is acceptable...no overt choppiness in the sound. movement is relatively smooth, etc, but the files are still large. A 10 min. 25 second video of mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x 160. 
 
However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even further without loosing quality? I've tried Real Audio...no luck. I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=http://www.sorensonstore.com/products/sq4cswin.html  It sounds like the ticket though.
 
...looking for other options, or I just suck it up and accept a 15MB file size for a 10 minute video.
 
Kris
 
From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:03 PM
To: Hartung, Kris
Subject: Everyday digest

Loopers Delight Library - Daily Digest

Krispen_Hartung_-_Off-Centered_Blue.wmv
Looping Tool(s): Two Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro units
Instrument(s): Taylor Acoustic
URL: http://www.krispenhartung.com
Comments: Video shot on September 28, 2004. The music in this video was predominately improvised on the spot with the acoustic guitar, various tone altering effects, and real-time looping technology (EDPs). The video was produced for Brian Dyas' "Boise City Limits", a program aired on Treasure Valley Public Access Television, Boise, Idaho (USA)

Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar and real-time looping
Video Production - Brian Dyas Home/Video_Complete_Songs 4.15 Mb 06.21.2005 08:54 kkhartung


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--=_scarface.real.com-1557-1119545147-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 16:57:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8768B3C02E; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:57:04 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Riff Box In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42BAE9E0.2060206@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > Anyone try the new Riff Box by Backline Egineering? (http:// > www.backline-eng.com/). It looks like it has some interesting things > going on. Im still waiting for the perfect looper. It has been discussed a few times, in a nutshell: - it supports one loop - it does not support being a MIDI sync slave - it does support being a MIDI sync master - it is designed to perform looping operations automatically with minimal footswitch presses They are quite proud of a feature that automatically detects the loop start and end points by monitoring the incoming audio signal to determine where the "beats" are. If you have a clean signal and play music with obvious beats, this probably works reasonably well. But I suspect many users will find this difficult to control and resort to the typical two-tap method of defining the loop length. It will depend on your looping and musical style. It has a concept called "modes" which you can think of like a sequence of looping operations performed automatically with one footswitch press. If what you want to do fits within the constraints of a mode, this could be quite handy. But if you prefer to do free-form loop evolution (ambient, glitch, group improvisation), you may not find this useful. Again, it depends on the style of music you want to make. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 17:06:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A793C049; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1119546358!19748191!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A1CF@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:07:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57816.08F429C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:06:01 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57816.08F429C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> You want specs? I'll give you specs.:) Bit Rate: 218 kbps Video size: 208 X 160 Aspect ratio: 13:10 Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, 22kHz, stereo (A/V) 1 pass CBR Video Codec: Windows Media Video V8 << try wm9 if you can get hold of the encoder. it's heaps better. mpeg4's pretty good too, but wm9 is really good. duncan/r.m.i. (& some sort of video professional, though you'd never know it from the treatment I get at work!) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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 >> You want specs? I'll give you specs.:)
 
Bit Rate: 218 kbps
Video size: 208 X 160
Aspect ratio: 13:10
Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, 22kHz, stereo (A/V) 1 pass CBR
Video Codec: Windows Media Video V8 <<
 
try wm9 if you can get hold of the encoder. it's heaps better. mpeg4's pretty good too, but wm9 is really good.
 
duncan/r.m.i. (& some sort of video professional, though you'd never know it from the treatment I get at work!) 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57816.08F429C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 17:09:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2185A3C051; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1119546538!14904607!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A1D0@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bern hard Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:10:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57816.742BAC40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:09:00 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57816.742BAC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'm new to this, so a definitive listing of alternatives would be welcome. Two categories that I'd need to explore are 1) normal audio loopers, of course, and 2) *MIDI* loopers (if they make such a thing) that would loop the MIDI note commands rather than the final sound from the tone generator that was played. The latter would be preferable. Thanks much!<< russ- do a search in the archived posts, & have a good look at the site. the latter will tell you all you need to know about the audio looping tools, & there are tips & reviews from people actually gigging with these things. the former will take you to several mails I've written on the subject of the p3 sequencer, which is what I use to loop midi notes. you can google "p3 sequencer" to go to it's own group for more details too. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57816.742BAC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: triggering loops with a drum machine (was Re: Crediting Bernhar= d Wagner)

>>I'm new to this, so a definitive listing of alter= natives would be welcome.
Two categories that I'd need to explore are 1) normal au= dio loopers, of
course, and 2) *MIDI* loopers (if they make such a thing= ) that would loop
the MIDI note commands rather than the final sound from = the tone generator
that was played.  The latter would be preferable.&n= bsp;  Thanks much!<<

russ- do a search in the archived posts, & have a goo= d look at the site. the latter will tell you all you need to know about the= audio looping tools, & there are tips & reviews from people actual= ly gigging with these things.

the former will take you to several mails I've written on= the subject of the p3 sequencer, which is what I use to loop midi notes. y= ou can google "p3 sequencer" to go to it's own group for more det= ails too.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C57816.742BAC40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 17:36:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 893193C049; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: How to get the file size down Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:36:30 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111ED14@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How to get the file size down thread-index: AcV4BwbVkV+nQyX+R4mbMSaPFn35WgAEFrtQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2005 17:36:31.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[1815C590:01C5781A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:36:36 +0000 (UTC) > I was given the master on Super VHS, >> Not the best quality, you already lost one generation. Agreed...not much I cold do about that, once I got it to DVD, that wasn't my concern. >which I paid to have converted to DVD. I ripped the DVD to the best >quality mpeg (DVD editing quality), >> MPEG is already a compressed format, so you're compressing it again and most likely it's going down hill from there. Good grief, my 10 minute .mpg video file, ripped from DVD was 750 MB. Are you saying there is a format that will produce a file that is even bigger than that? Why? That mpg file is already specified DVD editing quality. I can burn back to DVD and tell NO difference. Are we talking about .mpg vs. mpeg? I rip to .mpg DVD editing quality. My entire DVD of four videos ripped to over 2 Gig worth of .mpg files. Again, I could burn those back to the DVD and tell no difference in quality. I jus want to find a way to get that 750 MB 10, minute .mpg file down to a smaller size video file....wmv, real, whatever, using Sorensen, etc, etc - doesn't make a difference to me. >>Plus, MPEG is one track, audio and video mixed together. You want to be able to compress video and audio separately. It'll eventually be one file, but don't start with an MPEG. >> I'm not familiar with this "DVD editing quality" that you mention. It's just what Roxio Media Pro recommends to edit and produce DVD qualit videos, to burn to DVD for DVD player use. It's the largest size .mpg file I could generate from ripping the DVD. What format do you suggest I rip my DVD's too then? Or did my .mpg vs. mpeg clarification above settle this? I probably wasn't clear on this. >then converted that to a series of >Windows Media (wmv) videos. The >quality of these wmv videos is >acceptable...no overt choppiness in >the sound. movement is relatively >smooth, etc, but the files are still >large.=20 >> What did you use to convert to WMV? Roxia Media Pro. I've tried the Windowd Media encoder too...no real difference, but Roxio is easy and has a lot of options, and customizability in how you convert, bit rates, many formats, size dimensions, etc. >A 10 min. 25 second video of >mine is 15MB and the size is 208 x >160. However, is there a media format that will get the file size down even further without loosing quality? > I've tried Real Audio...no luck. >>The worst! Suggestions, then? >I hear Sorensen Squeeze 4 can do this but I'm too cheap to buy it. >> Yeah, expensive...but that's the way to go. Get your movie uncompressed onto a DVD as data not MPEG.=20 That's done already. Again, I ripped from DVD to .mpg files. So, you are saying a need to rip the DVD to antother format that produces an even larger file than the .mpg (again, we're talking about over 2 gig of .mpg files for my four videos. >> So it's not compressed to begin with. The video should contain two tracks, one video and one audio (stereo, mono whatever) I'm familiar with using Quicktime. So you would recieve a high quality QT movie on DVD, import into Sorenson, choose a frame size, 320x240, 240x180, etc. and finally experiment with data rates. Sorenson has something called "Variable Bit Rate" It does two passes on your movie, first is analyzing and second is compressing. You could also consider a final MPEG so all platforms could play it. Main thing is to start out with a highest quality, a master, and compress from there. Time consuming, but it works. Well, I guess I'l wait and invest in Sorensen eventually, when can justify the costs. I'm not terribly disapointed with the quality and size of the videos now just for web viewing, just trying to get the size down even more. Thank! Kris HTH, Fred > http://www.sorensonstore.com/product_info.php?url=3Dhttp://www.sorensonst= o re.com/products/sq4cswin.html It sounds like the > ticket though. > =20 > ...looking for other options, or I just suck it up and accept a 15MB=20 > file size for a 10 minute video. > =20 > Kris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 17:53:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7033C018; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5781C.829105E2" Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:53:48 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111ED25@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! thread-index: AcV4Fdh+/GjFRgpGQsegF3ZIuKprigABefpQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2005 17:53:50.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[82FD4160:01C5781C] Resent-Message-ID: <-n8TpD.A.q9F.3cvuCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5781C.829105E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the recommendations and suggestions, everyone. I may have over-complicated my need and request. Where I got the videos (source) set aside, I am perfectly fine with the "quality" of the four .wmv looping videos I have now on the web, "quality" being subjectively defined here for me as "I am fine with the way they look for web viewing purposes." I just want a smaller file. That's it. I already have the videos on DVD and they are very professional looking in that medium....so no need to talk about increasing the quality of my ripped source files (.mpg)....not a problem for me, and not related to my request. =20 I'll look more into better encoding techniques, etc. =20 Also, Fred, I can see and edit both audio and video separately with these large .mpg files that I rip from DVD. You were saying that you don't get this with mpeg, correct? =20 =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! >> You want specs? I'll give you specs.:) =20 Bit Rate: 218 kbps Video size: 208 X 160 Aspect ratio: 13:10 Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, 22kHz, stereo (A/V) 1 pass CBR Video Codec: Windows Media Video V8 << =20 try wm9 if you can get hold of the encoder. it's heaps better. mpeg4's pretty good too, but wm9 is really good. =20 duncan/r.m.i. 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Thanks for all the recommendations and = suggestions,=20 everyone.  I may have over-complicated my need and request.  = Where I=20 got the videos (source) set aside, I am perfectly fine with the = "quality" of the=20 four .wmv looping videos I have now on the web, "quality" being=20 subjectively defined here for me as "I am fine with the way they = look for=20 web viewing purposes." I just want a smaller file. That's it.  I = already=20 have the videos on DVD and they are very professional looking in that=20 medium....so no need to talk about increasing the quality of my ripped = source=20 files (.mpg)....not a problem for me, and not related to my=20 request.
 
I'll look more into better encoding techniques, = etc.
 
Also, Fred, I can see and edit both audio and = video=20 separately with these large .mpg files that I rip from DVD. You were = saying that=20 you don't get this with mpeg, correct? 
 
Kris
 

From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]
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Subject: = RE:=20 Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size = down!

 >> You=20 want specs? I'll give you specs.:)
 
Bit Rate: 218 kbps
Video size: 208 X 160
Aspect ratio: 13:10
Audio codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1, 32kbps, = 22kHz, stereo=20 (A/V) 1 pass CBR
Video Codec: Windows Media Video V8 <<
 
try wm9 if you can get hold = of the=20 encoder. it's heaps better. mpeg4's pretty good too, but wm9 is really=20 good.
 
duncan/r.m.i. (& some = sort of video=20 professional, though you'd never know it from the treatment I get at=20 work!) 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5781C.829105E2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 23 19:37:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3AD83C04D; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050623193754.15728.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Symetrix 606-just bought one To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050622034451.58923.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like an interesting unit. Can you write a review? I'm curious as to how it performs compared to something like the Line6 Echo Pro that doesn't do a good midi sync. --- Randy Leifer wrote: > Yep, got the one on Ebay. I paid too much, but I'd > been looking for one long time. (might?? affect > PrePal > average price a bit, so if you have one, your > welcome, > if you want one, sorry about that ;) . > ((I'm also looking for a Symetrix 528e > pre/processor...?)) > > I mainly got it for it's midi sync, so I hope that > aspect won't dissapoint me. I do spacey trance beat > driven stuff. > > If you have any tips or know of any qwerks, that are > not in the manual or the archives here, can you tell > me? > > =Randy Leifer= > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 00:11:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AC3F3BFCE; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:13:53 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Phasmatodea and Plumerai, Raleigh NC USA, Friday June 24 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Plumerai from Boston are on a short East Coast tour this week, and I and fellow Loop-D listmember Adrian Likins are opening for Plumerai's Raleigh NC show this Friday. We'll be playing as our dual Chapman Stick (/guitar/theremin) looping instrumental improvisational soundscapes group Phasmatodea. Thanks for your time. Our usual complement of looping gear includes an Akai Headrush (version 1), Boss RC-20 LoopStation, and 2 E-H 16sec delay (reissues). Sometimes a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Rarely an Electrix Repeater. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Phasmatodea will be opening for Plumerai this Friday, June 24 at Bickett Gallery in Raleigh, NC. ESST[1]: 9:00pm [1]Estimated Show Start Time: May vary widely. Rock And Rool Standard Time may or may not be in effect. Show up early and drink some wine. http://www.phasmatodea.net http://www.plumerai.com/ http://www.bickettgallery.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 00:14:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0F83BFB6; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: unsucribing Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:14:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcV4UTu/Oz3wcuuqRuuS1MTZoRjSGwAADncg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20050624001440.CDAF13BFA5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0ErM5.A.xDE.yB1uCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi I am thinking of unsicribing because the retrieval of all messages is quite heavy at the end of the day. If I do so, will I still be able to post, through the website, consulting messages in archives? -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: 24 June 2005 01:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Phasmatodea and Plumerai, Raleigh NC USA, Friday June 24 Plumerai from Boston are on a short East Coast tour this week, and I and fellow Loop-D listmember Adrian Likins are opening for Plumerai's Raleigh NC show this Friday. We'll be playing as our dual Chapman Stick (/guitar/theremin) looping instrumental improvisational soundscapes group Phasmatodea. Thanks for your time. Our usual complement of looping gear includes an Akai Headrush (version 1), Boss RC-20 LoopStation, and 2 E-H 16sec delay (reissues). Sometimes a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Rarely an Electrix Repeater. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Phasmatodea will be opening for Plumerai this Friday, June 24 at Bickett Gallery in Raleigh, NC. ESST[1]: 9:00pm [1]Estimated Show Start Time: May vary widely. Rock And Rool Standard Time may or may not be in effect. Show up early and drink some wine. http://www.phasmatodea.net http://www.plumerai.com/ http://www.bickettgallery.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 00:29:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ADFB3BFCB; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5fx7GLXEwP1D64YmFVRbRyIphQoQ7YXNEaeYsA10Q/Wll/HvixhUXn+MgD8gw6C0dWkrwObnHigy2kwv9Yv6uqcRb+BMr54r0kimLA8xc7PLV3weRq1GliYVr8XM/sJC+/pn4SxoeV0CXjs2yvn08VH64kK2jwkY5GuVrAXv1lI= ; Message-ID: <20050624002939.83981.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Everyday digest / Loop Videos / How to get file size down! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Kris - I'm surprised that Flash Video hasn't come up in this thread yet. If you know someone with Flash MX 2004 Professional (sorry, but that's not me), they should be able to take your video and compress it into a .FLV file (using Sorensen Squeeze or similiar compression). This is the best way I know of trimming that file size for the web. No specs, sorry. But do check it out. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 02:29:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F22BF3BFC7; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57864.8650A7A4" Subject: Postscript to Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:29:18 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111EE39@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Postscript to Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics thread-index: AcV4ZIW4Qe9gVHZERM66k3Yn8VBsuw== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2005 02:29:19.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[86880110:01C57864] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:29:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57864.8650A7A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My postscript to this thread and quoted response from the music review editor today: "Your ability to speak intelligently on music is evident, and I would love for you to do a show or CD review yourself..." Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm Music & Video Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm ************************************************************************ ************************************************ Sorry to vent and display my artistic insecurity and defensiveness with my fellow looping comrades,=20 but I just have to share this. I guess I'm feeling alone in a world of non-improvisational dominant music.=20 This is why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics more and more. I wrote this email tonight and=20 posted it on my website:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm=20 I'm starting to feel like Robert Fripp with my strung out and pedantic verbiage. Take this as you will,=20 but this guy pissed me off, and it will probably make me never submit a CD to a news paper ever again,=20 unless it has Britney Spears singing lead on it in the nude, with Paris Hilton on cello, and Pamela=20 Anderson on maracas (in cut-time). I probably over-reacted...oh well, such is the life of an obsessive-compulsive.=20 Kris=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57864.8650A7A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Postscript to Why I'm starting to loath news paper music = critics

My postscript to = this thread and quoted response from the music review editor = today:

"Your ability = to speak intelligently on music is evident, and I would love for you to = do a show or CD review yourself…"

Cheers,

Kris

**********************************************************= ******************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Gear setup: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
Featured, Sold, = or Downloadable on over 100 sites: http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm<= /A>
Music & Video = Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm
37 Free = downloadable songs in MP3 format: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm=
Music & Video = Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm

**********************************************************= **************************************************************

Sorry to vent and = display my artistic insecurity and defensiveness with my fellow looping = comrades,
but I just have = to share this. I guess I'm feeling alone in a world of = non-improvisational dominant music.
This is why I'm = starting to loath news paper music critics more and more. I wrote this = email tonight and
posted it on my = website:

http://www.boisemusicians.com/boiseweekly_review.htm =

I'm starting to = feel like Robert Fripp with my strung out and pedantic verbiage. Take = this as you will,
but this guy = pissed me off, and it will probably make me never submit a CD to a news = paper ever again,
unless it has = Britney Spears singing lead on it in the nude, with Paris Hilton on = cello, and Pamela
Anderson on = maracas (in cut-time). I probably over-reacted...oh well, such is the = life of an obsessive-compulsive.

Kris =

------_=_NextPart_001_01C57864.8650A7A4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 04:13:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0F43BFD4; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: inscribing Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:13:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050624001440.CDAF13BFA5@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Why don't you un-subscribe, then re-subscribe in digest form, that way the messages come bundled together. Or we could all stop waxing philosophic, and get back to talking about important things, like gear. Just kidding Bill -----Original Message----- From: mrweasel [mailto:mrweasel@eircom.net] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsucribing Hi I am thinking of unsicribing because the retrieval of all messages is quite heavy at the end of the day. If I do so, will I still be able to post, through the website, consulting messages in archives? -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: 24 June 2005 01:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Phasmatodea and Plumerai, Raleigh NC USA, Friday June 24 Plumerai from Boston are on a short East Coast tour this week, and I and fellow Loop-D listmember Adrian Likins are opening for Plumerai's Raleigh NC show this Friday. We'll be playing as our dual Chapman Stick (/guitar/theremin) looping instrumental improvisational soundscapes group Phasmatodea. Thanks for your time. Our usual complement of looping gear includes an Akai Headrush (version 1), Boss RC-20 LoopStation, and 2 E-H 16sec delay (reissues). Sometimes a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Rarely an Electrix Repeater. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Phasmatodea will be opening for Plumerai this Friday, June 24 at Bickett Gallery in Raleigh, NC. ESST[1]: 9:00pm [1]Estimated Show Start Time: May vary widely. Rock And Rool Standard Time may or may not be in effect. Show up early and drink some wine. http://www.phasmatodea.net http://www.plumerai.com/ http://www.bickettgallery.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 05:50:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D7D93BFB5; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 05:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050623224528.0859a5f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:50:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: unsucribing In-Reply-To: <20050624001440.CDAF13BFA5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050624001440.CDAF13BFA5@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 05:50:17 +0000 (UTC) At 05:14 PM 6/23/2005, mrweasel wrote: >I am thinking of unsicribing because the retrieval of all messages is quite >heavy at the end of the day. >If I do so, will I still be able to post, through the website, consulting >messages in archives? Nope. We value commitment around here. (Many have been committed already). You can subscribe to the digest version as Bill suggests. http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 12:46:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE363BF7A; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP Message-ID: <1119617174.42bc00962f18c@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:46:14 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D08@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01088D08@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 81.64.245.137 Resent-Message-ID: <8CV1AB.A.WY.YCAvCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Wow! great page Kris!! very good info. Andy Mensaje citado por: "Hartung, Kris" : > No kidding? I should have known someone would have done something > similar. Bravo! I'd love to hear the recording. > > G Lydian....nice. I've always liked that mode. It is the compliment to > one of my favorite chords to use in jazz and abstract music, the Maj7b5 > (or Maj7#4), which incidentally in most versions of jazz theory is the > fourth mode chord (by function) in the scale of chords, using the major > scales as the foundation. > > I - C Maj7 > ii - D Min7 > iii - E Min7b9 > IV - Fmaj#4 > V - G7 > > ....and so on. Most people play a Fmaj7 as the IV chord, but > technically > it should have the #4/b5, otherwise you have a minor second interval > conflict between the mode and chord. > > Now what I really find intriguing is jazz melodic minor theory. Just > take the conventional system above, but use them melodic minor (not the > classical version, that descends differently), as the first mode, and > so > on. Very odd and counter-intuitive at first. My friend, Mark Levine, > who > wrote the Jazz Theory Book and Jazz Piano Book has a whole section on > melodic minor harmony, which I think is brilliant. > > Incidentally, if you don't feel comfortable playing the maj7#4 chord, > you can use it anytime you need to play a Dominant 13th, just play the > maj7#4 a whole step below where you would ordinarily play the Dominant > 13th. For instance, an Fmaj7#4 can be played as a rootless substitute > of the G13. Fmaj7#4 contains the b7, 3, 6, and 9 intervals of G13 (the > 6th interval here can be regarded as a substitute of the 13th). You > don' need the root if you have a bass player tagging it for you. And > the > 9 makes it complete, otherwise without it, it would be a G7/13. > > Guitarists see #3 here: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/chords/ for how I play > the chord. It's not at all difficult to finger and feels very natural. > > Speaking of Zappa, he liked to play the Lydian mode a lot. You can hear > it on many of his recordings where he is playing guitar. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP > > I actually have a piece that I'd conceived of prior to getting my EDP > 6 years ago that does exactly that. It's called "Gradus." I start off > with a single-measure loop and then build a mensural rosalia with > successive passes of multiply with duration ratios of 2:1, 3:1, 5:1, > 7:1, 11:1, and 13:1. After building the massive rosalia, I turn down > the > feedback and improvise over G lydian for the 2nd 'movement' which > eventually fades out. > > I did come up with two separate scores for the piece. One is an > 'artistic' score in the vein of George Crumb's beautiful scores where > the staff spirals out from the center. I also have a performance score > which implements the beginnings of a notational system for the EDP > footpedal. (The notation system could easily be adapted to any > footpedal > configuration.) > > It's funny, though, I conceived of the piece back in 1993, before I'd > ever heard of looping, but never quite figured out what to do with it > until I got the EDP 5 years later. I wrote the piece in my first > session > with my brand new EDP. > > I've got a recording of a performance from the 2003 Iowa Composers > Forum > Festival that I can post sometime this week. It'll give me an excuse to > finally clean up that recording (the original recording was made on an > ADAT set to 48k and was not resampled when transferred to CD, so the > piece is slower and in the wrong key). > > Cheers, > > Jon Southwood > > > > On 6/20/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > > > > Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject > > heading > > "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one more > > time, I'm going to throw up...I feel as if I've created a not-so-Tiny > Monster Ex Nihilo! > > :) > > > > I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise, > > Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take > credit > > > for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not > > sure if anyone has discussed it here before either. So here it is... > > > > How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on > > the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are > > divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay > > down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure > > harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit > > Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 > > > measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, > > and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures > > adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have > > to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. > > > > Has it been done? Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want > to > > > do it? Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out, > perhaps.... > > > > Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done? > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > ****************** > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > Mojam Performance Calendar: > > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Har > > tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm > > Music & Video Catalogue: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm > > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: > > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > > Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 13:01:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B88B3BFAA; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1119618106!19225899!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A1D5@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT- Loop Videos / How to get file size down! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:03:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C578BD.172C2BD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:01:51 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C578BD.172C2BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I can see and edit both audio and video separately with these large .mpg files that I rip from DVD. You were saying that you don't get this with mpeg, correct? << mpg & mpeg are the same thing. mpg is one of the file extensions used by mpeg files. just like jpg & jpeg, in fact. joint picture experts group & motion picture experts group, from whence we get these acronyms, were cross-industry bodies established to define (by a combination of committee & consensus) a series of standards for exchange of media. the jpeg one was reasonably straightforward, though we've still ended up with a few different flavours. mpeg is another matter. it evolved from m-jpeg (motion jpeg) & differs from it crucially in that motion interpolation is performed to further reduce file size. thus, if there isn't much difference between one frame & the next (i.e. not much movement), only the differences need be encoded. all this "council" could do meaningfully, given that requirements vary from mobile/broadband right through to digital cinema, was establish a set of fairly rigid guidelines for each version of mpeg, defining how the files were to be constructed, what media elements each could include & so forth. bitrates are left to the user. mpeg-1 was the first stab at it, & layer-3 of mpeg-1 is the bit that carries the audio. nowadays this is known as mp3. mpeg-2 was a significant improvement, introducing b & p frames (so that the interpolation amongst frames is bidirectional; the frames have to be sent to the decoder in the wrong order for this to work, which is why mpeg-2 as used for live television broadcasts has so much latency). mpeg-2 is also used for dvd. does anyone know the difference between m-jpeg & i-frame-only-mpeg-2? :-) there isn't an mpeg-3 because of the widespread misuse of the abbreviation mp3 to refer to the layer 3 (audio) component of mpeg-1. mpeg-4 is the latest flavour in serious use, exploiting better compression algorithms that have come along recently, though it has yet to be demonstrated as useful to high-end users. wm9 rivals it & looks the likelier of the two to be adopted for broadcast. there are other flavours of mpeg too- 7, 21.... some of these are designed to use media that's already stored in the decoder- bitmaps, fractals & so on- to reconstruct sound & images using a set of instructions that's sent in place of much of the raw data. google away. ok. enough. back to looping. duncan/r.m.i. & mtv. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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 >> I can see and edit both audio and video se= parately with these large .mpg files that I rip from DVD. You were saying t= hat you don't get this with mpeg, correct?  <<

mpg & mpeg are the same thing. mpg is one of the file= extensions used by mpeg files.

just like jpg & jpeg, in fact.
joint picture experts group & motion picture experts= group, from whence we get these acronyms, were cross-industry bodies estab= lished to define (by a combination of committee & consensus) a series o= f standards for exchange of media. the jpeg one was reasonably straightforw= ard, though we've still ended up with a few different flavours.

mpeg is another matter. it evolved from m-jpeg (motion jp= eg) & differs from it crucially in that motion interpolation is perform= ed to further reduce file size. thus, if there isn't much difference betwee= n one frame & the next (i.e. not much movement), only the differences n= eed be encoded.

all this "council" could do meaningfully, given= that requirements vary from mobile/broadband right through to digital cine= ma, was establish a set of fairly rigid guidelines for each version of mpeg= , defining how the files were to be constructed, what media elements each c= ould include & so forth. bitrates are left to the user.

mpeg-1 was the first stab at it, & layer-3 of mpeg-1 = is the bit that carries the audio. nowadays this is known as mp3.

mpeg-2  was a significant improvement, introducing b= & p frames (so that the interpolation amongst frames is bidirectional;= the frames have to be sent to the decoder in the wrong order for this to w= ork, which is why mpeg-2 as used for live television broadcasts has so much= latency). mpeg-2 is also used for dvd.

does anyone know the difference between m-jpeg & i-fr= ame-only-mpeg-2? :-)

there isn't an mpeg-3 because of the widespread misuse of= the abbreviation mp3 to refer to the layer 3 (audio) component of mpeg-1.<= /FONT>

mpeg-4 is the latest flavour in serious use, exploiting b= etter compression algorithms that have come along recently, though it has y= et to be demonstrated as useful to high-end users.

wm9 rivals it & looks the likelier of the two to be a= dopted for broadcast.

there are other flavours of mpeg too- 7, 21.... some of t= hese are designed to use media that's already stored in the decoder- bitmap= s, fractals & so on- to reconstruct sound & images using a set of i= nstructions that's sent in place of much of the raw data. google away.

ok. enough. back to looping.

duncan/r.m.i. & mtv.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C578BD.172C2BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 13:24:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4361E3BFAE; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: don@donmak.com From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Digitech Jamman - Pictures of actual device online Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:23:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVx86wz7P0wLSABTnGVC5+VO5uhFAGytsogAABY51A= In-Reply-To: <1119619302.15574@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Message-ID: <1119619799.4041@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Zzounds has the first picture I have seen of the new JamMan pedals from Digitech. They artists conception pics from before were blue - but it looks like they are actually red. (not that color affects performance ..heheheh) Seems like simple controls for live playing ... anyone got one yet? http://url123.com/2cwvv -DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 18:05:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE65B3BFA2; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:05:46 +0100 Subject: Re: unsubscribing From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050624130151.E9C1C3BFBA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:05:50 +0000 (UTC) You have to be subscribed to post. It's so quick to re-subscribe, post and then unsubscribe again, I do it that way. You could try the digest of course. Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk From: mrweasel Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:14:36 +0100 To: Subject: unsucribing Hi I am thinking of unsicribing because the retrieval of all messages is quite heavy at the end of the day. If I do so, will I still be able to post, through the website, consulting messages in archives? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 18:11:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F8C3BFB6; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050624181123.32481.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - Pictures of actual device online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1119619799.4041@mx254a.mysite4now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Except on www.digitech.com it's blue... http://www.digitech.com/products/JamMan/JamMan.htm --- Don Makoviney wrote: > Zzounds has the first picture I have seen of the new > JamMan pedals from > Digitech. They artists conception pics from before > were blue - but it looks > like they are actually red. (not that color affects > performance ..heheheh) > > Seems like simple controls for live playing ... > anyone got one yet? > > http://url123.com/2cwvv > > > -DM > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 18:45:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4BF13BFAB; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT- Loop Videos / How to get file size down! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:45:35 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111EF2A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT- Loop Videos / How to get file size down! Thread-index: AcV4vOlM1srJ2A69Tc2BlGRtxJPi3QABd4dA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2005 18:45:37.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9375620:01C578EC] Resent-Message-ID: <2gngbC.A.ekE.STFvCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I've learned a lot from this thread. I discovered yesterday that the mpg files that I ripped from my looping DVD were of this nature: =20 > File type: .mpg (MPEG-2) > Data rate: 1666 KB/Sec > Frame Rate: 29.97 fps > Video size: 720 X 480 So, I guess it was better that I went to MPEG-2 and not MPEG-4. I don't think my program had the MPEG-4 option, but the MPEG-2 seem to look fine, even when I burn back to DVD. In fact, this is what I did for my promo DVD. So is .avi even better than all of these because it is not compressed? I noticed my USB enabled microscope and software program converts my microbiological videos to .avi,and they are huge! If figured they might be the video version of a .wav file, the raw deal. Incidentally, I was experimenting with the trial-ware for Sorensen, than realized that I had Adobe Premier 6.0...I forgot....whoops. It has a cool Real Audio integration function called Cleaner, and a great wizard for exporting my MPEG-2 files as Real Audio, but Primier also allows me to export to windows media and Quick-Time as well, and I think a few other formats. So far, so good...keeping the quality I wanted and the file size down. =20 The only downfall is the the Primier rendering time is horendous! I could have lunch and take a nap in between each file converstion. Cheers, Kris ________________________________ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]=20 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT- Loop Videos / How to get file size down! >> I can see and edit both audio and video separately with these large .mpg files that I rip from DVD. You were saying that you don't get this with mpeg, correct? << mpg & mpeg are the same thing. mpg is one of the file extensions used by mpeg files.=20 just like jpg & jpeg, in fact.=20 joint picture experts group & motion picture experts group, from whence we get these acronyms, were cross-industry bodies established to define (by a combination of committee & consensus) a series of standards for exchange of media. the jpeg one was reasonably straightforward, though we've still ended up with a few different flavours.=20 mpeg is another matter. it evolved from m-jpeg (motion jpeg) & differs from it crucially in that motion interpolation is performed to further reduce file size. thus, if there isn't much difference between one frame & the next (i.e. not much movement), only the differences need be encoded.=20 all this "council" could do meaningfully, given that requirements vary from mobile/broadband right through to digital cinema, was establish a set of fairly rigid guidelines for each version of mpeg, defining how the files were to be constructed, what media elements each could include & so forth. bitrates are left to the user. mpeg-1 was the first stab at it, & layer-3 of mpeg-1 is the bit that carries the audio. nowadays this is known as mp3.=20 mpeg-2 was a significant improvement, introducing b & p frames (so that the interpolation amongst frames is bidirectional; the frames have to be sent to the decoder in the wrong order for this to work, which is why mpeg-2 as used for live television broadcasts has so much latency). mpeg-2 is also used for dvd. does anyone know the difference between m-jpeg & i-frame-only-mpeg-2? :-)=20 there isn't an mpeg-3 because of the widespread misuse of the abbreviation mp3 to refer to the layer 3 (audio) component of mpeg-1. mpeg-4 is the latest flavour in serious use, exploiting better compression algorithms that have come along recently, though it has yet to be demonstrated as useful to high-end users.=20 wm9 rivals it & looks the likelier of the two to be adopted for broadcast.=20 there are other flavours of mpeg too- 7, 21.... some of these are designed to use media that's already stored in the decoder- bitmaps, fractals & so on- to reconstruct sound & images using a set of instructions that's sent in place of much of the raw data. google away. ok. enough. back to looping.=20 duncan/r.m.i. & mtv.=20 ************************************************************************ *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe ************************************************************************ *** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 19:09:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4288B3BFB2; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: No feedback control? (was RE: Digitech Jamman color) Also SamKlavier Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:09:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050624181123.32481.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-index: AcV46CPmXAjxTTqhQqyxXgg42/7ejQAB1BxQ Message-Id: <20050624190928.PSTU8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <6aX84B.A.YEF.upFvCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:09:34 +0000 (UTC) But no feedback control? BTW, is there a write protection function on the RC-20? I don't seem to be able to erase some loops (they are the factory demos). Also my DL4 no longer functions with batteries--is this a common problem? That DD-20 is looking better and better . . . And finally for those of you who appreciate wild talent, here is an URL for Samchillian's latest achievement-- http://samchillian.com/samklavier.html Gary -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - Pictures of actual device online Except on www.digitech.com it's blue... http://www.digitech.com/products/JamMan/JamMan.htm --- Don Makoviney wrote: > Zzounds has the first picture I have seen of the new > JamMan pedals from > Digitech. They artists conception pics from before > were blue - but it looks > like they are actually red. (not that color affects > performance ..heheheh) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 24 22:21:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69A8E3BF9C; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Fun with time signatures Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:21:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050616234419.4625.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey Loopoids Here is a cool trick I happened upon that works for any loop device that can toggle between normal and half speed recording while in record mode. I do it on the DL4, but I believe the EDP and The Rang can achieve these results. I have been able to get predictable results of 3/4, 7/8,9/8,10/8, and 11/8, by toggling the record speed while looping 8th note figures on my guitar. I may have mentioned this trick before, but since then I've figured out some more formulas. To take you through this technique, start by playing a simple straight 8th note figure on your weapon of choice. Hit record, and every two beats switch record speeds, until you complete your loop, making sure that there are equal numbers of half speed and normal speed beats. the loop you wind up with will have a 3/4 rhythm (or 6/8 depending on tempo), with a cool octave switch (courtesy of the record speed toggling). Rather than go in to a long winded explanation about why that is I'll give you the formulas I've come up with so far: On the left is the pattern of beats I play as I switch record speeds. Example: to get 9/8, I toggle every 3 beats, 7/8 I alternate 3 8th notes and 2 8th notes, etc... In the middle is the speed I start recording in, H stands for half speed and N stands for normal speed. At right is the resulting time signature. PATTERN SPEED TIME 2-2 H/N 3/4 3-3 H/N 9/8 3-2 H 7/8 2-3 N 4/4 2-3 N 7/8 2-3 H 4/4 3-4 H 11/8 3-4 N 10/8 4-3 H 10/8 4-3 N 11/8 I hope this made sense, there will be some examples of this technique on my upcoming Cd, until then, you'll just have to try it to hear it. Enjoy Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 25 10:51:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EBD23BFCB; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050625111456.02b283e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:46:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: RE: triggering loops with a drum machine Crediting In-Reply-To: <20050624130151.E9C1C3BFBA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050624130151.E9C1C3BFBA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:51:01 +0000 (UTC) hi folks, I kind of missed the EDP 8th Quantise SUB drum machine trigger thread, ...but here's some more info. to add to the general incomprehensibility. Andre LaFosse at one time had a drum machine which he configured as a MIDI controller for his EDP, and I remember reading that at one gig he set up a number of loops, and then ran a "drum program" to rapidly change between loops. I always thought that the drum machine was not used for it's sounds in this case. The technique that Bernhard Wagner (and a number of others) uses to create a fast "sequence" of evenly spaced notes was invented by me during the Beta testing of the Loop4 software for the EDP. The first ever available recording which features his technique is:- www.andybutler.com/mp3/backwater.mp3 Andre's ability to take an abstract loop, and turn it into a rhythmic loop is not dependant on the 8th quantise feature, though he certainly used it for this on occasion. Andre was very taken with 8th Quantise, and said that his music was greatly influenced by it, but he wasn't so keen on the idea of creating streams of regular 8th notes. He posted here describing the use of 8th Quantise, and advised "make sure you do some longer presses of Sub" so that the rhythm would be varied. From what Andre has said since, it seems he doesn't use Quantise so much now, preferring to rely on his own rhythmic accuracy to create a similar result. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 25 19:26:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4B9C3BF4E; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050625111456.02b283e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20050624130151.E9C1C3BFBA@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050625111456.02b283e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E6878C3-511F-4653-9E2A-741B7EF8E997@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: triggering loops with a drum machine Crediting Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:26:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <8x2qdC.A.blE.__avCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:26:55 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:46, a k butler wrote: > Andre LaFosse at one time had a drum machine which he configured as > a MIDI controller for his EDP, and I remember reading that at one > gig he set up a number of loops, and then ran a "drum program" to > rapidly change between loops. That's a cool trick! Only recently I tried to set that up with the EDP loops trigged from Ableton Live scenes on my laptop. I postponed the project though, because I found out that mixing software loops and EDP in parallel would require the use of a analog multi channel mixer to stay free from latency problems. (My vision was to use 9 EDP loops, each one corresponding to a Live scene containing data to transform pitch of two or three software loops. So let's say I go from scene one (= tonika) to scene 5 (dubdominant) the EDP would follow by going from Loop 1 to Loop 5 (or however you set it up). Because the limited foot buttons on the FCB1010 I decided to go with nine pitch options. Depending on which of the buttons (pitch) you use as the key tonal center you can in praxis improvise with many different chord changes, keys and scales. The pitch buttons are relative, key and scale is only a function of the audio you play into the loops and, given the pitch button used as the tonal center.) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 25 20:38:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D433F3BF72; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2pwoNsJ4ro33OoEbAmhIJVa8NxDNWoxZYVNQAAQmQLtsHbgZcHix9nqDSZKGdf2ZR18WKIM1EEQj4Z0uF0aU3omm263LjsLYlswWwIrMoR7yynmVi066S+RXjxpkgcnIbITNZJ7TjQB3QO/h1MaZ4i0UqtYqyU79kEMH0+6vhZg= ; Message-ID: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Corbett Subject: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Included different versions, reissues, etc. Doesn't matter if they are no longer in production or not. I'll start. Boomerang Boomerang Version 2.0 Line 6 DL-4 Keep adding all the ones you know! John ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 25 20:41:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C9B43BF76; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made In-Reply-To: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:41:55 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, John Corbett wrote: > Included different versions, reissues, etc. Doesn't > matter if they are no longer in production or not. > I'll start. > > Boomerang > Boomerang Version 2.0 > Line 6 DL-4 > > Keep adding all the ones you know! http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html :) Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 02:42:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A203BF73; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050626024242.25388.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-LXWNC.A.3M.kYhvCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:42:44 +0000 (UTC) > Boomerang > Boomerang Version 2.0 > Line 6 DL-4 Line6 Dela Pro Repeater Repeater MK2 Echolpex Echoplex Digital Pro Digitech RDS8000 Lexicon Jamman DIgitech Giga Delay DIgitech Loop Station --- John Corbett wrote: > Included different versions, reissues, etc. Doesn't > matter if they are no longer in production or not. > I'll start. > > > Keep adding all the ones you know! > > John > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 02:58:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD5283BF76; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:58:30 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111EFFE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Thread-index: AcV5+MCYeKqw2yEETGG0OM2wzpx69AAAKmsA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2005 02:58:31.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF719370:01C579FA] Resent-Message-ID: <4aI8mB.A.Qe.bnhvCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Where's da Boss, man? :) see below do tape analog dinosaurs count? What about software like mobius, augustus, etc -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made > Boomerang > Boomerang Version 2.0 > Line 6 DL-4 Line6 Dela Pro Repeater Repeater MK2 Echoplex Echoplex Digital Pro Digitech RDS8000 Lexicon Jamman DIgitech Giga Delay DIgitech Loop Station Boss RC-20 Loop Station Boss RC-20XL Loop Station =20 --- John Corbett wrote: > Included different versions, reissues, etc. Doesn't matter if they=20 > are no longer in production or not. > I'll start. >=20 >=20 > Keep adding all the ones you know! >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > =09 > ____________________________________________________ >=20 > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >=20 > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 18:56:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8F3F3BF92; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050626185647.1289.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111EFFE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Woops, mixed digitech with boss. --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > Where's da Boss, man? :) see below do tape analog > dinosaurs count? > What about software like mobius, augustus, etc > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever > Made > > > Boomerang > > Boomerang Version 2.0 > > Line 6 DL-4 > Line6 Dela Pro > Repeater > Repeater MK2 > Echoplex > Echoplex Digital Pro > Digitech RDS8000 > Lexicon Jamman > Boss Giga Delay DD-20 > Boss RC-20 Loop Station > Boss RC-20XL Loop Station > > > > --- John Corbett wrote: > > > Included different versions, reissues, etc. > Doesn't matter if they > > are no longer in production or not. > > I'll start. > > > > > > Keep adding all the ones you know! > > > > John > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Yahoo! 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Sign up for Fantasy > Football > > > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 18:57:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C973BFA0; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Sto-Bo-Ke-Do Quartet + Rob Piilonen with Todd Pearson Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:00:49 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c57a81$5dffeb30$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:57:26 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday June 28th - Rob Piilonen with Todd Pearson and Nick Storring with Rose Bolton, Michael Dobinson & Michael Keith Turntablism meets ambient jams as DJ Syklik (Todd Pearson) brings three=20 turntables and Rob Piilonen brings his extended flute techniques, loops and digital effects to THE AMBiENT PiNG. Expect an innovative mix of classic and new records and improvisation to create something much = larger than the sum of its parts. Two members of the Canadian Electronic Ensemble, Rose Bolton (violin, electronics, objects), Michael Dobinson (objects, electronics, computer) pair up with improvisers Michael Keith (guitar) and Kitchener native Nick Storring (cello/computer) to perform a set of ethereal = improvisations. Each musician, in their own unique way, coaxes a variety of textures and atmospheres from their sound sources, creating a slowly shifting and elusive whole. Nick Storring: http://www.nickstorring.com Rose Bolton: http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/rosienobars.htm Michael Dobinson: http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/mikeynobars.htm Michael Keith: = http://p3.hostingprod.com/@alexiteric.com/michaelkeith.html Between Sets CD - "A Troubled Resting Place" by Robert Rich Well respected ambient master Robert Rich injured his right hand "quite badly in an accident with glass" on March 11, 2005. He has been keeping an online journal at http://www.robertrich.com/rrhandblog.html tracking the difficult process of his recovery. We at the PiNG send out best = wishes and will be featuring his appropriately-titled "A Troubled Resting = Place" collection of dark ambience between sets. http://www.robertrich.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 5th - Oldine and Aidan Baker http://www.lecridelaharpe.com/oldine http://www.aidanbaker.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On Tuesday, June 21st, The Ministry of Inside Things (electronic musician Chuck van Zyl and electric guitarist Art Cohen) ascended from Philly resplendent in white -- white tuxedos and top hats, that is. They started things off with an uptempo piece that evolved into moodier terrain deep into the first set. The second set was incredible: = beautiful, emotional, resonant. General Chaos Visuals added to the dynamic = performance, once again out-doing themselves with the complex textures and rich = colours they've been developing since the New Year. After the show, Chuck van Zyl explained how playing live is crucial to the evolution of The Ministry of Inside Things' music: "We come up with an idea, take it to the stage and then go deeper through playing." He emphasized that, "We couldn't achieve the same thing in the studio. Playing in front of an audience brings it into focus, into sharp = relief." Kudos to THE AMBiENT PiNG organizers for keeping things going during the = lean times: shows like this only underscore how important the weekly=20 concerts are to the ambient/experimental/improvisational scene in = Toronto and to travelling artists from around the globe. Look for a profile of The Ministry in the 1st issue of i POP PiNG = magazine, coming this September. And, please, keep those submissions coming. E-mail queries to luna@theambientping.com More info on MoIT at: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~chuckv/pr2.html Luna Tec - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "On Water" by Ben Cox is a lovely recording filled with fluid drones and vivid imagery. Sparse and darkly beautiful in its use of sound, Cox has created a work that envelopes the listener in a liquid embrace. A wonderful example of the expressiveness of dark ambience, and a fine example of the emotionality of drones. "Anhinga" opens the disc with a beautiful blend of simple guitar and piano notes played overtop a droning background. "Merganser" follows, a dark ambient drone coupled with distorted guitar and minimal vocals weaving throughout to create a stunning piece. "Willet" returns the disc to brighter territories, a synthesis of piano and field recordings matched with high bell tones. There's a sense of hope and renewal to this track, discovery & possibility despite the threat of oncoming rain. And really, who can't use a little more hope? Track four, "Gannet", is a spiralling piece that gives a sense of movement and fluidity around a centre or fixed point, growing as time passes, gaining clarity & form as the piece progresses. Very powerful & very beautiful. The fifth piece = on the disc, "Grebe", continues along the brighter path of ambience, with small arpegios and bright flourishes interspersed throughout a steady drone. "Plover" follows, a series of pads mingling and entwining with an ebbing and flowing pulse. Trumpet swells throughout adding an organic quality to the track, the feeling of a living organism. "Pray for Rain" closes the disc, light hand percussion playing throughout the piece overtop slight synth patterns. A stirring, fluid track to close the disc. Wonderful. Without doubt, "On Water" is an impressive collection of drone-based work, a series of pieces that cover a wide range of emotions and environments. Highly recommended for the obvious fans of drones and dark ambience, and for those who enjoy the creation of new and distinct environments. Beautiful work. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 20:16:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E861D3BFA6; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zl6zRU4b6O0KZDIa7hR5fPzPflSPBCfgZJ256wNh8hCgEYs4QNU2gJLXwp8nzfpjNzpv+FNv2RiLgJ7TPEchFS5rni6ovgK+KKteJesCoEXlM4q5E1wU2XEdd5oWKybk+dvTN2DrA6uyP2hnrnq657xpXI7Q5Vd0uYjihDS1GR0= ; Message-ID: <20050626201603.53571.qmail@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050626185647.1289.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:16:05 +0000 (UTC) > > --- John Corbett wrote: > > > Included different versions, reissues, etc. > > Doesn't matter if they > > > are no longer in production or not. > > > I'll start. > > > > > > Keep adding all the ones you know! What's difficult about trying to list every looper ever made is that while the roster of dedicated hardware loopers would be a fairly managable number, many people loop with devices that aren't specifically loopers. My rig includes an Akai Headrush (the old one), an RC-20 (also the old one), a DL-4 and an EchoPro. However, I sometimes loop with digital delays (rack and/or pedals) that aren't dedicated loopers, like the Korg SDD-1000, the Digitech DigiDelay or the DFX94, or with minidisc decks, with analog tape or with software. -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 20:19:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7828B3BFB5; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:19:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcV5+MCYeKqw2yEETGG0OM2wzpx69AAAKmsAACSxmdA= In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111EFFE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050626201939.17DEF3BFA0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:19:40 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure of the qualifications to be on the list, but I've added the ReJam ... Boomerang Boomerang Version 2.0 Line 6 DL-4 Line6 Dela Pro Repeater Repeater MK2 Echoplex Echoplex Digital Pro Digitech RDS8000 Lexicon Jamman DIgitech Giga Delay DIgitech Loop Station Boss RC-20 Loop Station Boss RC-20XL Loop Station Lexicon ReJam (JamMan/Reflex hybrid) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 20:34:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E41723BFBF; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dvLqT41oFj30CYkB7syIpU67+LfXwu0XxgJsimgtNEPEvDdC4ph7EbK9t6AIjHJ3GL6HJt1U+mG2KVpwhxj/qQUGiupCEQ7ho5SvIb7qU9jlHhW/IWlasr9qaGu6CSPnb4keqNF0ywjTH45gJ47GLg1rSPwYTw20FhfqVRV0WyE= ; Message-ID: <20050626203437.47086.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestral instruments SIMULATING mellotron To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050626201603.53571.qmail@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:34:38 +0000 (UTC) We've discussed in many, many threads in the past the way the appearance of new technology often seems a threat to players of existing instruments. (Synths, samplers, mellotrons, etc.) Here's something I've been enjoying lately: I've been using a hybrid recording setup that includes both digital formats (hard drive, flash and minidisc) AND my old analog eight track. I find that when layering loops of things like flute, cello and voice on analog tape, I'm really enjoying the way the analog signal loss/degradation/noise starts to make the "real deal" instruments sound very mellotronish, especially when juxtaposed with the crisper sound of the direct-to-digital instruments. I know Rick Walker has mentioned building an acoustic drumkit which simulates the timbres of electronica. Is anyone else out there being intentionally anachronistic with their equipment, either using new tech to simulate the sound of old stuff or getting modern tones out of vintage gear? -t- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 21:52:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6355B3BF9F; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uTZGDK8JGLAol6wZFUoS3NeT4rkxhVt25bOAX+wt2/yEY0xqho24BIHn08Gm3jtx8QV/Usl3x2l8Xzhywl4xr0ccfSL5ynu/dPSGvwDMTzzTbxVTgY2/V/MB2xQquZMhA6y/QstrVtmJvOE+PVSdSbe1+VW1Un4H6BtM7PDzLD4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:52:10 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made In-Reply-To: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Didn't somebody on this list a year or so ago make some type of databse that had various loop equipment available with some type of percentage of users? I can't find it in the archives. Anybody out there know what I am talking about :) On 6/25/05, John Corbett wrote: > Included different versions, reissues, etc. Doesn't > matter if they are no longer in production or not. > I'll start. >=20 > Boomerang > Boomerang Version 2.0 > Line 6 DL-4 >=20 > Keep adding all the ones you know! >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 22:02:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 015E73BF9F; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42BF25CD.4010203@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:01:49 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made References: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:01:59 +0000 (UTC) That was me. It's available in PDF format at the Looper's Delight file libary. http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ (in the Tools & Utilities section) Dig Joey wrote: >Didn't somebody on this list a year or so ago make some type of >databse that had various loop equipment available with some type of >percentage of users? I can't find it in the archives. Anybody out >there know what I am talking about :) > >On 6/25/05, John Corbett wrote: > > >>Included different versions, reissues, etc. Doesn't >>matter if they are no longer in production or not. >>I'll start. >> >>Boomerang >>Boomerang Version 2.0 >>Line 6 DL-4 >> >>Keep adding all the ones you know! >> >>John >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________ >>Yahoo! Sports >>Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >>http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 22:17:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9A13BF9F; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42BF297F.2030807@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:17:35 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made References: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <42BF25CD.4010203@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <42BF25CD.4010203@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:17:36 +0000 (UTC) A couple of comments: - ironically, in the spirit of Rick Walker's recent thread on "full disclosure", Rick was the guy who posted this question to the list in November 2003. I just began keeping track, and then volunteered my work to the list. We went for about a week as I recall. Here's a summary of the November 2003 data: 94 people responded 65 unique devices were listed 310 total devices were reported = 3.3 devices per person The top 7 devices, ranked by % of owners listing that device, are: 1) Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro = 52% (49 owners, 68 devices) 2) Electrix Repeater = 32% (34 owners, 36 devices) 3) Line6 DL-4 Delay Modeler = 30% (38 owners, 33 devices) 4) Lexicon Jamman = 17% (16 owners, 19 devices) 5) Kaoss Pad I or II = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) 6) Ableton Live = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) 7) Boomerang/Boomerang + = 11% (10 owners, 10 devices) - I haven't looked at that in a while. It might be interesting to do it again... but I'd want to plan out a solid format and data capture strategy real quick, so please don't start posting just yet! :) - I've become a much better player AND looper by using looping within a band context. (gratuitous introspective comment) Doug Cox wrote: > That was me. > > It's available in PDF format at the Looper's Delight file libary. > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > (in the Tools & Utilities section) > > Dig > > Joey wrote: > >> Didn't somebody on this list a year or so ago make some type of >> databse that had various loop equipment available with some type of >> percentage of users? I can't find it in the archives. Anybody out >> there know what I am talking about :) >> >> On 6/25/05, John Corbett wrote: >> >> >>> Included different versions, reissues, etc. Doesn't >>> matter if they are no longer in production or not. >>> I'll start. >>> >>> Boomerang >>> Boomerang Version 2.0 >>> Line 6 DL-4 >>> >>> Keep adding all the ones you know! >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________ >>> Yahoo! Sports >>> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >>> http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 26 23:59:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788B73BF96; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestral instruments SIMULATING mellotron Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050626203437.47086.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Well Tim, I'm not sure if this counts or not, my entire arsenal of synths consists of the sound engine on my Roland GR30 guitar synth! Half the time I don't use it as a sound source but as a midi note controller, and arpeggiator for my RPTR. When I do use the internal GR30 sounds I make heavy use of the units onboard dsp and envelope follower features to further disguise the crappy sound engine, as well as liberal amounts of other signal processing and plug ins. As far as guitar sounds, lately I've been recording with a mixture of vintage tube amp, and a vox tonelabSE. The vox has gotten me back in to modeling as it sounds incredible and feels incredible, though I still like to have a tube amp in the mix for more dimension. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestral instruments SIMULATING mellotron We've discussed in many, many threads in the past the way the appearance of new technology often seems a threat to players of existing instruments. (Synths, samplers, mellotrons, etc.) Here's something I've been enjoying lately: I've been using a hybrid recording setup that includes both digital formats (hard drive, flash and minidisc) AND my old analog eight track. I find that when layering loops of things like flute, cello and voice on analog tape, I'm really enjoying the way the analog signal loss/degradation/noise starts to make the "real deal" instruments sound very mellotronish, especially when juxtaposed with the crisper sound of the direct-to-digital instruments. I know Rick Walker has mentioned building an acoustic drumkit which simulates the timbres of electronica. Is anyone else out there being intentionally anachronistic with their equipment, either using new tech to simulate the sound of old stuff or getting modern tones out of vintage gear? -t- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 00:21:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1B53BF9F; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Zurich Loop Fest Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:21:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050626203437.47086.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Dear European Loopers, Both Michael "Scoots" Klobuchar and I are formulating plans for our trip to the Zurich Lop Festival in late August, and since we both will be Europe for a little over a week after the festival ends, we are looking for other possible playing engagements, places to visit, and hopefully someone to offer us lodging while we are there. Michael flies out of Zurich on sept 7th and I fly out on the 6th, which doesn't give us much time, but we were hoping to perhaps fit in another City or Country or two. We are both clean, well behaved adults who are surprisingly civilized for being Americans (LOL/COL)! As of this writing, we have an apartment in Munich that has been offered to us by a friend of my fathers, and I have tentative plans to be in London the weekend of the sept 3-4, but we are weighing other possibilities as well. Please excuse the intrusion on to the list with this announcement, and please respond to me off list. Thanks Bill Walker billwalker@baymoon.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 03:06:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E22F33BF9B; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UIVc10wBU8+cj9ML1/CgRG5q+Pq4HSamftzVlsFKdVF0TpdgtIYjKW5ZBa8bRuAG+E/yudHCW/mb4gGZBePdQWO8CTG1UbNWOLDCRoTBtqRd01c1tbBAw/mhrTcBFdWFFfOvNMYBSjAq8+8hHNi8byEroaRFA9r/m1dy5HvQAvw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:06:51 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment In-Reply-To: <42BF297F.2030807@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050625203829.88769.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <42BF25CD.4010203@pdq.net> <42BF297F.2030807@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:06:52 +0000 (UTC) On 6/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: >=20 > - I've become a much better player AND looper by using looping within a > band context. (gratuitous introspective comment) >=20 >=20 Same here. I am not sure what type of band context you are referring to but I have found that looping within a conventional band type structure has made my looping more tasteful. Sort of when I figured out that holding one note longer than playing 3 notes lets the music breathe :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 04:03:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6723D3BFA0; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:03:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcV6xUVQNhwUZ0ngQtaT4jhnyZbtRgAB41RQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050627040352.0585E3BF9B@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Please describe your approach. Are you referring to playing with a live drummer? Is the band playing to a click? Syncing via MIDI? Do you restart the loop to keep it in sync with the band, ... ? -----Original Message----- From: Joey [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment On 6/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > - I've become a much better player AND looper by using looping within a > band context. (gratuitous introspective comment) > > Same here. I am not sure what type of band context you are referring to but I have found that looping within a conventional band type structure has made my looping more tasteful. Sort of when I figured out that holding one note longer than playing 3 notes lets the music breathe :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 04:26:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F027B3BFB5; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S31Nx3e9NCYMtWU43+TdeHjS2i8Ig27C8jp3vGmqCoOybWSdpJ+s4qmrLRi9dH6SmPVRe/fg4My23FzBV3A/mPmm4ubDgVGP3vMC+3A3WgATYlYauGm8iYOWecZDTmh3zJ/qRVclB5QTwSoYluSLU7iNowYKgluSB5a7eFkK8Yc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:26:30 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment In-Reply-To: <20050627040352.0585E3BF9B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050627040352.0585E3BF9B@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:26:31 +0000 (UTC) No midi, no syncing, no restarting :) My band experiences have been more conventional in a rock type format (drums, guitar, bass) where the looping doesn't need to go on through out the entire song but more like adding some spurts of ambiance or texture to the songs. On 6/26/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > Please describe your approach. Are you referring to playing with a live > drummer? Is the band playing to a click? Syncing via MIDI? Do you restart > the loop to keep it in sync with the band, ... ? >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joey [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment >=20 > On 6/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > - I've become a much better player AND looper by using looping within a > > band context. (gratuitous introspective comment) > > > > >=20 > Same here. I am not sure what type of band context you are referring > to but I have found that looping within a conventional band type > structure has made my looping more tasteful. Sort of when I figured > out that holding one note longer than playing 3 notes lets the music > breathe :) >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 04:31:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C10B3BFB3; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:31:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcV60GXSu7UmWcp2Q2a6ljQzG2a8QgAAEA9wAAAZvzA= In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050627043145.C26923BF9A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:31:47 +0000 (UTC) So you are looping non-rhythmic parts? Is that what you mean? What instrument do you play? -----Original Message----- From: Joey [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment No midi, no syncing, no restarting :) My band experiences have been more conventional in a rock type format (drums, guitar, bass) where the looping doesn't need to go on through out the entire song but more like adding some spurts of ambiance or texture to the songs. On 6/26/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > Please describe your approach. Are you referring to playing with a live > drummer? Is the band playing to a click? Syncing via MIDI? Do you restart > the loop to keep it in sync with the band, ... ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joey [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment > > On 6/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > - I've become a much better player AND looper by using looping within a > > band context. (gratuitous introspective comment) > > > > > > Same here. I am not sure what type of band context you are referring > to but I have found that looping within a conventional band type > structure has made my looping more tasteful. Sort of when I figured > out that holding one note longer than playing 3 notes lets the music > breathe :) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 04:34:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0633BFB3; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dTcho1Oghy/JfZaxsxyfc3+dPPgBwEGTtGElQdxrPu9rf7XKAvA7uh9/xfeZJp6N5/keg201rJOoRir56oeXCqTZnhjPbxsZQLtQQ9fKGEWHa5X2HNYRcUBK759WAHEwIXLmslc//6edTTFf0pwuuNLp7uO8exwVY29J5yztQ14= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:34:29 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment In-Reply-To: <20050627043145.C26923BF9A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050627043145.C26923BF9A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:34:30 +0000 (UTC) On 6/26/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > So you are looping non-rhythmic parts? Is that what you mean? >=20 > What instrument do you play? >=20 Yes. Guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 07:18:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168FF3BFBC; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008401c57ae8$6e748ae0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: triggering loops with a drum machine Crediting Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:18:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:18:38 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: "Andre LaFosse at one time had a drum machine which he configured as a MIDI controller for his EDP, and I remember reading that at one gig he set up a number of loops, and then ran a "drum program" to rapidly change between loops. I always thought that the drum machine was not used for it's sounds in this case" When I first saw him do this he did indeed use an old roland drum machine (not using the sounds) and he actually triggered the loops from what I could tell visually, from the individual drum sound pads (sending out a midi note number, I assume). I didn't own an EDP at that time so I can't be sure of what he actually did and you are correct that this was not the SUB technique that started this thread out..........I got them confused............Andre, of course, is the only one who knows what he was doing at the show in Santa Cruz. Andy also wrote: "The technique that Bernhard Wagner (and a number of others) uses to create a fast "sequence" of evenly spaced notes was invented by me during the Beta testing of the Loop4 software for the EDP. The first ever available recording which features his technique is:- www.andybutler.com/mp3/backwater.mp3" And I just got finished listening to that track which is really, really beautiful.........Thanks Andy and thanks for innovating this technique....................I love it to death, especially when I create really rubato or really avante garde initial loops. The audience is sure that I"m going south with my piece and all of a sudden it's funkier that sh*t. Last night I played a party and used enormous malleted gongs and bowed crotales that eventually used this technique, to which I added some faux-industrial beatbox, a sub bass line on one of those juicy silicon string miniature Ashbory basses and finished up with some effected falsetto vocals and some effected melodica. So cool to start abstract and a-melodic and end of with a very conventionally styled piece. I especially love doing this with hi falsetto vocals so that the whole thing start sounding like music that was created by Ituri Pygmy vocalists if they were into techno. I hear what you say about Andre currently eschewing the rigidly quantised loops in favor of his own sense of rhythmic accuracy but I, personally, love how mechanical and robotically correct this technique is when rounded to the nearest 8th or 16th note. Thanks for this, Andy. We're all in your debt for it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 07:47:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA903BFB8; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050627074723.30061@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:47:22 +0900 Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made In-Reply-To: <20050627071838.ABE9D3BFBF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050627071838.ABE9D3BFBF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.2.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:47:27 +0000 (UTC) >Boomerang >Boomerang Version 2.0 >Line 6 DL-4 >Line6 Dela Pro >Repeater >Repeater MK2 >Echoplex >Echoplex Digital Pro >Digitech RDS8000 >Lexicon Jamman >DIgitech Giga Delay >DIgitech Loop Station > >Boss RC-20 Loop Station >Boss RC-20XL Loop Station > >Lexicon ReJam (JamMan/Reflex hybrid) Here's my addition: Korg AX1G Korg AX100G -not the most powerful loopers in the world, but them thingies allow you to adjust the length of the loop with its built-in pedal. TC Electronic TC2290 While I don't have first-hand experience, didn't the Lexicon MPX-G1 have a JamMan in it? -ysh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 07:51:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11833BFBA; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:51:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcV67Hcpkg38b8tdRCGjAUpxBIIj9wAAHRNQ In-Reply-To: <20050627074723.30061@mail.st.rim.or.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050627075117.8571E3BFB5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5hi9bD.A.oBD.2_6vCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:51:18 +0000 (UTC) It was a Lexicon G2. -----Original Message----- From: ysh [mailto:liminal@st.rim.or.jp] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made >Boomerang >Boomerang Version 2.0 >Line 6 DL-4 >Line6 Dela Pro >Repeater >Repeater MK2 >Echoplex >Echoplex Digital Pro >Digitech RDS8000 >Lexicon Jamman >DIgitech Giga Delay >DIgitech Loop Station > >Boss RC-20 Loop Station >Boss RC-20XL Loop Station > >Lexicon ReJam (JamMan/Reflex hybrid) Here's my addition: Korg AX1G Korg AX100G -not the most powerful loopers in the world, but them thingies allow you to adjust the length of the loop with its built-in pedal. TC Electronic TC2290 While I don't have first-hand experience, didn't the Lexicon MPX-G1 have a JamMan in it? -ysh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 07:55:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CECE03BFBF; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ce01c57aed$91236160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:55:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Boomerang Boomerang Version 2.0 Line 6 DL-4 Line6 Dela Pro Repeater Repeater MK2 Echoplex Echoplex Digital Pro + Loop IV Aurisis software upgrade Digitech RDS8000 Lexicon Jamman DIgitech Giga Delay DIgitech Loop Station Boss RC-20 Loop Station Boss RC-20XL Loop Station Original tube/tape Echoplex with the erase heads disengaged for sound on sound looping (used in 1982 and I'm sure, earlier) Roland RE 501 Chorus echo with the same approach first primitive digital delays with infinite repeat...........a whole slew of them. Cassette and Reel to Reel Tape decks with circular tape loops spliced in. Teac even made short tape loop cassettes commercially that we used. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 09:25:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64D873BFBD; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050626203437.47086.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050626203437.47086.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestral instruments SIMULATING mellotron Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:25:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:25:50 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2005, at 22:34, Tim Nelson wrote: > > I know Rick Walker has mentioned building an acoustic > drumkit which simulates the timbres of electronica. Is > anyone else out there being intentionally > anachronistic with their equipment, either using new > tech to simulate the sound of old stuff or getting > modern tones out of vintage gear? > > -t- A key point in this issue is the fact that you can not (at least not without a huge load of experience) hear from only monitoring one sound how that sound later will blend in an orchestration together with other sounds. If you will continue to try "solo sounds" you will never learn that ability and probable will never find that great instrument sound that will receive its true blessing only when heard in a full context. One particular example of this rule is a crappy sounding reverb I like to use in Ableton Live. It sounds crappy when played solo but as soon as you start building up loops the reverb starts sounding really sweet as a background foundation. Not too sharp to get in the way for the instruments, just smoothing and polishing each note that floats. And to my ears the lowest, most CPU-friendly, algorithm is the best sounding. In the past, before hard disk recording was available, I was using cassette decks, a Tascam reel to reel mastering machine and an early Yamaha digital delay to "degrade" the signal in a way that I found more pleasant for my ears. Today I find that a cheap soundcard I'm using on my laptop (Echo Indigo i/o) has a certain sound that I like. So I record the analog outputs of the laptop rig into a more "pro" sound card instead of recording digitally. Only to catch that coloring of the sound. Another example is using distortion, noise and hiss as part of the instrument sound. This is much more prosperous when looping compared to when playing traditionally, since you only punch in what you play into the loops - not the silence where noise would otherwise sound bad. To my ears this gives a kind of "mellotronishness" to the sound. I play a lot these days directly though a TC FireworX and since this unit used as a guitar pre-amp won't let me fade in notes with the guitar volume knobs - as I'm used to - I have learned to use a foot volume pedal instead. The upside with that technique is that all the noise from the FireworX is also cut out by the volume pedal (I put it second last, just keeping delay or reverb after the pedal). This setting also makes sense when looping flute, I discovered, because the volume pedal makes it possible to play flute with a distorted sound without loosing it all into nasty (acoustic) feedback. A smooth gate/expander after noise inducing effects can also create a "mellotronish" instrument sound by blending noise with the instruments sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 11:30:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083C53BF9F; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1119871833!17101088!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A1E5@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestr al instruments SIMULATING mellotron Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:32:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57B0B.D7D69C30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:30:38 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57B0B.D7D69C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'm really enjoying the way the analog signal loss/degradation/noise starts to make the "real deal" instruments sound very mellotronish, especially when juxtaposed with the crisper sound of the direct-to-digital instruments.[snip]Is anyone else out there being intentionally anachronistic with their equipment, either using new tech to simulate the sound of old stuff or getting modern tones out of vintage gear?<< simulating mellotron, did you say? :-) I have a real 400, which we've stopped gigging for a number of practical reasons. but what I started doing even before we got the thing in 1991 was "shogging" my samples by laying them off to 1/4" tape, sometimes at deliberately-altered fidelity (i.e. slow tape, distorted, wowing...) before resampling them. this gave all my samples a slightly more organic feel, a bit more like the 'tron. what I do now is augment this with a lot of complex but subtle modulation routing; my weapon of choice for sample playback is the emu proteus module, though I prepare the samples in one of their big samplers & then burn them onto 32Mb flash sticks. the samples include but are not limited to instruments from my mellotron tape collection (nine frames of three instruments each). I add small amounts of two different random lfo's to the pitch, amplitude & filter, & use velocity to control the sample start-point, simulating an incomplete rewind in the real 'tron. I also route a tiny amount of aftertouch to the pitch, so the instrument goes a bit flat if you press harder..... the proteus allows custom tuning scales to be built, so I can interfere with the intonation/temperament of the instruments aswell. using a "vanilla" patch with these routings set up, & the envelopes set to a hard gate, inserting pretty much any sample produces the equivalent of a "mellotron" version of that sound. this is not to demean the playback fidelity of a properly aligned mellotron, but these effects are apparent to some degree in any mechanical replay device. in fact, using the same techniques on regular synth waveforms goes a long way to improving the rompler's attempt at analogue synth sounds, especially if you sample the waveforms from a real synth instead of building it from waveforms that come with the rompler. I especially like the effect of offsetting the scaling of one "oscillator" (in fact, one layer of the rompler patch) to imitate the difference in tuning of two oscillators in a typical moog (or w.h.y.) as one works up & down the keyboard. again, messing with the sample start-point is beneficial here.... I could write about this all day.... duncan/radio massacre international. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57B0B.D7D69C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>= ;orchestral instruments SIMULATING mellotron

>>I'm really enjoying the way the analog signal
loss/degradation/noise starts to make the "real dea= l"
instruments sound very mellotronish, especially when
juxtaposed with the crisper sound of the
direct-to-digital instruments.[snip]Is
anyone else out there being intentionally
anachronistic with their equipment, either using new
tech to simulate the sound of old stuff or getting
modern tones out of vintage gear?<<

simulating mellotron, did you say? :-)

I have a real 400, which we've stopped gigging for a numb= er of practical reasons. but what I started doing even before we got the th= ing in 1991 was "shogging" my samples by laying them off to 1/4&q= uot; tape, sometimes at deliberately-altered fidelity (i.e. slow tape, dist= orted, wowing...) before resampling them. this gave all my samples a slight= ly more organic feel, a bit more like the 'tron.

what I do now is augment this with a lot of complex but s= ubtle modulation routing;
my weapon of choice for sample playback is the emu prote= us module, though I prepare the samples in one of their big samplers & = then burn them onto 32Mb flash sticks. the samples include but are not limi= ted to instruments from my mellotron tape collection (nine frames of three = instruments each). I add small amounts of two different random lfo's to the= pitch, amplitude & filter, & use velocity to control the sample st= art-point, simulating an incomplete rewind in the real 'tron. I also route = a tiny amount of aftertouch to the pitch, so the instrument goes a bit flat= if you press harder.....

the proteus allows custom tuning scales to be built, so I= can interfere with the intonation/temperament of the instruments aswell.

using a "vanilla" patch with these routings set= up, & the envelopes set to a hard gate, inserting pretty much any samp= le produces the equivalent of a "mellotron" version of that sound= .

this is not to demean the playback fidelity of a properly= aligned mellotron, but these effects are apparent to some degree in any me= chanical replay device.

in fact, using the same techniques on regular synth wavef= orms goes a long way to improving the rompler's attempt at analogue synth s= ounds, especially if you sample the waveforms from a real synth instead of = building it from waveforms that come with the rompler. I especially like th= e effect of offsetting the scaling of one "oscillator" (in fact, = one layer of the rompler patch) to imitate the difference in tuning of two = oscillators in a typical moog (or w.h.y.) as one works up & down the ke= yboard. again, messing with the sample start-point is beneficial here....

I could write about this all day....

duncan/radio massacre international.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C57B0B.D7D69C30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 13:23:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303373BFB6; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:26:26 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Boss DD-20 review posted at last To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003b01c57b1b$d405a3c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:23:50 +0000 (UTC) I just got the word from the Kimster: the Boss DD-20 write-up I did a few weeks back has been posted to the loopers delight web site. Here's the link: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html Enjoy. And please update, edit, comment or modify as needed. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 14:53:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EA0D3BFC2; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003101c57b28$3bfe5880$af704a18@aus.csc.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <00ce01c57aed$91236160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:55:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Revox 2-track Reel-to-Reel Tape Recorder ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:55 AM Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made > Boomerang > Boomerang Version 2.0 > Line 6 DL-4 > Line6 Dela Pro > Repeater > Repeater MK2 > > Echoplex > Echoplex Digital Pro + Loop IV Aurisis software upgrade > Digitech RDS8000 > Lexicon Jamman > DIgitech Giga Delay > DIgitech Loop Station > > Boss RC-20 Loop Station > Boss RC-20XL Loop Station > > Original tube/tape Echoplex with the erase heads disengaged for sound on > sound looping (used in 1982 and I'm sure, earlier) > Roland RE 501 Chorus echo with the same approach > first primitive digital delays with infinite repeat...........a whole slew > of them. > > Cassette and Reel to Reel Tape decks with circular tape loops spliced in. > Teac even made short tape loop cassettes commercially that we used. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 15:09:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16D123BFCB; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LWY0jRtDFZVkvhIvPNj1Cyd/mho6dl65REjRLXV7UISTrVk4rEoogD+YQLmmVZfPZi5wVaCNU35Js1/CgkjRhycEb0yYTAkouf5+i7lAHm3tn/GHZEWmMGf5N96gQYJgw/VPWOQ2VC56kt6ExjGsx4Zfc5P9aknJRmczZkOeRN4= Message-ID: <64b81a780506270809ee9cbb8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:09:03 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made In-Reply-To: <003101c57b28$3bfe5880$af704a18@aus.csc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ce01c57aed$91236160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003101c57b28$3bfe5880$af704a18@aus.csc.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:09:07 +0000 (UTC) I'd correct the "Line6 Dela Pro" to it's proper name "Line6 Echo Pro" just for accuracy. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 15:13:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CF123BFD6; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c57b2a$ca862900$18585651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Subject: Looping equipment list yawn... Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:13:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C57B33.2BC29C50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C57B33.2BC29C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sorry but this thread is just boring, so so boring, listing every = looper ever made...yawn...it sounds like a broken record (whoops there = is another looper - a broken record)=20 I think that although we all share a common denominator - looping, the = genres of music we create do vary. This is the exciting part of this = list, we all create different musical styles using similar equipment. = I've always felt that the looping isn't more important than the music, = the looping complements the creative process not dominates it. So maybe = we should be asking each other what styles we create and how we describe = our music that we create? ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C57B33.2BC29C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sorry but this thread is just = boring, so so=20 boring, listing every looper ever made...yawn...it sounds like a broken = record=20 (whoops there is another looper - a broken record)
 
I think that although we all share a = common=20 denominator - looping, the genres of music we create do vary.  This = is the=20 exciting part of this list, we all create different musical styles using = similar=20 equipment. I've always felt that the looping isn't more important = than the=20 music, the looping complements the creative process not dominates = it.  So=20 maybe we should be asking each other what styles we create and how=20 we describe our music that we create?
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C57B33.2BC29C50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 15:14:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0A93BFCF; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:13:57 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000d01c57b2a$d6f76eb0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00ce01c57aed$91236160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003101c57b28$3bfe5880$af704a18@aus.csc.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Maneco has made several models with looping (static and non-static) capabilities; Nanosampler, Microlooper, Manecolooper, Elite, Filter Eko, Eko Station¨ http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made > Revox 2-track Reel-to-Reel Tape Recorder > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:55 AM > Subject: RE: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made > > >> Boomerang >> Boomerang Version 2.0 >> Line 6 DL-4 >> Line6 Dela Pro >> Repeater >> Repeater MK2 >> >> Echoplex >> Echoplex Digital Pro + Loop IV Aurisis software upgrade >> Digitech RDS8000 >> Lexicon Jamman >> DIgitech Giga Delay >> DIgitech Loop Station >> >> Boss RC-20 Loop Station >> Boss RC-20XL Loop Station >> >> Original tube/tape Echoplex with the erase heads disengaged for sound on >> sound looping (used in 1982 and I'm sure, earlier) >> Roland RE 501 Chorus echo with the same approach >> first primitive digital delays with infinite repeat...........a whole >> slew >> of them. >> >> Cassette and Reel to Reel Tape decks with circular tape loops spliced in. >> Teac even made short tape loop cassettes commercially that we used. >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 16:51:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC9653BFAC; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ai9H3mwO2jsFrYQu1nUvawyh++Bd4h4+MER7kWOqNvxsIBVGWm+2BuZ/1r+BWSnoSGz5DZagpEUZRXqfOi1dCAAxny+pXXyVbJ1CVhGMkg+D1HI2DL3WZXTrjgFI6mWgskmEdTvQjAxnsoJL6IyIFli6UnjyEIwfuPSDCNU9Awc= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:51:29 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... In-Reply-To: <002301c57b2a$ca862900$18585651@homemain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002301c57b2a$ca862900$18585651@homemain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:51:35 +0000 (UTC) I anxiously await the "Complete List of All CDs with Looping On Them" threa= d. On 6/27/05, Dan Mayfield wrote: > =20 > I'm sorry but this thread is just boring, so so boring, listing every loo= per > ever made...yawn...it sounds like a broken record (whoops there is anothe= r > looper - a broken record)=20 > =20 > I think that although we all share a common denominator - looping, the > genres of music we create do vary. This is the exciting part of this lis= t, > we all create different musical styles using similar equipment. I've alwa= ys > felt that the looping isn't more important than the music, the looping > complements the creative process not dominates it. So maybe we should be > asking each other what styles we create and how we describe our music tha= t > we create? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 18:02:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F2553BFD2; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <002301c57b2a$ca862900$18585651@homemain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8d1e39765b9e4c99226dec4072c0ec32@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:02:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:02:18 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I anxiously await the "Complete List of All CDs with Looping On Them" > thread. but "looping" or "live looping"? that is the question ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 18:15:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26EB33BFE6; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c6eUdCipmXuL4kVge2rvqMwokKjVgPgcS+Nx6G+snksaNjN9hkXOX/tHxihWJh8/IU+G5uPYtj0FYTzZraYtU+yweMZwUTB8hNEjnvWpZnLEA8F5IxxaHRxXtAOJRFerif5DMVlLZjhBzYvkyD9r6T8w85PKdG8sFGGRaQitENM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:15:50 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... In-Reply-To: <8d1e39765b9e4c99226dec4072c0ec32@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002301c57b2a$ca862900$18585651@homemain> <8d1e39765b9e4c99226dec4072c0ec32@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) On 6/27/05, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >=20 > but "looping" or "live looping"? >=20 > that is the question ... DOH! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 18:54:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906C33BFE4; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Loop with this Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:54:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcV46CPmXAjxTTqhQqyxXgg42/7ejQCYXDgg In-Reply-To: <20050624181123.32481.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050627185442.UTVI23392.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/Fender/PR/G-DEC.html So they say . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 20:12:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E8463BFEC; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050627201250.83969.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... To: Joey , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:12:52 +0000 (UTC) You're all going to hell. ;) On the other hand, I kind of think we could salvage this thread by having a +/- summery after each looper. Like so: Lexicon JamMan: + inexpensive midi syncable looper - noisy and no undo Doing this might be useful especially for novice loopers who are looking for a feature/quality or would enjoy finding out about one they didn't know existed. Mark --- Joey wrote: > On 6/27/05, Suit & Tie Guy > wrote: > > > > but "looping" or "live looping"? > > > > that is the question ... > > DOH! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 20:16:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A582A3BFEC; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <97.624b6ef8.2ff1b891@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: Definitive Boring List of Every Looper Ever Made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.624b6ef8.2ff1b891_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:16:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_97.624b6ef8.2ff1b891_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ALESIS QUADRA-VERB 2 (Q-2).....has a 5 sec. loop that you can control the feedback 100% on down to 0%.....and the ZOOM 2100 has 3 5sec. loops that can be played individually or all at the same time provided you have an big foot.....ELECTRIX MO-FX also has looping capabilities.....mic --part1_97.624b6ef8.2ff1b891_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ALESIS QUADRA-VERB 2 (Q-2).....has a 5=20= sec. loop that you can control the feedback 100% on down to 0%.....and the Z= OOM 2100 has 3 5sec. loops that can be played individually or all at the sam= e time provided you have an big foot.....ELECTRIX MO-FX also has looping cap= abilities.....mic --part1_97.624b6ef8.2ff1b891_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 20:29:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA8D3BFF5; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GmT4kiryU1tqdjc9ULYrzlUgZvADenooHhdmSSuHWl1CzG/RraqYkIYfEFW1OIbW/lIIHXprX0s3cJ3xnVMQcDqmorPAgUMMus3NajGzALXf3VdDx5p413lb+ZtkT2xSqfc/hvqPXUajVArer0DwTM0kNnBuuP/ULEV5BSgWj90= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:28:48 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... In-Reply-To: <20050627201250.83969.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050627201250.83969.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:29:28 +0000 (UTC) The possibility of nit-picking pedantry is almost unlimited. And it's only a matter of time before the subject of Frippertronics comes up and derails the entire thread... Surely the Tools of The Trade page covers pretty much everything worth mentioning? On 6/27/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > You're all going to hell. ;) >=20 > On the other hand, I kind of think we could salvage > this thread by having a +/- summery after each looper. > Like so: >=20 > Lexicon JamMan: > + inexpensive midi syncable looper > - noisy and no undo >=20 > Doing this might be useful especially for novice > loopers who are looking for a feature/quality or would > enjoy finding out about one they didn't know existed. >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- Joey wrote: >=20 > > On 6/27/05, Suit & Tie Guy > > wrote: > > > > > > but "looping" or "live looping"? > > > > > > that is the question ... > > > > DOH! > > > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 20:35:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C61B3BEF5; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c57b57$c789df80$724b5651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:35:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C57B60.27E89D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <6ZFMxD.A.k9D.cMGwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:35:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C57B60.27E89D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree, and anyway if someone is really interested then a bit of = personal=20 research never did any harm, otherwise when someone does genuinely need=20 advice we shall all be bored of having to write about different loopers. = Arrgghh its driving me loopy! 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I agree, and anyway if someone is really interested then a bit of = personal=20
research never did any harm, otherwise when someone does genuinely = need=20
advice we shall all be bored of having to write about different = loopers.=20
Arrgghh its driving me loopy!

(p.s. Cambridge Loopfest this=20 Saturday)
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C57B60.27E89D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 20:42:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D31A3BFF8; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5O7WQ8GfVJWWjczuJgKiI3zoc9VDo4obolmkpHxfamxnnLZzU04PA7or026/wSIPvXPSfj8E2jV6eByjuoiT8eUy9obzNGZwFN0SUH7GsBlq6YU7nikKTv/5vDfOP7qbfeALQ4sDy6PtzYE67TYqbF/v4JfAeVEOUrFlo0dAeYQ= ; Message-ID: <20050627204241.43047.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050627201250.83969.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Wasn't that the idea behind the Tools of the Trade page? Reinventing the wheel is a form of looping, sorta... :P -t- --- mark sottilaro wrote: > On the other hand, I kind of think we could salvage > this thread by having a +/- summery after each > looper. > Like so: > > Lexicon JamMan: > + inexpensive midi syncable looper > - noisy and no undo > > Doing this might be useful especially for novice > loopers who are looking for a feature/quality or > would > enjoy finding out about one they didn't know > existed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 21:12:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0FD3BFFE; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1f8.c8fb287.2ff1c59d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:11:57 EDT Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f8.c8fb287.2ff1c59d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1f8.c8fb287.2ff1c59d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/27/05 4:42:59 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > Tools of the Trade > page? > not one of the three that i mentioned were on the Tools page.....perhaps they are not loopers!?.....:).....i'm sorry tim und others.....mic --part1_1f8.c8fb287.2ff1c59d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/27/05 4:42:59 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


Tools of the Trade page?


not one of the three that i mentioned were on the Tools page.....perhaps the= y are not loopers!?.....:).....i'm sorry tim und others.....mic --part1_1f8.c8fb287.2ff1c59d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 21:57:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FB373BFFC; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T0HKxBMMQP4dHQLt+mW3YtlBI5EeGiJCVJ5+RpZDc83a9cNHbS3E6QAT9I4xzikhhRGTkBxEfS6/Pl4KCjFtM+iSrd5oWWFJmAKCmC/BI21C4fkl5+gt4aSv5tSQDMfBPZAqQBcd3mc2wM5amRhV+MKiOjHzN9U6eL2IfJTs6aQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:57:30 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... In-Reply-To: <20050627204241.43047.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050627201250.83969.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <20050627204241.43047.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:57:34 +0000 (UTC) The wheel being a loop itself, wouldn't reinventing the wheel be a meta-loop? double- :P -jon On 6/27/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > Wasn't that the idea behind the Tools of the Trade > page? >=20 > Reinventing the wheel is a form of looping, sorta... > :P >=20 > -t- >=20 > --- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > On the other hand, I kind of think we could salvage > > this thread by having a +/- summery after each > > looper. > > Like so: > > > > Lexicon JamMan: > > + inexpensive midi syncable looper > > - noisy and no undo > > > > Doing this might be useful especially for novice > > loopers who are looking for a feature/quality or > > would > > enjoy finding out about one they didn't know > > existed. >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 22:34:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B523BF01; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vzclQd8HHg8aJ0hv8BNrXd0WRE8PgY0FMiSehb61+Fc2RlwPErH6136CfyF59bT1HM1RCu20zx9qHsYMIS3N5fGYgz4gG3ru7cohPdMWEuO4LHTmamg+uSX0a+NXnu2Ldyje30LwuEe9VARLzP6vjBdEuiT8P4fFp+94WOG6zCI= ; Message-ID: <20050627223426.61383.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1f8.c8fb287.2ff1c59d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <56D35.A.oZH.37HwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:34:31 +0000 (UTC) --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > not one of the three that i mentioned were on the > Tools page.....perhaps they are not loopers!? My point was that an attempt has already been made to assemble this sort of resource. Kim has vociferated until the area between his chin and hairline has gone cyanotic every time a well-meaning listmember has started a spinoff looper list or spent time and energy duplicating something that's already here. -t- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:06:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC3303BF22; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bk7eIuLSuIzNGmfBLFpQYik55MAb47cTH7aA/S3GGsxjbr0+cCV3zGDpvuJ3XSu4bj5SUlQctyG4d8SmX5qCWUSopHhjtfHtYacxBBt9qss8vvfijlwNu3cIXazja0EJs6Ap+bFr2cROuidzPVmSMFmR3aL9nqZEjdA3BXqFi/s= ; Message-ID: <20050627230651.46002.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Corbett Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050627223426.61383.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Yes, an attempt. If I felt it were complete I would have not started this. It's obvious to me at least that the page needs updating. I think a lot of stuff that comes through this list is a yawn so I don't open it... John > > My point was that an attempt has already been made > to > assemble this sort of resource. Kim has vociferated > until the area between his chin and hairline has > gone > cyanotic every time a well-meaning listmember has > started a spinoff looper list or spent time and > energy > duplicating something that's already here. > > -t- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:17:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C615C3BF2B; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping equipment list yawn... Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:17:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050627230651.46002.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcV7bOsLB4Fa3HwkQkWI7TEva8bD2wAAGGeA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050627231723.ONGO8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:17:27 +0000 (UTC) I'm a yawn! But I'm happy . . . I played last night at the Hilton in SD (not poolside, a restaurant venue I played 5 years ago or so) and looped for 5 minutes in the middle of a 4 hour sequenced one man band presentation (with the doggone Ztar!) and no one was impressed . . . they did applaud after Brown Eyed Girl tho--go figure. BTW, on the advice of one of my peers (he's in my ensemble and he also does a solo there) I played just at the level of audibility so as not to offend. I am playing there poolside (Mission Bay) about once a week (mostly Friday 1-5) until I offend someone (last week, folks told the management I was too loud) and I always include loops in my performances--but as I say, once they've heard sequencing, they aren't impressed by live looping. I am not sure that they are paying much attention at all . . . that may be as it should be. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:17:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1B4A3BF2C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4NEoH/LjLSMFQEE8NETNX34/iz9cWKah+A/QtS6hRf/e8l7Nq5pDMjSjUhzG27OyHZHmhQLzI6Grjo5rYcSokrzUWDOgY4zfWxtxcgvZrkrhQBC5Y2kColNKMgymJ7v3qmpJzB1KlznWyWotgFH9PHMhcwPKQ8/BwK8eK0rP5Sw= ; Message-ID: <20050627231744.96173.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestr al instruments SIMULATING mellotron To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A1E5@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4F-SOC.A.8f.ZkIwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:17:45 +0000 (UTC) --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > simulating mellotron, did you say? :-) Sort of. Simulating the timbre of a not-so-well-maintained mellotron would be more accurate; I've grown rather fond of the quirks. But since I'm not using a keyboard, I'm not playing it like a keyboard. I think of it more as a cello (or flute) which borrows from the vocabulary of a device which was invented to copy it. The only actual real live mellotron I've ever recorded with was one of the two owned by Fort Apache in Cambridge, MA. I'm not sure if they're 400s or Mk VI's; they were purchased at auction when the Broadway show Beatlemania folded. One doesn't work and supplies parts for the other, or at least it did last time I recorded there. The working one has (had?) the usual things wrong with it: many of the tapes in the rack had broken and were reattached so some of the notes required 'paddling' waaaay before 8 seconds, and the speed and pitch controls were sloppy-loose and had sort of a hallucinatory yaw to them. A beautiful thing. :) But for what I've been doing, recording flutes and cellos onto analog tape before introducing them to the other instruments in the software, the sound has been, to my ear, smooth and pleasant, with a weirdness that's just wrong in the right kind of way. It DOESN'T have the fidelity that a full-range digital recording of the same instruments would, but it's a sound I like, mostly as a result of the imperfections of the medium. It's funny, right after I started this thread last night, I recorded some cello parts digitally to complete a tune I'd (mostly) recorded a few weeks ago, skipping the eight track. On mixdown, I could really hear the limitations/artifacts of the old, cheap digital reverb I was using (three letter name, black with disgusting pink and blue graphics) which is just fine when used with analog, albeit noisy. It was like the difference between the gauzy vaseline-on-the-lens/soft lighting look of glamour photography (where imperfections are softened) and what the same actress would look like in sharp, macro, show-every-pore focus and harsh fluorescent glare. Maybe I'll try some filtering, or perhaps the tape-echo models of the DL4 or EchoPro before the signal hits the digital medium. The two step analog to digital process isn't always the most convenient; maybe I can get round it another way. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:18:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11DE73BF1F; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:18:44 EDT Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1119914324" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:18:46 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1119914324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just going to weigh in that as far as looping goes, digital has nothing on analog. I've been using two Sony TC-630 analog quarter track machines since 1982. With the ability to turn off the erase heads, this allows me to create very deep and layered loops that no digital loop machine can rival. A friend of mine the great looper Joseph Hammer uses an Ampex half track unit that he just by hand bypasses the erase head and creates real in depth layered loops. To me, if one is serious about looping, analog is still far superior. For live performance, I use two Digitech digital delays one for short loops (no more than 3.6 seconds) and one for longer loops (7.6 seconds max). These do allow me the ability to create real time live loops to play over with myself solo or with an ensemble always completely improvised and yes this digital aspect is more reliable for performance. It is just that this digital looping does not quite have the depth and warmth of analog looping that i use in studio. Kenny Ryman (Paperbag, Points of Friction, KeDaVi, Meke Mombo, Greg Segal's 'Night Circus' etc.).. -------------------------------1119914324 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm just going to weigh in that as far as looping goes, digital has not= hing=20 on analog.  I've been using two Sony TC-630 analog quarter track machin= es=20 since 1982.  With the ability to turn off the erase heads, this al= lows=20 me to create very deep and layered loops that no digital loop machine can=20 rival.  A friend of mine the great looper Joseph Hammer uses an Ampex h= alf=20 track unit that he just by hand bypasses the erase head and creates real in=20 depth layered loops.  To me, if one is serious about looping, analog is= =20 still far superior.  For live performance, I use two Digitech digital=20 delays one for short loops (no more than 3.6 seconds) and one for longer loo= ps=20 (7.6 seconds max).  These do allow me the ability to create real time l= ive=20 loops to play over with myself solo or with an ensemble always completely=20 improvised and yes this digital aspect is more reliable for performance.&nbs= p;=20 It is just that this digital looping does not quite have the depth and warmt= h of=20 analog looping that i use in studio.
 
Kenny Ryman
(Paperbag, Points of Friction, KeDaVi, Meke Mombo, Greg Segal's 'Night=20 Circus' etc.)..
 -------------------------------1119914324-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:22:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FEA33BF1C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: SamKlavier Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:22:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcV46CPmXAjxTTqhQqyxXgg42/7ejQAB1BxQAJ/OK6A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050627232235.ETBH19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <_u4RGB.A.4s._oIwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Did anyone check this out? http://samchillian.com/samklavier.html Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:34:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7653BF2D; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57B70.B734040D" Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ basic looping Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:34:07 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F231@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ basic looping Thread-index: AcV6xUVQNhwUZ0ngQtaT4jhnyZbtRgAB41RQAAGARRA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2005 23:34:09.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7A4ED80:01C57B70] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:34:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57B70.B734040D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: >=20 > - I've become a much better player AND looper by using looping within=20 > a band context. (gratuitous introspective comment) Yes, I can see how Doug's statement could mean about a 5.5 billion things, depending on what one means by "better" and "playing". You gotta love the subjectivity and cultural relativity of semantics! :)=20 Intuitively speaking, and inserting some of my own connotation into those terms, Doug's statement would ring true for me in one context and false in another. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for others as well, but who knows....I'd say that looping in a band context (historically) made me a better player rhythmically and technically. Shortly before I went solo, I played in a trio called "Tougher Cupcakes" (bass, drums, guitar), the same guys I'd been playing jazz fusion and traditional jazz with for the last several years. We decided to do the whole John Scofield "Uberjam" thing before ending our musical relationship...but what that really meant was a freakin' high maintenance technical nightmare for me....I hardly ever had fun when we played in our rehearsal studio or the few gigs we played because I was constantly worrying about my setup, looping my parts at the right time (the drummer and bass player were playing along to grooves that I would lay down), what parts to loop at the right time, pressing buttons on my Boss Loopstation and Dr. Sample for sound effects, etc. We rehearsed for nine months and played a few fairly significant gigs, and then I called it off. People really liked us and wanted us back, but I would have rather slit my wrists. That project sucked all the creative juice right out of me. >From a creative standpoint, and speaking for myself here (not making any categorical, quasi-objective/factual statements about anyone else's experiences), I find the opposite of Doug's statement to be true, but perhaps being an only child and learning how to be independent and self-sufficient solo has something to do with that. The "human static" of being in a band sometimes gets to me, but usually when the composition and performance parameters are too structured and start taking over the creative spirit, like that band where I was doing all the looping, programming, and controlling of everything. My band Hume's Fork was a different matter. We did spontaneous group improvisation, and that was probably closest thing to metaphysical astroplaning (outer body experience....no LSD involved) I'll ever experience. That made me a better player from a creative/social interactive standpoint. I learned to listen to three other players at the same time and react to them as if in a four-way conversation. In that case, I found my experience to be closer to that of a jazz combo setting, but with none of the traditional jazz genre performance or form requirements and restrictions.=20 What I would really like to do now to push my looping experience is find some other players locally who have EDPs and try syncing up with them....no chance in hell....to my knowledge, I am the only person in Boise, population of 200K, that has one and is playing out. Too bad. I hear of people doing that in a group setting, and I feel like I'm really missing out. It's not that I don't play with people where they loop independent, non-rhythmic parts with me with their own looping gear, but I would think the context where a whole group is contributing to the same EDP loop framework would be interesting and fulfilling...sort of fun, requiring some patience, a lot more listening, more non-verbal communication, etc. I could see that making me a better "creative" looper/player, but not being a programmer, pedal pusher, and tempo keeper. BTW, I decided to share the only recordings I have of that trio, Tougher Cupcakes, where I am doing some basic rhythm part looping...from our first live show, recorded by a Sony Minidisk set on front of the stage. I'm using a Boomerang to lay down all the main rhythm parts. Basically, I was replacing a second guitarist that didn't work out in the band last minute. I'm almost embarrassed to share these, as this was my rudimentary, neophyte days of looping, nothing special. Oh, and I included a bunch of sample videos packed into one .wmv file from the show as well, all here: http://www.box.net/public/khartung/folders/15532.html Sorry about the quality of the video....tiny Cannon Elf camera.... Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Mojam Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment Please describe your approach. Are you referring to playing with a live drummer? Is the band playing to a click? Syncing via MIDI? Do you restart the loop to keep it in sync with the band, ... ? -----Original Message----- From: Joey [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment On 6/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: >=20 > - I've become a much better player AND looper by using looping within=20 > a band context. (gratuitous introspective comment) >=20 >=20 Same here. I am not sure what type of band context you are referring to but I have found that looping within a conventional band type structure has made my looping more tasteful. Sort of when I figured out that holding one note longer than playing 3 notes lets the music breathe :) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57B70.B734040D Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ = basic looping

On 6/26/05, Doug = Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
> =
> - I've = become a much better player AND looper by using looping within =
> a band = context. (gratuitous introspective comment)

Yes, I can see how = Doug's statement could mean about a 5.5 billion things, depending on = what one means by "better" and = "playing".   You gotta love the subjectivity and = cultural relativity of semantics! :)

Intuitively = speaking, and inserting some of my own connotation into those terms, = Doug's statement would ring true for me in one context and false in = another. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for others as = well, but who knows….I'd say that looping in a band context = (historically) made me a better player rhythmically and technically. = Shortly before I went solo, I played in a trio called "Tougher = Cupcakes" (bass, drums, guitar), the same guys I'd been playing = jazz fusion and traditional jazz with for the last several years.  = We decided to do the whole John Scofield "Uberjam" thing = before ending our musical relationship...but what that really meant was = a freakin' high maintenance technical nightmare for me....I hardly ever = had fun when we played in our rehearsal studio or the few gigs we played = because I was constantly worrying about my setup, looping my parts at = the right time (the drummer and bass player were playing along to = grooves that I would lay down), what parts to loop at the right time, = pressing buttons on my Boss Loopstation and Dr. Sample for sound = effects, etc.  We rehearsed for nine months and played a few fairly = significant gigs, and then I called it off.  People really liked us = and wanted us back, but I would have rather slit my wrists.  That = project sucked all the creative juice right out of me.

From a creative = standpoint, and speaking for myself here (not making any categorical, = quasi-objective/factual statements about anyone else's experiences), I = find the opposite of Doug's statement to be true, but perhaps being an = only child and learning how to be independent and self-sufficient solo = has something to do with that. The "human static" of being in = a band sometimes gets to me, but usually when the composition and = performance parameters are too structured and start taking over the = creative spirit, like that band where I was doing all the looping, = programming, and controlling of everything. My band Hume's Fork was a = different matter. We did spontaneous group improvisation, and that was = probably closest thing to metaphysical astroplaning (outer body = experience….no LSD involved) I'll ever experience. That made me a = better player from a creative/social interactive standpoint. I learned = to listen to three other players at the same time and react to them as = if in a four-way conversation. In that case, I found my experience to be = closer to that of a jazz combo setting, but with none of the traditional = jazz genre performance or form requirements and restrictions. =

What I would = really like to do now to push my looping experience is find some other = players locally who have EDPs and try syncing up with them....no chance = in hell....to my knowledge, I am the only person in Boise, population of = 200K, that has one and is playing out. Too bad.  I hear of people = doing that in a group setting, and I feel like I'm really missing = out.  It's not that I don't play with people where they loop = independent, non-rhythmic parts with me with their own looping gear, but = I would think the context where a whole group is contributing to the = same EDP loop framework would be interesting and fulfilling...sort of = fun, requiring some patience, a lot more listening, more non-verbal = communication, etc.  I could see that making me a better = "creative" looper/player, but not being a programmer, pedal = pusher, and tempo keeper.

BTW, I decided to = share the only recordings I have of that trio, Tougher Cupcakes, where I = am doing some basic rhythm part looping...from our first live show, = recorded by a Sony Minidisk set on front of the stage. I'm using a = Boomerang to lay down all the main rhythm parts. Basically, I was = replacing a second guitarist that didn't work out in the band last = minute.  I'm almost embarrassed to share these, as this was my = rudimentary, neophyte days of looping, nothing special. Oh, and I = included a bunch of sample videos packed into one .wmv file from the = show as well, all here:

http://www.box.net/public/khartung/folders/15532.html
Sorry about the = quality of the video….tiny Cannon Elf camera….

Cheers,

Kris

**********************************************************= ******************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Mojam Performance = Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung
Gear setup: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
Featured, Sold, = or Downloadable on over 100 sites:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm<= /A>
Music & Video = Catalogue:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm
37 Free = downloadable songs in MP3 format:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm=
Reviews: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm





-----Original = Message-----
From: Bill = Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, = June 26, 2005 10:04 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: = Doug's gratuitous introspective comment

Please describe = your approach. Are you referring to playing with a live drummer? Is the = band playing to a click? Syncing via MIDI? Do you restart the loop to = keep it in sync with the band, ... ?

-----Original = Message-----
From: Joey = [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, = June 26, 2005 11:07 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: = Doug's gratuitous introspective comment

On 6/26/05, Doug = Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
> =
> - I've = become a much better player AND looper by using looping within =
> a band = context. (gratuitous introspective comment)
> =
> =

Same here. I am = not sure what type of band context you are referring to but I have found = that looping within a conventional band type structure has made my = looping more tasteful. Sort of when I figured out that holding one note = longer than playing 3 notes lets the music breathe :)



------_=_NextPart_001_01C57B70.B734040D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:45:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 223DB3BF04; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rCfccxhsktS9xCtISTgtjAFI5CLTKITIZk+QG603KZOFJ3K8FN18owkZUSEglUp3pDaXLsvb631zDKsMVubz3q19vcf6QVkWKg3bNSBIC1aOv8aGvKSt6qiwz4BuzzsdsArY9g8aFdRBifLsckd6Nu0Ad/GtTByLF3xDhjm8ec4= ; Message-ID: <20050627234517.80806.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050627230651.46002.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2QE6fB.A.VjB.Q-IwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:45:21 +0000 (UTC) --- John Corbett wrote: > Yes, an attempt. If I felt it were complete I would > have not started this. It's obvious to me at least > that the page needs updating. I wouldn't want to try to count the number of times over the years that Kim has invited us to participate in contributing to the site. I'm not ragging on you for trying to compile a list of looping devices; it's an excellent idea. But wouldn't your efforts be more efficiently applied towards making the existing resource more complete or up-to-date? Rather than a simple unverified list of brand names and model numbers (which took about 10 minutes to become seriously inaccurate with "Dela Pro" and fictitious Boss/DigiTech hybrid vaporware), the Tools page features reviews and technical tips written by listmembers who've spent a lot of time getting to know the gear; just the sort of thing that would be useful to someone trying to decide which device would be best for them. If you feel the resource could/should be improved or if you know of a looping device that should be on the page and isn't, as Kim has said many times, please feel free to help out. -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 27 23:57:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F94C3BF22; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003501c57b73$f4e6d070$0707a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <97.624b6ef8.2ff1b891@aol.com> Subject: Re: Definitive Boring List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:57:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:57:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >ALESIS QUADRA-VERB 2 (Q-2).....has a 5 sec. loop that you can control the >feedback 100% on down to 0%.....and the ZOOM 2100 has 3 5sec. loops that >can be played individually or all at the same time provided you have an big >foot.....ELECTRIX MO-FX also has looping capabilities.....mic I concur on the Zoom 2100, which can also do a 32-second loop sampled, or a fairly-decent tape loop simulator. Also the Digitech DDS 7.6 Time Machine, up to 7.6 secs accumulative loopage, speed/width/length controls, also auto-detection of participation in threads regarding lists of looping devices ->:<- (click) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 02:50:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3440C3BF23; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c57b8c$5fe1f950$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <20050627223426.61383.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:52:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Vociferate isn't really the correct word., unless of course he's objected to this sort of duplication using ALL CAPS until he's blue in the face. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... > > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > not one of the three that i mentioned were on the > > Tools page.....perhaps they are not loopers!? > > My point was that an attempt has already been made to > assemble this sort of resource. Kim has vociferated > until the area between his chin and hairline has gone > cyanotic every time a well-meaning listmember has > started a spinoff looper list or spent time and energy > duplicating something that's already here. > > -t- > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 03:01:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 068DE3BF28; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c57b8d$dfb148b0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:02:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C57B6C.585F9270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <6g3MwB.A.dSH.C2LwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:01:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C57B6C.585F9270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > digital looping does not quite have the depth and warmth of analog = looping that i use in studio. I completely agree. I've been using my Revox and similar machines since = the mid-70's. But I also use Digitech stuff - (2) PDS-8000's, (4) 7.6 Time Machines, (2) = RDS-4000's, (1) RDS-8000 and a=20 DOD DFX-94 pedal. The older stuff sounds less brittle to my ears... BTW, I contributed the Time Machine manual on LD. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ryman1960@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made I'm just going to weigh in that as far as looping goes, digital has = nothing on analog. I've been using two Sony TC-630 analog quarter track = machines since 1982. With the ability to turn off the erase heads, this = allows me to create very deep and layered loops that no digital loop = machine can rival. A friend of mine the great looper Joseph Hammer uses = an Ampex half track unit that he just by hand bypasses the erase head = and creates real in depth layered loops. To me, if one is serious about = looping, analog is still far superior. For live performance, I use two = Digitech digital delays one for short loops (no more than 3.6 seconds) = and one for longer loops (7.6 seconds max). These do allow me the = ability to create real time live loops to play over with myself solo or = with an ensemble always completely improvised and yes this digital = aspect is more reliable for performance. It is just that this digital = looping does not quite have the depth and warmth of analog looping that = i use in studio. Kenny Ryman=20 (Paperbag, Points of Friction, KeDaVi, Meke Mombo, Greg Segal's 'Night = Circus' etc.).. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C57B6C.585F9270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> digital looping does not quite have the depth and warmth of = analog=20 looping that i use in studio.
 
I completely agree. I've been using my Revox and similar machines = since the=20 mid-70's. But I also
use Digitech stuff - (2) PDS-8000's, (4) 7.6 Time = Machines, (2)=20 RDS-4000's,  (1) RDS-8000 and a
DOD DFX-94 pedal. The older stuff sounds less brittle to my = ears...
 
BTW, I contributed the Time Machine manual on LD.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ryman1960@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 = 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Definitive List of = Every=20 Looper Ever Made

I'm just going to weigh in that as far as looping goes, digital = has=20 nothing on analog.  I've been using two Sony TC-630 analog = quarter track=20 machines since 1982.  With the ability to turn off the erase = heads,=20 this allows me to create very deep and layered loops that no digital = loop=20 machine can rival.  A friend of mine the great looper Joseph = Hammer uses=20 an Ampex half track unit that he just by hand bypasses the erase head = and=20 creates real in depth layered loops.  To me, if one is serious = about=20 looping, analog is still far superior.  For live performance, I = use two=20 Digitech digital delays one for short loops (no more than 3.6 seconds) = and one=20 for longer loops (7.6 seconds max).  These do allow me the = ability to=20 create real time live loops to play over with myself solo or with an = ensemble=20 always completely improvised and yes this digital aspect is more = reliable for=20 performance.  It is just that this digital looping does not quite = have=20 the depth and warmth of analog looping that i use in studio.
 
Kenny Ryman
(Paperbag, Points of Friction, KeDaVi, Meke Mombo, Greg Segal's = 'Night=20 Circus' etc.)..
 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C57B6C.585F9270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 04:37:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703E23BF23; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SamKlavier Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:37:15 +0000 Message-Id: <062820050437.6952.42C0D3FB000C61AC00001B2822007358340196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6952_1119933435_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:37:20 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6952_1119933435_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Duet with Tim" is like................... Monk meets Scriabin....... thank you. b.helm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6952_1119933435_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
"Duet with Tim" is like................... Monk meets Scriabin....... thank you.
 
                                                       b.helm
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6952_1119933435_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 08:23:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076763BF1C; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050628010926.04759b40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:23:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... In-Reply-To: <20050627234517.80806.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050627230651.46002.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> <20050627234517.80806.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:23:09 +0000 (UTC) At 04:45 PM 6/27/2005, Tim Nelson wrote: > > Yes, an attempt. If I felt it were complete I would > > have not started this. It's obvious to me at least > > that the page needs updating. > >I wouldn't want to try to count the number of times >over the years that Kim has invited us to participate >in contributing to the site. I'm not ragging on you >for trying to compile a list of looping devices; it's >an excellent idea. But wouldn't your efforts be more >efficiently applied towards making the existing >resource more complete or up-to-date? Rather than a >simple unverified list of brand names and model >numbers (which took about 10 minutes to become >seriously inaccurate with "Dela Pro" and fictitious >Boss/DigiTech hybrid vaporware), the Tools page >features reviews and technical tips written by >listmembers who've spent a lot of time getting to know >the gear; just the sort of thing that would be useful >to someone trying to decide which device would be best >for them. If you feel the resource could/should be >improved or if you know of a looping device that >should be on the page and isn't, as Kim has said many >times, please feel free to help out. Exactly!! I've said this many times, but could not have said it better than this. If you like Looper's Delight and care about it, then put some effort into making it better. This is a community, built by the people who participate in it. If you think you are a part of this community, than pitch in and contribute your piece! Many, many wonderful people have contributed to Looper's Delight over the years. That's why it is as good as it is. If it were only up to me to create Looper's Delight, it would truly suck and none of you would be here. So, if you think there is something to complain about, turn that complaint into your personal project and get busy! If you can't be bothered to do that, shut the fuck up and don't let the door hit your lazy ass on the way out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 13:33:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A5A33BF3B; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1119965596!18053836!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A1FA@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestr al instruments SIMULATING mellotron Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:34:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57BE6.286B1C90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57BE6.286B1C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Simulating the timbre of a not-so-well-maintained mellotron would be more accurate; I've grown rather fond of the quirks. But since I'm not using a keyboard, I'm not playing it like a keyboard.<< ah- gotcha. curiously, there are things you can do on the real thing that you can't really do on other keyboards anyway- in particular, the sideways-play in the keys that can (depending on the state of the pinch rollers) introduce some peculiar vibrato. the only way I've been able to reproduce this with midi is to use a guitar controller- I have a strat with a gk pickup, & a peavey midibase (sic) that I occasionally use for lead lines. >>The only actual real live mellotron I've ever recorded with was one of the two [snip] One doesn't work and supplies parts for the other<< sadly this is often the case with older instruments. there's actually quite a bit of support for 'trons nowadays though; often what's lacking is the inclination &/or financial wherewithal to get them properly restored. mine hasn't left the studio for almost four years, but we used to use it at every gig. only when we started using a drum kit did it become too much to deal with. maybe we should get roadies.... >>But for what I've been doing, recording flutes and cellos onto analog tape before introducing them to the other instruments in the software, the sound has been, to my ear, smooth and pleasant, with a weirdness that's just wrong in the right kind of way [snip] it's a sound I like, mostly as a result of the imperfections of the medium.<< exactly. this is why I do all my sampling from 1/4" tape. aswell as all that mod-routing, I play with different sample rates too. I have an old 8-bit delay line with dbx either end of the digital bit; this is fantastic for recording drum patterns prior to resampling- makes them sound like you lifted them from some ancient record even though you just wrote them y'rself on a regular drumbox. once you appreciate where the imperfections are, it's a lot of fun to introduce them deliberately by messing about with microtuning & modulation, aswell as unusual signal paths. >>I could really hear the limitations/artifacts of the old, cheap digital reverb I was using (three letter name, black with disgusting pink and blue graphics) which is just fine when used with analog, albeit noisy.<< ART? :-) I have one of their guitar "pre-amp" boxes. dreadful.... did you ever see that guitar combo they made? probably the ugliest >>The two step analog to digital process isn't always the most convenient; maybe I can get round it another way.<< sometimes when I'm doing a major sampler-population session, I'll route the input via a 1/4" deck & just leave it in record, sampling from the monitor head. maybe you could get hold of an old copicat or a tape echoplex..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Simulating the timbre of a not-so-well-maintained= mellotron would be more accurate; I've grown rather fond of the quirks. Bu= t since I'm not using a keyboard, I'm not playing it like a keyboard.<&l= t;

ah- gotcha. curiously, there are things you can do on the= real thing that you can't really do on other keyboards anyway- in particul= ar, the sideways-play in the keys that can (depending on the state of the p= inch rollers) introduce some peculiar vibrato. the only way I've been able = to reproduce this with midi is to use a guitar controller- I have a strat w= ith a gk pickup, & a peavey midibase (sic) that I occasionally use for = lead lines.

>>The only actual real live mellotron I've ever rec= orded with was one of the two [snip] One doesn't work and supplies
parts for the other<<
sadly this is often the case with older instruments. the= re's actually quite a bit of support for 'trons nowadays though; often what= 's lacking is the inclination &/or financial wherewithal to get them pr= operly restored. mine hasn't left the studio for almost four years, but we = used to use it at every gig. only when we started using a drum kit did it b= ecome too much to deal with. maybe we should get roadies....

>>But for what I've been doing, recording flutes an= d cellos onto analog tape before introducing them to the other instruments = in the software, the sound has been, to my ear, smooth and pleasant, with a= weirdness that's just wrong in the right kind of way [snip] it's a sound I= like, mostly as a result of the imperfections of the medium.<<

exactly. this is why I do all my sampling from 1/4" = tape. aswell as all that mod-routing, I play with different sample rates to= o. I have an old 8-bit delay line with dbx either end of the digital bit; t= his is fantastic for recording drum patterns prior to resampling- makes the= m sound like you lifted them from some ancient record even though you just = wrote them y'rself on a regular drumbox. once you appreciate where the impe= rfections are, it's a lot of fun to introduce them deliberately by messing = about with microtuning & modulation, aswell as unusual signal paths.

>>I could really hear the limitations/artifacts of = the old, cheap digital reverb I was using (three letter name, black with di= sgusting pink and blue graphics) which is just fine when used with analog, = albeit noisy.<<

ART? :-) I have one of their guitar "pre-amp" b= oxes. dreadful.... did you ever see that guitar combo they made? probably t= he ugliest

>>The two step analog to digital process isn't alwa= ys the most convenient; maybe I can get round it another way.<<

sometimes when I'm doing a major sampler-population sessi= on, I'll route the input via a 1/4" deck & just leave it in record= , sampling from the monitor head. maybe you could get hold of an old copica= t or a tape echoplex.....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C57BE6.286B1C90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 17:20:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 568D53BF39; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c57c05$a866d780$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: PMC10 schematics needed Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:39:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys having some weirdies with my midi pedalboard LD probably being the largest PMC10 user base maybe one of you has the schematics somewhere and could scan it and send it to me Maybe Merci Have a lovely evening/day/night Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 17:23:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2F03BF33; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ch9ccUc2HZtnIMcXYkPgvc47dfnq1IvkcULooUtVHqZ6Pem8Y9yXwCGC/QkpOF+DWkoP1al/cuzvcjSLlYxOElhXvpMmYGrzvORocOIFL6r9ML0CCmumtPvDFFY7vk22mXVW7aYtJt0WyCUO4i7WOjsaL1t8NFjECu5LEq3QaOc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:23:25 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PMC10 schematics needed In-Reply-To: <000401c57c05$a866d780$0400000a@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000401c57c05$a866d780$0400000a@mini> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:23:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm thinking Mango's the guy you want to talk to: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199911/msg00673.html On 6/28/05, Claude Voit wrote: > Hi guys > having some weirdies with my midi pedalboard > LD probably being the largest PMC10 user base maybe one of you has the > schematics somewhere and could scan it and send it to me >=20 > Maybe >=20 > Merci >=20 > Have a lovely evening/day/night >=20 > Claude >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 19:39:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A6A73BF2C; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jb5Ojn9aYy0hvtbSVOjq7uUio6f8/McoNRthDM7wpXLa7ajtfEJqhZhbWiF8Mqz9BPJzO4amIw+uPFuoBmxvnSSblBs37aXsl3k45RWfkG8vrXvUG43gfKlilK1a9+rbVMB1Y8rKwQjtobHHiCH5+TjrgFhMfjKhxMY3ByMmtLs= ; Message-ID: <20050628193938.42130.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestr al instruments SIMULATING mellotron To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A1FA@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_jts9B.A.3P.7dawCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:39:40 +0000 (UTC) --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >once you > appreciate where the imperfections are, it's a lot > of fun to introduce them deliberately by messing > about with microtuning & modulation, aswell as > unusual signal paths. Yeah, I think there's something about lo-fi electronic instruments that ISN'T true for things like stereos; the imperfections of the instrument grow on you as you learn to incorporate them into the voice of the instrument, whereas a piece of 'home entertainment' electronics that has audibly obvious shortcomings never really inspires fondness, unless it's a case where enough time has passed that a retro vibe is involved, like vinyl crackle or the midrangey sound of an old Victrola. I recently recorded a piece that included some of that heterodyne squeal from a shortwave radio; high fidelity wasn't the objective so much as mood, texture and all the associations one has with that type of sound. Even with instruments, the quirks can take a while to sink in. I remember when guitar synthesis first started getting widespread in the late 70's/early 80's and people would hear, say, a trumpet patch and gripe that it didn't sound anything like a trumpet. Fast forward a couple of decades, and that same patch CAN (but not always) evoke nostalgic associations. Or take the Ensoniq Mirage: at first, the complaint was that it didn't sound enough like the instrument it was imitating. But after a while, people started looking for them on eBay because they LIKED the way its low sampling rate mangled the sound; it just took a little while for people to realize its musical usefulness. > ART? :-) You guessed it. (An old ProVerb 200 that I've had since the 80's; for certain things it's still very useful, but it sure doesn't stand up too well to today's more transparent recording technology.) -t- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 21:20:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45FBC3BF3A; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c57c27$6d1b1f70$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <20050628193938.42130.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestr al instruments SIMULATING mellotron Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:22:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) I've had a Casio SK-5 sampler for ages and I've gotten some great "mellotronish" strings and vocals using this fantastic noise machine. BTW, It's a lo-tech looper too. For backing tracks - soundscape beds and percussion samples - I just hold one key down for several minutes one it's own track or fly it into a mix sometimes. With or without processing, you can get some very satifying results. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Closing the Loop: orchestral instruments>>mellotron>>orchestr al instruments SIMULATING mellotron > > > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >once you > > appreciate where the imperfections are, it's a lot > > of fun to introduce them deliberately by messing > > about with microtuning & modulation, aswell as > > unusual signal paths. > > Yeah, I think there's something about lo-fi electronic > instruments that ISN'T true for things like stereos; > the imperfections of the instrument grow on you as you > learn to incorporate them into the voice of the > instrument, whereas a piece of 'home entertainment' > electronics that has audibly obvious shortcomings > never really inspires fondness, unless it's a case > where enough time has passed that a retro vibe is > involved, like vinyl crackle or the midrangey sound of > an old Victrola. I recently recorded a piece that > included some of that heterodyne squeal from a > shortwave radio; high fidelity wasn't the objective so > much as mood, texture and all the associations one has > with that type of sound. > > Even with instruments, the quirks can take a while to > sink in. I remember when guitar synthesis first > started getting widespread in the late 70's/early 80's > and people would hear, say, a trumpet patch and gripe > that it didn't sound anything like a trumpet. Fast > forward a couple of decades, and that same patch CAN > (but not always) evoke nostalgic associations. Or take > the Ensoniq Mirage: at first, the complaint was that > it didn't sound enough like the instrument it was > imitating. But after a while, people started looking > for them on eBay because they LIKED the way its low > sampling rate mangled the sound; it just took a little > while for people to realize its musical usefulness. > > > ART? :-) > > You guessed it. (An old ProVerb 200 that I've had > since the 80's; for certain things it's still very > useful, but it sure doesn't stand up too well to > today's more transparent recording technology.) > > -t- > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 22:07:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A02C13BF3F; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yqI/yNnJ1eKBdj2B4ObsQOJTdFqiCXsa698Jg70yRgy1CVMKM44xuiJEw/KEKiidLaMCgZ/xzs14yl10RxH9J035OXp/fpR70E1hOmbd7Lx+hTJXkCHYdsj//5HJXtK1jBMNtFC99rx2kIflFeb1m04mlIIqvvoTjEI2h7XRGjM= ; Message-ID: <20050628220719.31714.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Corbett Subject: Re: Looping equipment list yawn... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050628010926.04759b40@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Well I thought that since the page was not complete we could just make a list here but I see that only a handful of us care about that. Also, did I say I couldn't be bothered to do that? I don't know anything about how the site runs and I don't have experience with most loopers so I couldn't review one anyway. It's a good site but no need to be such a prick. John If you > can't be bothered to do > that, shut the fuck up and don't let the door hit > your lazy ass on the way out. > > kim __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 22:29:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98DE33BF1A; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Cursing site operator Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:29:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050628220719.31714.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcV8LcMvsITtstK1QLmjBkEWX7n3OgAAtADA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050628222917.GUJS12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Actually, shut the fuck up is kind of our unofficial slogan here G -----Original Message----- From: John Corbett [mailto:phishmarisol18@yahoo.com] It's a good site but no need to be such a prick. John If you > can't be bothered to do > that, shut the fuck up and don't let the door hit > your lazy ass on the way out. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 22:34:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 810023BF42; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?johannes_h=E4tscher?= To: Subject: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:30:53 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi there! My Name is Jo Jena and I´m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II", "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! Thank you very much for your patience! Sincerly Yours, J.J. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 22:35:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B213BF44; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uE720NnD6m6seIq6UKsAFb6lp9zZLiLWxSBpAVdk+bGQ6hR0ipkJaECEVBTLTicVezFEs9J1ua/HXUZckUc57QmKne6xxYxu+oBTKIl2EeAzQ8VmCVZY48ZwCfnhATdR0g+9/0uP08PLExbHMlgSXww/2+6q/tQsqnuA/gUNV7c= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:35:04 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cursing site operator In-Reply-To: <20050628222917.GUJS12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050628220719.31714.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> <20050628222917.GUJS12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) I thought it was "No, you can't unsubcribe"? On 6/28/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Actually, shut the fuck up is kind of our unofficial slogan here > G > -----Original Message----- > From: John Corbett [mailto:phishmarisol18@yahoo.com] > > It's a good site but no need to be such a > prick. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > If you > > can't be bothered to do > > that, shut the fuck up and don't let the door hit > > your lazy ass on the way out. > > > > kim >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 22:40:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AFB03BF41; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?johannes_h=E4tscher?= To: Subject: AW: Cursing site operator Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:36:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050628222917.GUJS12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Uuuuh... -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 00:29 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Cursing site operator Actually, shut the fuck up is kind of our unofficial slogan here G -----Original Message----- From: John Corbett [mailto:phishmarisol18@yahoo.com] It's a good site but no need to be such a prick. John If you > can't be bothered to do > that, shut the fuck up and don't let the door hit > your lazy ass on the way out. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 23:26:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B4CA3BF38; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Cursing site operator Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:25:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcV8Mlec/NablmKIQb2LTMCYWgaL0AABksQg Message-Id: <20050628232602.HGVM19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to the new guy, it is an inside joke. Gary -----Original Message----- From: johannes h=E4tscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Cursing site operator Uuuuh... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 00:29 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Cursing site operator Actually, shut the fuck up is kind of our unofficial slogan here G -----Original Message----- From: John Corbett [mailto:phishmarisol18@yahoo.com] It's a good site but no need to be such a prick. John If you > can't be bothered to do > that, shut the fuck up and don't let the door hit > your lazy ass on the way out. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 23:29:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38A6B3BF42; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:28:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcV8MZEgSASZ4HE4SUCkp+4tcLINZwAB3Gdw Message-Id: <20050628232852.GSRB23392.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:29:00 +0000 (UTC) http://www.jo-jena.com/cms/upload/mp3/rthythmndrones/II.)droneI.mp3 Insects are eating my radio. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 23:34:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C86523BF44; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C1DE6F.3090108@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:34:07 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ basic looping References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F231@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F231@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6ciS4D.A.Ok.y5dwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to all for an attempt at translating my comment :) What I mean is: - I've learned to take control of my loops (vs. letting them own the tempo) via things like loop restart, truncating loops, and loop windowing - I've learned to listen much more deeply than I ever have before (note: I've been playing in various types of bands since I was a teen, I'm 40 now) - The band is not playing to a click, and there's no MIDI synching, etc - I've learned to work the feedback and loop volume parameters in a way that now feels as natural as working the knobs on my guitar - I've learned how to make loops "fit" in a band context - better at thinking ahead melodically so that my loops fit across the changes - I've learned how to communicate what I'm doing loop-wise with the band, and how to incorporate looping into our collective thought process and jamming - I've learned to show up 15 mins early and do a looping warmup along with my regular warmup :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 23:50:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46CF83BF4B; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <84.4871cea3.2ff33c5b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:50:51 EDT Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_84.4871cea3.2ff33c5b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:50:58 +0000 (UTC) --part1_84.4871cea3.2ff33c5b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/28/05 6:34:58 PM, haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de writes: > www.jo-jena.com > jo.....welcome.....very nice music!.....mic --part1_84.4871cea3.2ff33c5b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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jo.....welcome.....very nice music!.....mic --part1_84.4871cea3.2ff33c5b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 23:51:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC7073BF50; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01e601c57c3c$5d0f4150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:51:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7xFU3D.A.zKB.dKewCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:51:57 +0000 (UTC) On every online group that exists for any length of time, there is the problem (for oldbies) of newbies asking questions that have been answered time and time again. It's a pain when you realize that newbies have not done their homework and checked out the archives or the rest of the site. That being said, it is also a fact of life in all life that newbies have questions that take up time. Several times when I started I tried Kim's patience by not knowing the site or how it worked. I felt bad about it, but I learned. A certain amount of naivite is the lay of the land when one is new to something. A certain amount of patience is required when dealing with some one who is just learning about something. When I see that this latest thread has dominated the list in the past few days with back and forths about the way the thread should have been done I think two things: 1) someone can make the positive suggestiong to forward the list to the Tools of the Trade page (which is very incomplete due to lack or our own input). 2) people who are irritated by the thread don't need to read it. It is, for me, personally, just as irritating to read post after post of people being reactive to criticisms on both sides as it is to think, "Oh, damn, why didn't that newbie do their homework." Let's put our energy into either teaching new people on our list with compassion and patience or starting new fascinating threads so there is something else to read besides. Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 28 23:58:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DE603BF5A; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:06:54 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Message-id: <001d01c57c3e$75851640$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01e601c57c3c$5d0f4150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Four-Tet's new CD. I'm not sure I'm 100% into it, but I'll keep spinning it to see how we do together... What's the most recent CD/Music you've pruchased that clearly had some looping on it? David Kirkdorffer UNDO - Ambient Looping Live http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 00:11:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668BF3BF6A; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B3loe2e7xnH2TpwGuM1vqFls6Ree8OraPpnO6rzCJ1728YMryqM0oB64n5o/erWHhK8qbqt2Z9SFSyNSiLGlvPEs3HMwr0d8s7LVX+yYEcZfi/3bQ9wnPggXD//9maCbDl3EZkgBKB3wBOmwc5TugEE3oeaUgRQoMisranlZ2xg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:11:50 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... In-Reply-To: <001d01c57c3e$75851640$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01e601c57c3c$5d0f4150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <001d01c57c3e$75851640$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Ah, my anxiety is vanquished... TH On 6/28/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Four-Tet's new CD. I'm not sure I'm 100% into it, but I'll keep spinning= it > to see how we do together... >=20 > What's the most recent CD/Music you've pruchased that clearly had some > looping on it? >=20 > David Kirkdorffer >=20 > UNDO - Ambient Looping Live > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=3Dlisting_= song_artist >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 00:47:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE973BF63; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031901c57c44$26ce93e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Best Live Looping Festival in History Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:47:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:47:42 +0000 (UTC) As a promoter/producer of large and small live looping festivals, I have to say that Swiss Looper/Promoter Bernhard Wagner has planned the very best Live Looping Festival I have ever seen coming up from August 25th to 27th in Zurich, Switzerland. http://nosuch.biz/zhlf05 The bill is just stunning and I can't wait to go watch (and perform). With 40 artists from 9 countries including most of the very top live looping artists that I have personally experienced from Scandinavia to Italy, it is just a dream gig for anyone interested in all the different ways live looping is manifested. We have joked about the looping capitol of the world here at loopers delight in the past. Zurich can make that claim with authority after this big upcoming event. If you can possibly get there to experience it, you'll greatly thank Bernhard for all the hard work that he is putting in to make this a reality for the first time in Europe. If you are new to live looping, it will be the best introduction to what is possible that there is. Despite the plethora of information available at this wonderful website, there is no substitute for seeing and hearing high caliber artists using the techniques and gear we all spend so much time writing about. Congratulations, Bernhard...............thanks for your hard work and committment. You have planned an amazing, groundbreaking event! yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 01:54:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44EDD3BF59; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BFhg/YBcQIZzhYA+9K77+e5aSUvM8g6yhBI84hTOS/q8zSktf6ai/x0AI75cJQvZ0LBt+L2lVBvhMgQ3C1gmsoD92Odyc3q1SpfEiTyhxfAdEFE6aeXbX4pf7jpxBy6mG+svLfxDAQ3wvs7eGm3vGH6s7A7bk/FnwTy9bTvbfpw= Message-ID: <64b81a7805062818545efc70fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:54:08 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Definitive List of Every Looper Ever Made In-Reply-To: <01e601c57c3c$5d0f4150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01e601c57c3c$5d0f4150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:54:10 +0000 (UTC) One of the oddities of this new online forum type of communication is that it requires 'oldbies' to act as teachers for the 'newbies'.=20 While this may have been the norm in small village communities in the distant past, the simple fact of the matter is that in our modern day to day lives most of us are not accustomed to teaching others or to cultivating the requisite patience. Compound that with the impersonal nature of the medium and all too often you find curt rudeness prevails. I'm sure we've all heard the reminder that we were all newbies once.=20 A little compasion and kindness can go a long way here. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 01:57:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DF213BF6D; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:57:46 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F491@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Thread-index: AcV8OeW0vxltVvUwTFmGP/w3ztRBsAAAKmRwAASFGqA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 01:57:48.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[F303DD90:01C57C4D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:57:50 +0000 (UTC) And now you've learned to how to appease a group of irritable, hair-splitting, obsessive-compulsive SOBs who like everything detailed and analyzed down to a gnat's ass. :) Yep, looks like you've got your money's worth with the looping technology. Learning is always a good thing in my mind....and un-learning sometimes equally as important! [explanation intentionally left out]=20 BTW, I have personally specified the width of a gnat's ass, and I have a small image to illustrate if anyone is interested.... Heh heh....it's an old work joke with some engineers, but I do have it and can send on request to provide hours of amusement. ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? For instance, it would be interesting to have several small glass jars (one inch by inch approx) with some sort of noise making insect in each jar, and a small condenser mic in each as well. You could have bees, those hissing beetles, mosquitoes, and I'm sure there are is a whole micro-menagerie of insects that make interesting sounds. Then you could apply all sorts of effects on each one. What maniacal lunatic out there has already done this? :) Imagine a hissing beetle looped and blasting loud with a filter and octavizor on it....etc. K- -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net ] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ basic looping Thanks to all for an attempt at translating my comment :) What I mean is: - I've learned to take control of my loops (vs. letting them own the tempo) via things like loop restart, truncating loops, and loop windowing - I've learned to listen much more deeply than I ever have before (note: I've been playing in various types of bands since I was a teen, I'm 40 now) - The band is not playing to a click, and there's no MIDI synching, etc - I've learned to work the feedback and loop volume parameters in a way that now feels as natural as working the knobs on my guitar - I've learned how to make loops "fit" in a band context - better at thinking ahead melodically so that my loops fit across the changes - I've learned how to communicate what I'm doing loop-wise with the band, and how to incorporate looping into our collective thought process and jamming - I've learned to show up 15 mins early and do a looping warmup along with my regular warmup :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 02:06:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A7F63BF79; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Best Live Looping Festival in History Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:06:19 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F492@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Best Live Looping Festival in History Thread-index: AcV8RC2VvxLWiwAcSSKezpoesKGZNQACkRig From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 02:06:21.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[24BC7BC0:01C57C4F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Amazing. I wish I could finagle a business trip to see. And I recognize some names! You (Rick), Per, Michael, Fabio, and Andy.=20 Will the webcast be audio only, or audio-video? What would be cool, given that streaming audio-video is intense, is to stream audio and a video frame every 10 seconds, just to get an idea of real thing. Kris -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:48 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Best Live Looping Festival in History As a promoter/producer of large and small live looping festivals, I have to say that Swiss Looper/Promoter Bernhard Wagner has planned the very best Live Looping Festival I have ever seen coming up from August 25th to 27th in Zurich, Switzerland. http://nosuch.biz/zhlf05 The bill is just stunning and I can't wait to go watch (and perform). With 40 artists from 9 countries including most of the very top live looping artists that I have personally experienced from Scandinavia to Italy, it is just a dream gig for anyone interested in all the different ways live looping is manifested. We have joked about the looping capitol of the world here at loopers delight in the past. Zurich can make that claim with authority after this big upcoming event. If you can possibly get there to experience it, you'll greatly thank Bernhard for all the hard work that he is putting in to make this a reality for the first time in Europe. If you are new to live looping, it will be the best introduction to what is possible that there is. Despite the plethora of information available at this wonderful website, there is no substitute for seeing and hearing high caliber artists using the techniques and gear we all spend so much time writing about. Congratulations, Bernhard...............thanks for your hard work and committment. You have planned an amazing, groundbreaking event! yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 02:07:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 206913BF7C; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.610ce252.2ff35c67@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:07:35 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=A0=20Doug's=20gratuitous=20introspective..?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?..=20/=20Live=20Insect=20Looping=3F?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7f.610ce252.2ff35c67_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:07:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_7f.610ce252.2ff35c67_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kris, I've recorded crickets and edited a loop sample to play on my SP-303. I used it in in a performance at Y2K2 (or Y2K3) I think. Does that count? I suppose you could buy those little cricket cages that they sell for bait fishing and fill 'em with all sorts of bugs and stuff. I prefer to go out on a summer evening and listen to the bugs and frogs and birds do their thing unconfined. As a mater of fact I think I hear my patio hammock calling me right now (heheh) . . . that and a tall glass of icewater. Cheers, Ted In a message dated 6/28/05 6:58:08 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: > ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? > --part1_7f.610ce252.2ff35c67_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

I've recorded crickets and edited a loop sample to play on my SP-303.
I used it in in a performance at Y2K2 (or Y2K3) I think. Does that count? I suppose you could buy those little cricket cages that they sell for bait fishing and fill 'em with all sorts of bugs and stuff. I prefer to go out on=  
a summer evening and listen to the bugs and frogs and birds do their
thing unconfined. As a mater of fact I think I hear my patio hammock
calling me right now (heheh) . . . that and a tall glass of icewater.

Cheers,

Ted

In a message dated 6/28/05 6:58:08 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

...speaking of which,= has anyone looped live insects?


 --part1_7f.610ce252.2ff35c67_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 02:38:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C2D3BF67; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57C53.9518619C" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=A0_Doug=27s_gratuitous_introspective=2E=2E=2E?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2E_/_Live_Insect_Looping=3F?= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:38:06 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F494@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0_Doug=27s_gratuitous_introspective=2E=2E=2E=2E_/_Li?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ve_Insect_Looping=3F?= Thread-index: AcV8T1a57ewuGlV8STWdvtyhxhRyfgAAwV1Q From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 02:38:08.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[956DFBB0:01C57C53] Resent-Message-ID: <4NHLtB.A.YEC.RmgwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:38:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57C53.9518619C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It counts, Ted, but I won't consider you an all out lunatic until I see = you up on stage with your live insect ensemble....all wired up and = running through your EDP. :) You could up the volume of a gnat and call = it the Gnat Concerto. =20 =20 An orchestra of crickets looped...I love it. Amazing how they sync up = without any assistance of MIDI technology!=20 =20 Kris =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect = Looping? Kris, I've recorded crickets and edited a loop sample to play on my SP-303. I used it in in a performance at Y2K2 (or Y2K3) I think. Does that = count? I suppose you could buy those little cricket cages that they sell for = bait fishing and fill 'em with all sorts of bugs and stuff. I prefer to go = out on =20 a summer evening and listen to the bugs and frogs and birds do their thing unconfined. As a mater of fact I think I hear my patio hammock=20 calling me right now (heheh) . . . that and a tall glass of icewater. Cheers, Ted In a message dated 6/28/05 6:58:08 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57C53.9518619C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It counts, Ted, but I won't consider you an all = out lunatic=20 until I see you up on stage with your live insect ensemble....all wired = up and=20 running through your EDP. :)  You could up the volume of a gnat and = call it=20 the Gnat Concerto. 
 
An orchestra of crickets looped...I love it. = Amazing how=20 they sync up without any assistance of MIDI technology! =
 
Kris
 
 

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:08 = PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re:=20   Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect=20 Looping?

Kris,

I've recorded crickets and edited a = loop sample=20 to play on my SP-303.
I used it in in a performance at Y2K2 (or Y2K3) = I=20 think. Does that count?
I suppose you could buy those little cricket = cages=20 that they sell for bait
fishing and fill 'em with all sorts of bugs = and=20 stuff. I prefer to go out on 
a summer evening and listen to = the bugs=20 and frogs and birds do their
thing unconfined. As a mater of fact I = think I=20 hear my patio hammock
calling me right now (heheh) . . . that and a = tall=20 glass of icewater.

Cheers,

Ted

In a message dated = 6/28/05=20 6:58:08 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

...speaking of which, has anyone looped live=20 insects?


 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57C53.9518619C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 02:52:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 546713BF72; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:56:20 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F491@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F491@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:52:46 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Hartung, Kris wrote: > ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? For instance, it Sampled, then looped, yes, but not me personally. "Chaos and the Emergent Mind of the Pond", on David Dunn's _Angels & Insects_ album. regards, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 03:23:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C10043BF67; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:23:22 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F496@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Thread-index: AcV8VaPY08IPQxtkQxu4IMMlxxTeVgAAqGjg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 03:23:24.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[E880DCE0:01C57C59] Resent-Message-ID: <8zDbAB.A.IAE.9QhwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Got it...check out the soundclip... http://www.earthear.com/catalog/angels.html=20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Hartung, Kris wrote: > ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? For instance, it Sampled, then looped, yes, but not me personally. "Chaos and the Emergent Mind of the Pond", on David Dunn's _Angels & Insects_ album. regards, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 03:39:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 332BE3BF85; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:47:49 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? To: Message-id: <000f01c57c5d$520529c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F491@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:39:51 +0000 (UTC) K - You know it's been done... I have a piece called Insekta that I do (and also on UN) that sounds a bit like a pile of insects all chatting among themselves. David UNDO - Ambient Looping Live http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? And now you've learned to how to appease a group of irritable, hair-splitting, obsessive-compulsive SOBs who like everything detailed and analyzed down to a gnat's ass. :) Yep, looks like you've got your money's worth with the looping technology. Learning is always a good thing in my mind....and un-learning sometimes equally as important! [explanation intentionally left out] BTW, I have personally specified the width of a gnat's ass, and I have a small image to illustrate if anyone is interested.... Heh heh....it's an old work joke with some engineers, but I do have it and can send on request to provide hours of amusement. ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? For instance, it would be interesting to have several small glass jars (one inch by inch approx) with some sort of noise making insect in each jar, and a small condenser mic in each as well. You could have bees, those hissing beetles, mosquitoes, and I'm sure there are is a whole micro-menagerie of insects that make interesting sounds. Then you could apply all sorts of effects on each one. What maniacal lunatic out there has already done this? :) Imagine a hissing beetle looped and blasting loud with a filter and octavizor on it....etc. K- -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net ] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ basic looping Thanks to all for an attempt at translating my comment :) What I mean is: - I've learned to take control of my loops (vs. letting them own the tempo) via things like loop restart, truncating loops, and loop windowing - I've learned to listen much more deeply than I ever have before (note: I've been playing in various types of bands since I was a teen, I'm 40 now) - The band is not playing to a click, and there's no MIDI synching, etc - I've learned to work the feedback and loop volume parameters in a way that now feels as natural as working the knobs on my guitar - I've learned how to make loops "fit" in a band context - better at thinking ahead melodically so that my loops fit across the changes - I've learned how to communicate what I'm doing loop-wise with the band, and how to incorporate looping into our collective thought process and jamming - I've learned to show up 15 mins early and do a looping warmup along with my regular warmup :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 06:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A12F93BF79; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:21:16 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4A7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Thread-index: AcV8XDfBzYsnGu76QFWuRuseGQoR/gAFTJ4Q From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 06:21:18.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2CA4900:01C57C72] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Where is the song, David? It isn't on your download.com page. I wouldn't mind checking it out. I have no doubt many people have incorporated insect sounds into their music, or even made them the feature. I have even heard of folks sampling all sorts of insects, and them using them as their sound canvas with a MIDI controller keyboard, etc....what I really wonder is if someone has used live insects in a live performance setting. It would be like me bringing my USB enabled microscope, and showing real protozoa and amoebae on an overhead projector while I was playing...damn, I wish I could afford to do that....I'm burning to loop to the video of my DVD "Microscopic Horrors". Imagine seeing creeping stuff like this, at a live performance, while listening to weird, experimental and avant-garde music: =20 http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Microcosmic_Zoo.wmv OR http://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=3D11&CONTENT_ID=3D164375&c=3DcontentPage&FILTER_= KEY=3D3 670 Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? K - You know it's been done... I have a piece called Insekta that I do (and also on UN) that sounds a bit like a pile of insects all chatting among themselves. David UNDO - Ambient Looping Live http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=3Dlisting_= s ong_artist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? And now you've learned to how to appease a group of irritable, hair-splitting, obsessive-compulsive SOBs who like everything detailed and analyzed down to a gnat's ass. :) Yep, looks like you've got your money's worth with the looping technology. Learning is always a good thing in my mind....and un-learning sometimes equally as important! [explanation intentionally left out] BTW, I have personally specified the width of a gnat's ass, and I have a small image to illustrate if anyone is interested.... Heh heh....it's an old work joke with some engineers, but I do have it and can send on request to provide hours of amusement. ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? For instance, it would be interesting to have several small glass jars (one inch by inch approx) with some sort of noise making insect in each jar, and a small condenser mic in each as well. You could have bees, those hissing beetles, mosquitoes, and I'm sure there are is a whole micro-menagerie of insects that make interesting sounds. Then you could apply all sorts of effects on each one. What maniacal lunatic out there has already done this? :) Imagine a hissing beetle looped and blasting loud with a filter and octavizor on it....etc. K- -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net ] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ basic looping Thanks to all for an attempt at translating my comment :) What I mean is: - I've learned to take control of my loops (vs. letting them own the tempo) via things like loop restart, truncating loops, and loop windowing - I've learned to listen much more deeply than I ever have before (note: I've been playing in various types of bands since I was a teen, I'm 40 now) - The band is not playing to a click, and there's no MIDI synching, etc - I've learned to work the feedback and loop volume parameters in a way that now feels as natural as working the knobs on my guitar - I've learned how to make loops "fit" in a band context - better at thinking ahead melodically so that my loops fit across the changes - I've learned how to communicate what I'm doing loop-wise with the band, and how to incorporate looping into our collective thought process and jamming - I've learned to show up 15 mins early and do a looping warmup along with my regular warmup :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 06:36:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B677E3BF78; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Best Live Looping Festival in History Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:35:44 +0200 Message-ID: <011601c57c74$c9ec3c00$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <031901c57c44$26ce93e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Dear Rick Thank you very much for this flattering estimation! Of course the Zurich Loopfestival wouldn't be possible without all the = the great loopfestivals that preceded it! (I've listed them at the bottom of = the site) BTW: There is also an easier to memorize URL to the festival: http://loopfestival.com Thank you Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 02:48 > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Best Live Looping Festival in History >=20 > As a promoter/producer of large and small live looping festivals, > I have to say that Swiss Looper/Promoter Bernhard Wagner has > planned the very best Live Looping Festival I have ever seen > coming up from August 25th to 27th in Zurich, Switzerland. >=20 > http://nosuch.biz/zhlf05 >=20 > The bill is just stunning and I can't wait to go watch (and perform). >=20 > With 40 artists from 9 countries including most of the very top live > looping > artists that I have personally experienced from Scandinavia to Italy, > it is just a dream gig for anyone interested in all the different ways > live > looping > is manifested. >=20 > We have joked about the looping capitol of the world here at loopers > delight > in the past. Zurich can make that claim with authority after this = big > upcoming event. >=20 > If you can possibly get there to experience it, you'll greatly thank > Bernhard > for all the hard work that he is putting in to make this a reality for = the > first > time in Europe. >=20 > If you are new to live looping, it will be the best introduction to = what > is > possible > that there is. Despite the plethora of information available at this > wonderful website, > there is no substitute for seeing and hearing high caliber artists = using > the > techniques and gear we > all spend so much time writing about. >=20 > Congratulations, Bernhard...............thanks for your hard work and > committment. > You have planned an amazing, groundbreaking event! >=20 > yours, >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 06:44:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 401533BF79; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0h10pGTA/5wBsHc3+4ZiemykMLns2K0G9+oCao3PZt9Ik0VNbMkZEimAxQOjENYHfyQ9P+5FDbARrh7NRj/dZoWfBF5EKOuatMY7h+83SHJz492n4UJBtu70tb0Yz8oIkybTtnLPhQaG9/hvrC072PfJQMAR9I1YOv7pHI6X8xg= ; Message-ID: <20050629064425.64443.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kynoceph Subject: Franz de Byl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:44:27 +0000 (UTC) A long time ago, back in the 1980's, a friend who lived in Germany sent me a tape of a gentleman named Franz de Byl. It was and is a pretty astounding chunk of music. There was no information with this tape at all, but what was apparently happening was that he was playing amplified acoustic guitar a' la' John Martyn and running it through a bunch of effects. I strongly suspect that there was some sort of primitive looping going on, or else this guy is the world's greatest unknown fingerpicker with a totally relentless and accurate right hand. In any case, if anybody has heard of this guy, or even better, has any of his work on CD, I would be definitely interested. The one solo album of his I can find out about was called "Solo," and other than this I have no information. Thanks - Mark S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 08:10:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F8F63BF7C; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c57c3e$75851640$0affff0a@hppav> References: <01e601c57c3c$5d0f4150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <001d01c57c3e$75851640$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39C7D4AE-47B2-4D19-8827-48E8CF58FE61@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:10:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:10:51 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 29, 2005, at 2:06, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > What's the most recent CD/Music you've pruchased that clearly had some > looping on it? No CD's bought lately, but I purchased some music digitally on iTunes and Bleep (Warp Records). 1. Eivind Aarset: Connected. This is one of the most uplifting discs I've come across in a long time. Here's listening all the time... 2. Jon Hassell: Maarifa Street. As a long time Hassell fan I'm always interested on those rare occasions when he releases something. 3. Jamie Lidell: Multiply. Having heard the talking about Jamie's fantastic live sets (vocal mic into Max armed laptop) I was very curious on this album. He is an excellently soulful singer but I can't listen too much to his music because it always gives me that feeling that I can use my time in a better way, already having heard Marvin Gaye, Prince e all. 4. MARS VOLTA: Francis the Mute. Not precisely live looping since Omar (guitarrist, producer) did most of the looping in the studio, applied to the entire mix or submixes of certain tracks. A great prog rock disc picking up the vibes from early Zeppelin and Yes (Relayer). 5. Best Of Santana (anthology). Gave this CD to my bro for his birthday. No looping per definition but Carlos is heard copying himself all through this disc... ;-) They were a great band! I especially like listening to the keyboard player. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 08:28:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D7F93BF8B; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:28:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <4DGlaD.A.G2E.7ulwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jo, That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for =20= more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative =20 Commons licensing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes h=E4tscher wrote: > > Hi there! > > My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. > You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for > free (the english text info still has to be edited by > a native speaker: but that follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I =20 > totally > fell in love with the GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on =20 > Files > like "drone II", "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" > (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" > and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very =20 > happy to > reach more people interested in this topic with my music! > Thank you very much for your patience! > > Sincerly Yours, > > J.J. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 09:45:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 688D93BF8A; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:45:14 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4AC@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Website: www.jo-jena.com Thread-index: AcV8hJSXUKAY24coSEG9LL7qC2t8SAACIU1A From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 09:45:16.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[410E2220:01C57C8F] Resent-Message-ID: <4Amx0D.A.zEH.v2mwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:45:19 +0000 (UTC) I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice job, = J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce = some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping = music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in the = US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet = thought-mood provoking. ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on = the first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this = evening at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. = I'll be inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so = that I can set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the = tablas.=20 Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are = using? I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Z=FCrich. = I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com Hi Jo, That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for = more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons = licensing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes h=E4tscher wrote: > > Hi there! > > My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. > You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the=20 > english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that = > follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the=20 > GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II",=20 > "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" > (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" > and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy = > to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! > Thank you very much for your patience! > > Sincerly Yours, > > J.J. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 10:03:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FA583BF99; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004b01c57c91$bba4d090$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> From: "Ben" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4A7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:02:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:03:05 +0000 (UTC) From: "Hartung, Kris" ....what I really wonder is if someone has used live insects in a live performance setting. It would be like me bringing my USB enabled microscope, and showing real protozoa and amoebae on an overhead projector while I was playing...damn, I wish I could afford to do that.... ---- Or better... detect the move (X-Y coordinates) of the beasts in the range defined by the overhead circle and use this to CC some midi controlled value (filters, pitch,...). I think someone (from the nord modular list?) made such an experiment with an I-cube, a camera, a goldenfish and a water tank. Cheaper is to use some program like sounder (www.sounder.com) which allow the audience to "link" an image to the sound produced. You can even use any picture to represent the bouncing objects, so use a bug if you want to ;-) If someone has other tools in this "trend" I'm interested. Creating image from sound (VJing) is cool but improvising or generating sound from on an image is more interresting I think. Just my 2c, Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 10:09:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76EE23BF94; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?johannes_h=E4tscher?= To: Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:05:33 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4AC@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I really appreciate it! @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don´t use a slide at all. There are several cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards. Then, a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is added. But I´m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III". "Rhythm I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla player. Here I fed my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some guitar sounds. Again, a nord modular self generating patch is heard in the background (it is actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it can be found in jim clarks advanced book for nord modular users - somewhere online). When it comes to looping, I really experimented a lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. Here, I recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5 overdubbed guitars. Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to it. Equipment: Fostex D - 80, Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II (333 MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: Nord Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an acoustic guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I´m very much interested in looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not generally - do not believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising with bandmates (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others in a studio environment (with lots of techniques), but the useable structures in my work were at about 10 Percent of the Material. In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I lack the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it comes, and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play "hazard"). J.J. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice job, J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in the US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet thought-mood provoking. ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on the first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this evening at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll be inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that I can set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are using? I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Zürich. I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com Hi Jo, That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons licensing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes hätscher wrote: > > Hi there! > > My Name is Jo Jena and I´m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. > You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the > english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that > follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the > GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II", > "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" > (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" > and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy > to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! > Thank you very much for your patience! > > Sincerly Yours, > > J.J. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 10:15:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94DE83BFA5; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:15:18 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4AF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Thread-index: AcV8kcPIP+AEVk9FQJ2opd0YUs67NQAAI8Bg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 10:15:19.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[73C7FC50:01C57C93] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Oh now you're out of control, Ben. :)=20 Yes, very tempting idea. I like the interactive aspect. I wonder if = there is a way to allow the audience to modify the effect and presets = one uses? For instance, I'm laying down a loop, and some audience member = tweaks something that switches my effect from something on my Boss VH1 = to something on my computer, like Antares Filter. I'm afraid to ask what = sort of contraption I would need to get audience input into a MIDI = program change signal. A light based, effect grid projected on the wall = that was touch sensitive by a pencil-like laser would be an easy way. = You could hand a few lasers out and let the audience go hog = wild....could also get annoying for a musician after a while too. Btw, I'm still warming up to the idea of programs that "create" music = for me....it either scares me, or intrigues me...one, the other ,or = both... Kris=20 -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? From: "Hartung, Kris" ....what I really wonder is = if someone has used live insects in a live performance setting. It would = be like me bringing my USB enabled microscope, and showing real protozoa = and amoebae on an overhead projector while I was playing...damn, I wish = I could afford to do that.... ---- Or better... detect the move (X-Y coordinates) of the beasts in the = range defined by the overhead circle and use this to CC some midi = controlled value (filters, pitch,...). I think someone (from the nord modular list?) made such an experiment = with an I-cube, a camera, a goldenfish and a water tank. Cheaper is to use some program like sounder (www.sounder.com) which = allow the audience to "link" an image to the sound produced. You can = even use any picture to represent the bouncing objects, so use a bug if = you want to ;-) If someone has other tools in this "trend" I'm = interested. Creating image from sound (VJing) is cool but improvising or generating = sound from on an image is more interresting I think. Just my 2c, Ben. =09 =09 =09 _________________________________________________________________________= __ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! = Messenger T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur = http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 10:25:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5837F3BFAC; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:25:55 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4B0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Website: www.jo-jena.com Thread-index: AcV8kpjrw5n+M3r8R7CfJ9g26bVc/wAATYnw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 10:25:56.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF76C6F0:01C57C94] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a few = of us on this list here, myself included, who play primary acoustic out = live. I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify = in terms of tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig, = but I always end up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the = dynamics of the instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of = playing the electric guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say = that the electric guitar sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange = transformation that happened to me a few years ago after all that time = of not giving the acoustic a chance, only having a nylon string = classical guitar in the corner of the room that I picked up once in a = while. I still use the electric in the studio though, because it is = convenienet to pick up and play at 3am and not waking anyone up. Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: = http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm Cheers, Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: johannes h=E4tscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I really = appreciate it! @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don=B4t use a slide at = all. There are several cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards. = Then, a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is = added. But I=B4m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone = III". "Rhythm I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla = player. Here I fed my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some = guitar sounds. Again, a nord modular self generating patch is heard in = the background (it is actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it = can be found in jim clarks advanced book for nord modular users - = somewhere online). When it comes to looping, I really experimented a lot = with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. Here, I recorded little harmonic = and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5 overdubbed guitars. Then I fed the plug - = In with that soundfile. I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to = it. Equipment: Fostex D - 80, Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II = (333 MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: = Nord Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an = acoustic guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I=B4m very much = interested in looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not = generally - do not believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising = with bandmates (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others in = a studio environment (with lots of techniques), but the useable = structures in my work were at about 10 Percent of the Material. In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I = lack the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and = spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it = comes, and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play = "hazard"). J.J. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice job, = J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce = some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping = music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in the = US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet = thought-mood provoking. ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on = the first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this = evening at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll = be inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that I = can set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are = using? I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Z=FCrich. I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com Hi Jo, That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for = more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons = licensing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes h=E4tscher wrote: > > Hi there! > > My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. > You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the=20 > english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that = > follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the=20 > GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II",=20 > "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" > (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" > and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy = > to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! > Thank you very much for your patience! > > Sincerly Yours, > > J.J. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 10:41:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA513BFA8; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?johannes_h=E4tscher?= To: Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:38:01 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4B0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:41:32 +0000 (UTC) check this out: http://www.clavia.se/products/nordmodular/software.htm Here you can download the NEW Modular for free: In this Demo version, not the DSP of the hardware unit is needed, but the DSP from your computer. There is no MIDI, no polyphony, no Effects and - as I believe (sad!) - no Audio Input in the Demo. BUT - you can generate and save! - self generating patches. Check out for examples (this examples are from the old modular geration 1, the patches can NOT be used for generation 2): http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/%7Eclark/nordmodularbook/nm_algorithmic.html#noodle s And with this demo it´s for free (the original unit is really expensive). Unbelievable, isn´t it!? (Don´t forget to check out all the nice filter modules and the sequencing - modules) Cheers, J.J. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 12:26 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a few of us on this list here, myself included, who play primary acoustic out live. I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify in terms of tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig, but I always end up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the dynamics of the instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of playing the electric guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say that the electric guitar sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange transformation that happened to me a few years ago after all that time of not giving the acoustic a chance, only having a nylon string classical guitar in the corner of the room that I picked up once in a while. I still use the electric in the studio though, because it is convenienet to pick up and play at 3am and not waking anyone up. Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm Cheers, Kris -----Original Message----- From: johannes hätscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I really appreciate it! @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don´t use a slide at all. There are several cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards. Then, a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is added. But I´m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III". "Rhythm I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla player. Here I fed my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some guitar sounds. Again, a nord modular self generating patch is heard in the background (it is actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it can be found in jim clarks advanced book for nord modular users - somewhere online). When it comes to looping, I really experimented a lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. Here, I recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5 overdubbed guitars. Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to it. Equipment: Fostex D - 80, Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II (333 MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: Nord Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an acoustic guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I´m very much interested in looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not generally - do not believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising with bandmates (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others in a studio environment (with lots of techniques), but the useable structures in my work were at about 10 Percent of the Material. In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I lack the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it comes, and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play "hazard"). J.J. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice job, J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in the US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet thought-mood provoking. ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on the first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this evening at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll be inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that I can set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are using? I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Zürich. I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com Hi Jo, That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons licensing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes hätscher wrote: > > Hi there! > > My Name is Jo Jena and I´m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. > You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the > english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that > follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the > GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II", > "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" > (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" > and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy > to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! > Thank you very much for your patience! > > Sincerly Yours, > > J.J. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 10:45:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BFAF3BFB7; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?johannes_h=E4tscher?= To: Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:42:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: <5l21FC.A.u3.OvnwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:45:35 +0000 (UTC) @kris: yeah, acoustic guitars are great! For me some kind of romantic passion... Do you know any good recordings of manipulated or looped acoustic guitars? I´m very interested in that! J.J. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: johannes hätscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 12:38 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com check this out: http://www.clavia.se/products/nordmodular/software.htm Here you can download the NEW Modular for free: In this Demo version, not the DSP of the hardware unit is needed, but the DSP from your computer. There is no MIDI, no polyphony, no Effects and - as I believe (sad!) - no Audio Input in the Demo. BUT - you can generate and save! - self generating patches. Check out for examples (this examples are from the old modular geration 1, the patches can NOT be used for generation 2): http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/%7Eclark/nordmodularbook/nm_algorithmic.html#noodle s And with this demo it´s for free (the original unit is really expensive). Unbelievable, isn´t it!? (Don´t forget to check out all the nice filter modules and the sequencing - modules) Cheers, J.J. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 12:26 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a few of us on this list here, myself included, who play primary acoustic out live. I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify in terms of tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig, but I always end up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the dynamics of the instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of playing the electric guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say that the electric guitar sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange transformation that happened to me a few years ago after all that time of not giving the acoustic a chance, only having a nylon string classical guitar in the corner of the room that I picked up once in a while. I still use the electric in the studio though, because it is convenienet to pick up and play at 3am and not waking anyone up. Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm Cheers, Kris -----Original Message----- From: johannes hätscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I really appreciate it! @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don´t use a slide at all. There are several cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards. Then, a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is added. But I´m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III". "Rhythm I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla player. Here I fed my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some guitar sounds. Again, a nord modular self generating patch is heard in the background (it is actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it can be found in jim clarks advanced book for nord modular users - somewhere online). When it comes to looping, I really experimented a lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. Here, I recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5 overdubbed guitars. Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to it. Equipment: Fostex D - 80, Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II (333 MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: Nord Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an acoustic guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I´m very much interested in looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not generally - do not believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising with bandmates (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others in a studio environment (with lots of techniques), but the useable structures in my work were at about 10 Percent of the Material. In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I lack the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it comes, and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play "hazard"). J.J. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice job, J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in the US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet thought-mood provoking. ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on the first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this evening at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll be inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that I can set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are using? I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Zürich. I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com Hi Jo, That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons licensing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes hätscher wrote: > > Hi there! > > My Name is Jo Jena and I´m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. > You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the > english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that > follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the > GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II", > "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" > (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" > and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy > to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! > Thank you very much for your patience! > > Sincerly Yours, > > J.J. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 10:45:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC0FA3BFC2; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <76.562fdffc.2ff3d5df@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:45:51 EDT Subject: I'm going to be unsubscribing. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1120041951" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:45:56 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1120041951 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just posting this before I unsubscribe to let you fine folks know why. It isn't that I don't like the LD group or reading the messages. However, there's just too much activity in my mail box. Perhaps the moderator of this mailing list might consider setting up a proper Bulletin Board System? Something that I can visit every couple of days and browse through? At any rate, I just wanted to say that I'm un subscribing out of necessity and not from lack of interest. I'll just read the archives and re subscribe if I have anything important enough to contribute. Carl -------------------------------1120041951 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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It isn't that I don't like the LD group or reading the messages. Howeve= r,=20 there's just too much activity in my mail box. Perhaps the moderator of this= =20 mailing list might consider setting up a proper Bulletin Board System? Somet= hing=20 that I can visit every couple of days and browse through?
 
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 -------------------------------1120041951-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 11:02:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B7823BFCC; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050629114741.02b867a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:58:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: RE:Live Insect Looping? In-Reply-To: <20050629102558.CC7F73BFB3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050629102558.CC7F73BFB3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:02:31 +0000 (UTC) At 11:25 29/06/05, you wrote: >...what I really wonder is if >someone has used live insects in a live performance setting. It Mira Calix, an artist on Warp Records has done this. http://www.miracalix.com/ ...and of course the Grateful Dead had crickets andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 11:19:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C32FC3BFC5; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006a01c57c9c$661ff540$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> From: "Ben" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4AF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: programs that "create" music for you (was: Live Insect Looping?) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:19:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:19:25 +0000 (UTC) From: "Hartung, Kris" Oh now you're out of control, Ben. :) >>> LOL!<<< Yes, very tempting idea. I like the interactive aspect. I wonder if there is a way to allow the audience to modify the effect and presets one uses? For instance, I'm laying down a loop, and some audience member tweaks something that switches my effect from something on my Boss VH1 to something on my computer, like Antares Filter. I'm afraid to ask what sort of contraption I would need to get audience input into a MIDI program change signal. A light based, effect grid projected on the wall that was touch sensitive by a pencil-like laser would be an easy way. You could hand a few lasers out and let the audience go hog wild....could also get annoying for a musician after a while too. >>> Perhaps you can have a look to this >>> http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/index.php? Lots of ideas,... I was also thinking of buing some cheap midi controllers (like the behringer ones) or theremins and give them to the audience. The point is: how to get them back after the show? The advantage of sounder (try the free demo, the site has been reloaded lately, so perhaps some good upgrade will be available soon) is that you can chosse a specific chord to jam over. The objects bounce inside a square triggering a note when they touch the sides (up to 4 notes). You can easily change the mood by relaunching an object in another direction,another speed,... Anyway, letting someone (the audience or a SW tool) create some base on top of which you can add layers can bring you in un-expected directions. <<< Btw, I'm still warming up to the idea of programs that "create" music for me....it either scares me, or intrigues me...one, the other ,or both... >>>Sound and Vision are linked and I can't myself see one without the other >>>(see also coagula on http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm). I've always been interesting by the "moving lights" (scanner, robocolor,...) that follow the music. IMHO, it's more interresting to listen to a tune in WinAmp with the visualization turned on. I recently tested some realtime rendering tools (http://www.vjcentral.com) but I would need a PC for audio (mobius/VST) and another for the visual effects + a LCD projector or 10 LCD screens ;-) Too expensive for the time beeing ;-) <<< Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 11:26:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A67113BFD0; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007101c57c9d$53baade0$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Clavia (was: Website: www.jo-jena.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:25:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I'm asking myself: how many on this list are also on the modular one? I think Per is, me, Johannes?,... Has any of you used the G2 as a live looping tool? I think the delay is limited to about 10 sec, but you can put anything in the FB path,... Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "johannes hätscher" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com > check this out: http://www.clavia.se/products/nordmodular/software.htm > > Here you can download the NEW Modular for free: In this Demo version, > not the DSP of the hardware unit is needed, but the DSP from your > computer. > There > is no MIDI, no polyphony, no Effects and - as I believe (sad!) - no Audio > Input > in the Demo. BUT - you can generate and save! - self generating patches. > > Check out for examples (this examples are from the old modular geration 1, > the patches can NOT be used for generation 2): > > http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/%7Eclark/nordmodularbook/nm_algorithmic.html#noodle > s > > And with this demo it´s for free (the original unit is really expensive). > Unbelievable, isn´t it!? (Don´t forget to check out all the nice filter > modules > and the sequencing - modules) > > Cheers, > > J.J. > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 12:26 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > > Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a few of > us on this list here, myself included, who play primary acoustic out live. > I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify in terms > of > tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig, but I always > end > up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the dynamics of the > instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of playing the electric > guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say that the electric guitar > sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange transformation that happened to > me a few years ago after all that time of not giving the acoustic a > chance, > only having a nylon string classical guitar in the corner of the room that > I > picked up once in a while. I still use the electric in the studio though, > because it is convenienet to pick up and play at 3am and not waking anyone > up. > > Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johannes hätscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I really > appreciate it! > @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don´t use a slide at all. > There are several > cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards. Then, > a > Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is added. But > I´m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III". "Rhythm I" > was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla player. Here I fed my > regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some guitar sounds. Again, a nord > modular self generating patch is heard in the background (it is actually a > granular synthesis - adaption, as it can be found in jim clarks advanced > book for nord modular users - somewhere online). When it comes to looping, > I > really experimented a lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. Here, I > recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5 overdubbed > guitars. > Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. > I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to it. > Equipment: Fostex D - 80, > Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II (333 > MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: Nord > Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an acoustic > guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I´m very much interested in > looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not generally - do not > believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising with bandmates > (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others in a studio > environment (with lots of techniques), but the useable structures in my > work > were at about 10 Percent of the Material. > In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I lack > the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and > spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it comes, > and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play "hazard"). > > J.J. > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > > I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice job, > J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce > some > tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping music, > but > in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in the US for me, > or > for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet thought-mood > provoking. > > ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on the > first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this evening > at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll be > inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that I can > set > the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. > > Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are using? > I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Zürich. > > I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. > > Cheers, > > Kris > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Hi Jo, > > That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for more > listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons > licensing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes hätscher wrote: > >> >> Hi there! >> >> My Name is Jo Jena and I´m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. >> You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the >> english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that >> follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the >> GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II", >> "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" >> (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" >> and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy >> to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! >> Thank you very much for your patience! >> >> Sincerly Yours, >> >> J.J. >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 11:46:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD2C63BFC1; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <006a01c57c9c$661ff540$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4AF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <006a01c57c9c$661ff540$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Best moving grafix from mp3 playback (was: Re: programs that "create" music for you (was: Live Insect Looping?) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:46:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:46:45 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 29, 2005, at 13:19, Ben wrote: 8< 8< 8< 8< .... > moving lights" (scanner, robocolor,...) that follow the music. > IMHO, it's more interresting to listen to a tune in WinAmp with the > visualization turned on. Hey, Ben... yuou should really check out Sonique! It gives the best moving graphics but runs only under Windows. Version 1.96 is still better than the newer beta. Download at http://sonique.lycos.com/ . Also be sure to download the best visual plug-ins from the archive. I wish I had "SoftWindows" on this Mac only to run Sonique! ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 11:59:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A1BC3BFD1; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007101c57c9d$53baade0$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> References: <007101c57c9d$53baade0$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14BF1333-FD43-44EA-AB2D-B18D19A996D0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Clavia (was: Website: www.jo-jena.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:59:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:59:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 29, 2005, at 13:25, Ben wrote: > Hello, > > I'm asking myself: how many on this list are also on the modular one? > I think Per is, No, not yet. But I wish I had one ;-) However, I sometimes improvise music with a guy (Per Ahlund) that has the modular one and I love his sounds! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 12:20:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C46E3BF9A; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?johannes_h=E4tscher?= To: Subject: AW: Clavia (was: Website: www.jo-jena.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:16:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <14BF1333-FD43-44EA-AB2D-B18D19A996D0@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:20:19 +0000 (UTC) As I already said, the greatest advancement of the Modular (with its good interface, imagine editing all this synths using code) is the possibility to generate self generating patches/soundscapes. You get really complex sounds! Not programmable! You can do that very good with the afforementioned DEMO - version as well as with the "micro - modular" (out of stock but you can purchase a very cheap unit via e-bay). I´m thinking about that...(Because as I said: I selled my G1 Modular) For feeding its new delay (10s? )with external audio input, you need the full G2 hardware - thats right! -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 14:00 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Clavia (was: Website: www.jo-jena.com) On Jun 29, 2005, at 13:25, Ben wrote: > Hello, > > I'm asking myself: how many on this list are also on the modular one? > I think Per is, No, not yet. But I wish I had one ;-) However, I sometimes improvise music with a guy (Per Ahlund) that has the modular one and I love his sounds! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 13:17:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45DD83BF30; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:17:22 +0200 Message-ID: <015101c57cac$e5abfc40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:17:38 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: johannes h=E4tscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] > Sent: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 12:06 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com >=20 > Equipment: Fostex D - 80, > Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II = (333 > MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha > DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: Nord Modular. Well, I = sold > this > great instruments > and bought myself an acoustic guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. This is interesting. I could never let go of a rig that supported me in creating the kind of sounds you did! But since you're going back to the guitar, I'd love to hear examples of that, too, if it's possible. > Still > I=B4m very much interested > in looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not generally - = do > not > believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising > with bandmates (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others = in a > studio environment (with > lots of techniques), but the useable structures in my work were at = about > 10 > Percent of the Material. > In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I = lack > the skills, to be honest) > I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and spontaneous inventions are > interesting, but you never know, when it comes, and this is not, what = an > audience payed the price for (to play "hazard"). This is an interesting point of view. I actually think that the audience WILL pay for this! Of course there's a risk. But the artist takes the = same risk as the audience. You have a pretty harsh selection policy if what you published is 10% of = the original material! But I'm convinced that, at a live performance, if you're focussed and = manage to focus the audience, too, and draw from the emerging energy, the sound will be far beyond those 10%, even beyond 100% ;). And thank you, Kris and others, for pointing the attention to Jo's = music! I was going to listen to it, but not so soon ;) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 13:53:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03D43BF4A; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=llmAj2+hsrW0mIgw7B1qg4egxZYeYEBGXaBa17gghP+t3IEb//otNAxedm59ZzESqdyIrtEH7g+zEhWkJc6MBY8qbUuhM1kH9IwKZ2zoBvJ6uZVq1dig2zvAlMd74pMPQLJ9uPLo9MIibb5WOEvjyxREZL2b05ZsJIxqmGISJ9s= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:53:43 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm going to be unsubscribing. In-Reply-To: <76.562fdffc.2ff3d5df@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <76.562fdffc.2ff3d5df@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:46 +0000 (UTC) You might try the digest option, which cuts down the inbox clutter to one or two Looper's Delight mailings a day. On 6/29/05, RobotFan@aol.com wrote: > =20 > I'm just posting this before I unsubscribe to let you fine folks know why= .=20 > =20 > It isn't that I don't like the LD group or reading the messages. However, > there's just too much activity in my mail box. Perhaps the moderator of t= his > mailing list might consider setting up a proper Bulletin Board System? > Something that I can visit every couple of days and browse through?=20 > =20 > At any rate, I just wanted to say that I'm un subscribing out of necessit= y > and not from lack of interest.=20 > =20 > I'll just read the archives and re subscribe if I have anything important > enough to contribute.=20 > =20 > Carl=20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 14:08:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76D283BF4D; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003f01c57cb4$10fb9d90$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <001d01c57c3e$75851640$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:05:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:08:50 +0000 (UTC) > Four-Tet's new CD. I'm not sure I'm 100% into it, but I'll keep spinning > it > to see how we do together... > > What's the most recent CD/Music you've pruchased that clearly had some > looping on it? I just picked up Steve Roach's "Mystic Chords and Sacred Spirits. Disk 1&2" excellent ambient/looped stuff. I've only listened once, but I think this'll be in the player quite often. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 14:14:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7395D3BF48; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bPjuRGrhZZpJFOloVEbCHXvXgMkD7SRLFz/dtNSdghzP9tYFpkz4ur3/RoBpqIrUlFgEmPzFJozntlWoZ98LKLloH/8FxKxmh8PYryJhFuve3o11u3LkgaGkk9JQyBifFhteOmkl92wyfhh9i8G4c/csVPlf/BIVCZFy/fjzZ7M= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:14:54 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: programs that "create" music for you (was: Live Insect Looping?) In-Reply-To: <006a01c57c9c$661ff540$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4AF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <006a01c57c9c$661ff540$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:14:56 +0000 (UTC) I think you have a different working definition of "easy" than most of us, unless you mean "easy for me to type up the idea"... I remember Todd Rundgren did a tour where the audience were given PS-2 type controllers to provide input on some aspect of the music. He said they got stolen or broken virtually 100% of the time.... On 6/29/05, Ben wrote: > From: "Hartung, Kris" > Oh now you're out of control, Ben. :) >=20 > >>> LOL!<<< >=20 > Yes, very tempting idea. I like the interactive aspect. I wonder if ther= e > is a way to allow the audience to modify the effect and presets one uses? > For instance, I'm laying down a loop, and some audience member tweaks > something that switches my effect from something on my Boss VH1 to someth= ing > on my computer, like Antares Filter. I'm afraid to ask what sort of > contraption I would need to get audience input into a MIDI program change > signal. A light based, effect grid projected on the wall that was touch > sensitive by a pencil-like laser would be an easy way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 14:24:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC41D3BF4B; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.436043 secs Process 7940) Message-ID: <49308.213.100.44.58.1120055052.squirrel@213.100.44.58> In-Reply-To: <39C7D4AE-47B2-4D19-8827-48E8CF58FE61@boysen.se> References: <01e601c57c3c$5d0f4150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <001d01c57c3e$75851640$0affff0a@hppav> <39C7D4AE-47B2-4D19-8827-48E8CF58FE61@boysen.se> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:24:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Gang Gang Dance "God's Money"!!! not typically looping but worth a listen. reminds me a bit of Asa Chang & Junray weird blend of styles. maybe more looping flavour: i also listen a lot to Tim Hecker "Mirages" ps: Per, i also have a strange feeling when listening to "Multiply". Sittin On The Dock of The Bay covers and so many more. well done but somehow fakely un-crunchy. I never got the chance to see him live but a friend shld invite him to play to Sthlm this fall. his previous album "Muddlin Gear" is fucking brilliant. ________________________________________ Stéphane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | > On Jun 29, 2005, at 2:06, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> What's the most recent CD/Music you've pruchased that clearly had some >> looping on it? > > > No CD's bought lately, but I purchased some music digitally on iTunes > and Bleep (Warp Records). > > 1. Eivind Aarset: Connected. > This is one of the most uplifting discs I've come across in a long > time. Here's listening all the time... > > 2. Jon Hassell: Maarifa Street. > As a long time Hassell fan I'm always interested on those rare > occasions when he releases something. > > 3. Jamie Lidell: Multiply. > Having heard the talking about Jamie's fantastic live sets (vocal mic > into Max armed laptop) I was very curious on this album. He is an > excellently soulful singer but I can't listen too much to his music > because it always gives me that feeling that I can use my time in a > better way, already having heard Marvin Gaye, Prince e all. > > 4. MARS VOLTA: Francis the Mute. > Not precisely live looping since Omar (guitarrist, producer) did most > of the looping in the studio, applied to the entire mix or submixes > of certain tracks. A great prog rock disc picking up the vibes from > early Zeppelin and Yes (Relayer). > > 5. Best Of Santana (anthology). > Gave this CD to my bro for his birthday. No looping per definition > but Carlos is heard copying himself all through this disc... ;-) > They were a great band! I especially like listening to the keyboard > player. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 14:42:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6BC23BF54; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.299254 secs Process 10489) Message-ID: <49427.213.100.44.58.1120056144.squirrel@213.100.44.58> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4B0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.ne t> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4B0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:42:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about playing live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a bit disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm wondering... ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit ________________________________________ Stéphane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | > Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a few of > us on this list here, myself included, who play primary acoustic out live. > I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify in terms > of tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig, but I > always end up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the dynamics of > the instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of playing the > electric guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say that the electric > guitar sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange transformation that > happened to me a few years ago after all that time of not giving the > acoustic a chance, only having a nylon string classical guitar in the > corner of the room that I picked up once in a while. I still use the > electric in the studio though, because it is convenienet to pick up and > play at 3am and not waking anyone up. > > Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johannes hätscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I really > appreciate it! > @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don´t use a slide at all. > There are several > cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards. Then, > a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is added. > But I´m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III". "Rhythm > I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla player. Here I fed > my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some guitar sounds. Again, a > nord modular self generating patch is heard in the background (it is > actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it can be found in jim clarks > advanced book for nord modular users - somewhere online). When it comes to > looping, I really experimented a lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. > Here, I recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5 overdubbed > guitars. Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. > I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to it. > Equipment: Fostex D - 80, > Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II (333 > MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: Nord > Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an acoustic > guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I´m very much interested in > looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not generally - do not > believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising with bandmates > (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others in a studio > environment (with lots of techniques), but the useable structures in my > work were at about 10 Percent of the Material. > In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I lack > the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and > spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it comes, > and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play "hazard"). > > J.J. > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > > I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice job, > J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce > some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping > music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in the > US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet > thought-mood provoking. > > ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on the > first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this evening > at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll be > inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that I can > set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. > > Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are using? > I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Zürich. > > I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. > > Cheers, > > Kris > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Hi Jo, > > That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for more > listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons > licensing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes hätscher wrote: > >> >> Hi there! >> >> My Name is Jo Jena and I´m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. >> You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the >> english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but that >> follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the >> GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II", >> "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" >> (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" >> and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very happy >> to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! >> Thank you very much for your patience! >> >> Sincerly Yours, >> >> J.J. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 14:54:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067143BF43; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050629165403.rpcoy8p44m4kks8o@webmail.server.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:54:03 +0200 From: haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com References: <015101c57cac$e5abfc40$2101a8c0@alhambra> In-Reply-To: <015101c57cac$e5abfc40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:54:09 +0000 (UTC) > This is interesting. I could never let go of a rig that supported me in > creating the kind of sounds you did! Sorry, Mistake: I intented to write "instrument" not "instruments", so the only device I sold was the modular. The rest still belongs to me (so my maindevi= ce is now the t.c. G - major and the editing of digital recorded devices via P= lug Ins such as the InaGRM - Series). "But I'm convinced that, at a live performance, if you're focussed and mana= ge to focus the audience, too, and draw from the emerging energy, the sound will be far beyond those 10%, even beyond 100% ;)." Yeah, but you can=B4t control automated processes in way, as 4 musicians - = for example in a jazz environment do - can interact with themselfes. Look: Take= a bird and take a airplane. 1.) genius: nature 2.) apes in a metal box trying= to be a bird. In a way, Improvisers managing to master their tonal instruments over years of practising are the better machines (as the classic symphony orchetra is a better "synthesizer" for the composer than every modular can) than some Roland or echoplex - chips. I believe in electronic technology, b= ut it needs a situation as in laboratory life (and this is were it emerged historically, next to edison, bell laboratories and other universities: it = is more about experimentation then about life performing, that comes out of a more medieval/christian culture in western terms or religious or folk - rituals in a more universal focus). And take a string - quartett - aesthetic, isn=B4t it= ? People behind knobes? Not so much ladies in the audience, right? Uuuh, heav= y discussion themes emerging.... Cheers, Johannes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:06:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58E983BF32; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <201.4939e3e.2ff412be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:05:34 EDT Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... To: obadia@clumsybeats.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:06:13 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 6/29/05 7:24:36 AM, obadia@clumsybeats.org writes: << St=E9phane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org >> Hi St=E9phane I checked out your 'dust' album at clumsybeats a few weeks ago and really=20 liked it, and had been meaning to let you know. I especially liked track 5,=20 crooked grind variation - very tasty. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:10:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B9E3BF58; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hC4FPV4TlxxHYwtU57ipUz8fpHqLcQfyu/qtUu4igEyczZYeJf51T22/t68T059h5dV4alBPOi4QYKi86+jPLJDQqziAPcnO9/vDY8YXX+y6gGOer0tHyp4qol4cLehz5hzGqT7yuyKv6Jr5UOFJ7OV7elOPRq1qkqTyCcQ2k3E= Message-ID: <64b81a7805062908104a93c29a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:10:36 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Re: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com In-Reply-To: <49427.213.100.44.58.1120056144.squirrel@213.100.44.58> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4B0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <49427.213.100.44.58.1120056144.squirrel@213.100.44.58> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:10:40 +0000 (UTC) In my experience a simple pre-amp can go a long way to warming up the piezo sounds. I bought myself a Fishman Pro EQ Platinum and love it. (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/src=3DSearchDex/search/detail/base_pid= /303132) It's got a 4-band eq (low, sweepable-mid, high, & "brilliance") plus a little compressor, phase switch, etc. I run my Takamine classical through it as well as my Parker's piezos & my Ovation. In an afternoon of tweaking I was able to get clear natural sounds from the classical & accoustic and shape up the Parker's peizos so that they actually sound like an accoustic as well. For serious recording I still drop a mic in front of the guitar and blend that in, but the Fishman will get you 90% of the way there all by itself. Of course, the other requisite is good amplification. You need full range and a guitar amp won't cut it for accoustics & classicals. I put together a little 150W stereo PA from Carvin and love that too.=20 Quite a bit to carry around though. Hope this helps, Todd On 6/29/05, obadia wrote: > Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about playing > live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a bit > disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm > wondering... >=20 > ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel > with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:12:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C2C13BF59; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <53.2a7e9444.2ff41447@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:12:07 EDT Subject: Re: RE:Live Insect Looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:12:12 +0000 (UTC) << >...what I really wonder is if >someone has used live insects in a live performance setting. >> On the album Heart of the Forest there is much insect background drone, track 8 has insects cicadalike chirping so loud it is a shimmering wall of sound. The human voices play against it and the insects seem to directly respond although that may be an artifact of the mic dynamics. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:14:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9BA3BF77; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:14:38 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F508@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Thread-index: AcV8uMJHMDPKVPSgT5GGXERDrVgfiwAAn/Cg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 15:14:40.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[451CB6A0:01C57CBD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:14:49 +0000 (UTC) I use a Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar, which has the Fishman pickup = system. Here is the pickup description on the Taylor website. They are = right under the white bridge. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=3D310-CE "Taylor Expression System(tm) Designed to faithfully reproduce your guitar's native tone, the = Expression System(tm) utilizes patented Dynamic Sensors(tm) to capture = top and string vibration like never before. Created in partnership with = renowned audio pioneer, Mr. Rupert Neve, the Taylor ES is seamlessly = integrated into the design of the guitar from the ground up. Onboard = tone controls provide added flavor, or set flat for an uncolored, = exceptionally clean amplified sound."=20 I have a decent condensor mic for recording, but I hate recording with = mics....and I am very happy with this system with the type of tone = altering music I am playing. I think it sounds very natural. I am = thinking of buying one of the Taylor nylon string guitars as well, = different pickup system, but still no condensor mic. In either case, if were playing classical, jazz, or folk, where I'm not = using tons of chorus, reverb, and delay on my tone...I would go to a = mic. I don't know, what do you think of this tone? = http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen (Listent to the sample of the second = track, "Places". Kris -----Original Message----- From: obadia [mailto:obadia@clumsybeats.org]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about = playing live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a = bit disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm = wondering... ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel = with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit ________________________________________ St=E9phane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | > Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a=20 > few of us on this list here, myself included, who play primary = acoustic out live. > I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify in=20 > terms of tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig,=20 > but I always end up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the=20 > dynamics of the instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of=20 > playing the electric guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say=20 > that the electric guitar sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange=20 > transformation that happened to me a few years ago after all that time = > of not giving the acoustic a chance, only having a nylon string=20 > classical guitar in the corner of the room that I picked up once in a=20 > while. I still use the electric in the studio though, because it is=20 > convenienet to pick up and play at 3am and not waking anyone up. > > Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johannes h=E4tscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I=20 > really appreciate it! > @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don=B4t use a slide = at all. > There are several > cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards.=20 > Then, a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is = added. > But I=B4m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III".=20 > "Rhythm I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla=20 > player. Here I fed my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some=20 > guitar sounds. Again, a nord modular self generating patch is heard in = > the background (it is actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it=20 > can be found in jim clarks advanced book for nord modular users -=20 > somewhere online). When it comes to looping, I really experimented a = lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. > Here, I recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5=20 > overdubbed guitars. Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. > I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to = it. > Equipment: Fostex D - 80, > Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II=20 > (333 MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: = > Nord Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an = > acoustic > guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I=B4m very much=20 > interested in looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not=20 > generally - do not believe in live electronic. Live I prefer=20 > improvising with bandmates (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming=20 > with others in a studio environment (with lots of techniques), but the = > useable structures in my work were at about 10 Percent of the = Material. > In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I=20 > lack the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and = > spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it=20 > comes, and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play = "hazard"). > > J.J. > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > > I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice=20 > job, J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to=20 > produce some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in = > looping music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am=20 > here in the US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very=20 > calming, yet thought-mood provoking. > > ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on = the > first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this = evening > at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll = > be inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that=20 > I can set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. > > Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are = using? > I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Z=FCrich. > > I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. > > Cheers, > > Kris > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Hi Jo, > > That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for=20 > more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative=20 > Commons licensing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes h=E4tscher wrote: > >> >> Hi there! >> >> My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. >> You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the=20 >> english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but=20 >> that follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with = >> the GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone=20 >> II", "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" >> (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" >> and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very=20 >> happy to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! >> Thank you very much for your patience! >> >> Sincerly Yours, >> >> J.J. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:18:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDC573BF7E; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:18:12 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F511@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Thread-index: AcV8vLkP23IoFjtURIepjxu/CQ23QAAAKuiQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: "Loopers' Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 15:18:13.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[C496AF80:01C57CBD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Good full range amplification....totally agreed! I use two Electro-Voice SxA100 Powered Speakers (12" speaker and horn in each). You like that Fishman, eh? I like them too. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:11 AM To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Re: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com In my experience a simple pre-amp can go a long way to warming up the piezo sounds. I bought myself a Fishman Pro EQ Platinum and love it. (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/src=3DSearchDex/search/detail/base_p= i d/303132) It's got a 4-band eq (low, sweepable-mid, high, & "brilliance") plus a little compressor, phase switch, etc. I run my Takamine classical through it as well as my Parker's piezos & my Ovation. In an afternoon of tweaking I was able to get clear natural sounds from the classical & accoustic and shape up the Parker's peizos so that they actually sound like an accoustic as well. For serious recording I still drop a mic in front of the guitar and blend that in, but the Fishman will get you 90% of the way there all by itself. Of course, the other requisite is good amplification. You need full range and a guitar amp won't cut it for accoustics & classicals. I put together a little 150W stereo PA from Carvin and love that too.=20 Quite a bit to carry around though. Hope this helps, Todd On 6/29/05, obadia wrote: > Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about=20 > playing live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a=20 > bit disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm=20 > wondering... >=20 > ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel=20 > with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:25:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5DF3BF7D; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:27:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Thread-Index: AcV8uPeJmhTwcJRvQ0iFHU5qkPQ+vAABW/xQ From: "Brian" To: , Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:25:59 +0000 (UTC) I have little experience with nylon string guitar pickups, but depending = on some things you may want to look into the McIntyre mic "system" you = won't have to make any real modifications to the guitar, assuming you = have an endpin jack already on it, this will give you a more natural = sound than any piezo, but since it is a mic, placement is important and = feedback can be an issue at loud volumes (and "bleeding" can be a = factor, of course, depending on how loud you are playing), and another = disadvantage is there is no onboard volume and tone control (this may or = may not be a factor for you). The Trance Audio Amulet system is the = best Acoustic guitar pickup available (you can put into any guitar), = IMO. But I've never heard one in a nylon stringed guitar, but they do = produce the full range an acoustic guitar can make, thumps, taps, etc... = (this is what Michael Hedges used along with a Sunrise, but the Amulet = was the most important part)FWIW. A cheaper choice might be the IBeam = by LR Baggs. Kris- You posted the ES system literature, which is in another world = compared to the Fishman system, and cannot be retrofittable to an = acoustic gutiar other than a Taylor. Just for the record. :) The ES = system is the best overall pickup on the market IMO, but you do need to = have a Taylor and $500+ to get one. =20 -----Original Message----- From: obadia [mailto:obadia@clumsybeats.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about = playing live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a bit disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm wondering... ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit ________________________________________ St=E9phane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | > Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a = few of > us on this list here, myself included, who play primary acoustic out = live. > I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify in = terms > of tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig, but I > always end up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the dynamics = of > the instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of playing the > electric guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say that the = electric > guitar sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange transformation that > happened to me a few years ago after all that time of not giving the > acoustic a chance, only having a nylon string classical guitar in the > corner of the room that I picked up once in a while. I still use the > electric in the studio though, because it is convenienet to pick up = and > play at 3am and not waking anyone up. > > Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johannes h=E4tscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I = really > appreciate it! > @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don=B4t use a slide = at all. > There are several > cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards. = Then, > a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is = added. > But I=B4m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III". = "Rhythm > I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla player. Here I = fed > my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some guitar sounds. Again, = a > nord modular self generating patch is heard in the background (it is > actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it can be found in jim = clarks > advanced book for nord modular users - somewhere online). When it = comes to > looping, I really experimented a lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - = In. > Here, I recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5 = overdubbed > guitars. Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. > I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to = it. > Equipment: Fostex D - 80, > Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II = (333 > MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: Nord > Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an = acoustic > guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I=B4m very much = interested in > looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not generally - do = not > believe in live electronic. Live I prefer improvising with bandmates > (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming with others in a studio > environment (with lots of techniques), but the useable structures in = my > work were at about 10 Percent of the Material. > In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I = lack > the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and > spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it = comes, > and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play = "hazard"). > > J.J. > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > > I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice = job, > J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to produce > some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in looping > music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am here in = the > US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very calming, yet > thought-mood provoking. > > ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on = the > first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this = evening > at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll = be > inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that I = can > set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. > > Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are = using? > I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Z=FCrich. > > I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. > > Cheers, > > Kris > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Hi Jo, > > That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for = more > listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative Commons > licensing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes h=E4tscher wrote: > >> >> Hi there! >> >> My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. >> You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the >> english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but = that >> follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with the >> GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone II", >> "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" >> (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" >> and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very = happy >> to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! >> Thank you very much for your patience! >> >> Sincerly Yours, >> >> J.J. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:26:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF8C3BF85; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050629112631.im1g8uxsjig4sowk@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:26:31 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F508@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F508@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:26:35 +0000 (UTC) I installed a condenser in the guitar (did my own wiring of a radioshack condenser but more recently have been playing with their lapel mic and tweaking the circuitry) and blend that with the installed under the bridge pick-up using a Mixpro. It works nicely. Until recently I was simply using the condenser mic as it picks up thumpings on the guitar body as well as singing into the soundhole. An example of a live tune is at http://www.michaelplishka.com/music.htm where I only used the condenser. This simplifies my setup considerably for solo live perfomance. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:26:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4F43BF92; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.3efe0e4a.2ff417ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:26:36 EDT Subject: Re: (acoustic guitar) piezo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:26:42 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 6/29/05 8:10:56 AM, calenlas@gmail.com writes: << In my experience a simple pre-amp can go a long way to warming up the piezo sounds. >> This has popped up a few times on other lists and might be of use to some: http://scotthelmke.com/Mint-box-buffer.html BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:38:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2479C3BF91; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Taylor Expression System Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:37:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcV8uMJHMDPKVPSgT5GGXERDrVgfiwAAn/CgAAEpYVA= In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F508@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20050629153759.TGLA1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <0P00uB.A.WOF.eBswCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:38:07 +0000 (UTC) I have a 812 and I don't think the Expression is a Fishman. If it has round flat knobs (three of 'em) it's the Expression. Those pickups are not under the saddle--they are magnetic and there are several of them. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/features/expression_tonalquality.html Gary -----Original Message----- Hartung, Kris You wrote: I use a Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar, which has the Fishman pickup system. Here is the pickup description on the Taylor website. They are right under the white bridge. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=310-CE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:39:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC803BF69; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:39:32 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F52E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Thread-index: AcV8uPeJmhTwcJRvQ0iFHU5qkPQ+vAABW/xQAAB5/wA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 15:39:34.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFC85730:01C57CC0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:39:36 +0000 (UTC) >> Kris- You posted the ES system literature, which is in another world = compared to the Fishman system, and cannot be retrofittable to an = acoustic gutiar other than a Taylor. Just for the record. :) The ES = system is the best overall pickup on the market IMO, but you do need to = have a Taylor and $500+ to get one. =20 Damn, you are right...they upgraded, but I definitely have the Fishman = preamp in my Taylor, with the three EQ sliders, brilliance slider, = frequency adjuster, etc. They must have made the change in that and = other model? Nor for their nylons, they have the Fishman(tm) Prefix = Pro=AE in many of them. =20 Hell I don't know about these things, I just play the thing, and if it = sounds good, then I don't complain! :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: obadia [mailto:obadia@clumsybeats.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about = playing live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a = bit disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm = wondering... ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel = with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit ________________________________________ St=E9phane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | > Nice to see you were drawn to the acoustic guitar, J.J. There are a=20 > few of us on this list here, myself included, who play primary = acoustic out live. > I think it is a wonderful instrument to loop, but also to modify in=20 > terms of tone. Occasionally, I take out my electric guitar to a gig,=20 > but I always end up going back to the acoustic. It's the tone, the=20 > dynamics of the instrument, the resillance, etc....after 25 years of=20 > playing the electric guitar, I never thought I would hear myself say=20 > that the electric guitar sounds sterile to me now. It was a strange=20 > transformation that happened to me a few years ago after all that time = > of not giving the acoustic a chance, only having a nylon string=20 > classical guitar in the corner of the room that I picked up once in a=20 > while. I still use the electric in the studio though, because it is=20 > convenienet to pick up and play at 3am and not waking anyone up. > > Nord Modular...interesting looking unit: > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/concept.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johannes h=E4tscher [mailto:haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Thank you very much for your kind comments concerning my music. I=20 > really appreciate it! > @Kris Hartung: On 3.1. - "entrance to gresham" I don=B4t use a slide = at all. > There are several > cubase recorded notes of "d" by the guitar, being played backwards.=20 > Then, a Nord - Modular - "noodle", selfgenerating several d - notes is = added. > But I=B4m using a regular metal slide on "drone II" and "drone III".=20 > "Rhythm I" was done in a jam with willi kappich, a german tabla=20 > player. Here I fed my regular t.c. - g - major delay unit with some=20 > guitar sounds. Again, a nord modular self generating patch is heard in = > the background (it is actually a granular synthesis - adaption, as it=20 > can be found in jim clarks advanced book for nord modular users -=20 > somewhere online). When it comes to looping, I really experimented a = lot with the InaGRM "shuffle" Plug - In. > Here, I recorded little harmonic and rhythmic tracks with 3 - 5=20 > overdubbed guitars. Then I fed the plug - In with that soundfile. > I recorded the slider movements that worked and added other sounds to = it. > Equipment: Fostex D - 80, > Mackie 1202, tc m 300 and lexicon mpx 100, tascam us 224, Pentium II=20 > (333 MHZ!), Strat, Yamaha DG - 20 Midi guitar and then very important: = > Nord Modular. Well, I sold this great instruments and bought myself an = > acoustic > guitar: I wanna come back to the guitar. Still I=B4m very much=20 > interested in looping and odd meters. Generally, I - personally! not=20 > generally - do not believe in live electronic. Live I prefer=20 > improvising with bandmates (regularly, jazz - wise). I prefer jamming=20 > with others in a studio environment (with lots of techniques), but the = > useable structures in my work were at about 10 Percent of the = Material. > In traditional Improvisation, it is even more. And when composing (I=20 > lack the skills, to be honest) I believe in 100 Percent. Accidents and = > spontaneous inventions are interesting, but you never know, when it=20 > comes, and this is not, what an audience payed the price for (to play = "hazard"). > > J.J. > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 11:45 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > > I'm listenign to Nr.3 now....very captivating and intriguing. Nice=20 > job, J.J. Are you using a glass slide on that song? You manage to=20 > produce some tones and a feel that I don't hear too often, not just in = > looping music, but in music in general...either because it is 3:36am=20 > here in the US for me, or for other reasons, your music is very=20 > calming, yet thought-mood provoking. > > ...just now getting to Rhythm 'n Drones....beautifully clean guitar on = the > first tune...almost a "jazz" tone. I'll think of your music this = evening > at my gig where I'll be playing the tablas over my guitar loops. I'll = > be inventing of some ways on the spot to lay down soundscapes so that=20 > I can set the guitar down, sit on the floor, and solo on the tablas. > > Would you mind telling us what sort of instruments and gear you are = using? > I'm surprised not to see your name at the Loopfestival Z=FCrich. > > I'll be adding you to my favorite loopers list on my website. > > Cheers, > > Kris > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com > > Hi Jo, > > That's some fine music you posted. Thanks! Will return many times for=20 > more listening. It's also cool to see someone using the Creative=20 > Commons licensing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > On Jun 29, 2005, at 0:30, johannes h=E4tscher wrote: > >> >> Hi there! >> >> My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. >> You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com for free (the=20 >> english text info still has to be edited by a native speaker: but=20 >> that follows soon, sorry for that). Well, I totally fell in love with = >> the GRM Shuffle Plug In and my t.c. delay, so on Files like "drone=20 >> II", "Drone III", "drone IV", "Nr.1 - 4" >> (Soundscape Series), "instauration", "rhythm I", "rhythm IV" >> and "heisse Luft" there is really a lot looping! I would be very=20 >> happy to reach more people interested in this topic with my music! >> Thank you very much for your patience! >> >> Sincerly Yours, >> >> J.J. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:42:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA2CF3BF67; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Taylor Expression System Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:41:47 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F532@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Taylor Expression System Thread-index: AcV8uMJHMDPKVPSgT5GGXERDrVgfiwAAn/CgAAEpYVAAAEHJkA== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 15:41:48.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FE69830:01C57CC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:42:12 +0000 (UTC) The one in my taylor is this one: http://www.fishman.com/products/details.asp?id=3D35 Taylor caught me by surprise with that Expression system. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Taylor Expression System I have a 812 and I don't think the Expression is a Fishman. If it has round flat knobs (three of 'em) it's the Expression. Those pickups are not under the saddle--they are magnetic and there are several of them. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/features/expression_tonalquality.ht ml Gary -----Original Message----- Hartung, Kris You wrote: I use a Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar, which has the Fishman pickup system. Here is the pickup description on the Taylor website. They are right under the white bridge. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=3D310-CE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 15:46:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CF453BF82; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: RE: Taylor Expression System MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:48:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Taylor Expression System Thread-Index: AcV8uMJHMDPKVPSgT5GGXERDrVgfiwAAn/CgAAEpYVAAAD4z8A== From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: <21t9s.A.nqF.rJswCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Bingo.... I have an 814, but I have the Fishman, and I'm waiting to hear = some more reviews of the retro-fittable ES. The ES sounds amazing, but = the retrofit is different in the 3rd sensor placement, and I'm curious = how this affects the overall tone. Besides the Amulet, the ES is the = most remarkable innovation in Acoustic amplification to come along, IMO. = =20 Gary - do you use the ES? Thoughts? =20 Kris - you do get some nice sound out of your Fishman, but I'd check out = an ES equipped Taylor next time you are at a store, the natural tone is = incredible (but who know how it will sound when you put a bunch of = effects on it). Like I mentioned, they do make a retrofit able version = for us non-ES Taylor owners. =20 I've been seriously considering the upgrade since they introduced the = option. Though it is "pricy." -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Taylor Expression System I have a 812 and I don't think the Expression is a Fishman. If it has = round flat knobs (three of 'em) it's the Expression. Those pickups are not = under the saddle--they are magnetic and there are several of them. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/features/expression_tonalquality.htm= l Gary -----Original Message----- Hartung, Kris You wrote: I use a Taylor 310-CE acoustic guitar, which has the Fishman pickup = system. Here is the pickup description on the Taylor website. They are right = under the white bridge. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=3D310-CE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 16:15:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCC773BF5D; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hstoni+Ymw//7lu0fZ8UrnNzYT3HqIaBWZkQsSog7NOxeW+We0kVskoChukSNJ2gzaxvcBxaQ0zu++C/xlA/J7Ao9dHQfc+OpZjKNcOI1rnL6t1MtBC/QtXsu/Ba8skmDAjgYRqz39kNiUSba7ewaWM/IF9pPhwMr2UbajlVITI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:15:22 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: obadia@clumsybeats.org Subject: Re: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <49427.213.100.44.58.1120056144.squirrel@213.100.44.58> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F4B0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <49427.213.100.44.58.1120056144.squirrel@213.100.44.58> Resent-Message-ID: <2ECVKC.A.UlG.bkswCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:15:24 +0000 (UTC) In the Celtic folk band I play with, I use the following: 1) Larrivee acoustic (steel string) with B-Band AST (Acoustic Soundboard Transducer) and UST (Under Saddle Transducer) pickups into a B-Band preamp/mixer (A3 or A4, can't quite remember). 2) Mid-Missouri Mandolin with a Pick-up The World Mandolin pickup. It's a thin, film-transducer that rests under the instrument's bridge (held in place by the pressure from the mando's stings pushing on the bridge. 3) Both instruments are fed (via A/B box) into a Boss GT-6 for the purposes of levelling the volume outputs from the instruments and applying the occasional effect. (The GT6 is also used for the electric guitar during one song.) The output of the GT6 runs through a DI box straight to the board. I love the sound of the B-Band system. The ability to mix the depth of the AST with the brightness of the UST is great. My only complaint is that the output is pretty low. Enough so that I'm considering getting an external pre-amp like one of the LR Baggs systems or the Fishman mentioned elsewhere in this thread. I'm also quite fond of the Pick-up the World pickup. It was inexpensive and easy to install myself. The mandolin really sounds good through the PA. The only complaints: 1) again low output, and 2) the carpenter jack is the weak link. I definitely need to install an end-pin jack. BTW, my "low output" comparisons come from comparison to the outputs of my backup acoustic (an 80s, Korean-made "Vantage" brand) and my bandmate's old Godin A-series. Here's the links: www.b-band.com www.pick-uptheworld.com Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/29/05, obadia wrote: > Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about playing > live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a bit > disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm > wondering... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 16:21:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 710BB3BF77; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.6c376057.2ff42468@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:20:56 EDT Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.6c376057.2ff42468_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:21:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_7d.6c376057.2ff42468_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jo, In a message dated 6/28/05 3:34:58 PM, haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de writes= : > My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. > You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com >=20 Very nice stuff indeed!!! Since I do not read or understand German, it is not possible for me to tell (on first glance) if you have CDs for sale. Are any of your recordings available on disk? It ought to be . . . it's really that good. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_7d.6c376057.2ff42468_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jo,

In a message dated 6/28/05 3:34:58 PM, haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de writes= :

My Name is Jo Jena an= d I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany.
You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com

Very nice stuff indeed!!! Since I do not read or understand German, it
is not possible for me to tell (on first glance) if you have CDs for sale. Are any of your recordings available on disk? It ought to be . . . it's
really that good.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_7d.6c376057.2ff42468_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 16:26:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E21D3BF88; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050629182647.0ysoe70l2y4owgok@webmail.server.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:26:47 +0200 From: haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F511@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F511@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:26:52 +0000 (UTC) I think its worth checking out this stream of wolfgang muthspiel - gig: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzon3/pip/v8iv5 You need to forward it for about 30 - 40 minutes, when muthspiel picks up h= is acoustic for the first time: here he works with some loops. As far as I know, he is using framework - guitars: www.frameworks-guitars.com can=B4t afford them. I use a Alhambra 5P Cutaway. Great Sound with fishman preamp: mic/piezo (+ the great roland ac 60). Quoting "Hartung, Kris" : > Good full range amplification....totally agreed! I use two > Electro-Voice SxA100 Powered Speakers (12" speaker and horn in each). > You like that Fishman, eh? I like them too. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:11 AM > To: Loopers' Delight > Subject: Re: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com > > In my experience a simple pre-amp can go a long way to warming up the > piezo sounds. I bought myself a Fishman Pro EQ Platinum and love it. > (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/src=3DSearchDex/search/detail/base_p= i > d/303132) > > It's got a 4-band eq (low, sweepable-mid, high, & "brilliance") plus a > little compressor, phase switch, etc. I run my Takamine classical > through it as well as my Parker's piezos & my Ovation. In an afternoon > of tweaking I was able to get clear natural sounds from the classical & > accoustic and shape up the Parker's peizos so that they actually sound > like an accoustic as well. For serious recording I still drop a mic in > front of the guitar and blend that in, but the Fishman will get you 90% > of the way there all by itself. > > Of course, the other requisite is good amplification. You need full > range and a guitar amp won't cut it for accoustics & classicals. I put > together a little 150W stereo PA from Carvin and love that too. > Quite a bit to carry around though. > > Hope this helps, > Todd > > On 6/29/05, obadia wrote: >> Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about >> playing live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a >> bit disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm >> wondering... >> >> ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel >> with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 16:29:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 135F53BF91; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050629182911.lvg5yftaowg8gsss@webmail.server.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:29:11 +0200 From: haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com References: <7d.6c376057.2ff42468@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <7d.6c376057.2ff42468@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Thank you very much for your kind comments! There is a (still very bad written) english version of the site (push down left). Right now I do not plan to release CD=B4s, because my music can be downloaded entirely using a creativ= e commons - licence. Quoting ArsOcarina@aol.com: > Jo, > > In a message dated 6/28/05 3:34:58 PM, haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de wri= tes: > >> My Name is Jo Jena and I=B4m a musician from Frankfurt, Germany. >> You can download my guitar music at www.jo-jena.com >> > Very nice stuff indeed!!! Since I do not read or understand German, it > is not possible for me to tell (on first glance) if you have CDs for sale= . > Are any of your recordings available on disk? It ought to be . . . it's > really that good. > > Best regards, > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 16:33:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48D583BF94; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Taylor Expression System Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:33:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-index: AcV8uMJHMDPKVPSgT5GGXERDrVgfiwAAn/CgAAEpYVAAAD4z8AABWwQg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050629163343.ZPNW19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] wondered: Gary - do you use the ES? Thoughts? --->It's different! I played it for a friend of mine when I first got it and his words were, "It sounds like an electric." I don't think so . . . But we are so used to hearing that quacky piezo tone that our first reaction is that "it doesn't sound like an acoustic". I made a CD of cover tunes to give away as a favor at my wedding a year ago, and I began the recording process using the ES equipped guitar. Subsequent to that, I had to have the guitar worked on at Taylor (they are within half an hour drive, here in San Diego) and so I continued the process with my spare acoustic, a 410 with a Fishman. I could not put up with the difference in tone on the recording--and I am not a tone purist by any stretch of the imagination. The ES is "smooth"--and the tones you can get with the onboard tone controls are many and varied. I am especially glad of this because my main amplification in my strolling trio is a "tin can", the Anchor Audio Mini-Vox http://www.proaudiosuperstore.com/Anchor-Audio-PB25.html and even through that "joke sound system" I can get a great sound out of the Taylor. I am craving the T5 http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/t5/feature/Models.aspx?model=standard , and I haven't even heard it yet! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 17:19:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02533BF50; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050629182911.lvg5yftaowg8gsss@webmail.server.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <7d.6c376057.2ff42468@aol.com> <20050629182911.lvg5yftaowg8gsss@webmail.server.uni-frankfurt.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95181DDB-AEA6-4262-8C8B-8E4E78ED15B3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Website: www.jo-jena.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:19:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:19:30 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 29, 2005, at 18:29, haetsche@stud.uni-frankfurt.de wrote: > Thank you very much for your kind comments! There is a (still very bad > written) > english version of the site (push down left). Right now I do not =20 > plan to > release CD=B4s, because my music can be downloaded entirely using a =20= > creative > commons - licence. By mistake I first read the Info page in German. Then I re-read it in =20= English and found it fully accurate. At least according to my far =20 from fully developed German abilities. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 17:30:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4513BF77; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050629173005.62030.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: programs that "create" music for you (was: Live Insect Looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006a01c57c9c$661ff540$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:30:10 +0000 (UTC) I saw Todd Rundgren doing some schtick while working for Phillips promoting some game system (that failed) and on his TR-I show he had a pretty cool electronic gazebo that allowed him to give control of various elements to the audience... with both good and disasterous results. The moral of the story for me was that having interaction in your music is great... but know your partners and choose them wisely. Mark --- Ben wrote: > From: "Hartung, Kris" > Oh now you're out of control, Ben. :) > > >>> LOL!<<< > > Yes, very tempting idea. I like the interactive > aspect. I wonder if there > is a way to allow the audience to modify the effect > and presets one uses? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 17:42:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35DE3BF4C; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ivyWm9CtAmPbwmdKx3b5JHRqxAkKxfMl6Bl+r7e0klLLM8C0bLRhLHEMCNq+5wITb0iJvOMG7aKCR/a86QSKwcQYUSQ8Wvv3Ax9mUmWfv0tr8ZErIGRCPgnetq9pFkcP2mAC7/a7GQBIMokxk1blSxgmFv6BgmkXnViK/WiBkcQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:42:17 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: programs that "create" music for you (was: Live Insect Looping?) In-Reply-To: <20050629173005.62030.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <006a01c57c9c$661ff540$6502a8c0@Ruelle1> <20050629173005.62030.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Many audiences can't be counted on to *clap* in time, so I'm less than stoked at the idea of giving them much more input than that... On 6/29/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > I saw Todd Rundgren doing some schtick while working > for Phillips promoting some game system (that failed) > and on his TR-I show he had a pretty cool electronic > gazebo that allowed him to give control of various > elements to the audience... with both good and > disasterous results. The moral of the story for me > was that having interaction in your music is great... > but know your partners and choose them wisely. >=20 > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 19:34:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596AC3BF42; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.339997 secs Process 53750) Message-ID: <52856.213.100.44.58.1120073657.squirrel@213.100.44.58> In-Reply-To: <201.4939e3e.2ff412be@aol.com> References: <201.4939e3e.2ff412be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:34:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Thank you so much Bob, your words made my day happier. you might want to check the new CD it's called "ask no lies" and it's freshly released under the name of Rob Steady at 12rec, small German netlabel: http://www.12rec.net/release_robsteady_019.htm - some people seem to find that new EP too disorienting but i hope you'll find smth for you ps: i'm reading the acoustic guitar/piezo thread with a lot of attention ;) ________________________________________ Stéphane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | > > Hi Stéphane > > I checked out your 'dust' album at clumsybeats a few weeks ago and really > liked it, and had been meaning to let you know. I especially liked track > 5, > crooked grind variation - very tasty. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 19:44:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B189F3BF4C; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j6hzqj1E5/7oP7bgHDwkfjQhEo7d/UPwAhOvRFn3kvnf9EPUkxu7+g/EVNqvjkBLJxQt0ZjYk35UXxx2Iuo5RcjoIgSWjU2SIOjV4fvuqIrCNsTpiSZAvnF4I0mG2keI7YnCNYfZ9X0SMEz2o44NpHYmFlyGFIOTYa0id7Lic34= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205062912442202f8a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:44:41 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Travis Hartnett , RobotFan@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm going to be unsubscribing. Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <76.562fdffc.2ff3d5df@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Or use gmail, which 1) lets you hide all this stuff under a label 2) consolidates all mail messages with the same subject: under one "thread". If you use AOL mail, you're going to have a lot of trouble with more than a low volume of email... On 6/29/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > You might try the digest option, which cuts down the inbox clutter to > one or two Looper's Delight mailings a day. >=20 > On 6/29/05, RobotFan@aol.com wrote: > > > > I'm just posting this before I unsubscribe to let you fine folks know w= hy. > > > > It isn't that I don't like the LD group or reading the messages. Howeve= r, > > there's just too much activity in my mail box. Perhaps the moderator of= this > > mailing list might consider setting up a proper Bulletin Board System? > > Something that I can visit every couple of days and browse through? > > > > At any rate, I just wanted to say that I'm un subscribing out of necess= ity > > and not from lack of interest. > > > > I'll just read the archives and re subscribe if I have anything importa= nt > > enough to contribute. > > > > Carl > > > > >=20 >=20 --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 20:03:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CC343BF53; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:03:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:03:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8655973.1120075428847.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:03:54 +0000 (UTC) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 20:28:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6DF93BF2D; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:28:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: The newest Loop-Music I've listened to is... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <19444027.1120076882892.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:28:16 +0000 (UTC) sunao inami: "an impulse of acoustic" "c.u.e. compilation 2" "live delayed sunao inami" scott hansen "loop experiments vol. #10, #16, #17 (& random radio compositions)" "borrowed ideas" p.s. i'm moving to verizon and dropping aol.....i have no idea what happened to the last e-mail i sent, i hope this one goes through.....also could someone tell me if this is html, don't want to piss anyone off.....:).....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 21:10:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 739EB3BF37; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uiLsCd1vAWd7zB6PpMd1+UVM+m1JKFBXY0Ymn7RLFud4yeTmq1N1LYMWf59Va/Oj+wLRIm/hj+pcFG//5RHu6J872fOEeppHlchn6ssePcKto42ycLf8y3N2ftQJfgA4sUj44qTljga6yiXi5DLJcfdcer4TWowCqduq5OM4XrU= Message-ID: <64b81a780506291410682afff1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:10:46 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've listened to is... In-Reply-To: <19444027.1120076882892.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <19444027.1120076882892.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8AZKID.A.EEB.X5wwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:10:47 +0000 (UTC) On 6/29/05, nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: >....also could someone tell me if this is html... Looks like pure text to me. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 21:32:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD42F3BF3A; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <19444027.1120076882892.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> References: <19444027.1120076882892.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7681E276-6C31-4662-A17C-24EDABCBF56A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've listened to is... Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:32:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 29, 2005, at 22:28, wrote: > sunao inami: > "an impulse of acoustic" I too bought that one, a while before those I listed earlier today. Great album IMHO. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 23:32:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE2D73BF38; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4K4jPXT4PThKXuHfB7qIPxdqGyTbpACY/sIRW5ykCqLKMcnSeZVFs39/K6vSol+X1KW1ZqSZeWTmhFthcTFg8OcCpr2iyrbDaP0YLiesEwz7oV5PvK2rUbL5yKYhrOBxZfq2jNOkOEw+wprW/W9kIJVZCGI7tgZ6v2T6pY1GDu4= ; Message-ID: <20050629233203.72184.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Color Change- Digitech Jamman! 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Learn more. --0-1525665891-1120087923=:70369-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 29 23:38:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B8013BF4C; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BIN6aog8fGuBR4nYjuh7e6tvyPw24bHta7Lo76rLEB2JjRaUiVSL2it1C6/22Mp6lPh+EnYcglSNQrZt/9dr3wedy/9oJobYDGQ9HoT4KPqwGeQStxNkBEZiJeXfAF01ZBKak02hBguAyeFZkpPOVL7tvxiMMLJWD8Tebr+zZq4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:38:05 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Color Change- Digitech Jamman! In-Reply-To: <20050629233203.72184.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050629233203.72184.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7R44uB.A.TLH.iDzwCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:38:10 +0000 (UTC) The new Jamman manual is also available for download: ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Manuals/JamManManual1.2.pdf On 6/29/05, Wind Stick Devil wrote: > Breaking news! The Digitech Jamman's photo on AMS now displays the unit a= s > purple! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 00:19:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8EEB3BF48; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=oPYuDF1S2zCHOVIAk/1cEGhvo1l1apFgfBTl0Dhh92b0mYBMoMDULUt+/UG5m0ab; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Per Boysen'" , Subject: RE: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:19:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcV9BSGE06sUKGJWSrKIr55c+7YFxwAAut3A In-Reply-To: <39C7D4AE-47B2-4D19-8827-48E8CF58FE61@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bccc7323ef63358fe1a20980dab94308a9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.17.75.212 Message-Id: <20050630001921.81D7D3BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:19:23 +0000 (UTC) I'm trying to "round out" the collection with some older stuff: 1. Nils Petter Molvaer - KHMER 2. David Torn - Door X 3. David Torn - Best Laid Plans 4. U2 - How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb After all, isn't The Edge all about digital delay and loops?!? Excellent CD! Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... On Jun 29, 2005, at 2:06, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > What's the most recent CD/Music you've pruchased that clearly had some > looping on it? No CD's bought lately, but I purchased some music digitally on iTunes and Bleep (Warp Records). 1. Eivind Aarset: Connected. This is one of the most uplifting discs I've come across in a long time. Here's listening all the time... 2. Jon Hassell: Maarifa Street. As a long time Hassell fan I'm always interested on those rare occasions when he releases something. 3. Jamie Lidell: Multiply. Having heard the talking about Jamie's fantastic live sets (vocal mic into Max armed laptop) I was very curious on this album. He is an excellently soulful singer but I can't listen too much to his music because it always gives me that feeling that I can use my time in a better way, already having heard Marvin Gaye, Prince e all. 4. MARS VOLTA: Francis the Mute. Not precisely live looping since Omar (guitarrist, producer) did most of the looping in the studio, applied to the entire mix or submixes of certain tracks. A great prog rock disc picking up the vibes from early Zeppelin and Yes (Relayer). 5. Best Of Santana (anthology). Gave this CD to my bro for his birthday. No looping per definition but Carlos is heard copying himself all through this disc... ;-) They were a great band! I especially like listening to the keyboard player. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 10:33:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFC283BF69; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: "Loopers" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BANN=5D_talk_/_concert_promo_for_the_Z=FCrich_Loopfestiv?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?al?= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:33:03 +0200 Message-ID: <006c01c57d5f$1bd13df0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, German... Bernhard http://nosuch.biz Announcement: talk / concert promo for the Z=FCrich Loopfestival Flyer: http://loopfestival.com/ds05 W=E4hrend Audio-Loops je nach Standpunkt schon Mitte des 20. = Jahrhunderts mittels Tonband-Schlaufen angewendet wurden, ist Live-Looping eine Innovation der letzten f=FCnfzehn Jahre. Dank Live-Looping k=F6nnen sich Musiker live auf der B=FChne klanglich vervielf=E4ltigen und so auch mit einstimmigen Instrumenten oder Gesang sukzessive ganze Orchester oder Ch=F6re auf- und wieder abbauen. Bernhard Wagner, Live-Looping Gitarrist und Organisator des=20 1. internationalen Loopfestivals Z=FCrich (http://loopfestival.com) pr=E4sentiert die Live-Looping Technik und f=FChrt sein = Lieblings-Loopger=E4t vor. Anschliessend wird er ein ca. 40 min=FCtiges Live-Looping-Konzert geben. Der Digitale Salon des SNM im Walcheturm Vortrag, Diskussion, mit anschliessendem Konzert Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005, 20:30 EINTRITT FREI Kunstraum Walcheturm, Kanonengasse 20, 8004 Z=FCrich=20 www.walcheturm.ch Der Digitale Salon ist eine offene Veranstaltungsplattform des Studienbereichs Neue Medien der HGK Z=FCrich.=20 www.digitalersalon.net www.snm-hgkz.ch =09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 10:40:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7E953BF84; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C3CC37.7080202@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:40:55 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels and Afterglow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Due to a corrupted registry on my computer, my email address book was lost. If you hear anyone complain that they haven't heard from me, please ask them to email me so I can once again contact them. If you get duplicates that are addressed directly to you and don't come to you through a mailing list, please let me know. AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll conlude the month-long Special Focus on British emusician Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "If the World Were Turned on Its Head, We Would Walk Among the Stars" by Mark Jenkins on AMP Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Aguirre" by Popol Vuh on Ohr Musik. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 12:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC8DC3BF80; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.3641 secs Process 10830) Message-ID: <59082.213.100.44.58.1120134934.squirrel@213.100.44.58> In-Reply-To: <20050629182647.0ysoe70l2y4owgok@webmail.server.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0111F511@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <20050629182647.0ysoe70l2y4owgok@webmail.server.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:35:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3DiJAC.A.rfG.Nc-wCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC) thank you so much for all the precious infos, now i must digest all this. do you think it's more affordable to get a good pickup system and adapt it on my actual guitar or to buy a nylonstrings guitar with a good system already installed in it? another question: do some of you happen to play directly on the venue's speakers? sounds risky to me but it's hard to travel by plane with the kind of amplification you recommend ;) ________________________________________ Stéphane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | > I think its worth checking out this stream of wolfgang muthspiel - gig: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzon3/pip/v8iv5 > > You need to forward it for about 30 - 40 minutes, when muthspiel picks up > his > acoustic for the first time: here he works with some loops. > As far as I know, he is using framework - guitars: > > www.frameworks-guitars.com > > can´t afford them. I use a Alhambra 5P Cutaway. Great Sound with > fishman preamp: mic/piezo (+ the great roland ac 60). > > > > > Quoting "Hartung, Kris" : > >> Good full range amplification....totally agreed! I use two >> Electro-Voice SxA100 Powered Speakers (12" speaker and horn in each). >> You like that Fishman, eh? I like them too. >> >> Kris >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:11 AM >> To: Loopers' Delight >> Subject: Re: (acoustic guitar) Website: www.jo-jena.com >> >> In my experience a simple pre-amp can go a long way to warming up the >> piezo sounds. I bought myself a Fishman Pro EQ Platinum and love it. >> (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/src=SearchDex/search/detail/base_pi >> d/303132) >> >> It's got a 4-band eq (low, sweepable-mid, high, & "brilliance") plus a >> little compressor, phase switch, etc. I run my Takamine classical >> through it as well as my Parker's piezos & my Ovation. In an afternoon >> of tweaking I was able to get clear natural sounds from the classical & >> accoustic and shape up the Parker's peizos so that they actually sound >> like an accoustic as well. For serious recording I still drop a mic in >> front of the guitar and blend that in, but the Fishman will get you 90% >> of the way there all by itself. >> >> Of course, the other requisite is good amplification. You need full >> range and a guitar amp won't cut it for accoustics & classicals. I put >> together a little 150W stereo PA from Carvin and love that too. >> Quite a bit to carry around though. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Todd >> >> On 6/29/05, obadia wrote: >>> Kris, do you use an electro-acoustic or piezo? i'm thinking about >>> playing live with ONLY my nylon string guitar and SooperLooper. i'm a >>> bit disappointed with the piezo microphones i tried so far, so i'm >>> wondering... >>> >>> ps: i own a micro-modular, i love it and it's so conveniant to travel >>> with. i haven't reached the limits of this small unit >>> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 13:15:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FAF83BF85; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c57d75$bd8ac100$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: "Travis Hartnett" , References: <000401c57c05$a866d780$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: PMC10 schematics needed Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:15:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Travis He left the building no answer.... Claude I'm thinking Mango's the guy you want to talk to: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199911/msg00673.html On 6/28/05, Claude Voit wrote: > Hi guys > having some weirdies with my midi pedalboard > LD probably being the largest PMC10 user base maybe one of you has the > schematics somewhere and could scan it and send it to me > > Maybe > > Merci > > Have a lovely evening/day/night > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 15:12:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD693BF9C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.203] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Color Change- Digitech Jamman! Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:12:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2005 15:12:19.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C069410:01C57D86] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:12:22 +0000 (UTC) i wonder if it'll "bump" like the Repeater does...? sim >From: Travis Hartnett >Reply-To: Travis Hartnett >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Color Change- Digitech Jamman! >Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:38:05 -0700 > >The new Jamman manual is also available for download: > >ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Manuals/JamManManual1.2.pdf > > > > >On 6/29/05, Wind Stick Devil wrote: > > Breaking news! The Digitech Jamman's photo on AMS now displays the unit >as > > purple! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 15:50:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F04A3BF96; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r3UhJfBdl4u/v30CVyiUV+Hfc0K6JxYUhRDQbm4M8DfP3ZWNsmTTDfzfHtR6fI1Or3Foe62pa0KKCiAHKYX2GU003rIolqY/L9b0Wf13iScu/K+zvQ1DVPqElpIK07/92QbTrAE4uLQ+60Q93NQp2lVqyYqEEgp70b4KCmIWrgw= ; Message-ID: <20050630155041.31316.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: recent loop listenings..../the difinitive looper list.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1549191756-1120146641=:30692" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1rWLhC.A.M1B.TTBxCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:50:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1549191756-1120146641=:30692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit some recent loop listenings for me: andre L-F's-normalized dt's-best laid plans and tripping over god & s-c oah bfrisell's ghost town (his solo cd from '00) one album i've been enjoying is nels clines' 'giant pin', very different than most of my listenings, and last nite i was listening to bit one of Michael K's "nemoguitar" 's recent cd (i'm so brain dead this am i can't remember the name of it M! sorry). but i will say that i need to listen to it again today, b/c there is lots of "what is that sound?" going on, which i like! as for the difinitive looper list-i would like to see a quick cheat sheet type of spread sheet thing, b/c when i was in a more active search for gear it would have been nice to see, i realize there is lots of older out of production boxes out there, but could be a help to a newbie, and good for people like me who use the "non-top of the line loopers", ex: digitech rp100---2 sec of delay(to 99% feedback), easy to manipulate digitech rp7---3.5 sec of delay (to 100% feedback), not easy to manipulate ibanez de7---2.8 sec of delay (NOT near 100% for infinite loops, but it can do "timeshifts" pretty good, just need to capture them quickly), easy to manipulate etc etc.... s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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some recent loop listenings for me:
andre L-F's-normalized
dt's-best laid plans and tripping over god & s-c oah
bfrisell's ghost town (his solo cd from '00)
one album i've been enjoying is nels clines' 'giant pin', very different than most of my listenings,
and last nite i was listening to bit one of
Michael K's "nemoguitar" 's recent cd (i'm so brain dead this am i can't remember the name of it M! sorry). but i will say that i need to listen to it again today, b/c there is lots of "what is that sound?" going on, which i like!
 
as for the difinitive looper list-i would like to see a quick cheat sheet type of spread sheet thing, b/c when i was in a more active search for gear it would have been nice to see, i realize there is lots of older out of production boxes out there, but could be a help to a newbie, and good for people like me who use the "non-top of the line loopers",
ex:
digitech rp100---2 sec of delay(to 99% feedback), easy to manipulate
digitech rp7---3.5 sec of delay (to 100% feedback), not easy to manipulate
ibanez de7---2.8 sec of delay (NOT near 100% for infinite loops, but it can do "timeshifts" pretty good, just need to capture them quickly), easy to manipulate
etc etc....
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Sign up for Fantasy Football --0-1549191756-1120146641=:30692-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 16:09:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5A1B3BF93; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:09:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Listen to Galactic Travels and Afterglow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <32176708.1120147760030.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) >From: Bill Fox >Date: Thu Jun 30 05:40:55 CDT 2005 >To: undisclosed-recipients@null, null@null >Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels and Afterglow >Due to a corrupted registry on my computer, my email address book was >lost. If >you hear anyone complain that they haven't heard from me, please ask >them to >email me so I can once again contact them. If you get duplicates that are >addressed directly to you and don't come to you through a mailing list, >please >let me know. > > >AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: >http://soundscapes.us/afterglow >============================================================================= === > >Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in >for a >delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of >Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: >http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh > > >GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: >http://wdiy.org/programs/gt >============================================================================= === > >Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll conlude the month-long Special Focus on >British emusician Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "If >the >World Were Turned on Its Head, We Would Walk Among the Stars" by Mark >Jenkins on >AMP Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Aguirre" by Popol >Vuh on >Ohr Musik. For details, see the Special Focus page at: >http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jun > >Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that >airs each >Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM >in Easton >and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on >Service >Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 16:28:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85BCF3BFA2; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: he does it again and a recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <17225806.1120148891894.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) so sorry for that screwup.....i'm just learning this e-mail system.....btb.....now that my philips cd recorder went south and just 2 daze ago my marantz 4 trac ate my CT-POEM PROJECT the spinning thang that moves the casette forward no longer moves (and i babyed this piece of equipment), i need a new recording machine, i was thinking the edirol R-1.....has anyone used one of these.....there was only 1 review at H.C. and it was pretty negative although it sounded like a LOUD ROCKER wrote it.....i know nothing of "smart media cards" but it looks like a good field recorder (small) as well as an at home one.....i know we talked about this a few weeks ago but i was wondering if anyone got one of these or something else that they would recommend since the last thread.....it's always something no?.....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 16:37:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36A63BFAC; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c57d92$37b82780$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <20050630155041.31316.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: recent loop listenings..../the difinitive looper list.... Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:39:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C57D70.B075B380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:37:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C57D70.B075B380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Digitech RDS-8000 - 8-secs Digitech RDS-4000 - 4 secs (I run 2 of these cross-patched to one = another) Digitech PDS-8000 - 8 secs (I use two of them in series) Digitech RDS-7.6 Time Machine - 7.6 secs (I daisy-chain 4 of these = together) DOD DFX-94 for shorter delays Revox A77 1/4" two-track reel-to-reel AKAI E1 - 23 secs - like the 4 separate outs for recording ZOOM 2100 - up to 16 sec of low-tech(8-bit) looping=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scott hansen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: recent loop listenings..../the difinitive looper list.... some recent loop listenings for me: andre L-F's-normalized dt's-best laid plans and tripping over god & s-c oah bfrisell's ghost town (his solo cd from '00) one album i've been enjoying is nels clines' 'giant pin', very = different than most of my listenings, and last nite i was listening to bit one of Michael K's "nemoguitar" 's recent cd (i'm so brain dead this am i = can't remember the name of it M! sorry). but i will say that i need to = listen to it again today, b/c there is lots of "what is that sound?" = going on, which i like! as for the difinitive looper list-i would like to see a quick cheat = sheet type of spread sheet thing, b/c when i was in a more active search = for gear it would have been nice to see, i realize there is lots of = older out of production boxes out there, but could be a help to a = newbie, and good for people like me who use the "non-top of the line = loopers", ex: digitech rp100---2 sec of delay(to 99% feedback), easy to manipulate digitech rp7---3.5 sec of delay (to 100% feedback), not easy to = manipulate ibanez de7---2.8 sec of delay (NOT near 100% for infinite loops, but = it can do "timeshifts" pretty good, just need to capture them quickly), = easy to manipulate etc etc.... s--- -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! 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Digitech RDS-8000 - 8-secs
Digitech RDS-4000 - 4 secs (I run 2 of=20 these cross-patched to one another)
Digitech PDS-8000 - 8 secs (I use = two of them=20 in series)
Digitech RDS-7.6 Time Machine = - 7.6 secs (I=20 daisy-chain 4 of these together)
DOD DFX-94 for shorter = delays
Revox A77 1/4" two-track = reel-to-reel
AKAI E1 - 23 secs - like the 4 separate = outs for=20 recording
ZOOM 2100 - up to 16 sec of = low-tech(8-bit)=20 looping 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 scott=20 hansen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 = 11:50=20 AM
Subject: recent loop = listenings..../the=20 difinitive looper list....

some recent loop listenings for me:
andre L-F's-normalized
dt's-best laid plans and tripping over god & s-c oah
bfrisell's ghost town (his solo cd from '00)
one album i've been enjoying is nels clines' 'giant pin', very = different=20 than most of my listenings,
and last nite i was listening to bit one of
Michael K's "nemoguitar" 's recent cd (i'm so brain dead = this am i=20 can't remember the name of it M! sorry). but i will say that i need to = listen=20 to it again today, b/c there is lots of "what is that sound?" going = on, which=20 i like!
 
as for the difinitive looper list-i would like to see a quick = cheat sheet=20 type of spread sheet thing, b/c when i was in a more active search for = gear it=20 would have been nice to see, i realize there is lots of older out of=20 production boxes out there, but could be a help to a newbie, and good = for=20 people like me who use the "non-top of the line loopers",
ex:
digitech rp100---2 sec of delay(to 99% feedback), easy to=20 manipulate
digitech rp7---3.5 sec of delay (to 100% feedback), not easy to=20 manipulate
ibanez de7---2.8 sec of delay (NOT near 100% for infinite loops, = but it=20 can do "timeshifts" pretty good, just need to capture them quickly), = easy to=20 manipulate
etc etc....
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Rekindle=20 the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football = ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C57D70.B075B380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 16:59:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0EC3BF99; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C4251B.1050608@sarth.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:00:11 -0400 From: Sarth User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig tonight - NYC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, wanted to let you know my band Lucibel Crater is playing over at nublu - 62 avenue C (between 4th and 5th) Tonight, Thursday, June 30th at 9:00 (before Forro in the Dark at 11:00) with no cover if you show up for the early show Featuring, of course, lots of live looping/processing (that's why the post - hey?) using kyma and various other lower-tech solutions .. looped vocals, cello, drums, keys ... should be fun. Love, Lucibel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 19:01:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08A143BF99; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:09:26 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: the difinitive looper list.... To: Message-id: <001101c57da7$3c376180$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C57D85.B4B04360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050630155041.31316.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006f01c57d92$37b82780$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:01:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C57D85.B4B04360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've not seen this mentioned (or did I miss it...)=20 Korg SDD2000 David Kirkdorffer UNDO - Ambient Looping Live http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=3Dlisting_= song_artist ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C57D85.B4B04360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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UNDO - Ambient Looping Live
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C57D85.B4B04360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 20:08:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 691DE3BF9A; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uW3F+rlZxWxO7WJCOtfW+pXDd3p1ob2ixZX25z0JNsQGROyNjdpfISJc1XR6T1KdOzKkX1z3XNfGgmYja1d+FtTt9OcmTI7BrDAkG7Zt1in3OqaUFaYnH70Fj6yJFlSrbdBjliOzqwZFVurhUu79GS9qM2N2DDyH5x9+0raGGp8= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050630130852fa57ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:08:53 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig tonight - NYC In-Reply-To: <42C4251B.1050608@sarth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42C4251B.1050608@sarth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Darn! You should have told us earlier! =20 I can't make it but I could have sent it to my list: http://ax.to On 6/30/05, Sarth wrote: > Hey all, wanted to let you know my band > Lucibel Crater is playing over at > nublu - 62 avenue C (between 4th and 5th) > Tonight, Thursday, June 30th at > 9:00 (before Forro in the Dark at 11:00) > with no cover if you show up for the early show >=20 > Featuring, of course, lots of live looping/processing (that's why the > post - hey?) using kyma and various other lower-tech solutions .. looped > vocals, cello, drums, keys ... should be fun. >=20 > Love, >=20 > Lucibel >=20 >=20 --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 21:49:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1EC3BFB2; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Listen to Galactic Travels and Afterglow Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:49:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <32176708.1120147760030.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:49:56 +0000 (UTC) can you hear me now? -----Original Message----- From: nemoguitt@verizon.net [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listen to Galactic Travels and Afterglow >From: Bill Fox >Date: Thu Jun 30 05:40:55 CDT 2005 >To: undisclosed-recipients@null, null@null >Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels and Afterglow >Due to a corrupted registry on my computer, my email address book was >lost. If >you hear anyone complain that they haven't heard from me, please ask >them to >email me so I can once again contact them. If you get duplicates that are >addressed directly to you and don't come to you through a mailing list, >please >let me know. > > >AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: >http://soundscapes.us/afterglow >=========================================================================== == === > >Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in >for a >delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of >Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: >http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh > > >GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: >http://wdiy.org/programs/gt >=========================================================================== == === > >Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll conlude the month-long Special Focus on >British emusician Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "If >the >World Were Turned on Its Head, We Would Walk Among the Stars" by Mark >Jenkins on >AMP Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Aguirre" by Popol >Vuh on >Ohr Musik. For details, see the Special Focus page at: >http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jun > >Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that >airs each >Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM >in Easton >and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on >Service >Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 23:00:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 423B93BFC9; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <932F09EF-86E7-4B3F-9A64-6553CF51AEC4@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: Cambridge Loopfest this Saturday (2nd) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:00:10 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <5mOaT.A.z-B.AmHxCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:00:17 +0000 (UTC) A reminder: The Third Annual Cambridge Festival of Looping http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ saturday july 2nd 2005 8pm-11pm (doors open 7:30pm) =A36 on the door (=A35 concessions with ID) at the michaelhouse cafe, trinity street, cambridge, england featuring: the fuzzy lights www.fuzzylights.com (guitar and violin) nick robinson www.nickrobinson.info/music/ (guitar) dan mayfield www.danmayfield.com (guitar, violin, &c) all enquiries : info@cambridge-loopfest.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 30 23:31:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A8ED3BFC1; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:31:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Gig tonight - NYC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <12393858.1120174300620.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:31:42 +0000 (UTC) >Featuring, of course, lots of live looping/processing (that's why the >post - hey?) using kyma and various other lower-tech solutions .. looped >vocals, cello, drums, keys ... should be fun. > >Love, > >Lucibel do it!.....if it ain't fun.....what's fun?.....mic....."who is no longer a slave to AOL and their damn HTML maddness.....now i will no longer visually offend some of my brothers and sisters out there.....to be clean, oh to be clean!"