From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 04:50:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j418lY710460; Sun, 1 May 2005 04:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 04:47:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42749481.3000002@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 10:34:09 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music Video for Purple Hand References: <01dd01c54cb0$7ff5afd0$6b01a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <01dd01c54cb0$7ff5afd0$6b01a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, it needs renaming, for some reason. I actually think it's a quicktime problem. Quicktime wouldn't play it and the same thing with the lovely quicktime alternative. Nice track, by the way. My 16-month-old girl was shaking her groove thing throughout :) A. Kris Hartung wrote: >I think you sent this only to me, Rainer, but I received a similar >message with XP. I canceled, renamed the video file (shorter), and >double-clicked it again to play. Don't ask why. :) > >K- > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:11 PM >To: khartung@cableone.net >Subject: AW: Music Video for Purple Hand > > >Can aynone tell what I do if and when my QuickTime player (Xp in case >you're wondering) tells me he needs to download "QuickTime Authoring", >and after I tell him to go ahead and download it, he always tells me the >component downloaded is corrupted? > >I also want to see that video, you stupid apple crew! > > Rainer > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >Gesendet: Freitag, 29. April 2005 04:34 >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Betreff: RE: Music Video for Purple Hand > > >Psychedelic, man...I can almost hear Bjork singing over this. Thanks for >sharing, Rick. > >Took me 17 minutes to download....roughly 8.3MB a minute. I should have >been able to download faster though, since I have an 11mbps connection. >Congested network I guess... > >Kris > > >-----Original Message----- > >I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new >digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up >Tonight" from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. > >David is a fantastic live digital videographer who uses his own >proprietary >visual software. He has amongst many, many career performances been >responsible for >a lot of the live video work for the Woodstockhausen Festivals of >Esorteric Music and the >Y2K3 Live Looping Festival. You can read more about his artistry and >career at: > www.tristram.com > >If you are interested you can download a compressed copy of the video >for free at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ It's a hefty 64 megs so >download it in the evening. > >I'm incredibly pleased with how it came out. It is my first official >music video...............woooohoooooo!! > > >yours, Rick Walker > aka l()()p.p()()l aka Purple Hand aka Ultra Vi()lette > www.loooppool.info > > > >ps I should have a new webpage up for Purple Hand CD but it will have >to >be after my Japan tour at the end of May. > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 04:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j418m1l10585; Sun, 1 May 2005 04:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 04:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42749216.9030604@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 10:23:50 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New track for ya. (was: re: Let It Rot.....) References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <20050430030738.GA13045@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <20050430030738.GA13045@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, in the spirit of.. erm. compostation, here's a vocal track, all live looping, one take. It's basically a dry-run of my Live4/REaktor FastFX setup. All loops are recorded and triggered and all effects are toggled on or off with the laptop keyboard - so this is a pretty neat, compact setup. It will be the basis for a series of recording sessions with two vocalists and me as the looper. I haven't been looping for that long, less than a year, in fact, so any comments on structure and flow would be appreciated :-) http://www.dytrych.net/upload/Machinate_-_Something_I_want.mp3 *Cheers* Andreas w. jlucas wrote: >On 29/04/05 12:57 -0600, Todd Howell wrote: > > >>Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing returns and appears that further discourse with the afforementioned would not really be benefitting the collective or Wind Stick Devil. >> >>What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? >> >> > >Post some *music*. > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 05:45:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j419gx318924; Sun, 1 May 2005 05:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 05:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <42749216.9030604@post.cybercity.dk> References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <20050430030738.GA13045@neoprimitive.net> <42749216.9030604@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4123BB0E-90A1-4A46-8789-1895B17E1AC1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New track for ya. (was: re: Let It Rot.....) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 11:42:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like your looping trip! Heard it the other week ot the Ableton Forum. Hearing this being your experimenting to check out the looping capabilities of your compact setup makes me want to hear the finished version. I think the flow and structure is good but is bogged down a bit by some losses on technical side of the production. Just one example: Since you sing very close to the mic the bass frequencies come and go in the voice and this takes away some of the intimacy that would make it stand out with a proper treatment (cutting out bass, filtering and compressing). But that's just technical aspects. As flow/performance/composition it is perfect as far as my taste goes. If you could record inspired "takes" like that by multi tracking (every sound goes into a sound file of its own) you should be able really work on the sound afterwards and make all the good things, that is already there, come out clearly. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On May 1, 2005, at 10:23, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Right, in the spirit of.. erm. compostation, here's a vocal track, > all live looping, one take. It's basically a dry-run of my Live4/ > REaktor FastFX setup. All loops are recorded and triggered and all > effects are toggled on or off with the laptop keyboard - so this is > a pretty neat, compact setup. It will be the basis for a series of > recording sessions with two vocalists and me as the looper. > > I haven't been looping for that long, less than a year, in fact, so > any comments on structure and flow would be appreciated :-) > > http://www.dytrych.net/upload/Machinate_-_Something_I_want.mp3 > > *Cheers* > > Andreas w. > > > jlucas wrote: > > >> On 29/04/05 12:57 -0600, Todd Howell wrote: >> >> >>> Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so >>> endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving >>> Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing >>> returns and appears that further discourse with the >>> afforementioned would not really be benefitting the collective or >>> Wind Stick Devil. >>> What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? >>> >>> >> >> Post some *music*. >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 06:14:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41ABFB24104; Sun, 1 May 2005 06:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 06:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4274AB19.8030607@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:10:33 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New track for ya. References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <20050430030738.GA13045@neoprimitive.net> <42749216.9030604@post.cybercity.dk> <4123BB0E-90A1-4A46-8789-1895B17E1AC1@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <4123BB0E-90A1-4A46-8789-1895B17E1AC1@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Per, yeah, multitracking it will be entirely possible. I plan to use 8 loops bussed to 2 different fastFX units, at a total of 60% cpu, so there's room for some eqs and compressors running realtime as well. It will be fun to work on some semi-planned looping songs for a change, while still keeping that element of chaos/surprise that you get when one person is looping another. Per Boysen wrote: > I like your looping trip! Heard it the other week ot the Ableton > Forum. Hearing this being your experimenting to check out the looping > capabilities of your compact setup makes me want to hear the finished > version. I think the flow and structure is good but is bogged down a > bit by some losses on technical side of the production. Just one > example: Since you sing very close to the mic the bass frequencies > come and go in the voice and this takes away some of the intimacy > that would make it stand out with a proper treatment (cutting out > bass, filtering and compressing). But that's just technical aspects. > As flow/performance/composition it is perfect as far as my taste > goes. If you could record inspired "takes" like that by multi > tracking (every sound goes into a sound file of its own) you should > be able really work on the sound afterwards and make all the good > things, that is already there, come out clearly. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > On May 1, 2005, at 10:23, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > >> Right, in the spirit of.. erm. compostation, here's a vocal track, >> all live looping, one take. It's basically a dry-run of my Live4/ >> REaktor FastFX setup. All loops are recorded and triggered and all >> effects are toggled on or off with the laptop keyboard - so this is >> a pretty neat, compact setup. It will be the basis for a series of >> recording sessions with two vocalists and me as the looper. >> >> I haven't been looping for that long, less than a year, in fact, so >> any comments on structure and flow would be appreciated :-) >> >> http://www.dytrych.net/upload/Machinate_-_Something_I_want.mp3 >> >> *Cheers* >> >> Andreas w. >> >> >> jlucas wrote: >> >> >>> On 29/04/05 12:57 -0600, Todd Howell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so >>>> endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving >>>> Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing >>>> returns and appears that further discourse with the >>>> afforementioned would not really be benefitting the collective or >>>> Wind Stick Devil. >>>> What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Post some *music*. >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 06:43:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41AeUE27525; Sun, 1 May 2005 06:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 06:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <4274AB19.8030607@post.cybercity.dk> References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <20050430030738.GA13045@neoprimitive.net> <42749216.9030604@post.cybercity.dk> <4123BB0E-90A1-4A46-8789-1895B17E1AC1@boysen.se> <4274AB19.8030607@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0116AB5F-7630-4841-8FBF-05AE72B86685@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New track for ya. Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:39:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 1, 2005, at 12:10, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > yeah, multitracking it will be entirely possible. I plan to use 8 > loops bussed to 2 different fastFX units, at a total of 60% cpu, so > there's room for some eqs and compressors running realtime as well. Nice. Since you have a fast PC for Live you may also record a clip of each track (documenting everything that happens "audio-wise" on each track). Take away the "dots" (by ctrl E) from slots that may interfere with those 8+ instantly recording clips - to prevent scene changes to stop those clips from recording. This will give you 8+ audio files on the drive and you can line them up for mixing or further refinement in Cubase, Protools, Logic or any good mixing appl. > It will be fun to work on some semi-planned looping songs for a > change, while still keeping that element of chaos/surprise that you > get when one person is looping another. yes, you never know what's going to happen! I think it's very creative to also edit recorded live looping happenings afterwards. I mean, you may cut out four or five bars where not much did happen. I.e refining the flow that is already in the performance. Or you could take away some channels to only focus on one or two sounds for a while. With application like Nuendo, protools etc you can set a suitable cross fade section so the cut will sound smooth. In Live you can't cross fade like that. When singers and other players understand that parts can be edited out afterwards they tend to be even more adventurous and take chances, which can be very interesting. Many good players are good not only because of their chops, developed by training and practice, but also because they have a good understanding of their own limits. To know ones limits as a musical performer is important in front of a live audience but for recording purpose it can be cool to expand the usual borders a bit. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 08:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41CS3S04983; Sun, 1 May 2005 08:28:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 08:28:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c54e49$2a998350$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: PURPLE HAND video renamed Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 05:27:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry it took me a couple of days to get to this, but I renamed the "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" music video by David Tristram so people can download it without problem. It was the "&" symbol that was making it difficult to download as it turns out. You should be able to download it now without a problem (although it is a hefty 138 megs) at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ Enjoy!!! Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 11:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41F5rw24353; Sun, 1 May 2005 11:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 11:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 11:12:56 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . To: Message-id: <002201c54e60$41b16960$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C54E3E.BA2A4B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C54E3E.BA2A4B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, et al. -=20 I'm not sure your 100% serious with your "1st note" thesis, but if you = are I disagree. =20 The first note is without any context, as it is the first. Without = context, you are free to go anywhere. You could say the first note is a = point in space, and it is without a direction. I'd argue the second = note would be more important, and the third note would be more important = than the second, as it confirms a direction. But by around the fifth = note you've simultaneously started to build something and had a chance = to make a mess of it already. So, I'd suggest the fifth note is where = things get interesting. As a general habit, when I do a looping show, the first piece I do is a = minimal thing and without any looping. It's my way of getting my = bearings, clearing the air, and letting the audience know I won't be = playing "Louie-Louie." David Kirkdorffer In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes: I think this is one of the keys for doing a good live performance.=20 The first note you play is the most important! It has to be mean=20 as hell. It has to be magnificent. The first note (or loop) you play = has to sum up emotionally what you are going to do, why you=20 are standing there on the stage. The first note justifies the=20 concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the gig. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C54E3E.BA2A4B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Per, et al. -
 
I'm not sure your 100% serious with = your "1st note"=20 thesis, but if you are I disagree. 
 
The first note is without any context, = as it is the=20 first. Without context, you are free to go anywhere. You could say = the=20 first note is a point in space, and it is without a direction.  =  I'd=20 argue the second note would be more important, and the third note would = be more=20 important than the second, as it confirms a direction. But by around the = fifth=20 note you've simultaneously started to build something and had a chance = to make a=20 mess of it already.  So, I'd suggest the fifth note is where = things=20 get interesting.
 
As a general habit, when I do a looping = show, the=20 first piece I do is a minimal thing and without any looping.  It's = my way=20 of getting my bearings, clearing the air, and letting the audience know = I won't=20 be playing "Louie-Louie."
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes:

I think this is one of the keys for doing a=20 good live performance.
The first note you play is the most important! = It has to=20 be mean
as hell. It has to be magnificent. The first = note (or=20 loop) you play
has to sum up emotionally what you are going to = do, why you
are standing there on the stage. The first note = justifies=20 the 
concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the=20 gig.

 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C54E3E.BA2A4B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 13:03:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41H0GA07688; Sun, 1 May 2005 13:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 13:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:57:56 -0600 Message-ID: <003201c54e6e$ec32f9e0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050501031701.MHHP16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 22, in=32, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This reminds me of something Ted told me in Santa Cruz--that he likes to listen to what others are doing (in this case, as separate acts in a festival setting) and then do what no one else is doing. Gary [Ted, I am using your comment as a spring board here, rather than attacking it....just so you know. I think I just drank too much Chai tea for my own good. :) Although I would argue that in an absolute sense, this (doing what no one else is doing) is impossible. We are what we are because of what we listen to. I've never listened to an artist where I couldn't draw comparisons or find similarities with prior artists....and often times when you read up more about these artists, you find that they were inspired by prior artists, unless they grew up learning music on a deserted island without absolutely no ties to other music (unlikely). The influence and appearance of threads of similarity may be conscious or non-conscious (non-intentional). Ted and I have had this conversation before. We both love Terje Rypdal, and if you listen you can hear threads of influence in our works....probably more in Ted because he plays the electric, and me the acoustic. I'm always elated to hear folks draw comparisons between my works and John Abercrombie, because he inspires more than any other artist...though I don't mimic him directly, there is a certain "feel" that I like and employ in my works. On occasion, I hear artists claim that they are doing their own thing without any influences from others, or when someone asks who influenced them, they shrug their shoulders and claim ignorance. I find this laughable, if not arrogant and pretentious, as if they think they can compose in a vacuum outside the influence of human society...an artist really has to be full of his/her own ego to be serious about this. In fact, my own personal opinion is that this is artistically dishonest and disrespectful to other musicians and genres in the past. It's like writing a paper and saying that the idea is completely and totally your own without any influence of prior thinkers, and not giving anyone credit in the references. Even the most radical thinkers who came up with paradigm shifting theories gave credit to others who influenced their thought. Kant was influenced by Hegel; Bertrand Russell by David Hume and Pythagoras; the Logical Positivists by Ernst Mach and Hume; Aristotle by Plato, and even Copernicus (with his heliocentric theory of the solar system) gave credit to Aristarchis, who proposed that the Sun was the center of the solar system a 1000 or so years before Copernicus. Music is really no exception. However, relatively speaking (and in support of Ted's comment above), relative to your locality, country, region, etc...it can sometimes be easy to do what no one else is doing....especially here in Boise, Idaho....it may be the third largest city now in the US Northwest, but off the wall avant-garde music is hard to come by, unless it's from non-locals flying or driving through. Ted and I can go to places like Santa Cruz, and come back to our localities with spoils that may come across as cutting edge. Kris I once saw John Zorn play a rare gig in Southern California with his band, Masada. The opening act was a very creative and LOUD local rock band. When Zorn and Co. took the stage they all played acoustically and very quietly at first -- almost below the level of the ability of audience at the back of the room to even hear. Nothing had been said. But, the voices and clinking glasses all gradually hushed as everyone strained to hear. Folks were leaning forward in their seats -- expectant. This went on for a minute or two -- 'til there was absolute silence except or the band. Then WHAMMM!!! The players launched full-force into what they are known to do -- a sort of loud, scabrous, free-form, harmolodic mix of squealing, ear-blistering free jazz and klezmer music that had the crown stamping and cheering. That's about the best example of what I'm talking about I've ever seen or heard. It's impressed me ever since. Like I said, I'm sick and twisted. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 15:09:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41J6uL27000; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:06:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:06:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JRnfMTU6QpxJ4z9Q93nToWiOoc4VEGihUy2s49rGcIQ5uC0fYMCVairaS4KyqnvC2SVVUdcdVnBUIl7oiBBZMjDUVy+6AsvsrtL2Rdm3+2FGabZJkfZDxmWHij4RkNOxBwmu8W2hmXST6+npG0jZuxV0EgPLNP3CSwdP4R6oHCM= ; Message-ID: <20050501190622.92443.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: RE; Online music hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <30sXKC.A.ClG.0iSdCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it is, but it can also be used to host and promote music through the same methods. Networking is networking, regardless of your end goal... ;) Mike --- Randy Leifer wrote: > Is it just me, or does MySpace seem like more of a > place for young "players" to chat and hookup > sexually? > > I'm looking for a more serious venue to display my > music. > Every time I visit there I get rather turned off (or > on). > > I possibly might be entering the "old fart" stage in > life. > > =RANDY= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 15:12:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41JATD27801; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:10:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZnjeMEDZxkKfermikfq+qTcNPLG0d3vb9AxiHOhyJKi3z2f43Sj4l3EiF0WHNm5RdjAtjkBREjHd0amEjrmwOYko0cGgzK4tlo7sJbGgpt63xcqnUkf4BDJX8BiWomyQ93Q0kzsLuxtcX7b0v5tnFfo7VJY1/Lo/H6oxW4vebJ8= ; Message-ID: <20050501191003.21163.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Online music hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I skimmed through them but didn't see anything that was too frightening. What specifically? Mike --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Their "terms" are rather interesting... > > > > -t- > > > --- mike feeney wrote: > > I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I > > stumbled across a site that does allow artists to > > sign > > up, host up to 4 mp3 files, post gig info, and > > promote > > their music by networking with other people. > > > > > http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music > > > > (or you can just go to myspace.com and click the > > Music > > link.) > > > > Mike > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 15:18:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41JFTK28633; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.111] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003201c54e6e$ec32f9e0$6b01a8c0@khartung> From: "samba -" To: khartung@cableone.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:15:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2005 19:15:03.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[13C8AA00:01C54E82] Resent-Message-ID: <6LQsbC.A.l-G.9qSdCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A shift of paradigm doesn't shift the syntagm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 15:24:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41JLXs29694; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.111] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:20:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2005 19:20:21.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1833880:01C54E82] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the last note is more important than the first,as in 'there are no wrong notes just bad resolutions'. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 15:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41Jgmr01461; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:42:22 -0700 Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <230DC233-BA79-11D9-8A8A-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, May 1, 2005, at 12:20 PM, samba - wrote: > I think the last note is more important than the first,as in 'there > are no wrong notes just bad resolutions'. > > > In my experience, both playing live looping and watching other loopers, it seems like the last note is much harder to find than the first... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 15:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41Jv3a03837; Sun, 1 May 2005 15:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: That first note (or loop) . . . In-Reply-To: <230DC233-BA79-11D9-8A8A-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Message-ID: References: <230DC233-BA79-11D9-8A8A-000A95A5D158@peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 1 May 2005, David Trenkel wrote: > On Sunday, May 1, 2005, at 12:20 PM, samba - wrote: > > > I think the last note is more important than the first,as in 'there > > are no wrong notes just bad resolutions'. > > > > > In my experience, both playing live looping and watching other loopers, > it seems like the last note is much harder to find than the first... As a live looper and improviser in general, I can often find myself in a metaphorical corner and wondering "ok, how am i going to get out of this one?", so I concur :). best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 16:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41KKPF06283; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:20:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 16:20:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <002201c54e60$41b16960$0affff0a@hppav> References: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> <002201c54e60$41b16960$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <424993FE-2B09-43B7-8276-0E11D54134F9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:19:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <_PftHC.A.ZhB.rnTdCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Some interesting views posted: On May 1, 2005, at 17:12, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Per, et al. - > > I'm not sure your 100% serious with your "1st note" thesis, but if > you are I disagree. > > The first note is without any context, as it is the first. Without > context, you are free to go anywhere. You could say the first note > is a point in space, and it is without a direction. From my point of view, the way I experience music, that is not the case. I have a strong feeling that the second, third, fourth etc note already lies embedded within the first note. I can even go a bit further and say that even the first note already lives within the performers' mental and emotional approach before he starts playing. This is a very subjective thing and I'm not sure that it's the truth, but that's at least how I feel about music and the world in general. Notes and events in life are connected not only by the order they usually appear to take place in time. Human will and emotion do also play a big part. Some may call that "a mystical point of view" but to me it's very evident in music. No need to talk about "magic", maybe just some extremely subtle body language that affects us unconsciously? Or is it just a mental trick like dreams we have at night that physically happen in a few seconds brain activity, but we remember them as scenarios of several hours. Sometimes I think that the last note also has a strong impact on the first note. That would only be possible if you experience the music in a dreamlike state (?). > As a general habit, when I do a looping show, the first piece I do > is a minimal thing and without any looping. It's my way of getting > my bearings, clearing the air, and letting the audience know I > won't be playing "Louie-Louie. Some smart showmanship! ;-) On May 1, 2005, at 18:57, Kris Hartung wrote: > On occasion, I hear artists claim that they are doing their own thing > without any influences from others, or when someone asks who > influenced > them, they shrug their shoulders and claim ignorance. I find this > laughable, if not arrogant and pretentious, as if they think they can > compose in a vacuum outside the influence of human society... I do partly agree, but in a certain sense I believe that you really can compose - and listen to music - "in a vacuum". Music is different combinations of vibrations and time. They are exactly the same whoever is listening or performing. I have been thinking a little about this because I personally became actively interested in music at a rather mature age (fourteen or fifteen years old). As a child I practically never heard music except for on some very rare occasions. I heard something from a radio when I was five, that I have later researched as being "Pata Pata" with Miriam Makeba and I also got at a piano now and then when visiting my grand parents. But what I remember from that time is not "melodies" or "notes" but rather geometrical forms and colors. Those forms and colors are still the same today, almost half a century later. Learning musical styles, scales and theory has not changed that way of experiencing music. So, I'm thinking that maybe there really are universal human "musical archetypes" (similar to what C.G. Jung described). > > On Sunday, May 1, 2005, at 12:20 PM, samba - wrote: >> I think the last note is more important than the first,as in >> 'there are no wrong notes just bad resolutions'. ...food for thought! >> On May 1, 2005, at 21:42, David Trenkel wrote: > In my experience, both playing live looping and watching other > loopers, it seems like the last note is much harder to find than > the first... He, he... well put! I once stepped on the wrong floor button and everything went dead silent at a very odd part of the musical flow. I was as surprised as the listeners ;-) Still wondering over that missing "last note" that no one will ever be able to hear ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 17:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41LOGr13915; Sun, 1 May 2005 17:24:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 17:24:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.200.68] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <424993FE-2B09-43B7-8276-0E11D54134F9@boysen.se> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pata Pata Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 14:23:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2005 21:23:49.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[110B5990:01C54E94] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The song Pata Pata was written and recorded originally by Dorothy Masuka.From Zimbabwe she went to hih school in S.A> and recorded in both countries,which helped cross pollinate musical styles. Yo.Miriam Makeba made it famous. If you likje M.M.( and who could resist?) I reccomend Dorothy Masuka   I heard something from a radio when I was five, that I have later  researched as being "Pata Pata" with Miriam Makeba and I also got at  a piano now and then when visiting my grand parents.  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 17:28:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41LQOs14117; Sun, 1 May 2005 17:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 17:26:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:25:56 -0600 Message-ID: <003301c54e94$5cce2fb0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 22, in=32, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please elaborate and bring back into context of the thread. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:15 PM To: khartung@cableone.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . . A shift of paradigm doesn't shift the syntagm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 17:47:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41Liu916508; Sun, 1 May 2005 17:44:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 17:44:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RRzaV7nJtYmHUi7rWkRc5XT52GUHcYhqVs03s2AAJ2HDOlXSYo4szinfVr3Gq0/wmCZal7rMsD9mO21RGk4xg7mYiZ808lJiu0Uh/3otvOHfIx6U8nFjQTE7BC4ttO6/kGY/+Ca6Vt7TGsyLKMLaBIwJiA3Ch8AIutjnEyQ0v/M= ; Message-ID: <20050501214432.73782.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 14:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Rick Walkers new release To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gang i just want to let you know how cool Rick Walkers lattest release is, i just down loaded "IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THEY SAY" and was really impressed with his singing capabilities! ive been to Ricks sound laboratory and love his inventions but now he is applying them in a very groovy way,definetly a must get,good job Rick! cheers Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 18:03:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41M0O518797; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:00:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:59:52 -0600 Message-ID: <004c01c54e99$1a3179a0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <424993FE-2B09-43B7-8276-0E11D54134F9@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 22, in=33, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 1, 2005, at 18:57, Kris Hartung wrote: > On occasion, I hear artists claim that they are doing their own thing > without any influences from others, or when someone asks who > influenced > them, they shrug their shoulders and claim ignorance. I find this > laughable, if not arrogant and pretentious, as if they think they can > compose in a vacuum outside the influence of human society... >>I do partly agree, but in a certain sense I believe that you really can compose - and listen to music - "in a vacuum". I guess the question is whether we can objectively test this. If we assume the possibility of subconscious or non-conscious influences, then it is hard construct a sound argument either way, unless we start with a blank slate or "tabula rasa"....and that is a whole different can of philosophical worms. Even with your childhood example, which I think is a rather interesting one (recalling geometric shapes, etc....very fascinating!), you were exposed to some musical patterns, albeit to a limited degree. You consciously recalled goemetic shapes, but what else was stored and integrated beyond your awareness? Can we quantify the influence that it had on you? (Just rhetorical questions, here). Moreover, your case is interesting and probably counts as an exception to my series of claims about influence...which I was applying primarily to mature musicians who do listen to a fair amount of music. I wouldn't mind hearing about other examples of childhood memories of music. [snip] >> Those forms and colors are still the same today, almost half a century later. Learning musical styles, scales and theory has not changed that way of experiencing music. So, I'm thinking that maybe there really are universal human "musical archetypes" (similar to what C.G. Jung described). I'm certainly attracted to the idea of Jungian musical archetypes. It's very intriguing. I wouldn't be surprised if some theoretician has written about this at length. What might we speculate those archetypes to be? For example, would there be an archetype depicting the general feel of the minor key? (emotive archetypes) Or an archetype for scales, or the 12 tone scale, or intervals,, etc. Or are we talking about more "Platonic" archetypes which are conceptual and boil down the essence of a concept...such as the essence of "major key" or "major key-hood". Heh heh. Might birds tap into these archetypes when they sing their songs? This goes further back than Jung. Pythagorus actually proposed that the universe was composed of numbers, that is, that the essence of the universe as numbers....real numbers as entities, not just conceptually as a grid to understand the universe. And of course, we all know about his contribution to our understanding of intervals, the octave, fifth , etc. Plato took this one step further and said the essense of the universe was "form" or essenses. Both Jung and Frued were influence by Plato...speaking of influences. Both Pythagorus and Plato erected there own sort of archtype systems. ....different but related topic, have you read the book "Synchronicity: The Bridge between Matter and Mind" by David Peat? Very interesting book, that ties both Freudian and Jungian concepts together with physics.....proposes an "a-causal" production of coincidental events, or an "unfolding" from a fabric that is neither physical or non-physical, but much more fundamental than this. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553346768/qid=1114984645/sr=2-3/ ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/002-9037292-3866461 Cheers, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 18:16:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41ME8b20312; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:14:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:14:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.3b2ab08b.2fa6ae8d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:13:33 EDT Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.3b2ab08b.2fa6ae8d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d4.3b2ab08b.2fa6ae8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Krispen, et al, In a message dated 05/01/05 10:00:30, khartung@cableone.net writes: > [Ted, I am using your comment as a spring board here, rather than > attacking it....just so you know. I think I just drank too much Chai tea > for my own good. :) >=20 Certainly no offense taken. I'll own up to my words too. But the context was more one refering to how a particular loop show seemed to be going to me. If "mostly" everyone seems to already be pulling out their eBows and doing mellow ammbient drones -- or I hear a LOT of anything else in particular at a loop fest (bleeps and bloops anyone?) -- I figure why not choose something contrasting and pull out the blitzkrieg Sonny Sharock tones and licks (as=20 if). I would never, ever claim that I am a self-defining "original" of ANY sort. I am a mutt and an amalgam of everything I've ever heard and liked (or even disliked for that matter, that's an influence too). Not only that, my skills are so excruciatingly limited I cannot DO everything I most admire or would like to do musically either. An awful lot of what I do is exactly what it is because it's what I am ABLE to do. I am confined by those limitations=20 -- a certain amount of ignorance and certain physical and emotional=20 predilections, coupled with passion and a twisted stubborn (maybe misplaced) ambition. There is very little origininal "sprung directly from the head of Zeus" musi= c happening in the world -- if any at all. Certainly none of mine is. I would be very, very interested in hearing any that truly was. Moreover, I am sure a lot of the "lions" of music history only seem to have so "sprung" (in=20 originality) through the filtered lens of our historical ignorance. Lots of people still=20 think Fripp and Eno invented looping. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1d4.3b2ab08b.2fa6ae8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Krispen, et al,

In a message dated 05/01/05 10:00:30, khartung@cableone.net writes:

[Ted, I am using your= comment as a spring board here, rather than
attacking it....just so you know. I think I just drank too much Chai tea
for my own good. :)

Certainly no offense taken. I'll own up to my words too. But the context was=
more one refering to how a particular loop show seemed to be going to me. If "mostly" everyone seems to already be pulling out their eBows and doing mellow ammbient drones -- or I hear a LOT of anything else in particular at<= BR> a loop fest (bleeps and bloops anyone?) -- I figure why not choose something=
contrasting and pull out the blitzkrieg Sonny Sharock tones and licks (as if= ).

I would never, ever claim that I am a self-defining "original" of ANY sort.<= BR> I am a mutt and an amalgam of everything I've ever heard and liked (or
even disliked for that matter, that's an influence too). Not only that, my skills are so excruciatingly limited I cannot DO everything I most admire or=
would like to do musically either. An awful lot of what I do is exactly what=
it is because it's what I am ABLE to do. I am confined by those limitations=20= --
a certain amount of ignorance and certain physical and emotional predilectio= ns,
coupled with passion and a twisted stubborn (maybe misplaced) ambition.

There is very little origininal "sprung directly from the head of Zeus" musi= c
happening in the world -- if any at all. Certainly none of mine is. I would<= BR> be very, very interested in hearing any that truly was. Moreover, I am sure<= BR> a lot of the "lions" of music history only seem to have so "sprung" (in orig= inality)
through the filtered lens of our historical ignorance. Lots of people still=20= think
Fripp and Eno invented looping.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1d4.3b2ab08b.2fa6ae8d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 1 21:47:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j421j8L20000; Sun, 1 May 2005 21:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 21:45:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6RNi2Nz89fPpD8ZoJKYFjKKAWjhhzgbBUSVZn/IpP3IUkM/wAw0LpFx8Xt7xZm0EFzZjgx5EmFV8j3ZX3/UYpinmAppp1EV9z808GA2xOPOjpbTNSyhXPe8YpxpPyJV7tP4o/lPzoQdUXUQdm52Rxo9DiXlVyJG7dDT2//xJVWA= ; Message-ID: <20050502014353.19152.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Online music hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For one, you're signing over the ownership of anything you post: "By posting Content on any public area of MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as represent and warrant that you have the right to grant to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information and content to MySpace.com and that MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing"... Also, "You may not include in your Member profile any telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs or email addresses" would seem a bit restrictive to those of us who when posting said gig info do include our last names in our billing (as opposed to 'Tiffany' or something) or who would like to use the site to actually sell a cd. It may not be as bad as all that but, still, ya gotta read the fine print. -t- --- mike feeney wrote: > > I skimmed through them but didn't see anything that > was too frightening. What specifically? > > Mike > > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > Their "terms" are rather interesting... > > > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > --- mike feeney wrote: > > > I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I > > > stumbled across a site that does allow artists > to > > > sign > > > up, host up to 4 mp3 files, post gig info, and > > > promote > > > their music by networking with other people. > > > > > > > > > http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music > > > > > > (or you can just go to myspace.com and click the > > > Music > > > link.) > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 00:44:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j424fXw11792; Mon, 2 May 2005 00:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 00:41:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents coin gutter and vitaminsforyou Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 00:41:43 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <00d901c54ed1$3d942ea0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <4u1g8.A.42C.Y9adCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday May 4th - coin gutter and vitaminsforyou Straight from a recent show in Mexico City for an enthusiastic outdoor crowd at that city's 1st Mutek music festival, vitaminsforyou plans to bring what SPIN magazine recently deemed "melodious laptop wizardry" indoors for a rare solo Toronto appearance. Combining his background in electroacoustics, hip-hop, minimal techno, jazz and indie rock vitaminsforyou's live show is not your average laptop spectacle. http://www.sfeericle-records.com/vitaminsforyou/ "coin gutter has gone from a 4 car pile up at that dangerous corner; chaotic, messy and impossible not to stare at, to a much tighter focused and mature live performance. But don't start thinking this is a night of sequenced tracks, all plan and no passion. The live show is the calm centre of a storm, always threatening to lose control." Emma Hendrix and Graeme Scott, from Vancouver BC, formed the electroacoustic duo coin gutter in February 2000. In 4 years they self-produced 3 CDs and Montreal's No Type Records are releasing their 4th "All your dreams are meaningless". coin gutter has been performing all over Canada, from Montreal at the Museum for Contemporary Arts during the Rein a Voir festival and Mutek, to Vancouver at Richard's on Richards opening for the legendary Finnish duo Pan Sonic. http://www.coingutter.ca Between Sets CD - "Kenotic" by Hammock Lush, post-rock, slowcore stylings with a "Soft-Is-the-New-Loud" attitude from the first CD by this Franklin, Tennessee duo. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wednesday May 11th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 featuring cheryl o, Ben Grossman, Rob Piilonen & Jennifer Gillmor cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Ben Grossman - http://www.macrophone.org Jen Gillmor - http://www.svdesign.ca/Sound-Intro.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Infamous for its cruelty, the month of April took its leave graciously this past week, serving up a mild evening for THE AMBiENT PiNG's final concert of the month. A Pretty Sonic Splatter (Phil Ogison and Anne Sulikowski) began the April 27th concert with a lovely, drifting set that featured tracks from their new album, "It Is Fate That We Met." Delicate, yet captivating, their music was a sonic reflection of the spider web patterns cast by General Chaos' hypnotic visuals. Both Phil and Anne were in excellent form, delighting the audience with tasteful guitar-synth improvisations and Anne's sensuous vocalizations. Special guests dreamSTATE (Scott M2 and Jamie Todd) commandeered the stage for the second set. As promised, they created evocative sound environments that established, and then transformed, the emotional path of their performance. Ranging from playful to poignant, the dreamSTATE set proved that these masters of the genre have miles left to travel in their own ambient explorations. Let's hope that they leave us with more than "fragmented memories and haunted dreams" before they're finished, though - a handful of new releases would be far more satisfying for this devotee. Exploring the outer limits of their earlier sets, the two duos closed the concert with an end-of-the-evening jam. Truly a worthy performance by four outstanding musicians. More info at: http://www.worthyrecords.com + http://www.dreamstate.to Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Waiting For Another Fall" by Mercurine When I first heard Mercurine a few years ago I became an instant fan of their sound, a blend of new wave and ethereal bliss that immediately caught my attention. There was something shiny and new and beautiful about what they did. And now, with the release of their second disc "Waiting For Another Fall", Mercurine have lived up to all my previous expectations and surpassed them, delivering a collection of songs that displays confidence, growth, style and substance. The last couple of years writing and playing together have made Mercurine into a slick, tight, well-honed musical unit, and it shows. It really, really shows. Opening track "The Wish" is surely one of my favorite songs on the disc. Burbling synths interweave with bass and light percussion while Mera Robert's voice plays throughout, lush, hypnotic and beautiful. The track appeals to me on a really primal level, a song that grabs ahold of my heart and doesn't let go. "Bluemouse" follows, a dark and claustrophobic piece that showcases Byron Brown's brilliant guitarwork, alternating from subtle phrasing to a monstrous roar in the blink of an eye. Mera's voice runs just a touch above a whisper, intoning lyrics that run in circles, playing tricks with your mind. To say that this track is a masterpiece wouldn't be doing it justice. "August in Hell" follows, which, despite its name is a playful song sampling from the online animation "Strindberg and Helium". It's kind of an in joke, locational humour that might not mean anything to you if you're not in the know, but trust me, it's funny as hell. Visit http://www.strindbergandhelium.com/to be part of the in crowd. "Format HD" features pronounced drums and percolating synths, Mera's voice stretching the lyrics in a sultry manner sure to appeal to fans of more ethereal vocal stylings. Tasteful guitar phrases play throughout, and all of the instruments blend in a practical and economical way that suggest that the band's production skills are just as tight as their songwriting. "Nu Groove" follows, a stompy and heavy track, a big song meant for a big room that bleeds into the instrumental track "Copper Rain". There's something anthemic about these two, a pump your fist in the air quality that suggests stadiums and giant inflatable pigs. This is a good thing. Every band should have an inflatable pig song. In contrast, "Sunlightgreyskies" has a Cocteau Twins feel to it, with Mera's vocalizing dancing around the track, playing games in the soundfield while sparse guitar alchemy creates a backdrop of new environments and atmospheres. Once you get used to these places and spaces you won't want to leave. "StrangeTimesLove" is a joyful good times piece, the sound of somebody who's found something new to live for. Building on the lyric "I'm waking up but the alarm's been going for days" the track suggests new discovery, a new way of looking at things. Life can be scary in the 21st century, but listening to this track I can't help but think that it doesn't have to be, that maybe we all just need to look at things a little bit differently. Who knows? It might just work and we can thank Mera and Byron for bringing us into a happier age... And this is where we reach the end. Fans of Mera's work with Oblivia and Black Tape for A Blue Girl will no doubt be thrilled by "Another Ending" where she plays a plaintive cello to accompany Byron's looping guitar. A masterful thing of beauty, this is surely one of the best pieces on the disc, my only regret being that this track wasn't a little longer. Like, ummmmmmm, maybe an hour? Regardless of my wishes for an extended version, "Another Ending" is still a wonderful coda to what is one of my favorite releases of the year so far. So let me sum up. Mercurine are magical, and with the release of their latest disc I heart them even more than I did before. They create music that is by turns joyous, happy, celebratory, cerebral, intense, tense and just a little creepy, but in a good way. They are a band who have nurtured and developed their already impressive skills and they are a band who are destined for great things some day very soon. Without doubt Mercurine shine on this disc and you owe it to yourself to hear them now so that you can say you knew them when. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 02:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j426J6H25355; Mon, 2 May 2005 02:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 02:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:21:38 -0700 Subject: S.F. Bay Area Living Room Concerts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050502014353.19152.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <713817F0-BAD2-11D9-ACE8-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking of hosting a series of concerts . They would take place in my living room or the Yoga Studio down the street (depending upon the amount of interest) and will almost certainly be happening on Saturday evening. So far the only "plan" is to support a deep and intimate listening experience for 10 to 25 people and to feature solo artists whose work would shine in this environment.(I'll be burning incense and serving(legal) mood enhancing tea)I'm also planning on playing the first set whenever it seems like a nice fit. I'm also open to collaboration/jamming. Who would be interested in attending or playing at something like this?? Please let me know. I'm also open to anyone helping me put it together and pulling it off. PEACE Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 03:08:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4275XV29843; Mon, 2 May 2005 03:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 03:05:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.177.149.127] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050429091350.10496.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PCM 80...assign delay time to footpedal? Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 07:04:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2005 07:04:30.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FD8C5A0:01C54EE5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is your memory wrong, what's the message when you switch on the PCM ? salut daniel >From: Randy Leifer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: PCM 80...assign delay time to footpedal? >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:13:50 -0700 (PDT) > >I've searched the manual. Maybe I missed it. >I have the expanded memory, and under EDIT/DELAY TIME, >it says 2.500ms (if I recall correctly). Now, if I >want, 10 sec. delay ....how do I quickly advance the >increments - without turning the dial a bizillion >times? > Perhaps assign it to the footpedal?? I can't find >out how via the manual. > >Much thanks, >=M= > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : personnalisez votre messagerie instantanée ! http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 05:02:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4290LY10416; Mon, 2 May 2005 05:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050502095422.02b809c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:58:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . In-Reply-To: <200505012127.j41LRvC14262@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505012127.j41LRvC14262@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 22:27 01/05/05, you wrote: >>The first note is without any context, as it is the first. Without >>context, you are free to go anywhere. You could say the first note >>is a point in space, and it is without a direction. > > From my point of view, the way I experience music, that is not the >case. I have a strong feeling that the second, third, fourth etc note >already lies embedded within the first note. In Indian classical music, the first note is already playing before the performance begins. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 05:16:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j429DtP12266; Mon, 2 May 2005 05:13:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:13:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <230DC233-BA79-11D9-8A8A-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <993D027C-5137-458B-9165-89D4FDCC7572@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: John Abercrombie Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:13:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, A while back I mentioned some tape delay looping (?) I heard by John Abercrombie as a huge source of inspiration and some list members (Kris Hartung, Andreas Willers) seemed very eager to know which record that was. I couldn't remember the name of it and since it's vinyl I didn't have it at hand (hidden somewhere among the vinyl piles I have kept stuffed away in a corner since the turntable packed up in 1990). Anyway, today I found the disc and it is a solo album called "Characters" recorded in Oslo in 1977. No additional musicians, only John playing acoustic guitar, electric guitar and electric mandolin. As I remember it he was playing against long loops of his own previous playing and from the sound of those loops I would guess that he was using an ordinary tape delay (I've had a Roland Chorus for many years, playing around with its Sound-On-Sound button). Nothing at the record cover says if a studio multi tracking machine or a tape delay was used for the layering. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (got-to-get-me-some-vinyl-player) --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 05:22:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j429JYw13055; Mon, 2 May 2005 05:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050502095422.02b809c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200505012127.j41LRvC14262@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050502095422.02b809c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <295020C4-03FE-473B-AF22-93964CE22ABA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:18:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 22:27 01/05/05, you wrote: > >>> The first note is without any context, as it is the first. Without >>> context, you are free to go anywhere. You could say the first note >>> is a point in space, and it is without a direction. >>> >> >> From my point of view, the way I experience music, that is not the >> case. I have a strong feeling that the second, third, fourth etc note >> already lies embedded within the first note. >> > On May 2, 2005, at 10:58, a k butler wrote: > > In Indian classical music, the first note is already playing before > the performance begins. > > andy > Keep it up India - your attitude rocks !! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 05:23:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j429LNx13383; Mon, 2 May 2005 05:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050502101306.02b85040@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:18:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #262 In-Reply-To: <200505012127.j41LRvC14262@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505012127.j41LRvC14262@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 22:27 01/05/05, you wrote: >On occasion, I hear artists claim that they are doing their own thing >without any influences from others, or when someone asks who influenced >them, they shrug their shoulders and claim ignorance. An instrument is a blank slate. It's fun to make music just by making sound with the instrument and responding to it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 06:24:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42AM1f22757; Mon, 2 May 2005 06:22:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:22:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c54f00$8fb51210$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20050502014353.19152.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Online music hosting Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:20:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Tim Nelson" put forth: > For one, you're signing over the ownership of anything > you post: "By posting Content on any public area of > MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as > represent and warrant that you have the right to grant > to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, > non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, > copy, perform, display, and distribute such > information and content to MySpace.com and that > MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works > of, or incorporate into other works, such information > and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of > the foregoing"... In other words, mp3.com Mark II. As if any person who created their own original material would want to give it all up for nothing, so someone else could exploit it no matter what you do. Isn't the arrogance of music biz lawyers astonishing at times? > Also, "You may not include in your Member profile any > telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs > or email addresses" would seem a bit restrictive to > those of us who when posting said gig info do include > our last names in our billing (as opposed to 'Tiffany' > or something) or who would like to use the site to > actually sell a cd. It's how they obtain exclusive rights-by-proxy to a poster's material, while claiming to have "non-exclusive" license to use it. Obvious that some folks haven't given up on the idea of stealing from artists, while claiming to protect themselves from being stolen from. They're not dead yet, alas. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 10:04:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42E1wF27198; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:01:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:01:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: John Abercrombie Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 07:59:40 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c54f1f$2fc5f490$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <993D027C-5137-458B-9165-89D4FDCC7572@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 23, in=35, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is an excellent album/CD ("Characters"), the only that I know of from John that is solo. It never occurred to me that he was looping on that, but I better give it another listen. It wouldn't surprise me, as he has always used really long delay times, even in his normal solos in combo groups. Thanks for bringing this up, Per. I can't believe how many albums John has how....insane. Here some sound clips of that CD if other's are interested: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000026FJ4/qid=1115041930/ sr=1-15/ref=sr_1_15/002-9037292-3866461?v=glance&s=music OR http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1576453/a/Characters.htm You also just reminded me how much ECM label music I have in my collection. I love that label. When I grow up, I want to be with ECM! :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: John Abercrombie Hi, A while back I mentioned some tape delay looping (?) I heard by John Abercrombie as a huge source of inspiration and some list members (Kris Hartung, Andreas Willers) seemed very eager to know which record that was. I couldn't remember the name of it and since it's vinyl I didn't have it at hand (hidden somewhere among the vinyl piles I have kept stuffed away in a corner since the turntable packed up in 1990). Anyway, today I found the disc and it is a solo album called "Characters" recorded in Oslo in 1977. No additional musicians, only John playing acoustic guitar, electric guitar and electric mandolin. As I remember it he was playing against long loops of his own previous playing and from the sound of those loops I would guess that he was using an ordinary tape delay (I've had a Roland Chorus for many years, playing around with its Sound-On-Sound button). Nothing at the record cover says if a studio multi tracking machine or a tape delay was used for the layering. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (got-to-get-me-some-vinyl-player) --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 10:34:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42EVRs31593; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:31:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1115044017.427638b185b73@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:26:57 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Online music hosting References: <20050502014353.19152.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002401c54f00$8fb51210$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <002401c54f00$8fb51210$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 67.170.235.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if major artists get a different deal? http://www.myspace.com/ninofficial peace -cpr Quoting SP Goodman : > "Tim Nelson" put forth: > > For one, you're signing over the ownership of anything > > you post: "By posting Content on any public area of > > MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as > > represent and warrant that you have the right to grant > > to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, > > non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, > > copy, perform, display, and distribute such > > information and content to MySpace.com and that > > MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works > > of, or incorporate into other works, such information > > and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of > > the foregoing"... > > In other words, mp3.com Mark II. As if any person who created their own > original material would want to give it all up for nothing, so someone else > could exploit it no matter what you do. Isn't the arrogance of music biz > lawyers astonishing at times? > > > Also, "You may not include in your Member profile any > > telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs > > or email addresses" would seem a bit restrictive to > > those of us who when posting said gig info do include > > our last names in our billing (as opposed to 'Tiffany' > > or something) or who would like to use the site to > > actually sell a cd. > > It's how they obtain exclusive rights-by-proxy to a poster's material, while > > claiming to have "non-exclusive" license to use it. > > Obvious that some folks haven't given up on the idea of stealing from > artists, while claiming to protect themselves from being stolen from. > They're not dead yet, alas. > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.medialinenews.com > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 10:45:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42Eh5301381; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:43:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:43:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c54f25$262d3b90$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20050502014353.19152.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002401c54f00$8fb51210$0207a8c0@eluk1> <1115044017.427638b185b73@webmail.musetrap.com> Subject: Re: Online music hosting Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:42:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure that if you're already making millions MySpace.com is just a spit in the bucket, if not worth the exposure to non-traditional markets. Conversely the undiscovered artist without a Big Five Music Biz Machine behind them can't afford such a luxury, but need all the exposure they can get. David and Goliath comparisons continue to most likely exist - but what's the percentage of unsigned artists who, upon becoming noticed by the Big Five and offered a contract (sometimes to stupidly be "shelved" for non-competition's sake), snap it up like Manna after a desert journey? Quoth: >I wonder if major artists get a different deal? > > http://www.myspace.com/ninofficial > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting SP Goodman : > >> "Tim Nelson" put forth: >> > For one, you're signing over the ownership of anything >> > you post: "By posting Content on any public area of >> > MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as >> > represent and warrant that you have the right to grant >> > to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, >> > non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, >> > copy, perform, display, and distribute such >> > information and content to MySpace.com and that >> > MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works >> > of, or incorporate into other works, such information >> > and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of >> > the foregoing"... >> >> In other words, mp3.com Mark II. As if any person who created their own >> original material would want to give it all up for nothing, so someone >> else >> could exploit it no matter what you do. Isn't the arrogance of music biz >> lawyers astonishing at times? >> >> > Also, "You may not include in your Member profile any >> > telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs >> > or email addresses" would seem a bit restrictive to >> > those of us who when posting said gig info do include >> > our last names in our billing (as opposed to 'Tiffany' >> > or something) or who would like to use the site to >> > actually sell a cd. >> >> It's how they obtain exclusive rights-by-proxy to a poster's material, >> while >> >> claiming to have "non-exclusive" license to use it. >> >> Obvious that some folks haven't given up on the idea of stealing from >> artists, while claiming to protect themselves from being stolen from. >> They're not dead yet, alas. >> >> Stephen Goodman >> * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff >> * http://www.medialinenews.com >> * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack >> * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery >> >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 10:58:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42Esf103272; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rspQ/S91P4XhMo0qa4fF45dUa9r2XhRRMgeyzvolODNBR68DpPjLZSjPzjxsCg/w+1eL2RUXpYZ3dc1nXkuAV7oBxWiAnAZbUX8CLFgJ7iry0zYjUYTfdS0vWwwcVIzKmd8qnjOmCIruUdeaugsPtrdIKy2RzR21UW7FoLkpLno= ; Message-ID: <20050502145402.23628.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: RE: PCM 80...assign delay time to footpedal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-ZIKAD.A.Ey.Q8jdCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TFTR(thanks for the reply). The start-up screen says SIMM memory 4065k (or close to that, the unit is not here at work). I have figured a way to do it. I can assign a patch that is: Source=Footpedal, Destination=DelayTime Voice#(1) .....or I can assign the Soft knob as a delay time parameter, and make the Footpedal control the Softknob. Either way, I am able to advance the delay time to it's max (just over 42 seconds)....without manualy turning the Adjust knob a "bizzilion" times. I wish there was another way to easily advance the delay time without using the footpedal, as I'd like to keep the footpedal open for other assingments. =M= ---------- >is your memory wrong, what's the message when you >switch on the PCM ? >salut daniel --------- >>I've searched the manual. Maybe I missed it. >>I have the expanded memory, and under EDIT/DELAY >>TIME, >>it says 2.500ms (if I recall correctly). Now, if I >>want, 10 sec. delay ....how do I quickly advance the >>increments - without turning the dial a bizillion >>times? >> Perhaps assign it to the footpedal?? I can't find >>out how via the manual. >> >>Much thanks, >>=M= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 11:02:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42F0Ck04079; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:00:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.3b190e6b.2fa79a39@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:59:05 EDT Subject: Re: Online music hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <7TFcXB.A.19.HBkdCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/2/05 7:45:51 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: << I'm sure that if you're already making millions MySpace.com is just a spit in the bucket, if not worth the exposure to non-traditional markets. >> NPR did a profile on Sunday morning (5/1) saying that the new Nine Inch Nails album is available for streaming from MySpace.com even before the release which is tues. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 11:10:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42F5Ox04862; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:05:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <45.276a2705.2fa79b23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:02:59 EDT Subject: Re: John Abercrombie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_45.276a2705.2fa79b23_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_45.276a2705.2fa79b23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per and Kris, Believe it or not. I'm a big Abercrombie too -- ever since my first copy of the original "Gateway" album. Every time I hear the track "Unshielded Desire" it makes my socks roll up and down and then=20 blows them off. If I could play like that I could die a happy man. If I could've ever seen Abercrombie and DeJohnette duet like that live it would've come close to the same sort of satisfaction. I never heard the album "Characters" but since you say it uses=20 looping I'll now have to check it out. Thanks for mentioning it. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_45.276a2705.2fa79b23_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per and Kris,

Believe it or not. I'm a big Abercrombie too -- ever since my first
copy of the original "Gateway" album. Every time I hear the track
"Unshielded Desire" it makes my socks roll up and down and then
blows them off. If I could play like that I could die a happy man. If
I could've ever seen Abercrombie and DeJohnette duet like that live
it would've come close to the same sort of satisfaction.

I never heard the album "Characters" but since you say it uses
looping I'll now have to check it out. Thanks for mentioning it.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_45.276a2705.2fa79b23_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 11:44:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42FfkS11040; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <45.276a2705.2fa79b23@aol.com> References: <45.276a2705.2fa79b23@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <537043B5-0FCA-437D-838A-1C03E12B079A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: John Abercrombie Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:41:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 2, 2005, at 17:02, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote > Per and Kris, > > Believe it or not. I'm a big Abercrombie too -- ever since my first > copy of the original "Gateway" album. Hi Ted, Funnyily "Gateway" is the other Abercrombie album I own. I only have two and they are both vinyl. He plays some killing twang bar stuff on Gateway, I recall. > I never heard the album "Characters" but since you say it uses > looping I'll now have to check it out. Thanks for mentioning it. I wouldn't call it "a looping album". I remember tape loops appearing quite sparse in the background. But as Krispen says it's a great album! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 12:35:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42GWcH21687; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:32:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:32:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.66] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004c01c54e99$1a3179a0$6b01a8c0@khartung> From: "samba -" To: khartung@cableone.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: That note Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:30:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2005 16:30:37.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[45C72560:01C54F34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paradigm and Syntagm are terms from semiotics,an areaof philosophy that looks at how meaning works. The term paradigm shift was popularized by Thomas Kuhn in the structure of Scientific Revolutions,in which he argues that the new ways of understanding come from the outsiders,cause the insiders havetoo much invested in maintaining the established view. Syntagm refers to things like temporal/spatial qualities that are more or less permanent.Like the overall rules of sentence structure,whereas paradigms are, like nouns, verbs and adjectives,interchangeable elements that are employed to express a particular thought . In music the quality sounds coming in sequence,because of linear time,the frequency range of human hearing and the way sounds resonate in space could be called syntagmatic,while notes, beats timbres ,silences in the flow of a piece are paradigmatic. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 12:49:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42Gji025185; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:45:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:45:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.66] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050502095422.02b809c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:44:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2005 16:44:54.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[448CBEB0:01C54F36] Resent-Message-ID: <9BdwED.A.MHG.LkldCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The last one too. In Indian classical music, the first note is already playing before the performance begins. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 13:09:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42Gxgt28352; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:59:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:59:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: John Abercrombie Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:58:58 -0600 Message-ID: <002701c54f38$3bc27610$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C54F05.F1280610" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <45.276a2705.2fa79b23@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 23, in=37, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C54F05.F1280610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeahhhh!!! He has a lot of Gateway albums...Do you have his "Gateway: In the Momement"? Shubberies is haunting....the perfect avant-garde tune for me. Of course, anything he does with Dave Holland and JeJohnette is like spun gold. Hey, I was just listening to Unshield Desire, and if you like that you will really like his Timeless with Jan Hammer and DeJohnette....has that hip 70's fusion feel to it. Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Abercrombie Per and Kris, Believe it or not. I'm a big Abercrombie too -- ever since my first copy of the original "Gateway" album. Every time I hear the track "Unshielded Desire" it makes my socks roll up and down and then blows them off. If I could play like that I could die a happy man. If I could've ever seen Abercrombie and DeJohnette duet like that live it would've come close to the same sort of satisfaction. I never heard the album "Characters" but since you say it uses looping I'll now have to check it out. Thanks for mentioning it. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C54F05.F1280610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Oh=20 yeahhhh!!!  He has a lot of Gateway albums...Do you have his = "Gateway: In=20 the Momement"?  Shubberies is haunting....the perfect avant-garde = tune for=20 me. Of course, anything he does with Dave Holland and JeJohnette is like = spun=20 gold.  Hey, I was just listening to Unshield Desire, and if you = like that=20 you will really like his Timeless with Jan Hammer and DeJohnette....has = that hip=20 70's fusion feel to it.
 
Kris
 
 

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, = May 02,=20 2005 9:03 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: John=20 Abercrombie

Per and=20 Kris,

Believe it or not. I'm a big Abercrombie too -- ever = since my=20 first
copy of the original "Gateway" album. Every time I hear the=20 track
"Unshielded Desire" it makes my socks roll up and down and = then=20
blows them off. If I could play like that I could die a happy man. = If
I=20 could've ever seen Abercrombie and DeJohnette duet like that = live
it=20 would've come close to the same sort of satisfaction.

I never = heard the=20 album "Characters" but since you say it uses
looping I'll now have = to=20 check it out. Thanks for mentioning it.

Best = regards,

tEd ®=20 kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C54F05.F1280610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 13:25:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42HHhr31935; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:17:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050502171715.80097.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: S.F. Bay Area Living Room Concerts? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Count me in for sure. I've toyed with this idea before but never had the space (until now) to host something like this. Perhaps I could host one later as part of a series? Mark --- Scott Drengsen wrote: > I'm thinking of hosting a series of concerts . They > would take place in > my living room or the Yoga Studio down the street > (depending upon the > amount of interest) and will almost certainly be > happening on Saturday > evening. So far the only "plan" is to support a deep > and intimate > listening experience for 10 to 25 people and to > feature solo artists > whose work would shine in this environment.(I'll be > burning incense and > serving(legal) mood enhancing tea)I'm also planning > on playing the > first set whenever it seems like a nice fit. I'm > also open to > collaboration/jamming. > Who would be interested in attending or playing at > something like this?? > Please let me know. I'm also open to anyone helping > me put it together > and pulling it off. > PEACE > Scott > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 13:37:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42HYY303538; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <67.441c08ae.2fa7be55@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:33:09 EDT Subject: Re: Re: John Abercrombie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_67.441c08ae.2fa7be55_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_67.441c08ae.2fa7be55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, I also have Gateway "Homecoming" -- which is pretty, but pretty=20 laid back too. I guess I really do like that '70s fusion feel. I suppose=20 I'm showing my age. I do listen to the old Mahavishnu recordings an=20 awful lot. Heheheh. The drummer I most frequently collaborate with, Bob Sterling, studied=20 with DeJohnette in NYC when he was a youngster. Not that he's a=20 "clone" at all, it just that he is listening and changing and fluid every=20 little bit of the time like DeJohnette is.=20 The other Abercrombie disks I have are the self-titled "John Abercrombie /Marc Johnson/Peter Erskin" CD and the more recent "Cat 'n' Mouse" with the fabulous Joey Baron on drums, Marc Johnson again on double-bass,=20 and Mark Feldman on violin (which I like a lot).=20 I've some dandy Abercrombie albums on factory cassettes too but I hardly=20 ever listen to them anymore 'cause I don't have a cassette player in the=20 car any more (and haven't had one in the house fer years). Time marches on. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_67.441c08ae.2fa7be55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

I also have Gateway "Homecoming" -- which is pretty, but pretty
laid back too. I guess I really do like that '70s fusion feel. I suppose I'm showing my age. I do listen to the old Mahavishnu recordings an
awful lot. Heheheh.

The drummer I most frequently collaborate with, Bob Sterling, studied
with DeJohnette in NYC when he was a youngster. Not that he's a
"clone" at all, it just that he is listening and changing and fluid every little bit of the time like DeJohnette is.

The other Abercrombie disks I have are the self-titled "John Abercrombie
/Marc Johnson/Peter Erskin" CD and the more recent "Cat 'n' Mouse"
with the fabulous Joey Baron on drums, Marc Johnson again on double-bass, and Mark Feldman on violin (which I like a lot).

I've some dandy Abercrombie albums on factory cassettes too but I hardly ever listen to them anymore 'cause I don't have a cassette player in the car any more (and haven't had one in the house fer years). Time marches on.<= BR>
Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_67.441c08ae.2fa7be55_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 13:53:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42Hp3k05655; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:51:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Re: John Abercrombie Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:50:29 -0600 Message-ID: <006101c54f3f$6e6601c0$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C54F0D.23CB91C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <67.441c08ae.2fa7be55@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 23, in=36, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C54F0D.23CB91C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have cassettes? In that case, this song's for you Ted... :) http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/King%20Crimson%20-%20THRAK%20-%2003%20-% 20Dinosaur.mp3 heh heh....crank it up man!!!! Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: John Abercrombie Kris, I also have Gateway "Homecoming" -- which is pretty, but pretty laid back too. I guess I really do like that '70s fusion feel. I suppose I'm showing my age. I do listen to the old Mahavishnu recordings an awful lot. Heheheh. The drummer I most frequently collaborate with, Bob Sterling, studied with DeJohnette in NYC when he was a youngster. Not that he's a "clone" at all, it just that he is listening and changing and fluid every little bit of the time like DeJohnette is. The other Abercrombie disks I have are the self-titled "John Abercrombie /Marc Johnson/Peter Erskin" CD and the more recent "Cat 'n' Mouse" with the fabulous Joey Baron on drums, Marc Johnson again on double-bass, and Mark Feldman on violin (which I like a lot). I've some dandy Abercrombie albums on factory cassettes too but I hardly ever listen to them anymore 'cause I don't have a cassette player in the car any more (and haven't had one in the house fer years). Time marches on. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C54F0D.23CB91C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
You=20 have cassettes? In that case, this song's for you Ted... = :)
 
http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/King%20Crimson%20-= %20THRAK%20-%2003%20-%20Dinosaur.mp3
 
heh=20 heh....crank it up man!!!!
 
Kris
 
 
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, = May 02,=20 2005 11:33 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Re: John=20 Abercrombie

Kris,

I also have=20 Gateway "Homecoming" -- which is pretty, but pretty
laid back too. = I guess=20 I really do like that '70s fusion feel. I suppose
I'm showing my = age. I do=20 listen to the old Mahavishnu recordings an
awful lot. = Heheheh.

The=20 drummer I most frequently collaborate with, Bob Sterling, studied =
with=20 DeJohnette in NYC when he was a youngster. Not that he's a
"clone" = at all,=20 it just that he is listening and changing and fluid every
little = bit of=20 the time like DeJohnette is.

The other Abercrombie disks I = have are=20 the self-titled "John Abercrombie
/Marc Johnson/Peter Erskin" CD = and the=20 more recent "Cat 'n' Mouse"
with the fabulous Joey Baron on drums, = Marc=20 Johnson again on double-bass,
and Mark Feldman on violin (which I = like a=20 lot).

I've some dandy Abercrombie albums on factory cassettes = too but=20 I hardly
ever listen to them anymore 'cause I don't have a = cassette player=20 in the
car any more (and haven't had one in the house fer years). = Time=20 marches on.

Best regards,

tEd ® = kiLLiAn

"Different is not=20 always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
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Speaking of pupils of DeJohnette, in my opinion it wouldn't hurt most drummers I know (both personal acquaintances and celebrities) a bit if they'd turn to be a bit of a DeJohnette clone ;). I heard DeJohnette a great many times back in the days (~ end of eighties/early nineties) where I ran to about every jazz concert which looked only vaguely interesting. Among the nice experiences in my memory is Gateway, especially DeJohnette's piano playing! Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mai 2005 19:50 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Re: John Abercrombie You have cassettes? In that case, this song's for you Ted... :) http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/King%20Crimson%20-%20THRAK%20-%2003%20-% 20Dinosaur.mp3 heh heh....crank it up man!!!! Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: John Abercrombie Kris, I also have Gateway "Homecoming" -- which is pretty, but pretty laid back too. I guess I really do like that '70s fusion feel. I suppose I'm showing my age. I do listen to the old Mahavishnu recordings an awful lot. Heheheh. The drummer I most frequently collaborate with, Bob Sterling, studied with DeJohnette in NYC when he was a youngster. Not that he's a "clone" at all, it just that he is listening and changing and fluid every little bit of the time like DeJohnette is. The other Abercrombie disks I have are the self-titled "John Abercrombie /Marc Johnson/Peter Erskin" CD and the more recent "Cat 'n' Mouse" with the fabulous Joey Baron on drums, Marc Johnson again on double-bass, and Mark Feldman on violin (which I like a lot). I've some dandy Abercrombie albums on factory cassettes too but I hardly ever listen to them anymore 'cause I don't have a cassette player in the car any more (and haven't had one in the house fer years). Time marches on. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 16:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42K3uZ08297; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Re: John Abercrombie Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:03:24 -0600 Message-ID: <007701c54f51$ffe8cf80$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000901c54f4c$9905a540$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 23, in=41, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j42K3Wx08095 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Speaking of pupils of DeJohnette, in my opinion it wouldn't hurt most drummers I know (both personal acquaintances and celebrities) a bit if they'd turn to be a bit of a DeJohnette clone ;). Or Peter Erskine....another amazing drummer, loose feel, very touchy feely, sensitive, interesting ride technique, etc. All monsters. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mai 2005 19:50 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Re: John Abercrombie You have cassettes? In that case, this song's for you Ted... :) http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/King%20Crimson%20-%20THRAK%20-%2003%20-% 20Dinosaur.mp3 heh heh....crank it up man!!!! Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: John Abercrombie Kris, I also have Gateway "Homecoming" -- which is pretty, but pretty laid back too. I guess I really do like that '70s fusion feel. I suppose I'm showing my age. I do listen to the old Mahavishnu recordings an awful lot. Heheheh. The drummer I most frequently collaborate with, Bob Sterling, studied with DeJohnette in NYC when he was a youngster. Not that he's a "clone" at all, it just that he is listening and changing and fluid every little bit of the time like DeJohnette is. The other Abercrombie disks I have are the self-titled "John Abercrombie /Marc Johnson/Peter Erskin" CD and the more recent "Cat 'n' Mouse" with the fabulous Joey Baron on drums, Marc Johnson again on double-bass, and Mark Feldman on violin (which I like a lot). I've some dandy Abercrombie albums on factory cassettes too but I hardly ever listen to them anymore 'cause I don't have a cassette player in the car any more (and haven't had one in the house fer years). Time marches on. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 17:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42L9Sq01376; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.182] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <007701c54f51$ffe8cf80$6d01a8c0@khartung> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: John Abercrombie Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 14:08:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2005 21:08:17.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F88A9C0:01C54F5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like DeJohnette alot,he can play a solo that has a melody and not drop the melody in pursuit of chops,but he's got chops for days. I don't mean the head either,drums can have their own kind of melody. I wish more players of all instruments understood that. The guy I think is really outstanding for touch and go in the moment expressive drumming,as opposed to repeateing mechanical patterns(chops) is Bob Moses From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 19:26:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j42NNtA21147; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:23:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:23:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "JP Mercury" To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, freewheeling-user@lists.sourceforge.net, jan.weil@web.de Subject: [Announce] [LAB] FreeWheeling 0.5pre4 released Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:22:28 -0600 Message-Id: <20050502231220.M72998@stickist.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.20 20031018 X-OriginatingIP: 24.87.34.175 (swirlee) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <76crsD.A.xIF.rZrdCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone, Version 0.5pre4 of FreeWheeling, a live looper for Linux, is now available: A substantial new release, version 0.5pre4 adds support for saving -and- loading of loops and banks of loops (called scenes). You can now return to expand on previous improvisations. New loop and scene browsers allow you to sift through your library of loops, and a new disk storage scheme intelligently identifies loops by MD5 digest. Also new is full support for stereo inputs and loops. FreeWheeling correctly handles stereo channels. When no channels are stereo, it automatically stores audio in mono to save memory and disk space. Several other enhancements, such as multiple switchable MIDI outputs and peak level indicators, make FreeWheeling easier to use as a live controller and interface for other Linux audio apps. Details: 2005-05-02 v0.5pre4 Many thanks to Sune Mai for several clever fixes, to Plutek for your generous donation, and to all of you for inspiration and feedback: Wolfgang Woehl, Mark Knecht, Shayne O'Connor, Esben Stien, Gregory Maxwell... ** FreeWheeling now requires libvorbisfile. New Features ------------ * Go back to previous improvisations - Saving -and- loading of loops and scenes of many loops - Integrated browser for scenes, loops, and FluidSynth patches - Loops and scenes are sorted by time in browser QuickStart: Use F8 to save a loop, F7 to save a scene of all loops, F9 to toggle auto-saving of all loops, 'b' to switch browsers from FluidSynth to Loops to Scenes, 'enter' to load the selected loop or scene, Shift +/- jumps to the next group of scenes or loops on disk (at least an hour different in time) When loading a scene, the loops are restored to their original placement. When loading a single loop, it goes to the footswitch (SW) by default. You can then move it to any QWERTY or MIDI key by pressing that key. FreeWheeling no longer saves in folders save1, save2, etc. A new library folder (by default, fw-lib/) contains all your loops, scenes, and live mixes. A new script scripts/godelete-date, can be used to delete loops and scenes from your library by date. * Full stereo support - Individual inputs configurable stereo or mono - Automatic stereo or mono loops - FluidSynth in stereo or mono QuickStart: In ~/.fweelin.rc find: This configures two mono and one stereo input. FreeWheeling no longer auto-connects to system inputs and outputs. You only need to configure what kinds of inputs you'd like. Please note that, for now, you need to manually add displays and keyboard mappings for any inputs you add. The rest is handled automatically. * Multiple ALSA MIDI outputs - Send live MIDI messages to different MIDI ports to control different Linux apps in real-time QuickStart: Use "m" key to switch MIDI outputs. The default configuration, defines two MIDI outputs. "m" toggles between the two outputs and the internal FluidSynth. * Configurable limiter - Max gain, threshold, and release rate can be changed - By default, limiter no longer raises gain above 100% See help in ~/.fweelin.rc * Input level displays - Peak levels for each input are now shown * Footpedal volume adjust configuration QuickStart: Use MIDI controller 1 to control individual input levels. Press keyboard 1-4 to select input. Then move CC1 to adjust volume. Or press and hold keyboard 1-4 while moving CC1 to jump to a new pedal value without adjusting volume. In ~/.fweelin.rc, see: You can change the CC# and max volume. * Laptop keyboard configuration QuickStart: If you are using FW on a laptop, you probably don't have easy access to some keys. I've provided a laptop keyboard configuration which remaps some keys. In the help pages, the new keys are shown in square brackets. To enable this configuration, edit ~/.fweelin.rc: init="0" becomes init="1" * Config file version checking - If your config file is out of date, FreeWheeling will ask whether you'd like a new one installed. This means you never have to manually erase ~/.fweelin.rc. Fixes ----- * fixed MIDI note off being misinterpreted on keyboards that send note on with velocity 0 * JACK ports are no longer auto-connected * fixed startup hang on some systems (mutex init problem) * fixed bug in block memory allocator Recycle() that causes a segfault during bursting of many events * compile fix error: 'ISO C++ forbids cast to non-reference type used as l-value' in RTNew() * footswitch is now controller 64 by default, not 67 * several keys have been remapped- see the help for details Regards, JP Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 21:12:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4319QF18942; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "JP Mercury" To: Lee Revell , A list for linux audio users Cc: freewheeling-user-admin@lists.sourceforge.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, freewheeling-user@lists.sourceforge.net, jan.weil@web.de Subject: Re: [Freewheeling-user] Re: [linux-audio-user] [Announce] [LAB] FreeWheeling 0.5pre4 released Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:07:01 -0600 Message-Id: <20050503010634.M4020@stickist.com> In-Reply-To: <1115078414.27353.6.camel@mindpipe> References: <20050502231220.M72998@stickist.com> <1115078414.27353.6.camel@mindpipe> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.20 20031018 X-OriginatingIP: 24.87.34.175 (swirlee) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Lee. Forgot that simple touch. http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, 02 May 2005 20:00:13 -0400, Lee Revell wrote > On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 17:22 -0600, JP Mercury wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Version 0.5pre4 of FreeWheeling, a live looper for Linux, is now available: > > > > Just FYI, a URL would be helpful, just to save people a google search > > (and because googling "freewheeling" doesn't turn up your page, > though "freewheeling live looper" does it). > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/freewheeling/ > > Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 21:31:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j431SGW21351; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200505030126.j431Qux21171@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=B4y7OKypTk3gUU+isSveHXKdk6hEeZJjCI2L9UVDQV+ouEHObe3qnuWFez0Q7Wrk; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: , Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . .(Masada) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:26:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C54F5D.A78548D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcVOXtwKGnleg/BqSK2M4mG3btegWwBH5yGA In-Reply-To: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcb2f5c642234c4f4e15eec828c05f6170350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.34.56.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C54F5D.A78548D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of MASADA.does anyone on the list have Electric Masada IV? It's one of the volumes released from the performances at Tonic in NYC 2003, during the month of John Zorn's 50th birthday celebration? I highly recommend it, as it is a conundrum of music and loops. Marc Ribot (guitarist extraordinaire) and various others perform.including the likes of Ikue Mori on laptop and electronics. Many influences as Ted described, too.world music at it's most sick & twisted. Peace & loops, Ed in NJ _____ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: That first note (or loop) . . . Per (et al), In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes: I think this is one of the keys for doing a good live performance. The first note you play is the most important! It has to be mean as hell. It has to be magnificent. The first note (or loop) you play has to sum up emotionally what you are going to do, why you are standing there on the stage. The first note justifies the concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the gig. That's probably why I may never be very good at this. The first note (or lick, or loop) IS important to me -- I build off of it. But it's not THAT important. I almost prefer to start out with a whisper of something -- or some musical bit or fragment that is sooo minimal that it almost means nothing more than a pulse or slight suggestion of key -- the more ambiguous the better. And, THEN build toward something. One of my favorite compositional techniques is to gradually lure the listener in (promising nothing, but suggesting all sorts of vague mysterious possibilities) and then, suddenly, WHACK them on the side of the head! An example of that is easily heard (before and after) the woozy, depressive eBow intro to the track "Cauterant Baptism" on my CD. Nothing of what's heard BEFORE gives much of a hint of what's coming down the pike right at you AFTER. You can sense something is coming but have no idea what. I like doing that. But then I AM a little sick and twisted anyway. I once saw John Zorn play a rare gig in Southern California with his band, Masada. The opening act was a very creative and LOUD local rock band. When Zorn and Co. took the stage they all played acoustically and very quietly at first -- almost below the level of the ability of audience at the back of the room to even hear. Nothing had been said. But, the voices and clinking glasses all gradually hushed as everyone strained to hear. Folks were leaning forward in their seats -- expectant. This went on for a minute or two -- 'til there was absolute silence except or the band. Then WHAMMM!!! The players launched full-force into what they are known to do -- a sort of loud, scabrous, free-form, harmolodic mix of squealing, ear-blistering free jazz and klezmer music that had the crown stamping and cheering. That's about the best example of what I'm talking about I've ever seen or heard. It's impressed me ever since. Like I said, I'm sick and twisted. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C54F5D.A78548D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Speaking of MASADA…does anyone on the list have Electric Masada IV? It’s one of the = volumes released from the performances at Tonic

in NYC 2003, during the month of = John Zorn’s 50th birthday celebration? I highly recommend it, as it is a conundrum of music and loops.

 

Marc Ribot (guitarist = extraordinaire) and various others perform…including the likes of Ikue Mori on laptop = and electronics. Many influences

as Ted described, too…world = music at it’s most sick & twisted…

 

Peace & = loops,

 

Ed in = NJ

 

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 30, = 2005 1:18 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: That first note = (or loop) . . .

 

Per (et al),

In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes:


I think this is = one of the keys for doing a good live performance.
The first note you play is the most important! It has to be mean
as hell. It has to be magnificent. The first note (or loop) you play =
has to sum up emotionally what you are going to do, why you
are standing there on the stage. The first note justifies the 
concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the = gig.


That's probably why I may never be very good at this. The first note =
(or lick, or loop) IS important to me -- I build off of it. But it's not = THAT
important. I almost prefer to start out with a whisper of something = --
or some musical bit or fragment that is sooo minimal that it almost
means nothing more than a pulse or slight suggestion of key -- the
more ambiguous the better. And, THEN build toward something.

One of my favorite compositional techniques is to gradually lure the =
listener in (promising nothing, but suggesting all sorts of vague = mysterious
possibilities) and then, suddenly, WHACK them on the side of the head! = An
example of that is easily heard (before and after) the woozy, depressive =
eBow intro to the track "Cauterant Baptism" on my CD. Nothing = of what's
heard BEFORE gives much of a hint of what's coming down the pike right =
at you AFTER. You can sense something is coming but have no idea = what.

I like doing that. But then I AM a little sick and twisted anyway.

I once saw John Zorn play a rare gig in Southern California with his band,
Masada. The opening act was a very = creative and LOUD local rock band.
When Zorn and Co. took the stage they all played acoustically and very =
quietly at first -- almost below the level of the ability of audience at = the
back of the room to even hear. Nothing had been said. But, the voices =
and clinking glasses all gradually hushed as everyone strained to = hear.
Folks were leaning forward in their seats -- expectant. This went on =
for a minute or two -- 'til there was absolute silence except or the = band.
Then WHAMMM!!! The players launched full-force into what they are
known to do -- a sort of loud, scabrous, free-form, harmolodic mix
of squealing, ear-blistering free jazz and klezmer music that had = the
crown stamping and cheering. That's about the best example of what
I'm talking about I've ever seen or heard. It's impressed me ever = since.

Like I said, I'm sick and twisted.

Best = regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an = artist."

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C54F5D.A78548D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 2 22:41:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j432ceb09258; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017601c54f89$13fcb6d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: re: rick walker's latest release Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:37:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <_or3YD.A.nLC.0PudCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gosh, Luis, I was so seriously afraid of tracking vocals (and writing lyrics) on that tune for the first time that your ringing endorsement of it just has me overwhelmed and really happy...............thanks, brother............you made my day. After hearing your really great pop project that's a really high compliment. I wish we lived closer than 6,000 miles from one another...............what a band we'd have, eh, carnal? I'm already working really hard on writing for a whole project for Ultra Violette because of the good response. Makes me glad I took on that fear. thanks muchly, really! Rick luis angulo wrote: "gang i just want to let you know how cool Rick Walkers lattest release is, i just down loaded "IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THEY SAY" and was really impressed with his singing capabilities! ive been to Ricks sound laboratory and love his inventions but now he is applying them in a very groovy way,definetly a must get,good job Rick! cheers, Luis." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 01:19:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j435GTr11986; Tue, 3 May 2005 01:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QND+SS5Yt+/DBIn6oGXWPg5BLahQgKyE29x8J+Q7f97EyO+h5LfpQD3emvzN/fX5jwCbvYqPR1qAYpjHTljMOX2GnDPf2ty71fW1iLZU3hi6yiSPv29MybW2L2Gaocxxge4NbbhIybUxV3PYOH6xgGMW8MeQiB6OGw3l5JwXR28= ; Message-ID: <20050503051502.51802.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: DigiTech RDS 3.6 fer sale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I got this delay, it had scratchy pots, so I replaced the input/output/mix/feedback potentiometers. I have too many delays, and it makes my life confusing, so.... http://losangeles.craigslist.org/msg/71359123.html If one of you LD guys wants it, I'll cut you a deal. Make me a realistic offer. =Randy= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 03:34:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j437Vbe17204; Tue, 3 May 2005 03:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 03:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 09:39:19 +0200 Subject: RE: John Abercrombie From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ID: GupJ7+ZBre98dZSTF95G-9t7Fiq04A7nbJzxc5wDxEMQMIwZgEiwYW X-TOI-MSGID: 4cad8139-6264-448b-bb82-9925f1f27de3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, John is the man! The first Gateway is great at whammy bar/volume pedal type stuff even before Bill Frisell hit the scene - phantastic balance of energy and elegance with a free spirit. As I recall on Characters it's all multitracked. He never toured with that material because he would have had to use a tape machine to play back the backgrounds, but John and Ralph Towner had a great duo that did tours. As it happens we had a public jam last week in a g/p/b/dr format here at a Berlin jazz club with tunes from that very period and did Ralph's Piano Waltz and Foolish Door by John. It was so much fun that we consider turning it into a project...well, so little time, so many ideas.......Regards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 04:08:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4385W125767; Tue, 3 May 2005 04:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 04:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: John Abercrombie Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:04:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 3, 2005, at 9:39, Andreas Willers wrote: > Yeah, John is the man! The first Gateway is great at whammy bar/ > volume pedal > type stuff even before Bill Frisell hit the scene - phantastic > balance of > energy and elegance with a free spirit. As I recall on Characters > it's all > multitracked. He never toured with that material because he would > have had > to use a tape machine to play back the backgrounds, but John and Ralph > Towner had a great duo that did tours. yeah. I have their Sargasso Sea album. Another nice one from that era! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 04:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j438Isu28928; Tue, 3 May 2005 04:18:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 04:18:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.0.225] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PCM 80...assign delay time to footpedal? Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:18:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2005 08:18:32.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1C56E50:01C54FB8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok The memory seems ok, In the control row don't forget to assign the foot pédal and the two footswitch, try to use adjust with points 0 1 2 3 on source please give me the name of the algorythm you use so i should try the same way mi own PCM 80 is a 1.1 version and i use a foot pédal to control it salut Daniel >From: Randy Leifer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: PCM 80...assign delay time to footpedal? >Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT) > >TFTR(thanks for the reply). >The start-up screen says SIMM memory 4065k (or close >to that, the unit is not here at work). >I have figured a way to do it. I can assign a patch >that is: Source=Footpedal, Destination=DelayTime >Voice#(1) >.....or I can assign the Soft knob as a delay time >parameter, and make the Footpedal control the >Softknob. > >Either way, I am able to advance the delay time to >it's max (just over 42 seconds)....without manualy >turning the Adjust knob a "bizzilion" times. >I wish there was another way to easily advance the >delay time without using the footpedal, as I'd like to >keep the footpedal open for other assingments. >=M= > >---------- > >is your memory wrong, what's the message when you > >switch on the PCM ? > > >salut daniel >--------- > >>I've searched the manual. Maybe I missed it. > >>I have the expanded memory, and under EDIT/DELAY > >>TIME, > >>it says 2.500ms (if I recall correctly). Now, if I > >>want, 10 sec. delay ....how do I quickly advance the > >>increments - without turning the dial a bizillion > >>times? > >> Perhaps assign it to the footpedal?? I can't find > >>out how via the manual. > >> > >>Much thanks, > >>=M= > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : personnalisez votre messagerie instantanée ! http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 04:35:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j438WDt31496; Tue, 3 May 2005 04:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 04:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4361a22c277e5e3f83c72bd303cec500@telia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brakophonic Subject: Re: John Abercrombie Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:31:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just put the lp on forgot that i had that one i'ts probably mutlitracked and not looped as you mentioned but there's a lot of repetitive stuff going on there great album , cheers for bringing it to my attention i haven't listened to it for years but i had the fortune to get hold of my old vinylplayer and slowly rediscovering the lps there's a lot of good recordings with de johnette and abercrombie apart from the gateway albums there's the directions and new directions Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-05-03 kl. 09.39 Andreas Willers wrote : > Yeah, John is the man! The first Gateway is great at whammy bar/volume > pedal > type stuff even before Bill Frisell hit the scene - phantastic balance > of > energy and elegance with a free spirit. As I recall on Characters it's > all > multitracked. He never toured with that material because he would have > had > to use a tape machine to play back the backgrounds, but John and Ralph > Towner had a great duo that did tours. As it happens we had a public > jam > last week in a g/p/b/dr format here at a Berlin jazz club with tunes > from > that very period and did Ralph's Piano Waltz and Foolish Door by John. > It > was so much fun that we consider turning it into a project...well, so > little > time, so many ideas.......Regards > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 04:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j438q5a03059; Tue, 3 May 2005 04:52:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 04:52:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=XtelunfrLP8I9tH9w4Ey+3hIpfSXhm0Zidhz4XnxP8LTLqOi9EG/E+sAXqgDkXEDnM+4k6SNpU0ZtRvPhlU/U9jQh32UylXcFNA71ITU1chzbcme9Ec59TuWl/ZRbNh+/8qY07jInMvBFEEhvleFZkW3D1AyOUePzY7VlhsAP+Y= ; Message-ID: <20050503084442.7159.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: RE: PCM 80...assign delay time to footpedal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, ------------------------- >The memory seems ok, >In the control row don't forget to assign the foot >pédal and the two >footswitch, ---------- This is the first time I'm trying to create my own patches with the PCM80, so thanks. ---------- >try to use adjust with points 0 1 2 3 on source --------- I'm not sure what you mean. I think you're saying there is a way to create "points" to a value setting, like 0,64,127 ("0" being zero value, "64" being middle, "127" being maximum)..??? ------------------ >please give me the name of the algorythm you use so i >should try the >same >way --------------------- I'm using "Longest Loop", and I have 2 footswitches and a footpedal available to use. Question: How many functions can the footpedal control? Many, or just one? =RANDY= ---------------- >mi own PCM 80 is a 1.1 version and i use a foot pédal to >control it > >salut Daniel ----------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 05:56:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j439rjB19109; Tue, 3 May 2005 05:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 05:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.216.253] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <9795fb31a5e9c7fd825551ec81e5275a@tuninghawaii.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: air guitar Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 02:53:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2005 09:53:19.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF3D70E0:01C54FC5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is from the April issue of New Scientist, but there is no URL link yet. AIR GUITAR Will it appeal to teenage boys or forty-something-year-old men? Sharper Image of San Francisco is patenting a games controller that allows you to produce real music while playing air guitar. The system beams out infrared light pulses and measures the time taken for them to be reflected back from, say, the hand of someone strumming Paradise City by Guns N' Roses. The makers say the system is accurate enough to track each hand and convert that action into music (US patent application 2005/0057495). It can also be used to create a virtual keyboard, à la Jean Michel Jarre, or allow gamers to pretend they are Marvelous Marvin Hagler and shadow-box a virtual opponent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 10:39:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43EQtv19008; Tue, 3 May 2005 10:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:26:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cmjgLCNe1xjByowwbsD8b1eSPGy3yIWhywHK0cuibEvXd0O0hz9kUuWzHi45Wy6sh7y00PZk+U/rOPm+z5l2F1TRKdmX10dDRdbBvu6ZMRth508c26/R5VRla0RJvTY6iGpiyQOq5+z0FJp2WEnlXiJMnauKQvf2C6UCrscdpTg= ; Message-ID: <20050503142612.32512.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind-stick Devil Subject: Re: John Abercrombie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1978415841-1115130372=:31208" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1978415841-1115130372=:31208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some of his early stuff (which contains my favorite album Arcade) was only ON vinyl until relatively recently. I finally managed to obtain a CD copy of the album a few months back after repeatedly copying the LP to cassette tape and then more recently to CD. Here's an interesting link of what's available for John Abercrombie. http://www.musicstack.com/search/abercrombie,john Brakophonic wrote: Just put the lp on forgot that i had that one i'ts probably mutlitracked and not looped as you mentioned but there's a lot of repetitive stuff going on there great album , cheers for bringing it to my attention i haven't listened to it for years but i had the fortune to get hold of my old vinylplayer and slowly rediscovering the lps there's a lot of good recordings with de johnette and abercrombie apart from the gateway albums there's the directions and new directions Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-05-03 kl. 09.39 Andreas Willers wrote : > Yeah, John is the man! The first Gateway is great at whammy bar/volume > pedal > type stuff even before Bill Frisell hit the scene - phantastic balance > of > energy and elegance with a free spirit. As I recall on Characters it's > all > multitracked. He never toured with that material because he would have > had > to use a tape machine to play back the backgrounds, but John and Ralph > Towner had a great duo that did tours. As it happens we had a public > jam > last week in a g/p/b/dr format here at a Berlin jazz club with tunes > from > that very period and did Ralph's Piano Waltz and Foolish Door by John. > It > was so much fun that we consider turning it into a project...well, so > little > time, so many ideas.......Regards > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1978415841-1115130372=:31208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Some of his early stuff (which contains my favorite album Arcade) was only ON vinyl until relatively recently. I finally managed to obtain a CD copy of the album a few months back after repeatedly copying the LP to cassette tape and then more recently to CD.
 
Here's an interesting link of what's available for John Abercrombie.
 
 


Brakophonic <brakophonic@telia.com> wrote:
Just put the lp on
forgot that i had that one
i'ts probably mutlitracked and not looped as you mentioned
but there's a lot of repetitive stuff going on there
great album , cheers for bringing it to my attention
i haven't listened to it for years
but i had the fortune to get hold of my old vinylplayer
and slowly rediscovering the lps
there's a lot of good recordings with de johnette and abercrombie
apart from the gateway albums there's the directions and new directions
Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com

2005-05-03 kl. 09.39 Andreas Willers wrote :

> Yeah, John is the man! The first Gateway is great at whammy bar/volume
> pedal
> type stuff even before Bill Frisell hit the scene - phantastic balance
> of
> energy and elegance with a free spirit. As I recall on Characters it's
> all
> multitracked. He never toured with that material because he would have
> had
> to use a tape machine to play back the backgrounds, but John and Ralph
> Towner had a great duo that did tours. As it happens we had a public
> jam
> last week in a g/p/b/dr format here at a Berlin jazz club with tunes
> from
> that very period and did Ralph's Piano Waltz and Foolish Door by John.
> It
> was so much fun that we consider turning it into a project...well, so
> little
> time, so many ideas.......Regards
>

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1978415841-1115130372=:31208-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 11:48:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43Fgng30569; Tue, 3 May 2005 11:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:41:04 EDT Subject: video demonstrations of edp? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello again from montana, i wondered if anyone knew of any video demonstrations of the edp operations. i know for myself i learn better when shown something as opposed to reading the manual. thank you, john --part1_194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello again from montana,

i wondered if anyone knew of any video demonstrations of the edp operations.=   i know for myself i learn better when shown something as opposed to=20= reading the manual.

thank you,
john --part1_194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 12:17:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43GAEc03048; Tue, 3 May 2005 12:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: John Abercrombie Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:07:59 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01c54ffa$46a23120$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050503142612.32512.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 24, in=43, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great list. "Animato" is another really interesting CD of his that I like...has an odd and deep sort of Nordic/Scandinavian feel to it....with John Christensen on percussion. ECM Records has an informative discography of his works, with a lot of credits, etc. http://www.ecmrecords.com/ Sound Samples http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000DTFM001003/1/002-90372 92-3866461 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000DTFM001005/1/002-90372 92-3866461 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000DTFM001004/1/002-90372 92-3866461 Kris -----Original Message----- From: Wind-stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Abercrombie Some of his early stuff (which contains my favorite album Arcade) was only ON vinyl until relatively recently. I finally managed to obtain a CD copy of the album a few months back after repeatedly copying the LP to cassette tape and then more recently to CD. Here's an interesting link of what's available for John Abercrombie. http://www.musicstack.com/search/abercrombie,john Brakophonic wrote: Just put the lp on forgot that i had that one i'ts probably mutlitracked and not looped as you mentioned but there's a lot of repetitive stuff going on there great album , cheers for bringing it to my attention i haven't listened to it for years but i had the fortune to get hold of my old vinylplayer and slowly rediscovering the lps there's a lot of good recordings with de johnette and abercrombie apart from the gateway albums there's the directions and new directions Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-05-03 kl. 09.39 Andreas Willers wrote : > Yeah, John is the man! The first Gateway is great at whammy bar/volume > pedal > type stuff even before Bill Frisell hit the scene - phantastic balance > of > energy and elegance with a ! free spirit. As I recall on Characters it's > all > multitracked. He never toured with that material because he would have > had > to use a tape machine to play back the backgrounds, but John and Ralph > Towner had a great duo that did tours. As it happens we had a public > jam > last week in a g/p/b/dr format here at a Berlin jazz club with tunes > from > that very period and did Ralph's Piano Waltz and Foolish Door by John. > It > was so much fun that we consider turning it into a project...well, so > little > time, so many ideas.......Regards > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 12:40:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43GR9E06046; Tue, 3 May 2005 12:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.3b48b009.2fa90034@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:26:28 EDT Subject: Re: John Abercrombie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.3b48b009.2fa90034_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d4.3b48b009.2fa90034_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, et al, In a message dated 05/03/05 9:10:33, khartung@cableone.net writes: > "Animato" is another really interesting CD >=20 Yeah. That's one of the ones I have on factory cassette that I don't get=20 much chance to listen to any more -- along with "Getting There" and "Current Events." I even have one of those old ECM "Works" anthologies of Abercrombie tunes on cassette. Darn! I wish I could afford to replace them with new CD copies -- but I can't. The better half would murder me (lol). Lately I have been making MP3 CD-Rs full of all just one artist apiece and listening to a whole day's worth of Torn, Rypdal, Frisell, Fripp, Metheny, McLaughlin, etc. It'd be nice to have enough to fill a whole=20 disk with some John Abercrombie too. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1d4.3b48b009.2fa90034_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, et al,

In a message dated 05/03/05 9:10:33, khartung@cableone.net writes:

"Animato" is another r= eally interesting CD

Yeah. That's one of the ones I have on factory cassette that I don't get much chance to listen to any more -- along with "Getting There" and
"Current Events." I even have one of those old ECM "Works" anthologies
of Abercrombie tunes on cassette. Darn! I wish I could afford to replace
them with new CD copies -- but I can't. The better half would murder me
(lol).

Lately I have been making MP3 CD-Rs full of all just one artist apiece
and listening to a whole day's worth of Torn, Rypdal, Frisell, Fripp,
Metheny, McLaughlin, etc. It'd be nice to have enough to fill a whole
disk with some John Abercrombie too.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_1d4.3b48b009.2fa90034_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 13:59:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43Hqwm21829; Tue, 3 May 2005 13:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=btx6YNlMYIYX+kRrJiam9y0zmoiJx1yQ65opBNKD/z8x2wCdbnbhKUD4jrJuM8rrPEo5XO9jVmj56mJ/2Xw9MyQcMfJvTEQBpWjy6/AXf/YQeG2BSJ//+Vu9argpBGb6S+xC+OhFPgtxgH2oY0P/GFOhVVg8T9UYjFkzfSRU78o= Message-ID: <588ce11d050503105114f0de08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:51:48 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Abercrombie In-Reply-To: <1d4.3b48b009.2fa90034@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1d4.3b48b009.2fa90034@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j43Hpmx21601 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I may be wandering way off topic, but I think it's interesting how Abercrombie seems to be getting noisier and more aggresive as he gets older. I love the old stuff, but I also love the work he's done in his organ trio with Dan Wall and Adam Nussbaum. I'm also a big fan of his (very outside) playing with the organist Jeff Palmer ("Island Universe" on Black Saint is a great album) and the two Hendrix tribute CDs with organist Dr. Lonnie Smith ("Purple Haze" and "Foxy Lady"). Quite a contrast from "Gateway". On 5/3/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Kris, et al, > > In a message dated 05/03/05 9:10:33, khartung@cableone.net writes: > > > "Animato" is another really interesting CD > > Yeah. That's one of the ones I have on factory cassette that I don't get > much chance to listen to any more -- along with "Getting There" and > "Current Events." I even have one of those old ECM "Works" anthologies > of Abercrombie tunes on cassette. Darn! I wish I could afford to replace > them with new CD copies -- but I can't. The better half would murder me > (lol). > > Lately I have been making MP3 CD-Rs full of all just one artist apiece > and listening to a whole day's worth of Torn, Rypdal, Frisell, Fripp, > Metheny, McLaughlin, etc. It'd be nice to have enough to fill a whole > disk with some John Abercrombie too. > > Best regards, > > tEd (r) kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 14:20:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43I2LO24906; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:02:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Controlling EDPs with MIDI/Behringer Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:01:43 -0600 Message-ID: <002601c5500a$2a06a220$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 24, in=38, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being a late bloomer, I am just now getting around to controlling my linked EDPs with a Behringer MIDI controller. I just about have it working great, but something odd is happening. First, both units, 1 (primary) and 2 are linked via Brother sync and MIDI. I recorded a four measure loop, and hit Record again to play it back...but what happens is that only the second EDP is playing the loop back, not the primary. I can see the Feedback LED light up on that unit, but not the primary unit. Any clues as to why this would occur? I am assuming I need to makes some changes to my MIDI parameters? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 14:22:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43IJoa27643; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QlwfHWNdTgBvJuRpwFoa0IqaHTo6dGswCnwj61eOJH5F7yVLqdkqF7yiloOEoTx2u7ny38wnDdklTxXWm1nCAuxrxqAAnEtImycyb0hHidxbYLuNC2du25PGsf3X+0x0h27BxE0A7DJiDNAU+XeR6NFPjsTKDLbYI+sss2FukiQ= ; Message-ID: <20050503181822.47587.qmail@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Trevor Davis Subject: Echoplex Perplexities To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: service@gibson.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-729279672-1115144302=:47429" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-729279672-1115144302=:47429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm hoping someone knows why sometimes when I hit multiply, it changes my startpoint. I never want my start point to change so does anyone know what parameter is making this happen? The other perplexity is that my echoplex will sometimeschange presets periodically, seemingly at random. I am using midi to control the echoplex and may hit a wrong note at times but dont you have to; go to presets, select, and load in order to change presets? Can this be done just by sending 1 wrong midi note? Thanx, Trevor. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-729279672-1115144302=:47429 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm hoping someone knows why sometimes when I hit multiply, it changes my startpoint. I never want my start point to change so does anyone know what parameter is making this happen? The other perplexity is that my echoplex will sometimeschange presets periodically, seemingly at random. I am using midi to control the echoplex and may hit a wrong note at times but dont you have to; go to presets, select, and load in order to change presets? Can this be done just by sending 1 wrong midi note?
Thanx, Trevor. 

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-729279672-1115144302=:47429-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 14:30:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43IQMV29349; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:26:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:26:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Controlling EDPs with MIDI/Behringer Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:25:08 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c5500d$6fa505d0$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 24, in=44, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, both of those parameters are set the same in mine. Thinking that it might be the unit and not MIDI, I tried my EDP controller, and everything works fine. So, it has something to do with MIDI and how that one secondary unit is set. I also switched the primary and secondary EDPs around, that unit still behaves badly...so it seems that it is something about that one unit, regardless of whether it is primary or secondary. If it is primary and my MIDI controller is going into it first, then not even the secondary (properly working) unit plays the loop back. It's like the loop playback function is not passing from the primary unit to the secondary unit. Strange. I was hoping Kim would chime in here and save the day....for those of your out using stereo EDPs and controlling them via MIDI, are both of your units set the same? Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:12 PM To: khartung@cableone.net Subject: Re: Controlling EDPs with MIDI/Behringer I seem to recall the same thing happening when my LoopCopy parameters weren't both set to the correct and identiical setting. On 5/3/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Being a late bloomer, I am just now getting around to controlling my > linked EDPs with a Behringer MIDI controller. I just about have it > working great, but something odd is happening. > > First, both units, 1 (primary) and 2 are linked via Brother sync and > MIDI. I recorded a four measure loop, and hit Record again to play it > back...but what happens is that only the second EDP is playing the > loop back, not the primary. I can see the Feedback LED light up on > that unit, but not the primary unit. Any clues as to why this would > occur? I am assuming I need to makes some changes to my MIDI > parameters? > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 14:36:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43IVG430530; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:31:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c5500e$3c2662c0$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> From: "redrum123" To: References: <20050503181822.47587.qmail@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex Perplexities Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:30:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Presets can be switched while in Reset with presses of Insert and Multiply (I believe, from memory) on the unit or footswitch. In MIDI, however, presets can be switched on the fly with one press, yes. I would double check that you are not sending preset switch messages, and then learn how to use them to your benefit because they are VERY helpful :) Unquantized Multiply will adjust your startpoint, try quantizing it to the cycle, or reducing your number of 8th notes (I keep mine set to 2, so that every command is quantized twice to the cycle, or I'll set it as 4 for longer cycles). -gsc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: service@gibson.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Echoplex Perplexities I'm hoping someone knows why sometimes when I hit multiply, it changes my startpoint. I never want my start point to change so does anyone know what parameter is making this happen? The other perplexity is that my echoplex will sometimeschange presets periodically, seemingly at random. I am using midi to control the echoplex and may hit a wrong note at times but dont you have to; go to presets, select, and load in order to change presets? Can this be done just by sending 1 wrong midi note? Thanx, Trevor. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 15:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43IsKC03703; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:54:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:54:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=i/CdsB3Wz1+1QIH7Y/bkYQwIz6I60SdgGseJFtwt6v10+SDmpElmz/RbcQXPxXawTxm9r3VDQYvkmhHd8wbQSbjEiRbSrrNK4O9hRTAfUTW9aXVYD39t436CjMtcBSe5OSC7XySy1YpKFh6KnfROrpjQWX4BPk9qH1GJEhOumms= ; Message-ID: <20050503185334.24778.qmail@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Trevor Davis Subject: Re: Echoplex Perplexities To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-834149675-1115146414=:23741" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-834149675-1115146414=:23741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanx for the heads up. I'll give it a shot! Trevor. redrum123 wrote: Presets can be switched while in Reset with presses of Insert and Multiply (I believe, from memory) on the unit or footswitch. In MIDI, however, presets can be switched on the fly with one press, yes. I would double check that you are not sending preset switch messages, and then learn how to use them to your benefit because they are VERY helpful :) Unquantized Multiply will adjust your startpoint, try quantizing it to the cycle, or reducing your number of 8th notes (I keep mine set to 2, so that every command is quantized twice to the cycle, or I'll set it as 4 for longer cycles). -gsc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: service@gibson.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Echoplex Perplexities I'm hoping someone knows why sometimes when I hit multiply, it changes my startpoint. I never want my start point to change so does anyone know what parameter is making this happen? The other perplexity is that my echoplex will sometimeschange presets periodically, seemingly at random. I am using midi to control the echoplex and may hit a wrong note at times but dont you have to; go to presets, select, and load in order to change presets? Can this be done just by sending 1 wrong midi note? Thanx, Trevor. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-834149675-1115146414=:23741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thanx for the heads up. I'll give it a shot!
Trevor.

redrum123 <redrum123@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Presets can be switched while in Reset with presses of Insert and Multiply
(I believe, from memory) on the unit or footswitch. In MIDI, however,
presets can be switched on the fly with one press, yes. I would double
check that you are not sending preset switch messages, and then learn how to
use them to your benefit because they are VERY helpful :)

Unquantized Multiply will adjust your startpoint, try quantizing it to the
cycle, or reducing your number of 8th notes (I keep mine set to 2, so that
every command is quantized twice to the cycle, or I'll set it as 4 for
longer cycles).

-gsc.


----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor Davis
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: service@gibson.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:18 PM
Subject: Echoplex Perplexities


I'm hoping someone knows why sometimes when I hit multiply, it changes my
startpoint. I never want my start point to change so does anyone know what
parameter is making this happen? The other perplexity is that my echoplex
will sometimeschange presets periodically, seemingly at random. I am using
midi to control the echoplex and may hit a wrong note at times but dont you
have to; go to presets, select, and load in order to change presets? Can
this be done just by sending 1 wrong midi note?
Thanx, Trevor.
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-834149675-1115146414=:23741-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 15:40:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43JMlx13070; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:22:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:22:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:23:30 -0700 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard a rumor about something like this some time ago. I wonder what ever happen with that? Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > hello again from montana, > > i wondered if anyone knew of any video demonstrations of the edp > operations. i know for myself i learn better when shown something as > opposed to reading the manual. > > thank you, > john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 15:53:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43JnaJ18058; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:49:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:49:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 12:48:37 -0700 Subject: Re: S.F. Bay Area Living Room Concerts? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <713817F0-BAD2-11D9-ACE8-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3197969318_8347448" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3197969318_8347448 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Scott, I=B9d be quite interested in playing/attending. Sounds fun! Dan --=20 ghost7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 5/1/05 11:21 PM, Scott Drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote: > I'm thinking of hosting a series of concerts . They would take place in > my living room or the Yoga Studio down the street (depending upon the > amount of interest) and will almost certainly be happening on Saturday > evening. So far the only "plan" is to support a deep and intimate > listening experience for 10 to 25 people and to feature solo artists > whose work would shine in this environment.(I'll be burning incense and > serving(legal) mood enhancing tea)I'm also planning on playing the > first set whenever it seems like a nice fit. I'm also open to > collaboration/jamming. > Who would be interested in attending or playing at something like this?? > Please let me know. I'm also open to anyone helping me put it together > and pulling it off. > PEACE > Scott >=20 --B_3197969318_8347448 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: S.F. Bay Area Living Room Concerts? Hi Scott,

I’d be quite interested in playing/attending. Sounds fun!

Dan


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on 5/1/05 11:21 PM, Scott Drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote:

I'm thinking of hosting a series of= concerts . They would take place in
my living room or the Yoga Studio down the street (depending upon the
amount of interest) and will almost certainly be happening on Saturday
evening. So far the only "plan" is to support a deep and intimate=
listening experience for 10 to 25 people and to feature solo artists
whose work would shine in this environment.(I'll be burning incense and serving(legal) mood enhancing tea)I'm also planning on playing the
first set whenever it seems like a nice fit. I'm also open to
collaboration/jamming.
Who would be interested in attending or playing at something like this?? Please let me know. I'm also open to anyone helping me put it together
and pulling it off.
PEACE
Scott


 --B_3197969318_8347448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 16:09:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43Jt6D19112; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:55:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:55:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W+sS8Dx9Hm3K84d9OzfZ1tWUjsIuNMsNxXeFotB137+i18ikJxlsHTQYri6tF4LceFYk6Gvas7Ju7sESnPsDpHnUjhQ0p6Sh/UxX1on2WJ3of0EFuwRdssGQdy7vVpnLGzPo2Gw++ubn7QerGqo50JBslSZbS0EP2ef5Z8oxZe4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:54:31 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? In-Reply-To: <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j43Jsbx18910 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A lot of work required, not terribly "enjoyable" to produce in and of itself, little promise of monetary return, thus probably consigned to the "Bright Ideas" box for the foreseeable future. On 5/3/05, armatronix wrote: > I heard a rumor about something like this some time ago. I wonder what > ever happen with that? > > Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 16:13:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43KAnm24464; Tue, 3 May 2005 16:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050503204655.02b3cb80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:07:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Controlling EDPs with MIDI/Behringer In-Reply-To: <200505031907.j43J7Un08914@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505031907.j43J7Un08914@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-3g21C.A.-4F.yp9dCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Kris > So, it has something to do with MIDI and how that >one secondary unit is set. I also switched the primary and secondary >EDPs around, that unit still behaves badly...so it seems that it is >something about that one unit, regardless of whether it is primary or >secondary. If it is primary and my MIDI controller is going into it >first, then not even the secondary (properly working) unit plays the >loop back. It's like the loop playback function is not passing from the >primary unit to the secondary unit. Strange. So it would be informative to try just the "defective" edp with the controller and see what happens. ..from what you say, you imply that the "bad" unit reacts to both presses of record, and is looping silence of the correct length. ...but I only guess that because you say the feedback LED is the main symptom. If this isn't the case, then the answer is to set Controlsource= not. I'd try powering up while holding the param button, for a factory reset. (but just check all the current params first for match with the good unit) If this doesn't help, please provide more details. >I was hoping Kim would chime in here and save the day....for those of >your out using stereo EDPs and controlling them via MIDI, are both of >your units set the same? for stereo they have to be exactly the same andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 16:21:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43KAew24429; Tue, 3 May 2005 16:10:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:10:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.92,151,1112587200"; d="scan'208"; a="29894733:sNHT23326688" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050503130738.019e3ab8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:08:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? In-Reply-To: <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wink, wink, nudge, nudge... At 2005.05.03 11:23 AM, armatronix wrote: >I heard a rumor about something like this some time ago. I wonder what >ever happen with that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 17:15:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43LA7b09596; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: video demonstrations of edp? Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:08:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVQHI3nu8N9duQ8RJaTxdyEIAwjRAAB2gUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050503130738.019e3ab8@mail02.powweb.com> Message-Id: <20050503210858.YCFZ22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So who has the raw footage of ALaF? Hans? Gary PS I just saved a bunch of .avi files to DVD-RWs--who wants to see me flounder? I'll send you a smidge . . . G -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? wink, wink, nudge, nudge... At 2005.05.03 11:23 AM, armatronix wrote: >I heard a rumor about something like this some time ago. I wonder what >ever happen with that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 17:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43L7FZ08800; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: RE: Controlling EDPs with MIDI/Behringer Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:06:28 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c55023$f9b23390$6d01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050503204655.02b3cb80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 24, in=40, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> hi Kris > So, it has something to do with MIDI and how that >one secondary unit is set. I also switched the primary and secondary >EDPs around, that unit still behaves badly...so it seems that it is >something about that one unit, regardless of whether it is primary or >secondary. If it is primary and my MIDI controller is going into it >first, then not even the secondary (properly working) unit plays the >loop back. It's like the loop playback function is not passing from the >primary unit to the secondary unit. Strange. >> So it would be informative to try just the "defective" edp with the controller and see what happens. Good point. Just tried, and it still occurs. I press record, record a loop, press record again....the loop plays back for one cycle and stops. But the switches and timing LEDs continue to blink at the beginning of silent loop. Hmmmm..... >> ..from what you say, you imply that the "bad" unit reacts to both presses of record, and is looping silence of the correct length...but I only guess that because you say the feedback LED is the main symptom. Yes, it behaves as I describe above, but the only difference is that the feedback LED does not blink. >> If this isn't the case, then the answer is to set Controlsource= not. Already set to Not on both units. >> I'd try powering up while holding the param button, for a factory reset. (but just check all the current params first for match with the good unit) I'll wait until you synthesize my new info, using just one unit. Thanks, Kris >I was hoping Kim would chime in here and save the day....for those of >your out using stereo EDPs and controlling them via MIDI, are both of >your units set the same? for stereo they have to be exactly the same andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 17:24:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43L9Sg09428; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4277E86C.4090400@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:09:00 -0700 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All of this is true, but my understanding was that a product was essentially ready for market before one of the collaborators lost interest. Travis Hartnett wrote: >A lot of work required, not terribly "enjoyable" to produce in and of >itself, little promise of monetary return, thus probably consigned to >the "Bright Ideas" box for the foreseeable future. > >On 5/3/05, armatronix wrote: > > >>I heard a rumor about something like this some time ago. I wonder what >>ever happen with that? >> >>Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 17:26:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43LNk413012; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4277EB6A.7020406@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:21:46 -0700 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20050503141432.019f5d68@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050503141432.019f5d68@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two is the correct number. Sean Echevarria wrote: > I knew of two collaborators. How many were there? > > At 2005.05.03 02:09 PM, armatronix wrote: > >> All of this is true, but my understanding was that a product was >> essentially ready for market before one of the collaborators lost >> interest. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 17:32:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43LGJs11090; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.92,152,1112587200"; d="scan'208"; a="29946608:sNHT18697636" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050503141432.019f5d68@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:15:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? In-Reply-To: <4277E86C.4090400@sbcglobal.net> References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I knew of two collaborators. How many were there? At 2005.05.03 02:09 PM, armatronix wrote: >All of this is true, but my understanding was that a product was >essentially ready for market before one of the collaborators lost interest. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 17:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43LOAC13339; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:24:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:24:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4277EBA5.4010700@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:22:45 -0700 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? References: <20050503210858.YCFZ22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20050503210858.YCFZ22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are probably a couple of tapes around here somewhere... Gary Lehmann wrote: >So who has the raw footage of ALaF? Hans? >Gary > >PS I just saved a bunch of .avi files to DVD-RWs--who wants to see me >flounder? I'll send you a smidge . . . >G > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:08 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? > >wink, wink, nudge, nudge... > >At 2005.05.03 11:23 AM, armatronix wrote: > > >>I heard a rumor about something like this some time ago. I wonder what >>ever happen with that? >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 17:42:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43LOog13661; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:24:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:24:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PrmnSXx2Y9gw0F7jYiTmU1DY46KhEfKx4Bx9MNO0vIZ6VZSroF5ZnbPSTEfGbePblAr6Z6dFHeV32ISpa6yfaY9YiQJZkx7tM5tXuoRl5/46kfasCGEdpplrF6ypAXcosqLPeLkY6EUYl2NPaD2vzNWl8TBFk4BRQA7zX1pinDw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:24:13 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050503141432.019f5d68@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> <4277E86C.4090400@sbcglobal.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20050503141432.019f5d68@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j43LOIx13438 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZfOMC.A.RSD.Dw-dCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's just Andre and Hans, but given that it dates back to 2003, and seemed to have stalled at the rough cut, chances of it being released seem slim. On 5/3/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: > I knew of two collaborators. How many were there? > > At 2005.05.03 02:09 PM, armatronix wrote: > >All of this is true, but my understanding was that a product was > >essentially ready for market before one of the collaborators lost interest. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 18:34:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43MUw230177; Tue, 3 May 2005 18:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.269ac203.2fa95546@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:29:26 EDT Subject: OT: Cream Alber Hall Concert (36 years later) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8e.269ac203.2fa95546_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8e.269ac203.2fa95546_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Sorry for the off-topic message, but it's cool news for some of us old fogies news. Perhaps out of 4 nights of sold-out concerts we can hope for a concert DVD sometime soon. Go to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4506185.stm But good news for old foggies (like me) Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_8e.269ac203.2fa95546_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Sorry for the off-topic message, but it's cool news for some
of us old fogies news. Perhaps out of 4 nights of sold-out
concerts we can hope for a concert DVD sometime soon.

Go to:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4506185.stm

= But good news for old foggies (like me)

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
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and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

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 --part1_8e.269ac203.2fa95546_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 19:21:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43N7lH11039; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c55034$d2dc1f90$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <8e.269ac203.2fa95546@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cream Alber Hall Concert (36 years later) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:07:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C5503D.33D5E490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZCpRC.A.HpC.fQAeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C5503D.33D5E490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They'd bloody well better make a DVD - do ya think they had it on their = minds? - with tix going for as much as =A32000 apiece. Hopefully it'll = be under =A350... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 23:29 PM Subject: OT: Cream Alber Hall Concert (36 years later) Hi all, Sorry for the off-topic message, but it's cool news for some of us old fogies news. Perhaps out of 4 nights of sold-out concerts we can hope for a concert DVD sometime soon. Go to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4506185.stm But good news for old foggies (like me) Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C5503D.33D5E490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They'd bloody well better make a DVD - do ya think = they had it=20 on their minds? - with tix going for as much as =A32000 = apiece. =20 Hopefully it'll be under =A350...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 = 23:29=20 PM
Subject: OT: Cream Alber Hall = Concert (36=20 years later)

Hi all,

Sorry for the off-topic = message,=20 but it's cool=20 news for some
of us old fogies news. Perhaps out of 4 nights of=20 sold-out
concerts we can hope for a concert DVD sometime = soon.

Go = to:

http://news= .bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4506185.stm

But good news = for old foggies=20 (like me)

Best regards,

tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

"Different is not=20 always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C5503D.33D5E490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 19:30:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j43NIUx13494; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:18:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:18:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.92,152,1112587200"; d="scan'217,208"; a="896730828:sNHT25113872" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <8e.269ac203.2fa95546@aol.com> References: <8e.269ac203.2fa95546@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--583917613 Message-Id: <9BCA9D23-E882-45D8-9A0A-FD36551E4AD3@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: OT: Cream Alber Hall Concert (36 years later) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:17:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--583917613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Good news I HOPE; what were the reviews like? I certainly loved Cream back then, but I wonder what they sound like now? I saw another hero from those days, John Fahey, perform back in the late 80s and it was depressing in the extreme... dc On May 3, 2005, at 3:29 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4506185.stm > > But good news for old foggies (like me) --Apple-Mail-2--583917613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good news I HOPE; what were the = reviews like? I certainly loved Cream back then, but I=A0 wonder what = they sound like now? I saw another hero from those days, John Fahey, = perform back in the late 80s and it was depressing in the = extreme...
dc


On May 3, = 2005, at 3:29 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com = wrote:

http://news.= bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4506185.stm

But good news for old foggies (like = me)

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Eric Clapton on guitar, Jack Bruce on bass and Ginger Baker on drums sounded as if they had every song mapped out from introductory riff to precise finish. Their voices were strong; their musicianship was impeccable. Their set list even had a few surprises. Cream was back at the Royal Albert Hall, where it had played the final concert of its two-year career on Nov. 26, 1968. Between then and now, Cream's only reunion was to play three songs when it was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame in 1993. Monday's concert was the first of four sold-out shows being filmed for the inevitable DVD; plans beyond that have not been announced. Scalpers were getting $1,000 a ticket. "Thanks for waiting all these years," Mr. Clapton said onstage. "We didn't go very long. The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune cut us off in our prime." Mr. Baker spoke up: "This is our prime, what do you mean?" Yet the neatness and order of the music were precisely what made Cream's first return engagement underwhelming. It wasn't unity that made Cream one of the great 1960's rock bands. It was the same friction - of personalities, methods and ambitions - that would soon tear the band apart. >From July 1966 to November 1968, Cream came up with songs that were an unlikely blend of Anglicized blues, eccentric pop structures, psychedelic surrealism, melancholia and comic relief. Along with the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream would define both power-trio rock and the potential of jam bands. In its most incendiary 1960's shows, Cream played like three simultaneous soloists, relentlessly competitive and brilliantly volatile. Back then, Mr. Clapton didn't need Robert Johnson's hellhound on his trail; he had Mr. Baker and Mr. Bruce snapping at his heels, goading him with bass countermelodies and bursts of polyrhythm. It was the brashness of youth in sync with the experimental spirit of the era. Cream played with reckless intensity, as if sure that all the risks would pay off; most often, they did. Since Cream broke up, Mr. Clapton has had million-selling albums, Grammy Awards and regular arena tours; his music has grown more temperate. Mr. Bruce followed his musicianly impulses, starting other rock trios (including one in 1994 with Mr. Baker) while also delving into jazz and various fusions. Mr. Baker joined Mr. Clapton's short-lived supergroup, Blind Faith, and went on to build West Africa's first modern recording studio in Nigeria, to farm olives in Tuscany and to run a club in Denver. Mr. Clapton, at 60 the youngest member of Cream, was the most reluctant to reunite the group, and on Monday night, the reunited Cream deferred to him. Lately, his albums have circled back to the blues he has loved since the beginning of his career, and Cream's concert set leaned toward blues. There were borrowed ones, like "I'm So Glad," "Rollin' and Tumblin'," "Spoonful" and "Outside Woman Blues" along with Cream's own blues, like "Politician," and a Clapton showcase that's not part of the Cream discography, "Stormy Monday Blues." When Mr. Clapton took a guitar solo, he played the kind of long-lined, melodic leads, moving from symmetrical phrases to wailing peaks, that he unfolds with his own bands, while Mr. Bruce and Mr. Baker carefully nailed down the riff and the beat. They didn't challenge him much. Mr. Baker had some rambunctious moments, dropping sly snare-drum rolls into "Sitting on Top of the World" and "Stormy Monday Blues." With his band mates offstage, he took a five-minute drum solo during "Toad" that was considerably shorter than the live recording from 1968. He also talk-sang the most unexpected song in the set, "Pressed Rat and Warthog," about shopkeepers with a peculiar inventory, then joked afterward about stocking Cream T-shirts and memorabilia. There were stretches in "Sweet Wine" and "Sunshine of Your Love" where Cream started to hint at its old improvisatory free-for-all. But those passages were brief, quickly heading back to the song. "Crossroads," which Cream once turned into a psychedelic fireball, returned as straightforward blues-rock: not bad, but not revelatory. The other side of Cream's repertory - Mr. Bruce's songs, like "White Room," "N.S.U." and "Deserted Cities of the Heart" - has aged differently. They, too, had a blues feeling, but more in their despondent lyrics then in their music, which stretched pop structures. Nearly four decades later, the songs have grown even more telling, as the mishaps of youth have given way to the irrevocable losses and regrets of maturity. Mr. Bruce sings them no less clearly now, but with far more poignancy. As Mr. Baker rolled mallets across his tom-toms, Mr. Clapton played slow swells of guitar and Mr. Bruce rose to the melody's falsetto peaks, "We're Going Wrong" - written on the way to Cream's 1968 breakup - was lambent in its sorrow. Perhaps Cream's caution reflected first-night jitters about living up to decades of anticipation. In a set that lasted less than two hours, there was ample room for songs to expand if the chemistry was right. With any luck, Cream was just getting reignited. _ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 20:09:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4404xk24613; Tue, 3 May 2005 20:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.208.59] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <9BCA9D23-E882-45D8-9A0A-FD36551E4AD3@earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Nature of Reality Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 17:04:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 00:04:57.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8170610:01C5503C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rants by John Fahey He apparent;y released some experimantal electronica in th e90s,at least he said he did,but I'm haveing trouble finding it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 20:51:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j440ng501614; Tue, 3 May 2005 20:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.208.59] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: here is a good Cream review: Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 17:49:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 00:49:20.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B763610:01C55043] Resent-Message-ID: <7iAVFC.A.qW.DwBeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard Cream live in '68 I think I was 12.I even recorded it-from the nosebleed seats of the Baltimore Civic Arena the tape sounded like goose farts in a tin can. Interesting review-Despite dumb cliches like "..songs were an unlikely blend .." I don't know why journalists think they should make pronouncements as to what's likely.or unexpected,as if everyone has the same expectaions.Anyway I agree about the competitive quality of cream bringing the best playing out of Clapton.I liked Blind Faith alot,but have mostly found ECs playing since then tastey but lacking fire. On Layla Clapton and Duane Alman sound like they're both soloing at the same time too- alot of it is really cluttered to my ear. Clapton has said in interveiws that the extended soloing embarrassed him and he never did it stuff again.Notably Jeff Beck rather harshly criticzed the self indulgence of the long jams,which the rockers seemingly got from Coltrane and free jazz. I wouldn't expect Clapton to do it,though I'd like to hear them get adventurous,and I'd like to hear Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker kick Clapton's ass like they did in the old days. I assume they defer to him now cause he's the one making this show happen.On one of those Wheels of Fire live things I always thought they'd succeeded in getting him lost-and his repsonse was to play some really interesting stuff. I saw an interview where he acknowledged that he'd gotten off.and that what came of it was good.What I would expect now would be impeccable craftsmanship,which would have course include registering true emotion,at least at certain points. Certainly some of Bruce's tunes tended to be quite dark-so much so that it's a wonder they're considered psychedelic. e Clapton's tones in the old days were really incredible- too bad the writer doesn't cover that -like what gear did he have? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 21:02:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4410mu04732; Tue, 3 May 2005 21:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=LRmTyCrpF97ISj0GVVMCdfRa0XDuHrZ+mBnH8zI8xqseW9zLUp5ajIZrYf0zlt+ALhta5TGnsDyqqttRketc+/QeHub9lZoI/8RcMxEpqQCVHrtlaLt7AmqTGXUCvUxq5bOVCAd4QBJDM8i5xjSVQfV0wKnt0CSHS3gFPK2Ogas= ; Message-ID: <20050504005954.18521.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: RE: for all you buskers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6h4K7.A.cIB.Q6BeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or there is this, but no speaker... (but hey, it's a tube): http://zvexamps.com/ =RANDY= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 21:25:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j441N2s07204; Tue, 3 May 2005 21:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: for all you buskers In-Reply-To: <20050504005954.18521.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050504005954.18521.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 3 May 2005, Randy Leifer wrote: > Or there is this, but no speaker... > (but hey, it's a tube): > > http://zvexamps.com/ Having used one personally, I can attest the Z-Vex Nano head does have a built-in speaker. Honestly. See? http://zvexamps.com/Bottom.html The speaker is behind the triple holes. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 21:50:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j441mNR10221; Tue, 3 May 2005 21:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:46:59 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Nature of Reality In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42782993.2080300@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com samba - wrote: > Rants by John Fahey He apparent;y > released some experimantal electronica in th e90s,at least he said he > did,but I'm haveing trouble finding it. I have a CD titled "georgia stomps, atlanta struts, and other contemporary dance favorites" which appears to be a live recording made August 9, 1997 at the Horizon Theatre in Atlanta. From what I can tell, it is solo electric guitar through a variety of reverb, tremolo, delay and other effects. I have a pretty high tolerance for self indulgent noodling, but this really tested my patience. I forced myself to listen to it about 5 times, waiting for some kind of epiphany, but it just didn't work for me. It reminded me of things that I've done at 3 am after too many chemical amusement aids. And that isn't a compliment. It's for sale if anyone wants it :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 22:12:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4429pB15049; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:09:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.208.59] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <42782993.2080300@sun.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nature of Reality Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 19:09:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 02:09:07.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[41134420:01C5504E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wouldn't surprise me if it really sucks.I don't really consider acoustic and electric guitars to be very closely related,being able to play one doesn't mean someone can play the other.Even though electric has abroader pallette,I tend to consider acoustic harder to master.Recordings I've heard of Hendrix playing acoustic sounded kind of balnd to me.The thing I really liked about Fahey- (besides his broad eccentricity,as in the rants ,and his liner notes) was that he seemed,at times to be trying to prove that he could play slower than any other acoustic guitarist,and playing acoustic guitar really slow is not easy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 22:17:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j442FOd15875; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:15:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:15:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a1.331476f2.2fa98a09@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:14:33 EDT Subject: Re: Nature of Reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a1.331476f2.2fa98a09_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a1.331476f2.2fa98a09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 05/03/05 17:04:52, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: > Rants by John Fahey He apparently > released some experimantal electronica in th e90s,at least he said he > did,but I'm haveing trouble finding it. >=20 I never owned any of those but I heard a few (my local library had a few of his "electronic" music CDs to check out). Fahey is/was and odd duck and=20 a bit od\f a crank -- even in the days when he was just doing acoustic=20 music. I related these experiments of his more to a sort of overly-processed Dr. Eugene Chadbourne aethetic done somewhat amateurishly. The sad thing is is that towards the end of his life he was living out of is station wagon physically sick and mentaly disconnected. I'm not sure, he may have even died under thos ciecumstances. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1a1.331476f2.2fa98a09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 05/03/05 17:04:52, s= ambacomet@hotmail.com writes:

Rants by John Fahey&l= t;http://www.johnfahey.com/reality.htm> He apparently
released some experimantal electronica in th e90s,at least he said he
did,but I'm haveing trouble finding it.

I never owned any of those but I heard a few (my local library had a few of<= BR> his "electronic" music CDs to check out). Fahey is/was and odd duck and
a bit od\f a crank -- even in the days when he was just doing acoustic
music.

I related these experiments of his more to a sort of overly-processed Dr. Eugene Chadbourne aethetic done somewhat amateurishly. The sad thing is
is that towards the end of his life he was living out of is station wagon physically sick and mentaly disconnected. I'm not sure, he may have even
died under thos ciecumstances.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1a1.331476f2.2fa98a09_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 22:20:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j442J3c16436; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:19:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:03:55 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances 5.7.05 Cambridge, MA USA Dance Month Kickoff Party Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <20iAhC.A.o-D.sDDeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the kickoff party for Cambridge Dance Month I expect to have two camera people helping me out, so if you dance you might see your image mixed in with my video. (Hope that's an enticement). I believe the minimum donation is a mere $1. it's more than the best live dance music in the world, the best array of food you'll ever taste and it's more than a great way to finish an evening of performing or attending a concert it's a way to show appreciation for the support we DO get for the arts, it's the DanceMonth 2005 Kickoff Party hosted by the Mayor of Cambridge and founder of dancemonth, Rozann Kraus Cambridge City Council officially proclaims May is DanceMonth and Dance Belt awards are bestowed, this year upon Jeanne Traxler and Margo Morado there are great raffle prizes, a cash barre (non alcohol), DanceMonth tatoos and a silent auction for a pair of Red Sox tickets SATURDAY MAY 7 8:00-11:00PM at THE DANCE COMPLEX 536 MASS AVE in CENTRAL SQUARE Help support the dance community and thank the sponsors who do, too. more info www.dancemonth.com -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 22:23:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j442MSf17142; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kINf9923oRqmLp6v3XPNFYpJBZW7QYDQzKJ828CRBd5SumE4G1FsA2UyOBbnu7KNqcb5IAvBXrCWY6FlAE/ErjRADPsD6KXBIux3HrVhpUJQTFjSv47A4AMKSIoLxuzzGFEuvyQDJCGElfzzeA8pUGXru7TYWr5GzKdcOIQDpTk= ; Message-ID: <20050504022046.16748.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: here is a good Cream review: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com true, alot of the old rockers like Santana,Clapton and Page to name a few sounded more interesting than today,even though they werent playing through expensive equipment...(age and fortune maybe)the only one in my opinion that keeps reinventing himself is Jeff Beck (is he still smashing his guitars by the way?) Luis >Claptons tone those days was really > incredible- too bad the writer doesn't cover that > -like what gear did he > have? > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 22:25:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j442IrY16420; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:18:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:18:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427830FB.FF23EE8@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 19:18:36 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP video flake comes clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya boo, A certain dayglo green gentleman emailed me to say that the infamous Echoplex tutorial was an active subject on the list, so I guess I should re-subscribe temporarily, long enough to pipe in with some words. Hans Lindauer was somehow patient enough to put up with me for a weekend back in the fall of 2002, during which time we shot raw footage for a propoed EDP tutorial video. The fact that it's never materialized is basically my fault. There are several reasons for my dropping the ball on this, which probably aren't worth going into enormous detail about on a public list. The short version of my reasons might include: - A whole hell of a lot of things in my professional and personal life that have happened in the two and a half years since the tutorial footage was shot, which changed my perspective on the Echoplex and my use of it (and its role in my life) - not for the worse, by any means, but definitely for the "different"; - Mixed feelings about the value or implications of making a comprehensive Echoplex lesson available to the public at large, and what the relative advantages/disadvantages might be; - Serious concerns as to whether such a release might be interpreted as an offensive display of arrogance or self-serving opportunism on my part, might generate a substantial wave of negativity towards me, or would simply be considered not valuable to the looping community at large. (I'll admit that these concerns come largely from the backlash which drove me off of this list a year ago, and what seemed to me to be a more or less complete absence - at that time - of any public, on-list defense of my attempted contributions to this community.) - The serious amount of time and money that would be required to get a final version authored, mastered, manufactured, and made available for sale, which I'm reluctant to commit to in light of the issues raised above; - Similarly, my wish to put more time and energy into being a working musician and guitar teacher, as opposed to being an Echoplex guru and mellow-harshing, spam-mongering Looper's Delight troll. The last time I talked to Hans, my impression was that he was basically cool with not doing anything with the footage, which I sincerely hope was (and is still) indeed the case. (If that's not the case, Hans, then for Pete's sake drop me a line and kick my ass.) I seriously appreciate the time and effort he went to in order to get the footage put together to the extent that he did, as well as the patience he exhibited all along, and I'm genuinely sorry for not having been able to see the project through to completion. So I guess the official word is that there won't be a release of the footage shot with Hans back in 2002, either as an official DVD or as free clips. Maybe there'll be an EDP DVD down the road; maybe I'll make a new one, maybe someone else will shoot one... we'll see. Thanks again to Hans for being cool above and beyond the call of duty, thanks to those with some interest, and apologies to those who'd like an apology. Seacrest out, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 22:31:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j442SVd18297; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:28:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:28:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:35:43 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? To: Message-id: <002c01c55051$f83c4680$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <194.3e1ddab3.2fa8f590@aol.com> <4277C1A2.9050209@sbcglobal.net> <4277E86C.4090400@sbcglobal.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20050503141432.019f5d68@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <01Fs6B.A.bcE.6MDeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What an awesome resource to have short instructional videos on individual features or what have you posted to the Loopers-Delight website. Imagine those with the correct resources can film and upload little files to show their "edp maneuvers." David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: video demonstrations of edp? > I think it's just Andre and Hans, but given that it dates back to > 2003, and seemed to have stalled at the rough cut, chances of it being > released seem slim. > > > On 5/3/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: > > I knew of two collaborators. How many were there? > > > > At 2005.05.03 02:09 PM, armatronix wrote: > > >All of this is true, but my understanding was that a product was > > >essentially ready for market before one of the collaborators lost interest. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 3 22:35:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j442YAP19104; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:34:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:41:11 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: EDP video flake comes clean To: Message-id: <003301c55052$bc2c7e20$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <427830FB.FF23EE8@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pity - I for one would have: 1) valued greatly the opportunity to see how others use the edp 2) learned new approaches 3) willingly paid real cash money for little clips or a DVD Can I twist your arm? :-) David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: EDP video flake comes clean > Ya boo, > > A certain dayglo green gentleman emailed me to say that the infamous > Echoplex tutorial was an active subject on the list, so I guess I should > re-subscribe temporarily, long enough to pipe in with some words. > > Hans Lindauer was somehow patient enough to put up with me for a weekend > back in the fall of 2002, during which time we shot raw footage for a > propoed EDP tutorial video. The fact that it's never materialized is > basically my fault. > > There are several reasons for my dropping the ball on this, which > probably aren't worth going into enormous detail about on a public list. > The short version of my reasons might include: > > - A whole hell of a lot of things in my professional and personal life > that have happened in the two and a half years since the tutorial > footage was shot, which changed my perspective on the Echoplex and > my use of it (and its role in my life) - not for the worse, by any > means, but definitely for the "different"; > > - Mixed feelings about the value or implications of making a > comprehensive Echoplex lesson available to the public at large, and what > the relative advantages/disadvantages might be; > > - Serious concerns as to whether such a release might be interpreted as > an offensive display of arrogance or self-serving opportunism on my > part, might generate a substantial wave of negativity towards me, or > would simply be considered not valuable to the looping community at > large. (I'll admit that these concerns come largely from the backlash > which drove me off of this list a year ago, and what seemed to me to be > a more or less complete absence - at that time - of any public, on-list > defense of my attempted contributions to this community.) > > - The serious amount of time and money that would be required to get a > final version authored, mastered, manufactured, and made available for > sale, which I'm reluctant to commit to in light of the issues raised above; > > - Similarly, my wish to put more time and energy into being a working > musician and guitar teacher, as opposed to being an Echoplex guru and > mellow-harshing, spam-mongering Looper's Delight troll. > > The last time I talked to Hans, my impression was that he was basically > cool with not doing anything with the footage, which I sincerely hope > was (and is still) indeed the case. (If that's not the case, Hans, then > for Pete's sake drop me a line and kick my ass.) I seriously appreciate > the time and effort he went to in order to get the footage put together > to the extent that he did, as well as the patience he exhibited all > along, and I'm genuinely sorry for not having been able to see the > project through to completion. > > So I guess the official word is that there won't be a release of the > footage shot with Hans back in 2002, either as an official DVD or as > free clips. Maybe there'll be an EDP DVD down the road; maybe I'll make > a new one, maybe someone else will shoot one... we'll see. > > Thanks again to Hans for being cool above and beyond the call of duty, > thanks to those with some interest, and apologies to those who'd like an > apology. > > Seacrest out, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 02:24:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j446Jxh22321; Wed, 4 May 2005 02:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 02:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 08:27:44 +0200 Subject: Re: busker amp From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3198040064_97466_MIME_Part" X-ID: VTWVlGZeYeHRQDcfzaIDvB4m1K+SXcR7INYe2djrrCkCUlL9IOqKYx X-TOI-MSGID: aa7e4993-1f3b-4197-a447-e6d4d6bad434 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3198040064_97466_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, has anybody tried this one already? Small is beautiful! Von: Nemoguitt@aol.com thought there might be some interest in this.....Click Here: Check out "World's smallest full range guitar cabinet-amp" --MS_Mac_OE_3198040064_97466_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: busker amp Hi, has anybody tried this one already? Small is beautiful!

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thought there might be some interest in this.= ....Click Here: Check out "World's smallest full = range guitar cabinet-amp" <http://www.nfatechnology.com/> = --MS_Mac_OE_3198040064_97466_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 02:25:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j446Nf022684; Wed, 4 May 2005 02:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 02:23:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=trwXkJeY9gaZzYAILVhqkVj7lrM18i0Lj7zI286mmD9eVwlc42Up86MMqzfQ2PyhbGGqFWcOWwJF7FJEU77F/snB4Aw22gfNO/kXI40b1E+a2v2cdk8QdsOzpKJSen2U5JcZCL0ROpzwE8I2VEkiQo+JlPM/pzL010gr4VA1KU0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:23:11 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: for all you buskers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050504005954.18521.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j446NGx22606 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One speaker? If they'd just make a stereo version, I might buy one. On 5/3/05, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 3 May 2005, Randy Leifer wrote: > > > Or there is this, but no speaker... > > (but hey, it's a tube): > > > > http://zvexamps.com/ > > Having used one personally, I can attest the Z-Vex Nano head does have a > built-in speaker. Honestly. See? > > http://zvexamps.com/Bottom.html > > The speaker is behind the triple holes. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 03:02:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4470wr28838; Wed, 4 May 2005 03:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 03:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:08:40 +0200 Subject: Re: With Egos Set Aside and Blues on Its Mind, Cream Reunites From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ID: GM6eevZdYeKvxWTdbmOvqWLu9j4Tu0jkTyIas4r6kK1k3bN2iK7OcZ X-TOI-MSGID: afaa18cc-6b53-4386-be3d-7df765dfeba4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, thanks for sharing that one! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 05:10:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4498Ya14813; Wed, 4 May 2005 05:08:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 05:08:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050504090704.02b4b590@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:17:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Andre appears again In-Reply-To: <200505040235.j442ZkA19309@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505040235.j442ZkA19309@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-O2nc.A.1lD.6CJeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (I'll admit that these concerns come largely from the backlash >which drove me off of this list a year ago, and what seemed to me to be >a more or less complete absence - at that time - of any public, on-list >defense of my attempted contributions to this community.) Andre I thought that a detailed defense of your (many) contributions would have been pointless 1) because regular list members would know anyway 2) I thought you wouldn't see it, because you said you'd signed off. Probably others thought likewise. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 05:28:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j449QkB17355; Wed, 4 May 2005 05:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 05:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c5508b$2e31d0a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20050504022046.16748.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: here is a good Cream review: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:19:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <7o8xDD.A.YNE.CUJeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A girlfriend who was nuts about Rod Stewart got me to go see him at the LA Greek Theatre (is there another one?) in 1994, I think. I really liked his Faces period, up until the "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" thing took off - and who wouldn't like the guitar work? In his latter rock period, doing "Hot Legs" and such showed a good capability for self-lampooning, and afforded once again nice guitar licks. At the concert I found myself, some years later, feeling like a lot of the guys whose wives had gotten them to get tix to see Rod, looking for the bits to get enthused about, enjoying the old stuff mostly, when the New part of the show started with "Fascination" - and Jeff Beck came on to play several songs. The guy just ripped and burned it up - and didn't sound like he was playing a tape in his head either, taking the songs to places we'd not heard before. I'd also been fortunate enough to catch him opening up for (!) Stevie Ray Vaughan (LA Auditorium 1991?), and between the two of them it was a three-hour show. They also played together a couple of times, and nearly burnt the place down. @#$% Awesome! Luis, I completely concur. Jeff Beck is one of the few from the Old Days that still kicks butt. Ab So Lutely. From: "L. Angulo" > true, alot of the old rockers like Santana,Clapton and > Page to name a few sounded more interesting than > today,even though they werent playing through > expensive equipment...(age and fortune maybe)the only > one in my opinion that keeps reinventing himself is > Jeff Beck > (is he still smashing his guitars by the way?) > Luis > > >>Claptons tone those days was really >> incredible- too bad the writer doesn't cover that >> -like what gear did he >> have? >> >> >> > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 09:56:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44Dp7L21647; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:51:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:51:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1115214625!13758821!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FC6@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:47:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C550AF.CB4DF570" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C550AF.CB4DF570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>the only one in my opinion that keeps reinventing himself is Jeff Beck (is he still smashing his guitars by the way?)<< are you thinking of the brief appearance he makes in "blow up" with jimmy page? :-) I saw beck about 18 months ago at the royal festival hall. bizarrely, his guests for the evening I was there (different guest bands each night of three I think) were white stripes. one of beck's two drummers was terry bozzio, so we were treated to the unusual sight of jeff beck & jack stripe swapping solos on a yardbirds number while meg stripe tried to keep up with bozzio & the guy on the other kit. she's not very good, I'm afraid. can't do that "train kept a rollin'" shuffle. kept pulling up. I really don't care for the stripes; though they have one or two appealing songs, the minimalist schtick & their "discovery" of the toerag recording studio leave me cold. maybe I'm just cynical. I had a lot of jsbx albums when the stripes first appeared, so the revisited stripped-down raw blues thing was sort of old in my house. jeff beck, on the other hand- must be 60 now, & still moves/plays/looks like half that (& he looks a lot like nigel tufnell). amazing. used the same strat all night (a yellow one, probably something like the fender job with his name on it), though he was switching around amongst several amps. IIRC, there was a marshall suitcase, a bassman & an ac30.... but I could easily be mistaken as although I know my amps, I was aways off & the stage was necessarily cluttered. the rest of his set was all manner of career highlights & new material. anyone remember "the tube"? he & jan hammer recorded the original theme tune for it.... what I'd always thought was a synced-oscillator-lead-moog sound turns out to be beck's guitar. the things he can do with it's tone & harmonics with no (apparent) effects.... incredible. I still feel bad for him when I listen to the "truth" & "beckola" albums- they are a mixed bag, but in there somewhere are the seeds of something great.... which by all accounts, mr page decided to appropriate for his own next adventure after the yardbirds finally expired. jeff beck is said to have shed a tear or two when his erstwhile colleague played him demos of LZ1 &, feeling slightly betrayed, had to go away for a few years & reinvent himself. imagine if page had stolen rod stewart to sing for him aswell, instead of plant..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>the only one in my opinion that keeps reinventing= himself is Jeff Beck (is he still smashing his guitars by the way?)<<= ;

are you thinking of the brief appearance he makes in &quo= t;blow up" with jimmy page? :-)

I saw beck about 18 months ago at the royal festival hall= . bizarrely, his guests for the evening I was there (different guest bands = each night of three I think) were white stripes.

one of beck's two drummers was terry bozzio, so we were t= reated to the unusual sight of jeff beck & jack stripe swapping solos o= n a yardbirds number while meg stripe tried to keep up with bozzio & th= e guy on the other kit. she's not very good, I'm afraid. can't do that &quo= t;train kept a rollin'" shuffle. kept pulling up.

I really don't care for the stripes; though they have one= or two appealing songs, the minimalist schtick & their "discovery= " of the toerag recording studio leave me cold. maybe I'm just cynical= . I had a lot of jsbx albums when the stripes first appeared, so the revisi= ted stripped-down raw blues thing was sort of old in my house.

jeff beck, on the other hand- must be 60 now, & still= moves/plays/looks like half that (& he looks a lot like nigel tufnell)= .

amazing. used the same strat all night (a yellow one, pro= bably something like the fender job with his name on it), though he was swi= tching around amongst several amps. IIRC, there was a marshall suitcase, a = bassman & an ac30.... but I could easily be mistaken as although I know= my amps, I was aways off & the stage was necessarily cluttered.=

the rest of his set was all manner of career highlights &= amp; new material. anyone remember "the tube"? he & jan hamme= r recorded the original theme tune for it.... what I'd always thought was a= synced-oscillator-lead-moog sound turns out to be beck's guitar. the thing= s he can do with it's tone & harmonics with no (apparent) effects.... i= ncredible.

 
I still feel bad for him when I listen to the "trut= h" & "beckola" albums- they are a mixed bag, but in ther= e somewhere are the seeds of something great.... which by all accounts, mr = page decided to appropriate for his own next adventure after the yardbirds = finally expired. jeff beck is said to have shed a tear or two when his erst= while colleague played him demos of LZ1 &, feeling slightly betrayed, h= ad to go away for a few years & reinvent himself. imagine if page had s= tolen rod stewart to sing for him aswell, instead of plant.....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C550AF.CB4DF570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 10:53:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44EnC031154; Wed, 4 May 2005 10:49:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:49:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c550b8$5bd7c8c0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FC6@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:48:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: beck the elder (was "here is...")[see end] ----- Original Message ----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 14:47 PM Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") >>the only one in my opinion that keeps reinventing himself is Jeff Beck (is >>he still smashing his guitars by the way?)<< are you thinking of the brief appearance he makes in "blow up" with jimmy page? :-) I saw beck about 18 months ago at the royal festival hall. bizarrely, his guests for the evening I was there (different guest bands each night of three I think) were white stripes. one of beck's two drummers was terry bozzio, so we were treated to the unusual sight of jeff beck & jack stripe swapping solos on a yardbirds number while meg stripe tried to keep up with bozzio & the guy on the other kit. she's not very good, I'm afraid. can't do that "train kept a rollin'" shuffle. kept pulling up. I really don't care for the stripes; though they have one or two appealing songs, the minimalist schtick & their "discovery" of the toerag recording studio leave me cold. maybe I'm just cynical. I had a lot of jsbx albums when the stripes first appeared, so the revisited stripped-down raw blues thing was sort of old in my house. jeff beck, on the other hand- must be 60 now, & still moves/plays/looks like half that (& he looks a lot like nigel tufnell). amazing. used the same strat all night (a yellow one, probably something like the fender job with his name on it), though he was switching around amongst several amps. IIRC, there was a marshall suitcase, a bassman & an ac30.... but I could easily be mistaken as although I know my amps, I was aways off & the stage was necessarily cluttered. the rest of his set was all manner of career highlights & new material. anyone remember "the tube"? he & jan hammer recorded the original theme tune for it.... what I'd always thought was a synced-oscillator-lead-moog sound turns out to be beck's guitar. the things he can do with it's tone & harmonics with no (apparent) effects.... incredible. I still feel bad for him when I listen to the "truth" & "beckola" albums- they are a mixed bag, but in there somewhere are the seeds of something great.... which by all accounts, mr page decided to appropriate for his own next adventure after the yardbirds finally expired. jeff beck is said to have shed a tear or two when his erstwhile colleague played him demos of LZ1 &, feeling slightly betrayed, had to go away for a few years & reinvent himself. imagine if page had stolen rod stewart to sing for him aswell, instead of plant..... duncan. ******************** Yeah, but Rod couldn't have done the now-infamous Plant "mnuah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 10:56:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44EexP29901; Wed, 4 May 2005 10:40:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:40:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttWYx5Zeo1L+SbjbiHnomxx15PcwD8Cbe/A== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:38:13 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre appears again X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050504.073838.11488.87303@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1837725464 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is Very True! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 11:10:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44F7wF02838; Wed, 4 May 2005 11:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uWUuGWuHl5yIGhHhYAgeq52Hf9PSd2xlXuLmzgI5o+xdV5X67+Fou+Uh8oF9p1LZ2GNv0O2lrwD9ldtMiOw9d/KsEy1daOSyQuKsJejdRHsPDUw1QbLbEDsdGwiIlQ3mWyWWa3BCzctcwqj9A/pYst4kwgLpSmGjZ/bQpfGMfTs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:07:30 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: beck the elder (was "here is...") In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FC6@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FC6@lon-oxmail02> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j44F7Zx02776 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A side-by-side comparison of the Beck and LZ versions of "I Can't Quit You Babe" quickly shows who took that ball and ran with it while writing his name all over it. All Beck had going for him was being a genius guitarist, Page had the larger version of the studio and was much more ambitious, plus, he didn't make the mistake of hitching his cart to Rod Stewart. You'll spend a long time looking for an engineer who's had someone come in and say "Dude--make our record sound like 'Truth'!" whereas LZ I is a benchmark rock recording. And I've never listened to the White Stripes and thought "The drummer's ruining this!", but she does seem to bug some people. TH On 5/4/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > > I saw beck about 18 months ago at the royal festival hall. bizarrely, his > guests for the evening I was there (different guest bands each night of > three I think) were white stripes. > > one of beck's two drummers was terry bozzio, so we were treated to the > unusual sight of jeff beck & jack stripe swapping solos on a yardbirds > number while meg stripe tried to keep up with bozzio & the guy on the other > kit. she's not very good, I'm afraid. can't do that "train kept a rollin'" > shuffle. kept pulling up. > > I really don't care for the stripes; though they have one or two appealing > songs, the minimalist schtick & their "discovery" of the toerag recording > studio leave me cold. maybe I'm just cynical. I had a lot of jsbx albums > when the stripes first appeared, so the revisited stripped-down raw blues > thing was sort of old in my house. > > jeff beck, on the other hand- must be 60 now, & still moves/plays/looks like > half that (& he looks a lot like nigel tufnell). > > > I still feel bad for him when I listen to the "truth" & "beckola" albums- > they are a mixed bag, but in there somewhere are the seeds of something > great.... which by all accounts, mr page decided to appropriate for his own > next adventure after the yardbirds finally expired. jeff beck is said to > have shed a tear or two when his erstwhile colleague played him demos of LZ1 > &, feeling slightly betrayed, had to go away for a few years & reinvent > himself. imagine if page had stolen rod stewart to sing for him aswell, > instead of plant..... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 13:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44HBHG26587; Wed, 4 May 2005 13:11:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:11:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:09:18 -0700 Subject: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--519594419 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1a1.331476f2.2fa98a09@aol.com> Message-Id: <406E3854-BCBF-11D9-8467-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.001 () HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--519594419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tuesday, May 3, 2005, at 07:14 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/03/05 17:04:52, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: > > Rants by John Fahey He apparently > released some experimantal electronica in th e90s,at least he said he > did,but I'm haveing trouble finding it. > > > I never owned any of those but I heard a few (my local library had a > few of > his "electronic" music CDs to check out). Fahey is/was and odd duck and > a bit od\f a crank -- even in the days when he was just doing acoustic > music. > > I related these experiments of his more to a sort of overly-processed > Dr. > Eugene Chadbourne aethetic done somewhat amateurishly. The sad thing is > is that towards the end of his life he was living out of is station > wagon > physically sick and mentaly disconnected. I'm not sure, he may have > even > died under thos ciecumstances. > I grew up listening to Fahey, my older brother plays guitar and was constantly shedding on his tunes. My wife and I are both huge fans. From my understanding, Fahey was down and out, bouncing between homeless shelters, cheap hotels and living in his car, battling alcoholism and Epstein-Barr syndrome in the late-80's, early 90's, living in Salem, OR. I met him a few times, he would come into the record store I worked at occasionally, and it was obvious he had some serious troubles. I actually made him cry one day when I wouldn't put a stack of 50-odd collectable records on hold for him (he had a history of putting stuff on hold and then never returning to pick it up). I definitely felt bad about that encounter. In the early 90's, a pretty dedicated group of fans and younger musicians he inspired made a huge effort to help him out, including people like Glenn Jones of Cul de Sac and Jim O'Rourke. They got him playing and recording again, so he'd have an income, and I believe helped him sort out some of the royalty issues on his early discs. The stuff he put out in the 90's is spotty, but often brilliant, IMHO, and definitely he was exploring new ground. This from someone who could have continued putting out a new Christmas album every year and made a LOT more money. His last record, released after his death, is Red Cross, and I recommend it to anyone, he returns to his earlier style, and covers tunes like "Summertime" and other standards, along with some pretty tasteful noise explorations. It's a beautiful and heart-breakingly sad record, really feels like a summing up of his life. I heard a performance he did on KBOO radio in the late 90's with a trio, a hammond player and a drummer, where Fahey was playing electric, and it was really nice, kind of like a space-rock approach to his tunes. The other players felt very tuned in to Fahey's esthetic, and also worked to keep him focussed. I believe there's a disc out by that group, but I haven't tracked it down. Another product of his late period is his memoir "How Bluegrass Music Destroyed My Life." This book is one of my all-time favorite reads, a collection of short stories about his childhood and his musical career. It's often hilarious (his account of working with the Italian director Antonioni on a soundtrack is extremely sarcastic and funny), often pretty sad, and has some very interesting philosophical ideas, the man had a pretty unique worldview. I really recommend the book, and not just to Fahey fans. If you read his liner notes, you know what a great writer he was, and this is like that, only more. --Apple-Mail-2--519594419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Tuesday, May 3, 2005, at 07:14 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: Geneva0000,0000,0000In a message dated 05/03/05 17:04:52, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: 0000,0000,FFFFRants by John Fahey< He apparently released some experimantal electronica in th e90s,at least he said he did,but I'm haveing trouble finding it. Arial Geneva0000,0000,0000I never owned any of those but I heard a few (my local library had a few of his "electronic" music CDs to check out). Fahey is/was and odd duck and a bit od\f a crank -- even in the days when he was just doing acoustic music. I related these experiments of his more to a sort of overly-processed Dr. Eugene Chadbourne aethetic done somewhat amateurishly. The sad thing is is that towards the end of his life he was living out of is station wagon physically sick and mentaly disconnected. I'm not sure, he may have even died under thos ciecumstances. I grew up listening to Fahey, my older brother plays guitar and was constantly shedding on his tunes. My wife and I are both huge fans. >From my understanding, Fahey was down and out, bouncing between homeless shelters, cheap hotels and living in his car, battling alcoholism and Epstein-Barr syndrome in the late-80's, early 90's, living in Salem, OR. I met him a few times, he would come into the record store I worked at occasionally, and it was obvious he had some serious troubles. I actually made him cry one day when I wouldn't put a stack of 50-odd collectable records on hold for him (he had a history of putting stuff on hold and then never returning to pick it up). I definitely felt bad about that encounter. In the early 90's, a pretty dedicated group of fans and younger musicians he inspired made a huge effort to help him out, including people like Glenn Jones of Cul de Sac and Jim O'Rourke. They got him playing and recording again, so he'd have an income, and I believe helped him sort out some of the royalty issues on his early discs. The stuff he put out in the 90's is spotty, but often brilliant, IMHO, and definitely he was exploring new ground. This from someone who could have continued putting out a new Christmas album every year and made a LOT more money. His last record, released after his death, is Red Cross, and I recommend it to anyone, he returns to his earlier style, and covers tunes like "Summertime" and other standards, along with some pretty tasteful noise explorations. It's a beautiful and heart-breakingly sad record, really feels like a summing up of his life. I heard a performance he did on KBOO radio in the late 90's with a trio, a hammond player and a drummer, where Fahey was playing electric, and it was really nice, kind of like a space-rock approach to his tunes. The other players felt very tuned in to Fahey's esthetic, and also worked to keep him focussed. I believe there's a disc out by that group, but I haven't tracked it down. Another product of his late period is his memoir "How Bluegrass Music Destroyed My Life." This book is one of my all-time favorite reads, a collection of short stories about his childhood and his musical career. It's often hilarious (his account of working with the Italian director Antonioni on a soundtrack is extremely sarcastic and funny), often pretty sad, and has some very interesting philosophical ideas, the man had a pretty unique worldview. I really recommend the book, and not just to Fahey fans. If you read his liner notes, you know what a great writer he was, and this is like that, only more. --Apple-Mail-2--519594419-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 14:34:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44IUMi06676; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:30:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:30:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.75] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000101c5508b$2e31d0a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: here is a good Cream review: Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 11:29:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 18:29:02.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[251C4E90:01C550D7] Resent-Message-ID: <3xshQC.A.dkB.KRReCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a Greek Theater in Berkeley- up in the hills surronded by big eucalyptus trees with a view of the whole SF Bay -one of the best outdoor venues in the country. I think Santana still plays with real passion and fire,he isn't exaclty exploring new ground, and I don't care about collaborations with pop stars that I never would have heard otherwise, but I think he still sounds great. I play ltin percussion, that sound never gets old for me.The sense of mthe melody instrument being and extension of the voice is an aesthetic I greatly respect. I saw Beck on the tour for Truth when Rod Stewrt was his led singer ,and unknown in the states. the opening act was Big Brother and the Holding Company,w/ Janis-Stewart was not particularly impressive in comparison.I once sw Ike and Tina Turner open for the Stones-Tina made Jagger seem like complete poseur.And Ike did the sme to both stones guitarists.It's to their credit I suppose that they would hire openers that could and did so thoroughly outplay them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 15:03:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44IsAx10368; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.75] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <406E3854-BCBF-11D9-8467-000A95A5D158@peak.org> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 11:53:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 18:53:08.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[83778D30:01C550DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Fahey ws relly significant .We certainly would never hve hd Hedges without Fhey brekingt the trail. I didn;t know you had so much contct w/ him,Dave. I was disturbed when he played before us at the Willamette folk fest and no one else in the band or audience seemed to know who he was. I lived in Tacoma Park ,where he ws from-hence Tacom records ,when I was bout 3. Henry Vestine ws from there too,and told me fahey would put my stories in his book-yeah right like the one about falling off the swing.For years Tacoma Park only town in the US w/ a Communist mayor,also home of The House of Musical Traditions oldest shop (besides Carrol sound in NY) specializing in instruments from around the world.I was hanging there all the time in 75 ,the guitar player from NRBQ behind the counter,a bunch of S.Indian,Karnatic musicians from Ravi Shankar's and George Harrisons Dark horse tour came in and played with stuff for about an hour-incredible music .Another time musicins from Pharoah Saunders group-Rashied Ali nd Cecil McBee,and a percussionist I didn't know came in and jammed on stuff. Henry told me about travelling through the south w/ Fahey in the late 50s going door to door in the black parts of towns asking for old records. This would have been extremely off the wall then-this is before the freedom marches,the south was still 100% segregted,white kids being in the black part of town would have been almost unheard of.That's how Fahey "rediscovered "Skip James and Bukka White,and it's why Fahey knew more about old blues players ,tunings etc than pretty much any other scholar of that stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 15:28:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44JDAI14313; Wed, 4 May 2005 15:13:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:13:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.75] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FC6@lon-oxmail02> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:12:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 19:12:50.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[43891920:01C550DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Page ripped off Beck? C'mon,all the English guitar heros got most of their ideas from black bluesman from the US. Clapton usually sounded like Freddie King but he played an Albert King thing pretty much note for note on Strange Brew. Then covered Born under abad sign so Albert could get some royalties. nd started hireing Freddy to open ,to try and pay him back.Page sounds like he heard alot of Earl Hooker. Zep never really gave credit for lyrics and riffs from blues tunes,and they didn't really hire people to open to try and expose them to audience like other groups did.I The english guys could play and did creative thing sand brought modern production values to the blues, but in guitar hero days, guys like Luther Allison ,Magic Sam and Buddy Guy could out play all the English cats ,including Beck who for my money wasn't much of a blues player though he was good at rave ups,-didn't get interesting until fusion. I like Peter Green the best of th english blues players,but take wy the BB King licks,and you still have real feeling ,genuine soul,but not too much musical vocabulary. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 16:29:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44KO9G26458; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5jQ2VPPGRUx/I9ZC4vtquMyUnhQ+6gmx+LF7sessDLuUe7adypwJKIbpCvnuV1d0YATQZnM4Es1KnHoX0j1RTu+VCnKpmyXHOAI5DIDwTM5vyNUMENdDEN+UN3r2fFmahv/TcLNi06uqR75WkPjsvXsFVBBkUgNVM+KWQk2ZBTE= ; Message-ID: <20050504202255.29406.qmail@web20428.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1639878745-1115238175=:28761" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1639878745-1115238175=:28761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the fahey album he did w/ cul de sac called 'womblife' is supposed to be his "electronic experimental album", i tried finding it about 2 yrs ago, and didn't have much luck. i did get his "atlanta stomps, something struts (can't remember exact title) and i think it is a good album. i think he does a good job of applying his acoustic chops to electric guitar. he plays so cleanly and does add echo, etc, makes for some interesting stuff i think. his live concerts where supposed to be "quite the experience", since at times he could be moody, etc due to all the things he went through, he was not a "people pleaser" from some of the reviews i've seen. but i think the cd is good. i also have his last official release before he died (hitomi), and it is an exploration of heavy echo and short delay, and again it sounds like very clean electric guitar, also a good album. i could see that if you are a fan of his acoustic playing from his early career, you may not favor his late stuff. but i think it shows that he didn't want to be stagnant, and tried to push on and experiment. i think it would be a bummer if the video footage that was shot of andre's edp explorations from '02 just sat. think of it as a "document", it doesn't have to be the "perfect document" or the end all/be all. sort of like what i think of the d. torn "painting w/ guitar" vids from '93. it just documents where DT was then w/ his gear/technique, and demoing a small bit of what he did w/ looping. i'm sure DT probably doesn't sit and watch it, but it is a great tool for loopers (i've watched it a zillion times), even if it's 12 yrs old. i wouldn't expect what andre does now to be the same as '02, but what a great opportunity for others to see as a learning tool. guess i cast my one measly vote for '02 footage to see light of day.... s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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the fahey album he did w/ cul de sac called 'womblife' is supposed to be
his "electronic experimental album", i tried finding it about 2 yrs ago, and didn't
have much luck.
i did get his "atlanta stomps, something struts (can't remember exact title) and i think
it is a good album. i think he does a good job of applying his acoustic chops to electric guitar.
he plays so cleanly and does add echo, etc, makes for some interesting stuff i think.
his live concerts where supposed to be "quite the experience", since at times he could be
moody, etc due to all the things he went through, he was not a "people pleaser" from some of the reviews i've seen. but i think  the cd is good.
i also have his last official release before he died (hitomi), and it is an exploration of heavy
echo and short delay, and again it sounds like very clean electric guitar, also a good album.
i could see that if you are a fan of his acoustic playing from his early career, you may not favor his late stuff. but i think it shows that he didn't want to be stagnant, and tried to push on and experiment.
 
i think it would be a bummer if the video footage that was shot of andre's edp explorations from '02 just sat. think of it as a "document", it doesn't have to be the "perfect document" or the end all/be all. sort of like what i think of the d. torn "painting w/ guitar" vids from '93. it just documents where DT was then w/ his gear/technique, and demoing a small bit of what he did w/ looping. i'm sure DT probably doesn't sit and watch it, but it is a great tool for loopers (i've watched it a zillion times), even if it's 12 yrs old. i wouldn't expect what andre does now to be the same as '02, but what a great opportunity for others to see as a learning tool. guess i cast my one measly vote for '02 footage to see light of day....
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Make Yahoo! your home page --0-1639878745-1115238175=:28761-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 17:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44KmrR29306; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.200.242] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050502171715.80097.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Miss Murgatroid Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:48:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 20:48:50.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACE7F820:01C550EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if its ambient electronica or not, but I have a C.D by a lady called 'Miss Murgatroid' (If memory serves), who plays electronicaly altered accordion, and Fahey plays electric slide guitar on few tracks. I cant remember specific names off the top of my head, or even the name of the album, but Its not easy listening! Interesting none the less... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 17:15:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44KorA29520; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:50:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c550ea$fb005700$6eb21345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:50:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think Fahey ws relly significant .We certainly would never hve hd > Hedges without Fhey brekingt the trail... Even with the massive progression in tricky technical playing that followed Hedges, there were few who could so clearly and elegantly float out understated melody and harmony like Fahey. I had the luck to catch him at Kuumbwa in Santa Cruz in the mid 90's or so? Anyone else catch that show? Anyway... his playing was so slow and floating, that some members of the audience visibly believed it was a joke of some sort... and I can remember John making his own funny comments in the *huge* gaps between passages, that caused me to slowly start giggling, then progressively busting up as he took it to extremes. My wife was nonplussed and trying to shush me... (not many others were laughing). At one point he was playing a sort of Hawaiian tune named after some lady, (he had given a long intro/story about the woman), and in one of the gaps the phone in the club rang loudly, prompting him to say, "Maybe that's her?... " He was so tuned into the audience and his surroundings, yet completely on another level as well. It was *awesome*. I've tried slowing my acoustic playing down like that, and it's amazingly hard to really pull it off. Anyway... I'm thankful I had that last chance to see him. He lived up to every story of him I've heard. Long live the legacy of John Fahey... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 19:24:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44NLJ021580; Wed, 4 May 2005 19:21:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:21:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:27:04 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: snapshots of processes To: Message-id: <001901c55100$c865ece0$0aafa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C550DF.40C4DE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050504202255.29406.qmail@web20428.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_9KzkB.A.kOF.FiVeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C550DF.40C4DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Scott. Snapshots of our processes become more interesting = as more time passes. I'm always inspired by listening to early = recordings I made when I was 15 or 16 -- or 22 -- or 32 -- they each = help take me back, rediscover and relive something.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scott hansen=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo? i think it would be a bummer if the video footage that was shot of = andre's edp explorations from '02 just sat. think of it as a "document", = it doesn't have to be the "perfect document" or the end all/be all. sort = of like what i think of the d. torn "painting w/ guitar" vids from '93. = it just documents where DT was then w/ his gear/technique, and demoing a = small bit of what he did w/ looping. i'm sure DT probably doesn't sit = and watch it, but it is a great tool for loopers (i've watched it a = zillion times), even if it's 12 yrs old. i wouldn't expect what andre = does now to be the same as '02, but what a great opportunity for others = to see as a learning tool. guess i cast my one measly vote for '02 = footage to see light of day.... s--- ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C550DF.40C4DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Scott.  Snapshots of = our=20 processes become more interesting as more time passes.  I'm always = inspired=20 by listening to early recordings I made when I was 15 or 16 -- or 22 -- = or 32 --=20 they each help take me back, rediscover and relive something. =
 
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i think it would be a bummer if the video footage that was = shot of=20 andre's edp explorations from '02 just sat. think of it as a = "document", it=20 doesn't have to be the "perfect document" or the end all/be all. sort = of like=20 what i think of the d. torn "painting w/ guitar" vids from '93. it = just=20 documents where DT was then w/ his gear/technique, and demoing a small = bit of=20 what he did w/ looping. i'm sure DT probably doesn't sit and watch it, = but it=20 is a great tool for loopers (i've watched it a zillion times), even if = it's 12=20 yrs old. i wouldn't expect what andre does now to be the same as '02, = but what=20 a great opportunity for others to see as a learning tool. guess i cast = my one=20 measly vote for '02 footage to see light of day....
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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C550DF.40C4DE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 19:45:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44NeJs23396; Wed, 4 May 2005 19:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.206.76] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001501c550ea$fb005700$6eb21345@Biffoz> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:39:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 23:39:30.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[84BD7380:01C55102] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Fahey several times and he never said one word.I recall an album called live in Tasmania where he said some pretty funny stuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 19:50:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j44Nmxb25025; Wed, 4 May 2005 19:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:48:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:50:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I saw Fahey several times and he never said one word... concur-funnee tho that no one has mentioned the 6 pack of dietcoke he always had w/ him on stage. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 20:11:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45092t29466; Wed, 4 May 2005 20:09:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:09:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Om4wTBRGookCPOzolpQ0E4N0dpz45svZYHJZ2rPkp0f24A7uS19MTOL1bXvvrEWnmXabOYyNoXnfJ5atZzmlP9yNpFDIzr7ltOKfxbr48jFCrqplKpyTxx2YmjNhXcGUSqQiYzC0OaXxrIl9rkjrwv6qZI7c8mhp3diVz9BTMPQ= ; Message-ID: <20050505000052.46286.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine wrote an interesting obit/essay on Fahey which can be found at -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 21:47:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j451jFx11465; Wed, 4 May 2005 21:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jPJjp4yTZtpTG16hUBCsKFXzXYsrVmE+3eWkmou3e8K5zQUeq+NUekwQuvCRtM+M9XcSxzvt9TTTLR4XiToUW1CDGO+YkfdtQZ/PuAUi2bZTM14oy3an8ur/cIYGXc1Vvs7vhjVliSXhiwot9DHXSc6zp193MAnZKUT7IQAjEdY= ; Message-ID: <20050505014403.1747.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: (not so much gig spam as) Looping as Filler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This isn't the first time this has happened to me, so I'm betting some of you have had this experience: A couple of days ago, I got a call for a (non-looping) gig this coming Saturday evening, playing bass with a sort of prog/folk act in town from New Jersey. (Outdoor show on the Foreside waterfront in Kittery, Maine, just across the bridge from downtown Portsmouth, NH, for those who might be interested, although I don't yet know the exact times...) After making sure that the material I'd have to learn would be overnighted in time, I agreed to do it. Then, at the end of the phone conversation, the request was made "Oh, yeah, and could you do a set of that cool loop stuff I saw you do solo a couple of years ago?" (He was refering to a show he'd seen in which I was using quite an elaborate rack and multi-pedalboard setup and looping guitars, flutes and theremin, NOT bass.) I told him that I really didn't feel like toting two rigs, but that I'd maybe put together a SMALL pedal-based thing and incorporate a loop spot or two into his set. Does this sound familiar? How many of you have ever been requested to do your "loop thing" out of context? -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 21:53:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j451pKV12242; Wed, 4 May 2005 21:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sEIWJR10o2AcT+5y+MbtafbIQYYf7DCGFVMchXc6XMAU2NflaRNc+s0Hm3wn2AyU; Message-ID: <410-220055451538580@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Belew RE: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo? Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:53:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401000ab03b105c96dcae7644ca73389db350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Torn's PWG videos were very droll and cool to watch. Speaking of old instuctional videos, Belew's 20-year-old video is both genuinely educational and hugely entertaining. ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: scott hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/4/2005 4:25:27 PM Subject: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo? the fahey album he did w/ cul de sac called 'womblife' is supposed to be his "electronic experimental album", i tried finding it about 2 yrs ago, and didn't have much luck. i did get his "atlanta stomps, something struts (can't remember exact title) and i think it is a good album. i think he does a good job of applying his acoustic chops to electric guitar. he plays so cleanly and does add echo, etc, makes for some interesting stuff i think. his live concerts where supposed to be "quite the experience", since at times he could be moody, etc due to all the things he went through, he was not a "people pleaser" from some of the reviews i've seen. but i think the cd is good. i also have his last official release before he died (hitomi), and it is an exploration of heavy echo and short delay, and again it sounds like very clean electric guitar, also a good album. i could see that if you are a fan of his acoustic playing from his early career, you may not favor his late stuff. but i think it shows that he didn't want to be stagnant, and tried to push on and experiment. i think it would be a bummer if the video footage that was shot of andre's edp explorations from '02 just sat. think of it as a "document", it doesn't have to be the "perfect document" or the end all/be all. sort of like what i think of the d. torn "painting w/ guitar" vids from '93. it just documents where DT was then w/ his gear/technique, and demoing a small bit of what he did w/ looping. i'm sure DT probably doesn't sit and watch it, but it is a great tool for loopers (i've watched it a zillion times), even if it's 12 yrs old. i wouldn't expect what andre does now to be the same as '02, but what a great opportunity for others to see as a learning tool. guess i cast my one measly vote for '02 footage to see light of day.... s--- Do you Yahoo!? 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Torn's PWG videos were very droll and cool to watch.
Speaking of old instuctional videos, Belew's 20-year-old video is both genuinely educational and hugely entertaining.
~Tim
 
 
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Subject: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo?

the fahey album he did w/ cul de sac called 'womblife' is supposed to be
his "electronic experimental album", i tried finding it about 2 yrs ago, and didn't
have much luck.
i did get his "atlanta stomps, something struts (can't remember exact title) and i think
it is a good album. i think he does a good job of applying his acoustic chops to electric guitar.
he plays so cleanly and does add echo, etc, makes for some interesting stuff i think.
his live concerts where supposed to be "quite the experience", since at times he could be
moody, etc due to all the things he went through, he was not a "people pleaser" from some of the reviews i've seen. but i think  the cd is good.
i also have his last official release before he died (hitomi), and it is an exploration of heavy
echo and short delay, and again it sounds like very clean electric guitar, also a good album.
i could see that if you are a fan of his acoustic playing from his early career, you may not favor his late stuff. but i think it shows that he didn't want to be stagnant, and tried to push on and experiment.
 
i think it would be a bummer if the video footage that was shot of andre's edp explorations from '02 just sat. think of it as a "document", it doesn't have to be the "perfect document" or the end all/be all. sort of like what i think of the d. torn "painting w/ guitar" vids from '93. it just documents where DT was then w/ his gear/technique, and demoing a small bit of what he did w/ looping. i'm sure DT probably doesn't sit and watch it, but it is a great tool for loopers (i've watched it a zillion times), even if it's 12 yrs old. i wouldn't expect what andre does now to be the same as '02, but what a great opportunity for others to see as a learning tool. guess i cast my one measly vote for '02 footage to see light of day....
s---
 
 

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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 4 22:18:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j452GNw17198; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=KhIEx9dW4Ew3UMbY3E/s4dQz/ZwLGvhgDum4MUzr4Z683woEaDeB2nS3yqtMYeLt; Message-ID: <410-2200554521838750@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:18:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940bbb519e954aa225e6035f658df713362350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The elegy was a good read...thanks for sharing it. I learned a lot about a great man. My first Fahey exposure was ads for his LPs in Guitar Player magazine in the '70s and early '80s. In 1986 I was working at Newbury Comics in Harvard Square and all the Fahey LPs were priced around 2 bucks each, maybe a third of what all the other platters were going for. So I bought 4 or 5 of his...it was all they had, and all I could afford. "Railroad" kicked my ass, esp. the liner notes, as did "Christmas with John Fahey." His stuff moved me as surely as Kottke's "Burnt Lips" (a very human record, one of my "desert island 10"). Then I met a critic/composer/multiinstrumentalist/Faheyite named Michael Bloom back in 1991 (he has been in my band since 1994) and through Bloom's later membership in Cul de Sac (he played on their "Crashes to Light" disc) I found out about the Fahey-CdS collaboration "The Epiphany of Glenn Jones." Oh...My...God. It was even more of a fever dream than their other stuff, so imbued was it with Fahey's ingeniously un-sane Faheyness. No, this is not nearly as interesting as the great "I saw him back in 1971" stories I've read here, but the man's music moved me so much that I felt compelled to speak. Of the several hundred great guitarists I could name, he is in my top 20, perhaps even my top 10, and he will stay there. ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Date: 5/4/2005 8:09:16 PM > Subject: Re: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality > > A friend of mine wrote an interesting obit/essay on > Fahey which can be found at > > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 03:06:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4573jW28036; Thu, 5 May 2005 03:03:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 03:03:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:04:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Belew RE: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo? From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-220055451538580@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3198096276_91321_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3198096276_91321_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Torn's PWG videos were very droll and cool to watch. Speaking of old instuctional videos, Belew's 20-year-old video is both genuinely educational and hugely entertaining. ~Tim got that Belew vid the day it came out-loved it and love it. still some pretty quirkee stuff on there and ya gotta love the EH gear setup in his rack- also the 16secDDL outre loop thang... still play it alot! s --MS_Mac_OE_3198096276_91321_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Belew RE: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo?
Torn's PWG videos were very droll and cool to wa= tch.
Speaking of old instuctional videos, Belew's 20-year-old video is both genu= inely educational and hugely entertaining.
~Tim

got that Belew vid the day it came out-loved it and love it. still some pretty quirkee stuff on there and ya gotta love the EH gear setu= p in his rack-
also the 16secDDL outre loop thang...
still play it alot!
s --MS_Mac_OE_3198096276_91321_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 03:40:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j457aZd00853; Thu, 5 May 2005 03:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 03:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.73] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050505014403.1747.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping as Filler Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:34:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2005 07:34:21.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAB2E3F0:01C55144] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the Union this is called doubling ,if it were a union session call ,you'd have to be paid for each instrument you double on. I think it works a little differently for "casuals". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 05:45:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j459gBN18108; Thu, 5 May 2005 05:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.222.73] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Now that's scary Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 02:41:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2005 09:41:13.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[93ACA650:01C55156] Resent-Message-ID: <-2Aa2.A.-ZE.KpeeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When Ozzy Osbourne left Black Sabbath in 1979, Michael Bolton was considered a possible replacement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 06:12:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45A9tm23885; Thu, 5 May 2005 06:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 06:09:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Now that's scary Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:07:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <2kG1VB.A.zxF.pCfeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 5, 2005, at 11:41, samba - wrote: > When Ozzy Osbourne left Black Sabbath in 1979, Michael Bolton was > considered a possible replacement. WHAT!? That sounds very strange. Are you sure? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 06:26:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45ALUh25825; Thu, 5 May 2005 06:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 06:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 11:25:52 +0100 Subject: RE: Masse CD and looping gigs From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050504090704.02b4b590@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j45AKLx25625 Resent-Message-ID: <-fRgxC.A.qQG.lNfeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for CD orders and I hope your are all enjoying listening to it. There will be more. As for looping gigs - we got to play chillout rooms in underground parties (somewhat by accident but that¹s another story). It seemed quite a natural place for that gentle juggling act that is live looping. People could talk, sleep or dance in-between the hell on wheels full on DJ rooms. People loved that fact that it was live music and were amazed that a pair of such old people (they were very young...) could play a six hour set with no more support than two litres of tea each. Curious how promoters were made nervous by live music without DJs and very nervous by us playing quietly !!!! Best wishes jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 (0)7862 246 120 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 07:06:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45B3tq00687; Thu, 5 May 2005 07:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> Cc: simeon@simeonharris.co.uk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:02:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <_amndB.A.GH.V1feCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I thought I should share this sound clip with the list since we had this discussion about the possibility of using a laptop to play sounds similar to those you get out of an Eventide Eclipse. I did the sound clip for a tutorial in Swedish I wrote on the topic "Using Ableton Live as a musician fx rig". So it's typically just plugging in a guitar and playing though the fx patches for demonstration. Not by any means a finished piece of music. I still think it may interest some. The file is 4 MB and uploaded at http:// www.boysen.se/audio/Live_clinic_Studio_6_2005.mp3 FYI, these are the plug-ins used: --> On Audio tracks: 2 Augustus Loop, panned Left vs Right. --> On Effect tracks: Live 4: Freeze reverb in economy resolution. OhmForce: OhmBoyz. Pluggo: Rye. Pluggo: SpeedShifter. --> MIDI Clips Lots of midi sequences (trigged by FCB1010 foot pedal) used to pitch transpose the two loops as well as for creating arpeggios in the spinning (and recording) loops. Eight different pitches used for the loops. No quantization used, so as soon as I step a pedal both loops go directly into the new pitch. Five arpeggios (can't imagine you need more? Comments?) 1. Octaves bouncing (kind of giving a "Ska back beat" on the upper octave) 2. Octaves bouncing (different poly rhythm accents) 3. Dim scale arpeggio. 4. Quint chord scale arpeggio. 5. Whole note scale arpeggio. All arpeggio clips send relevant pitch commands in a different order to the two panned loopers. This is for creating a broader stereo field and some interesting stereo poly rhythm. Augustus Loop parameters mapped to the FCB pedal are Feedback, Beat Division and Freeze Loop. Actually I never used Freeze Loop in this example, both loopers were overdubbing all the time. The "pad" sound in the background is Lives freeze reverb and the two pluggos also provide some instant sweetening, one among high and one among low frequencies. "Drums" provided by forty "RAM Mode" audio clips with random scripts ("Follow Action" as they are called in Live). On each eighth note the drum loop has the probability of one to twelve for changing to another, randomly picked, loop. When this happens the jump from one loop goes into the new loop at the same eighth note (since they are all run in "Legato Mode"). A chines gong sample is used to stop the random drums (triggerd from a foot pedal). To save up CPU resources no compressor plug-ins were used and no SupaTriggah on the drums ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 07:21:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45BJYK02998; Thu, 5 May 2005 07:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c55164$2f50efa0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:18:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, very impressive job ! I'm asking if it's all live-made. If yes, you're great ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook > Hi Loopers, > > I thought I should share this sound clip with the list since we had > this discussion about the possibility of using a laptop to play > sounds similar to those you get out of an Eventide Eclipse. > > I did the sound clip for a tutorial in Swedish I wrote on the topic > "Using Ableton Live as a musician fx rig". So it's typically just > plugging in a guitar and playing though the fx patches for > demonstration. Not by any means a finished piece of music. I still > think it may interest some. The file is 4 MB and uploaded at http:// > www.boysen.se/audio/Live_clinic_Studio_6_2005.mp3 > > > FYI, these are the plug-ins used: > > --> On Audio tracks: > 2 Augustus Loop, panned Left vs Right. > > --> On Effect tracks: > Live 4: Freeze reverb in economy resolution. > OhmForce: OhmBoyz. > Pluggo: Rye. > Pluggo: SpeedShifter. > > --> MIDI Clips > Lots of midi sequences (trigged by FCB1010 foot pedal) used to pitch > transpose the two loops as well as for creating arpeggios in the > spinning (and recording) loops. > > Eight different pitches used for the loops. No quantization used, so > as soon as I step a pedal both loops go directly into the new pitch. > > Five arpeggios (can't imagine you need more? Comments?) > 1. Octaves bouncing (kind of giving a "Ska back beat" on the upper > octave) > 2. Octaves bouncing (different poly rhythm accents) > 3. Dim scale arpeggio. > 4. Quint chord scale arpeggio. > 5. Whole note scale arpeggio. > > All arpeggio clips send relevant pitch commands in a different order > to the two panned loopers. This is for creating a broader stereo > field and some interesting stereo poly rhythm. > > Augustus Loop parameters mapped to the FCB pedal are Feedback, Beat > Division and Freeze Loop. Actually I never used Freeze Loop in this > example, both loopers were overdubbing all the time. The "pad" sound > in the background is Lives freeze reverb and the two pluggos also > provide some instant sweetening, one among high and one among low > frequencies. > > "Drums" provided by forty "RAM Mode" audio clips with random scripts > ("Follow Action" as they are called in Live). On each eighth note the > drum loop has the probability of one to twelve for changing to > another, randomly picked, loop. When this happens the jump from one > loop goes into the new loop at the same eighth note (since they are > all run in "Legato Mode"). A chines gong sample is used to stop the > random drums (triggerd from a foot pedal). > > To save up CPU resources no compressor plug-ins were used and no > SupaTriggah on the drums ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 04/05/2005 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 07:36:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45BWYi04921; Thu, 5 May 2005 07:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:30:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love it, Per! I am still afraid to use a laptop on stage and only want to rely on solid hardware. But when I listen to this I realize I'm missing out on quite some fun! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2005 13:03 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: simeon@simeonharris.co.uk > Subject: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook > > > Hi Loopers, > > I thought I should share this sound clip with the list since we had > this discussion about the possibility of using a laptop to play > sounds similar to those you get out of an Eventide Eclipse. > > I did the sound clip for a tutorial in Swedish I wrote on the topic > "Using Ableton Live as a musician fx rig". So it's typically just > plugging in a guitar and playing though the fx patches for > demonstration. Not by any means a finished piece of music. I still > think it may interest some. The file is 4 MB and uploaded at http:// > www.boysen.se/audio/Live_clinic_Studio_6_2005.mp3 > > > FYI, these are the plug-ins used: > > --> On Audio tracks: > 2 Augustus Loop, panned Left vs Right. > > --> On Effect tracks: > Live 4: Freeze reverb in economy resolution. > OhmForce: OhmBoyz. > Pluggo: Rye. > Pluggo: SpeedShifter. > > --> MIDI Clips > Lots of midi sequences (trigged by FCB1010 foot pedal) used to pitch > transpose the two loops as well as for creating arpeggios in the > spinning (and recording) loops. > > Eight different pitches used for the loops. No quantization used, so > as soon as I step a pedal both loops go directly into the new pitch. > > Five arpeggios (can't imagine you need more? Comments?) > 1. Octaves bouncing (kind of giving a "Ska back beat" on the upper > octave) > 2. Octaves bouncing (different poly rhythm accents) > 3. Dim scale arpeggio. > 4. Quint chord scale arpeggio. > 5. Whole note scale arpeggio. > > All arpeggio clips send relevant pitch commands in a different order > to the two panned loopers. This is for creating a broader stereo > field and some interesting stereo poly rhythm. > > Augustus Loop parameters mapped to the FCB pedal are Feedback, Beat > Division and Freeze Loop. Actually I never used Freeze Loop in this > example, both loopers were overdubbing all the time. The "pad" sound > in the background is Lives freeze reverb and the two pluggos also > provide some instant sweetening, one among high and one among low > frequencies. > > "Drums" provided by forty "RAM Mode" audio clips with random scripts > ("Follow Action" as they are called in Live). On each eighth note the > drum loop has the probability of one to twelve for changing to > another, randomly picked, loop. When this happens the jump from one > loop goes into the new loop at the same eighth note (since they are > all run in "Legato Mode"). A chines gong sample is used to stop the > random drums (triggerd from a foot pedal). > > To save up CPU resources no compressor plug-ins were used and no > SupaTriggah on the drums ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 07:47:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45Bimo06876; Thu, 5 May 2005 07:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <008e01c55164$2f50efa0$040a0a0a@fabio> References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> <008e01c55164$2f50efa0$040a0a0a@fabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0CEA75F1-C79E-49CA-BB3E-7BD36D630395@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:44:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 5, 2005, at 13:18, Fabio Anile wrote: > > I'm asking if it's all live-made. Yes. Plugging a Stratocaster into a POD1 and then right into the computer. A "one take" recording, if that's what you mean? (no additional overdubbing done except for playing it once while recording). It's the live looping from two Augustus Loop while pitch transposing them from my FCB1010 pedal that may sound like additional instruments. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 08:30:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45CQG814066; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:26:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:26:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1115295947!22390140!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FD2@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: here is a good Cream review: Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:22:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5516D.27A66AB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5516D.27A66AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" janis joplin, surely? carlos must be wondering how, after all those years of plying his trade, he managed to get a grammy for playing one lick over & over on someone else's record.... anyone know if it was a sample? sounded like one...... (see what I did there? almost, almost back onto looping......) d. -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2005 19:29 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: here is a good Cream review: There is a Greek Theater in Berkeley- up in the hills surronded by big eucalyptus trees with a view of the whole SF Bay -one of the best outdoor venues in the country. I think Santana still plays with real passion and fire,he isn't exaclty exploring new ground, and I don't care about collaborations with pop stars that I never would have heard otherwise, but I think he still sounds great. I play ltin percussion, that sound never gets old for me.The sense of mthe melody instrument being and extension of the voice is an aesthetic I greatly respect. I saw Beck on the tour for Truth when Rod Stewrt was his led singer ,and unknown in the states. the opening act was Big Brother and the Holding Company,w/ Janis-Stewart was not particularly impressive in comparison.I once sw Ike and Tina Turner open for the Stones-Tina made Jagger seem like complete poseur.And Ike did the sme to both stones guitarists.It's to their credit I suppose that they would hire openers that could and did so thoroughly outplay them. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5516D.27A66AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: here is a good Cream review:

janis joplin, surely?

carlos must be wondering how, after all those years of pl= ying his trade, he managed to get a grammy for playing one lick over & = over on someone else's record.... anyone know if it was a sample? sounded l= ike one......

(see what I did there? almost, almost back onto looping..= ....)

d.

-----Original Message-----
From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com]
Sent: 04 May 2005 19:29
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: here is a good Cream review:


   There is a Greek Theater in Berkeley- up in = the hills surronded by big
eucalyptus trees with a view of the whole SF Bay -one of= the best outdoor
venues in the country.
  I think Santana still plays with real passion and= fire,he isn't exaclty
exploring new ground, and I don't care about collaborati= ons with pop stars
that I never would have heard otherwise, but I think he = still sounds great.
I play ltin percussion, that sound never gets old for me= .The sense of mthe
melody instrument being and extension of the voice is an= aesthetic I greatly
respect. I saw Beck on the tour for Truth when Rod Stewr= t was his led singer
,and unknown in the states. the opening act was Big Brot= her and the Holding
Company,w/ Janis-Stewart was not particularly impressive= in comparison.I
once sw Ike and Tina Turner open for the Stones-Tina mad= e Jagger seem like 
complete poseur.And Ike did the sme to both stones guita= rists.It's to their
credit I suppose that they would hire openers that could= and did so
thoroughly outplay them.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5516D.27A66AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 08:32:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45CUvM14998; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:30:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:30:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6fb4f09409b995ec55deaeeb41d8a116@telia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brakophonic Subject: Re: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:30:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very Nice Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-05-05 kl. 13.02 skrev Per Boysen: > Hi Loopers, > > I thought I should share this sound clip with the list since we had > this discussion about the possibility of using a laptop to play sounds > similar to those you get out of an Eventide Eclipse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 08:42:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45CfBr16299; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1115296848!17614101!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FD3@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:37:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5516F.413A80E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5516F.413A80E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Page ripped off Beck? C'mon,all the English guitar heros got most of their ideas from black bluesman from the US. Clapton usually sounded like Freddie King......<< absolutely right & fair, but what I meant was.... given that all these white boys (& not just the ones over here in the UK) were already copping a lot of their stylings from an earlier generation- going all the way back to robert johnson, via charlie christian & the rest..... what beck did on "truth" & "beckola" was a sort of strangled prototype of the "heavy blues" that page produced with led zep. but now I'm thinking that this is pro-beck mythology.... it makes for a nice story- these boyhood pals, their brief spell together in the yardbirds.... the "betrayal".... but we already had cream by this time, & iron butterfly, vanilla fudge, johnny winter...... besides, what's so clever about stealing whole songs from someone else (as page did frequently) & just playing them with more distortion? it was still a good show though. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Page ripped off Beck? C'mon,all the English guita= r heros got most of their ideas from black bluesman from the US. Clapton us= ually sounded like Freddie King......<<

absolutely right & fair, but what I meant was.... giv= en that all these white boys (& not just the ones over here in the UK) = were already copping a lot of their stylings from an earlier generation- go= ing all the way back to robert johnson, via charlie christian & the res= t..... what beck did on "truth" & "beckola" was a s= ort of strangled prototype of the "heavy blues" that page produce= d with led zep.

but now I'm thinking that this is pro-beck mythology.... = it makes for a nice story- these boyhood pals, their brief spell together i= n the yardbirds.... the "betrayal".... but we already had cream b= y this time, & iron butterfly, vanilla fudge, johnny winter......

besides, what's so clever about stealing whole songs from= someone else (as page did frequently) & just playing them with more di= stortion? 

it was still a good show though.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5516F.413A80E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 09:17:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45DFqR23290; Thu, 5 May 2005 09:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012101c55174$74a31c30$7928d40a@h3g.it> From: "Giorgio Robino" To: References: <200505051230.j45CUKj14762@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:15:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: <9kY_R.A.soF.hxheCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices 1. possibly software solution I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost saving (my budget is low). I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in real-time possibly as *standalone* program; I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not have/know. In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a freeware VST host tool, but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. 2. hardware solution Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay fractalization I have in mind. many thanks / giorgio http://solyaris.altervista.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 09:37:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45DaC526542; Thu, 5 May 2005 09:36:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:36:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:41:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198148884_1121924" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198148884_1121924 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with it=B9s own delay and pan > setting. I=B9m not sure if the manual is available on line. Do loads of oth= er > stuff too - very reasonable price if you can still get them. >=20 > Jeremy >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices >>=20 >> 1. possibly software solution >> I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost savi= ng >> (my budget is low). >>=20 >> I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in real-tim= e >> possibly as *standalone* program; >> I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not have/k= now. >>=20 >> In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a freeware V= ST >> host tool, >> but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. >> I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. >>=20 >> 2. hardware solution >> Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? >> please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; >> I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay fractalizatio= n I >> have in mind. >>=20 >> many thanks / giorgio >> http://solyaris.altervista.org >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --B_3198148884_1121924 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?
VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with it’s = own delay and pan setting. I’m not sure if the manual is available on = line. Do loads of other stuff too - very reasonable price if you can still g= et them.

Jeremy



Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices

1. possibly software solution
I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost saving =
(my budget is low).

I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in real-time <= BR> possibly as *standalone* program;
I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not have/know= .

In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a  freeware= VST
host tool,
but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion.
I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs.

2. hardware solution
Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ?
please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping;
I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay fractalization I=
have in mind.

many thanks / giorgio
http://solyaris.altervista.org=





--B_3198148884_1121924-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 10:12:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45EA7W01431; Thu, 5 May 2005 10:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OSOTyvl0iegob1yx3tQ2ohzZja0sFiGCvVWU+Dzc7GzDpBYHF3YF0rx4AWc0YmFodwH9qka8jbnw2tyKsrg8NIEHRehuzFm1XPgHOUasOXjvAJ7uPK+Hvtp8IFiXNv0fH/49WXa1mkYhEo8sHuAonEY3ZDHsHjDIDh7YjSvkmAQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d05050507096961487f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:09:31 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? In-Reply-To: <012101c55174$74a31c30$7928d40a@h3g.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200505051230.j45CUKj14762@hemlock.violacea.com> <012101c55174$74a31c30$7928d40a@h3g.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j45E9Wx01318 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, here's a possible PC VST solution that should be free and easy to use Free, easy to use VST host: TobyBear MiniHost: http://www.tobybear.de/p_minihost.html Free multi-tap delay: Blue Multitap, part of Blue Line VST pack: http://www.music-boss.com/freeware_plug-in_blue_line.htm (Just as an aside, EnergyXT's free demo would be a great host as well, but it's probably overkill for this application). Good Luck, On 5/5/05, Giorgio Robino wrote: > Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices > > 1. possibly software solution > I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost saving > (my budget is low). > > I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in real-time > possibly as *standalone* program; > I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not have/know. > > In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a freeware VST > host tool, > but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. > I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. > > 2. hardware solution > Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? > please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; > I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay fractalization I > have in mind. > > many thanks / giorgio > http://solyaris.altervista.org > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 12:38:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45GRa225268; Thu, 5 May 2005 12:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.92,157,1112587200"; d="scan'217,208"; a="896940012:sNHT24443496" Resent-Message-Id: <4E917249-AFFF-41AC-89C2-197B53C7B971@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--435781848 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:26:11 -0700 Message-Id: Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Fahey, was Re: Nature of Reality Resent-From: David Coffin Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 00:49:45 -0700 To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--435781848 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MANY thanks for all these great Fahey tidbits and reminicenses...I'll skip recounting the depressing late-80s concert I saw in upstate NY (except to recall that about 2 minutes into the first performance after his intermission break JF stopped mid-phrase, took a swig of his beer, said he had to "answer a call of nature"....and walked off- stage again for about 5 minutes). But I'll remember to the end dragging my girl-friend and best buddies into my freshman dorm-room at GWU in DC in 1966 to lay motionless, speechless and stoned on the bed while I played them the entire 20 minutes of The Great San Bernardino Birthday Party; it's among the top 5 formative musical experiences of my life, and single-handedly responsible for me even owning a guitar today. There was another guy in the dorm who had grown up in Annapolis, had a little mahogany Martin and "knew a guy" who knew Fahey and was part of some Tacoma Park fingerstyle scene...it was all so delicious and mysterious and awe- inspiring....and oddly accessible. Jimi Hendrix, Otis Redding, JLHooker (and The Strawberry Alarm-Clock...) all played that year or the next at the Ambassador Theater where I peddled pipes and papers in the upstairs headshop....and I turned all my buds onto this groovy looking record I'd found called Piper at the Gates of Dawn.....but Fahey was at the top. dc On May 4, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Of the several hundred great guitarists I could name, > he is in my top 20, perhaps even my top 10, and he will stay there. > --Apple-Mail-1--435781848 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 MANY thanks for all these great = Fahey tidbits and reminicenses...I'll skip recounting the depressing = late-80s concert I saw in upstate NY (except to recall that about 2 = minutes into the first performance after his intermission break JF = stopped mid-phrase, took a swig of his beer, said he had to "answer a = call of nature"....and walked off-stage again for about 5 minutes). But = I'll remember to the end dragging my girl-friend and best buddies into = my freshman dorm-room at GWU in DC in 1966 to lay motionless,=A0speechless= and stoned on=A0the bed while I played them the entire 20 minutes of = The Great San Bernardino Birthday Party; it's among the top 5 formative = musical experiences of my life, and single-handedly responsible for me = even owning a guitar today. There was another guy in the dorm who had = grown up in Annapolis, had a little mahogany Martin and "knew a guy" who = knew Fahey and was part of some Tacoma Park fingerstyle scene...it was = all so delicious and mysterious and awe-inspiring....and oddly = accessible. Jimi Hendrix, Otis Redding, JLHooker (and The = Strawberry=A0Alarm-Clock...) all played that year or the next at the = Ambassador=A0Theater where I peddled pipes and papers in=A0the=A0upstairs = headshop....and I turned all my buds onto this groovy looking record I'd = found called Piper at the Gates of Dawn.....but Fahey was at the = top.
dc

On May 4, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Timothy = Mungenast wrote:

Of the several hundred = great guitarists I could name,
he is in my top 20, perhaps even my top 10, and he will stay = there.


= --Apple-Mail-1--435781848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 13:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45HAKW00752; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RZfV91zvvfE3Jh5Ida+tgJv5Xoyg7tbQWwc49KvuNpfU4UbQhYxK4RtJe/CfJ150; Message-ID: <410-22005545171229320@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Belew RE: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo? Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:12:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94097d69322ea6a2977e1b4102e35540d9f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.144.72 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII My 7-year old daughter refers to the Belew video as "the man with the red shirt." She loved/loves the scene where he creates this wacky wonderful loop and just walks away while it plays. I love it, too. ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loop Folk Sent: 5/5/2005 3:05:25 AM Subject: Re: Belew RE: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo? Torn's PWG videos were very droll and cool to watch. Speaking of old instuctional videos, Belew's 20-year-old video is both genuinely educational and hugely entertaining. ~Tim got that Belew vid the day it came out-loved it and love it. still some pretty quirkee stuff on there and ya gotta love the EH gear setup in his rack- also the 16secDDL outre loop thang... still play it alot! s ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Re: Belew RE: fahey/andre's edp vid (dvd) demo?
My 7-year old daughter refers to the Belew video as "the man with the red shirt." She loved/loves the scene where he creates this wacky wonderful loop and just walks away while it plays. I love it, too.
~Tim
 
 
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Torn's PWG videos were very droll and cool to watch.
Speaking of old instuctional videos, Belew's 20-year-old video is both genuinely educational and hugely entertaining.
~Tim


got that Belew vid the day it came out-loved it and love it.
still some pretty quirkee stuff on there and ya gotta love the EH gear setup in his rack-
also the 16secDDL outre loop thang...
still play it alot!
s
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 13:48:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45HgG005819; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050505174146.65891.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New track for ya. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great track! Really inspired. Mark --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Thanks Per, > > yeah, multitracking it will be entirely possible. I > plan to use 8 loops > bussed to 2 different fastFX units, at a total of > 60% cpu, so there's > room for some eqs and compressors running realtime > as well. > > It will be fun to work on some semi-planned looping > songs for a change, > while still keeping that element of chaos/surprise > that you get when one > person is looping another. > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > I like your looping trip! Heard it the other week > ot the Ableton > > Forum. Hearing this being your experimenting to > check out the looping > > capabilities of your compact setup makes me want > to hear the finished > > version. I think the flow and structure is good > but is bogged down a > > bit by some losses on technical side of the > production. Just one > > example: Since you sing very close to the mic the > bass frequencies > > come and go in the voice and this takes away some > of the intimacy > > that would make it stand out with a proper > treatment (cutting out > > bass, filtering and compressing). But that's just > technical aspects. > > As flow/performance/composition it is perfect as > far as my taste > > goes. If you could record inspired "takes" like > that by multi > > tracking (every sound goes into a sound file of > its own) you should > > be able really work on the sound afterwards and > make all the good > > things, that is already there, come out clearly. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2005, at 10:23, Andreas Wetterberg > wrote: > > > >> Right, in the spirit of.. erm. compostation, > here's a vocal track, > >> all live looping, one take. It's basically a > dry-run of my Live4/ > >> REaktor FastFX setup. All loops are recorded and > triggered and all > >> effects are toggled on or off with the laptop > keyboard - so this is > >> a pretty neat, compact setup. It will be the > basis for a series of > >> recording sessions with two vocalists and me as > the looper. > >> > >> I haven't been looping for that long, less than a > year, in fact, so > >> any comments on structure and flow would be > appreciated :-) > >> > >> > http://www.dytrych.net/upload/Machinate_-_Something_I_want.mp3 > >> > >> *Cheers* > >> > >> Andreas w. > >> > >> > >> jlucas wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On 29/04/05 12:57 -0600, Todd Howell wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Can we all go back to all of the technobabble > that we all find so > >>>> endearing about this list and knock off the > slagging involving > >>>> Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a > point of diminishing > >>>> returns and appears that further discourse with > the > >>>> afforementioned would not really be benefitting > the collective or > >>>> Wind Stick Devil. > >>>> What will it take to bring peace? 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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 5/5/2005 10:= 42:03 AM
Subject: Re: New t= rack for ya.
 
Great track!  Really inspired.
 
Mark
 
--- Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk>
wrote:
> Thanks Per,
>
> yeah, multitracking it will be entirely possible. I
> plan to use 8 loops
> bussed to 2 different fastFX units, at a total of
> 60% cpu, so there's
> room for some eqs and compressors running realtime
> as well.
>
> It will be fun to work on some semi-planned looping
> songs for a change,
> while still keeping that element of chaos/surprise
> that you get when one
> person is looping another.
>
> Per Boysen wrote:
>
> > I like your looping trip! Heard it the other week
> ot the Ableton
> > Forum. Hearing this being your experimenting to
> check out the looping
> > capabilities of your compact setup makes me want
> to hear the finished
> > version.  I think the flow and structure is good=
> but is bogged down a
> > bit by some losses on technical side of the
> production. Just one
> > example: Since you sing very close to the mic the
> bass frequencies
> > come and go in the voice and this takes away some
> of the intimacy
> > that would make it stand out with a proper
> treatment (cutting out
> > bass, filtering and compressing). But that's just
> technical aspects.
> > As flow/performance/composition it is perfect as
> far as my taste
> > goes. If you could record inspired "takes" like
> that by multi
> > tracking (every sound goes into a sound file of
> its own) you should
> > be able really work on the sound afterwards and
> make all the good
> > things, that is already there, come out clearly.
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > ---
> > http://www.looproom.co= m (international)
> > http://www.boysen.se = (Swedish site)
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 1, 2005, at 10:23, Andreas Wetterberg
> wrote:
> >
> >> Right, in the spirit of.. erm. compostation,
> here's a vocal track,
> >> all live looping, one take. It's basically a
> dry-run of my Live4/
> >> REaktor FastFX setup. All loops are recorded and
> triggered and all
> >> effects are toggled on or off with the laptop
> keyboard - so this is
> >> a pretty neat, compact setup. It will be the
> basis for a series of
> >> recording sessions with two vocalists and me as
> the looper.
> >>
> >> I haven't been looping for that long, less than a
> year, in fact, so
> >> any comments on structure and flow would be
> appreciated :-)
> >>
> >>
>
> >>
> >> *Cheers*
> >>
> >> Andreas w.
> >>
> >>
> >> jlucas wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 29/04/05 12:57 -0600, Todd Howell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Can we all go back to all of the technobabble<= /DIV>
> that we all find so
> >>>> endearing about this list and knock off the
> slagging involving
> >>>> Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a
> point of diminishing
> >>>> returns and appears that further discourse wit= h
> the
> >>>> afforementioned would not really be benefittin= g
> the collective or
> >>>> Wind Stick Devil.
> >>>> What will it take to bring peace? Ideas?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Post some *music*.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > .
> >
>
>
 
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2005 14:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050505181201.70452.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I've felt this way and left the list too, but I've learned a valuable lesson: "Whatever" I used to put a LOT of effort into this list and now I just don't. Not worth it. I'll contribute when I feel like it but the idea that I was helping build or form something that was somehow "important" is long gone. I chalk it up to what the Greeks call "Hubris" If people feel something is important, they'll pay you for it. Giving away your secrets for free tells people the time you spent discovering your secrets was worthless. This said, I still contribute because I like to, but I'm much more aware that it's for me and not for anyone else. So Andre, my iFriend, come back and stay awhile. You were probably right in not offering your secrets to the public. If people want to learn how to use an EDP the way you do, they need only to do what you did. There are people here who appreciate you and your work... and I think there were even defenses of your ideas. However there are more people here who will argue with you and could care less what you do. Keep it all in mind and you'll enjoy this list a lot more. Mark --- a k butler wrote: > > > (I'll admit that these concerns come largely from > the backlash > >which drove me off of this list a year ago, and > what seemed to me to be > >a more or less complete absence - at that time - of > any public, on-list > >defense of my attempted contributions to this > community.) > > Andre > I thought that a detailed defense of your (many) > contributions would have been > pointless > 1) because regular list members would know anyway > 2) I thought you wouldn't see it, because you said > you'd signed off. > > Probably others thought likewise. > > andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 14:25:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45IMXe13232; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:22:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NQjm2v0E5RDU2GLIrMnbthjD/E0KPab7AxgsYe6QpiD9IXgGOMuhIs4TJmZyLiH62vKj5EkSQ0lWllsqrDuB+qQui0nLK9wdXVX0Qc/SgipRdE+UgojS2/eRzO+eJYPQUSceH0te43bvS8Q6BsLPkJcY0e26TEwSkcdyyn5DSmg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:22:07 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre appears again In-Reply-To: <20050505181201.70452.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050505181201.70452.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j45IMDx13155 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah. And the idea of "secrets" in music is highly overrated. On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Giving away your secrets for free tells > people the time you spent discovering your secrets was > worthless. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 14:35:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45IW8014680; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-2" Message-Id: <427A667A.00006F.03588@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:31:22 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20050505182721.79632.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre appears again X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D I agree....just use the delete key as a filter. =0D All group lists have noise...I appreciate all the helpful =0D people. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 5/5/2005 11:27:39 AM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Andre appears again=0D =0D See what I mean? ;)=0D =0D --- Travis Hartnett wrote:=0D > Nah.=0D > And the idea of "secrets" in music is highly=0D > overrated.=0D >=0D > On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro=0D > wrote:=0D > > Giving away your secrets for free tells=0D > > people the time you spent discovering your secrets=0D > was=0D > > worthless.=0D >=0D >=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 I agree....just use the delete key as a filter.
All group lists have noise...I appreciate all the helpful
people.
 
 
 
 
Date: 5/5/2005 11:= 27:39 AM
Subject: Re: Andre= appears again
 
See what I mean? ;)
 
--- Travis Hartnett <= travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nah.
> And the idea of "secrets" in music is highly
> overrated.
>
> On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro
> > Giving away your secrets for free tells
> > people the time you spent discovering your secrets
> was
> > worthless.
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--=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-3-- --=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-2 Content-Type: image/gif; name="reallogo.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <5430B16D-533F-428D-9A9A-585A632B8271> R0lGODlhSwAnAMQAABcUEc/f7IuKiABXmqmnpl9dWzMzM1CMuq/K3////4CrzUCBsyBsp5mZmcbF xFBOTOLi4X17evHx8SYjIHChxp/A2dTU00NAPhBioLa1tDB3rd/q8mCWwL/V5mZmZv4BAiH5BAUU AB8ALAAAAABLACcAAAX/YCKOZGmeaKqubLshyrEwQz0wy6EgW+v/PgSHZisabZhDRQJsAgMczHFK rR0Qziyqs6h6qwyFFgVxmM0nCeer0SkUlfdbBsaOSQ+AHnAxdaRTGhQdPgEVB1MUdyN7ehElFVMY HD1ZGwoLFHJviw6NABkkkUccTIunJgKfpgkBRxiEKQQCtAIECQQFBhOhIhYRDxcADwUErCQQDQ8G ewYPEQ54jX0jGkYYASvMex55ehNMDsKf3w0lDeSfHoyNjyIdR9kqEOl7Arj1jfciBJ/OE59ueWrU K8GaImJW9KsHLsMnARAkoGsEQcQ2RyIkXARwT1UjVkRsVFLhwR+BihAs/2zcJ8KbHnMpBu655ZIP iSMtNk6oOMJCPnIsMwgo8CBYOgsJPrkTgXMFvXbnfn4y1wCg1AkJZOopmMBakWMnFu6JRsKjHgO1 0taCYFbPhQgCMhSwCqBAgrYAjh20UWFFyUYmxAIwoK2RXRFP95irSW2EqyIYwJbY+MCEBLp1zeC9 9elCRQvj9iBVagJREQ2SET8MKxXAugQb82HVCspyyBoa5JUQDIBsYMyNJrC0AJxP6Lp3V1UtEQAQ koQkHKhVCKzog7iWG3S7Hq1B2mizalHFyvx2jTCpUalPY5rUkiYSNimgQCH9+hEInB/RwEFBB90o KKDfAIrcx0J8A34BYHMF5jEQi4EtSFCBV18wMAIXR9QHoRMBUGCeEX1t0J4NDm54xwYVcNBFEQxs sFcRGpqo3gYddEChERo8KON6EiQ4AHQ73vcibgAGOeM1QBq53ogLjKTkevDUgEFfT0K44gFOVqle JBjYoaWBFBxg35dkBhkCADs= --=_flawless.real.com-13699-1115317873-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 14:39:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45ITdX14256; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:29:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:29:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050505182721.79632.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6qj16B.A.VaD.PWmeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See what I mean? ;) --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Nah. > And the idea of "secrets" in music is highly > overrated. > > On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > Giving away your secrets for free tells > > people the time you spent discovering your secrets > was > > worthless. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 14:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45IXxm15047; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:33:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.92,157,1112587200"; d="scan'208"; a="30883079:sNHT19055700" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 11:32:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Andre appears again In-Reply-To: <20050505181201.70452.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1EUsjC.A.omD.SbmeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to give that impression but I think there are more people here who don't argue; more that do care what others are doing. At 2005.05.05 11:12 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: >ideas. However there are more people here who will >argue with you and could care less what you do. Keep From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 15:22:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45JGIL22307; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.3.92] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Now that's scary Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 12:16:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2005 19:16:11.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5CDD4E0:01C551A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don'tknow if it's true,I got it from one of those columns of factoids from the Austin Chronicle   When Ozzy Osbourne left Black Sabbath in 1979, Michael Bolton was  considered a possible replacement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 15:30:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45JR1n23838; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.3.92] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FD3@lon-oxmail02> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 12:24:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2005 19:24:22.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A941680:01C551A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree ,glad you mentioned iron butterfly-that guitarist got some of the first really industrial sounds i'd say ,and vanilla fudge. There's an album-Howling Wolf in London where he played with all those english cats-when he got back to the states he said something like-Those English guys were wonderful ,they treated me really well,and sure love the blues-can;t play 'em worth a damn though. Try playing blues by the Yardbirds I'm a Man fr'instance ,back to back with Paul Butterfield of roughly the same vintage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 15:43:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45JagV25311; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:35:59 EDT Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_dc.25e3e83d.2fabcf9f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_dc.25e3e83d.2fabcf9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Let it be known that I think it is a shame that Andre was more-or-less driven to feel unwelcome and unwanted by a few posers and malcontents that have probably=20 since left the LD list anyway. He contibuted a lot to the intelligence of the discourse on LD=20 and made it a place to actualy learn an important thing or two about music and looping from time to time. I frequently was challenged by his posts to dig deeper. I also feel bad 'cause he's a nice guy, terrifically talented and (in a real way), waaaay more deeply innovative in his=20 approach to looping (if not music in general) than nearly=20 all of thwe rest of us. The list lost a great asset a year ago. I still miss his input. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of the other "luminaries" that used to grace these pages (David Torn, et al) possibly even lost interest themselves once Andre was gone. Speaking as someone who has been on the list since October of 1996 (nearly since the beginning) I've seen a lot of folks come and go. But, when Andre and DT stopped posting=20 (even on a semi-regular basis) it lost a lot of it's appeal=20 for me . . . not all . . . but quite a chunk. There are many posters who's threads I'll still check out simply 'cause their names are attached. But they are darn few and far=20 between. Nowdays, there are posts I won't even bother with 'cause of who's name is on it first. It's kinda sad to think of it. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_dc.25e3e83d.2fabcf9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Let it be known that I think it is a shame that Andre was
more-or-less driven to feel unwelcome and unwanted
by a few posers and malcontents that have probably
since left the LD list anyway.

He contibuted a lot to the intelligence of the discourse on LD
and made it a place to actualy learn an important thing or two
about music and looping from time to time. I frequently
was challenged by his posts to dig deeper.

I also feel bad 'cause he's a nice guy, terrifically talented
and (in a real way), waaaay more deeply innovative in his
approach to looping (if not music in general) than nearly
all of thwe rest of us.

The list lost a great asset a year ago. I still miss his input.
I wouldn't doubt that a lot of the other "luminaries" that
used to grace these pages (David Torn, et al) possibly
even lost interest themselves once Andre was gone.

Speaking as someone who has been on the list since October
of 1996 (nearly since the beginning) I've seen a lot of folks
come and go. But, when Andre and DT stopped posting
(even on a semi-regular basis) it lost a lot of it's appeal
for me . . . not all . . . but quite a chunk.

There are many posters who's threads I'll still check out simply
'cause their names are attached. But they are darn few and far
between. Nowdays, there are posts I won't even bother with
'cause of who's name is on it first.

It's kinda sad to think of it.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_dc.25e3e83d.2fabcf9f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 15:56:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45JjJM26434; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.92,157,1112587200"; d="scan'217,208"; a="991810820:sNHT9045620586" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--423935654 Message-Id: <1A5D4DD1-FD69-4C1A-8332-838A7E65CC70@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:43:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <6ykP4D.A.1bG.weneCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--423935654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Lovely!! ...gonna translate that tutorial? dc On May 5, 2005, at 4:02 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I did the sound clip for a tutorial in Swedish I wrote on the topic > "Using Ableton Live as a musician fx rig". --Apple-Mail-2--423935654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lovely!!
...gonna translate = that tutorial?
dc

On May 5, 2005, at 4:02 = AM, Per Boysen wrote:

I did the sound clip for = a tutorial in Swedish I wrote on the topic "Using Ableton Live as a = musician fx rig".=A0


= --Apple-Mail-2--423935654-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 16:18:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45KCfW31754; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <1A5D4DD1-FD69-4C1A-8332-838A7E65CC70@earthlink.net> References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> <1A5D4DD1-FD69-4C1A-8332-838A7E65CC70@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:12:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I did, it wouldn't look a lot different than the step-for-step description I already posted ;-) / per On May 5, 2005, at 21:43, David Coffin wrote: > Lovely!! > ...gonna translate that tutorial? > dc > > On May 5, 2005, at 4:02 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I did the sound clip for a tutorial in Swedish I wrote on the >> topic "Using Ableton Live as a musician fx rig". > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 16:20:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45KEog32140; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 15:14:26 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Andre appears again In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <427A7EA2.2050601@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6667@aus08-mail1.central.sun.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8iQ2LC.A.R0H.k6neCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Echevarria wrote: > I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to give > that impression but I think there are more people here who don't argue; > more that do care what others are doing. I'm new to this list, so forgive my ignorance of the past. But I've been searching the archives for the last few years looking for this mysterious "backlash", or for that matter any arguments at all. With the possible exception of the Cooperman Incident, it all seems pretty tame to me. I've been on large public "lists" since the late seventies (anyone remember Plato?) and this is certainly one of the more civilized lists I've been on. So if this is what you guys call arguing, I can only say HA! You need to be on some XML standards committees :-) As for this comment: > On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Giving away your secrets for free tells > people the time you spent discovering your secrets was > worthless. I don't know the poster well enough to understand what he is trying to say, but taken literally this is frogwash. How many of you have ever used a free VST plugin? Or a web browser? I'm grateful the open source community doesn't believe this. Ooooh, was that "backlash"? Amateurs. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 16:50:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45KdZA04158; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.92,157,1112587200"; d="scan'217,208"; a="896689791:sNHT22473060" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> <1A5D4DD1-FD69-4C1A-8332-838A7E65CC70@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--420663305 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:38:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3--420663305 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Wot...no pictures?!! On May 5, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > If I did, it wouldn't look a lot different than the step-for-step > description I already posted ;-) --Apple-Mail-3--420663305 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Wot...no pictures?!!

On May 5, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

If I did, it wouldn't look a lot different than the step-for-step description I already posted ;-)


--Apple-Mail-3--420663305-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 17:17:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45KxUq08420; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <95699610-3B46-4873-A3C6-1E152BB68C6D@boysen.se> <1AC6C034-F0CF-42BA-8494-23A50FFA0744@boysen.se> <1A5D4DD1-FD69-4C1A-8332-838A7E65CC70@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <721449F9-AB61-47A1-A7C9-205ACC785D04@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sound Clip: Eclipse-ish sounds on Powerbook Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:58:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess you're pulling my leg now ;-) But seriously, pictures are too heavy documents to post. I'm sending the graphical designer of the mag 15 complete full monitor screen shots in as multi layered TIF files. Each picture is 80 to 90 percent bigger than the area that is to be used for printing. The ten percent area, that the text is focusing on, I mark out on a separate layer. Complete online delivery of one such article is 60 to 90 MB. If someone wants to experiment with setting up, in Live, the stuff I described I'm happy to answer any questions that might come up. I can even send the Live Session document to whoever might be seriously interested. It's only 644 KB. But it will not work for any one else until that person had redone all the midi controller mapping to fit his/her set-up. per On May 5, 2005, at 22:38, David Coffin wrote: > Wot...no pictures?!! > > On May 5, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> If I did, it wouldn't look a lot different than the step-for-step >> description I already posted ;-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 17:52:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45Lj0O15215; Thu, 5 May 2005 17:45:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:45:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> References: <6667> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:43:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Andre appears again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:32 AM -0700 5/5/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: >I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to give that impression but I think there are more people here who don't argue; more that do care what others are doing. > > >At 2005.05.05 11:12 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: >>ideas. However there are more people here who will >>argue with you and could care less what you do. Keep Gee, Sean, you're so argumentative. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 18:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45LqDC16144; Thu, 5 May 2005 17:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:52:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.92,157,1112587200"; d="scan'208"; a="30964671:sNHT28946940" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505144922.01a44d18@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:51:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Andre appears again In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> <6667> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm such a vociferous malcontent that I'll disagree with that too. At 2005.05.05 02:43 PM, Chris Muir wrote: >At 11:32 AM -0700 5/5/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: > >I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to give > that impression but I think there are more people here who don't argue; > more that do care what others are doing. > > > > >Gee, Sean, you're so argumentative. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 19:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45NYnc01302; Thu, 5 May 2005 19:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427AAD64.1080409@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:33:56 -0700 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre appears again References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> <6667> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505144922.01a44d18@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505144922.01a44d18@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, things are really heating up in here. Sean Echevarria wrote: > I'm such a vociferous malcontent that I'll disagree with that too. > > At 2005.05.05 02:43 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > >> At 11:32 AM -0700 5/5/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: >> >I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to >> give that impression but I think there are more people here who don't >> argue; more that do care what others are doing. >> > >> >> >> Gee, Sean, you're so argumentative. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 19:41:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j45NbiP01833; Thu, 5 May 2005 19:37:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:37:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.92,158,1112587200"; d="scan'208"; a="30997070:sNHT19915776" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505163626.01a52138@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:37:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Andre appears again In-Reply-To: <427AAD64.1080409@sbcglobal.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505144922.01a44d18@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> <6667> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505144922.01a44d18@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's anarchy I tell you. Where's the moderator when you need him? At 2005.05.05 04:33 PM, armatronix wrote: >Wow, things are really heating up in here. > >Sean Echevarria wrote: > >>I'm such a vociferous malcontent that I'll disagree with that too. >> >>At 2005.05.05 02:43 PM, Chris Muir wrote: >> >>>At 11:32 AM -0700 5/5/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: >>> >I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to >>> give that impression but I think there are more people here who don't >>> argue; more that do care what others are doing. >>> > >>> >>> >>>Gee, Sean, you're so argumentative. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 20:16:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j460CdC08540; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427AB643.9080408@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 19:11:47 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre appears again References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505144922.01a44d18@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> <6667> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505112739.01a42d28@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505144922.01a44d18@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050505163626.01a52138@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050505163626.01a52138@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhhhhhhh shuddup!! :) Sean Echevarria wrote: > It's anarchy I tell you. Where's the moderator when you need him? > > At 2005.05.05 04:33 PM, armatronix wrote: > >> Wow, things are really heating up in here. >> >> Sean Echevarria wrote: >> >>> I'm such a vociferous malcontent that I'll disagree with that too. >>> >>> At 2005.05.05 02:43 PM, Chris Muir wrote: >>> >>>> At 11:32 AM -0700 5/5/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: >>>> >I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to >>>> give that impression but I think there are more people here who >>>> don't argue; more that do care what others are doing. >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> Gee, Sean, you're so argumentative. >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 21:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j461DkO17239; Thu, 5 May 2005 21:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=crZKuBP0HfOxQOSsvjbIZUlNrmyLIT7a+giQknnNY87u+wqkBDRgJO3XDWF1dMQ7; Message-ID: <410-2200555611638590@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vociferous malcontents Re: Andre appears again Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:16:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94086c60f509948dd2014ad07a756a37fe0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.164.206 Resent-Message-ID: <3vHQ_C.A.SME.tSseCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I'm such a vociferous malcontent that I'll disagree with that too." Gosh, this reminds me of a Bob Newhart episode wherein one of his group-therapy participants said "we can't keep getting miffed and vexed at each other"... miffed...heh heh...vexed...heh heh heh.... ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Sean Echevarria > To: > Date: 5/5/2005 5:53:02 PM > Subject: Re: Andre appears again > > I'm such a vociferous malcontent that I'll disagree with that too. > > At 2005.05.05 02:43 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > >At 11:32 AM -0700 5/5/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: > > >I'd disagree. it only takes a couple of vociferous malcontents to give > > that impression but I think there are more people here who don't argue; > > more that do care what others are doing. > > > > > > > > >Gee, Sean, you're so argumentative. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 23:13:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j463C1302679; Thu, 5 May 2005 23:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:12:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:12:01 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam: Bay Area and Central Coast From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198168722_9462946" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198168722_9462946 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello Friends: Look forward to seeing you this Sunday-- =B3gong & bass=B2 Presented by the Second Sundays Live Looping Series Sunday May 8 7-10 pm Admission free, all ages Location: The ATTIC, 931 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz Musical Performers=20 =20 - Max Valentino=20 =20 - Matt Davignon=20 =20 - ghost7=20 =20 - Amar & Samba=20 =20 Visual Performers - Ms. Pinky - Mobius =20 About Live Looping Live looping is an art form in which musicians use technology to capture or =B3loop=B2 musical passages in real time, while playing. Once a phrase or sound is captured, it becomes an independent musical element, which the musician can repeat and alter, playing with it or against it.=20 Live Looping essentially allows a musician to act as his or her own ensemble, making it possible for performers to push the boundaries of their instruments and their musical imaginations to new and often far-reaching places. Live loopers create walls of layered sound, full compositions with multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible soundscapes, and are some of th= e most interesting and inventive musicians on the planet today. Performer Information =20 ghost7 =20 Music from the dream you had just before you woke . . . Take a 4-string bas= s and mutate, destroy, and reassemble cascading layers of sound. Experimental bassist Ghost7 recently relocated to Santa Cruz from Boston, and has played with numerous groundbreaking musicians in the US and Japan, including Chris Cutler, Kazuhisa Uchihashi, and E-Da (formerly of Boredoms)= . ghost7=B9s CD =B3New Directions In Static=B2 is available online at CD Baby and a= t Streetlight Records, Santa Cruz ( Electronic section) sound samples and more info at: www.envelopeproductions.com www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 =20 Amar & Samba May 8 will mark the first performance of an exciting experimental duo comprised of Amar Chaudhary and Christopher Cohn (Samba). Amar & Samba will be using gongs, looping devices and innovative software designed by Amar to create a richly textured mix of sound. Amar Chaudhary is a longtime composer and performer specializing in contemporary and electronic music, as well as a developer of advanced software for sound synthesis and music composition. Amar=B9s music has been performed internationally and he has received several honors for his musica= l work. Christopher Cohn is a longtime performer of African Music, and is =B3interested in using randomization to break the curse of dimensionality.=B2 sound samples and more info at: http://www.amar-music.info/ http://www.lotuslazuli.com/music.htm =20 Matt Davignon Matt Davignon has developed a unique form of improvisation over the last 10 years, focusing on textures, arrhythmic patterns and musical imperfections. Working primarily with drum machines, Matt creates dynamic, biological musi= c that crackles and oozes with life. sound samples and more info at: http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=3D153 http://www.soundclick.com/mattdavignon =20 Max Valentino Bassist Max Valentino is on a personal quest to broaden the preconceived notion of the bass guitar. Max has performed hundreds of solo performances in which he wows the audience with lilting melodies, stunning chordal and percussive displays, and mesmerizing compositions. Max has worked with such notables as John Zorn prot=E9g=E9 David Slusser, forme= r Henry Threadgil guitarist Ron Thompson, percussionist and live looper Rick Walker, and Michael Manring, and his playing has been described as =B3emotionally evocative, wholly musical, and technically awe-inspiring.=B2 -------------- Second Sundays Live Looping Series Producers: Rick Walker, Bill Walker, Dan Soltzberg Executive Producer: Rick Walker For more information, please contact: Dan Soltzberg Envelope Productions 831-335-8336 617-470-2087 (cell) dan@envelopeproductions.com www.envelopeproductions.com ------ End of Forwarded Message --B_3198168722_9462946 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Gig Spam: Bay Area and Central Coast Hello Friends:

Look forward to seeing you this Sunday--



“gong & bass”


Presented by the Second Sundays Li= ve Looping Series

Sunday May 8 7-10 pm
Admission free, all ages

Location: The ATTIC, 931 Pacific A= ve. Santa Cruz


Musical Performers


- Max Valentino

- Matt Davignon

- ghost7

- Amar & Samba


Visual Performers



- Ms. Pinky

- Mobius




About Live Looping


Live looping is an art form in whi= ch musicians use technology to capture or “loop” musical passage= s in real time, while playing. Once a phrase or sound is captured, it become= s an independent musical element, which the musician can repeat and alter, p= laying with it or
against it.

Live Looping essentially allows a = musician to act as his or her own ensemble, making it possible for performer= s to push the boundaries of their instruments and their musical imaginations= to new and often far-reaching places. Live loopers create walls of layered = sound, full compositions with multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible so= undscapes, and are some of the most interesting and inventive musicians on t= he planet today.



Performer Information



ghost7  


Music from the dream you had just = before you woke . . . Take a 4-string bass and mutate, destroy, and reassemb= le cascading layers of sound.

Experimental bassist Ghost7 recent= ly relocated to Santa Cruz from Boston, and has played with numerous groundb= reaking musicians in the US and Japan, including Chris Cutler, Kazuhisa Uchi= hashi, and E-Da (formerly of Boredoms).

ghost7’s CD “New Direc= tions In Static” is available online at CD Baby and at Streetlight Rec= ords, Santa Cruz ( Electronic section)

sound samples and more info at:
www.envelopeproductions.com <http://www.envelopeproductions.com/> www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 <http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7>


Amar & Samba


May 8 will mark the first performa= nce of an exciting experimental duo comprised of Amar Chaudhary and Christop= her Cohn (Samba). Amar & Samba will be using gongs, looping devices and = innovative software designed by Amar to create a richly textured mix of soun= d.

Amar Chaudhary is a longtime compo= ser and performer specializing in contemporary and electronic music, as well= as a developer of advanced software for sound synthesis and music compositi= on. Amar’s music has been performed internationally and he has receive= d several honors for his musical work.

Christopher Cohn is a longtime per= former of African Music, and is “interested in using randomization to = break the curse of dimensionality.”

sound samples and more info at:
http://www.amar-music.info/ <http://www.amar-music.info/>
http://www.lotuslazuli.com/music.htm <http://www.lotuslazuli.com/music.h= tm>


Matt Davignon


Matt Davignon has developed a uniq= ue form of improvisation over the last 10 years, focusing on textures, arrhy= thmic patterns and musical imperfections. Working primarily with drum machin= es, Matt creates dynamic, biological music that crackles and oozes with life= .

sound samples and more info at:
http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=3D153 <http://w= ww.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=3D153>
http://www.soundclick.com/mattdavignon <http://www.soundclick.com/mattda= vignon>


Max Valentino


Bassist Max Valentino is on a pers= onal quest to broaden the preconceived notion of the bass guitar. Max has pe= rformed hundreds of solo performances in which he wows the audience with lil= ting melodies, stunning chordal and percussive displays, and mesmerizing com= positions.

Max has worked with such notables = as John Zorn protégé David Slusser, former Henry Threadgil gui= tarist Ron Thompson, percussionist and live looper Rick Walker, and Michael = Manring, and his playing has been described as “emotionally evocative,= wholly musical, and technically awe-inspiring.”


 --------------



Second Sundays Live Looping Series


Producers: Rick Walker, Bill Walke= r, Dan Soltzberg

Executive Producer: Rick Walker

For more information, please contact:
Dan Soltzberg
Envelope Productions
831-335-8336
617-470-2087 (cell)
dan@envelopeproductions.com
www.envelopeproductions.com




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 --B_3198168722_9462946-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 23:14:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j463CTO02713; Thu, 5 May 2005 23:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.281a927f.2fac3a4a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:11:06 EDT Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c6.281a927f.2fac3a4a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <9l-O0D.A.tn.VBueCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c6.281a927f.2fac3a4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/5/05 7:34:23 PM, armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net writes: > Wow, things are really heating up in here. > throw some icewater on me , i'm going crazy!.....:).....mic --part1_1c6.281a927f.2fac3a4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/5/05 7:34:23 PM, armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net writes:

Wow, things are really he= ating up in here.


throw some icewater on me , i'm going crazy!.....:).....mic --part1_1c6.281a927f.2fac3a4a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 23:15:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j463DfQ02868; Thu, 5 May 2005 23:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <97.5ef82e8c.2fac3a9c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:12:28 EDT Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.5ef82e8c.2fac3a9c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_97.5ef82e8c.2fac3a9c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/5/05 8:12:18 PM, dougcox@pdq.net writes: > Ahhhhhhhh shuddup!! :) > i think you meant to say "PLEASE SHUDDUP" didn't you?.....wtf!....:).....mic --part1_97.5ef82e8c.2fac3a9c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/5/05 8:12:18 PM, dougcox@pdq.net writes:


Ahhhhhhhh shuddup!! :)


i think you meant to say "PLEASE SHUDDUP" didn't you?.....wtf!....:).....mic= <= /FONT> --part1_97.5ef82e8c.2fac3a9c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 5 23:22:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j463KuG04307; Thu, 5 May 2005 23:20:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:20:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ff.109533b.2fac3c61@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:20:01 EDT Subject: Re: Gig Spam: Bay Area and Central Coast To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ff.109533b.2fac3c61_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ff.109533b.2fac3c61_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/5/05 11:11:49 PM, d.ans@rcn.com writes: > Look forward to seeing you this Sunday-- > what a dynamic live looping scene this is!!!!!.....i am so envious!!!!! preach on ladies and gentleman!!!!!.....wish i could be there!.....mic --part1_1ff.109533b.2fac3c61_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/5/05 11:11:49 PM, d.ans@rcn.com writes:


Look forward to seeing yo= u this Sunday--


what a dynamic live looping scene this is!!!!!.....i am so envious!!!!! prea= ch on ladies and gentleman!!!!!.....wish i could be there!.....mic --part1_1ff.109533b.2fac3c61_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 00:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4645VK11254; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:12:32 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Message-id: <003c01c551f1$d486cf20$f6bca344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050505181201.70452.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - This posting of yours has some very cynical moments. I hope there is more sunshine in your day to day. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Andre appears again > Yeah, I've felt this way and left the list too, but > I've learned a valuable lesson: "Whatever" I used to > put a LOT of effort into this list and now I just > don't. Not worth it. I'll contribute when I feel > like it but the idea that I was helping build or form > something that was somehow "important" is long gone. > I chalk it up to what the Greeks call "Hubris" If > people feel something is important, they'll pay you > for it. Giving away your secrets for free tells > people the time you spent discovering your secrets was > worthless. This said, I still contribute because I > like to, but I'm much more aware that it's for me and > not for anyone else. > > So Andre, my iFriend, come back and stay awhile. You > were probably right in not offering your secrets to > the public. If people want to learn how to use an EDP > the way you do, they need only to do what you did. > There are people here who appreciate you and your > work... and I think there were even defenses of your > ideas. However there are more people here who will > argue with you and could care less what you do. Keep > it all in mind and you'll enjoy this list a lot more. > > Mark > > --- a k butler wrote: > > > > > (I'll admit that these concerns come largely from > > the backlash > > >which drove me off of this list a year ago, and > > what seemed to me to be > > >a more or less complete absence - at that time - of > > any public, on-list > > >defense of my attempted contributions to this > > community.) > > > > Andre > > I thought that a detailed defense of your (many) > > contributions would have been > > pointless > > 1) because regular list members would know anyway > > 2) I thought you wouldn't see it, because you said > > you'd signed off. > > > > Probably others thought likewise. > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 01:26:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j465PPM23737; Fri, 6 May 2005 01:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 01:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.205] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gig Spam: Bay Area and Central Coast Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 05:24:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 05:24:51.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDC810C0:01C551FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well...I was just about to drop a little "shameless self-promotion gig spam" on the list but it seems Dan beat me to it. I am quite excited about this show. I am making a special trip up to Santa Cruz for the weekend....my semi-annual pilgrimage to the "Looping Center of The Universe".... Hope to see a few of the list members there! ...and a splendid time is guaranteed for all... Max Valentino > > >³gong & bass² > >Presented by the Second Sundays Live Looping Series > >Sunday May 8 7-10 pm >Admission free, all ages > >Location: The ATTIC, 931 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz > > >Musical Performers > > >- Max Valentino > >- Matt Davignon > >- ghost7 > >- Amar & Samba > > >Visual Performers > > >- Ms. Pinky > >- Mobius > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 01:38:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j465aes25218; Fri, 6 May 2005 01:36:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 01:36:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c551fd$7608ef80$7928d40a@h3g.it> From: "Giorgio Robino" To: References: Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 07:35:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C5520E.38C19E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C5520E.38C19E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?Hi Jeremy, do you mean the Boss VF-1 ? I thank you but first of all I think this is out-of-production ... so = why not the beloved GP-100. Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that I cun found in = Italy. =20 second point, I decided to not buy no mroe nothing from Boss - Roland = because an ideological personal point: they apply a awful marketing = policy with price very high and .. in my opinion ... device without = personality :) sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to you ... but I hate the fact that Boss = make so terrible devices (In application sw for umiscians I mean), also = with the having the COSM technology that I think is good .... marketing startegy ...=20 all for the massess=20 stomb-box for rockers :) thank you giorgio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jeremy=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 15:41 Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with it's own delay and = pan setting. I'm not sure if the manual is available on line. Do loads = of other stuff too - very reasonable price if you can still get them.=20 Jeremy Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices 1. possibly software solution I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for = cost saving=20 (my budget is low). I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in = real-time=20 possibly as *standalone* program; I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not = have/know. In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a = freeware VST=20 host tool, but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. 2. hardware solution Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay = fractalization I=20 have in mind. many thanks / giorgio http://solyaris.altervista.org=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C5520E.38C19E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?
Hi Jeremy,
do you mean the Boss VF-1 = ?
I thank you but first  of = all I=20 think this is out-of-production ... so why not the beloved = GP-100.
Obviously I'm askiing for something = in=20 production that I cun found in Italy.
 
second point, I decided to not buy = no mroe=20 nothing from Boss - Roland because an ideological personal point: they = apply a=20 awful marketing policy with price very high and .. in my opinion ... = device=20 without personality :)
 
sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to = you ... but=20 I hate the fact that Boss make so terrible devices (In application sw = for=20 umiscians I mean), also with the having the COSM technology that I = think is=20 good ....
 
marketing startegy ... =
all for the massess
stomb-box for rockers = :)
 
thank you
giorgio
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jeremy
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 = 15:41
Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: = any smart=20 idea ?

VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each = delay with=20 it=92s own delay and pan setting. I=92m not sure if the manual is = available on=20 line. Do loads of other stuff too - very reasonable price if you can = still=20 get them.

Jeremy



Hi all, Im'looking for = Multi-tap delay=20 devices

1. possibly software solution
I would prefere a = software=20 program for PC Windows, because for cost saving
(my budget is=20 low).

I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap = delays=20 in real-time
possibly as *standalone* program;
I hate VST = plug-ins=20 because thet require a VST host that I do not have/know.

In = case=20 your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a =  freeware VST=20
host tool,
but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST=20 discussion.
I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone=20 programs.

2. hardware solution
Someone may suggest any = hardware=20 device for mutitap ?
please do not suggest me usual tools used = for=20 looping;
I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex = delay=20 fractalization I
have in mind.

many thanks / = giorgio
http://solyaris.altervista.org=20





------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C5520E.38C19E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 01:40:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j465cgM25499; Fri, 6 May 2005 01:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 01:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c551fd$b4aefdb0$7928d40a@h3g.it> From: "Giorgio Robino" To: References: <588ce11d05050507096961487f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 07:37:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Simon, despite the fact that I hate VST ...:) I'll try your suggestion. thank you. giorgio http://solyaris.altervista.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 16:09 Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? > Ok, here's a possible PC VST solution that should be free and easy to use > > Free, easy to use VST host: TobyBear MiniHost: > http://www.tobybear.de/p_minihost.html > > Free multi-tap delay: Blue Multitap, part of Blue Line VST pack: > http://www.music-boss.com/freeware_plug-in_blue_line.htm > > (Just as an aside, EnergyXT's free demo would be a great host as well, > but it's probably overkill for this application). Good Luck, > > On 5/5/05, Giorgio Robino wrote: >> Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices >> >> 1. possibly software solution >> I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost >> saving >> (my budget is low). >> >> I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in real-time >> possibly as *standalone* program; >> I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not >> have/know. >> >> In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a freeware >> VST >> host tool, >> but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. >> I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. >> >> 2. hardware solution >> Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? >> please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; >> I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay fractalization >> I >> have in mind. >> >> many thanks / giorgio >> http://solyaris.altervista.org >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 03:15:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j467DZW07483; Fri, 6 May 2005 03:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 03:13:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=haqVNs9nnn5rBOKUXOwN/H/if0hwJxDOeKgoVngL+Ku3C4RcM+gQk0+vxbfGqOsBbBQU9JRdbfr8OLVJs48Na8KrRpkgRRbcf4Dm0D/Rljte01RKIZ92FbBqYkmvMKUu8khLAjO+C3uGMEnZjD/HX6Q1MGKR0G07TghHGVzx/Ss= ; Message-ID: <20050506071259.30033.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? Well then it would be fair to say that the beatles just copied the everly brothers but with different haircuts:-)there has certainly been a lot of clones but ive never heard anybody sound like page cheers Luis > > besides, what's so clever about stealing whole songs > from someone else (as page did frequently) & just > playing them with more distortion? > > it was still a good show though. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the > ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and > may also > be privileged. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 04:00:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j467u4m11373; Fri, 6 May 2005 03:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 03:56:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a201c55210$df2fe6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:54:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been reading the 'Andre appears' again thread here with interest (because I respect the hell out of Andre and think that his contribution to this community has been invaluable). Anyway, I hear that in the past Andre has not felt a sense of community or support and that Mark Sottilaro has not either. I feel sad that they don't and truly hope that people support them in the ways they should be supported (monetarily) for their contributionsa to the culture but I, myself, have come to understand that the looping community is full of musicians who have eschewed playing in bands and frequently don't feel a part of anything. Let's face it, we have a lot of folks who make a lot of music in their studios and don't take it out. I don't at all think this trend is at all universal here at Loopers Delight but it most certainly exists and it's completely okay by me. I have to say this, though, about the notion of community in the Live Looping world: There are tons of reasons for feeling cynical about the notion of community in most of western civilization (and please forgive me, Sunao, Erdem and the few others who aren't from that civilization) but my belief is that community is ultimately going to be the only way we get ourselves out of the mess that we are in ecologically, politically and spiritually on this planet. So I have to say that I feel really proud of all the people who have really worked hard and sacrificed a lot to foster community in the Live Looping movement: The Bernhard Wagners, Hans Lindauers, Peter Koniuto's, Dan Soltzbergs', Ted Killians, Scoots Galores, etc. I also feel really proud of all the live loopers who continually have played for free and travelled long distances on their own dimes to play the Loopstocks and the Y2K4s and the Berlin LiveLooping Festival and the Firenze Looping Festival and the Cambridge Looping Festivals and the Swedish Looping tours and the Bass Looping Tours, etc., etc., etc. We had 50 artists from 5 countries in 4 days in 2 cities last October for Y2K4. Everyone came and played for free and anyone who was here had a hell of a time, hanging out; trading secrets, jamming, drinking beer and eating. It sure as hell felt like a community to me. If there are many people on this list who don't want to feel a part of that, I understand completely. I think Andre and Mark have really cogent and valid reasons for feeling the ways that they do about a 'community' of live loopers but to claim it doesn't exist just really misses the mark (pardon the pun, senor Sottilaro) Making a community takes a committment on the part of everyone. The more energy one committs the greater the payback. That's the truth, so................. Come play Y2K5 or come watch it and hang out and meet some great people who do what you love to do: LOOP!!!! yours, sincerely , Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 04:36:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j468Yd517010; Fri, 6 May 2005 04:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 04:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:38:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198217143_122880" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <9tVWFD.A.AIE.dvyeCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198217143_122880 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Hi Giorgio,=20 >=20 > Yes the Boss VF-1 which is at the end of it=B9s production run. I bought my= last > one just about a year ago for GBP 189 (about 300 Euro) from Turnkey > There may be other pan Euopean sellers such as > Thomann in Germany. If there are any still around you=B9d get a bargain now= . >=20 > Yes Roland Boss can sound characterless with all the risk and rough edges > removed. The operating systems seem to have certain decisions taken for y= ou, > like having a Nanny in the box! >=20 > The VF-1 were an agreeable surprise. I have found the the little VF-1s us= eful > toolboxes and an affordable successor to the old SE70 that everyone was a= sking > such silly money for a while back. Perhaps I=B9ll get an Eventide one day. >=20 > Strong points are: that you can control four parameters per patch over mi= di, > sync to midi clock and program everything in a lot of detail so these thi= ngs > sound very personal. These sound like me me me ! >=20 > I=B9m not using it for the amp simulations that much =AD I=B9ve got good channe= l > strips for that. You=B9d need to canvas opinion from other users on the lis= t if > this was important. >=20 > Anyway best of luck in your search. >=20 > Jeremy >=20 >=20 > http://www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Jeremy, >> do you mean the Boss VF-1 ? >> I thank you but first of all I think this is out-of-production ... so w= hy >> not the beloved GP-100. >> Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that I cun found in It= aly. >> =20 >> second point, I decided to not buy no mroe nothing from Boss - Roland be= cause >> an ideological personal point: they apply a awful marketing policy with = price >> very high and .. in my opinion ... device without personality :) >> =20 >> sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to you ... but I hate the fact that Boss = make >> so terrible devices (In application sw for umiscians I mean), also with = the >> having the COSM technology that I think is good .... >> =20 >> marketing startegy ... >> all for the massess >> stomb-box for rockers :) >> =20 >> thank you >> giorgio >> =20 >>> =20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> =20 >>> From: jeremy >>> =20 >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> =20 >>> Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 15:41 >>> =20 >>> Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>> VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with it=B9s own delay and p= an >>>> setting. I=B9m not sure if the manual is available on line. Do loads of >>>> other stuff too - very reasonable price if you can still get them. >>>>=20 >>>> Jeremy >>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1. possibly software solution >>>>> I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost >>>>> saving=20 >>>>> (my budget is low). >>>>>=20 >>>>> I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in real= -time >>>>> possibly as *standalone* program; >>>>> I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not >>>>> have/know. >>>>>=20 >>>>> In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a freewa= re >>>>> VST =20 >>>>> host tool, >>>>> but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. >>>>> I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 2. hardware solution >>>>> Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? >>>>> please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; >>>>> I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay fractaliz= ation >>>>> I=20 >>>>> have in mind. >>>>>=20 >>>>> many thanks / giorgio >>>>> http://solyaris.altervista.org >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --B_3198217143_122880 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?
Hi Giorgio,

Yes the Boss VF-1 which is at the end of it’s production run. I bough= t my last one just about a year ago for GBP 189 (about 300 Euro) from Turnke= y  <http://www.turnkey.co.uk><= /a> There may be other pan Euopean sellers such as Thomann in Germany. If th= ere are any still around you’d get a bargain now.

Yes Roland Boss can sound characterless with all the risk and rough edges r= emoved. The operating systems seem to have certain decisions taken for you, = like having a Nanny in the box!

The VF-1 were an agreeable surprise. I have found the the little VF-1s usef= ul toolboxes and an affordable successor to the old SE70 that everyone was a= sking such silly money for a while back. Perhaps I’ll get an Eventide = one day.

Strong points are: that you can control four parameters per patch over midi= , sync to midi clock and program everything in a lot of detail so these thin= gs sound very personal. These sound like me me me !

I’m not using it for the amp simulations that much – I’ve= got good channel strips for that. You’d need to canvas opinion from o= ther users on the list if this was important.

Anyway best of luck in your search.

Jeremy


http://www.masse.org.uk









Hi Jeremy,
do you mean the Boss VF-1 ?
I thank you but first  of all I think this is out-of-production ... so= why not the beloved GP-100.
Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that I cun found in Italy= .
 
second point, I decided to not buy no mroe nothing from Boss - Roland becau= se an ideological personal point: they apply a awful marketing policy with p= rice very high and .. in my opinion ... device without personality :)
 
sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to you ... but I hate the fact that Boss mak= e so terrible devices (In application sw for umiscians I mean), also with th= e having the COSM technology that I think is good ....
 
marketing startegy ...
all for the massess
stomb-box for rockers :)
 
thank you
giorgio
 

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  jeremy <= ;mailto:listing.to.port@masse.org.uk>  
 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
 
Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 15:41
 
Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart  idea ?
 

 
<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'>VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay wi= th  it’s own delay and pan setting. I’m not sure if the man= ual is available on  line. Do loads of other stuff too - very reasonabl= e price if you can still  get them.

Jeremy
<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'>


Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay  devices

1. possibly software solution
I would prefere a software  program for PC Windows, because for cost s= aving
(my budget is  low).

I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays  in real-= time
possibly as *standalone* program;
I hate VST plug-ins  because thet require a VST host that I do not hav= e/know.

In case  your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a  fr= eeware VST  
host tool,
but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST  discussion.
I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone  programs.

2. hardware solution
Someone may suggest any hardware  device for mutitap ?
please do not suggest me usual tools used for  looping;
I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay  fractaliza= tion I
have in mind.

many thanks / giorgio
http://solyaris.altervista.org=  








 --B_3198217143_122880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 05:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j469DZf22292; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 05:13:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Mr4gtikMr5xrxdges23yAr0o8cCgpc0ZKJOl6vUrcB+AnLx4FXtYHyW/uqBqxSoYsN76bXERjcWEZyIpvgKr1gDlyfZkdEm6PjQLp1pFc4eGNfNBduMMNrqEMbH9yKcngrTUY/9TMtVectA8LidVIaVGV+57cSf87upiI88W/dU= ; Message-ID: <20050506091310.80454.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 02:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Now that's scary To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wasn't it Barry Manilow? --- Per Boysen wrote: > On May 5, 2005, at 11:41, samba - wrote: > > > When Ozzy Osbourne left Black Sabbath in 1979, > Michael Bolton was > > considered a possible replacement. > > WHAT!? That sounds very strange. Are you sure? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > www.luis-angulo.com Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 05:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j469R3Q23810; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 05:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BYocwL5mNOdTxNU3ibR9mSY+0hGBVvu36KXOIrIpET+ZxtIfe+AvCGLkKb4qG59zdkLCAEMruwZ7bNcrxx8Fp50eq2yEULLyZYAsU9oPGv2I/ZW6BKbOqMIVnx/eQHw8dS0Y6UkRZAyEY6gkXqjMImjygPdbLs+BT1L6XWYS1G8= ; Message-ID: <20050506092642.65346.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 02:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No doubt but even though this english cats didnt give their mentors credit all of the sudden the "devils music" ironically became discovered in america and better accepted. Luis --- samba - wrote: > Page ripped off Beck? C'mon,all the English guitar > heros got most of their > ideas from black bluesman from the US. Clapton > usually sounded like Freddie > King but he played an Albert King thing pretty much > note for note on Strange > Brew. Then covered Born under abad sign so Albert > could get some royalties. > nd started hireing Freddy to open ,to try and pay > him back.Page sounds like > he heard alot of Earl Hooker. Zep never really gave > credit for lyrics and > riffs from blues tunes,and they didn't really hire > people to open to try and > expose them to audience like other groups did.I > The english guys could play and did creative > thing sand brought modern > production values to the blues, but in guitar hero > days, guys like Luther > Allison ,Magic Sam and Buddy Guy could out play all > the English cats > ,including Beck who for my money wasn't much of a > blues player though he > was good at rave ups,-didn't get interesting until > fusion. I like Peter > Green the best of th english blues players,but take > wy the BB King > licks,and you still have real feeling ,genuine > soul,but not too much musical > vocabulary. > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 05:30:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j469POQ23623; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:25:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 05:25:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050506095950.02ba0a40@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:23:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Andre appears again In-Reply-To: <200505060115.j461Fln17578@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505060115.j461Fln17578@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark said >Giving away your secrets for free tells >people the time you spent discovering your secrets was >worthless. Thanks Mark, ...I didn't know that :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 06:18:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46AFjU00502; Fri, 6 May 2005 06:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.204.130] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050506071259.30033.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: was Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 03:14:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 10:14:28.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[631ECB70:01C55224] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the Bealtles very clearly copied the Everly Bros,and Little Richard and Carl Perkins and Gene Vincent and Holland Dozier and Holland,and Buck Owens and Stockhausen and every thing else they liked. But when they covered the Isley bros ,or the Miracles they credited the writers and paid the royalties. Oddly enough you can't copyright style or ,instrumentation,or rhythm ,tones ,timbres, textures or timing ,or dynamics. You can only own sequences of notes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 06:47:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46AjSc04406; Fri, 6 May 2005 06:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.204.130] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050506092642.65346.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 03:45:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 10:45:03.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8E35F50:01C55228] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com British bands definately brought black (and white) american roots music to the throbbing suburban teenybopper masses-but Elvis and Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash and Chuck Berry,and Link Wray did it first,and inspired the English cats. People like Fahey and Harry Smith and the Seeger family and the whole folk revival of the 50s and early 60s is part of why US blues records were even getting to England.I grew up in D.C. and heard people like Ray Charles, BB King, Bo Diddly ,Louis Jordan etc on the radio before the Beatles came to the US. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 06:57:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46AuOL05703; Fri, 6 May 2005 06:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.204.130] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Real Looping Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 03:55:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 10:55:53.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C89F570:01C5522A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kraig Grady ,a very Creative composer instrument builder,microtonalist who's name I've started to see on the same bills as Terry Riley and Lou Harrison reccomended Joseph Hammer as the best looper he's heard-Hammer is using actual tape loops- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 07:43:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46BgFH12523; Fri, 6 May 2005 07:42:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 07:42:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:47:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Andre appears again From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050506095950.02ba0a40@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198228425_140941" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198228425_140941 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Mark said >> >Giving away your secrets for free tells >> >people the time you spent discovering your secrets was >> >worthless. > > Thanks Mark, > ...I didn't know that :-) > > > andy butler > > This whole website is full of secrets given for free. --B_3198228425_140941 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Andre appears again
Mark said
>Giving away your secrets for free tells
>people the time you spent discovering your secrets was
>worthless.

Thanks Mark,
...I didn't know that :-)


andy butler


This whole website is full of secrets = given for free.

--B_3198228425_140941-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 09:53:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46DoNx31638; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sZIZTTr0A41iKr3ADGY5WbAraflKeVkEv+K37WYUpRh6MX4zjBti6ikCu14FLX6LzQ6+INK9A5Vx+22eypgSUNwWjUBw5FaZM5qFKEyO7PJL2S2dim+08g6eYAQ+rKiJrqa4kxNV7c5kTKiOIXFrAun2G9eSYvAy6Nf2UWWNoy0= ; Message-ID: <20050506134939.48866.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Now that's scary To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, it makes sense that it would be Bolton. In 1979, Bolton had not yet begun to inflict MOR blue-eyed pabulum on the masses at the level to which he was guilty later, and very probably still considered himself to be a rockin' dude. Even after his ascent to the public ear, he was still sportin' the 'do for a few years, albeit mulletified for commercial viability. His approach to vocals/stage presence (testosterone angst, the straining for notes as if severely constipated, the throbbing forehead veins that one could virtually HEAR in his vocal delivery) very likely had roots of a more metallic sort. I think he even wrote songs with Paul Stanley of Kiss. The part that came as a surprise to me is that Bolton, Ozzy and/or Sabbath have/had a connection to looping. I mean, they MUST, since we're discussing them here, right? :P -t- --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > wasn't it Barry Manilow? > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > On May 5, 2005, at 11:41, samba - wrote: > > > > > When Ozzy Osbourne left Black Sabbath in 1979, > > Michael Bolton was > > > considered a possible replacement. > > > > WHAT!? That sounds very strange. Are you sure? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 11:55:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Fi6k17416; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6666966.1115394049323.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:40:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The difference is that the Fab Four never earned Pagey's reputation as a plagiarist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Beatles never pretended to have written someone else's song (e.g., they never pretended that "Act Naturally" was by anybody but Carl Perkins), whereas Page stole the whole of "Dazed and Confused" from Jake Holmes, not even changing the title, and also lifted the "A" section of Randy California's "Taurus" for "Stairway to Heaven." (Randy laughed it off magnanimously and said "fine, let him have it.") Don't get me wrong, I revere Page; he will always be in my pantheon as a brilliant guitarist, producer, and, yes, a composer, which makes it hard for me to understand why he would be insecure enough to nick other people's songs. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: "L. Angulo" Sent: May 6, 2005 3:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Really? Well then it would be fair to say that the beatles just copied the everly brothers but with different haircuts:-)there has certainly been a lot of clones but ive never heard anybody sound like page cheers Luis > > besides, what's so clever about stealing whole songs > from someone else (as page did frequently) & just > playing them with more distortion? > > it was still a good show though. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the > ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and > may also > be privileged. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 12:02:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46FrYM18364; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1664320.1115394613376.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:50:13 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. Well put Tim. -----Original Message----- From: mungenast@earthlink.net Sent: May 6, 2005 9:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") The difference is that the Fab Four never earned Pagey's reputation as a plagiarist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Beatles never pretended to have written someone else's song (e.g., they never pretended that "Act Naturally" was by anybody but Carl Perkins), whereas Page stole the whole of "Dazed and Confused" from Jake Holmes, not even changing the title, and also lifted the "A" section of Randy California's "Taurus" for "Stairway to Heaven." (Randy laughed it off magnanimously and said "fine, let him have it.") Don't get me wrong, I revere Page; he will always be in my pantheon as a brilliant guitarist, producer, and, yes, a composer, which makes it hard for me to understand why he would be insecure enough to nick other people's songs. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: "L. Angulo" Sent: May 6, 2005 3:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Really? Well then it would be fair to say that the beatles just copied the everly brothers but with different haircuts:-)there has certainly been a lot of clones but ive never heard anybody sound like page cheers Luis > > besides, what's so clever about stealing whole songs > from someone else (as page did frequently) & just > playing them with more distortion? > > it was still a good show though. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the > ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and > may also > be privileged. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 12:04:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46G1N221042; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:01:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c55254$b15511c0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200505060538.j465cIe25430@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: New Toys, New Noise Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:52:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <26Yfd.A.XGF.RS5eCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got some ModFX (Bitrman and Philtre) and an RC20XL to add to the pile'o'noizemakers and they are in here... somewhere... www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/DreamWithNoSleepingImprov1.mp3 All 'live' in the studio, no overdubs, etc. Comments welcome as always. Enjoy, Tony np: Primus - Pork Soda From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 12:06:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Fuoi19131; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8635862.1115394826411.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:53:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VF-1 Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?
Because I'm relatively old-school, there's one thing that makes m= e nuts about my feature-packed VF-1, which I am only recently coming to kno= w and love: I cannot find any button for effect in/out.
 
I have another Boss half-rack (the much older RPS-10), and this worthy= device has a handy front-panel bypass pushbutton. (say that four times rea= l fast, everybody!!!!)
 
Maybe I'm dense, but I cannot find anything like that on the VF-1. I d= id buy a nice cheap Rolls MidiBuddy to control the VF-1, and maybe som= eday I will have time to figure it out, but I feel I should have the option= of just bypassing the lil' red box with the press of an easily-a= ccessed button. Guess it's my stompbox background ;-)
~Tim
 


-----Original Message-----
From: jeremy
Sent: May 6, 2005 4:38 AM
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?
Hi Giorgio,

Yes the Boss VF-1 which is at the end of it= =92s production run. I bought my last one just about a year ago for GBP 189= (about 300 Euro) from Turnkey  &= lt;http://www.turnkey.co.uk> There may be other pan Euopean sellers = such as Thomann in Germany. If there are any still around you=92d get a bar= gain now.

Yes Roland Boss can sound characterless with all the risk= and rough edges removed. The operating systems seem to have certain decisi= ons taken for you, like having a Nanny in the box!

The VF-1 were an= agreeable surprise. I have found the the little VF-1s useful toolboxes and= an affordable successor to the old SE70 that everyone was asking such sill= y money for a while back. Perhaps I=92ll get an Eventide one day.

St= rong points are: that you can control four parameters per patch over midi, = sync to midi clock and program everything in a lot of detail so these thing= s sound very personal. These sound like me me me !

I=92m not using i= t for the amp simulations that much =96 I=92ve got good channel strips for = that. You=92d need to canvas opinion from other users on the list if this w= as important.

Anyway best of luck in your search.

Jeremy

http://www.masse.org.uk


Hi Jeremy,
do you mean the Boss VF-1 ?
I thank you = but first  of all I think this is out-of-production ... so why not the= beloved GP-100.
Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that = I cun found in Italy.
 
second point, I decided to not buy no mr= oe nothing from Boss - Roland because an ideological personal point: they a= pply a awful marketing policy with price very high and .. in my opinion ...= device without personality :)
 
sorry, I don't wnat to dispute = to you ... but I hate the fact that Boss make so terrible devices (In appli= cation sw for umiscians I mean), also with the having the COSM technology t= hat I think is good ....
 
marketing startegy ...
all for th= e massess
stomb-box for rockers :)
 
thank you
giorgio 

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  = ;jeremy <mailto:listing.= to.port@masse.org.uk>  
 
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com  
 
Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 200= 5 15:41
 
Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart  i= dea ?
 

 
VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with  = ;it=92s own delay and pan setting. I=92m not sure if the manual is availabl= e on  line. Do loads of other stuff too - very reasonable price if you= can still  get them.

Jeremy

=



Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay &nb= sp;devices

1. possibly software solution
I would prefere a softwa= re  program for PC Windows, because for cost saving
(my budget is =  low).

I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap de= lays  in real-time
possibly as *standalone* program;
I hate VST= plug-ins  because thet require a VST host that I do not have/know.
In case  your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a &nb= sp;freeware VST  
host tool,
but plese do not trasform this thre= ad in a VST  discussion.
I don't love to talk about VST; I like sta= ndalone  programs.

2. hardware solution
Someone may suggest = any hardware  device for mutitap ?
please do not suggest me usual t= ools used for  looping;
I do not believe tha t they are suitable fo= r complex delay  fractalization I
have in mind.

many thanks= / giorgio
http://solyaris.al= tervista.org  






<= /SPAN>


 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 12:07:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46G0ga20977; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:00:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: SF Gig Spam: Looped Cello, May 11th at the Great American Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:59:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <7AE92D.A.BHF.VS5eCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopy loops, I'm playing a looped cello (Repeater + Ableton Live) set at the Great American Music Hall on May 11th. I'll play at 8pm, then disappear for a costume change and return at 10:00pm to play in Rasputina. Wed, May 11th Great American Music Hall 859 O'Farrell Street, San Francisco doors at 7pm looped cello at 8pm hazard county girls at 9pm rock n roll cello at 10pm $15 more info: http://www.gamh.com/artist_pages/rasputina_051105.html Thank you very much! best, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 13:11:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46H51g00675; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <005601c55254$b15511c0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> References: <200505060538.j465cIe25430@hemlock.violacea.com> <005601c55254$b15511c0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <81015324-B68A-4570-9521-1C74E1EB452F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Toys, New Noise Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:04:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com May 6, 2005 kl. 17:52 skrev Tony K: > Got some ModFX (Bitrman and Philtre) and an RC20XL to add to the > pile'o'noizemakers and they are in here... somewhere... > > www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/DreamWithNoSleepingImprov1.mp3 Fascinating noise! I like the aggressive undertones. A huge sound. When I cranked up the volume and left for my nearby kitchen to make some coffe my livingroom sounded like a cathedral on a distance ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 13:24:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46HFw802013; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:15:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:15:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EckrSt6X9Tta18UO01uo0e6xeTtV6Jmmx3Dx3IWWp1Oaf9Z2c0jzy8V5TFWQg63bJbg+aFesjtlOnplZn+cmkVFMSA+eNrDFx6zqJOkiROAyBgHEM++g7YYaoAckMjEj7lYTZgDs/hAetMD3ptKsWxVbvpPgg/GW7B0adkk3ffE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:14:08 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality In-Reply-To: <01a201c55210$df2fe6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <01a201c55210$df2fe6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j46HFXx01930 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, what is a "community"? On 5/6/05, loop.pool wrote: > I've been reading the 'Andre appears' again thread here with interest > (because I respect the hell out of Andre and think that his contribution to > this community has been invaluable). > > Anyway, I hear that in the past Andre has not felt a sense of community or > support and that > Mark Sottilaro has not either. I feel sad that they don't and truly > hope that people support them > in the ways they should be supported (monetarily) for their contributionsa > to the culture > but I, myself, have come to understand that the looping community is full of > musicians who have eschewed > playing in bands and frequently don't feel a part of anything. Let's face > it, we have a lot of folks who > make a lot of music in their studios and don't take it out. I don't at all > think this trend is at all universal > here at Loopers Delight but it most certainly exists and it's completely > okay by me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 13:39:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46HXpd04659; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050506173311.5520.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New Toys, New Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3zuoFD.A.yHB.cp6eCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really liked it, although the "pan pipe" synth kind of ruined it for me. Not sure why but pan pipe sounds totally bug me... they scream "New age" Other than that, really nice. Very Namlook/Laswellesque. Mark --- Tony K wrote: > Got some ModFX (Bitrman and Philtre) and an RC20XL > to add to the > pile'o'noizemakers and they are in here... > somewhere... > > www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/DreamWithNoSleepingImprov1.mp3 > > All 'live' in the studio, no overdubs, etc. > > Comments welcome as always. > > Enjoy, > > Tony > > np: Primus - Pork Soda > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 13:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Hg2706464; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.5f5bac4a.2fad062a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:40:58 EDT Subject: Re: New Toys, New Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9d.5f5bac4a.2fad062a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9d.5f5bac4a.2fad062a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good stuff! I'm listening to it right now and am really liking what I am hearing even more as the track gets weirder and weirder as it progresses. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_9d.5f5bac4a.2fad062a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good stuff!

I'm listening to it right now and am really liking what I am hearing
even more as the track gets weirder and weirder as it progresses.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_9d.5f5bac4a.2fad062a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 13:49:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Hh3i06692; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:43:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.205.223] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:42:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 17:42:41.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[00B614E0:01C55263] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A community is a group of organisms that coalesce around something they have in common.It could be a nutrient stream,a water hole,a protectable place to raise young,a village adjacent to feilds to graze the flocks,which was called the commons,etc. Modern humans in industrialized countries form communities around commmon interetsts,rather than survival needs-though maybe socialization is a survival need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 13:56:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46HpYj08785; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:51:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c6vkfnMjQR/XHQWZJYXaj2z/aw0QyBJin5u91wA0kwPgnKGnea6kw+tC982dymPOoRaAgJTmF5kFYNVuF98DZ8dTQHdO5Ci+BDFaE/aBIP9FM4JKSArA5domXaSZwIt2RzzJaChxbsP6vTC0ChdPz7S4chONm6D1rkvLezStylE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:51:03 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j46Hp8x08669 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then there must be some disagreement over what the hypothetical live looping community has in common, because it's got to be more than "A bunch of people who use a looping device to make music". Essentially everyone on this list fits that criteria, but the idea of "community" isn't universally accepted. On 5/6/05, samba - wrote: > A community is a group of organisms that coalesce around something they > have in common.It could be a nutrient stream,a water hole,a protectable > place to raise young,a village adjacent to feilds to graze the flocks,which > was called the commons,etc. Modern humans in industrialized countries form > communities around commmon interetsts,rather than survival needs-though > maybe socialization is a survival need. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Hw8W10086; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:58:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:58:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.12be7636.2fad09e8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:56:56 EDT Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community (Rick Walker) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.12be7636.2fad09e8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <1FG8jD.A.CbC.v_6eCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13d.12be7636.2fad09e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahem, 'Cause maybe I may have forgotten to mention it lately. I appreciate Mr. Rick Walker a whole damn bunch for his=20 encouragement of music (mine, and just about everybody=20 else's) -- for his tireless promotion of "live looping" as=20 a way of making (and marketing) a vast assortment of=20 musical activities, approaches and styles -- and for his totally committed and utterly sincere promotion of the concept of "community" (in this forum and beyond) in nearly as ego-free a manner as anyone I know. Plus he's a heck of a musician. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_13d.12be7636.2fad09e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahem,

'Cause maybe I may have forgotten to mention it lately.
I appreciate Mr. Rick Walker a whole damn bunch for his
encouragement of music (mine, and just about everybody
else's) -- for his tireless promotion of "live looping" as
a way of making (and marketing) a vast assortment of
musical activities, approaches and styles -- and for his
totally committed and utterly sincere promotion of the
concept of "community" (in this forum and beyond) in
nearly as ego-free a manner as anyone I know. Plus
he's a heck of a musician.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_13d.12be7636.2fad09e8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:08:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Ht1209471; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.205.223] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6666966.1115394049323.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Beatles pagierism #9 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:54:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 17:54:39.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC9F1080:01C55264] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course the Beatles did do looping, ( number 9 number 9)and to bring this one around-how much of a sample ,how many notes ,or how recognizable does it have to be for the law to say you owe royalties.I know the Beastie boys were sued by Jazz flutist James Newton for building a whole piece around 3 notes of his.I thought the 3 notes were a recognizable theme and that they should have just paid the 3 cents per play or whatever it would have been. I wouldn't hav ethough it mattered so much if they weren't making money,and I think the whole Plunderphonics/negativeland thing has a valid point.At some level the only intellectual property is that which you keep in yr own head. Once you let it out ,it's in the air promicuousey mixing with other ideas,and multiplying shamelessly.But I want to make money from my own work too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:10:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Hsdt09348; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050506175416.53306.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <427A667A.00006F.03588@A7V266E-XP-USER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1643331394-1115402056=:53241" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1643331394-1115402056=:53241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline No, not all. I lobbied hard for LD to be moderated. While this wouldn't eliminate noise all together, it would sure increase our dynamic range. Kim was emphatic and said no. I actually tried to get a looping music group started using tribe.net, but me and Rick Walker were the only ones who ever posted. So here we are. Mark --- Sony Felberg wrote: > > I agree....just use the delete key as a filter. > All group lists have noise...I appreciate all the > helpful > people. > > > > > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: 5/5/2005 11:27:39 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Andre appears again > > See what I mean? ;) > > --- Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > Nah. > > And the idea of "secrets" in music is highly > > overrated. > > > > On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro > > wrote: > > > Giving away your secrets for free tells > > > people the time you spent discovering your > secrets > > was > > > worthless. > > > > > --0-1643331394-1115402056=:53241-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46I58o13334; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:05:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:05:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050506180426.83656.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't say that the compensation had to me money. I think Andre put a lot of time and effort into spreading the EDP word and got little kudos and less cash. Call me a capitalist or a Darwinist, but that kind of thing can only go so long before the person is forced to, as Andre did, move on. Mark --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > As for this comment: > > > On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > Giving away your secrets for free tells > > people the time you spent discovering your > secrets was > > worthless. > > I don't know the poster well enough to understand > what he is trying to > say, but taken literally this is frogwash. How many > of you have ever > used a free VST plugin? Or a web browser? I'm > grateful the open > source community doesn't believe this. > > Ooooh, was that "backlash"? Amateurs. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:25:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46IIGl15577; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050506181707.6157.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I appreciate a nice blend of light and dark. I have actual little faith in humanity. A few good friends get me by and I've developed the ability to see beauty in dissonance and humor in stupidity. Most people are like sheep. It's always been that way. I like you though. Mark --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Mark - > > This posting of yours has some very cynical moments. > I hope there is more > sunshine in your day to day. > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:49:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Ia1h18267; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:36:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:36:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c5526a$65762620$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:35:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 18:42 PM Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality > A community is a group of organisms that coalesce around something they > have in common.It could be a nutrient stream,a water hole,a protectable > place to raise young,a village adjacent to feilds to graze the > flocks,which was called the commons,etc. Modern humans in industrialized > countries form communities around commmon interetsts,rather than survival > needs-though maybe socialization is a survival need. "...she looked at me like I wuz some kinda bug!" - Marlon Brando in "On the Waterfront" :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:49:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46IeaE18861; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050506183940.92577.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't feel sad or sorry for me. I am part of a community of really good people I've met out here in the SF Bay area. I just think that a community that's web based isn't the same because you have this degree of anonymity that you don't get when you're physically with people in your community. I remember being at a festival in Ithaca, NY and a small child asked my girlfriend and I for help building stilts (part of a plan for a man to cause mass injuries by giving wood and hammers to small children so they can try to walk on home made stilts). The little girl's mother saw this and came over and nervously apologized but then I saw she recognized me. I was the sock store manager. I walked around Ithaca all the time. I was the guy in that weird band. I was the guy who had coffee all the time with my friends at the local cafes. She ended up asking if we wouldn't mind watching her 4 year old for a bit while she took her 2 year old to the petting zoo. We did and it was a blast. I was pretty good on the stilts too. The point is that I was a part of a community where I couldn't yell "FIRE" in a theater and not suffer. On the Internet, you can do that and people do all the time. It's fine, it's just not the same. Again a strong leader/moderator would help, IMO, but that person hasn't posted in a long time either and has expressed that he by all means dose not want to be that or have that at all on this list. So a community where no one is accountable for anything... just doesn't feel like a community to me. Just a bunch of people talking about roughly the same thing. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 14:55:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Inex20135; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050506184859.95333.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: VF-1 Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pressing in the left knob puts the unit in bypass when you're in the top level of the menu. Pusing it while in edit mode will bypass what ever effect you've got selected. Mark --- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: --------------------------------- Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?Because I'm relatively old-school, there's one thing that makes me nuts about my feature-packed VF-1, which I am only recently coming to know and love: I cannot find any button for effect in/out. I have another Boss half-rack (the much older RPS-10), and this worthy device has a handy front-panel bypass pushbutton. (say that four times real fast, everybody!!!!) Maybe I'm dense, but I cannot find anything like that on the VF-1. I did buy a nice cheap Rolls MidiBuddy to control the VF-1, and maybe someday I will have time to figure it out, but I feel I should have the option of just bypassing the lil' red box with the press of an easily-accessed button. Guess it's my stompbox background ;-) ~Tim www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat www.myspace.com/timmungenast -----Original Message----- From: jeremy Sent: May 6, 2005 4:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? Hi Giorgio, Yes the Boss VF-1 which is at the end of it’s production run. I bought my last one just about a year ago for GBP 189 (about 300 Euro) from Turnkey There may be other pan Euopean sellers such as Thomann in Germany. If there are any still around you’d get a bargain now. Yes Roland Boss can sound characterless with all the risk and rough edges removed. The operating systems seem to have certain decisions taken for you, like having a Nanny in the box! The VF-1 were an agreeable surprise. I have found the the little VF-1s useful toolboxes and an affordable successor to the old SE70 that everyone was asking such silly money for a while back. Perhaps I’ll get an Eventide one day. Strong points are: that you can control four parameters per patch over midi, sync to midi clock and program everything in a lot of detail so these things sound very personal. These sound like me me me ! I’m not using it for the amp simulations that much – I’ve got good channel strips for that. You’d need to canvas opinion from other users on the list if this was important. Anyway best of luck in your search. Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk Hi Jeremy, do you mean the Boss VF-1 ? I thank you but first of all I think this is out-of-production ... so why not the beloved GP-100. Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that I cun found in Italy. second point, I decided to not buy no mroe nothing from Boss - Roland because an ideological personal point: they apply a awful marketing policy with price very high and .. in my opinion ... device without personality :) sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to you ... but I hate the fact that Boss make so terrible devices (In application sw for umiscians I mean), also with the having the COSM technology that I think is good .... marketing startegy ... all for the massess stomb-box for rockers :) thank you giorgio ----- Original Message ----- From: jeremy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 15:41 Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with it’s own delay and pan setting. I’m not sure if the manual is available on line. Do loads of other stuff too - very reasonable price if you can still get them. Jeremy Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices 1. possibly software solution I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost saving (my budget is low). I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in real-time possibly as *standalone* program; I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not have/know. In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a freeware VST host tool, but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. 2. hardware solution Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay fractalization I have in mind. many thanks / giorgio http://solyaris.altervista.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 15:08:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46J2Eg23223; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:02:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:02:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c5526e$0c0d8520$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050506173311.5520.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New Toys, New Noise Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:52:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <5KE_XC.A.UmF.a87eCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I really liked it, although the "pan pipe" synth kind > of ruined it for me. Not sure why but pan pipe sounds > totally bug me... they scream "New age" For some reason, I gravitate to that pan-pipe patch. I'm going to have to modify it... Behold The Pan-Pipes of Death! YEAH! Some of what sounds like the pan-pipe, isn't. It's guitar through an RP2000 with some funky eq on it. But, some of it is. :) I really need to spend some more time mucking with the patches, it's been so much fun twiddling knobs and working on the routing from hell with all these toys. Next up is routing the loopy bits though a vocoder triggered with a mandolin... wheeeee. > Other than that, really nice. Very > Namlook/Laswellesque. Hmm.. Haven't heard them. I'm surfing around listening to some clips. Sounds like good company to be in. Oddly enough, most of what I listen to on a regular basis isn't loop/ambient/soundscapey stuff. I go for progressive/metal/rock. Thanks for listening, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 15:24:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46JJjV25828; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:19:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 May 2005 19:17:41 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:17:41 -0500 Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality X-Originating-Ip: 67.169.60.233 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050506191741.BC36FCA077@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j46JHlx25211 Resent-Message-ID: <8SDn7D.A.OKG.cL8eCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy- As one who has spent half of his life alone in a room making "weird sounds" and being yelled at from another room (and even other houses from time to time) to "turn that shit down!!!!", I appreciate the "community" of loopers represented by this list. I do a lot of more mainstream songwriting as well as looping/experimental music and it has always been harder to find people who are interested in the latter (as David Byrne said: Lyrics exist to make people listen to music longer than they would otherwise). Finding this list full of people who are excited and knowledgeable about looping has been amazing. Before finding this list I was relatively unaware of what others were doing, loop-wise. Had I known of the ongoing Y2K1,2,3,4 etc., I would have been there. I look forward to the next one, and you can bet yer ass I'm gonna be there. I hope to meet some of you in person. The interactions and feedback I've received from Rick Walker, Dan Soltzberg, Berhard Wagner, etc. have been very rejuvenating to my excitement level for looping and have made me feel a part of something larger....a community perhaps? Thanks to everyone putting positive energy into this. Joe Rut lumper/splitter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:14:08 -0700 > > So, what is a "community"? > > On 5/6/05, loop.pool wrote: > > I've been reading the 'Andre appears' again thread here with interest > > (because I respect the hell out of Andre and think that his contribution to > > this community has been invaluable). > > > > Anyway, I hear that in the past Andre has not felt a sense of community or > > support and that > > Mark Sottilaro has not either. I feel sad that they don't and truly > > hope that people support them > > in the ways they should be supported (monetarily) for their contributionsa > > to the culture > > but I, myself, have come to understand that the looping community is full of > > musicians who have eschewed > > playing in bands and frequently don't feel a part of anything. Let's face > > it, we have a lot of folks who > > make a lot of music in their studios and don't take it out. I don't at all > > think this trend is at all universal > > here at Loopers Delight but it most certainly exists and it's completely > > okay by me. -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 15:26:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46JAMS24349; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <21037915.1115406454236.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:07:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Community Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would have to agree with Mark about the idea of online community vs. real community. The ones and zeros we manipulate in cyberspace don't seem to have the genuine impact that speaking into someone's life live and in their face every day. Not knowing the history of the list and being a relative newbie and mostly fulltime lurker, I am unaware of the story of moderators. How has it worked before? Most of the time, I appreciate the spirit of debate and exchange of ideas on the list. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 15:50:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46JKQ426067; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:19:56 EDT Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.4ff7395f.2fad1d5c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <8NAPYC.A.iWG.qN8eCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f7.4ff7395f.2fad1d5c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, it's a jungle out there . . . In a message dated 05/06/05 11:35:53, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > > A community is a group of organisms that coalesce around something they > > have in common. It could be a nutrient stream, a water hole,a protectabl= e > > place to raise young, a village adjacent to fields to graze the > > flocks, which was called the commons, etc. >=20 I've signed up early and often for some of the "alternative" live-looping=20 forums and stuff that Matthias Grob and others have tried to start at=20 Yahoo or Tribe.net. In them, sadly, the above "water hole" word-picture=20 tends to hold very true.=20 These groups, however well-meant and potentially well-moderated,=20 as often as not, wind up more like someone posting a "water hole" sign=20 in a seasonal dry lake bed or a desert crossroads. There is "traffic" and/or "community" only when or if there is actually water.=20 Water attracts traffic and traffic attracts traffic.=20 Like in the animal kingdom, some of us are skittish and won't appear=20 'til others already have (thereby proving it safe to drink) or we're "social" to begin with, and only go where the congregation has already=20 gathered (an unflattering "heard mentality" but a "normal" one). Bringing it all back to out little LD "community" -- like any water hole,=20 there are not only the many cautious herbivores and obvious large,=20 predatory carnivores, there are also the occasional hyenas, jackals and=20 other opportunistic scavengers and animal assassins. It might do each of us good to do a little private self-examination=20 and evaluate which sort we each tend to be (really, not just how=20 we ideally like to think of ourselves). And, if changes are in order, desirable and possible, to think about what we might do to make=20 them happen. I'm a large, dumb herbivore myself. I'm working on being less dumb and less large lately. Heheheh. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_f7.4ff7395f.2fad1d5c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, it's a jungle out there . . .

In a message dated 05/06/05 11:35:53, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes:

> A community is a=20= group of organisms that coalesce around something they
> have in common. It could be a nutrient stream, a water hole,a protectab= le
> place to raise young, a village adjacent to fields to graze the
> flocks, which was called the commons, etc.

I've signed up early and often for some of the "alternative" live-looping forums and stuff that Matthias Grob and others have tried to start at
Yahoo or Tribe.net. In them, sadly, the above "water hole" word-picture
tends to hold very true.

These groups, however well-meant and potentially well-moderated,
as often as not, wind up more like someone posting a "water hole" sign
in a seasonal dry lake bed or a desert crossroads. There is "traffic"
and/or "community" only when or if there is actually water.

Water attracts traffic and traffic attracts traffic.

Like in the animal kingdom, some of us are skittish and won't appear
'til others already have (thereby proving it safe to drink) or we're
"social" to begin with, and only go where the congregation has already
gathered (an unflattering "heard mentality" but a "normal" one).

Bringing it all back to out little LD "community" -- like any water hole, there are not only the many cautious herbivores and obvious large,
predatory carnivores, there are also the occasional hyenas, jackals and
other opportunistic scavengers and animal assassins.

It might do each of us good to do a little private self-examination
and evaluate which sort we each tend to be (really, not just how
we ideally like to think of ourselves). And, if changes are in order,
desirable and possible, to think about what we might do to make
them happen.

I'm a large, dumb herbivore myself. I'm working on being less dumb
and less large lately. Heheheh.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_f7.4ff7395f.2fad1d5c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 15:56:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46JfxD29053; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.207.216] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050506183940.92577.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:41:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 19:41:23.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[9555EC00:01C55273] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being of an anarchistic temperment,I'm sorry to hear calls for a strong leader. There certainly are big differences between virtual communities and physical ones.The sort of community feeling available in small college towns is no longer normal for modern humans.It apperas it will continue to become less so as earth gets more crowded-unlsess something drastic happens.The downside of the small town community is that one tends to get expected to continue playing ones familiar role,this is not as bad in college towns with an annual turn over of population and cultural events,in some small towns it's stifling. Online people are much freer to try out or express ideas and opinions that they might feel more cautious about in person.I think the sort of online community that has been developing here is really valuable in learning how to make technology personal.We explore( among other things) the nature of good design in this forum and designing technology well is, in my view ,crucial to our survival. As we do this in a nonhierarchic way we create more possibilites which can play out in other realms,not just artistic. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 16:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46K8Hv02522; Fri, 6 May 2005 16:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:08:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050506200718.45573.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New Toys, New Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tony K wrote: >Next up is > routing the loopy bits > though a vocoder triggered with a mandolin... > wheeeee. That sounds FUN. I used to run my drum machine through the Electrix Vocodor with great results. > > > Other than that, really nice. Very > > Namlook/Laswellesque. > > > Hmm.. Haven't heard them. I'm surfing around > listening to some clips. > Sounds like good company to be in. > Oddly enough, most of what I listen to on a regular > basis isn't > loop/ambient/soundscapey stuff. I go for > progressive/metal/rock. I started listening to progressive stuff via people like Fripp, and found Bill Laswell because he did stuff with Brian Eno (On Land). Some of his stuff (Praxis) IS totally progressive/jazz/metal. Check out the first Praxis album, I bet you'll love it. After Praxis I bought his Cymatic Scan disc and I was hooked. There's a lot of good stuff (looping and non looping) from this man. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 16:28:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46KM7Q04713; Fri, 6 May 2005 16:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:23:14 -0800 Subject: Re: Community From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21037915.1115406454236.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to quote marktwain or groucho or richie blackmore or whoever really said it: "i'd never join a group that would have the likes of me" yet here i am and i love it here @ loopersdelight. the debates the squabbles the coopermanisms the andre 2 thousand and five the walker bros...(hey i bought yer records back in the 60s!) and all the great posts and quotes and info... whats not to love? ok-back to what you were loopin staninsanfran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 16:37:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46KSUw05893; Fri, 6 May 2005 16:28:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:28:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.211] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <9d.5f5bac4a.2fad062a@aol.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pipes panned Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:27:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 20:27:51.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[135EE100:01C5527A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pan pipe synth sounds did get used to death after they showed up on dx7s. "screams new age' is an odd phrase though -bit oxymoronic. Not that I would ever criticize someones associations-I asscociate pan pipe sounds with folk music from the Andes .I like that wistfull and haunting thing,but I stay away from it on synth because some people are reminded o bad new age-or Zamfir-I never saw any of those TV ads,I don't watch tv at all, and knew Zamfir's recordings of tradtional Rumanian stuff ,which are actualyl quite good ,not like the schlock he did once he had a niche in the States From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 16:49:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Kegu07872; Fri, 6 May 2005 16:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:40:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=i01Skom2nFlxKNhZkG8SYMOlGabGaPTIfMxFDcxfbQz4l+5/IFarnlfU2gdGXvPN; Message-ID: <410-22005556204338270@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VF-1 Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:43:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94056a13f287213c532ac905e1b6b756f61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.128.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! > [Original Message] > From: mark sottilaro > To: > Date: 5/6/2005 2:49:57 PM > Subject: Re: VF-1 Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? > > Pressing in the left knob puts the unit in bypass when > you're in the top level of the menu. Pusing it while > in edit mode will bypass what ever effect you've got > selected. > > Mark > > --- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > > --------------------------------- > Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?Because I'm > relatively old-school, there's one thing that makes me > nuts about my feature-packed VF-1, which I am only > recently coming to know and love: I cannot find any > button for effect in/out. > > I have another Boss half-rack (the much older RPS-10), > and this worthy device has a handy front-panel bypass > pushbutton. (say that four times real fast, > everybody!!!!) > > Maybe I'm dense, but I cannot find anything like that > on the VF-1. I did buy a nice cheap Rolls MidiBuddy to > control the VF-1, and maybe someday I will have time > to figure it out, but I feel I should have the option > of just bypassing the lil' red box with the press of > an easily-accessed button. Guess it's my stompbox > background ;-) > ~Tim > www.mungenast.com > www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeremy > > Sent: May 6, 2005 4:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? > > > Hi Giorgio, > > Yes the Boss VF-1 which is at the end of it’s > production run. I bought my last one just about a year > ago for GBP 189 (about 300 Euro) from Turnkey > There may be other pan > Euopean sellers such as Thomann in Germany. If there > are any still around you’d get a bargain now. > > Yes Roland Boss can sound characterless with all the > risk and rough edges removed. The operating systems > seem to have certain decisions taken for you, like > having a Nanny in the box! > > The VF-1 were an agreeable surprise. I have found the > the little VF-1s useful toolboxes and an affordable > successor to the old SE70 that everyone was asking > such silly money for a while back. Perhaps I’ll get an > Eventide one day. > > Strong points are: that you can control four > parameters per patch over midi, sync to midi clock and > program everything in a lot of detail so these things > sound very personal. These sound like me me me ! > > I’m not using it for the amp simulations that much – > I’ve got good channel strips for that. You’d need to > canvas opinion from other users on the list if this > was important. > > Anyway best of luck in your search. > > Jeremy > > > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jeremy, > do you mean the Boss VF-1 ? > I thank you but first of all I think this is > out-of-production ... so why not the beloved GP-100. > Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that > I cun found in Italy. > > second point, I decided to not buy no mroe nothing > from Boss - Roland because an ideological personal > point: they apply a awful marketing policy with price > very high and .. in my opinion ... device without > personality :) > > sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to you ... but I hate > the fact that Boss make so terrible devices (In > application sw for umiscians I mean), also with the > having the COSM technology that I think is good .... > > marketing startegy ... > all for the massess > stomb-box for rockers :) > > thank you > giorgio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jeremy > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 15:41 > > Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? > > > > VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with it’s > own delay and pan setting. I’m not sure if the manual > is available on line. Do loads of other stuff too - > very reasonable price if you can still get them. > > Jeremy > > > > > Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices > > 1. possibly software solution > I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, > because for cost saving > (my budget is low). > > I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap > delays in real-time > possibly as *standalone* program; > I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host > that I do not have/know. > > In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please > suggest me a freeware VST > host tool, > but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST > discussion. > I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone > programs. > > 2. hardware solution > Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? > please do not suggest me usual tools used for > looping; > I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex > delay fractalization I > have in mind. > > many thanks / giorgio > http://solyaris.altervista.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 17:37:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46LOjo15294; Fri, 6 May 2005 17:24:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:24:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=SmIWBKVyBfMU7C/+EIycVymBxgqCnu+ZrKe4DFn2nxK5rzWdJYrsWYN4opCmEDIUqRsIYtW5av73FocOYaT6Wu04xDCVNU1slf6Bs34Q1bnHxr4+G/LZP3IqkLaS30bl1lNnQFzNUvcBmu43UYsbx2gSUA8fZ0N2S+VL5sRSl98= ; Message-ID: <20050506212418.94342.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's always gonna be some equivocation when it comes to defining stuff like this, but I think in our case it has to be extended to include things like: 1) a network to provide a greater knowledge/database both technically and technologically. 2) a support system for diseminating gig info, both for informing members of said 'community' when/where events are taking place so that members may attend, and also to assist in organizing the events in the first place. 3) a means of initial contact and subsequent communication for collaborations, both in live performance and recording projects. 4) more of a group identity as a means of feedback to the manufacturers of looping gear to reflect which features are more or less desireable in new equipment. (as we've noted before, Boss/Roland seems to be exempt from this one...) Et cetera, -t- --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Then there must be some disagreement over what the > hypothetical live > looping community has in common, because it's got to > be more than "A > bunch of people who use a looping device to make > music". Essentially > everyone on this list fits that criteria, but the > idea of "community" > isn't universally accepted. > > On 5/6/05, samba - wrote: > > A community is a group of organisms that > coalesce around something they > > have in common.It could be a nutrient stream,a > water hole,a protectable > > place to raise young,a village adjacent to feilds > to graze the flocks,which > > was called the commons,etc. Modern humans in > industrialized countries form > > communities around commmon interetsts,rather than > survival needs-though > > maybe socialization is a survival need. > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 18:02:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46Lj7Y17540; Fri, 6 May 2005 17:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:45:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PjBzInqPlBzyHAlV/z+ThosGrOHtSMLrasV/cgFlsklsM9vbJ+Qzwlm9IDbOoaoKzLj4uNPpWph3X0+Fi0LgmXHZ7l4OvZa95NlLQVQmOKPCp8XpXYYc4ZjCGjFnbDgQcLNkxAU9CK+kkWhHwkiu/Fg3VGs+wnrsUpEAt0kx09k= ; Message-ID: <20050506214442.35320.qmail@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > ...the walker bros...(hey i bought yer records back in > the 60s!) Ha, one of the very first LPs I ever owned, along with the 'Hard Days Night' soundtrack album, was by John Stewart and Scott Engel, billed as "Original members of the Walker Brothers"... I've been thinking about Mark's distinction between various levels of community, and I have to agree that in an online-based community such as this one, there is sometimes a bit of the residual 'lurker' mentality remaining even when we do go out to live events. I dunno, maybe there's an appeal to the incognito factor, but I often go to events I hear about on this list without feeling the need to make my presence known. Sometimes I'll introduce myself, sometimes not; it's not an antisocial symptom or anything. Maybe I just find it difficult to carry on a conversation in a noisy, distracting environment, or feel reluctant to bug people at gigs... Fer example, last Saturday I saw a listmember test an earlier thread about using a poorly-grounded vintage tube amplifier, and then close his set with a great original song called 'Astronomy Domine'... :) -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 18:34:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46MMI022180; Fri, 6 May 2005 18:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427BEDFD.3070607@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:21:49 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New track for ya. References: <20050505174146.65891.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050505174146.65891.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a billion Mark and Sony! Working like this is so much fun, I don't think I'll ever be able to do a track without looping something mic'd from now on! (I've secretly been working on a brown-paper-bag band, with three guys and three mics, hehe. ) It's nice to have weirdnesses like these appreciated by someone. Cheers! Andreas ------ mark sottilaro wrote: >Great track! Really inspired. > >Mark > >--- Andreas Wetterberg >wrote: > > >> >http://www.dytrych.net/upload/Machinate_-_Something_I_want.mp3 > > >>>>*Cheers* >>>> >>>>Andreas w. >>>> >>>> >>>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 19:26:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46NNUA30138; Fri, 6 May 2005 19:23:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:23:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 19:30:03 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Message-id: <000e01c55293$8a349860$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050506180426.83656.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - No to diminish the sizable and real contributions Andre has made to Loopers-Delight, and other forums where his clear talent has had an opportunity to inform and enlighten those around him, but there are lots of people who have received less kudos than they deserve. I would rather hear from Andre why he does and does not do something than read speculations from an unrequested spokesperson. If "moving on" can bring a person something he wants, I'm glad for Andre. And it's not necessarily my business to speculate as to his reasons. Please excuse my dry tone and language. It's a problem I have. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Andre appears again > I didn't say that the compensation had to me money. I > think Andre put a lot of time and effort into > spreading the EDP word and got little kudos and less > cash. Call me a capitalist or a Darwinist, but that > kind of thing can only go so long before the person is > forced to, as Andre did, move on. > > Mark > > --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > As for this comment: > > > > > On 5/5/05, mark sottilaro > > wrote: > > > Giving away your secrets for free tells > > > people the time you spent discovering your > > secrets was > > > worthless. > > > > I don't know the poster well enough to understand > > what he is trying to > > say, but taken literally this is frogwash. How many > > of you have ever > > used a free VST plugin? Or a web browser? I'm > > grateful the open > > source community doesn't believe this. > > > > Ooooh, was that "backlash"? Amateurs. > > > > Jeff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 19:27:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46NOLS30234; Fri, 6 May 2005 19:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:24:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 19:31:12 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Andre appears again To: Message-id: <001101c55293$b15476e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050506181707.6157.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glad to be liked. It's not necessary, but I appreciate it. Life is a lonely journey when we are alone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Andre appears again > I appreciate a nice blend of light and dark. I have > actual little faith in humanity. A few good friends > get me by and I've developed the ability to see beauty > in dissonance and humor in stupidity. Most people are > like sheep. It's always been that way. > > I like you though. > > Mark > > --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Mark - > > > > This posting of yours has some very cynical moments. > > I hope there is more > > sunshine in your day to day. > > > > David > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 19:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46NeFh32140; Fri, 6 May 2005 19:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:40:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ob+zuPAWfTflCg/hj4PJVGvdrR0ujJ7Of75q6CY/zgNwGSDSu33dKJIwyejxRo2GOE8geqxqjgfur2foCTZA4mtvY2GZa2zsWcHtmblPceh3IvYVbtWVkPc1CTCvpiq3QqkHRZFBR/1XOIyq+l9sLD4AsFxSc+udf6mDqusNOR4= Message-ID: <8c880ac20505061638479edbf5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:38:53 -0700 From: Matt Love Reply-To: Matt Love To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: was In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050506071259.30033.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j46Ncwx31999 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I just heard an interesting segment on NPR, about Tom Waits (successfully) suing advertisers using sound alikes. Using songs that sound similar to his songs, but not the same, the claim being they are appropriating his style, persona, sound, etc. But even more interesting was a sound alike version of Bette Midlers performance of "Do You Want to Dance" - which of course she didn't write - so she has no claim over the intellectual property, only the style of the performance, which the sound-alike singer (remarkably successfully) emulated. Check it out at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4633751 Music Tom Waits Fights to Stay Independent by Joel Rose All Things Considered, May 6, 2005 · Musician Tom Waits is popular among a small but loyal group of listeners. He is also popular with a group most people would not associate with his sound: advertisers. Waits, however, does not want his music selling products and continues to successfully use the law to challenge corporations misappropriating his image. It's getting very very tricky out there! On 5/6/05, samba - wrote: > I think the Bealtles very clearly copied the Everly Bros,and Little > Richard and Carl Perkins and Gene Vincent and Holland Dozier and Holland,and > Buck Owens and Stockhausen and every thing else they liked. But when they > covered the Isley bros ,or the Miracles they credited the writers and paid > the royalties. > Oddly enough you can't copyright style or ,instrumentation,or rhythm > ,tones ,timbres, textures or timing ,or dynamics. You can only own > sequences of notes. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 19:45:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j46NfjU32319; Fri, 6 May 2005 19:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427C007E.2060904@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 18:40:46 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality References: <20050506183940.92577.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050506183940.92577.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, the "community" debate rises again :) Mark, your post made me think two things that I thought I would share with the group: 1) if we could somehow map LD topics to tones, we would most definitely have a recognizable loop. This from the perspective of someone who's only been a member about 4 years. I'm sure some of the real old timers could confirm or deny my theory, but I certainly see it. I don't consider this a good or bad thing, it's simply an observation. It has good connotations, and bad ones. One of the bad ones is that it can make you indifferent toward the list, as a community, over time. At least, if you're not proactive and make it a low priority, like I have. 2) you mentioned a leader causing there to be accountability. I've learned that accountability is really only caused by having a group of people who will accept their own responsibilities, naturally and without instruction. If you truly feel accountable to this list, you'll hold yourself accountable to keep it healthy. I should admit freely and openly - I have lost that sense of responsibility and am a selfish lurker or a rapscallion most of the time now. Shame on me. Dig mark sottilaro wrote: >Don't feel sad or sorry for me. I am part of a >community of really good people I've met out here in >the SF Bay area. I just think that a community that's >web based isn't the same because you have this degree >of anonymity that you don't get when you're physically >with people in your community. I remember being at a >festival in Ithaca, NY and a small child asked my >girlfriend and I for help building stilts (part of a >plan for a man to cause mass injuries by giving wood >and hammers to small children so they can try to walk >on home made stilts). The little girl's mother saw >this and came over and nervously apologized but then I >saw she recognized me. I was the sock store manager. >I walked around Ithaca all the time. I was the guy in >that weird band. I was the guy who had coffee all the >time with my friends at the local cafes. She ended up >asking if we wouldn't mind watching her 4 year old for >a bit while she took her 2 year old to the petting >zoo. We did and it was a blast. I was pretty good on >the stilts too. > >The point is that I was a part of a community where I >couldn't yell "FIRE" in a theater and not suffer. On >the Internet, you can do that and people do all the >time. It's fine, it's just not the same. Again a >strong leader/moderator would help, IMO, but that >person hasn't posted in a long time either and has >expressed that he by all means dose not want to be >that or have that at all on this list. > >So a community where no one is accountable for >anything... just doesn't feel like a community to me. >Just a bunch of people talking about roughly the same >thing. > >Mark > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 20:26:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j470NlY04859; Fri, 6 May 2005 20:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 20:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.214] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8c880ac20505061638479edbf5@mail.gmail.com> From: "samba -" Subject: Re: was Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 17:22:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2005 00:22:51.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7B64310:01C5529A] Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very Interesting ,At last I can taste vengence against my myriad imitators. 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Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1206379992-1115426329=:78979-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 21:36:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j471YUh13407; Fri, 6 May 2005 21:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=fUxaQ1QSr/GC/cxPW1wOjUDivEcHPQrQQvw0A3N3cXIgh6m9L+PT57jMBRECus1Y; Message-ID: <410-2200556713713760@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tim kisses the kilowatts Re: Community Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:37:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9405b890e4ed0b2a7309d3ceffb051e4b35350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.164.168 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Herr Nelson: You were at my show? And... hee hee... you saw me complete the path to ground through the microphone, testing my own earlier thread? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttt!!! ) You shoulda come up and said "hi"! I'm very approachable, even when reeling from electrical shock! And I'm glad you liked "Astronomy," but I can't take credit for it. That's a Syd Barrett tune from the first 'Floyd LP. I adore old psych. Goatness, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Date: 5/6/2005 5:45:37 PM > Subject: Re: Community > > > --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > ...the walker bros...(hey i bought yer records back > in > > the 60s!) > > Ha, one of the very first LPs I ever owned, along with > the 'Hard Days Night' soundtrack album, was by John > Stewart and Scott Engel, billed as "Original members > of the Walker Brothers"... > > I've been thinking about Mark's distinction between > various levels of community, and I have to agree that > in an online-based community such as this one, there > is sometimes a bit of the residual 'lurker' mentality > remaining even when we do go out to live events. I > dunno, maybe there's an appeal to the incognito > factor, but I often go to events I hear about on this > list without feeling the need to make my presence > known. Sometimes I'll introduce myself, sometimes not; > it's not an antisocial symptom or anything. Maybe I > just find it difficult to carry on a conversation in a > noisy, distracting environment, or feel reluctant to > bug people at gigs... > > Fer example, last Saturday I saw a listmember test an > earlier thread about using a poorly-grounded vintage > tube amplifier, and then close his set with a great > original song called 'Astronomy Domine'... :) > > -t- > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 21:38:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j471ajL13548; Fri, 6 May 2005 21:36:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:36:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050506183940.92577.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050506183940.92577.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:31:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:39 AM -0700 5/6/05, mark sottilaro wrote: >I just think that a community that's web based isn't the same >because you have this degree of anonymity that you don't get when >you're physically with people in your community. This was an explicit aim in the founding of the WELL about 20 years ago. It was conceived of as an on-line community with local geographical roots in the Bay Area. There were frequent physical gatherings to reinforce this. Along similar lines, when I became active on PAN I quickly made a number of on-line friends who continue to be close. Several of us even wound up in a band together, once we found that we all live in Los Angeles. So yes, I'd agree that physical contact makes reinforces community though not to the exclusion of strong virtual communities. But in my experience the latter tend to have a more amorphous feel. Rather than relating to individuals as true individuals I often relate to them as archetypes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 21:52:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j471oZp15066; Fri, 6 May 2005 21:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.92,163,1112587200"; d="scan'208"; a="31416408:sNHT19066520" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050506184423.01a00368@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 18:48:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality In-Reply-To: References: <20050506183940.92577.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whoa! I for one was being totally sarcastic when I wrote "where's the moderator" - more of an inside joke since long time members know that there is no moderator by explicit decree per the creator (of the list). At 2005.05.06 12:41 PM, samba - wrote: > Being of an anarchistic temperment,I'm sorry to hear calls for a strong > leader. There certainly are big From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 21:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j471pSP15247; Fri, 6 May 2005 21:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: cthulhu.neoprofessional.net: jlucas set sender to jlucas@neoprimitive.net using -f Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:51:16 -0500 From: jlucas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre appears again Message-ID: <20050507025116.GF14506@neoprimitive.net> References: <20050506181707.6157.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001101c55293$b15476e0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001101c55293$b15476e0$0affff0a@hppav> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre's good. I liked what he played when I saw him in Manhattan. I think I pissed him off when I suggested he not throw away the endings to his pieces. Has he stopped doing that yet? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 21:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j471pbq15255; Fri, 6 May 2005 21:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:51:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eJFXY2WW5Xis1v/JJDzAfvsFhxLZA4WXSHCTkV3GnKiJpyaXRiW7bP+3SJAI4S+VQbog8R2Y3AWZfluNXY7EeBOgVKf8VGickhXTLSL/hvwwWMbaiXdXiwiMGSvWYsrObcNycCx4So6qS8MjmXuP6m1RLASdgTP42GbRbPYkbHY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:50:35 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe please In-Reply-To: <20050507003849.80732.qmail@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050507003849.80732.qmail@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j471ofx15085 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Including of course, the first one.... On 5/6/05, Trevor Davis wrote: > Unsubscribe > > Too many messages per day for me to handle.Thanx > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 22:28:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j472ORj19901; Fri, 6 May 2005 22:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 22:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=C9e1VFsIeD1UwPJPGNhtDqu1hKgEZYSgt/5Ufqn9nNW8HmvEuxdBJ4EUtF3ohxZiPvFcZH26WWWC8s6PxvDHlF7PY2HO65kyVGBheBuzbH5NpZsZwTgvtrl1jzS5dhmV5EFv/ADd1dNvuaE+pyp9kzKBopbwTf/SAtriWPM8hmo= ; Message-ID: <20050507022245.16462.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Tim kisses the kilowatts Re: Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Herr Nelson: You were at my show? Yup, we were situated roughly midway between (listmember) Dr. T. and (listmembers) Frank and Cheryl... I even wore my LD t-shirt! :) > And... hee hee... you saw me complete the path to > ground through the microphone, testing my own > earlier thread? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttt!!!) I noticed the first shock, the one that left yer lip a'quiver. EVERYONE in the room noticed the second one, the one that caused you to holler "#%$@!" and do that funny little dance as you soiled yourself*. > You shoulda come up and said "hi"! I'm very > approachable, even when reeling from electrical >shock! Now that I've blown my cover, I'll have to next time! > And I'm glad you liked "Astronomy," but I can't take > credit for it. That's a Syd Barrett tune from the >first 'Floyd LP. Yeah, I know. I've covered it myself, along with 'Interstellar Overdrive', 'Lucifer Sam', 'No Man's Land', etc etc. I was making a subtle reference to this week's plagiarism (PAGEarism?) thread. > I adore old psych. Really? I never would have guessed! ;) -t- * no, he did not really soil himself. But the rest of it is true. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 6 22:48:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j472jWh21904; Fri, 6 May 2005 22:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 22:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.214] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050506184423.01a00368@mail02.powweb.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hammer Loops Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 19:44:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2005 02:44:21.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABFBA4F0:01C552AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the smithsonian project http://www.sound2cb.com/bernardhammer/pjweb/index.html moca digital gallery http://www.moca.org/museum/dg_detail.php?&dgDetail=cBernjHamm http://www.sound2cb.com/bernardhammer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 01:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j475pj412859; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 01:51:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.691a4f9c.2fadb130@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 01:50:40 EDT Subject: stano sez it best! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.691a4f9c.2fadb130_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7e.691a4f9c.2fadb130_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/6/05 4:22:31 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > and all the great posts and quotes and info... > whats not to love? > am i crazy to be happy reading my LD posts?.....perhaps it's not a TRUE COMMUNITY but i feel i have made wonderful friends here, from all over.....i could at this very moment be teleported to SAN FRAN and feel totaly at home with stano and matt davignon and rick and bill and all my west coast homies.....and ted and hans and mr. hartung who i got to spend a day with listening to many "LOOPERS" doing what i love!.....my hats off to mr kim.....thank you!.....don't let semantics come between you and REALITY (?).....it's about more than the music!.....i never met a looper i didn't like!.....i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig and hopefully meeting many of the EUROLOOPKINDERN.....HOLY SHIT!.....what fun!.....and mighty rick in JAPAN! soon spreading the GOSPEL-O-LOOP with sunao.....and zoe and travis and mighty tim to mention just a few.....such friends!.....THANKS FOR HAVIN' ME!.....mic --part1_7e.691a4f9c.2fadb130_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/6/05 4:22:31 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


and all the great posts a= nd quotes and info...
whats not to love?

am i crazy to be happy reading my LD posts?.....perhaps it's not a TRUE COMM= UNITY but i feel i have made wonderful friends here, from all over.....i cou= ld at this very moment be teleported to SAN FRAN and feel totaly at home wit= h stano and matt davignon and rick and bill and all my west coast homies....= .and ted and hans and mr. hartung who i got to spend a day with listening to= many "LOOPERS" doing what i love!.....my hats off to mr kim.....thank you!.= ....don't let semantics come between you and REALITY (?).....it's about more= than the music!.....i never met a looper i didn't like!.....i am crazy psyc= hed about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig and hopefully meeting many of the= EUROLOOPKINDERN.....HOLY SHIT!.....what fun!.....and mighty rick in JAPAN!=20= soon  spreading the GOSPEL-O-LOOP with sunao.....and zoe and travis an= d mighty tim to mention just a few.....such friends!.....THANKS FOR HAVIN' M= E!.....mic
<= /FONT> --part1_7e.691a4f9c.2fadb130_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 02:23:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j476MEt17395; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:22:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 02:22:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 02:21:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <7e.691a4f9c.2fadb130@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVSyOileypXoUwoSH+6fmQooTG72wAA04jg Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DUIgc47VD-0004DZ@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Found a refrence to a new looping pedal: http://www.free-scores.com/boutique/boutique-frame-acc.php?clef=55597&CATEGO RIE=999 Although nothing on the Digitech site yet. Found a price for $299US on a few sites. Available mid June. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 06:14:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47ACBJ12159; Sat, 7 May 2005 06:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 06:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 01:44:42 +0100 Subject: Re: VF-1 Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? From: jeremy To: , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8635862.1115394826411.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198309337_152716" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198309337_152716 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Push the rotary select knob mutes/unmutes the FX. You can set it up in the menus if this mutes totally or just passes direct sound. Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 > Because I'm relatively old-school, there's one thing that makes me nuts a= bout > my feature-packed VF-1, which I am only recently coming to know and love:= I > cannot find any button for effect in/out. > =20 > I have another Boss half-rack (the much older RPS-10), and this worthy de= vice > has a handy front-panel bypass pushbutton. (say that four times real fast= , > everybody!!!!) > =20 > Maybe I'm dense, but I cannot find anything like that on the VF-1. I did = buy a > nice cheap Rolls MidiBuddy to control the VF-1, and maybe someday I will = have > time to figure it out, but I feel I should have the option of just bypass= ing > the lil' red box with the press of an easily-accessed button. Guess it's = my > stompbox background ;-) > ~Tim > www.mungenast.com > www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > =20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jeremy=20 > Sent: May 6, 2005 4:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? >=20 >> Hi Giorgio,=20 >>=20 >> Yes the Boss VF-1 which is at the end of it=B9s production run. I bought m= y >> last one just about a year ago for GBP 189 (about 300 Euro) from Turnkey >> There may be other pan Euopean sellers such a= s >> Thomann in Germany. If there are any still around you=B9d get a bargain no= w. >>=20 >> Yes Roland Boss can sound characterless with all the risk and rough edge= s >> removed. The operating systems seem to have certain decisions taken for = you, >> like having a Nanny in the box! >>=20 >> The VF-1 were an agreeable surprise. I have found the the little VF-1s u= seful >> toolboxes and an affordable successor to the old SE70 that everyone was >> asking such silly money for a while back. Perhaps I=B9ll get an Eventide o= ne >> day. >>=20 >> Strong points are: that you can control four parameters per patch over m= idi, >> sync to midi clock and program everything in a lot of detail so these th= ings >> sound very personal. These sound like me me me ! >>=20 >> I=B9m not using it for the amp simulations that much =AD I=B9ve got good chann= el >> strips for that. You=B9d need to canvas opinion from other users on the li= st if >> this was important. >>=20 >> Anyway best of luck in your search. >>=20 >> Jeremy >>=20 >>=20 >> http://www.masse.org.uk >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi Jeremy, >>> do you mean the Boss VF-1 ? >>> I thank you but first of all I think this is out-of-production ... so = why >>> not the beloved GP-100. >>> Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that I cun found in I= taly. >>> =20 >>> second point, I decided to not buy no mroe nothing from Boss - Roland >>> because an ideological personal point: they apply a awful marketing pol= icy >>> with price very high and .. in my opinion ... device without personalit= y :) >>> =20 >>> sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to you ... but I hate the fact that Boss= make >>> so terrible devices (In application sw for umiscians I mean), also with= the >>> having the COSM technology that I think is good .... >>> =20 >>> marketing startegy ... >>> all for the massess >>> stomb-box for rockers :) >>> =20 >>> thank you >>> giorgio >>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> =20 >>>> From: jeremy >>>> =20 >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> =20 >>>> Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 15:41 >>>> =20 >>>> Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>> VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay with it=B9s own delay and = pan >>>>> setting. I=B9m not sure if the manual is available on line. Do loads o= f >>>>> other stuff too - very reasonable price if you can still get them. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jeremy >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay devices >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1. possibly software solution >>>>>> I would prefere a software program for PC Windows, because for cost >>>>>> saving=20 >>>>>> (my budget is low). >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays in >>>>>> real-time=20 >>>>>> possibly as *standalone* program; >>>>>> I hate VST plug-ins because thet require a VST host that I do not >>>>>> have/know. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In case your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a freew= are >>>>>> VST =20 >>>>>> host tool, >>>>>> but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST discussion. >>>>>> I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone programs. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 2. hardware solution >>>>>> Someone may suggest any hardware device for mutitap ? >>>>>> please do not suggest me usual tools used for looping; >>>>>> I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay >>>>>> fractalization I >>>>>> have in mind. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> many thanks / giorgio >>>>>> http://solyaris.altervista.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3198309337_152716 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: VF-1 Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ? Push = the rotary select knob mutes/unmutes the FX. You can set it up in the menus = if this mutes totally or just passes direct sound.

Jeremy

http://www.masse.org.uk






Because I'm relatively old-school, there's one thing that makes me nuts abo= ut my feature-packed VF-1, which I am only recently coming to know and love:= I cannot find any button for effect in/out.
 
I have another Boss half-rack (the much older RPS-10), and this worthy devi= ce has a handy front-panel bypass pushbutton. (say that four times real fast= , everybody!!!!)
 
Maybe I'm dense, but I cannot find anything like that on the VF-1. I did bu= y a nice cheap Rolls MidiBuddy to control the VF-1, and maybe someday I will= have time to figure it out, but I feel I should have the option of just byp= assing the lil' red box with the press of an easily-accessed button. Guess i= t's my stompbox background ;-)
~Tim
www.mungenast.com <http://www.mungena= st.com>
www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat <= http://www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat>
www.myspace.com/timmungenast = <http://www.myspace.com/timmungenast>
 


-----Original Message-----
From: jeremy
Sent: May 6, 2005 4:38 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart idea ?

Hi Giorgio,

Yes the Boss VF-1 which is at the end of it’s production run. I bough= t my last one just about a year ago for GBP 189 (about 300 Euro) from Turnke= y  <http://www.turnkey.co.uk><= /a> There may be other pan Euopean sellers such as Thomann in Germany. If th= ere are any still around you’d get a bargain now.

Yes Roland Boss can sound characterless with all the risk and rough edges r= emoved. The operating systems seem to have certain decisions taken for you, = like having a Nanny in the box!

The VF-1 were an agreeable surprise. I have found the the little VF-1s usef= ul toolboxes and an affordable successor to the old SE70 that everyone was a= sking such silly money for a while back. Perhaps I’ll get an Eventide = one day.

Strong points are: that you can control four parameters per patch over midi= , sync to midi clock and program everything in a lot of detail so these thin= gs sound very personal. These sound like me me me !

I’m not using it for the amp simulations that much – I’ve= got good channel strips for that. You’d need to canvas opinion from o= ther users on the list if this was important.

Anyway best of luck in your search.

Jeremy


http://www.masse.org.uk









Hi Jeremy,
do you mean the Boss VF-1 ?
I thank you but first  of all I think this is out-of-production ... so= why not the beloved GP-100.
Obviously I'm askiing for something in production that I cun found in Italy= .
 
second point, I decided to not buy no mroe nothing from Boss - Roland becau= se an ideological personal point: they apply a awful marketing policy with p= rice very high and .. in my opinion ... device without personality :)
 
sorry, I don't wnat to dispute to you ... but I hate the fact that Boss mak= e so terrible devices (In application sw for umiscians I mean), also with th= e having the COSM technology that I think is good ....
 
marketing startegy ...
all for the massess
stomb-box for rockers :)
 
thank you
giorgio
 

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  jeremy <= ;mailto:listing.to.port@masse.org.uk>  
 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
 
Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 15:41
 
Subject: Re: Multi-Tap Delay: any smart  idea ?
 

 
<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'>VF-1 has a 20 tap delay setting. Each delay wi= th  it’s own delay and pan setting. I’m not sure if the man= ual is available on  line. Do loads of other stuff too - very reasonabl= e price if you can still  get them.

Jeremy

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'>


Hi all, Im'looking for Multi-tap delay  devices

1. possibly software solution
I would prefere a software  program for PC Windows, because for cost s= aving
(my budget is  low).

I'm looking for something for create complex MultiTap delays  in real-= time
possibly as *standalone* program;
I hate VST plug-ins  because thet require a VST host that I do not hav= e/know.

In case  your proposal is just a plug-in, please suggest me a  fr= eeware VST  
host tool,
but plese do not trasform this thread in a VST  discussion.
I don't love to talk about VST; I like standalone  programs.

2. hardware solution
Someone may suggest any hardware  device for mutitap ?
please do not suggest me usual tools used for  looping;
I do not believe tha t they are suitable for complex delay  fractaliza= tion I
have in mind.

many thanks / giorgio
http://solyaris.altervista.org=  










 --B_3198309337_152716-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 06:15:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47AEPR12435; Sat, 7 May 2005 06:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 06:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 11:19:37 +0100 Subject: Re: unsubscribe please From: jeremy To: , Trevor Davis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050507003849.80732.qmail@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Trevor, If you need to unsubscribe you need to send the request to a different address. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 06:49:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47AmMo15358; Sat, 7 May 2005 06:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 06:48:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050507113715.02b34850@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 11:45:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Torn on tour in UK In-Reply-To: <200505070153.j471rhY15538@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505070153.j471rhY15538@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Torn's touring UK with a band called the Bays:- http://www.indigoflow.co.uk/modules.php?name=AvantGo&file=print&sid=499 Just checked, and the London date was yesterday, (so sorry for the lateness) I'll be part of audience at the Norwich gig on Monday. (as will Bernhard Wagner), Support on that gig will be the Tim Bowness band,(not in the program) ..and Tim will likely be looping the outro of a song. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 07:09:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47B7wG18238; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 07:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Qaou9Qkwz6f7Q6iDWpS2sUWNriGAvZo7vXO0wJOCi9vxyWaGNgnx0iTxNHRw7qpks6SymWrmWPd0aIf5OGXLd806d0s3QdkEBoBkgpJxoPqqJktwia/AOTxWLOeIDnyL/7v4nR2+/gjHxllgU5bvgAmz8vCXfAUOO1aRm/8Jk2A= ; Message-ID: <20050507110723.43338.qmail@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 04:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Torn on tour in UK To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, he's not. This from the Torn list three days ago: From: "John McCullagh" Date: Wed May 4, 2005 11:28 am Subject: Re: Torn cancelled for The Bays? Hey Steve et al... > I've just heard that you've been cancelled from the Bays bill, due to illness? > > a) is this true? I just talked to Anne Parry in CMN Tours, and she has confirmed that dt is unable to be on this tour due to ill health. I've posted this on the splattercell.com site just to let everyone know. Matt White is stepping in to take over for the booked dates. --- a k butler wrote: > > David Torn's touring UK with a band called the > Bays:- > > > http://www.indigoflow.co.uk/modules.php?name=AvantGo&file=print&sid=499 > > > Just checked, and the London date was yesterday, > (so sorry for the lateness) > > I'll be part of audience at the Norwich gig on > Monday. > (as will Bernhard Wagner), > > > Support on that gig will be the Tim Bowness > band,(not in the program) > ..and Tim will likely be looping the outro of a > song. > > andy butler > > Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 09:37:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47DZTQ03796; Sat, 7 May 2005 09:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jRndC9ar8FVZkZ2ZkMOxC8Ya3tnUWTTlpRsfXSzKnSrjbIvqSHqJlGtBkfz/nAjJRdnbVP9p+mtFGfxjic3uUwD/KD3iTRzaQiPyQG6DqZakm8VsvV0/KvUY/KYfz4JS9aULOaU53InMITS9Kusk+oLnL2utBZt/9zDO3Re6jVs= Message-ID: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 06:35:03 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DUIgc47VD-0004DZ@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7e.691a4f9c.2fadb130@aol.com> <0MKz1m-1DUIgc47VD-0004DZ@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j47DZ3x03576 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a little more from http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/JAM.htm "The original Lexicon JamMan's go for silly money on the second hand market. Borrowing from that famous rack unit, Digitech has brought us this pedal version. Utilizes CompactFlash memory for up to 6.5 hours of record/loop time (with a 2GB card), store and save up to 99 loops which can be transferred to a PC via the removable memory card, XLR and 1/4" inputs, 44.1k sampling rate, 2 foot footswitches, loop decay and fade controls, power supply included. on order, expected arrival date 06/30/05 JAM .. list $449.00 ours $299.00" Doesn't appear to have midi sync, which greatly diminishes it's appeal to me. . . On 5/6/05, hazard factor wrote: > Found a refrence to a new looping pedal: > http://www.free-scores.com/boutique/boutique-frame-acc.php?clef=55597&CATEGO > RIE=999 > > Although nothing on the Digitech site yet. Found a price for $299US on a few > sites. Available mid June. > > Dave Eichenberger- > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 10:16:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47EFBd10580; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5Zf1.A.cjC.A1MfCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 7 May 2005, Art Simon wrote: > Here's a little more from http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/JAM.htm Sounds very interesting. I don't really give a damn about 6.5 hours or loop time (or really anything over a few minutes) but the inclusion of XLR connections makes it seem like this is not an "ordinary" DOD pedal. I wonder if it will work in reverse on the fly or have any other direct features? I *still* use my old blue 2 second delay pedals all the time :) > Doesn't appear to have midi sync, which greatly diminishes it's appeal > to me. . . You can always try the crappy EH16 reissue if that's what you want :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 11:53:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47FpUw25109; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <157.50506b32.2fae3ddc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:50:52 EDT Subject: "hold note" function To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.50506b32.2fae3ddc_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_157.50506b32.2fae3ddc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me if this is available in the archives, but I have been unable to locate the answer I am looking for. In the 80's there was a guitar amp I had for a time on which I could play a note, tap a footswitch and indefinitely hold a note, until I tapped the footswitch again. It was called, appropriately, a "hold note" function. I am now looking for a way to do this. With my old amp, their was no noticeable "click" etc. I have owned a Boomerang in the recent past, and attempts to create a drone on it were miserable, always creating a rhythm, through the "click" at the beginning of the loop. So my question: I am going to buy an Echoplex anyway, so I am wondering: Can I configure this somehow to create this non-stop, Indian style, drone pitch, in real time? If not, is there a product which will allow me to create a drone, "on the fly" and in real time? Thanks for any help. -- Donovan Stokes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- Instructor of Bass Valdosta State University, Valdosta, GA dstokes@valdosta.edu Fax: 229-259-5578 Office: 229.333.5663 Home: 229.259.0081 donearlsto@aol.com http://hometown.aol.com/donearlsto/myhomepage/index.html http://www.valdosta.edu/music/ --part1_157.50506b32.2fae3ddc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forgive me if this is available in the=20= archives, but I have been unable to locate the answer I am looking for. = ;

In the 80's there was a guitar amp I had for a time on which I could play a=20= note, tap a footswitch and indefinitely hold a note, until I tapped the foot= switch again.  It was called, appropriately, a "hold note" function.&n= bsp; I am now looking for a way to do this.

With my old amp, their was no noticeable "click" etc.   I have ow= ned a Boomerang in the recent past, and attempts to create a drone on it wer= e miserable, always creating a rhythm, through the "click" at the beginning=20= of the loop.

So my question:
I am going to buy an Echoplex anyway, so I am wondering:  Can I config= ure this somehow to create this non-stop, Indian style, drone pitch, in real= time?  If not, is there a product which will allow me to create a dro= ne, "on the fly" and in real time?

Thanks for any help.

--
Donovan Stokes
----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------
Instructor of Bass
Valdosta State University, Valdosta, GA
dstokes@valdosta.edu
Fax: 229-259-5578
Office: 229.333.5663
Home: 229.259.0081
donearlsto@aol.com
http://hometown.aol.com/donearlsto/myhomepage/index.html
http://www.valdosta.edu/music/
 --part1_157.50506b32.2fae3ddc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 12:03:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47G1iO28073; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:01:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:01:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sxgQq3LF8KfLf20Fqpr+f3sUt3vuP4CaFw2Cf6gyQplbunm4i5Htss62E65bHXHuO8yLIUzJlyQ9YrJTHeHh4tlzYt2gGB3edPHxakgdK9a+txxxhpnxtaw3/RZXK0CQdIpcKUUxFfj1BuMyWw8Q1obLTPwaK7i1Frxpwtcwm70= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:01:11 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "hold note" function In-Reply-To: <157.50506b32.2fae3ddc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <157.50506b32.2fae3ddc@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j47G1Gx27936 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the EDP doesn't work out for you, I'd suggest hunting down a Boss Feedbacker/Distortion which had the single note hold feature. On 5/7/05, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: > Forgive me if this is available in the archives, but I have been unable to > locate the answer I am looking for. > > In the 80's there was a guitar amp I had for a time on which I could play a > note, tap a footswitch and indefinitely hold a note, until I tapped the > footswitch again. It was called, appropriately, a "hold note" function. I > am now looking for a way to do this. > > With my old amp, their was no noticeable "click" etc. I have owned a > Boomerang in the recent past, and attempts to create a drone on it were > miserable, always creating a rhythm, through the "click" at the beginning of > the loop. > > So my question: > I am going to buy an Echoplex anyway, so I am wondering: Can I configure > this somehow to create this non-stop, Indian style, drone pitch, in real > time? If not, is there a product which will allow me to create a drone, "on > the fly" and in real time? > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > Donovan Stokes > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Instructor of Bass > Valdosta State University, Valdosta, GA > dstokes@valdosta.edu > Fax: 229-259-5578 > Office: 229.333.5663 > Home: 229.259.0081 > donearlsto@aol.com > http://hometown.aol.com/donearlsto/myhomepage/index.html > http://www.valdosta.edu/music/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 12:09:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47G7Us29101; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j578ex+tNqdk1Z0OQpqjh7XsyOW3mSJ8N1QbRnqSIwZab0A4GNyviFk0p79d6sbmO32ky/gwYJWvABazbzZryR34+W3oOgnvqAAhQHcMqSLBFCdVLLV+TryZkcgNgBkovud/GSxY6YdVNW8XRgDJOQlJlhOF1lu5z39oBN9D1kE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:06:56 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j47G71x29018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They're talking about a lot of features in a small box there. Putting the XLR connectors seems wacky--the dominant market has got to be folks using quarter inch unbalanced connectors. I'd think some form of MIDI sync would be far more useful in the same back panel real estate, but we'll have to see what the full set of features ends up being. On 5/7/05, Legion wrote: > On Sat, 7 May 2005, Art Simon wrote: > > > Here's a little more from > http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/JAM.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 12:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47Gsi802377; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-614459143-1115484854=:9720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 14:21:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47IJeN16959; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:19:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:13:44 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances New York City 5.11.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, ' I'll be performing video improvisations on May 11 as part of the EyeWash series. There will be 3 other VJ's.I'll be performing with Dean Stiglitz on wind controller and synthesizer, Claire Barrett, movement sculpture, and the resident DJ's . Dean and Claire are two of my favoirite collaborators, so this should be really nice. Note the order of appearance is not yet determined. EyeWash Wednesday, May 11th Remote Lounge 327 Bowery (at 2nd Street) 9pm-1am *FREE* http://www.FORWARDmotiontheater.org/ Featuring live-mix video by: Charles Atlas http://www.pbs.org/art21/artists/atlas/ Dr. T http://www.foryourhead.com/ Brad Swindell http://www.bradswindell.com/ Chika Iijima http://www.chicklet.com/ Music by resident DJs Duane Reade and Krou with special audio guests Deknow The EyeWash series is a relaxed and social atmosphere in a bar equipped with CRTs, video projectors, and tons of tiny cameras. You can enjoy live-mixed video, meet VJs and video and audio artists, and see the latest in live video and dance performance. EyeWash is presented by Forward Motion Theater, Inc. a 501(c)3 non-profit organization since 2001, and is made possible with public funds from the New York State Council on the Arts, a State agency. The EyeWash 2 DVD is available at these fine retailers: FMT Store - http://www.forwardmotiontheater.org/Store/index.html Microcinema /Black Chair D - http://www.microcinema.com/programResult.php?program_id=332 Ear-Rational Music - http://www.ear-rational.com/detail.php?id=16578&searchparm=@@VA&order=&offse t=380 **All proceeds go to support EyeWash events** Looking forward... -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 17:35:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j47LXrx12435; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427D3408.3010902@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:32:56 -0700 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "hold note" function References: <157.50506b32.2fae3ddc@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <157.50506b32.2fae3ddc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP will do that. Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: > Forgive me if this is available in the archives, but I have been > unable to locate the answer I am looking for. > > In the 80's there was a guitar amp I had for a time on which I could > play a note, tap a footswitch and indefinitely hold a note, until I > tapped the footswitch again. It was called, appropriately, a "hold > note" function. I am now looking for a way to do this. > > With my old amp, their was no noticeable "click" etc. I have owned a > Boomerang in the recent past, and attempts to create a drone on it > were miserable, always creating a rhythm, through the "click" at the > beginning of the loop. > > So my question: > I am going to buy an Echoplex anyway, so I am wondering: Can I > configure this somehow to create this non-stop, Indian style, drone > pitch, in real time? If not, is there a product which will allow me > to create a drone, "on the fly" and in real time? > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > Donovan Stokes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 7 22:02:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4820Vu17802; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:00:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 22:00:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=poVRpn11/o9yf3uKjhjjdPNHLlAQJ4p8g5nSvMFUv/QpPkhvDgY1g4ljza4/iEk5ymgVeyTODPuYhaO6yvznEzB+rHedI9jTQnSSRt1zqEZbbx3ItwTHDWHdIX57Ge5GLhxhziY7a6s0HFVyR6Bv+2AEynzJf7vv4jYlDWEC71o= ; Message-ID: <20050508015855.94006.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiodos Mystery 'wich" Subject: Repeater V2 Being Pre-release sold? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1791371943-1115517535=:93778" Resent-Message-ID: <5a7TEB.A.S8D.lJXfCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1791371943-1115517535=:93778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi: I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of the Repeater 2 for $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd buy one in a minute. It may not be as good a device as the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL. Kapusta --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-1791371943-1115517535=:93778 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of the Repeater 2 for $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd buy one in a minute. It may not be as good a device as the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL.
 
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Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-1791371943-1115517535=:93778-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 01:53:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j485oww14316; Sun, 8 May 2005 01:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 01:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c55391$e1d408e0$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050506212418.94342.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 01:48:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And for some of us, it's nearly the only way of interacting with like minded people. For a lot of reasons I won't get into, I don't interact with many loopers in "the real world." So being able to chat and read about looping and with 'loopers' is absolutely a wonderful thing. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality > There's always gonna be some equivocation when it > comes to defining stuff like this, but I think in our > case it has to be extended to include things like: > 1) a network to provide a greater knowledge/database > both technically and technologically. > 2) a support system for diseminating gig info, both > for informing members of said 'community' when/where > events are taking place so that members may attend, > and also to assist in organizing the events in the > first place. > 3) a means of initial contact and subsequent > communication for collaborations, both in live > performance and recording projects. > 4) more of a group identity as a means of feedback to > the manufacturers of looping gear to reflect which > features are more or less desireable in new equipment. > (as we've noted before, Boss/Roland seems to be exempt > from this one...) > > Et cetera, > > -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 08:56:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48CsFb04643; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c553cc$e869aa80$299d5142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20050506212418.94342.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <010d01c55391$e1d408e0$0200a8c0@bigtony> Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 05:53:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <7JMItD.A.aDB.TugfCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this comes pretty late in the thread... I surely wouldn't have met a great many people had I not become a member of Looper's Delight. I'm now at the very least, pleasantly acquainted with more than a few people from around the globe, who have similar interests and ideas. I've been able to collaborate with several as well. This list, while cyber, has been the beginning of closer contact with a much larger world than I previously accessed. If that's not a product of ongoing community, then I don't know what is. It's just like any 'neighborhood'... you start off in an impersonal way, introducing yourself to the group; then you slowly make friends, discover commonalities, and possibly find some conflict along the way as well. It's all for real folks. It can be what you make of it. I know for a fact that before joining LD, Rick Walker certainly didn't know the people he's in contact with now. Rick's been a huge success story here, and his attitude has played a great part in that. He's enthusiastic, involved, generous, and motivated. This has expanded his world in ways being offlist never would have. It has changed his life and path in music. He certainly would have a successful musical life without the list, but this online 'community' has played a vital role and I'm sure he'd be the first to acknowledge this. Peace out... -Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: "Tony K" Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality > And for some of us, it's nearly the only way of interacting with like minded > people. For a lot of reasons I won't get into, I don't interact with many > loopers in "the real world." So being able to chat and read about looping > and with 'loopers' is absolutely a wonderful thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 09:21:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48DJbR09675; Sun, 8 May 2005 09:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:19:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c553d1$2b7538e0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <157.50506b32.2fae3ddc@aol.com> Subject: Re: "hold note" function Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:23:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, you could do this on the Echoplex. Probably the best way would be to record something like 4 seconds of silence, play that back, then hit "Overdub" and play in your drone. I think it would hard to make the drone seamless if you didn't record silence first. Hit Overdub again when you're done. Then if you want to layer more stuff over the drone, use the "multiply" function. Before I had any other looping devices, I used a DOD DFX-94 delay pedal to create drones from my Jerry Jones electric sitar. Eventually I mounted the delay pedal inside the sitar to make this easier: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar.html The DFX94 has a maximum delay time of 4 seconds, which is just right for Indian drones. And it has an infinite repeat that you can use to play it back indefinitely. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 09:48:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48Dfod12155; Sun, 8 May 2005 09:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:41:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 06:40:46 -0700 Subject: Gig spam repeat: today's the day From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198379246_10009541" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198379246_10009541 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Attn: Bay Area and Central Coast-- =B3gong & bass=B2 Presented by the Second Sundays Live Looping Series Sunday May 8 7-10 pm Admission free, all ages Location: The ATTIC, 931 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz Musical Performers=20 =20 - Max Valentino=20 =20 - Matt Davignon=20 =20 - ghost7=20 =20 - Amar & Samba=20 =20 Visual Performers - Ms. Pinky - Mobius =20 About Live Looping Live looping is an art form in which musicians use technology to capture or =B3loop=B2 musical passages in real time, while playing. Once a phrase or sound is captured, it becomes an independent musical element, which the musician can repeat and alter, playing with it or against it.=20 Live Looping essentially allows a musician to act as his or her own ensemble, making it possible for performers to push the boundaries of their instruments and their musical imaginations to new and often far-reaching places. Live loopers create walls of layered sound, full compositions with multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible soundscapes, and are some of th= e most interesting and inventive musicians on the planet today. Performer Information =20 ghost7 =20 Music from the dream you had just before you woke . . . Take a 4-string bas= s and mutate, destroy, and reassemble cascading layers of sound. Experimental bassist Ghost7 recently relocated to Santa Cruz from Boston, and has played with numerous groundbreaking musicians in the US and Japan, including Chris Cutler, Kazuhisa Uchihashi, and E-Da (formerly of Boredoms)= . ghost7=B9s CD =B3New Directions In Static=B2 is available online at CD Baby and a= t Streetlight Records, Santa Cruz ( Electronic section) sound samples and more info at: www.envelopeproductions.com www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 =20 Amar & Samba May 8 will mark the first performance of an exciting experimental duo comprised of Amar Chaudhary and Christopher Cohn (Samba). Amar & Samba will be using gongs, looping devices and innovative software designed by Amar to create a richly textured mix of sound. Amar Chaudhary is a longtime composer and performer specializing in contemporary and electronic music, as well as a developer of advanced software for sound synthesis and music composition. Amar=B9s music has been performed internationally and he has received several honors for his musica= l work. Christopher Cohn is a longtime performer of African Music, and is =B3interested in using randomization to break the curse of dimensionality.=B2 sound samples and more info at: http://www.amar-music.info/ http://www.lotuslazuli.com/music.htm =20 Matt Davignon Matt Davignon has developed a unique form of improvisation over the last 10 years, focusing on textures, arrhythmic patterns and musical imperfections. Working primarily with drum machines, Matt creates dynamic, biological musi= c that crackles and oozes with life. sound samples and more info at: http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=3D153 http://www.soundclick.com/mattdavignon =20 Max Valentino Bassist Max Valentino is on a personal quest to broaden the preconceived notion of the bass guitar. Max has performed hundreds of solo performances in which he wows the audience with lilting melodies, stunning chordal and percussive displays, and mesmerizing compositions. Max has worked with such notables as John Zorn prot=E9g=E9 David Slusser, forme= r Henry Threadgil guitarist Ron Thompson, percussionist and live looper Rick Walker, and Michael Manring, and his playing has been described as =B3emotionally evocative, wholly musical, and technically awe-inspiring.=B2 -------------- Second Sundays Live Looping Series Producers: Rick Walker, Bill Walker, Dan Soltzberg Executive Producer: Rick Walker For more information, please contact: Dan Soltzberg Envelope Productions 831-335-8336 617-470-2087 (cell) dan@envelopeproductions.com www.envelopeproductions.com --B_3198379246_10009541 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Gig spam repeat: today's the day
Attn: Bay Area and Central Coast--



“gong & bass”


Presented by the Second Sundays Li= ve Looping Series

Sunday May 8 7-10 pm
Admission free, all ages

Location: The ATTIC, 931 Pacific A= ve. Santa Cruz


Musical Performers


- Max Valentino

- Matt Davignon

- ghost7

- Amar & Samba


Visual Performers



- Ms. Pinky

- Mobius




About Live Looping


Live looping is an art form in whi= ch musicians use technology to capture or “loop” musical passage= s in real time, while playing. Once a phrase or sound is captured, it become= s an independent musical element, which the musician can repeat and alter, p= laying with it or
against it.

Live Looping essentially allows a = musician to act as his or her own ensemble, making it possible for performer= s to push the boundaries of their instruments and their musical imaginations= to new and often far-reaching places. Live loopers create walls of layered = sound, full compositions with multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible so= undscapes, and are some of the most interesting and inventive musicians on t= he planet today.



Performer Information



ghost7  


Music from the dream you had just = before you woke . . . Take a 4-string bass and mutate, destroy, and reassemb= le cascading layers of sound.

Experimental bassist Ghost7 recent= ly relocated to Santa Cruz from Boston, and has played with numerous groundb= reaking musicians in the US and Japan, including Chris Cutler, Kazuhisa Uchi= hashi, and E-Da (formerly of Boredoms).

ghost7’s CD “New Direc= tions In Static” is available online at CD Baby and at Streetlight Rec= ords, Santa Cruz ( Electronic section)

sound samples and more info at:
www.envelopeproductions.com <http://www.envelop= eproductions.com/>
www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 <http://www.cdbaby.com/gh= ost7>


Amar & Samba


May 8 will mark the first performa= nce of an exciting experimental duo comprised of Amar Chaudhary and Christop= her Cohn (Samba). Amar & Samba will be using gongs, looping devices and = innovative software designed by Amar to create a richly textured mix of soun= d.

Amar Chaudhary is a longtime compo= ser and performer specializing in contemporary and electronic music, as well= as a developer of advanced software for sound synthesis and music compositi= on. Amar’s music has been performed internationally and he has receive= d several honors for his musical work.

Christopher Cohn is a longtime per= former of African Music, and is “interested in using randomization to = break the curse of dimensionality.”

sound samples and more info at:
http://www.amar-music.info/ <http://www.amar-music.info/>
http://www.lotuslazuli.com/music.htm &l= t;http://www.lotuslazuli.com/music.htm&g= t;


Matt Davignon


Matt Davignon has developed a uniq= ue form of improvisation over the last 10 years, focusing on textures, arrhy= thmic patterns and musical imperfections. Working primarily with drum machin= es, Matt creates dynamic, biological music that crackles and oozes with life= .

sound samples and more info at:
http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?arti= st_id=3D153 <http://www.bayimproviser.c= om/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=3D153>
http://www.soundclick.com/mattdavignon <http://www.soundclick.com/mattdavignon>


Max Valentino


Bassist Max Valentino is on a pers= onal quest to broaden the preconceived notion of the bass guitar. Max has pe= rformed hundreds of solo performances in which he wows the audience with lil= ting melodies, stunning chordal and percussive displays, and mesmerizing com= positions.

Max has worked with such notables = as John Zorn protégé David Slusser, former Henry Threadgil gui= tarist Ron Thompson, percussionist and live looper Rick Walker, and Michael = Manring, and his playing has been described as “emotionally evocative,= wholly musical, and technically awe-inspiring.”


 --------------



Second Sundays Live Looping Series


Producers: Rick Walker, Bill Walke= r, Dan Soltzberg

Executive Producer: Rick Walker

For more information, please contact:
Dan Soltzberg
Envelope Productions
831-335-8336
617-470-2087 (cell)
dan@envelopeproductions.com
www.envelopeproductions.com


 --B_3198379246_10009541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 10:43:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48Ecgw22682; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c553db$8aa6af10$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> From: "redrum123" To: References: <157.50506b32.2fae3ddc@aol.com> <000d01c553d1$2b7538e0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: "hold note" function Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:38:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There would be a click using Mark's method. What you would have to do, is either volume swell the note while overdubbing (with a volume pedal) before the echoplex (which is what I do), I use a mixer to route my signal so that this doesn't affect my actual playing but only the signal that goes to the echoplex. Then, just use the volume pedal to cut the volume and stop overdubbing. The easier way, is to record silence with feedback at zero, overdub your note, and then gradually increase feedback and stop overdubbing, then stop the note. To avoid the slight click, you would need to take the volume off with the guitar pot before stopping the note and stopping overdubbing. -gsc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" To: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: "hold note" function > Yeah, you could do this on the Echoplex. Probably the best way would be to > record something like 4 seconds of silence, play that back, then hit "Overdub" > and play in your drone. I think it would hard to make the drone seamless if you > didn't record silence first. Hit Overdub again when you're done. Then if you > want to layer more stuff over the drone, use the "multiply" function. > > Before I had any other looping devices, I used a DOD DFX-94 delay pedal to > create drones from my Jerry Jones electric sitar. Eventually I mounted the delay > pedal inside the sitar to make this easier: > > http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar.html > > The DFX94 has a maximum delay time of 4 seconds, which is just right for Indian > drones. And it has an infinite repeat that you can use to play it back > indefinitely. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 11:19:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48FH8k30005; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050508100447.10f19f68@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:13:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1N4nwC.A.ARH.2zifCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:06 AM 5/7/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >They're talking about a lot of features in a small box there. Putting >the XLR connectors seems wacky--the dominant market has got to be >folks using quarter inch unbalanced connectors. I'd think some form >of MIDI sync would be far more useful in the same back panel real >estate, but we'll have to see what the full set of features ends up >being. There's an even larger blurb (along with pre-production diagrams and "photos", for the textually impaired ;), at http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/DigiTechJamManLooper.html . Looks like mono with 1/4" unbalanced and a single XLR input, so that they can cater to the vocalist community as well; one 1/4" unbalanced on the output. As you said Travis, there's not a whole lot of real estate available there. I guess I can understand the business decision to use the space to make inroads with musicians who use mics or micced instruments instead. But being a MIDI geek, I'd just as soon see MIDI sync on there too... --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 11:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48FIRU30111; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:18:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam: Travis Hartnett in Seattle Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:16:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9fb02211dc2bb048c517b99fbf6606d1b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two acoustic guitar live looping shows this week. The Monday show will, in all likelihood, be your only opportunity to ever see me solo at this trendy Fremont watering hole. Monday. May 9th, 9PM, ToST (513 N. 36th Street) opening for Angela Jossy Friday, May 10th, 9PM, Caffe Bella (2621 5th Avenue) all me, me, me. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 11:40:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48FcMK02315; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ME5F3lcDniPmC/7lR3MGG1x+mOpQ7RjsCNoI2ZJdF7KMsWDnPrw9oucCHPnyD9snfIwVKRtFINHOZpVlrL00WX1QMkYGUkrqvxH7Foh2oy6KyfeHIOmcrfS7xx0bgIS0ZiL7Y+ie5BcvQwfW3WCJiJ3iYq7qY0CGMiauBn1dlSI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:37:21 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050508100447.10f19f68@m3ch.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050508100447.10f19f68@m3ch.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j48FbRx02125 Resent-Message-ID: <5oUPG.A.fh.3IjfCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I sit and think for a while, I'll be able to recall a local-level vocalist who brings their own microphone to a gig. But I'd have to think for a while. The idea that there's more people with mics looking for a looper than instrumentalists who need MIDI sync is symptomatic of the depth of market research utilised by the typical looper manufacturer. On 5/8/05, Mech wrote: > Looks like mono with 1/4" unbalanced and a single XLR input, so that they > can cater to the vocalist community as well; one 1/4" unbalanced on the > output. As you said Travis, there's not a whole lot of real estate > available there. I guess I can understand the business decision to use the > space to make inroads with musicians who use mics or micced instruments > instead. But being a MIDI geek, I'd just as soon see MIDI sync on there too... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 11:47:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48FjoA03882; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:52:59 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality To: Message-id: <002b01c553e6$05cafde0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01a201c55210$df2fe6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The thing about communities are they generally give back when you put something into them. Of course, what they give back may not be what we need or want. And if we expect something and we don't get it, then we will become disenchanted with the community. Am I saying anything original or new here? No. Is it worth remembering. Perhaps. Personally, in the past I put more effort into Loopers-Delight. When I discovered this forum in 1996 or something like that, it was a great find. It still is. I know I'm not putting in as much effort as I once did, but I feel proud of the things I accomplished in and through this forum, for myself and for others. I'm lucky for that. And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make, right? :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:54 AM Subject: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality > I've been reading the 'Andre appears' again thread here with interest > (because I respect the hell out of Andre and think that his contribution to > this community has been invaluable). > > Anyway, I hear that in the past Andre has not felt a sense of community or > support and that > Mark Sottilaro has not either. I feel sad that they don't and truly > hope that people support them > in the ways they should be supported (monetarily) for their contributionsa > to the culture > but I, myself, have come to understand that the looping community is full of > musicians who have eschewed > playing in bands and frequently don't feel a part of anything. Let's face > it, we have a lot of folks who > make a lot of music in their studios and don't take it out. I don't at all > think this trend is at all universal > here at Loopers Delight but it most certainly exists and it's completely > okay by me. > > I have to say this, though, about the notion of community in the Live > Looping world: > > There are tons of reasons for feeling cynical about the notion of community > in most of western civilization > (and please forgive me, Sunao, Erdem and the few others who aren't from that > civilization) but my belief > is that community is ultimately going to be the only way we get ourselves > out of the mess that we are in > ecologically, politically and spiritually on this planet. > > So I have to say that I feel really proud of all the people who have really > worked hard and sacrificed a lot > to foster community in the Live Looping movement: The Bernhard Wagners, > Hans Lindauers, Peter Koniuto's, > Dan Soltzbergs', Ted Killians, Scoots Galores, etc. > > I also feel really proud of all the live loopers who continually have played > for free and travelled long distances on their own > dimes to play the Loopstocks and the Y2K4s and the Berlin LiveLooping > Festival and the Firenze Looping Festival and the Cambridge > Looping Festivals and the Swedish Looping tours and the Bass Looping Tours, > etc., etc., etc. > > We had 50 artists from 5 countries in 4 days in 2 cities last October for > Y2K4. > > Everyone came and played for free and anyone who was here had a hell of a > time, hanging out; trading secrets, jamming, drinking beer and eating. > It sure as hell felt like a community to me. > > If there are many people on this list who don't want to feel a part of that, > I understand completely. I think Andre and Mark have really cogent and > valid reasons for feeling the ways that they do about a 'community' of live > loopers but to claim it doesn't exist just really misses the mark (pardon > the pun, senor Sottilaro) > > Making a community takes a committment on the part of everyone. > The more energy one committs the greater the payback. That's the truth, > so................. > > Come play Y2K5 or come watch it and hang out and meet some great people who > do what you love to do: LOOP!!!! > > yours, sincerely , Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 12:48:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48Gl1X14413; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=Hn6hIvaH54s1rL1cYDKvnyYSYl+42KCYtEBmqa7WlnBolLd/QGoSCj44ftzIl4IX; Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:54:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater V2 Being Pre-release sold? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--174875027 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050508015855.94006.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48addf148af08d60816e99c67843559b2c666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.115.19 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--174875027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed What sites are offering this? joe On Saturday, May 7, 2005, at 06:58 PM, Chiodos Mystery 'wich wrote: > Hi: > =A0 > I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of the Repeater 2 for=20= > $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd buy one in a minute. It may not be as=20 > good a device as the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL. > =A0 > Kapusta > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.= --Apple-Mail-4--174875027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 What sites are offering this? joe On Saturday, May 7, 2005, at 06:58 PM, Chiodos Mystery 'wich wrote: Hi: =A0 I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of the Repeater 2 for $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd buy one in a minute. It may not be as good a device as the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL. =A0 Kapusta < Do you Yahoo!? 1999,1999,FFFFYahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty = viruses.= --Apple-Mail-4--174875027-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 12:57:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48GtmI15654; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Remote-IP: 213.191.142.123 X-Remote-IP: 213.191.137.135 From: "ivan kapec" To: Subject: ODG: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:55:01 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c553ee$ae466ce0$8789bfd5@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C553FF.71CF3CE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <197.3dcdebdd.2fa15c8c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C553FF.71CF3CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Carl! If you still look for free mp3, playing on DD 20? I made some examples with that gear with guitar. You can check it on adress below: Best regards, ivan kapec www.soundclick.com/ivankapec -----Izvorna poruka----- Salje: RobotFan@aol.com [mailto:RobotFan@aol.com] Poslano: 27. travanj 2005 23:22 Prima: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Predmet: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? In a message dated 4/20/2005 9:58:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RobotFan@aol.com writes: Okay, enough debate. I found the DD-20 at www.geartree.com for $179 shipped and tax free. So, I ordered it. I'll post mp3s as soon as get my act together with it. Carl Well, it's been a whole week. I checked my "Order Status" on Geartree's website and it showed as "pending". WTF? So, I called them up. They told me that the DD-20 is backordered (you guys glut them out or something? *g*). I found that American Music Supply had them for the same price, no tax and "eligible for free shipping". I called them again and asked them to cancel my order. When I got through the checkout, the total included a shipping fee. Apparently EVERY item is eligible for "free shipping" as long as you order more than $200 worth. So, I called geartree back and got them to reinstate my order all over again. I should get my heart's desire a week from Friday. A long time to wait. I'm very anxious to get my feet wet on this looping thing! Carl __________ NOD32 1.1079 (20050426) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C553FF.71CF3CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = Carl!

 

If you still look for free mp3, playing on DD 20? I = made some examples with that gear with guitar.

You can check it on adress below: =

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

-----I= zvorna poruka-----
Šalje: = RobotFan@aol.com [mailto:RobotFan@aol.com]
Poslano: 27. travanj 2005 = 23:22
Prima: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Predmet: Re: Loop = Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4?

 

In a message = dated 4/20/2005 9:58:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RobotFan@aol.com = writes:

Okay, enough = debate. I found the DD-20 at www.geartree.com  for $179 = shipped and tax free.

So, I ordered = it.

 

I'll post mp3s = as  soon as get my act together with it.

 

Carl

Well, it's = been a whole week. I checked my "Order Status" on Geartree's website and it = showed as "pending".   WTF?

 

So, I called = them up. They told me that the DD-20 is backordered (you guys glut them out or something? *g*).

 

I found that = American Music Supply had them for the same price, no tax and "eligible for = free shipping". I called them again and asked them to cancel my = order.

 

When I got = through the checkout, the total included a shipping fee. Apparently EVERY item is = eligible for "free shipping" as long as you order more than $200 worth. =

 

So, I called = geartree back and got them to reinstate my order all over again. =

 

I should get = my heart's desire a week from Friday. A long time to wait. I'm very anxious to get = my feet wet on this looping thing!

 

Carl



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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C553FF.71CF3CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 13:02:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48H0rj17935; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:00:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cn2Dbsl8nTJeKLgG20wAGGeZfa2NPyYOzHZ3XC2XvFEiqMgBq7l/afzfGd58txJzxwH2GJMYLNZyR9xS+0A3E+F2Vbl8VZE3N5PQ46zsbwmo9q0YuecECRBKEzFLnHy+MdCms1n9PxVyvqv8nm4OZwu2xIQNVBPSmmnvYNb1mrw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:00:25 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater V2 Being Pre-release sold? In-Reply-To: <20050508015855.94006.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050508015855.94006.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j48H0Vx17820 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So where did you order yours from? On 5/7/05, Chiodos Mystery 'wich wrote: > Hi: > > I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of the Repeater 2 for > $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd buy one in a minute. It may not be as good a > device as the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL. > > Kapusta > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 13:52:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48HoTD26278; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:50:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <67.44874420.2fafab46@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:49:58 EDT Subject: Re: ODG: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1115574598" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9uIJyD.A.lZG.OFlfCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1115574598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I'll give a listen right away. My DD-20 is already on it's way and will finally arrive on Tuesday (almost three weeks after I ordered it). Still, any inspiration is more than welcome. Thanks again, Carl In a message dated 5/8/2005 12:56:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ivan@roccoipartner.hr writes: Hello Carl! If you still look for free mp3, playing on DD 20? I made some examples with that gear with guitar. You can check it on adress below: Best regards, ivan kapec -------------------------------1115574598 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, I'll give a listen right away.
 
My DD-20 is already on it's way and will finally arrive on Tuesday (alm= ost=20 three weeks after I ordered it).
 
Still, any inspiration is more than welcome.
 
Thanks again,
Carl
 
In a message dated 5/8/2005 12:56:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 ivan@roccoipartner.hr writes:
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Hello Carl!

 

If you still look for free mp3, pla= ying=20 on DD 20? I made some examples with that gear with=20 guitar.

You can check it on adress below:=20

 

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 -------------------------------1115574598-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 16:41:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48Kdug24159; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:17:05 +0100 Subject: Re: "hold note" function From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c553d1$2b7538e0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP On the EDP you can set LOOP/DELAY to INPUT so the pedal plugged in the FEEDBACK socket then controls the input to the loop. Hit RECORD with the pedal at minimum, swell up into the loop (remembering the time display you started swelling up and when you reached maximum). Exit RECORD with OVERDUB and swell back down again over the join. You could also try FLIP mode which appeared in Loop IV. VF-1 I set up something similar my VF-1s before Loop IV came out where have have the input to a delay and the feedback on the same MIDI controller in opposite directions. You can do something similar with the Lexicon MPX100. The ADJUST knob can be MIDI controlled. Both the VF-1 and MPX100 will gradually degrade the loop over time but this can be a good thing because it encourages me to pay a little attention to it and keep it evolving. Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 19:26:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48NOSs25902; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:24:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:24:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tr2C6Q2OO3fVqWged+daw9ywmOrTXgq8KoIIT6gZBTu4lKkVhf1A5B+A8M0rF2oSdx+PTyzvBGYaYvbSheMGsq0veG8PM/k15XXKsBSZ5Z5M+KcuN44ML1G4m6jJ01/yNKJ6YegJrrlKEvq3QsOucxvbZWb1fYYJy7fnx+Z/HKY= ; Message-ID: <20050508232310.4238.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiodos Mystery 'wich" Subject: Zurich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1700953281-1115594590=:4203" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1700953281-1115594590=:4203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii << i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig >> I'm thinking seriously about attending this event. Is there a link somewhere with any details? Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/6/05 4:22:31 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: and all the great posts and quotes and info... whats not to love? am i crazy to be happy reading my LD posts?.....perhaps it's not a TRUE COMMUNITY but i feel i have made wonderful friends here, from all over.....i could at this very moment be teleported to SAN FRAN and feel totaly at home with stano and matt davignon and rick and bill and all my west coast homies.....and ted and hans and mr. hartung who i got to spend a day with listening to many "LOOPERS" doing what i love!.....my hats off to mr kim.....thank you!.....don't let semantics come between you and REALITY (?).....it's about more than the music!.....i never met a looper i didn't like!.....i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig and hopefully meeting many of the EUROLOOPKINDERN.....HOLY SHIT!.....what fun!.....and mighty rick in JAPAN! soon spreading the GOSPEL-O-LOOP with sunao.....and zoe and travis and mighty tim to mention just a few.....such friends!.....THANKS FOR HAVIN' ME!.....mic --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! --0-1700953281-1115594590=:4203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
<< i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig >>
I'm thinking seriously about attending this event. Is there a link somewhere with any details?
 

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 5/6/05 4:22:31 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


and all the great posts and quotes and info...
whats not to love?

am i crazy to be happy reading my LD posts?.....perhaps it's not a TRUE COMMUNITY but i feel i have made wonderful friends here, from all over.....i could at this very moment be teleported to SAN FRAN and feel totaly at home with stano and matt davignon and rick and bill and all my west coast homies.....and ted and hans and mr. hartung who i got to spend a day with listening to many "LOOPERS" doing what i love!.....my hats off to mr kim.....thank you!.....don't let semantics come between you and REALITY (?).....it's about more than the music!.....i never met a looper i didn't like!.....i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig and hopefully meeting many of the EUROLOOPKINDERN.....HOLY SHIT!.....what fun!.....and mighty rick in JAPAN! soon  spreading the GOSPEL-O-LOOP with sunao.....and zoe and travis and mighty tim to mention just a few.....such friends!.....THANKS FOR HAVIN' ME!.....mic

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Check it out! --0-1700953281-1115594590=:4203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 19:50:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48NjTJ29559; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <021120052018.2867.420D130A000DB72C00000B3321979133639B9D0E039C9903@insigh tbb.com> References: <021120052018.2867.420D130A000DB72C00000B3321979133639B9D0E039C9903@insigh tbb.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:41:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Fripp and Frith Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0x24yB.A.nLH.2RqfCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:18 PM +0000 2/11/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > Scotland "Fripp and Frith at the Forth of Firth" Actually it's the Firth of Forth. Apropros of looping: like all bridges the Forth Bridge, which crosses the Firth of Forth at Edinburgh, is in constant need of painting. Hence the expression "a Forth Bridge job," which is one that never ends. Then there's the joke about the ship entering the Firth for the first time. The pilot, radioing in for instructions, was told to put in just past the Forth Bridge. Picture him passing each bridge in turn: "one, two, three..." Crunch. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 19:55:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j48NqZR31519; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:52:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050508100447.10f19f68@m3ch.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: brian tester Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:50:58 -0700 To: Travis Hartnett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cfb0214424eea999649176a89d694c0f43c108795ac450744df9533f324fb271848c73c0b76a8b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.102.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Look out for what is semi-jokingly referred to as "moan-wave". It is precisely kids 'singing' through guitar-pedal loopers and digital delays. This thing would be perfect for a lot of moan-wavers I know. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 21:07:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4914r718100; Sun, 8 May 2005 21:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:04:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sQnA43WDVIa2yNGcQDy9S1GCBGgQnL0LwKP5dgey4W0jNQw4A+PyK7W893wXsnrg+fnmGKD9oyGPWvlCfKuD9JCEpB3hwF1XDxwgD4WYtUTdAHPupOsaBYee2Xhj2PttH8bxPyuWRIJAjqeWYF7IAikhZtidkLJKCnTRgctrKjw= ; Message-ID: <20050509010339.40247.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6XxjRD.A.jYE.xbrfCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Balanced input from mic pre: Acoustic...piano, guitar, wind inst., ......you get the idea. ------------- Hey, speaking of idears, how about durring a live show, you pass the Mic into the audience, and loop/warp the un-rehearsed?? I can't try it, I don't perform. =R= Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 21:08:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4914pJ18090; Sun, 8 May 2005 21:04:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:04:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=Z7bX7pifN8D7oB9TcmZuK0z9hLdAHJlaZ0qr1RnhTVaw4cXuZJiUaNnmKd3lEvZM; Message-ID: <410-220055191715940@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tim kisses the kilowatts Re: Community Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:07:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d97c9eeacebd1dc7b91d70b1e0fef962350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.164.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I was making a subtle reference to this week's plagiarism (PAGEarism?) thread." D'oh! Clever, but too subtle for me! I don't quite "get" subtle... just ask my wife ;-) So in the spirit of the "other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play" joke, how did you like the show? ~Timbus Psychedelicus > [Original Message] > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Date: 5/6/2005 10:24:27 PM > Subject: Re: Tim kisses the kilowatts Re: Community > > --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > Herr Nelson: You were at my show? > > Yup, we were situated roughly midway between > (listmember) Dr. T. and (listmembers) Frank and > Cheryl... I even wore my LD t-shirt! :) > > > And... hee hee... you saw me complete the path to > > ground through the microphone, testing my own > > earlier thread? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttt!!!) > > I noticed the first shock, the one that left yer lip > a'quiver. EVERYONE in the room noticed the second one, > the one that caused you to holler "#%$@!" and do that > funny little dance as you soiled yourself*. > > > You shoulda come up and said "hi"! I'm very > > approachable, even when reeling from electrical > >shock! > > Now that I've blown my cover, I'll have to next time! > > > And I'm glad you liked "Astronomy," but I can't take > > credit for it. That's a Syd Barrett tune from the > >first 'Floyd LP. > > Yeah, I know. I've covered it myself, along with > 'Interstellar Overdrive', 'Lucifer Sam', 'No Man's > Land', etc etc. I was making a subtle reference to > this week's plagiarism (PAGEarism?) thread. > > > I adore old psych. > > Really? I never would have guessed! ;) > > -t- > > * no, he did not really soil himself. But the rest of > it is true. > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 8 21:52:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j491mip23795; Sun, 8 May 2005 21:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:48:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.3b8f941a.2fb01b49@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:47:53 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f0.3b8f941a.2fb01b49_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f0.3b8f941a.2fb01b49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/05 7:51:33 PM, btester@mindspring.com writes: > This thing would be perfect for a lot of moan-wavers I know. > > absolutly!.....i love the idea! --part1_1f0.3b8f941a.2fb01b49_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/8/05 7:51:33 PM, btester@mindspring.com writes:


This thing would be perfe= ct for a lot of moan-wavers I know.



absolutly!.....i love the idea! --part1_1f0.3b8f941a.2fb01b49_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 04:34:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j498W6301071; Mon, 9 May 2005 04:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 04:32:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.41] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp and Frith Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 01:31:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 08:31:01.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EBD1410:01C55471] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then there's the song about Good ole General Guinness ,who turned the firth o' forth into the firth o'froth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 04:49:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j498lqx04273; Mon, 9 May 2005 04:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 04:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427F23A0.2020006@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:47:28 +0100 From: Steve Lawson Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: ideas (was Digitech JamMan) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Hey, speaking of idears, how about durring a live show, you pass the Mic into the audience, and loop/warp the un-rehearsed?? I can't try it, I don't perform.<<< Then why not book a gig? Try it, you'll love it. Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 05:46:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j499jZD14333; Mon, 9 May 2005 05:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 05:45:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c5547b$c3cb0520$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <021120052018.2867.420D130A000DB72C00000B3321979133639B9D0E039C9903@insigh tbb.com> Subject: USB / MIDI Keyboard Controllers Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:44:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greets folks, Since my beloved Juno-106 is in storage and I've begun a phase of composition that will soon require keyboard as opposed to guitar/querty input, I will be soon in the market for a MIDI keyboard controller. Or will I? A scan of eBay shows a variety of MIDI and USB/MIDI keyboards, a few of which are intriguing-looking (example being the Roland PC-180), but given the comments people on this list have made regarding USB delays I thought I should ask before jumping in. What I want in a keyboard controller: * MIDI / Soundfont controllability * Compatibility with packages like Cakewalk and Fruity Loops * Velocity-sensing * Pitch-bend/Controller stick/wheel * Full-size keys (not like the minis Yamaha made) * Used (and therefore cheaper) * Small footprint (two octaves?) Of course the last item isn't manditory but it would be nice. Recommendations offlist if you think it's not appropriate. Thanks! Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 10:15:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49E8bW06191; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:08:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:08:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1115647591!13897424!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FF7@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:03:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5549F.E15E15E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5549F.E15E15E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>The difference is that the Fab Four never earned Pagey's reputation as a plagiarist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Beatles never pretended to have written someone else's song....<< not, certainly, to the same degree as page & some of the other blues/rock artists, but lennon did come a cropper over a line in "come together" which resulted in his having to appease chuck berry by recording at least one of the latter's songs for "rock & roll", post-beatles. & whilst not strictly musical magpies in the same sense as led zep et al, the beatles were certainly at least influenced by what they heard- byrds, dylan, varese, stockhausen, cage...... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>The difference is that the Fab Four never earned = Pagey's reputation as a plagiarist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Beatle= s never pretended to have written someone else's song....<<

not, certainly, to the same degree as page & some of = the other blues/rock artists, but lennon did come a cropper over a line in = "come together" which resulted in his having to appease chuck ber= ry by recording at least one of the latter's songs for "rock & rol= l", post-beatles. & whilst not strictly musical magpies in the sam= e sense as led zep et al, the beatles were certainly at least influenced by= what they heard- byrds, dylan, varese, stockhausen, cage......

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5549F.E15E15E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 10:28:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49EJKW08681; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:19:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dM4E4CFmoOF8d62G/Z4M4d4dJSjwyaktcVVMjen7sMDIMUYSdJp2LhqRt37NiF7KMxzFA/AcJE+/qO8g4ktGMGjaihRZvXCY0HEVcUui89XrsEXP7iwhZE5eUn4EEQV4PWoVHsIZVR7mAXPDxmANQkLFOTwVk9Sfhx6oMt84a7w= Message-ID: <588ce11d05050907187b63389a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:18:31 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB / MIDI Keyboard Controllers In-Reply-To: <000e01c5547b$c3cb0520$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000e01c5547b$c3cb0520$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j49EIWx08507 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm happy with my 2 1/2 octave Edirol PCR-30. Good keyboard and no noticeable delay over USB (except when I tried to plug it into a USB hub). I think the only concerns over USB delay are with Audio, not MIDI (but I'm happy to be corrected). Pretty cheap at around $160 new these days, so used prices should be very reasonable. On 5/9/05, SP Goodman wrote: > Greets folks, > > Since my beloved Juno-106 is in storage and I've begun a phase of > composition that will soon require keyboard as opposed to guitar/querty > input, I will be soon in the market for a MIDI keyboard controller. Or will > I? > > A scan of eBay shows a variety of MIDI and USB/MIDI keyboards, a few of > which are intriguing-looking (example being the Roland PC-180), but given > the comments people on this list have made regarding USB delays I thought I > should ask before jumping in. > > What I want in a keyboard controller: > * MIDI / Soundfont controllability > * Compatibility with packages like Cakewalk and Fruity Loops > * Velocity-sensing > * Pitch-bend/Controller stick/wheel > * Full-size keys (not like the minis Yamaha made) > * Used (and therefore cheaper) > * Small footprint (two octaves?) > > Of course the last item isn't manditory but it would be nice. > Recommendations offlist if you think it's not appropriate. Thanks! > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.medialinenews.com > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 11:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49EuZ515159; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050509010339.40247.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:56:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 14:56:02.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[37CB0210:01C554A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and well-overdue idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in functionality between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and love). I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all possible) to have multiple loops **of different and not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same box. I know some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 11:17:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49FDHY18865; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c554a9$9206c2d0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:12:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Repeater V2 for $499 some days ago... ----- Original Message ----- From: "jj 179" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? > > Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and well-overdue > idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in functionality > between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and love). > > I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all > possible) to have multiple loops **of different and > not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same box. I know > some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can > supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 11:21:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49FDZM18918; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:13:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:11:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FF7@lon-oxmail02> Thread-Index: AcVUoPRL05ksNQLcQp2r7YX8F7rkVgAB48RQ Message-Id: <20050509151148.WKGJ550.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <-0vE4C.A.miE.623fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>The difference is that the Fab Four never earned Pagey's reputation as a plagiarist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Beatles never pretended to have written someone else's song....<< Duncan wrote in reply: not, certainly, to the same degree as page & some of the other blues/rock artists, but lennon did come a cropper over a line in "come together" which resulted in his having to appease chuck berry by recording at least one of the latter's songs for "rock & roll", post-beatles. & whilst not strictly musical magpies in the same sense as led zep et al, the beatles were certainly at least influenced by what they heard- byrds, dylan, varese, stockhausen, cage...... --->And then there was George's "My Sweet Lord" (!) Also of note: something in the way she moves is a lyric from James Taylor-- And what about "Golden Slumbers"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 11:43:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49FdTI22981; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <000d01c553d1$2b7538e0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "hold note" function Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:37:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 15:37:58.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[13847390:01C554AD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another option (cheaper) available to you is the DIgitech Digidelay. as well as having lots of delay time, tape emulation and reverse it also has two ways of achieving HOLD. one is the aptly named HOLD setting which lets you sample about four second of sound and have it play infinatly over, you can also add to this by pressing the pedal again, I like this setting alot for drones and small drum patterns which I then multiply out on the DL-4. if its a prone you want you are best recording a blank bit first (juast hold the pedal down for a second then let go. then when you hold the peedal down again to overdub there is no "seam". the other option which I think is such a cool idea, is that the regular delays operate like DD-whatevers with repeats going from none to nearly infinate, but with the last o'clock turn being reserved for taking the new signal out of the delay path, this means that you can create delay drones till you get something you like , then hold it and play over rather then into it, then when you are ready , twist the knob again and play back into the delay.......wow!! Good luck Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface >From: "Mark Smart" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: "hold note" function >Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:23:48 -0500 > >Yeah, you could do this on the Echoplex. Probably the best way would be to >record something like 4 seconds of silence, play that back, then hit >"Overdub" >and play in your drone. I think it would hard to make the drone seamless if >you >didn't record silence first. Hit Overdub again when you're done. Then if >you >want to layer more stuff over the drone, use the "multiply" function. > >Before I had any other looping devices, I used a DOD DFX-94 delay pedal to >create drones from my Jerry Jones electric sitar. Eventually I mounted the >delay >pedal inside the sitar to make this easier: > >http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar.html > >The DFX94 has a maximum delay time of 4 seconds, which is just right for >Indian >drones. And it has an infinite repeat that you can use to play it back >indefinitely. > >Mark Smart >http://www.marksmart.net/ > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 12:47:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49GgKh00659; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:39:57 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: USB / MIDI Keyboard Controllers In-reply-to: <000e01c5547b$c3cb0520$0207a8c0@eluk1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <427F925D.8000308@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000e01c5547b$c3cb0520$0207a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SP Goodman wrote: > Greets folks, > > Since my beloved Juno-106 is in storage and I've begun a phase of > composition that will soon require keyboard as opposed to guitar/querty > input, I will be soon in the market for a MIDI keyboard controller. Or > will I? If you plan on using soft-synths or VST plugins, I highly recommend the Novation Remote 25. Besides a two octave keyboard, it has LOTS of programmable knobs and an X/Y controller. They are relatively expensive, but you will appreciate the knobs if you will be designing your own patches, or like to change effect parameters during performance, or want a more natural mixing interface for your sequencer. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 12:54:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49GkV501463; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FF7@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FF7@lon-oxmail02> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 09:46:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8QqtAC.A.1S.kO5fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:03 PM +0100 5/9/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >lennon did come a cropper over a line in "come together" which >resulted in his having to appease chuck berry by recording at least >one of the latter's songs for "rock & roll", I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage to Berry's "You Can't Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for Berry to make a big deal of it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 13:15:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49H9uB06232; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:09:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:09:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.212] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FF7@lon-oxmail02> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:08:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 17:08:14.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFD43490:01C554B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually the Byrds were influenced by the Beatles,McGuinn has acknowledged that he copied the electric 12string thing from George,who did it first-If you look at the original Byrds, promo shots,they have Beatle haircuts and mod london style clothes,they were a greatly influential band themselves-Tom Pettyy origianly seemed like a Byrds clone to me.But the Bealtes made friends with the byrds when they hit London From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 13:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49GwVF03274; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:55:48 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: USB / MIDI Keyboard Controllers In-reply-to: <588ce11d05050907187b63389a@mail.gmail.com> To: Art Simon Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <427F9614.9030906@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000e01c5547b$c3cb0520$0207a8c0@eluk1> <588ce11d05050907187b63389a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Art Simon wrote: > I'm happy with my 2 1/2 octave Edirol PCR-30. Good keyboard and no > noticeable delay over USB (except when I tried to plug it into a USB > hub). I think the only concerns over USB delay are with Audio, not > MIDI (but I'm happy to be corrected). Yes, even USB 1.0 is more than you need for MIDI. The thing about hubs is that if you have a mixture of USB 2.0 and USB 1.0 devices connected to them, it will drop everything down to USB 1.0 speeds. So never for example connect an audio interface to the same hub as your keyboard and mouse. I use a hub with a MIDI keyboard and haven't noticed any delay, but I'm not a keyboard player so my tolerance may be higher. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 13:18:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49HCJi06502; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:12:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427F99CA.9090409@biink.com> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:11:38 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5z9_wD.A.ijB.9m5fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com samba - wrote: > But Lennone did do something to make Bery some royalties,I haven't > heard of ZEp doing anything like that. I thought Willy Dixon took them to court for Whole Lotta Love and won. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 13:20:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49H3AU05379; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:03:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:03:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.212] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050509151148.WKGJ550.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:02:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 17:02:10.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6A76F20:01C554B8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Something in the Way.. is from the first James Taylor record- produced by the Beatles,I beleive it was the first release on their Apple label (the first artist owned record comapny),besides their stuff.It's a common practice in poetry to take one line from someone else's poem and write a new piece,there's nothing else even simlar about the songs except that line.I think James was doing that with tGeorges line.-White album came out in 68 ,James Taylor was later ,I think.The 2 melodies very different . Come Together,(which was written as a campaign song for Timothy Leary's planned run against Reagan for governor of California,( imagine if he had won) which was cut short by his being busted) sounds like a spoof on Berry the way Back in the USSR is a spoof on the Beach Boy's Back in the USA. But Lennone did do something to make Bery some royalties,I haven't heard of ZEp doing anything like that. Also of note: something in the way she moves is a lyric from James Taylor-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 15:28:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49JLOl30010; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <25729246786d3906b814161b622ab29b@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:19:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 7, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > folks using quarter inch unbalanced connectors. I'd think some form > of MIDI sync would be far more useful in the same back panel real travis, you don't understand. when will you "loopers" get it through your thick skulls that it is Harman International who really know what's best for you? they don't need to "research" ... that's for mailing lists and anonymous posters. you don't need MIDI sync because this is just for fun. maybe if you people wanted to have fun you wouldn't want MIDI sync. on a side note, i just sent this comment to Digitech using their handy web interface. yes i did sign my actual name and address: "hi. i'd like to thank you for asking the looping community what it needs in a pedal before you announced your new looper pedal. oh wait ... you didn't. i forgot. that's why it has a microphone input but no MIDI sync. thanks for making another lovely paperweight guys. i can tell this is a real winner of a pedal. i'll make sure to buy a new Repeater instead." --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 15:57:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49Jp6M02346; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:51:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:50:03 EDT Subject: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.25dda8bf.2fb118eb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d8.25dda8bf.2fb118eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To the LD list and especially to Rick Walker, I just got my copy of "Purple Hand" in the mail today. For some reason I thought I'd already gotten a copy of it earlier and was just ordering a spare for sharing. Boy! Was I mistaken! This is a whole different CD than I was expecting -- and I MUST say this is the first CD of yours where the recording quality is "up to par" with the actual music -- which is world-class BTW. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!=20 Since I turn 52 this week I think of it as a birthday present=20 for myself. It's happily spinning away on my home audio system right now and I am truly grooving away to it as I type Because they were mentioned in connection to a canceled DT tour appearance the other day I'd been listening to MP3 downloads of a UK electronica ensemble called The Bays=20 for the past couple of days. I was mildly enjoying their stuff=20 'til I heard yours. It blows them away!!! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_d8.25dda8bf.2fb118eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To the LD list and especially to Rick Wa= lker,

I just got my copy of "Purple Hand" in the mail today.
For some reason I thought I'd already gotten a copy of it
earlier and was just ordering a spare for sharing. Boy!
Was I mistaken! This is a whole different CD than I was
expecting -- and I MUST say this is the first CD of yours
where the recording quality is "up to par" with the actual
music -- which is world-class BTW.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Since I turn 52 this week I think of it as a birthday present
for myself. It's happily spinning away on my home audio
system right now and I am truly grooving away to it as I
type

Because they were mentioned in connection to a canceled
DT tour appearance the other day I'd been listening to MP3
downloads of a UK electronica ensemble called The Bays
for the past couple of days. I was mildly enjoying their stuff
'til I heard yours. It blows them away!!!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_d8.25dda8bf.2fb118eb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 15:57:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49JeZ900391; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dAJFbJWMX7Fg3lpkG/g7p4qOrQM79kPpXNbq47NJUXYOO0F7P/cNq7ykAwUxAXHraPgDCyaYSqjEOwQFGr5KJjrlX7REgTC0FDa162te7USsox1qhzvC/cVLUHwll4fH3DG/DZuzet3JY4MjQg1YijuAygn7izKbm9Kxrz44f7w= ; Message-ID: <20050509193935.67397.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: pagey that greedy devil worshipper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allright that certainly qualifies him as a greedy devil worshipper, but i still discovered through him DADGAD,Earl Hooker,Bert Jansch,Davey Graham,Memphis Mine,Johnny Mitchel,Roy Harper,Snooks Eaglin,Arabic music,Howlin Wolf,open C,John Baez,Jeff Beck,The Yardbirds,Donovan,Fairport Convention,the Kinks etc.! Cheers Luis --- samba - wrote: > Something in the Way.. is from the first James > Taylor record- produced by > the Beatles,I beleive it was the first release on > their Apple label (the > first artist owned record comapny),besides their > stuff.It's a common > practice in poetry to take one line from someone > else's poem and write a new > piece,there's nothing else even simlar about the > songs except that line.I > think James was doing that with tGeorges line.-White > album came out in 68 > ,James Taylor was later ,I think.The 2 melodies > very different . > Come Together,(which was written as a campaign > song for Timothy Leary's > planned run against Reagan for governor of > California,( imagine if he had > won) which was cut short by his being busted) sounds > like a spoof on Berry > the way Back in the USSR is a spoof on the Beach > Boy's Back in the USA. > But Lennone did do something to make Bery some > royalties,I haven't heard > of ZEp doing anything like that. > > Also of note: something in the way she moves is a > lyric from James Taylor-- > > > www.luis-angulo.com Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 16:09:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49Jrl902903; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:53:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:53:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:52:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Digitech JamMan??? Thread-Index: AcVUzBfESJGcbaQgSmmucPCdsu+B8gAAxqaw From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j49JqVx02566 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL...that is great!!! I was just thinking they lost out on my $300 and other peoples $300 just because they didn't do a little research to find out that Midi-sync would be a desirable feature to separate it from the competition. You would think that this feature would have at least come to mind when they looked at how well the "real" JamMans still sell for. This could have been a great companion/backup to my EDP, oh well, maybe they will get it right next time. Brian Walton -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? on a side note, i just sent this comment to Digitech using their handy web interface. yes i did sign my actual name and address: "hi. i'd like to thank you for asking the looping community what it needs in a pedal before you announced your new looper pedal. oh wait ... you didn't. i forgot. that's why it has a microphone input but no MIDI sync. thanks for making another lovely paperweight guys. i can tell this is a real winner of a pedal. i'll make sure to buy a new Repeater instead." --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 16:17:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49KB5T08942; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:11:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427FC36D.4090301@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:09:17 +0100 From: Steve Lawson Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all possible) to have multiple loops **of different and not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same box. I know some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :}<<< Yup, and I'd like a hybrid car that'll do 200 miles to the gallon, that'll fit all my bass gear in the back and has satellite wifi installed as standard, for under $500 if at all possible. Sadly, the R and D on it, let alone the manufacturing cost means it'll cost a lot more than that. It's probably the same with looping devices. So for now, I'm happy to pay for quality. I'd rather that than have people cut corners. Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 16:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49KCnm09232; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:12:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1115669074!20754461!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FFD@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:01:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C554D1.E5605180" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C554D1.E5605180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" you will let us all know if you hear back, won't you? :-) d. -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: 09 May 2005 20:20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? On May 7, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > folks using quarter inch unbalanced connectors. I'd think some form > of MIDI sync would be far more useful in the same back panel real travis, you don't understand. when will you "loopers" get it through your thick skulls that it is Harman International who really know what's best for you? they don't need to "research" ... that's for mailing lists and anonymous posters. you don't need MIDI sync because this is just for fun. maybe if you people wanted to have fun you wouldn't want MIDI sync. on a side note, i just sent this comment to Digitech using their handy web interface. yes i did sign my actual name and address: "hi. i'd like to thank you for asking the looping community what it needs in a pedal before you announced your new looper pedal. oh wait ... you didn't. i forgot. that's why it has a microphone input but no MIDI sync. thanks for making another lovely paperweight guys. i can tell this is a real winner of a pedal. i'll make sure to buy a new Repeater instead." --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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you will let us all know if you hear back, won't you? :-)
d.

-----Original Message-----
From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com]
Sent: 09 May 2005 20:20
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan???


On May 7, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
> folks using quarter inch unbalanced connectors.  I'd think some form
> of MIDI sync would be far more useful in the same back panel real

travis,

you don't understand. when will you "loopers" get it through your thick
skulls that it is Harman International who really know what's best for
you?

they don't need to "research" ... that's for mailing lists and
anonymous posters.

you don't need MIDI sync because this is just for fun. maybe if you
people wanted to have fun you wouldn't want MIDI sync.



on a side note, i just sent this comment to Digitech using their handy
web interface. yes i did sign my actual name and address:

"hi.

i'd like to thank you for asking the looping community what it needs in
a pedal before you announced your new looper pedal.

oh wait ... you didn't. i forgot.

that's why it has a microphone input but no MIDI sync.

thanks for making another lovely paperweight guys.

i can tell this is a real winner of a pedal. i'll make sure to buy a
new Repeater instead."
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C554D1.E5605180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 16:21:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49K8OO08583; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:08:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.232] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <427F99CA.9090409@biink.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:03:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 20:03:49.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[371D0040:01C554D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If he had to go to court ,that means they fought paying the royalties,otherwise it wouldn't hve gotten that far,they would have just paid up. I thought Willy Dixon took them to court for Whole Lotta Love and won. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 16:37:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49KRGh11430; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:27:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:27:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c554d5$8c628040$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j49KQJx11258 Resent-Message-ID: <3wFz4B.A.SwC.sd8fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To my knowledge, Willy Dixon sued, but the involved parties reached an out of court settlement. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 9. Mai 2005 22:04 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) If he had to go to court ,that means they fought paying the royalties,otherwise it wouldn't hve gotten that far,they would have just paid up. I thought Willy Dixon took them to court for Whole Lotta Love and won. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 16:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49KbUJ14708; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:37:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.232] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:36:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 20:36:46.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[D17D1FE0:01C554D6] Resent-Message-ID: <2g8lw.A.BhD.ln8fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah homage makes more sense than spoof. I think Lennon was honorable in the case ,either way.Interesting thing about Berry is that he was in an excellent position to capitalize on the late 60s early 70s rock explosion.He was working the college circuit and would just hire whatever local musicians he found , pay 'em very little,wouldn't rehearse assuming they'd know his stuff and would just launch into tunes with little warning. The results were often sloppy and he got the rep of being unreliable,or worse. He could easily have worked the stadium circuit and done really well if he'd just had a good band and been organized. I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage to Berry's "You Can't Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for Berry to make a big deal of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 16:41:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49KOpg11081; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:24:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:24:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.219.232] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050509193935.67397.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pagey that greedy devil worshipper Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:23:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 20:24:00.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[08D39B60:01C554D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good for you,alot of great musicians on that list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 17:13:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49Kr0618774; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SWoBwLb9GBQXN3a0IPFM/ehNNIBnfp319+ij7o1ivUeZ2qAS8LvQCNCS0FqhgftbLxN6sRUlDIbEWgy+NlJArhBRP8FDbmM3AsCaWWBML397XyRU+XZU4O2mbIyOqe+Nw0M0alF+vYWMU6ZUJYWNEsvti2hgrejAx8/zkF0644A= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:51:11 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j49KpHx18431 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but dude--6.5 hours of recording time. That's like, way more useful than MIDI sync. On 5/9/05, Brian wrote: > LOL...that is great!!! I was just thinking they lost out on my $300 and other peoples $300 just because they didn't do a little research to find out that Midi-sync would be a desirable feature to separate it from the competition. You would think that this feature would have at least come to mind when they looked at how well the "real" JamMans still sell for. This could have been a great companion/backup to my EDP, oh well, maybe they will get it right next time. > > Brian Walton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 17:19:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49L8LQ22425; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1pqFHPIAf2HFQgsWFO+j9MRvuMvBeD8LTGuA+UgxikfLBGule1euTT0kL6ZgnuHkl5CzQV5mrrq+NXpnGO4lxr0XIYD0rWlrtyE2TYYtG8QdPv2IL/OkJPS4y3ko3koSiET9D/8aJAE3dKaVEhGUy/KOHyv6Ge3Fy5smKao2+p8= ; Message-ID: <20050509210738.67904.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage to > Berry's "You > Can't Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for > Berry to make a big deal of it. Yeah, I thought the same thing about "My Sweet Lord"; it's not like it was lifted from something obscure, I think in both cases they figured EVERYONE must know the tune. Same thing with "Baby, Let's Play House" being recycled into "Run For Your Life", although I don't believe that one ever spurred a lawsuit. Wait a minute, Elvis DID try to have The Beatles deported, didn't he?? Regarding the Pagearism, what's up with that Pearl Jam tune that sounds just like a beefed-up 'Going to California', anyway? -t- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 17:20:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49LEXg23214; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:14:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:14:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bCPj1v0zYPhcjFmoSDSWXLQpYRXM0h9MUirGvnbgS+BnyB+1Z4bLrTsZT42N7sSooxBdKStJyo2eI9vk/9qUEaAFijUqHIRSYHqQKrx8y6klvxKUdyQg6bS1DSjHvavZiB0Zw/GjdyyIK6kJzV0dGcVwoHsVpJTcq/ft4OxfEUs= ; Message-ID: <20050509211314.69465.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: USB / MIDI Keyboard Controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeff Larson wrote: > The thing about hubs > is that if you have a mixture of USB 2.0 and USB 1.0 > devices connected > to them, it will drop everything down to USB 1.0 > speeds. Some (most?) do, but there are others that dedicate internal circuitry to rout the 1.1 separately so that a 1.1 device running won't interfere with 2.0 devices. I just saw a couple of them today while shopping for usb pci cards! -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 17:22:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49L6tV22227; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <427FCFA7.2020506@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:01:27 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Unsubbed? I Think NOT!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Mil3D.A.PZF.zC9fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How the heck was I unsubbed? *I* certainly didn't do it... Cheers, Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #424 for May 5, 2005 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:32:28 -0400 From: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To: billyfox@soundscapes.us References: <427FC79E.5050207@soundscapes.us> ************************************** * Looper's Delight Mailing List * * ------------- * * Submission Rejected Notice * ************************************** This is an automatically generated rejection notice. You are not allowed to post to Looper's Delight because you are not a subscriber to the list. Only subscribers may post. If you would like to subscribe, please follow the directions below. We are sorry we've had to implement this policy, but it is necessary to prevent the list from getting spammed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 17:24:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49LDE123009; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:10:40 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Digitech JamMan??? Thread-Index: AcVU2NNBdSUVnzHhRrOR+5LqS53xlAAAJXow From: "Brian" To: "Travis Hartnett" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j49LArx22745 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I do see the advantages of the 6.5 hour recording time, 3 things 1) Record your first set, loop it, and use it as your second and third set, as you pretend to play the rest of the night. 2) Record the entire gig using it as a portable digital recorder, then transfer it to the HD. 3) if it had progressive undos, which I doubt, that kind of record time would be amazing (I constantly run out of undocapability using the EDPs 3.5 minutes, when using multiple loops and switching bwtween them, one of the only things I really would like an upgrade on my EDP) (I also don't think many people are going to be buying a 2Gig compact flash card at this point, for this, that would cost almost as much at the pedal itself). But I do kind of drool over the possibility of lenthtly record/storage times + MIDI sync at around $300, this had SO much potential!!! Especially paired with an EDP. Looking on the bright side, I'm glad this $300 pedal can't replace my EDP, I would have been pretty upset for dropping a grand on an EDP only to have it replaced by a $300 highly portable pedal. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Yeah, but dude--6.5 hours of recording time. That's like, way more useful than MIDI sync. On 5/9/05, Brian wrote: > LOL...that is great!!! I was just thinking they lost out on my $300 and other peoples $300 just because they didn't do a little research to find out that Midi-sync would be a desirable feature to separate it from the competition. You would think that this feature would have at least come to mind when they looked at how well the "real" JamMans still sell for. This could have been a great companion/backup to my EDP, oh well, maybe they will get it right next time. > > Brian Walton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 18:26:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49MJAg03020; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:19:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <427FCFA7.2020506@soundscapes.us> References: <427FCFA7.2020506@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Unsubbed? I Think NOT!!! Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:18:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too got unsubbed once. Happened after my ISP had fiddled around with server spam filter settings. I used a different mail address on LD for a while until my ISP had cleared my usual one. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On May 9, 2005, at 23:01, Bill Fox wrote: > How the heck was I unsubbed? *I* certainly didn't do it... > > Cheers, > > Bill > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #424 for May 5, 2005 > Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:32:28 -0400 > From: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > To: billyfox@soundscapes.us > References: <427FC79E.5050207@soundscapes.us> > > > > ************************************** * Looper's Delight > Mailing List * * ------------- * * > Submission Rejected Notice * > ************************************** > > > > This is an automatically generated rejection notice. You are > not allowed to post to Looper's Delight because you are not > a subscriber to the list. Only subscribers may post. If > you would like to subscribe, please follow the directions > below. > > We are sorry we've had to implement this policy, but it is > necessary to prevent the list from getting spammed. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 18:31:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49MSN904927; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:28:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c554e6$52d88520$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:27:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 21:36 PM Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") > Yeah homage makes more sense than spoof. I think Lennon was honorable in > the case ,either way.Interesting thing about Berry is that he was in an > excellent position to capitalize on the late 60s early 70s rock > explosion.He was working the college circuit and would just hire whatever > local musicians he found , pay 'em very little,wouldn't rehearse assuming > they'd know his stuff and would just launch into tunes with little > warning. The results were often sloppy and he got the rep of being > unreliable,or worse. He could easily have worked the stadium circuit and > done really well if he'd just had a good band and been organized. > > I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage to Berry's "You Can't > Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for Berry to make a big deal of > it. In the late 60s Chuck Berry was only slightly thought of by the pop music-listening public, who if asked would most likely think of him as a relic of a bygone age. The surge in Fifties shows in the early 70s was sparked by the coming-of-age of people who were teenagers in the 50s, and, domino-like, the massive film-soundtrack success of "American Graffiti". Suddenly high school bands were playing 50s music again. I remember hearing Lennon's - well kinda his, huh? - "Rock and Roll" when it came out, wondering why the hell he bothered at the time, but also thinking, "Hey, he was a Beatle, he can do what he wants." So the story has it that Chuck would pay the band $1000 - this one corroborated by Bruce Springsteen, whose band opened for and backed him one night ("Earn that money, boys!"), no notice as to which song was going to be played except via the opening guitar. Chuck's detractors never mention that every one of his songs begins differently. It's the opening riffs that give the clue, and if you were thinking quick enough, and was a good guitarist - and knew Chuck Berry's songs - it would have been at worst a strenuous exercise in knowing your instrument, and knowing the songs. And at best you could say you played with one of the creators of Rock and Roll. One could say that the Chuck Berry shows might have seemed sloppy - but unlike Eric Clapton, Chuck never got nearly booed off the stage for being whacked out of his mind enough to screw up the opening of his biggest hit. Well, Chuck had more than a few hits, too, come to think of it. Years later I caught the tape of the Toronto shows where Lennon was on stage with Chuck Berry and (I think) Eric Clapton, and (unfortunately) Yoko, who caused everyone but John to just look embarrassed when she did her wounded fox screeching routine. It's a weird moment. But considering that Chuck's been ripped off by just about every level of the music biz his irritation is more than understandable, it's forgivable and in many cases quite justified. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 18:36:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49MXiv05845; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:33:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=N3y7gwQqyo7Jz6cFA1jlwfT9Jr22wuxBCn2H/0+D8f0ihc7Iu51aBR3sI2ic8+WzRKOvFhJBDwGly6RO7faKC6kiT6kpiE77lkZTD3bIWZR85jB3T2ELM+LQ5G46DjnZnCN7Of992fxdwfsRZoPvdRQZ+lsti/MqPdxtq5Q6qKs= ; Message-ID: <20050509223312.30384.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This whole business can get really silly i read Mrs.G. Von Zeppelin wanted a piece of Zeppelins cake as well for stealing her last name... If you look at a recepie and you can come up with something better using some of the same ingredients isnt that great? I still prefer listening to Zeps "you shook me" even though i love Jeff Becks Beckola (and is willie Dixons anyway)...is just the singing that didnt quite do it for me (sorry all you Rods fans;-) L.a --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > > I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage > to > > Berry's "You > > Can't Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for > > Berry to make a big deal of it. > > Yeah, I thought the same thing about "My Sweet > Lord"; > it's not like it was lifted from something obscure, > I > think in both cases they figured EVERYONE must know > the tune. Same thing with "Baby, Let's Play House" > being recycled into "Run For Your Life", although I > don't believe that one ever spurred a lawsuit. Wait > a > minute, Elvis DID try to have The Beatles deported, > didn't he?? > > Regarding the Pagearism, what's up with that Pearl > Jam > tune that sounds just like a beefed-up 'Going to > California', anyway? > > -t- > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 18:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49Mdn606888; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CMi4gvQ6bft4RKrAzo9x4R5UHBfAhjVG9WKTUV/zc9IHvQHePKMaPnKRU2HNj5wntabbhZsabqGylVhDBHv3o9Wbp3pGWQ2SxnsVM76yqMJsFWOcdDp9ikrN8o774TAgMHoSjJKkXyPwjS5rNjpB+YIo0VzL28HVpjZeYzAytUo= ; Message-ID: <20050509223900.67630.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thats it man! cheers Luis --- SP Goodman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samba -" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 21:36 PM > Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder > (was "here is...") > > > > Yeah homage makes more sense than spoof. I think > Lennon was honorable in > > the case ,either way.Interesting thing about Berry > is that he was in an > > excellent position to capitalize on the late 60s > early 70s rock > > explosion.He was working the college circuit and > would just hire whatever > > local musicians he found , pay 'em very > little,wouldn't rehearse assuming > > they'd know his stuff and would just launch into > tunes with little > > warning. The results were often sloppy and he got > the rep of being > > unreliable,or worse. He could easily have worked > the stadium circuit and > > done really well if he'd just had a good band and > been organized. > > > > I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage > to Berry's "You Can't > > Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for Berry > to make a big deal of > > it. > > In the late 60s Chuck Berry was only slightly > thought of by the pop > music-listening public, who if asked would most > likely think of him as a > relic of a bygone age. The surge in Fifties shows > in the early 70s was > sparked by the coming-of-age of people who were > teenagers in the 50s, and, > domino-like, the massive film-soundtrack success of > "American Graffiti". > Suddenly high school bands were playing 50s music > again. > > I remember hearing Lennon's - well kinda his, huh? - > "Rock and Roll" when it > came out, wondering why the hell he bothered at the > time, but also thinking, > "Hey, he was a Beatle, he can do what he wants." > > So the story has it that Chuck would pay the band > $1000 - this one > corroborated by Bruce Springsteen, whose band opened > for and backed him one > night ("Earn that money, boys!"), no notice as to > which song was going to be > played except via the opening guitar. Chuck's > detractors never mention that > every one of his songs begins differently. It's the > opening riffs that give > the clue, and if you were thinking quick enough, and > was a good guitarist - > and knew Chuck Berry's songs - it would have been at > worst a strenuous > exercise in knowing your instrument, and knowing the > songs. And at best you > could say you played with one of the creators of > Rock and Roll. > > One could say that the Chuck Berry shows might have > seemed sloppy - but > unlike Eric Clapton, Chuck never got nearly booed > off the stage for being > whacked out of his mind enough to screw up the > opening of his biggest hit. > Well, Chuck had more than a few hits, too, come to > think of it. > > Years later I caught the tape of the Toronto shows > where Lennon was on stage > with Chuck Berry and (I think) Eric Clapton, and > (unfortunately) Yoko, who > caused everyone but John to just look embarrassed > when she did her wounded > fox screeching routine. It's a weird moment. > > But considering that Chuck's been ripped off by just > about every level of > the music biz his irritation is more than > understandable, it's forgivable > and in many cases quite justified. > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.medialinenews.com > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 18:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49MpGO08828; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050509225041.45442.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: The Live Looping Community: myth or reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Doug Cox wrote: > 2) you mentioned a leader causing there to be > accountability I didn't ever say that having a leader would cause accountability. In the USA I believe it's just the oppisite as leaders and laws encourage people to blame everything on someone else or biology. "I killed you! Sorry, I'm crazy! Not my fault!" Anyway, I just felt it would be useful to keep flame wars down and keep things on topic a bit better. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 19:16:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49NE7b13358; Mon, 9 May 2005 19:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050509231327.3187.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? To: Art Simon , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_i45O.A.ePD.d6-fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, but it could be a fun little looper (and a sign that companies are still considering such things as marketable?) For that price I'd spend some extra and get the Repeater MkII and maybe upgrade my current repeater. Mark --- Art Simon wrote: > Here's a little more from > http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/JAM.htm > > "The original Lexicon JamMan's go for silly money on > the second hand > market. Borrowing from that famous rack unit, > Digitech has brought us > this pedal version. Utilizes CompactFlash memory for > up to 6.5 hours > of record/loop time (with a 2GB card), store and > save up to 99 loops > which can be transferred to a PC via the removable > memory card, XLR > and 1/4" inputs, 44.1k sampling rate, 2 foot > footswitches, loop decay > and fade controls, power supply included. > on order, expected arrival date 06/30/05 > JAM .. list $449.00 ours $299.00" > > Doesn't appear to have midi sync, which greatly > diminishes it's appeal > to me. . . > > On 5/6/05, hazard factor > wrote: > > Found a refrence to a new looping pedal: > > > http://www.free-scores.com/boutique/boutique-frame-acc.php?clef=55597&CATEGO > > RIE=999 > > > > Although nothing on the Digitech site yet. Found a > price for $299US on a few > > sites. Available mid June. > > > > Dave Eichenberger- > > > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 19:21:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49NIkh14013; Mon, 9 May 2005 19:18:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:18:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050509231820.83180.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater V2 Being Pre-release sold? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com URLs? $499 is a great price.. I think I paid $525 for my first Repeater. If it does what they say it's going to do (as they said the first Repeater would) I'd put in my opinion that it's a better device than the Echoplex. I've owned both and the Echoplex was returned within a week. Just didn't like it. Mark --- Chiodos Mystery 'wich wrote: > Hi: > > I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of > the Repeater 2 for $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd buy > one in a minute. It may not be as good a device as > the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL. > > Kapusta > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 19:25:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49NN2N14595; Mon, 9 May 2005 19:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ul0oqPfM6V2xgbdsZiSzdZactyfcAvXoJuOuxkbGx3zos0373gLxhJyodWwBYErOIQF62+jvy0oEmaR1DATP8DEBu7iIAcjBTdwW8PM8FEJ8imrxeYc1GnZ2N9XZKs+/hBajtHGA7EkfWQHqE//Xm4JAJ1NGibT5XYacjtvLLMY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:22:20 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: <20050509231327.3187.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050509231327.3187.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j49NMQx14443 Resent-Message-ID: <8Q-s0D.A.8hD.zC_fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's looking like a pedal that'd be pretty useful to me personally, as a solo looping acoustic guitarist who doesn't need to sync to an external source and would like a pedalboard sized setup for gigs that I can't bring my rack gear to, but I think they would sell more of them with MIDI sync ability. If only the feedback level could be controlled by a CV pedal, I'd be super excited. On 5/9/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > I agree, but it could be a fun little looper (and a > sign that companies are still considering such things > as marketable?) For that price I'd spend some extra > and get the Repeater MkII and maybe upgrade my current > repeater. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 19:26:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49NOIN14770; Mon, 9 May 2005 19:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050509232344.78739.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a man who syncs 90% of his loops to a MIDI clock, I have to say that often it's really fun and liberating to get off the DIN connector and let loose... That being said, I'd rather the device give me the choice like the Repeater or Echoplex. Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > If I sit and think for a while, I'll be able to > recall a local-level > vocalist who brings their own microphone to a gig. > But I'd have to > think for a while. > > The idea that there's more people with mics looking > for a looper than > instrumentalists who need MIDI sync is symptomatic > of the depth of > market research utilised by the typical looper > manufacturer. > > On 5/8/05, Mech wrote: > > > Looks like mono with 1/4" unbalanced and a single > XLR input, so that they > > can cater to the vocalist community as well; one > 1/4" unbalanced on the > > output. As you said Travis, there's not a whole > lot of real estate > > available there. I guess I can understand the > business decision to use the > > space to make inroads with musicians who use mics > or micced instruments > > instead. But being a MIDI geek, I'd just as soon > see MIDI sync on there too... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 19:29:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49NRI315194; Mon, 9 May 2005 19:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:27:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d2mpgZ63jkDysOVVGPthoLwL4QFxlibkeQplYd1ezd4JCtShA5Wr7KFNckvfvffEuQj52x9oOqcqoaap1KMVxpP2ReY/Nj43Gdk45FEe9v6VrTN10OW+Xdp+TAUd13jJM0ALBUXzzwthj0RltIjURxJ8j9XbSoOEOScZXkOUS4k= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:26:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater V2 Being Pre-release sold? In-Reply-To: <20050509231820.83180.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050509231820.83180.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j49NQox15128 Resent-Message-ID: <2W_ME.A.psD.7G_fCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish they (and other manufacturers) would implement a "MIDI learn" feature, where you could use a cheapo MIDI foot controller and define what each garden-variety program change command did on the rack unit. So, you'd put it into "learn" mode and it'd prompt you for some MIDI info to be input, you'd hit "1" (or whatever) on your MIDI foot controller, and then it'd ask you "What should I do now?" and you'd hit "Record" or whatever. That'd have to be easier than programming any of the "smart" foot controllers out there. I think tc electronics had a simpler version of this on some of their boxes. On 5/9/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > URLs? > > $499 is a great price.. I think I paid $525 for my > first Repeater. If it does what they say it's going > to do (as they said the first Repeater would) I'd put > in my opinion that it's a better device than the > Echoplex. I've owned both and the Echoplex was > returned within a week. Just didn't like it. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 19:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j49NSmu15403; Mon, 9 May 2005 19:28:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:28:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Repeater V2 Being Pre-release sold? In-Reply-To: <20050509231820.83180.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050509231820.83180.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 9 May 2005, mark sottilaro wrote: > URLs? Searching on Google gave the following two results: http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=30754&Category=Samplers http://floridamusicco.com/proddetail.asp?prod=electrixrepeater I've never dealt with either company, so I have no recommendation for either. I got my Repeater Mk I through a Looper list pre-order deal from Alto Music, and I wonder if they might be carrying the Repeater Mk2. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > $499 is a great price.. I think I paid $525 for my > first Repeater. If it does what they say it's going > to do (as they said the first Repeater would) I'd put > in my opinion that it's a better device than the > Echoplex. I've owned both and the Echoplex was > returned within a week. Just didn't like it. > > Mark > > --- Chiodos Mystery 'wich wrote: > > Hi: > > > > I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of > > the Repeater 2 for $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd buy > > one in a minute. It may not be as good a device as > > the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL. > > > > Kapusta From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 22:07:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A25VY08925; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=rvH+xZFQNkfX/EUfLv3zVhR5sQDa86iIuX8jcQEDlzF3fXB9aUZ+2Qmol8XqfcpD; Message-ID: <410-220055210274170@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:07:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ca39ed533d992bbdd3207b88592c3920350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.166.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "And then there was George's "My Sweet Lord" (!)" Post-Beatles, but I see your point. Great song, though ;-) "Also of note: something in the way she moves is a lyric from James Taylor--" Really? From which record? "And what about "Golden Slumbers"?" I dunno; what *about* "Golden Slumbers"? Clue me in... > [Original Message] > From: Gary Lehmann > To: > Date: 5/9/2005 11:14:22 AM > Subject: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) > > >>The difference is that the Fab Four never earned Pagey's reputation as a > plagiarist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Beatles never pretended to have > written someone else's song....<< > > Duncan wrote in reply: > not, certainly, to the same degree as page & some of the other blues/rock > artists, but lennon did come a cropper over a line in "come together" which > resulted in his having to appease chuck berry by recording at least one of > the latter's songs for "rock & roll", post-beatles. & whilst not strictly > musical magpies in the same sense as led zep et al, the beatles were > certainly at least influenced by what they heard- byrds, dylan, varese, > stockhausen, cage...... > > --->And then there was George's "My Sweet Lord" (!) > Also of note: something in the way she moves is a lyric from James Taylor-- > And what about "Golden Slumbers"? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 22:07:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A25JN08899; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:05:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:05:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FnQUS4++zY4ng4cL1gREpHO3gKzPi/+z5bIEI5KLEmOvriPZcTNiMoxzN/zFbNslnCJ5Cn6GtTtgOserG/wwiGXh4GzdKI/Xof1ULjd0IfYHsCj5DNxw1Y6zp65/TzS+XvyrVXxu8hpa1GZzSqvCipScAzi1pI0xUwPChKX8B6g= ; Message-ID: <20050510020449.66056.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Repeater V2 Being Pre-release sold? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0pSNY.A.7JC.IbBgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark what didnt you like about it? it is a very deep unit indeed but seems more intuitive live,no? Just curious Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > URLs? > > $499 is a great price.. I think I paid $525 for my > first Repeater. If it does what they say it's going > to do (as they said the first Repeater would) I'd > put > in my opinion that it's a better device than the > Echoplex. I've owned both and the Echoplex was > returned within a week. Just didn't like it. > > Mark > > --- Chiodos Mystery 'wich > wrote: > > Hi: > > > > I saw a couple of sites offering a pre-release of > > the Repeater 2 for $499.00. Not a bad price. I'd > buy > > one in a minute. It may not be as good a device as > > the Echoplex, but it beats the Boss RC-20XL. > > > > Kapusta > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 22:09:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A28Cv09373; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=aNcqFZT/9Em7EuaDtpQpp757JQY5Mgxeat8J4EAkOZG1FWQgiWYuz7sXaWyywE7t; Message-ID: <410-2200552102112380@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:11:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d0543d4e33c072d3f03b32fd66feb855350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.166.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage to Berry's "You > Can't Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for Berry to make a > big deal of it." What!? You mean Chuck Berry acting like an asshole!? Never! (LOL) I'm with Dr. Z... if the derivative bit is short and obvious and from someone well-known, it's a quote, or a tip of the hat, not theft. > [Original Message] > From: Richard Zvonar > To: > Date: 5/9/2005 12:47:35 PM > Subject: RE: Pagey vs the Beatles RE: beck the elder (was "here is...") > > At 3:03 PM +0100 5/9/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >lennon did come a cropper over a line in "come together" which > >resulted in his having to appease chuck berry by recording at least > >one of the latter's songs for "rock & roll", > > I interpreted Lennon's opening line as an homage to Berry's "You > Can't Catch Me," and I thought it was bullshit for Berry to make a > big deal of it. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 22:22:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A2J1d10820; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=A+ojaDpjOX3BkgAsgeZ40/1/jByhB4EKYU1gJIWhVoX3fU1pIvkKiObgxqryoHPk; Message-ID: <410-22005521022210870@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pagey that greedy devil worshipper Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:22:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a935a11c09d73d74349e6ffd10bae69a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.166.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All true, all true. As I said before, I can't stay mad at Pagey for long... he has given me too many wonderful audio moments over the last 36 years! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: L. Angulo > To: > Date: 5/9/2005 3:41:28 PM > Subject: pagey that greedy devil worshipper > > Allright that certainly qualifies him as a greedy > devil worshipper, but i still discovered through him > DADGAD,Earl Hooker,Bert Jansch,Davey Graham,Memphis > Mine,Johnny Mitchel,Roy Harper,Snooks Eaglin,Arabic > music,Howlin Wolf,open C,John Baez,Jeff Beck,The > Yardbirds,Donovan,Fairport Convention,the Kinks etc.! > Cheers > Luis > > > --- samba - wrote: > > Something in the Way.. is from the first James > > Taylor record- produced by > > the Beatles,I beleive it was the first release on > > their Apple label (the > > first artist owned record comapny),besides their > > stuff.It's a common > > practice in poetry to take one line from someone > > else's poem and write a new > > piece,there's nothing else even simlar about the > > songs except that line.I > > think James was doing that with tGeorges line.-White > > album came out in 68 > > ,James Taylor was later ,I think.The 2 melodies > > very different . > > Come Together,(which was written as a campaign > > song for Timothy Leary's > > planned run against Reagan for governor of > > California,( imagine if he had > > won) which was cut short by his being busted) sounds > > like a spoof on Berry > > the way Back in the USSR is a spoof on the Beach > > Boy's Back in the USA. > > But Lennone did do something to make Bery some > > royalties,I haven't heard > > of ZEp doing anything like that. > > > > Also of note: something in the way she moves is a > > lyric from James Taylor-- > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 22:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A2LNU11008; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O4Pd8SLbDaxdNKiT789GCqIaZ/V8a64jrOWQECDlWy2TSJadmBsHJZlZmIdkPdVo; Message-ID: <410-22005521022429290@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Happy Birthday Ted! RE: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!! Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:24:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401f847dc66cd0d0a5a062244268a055c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.166.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday dear Ted Happy Birthday to you (one of the first looping songs ;-) Your Pal, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/9/2005 3:51:35 PM Subject: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!! To the LD list and especially to Rick Walker, I just got my copy of "Purple Hand" in the mail today. For some reason I thought I'd already gotten a copy of it earlier and was just ordering a spare for sharing. Boy! Was I mistaken! This is a whole different CD than I was expecting -- and I MUST say this is the first CD of yours where the recording quality is "up to par" with the actual music -- which is world-class BTW. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Since I turn 52 this week I think of it as a birthday present for myself. It's happily spinning away on my home audio system right now and I am truly grooving away to it as I type Because they were mentioned in connection to a canceled DT tour appearance the other day I'd been listening to MP3 downloads of a UK electronica ensemble called The Bays for the past couple of days. I was mildly enjoying their stuff 'til I heard yours. It blows them away!!! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Ted
Happy Birthday to you
(one of the first looping songs ;-)
 
Your Pal,
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 5/9/2005 3:51:35 PM
Subject: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!!

To the LD list and especially to Rick Walker,

I just got my copy of "Purple Hand" in the mail today.
For some reason I thought I'd already gotten a copy of it
earlier and was just ordering a spare for sharing. Boy!
Was I mistaken! This is a whole different CD than I was
expecting -- and I MUST say this is the first CD of yours
where the recording quality is "up to par" with the actual
music -- which is world-class BTW.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Since I turn 52 this week I think of it as a birthday present
for myself. It's happily spinning away on my home audio
system right now and I am truly grooving away to it as I
type

Because they were mentioned in connection to a canceled
DT tour appearance the other day I'd been listening to MP3
downloads of a UK electronica ensemble called The Bays
for the past couple of days. I was mildly enjoying their stuff
'til I heard yours. It blows them away!!!

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 23:03:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A2xxJ20616; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:59:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:59:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050510025813.70953.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:58:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Durian Subject: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-674529983-1115693893=:69599" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-674529983-1115693893=:69599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I found this link a few weeks ago. Music 123 is selling it for $499 and they have a 45-day return policy. They list June 15 as the street date, but when I placed my pre-order, the email they sent me says June 30. http://www.music123.com/Electrix-Repeater-MK-II-i67294.music?match=1 Thanks, David --0-674529983-1115693893=:69599 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi all,
 
I found this link a few weeks ago. Music 123 is selling it for $499 and they have a 45-day return policy. They list June 15 as the street date, but when I placed my pre-order, the email they sent me says June 30.
 
 
Thanks,
 
David
--0-674529983-1115693893=:69599-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 23:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A36T922253; Mon, 9 May 2005 23:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:06:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Xg4G3KclrTG9ol0Tzk9Jy5i1h3usq+QW4LR4qflECYURrjREOyMdcaCV5BdKeI2xfiwIMTdhFYgru7/oVte9pzP9t7m7pt22KrkBQDJZWq6MWvytQ54AvTqNJi0LAlMX8DFj3iPCtVXKjoVgnceJ8cM/cYFEqX+enHEyRzuQAjA= Message-ID: <588ce11d05050920069d9e016@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:06:01 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB / MIDI Keyboard Controllers In-Reply-To: <20050509211314.69465.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050509211314.69465.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4A361x22028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can certainly recommend one to stay away from. I have an "i-rocks crystal" 4 port usb hub and card reader. When I plugged my Roland PCR-30 into it, I could get a delay of nearly a second if I played large numbers of notes. On 5/9/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > The thing about hubs > > is that if you have a mixture of USB 2.0 and USB 1.0 > > devices connected > > to them, it will drop everything down to USB 1.0 > > speeds. > > Some (most?) do, but there are others that dedicate > internal circuitry to rout the 1.1 separately so that > a 1.1 device running won't interfere with 2.0 devices. > I just saw a couple of them today while shopping for > usb pci cards! > > -t- > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 23:45:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A3i1P29791; Mon, 9 May 2005 23:44:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:44:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jpwSlZf1IXKSGsuWnWIoWwGx47hHxgIK/qDBcQku9OWFc0Q/viQmg4fHmkJHC4IYPGgQoshWxLXkhhAnDoWCQBSqjxfsm8iRDIab71VuQcSMvPybTLZU+KJZIFKgf1Jfj1SUZz0I1Jq93bUKXnZIs7o1LIZkrVzg2mfKoYoW0UY= ; Message-ID: <20050510034331.27322.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:43:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: pagey that greedy devil worshipper To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1434824813-1115696611=:26699" Resent-Message-ID: <71hUkB.A.hQH.q3CgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1434824813-1115696611=:26699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer Rising. Awesome... Timothy Mungenast wrote:All true, all true. As I said before, I can't stay mad at Pagey for long... he has given me too many wonderful audio moments over the last 36 years! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: L. Angulo > To: > Date: 5/9/2005 3:41:28 PM > Subject: pagey that greedy devil worshipper > > Allright that certainly qualifies him as a greedy > devil worshipper, but i still discovered through him > DADGAD,Earl Hooker,Bert Jansch,Davey Graham,Memphis > Mine,Johnny Mitchel,Roy Harper,Snooks Eaglin,Arabic > music,Howlin Wolf,open C,John Baez,Jeff Beck,The > Yardbirds,Donovan,Fairport Convention,the Kinks etc.! > Cheers > Luis > > > --- samba - wrote: > > Something in the Way.. is from the first James > > Taylor record- produced by > > the Beatles,I beleive it was the first release on > > their Apple label (the > > first artist owned record comapny),besides their > > stuff.It's a common > > practice in poetry to take one line from someone > > else's poem and write a new > > piece,there's nothing else even simlar about the > > songs except that line.I > > think James was doing that with tGeorges line.-White > > album came out in 68 > > ,James Taylor was later ,I think.The 2 melodies > > very different . > > Come Together,(which was written as a campaign > > song for Timothy Leary's > > planned run against Reagan for governor of > > California,( imagine if he had > > won) which was cut short by his being busted) sounds > > like a spoof on Berry > > the way Back in the USSR is a spoof on the Beach > > Boy's Back in the USA. > > But Lennone did do something to make Bery some > > royalties,I haven't heard > > of ZEp doing anything like that. > > > > Also of note: something in the way she moves is a > > lyric from James Taylor-- > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1434824813-1115696611=:26699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer Rising. Awesome...

Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> wrote:
All true, all true. As I said before, I can't stay mad at Pagey for long...
he has given me too many wonderful audio moments over the last 36 years!
~Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: L. Angulo
> To:
> Date: 5/9/2005 3:41:28 PM
> Subject: pagey that greedy devil worshipper
>
> Allright that certainly qualifies him as a greedy
> devil worshipper, but i still discovered through him
> DADGAD,Earl Hooker,Bert Jansch,Davey Graham,Memphis
> Mine,Johnny Mitchel,Roy Harper,Snooks Eaglin,Arabic
> music,Howlin Wolf,open C,John Baez,Jeff Beck,The
> Yardbirds,Donovan,Fairport Convention,the Kinks etc.!
> Cheers
> Luis
>
>
> --- samba - wrote:
> > Something in the Way.. is from the first James
> > Taylor record- produced by
> > the Beatles,I beleive it was the first release on
> > their Apple label (the
> > first artist owned record comapny),besides their
> > stuff.It's a common
> > practice in poetry to take one line from someone
> > else's poem and write a new
> > piece,there's nothing else even simlar about the
> > songs except that line.I
> > think James was doing that with tGeorges line.-White
> > album came out in 68
> > ,James Taylor was later ,I think.The 2 melodies
> > very different .
> > Come Together,(which was written as a campaign
> > song for Timothy Leary's
> > planned run against Reagan for governor of
> > California,( imagine if he had
> > won) which was cut short by his being busted) sounds
> > like a spoof on Berry
> > the way Back in the USSR is a spoof on the Beach
> > Boy's Back in the USA.
> > But Lennone did do something to make Bery some
> > royalties,I haven't heard
> > of ZEp doing anything like that.
> >
> > Also of note: something in the way she moves is a
> > lyric from James Taylor--
> >
> >
> >
>
> www.luis-angulo.com
>
>
>
> Discover Yahoo!
> Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out!
> http://discover.yahoo.com/


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1434824813-1115696611=:26699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 9 23:52:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A3o3F30974; Mon, 9 May 2005 23:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:50:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:50:42 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c55513$703aabc0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the 4th year, the PiNG, in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art, is featuring special presentations for the Deep Wireless "Celebration of Radio Art" (which is taking place throughout May). http://www.deepwireless.ca Between sets we'll be featuring live recordings from electronic musician, artist and radio legend David Pritchard's Deep Wireless appearances in 2003 and 2004. He won't be performing this year, as cancer finally took him at the end of February. He will be missed. http://www.theambientping.com/david_pritchard.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday May 11th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 featuring cheryl o, Ben Grossman, Rob Piilonen, Steven Sauve and Jennifer Gillmor This evening features live radio as part of a freely improvising ensemble. Experimental looping cellist cheryl o (quasiMODAL) is joined by the innovative Rob Piilonen with his extended flute techniques and treatments, the very funky Jennifer Gillmor on kamel n'goni & bass guitar and sound artist and Hurdy Gurdy Man Ben Grossman on short-wave radio/live sampling w/ effects. Ben will be pulling sound 'out of the air' in the moment to add to the unexpected improvisatory nature of the process. A new addition to the evening's lineup is synthesist Steven Sauve (karmafarm, quasiMODAL, Sylken)who will also be adding his creative textures to the night's improvisations. cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca Ben Grossman - http://www.macrophone.org Jen Gillmor - http://www.svdesign.ca/Sound-Intro.html Between Sets CD - "Deep Wireless 2003" by David Pritchard, Scott M2 and Byron Wong We'll be featuring a live recording from the "Deep Wireless 2003" event at the PiNG with radio legend David Pritchard improvising with dreamSTATE's Scott M2 and multi-instrumentalist Byron Wong. http://www.theambientping.com/david_pritchard.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wednesday May 18th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 featuring Anna Fritz and Alison Cameron with Stephen Parkinson http://www.soundscape-fm.net/userinfo.php?id=41 http://composers21.com/compdocs/camerona.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek A mild Wednesday May 4th warmed up the Hacienda for a night of laptop creativity at the PiNG with two contrasting yet compatible acts who ended up on a short tour of Ontario and Quebec together. Vitaminsforyou opened the night with a solo performance blending laptop textures, grooves and vocal layers with live vocals. A strong melodic sense and well-layered backing tracks triggered from a small Korg controller produced a warmly received first set that had heads nodding and bodies moving. Emma Hendrix and Graeme Scott of Vancouver's coin gutter soon launched into their own world of manipulated sounds. Voice samples from their laptop soon met with bass guitar through various treatments and loops. The set caromed from over the edge feedback to sections of quiet beauty and roiling beats, concluding with a short voice clip from John Cage. More info at: http://www.coingutter.ca and http://www.sfeericle-records.com/vitaminsforyou/ Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews The debut release by quasiMODAL is a prime example of both the talent and the collaborative nature of the music scene that's developed around Toronto's AMBiENT PiNG. Featuring cheryl o on cello, treatments & loops, Steven Sauve of karmafarm and Sylken on synth, piano and loops, Michael Keith (one half of MCF) on guitar, banjo, vocal stylings and more, and Matthew Paulakakis (aka Automatic Fats) on piano, bass, guitar etc., it's a veritable who's who of local ambient/improvisational artists! Showcasing a collection of pieces recorded at a variety of sessions, including a performance last year at the AMBiENT PiNG, this disc captures the sound of four brilliant talents perfectly aligned with each other in the spirit of creation. "Mr K Dreams the Truth" opens the disc with a duel of cello and guitar, spurred on by piano & bass. An improvisational tour de force highlighting the various talents assembled. Track two "Left of Spring" features a similar frenetic energy, albeit more focused, more directed towards the idea of spinning a tale, weaving a yarn. Building to an inspired ending reflecting intensity and madness, "Left of Spring" is a fantastic piece of aural story telling. "Luminal" plays along a more delicate path, a beautiful piece bringing to mind the calm untroubled flight of a butterfly, wind both aiding and hindering it's journey through the sky. Some very nice bass work in this one, very sublime playing. The amusingly titled "New Adventures With Buzz & Klik" is a brilliant example of processed loops, feedback and remodelled sounds all brought together in a seemingly random pattern that slowly builds into a form of reason and purpose. A beautiful piano melody dances along the edges of the track while drones rise and fall, buzzes whirr and click, and a thousand (or maybe only just one) other tones compete for your attention. What an incredible track! Now. Let us turn our attention to "In the Guinea Pig Cage". It opens with Michael's vocals backed by a slow build of piano, cello and more all rising towards a frenetic and fantastic swell that ebbs and flows for a spell before gradually calming and breaking into segments showcasing each member of the ensemble. I think this piece might well be the quintESENTIAL (quintiMODAL?) track, truly highlighting the ability of these artists to work together as a group & as individuals within that group. Truly a testimony to the skill and musicality of it's collected members. Without doubt, quasiMODAL is something special, something worth discovering for yourself. If you've been lucky enough to see one of their performances then surely you already know what I'm talking about. If you haven't, then this disc is a great introduction to their work, sure to make you a fan. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 00:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A3xo102127; Mon, 9 May 2005 23:59:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:59:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=a6z1FRWF62crES6AN8D5cbwULDf04K/2c8SEbJgynNp6moEUoHIfAwFpuOzrBkap8gQIGv2cdseVnFTyyVDk85qDbGzOpXWgn+OSQEu+EoKQEYLZpdvMvaa7epwWJT9tkSk/In11vyukxr7JE6Ky7k+QZThWdYbP+2CwPgaJvsc= ; Message-ID: <20050510035903.74174.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: pagey that greedy devil worshipper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lucifer rising is been remastered? wow i gotta get it! L.a --- Monica wrote: > Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer > Rising. Awesome... > > Timothy Mungenast > wrote:All true, all true. As I said before, I can't > stay mad at Pagey for long... > he has given me too many wonderful audio moments > over the last 36 years! > ~Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: L. Angulo > > To: > > Date: 5/9/2005 3:41:28 PM > > Subject: pagey that greedy devil worshipper > > > > Allright that certainly qualifies him as a greedy > > devil worshipper, but i still discovered through > him > > DADGAD,Earl Hooker,Bert Jansch,Davey > Graham,Memphis > > Mine,Johnny Mitchel,Roy Harper,Snooks > Eaglin,Arabic > > music,Howlin Wolf,open C,John Baez,Jeff Beck,The > > Yardbirds,Donovan,Fairport Convention,the Kinks > etc.! > > Cheers > > Luis > > > > > > --- samba - wrote: > > > Something in the Way.. is from the first James > > > Taylor record- produced by > > > the Beatles,I beleive it was the first release > on > > > their Apple label (the > > > first artist owned record comapny),besides their > > > stuff.It's a common > > > practice in poetry to take one line from someone > > > else's poem and write a new > > > piece,there's nothing else even simlar about the > > > songs except that line.I > > > think James was doing that with tGeorges > line.-White > > > album came out in 68 > > > ,James Taylor was later ,I think.The 2 melodies > > > very different . > > > Come Together,(which was written as a campaign > > > song for Timothy Leary's > > > planned run against Reagan for governor of > > > California,( imagine if he had > > > won) which was cut short by his being busted) > sounds > > > like a spoof on Berry > > > the way Back in the USSR is a spoof on the Beach > > > Boy's Back in the USA. > > > But Lennone did do something to make Bery some > > > royalties,I haven't heard > > > of ZEp doing anything like that. > > > > > > Also of note: something in the way she moves is > a > > > lyric from James Taylor-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 00:19:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A4I7U04695; Tue, 10 May 2005 00:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016c01c55517$2f693540$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: re: Purple Hand is great and the best thing yet from Rick Walker Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:17:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7JhZ4C.A.2HB.bXDgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Ted, Happiest of birthdays to you my friend!!!!! thanks for the highest compliment a musician could ever get: an acknowledgement from one of his/her peers. for once in my life I am really pleased with how this record came out and to have even one other person think so is really a blessing. thanks so very much for making my day. warmly, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 03:15:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A7Dop31297; Tue, 10 May 2005 03:13:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 03:13:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VLWUdAwnLPo9lWqR7jwvnxaPF9VpjWNQzzHCpvLcZ+ChnCrDcOhDZk/l8KmaIbOQ52XfOiL9gsdVifmBgZ7x0tftHdyo3Dgj4OtbB2AynmMLoDfsSZUqeiwjGv2asIjwiQEk45lx1/69p2eDCj13AaccDIk/dWDhvCVtu2j2sE4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:13:12 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pagey that greedy devil worshipper In-Reply-To: <20050510035903.74174.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050510035903.74174.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4A7DCx31136 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What was the name of the guy that ended up playing the music on that film. He was Lucifer in it - Bobby something??? I think he was hooked up with Manson at one point - Charlie not marylin :) On 5/9/05, L. Angulo wrote: > Lucifer rising is been remastered? wow i gotta get it! > L.a > > > --- Monica wrote: > > Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer > > Rising. Awesome... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 05:23:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4A9M7020020; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 05:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EStahoa/Lxa9mQpDGyivE8HtpDrQH/FefmrzL8KmExXyG9F7bv3256568zBt88Gr3m2OjqiYgLqMjqHyUGf6LnqUAqOwHdIkYudv3ZlszAaS7LSCF5QWZYI4carbKZ0qtK/ll7FR3kW/jhrAtz8zzG3ouRUUQ2Nl5dfCqsY0M1Q= ; Message-ID: <20050510092136.76589.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Bobby Beausoleil - Lucifer Rising To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-655406716-1115716896=:74396" Resent-Message-ID: <1lOouC.A.v3E.m0HgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-655406716-1115716896=:74396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It was Bobby Beausoleil who was in the Manson family and killed a drug dealer who substituted pure strychnine for the family sized mescaline order BB was to pick up. Had it not been detected it would have killed them all. So BB killed the dealer and painted "capitalist pig" or something like that on his wall with his blood. And stold his van - and was detected by police soon after at a highway rest stop sleeping in it - hadn't bothered to change the license plate. Doh. So BB got life and is still making music in prison though it's kind of icky new agey www.whitedog.com - and does a lot of community service with kids - and has a lot more tattoos - and found a woman on the outside who would marry him. Chris Jagger, Mick's brother, was to play Lucifer in the original film but somehow that bombed and the idea was banjaxed. Monica Joey wrote: What was the name of the guy that ended up playing the music on that film. He was Lucifer in it - Bobby something??? I think he was hooked up with Manson at one point - Charlie not marylin :) On 5/9/05, L. Angulo wrote: > Lucifer rising is been remastered? wow i gotta get it! > L.a > > > --- Monica wrote: > > Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer > > Rising. Awesome... > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-655406716-1115716896=:74396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

It was Bobby Beausoleil who was in the Manson family and killed a drug dealer who
substituted pure strychnine for the family sized mescaline order BB was to pick up.
Had it not been detected it would have killed them all. So BB killed the dealer and
painted "capitalist pig" or something like that on his wall with his blood.
And stold his van - and was detected by police soon after at a highway rest stop sleeping
in it - hadn't bothered to change the license plate. Doh. So BB got life and is still making
music in prison though it's kind of icky new agey www.whitedog.com - and does a lot of
community service with kids - and has a lot more tattoos - and found a woman on the outside
who would marry him. Chris Jagger, Mick's brother, was to play Lucifer in the original film
but somehow that bombed and the idea was banjaxed.
Monica

Joey <tentaclejoe@gmail.com> wrote:
What was the name of the guy that ended up playing the music on that
film. He was Lucifer in it - Bobby something??? I think he was hooked
up with Manson at one point - Charlie not marylin :)

On 5/9/05, L. Angulo wrote:
> Lucifer rising is been remastered? wow i gotta get it!
> L.a
>
>
> --- Monica wrote:
> > Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer
> > Rising. Awesome...
> >

Do you Yahoo!?
Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-655406716-1115716896=:74396-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 06:25:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AANPS30117; Tue, 10 May 2005 06:23:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:23:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20050510025813.70953.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050510025813.70953.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: No new features? (was: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:22:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I read up at Electrix' web site but could not find any new functions in MK II. Any one knowing better? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On May 10, 2005, at 4:58, David Durian wrote: > Hi all, > > I found this link a few weeks ago. Music 123 is selling it for $499 > and they have a 45-day return policy. They list June 15 as the > street date, but when I placed my pre-order, the email they sent me > says June 30. > > http://www.music123.com/Electrix-Repeater-MK-II-i67294.music?match=1 > > Thanks, > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 07:17:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ABBx906092; Tue, 10 May 2005 07:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200505101109.j4AB9qx05920@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: No new features? (was: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:09:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcVVSm+0MiK70kGzQb+uK9pD0PVzsQABjSMg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There you go: http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8489&Main=84 89#Post8489 For the lazy ones: With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements you can expect are: o Independent track looping control (can act like a sampler as well). o Initial Record direct into overdub. o Loop length pre-programming. o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will give you greater control over more features. o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The unit now remembers your setup. o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, metronome) optionally imported to new loops on creation. o Utilities menu for controlling system operation from the front panel, including MIDI channel. Issues fixed from System 1.10 o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. o Positive indication of muted channels. As mentioned above, there are additional features not listed that will be part of the new Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0. We have compiled the list of mods from numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our plans for the new product and OS are baked and any other suggestions will have to wait for the next OS. Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will be able to upgrade to the new OS. While it is our goal to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), there may be some hardware changes required as it is likely that Repeater MK2 will have significantly larger on-board memory. We will keep you posted on this as information is available. Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where can I get one"? We expect them to be available in July at select retailers. However, we caution that there will be limited availability and if you want one, you should visit your local retailer sooner than later and place a special order to secure your position. Lastly, people are asking "how much?". US Retail price is $749. Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep you posted on new developments as info becomes available. If you're interested in staying in the loop (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, we'd encourage you to join our email list located on our home page @ www.electrixpro.com. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: mardi 10 mai 2005 11:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: No new features? (was: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it) Hi, I read up at Electrix' web site but could not find any new functions in MK II. Any one knowing better? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On May 10, 2005, at 4:58, David Durian wrote: > Hi all, > > I found this link a few weeks ago. Music 123 is selling it for $499 > and they have a 45-day return policy. They list June 15 as the street > date, but when I placed my pre-order, the email they sent me says June > 30. > > http://www.music123.com/Electrix-Repeater-MK-II-i67294.music?match=1 > > Thanks, > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 08:57:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ACrjF23706; Tue, 10 May 2005 08:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:58:24 +0100 Subject: Re: No new features? (was: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it) From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200505101109.j4AB9qx05920@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4ACqmx23566 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if these new features will be released as an update for Repeater Mk1? Let¹s hope so. Jeremy jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > There you go: > http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8489&Main=84 > 89#Post8489 > > For the lazy ones: > With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements you can expect are: > > o Independent track looping control (can act like a sampler as well). > o Initial Record direct into overdub. > o Loop length pre-programming. > o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will give you greater > control over more features. > o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The unit now remembers your > setup. > o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, metronome) optionally imported > to new loops on creation. > o Utilities menu for controlling system operation from the front panel, > including MIDI channel. > > Issues fixed from System 1.10 > > o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. > o Positive indication of muted channels. > > As mentioned above, there are additional features not listed that will be > part of the new Repeater MK2 and OS 2.0. We have compiled the list of mods > from numerous user requests. Please keep in mind that our plans for the new > product and OS are baked and any other suggestions will have to wait for the > next OS. > > Many existing Repeater users want to know if they will be able to upgrade to > the new OS. While it is our goal to offer an upgrade path (for a small fee), > there may be some hardware changes required as it is likely that Repeater > MK2 will have significantly larger on-board memory. We will keep you posted > on this as information is available. > > Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where can I get one"? We > expect them to be available in July at select retailers. However, we caution > that there will be limited availability and if you want one, you should > visit your local retailer sooner than later and place a special order to > secure your position. > > Lastly, people are asking "how much?". US Retail price is $749. > > Hope this answers some open questions and we'll keep you posted on new > developments as info becomes available. If you're interested in staying in > the loop (no pun intended) for additional Electrix info, we'd encourage you > to join our email list located on our home page @ www.electrixpro.com. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: mardi 10 mai 2005 11:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: No new features? (was: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site > selling it) > > Hi, > > I read up at Electrix' web site but could not find any new functions in MK > II. Any one knowing better? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > On May 10, 2005, at 4:58, David Durian wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I found this link a few weeks ago. Music 123 is selling it for $499 >> and they have a 45-day return policy. They list June 15 as the street >> date, but when I placed my pre-order, the email they sent me says June >> 30. >> >> http://www.music123.com/Electrix-Repeater-MK-II-i67294.music?match=1 >> >> Thanks, >> >> David > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 09:37:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ADVfU30564; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:31:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:31:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it In-Reply-To: <20050510025813.70953.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050510025813.70953.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 9 May 2005, David Durian wrote: > I found this link a few weeks ago. Music 123 is selling it for $499 and they have a 45-day return policy. They list June 15 as the street date, but when I placed my pre-order, the email they sent me says June 30. > > http://www.music123.com/Electrix-Repeater-MK-II-i67294.music?match=1 Thanks for the link, David. Yesterday's post from mrweasel copying the new features thread from the electrixpro bulletin board included the following statement "We expect them to be available in July at selected retailers". Given the several reschedulings and delays for the release of the Repeater Mk1, I'm not counting on a Repeater Mk2 arriving in the month of July. (Note: I am not trying to discourage anyone from pre-ordering, but personally I am planning to be patient if delays are announced involving my soon-to-be-placed preorder. ) Is the Alto Music rep who was on this list when the Repeater Mk1 came out still around? Perhaps another loopers-list preorder is in order? best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 09:39:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ADYWk30894; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c554a9$9206c2d0$aa6410ac@net.berata.com> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:33:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 13:33:51.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[E70963D0:01C55564] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So ... quick dumb question ... will the Repeater allow you to have multiple loops of varying lengths playing simultaneously? >Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Repeater V2 for $499 >some days ago... > > > >> >>Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and well-overdue >>idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in functionality >>between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and love). >> >>I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all >>possible) to have multiple loops **of different and >>not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same box. I know >>some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can >>supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 09:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ADcSs31442; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:38:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:38:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:42:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Repeater MkII From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198580973_502976" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198580973_502976 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm temptation..... Music 123 in the States have one more unit left in the first batch ordered. Item number 67294 Repeater MK II I spoke to Roe on extension x1159 Sales 1.888.590.9700 =80 Outside US 1.856.779.6300 Looks like free shipping in the US. Cost $54.86 to ship to UK. Remember you might have to pay UK customs if you imported. Don=B9t know haw much this would be yet. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.music123.com/Electrix-Repeater-MK-II-i67294.music?t=3D1 --B_3198580973_502976 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Repeater MkII Hmmm temptation.....

Music 123 in the States have one more unit left in the first batch ordered.=
Item number 67294          &nb= sp; Repeater MK II

I spoke to Roe on extension x1159
Sales 1.888.590.9700  • Outside US 1.856.779.6300

Looks like free shipping in the US. Cost $54.86 to ship to UK.
Remember you might have to pay UK customs if you imported.
Don’t know haw much this would be yet.

Best wishes

Jeremy


= http://www.music123.com/Electrix-Repeater-MK-II-i67294.music?t=3D1

 --B_3198580973_502976-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 10:00:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ADuGd02242; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:23:17 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? To: jj 179 , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c701c55567$7c07b700$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jj 179 wrote: > I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all > possible) to have multiple loops **of different and not-necessarily-related > lengths** looping together in the same box. I know some of the more > expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can supposedly do this, but > boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} Not to sound like a broken record (although I couldn't imagine a more accepting community for doing so) but... The Boss DD-20 will get two asynchronous loops going quite easily. By switching between any two user-defined presets, you could have two asynchronous loops at a time. Since the DD-20 costs under $200 in US stores, you could have four asynchronous loops (in two boxes) for under $400 US. Use the Pan mode, and you could have four *pairs* of asynchronous loops with up to 46 seconds per loop. And the DD-20 stays in amazing sync with itself. I've been using two since February 05 and have developed whole new pieces based on the two percolating away at simple ratios of each other, remaining in sync for ten-twenty minutes at a time. No MIDI though. And speaking of MIDI, my quaint and non-technical understanding of such things tells me that MIDI-synced variable-speed audio delay is the Holy Grail of FX engineering. We're probably going to have to wait until some new code is established before a looper/delay with synching capabilities will sell for under $500. Otherwise they'd be added as easily as LCDs and Stereo outputs. dB, el Coyote ps - What happened to Smoke Stick Devil? What happened to that grumpy classical guitarist? And does anyone remember the "anti-Miko" who irrationally replied to anyone's post with expletives? How about Robert Fripp's close pal Terry Blankenship? Who was YOUR favorite flame-maker? Collect 'em all! Trade 'em with your friends! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 10:07:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AE44H06391; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:04:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4280BF27.2080601@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:03:19 +0100 From: "steve@steve-lawson.co.uk" Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: upcoming Steve Lawson gigs, London and Petersfield References: <200505100307.j4A37rL22672@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200505100307.j4A37rL22672@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Looping peoples news about a couple of upcoming solo gigs in London and Petersfield in a couple of weeks time - Wed. 25th May - Darbucka, 182 St John Street, Clerkenwell, London EC1 4JZ - solo gig, with special guests (Theo Travis and Cleveland Watkiss - subject to change) - £5 on the door, doors open 7pm. The venue does great food, so come for dinner too! call 020 8361 1190 for more info and ticket reservations. Thurs. 26th May - Traders, Petersfield, Hampshire - Solo gig with a Q&A/Workshop/Masterclass thingie before-hand (looping related discussion most welcome here). £10 for gig and masterclass together (Starts 7pm) £6 just for the gig (starts 8.30pm) call 07931-370110 for more info and ticket reservations. Hope you can be there - please bring friends and tell anyone who might be interested about the shows. I'm also interviewed in Bass Inside e-zine this month - see www.bassinside.com for more on that. other useful weblinks for today - www.darbucka.com (london venue), www.stiffpromotions.co.uk (Petersfield promoter), www.stevelawson.net (me) www.stevelawson.com (not me, a real estate agent in the mid-western US) see you soon! Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 10:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AE0im05265; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:00:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Jamman for Sale Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:55:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Jamman for Sale Thread-Index: AcVVXs7Idz/qP3EzR8ueJDlIEtvZpwACMxxA From: "Reinaldo Perez" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4ADxsx04909 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a Jamman with the full memory upgrade, dual control footswitch and owner's manual that I'd like to sell. Asking price $350 plus shipping. If interested, contact Reni Perez at reniperez@yahoo.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 10:13:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AE7Si07649; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4280BFD3.9010504@biink.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:06:11 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) References: <427F99CA.9090409@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <427F99CA.9090409@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > samba - wrote: > >> But Lennone did do something to make Bery some royalties,I haven't >> heard of ZEp doing anything like that. > > > I thought Willy Dixon took them to court for Whole Lotta Love and won. > http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/Zep/WholeLottaLove.html http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/Zep/Originals.html http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 10:23:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AEJ7m10129; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Bobby Beausoleil - Lucifer Rising Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:18:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C55530.66D3B9B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050510092136.76589.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcVVQmfxJ5Xm9s14Roy+Em8fpAwzzAAKJXgA Message-Id: <20050510141807.UXTU20235.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C55530.66D3B9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bobby plays the Ztar-but does he loop? Gary _____ From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:22 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bobby Beausoleil - Lucifer Rising It was Bobby Beausoleil who was in the Manson family and killed a drug dealer who substituted pure strychnine for the family sized mescaline order BB was to pick up. Had it not been detected it would have killed them all. So BB killed the dealer and painted "capitalist pig" or something like that on his wall with his blood. And stold his van - and was detected by police soon after at a highway rest stop sleeping in it - hadn't bothered to change the license plate. Doh. So BB got life and is still making music in prison though it's kind of icky new agey www.whitedog.com - and does a lot of community service with kids - and has a lot more tattoos - and found a woman on the outside who would marry him. Chris Jagger, Mick's brother, was to play Lucifer in the original film but somehow that bombed and the idea was banjaxed. Monica Joey wrote: What was the name of the guy that ended up playing the music on that film. He was Lucifer in it - Bobby something??? I think he was hooked up with Manson at one point - Charlie not marylin :) On 5/9/05, L. Angulo wrote: > Lucifer rising is been remastered? wow i gotta get it! > L.a > > > --- Monica wrote: > > Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer > > Rising. Awesome... > > _____ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C55530.66D3B9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bobby plays the Ztar—but does = he loop?

Gary

 

From: = Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, = 2005 2:22 AM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Bobby = Beausoleil - Lucifer Rising

 

It was Bobby Beausoleil who was in the Manson family and killed = a drug dealer who

substituted pure strychnine for the family sized mescaline order = BB was to pick up.

Had it not been detected it would have killed them all. So BB = killed the dealer and

painted "capitalist pig" or something like that on his = wall with his blood.

And stold his van - and was detected by police soon after at a = highway rest stop sleeping

in it - hadn't bothered to change the license plate. Doh. So BB = got life and is still making

music in prison though it's kind of icky new agey www.whitedog.com - and does a lot = of

community service with kids - and has a lot more tattoos - and = found a woman on the outside

who would marry him. Chris Jagger, Mick's brother, was to play = Lucifer in the original film

but somehow that bombed and the idea was banjaxed. =

Monica

Joey <tentaclejoe@gmail.com> wrote:

What was the = name of the guy that ended up playing the music on that
film. He was Lucifer in it - Bobby something??? I think he was = hooked
up with Manson at one point - Charlie not marylin :)

On 5/9/05, L. Angulo wrote:
> Lucifer rising is been remastered? wow i gotta get it!
> L.a
>
>
> --- Monica wrote:
> > Like the digitally remastered re-release of Lucifer
> > Rising. Awesome...
> >

Do you Yahoo!?
Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C55530.66D3B9B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 10:24:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AEHgH09716; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:17:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 16 second MKII questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-Rfy9D.A.EWC.fJMgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So I finally broke down (plus I couldn't find my DL4) and dragged out the EH16 reissue from it's box last night as I needed to rehearse live loops for an upcoming show. While I still find the fact that the unit itself must be the master of the tempo (which I find infuriating) I gave up on the click entirely and hooked up my trusty Korg ER1 and lo and behold after a few tries I was able to USE the damn thing. A few quick questions for those that use this pedal regularly: 1. Is there any way to delete the current loop without setting feedback to zero and hitting record for a measure? 2. I stumbled on some bypass/play system that still sent midi clock out to the drum machine and had it running but made the EH16 itself silent. I tried it a few different ways after and didn't get it again, what's the magic button push to do this. How do you then STOP everything is that's what you want? 3. I didn't play with the delay portion last night but I rmemeber that was the main things I found cool about this. Using the Sweep and Depth in looping mode was kind of dissappointing (I can get warbles any number of ways). Am I missing some secret that makes that ultra cool? 4. I would really like the reverse function on a button but looking at the additional footcontrol there doesn't seem to be that much there that is interesting and the layout seems a bit goofy so I'm not dying to buy the FC just for that. Truth be told I'm still smarting from the fact that these are now $300 NEW and when they came out there was all the hype that is was a "limited edition" and list was over $700 with people paying that. I'll get over my bitterness on that but I still dont' really want to shell out $120 for an empty box with switches I don't need. Has anyone made a simple foot controller for this? Is there a simple way to get the reverse function only on a speparate pedal? Any help appreciated. Thanks PS: For those in Phila area I'll be playing a new show June 18th as a duo (Synth guitar/Acoustic Violin). Check out my website or email for details. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 11:05:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AEkRd17844; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c5556f$0cda6fa0$9eb01345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <00c701c55567$7c07b700$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:46:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a thought... I think if Digitech can make a compact flash based looping device that stores etc, we should be damned happy. Another entry into the floor pedal based looper market. I'm down for one of those DD-20's also... From: "Douglas Baldwin" > ps - What happened.... ... And does anyone remember the "anti-Miko" who > irrationally replied to anyone's post with expletives? Wow... I somehow missed this episode? Nice to know I have an antithesis out there somewhere! (You sure it wasn't that crazy Klobuchar?) MikoNOTMichael (Biffoz) "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 11:11:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AF4r523287; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:04:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4280CD68.3080102@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:04:08 -0400 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 second MKII questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7D5riD.A.hqF.91MgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Legion wrote: >3. I didn't play with the delay portion last night but I rmemeber that was >the main things I found cool about this. Using the Sweep and Depth in >looping mode was kind of dissappointing (I can get warbles any number of >ways). Am I missing some secret that makes that ultra cool? > > > I was once working with a vocalist who was intoning "Have you been naughty or have you been nice?" I caught that in a loop. With the Sweep set so that it did *not* match up with the length of the loop, a different word was emphasized each time around. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 11:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AF3Hr23108; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: The Fool Button Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:02:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <00c701c55567$7c07b700$9715be18@oemcomputer> Thread-Index: AcVVaFm2AesI35L3QsiGoA2W6EmAhwABJWCw Message-Id: <20050510150214.CMWO550.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dB, el Coyote wrote: ps - What happened to Smoke Stick Devil? What happened to that grumpy classical guitarist? And does anyone remember the "anti-Miko" who irrationally replied to anyone's post with expletives? How about Robert Fripp's close pal Terry Blankenship? Who was YOUR favorite flame-maker? Collect 'em all! Trade 'em with your friends! ---> That would be--me! http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00347.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 11:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AFXnM27868; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c55575$792687b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <4280CD68.3080102@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: EH 16 second MKII questions Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:32:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "John McIntyre" : > Legion wrote: > >>3. I didn't play with the delay portion last night but I rmemeber that was >>the main things I found cool about this. Using the Sweep and Depth in >>looping mode was kind of dissappointing (I can get warbles any number of >>ways). Am I missing some secret that makes that ultra cool? > I was once working with a vocalist who was intoning "Have you been naughty > or have you been nice?" > I caught that in a loop. With the Sweep set so that it did *not* match up > with the length of the loop, > a different word was emphasized each time around. "What are we gonna DO?" "What are we GONNA do?" "What are WE gonna do?" "What ARE we gonna do?" "WHAT are we gonna do?" - paraphrased, from the Firesign Theatre's "Don't Crush that Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers" :) Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 12:00:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AFs7m31017; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:54:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:54:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eMpFIm3oG+xONePqP/JF3enjFN99ymyjpHTlIY+bd94WFGpExMQfpfDIz8M6+JDkHfEjCpEAk3DcFlF31+5BkSLfzQFgy3UKc15dmYC57WpALN6g55lSKZSyyeEQcFXUbJ+npHs/oD5YzVAe29HfE1syjdbUF0nYXCe8RmkaZ+8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:53:38 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping in Scotland? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4AFrjx30842 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any loopers in Scotland? Please contact me off list: tiktok@sprintmail.com. Thanks! Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 12:23:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AGA4B02516; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:10:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:10:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:52:16 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: USB / MIDI Keyboard Controllers In-reply-to: <588ce11d05050920069d9e016@mail.gmail.com> To: Art Simon Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4280D8B0.7030805@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050509211314.69465.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d05050920069d9e016@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1kQvkB.A.Rk.wxNgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Art Simon wrote: > I can certainly recommend one to stay away from. I have an "i-rocks > crystal" 4 port usb hub and card reader. When I plugged my Roland > PCR-30 into it, I could get a delay of nearly a second if I played > large numbers of notes. Wow, that sounds like a design problem. Hubs generally don't add that level of delay. Does it have it's own power supply? Non-powered hubs can cause problems if you try to connect power hungry devices to them, basically anything other than a keyboard or mouse. For a MIDI keyboard drawing power from the USB cable you would certainly want a powered hub. I have a generic cheapo hub from Fry's that works fine to my ears, but it is powered. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 12:29:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AGLMv04057; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1115742033!6777441!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A007@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:17:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5557B.C3E1CA20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>"And what about "Golden Slumbers"?= "

I dunno; what *about* "Golden Slumbers"? Clue m= e in...<<

mccartney reputedly lifted the words, but not the music, = because he couldn't read it, from something he'd been fond of as a child. I= could check the exact details (lewissohn or mcdonald are the best referenc= es on beatles stuff) but it should suffice for this discussion that they ar= e non-original lyrics on a beatles album.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5557B.C3E1CA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 12:41:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AGZZD06971; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:15:22 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? To: Miko Biffle , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011201c5557e$730d0300$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004501c5556f$0cda6fa0$9eb01345@Biffoz> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > ps - What happened.... ... And does anyone remember the "anti-Miko" > who > > irrationally replied to anyone's post with expletives? > > Wow... I somehow missed this episode? Nice to know I have an antithesis out > there somewhere! (You sure it wasn't that crazy Klobuchar?) No Miko, it was during some period when you had bailed out for a little while. The dude's name was Miko, as I recall, because I thought it was you and that you'd had some kind of major psychotic break (!!!) I remember specifically ignoring him (as I try to do with any of these evil clowns that show up from time to time) and when I replied to someone else, specifically helping them with something or other, he simply copied my post and wrote F%$# YOU at the end. Oh, how I long for those days! Not. dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 13:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AGxnD13919; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:59:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ATvejlccXaH32awXE7otwsmp6SLx3s27ezQQgyhZXnSPYfQTqyoaWCOu3mc2g2zvkRFnRj5/63L+mLZzHFnM9YoTswzCagTQAyJDc/kpJzSlDnQsjFyBFLxsG4ExO3UGx5s39pGzhdelOHYRnexPB0v1I7lmG5TJ5MRXqNfX7tk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:52:13 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A007@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A007@lon-oxmail02> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4AGwwx12129 Resent-Message-ID: <-nZ1OC.A.79C.ThOgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.iamthebeatles.com/article1158.html Golden Slumbers One day while Paul was visiting his father at his Cheshire home, he began playing the piano, and looked through a songbook that belonged to his stepsister, Ruth. (His father, James had remarried by this time.) In this book he came across a traditional lullaby by Thomas Dekker from the 17th century. But, as he was unable to read music, he began to make up his own melody and new lyrics, and Golden Slumbers was born. Once there was a way, to get back homeward, Once there was a way, to get back home Sleep pretty darling do not cry, and I will sing a lullaby Golden slumbers fill your eyes, smiles awake you when you rise Sleep pretty darling do not cry, and I will sing a lullaby Once there was a way, to get back homeward, Once there was a way, to get back home Sleep pretty darling do not cry, and I will sing a lullaby On 5/10/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>"And what about "Golden Slumbers"?" > > I dunno; what *about* "Golden Slumbers"? Clue me in...<< > > mccartney reputedly lifted the words, but not the music, because he couldn't > read it, from something he'd been fond of as a child. I could check the > exact details (lewissohn or mcdonald are the best references on beatles > stuff) but it should suffice for this discussion that they are non-original > lyrics on a beatles album. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 13:08:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AH51F15212; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:04:27 EDT Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Ted! RE: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e2.133a43f9.2fb2439b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e2.133a43f9.2fb2439b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Tim! A few more of these and we can call it an internet birthday party!!! I was reading one of your posts (I believe) the other day and you made mention of some early Syd Barrett/Pink Floyd pieces you played. I'm another fan of that stuff (though I suppose you'd never know it) The double album "Ummagumma" was (and still is) one of my all-time favorite records. The only song on that i could ever really play though was "Grantchester Meadows" Anywho, thanks for the b-day wishes. Ted In a message dated 05/09/05 19:21:53, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: > Happy Birthday to you > Happy Birthday to you > Happy Birthday dear Ted > Happy Birthday to you > (one of the first looping songs ;-) > > Your Pal, > Tim > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_e2.133a43f9.2fb2439b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Tim!

A few more of these and we can call it an internet birthday party!!!

I was reading one of your posts (I believe) the other day and you made
mention of some early Syd Barrett/Pink Floyd pieces you played.
I'm another fan of that stuff (though I suppose you'd never know it)
The double album "Ummagumma" was (and still is) one of my all-time
favorite records. The only song on that i could ever really play though
was "Grantchester Meadows"

Anywho, thanks for the b-day wishes.

Ted

In a message dated 05/09/05 19:21:53, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

Happy Birthday to you<= /FONT>
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Ted
Happy Birthday to you
(one of the first looping songs ;-)

Your Pal,
Tim

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_e2.133a43f9.2fb2439b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 13:09:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AH6Xj15555; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:04:06 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Fw: Digitech JamMan??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jj 179 Message-id: <013201c55582$a490f540$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason (jj 179), I think others might benefit from this, so I'm posting your e-mail to the group. (If there was the slightest bit of confidentiality in question, gang, you KNOW I'd check this out with Mr. 179 first.) You wrote: > When you say "switching between any two user-defined presets", does this > mean that you can't get the two different asynchronous loops to play on top > of each other? I mean you CAN have two asynchronous loops playing atop each other. I bet a search on the LD archives would clarify this further. But read on... > As an example of what I'd like to do: record 1 loop of, say 7 seconds, then > record another loop of, say 4 seconds; then have *both playing at the same > time* and see what happens. Basically recreate the old Brian Eno multiple > tape machine experiments, except all in a single unit. Yeah! That's what you can do with one DD-20! Fer instance, store memory slot 1 as a 7 second delay with full feedback. Store memory slot 2 as a 4 second delay, full feedback. Toggle to memory slot 1. Play a phrase. When you toggle to memory slot 2, *memory slot 1 keeps playing!* Then you play your 4 second phrase in memory slot 2, and sit back and watch the planes land. The only problem with this scenario is, once you exit a memory slot, you can't change it *even though you can hear it.* So in the above scenario, once you exit the 7 second setting, you couldn't do anything to it except turn it off by going to a third memory slot. (The DD-20 supports two memory slots playing back at once.) What I usually do is set the feedback for about 80% so memory slot 1 slowly fades away while I work with memory slot 2. Once memory slot 1 is gone, I switch to memory slot 3. Two continues to play back (and fades away, if I set it for 80% feedback as with memory slot 1) while I pile up slot 3's platter. And et cetera. As I hinted at in my earlier post, you could have two "Pan" presets and have two *pairs* of loops going. Pan the "Pan" output hard left/hard right, and you've got two pairs of audio going down. And buy yourself another DD-20, and YOU WILL GET NOTHING DONE FOR DAYS. WEEKS. MONTHS.... (I'm supposed to be working right now...! Heh, heh, heh.) dB, absentee coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 13:35:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AHX4c22925; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:33:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.1.202] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:32:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 17:32:33.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F8EA9E0:01C55586] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like he should have given credit. Royalties wouldn't be owed. Stuff becomes public domain eventually.Royalties used to be owed for 50 years after an author's death-I think that's been changed due to pressure from Disney ,for continued rights to Mickey Mouse-all of Walt's stuff I guess. " traditional..by Decker " is a little confusing ,tradtitional usually means no known author,a folk song. (Writings and compositions weren't credited as to authorship until the Gutenberg printing press.) Either way it's surely public domain. One day while Paul was visiting his father at his Cheshire home, he began playing the piano, and looked through a songbook that belonged to his stepsister, Ruth. (His father, James had remarried by this time.) In this book he came across a traditional lullaby by Thomas Dekker from the 17th century. But, as he was unable to read music, he began to make up his own melody and new lyrics, and Golden Slumbers was born. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 13:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AHms125404; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:48:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TO10Tk79wyu3olJKF5EHI6rLkIa3hb/ucP3E4GmmXx7IUy2VelsikLr6hm+81hXMNq68LzIgwUxNO/jCktppjEJZKN4bOrUQ5RSayDIBMG3hPy6oYfRLQe9NDvbsNeoLlHWfSRF1tPzUKyEMSos6m4kXg30EMy0rkaMs+dBAf1o= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:40:37 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Writing Someone Else's Song (was: Pagey vs the Beatles) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4AHlNx25129 Resent-Message-ID: <6LZLJD.A.8IG.rOPgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a funny world--look up the history of "The Lion Sleeps Tonight"... On 5/10/05, samba - wrote: > That sounds like he should have given credit. Royalties wouldn't be owed. > Stuff becomes public domain eventually.Royalties used to be owed for 50 > years after an author's death-I think that's been changed due to pressure > from Disney ,for continued rights to Mickey Mouse-all of Walt's stuff I > guess. > " traditional..by Decker " is a little confusing ,tradtitional usually means > no known author,a folk song. (Writings and compositions weren't credited as > to authorship until the Gutenberg printing press.) Either way it's surely > public domain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 14:06:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AHvrM26764; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:57:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:57:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.124] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4280BFD3.9010504@biink.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dekker Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:57:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 17:57:02.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB609040:01C55589] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thomas Dekker (1572?-1632?), British poet. The Pleasant Comedy of Patient Grissell. OBSC. Oxford Book of Sixteenth Century Verse, The. E. K. Chambers, comp. (1932) Oxford University Press. Sure enough, looks like Sir Paul ripped off Dekker. He'd been dead for almost 340 years though.Not quite the same as making millions on the work of living writers who are of a socially and financially oppressed minority. Golden Slumbers Kiss Your Eyes     Golden slumbers kiss your eyes, Smiles awake you when you rise ; Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry, And I will sing a lullaby, Rock them, rock them, lullaby. Care is heavy, therefore sleep you, You are care, and care must keep you ; Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry, And I will sing a lullaby, Rock them, rock them, lullaby. Thomas Dekker Yes Looks like Sir Paul riiped off Dekker But he'd been dead for over 300 years . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 16:11:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AK7HL17746; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:07:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ag68zacOupTiaJo+38N4OxDurzNw9HhdKzIZNhHwDwdSyEBiJj+rsGQdrEmBufmh+LTY1YT96uAO57JEboJ2DRL9mHPMHfhy3PjsU4TCmyLDN6VTaP0GAdHKxHKR9HM9twywNHTznK+c0zvSebgjGIDRV/X97IHFR4AbFwtkZmk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:19:58 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dekker In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4280BFD3.9010504@biink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4AK6hx17558 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But who knows who Dekker ripped off... On 5/10/05, samba - wrote: > Thomas Dekker (1572?-1632?), British poet. The Pleasant Comedy of Patient > Grissell. OBSC. Oxford Book of Sixteenth Century Verse, The. E. K. Chambers, > comp. (1932) Oxford University Press. > > Sure enough, looks like Sir Paul ripped off Dekker. He'd been dead for > almost 340 years though.Not quite the same as making millions on the work of > living writers who are of a socially and financially oppressed minority. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 16:42:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AKWxd23386; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:32:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:32:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42811A5D.4010905@biink.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:32:29 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Travis Hartnett CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dekker References: <4280BFD3.9010504@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: >But who knows who Dekker ripped off... > Exactly. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 17:21:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ALIuQ31120; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rMX3GSbVGIcDh8/PBiSS8RfIQdAUCTGqXhdw0XTTxEp2PaznPXx5u7jtcYGocaVF11sTi16zO7daqiSzWcT7E4qLe84s6Qq4tFUCyvwdVpB0OO1jXTEtSw9dVAwv6/h3SPi49j+C5LJSxYcp6gIM9hKXmeoir7Xmfwiv1a5/ouE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:16:51 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 second MKII questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4ALGux30851 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in the olden days, warbling was a lot more novel. On 5/10/05, Legion wrote: > > > 3. I didn't play with the delay portion last night but I rmemeber that was > the main things I found cool about this. Using the Sweep and Depth in > looping mode was kind of dissappointing (I can get warbles any number of > ways). Am I missing some secret that makes that ultra cool? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 17:30:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ALPet32522; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:25:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:25:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K/amR/sKgypNMaFFeFmxTrkvrILsI/p7KX6SJ9yrUpNey7laMtsLwcJRNp74tgkDyOyG+MN7QbOyvcJX1gChHfKWyUGbGYp8zuL61uSCCdvHN1bvm6jzVl0OqSswLPBIrcRmRO2X/1rou7ZWQflNKVWAr9xTUioupUcb3BsrM9k= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:24:49 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: No new features? (was: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200505101109.j4AB9qx05920@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4ALOsx32139 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember hearing something about the original actually running out of program memory, but who knows if there's any truth to that? On 5/10/05, jeremy wrote: > I wonder if these new features will be released as an update for Repeater > Mk1? Let¹s hope so. > > Jeremy > > jeremy > http://www.masse.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 17:46:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ALiL102933; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:44:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:43:47 EDT Subject: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1115761427" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1115761427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it only took about three weeks but it has finally arrived. Hurray! I spent all of 5 minutes with it so far and can see that there is a lot of potential. However, I'm STILL wondering if my money wouldn't have been better spent on the Boss Loop Station. The first hurdle that I need to overcome is where in my signal chain will I put this thing. I'm a multi keyboardist so this IS a poser. My initial impulse was to put it after my line mixer and before my amp. In theory that's a fine idea, except that it means that everything I do is potentially going to get recorded in my loop. Rather than "build" my performances from a loop upward, I want to make loops while I'm grooving. Therefore capturing everything is NOT a good idea. I could select a single keyboard and put the DD-20 between this board and my line mixer. But that seems really limiting. Ultimately, I may have to incorporate a submixer before the delay. Then I can mute channels that I don't want to record to the DD-20. That sounds like a lot of work and expense! What do you veterans have to offer in the form of advice? Thanks, Carl -------------------------------1115761427 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, it only took about three weeks but it has finally arrived.
 
Hurray!
 
I spent all of 5 minutes with it so far and can see that there is a lot= of=20 potential. However, I'm STILL wondering if my money wouldn't have been bette= r=20 spent on the Boss Loop Station.
 
The first hurdle that I need to overcome is where in my signal chain wi= ll I=20 put this thing.
 
I'm a multi keyboardist so this IS a poser.
 
My initial impulse was to put it after my line mixer and before my amp.= In=20 theory that's a fine idea, except that it means that everything I do is=20 potentially going to get recorded in my loop. Rather than "build" my=20 performances from a loop upward, I want to make loops while I'm grooving.=20 Therefore capturing everything is NOT a good idea.
 
I could select a single keyboard and put the DD-20 between this board a= nd=20 my line mixer. But that seems really limiting.
 
Ultimately, I may have to incorporate a submixer before the delay. Then= I=20 can mute channels that I don't want to record to the DD-20.
 
That sounds like a lot of work and expense!
 
What do you veterans have to offer in the form of advice?
 
Thanks,
Carl
 -------------------------------1115761427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 18:10:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AM8XY06809; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:08:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Repeater question, was RE: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:08:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, and Yes, Can you create a loop of a given length, then create one of another length, and then one of another length, etc??....no, but what you can do is create a loop, use the multiply function to double the original loops length, create another loop (track) over the longer loop length (say that ten times quickly), then use the multiply function again to increase the overall loop length, and record another track, repeating the process. This does allow the user to have loops of increasingly longer length, but as multiples of the original loop length. Does that make sense? let me put it another way, You can't have a one bar phrase followed by an eight bar phrase, followed by a five bar phrase, followed by a 3 bar phrase, but you can create a loop, create another loop twice as long, another loop twice again as long, etc, all using the multiply function.... I will probably pony up for another Repeater, and I would highly recommend it to even the most diehard echoplex dudes, particularly if they do indeed address some of the units issues. Bill -----Original Message----- From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? So ... quick dumb question ... will the Repeater allow you to have multiple loops of varying lengths playing simultaneously? >Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Repeater V2 for $499 >some days ago... > > > >> >>Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and well-overdue >>idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in functionality >>between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and love). >> >>I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all >>possible) to have multiple loops **of different and >>not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same box. I know >>some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can >>supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 18:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AM7u706727; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c555ac$b0826a80$cd925142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:07:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C55572.02678AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C55572.02678AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carl, If you happen to be going to a mixer, you could just put the delay on an = aux send, and place a volume pedal in front of it, allowing you to pedal = in whatever you deem worthy. Of course you'd still have to manage the = volumes on the aux send for each instrument.=20 -Miko ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RobotFan@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: Boss DD-20 Well, it only took about three weeks but it has finally arrived.=20 Hurray! I spent all of 5 minutes with it so far and can see that there is a = lot of potential. However, I'm STILL wondering if my money wouldn't have = been better spent on the Boss Loop Station. The first hurdle that I need to overcome is where in my signal chain = will I put this thing.=20 I'm a multi keyboardist so this IS a poser.=20 My initial impulse was to put it after my line mixer and before my = amp. In theory that's a fine idea, except that it means that everything = I do is potentially going to get recorded in my loop. Rather than = "build" my performances from a loop upward, I want to make loops while = I'm grooving. Therefore capturing everything is NOT a good idea.=20 I could select a single keyboard and put the DD-20 between this board = and my line mixer. But that seems really limiting.=20 Ultimately, I may have to incorporate a submixer before the delay. = Then I can mute channels that I don't want to record to the DD-20.=20 That sounds like a lot of work and expense! What do you veterans have to offer in the form of advice? Thanks, Carl ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C55572.02678AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Carl,
 
If you happen to be going to a mixer, you could just put the delay = on an=20 aux send, and place a volume pedal in front of it, allowing you to pedal = in=20 whatever you deem worthy. Of course you'd still have to manage the = volumes on=20 the aux send for each instrument.
 
-Miko
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RobotFan@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 = 2:43 PM
Subject: Boss DD-20

Well, it only took about three weeks but it has finally arrived. =
 
Hurray!
 
I spent all of 5 minutes with it so far and can see that there is = a lot=20 of potential. However, I'm STILL wondering if my money wouldn't have = been=20 better spent on the Boss Loop Station.
 
The first hurdle that I need to overcome is where in my signal = chain will=20 I put this thing.
 
I'm a multi keyboardist so this IS a poser.
 
My initial impulse was to put it after my line mixer and before = my amp.=20 In theory that's a fine idea, except that it means that everything I = do is=20 potentially going to get recorded in my loop. Rather than "build" my=20 performances from a loop upward, I want to make loops while I'm = grooving.=20 Therefore capturing everything is NOT a good idea.
 
I could select a single keyboard and put the DD-20 between this = board and=20 my line mixer. But that seems really limiting.
 
Ultimately, I may have to incorporate a submixer before the = delay. Then I=20 can mute channels that I don't want to record to the DD-20.
 
That sounds like a lot of work and expense!
 
What do you veterans have to offer in the form of advice?
 
Thanks,
Carl
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C55572.02678AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 18:12:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AMARu07173; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:09:48 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1115762988" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1115762988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/10/2005 6:08:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, biffoz@arczip.com writes: Hi Carl, If you happen to be going to a mixer, you could just put the delay on an aux send, and place a volume pedal in front of it, allowing you to pedal in whatever you deem worthy. Of course you'd still have to manage the volumes on the aux send for each instrument. -Miko My aux sends are already spoken for. Besides, there would still be the issue of every instrument being "recorded" unless I specifically kill the effects level for certain channels. Carl -------------------------------1115762988 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Carl,
 
If you happen to be going to a mixer, you could just put the delay on= an=20 aux send, and place a volume pedal in front of it, allowing you to pedal i= n=20 whatever you deem worthy. Of course you'd still have to manage the volumes= on=20 the aux send for each instrument.
 
-Miko
My aux sends are already spoken for. Besides, there would still be the=20 issue of every instrument being "recorded" unless I specifically kill the=20 effects level for certain channels.
 
Carl
 -------------------------------1115762988-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 19:09:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4AN7wS17634; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 01:07:00 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cooking your delays? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_ajBW.A.QKE.Z6TgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and looping plugins running for a long time, for instance while I'm having dinner and whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted loveliness waiting for me in the cans. Do you do that as well? Any tips? Andreas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 19:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ANETG20521; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B6hjNHOq+wkwMy7k4MlcasiIqSywktPkPn8Sh0y8+aTiApZvYQLNRzp2HZY94FPJTD4o0UZYZn9dlSyV+W0o8QkU7GWJfXu5jrfCQ4DTEIMMCRLOqjAdPx81zP70qUmg1bXc9CaMPDyctAZgq26Z3kEWO1SZxjfbD1OSRcxN2iw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:11:18 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? In-Reply-To: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4ANE5x20409 Resent-Message-ID: <4XF1b.A.M_E.9AUgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Time to check out "I Am Sitting In A Room". Are you saying your gear mutates audio while it's in playback only mode? On 5/10/05, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and looping plugins > running for a long time, for instance while I'm having dinner and > whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted loveliness waiting for > me in the cans. > > Do you do that as well? Any tips? > > Andreas. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 19:18:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ANH1e21793; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:17:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:17:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.400881 secs Process 20663) Message-ID: <51569.213.100.44.49.1115766995.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> References: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 01:16:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? From: "clumsybeats.org" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com beautiful. i can imagine happy accidents fried in randomness, waiting for you, digesting... hello to the list stéphane > I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and looping plugins > running for a long time, for instance while I'm having dinner and > whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted loveliness waiting for > me in the cans. > > Do you do that as well? Any tips? > > Andreas. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 20:51:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4B0nYv09204; Tue, 10 May 2005 20:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: References: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <12baee61ed6ed3047f46545b1c73662f@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:45:31 -0500 To: Travis Hartnett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man I love that piece. There is a nice recording of it out on CD (the recording is from 1970 I believe) on the Lovely Music label (Lovely Music LCD 1013). On May 10, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Time to check out "I Am Sitting In A Room". > > Are you saying your gear mutates audio while it's in playback only > mode? > > On 5/10/05, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >> I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and looping plugins >> running for a long time, for instance while I'm having dinner and >> whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted loveliness waiting for >> me in the cans. >> >> Do you do that as well? Any tips? >> >> Andreas. >> >> > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 21:14:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4B1CfO14177; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qJ/22JGrw587H9D6QW3YseVidHBx6F80iVEbHTfjaC702IAcnj/2x4re8cb+wBgFoVR7edyVjlxNtQwsWZ0jUuzplZsBfA7LmItnW+4b3Br0lOttbi4hfJ4asrpz6UK5+uf6qnCNLPS6gHSHn14S24DxmdboEoN1cnMSdArOULQ= ; Message-ID: <20050511011126.6099.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Placing a Looper in the Signal Chain... was: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200505102210.j4AMANO07130@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carl, As a multi keyboardist, I share your pain... :) Personally, I use the Mackie 1604 VLZ Pro as a complex matrix mixer. Submix 1 and 2 are used as a stereo send, as are Submix 3 and 4. Likewise, Aux sends 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6. My biggest problem is wanting to return them on their own stereo channel inputs, which takes up two faders per return. Up until recently, I just joined various FX together before returning them to their own channel strips. Now I'm seriously thinking about sending all my sound sources (keyboards and wind controllers) to a Mackie 3204 (16 stereo inputs) or a Samson PL2404 (12 stereo inputs), dividing them up in groups sending out through stereo aux sends 1 or 3, mono aux sends 2 or 4, or the mute/alt 3&4 switch. Then sending the various sends from the 3204 to the 1604, routing all my sound modifiers (including loopers) through the 1604. Though it sounds quite complex on paper, it actually works pretty intuitively for me, allow me to see at a glance what's being routed where. This is something that I have a difficult time doing with software mixers. Stephen Carl wrote: The first hurdle that I need to overcome is where in my signal chain will I put this thing. (Boss DD-20) I'm a multi keyboardist so this IS a poser. My initial impulse was to put it after my line mixer and before my amp. In theory that's a fine idea, except that it means that everything I do is potentially going to get recorded in my loop. Rather than "build" my performances from a loop upward, I want to make loops while I'm grooving. Therefore capturing everything is NOT a good idea. I could select a single keyboard and put the DD-20 between this board and my line mixer. But that seems really limiting. Ultimately, I may have to incorporate a submixer before the delay. Then I can mute channels that I don't want to record to the DD-20. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 21:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4B1RCX17250; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:27:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=H5dYVjxyfgE0BfS8rnqKZP1AjJI2sTU8hlfQRh/H/6MHCUWsGocESaGkCqwuP8A9; Message-ID: <410-22005531112954960@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Flame Tracer Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404f8314422d2bf3916f6c8301df72c3e9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.145 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Who was YOUR favorite flame-maker? Collect 'em all! Trade 'em with your friends!" Oh yeah?!? Oh yeah?!? Well *#*#*#*#*#!!!! ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) emoticons on parade ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Douglas Baldwin > To: jj 179 ; > Date: 5/10/2005 9:56:43 AM > Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? > > jj 179 wrote: > > > I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all > > possible) to have multiple loops **of different and > not-necessarily-related > > lengths** looping together in the same box. I know some of the more > > expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can supposedly do this, but > > boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} > > Not to sound like a broken record (although I couldn't imagine a more > accepting community for doing so) but... > The Boss DD-20 will get two asynchronous loops going quite easily. By > switching between any two user-defined presets, you could have two > asynchronous loops at a time. Since the DD-20 costs under $200 in US stores, > you could have four asynchronous loops (in two boxes) for under $400 US. Use > the Pan mode, and you could have four *pairs* of asynchronous loops with up > to 46 seconds per loop. And the DD-20 stays in amazing sync with itself. > I've been using two since February 05 and have developed whole new pieces > based on the two percolating away at simple ratios of each other, remaining > in sync for ten-twenty minutes at a time. > No MIDI though. > > And speaking of MIDI, my quaint and non-technical understanding of such > things tells me that MIDI-synced variable-speed audio delay is the Holy > Grail of FX engineering. We're probably going to have to wait until some new > code is established before a looper/delay with synching capabilities will > sell for under $500. Otherwise they'd be added as easily as LCDs and Stereo > outputs. > > dB, el Coyote > > ps - What happened to Smoke Stick Devil? What happened to that grumpy > classical guitarist? And does anyone remember the "anti-Miko" who > irrationally replied to anyone's post with expletives? How about Robert > Fripp's close pal Terry Blankenship? Who was YOUR favorite flame-maker? > Collect 'em all! Trade 'em with your friends! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 10 22:31:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4B2SIK28790; Tue, 10 May 2005 22:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bt63lW4tWLtpPh5N7cCjYG6PIgo2Rkf3FoU/3sblxrAuTeo8QKR4Cg7cB/IqNfElCGhtEscZva2qaRxB6wBRQoktomJQ12RgNr/lsDrxMUWUdzDFVweLOlbdtOeGSdTrjPi9ejxMfdJBLu6+mWR3TPjsWUi0Ly7PK0K7ick3xUw= ; Message-ID: <20050511022745.14109.qmail@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does your mixer have an effects or aux send on each channel? If so, put it in there, and return it to an unused channel. -t- --- RobotFan@aol.com wrote: > > My initial impulse was to put it after my line mixer > and before my amp. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 00:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4B4jMZ17241; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c555e4$45083f40$fb915142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:45:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C555A9.97A60100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <48ET7D.A.iKE.82YgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C555A9.97A60100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well... there IS a limit to how much a small mixer can manage. My last = sentence addresses fading the aux levels of instruments you don't want = to record. There's no way around having to manage auxes to the looper input if you = absolutely must have access to every instrument. The other approach is = to dedicate each looper/s to one or two specific instruments and get = happy with those limitations. -Miko ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RobotFan@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 In a message dated 5/10/2005 6:08:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = biffoz@arczip.com writes: Hi Carl, If you happen to be going to a mixer, you could just put the delay = on an aux send, and place a volume pedal in front of it, allowing you to = pedal in whatever you deem worthy. Of course you'd still have to manage = the volumes on the aux send for each instrument.=20 -Miko My aux sends are already spoken for. Besides, there would still be the = issue of every instrument being "recorded" unless I specifically kill = the effects level for certain channels.=20 Carl ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C555A9.97A60100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well... there IS a limit to how much a small mixer can manage. My = last=20 sentence addresses fading the aux levels of instruments you don't want = to=20 record.
 
There's no way around having to manage auxes to the looper input if = you=20 absolutely must have access to every instrument. The other approach = is to=20 dedicate each looper/s to one or two specific instruments and get happy = with=20 those limitations.
 
-Miko
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RobotFan@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 = 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Boss DD-20

In a message dated 5/10/2005 6:08:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = biffoz@arczip.com writes:
Hi Carl,
 
If you happen to be going to a mixer, you could just put the = delay on=20 an aux send, and place a volume pedal in front of it, allowing you = to pedal=20 in whatever you deem worthy. Of course you'd still have to manage = the=20 volumes on the aux send for each instrument.
 
-Miko
My aux sends are already spoken for. Besides, there would still = be the=20 issue of every instrument being "recorded" unless I specifically kill = the=20 effects level for certain channels.
 
Carl
 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C555A9.97A60100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 02:36:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4B6Z1k01915; Wed, 11 May 2005 02:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 02:35:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: No new features? (was: Electrix Repeater MK II: Web site selling it) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:33:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200505101109.j4AB9qx05920@hemlock.violacea.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 11 May 2005 08:29:35 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.77.250 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <59o_R.A.yX.4cagCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Second question on everyone's mind is "when and where can I get one"? er, my question is "when and where can I get one - in Europe (Germany)". And for how much of course. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 04:21:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4B8Jl517345; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 04:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> References: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25F01179-C93E-4F9A-9B59-98D60AACCD78@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:19:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <4eQ8R.A.QOE.JAcgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 11, 2005, at 1:07, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and looping plugins > running for a long time, for instance while I'm having dinner and > whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted loveliness waiting > for me in the cans. That's nice. I once did it with two reel to reel tape machines at an art gallery. Including a hidden microphone at the entrance. Any sound produced by newcomers was recorded and transported for 30 seconds along a tape loop to the second tape machine where a loud speaker was set up. What I had not planned was that the sounds of that loud speaker also got recorded back at the first tape machine, together with the ambience of the gallery room. After three hours a ghost-like howl started to rise from the thing. The owner of the gallery told me he had to run down from his office to turn it off because it "sounded terrible and scared visitors of the art exhibition". per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 06:04:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BA27F30377; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:02:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:02:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c55610$6cee7700$886410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> <25F01179-C93E-4F9A-9B59-98D60AACCD78@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:01:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Smells like "I am sitting in an art gallery"...;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? > On May 11, 2005, at 1:07, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > > > I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and looping plugins > > running for a long time, for instance while I'm having dinner and > > whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted loveliness waiting > > for me in the cans. > > > That's nice. I once did it with two reel to reel tape machines at an > art gallery. Including a hidden microphone at the entrance. Any sound > produced by newcomers was recorded and transported for 30 seconds > along a tape loop to the second tape machine where a loud speaker was > set up. What I had not planned was that the sounds of that loud > speaker also got recorded back at the first tape machine, together > with the ambience of the gallery room. After three hours a ghost-like > howl started to rise from the thing. The owner of the gallery told me > he had to run down from his office to turn it off because it "sounded > terrible and scared visitors of the art exhibition". > > per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 06:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BAm5M03482; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c55616$bab41340$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:46:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Andreas Wetterberg" >I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and looping plugins running >for a long time, for instance while I'm having dinner and whatnot. When I >return, there's often distorted loveliness waiting for me in the cans. > > Do you do that as well? Any tips? When I feel like just having a sound texture for the room I work in, I put something down in the DigiTech 7.6, usually a guitar wash, sometimes with percussive instrumentation, but mostly it's no hard rhythm if I'm after a "truly ambient" (i.e. "as ignorable as it is listenable") loop. However I don't just let them run over dinner. Sometimes I leave it going for as much as two weeks, depending on how hectic things get here (renovating old house, going crazy all over workmen, taking care of 96-yr-old mum-in-law). I think of this as utilitarian music, it provides a space you can think in, wallpaper for the mind, unbound by notions of what a "song" is. Much of the time I find myself internally composing instrumentations/variations I didn't plan on at all, which is more than fun for me. Side effect of tracking through computer, though: I did an early experiment with NetMeeting voice-over-ip stuff, and when it began my partner in Reno noted a warbling, watery kind of sound that he couldn't filter out, but didn't obscure our voices over the connection (56K for me, ISDN for him, after all it was 1998!). Turns out it was a week-old loop of this very kind, and I'd gotten so used to its running that I forgot to mute my Line In on the sound card. (Hense I began laying my plans for broadcasting from home, but that's another story.) Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 06:51:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BAnYu03867; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 6.636363 secs Process 28675) Message-ID: <49839.213.100.44.49.1115808542.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Repeater question, was RE: Digitech JamMan??? From: "clumsybeats.org" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to the list. Talking about Repeater, i just bought a Loopstation RC-20XL and i'm a bit disappointed so far. Mostly because i can't record several loops LIVE & then switch between phrases i just recorded. With the RC-20, pressing SAVE simply stops the loop you want to save. Plus you have to wait that the loop is fully read to be able to read another, plus the UNDO function has a latency. With the RC20 I end up playing with the same phrase for ages. I want to be able to loop but also break the loop, cut it up or get away from it when needed. Basically i'd like to build a track live during my solo-sets (you could check my new record : http://www.clumsybeats.org/rob_share.html ) Someone recommended a REPEATER. It seems to be rare & expansive, even used. So i'm wondering if it's really tweakable. Can you really record many phrases live and then play/tweak them by hand, like a sampler but with possibilities of layering & live processing?? I'm just looking for the right tool. Maybe someone created a real time sampling patch with Max MSP, Super Collider or Pure Data? Anyone heard of that? Greetings from Sweden Stéphane > No, and Yes, > Can you create a loop of a given length, then create one of another > length, > and then one of another length, etc??....no, but what you can do is create > a > loop, use the multiply function to double the original loops length, > create > another loop (track) over the longer loop length (say that ten times > quickly), then use the multiply function again to increase the overall > loop > length, and record another track, repeating the process. This does allow > the > user to have loops of increasingly longer length, but as multiples of the > original loop length. Does that make sense? let me put it another way, You > can't have a one bar phrase followed by an eight bar phrase, followed by > a > five bar phrase, followed by a 3 bar phrase, but you can create a loop, > create another loop twice as long, another loop twice again as long, etc, > all using the multiply function.... I will probably pony up for another > Repeater, and I would highly recommend it to even the most diehard > echoplex > dudes, particularly if they do indeed address some of the units issues. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:34 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? > > > So ... quick dumb question ... will the Repeater allow you to have > multiple > loops of varying lengths playing simultaneously? > > >>Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Repeater V2 for >> $499 >>some days ago... >> > >> >> >>> >>>Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and well-overdue >>>idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in functionality >>>between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and love). >>> >>>I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all >>>possible) to have multiple loops **of different and >>>not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same box. I >>> know >>>some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can >>>supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} >>> >>> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 06:58:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BAuIh04769; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Zurich Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:55:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01C55628.C21BA780" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050508232310.4238.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C55628.C21BA780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://loopfestival.com Mr. Wagner ;) -----Original Message----- From: Chiodos Mystery 'wich [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Montag, 9. Mai 2005 01:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zurich << i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig >> I'm thinking seriously about attending this event. Is there a link somewhere with any details? Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/6/05 4:22:31 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: and all the great posts and quotes and info... whats not to love? am i crazy to be happy reading my LD posts?.....perhaps it's not a TRUE COMMUNITY but i feel i have made wonderful friends here, from all over.....i could at this very moment be teleported to SAN FRAN and feel totaly at home with stano and matt davignon and rick and bill and all my west coast homies.....and ted and hans and mr. hartung who i got to spend a day with listening to many "LOOPERS" doing what i love!.....my hats off to mr kim.....thank you!.....don't let semantics come between you and REALITY (?).....it's about more than the music!.....i never met a looper i didn't like!.....i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig ! and hopefully meeting many of the EUROLOOPKINDERN.....HOLY SHIT!.....what fun!.....and mighty rick in JAPAN! soon spreading the GOSPEL-O-LOOP with sunao.....and zoe and travis and mighty tim to mention just a few.....such friends!.....THANKS FOR HAVIN' ME!.....mic ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Discover Yahoo! 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Mr.=20 Wagner ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Chiodos Mystery = 'wich=20 [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Montag, 9. Mai 2005=20 01:23
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Zurich

<< i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick = gig=20 >>
I'm thinking seriously about attending this event. Is there a = link=20 somewhere with any details?
 

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 5/6/05 4:22:31 PM,=20 stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


and all the great posts and quotes and = info...
whats not=20 to love?

am i crazy to be happy reading my LD = posts?.....perhaps=20 it's not a TRUE COMMUNITY but i feel i have made wonderful friends = here,=20 from all over.....i could at this very moment be teleported to SAN = FRAN and=20 feel totaly at home with stano and matt davignon and rick and bill = and all=20 my west coast homies.....and ted and hans and mr. hartung who i got = to spend=20 a day with listening to many "LOOPERS" doing what i love!.....my = hats off to=20 mr kim.....thank you!.....don't let semantics come between you and = REALITY=20 (?).....it's about more than the music!.....i never met a looper i = didn't=20 like!.....i am crazy psyched about going to mr. wagner's zurick gig = ! and=20 hopefully meeting many of the EUROLOOPKINDERN.....HOLY = SHIT!.....what=20 fun!.....and mighty rick in JAPAN! soon  spreading the = GOSPEL-O-LOOP=20 with sunao.....and zoe and travis and mighty tim to mention just a=20 few.....such friends!.....THANKS FOR HAVIN' = ME!.....mic

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Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for = the=20 weekend. Check=20 it out! ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C55628.C21BA780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 08:21:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BCJpv17934; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <1f2.98315be.2fb351d8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:17:28 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1115813848" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1115813848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I could hard pan my mixer and send only the left channel to the DD-20. That kills the stereo advantage, but makes short work out of the problem. I just pan left the instruments that I want looped. However, after an evening playing with it, I'm wondering if I didn't make a mistake just getting started with this. It's not like I thought it would be at all. Because I want to capture parts in mid performance, it's very difficult to do. I did play games where I play a bass line, add a rhythm (even added percussion) and then jammed over that, but that is really NOT what I bought this for. I accompany myself fine in real time so making loops like that leaves my left hand doing little or nothing. I don't know, maybe I'll play around with it some more before I decide this isn't for me. I can't even adequately explain what it is I'm trying to do with it. I think the closest I can come to a description is that I want a "super arpeggiator" that I program in real time in performance. Like, I'm jamming on a groove and then capture a run on my lead synth which keeps repeating while I play a counterpoint to that run. Then I seamlessly replace the first looped run with another, etc. etc. etc. Is that clear or am I doing a bad job of expressing this? Carl In a message dated 5/11/2005 12:45:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, biffoz@arczip.com writes: Well... there IS a limit to how much a small mixer can manage. My last sentence addresses fading the aux levels of instruments you don't want to record. There's no way around having to manage auxes to the looper input if you absolutely must have access to every instrument. The other approach is to dedicate each looper/s to one or two specific instruments and get happy with those limitations. -Miko -------------------------------1115813848 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, I could hard pan my mixer and send only the left channel to t= he=20 DD-20. That kills the stereo advantage, but makes short work out of the prob= lem.=20 I just pan left the instruments that I want looped.
 
However, after an evening playing with it, I'm wondering if I didn't ma= ke a=20 mistake just getting started with this. It's not like I thought it would be=20= at=20 all.
 
Because I want to capture parts in mid performance, it's very difficult= to=20 do. I did play games where I play a bass line, add a rhythm (even added=20 percussion) and then jammed over that, but that is really NOT what I bought=20= this=20 for. I accompany myself fine in real time so making loops like that leaves m= y=20 left hand doing little or nothing.
 
I don't know, maybe I'll play around with it some more before I decide=20= this=20 isn't for me.
 
I can't even adequately explain what it is I'm trying to do with it. I=20 think the closest I can come to a description is that I want a "super=20 arpeggiator" that I program in real time in performance. Like, I'm jamm= ing=20 on a groove and then capture a run on my lead synth which keeps repeating wh= ile=20 I play a counterpoint to that run. Then I seamlessly replace the first loope= d=20 run with another, etc. etc. etc.
 
Is that clear or am I doing a bad job of expressing this?
 
Carl
 
In a message dated 5/11/2005 12:45:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 biffoz@arczip.com writes:
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Well... there IS a limit to how much a small mixer can manage. My las= t=20 sentence addresses fading the aux levels of instruments you don't want to=20 record.
 
There's no way around having to manage auxes to the looper input if y= ou=20 absolutely must have access to every instrument. The other approach i= s to=20 dedicate each looper/s to one or two specific instruments and get happy wi= th=20 those limitations.
 
-Miko
 
 -------------------------------1115813848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 08:53:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BCo8G22331; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:50:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:54:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Repeater question, was RE: Digitech JamMan??? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49839.213.100.44.49.1115808542.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198664480_256029" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198664480_256029 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Repeater Manual is available on line. Worth going through this to check the detail of what is and is not possible for yourself against what you plan to do.=20 There is SooperLooper for OSX - a very exciting development for computer looping which runs under JACK. Well worth checking out. I can get four instances running on my iBook G4 933. Because I=B9m trying to run LOGIC with a dozen inputs, Jack, Sooperlooper, MidiClock, MOTU 828 mkII, Cuemix and a few other bits and bobs at once I=B9m going to need a faster computer though !!! I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet using JACK so that might sort me out. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hello to the list. > Talking about Repeater, i just bought a Loopstation RC-20XL and i'm a bit > disappointed so far. Mostly because i can't record several loops LIVE & > then switch between phrases i just recorded. With the RC-20, pressing SAV= E > simply stops the loop you want to save. Plus you have to wait that the > loop is fully read to be able to read another, plus the UNDO function has > a latency. With the RC20 I end up playing with the same phrase for ages. > I want to be able to loop but also break the loop, cut it up or get away > from it when needed. Basically i'd like to build a track live during my > solo-sets (you could check my new record : > http://www.clumsybeats.org/rob_share.html ) > Someone recommended a REPEATER. It seems to be rare & expansive, even > used. So i'm wondering if it's really tweakable. Can you really record > many phrases live and then play/tweak them by hand, like a sampler but > with possibilities of layering & live processing?? >=20 > I'm just looking for the right tool. Maybe someone created a real time > sampling patch with Max MSP, Super Collider or Pure Data? Anyone heard of > that? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden > St=E9phane >=20 >=20 >=20 >> > No, and Yes, >> > Can you create a loop of a given length, then create one of another >> > length, >> > and then one of another length, etc??....no, but what you can do is cr= eate >> > a >> > loop, use the multiply function to double the original loops length, >> > create >> > another loop (track) over the longer loop length (say that ten times >> > quickly), then use the multiply function again to increase the overall >> > loop >> > length, and record another track, repeating the process. This does all= ow >> > the >> > user to have loops of increasingly longer length, but as multiples of = the >> > original loop length. Does that make sense? let me put it another way,= You >> > can't have a one bar phrase followed by an eight bar phrase, followed= by >> > a >> > five bar phrase, followed by a 3 bar phrase, but you can create a loop= , >> > create another loop twice as long, another loop twice again as long, e= tc, >> > all using the multiply function.... I will probably pony up for anothe= r >> > Repeater, and I would highly recommend it to even the most diehard >> > echoplex >> > dudes, particularly if they do indeed address some of the units issues= . >> > Bill >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:34 AM >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? >> > >> > >> > So ... quick dumb question ... will the Repeater allow you to have >> > multiple >> > loops of varying lengths playing simultaneously? >> > >> > >>> >>Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Repeater V2 fo= r >>> >> $499 >>> >>some days ago... >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and well-ove= rdue >>>> >>>idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in functionality >>>> >>>between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and love). >>>> >>> >>>> >>>I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at a= ll >>>> >>>possible) to have multiple loops **of different and >>>> >>>not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same box.= I >>>> >>> know >>>> >>>some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can >>>> >>>supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3198664480_256029 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Repeater question, was RE: Digitech JamMan??? Repeater Manual is available on line. Worth going through this to check = the detail of what is and is not possible for yourself against what you plan= to do.

There is SooperLooper for OSX - a very exciting development for computer lo= oping which runs under JACK. Well worth checking out. I can get four instanc= es running on my iBook G4 933.

Because I’m trying to run LOGIC with a dozen inputs, Jack, Sooperloop= er, MidiClock, MOTU 828 mkII, Cuemix and a few other bits and bobs at once I= ’m going to need a faster computer though !!!

I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet using= JACK so that might sort me out.

Best wishes

Jeremy

http://www.masse.org.uk





Hello to the list.
Talking about Repeater, i just bought a Loopstation RC-20XL and i'm a bit disappointed so far. Mostly because i can't record several loops LIVE &=
then switch between phrases i just recorded. With the RC-20, pressing SAVE<= BR> simply stops the loop you want to save. Plus you have to wait that the
loop is fully read to be able to read another, plus the UNDO function has a latency. With the RC20 I end up playing with the same phrase for ages. I want to be able to loop but also break the loop, cut it up or get away from it when needed. Basically i'd like to build a track live during my
solo-sets (you could check my new record :
http://www.clumsybeats.= org/rob_share.html )
Someone recommended a REPEATER. It seems to be rare & expansive, even used. So i'm wondering if it's really tweakable. Can you really record
many phrases live and then play/tweak them by hand, like a sampler but
with possibilities of layering & live processing??

I'm just looking for the right tool. Maybe someone created a real time
sampling patch with Max MSP, Super Collider or Pure Data? Anyone heard of that?

Greetings from Sweden
Stéphane



> No, and Yes,
> Can you create a loop of a given length, then create one of another > length,
> and then one of another length, etc??....no, but what you can do is cr= eate
> a
> loop, use the multiply function to double the original loops length, > create
> another loop (track) over the longer loop length (say that ten times > quickly), then use the multiply function again to increase the overall=
> loop
> length, and record another track, repeating the process. This does all= ow
> the
> user to have loops of increasingly longer length, but as multiples of = the
> original loop length. Does that make sense? let me put it another way,= You
> can't  have a one bar phrase followed by an eight bar phrase, fol= lowed by
> a
> five bar phrase, followed by a 3 bar phrase, but you can create a loop= ,
> create another loop twice as long, another loop twice again as long, e= tc,
> all using the multiply function.... I will probably pony up for anothe= r
> Repeater, and I would highly recommend it to even the most diehard
> echoplex
> dudes, particularly if they do indeed address some of the units issues= .
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs= @hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:34 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan???
>
>
> So ... quick dumb question ... will the Repeater allow you to have
> multiple
> loops of varying lengths playing simultaneously?
>
>
>>Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Repeater V2 = for
>> $499
>>some days ago...
>>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and well= -overdue
>>>idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in functiona= lity
>>>between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and lov= e).
>>>
>>>I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if = at all
>>>possible) to have multiple loops **of different and
>>>not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same = box. I
>>> know
>>>some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP = can
>>>supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :}<= BR> >>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>





 --B_3198664480_256029-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 09:20:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BDHYf27252; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Marc Benigni" To: Subject: RiffBox review Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2b (attachment(s) not renamed) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. I'm new to the list but I've got a couple of old friends here. I recently purchased a RiffBox and wrote up a pretty long review for another forum. I thought it might be more useful/ interesting to the loopers delight crowd, so I'm sort of cross posting. I hope the length of this, my first contribution, isn't a problem: This is long, so I'll start with the very short version: well worth the money if you can imagine having any use for a looper. If the "long version" gets too far off on tangents etc. I'd be happy to answer specific questions. I haven't had nearly as much time as I'd like to play with the RiffBox, but I think its about time I posted that review. I'll continue to post ideas and eventually sound clips here, until someone says, "Stop! You're WAY off-topic!" First of all, I still love the thing. I have found a couple of shortcomings, but I believe most of them can be easily overcome or worked around. I tested the unit for a couple of nights in the Vetta's effects loop, then for about a week as a send from my the Delta 66 on my PC, running Guitar Rig. I used an external footswitch so I could have the controls available on a desktop (and because I wasn't really in a hurry to be stomping on my shiny new toy. I tested with electric guitars with magnetic and piezo pickups, clean and distorted, and I tested with an acoustic guitar. Backline Engineering is a startup company, so packaging and documentation are simple affairs, but everything is in clean and professional order. The unit itself is also very old-school, with its 7-segment LEDs etc. Not the prettiest thing, but it gives you that cool sense that you're playing something out of the ordinary. Sound quality is excellent, to the point that I don't have much to say about it. Without giving much thought to levels, loops out sounded indistinguishable from the signal I was feeding in. On a Sonar bus on the PC, where levels and routing are very flexible, its a total no-brainer. The only concern I had was with the Vetta effects loop: its a relatively quiet signal, and I could not get it to clip the RiffBox's input. This made it a little bit hard to diagnose problems at first, and (pure speculation here) may impact the RiffBox's ability to track events. Which leads us to "events"... definitely the most significant feature, and probably what Gary's patent is all about. You can program the RiffBox to count events - notes or chords that reach a given threshhold - as you play. Looping begins automatically on the first event, and playback begins on the (n+1)th event, where n is the count you specify. So, theoretically, you can specify 8 events, play one bar of eighth notes, and RiffBox will repeat that measure. What's cool is that it doesn't try to analyze tempo or anything, it's just waiting on that next event, so you can play your measure square or swing it very widely and the loop will still work fine. The challenge is that guitars sustain quite a lot, so if you are playing at all quickly, you need to be playing evenly, with an intentional staccato, in order for events to count out consistently. Gary's addressed this matter creatively by allowing you to record a wet guitar signal while triggering based on a dry one - sort of a sidechain concept. This helps a lot, but even clean guitars are sustainy. Acoustics are more percussive and so fare a bit better, but all told, at typical tempos (say 80-120 bpm) 8th notes are a more realistic proposition than 16th notes. (More on this later.) The issues inherent in counting events aren't so gloomy though, since in most cases you won't know the number of notes you intend to play in advance anyway. 9 times out of 10 you'll use a manual mode - you hit the switch, and the RiffBox loops beginning on the very next event. This is really just a refinement of the typical looper, where you press the switch and looping begins immediately. But its a BIG refinement. The result is glitchcore without the glitches. A bit of practice and loops start coming out *very* clean. And in this scenario you can play fast, legato runs without worry, so long as the last note is distinct from the first, and you hit that pedal somewhere in between. i.e. if there's a rest at the end of the measure(s), you're golden. Once you've got a loop in there, there are many (too many for me to have tested them in full in a mere week or two), many modes to determine how it will then behave. All are variations on "stop after n repetitions", "fade over n repetitions", etc. which, when combined with layering options make for some cool, musical effects without the tap-dancing typically required. You can also wire this thing up to a drum machine or sequencer and when your loop starts the drum machine will start, synced up at the correct tempo. This is a cool feature, but I would love to see a mode that could follow my tempo as I continued playing! I've e-mailed a couple of suggestions to Gary, most of them minor, and most of which can be corrected in firmware at his discretion - things like changing LED colors to make status more clear etc. One major concern I have is that I find it pretty easy to accidentally stop a loop and not be able to restart it (because I'm armed to record again), or to corrupt a loop with a bad layer (to be clear, *my* bad playing LOL) and not be able to revert. I think Gary's thinking these things through now, and maybe he can post his thoughts here. My last and biggest recommendation concerns that whole "guitars are sustainy" discussion above. Warning, this gets very geeky. Since I had my guitar routed through a PC, I realized I might be able to process the "dry" signal RiffBox was triggering on to help simulate a staccato signal, while my playing as recorded and looped could remain as expressive as I like. I still believe this can be done with an expansion algorithm or something. But I didn't happen to have a plug-in that was right for the job. So instead, I ran my guitar's MIDI output to a softsynth, set that to a very staccato transient tone, and ran *that* output to the RiffBox. This improved performance considerably when I tried to achieve consistent event counts. It occurred to me that the RiffBox could probably be programmed to respond to any MIDI Note On events as if they were event threshholds, and for keyboard or guitarists with GK pickups the unit would benefit greatly. In conclusion: well, I guess I started with my conclusion. I think this box is a very good value for the money, when I consider all the other loopers I've tried that, for my purposes, proved completely unusable. Hopefully Gary will manage to get some retail distibution. Check one out! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 10:20:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BEFuQ07678; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:15:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:15:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J6aG99SmG3rOxgqvUX1M8uwmhNFh7sdUBwYAdwDq8Hey13WES3qe1tM5xtHS8m/k2CgMdTFWPscFEzubnwh1ckWO0zZXus+BvOt/GWapcBQq5OMqF+q/PioSeKzetwhyalTKcixQBLu2mZW4IWTITWdGoBkZdpWz0R6gDjwr2jo= Message-ID: <588ce11d05051107141445e3f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:14:08 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RiffBox review In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4BEE9x07441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A simple question--does the riffbox do "sound-on-sound" looping. Once a loop is going, can you continue to record and layer new sounds on top of it? Thanks, a quick look at the backline website didn't seem to give any answers. On 5/11/05, Marc Benigni wrote: > Hi all. I'm new to the list but I've got a couple of old friends here. I > recently purchased a RiffBox and wrote up a pretty long review for another > forum. I thought it might be more useful/ interesting to the loopers > delight crowd, so I'm sort of cross posting. I hope the length of this, my > first contribution, isn't a problem: > > This is long, so I'll start with the very short version: well worth the > money if you can imagine having any use for a looper. If the "long version" > gets too far off on tangents etc. I'd be happy to answer specific questions. > > I haven't had nearly as much time as I'd like to play with the RiffBox, but > I think its about time I posted that review. I'll continue to post ideas and > eventually sound clips here, until someone says, "Stop! You're WAY > off-topic!" > > First of all, I still love the thing. I have found a couple of shortcomings, > but I believe most of them can be easily overcome or worked around. > > I tested the unit for a couple of nights in the Vetta's effects loop, then > for about a week as a send from my the Delta 66 on my PC, running Guitar > Rig. I used an external footswitch so I could have the controls available on > a desktop (and because I wasn't really in a hurry to be stomping on my shiny > new toy. I tested with electric guitars with magnetic and piezo pickups, > clean and distorted, and I tested with an acoustic guitar. > > Backline Engineering is a startup company, so packaging and documentation > are simple affairs, but everything is in clean and professional order. The > unit itself is also very old-school, with its 7-segment LEDs etc. Not the > prettiest thing, but it gives you that cool sense that you're playing > something out of the ordinary. > > Sound quality is excellent, to the point that I don't have much to say about > it. Without giving much thought to levels, loops out sounded > indistinguishable from the signal I was feeding in. On a Sonar bus on the > PC, where levels and routing are very flexible, its a total no-brainer. The > only concern I had was with the Vetta effects loop: its a relatively quiet > signal, and I could not get it to clip the RiffBox's input. This made it a > little bit hard to diagnose problems at first, and (pure speculation here) > may impact the RiffBox's ability to track events. > > Which leads us to "events"... definitely the most significant feature, and > probably what Gary's patent is all about. You can program the RiffBox to > count events - notes or chords that reach a given threshhold - as you play. > Looping begins automatically on the first event, and playback begins on the > (n+1)th event, where n is the count you specify. So, theoretically, you can > specify 8 events, play one bar of eighth notes, and RiffBox will repeat that > measure. What's cool is that it doesn't try to analyze tempo or anything, > it's just waiting on that next event, so you can play your measure square or > swing it very widely and the loop will still work fine. > > The challenge is that guitars sustain quite a lot, so if you are playing at > all quickly, you need to be playing evenly, with an intentional staccato, in > order for events to count out consistently. Gary's addressed this matter > creatively by allowing you to record a wet guitar signal while triggering > based on a dry one - sort of a sidechain concept. This helps a lot, but even > clean guitars are sustainy. Acoustics are more percussive and so fare a bit > better, but all told, at typical tempos (say 80-120 bpm) 8th notes are a > more realistic proposition than 16th notes. (More on this later.) > > The issues inherent in counting events aren't so gloomy though, since in > most cases you won't know the number of notes you intend to play in advance > anyway. 9 times out of 10 you'll use a manual mode - you hit the switch, and > the RiffBox loops beginning on the very next event. This is really just a > refinement of the typical looper, where you press the switch and looping > begins immediately. But its a BIG refinement. The result is glitchcore > without the glitches. A bit of practice and loops start coming out *very* > clean. And in this scenario you can play fast, legato runs without worry, so > long as the last note is distinct from the first, and you hit that pedal > somewhere in between. i.e. if there's a rest at the end of the measure(s), > you're golden. > > Once you've got a loop in there, there are many (too many for me to have > tested them in full in a mere week or two), many modes to determine how it > will then behave. All are variations on "stop after n repetitions", "fade > over n repetitions", etc. which, when combined with layering options make > for some cool, musical effects without the tap-dancing typically required. > > You can also wire this thing up to a drum machine or sequencer and when your > loop starts the drum machine will start, synced up at the correct tempo. > This is a cool feature, but I would love to see a mode that could follow my > tempo as I continued playing! > > I've e-mailed a couple of suggestions to Gary, most of them minor, and most > of which can be corrected in firmware at his discretion - things like > changing LED colors to make status more clear etc. One major concern I have > is that I find it pretty easy to accidentally stop a loop and not be able to > restart it (because I'm armed to record again), or to corrupt a loop with a > bad layer (to be clear, *my* bad playing LOL) and not be able to revert. I > think Gary's thinking these things through now, and maybe he can post his > thoughts here. > > My last and biggest recommendation concerns that whole "guitars are > sustainy" discussion above. Warning, this gets very geeky. Since I had my > guitar routed through a PC, I realized I might be able to process the "dry" > signal RiffBox was triggering on to help simulate a staccato signal, while > my playing as recorded and looped could remain as expressive as I like. I > still believe this can be done with an expansion algorithm or something. But > I didn't happen to have a plug-in that was right for the job. So instead, I > ran my guitar's MIDI output to a softsynth, set that to a very staccato > transient tone, and ran *that* output to the RiffBox. This improved > performance considerably when I tried to achieve consistent event counts. It > occurred to me that the RiffBox could probably be programmed to respond to > any MIDI Note On events as if they were event threshholds, and for keyboard > or guitarists with GK pickups the unit would benefit greatly. > > In conclusion: well, I guess I started with my conclusion. I think this box > is a very good value for the money, when I consider all the other loopers > I've tried that, for my purposes, proved completely unusable. Hopefully Gary > will manage to get some retail distibution. Check one out! > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 10:40:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BEaRR11574; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:36:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:36:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050511153013.02b8abd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:34:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: a way of networking audio together over ethernet In-Reply-To: <200505111320.j4BDKic27702@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505111320.j4BDKic27702@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0Pu2ND.A.7zC.HhhgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 14:20 11/05/05, you wrote: >I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet >using JACK so that might sort me out. http://www.apulsoft.ch/wormhole/index.php any help? it uses vst & au (pc & mac) a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 11:15:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BF2xm17729; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:02:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050511153013.02b8abd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200505111320.j4BDKic27702@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050511153013.02b8abd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25F6D14E-A519-4982-A11B-41E03FF67C01@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: a way of networking audio together over ethernet Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:01:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 11, 2005, at 16:34, a k butler wrote: > At 14:20 11/05/05, you wrote: > >> I think there may be a way of networking audio together over >> ethernet using JACK so that might sort me out. >> > > http://www.apulsoft.ch/wormhole/index.php > > any help? > it uses vst & au > (pc & mac) > > > a In the latest Apple system (10.4) there are also some new built in audio/midi network streaming options. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 11:36:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BFVwp21958; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:36:56 +0100 Subject: Re: a way of networking audio together over ethernet From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050511153013.02b8abd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198674218_72728" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <7cIueC.A.6VF.GVigCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198674218_72728 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Cheers Andy, I=B9ll check that out now. >=20 > Jeremy >=20 > At 14:20 11/05/05, you wrote: >> >I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet >> >using JACK so that might sort me out. >=20 > http://www.apulsoft.ch/wormhole/index.php >=20 > any help? > it uses vst & au > (pc & mac) >=20 >=20 > a=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3198674218_72728 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: a way of networking audio together over ethernet
Cheers Andy, I’ll check that out now.

Jeremy

At 14:20 11/05/05, you wrote:
>I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet <= BR> >using JACK so that might sort me out.

http://www.apulsoft.ch/= wormhole/index.php

any help?
it uses vst & au
(pc & mac)


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--B_3198674218_72728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 11:45:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BFdX223163; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:44:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Repeater question, was RE: Digitech JamMan??? Now Sooperlooper From: jeremy To: , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51147.213.100.44.49.1115823366.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198674690_139444" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198674690_139444 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Worth signing up to the user group =AD Jesse Chappell the software author is very interested in user feedback. Jeremy >=20 >=20 > Jeremy thanx a lot, > I'm trying SooperLooper right now. It sounds great so far! :) >=20 > St=E9phane >=20 >=20 >=20 >> > Repeater Manual is available on line. Worth going through this to chec= k >> > the >> > detail of what is and is not possible for yourself against what you pl= an >> > to >> > do. >> > >> > There is SooperLooper for OSX - a very exciting development for comput= er >> > looping which runs under JACK. Well worth checking out. I can get four >> > instances running on my iBook G4 933. >> > >> > Because I=B9m trying to run LOGIC with a dozen inputs, Jack, Sooperloope= r, >> > MidiClock, MOTU 828 mkII, Cuemix and a few other bits and bobs at once= I=B9m >> > going to need a faster computer though !!! >> > >> > I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet >> > using >> > JACK so that might sort me out. >> > >> > Best wishes >> > >> > Jeremy >> > >> > http://www.masse.org.uk >> > >> > >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hello to the list. >>> >> Talking about Repeater, i just bought a Loopstation RC-20XL and i'm = a >>> >> bit >>> >> disappointed so far. Mostly because i can't record several loops LIV= E & >>> >> then switch between phrases i just recorded. With the RC-20, pressin= g >>> >> SAVE >>> >> simply stops the loop you want to save. Plus you have to wait that t= he >>> >> loop is fully read to be able to read another, plus the UNDO functio= n >>> >> has >>> >> a latency. With the RC20 I end up playing with the same phrase for a= ges. >>> >> I want to be able to loop but also break the loop, cut it up or get = away >>> >> from it when needed. Basically i'd like to build a track live during= my >>> >> solo-sets (you could check my new record : >>> >> http://www.clumsybeats.org/rob_share.html ) >>> >> Someone recommended a REPEATER. It seems to be rare & expansive, eve= n >>> >> used. So i'm wondering if it's really tweakable. Can you really reco= rd >>> >> many phrases live and then play/tweak them by hand, like a sampler b= ut >>> >> with possibilities of layering & live processing?? >>> >> >>> >> I'm just looking for the right tool. Maybe someone created a real ti= me >>> >> sampling patch with Max MSP, Super Collider or Pure Data? Anyone hea= rd >>> >> of >>> >> that? >>> >> >>> >> Greetings from Sweden >>> >> St=E9phane >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >>> No, and Yes, >>>> >>> Can you create a loop of a given length, then create one of anothe= r >>>> >>> length, >>>> >>> and then one of another length, etc??....no, but what you can do i= s >>>> >>> create >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> loop, use the multiply function to double the original loops lengt= h, >>>> >>> create >>>> >>> another loop (track) over the longer loop length (say that ten tim= es >>>> >>> quickly), then use the multiply function again to increase the ove= rall >>>> >>> loop >>>> >>> length, and record another track, repeating the process. This does >>>> >>> allow >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> user to have loops of increasingly longer length, but as multiples= of >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> original loop length. Does that make sense? let me put it another = way, >>>> >>> You >>>> >>> can't have a one bar phrase followed by an eight bar phrase, foll= owed >>>> >>> by >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> five bar phrase, followed by a 3 bar phrase, but you can create a = loop, >>>> >>> create another loop twice as long, another loop twice again as lon= g, >>>> >>> etc, >>>> >>> all using the multiply function.... I will probably pony up for an= other >>>> >>> Repeater, and I would highly recommend it to even the most diehard >>>> >>> echoplex >>>> >>> dudes, particularly if they do indeed address some of the units is= sues. >>>> >>> Bill >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>> From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] >>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:34 AM >>>> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> >>> Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So ... quick dumb question ... will the Repeater allow you to have >>>> >>> multiple >>>> >>> loops of varying lengths playing simultaneously? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Repeater = V2 for >>>>> >>>> $499 >>>>> >>>> some days ago... >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great and >>>>>> >>>>> well-overdue >>>>>> >>>>> idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in function= ality >>>>>> >>>>> between this and the original JamMan (which I still own and lo= ve). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if= at all >>>>>> >>>>> possible) to have multiple loops **of different and >>>>>> >>>>> not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in the same= box. I >>>>>> >>>>> know >>>>>> >>>>> some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP= can >>>>>> >>>>> supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3198674690_139444 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Repeater question, was RE: Digitech JamMan??? Now Sooperlooper</= TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Monaco, Courier New"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0= px'>Worth signing up to the user group – Jesse Chappell the software a= uthor is very interested in user feedback. <BR> <BR> Jeremy<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Monaco, Courier= New"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'><BR> <BR> Jeremy thanx a lot,<BR> I'm trying SooperLooper right now. It sounds great so far! :)<BR> <BR> Stéphane<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> > Repeater Manual is available on line. Worth going through this to chec= k<BR> > the<BR> > detail of what is and is not possible for yourself against what you pl= an<BR> > to<BR> > do.<BR> ><BR> > There is SooperLooper for OSX - a very exciting development for comput= er<BR> > looping which runs under JACK. Well worth checking out. I can get four= <BR> > instances running on my iBook G4 933.<BR> ><BR> > Because I’m trying to run LOGIC with a dozen inputs, Jack, Soope= rlooper,<BR> > MidiClock, MOTU 828 mkII, Cuemix and a few other bits and bobs at once= I’m<BR> > going to need a faster computer though !!!<BR> ><BR> > I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet<= BR> > using<BR> > JACK so that might sort me out.<BR> ><BR> > Best wishes<BR> ><BR> > Jeremy<BR> ><BR> > <a href=3D"http://www.masse.org.uk">http://www.masse.org.uk</a><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >> Hello to the list.<BR> >> Talking about Repeater, i just bought a Loopstation RC-20XL and i'= m a<BR> >> bit<BR> >> disappointed so far. Mostly because i can't record several loops L= IVE &<BR> >> then switch between phrases i just recorded. With the RC-20, press= ing<BR> >> SAVE<BR> >> simply stops the loop you want to save. Plus you have to wait that= the<BR> >> loop is fully read to be able to read another, plus the UNDO funct= ion<BR> >> has<BR> >> a latency. With the RC20 I end up playing with the same phrase for= ages.<BR> >> I want to be able to loop but also break the loop, cut it up or ge= t away<BR> >> from it when needed. Basically i'd like to build a track live duri= ng my<BR> >> solo-sets (you could check my new record :<BR> >> <a href=3D"http://www.clumsybeats.org/rob_share.html">http://www.clu= msybeats.org/rob_share.html</a> )<BR> >> Someone recommended a REPEATER. It seems to be rare & expansiv= e, even<BR> >> used. So i'm wondering if it's really tweakable. Can you really re= cord<BR> >> many phrases live and then play/tweak them by hand, like a sampler= but<BR> >> with possibilities of layering & live processing??<BR> >><BR> >> I'm just looking for the right tool. Maybe someone created a real = time<BR> >> sampling patch with Max MSP, Super Collider or Pure Data? Anyone h= eard<BR> >> of<BR> >> that?<BR> >><BR> >> Greetings from Sweden<BR> >> Stéphane<BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >>> No, and Yes,<BR> >>> Can you create a loop of a given length, then create one of an= other<BR> >>> length,<BR> >>> and then one of another length, etc??....no, but what you can = do is<BR> >>> create<BR> >>> a<BR> >>> loop, use the multiply function to double the original loops l= ength,<BR> >>> create<BR> >>> another loop (track) over the longer loop length (say that ten= times<BR> >>> quickly), then use the multiply function again to increase the= overall<BR> >>> loop<BR> >>> length, and record another track, repeating the process. This = does<BR> >>> allow<BR> >>> the<BR> >>> user to have loops of increasingly longer length, but as multi= ples of<BR> >>> the<BR> >>> original loop length. Does that make sense? let me put it anot= her way,<BR> >>> You<BR> >>> can't  have a one bar phrase followed by an eight bar phr= ase, followed<BR> >>> by<BR> >>> a<BR> >>> five bar phrase, followed by a 3 bar phrase, but you can creat= e a loop,<BR> >>> create another loop twice as long, another loop twice again as= long,<BR> >>> etc,<BR> >>> all using the multiply function.... I will probably pony up fo= r another<BR> >>> Repeater, and I would highly recommend it to even the most die= hard<BR> >>> echoplex<BR> >>> dudes, particularly if they do indeed address some of the unit= s issues.<BR> >>> Bill<BR> >>><BR> >>> -----Original Message-----<BR> >>> From: jj 179 [<a href=3D"mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com]">mailto:j= j179subs@hotmail.com]</a><BR> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:34 AM<BR> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR> >>> Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan???<BR> >>><BR> >>><BR> >>> So ... quick dumb question ... will the Repeater allow you to = have<BR> >>> multiple<BR> >>> loops of varying lengths playing simultaneously?<BR> >>><BR> >>><BR> >>>> Sombody said something about a preorder option for the Rep= eater V2 for<BR> >>>> $499<BR> >>>> some days ago...<BR> >>>><BR> >>><BR> >>>><BR> >>>><BR> >>>>><BR> >>>>> Other than the large, removal memory (which is a great= and<BR> >>>>> well-overdue<BR> >>>>> idea), I can't tell that there's a huge difference in = functionality<BR> >>>>> between this and the original JamMan (which I still ow= n and love).<BR> >>>>><BR> >>>>> I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under= $500 if at all<BR> >>>>> possible) to have multiple loops **of different and<BR= > >>>>> not-necessarily-related lengths** looping together in = the same box. I<BR> >>>>> know<BR> >>>>> some of the more expensive units like the Repeater and= the EDP can<BR> >>>>> supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure like a cheaper op= tion. :}<BR> >>>>><BR> >>>>><BR> >>>><BR> >>><BR> >>><BR> >>><BR> >>><BR> >>><BR> >>><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Monaco, Courie= r New"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3198674690_139444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 11:51:13 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BFiMZ23707; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:44:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:44:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <spgoodman@earthlight.net> Message-ID: <003901c55640$3f4f8980$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" <spgoodman@earthlight.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <200505111320.j4BDKic27702@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050511153013.02b8abd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: a way of networking audio together over ethernet Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:43:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <Q75BKC.A.AyF.DhigCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/50224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 15:34 PM Subject: a way of networking audio together over ethernet > At 14:20 11/05/05, you wrote: >>I think there may be a way of networking audio together over ethernet >>using JACK so that might sort me out. > > http://www.apulsoft.ch/wormhole/index.php > > any help? > it uses vst & au > (pc & mac) ...but in Mono...? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 12:49:16 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BGaf932461; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:05 -0500 From: Jeff Larson <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> Subject: Re: RiffBox review In-reply-to: <NAELLCFCFGIPCHLPKHGGAEAACBAA.Marc.Benigni@yale.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42823475.50309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <NAELLCFCFGIPCHLPKHGGAEAACBAA.Marc.Benigni@yale.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <AATXpD.A.I6H.3RjgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/50225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Marc Benigni wrote: > The issues inherent in counting events aren't so gloomy though, since in > most cases you won't know the number of notes you intend to play in advance > anyway. 9 times out of 10 you'll use a manual mode - you hit the switch, and > the RiffBox loops beginning on the very next event. This is really just a > refinement of the typical looper, where you press the switch and looping > begins immediately. But its a BIG refinement. The result is glitchcore > without the glitches. A bit of practice and loops start coming out *very* > clean. And in this scenario you can play fast, legato runs without worry, so > long as the last note is distinct from the first, and you hit that pedal > somewhere in between. i.e. if there's a rest at the end of the measure(s), > you're golden. I read the manual a while ago, and I still have to wonder why this is such a BIG refinement? Sure, it takes some practice to hit a foot switch at the start/end of the loop. But from what you say, does it take any less practice to alter your playing style and set up side chains so that it can detect the start/end events? Personally, I don't have any problems pressing footswitches at the right times, and I like having the ability to end a loop on a "fade" without having to make an audible event. His mode concepts look interesting, but the whole event thing just seems like marketing hype. I would consider buying one to explore modes, but I would want a way to turn off events and just tap loop times. It also does not appear to support being a sync slave (not very well anyway), only a sync master. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 13:18:55 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BHE1j07838; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <Marc.Benigni@yale.edu> From: "Marc Benigni" <Marc.Benigni@yale.edu> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: RiffBox review Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: <NAELLCFCFGIPCHLPKHGGCEADCBAA.Marc.Benigni@yale.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <42823475.50309@sun.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2b (attachment(s) not renamed) Resent-Message-ID: <biDB1B.A.s0B.G0jgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/50226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with your point about being able to use it without events, and actually that was one of the first recommendations I made to Backline Engineering after my initial testing. If you use MIDI (controller or sequencer) you can have loops start and end immediately, irrespective of audio events. So I recommended a mode where the footswitch would be used the same way. This would make the RiffBox act like a traditional looper. Gary at B.E. is considering this for a firmware update. Personally, I had a very difficult time getting loops timed to my satisfaction on devices I've used in the past. I would generally need to start with a very simple loop, then layer above that based on timing which was somewhat incidental. The audio event trigger helps me get the right timing on the "base" loop. But if you've developed skill timing loops to your satisfaction with the gear you've got, then this might not add any value for you. As for acting as a sync slave, not entirely sure what you're expectations are. It doesn't support any time stretching or anything along those lines. It will start and stop based on external sequencers or audio triggers to let you loop within the confines of an established tempo, but I haven't really had any cause to test a setup like that yet. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RiffBox review Marc Benigni wrote: > The issues inherent in counting events aren't so gloomy though, since in > most cases you won't know the number of notes you intend to play in advance > anyway. 9 times out of 10 you'll use a manual mode - you hit the switch, and > the RiffBox loops beginning on the very next event. This is really just a > refinement of the typical looper, where you press the switch and looping > begins immediately. But its a BIG refinement. The result is glitchcore > without the glitches. A bit of practice and loops start coming out *very* > clean. And in this scenario you can play fast, legato runs without worry, so > long as the last note is distinct from the first, and you hit that pedal > somewhere in between. i.e. if there's a rest at the end of the measure(s), > you're golden. I read the manual a while ago, and I still have to wonder why this is such a BIG refinement? Sure, it takes some practice to hit a foot switch at the start/end of the loop. But from what you say, does it take any less practice to alter your playing style and set up side chains so that it can detect the start/end events? Personally, I don't have any problems pressing footswitches at the right times, and I like having the ability to end a loop on a "fade" without having to make an audible event. His mode concepts look interesting, but the whole event thing just seems like marketing hype. I would consider buying one to explore modes, but I would want a way to turn off events and just tap loop times. It also does not appear to support being a sync slave (not very well anyway), only a sync master. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 13:19:05 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BHDTf07617; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <ArsOcarina@aol.com> From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <a1.5eab00f2.2fb39708@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:12:40 EDT Subject: Re: Zurich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a1.5eab00f2.2fb39708_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <CFF6zD.A.v1B.Z0jgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/50227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a1.5eab00f2.2fb39708_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernhard, Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at:=20 http://loopfestival.com/ Michael Klobuchar - USA Michael Peters - Germany Mike Bearpark - UK Os - UK William Walker - USA Per Boysen - Sweden Luca Formentini - Italy Dan Mayfield - UK Christy Doran - Switzerland Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland Bruno Amstad - Switzerland Andreas Willers - electric guitar Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic Andr=E9 M=FCller - Switzerland Gareth Whittock - UK Rick Walker - USA Andy Butler - UK Matthias Loibner - Austria Eric Hunziker - Switzerland Christoph Grab - Switzerland Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland Marius Peyer - Switzerland Stefan Keller - Switzerland Andrej Jaku - Croatia Ivan Kapec - Croatia Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar James Sidlo - USA Fabio Anile - Italy Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland Christian R=F6ver=A0 - Germany Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_a1.5eab00f2.2fb39708_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Ari= al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Bernhard,<BR> <BR> Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.co= m/<BR> <BR> Michael Klobuchar - USA<BR> Michael Peters - Germany<BR> Mike Bearpark - UK<BR> Os - UK<BR> William Walker - USA<BR> Per Boysen - Sweden<BR> Luca Formentini - Italy<BR> Dan Mayfield - UK<BR> Christy Doran - Switzerland<BR> Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland<BR> Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland<BR> Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland<BR> Bruno Amstad - Switzerland<BR> Andreas Willers - electric guitar<BR> Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic<BR> Andr=E9 M=FCller - Switzerland<BR> Gareth Whittock - UK<BR> Rick Walker - USA<BR> Andy Butler - UK<BR> Matthias Loibner - Austria<BR> Eric Hunziker - Switzerland<BR> Christoph Grab - Switzerland<BR> Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland<BR> Marius Peyer - Switzerland<BR> Stefan Keller - Switzerland<BR> Andrej Jaku - Croatia<BR> Ivan Kapec - Croatia<BR> Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland<BR> Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar<BR> James Sidlo - USA<BR> Fabio Anile - Italy<BR> Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland<BR> R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland<BR> Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland<BR> Christian R=F6ver=A0 - Germany<BR> <BR> Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many<BR> familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck!<BR> <BR> Best regards,<BR> <BR> tEd =AE kiLLiAn</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#C0C0C0" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSS= ERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR> <BR> "Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR> <BR> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR> <BR> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR> <BR> "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3= "></FONT></HTML> --part1_a1.5eab00f2.2fb39708_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 15:26:54 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BJJV003938; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:19:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:19:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:19:02 -0500 From: Jeff Larson <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> Subject: Re: RiffBox review In-reply-to: <NAELLCFCFGIPCHLPKHGGCEADCBAA.Marc.Benigni@yale.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42825AA6.3080506@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <NAELLCFCFGIPCHLPKHGGCEADCBAA.Marc.Benigni@yale.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <uxFBD.A.y8.oqlgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/50228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Marc Benigni wrote: > As for acting as a sync slave, not entirely sure what you're expectations > are. It doesn't support any time stretching or anything along those lines. > It will start and stop based on external sequencers or audio triggers to > let you loop within the confines of an established tempo, but I haven't > really had any cause to test a setup like that yet. The manual says that the loop time can be defined with MIDI start (FA) and stop (FC) messages. But nowhere does it say that it responds to MIDI clocks. It will SEND them to a drum machine but it does not receive them. This will allow you to tap the loop length with a MIDI footswitch, but if you were controlling this with a sequencer, the sequencer and the loop will gradually go out of sync since they are not sharing the same clock. How noticeable this is depends on the amount of feedback however. Setting the length with MIDI stop is odd too. In order to have the sequencer and the looper be in sync, you'd have to start the sequencer (which starts the loop), then stop the sequencer (which ends the loop and starts it playing). But now the sequencer is stopped, so you have to start it again and there is no way to do that exactly in sync with the start of the loop. To work around this you'd have to have a MIDI track in the sequencer that sent start/stop messages to the looper at the right times rather than using the sequencer's own transport controls, workable but hard to control. To support slave sync properly, at minimum you have to be able to derive the tempo from incoming MIDI clocks, then when pressing the footswitch to start/end the loop, quantize the actual start/end to a "beat" as defined by the MIDI clocks. Beyond that, it would be nice to have a "beat multiplier" setting so you could quantize the loop boundary to a multiple of a beat, such as a 4 beat bar. With that, then you just leave the sequencer running and set up beat quantized loops at any time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 17:04:49 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BL1Gi30903; Wed, 11 May 2005 17:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <stanitarium@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:01:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Zurich From: <stanitarium@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: <BEA7C0B1.12BC4%stanitarium@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <a1.5eab00f2.2fb39708@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3198664881_144088_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <vDGrkD.A.WfH.NJngCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/50229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3198664881_144088_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable i concur should we look for DVD(s) down the line? :-) s Bernhard, Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.com/ Michael Klobuchar - USA Michael Peters - Germany Mike Bearpark - UK Os - UK William Walker - USA Per Boysen - Sweden Luca Formentini - Italy Dan Mayfield - UK Christy Doran - Switzerland Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland Bruno Amstad - Switzerland Andreas Willers - electric guitar Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic Andr=E9 M=FCller - Switzerland Gareth Whittock - UK Rick Walker - USA Andy Butler - UK Matthias Loibner - Austria Eric Hunziker - Switzerland Christoph Grab - Switzerland Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland Marius Peyer - Switzerland Stefan Keller - Switzerland Andrej Jaku - Croatia Ivan Kapec - Croatia Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar James Sidlo - USA Fabio Anile - Italy Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland Christian R=F6ver=A0 - Germany Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --MS_Mac_OE_3198664881_144088_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Zurich i concur
should we look for DVD(s) down the line? :-)
s

Bernhard,

Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.c= om/

Michael Klobuchar - USA
Michael Peters - Germany
Mike Bearpark - UK
Os - UK
William Walker - USA
Per Boysen - Sweden
Luca Formentini - Italy
Dan Mayfield - UK
Christy Doran - Switzerland
Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland
Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland
Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland
Bruno Amstad - Switzerland
Andreas Willers - electric guitar
Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic
Andr=E9 M=FCller - Switzerland
Gareth Whittock - UK
Rick Walker - USA
Andy Butler - UK
Matthias Loibner - Austria
Eric Hunziker - Switzerland
Christoph Grab - Switzerland
Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland
Marius Peyer - Switzerland
Stefan Keller - Switzerland
Andrej Jaku - Croatia
Ivan Kapec - Croatia
Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland
Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar
James Sidlo - USA
Fabio Anile - Italy
Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland
R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland
Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland
Christian R=F6ver=A0 - Germany

Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many
familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<= BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<= BR> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.&qu= ot;


--MS_Mac_OE_3198664881_144088_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 17:28:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BLOoD03436; Wed, 11 May 2005 17:24:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:24:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.209] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <42823475.50309@sun.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2nd Sunday Loop show/"community" Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:24:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2005 21:24:24.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDBA89C0:01C5566F] Resent-Message-ID: <6Pvt7B.A.E1.OgngCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wanted to send out a public, list-inclusive “thank you” to everyone who were involved and present at last week’s “Second Sunday Live Looping” show in Santa Cruz. First of all, to Rick Walker, who through his own tenacity and connections has made such a unique event possible. To Dan Soltzberg who put together a very eclectic and unique lineup of artists, and whose first production in Santa Cruz can be considered a success. Thanks. It was really an honor to be part of it. And to Matt Davignon and Amar & Samba who provided some wonderful, beautiful and diverse music that evening. And, while I have the bandwidth, perhaps I will re-open the debate of community within this little community of ours. While at the “second Sunday” show, I was able to really ponder the significance of this “spirit of community”. There is some debate here on the list as to whether the concept, or even the term, of “live looping” is appropriate or even necessary. There is also debate as to whether looping is an art-form in itself, a musical sub-genre, a technique, a means of production or an end product in its own right. It struck me, while listening to the diversity of musical expression at the Second Sunday show, that the debates over these things are quite null. Regardless of what we call it, we do have a “community” of musicians who use the techniques of looping as a motis operandi for their musical ventures. And, as such, we, the loopers, loopographers, or loopists, give support and credence to each of our efforts. The show this past Sunday featured a wide array of diverse musics. I certainly performed what might be called the most “accessible”, or the least “experimental” of the music on the bill (this is a deliberate choice for me as I make my living doing this, and for me to gig regularly my music must have at least some semblance of traditional form and melody). But all of the performers were quite supportive of each other (not merely glad-handing and giving the mutual back slapping stuff). We were, and are, genuinely interested and excited about what each artist is doing. Despite the diverse and divergent musical styles, we all do share a common trait, which is the use of looping in a live musical forum. There is much historical precedence for “art movements” to be started by the artists involved simply as a way of giving support, credence, and exposure to a new form or tendency within the artistic discipline. Now, I don’t want to go so far as to call looping a new “movement”, or genre of music (although there are those on this list which certainly do extol the merits thereof), but, the fact is, looping, and the multi-faceted uses of audio loops, have permeated all forms of the recording industry in such a way they are now “mainstream techniques”. The use of loops in a live situation is still a fairly uncharted course, which makes what many of do so exciting and fresh and new. The very existence of this list does, in some way, define us as a “community”. And, while quite a few of us are uncomfortable with the “live looping” moniker (perhaps seeing it as self-indulgent, or perhaps self-limiting), if creating a label for what we do, and therefore making possible “looping festivals” or multi-act shows of artists who use/feature looping can bring forth greater promotion of the tools and techniques we use; can give greater exposure to artists whose work will certainly fall far outside the mainstream (and whose prospects of “good” gigs becomes more and more limited), is this such a bad thing? (and, in case you hadn’t noticed, it seems that what we do is creating some sort of notice as there are several new, or re-vamped, performance based loopers hitting the market. And while many of these might be deficient of many of the features some of us more experienced loopists might crave, the fact they are being produced can be viewed as evidence that what we do is being noticed, and the act ,or art, of looping is creeping its way into all aspects of performance-oriented music.). So again I would like to thank Rick and Bill Walker, Dan Soltzberg (ghost7), Matt Davignon, and Amar & Samba…along with any and all of you who support shows such as “Second Sundays Looping Series”, and any other of the “looping festivals” and other one-off loop-based shows. For those of you lucky enough to be close to Santa Cruz (“the looping capital of the world”) , go to next month’s Second Sunday show (which, I believe, should be on June 12)….or better yet…play at one! Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 18:11:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BM2Hc09206; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Zurich Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:01:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you very much, Ted! I hadn't yet updated the site, so I take the opportunity to mention Tunji Beier, who will be performing together with Matthias Loibner. Thanks to everyone for your enthusiasm! I really appreciate! Bernhard PS: Everyone please pass the url on to all the obscure mailing lists, underground magazines, festival directories, Sound magazines in your city/state/country! I very much depend on you to create the biggest buzz possible to prove there's the need for such a festival! Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2005 19:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zurich Bernhard, Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.com/ Michael Klobuchar - USA Michael Peters - Germany Mike Bearpark - UK Os - UK William Walker - USA Per Boysen - Sweden Luca Formentini - Italy Dan Mayfield - UK Christy Doran - Switzerland Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland Bruno Amstad - Switzerland Andreas Willers - electric guitar Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic André Müller - Switzerland Gareth Whittock - UK Rick Walker - USA Andy Butler - UK Matthias Loibner - Austria Eric Hunziker - Switzerland Christoph Grab - Switzerland Ephrem Lüchinger - Switzerland Marius Peyer - Switzerland Stefan Keller - Switzerland Andrej Jaku - Croatia Ivan Kapec - Croatia Philipp "zurrigo" Zürcher - Switzerland Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar James Sidlo - USA Fabio Anile - Italy Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland Rätus Flisch - Switzerland Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland Christian Röver - Germany Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 18:34:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BMVlD13137; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-20 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:32:35 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000d01c55679$54477d50$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C55657.CD3763F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <1f2.98315be.2fb351d8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C55657.CD3763F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't *notice* anyone suggesting putting a stereo looper/long delay into the ALT 3/4 outs of a Mackie mixer or equivalent. Just pop the button in on the channel(s) you wish to loop then pop them out when = you're done. =20 Cheers, Scott M2 =20 http://www.dreamSTATE.to =20 ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: RobotFan@aol.com [mailto:RobotFan@aol.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Actually, I could hard pan my mixer and send only the left channel to = the DD-20. That kills the stereo advantage, but makes short work out of the problem. I just pan left the instruments that I want looped.=20 =20 However, after an evening playing with it, I'm wondering if I didn't = make a mistake just getting started with this. It's not like I thought it would = be at all.=20 =20 Because I want to capture parts in mid performance, it's very difficult = to do. I did play games where I play a bass line, add a rhythm (even added percussion) and then jammed over that, but that is really NOT what I = bought this for. I accompany myself fine in real time so making loops like that leaves my left hand doing little or nothing.=20 =20 I don't know, maybe I'll play around with it some more before I decide = this isn't for me.=20 =20 I can't even adequately explain what it is I'm trying to do with it. I = think the closest I can come to a description is that I want a "super = arpeggiator" that I program in real time in performance. Like, I'm jamming on a = groove and then capture a run on my lead synth which keeps repeating while I = play a counterpoint to that run. Then I seamlessly replace the first looped run with another, etc. etc. etc.=20 =20 Is that clear or am I doing a bad job of expressing this? =20 Carl =20 In a message dated 5/11/2005 12:45:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, biffoz@arczip.com writes: Well... there IS a limit to how much a small mixer can manage. My last sentence addresses fading the aux levels of instruments you don't want = to record. =20 There's no way around having to manage auxes to the looper input if you absolutely must have access to every instrument. The other approach is = to dedicate each looper/s to one or two specific instruments and get happy = with those limitations. =20 -Miko =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C55657.CD3763F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I didn't *notice* anyone = suggesting=20 putting a stereo looper/long delay
into the ALT 3/4 outs of a Mackie = mixer or=20 equivalent. Just pop the
button in on the channel(s) you = wish to loop=20 then pop them out when you're done.
 
Cheers,
Scott M2
 
http://www.dreamSTATE.to
ambientelectronicsoundscapes
http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com=
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = RobotFan@aol.com=20 [mailto:RobotFan@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 = 8:17=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Boss DD-20

Actually, I could hard pan my mixer and send only the left = channel to the=20 DD-20. That kills the stereo advantage, but makes short work out of = the=20 problem. I just pan left the instruments that I want looped.
 
However, after an evening playing with it, I'm wondering if I = didn't make=20 a mistake just getting started with this. It's not like I thought it = would be=20 at all.
 
Because I want to capture parts in mid performance, it's very = difficult=20 to do. I did play games where I play a bass line, add a rhythm (even = added=20 percussion) and then jammed over that, but that is really NOT what I = bought=20 this for. I accompany myself fine in real time so making loops like = that=20 leaves my left hand doing little or nothing.
 
I don't know, maybe I'll play around with it some more before I = decide=20 this isn't for me.
 
I can't even adequately explain what it is I'm trying to do with = it. I=20 think the closest I can come to a description is that I want a "super=20 arpeggiator" that I program in real time in performance. Like, = I'm=20 jamming on a groove and then capture a run on my lead synth which = keeps=20 repeating while I play a counterpoint to that run. Then I seamlessly = replace=20 the first looped run with another, etc. etc. etc.
 
Is that clear or am I doing a bad job of expressing this?
 
Carl
 
In a message dated 5/11/2005 12:45:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = biffoz@arczip.com writes:
Well... there IS a limit to how much a small mixer can manage. = My last=20 sentence addresses fading the aux levels of instruments you don't = want to=20 record.
 
There's no way around having to manage auxes to the looper = input if you=20 absolutely must have access to every instrument. The other = approach is=20 to dedicate each looper/s to one or two specific instruments and get = happy=20 with those limitations.
 
-Miko
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C55657.CD3763F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 19:37:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4BNYJ622260; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:34:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:41:14 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Zurich To: Message-id: <002001c55682$eddf51a0$f4e5a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C55661.64483F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C55661.64483F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is looking like a very impressive event. I wish I could be there!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Zurich Bernhard, Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at: = http://loopfestival.com/ Michael Klobuchar - USA Michael Peters - Germany Mike Bearpark - UK Os - UK William Walker - USA Per Boysen - Sweden Luca Formentini - Italy Dan Mayfield - UK Christy Doran - Switzerland Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland Bruno Amstad - Switzerland Andreas Willers - electric guitar Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic Andr=E9 M=FCller - Switzerland Gareth Whittock - UK Rick Walker - USA Andy Butler - UK Matthias Loibner - Austria Eric Hunziker - Switzerland Christoph Grab - Switzerland Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland Marius Peyer - Switzerland Stefan Keller - Switzerland Andrej Jaku - Croatia Ivan Kapec - Croatia Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar James Sidlo - USA Fabio Anile - Italy Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland Christian R=F6ver - Germany Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C55661.64483F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is looking like a very impressive = event. =20 I wish I could be there!!
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 = 1:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: Zurich

Bernhard,

Wow! What a wonderful = line-up=20 you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.com/

Mic= hael=20 Klobuchar - USA
Michael Peters - Germany
Mike Bearpark - = UK
Os -=20 UK
William Walker - USA
Per Boysen - Sweden
Luca Formentini - = Italy
Dan Mayfield - UK
Christy Doran - Switzerland
Wolfgang = Zwiauer-=20 Switzerland
Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland
Fabian Kuratli - = Switzerland
Bruno Amstad - Switzerland
Andreas Willers - = electric=20 guitar
Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic
Andr=E9 M=FCller -=20 Switzerland
Gareth Whittock - UK
Rick Walker - USA
Andy = Butler -=20 UK
Matthias Loibner - Austria
Eric Hunziker - = Switzerland
Christoph=20 Grab - Switzerland
Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland
Marius Peyer = -=20 Switzerland
Stefan Keller - Switzerland
Andrej Jaku - = Croatia
Ivan=20 Kapec - Croatia
Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland
Claude = Voit -=20 Acoustic Guitar
James Sidlo - USA
Fabio Anile - Italy
Ljubo=20 Majstorovic - Switzerland
R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland
Norbert = Pfammatter=20 - Switzerland
Christian R=F6ver  - = Germany

Congratulations on=20 putting such a terrific series together. So many
familiar names. So = may=20 thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck!

Best = regards,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but = better is=20 always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C55661.64483F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 11 21:56:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C1qPv07870; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y00Ue7BCqwJjT5qPfS4vGR5yMtZqBD9tAXsWWORW83nmYfDPP0kBMiOT7D//2spV; Message-ID: <410-2200554121544850@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Ted! RE: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!! Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:54:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940cc9234ef7fc5a5380af65abd6df7b9a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.149.232 Resent-Message-ID: <7IZ85C.A.x4B.RargCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII You are very welcome, my talented friend! Shred on! ~Tim M ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/10/2005 1:06:35 PM Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Ted! RE: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!! Thanks Tim! A few more of these and we can call it an internet birthday party!!! I was reading one of your posts (I believe) the other day and you made mention of some early Syd Barrett/Pink Floyd pieces you played. I'm another fan of that stuff (though I suppose you'd never know it) The double album "Ummagumma" was (and still is) one of my all-time favorite records. The only song on that i could ever really play though was "Grantchester Meadows" Anywho, thanks for the b-day wishes. Ted In a message dated 05/09/05 19:21:53, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday dear Ted Happy Birthday to you (one of the first looping songs ;-) Your Pal, Tim "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
You are very welcome, my talented friend!
Shred on!
~Tim M
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 5/10/2005 1:06:35 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Ted! RE: "Purple Hand" is great, and the best thing yet from Rick Walker!!!

Thanks Tim!

A few more of these and we can call it an internet birthday party!!!

I was reading one of your posts (I believe) the other day and you made
mention of some early Syd Barrett/Pink Floyd pieces you played.
I'm another fan of that stuff (though I suppose you'd never know it)
The double album "Ummagumma" was (and still is) one of my all-time
favorite records. The only song on that i could ever really play though
was "Grantchester Meadows"

Anywho, thanks for the b-day wishes.

Ted

In a message dated 05/09/05 19:21:53, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Ted
Happy Birthday to you
(one of the first looping songs ;-)

Your Pal,
Tim

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 00:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C45rh29608; Thu, 12 May 2005 00:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 1ebf262d211c6a31b5e5f93222a3651d Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.135; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42825AA6.3080506@sun.com> References: <42825AA6.3080506@sun.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:44:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RiffBox review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Marc Benigni wrote: >>As for acting as a sync slave, not entirely sure what you're expectations >>are. It doesn't support any time stretching or anything along those lines. >>It will start and stop based on external sequencers or audio triggers to >>let you loop within the confines of an established tempo, but I haven't >>really had any cause to test a setup like that yet. > >To support slave sync properly, at minimum you have to be able to derive >the tempo from incoming MIDI clocks, then when pressing >the footswitch to start/end the loop, quantize the actual >start/end to a "beat" as defined by the MIDI clocks. Beyond >that, it would be nice to have a "beat multiplier" setting so you >could quantize the loop boundary to a multiple of a beat, >such as a 4 beat bar. With that, then you just leave the sequencer >running and set up beat quantized loops at any time. quantize start/end is not continuous sync Marc is right that the flexible way to maintain sync is with time stretching as the Repeater does it. But its regulating behind, even oscillating sometimes... The EDPs slight correction seems to be more acurate - as long as the source tempo does not change -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 00:37:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C4aS601491; Thu, 12 May 2005 00:36:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:36:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:35:46 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: RiffBox review In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4282DD22.5080904@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <42825AA6.3080506@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > quantize start/end is not continuous sync > Marc is right that the flexible way to maintain sync is with time > stretching as the Repeater does it. But its regulating behind, even > oscillating sometimes... > The EDPs slight correction seems to be more acurate - as long as the > source tempo does not change Yes, I would prefer the equivalent of an automatic retrigger at the Global MIDI Start Point. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 01:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C56lt06509; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=o26hC5VWqBajMRuxqaESey0Fd/Jk1xwWiUS/kFcGnyNX6j9GMxh7fHjSOHdMyBs9CayZmtO0TJnpKAJ7np6cY1Je4+QC3XzsvgCs/68f7S6t40rm/ULKGaLD9TNO1vmYwtJLXqyr4Fg8VeYCaSYKh4UD8ZskiOA1ATj0OCfyU/I= ; Message-ID: <20050512050608.46103.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Alt 3/4 as Looper sends... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200505120156.j4C1uld08504@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3IUACB.A.2iB.HRugCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well it was quite specifically mentioned May I quote from my post of yesterday? " Now I'm seriously thinking about sending all my sound sources (keyboards and wind controllers) to a Mackie 3204 (16 stereo inputs) or a Samson PL2404 (12 stereo inputs), dividing them up in groups sending out through stereo aux sends 1 or 3, mono aux sends 2 or 4, or the mute/alt 3&4 switch. Then sending the various sends from the 3204 to the 1604, routing all my sound modifiers (including loopers) through the 1604." Stephen >>I didn't *notice* anyone suggesting putting a stereo looper/long delay into the ALT 3/4 outs of a Mackie mixer or equivalent. Just pop the button in on the channel(s) you wish to loop then pop them out when you're done.<< __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 01:25:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C5Nc608897; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,97,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="33727343:sNHT18518172" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050511221639.019ff3c0@.> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:20:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: OT: music biz article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9TUaED.A.PJC.SgugCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Short but interesting read over at the New Yorker about the music business and live performance: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050516ta_talk_surowiecki From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 02:36:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C6YZE17034; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 02:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Zurich Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:34:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c556bc$b1296e50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C556CD.74B23E50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002001c55682$eddf51a0$f4e5a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C556CD.74B23E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, me too... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2005 01:41 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Zurich This is looking like a very impressive event. I wish I could be there!! =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Zurich Bernhard, Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.com/ Michael Klobuchar - USA Michael Peters - Germany Mike Bearpark - UK Os - UK William Walker - USA Per Boysen - Sweden Luca Formentini - Italy Dan Mayfield - UK Christy Doran - Switzerland Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland Bruno Amstad - Switzerland Andreas Willers - electric guitar Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic Andr=E9 M=FCller - Switzerland Gareth Whittock - UK Rick Walker - USA Andy Butler - UK Matthias Loibner - Austria Eric Hunziker - Switzerland Christoph Grab - Switzerland Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland Marius Peyer - Switzerland Stefan Keller - Switzerland Andrej Jaku - Croatia Ivan Kapec - Croatia Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar James Sidlo - USA Fabio Anile - Italy Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland Christian R=F6ver - Germany Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C556CD.74B23E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Yeah,=20 me too...
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: David = Kirkdorffer=20 [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Mai = 2005=20 01:41
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re:=20 Zurich

This is looking like a very = impressive=20 event.  I wish I could be there!!
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 = 1:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: Zurich

Bernhard,

Wow! What a wonderful = line-up=20 you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.com/

Mic= hael=20 Klobuchar - USA
Michael Peters - Germany
Mike Bearpark - = UK
Os -=20 UK
William Walker - USA
Per Boysen - Sweden
Luca Formentini = -=20 Italy
Dan Mayfield - UK
Christy Doran - = Switzerland
Wolfgang=20 Zwiauer- Switzerland
Hans-Peter Pfammatter - = Switzerland
Fabian=20 Kuratli - Switzerland
Bruno Amstad - Switzerland
Andreas = Willers -=20 electric guitar
Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic
Andr=E9 = M=FCller -=20 Switzerland
Gareth Whittock - UK
Rick Walker - USA
Andy = Butler -=20 UK
Matthias Loibner - Austria
Eric Hunziker - = Switzerland
Christoph=20 Grab - Switzerland
Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland
Marius = Peyer -=20 Switzerland
Stefan Keller - Switzerland
Andrej Jaku - = Croatia
Ivan=20 Kapec - Croatia
Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - = Switzerland
Claude Voit -=20 Acoustic Guitar
James Sidlo - USA
Fabio Anile - Italy
Ljubo = Majstorovic - Switzerland
R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland
Norbert = Pfammatter - Switzerland
Christian R=F6ver  -=20 Germany

Congratulations on putting such a terrific series = together.=20 So many
familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. = Good=20 luck!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is = not always=20 better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. = Blah,=20 blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you = doesn't mean=20 you're an artist."
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C556CD.74B23E50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 02:51:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C6nre18883; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 02:49:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=aWm9llNMyfH6YlA2E0s4W4OHiEgsfMPD3BAxp3bihequHwHfde7fg8Zha8N7mRryAy02bFUuvHetnI2UR7EfzXQvj7zkjJsogtkDVPuLExekJVxfL6dFlfoJWyT8BqUcFEQ5mE99rl3XCF4lMa2qOQEukyQACGoNoboMYsOKHUE= ; Message-ID: <20050512064925.55748.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Chopitch question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, I am messing around with the chopitch plugin how fun thanx Matthias and Co.! but what i want to accompish is simulating DJ record manipulation at the end of a track in realtime,like a DJ slows it down with his hand bringing the pitch down till it stops, creating this woaaaaaaaowbrgg sound is this possible? Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 03:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4C7Fvj24036; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:15:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:15:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20050512064925.55748.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050512064925.55748.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7BB0F544-1385-4283-8B56-AAC733EFA257@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Chopitch question Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:14:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 12, 2005, at 8:49, L. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > I am messing around with the chopitch plugin how fun > thanx Matthias and Co.! > but what i want to accompish is simulating DJ record > manipulation at the end of a track in realtime,like a > DJ slows it down with his hand bringing the pitch down > till it stops, creating this woaaaaaaaowbrgg sound > is this possible? > Luis Hi Luis, There is also a VST plug-in named PitchScraper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 06:29:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CARa818235; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20050512121934.03cf5c10@pop.mail.yahoo.it> X-Sender: markellosnardoi@pop.mail.yahoo.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:26:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marcello Nardi Subject: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone I opened a topic on the boards of the Eivind Aarset dedicated forum on www.molvaer.de. Anyone interested in him and his music feel free to get a look. My question is: Where to start to collect equipment for looping? Where did you start? Anyone who wants to answer this is more than welcome in our forum. Thanks in advance, Marcello Nardi Eivind Aarset Forum Central Scrutinizer on Nils Petter Molvaer Fan Community www.molvaer.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 07:01:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CAxpL23330; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20050512121934.03cf5c10@pop.mail.yahoo.it> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20050512121934.03cf5c10@pop.mail.yahoo.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <253A3DD6-C660-431C-BC6E-130CD3AADB48@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:59:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <3SDqqD.A.DsF.KczgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 12, 2005, at 12:26, Marcello Nardi wrote: > Hi everyone > I opened a topic on the boards of the Eivind Aarset dedicated forum > on www.molvaer.de. Anyone interested in him and his music feel free > to get a look. > My question is: > > Where to start to collect equipment for looping? > Where did you start? > > Anyone who wants to answer this is more than welcome in our forum. > Thanks in advance, > > Marcello Nardi > > Eivind Aarset Forum Central Scrutinizer > on Nils Petter Molvaer Fan Community > www.molvaer.de Great tip, Marcello! I'll take a look. For a while I've been looking for Eivind to make an interview with him to be published in the biggest Scandinavian guitar player magazine. Maybe I can find some contact info at the forum? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 07:17:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CBF9Z24980; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20050512130613.03cf4530@pop.mail.yahoo.it> X-Sender: markellosnardoi@pop.mail.yahoo.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:13:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marcello Nardi Subject: Re: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper In-Reply-To: <253A3DD6-C660-431C-BC6E-130CD3AADB48@boysen.se> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20050512121934.03cf5c10@pop.mail.yahoo.it> <4.3.2.7.0.20050512121934.03cf5c10@pop.mail.yahoo.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Great tip, Marcello! I'll take a look. For a while I've been looking >for Eivind to make an interview with him to be published in the >biggest Scandinavian guitar player magazine. Maybe I can find some >contact info at the forum? > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >--- >www.looproom.com (international) >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >--> iTunes Music Store / / / >www.cdbaby.com/perboysen Hi Per, Thanks (and compliments for your mp3 track some days ago, really good). Actually Eivind is not an every-day visitor in our forum, but I know he sometimes takes a look just like Nils Petter. However we're always in contact with Paal Nyhus; you can try to contact him directly and ask. If not a better solution is to contact the site organizer, Fred, who maybe could help you. You can find him in our forum... Thanks, Marcello Nardi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 07:26:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CBNkL26595; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:53:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20050512121934.03cf5c10@pop.mail.yahoo.it> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4CBNQx26526 Resent-Message-ID: <-7Ytz.A.veG.vyzgCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started by chance when I came across the Loopers Delight website. I read all the manuals I could find online and tried the principles out on the equipment I happened to have. I also approached the new things I was finding out about like a child with a new toy... Delighting in what it COULD do and not worrying about what it couldn¹t. That was about four or five years ago. Computers are much faster, software loopers are now more of a practical reality. Time to go back to the playground and start all over again. Best wishes Jeremy jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > Hi everyone > I opened a topic on the boards of the Eivind Aarset dedicated forum on > www.molvaer.de. Anyone interested in him and his music feel free to get a > look. > My question is: > > Where to start to collect equipment for looping? > Where did you start? > > Anyone who wants to answer this is more than welcome in our forum. > Thanks in advance, > > Marcello Nardi > > Eivind Aarset Forum Central Scrutinizer > on Nils Petter Molvaer Fan Community > www.molvaer.de > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 07:52:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CBoNe31313; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=xsqI33aH2BzxhRBX9KSwvUpet0N10K1Ay7Dbb0+l6bvgGE83jE+UcO/hNllUWqwKxFMQLYItmdwFQnZJNSERAdYEwvcgybLq+dhND5JctFk6YDwFJYb5CpnBWDuF69iIV3LG37ESO8CeFhQJKRH1+MKgL718eCTt0d7qZNznCMs= ; Message-ID: <20050512114947.5156.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 04:49:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Chopitch question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx Per but is seems to be mac only, yeah? --- Per Boysen wrote: > On May 12, 2005, at 8:49, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > > I am messing around with the chopitch plugin how > fun > > thanx Matthias and Co.! > > but what i want to accompish is simulating DJ > record > > manipulation at the end of a track in > realtime,like a > > DJ slows it down with his hand bringing the pitch > down > > till it stops, creating this woaaaaaaaowbrgg sound > > is this possible? > > Luis > > > > Hi Luis, > > There is also a VST plug-in named PitchScraper. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 08:42:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CCdIL06378; Thu, 12 May 2005 08:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:39:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <7BB0F544-1385-4283-8B56-AAC733EFA257@boysen.se> References: <20050512064925.55748.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> <7BB0F544-1385-4283-8B56-AAC733EFA257@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3ddc02610cc2d812740e24226267d56f@telia.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brakophonic Subject: Re: Chopitch question Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:38:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you got a link ? i didn't manage do get a download link anywhere ? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-05-12 kl. 09.14 skrev Per Boysen: > There is also a VST plug-in named PitchScraper. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 08:59:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CCvXP08210; Thu, 12 May 2005 08:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Marc Benigni" To: Subject: RE: RiffBox review Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:57:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4282DD22.5080904@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recommended something similar to this, but again with an eye toward using the RiffBox as master rather than slave. As in my original review, I hoped that I could play through tempo changes and have a slaved drum machine or sequencer keep up/slow down. (I'm not really sure in practice whether this could be made to sound all that musical though...) Anyway, as to your other concerns re: slaving RiffBox to external masters via MIDI clock etc, I don't have any personal experience in using this or any other looper for those purposes. I'm primarily using it as a guitar effect at this point. If Gary at Backline should begin posting here you can bounce your questions off of him. One thing I've found is that he's very receptive to suggestions for improvements to the product - much of which can be done in firmware. In a few cases where a hardware mod would be required we've had to just talk about the possibility of a future Pro model, but I'm hoping that the unit I've already invested in will only get better. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RiffBox review Matthias Grob wrote: > quantize start/end is not continuous sync > Marc is right that the flexible way to maintain sync is with time > stretching as the Repeater does it. But its regulating behind, even > oscillating sometimes... > The EDPs slight correction seems to be more acurate - as long as the > source tempo does not change Yes, I would prefer the equivalent of an automatic retrigger at the Global MIDI Start Point. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 09:26:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CDNlj14586; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <3ddc02610cc2d812740e24226267d56f@telia.com> References: <20050512064925.55748.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> <7BB0F544-1385-4283-8B56-AAC733EFA257@boysen.se> <3ddc02610cc2d812740e24226267d56f@telia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BC3C98F-589C-42E9-83B1-3312725FA950@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Chopitch question Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:22:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 12, 2005, at 14:38, Brakophonic wrote: > Have you got a link ? > i didn't manage do get a download link anywhere ? > Gunnar Backman > Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics > E-mail brakophonic@telia.com > http://www.brakophonic.com > 2005-05-12 kl. 09.14 skrev Per Boysen: > I found PitchScraper at some Japanese site. Had to guess which link to click ;-) But you should be able to find the address by doing a search at the Ableton Live Forum. That's where I found the link to download it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 10:08:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CE5os21030; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:05:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:05:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c556fb$9d58f500$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <002001c55682$eddf51a0$f4e5a344@hppav> Subject: Re: Zurich Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:05:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C55703.FE446220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C55703.FE446220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ditto, only two things holding back - a new phase of renovation on the = house, and a wedding anniversary (5th, jeepers) on August 26. Sigh. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Kirkdorffer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 00:41 AM Subject: Re: Zurich This is looking like a very impressive event. I wish I could be = there!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Zurich Bernhard, Wow! What a wonderful line-up you've got up there at: = http://loopfestival.com/ Michael Klobuchar - USA Michael Peters - Germany Mike Bearpark - UK Os - UK William Walker - USA Per Boysen - Sweden Luca Formentini - Italy Dan Mayfield - UK Christy Doran - Switzerland Wolfgang Zwiauer- Switzerland Hans-Peter Pfammatter - Switzerland Fabian Kuratli - Switzerland Bruno Amstad - Switzerland Andreas Willers - electric guitar Petr Samojsky - Czech Republic Andr=E9 M=FCller - Switzerland Gareth Whittock - UK Rick Walker - USA Andy Butler - UK Matthias Loibner - Austria Eric Hunziker - Switzerland Christoph Grab - Switzerland Ephrem L=FCchinger - Switzerland Marius Peyer - Switzerland Stefan Keller - Switzerland Andrej Jaku - Croatia Ivan Kapec - Croatia Philipp "zurrigo" Z=FCrcher - Switzerland Claude Voit - Acoustic Guitar James Sidlo - USA Fabio Anile - Italy Ljubo Majstorovic - Switzerland R=E4tus Flisch - Switzerland Norbert Pfammatter - Switzerland Christian R=F6ver - Germany Congratulations on putting such a terrific series together. So many familiar names. So may thatt I'd love to hear 'em too. Good luck! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C55703.FE446220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ditto, only two things holding back - a new phase of = renovation on the house, and a wedding anniversary (5th, jeepers) on = August=20 26.  Sigh.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Kirkdorffer
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 = 00:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: Zurich

This is looking like a very = impressive=20 event.  I wish I could be there!!
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 = 1:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: Zurich

Bernhard,

Wow! What a wonderful = line-up=20 you've got up there at: http://loopfestival.com/

Mic= hael=20 Klobuchar - USA
Michael Peters - Germany
Mike Bearpark - = UK
Os -=20 UK
William Walker - USA
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------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C55703.FE446220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 10:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CEDVm23082; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c556fc$b7a3f490$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050511221639.019ff3c0@.> Subject: Re: music biz article Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:13:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Sean Echevarria" > Short but interesting read over at the New Yorker about the music business > and live performance: > > http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050516ta_talk_surowiecki Indeed! It would have been even more interesting though, if they had done something about the most profitable touring band of all time, the Grateful Dead. Jerry and the band made a lot more pioneering moves in that regard than Metallica, and I had read elsewhere in an examination of the GD's economic model's success that other San Francisco bands had learnt from it. Now if one could only tour from a single studio, putting on virtual performances with real feedback from the audiences everywhere. One of these days some scum from the Big Five will figure out how to do this on a basis of economy of scale, and either turn it into a Big Money Only Club, or mistakenly create a genre of performance that the rest of us benefit from as an accidental side effect... :) I vote for #2. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 10:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CEX6325800; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LSxQramVR2iCHhb3Gr4AFu15JfTsomhAyyMp/jSetMPiQJYpYReTKvu3rkwMIrJuNeOTB17Ll9eor4bfg1pq830qgnGudAI766JgPd1/z98fLd3iQjKuS0zhZwvPqHNgKKKNXSO1A18yu/jxj6j805Tmdd/jFy/PN5o7bqSjCgI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:32:15 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: music biz article In-Reply-To: <00b201c556fc$b7a3f490$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050511221639.019ff3c0@.> <00b201c556fc$b7a3f490$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4CEWMx25712 Resent-Message-ID: <3Xyrf.A.DSG.2j2gCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Dead economic model has been discussed so many times in the last ten years, mostly in articles about Phish who took it to the next level. I was surprised to read a glowing report of the concert industry, since despite outliers such as the Eagles and Simon & Garfunkle, the impression I'd gotten over the last few years was that it was in a slump. The virtual tour thing sounds like some record company plan to have all the revenue from touring except without all the audiences and travel. If they could just eliminate the band from this model, it'd be perfect. You'll always have to be in the same room as the performers to have a chance of experiencing the unique reward of live music. Radio broadcasts, TV concerts can be great, but it'll never be the same. On 5/12/05, SP Goodman wrote: > From: "Sean Echevarria" > > Short but interesting read over at the New Yorker about the music business > > and live performance: > > > > http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050516ta_talk_surowiecki > > Indeed! It would have been even more interesting though, if they had done > something about the most profitable touring band of all time, the Grateful > Dead. Jerry and the band made a lot more pioneering moves in that regard > than Metallica, and I had read elsewhere in an examination of the GD's > economic model's success that other San Francisco bands had learnt from it. > > Now if one could only tour from a single studio, putting on virtual > performances with real feedback from the audiences everywhere. One of these > days some scum from the Big Five will figure out how to do this on a basis > of economy of scale, and either turn it into a Big Money Only Club, or > mistakenly create a genre of performance that the rest of us benefit from as > an accidental side effect... :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 11:42:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CFeWG02918; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040501c55708$d5f05720$7928d40a@h3g.it> From: "Giorgio Robino" To: References: <253A3DD6-C660-431C-BC6E-130CD3AADB48@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:39:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suggest two freeware software solutions for PC: 1. Ambiloop (my preferred) http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ 2. ZoneMobius http://www.zonemobius.com/ Do not spend money for over-priced hardware devices :) giorgio http://solyaris.altervista.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, 12 May, 2005 12:59 Subject: Re: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper > On May 12, 2005, at 12:26, Marcello Nardi wrote: > >> Hi everyone >> I opened a topic on the boards of the Eivind Aarset dedicated forum >> on www.molvaer.de. Anyone interested in him and his music feel free >> to get a look. >> My question is: >> >> Where to start to collect equipment for looping? >> Where did you start? >> >> Anyone who wants to answer this is more than welcome in our forum. >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Marcello Nardi >> >> Eivind Aarset Forum Central Scrutinizer >> on Nils Petter Molvaer Fan Community >> www.molvaer.de > > > Great tip, Marcello! I'll take a look. For a while I've been looking > for Eivind to make an interview with him to be published in the > biggest Scandinavian guitar player magazine. Maybe I can find some > contact info at the forum? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 12:33:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CGVs010541; Thu, 12 May 2005 12:31:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:31:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050512172523.02b8d540@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:29:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #297 In-Reply-To: <200505121408.j4CE8BH21557@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505121408.j4CE8BH21557@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >quantize start/end is not continuous sync >Marc is right that the flexible way to maintain sync is with time >stretching as the Repeater does it. But its regulating behind, even >oscillating sometimes... >The EDPs slight correction seems to be more acurate - and improved greatly in loop4 >as long as the source tempo does not change :-( then it just loses sync. The other method worth mention is that used by the JamMan. ...just restarts the loop after counting the no. of MIDI notes set on the front panel. So in that case, if tempo speeds up you only get the first part of the loop, and if it slows you get a whole loop plus a bit more. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 13:39:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CHbnP21079; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:37:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:37:21 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050511221639.019ff3c0@.> Message-Id: <7EBB2C3E-C30C-11D9-B398-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, May 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Short but interesting read over at the New Yorker about the music > business and live performance: > > http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050516ta_talk_surowiecki > > Interesting article. From my vantage point, just gearing up for being on tour for most of the next 2 months, the situation for touring bands at the club level is improving as well. There are a bunch of bands on the circuit, mostly grouped under the "jamband" umbrella that are releasing their own records totally independently, but constantly touring. We kind of fit under this group, we're more of a jazz/electronica band, but our best support has come from the jamband scene. There are some bands regularly selling out 1000 seat clubs/theaters without any major label/major media support! We've definitely been seeing better gigs and more people coming out to shows in the last 3 years. Touring is a bitch to organize, and it's really difficult to arrange your life so you can be on the road for the time you need to be, but the rewards are pretty great. I was reading the liner notes to one of the "Ethiopiques" series of reissues of 60's/70's pop/funk/jazz from Ethiopia (highly recommended, BTW) about how the introduction of the cassette in the late 70's pretty much killed the domestic record industry. So the bands that succeeded had to rely on live performance, and treat recordings as free promo that got people out to the gigs. I think I see something like that happening here. We've sold a fair number of CD's, but the vast majority of sales we have done have been at live shows. As lame as many of the jambands can be, there is at best a sense that everyone is trying to create a unique experience at every gig, and that it's worth seeing some band several nights in a row because you won't see the same pre-packaged show. Or maybe it's the drugs, I dunno... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 14:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CIZ3H30346; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:35:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:35:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SC+WfyjuVIYTslLP/DAsT87SEN9Lln4bvudShp51lvstocVzNkNalw/pWbYWaJE3vGUPr00YlwmzFatoQP7C6rpsBcZIIapnF5vsG3xs2twkm6dugJFYb/koysKfVeRhSUKU9N03kDH1il3v3S1R9sMPISx9gq6QugJjgV7HTAQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d05051211342ce69713@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:34:32 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper In-Reply-To: <040501c55708$d5f05720$7928d40a@h3g.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <253A3DD6-C660-431C-BC6E-130CD3AADB48@boysen.se> <040501c55708$d5f05720$7928d40a@h3g.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4CIYWx30147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent suggestions, though both can be a bit initimidating. More limited, but easier to use and also free are the VST plugins: Angstrolooper: http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ Loopy Llama: http://rekliner.com/?PageID=14 A simple free VST host: Tobybear minihost http://www.tobybear.de/p_minihost.html On 5/12/05, Giorgio Robino wrote: > I suggest two freeware software solutions for PC: > > 1. Ambiloop (my preferred) > http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ > > 2. ZoneMobius > http://www.zonemobius.com/ > > Do not spend money for over-priced hardware devices :) > > giorgio > http://solyaris.altervista.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 12 May, 2005 12:59 > Subject: Re: Reccomended equipment for a beginning looper > > > On May 12, 2005, at 12:26, Marcello Nardi wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone > >> I opened a topic on the boards of the Eivind Aarset dedicated forum > >> on www.molvaer.de. Anyone interested in him and his music feel free > >> to get a look. > >> My question is: > >> > >> Where to start to collect equipment for looping? > >> Where did you start? > >> > >> Anyone who wants to answer this is more than welcome in our forum. > >> Thanks in advance, > >> > >> Marcello Nardi > >> > >> Eivind Aarset Forum Central Scrutinizer > >> on Nils Petter Molvaer Fan Community > >> www.molvaer.de > > > > > > Great tip, Marcello! I'll take a look. For a while I've been looking > > for Eivind to make an interview with him to be published in the > > biggest Scandinavian guitar player magazine. Maybe I can find some > > contact info at the forum? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 14:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CItAd00637; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> References: <42813E94.30807@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:54:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7--AXC.A.yI.3Z6gCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 10, 2005, at 6:07 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Do you do that as well? yes. sometimes i will build a nice long loop on the PCM-80 and then go to sleep on the couch in my studio. when i wake up the chorus of angels have become an army of demons bringing me out of dreamland. that's cool you use the word "cook". when i've talked about this "feature" of the PCM-80-as-looper i talk about "cooking" my loops overnight. after a couple of days it becomes absolute grunge, nearly indistinguishable from the original loop. On May 10, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Are you saying your gear mutates audio while it's in playback only > mode? mine does. the PCM-80 wasn't built as a looper, there is some hash added with each repetition ... it sounds like a combination of bit reduction, aliasing, and filtering. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 17:12:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CL8sY24285; Thu, 12 May 2005 17:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:09:54 -0800 Subject: ZoeKeating in SF From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com caught ZOE doing her loopthangg lastnite @ GreatAmericanMusicHall opening for RASPUTINA the goth(?) cello band she is also in... great Set Zoe! she had the audience enthralled...("goin do some cello looping" she said she said)...she played loops from her cd and some other stuff i dint recognise... a coupla REPEATER glitches..."an inexact science..." she had everyone in the palm of her hand :-) saw there-didnt see groupee Sean E. like i thought i should. thought i would see more bay area loop folk, oh well... goodonye Zoe(who probably wont see this since they're on this longass roadee) staninsanfran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 18:55:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4CMrDE04277; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050508112213.03c7f550@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:42:24 -0500 To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d05050706353e054a2c@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050508100447.10f19f68@m3ch.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4-BqSB.A.6BB.E59gCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:37 AM 5/8/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >The idea that there's more people with mics looking for a looper than >instrumentalists who need MIDI sync is symptomatic of the depth of >market research utilised by the typical looper manufacturer. Overall, I'd agree. I'm just trying to get inside Digitech's head and figure out where they're coming from. One other thing to consider is that they've been quite successful with their Vocalist line of effects. In fact, I think they just brought out another stompbox model to go up against the new one from TC Helicon. So, they know vocalists and their market. Or, at least, they know they've got a dedicated user base of vocalists/acoustic-instrumentalists that use their products. They probably know next-to-nothing about MIDI instrumentalists, especially in regard to stompboxes (rack-mount, they've got some pretty decent MIDI spec built in on a few of 'em). They're probably just sticking with their comfort zone. Digitech are also infamous for reusing parts of their technology in other devices. Their whole RP-series stomp lineup is merely the same chip with more functionality brought out on every successive model. If the Jamman does well, quite possibly they'll follow up with a Jamman+. Maybe that model will spec in MIDI. Like you, I'd much rather see MIDI in there too. But, assuming you take out the hardcore EDP and Repeater users here in the LD group, how many of those left are happily using hardware looping devices that don't support MIDI? Probably a lot. I'd guess that, unfortunately, those of us who rely heavily on MIDI sync are probably outnumbered by those who could care less, even in our own forum. Thus, I can't really blame Digitech for trying to go after a "bird in the hand" so to speak -- even if they didn't do enough research on the market before going for product release. For all we know, the possibility to leverage the Vocalist userbase may have been the pitch Product Management had to make in order to even get the darn thing built in the first place. I dunno. Like I said, I may not like it, but it doesn't come *completely* out of left field for me. --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 20:39:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4D0bn919902; Thu, 12 May 2005 20:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:37:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [128.114.163.191] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7EBB2C3E-C30C-11D9-B398-000A95A5D158@peak.org> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:36:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 00:36:31.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF0AC9E0:01C55753] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

The jamband  is definately the best thing going for playing to live audiences that actually listen,unless you're into the love boat thing playing moldy oldies for captive cruise ship  audience.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 21:07:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4D0x4023609; Thu, 12 May 2005 20:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Cc: "Rick Walker" Subject: Gig Spam: Adrian West at Brookdale Lodge near Santa Cruz, CA Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:58:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F6_01C5571C.2B694FF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-BfvrD.A.6fF.Bv_gCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F6_01C5571C.2B694FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey loopists, For those living in the Santa Cruz area, I'll be doing a short opening set of loops on 6-string electric violin and mandolin at the Brookdale Lodge in Ben Lomond, CA. Then I'll be joining the Alexis Harte Band who are headlining for the evening. Websites: mine - www.adrianwest.com Alexis Harte Band - www.alexisharte.com Come check us out if you're in the area! Adrian West ------=_NextPart_000_01F6_01C5571C.2B694FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 loopists,
 
    For=20 those living in the Santa Cruz area, I'll be doing a short opening set = of loops=20 on 6-string electric violin and mandolin at the Brookdale Lodge in = Ben=20 Lomond, CA.  Then I'll be joining the Alexis Harte Band who = are=20 headlining for the evening.
 
    Websites: mine - www.adrianwest.com    &nbs= p;    =20 Alexis Harte Band - www.alexisharte.com
 
    Come=20 check us out if you're in the area!
 
Adrian=20 West
------=_NextPart_000_01F6_01C5571C.2B694FF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 12 21:28:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4D1RFX28094; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:27:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:27:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [128.114.163.191] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00b201c556fc$b7a3f490$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: music biz article Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:26:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 01:26:09.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE37AC80:01C5575A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

 The Dead could live up to their name but they definately,singlhandedly pioneered the jamband scene-they also completely revolutionized concert audio.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 02:23:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4D6L5q03866; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:21:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:21:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:23:41 -0700 Subject: Re: music biz article Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-219268130 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8CD436FE-C377-11D9-B15B-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <8gpDt.A.67.2cEhCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-219268130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed As my beloved wife said of her(and my) beloved Grateful Dead . "To=20 reach the heights of ecstasy you have to be willing to suck , and NO=20 ONE in the history of modern music has been as willing to suck as the=20= Grateful Dead ." On Thursday, May 12, 2005, at 06:26 PM, samba - wrote: > =A0The Dead could live up to their name but they=20 > definately,singlhandedly pioneered the jamband scene-they also=20 > completely revolutionized concert audio. > --Apple-Mail-2-219268130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 As my beloved wife said of her(and my) beloved Grateful Dead . "To reach the heights of ecstasy you have to be willing to suck , and NO ONE in the history of modern music has been as willing to suck as the Grateful Dead ." On Thursday, May 12, 2005, at 06:26 PM, samba - wrote: =A0The Dead could live up to their name but they definately,singlhandedly pioneered the jamband scene-they also completely revolutionized concert audio. = --Apple-Mail-2-219268130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 03:47:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4D7k2r12632; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000d01c55679$54477d50$1602a8c0@studio> References: <000d01c55679$54477d50$1602a8c0@studio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <114b9bc212620114e24a484b4fb90889@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:44:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4D7j2x12533 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 11, 2005, at 5:32 PM, Scott M2 wrote: > I didn't *notice* anyone suggesting putting a stereo looper/long delay > into the ALT 3/4 outs of a Mackie mixer or equivalent. Just pop the > button in on the channel(s) you wish to loop then pop them out when > you're done. that's how i've always done it ... most flexibility. the LM3204 is probably the best mixer i've ever owned for this kind of stuff. it actually works better on those mute-buss (aka ALT 3/4 buss) mackies than on the true 4 buss mackies ... you have to run the loopers in all-wet on the 1604 lest you become skilled at hitting two buttons at once, latching one on and latching the other off. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 08:38:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DCahV19383; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:36:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:36:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <192.3fde52d5.2fb5f936@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:36:06 EDT Subject: Warming up to looping. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1115987765" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1115987765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last night my weekly rehearsal was canceled, so I spent the evening playing with my DD-20 instead. For the first 15 minutes or so, I was convinced that I'd be selling it and not looking back. I was still in the rut of playing something into it, then layering something over that and then something over THAT and then just soloing over the results. That sort of works like an on the fly recording session and I could do better work just multi tracking. That might be right for some but not for me. However, after a while I started to get used to starting and stopping it when I was just chugging along. Even hooked up with all of my keyboards going through it I would just "kick" the pedal and capture a couple of bars and then take things in another direction with the last phrase or two looping under me. At first this was cacophonous and again I was discouraged and seriously contemplating a liquidation. But after a while I was able to dovetail new phrases over old ones (bass lines, chords leadlines and all). NOW I was making music! I think that after a few weeks more of noodling around I'll be able to take this on the road. Thanks loop group! Carl -------------------------------1115987765 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Last night my weekly rehearsal was canceled, so I spent the evening pla= ying=20 with my DD-20 instead.
 
For the first 15 minutes or so, I was convinced that I'd be selling it=20= and=20 not looking back. I was still in the rut of playing something into it, then=20 layering something over that and then something over THAT and then just solo= ing=20 over the results. That sort of works like an on the fly recording session an= d I=20 could do better work just multi tracking. That might be right for some but n= ot=20 for me.
 
However, after a while I started to get used to starting and stopping i= t=20 when I was just chugging along. Even hooked up with all of my keyboards goin= g=20 through it I would just "kick" the pedal and capture a couple of bars and th= en=20 take things in another direction with the last phrase or two looping under m= e.=20
 
At first this was cacophonous and again I was discouraged and seriously= =20 contemplating a liquidation.
 
But after a while I was able to dovetail new phrases over old ones (bas= s=20 lines, chords leadlines and all).
 
NOW I was making music!
 
I think that after a few weeks more of noodling around I'll be able to=20= take=20 this on the road.
 
Thanks loop group!
 
Carl
 -------------------------------1115987765-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 10:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DEHPp00722; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:17:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:18:07 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: music biz article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004001c557c6$990af360$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <7EBB2C3E-C30C-11D9-B398-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting article. Before the rise of Beatles-related popular music, recorded music was seen as a bit of a "loss leader." You made records to promote your live performances or to promote your career in movies, not to make a living at recording. Artists were whisked in aod out of recording studios because it was too expensive to spend days re-recording the same thing. It could be argued that the technology didn't exist to warrant extra time in the studio, but then what were Les Paul and Stockhausen doing? The era of creating "studio masterpieces" may well be seen as a blip in the history of the performing arts. Another theme beneath all this is the artist/audience relationship in live performance. I posit an aesthetic of three broad categories: demonstration, performance, and concert. Some audiences seek a demonstration from the artist, often a reassurance that their shared values are at work. Certain classical performers, and certainly most oldies and classic rock tours fill this need. Some audiences share in the demonstration, as in punk and metal concerts where a mosh pit always forms, or the currently accepted place of the encore in live pop "demonstrations." Occasionally, and more rarely, a performance is encountered, where the audience is somehow brought beyond their preconceptions. Sometimes a performance carries the *artist* beyond their preconceptions. Rarest of all is a concert, where the audience and performer are brought into a higher realm, and this carries forward far beyond the time and place of the historical concert. Recorded music is predisposed towards a demonstration, a freezing of time. It is also a fetish object in and of itself that the recording industry seeks to alter on a regular basis. IMHO. dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 10:34:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DEUrF02144; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:30:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:30:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IRmK5eJypaEI+I4d0JAEh+fV1DTNxSlJ+q/1tXZo7aAj109j5if4Qt4GNNwWpdA0/dRNfqT40qsfpBPgMYSt3hLVgKRcQsmvpObXlIsGfKfaiW7yufO/AFHyv+vdtXBsCAZ7aRWPtcAZ0gX6zuzBD+ywcletau8VZOu0p6r9FbE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:30:15 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article In-Reply-To: <004001c557c6$990af360$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7EBB2C3E-C30C-11D9-B398-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <004001c557c6$990af360$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4DEUOx02023 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "studio masterpiece", but I think that there's going to be an increasing number of people who spend more time recording than performing since all the former requires is a little bit of money and a lot of time. HD recording encourages endless twiddling and complex things that weren't really feasible with analog recording and are now within the reach of just about anyone interested in it. Plus, one can avoid the possibility of real-time public ridicule by staying holed up in one's bedroom comping together performances and mucking around with plug-ins. On 5/13/05, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Interesting article. Before the rise of Beatles-related popular music, > recorded music was seen as a bit of a "loss leader." You made records to > promote your live performances or to promote your career in movies, not to > make a living at recording. Artists were whisked in aod out of recording > studios because it was too expensive to spend days re-recording the same > thing. It could be argued that the technology didn't exist to warrant extra > time in the studio, but then what were Les Paul and Stockhausen doing? The > era of creating "studio masterpieces" may well be seen as a blip in the > history of the performing arts. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 11:11:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DF9SJ11367; Fri, 13 May 2005 11:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c557cd$906de300$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7EBB2C3E-C30C-11D9-B398-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <004001c557c6$990af360$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:07:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 15:18 PM Subject: Re: OT: music biz article > Interesting article. Before the rise of Beatles-related popular music, > recorded music was seen as a bit of a "loss leader." You made records to > promote your live performances or to promote your career in movies, not to > make a living at recording. Artists were whisked in aod out of recording > studios because it was too expensive to spend days re-recording the same > thing. It could be argued that the technology didn't exist to warrant > extra > time in the studio, but then what were Les Paul and Stockhausen doing? The > era of creating "studio masterpieces" may well be seen as a blip in the > history of the performing arts. Unless one considers that for some the studio itself is a canvas, just as the orchestra was for Beethoven and other composers. Jimi Hendrix for example, who wasn't noticed by the big studios until he'd been on the chitlin circuit for years, and basically discovered via performance (I think of a story by Les Paul where he and his son were driving through NY State on the way home to Mahwah NJ (just over the border), and stopped at a club-bar for something to eat-drink, whereupon Les' son came back out saying something like "You've gotta hear this guy!"). After all that time on tour, Jimi learned to produce in-studio, developing recording tricks never really exploited before, and working on arrangements that you'd need much more than a few people to play if done live. And they wonder why Steely Dan didn't play live much...! > Recorded music is predisposed towards a demonstration, a freezing of time. > It is also a fetish object in and of itself that the recording industry > seeks to alter on a regular basis. IMHO. The established recording industry wouldn't know what to do with Jimi Hendrix if they encountered him for the first time in 2005, beyond buying him out and shelving him so to not make their existing acts look as lifeless, anti-creative and boring as they truly are. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 12:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DG8nm19087; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:08:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:08:59 -0700 Subject: Re: 2nd Sunday Loop show/"community" From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198820140_1308220" Resent-Message-ID: <9RVXiD.A.doE.zDNhCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198820140_1308220 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable There certainly is a robust, amazingly supportive community around this thing we do. Lucky us! For what it=B9s worth, this was how I defined =B3Live Looping=B2 in the press kit= s I sent out: About Live Looping Live looping is an art form in which musicians use technology to capture or =B3loop=B2 musical passages in real time, while playing. Once a phrase or sound is captured, it becomes an independent musical element, which the musician can repeat and alter, playing with it or against it. =20 Live Looping essentially allows a musician to act as his or her own ensemble, making it possible for performers to push the boundaries of their instruments and their musical imaginations to new and often far-reaching places. Live loopers create walls of layered sound, full compositions with multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible soundscapes, and are some of th= e most interesting and inventive musicians on the planet today. --------- Maybe live looping is a little like Cubism, or any other art movement. Cubists certainly didn=B9t invent painting, but they applied new techniques and a new way of conceptualizing to an extant art form. Dan --=20 ghost7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 5/11/05 2:24 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: >=20 >=20 > I wanted to send out a public, list-inclusive =93thank you=94 to everyone who > were involved and present at last week=92s =93Second Sunday Live Looping=94 sho= w > in Santa Cruz. >=20 > First of all, to Rick Walker, who through his own tenacity and connection= s > has made such a unique event possible. >=20 > To Dan Soltzberg who put together a very eclectic and unique lineup of > artists, and whose first production in Santa Cruz can be considered a > success. Thanks. It was really an honor to be part of it. >=20 > And to Matt Davignon and Amar & Samba who provided some wonderful, beauti= ful > and diverse music that evening. >=20 > And, while I have the bandwidth, perhaps I will re-open the debate of > community within this little community of ours. While at the =93second > Sunday=94 show, I was able to really ponder the significance of this =93spiri= t > of community=94. >=20 > There is some debate here on the list as to whether the concept, or even = the > term, of =93live looping=94 is appropriate or even necessary. There is also > debate as to whether looping is an art-form in itself, a musical sub-genr= e, > a technique, a means of production or an end product in its own right. >=20 > It struck me, while listening to the diversity of musical expression at t= he > Second Sunday show, that the debates over these things are quite null. > Regardless of what we call it, we do have a =93community=94 of musicians who = use > the techniques of looping as a motis operandi for their musical ventures. > And, as such, we, the loopers, loopographers, or loopists, give support a= nd > credence to each of our efforts. >=20 > The show this past Sunday featured a wide array of diverse musics. I > certainly performed what might be called the most =93accessible=94, or the le= ast > =93experimental=94 of the music on the bill (this is a deliberate choice for = me > as I make my living doing this, and for me to gig regularly my music must > have at least some semblance of traditional form and melody). But all of > the performers were quite supportive of each other (not merely glad-handi= ng > and giving the mutual back slapping stuff). We were, and are, genuinely > interested and excited about what each artist is doing. Despite the diver= se > and divergent musical styles, we all do share a common trait, which is th= e > use of looping in a live musical forum. >=20 > There is much historical precedence for =93art movements=94 to be started by = the > artists involved simply as a way of giving support, credence, and exposur= e > to a new form or tendency within the artistic discipline. Now, I don=92t w= ant > to go so far as to call looping a new =93movement=94, or genre of music > (although there are those on this list which certainly do extol the merit= s > thereof), but, the fact is, looping, and the multi-faceted uses of audio > loops, have permeated all forms of the recording industry in such a way > they are now =93mainstream techniques=94. The use of loops in a live situati= on > is still a fairly uncharted course, which makes what many of do so exciti= ng > and fresh and new. >=20 > The very existence of this list does, in some way, define us as a > =93community=94. And, while quite a few of us are uncomfortable with the =93l= ive > looping=94 moniker (perhaps seeing it as self-indulgent, or perhaps > self-limiting), if creating a label for what we do, and therefore making > possible =93looping festivals=94 or multi-act shows of artists who use/featu= re > looping can bring forth greater promotion of the tools and techniques w= e > use; can give greater exposure to artists whose work will certainly fall = far > outside the mainstream (and whose prospects of =93good=94 gigs becomes more a= nd > more limited), is this such a bad thing? > (and, in case you hadn=92t noticed, it seems that what we do is creating so= me > sort of notice as there are several new, or re-vamped, performance based > loopers hitting the market. And while many of these might be deficient o= f > many of the features some of us more experienced loopists might crave, th= e > fact they are being produced can be viewed as evidence that what we do is > being noticed, and the act ,or art, of looping is creeping its way into a= ll > aspects of performance-oriented music.). >=20 > So again I would like to thank Rick and Bill Walker, Dan Soltzberg (ghost= 7), > Matt Davignon, and Amar & Samba=85along with any and all of you who support > shows such as =93Second Sundays Looping Series=94, and any other of the =93loop= ing > festivals=94 and other one-off loop-based shows. For those of you lucky > enough to be close to Santa Cruz (=93the looping capital of the world=94) , g= o > to next month=92s Second Sunday show (which, I believe, should be on June > 12)=85.or better yet=85play at one! >=20 > Max >=20 >=20 --B_3198820140_1308220 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: 2nd Sunday Loop show/"community" There certainly is a robust, amazingly supportive comm= unity around this thing we do. Lucky us!

For what it’s worth, this was how I defined “Live Looping”= ; in the press kits I sent out:

About Live Looping

Live looping is an art form in which musicians use technology to capture or= “loop” musical passages in real time, while playing. Once a phr= ase or sound is captured, it becomes an independent musical element, which t= he musician can repeat and alter, playing with it or against it.

 
Live Looping essentially allows a musician to act as his or her own ensembl= e, making it possible for performers to push the boundaries of their instrum= ents and their musical imaginations to new and often far-reaching places. Li= ve loopers create walls of layered sound, full compositions with multiple co= unterpoint lines, and incredible soundscapes, and are some of the most inter= esting and inventive musicians on the planet today.

---------

Maybe live looping is a little like Cubism, or any other art movement. Cubi= sts certainly didn’t invent painting, but they applied new techniques = and a new way of conceptualizing to an extant art form.

Dan


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on 5/11/05 2:24 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote:



I wanted to send out a public, list-inclusive ?thank you? to everyone who <= BR> were involved and present at last week?s ?Second Sunday Live Looping? show =
in Santa Cruz.

First of all, to Rick Walker, who through his own tenacity and connections =
has made such a unique event possible.

To Dan Soltzberg who put together a very eclectic  and unique lineup o= f
artists, and whose first production in Santa Cruz can be considered a
success.  Thanks.  It was really an honor to be part of it.

And to Matt Davignon and Amar & Samba who provided some wonderful, beau= tiful
and diverse music that evening.

And, while I have the bandwidth, perhaps I will re-open the debate of
community within this little community of ours.  While at the ?second =
Sunday? show, I was able to really ponder the significance of this ?spirit =
of community?.

There is some debate here on the list as to whether the concept, or even th= e
term, of ?live looping? is appropriate or even necessary.  There is al= so
debate as to whether looping is an art-form in itself, a musical sub-genre,=
a technique, a means of production or an end product in its own right.

It struck me, while listening to the diversity of musical expression at the=
Second Sunday show, that the debates over these things are quite null. &nbs= p;
Regardless of what we call it, we do have a ?community? of musicians who us= e
the techniques of looping as a motis operandi for their musical ventures. &= nbsp;
And, as such, we, the loopers, loopographers, or loopists, give support and=
credence to each of our efforts.

The show this past Sunday featured a wide array of diverse musics.  I =
certainly performed what might be called the most ?accessible?, or the leas= t
?experimental? of the music on the bill (this is a deliberate choice for me=
as I make my living doing this, and for me to gig regularly my music must <= BR> have at least some semblance of traditional form and melody).  But all= of
the performers were quite supportive of each other (not merely glad-handing=
and giving the mutual back slapping stuff).  We were, and are, genuine= ly
interested and excited about what each artist is doing. Despite the diverse=
and divergent musical styles, we all do share a common trait, which is the =
use of looping in a live musical forum.

There is much historical precedence for ?art movements? to be started by th= e
artists involved simply as a way of giving support, credence, and exposure =
to a new form or tendency within the artistic discipline.  Now, I don?= t want
to go so far as to call looping a new ?movement?, or genre of music
(although there are those on this list which certainly do extol the merits =
thereof), but, the fact is, looping, and the multi-faceted uses of audio loops, have permeated all forms of  the recording industry in such a w= ay
they are now ?mainstream techniques?.  The use of loops in a live situ= ation
is still a fairly uncharted course, which makes what many of do so exciting=
and fresh and new.

The very existence of this list does, in some way, define us as a
?community?.   And, while quite a few of us are uncomfortable wit= h the ?live
looping? moniker (perhaps seeing it as self-indulgent, or perhaps
self-limiting), if creating a label for what we do, and therefore making possible ?looping festivals? or  multi-act shows of artists who use/fe= ature
looping can bring forth greater  promotion of  the tools and tech= niques we
use; can give greater exposure to artists whose work will certainly fall fa= r
outside the mainstream (and whose prospects of ?good? gigs becomes more and=
more limited), is this such a bad thing?
(and, in case you hadn?t noticed, it seems that what we do is creating some=
sort of notice as there are several new, or re-vamped, performance based loopers hitting the market.  And while many of these might be deficien= t of
many of the features some of us more experienced loopists might crave, the =
fact they are being produced can be viewed as evidence that what we do is <= BR> being noticed, and the act ,or art, of looping is creeping its way into all=
aspects of performance-oriented music.).

So again I would like to thank Rick and Bill Walker, Dan Soltzberg (ghost7)= ,
Matt Davignon, and Amar & Samba?along with any and all of you who suppo= rt
shows such as ?Second Sundays Looping Series?, and any other of the ?loopin= g
festivals? and other one-off loop-based shows.  For  those of you= lucky
enough to be close to Santa Cruz (?the looping capital of the world?) , go =
to next month?s Second Sunday show (which, I believe, should be on  Ju= ne
12)?.or better yet?play at one!

Max



 --B_3198820140_1308220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 14:09:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DI6uo03721; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:06:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:06:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c557e6$d16db650$1adc5651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: Subject: Ego tripping Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:08:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4284ED3502D8=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=======AVGMAIL-4284ED3502D8======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C557EF.331595A0" ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C557EF.331595A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: 2nd Sunday Loop show/"community"I liked your definition of live = looping... "Live loopers create walls of layered sound, full compositions with = multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible soundscapes, and are some of = the most interesting and inventive musicians on the planet today" Enough to our egos for a while dont you think?...:) Dan www.danmayfield.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C557EF.331595A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: 2nd Sunday Loop show/"community"
I liked your definition of live = looping...
 
"Live loopers = create walls of=20 layered sound, full compositions with multiple counterpoint lines, and=20 incredible soundscapes, and are some of the most interesting and = inventive=20 musicians on the planet today"
 
Enough to our egos for a while dont you=20 think?...:)
 
Dan
www.danmayfield.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C557EF.331595A0-- --=======AVGMAIL-4284ED3502D8======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 09/05/2005 --=======AVGMAIL-4284ED3502D8=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 14:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DIVd906402; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 7.457532 secs Process 34462) Message-ID: <53201.213.100.44.49.1116008998.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:29:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 2nd Sunday Loop show/'community' From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there. i'm so happy that i found this community. since i joined this list, a couple of days ago only, i've been a bit unsure about the meaning of that word "loop". i am really into real time captures & sampling at the moment. but i'm often trying to get away from loops, understood as something repeated & expected. personally i'm using loops but breaking, hacking, going back & forth between variations & repetition. i hope i'm still part of the group ;) i'll try to be in zurich in august but until then can you tell me what live looping means for you. i suppose the meaning is different for everyone. ok. but does looping necessarily have to do with repetition for example? sorry if this is an old debate for some of you. stéphane, stockholm www.clumsybeats.org > There certainly is a robust, amazingly supportive community around this > thing we do. Lucky us! > > For what it¹s worth, this was how I defined ³Live Looping² in the press > kits > I sent out: > > About Live Looping > > Live looping is an art form in which musicians use technology to capture > or > ³loop² musical passages in real time, while playing. Once a phrase or > sound > is captured, it becomes an independent musical element, which the musician > can repeat and alter, playing with it or against it. > > > Live Looping essentially allows a musician to act as his or her own > ensemble, making it possible for performers to push the boundaries of > their > instruments and their musical imaginations to new and often far-reaching > places. Live loopers create walls of layered sound, full compositions with > multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible soundscapes, and are some of > the > most interesting and inventive musicians on the planet today. > > --------- > > Maybe live looping is a little like Cubism, or any other art movement. > Cubists certainly didn¹t invent painting, but they applied new techniques > and a new way of conceptualizing to an extant art form. > > Dan > > > -- > > ghost7 | Orange > http://www.envelopeproductions.com > http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 > > > > on 5/11/05 2:24 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> I wanted to send out a public, list-inclusive “thank you” to everyone >> who >> were involved and present at last week’s “Second Sunday Live Looping” >> show >> in Santa Cruz. >> >> First of all, to Rick Walker, who through his own tenacity and >> connections >> has made such a unique event possible. >> >> To Dan Soltzberg who put together a very eclectic and unique lineup of >> artists, and whose first production in Santa Cruz can be considered a >> success. Thanks. It was really an honor to be part of it. >> >> And to Matt Davignon and Amar & Samba who provided some wonderful, >> beautiful >> and diverse music that evening. >> >> And, while I have the bandwidth, perhaps I will re-open the debate of >> community within this little community of ours. While at the “second >> Sunday” show, I was able to really ponder the significance of this >> “spirit >> of community”. >> >> There is some debate here on the list as to whether the concept, or even >> the >> term, of “live looping” is appropriate or even necessary. There is also >> debate as to whether looping is an art-form in itself, a musical >> sub-genre, >> a technique, a means of production or an end product in its own right. >> >> It struck me, while listening to the diversity of musical expression at >> the >> Second Sunday show, that the debates over these things are quite null. >> Regardless of what we call it, we do have a “community” of musicians who >> use >> the techniques of looping as a motis operandi for their musical >> ventures. >> And, as such, we, the loopers, loopographers, or loopists, give support >> and >> credence to each of our efforts. >> >> The show this past Sunday featured a wide array of diverse musics. I >> certainly performed what might be called the most “accessible”, or the >> least >> “experimental” of the music on the bill (this is a deliberate choice for >> me >> as I make my living doing this, and for me to gig regularly my music >> must >> have at least some semblance of traditional form and melody). But all >> of >> the performers were quite supportive of each other (not merely >> glad-handing >> and giving the mutual back slapping stuff). We were, and are, genuinely >> interested and excited about what each artist is doing. Despite the >> diverse >> and divergent musical styles, we all do share a common trait, which is >> the >> use of looping in a live musical forum. >> >> There is much historical precedence for “art movements” to be started by >> the >> artists involved simply as a way of giving support, credence, and >> exposure >> to a new form or tendency within the artistic discipline. Now, I don’t >> want >> to go so far as to call looping a new “movement”, or genre of music >> (although there are those on this list which certainly do extol the >> merits >> thereof), but, the fact is, looping, and the multi-faceted uses of audio >> loops, have permeated all forms of the recording industry in such a way >> they are now “mainstream techniques”. The use of loops in a live >> situation >> is still a fairly uncharted course, which makes what many of do so >> exciting >> and fresh and new. >> >> The very existence of this list does, in some way, define us as a >> “community”. And, while quite a few of us are uncomfortable with the >> “live >> looping” moniker (perhaps seeing it as self-indulgent, or perhaps >> self-limiting), if creating a label for what we do, and therefore making >> possible “looping festivals” or multi-act shows of artists who >> use/feature >> looping can bring forth greater promotion of the tools and techniques >> we >> use; can give greater exposure to artists whose work will certainly fall >> far >> outside the mainstream (and whose prospects of “good” gigs becomes more >> and >> more limited), is this such a bad thing? >> (and, in case you hadn’t noticed, it seems that what we do is creating >> some >> sort of notice as there are several new, or re-vamped, performance based >> loopers hitting the market. And while many of these might be deficient >> of >> many of the features some of us more experienced loopists might crave, >> the >> fact they are being produced can be viewed as evidence that what we do >> is >> being noticed, and the act ,or art, of looping is creeping its way into >> all >> aspects of performance-oriented music.). >> >> So again I would like to thank Rick and Bill Walker, Dan Soltzberg >> (ghost7), >> Matt Davignon, and Amar & Samba…along with any and all of you who >> support >> shows such as “Second Sundays Looping Series”, and any other of the >> “looping >> festivals” and other one-off loop-based shows. For those of you lucky >> enough to be close to Santa Cruz (“the looping capital of the world”) , >> go >> to next month’s Second Sunday show (which, I believe, should be on June >> 12)….or better yet…play at one! >> >> Max >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 14:46:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DIjGc07926; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: What is Looping but repetition Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:43:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <53201.213.100.44.49.1116008998.squirrel@213.100.44.49> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVX6lIFpue6ZIarTw+5BU0B+/c7fgAASi7Q Message-Id: <20050513184404.YMBW26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, to loop is to repeat-- Depending on how much presence of mind you have left, variations can be achieved--but it always involves recycling existing material. What's your opinion? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 14:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DIqu508976; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: what is music but changes in air pressure Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:53:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c557ed$190cc4a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20050513184404.YMBW26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4DIqRx08927 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Gary, see subject Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 20:44 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: What is Looping but repetition Oh yeah, to loop is to repeat-- Depending on how much presence of mind you have left, variations can be achieved--but it always involves recycling existing material. What's your opinion? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 14:55:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DIraL09082; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:53:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.649117 secs Process 38012) Message-ID: <53304.213.100.44.49.1116010386.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <20050513184404.YMBW26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <53201.213.100.44.49.1116008998.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <20050513184404.YMBW26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:53:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: What is Looping but repetition From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm just curious. i'm not sure it has to be. one can also use many loops and switch. then repetition becomes less present in minds... > Oh yeah, to loop is to repeat-- > Depending on how much presence of mind you have left, variations can be > achieved--but it always involves recycling existing material. > What's your opinion? > Gary > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 15:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DJBUT12344; Fri, 13 May 2005 15:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:13:06 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: music biz article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002701c557ef$cdb33040$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you're absolutely right, Travis, about "an increasing number of people who spend more time recording than performing." I think this has already come to pass. I think this probably first took place in the 1980s with the rise of four-track cassette recorders. However, the economic incentive to spend countless hours with recording gear may be gone. I used the term "studio masterpieces" to refer to commercial recordings that don't reflect a performance-based aesthetic that are then embraced by a large number of consumers. Y'know, "Pet Sounds" Smile" "Revolver" Sgt. Pepper's" "Hotel California" "Houses of the Holy/Physical Graffitti/The Presence" "In A Silent Way" etc. etc. And of course there is the observation that, with all this recording gear available, where are the masterpieces? My own take is this: the vast majority of "studio masterpieces" were created by artists who established themselves as live performers first. I bet we all have our favorite "studio masterpieces" by unknown artists because the artist didn't go out and hit the road either before or after the creation of said masterpiece. I also believe very deeply, and largely from personal experience and observation, that the music *business* is one of the worst in the Western world, and one must be either extremely unbalanced or extremely focused to be a part of it. Lots of brilliant music will be made, and kept within a small circle of devoted listeners, because the means of mass distribution is corrupt. dB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: OT: music biz article > I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "studio masterpiece", but I > think that there's going to be an increasing number of people who > spend more time recording than performing since all the former > requires is a little bit of money and a lot of time. HD recording > encourages endless twiddling and complex things that weren't really > feasible with analog recording and are now within the reach of just > about anyone interested in it. Plus, one can avoid the possibility of > real-time public ridicule by staying holed up in one's bedroom comping > together performances and mucking around with plug-ins. > > On 5/13/05, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > Interesting article. Before the rise of Beatles-related popular music, > > recorded music was seen as a bit of a "loss leader." You made records to > > promote your live performances or to promote your career in movies, not to > > make a living at recording. Artists were whisked in aod out of recording > > studios because it was too expensive to spend days re-recording the same > > thing. It could be argued that the technology didn't exist to warrant extra > > time in the studio, but then what were Les Paul and Stockhausen doing? The > > era of creating "studio masterpieces" may well be seen as a blip in the > > history of the performing arts. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 17:30:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DLS0l30962; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:28:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42851BB9.2050502@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:27:21 -0700 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alt 3/4 as Looper sends... References: <20050512050608.46103.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050512050608.46103.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The SOLO bus also works well, with the added bonus that you get a pair of red and green lights telling you what's routed to the looper at any given time. With the 3204, you also have the option of splitting ALT 3/4 out to RTN 3, so you can keep your looper at 100% mix and not worry so much about balancing wet/dry signals. S V G wrote: > Well it was quite specifically mentioned > May I quote from my post of yesterday? > > " Now I'm seriously thinking about sending all my sound sources (keyboards and wind >controllers) to a Mackie 3204 (16 stereo inputs) or a Samson PL2404 (12 stereo inputs), dividing >them up in groups sending out through stereo aux sends 1 or 3, mono aux sends 2 or 4, or the >mute/alt 3&4 switch. Then sending the various sends from the 3204 to the 1604, routing all my >sound modifiers (including loopers) through the 1604." > > Stephen > > > > > >>>I didn't *notice* anyone suggesting putting a stereo looper/long delay >>> >>> >into the ALT 3/4 outs of a Mackie mixer or equivalent. Just pop the >button in on the channel(s) you wish to loop then pop them out when you're done.<< > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 19:01:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DMxh014549; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:59:09 +0100 Subject: Re: What is Looping but repetition... Not necessarily From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050513184404.YMBW26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4DMwcx13020 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recycling existing material is not necessarily repeating what was played originally. A few things I¹ve tried..... Using feedback pedal or swell pedal to fade notes into the loop Output volume down until your curiosity gets the better of you. Dropping straight into reverse after record, feedback at zero Play insert, scroll backwards and forwards over section (rec/play) Play insert in rhythm with half-speed function (rec/play) Play mute button rhythmically (start and continuous) The substitute button Flip mode Processing the sends to loopers Processing the returns from the loopers Sending dry only or wet only to the loopers The off switch Pitch shift on Repeater ³Plate spinning² i.e. Constantly maintaining/remaking a loop. Taking time to play before looping a phrase ­ only loop when you need to Play ratty little noises, play quietly, leave space, orchestrate I¹m sure there¹s more. What I hope to achieve by these techniques is that the listener will not recognize the loop as what has just been played ­ it¹s a new thing. Best wishes Jeremy jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > Oh yeah, to loop is to repeat-- > Depending on how much presence of mind you have left, variations can be > achieved--but it always involves recycling existing material. > What's your opinion? > Gary > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 19:15:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4DNEDh17889; Fri, 13 May 2005 19:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c55811$54cee260$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20050513184404.YMBW26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: What is Looping but repetition Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:12:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Gary Lehmann" > Oh yeah, to loop is to repeat-- > Depending on how much presence of mind you have left, variations can be > achieved--but it always involves recycling existing material. > What's your opinion? Each loop can be a different layer of paint, in a developing canvas. On that level it's not recycling at all, unless the material being looped is a pre-recorded sample. Then you WOULD be reusing something. The loop if used as a layer-to-layer additive process is more like a canvas one is painting, and if they're all your brush strokes, all the better. IMNSHO. Good question. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 20:07:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4E064X26076; Fri, 13 May 2005 20:06:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:06:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Cc: "Rick Walker" Subject: Gig Spam: Adrian West at Brookdale Lodge near Santa Cruz Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:04:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <42825AA6.3080506@sun.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks, I forgot to give the date and time of the show when I posted this message earlier. How brilliant is that? Here is the information again, with date and time: For those living in the Santa Cruz area, I'll be doing a short opening set of loops on 6-string electric violin, mandolin and vocals at the Brookdale Lodge in Ben Lomond, CA. Then I'll be joining the Alexis Harte Band who are headlining for the evening. Date: Saturday May 14th at 9:00 pm Websites: mine - www.adrianwest.com Alexis Harte Band - www.alexisharte.com Brookdale Lodge - www.brookdalelodge.com Come check us out if you're in the area! Adrian West www.adrianwest.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 21:56:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4E1sI409336; Fri, 13 May 2005 21:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.69aa4df5.2fb6b099@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:38:33 EDT Subject: Re: Warming up to looping. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.69aa4df5.2fb6b099_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.18.202 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.69aa4df5.2fb6b099_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/13/05 8:36:54 AM, RobotFan@aol.com writes: >=20 > At first this was cacophonous and again I was discouraged and seriously=20 > contemplating a liquidation. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > But after a while I was able to dovetail new phrases over old ones (bass=20 > lines, chords leadlines and all). >=20 > =A0 >=20 > NOW I was making music! >=20 >=20 carl.....i most humbly think that you have to spend a little time with a too= l=20 such as a looper.....almost every "box" i ever bought, i wanted it so=20 badly, got it and hated it, played more with it and it was always a happy=20 investment.....give it a little more time (it's FREE).....LOOPADDICTION.....= i'm just=20 learning to use "silence" in my loops.....have fun.....i am!.....mic --part1_5b.69aa4df5.2fb6b099_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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At first this was cacophonous and again I was discouraged and seriously cont= emplating a liquidation.

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But after a while I was able to dovetail new phrases over old ones (bass li= nes, chords leadlines and all).

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carl.....i most humbly think that you have to spend a little time with a too= l such as a looper.....almost every "box"  i ever bought, i wanted it=20= so badly, got it and hated it, played more with it and it was always a happy= investment.....give it a little more time (it's FREE).....LOOPADDICTION....= .i'm just learning to use "silence" in my loops.....have fun.....i am!.....m= ic --part1_5b.69aa4df5.2fb6b099_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 13 23:01:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4E2wON17598; Fri, 13 May 2005 22:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:58:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42856786.9060100@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:50:46 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #425 for May 12, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050512.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #425 May 12, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on the Atlanta Georgia-based TouchXtone. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Two." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Macula Transfer" by Edgar Froese on Brain Records, released in 1976. I played the music of artists who will be appearing at local events; Jonn Serrie at the Gathering Concert Series and Mark Jenkins, Recompas, Mikronesia, and TouchXtone at the electro-music festival. Details and links are at the EMUSIC events page. TouchXtone - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#may Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:00 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Edgar Froese pa 701 Macula Transfer (Brain) Mark Jenkins Nutty Puppet If the World Were Turned On Its Head, We Would Walk Among the Stars (AMP) Jonn Serrie Fantasy Passages And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Recompas dubone Definition (Nophi) Mikronesia title unknown Tissue Paper Ghosts ++ Kagermann, Keller, Alle Wasser laufen ins The Liquid Session (Manikin) Schonwalder & Friends 12:00 am TouchXtone Dub Chill 1 Two (none) TouchXtone Titans and Chariots Two (none) TouchXtone Subterranean Two (none) TouchXtone Cat Got Your Tongue? Two (none) TouchXtone Ice Palace Two (none) TouchXtone Imperial Standoff Two (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on TouchXtone. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Java Monkey." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer Voice" by Robert Schroeder on Racket Records, released in 1984. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 00:42:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4E4ebN31843; Sat, 14 May 2005 00:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 04:40:07 +0000 Message-Id: <051420050440.29775.428581270009410B0000744F22070009530196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29775_1116045607_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29775_1116045607_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "The concern of the musician is music. The concern of the professional musician is business" R.Fripp I believe this statement defines as a rule the difference between most players I've met so far this lifetime as well as the general roster of this list. Speaking of which, on the recent thread of community, I wanted to say that of the 5 loopers I've met in person via the LD list over the years, none of them are still list members. Just an observation from my time here on the list, techno-primitive that I am..... bryan helm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29775_1116045607_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
"The concern of the musician is music.
The concern of the professional musician is business"
                                                     R.Fripp
 
I believe this statement defines as a rule the difference between most players I've met so far this lifetime as well as the general roster of this list. Speaking of which, on the recent thread of community, I wanted to say that of the 5 loopers I've met in person via the LD list over the years, none of them are still list members. Just an observation from my time here on the list, techno-primitive that I am.....
 
 
                                                                       bryan helm
                                                            
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29775_1116045607_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 00:58:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4E4q8100743; Sat, 14 May 2005 00:52:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:52:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=36/V98+8JA+KMkPgckfW5Cv+vq9ZVH0daaxC0MsephW0kD2Qb6+A9OG4bIOkmjoNt0JOmy7bVHXqLhUu1mXpSZ9WxwDqQXIWXi5zMn9kDdeIVx7OO09ycY/RUUe+gkPMgJaUHasgz+L3Eu9H8pcfXn4GdvKxobFeAtO3cBYjP8U= ; Message-ID: <20050514045131.19972.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: OT: music biz article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-909420735-1116046291=:19144" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-909420735-1116046291=:19144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "The music business is a dark, plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." ---Hunter S. Thompson loopbozo@comcast.net wrote: "The concern of the musician is music. The concern of the professional musician is business" R.Fripp I believe this statement defines as a rule the difference between most players I've met so far this lifetime as well as the general roster of this list. Speaking of which, on the recent thread of community, I wanted to say that of the 5 loopers I've met in person via the LD list over the years, none of them are still list members. Just an observation from my time here on the list, techno-primitive that I am..... bryan helm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-909420735-1116046291=:19144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
"The music business is a dark, plastic hallway
where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs.
There's also a negative side."
                                                                    ---Hunter S. Thompson

loopbozo@comcast.net wrote:
"The concern of the musician is music.
The concern of the professional musician is business"
                                                     R.Fripp
 
I believe this statement defines as a rule the difference between most players I've met so far this lifetime as well as the general roster of this list. Speaking of which, on the recent thread of community, I wanted to say that of the 5 loopers I've met in person via the LD list over the years, none of them are still list members. Just an observation from my time here on the list, techno-primitive that I am.....
 
 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-909420735-1116046291=:19144-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 03:52:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4E7osj25082; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:50:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:50:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5761c61d20df4b9b410ba81fa7156f73@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: 220V power supply for a Boomerang? Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:50:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9089c00e65811f4e08abdf7b296ea3088350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: <3oj87C.A.CHG.82ahCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have any experience with a 220V power supply for the Boomerang? I want to use mine in the UK. The Godlyke doesn't appear to work. Thanks, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 05:22:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4E9KmR02797; Sat, 14 May 2005 05:20:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 05:20:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26845384-E7B0-45E0-83A1-E62598B6F35F@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: What is Looping but repetition... Not necessarily Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:19:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4E9Jrx02713 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 14, 2005, at 0:59, jeremy wrote: > Recycling existing material is not necessarily repeating what was > played > originally. A few things I’ve tried..... > > Using feedback pedal or swell pedal to fade notes into the loop > Output volume down until your curiosity gets the better of you. > Dropping straight into reverse after record, feedback at zero > Play insert, scroll backwards and forwards over section (rec/play) > Play insert in rhythm with half-speed function (rec/play) > Play mute button rhythmically (start and continuous) > The substitute button > Flip mode > Processing the sends to loopers > Processing the returns from the loopers > Sending dry only or wet only to the loopers > The off switch > Pitch shift on Repeater > “Plate spinning” i.e. Constantly maintaining/remaking a loop. > Taking time to play before looping a phrase – only loop when you > need to > Play ratty little noises, play quietly, leave space, orchestrate > > I’m sure there’s more. What I hope to achieve by these techniques > is that > the listener will not recognize the loop as what has just been > played – it’s > a new thing. Very interesting to sum up available looping options like that! If we leave EDP territory for a while and look into using different software there are many nice techniques that use random calculations to mangle the loop while the musician records (overdubs) into the loop. I find that extremely interesting. Yesterday I set up a looping environment in Live 4 with randomly shifting rhythmic volume patterns of two parallel loopers. On each 4th note there is the probability of 1 to 11 for the rhythmic pattern to change to a different pattern. Since loopers, panned left-right, change patterns randomly, there is almost never the exact poly rhythm in volume envelopes. Not in the stereo pulsation either. It's simply cooking. Add to that the fact that just using two, or more, loopers simultaneously will create different non static texture if different loop lengths are used. And finally, when I transpose the pitch of the two loops the loop length is changing. Higher pitch gives shorter loop length. When pitch transposing is done to loops in recording/ overdub mode old layers (recorded at a different pitch) take on a new rhythm. And this can be done even more non linear: if you go from C to F you can set up the pedal to transpose loop one five semi tones up and loop two seven semi tones down. I'm definitely with Jeremy: Repetition is not what defines looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 07:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EBKnI17022; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:20:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:20:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:19:41 +0200 From: numbernine X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Reply-To: numbernine X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18812339943.20050514131941@gmx.net> To: Per Boysen Subject: Re[2]: What is Looping but repetition... Not necessarily In-Reply-To: <26845384-E7B0-45E0-83A1-E62598B6F35F@boysen.se> References: <26845384-E7B0-45E0-83A1-E62598B6F35F@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PB> I'm definitely with Jeremy: Repetition is not what defines looping. I see repetition as one of the most important tools for composition (could be the repetition of a musical phrase but also the repetition of musical parameters or just the repetition of the length between two beats). To repeat or not to repeat something is what keeps the music between tension and relaxation and gives the listener a feeling of safety or irritation. Even if looping does not mean to repeat whatever all the time and there is a lot of ways to escape boring repetitions, I think that looping deals with repetition. Even if you do not repeat the possibility is there. So maybe the possible repetition defines looping? Still I like to imagine a loop visually, from car racing to hoola-hoop to möbius loops out of paper, there is endless ways to play with a loop. These pictures give me a more precise imagination of what loop-music can be as I could describe it. Matthias PB> On May 14, 2005, at 0:59, jeremy wrote: >> Recycling existing material is not necessarily repeating what was >> played >> originally. A few things I’ve tried..... >> >> Using feedback pedal or swell pedal to fade notes into the loop >> Output volume down until your curiosity gets the better of you. >> Dropping straight into reverse after record, feedback at zero >> Play insert, scroll backwards and forwards over section (rec/play) >> Play insert in rhythm with half-speed function (rec/play) >> Play mute button rhythmically (start and continuous) >> The substitute button >> Flip mode >> Processing the sends to loopers >> Processing the returns from the loopers >> Sending dry only or wet only to the loopers >> The off switch >> Pitch shift on Repeater >> “Plate spinning” i.e. Constantly maintaining/remaking a loop. >> Taking time to play before looping a phrase – only loop when you >> need to >> Play ratty little noises, play quietly, leave space, orchestrate >> >> I’m sure there’s more. What I hope to achieve by these techniques >> is that >> the listener will not recognize the loop as what has just been >> played – it’s >> a new thing. PB> Very interesting to sum up available looping options like that! If we PB> leave EDP territory for a while and look into using different PB> software there are many nice techniques that use random calculations PB> to mangle the loop while the musician records (overdubs) into the PB> loop. I find that extremely interesting. Yesterday I set up a looping PB> environment in Live 4 with randomly shifting rhythmic volume patterns PB> of two parallel loopers. On each 4th note there is the probability of PB> 1 to 11 for the rhythmic pattern to change to a different pattern. PB> Since loopers, panned left-right, change patterns randomly, there is PB> almost never the exact poly rhythm in volume envelopes. Not in the PB> stereo pulsation either. It's simply cooking. PB> Add to that the fact that just using two, or more, loopers PB> simultaneously will create different non static texture if different PB> loop lengths are used. And finally, when I transpose the pitch of the PB> two loops the loop length is changing. Higher pitch gives shorter PB> loop length. When pitch transposing is done to loops in recording/ PB> overdub mode old layers (recorded at a different pitch) take on a new PB> rhythm. And this can be done even more non linear: if you go from C PB> to F you can set up the pedal to transpose loop one five semi tones PB> up and loop two seven semi tones down. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 09:27:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EDPnv00444; Sat, 14 May 2005 09:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4285FACA.4080000@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:19:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 14, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050514.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #67 May 14, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also played music of artists and bands to be appearing in the area at the New Jersey Proghouse, the Gathering, and electro-music 2005. New Jersey Proghouse - http://njproghouse.com The Gathering - http://www.thegatherings.org electro-music - http://event.electro-music.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Jeffrey Koepper] Between Dreams E-dition #1 (Groove) VA [Kees Aerts] Undelivered Delivery E-dition #1 (Groove) VA [Michael Stearns] Neon Sheba E-dition #1 (Groove) Wave World Odyssey Part V Dimensions (Quantum) Jonn Serrie And the Stars Go With And the Stars Go With You (New You World) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Tim Story] Glass Green Relaxation (Windham Hill) VA [schonherz and Bayangume Relaxation (Windham Hill) Scott] Dave Peck Rutenga Station Endo-Spectra (none) Kitaro Dancing Flower Sacred Journey of Ku-Kai Vol.2 (Domo) Amy X. Neuburg My God Residue (Other Minds) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Hidria Spacefolk Kokkola Live Eleven am (NEARfest) Hidria Spacefolk Pangaia Live Eleven am (NEARfest) Kaipa The Dodger Mind Revolutions (InsideOut) Proto~Kaw Theophany Before Became After (InsideOut) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in four weeks on May 14. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I will also play music from artists appearing at the electro-music 2005 festival. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 13:30:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EHStY03599; Sat, 14 May 2005 13:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:30:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 220V power supply for a Boomerang? X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5761c61d20df4b9b410ba81fa7156f73@sprintmail.com> References: <5761c61d20df4b9b410ba81fa7156f73@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, > Anyone have any experience with a 220V power supply for the Boomerang? The power supply from a POD works with the Boomerang. Note, it needs an 9V/700mA AC power supply - not DC as is more common. Luckily I had another AC wallwart lying around that worked so I could use the POD and 'rang at the same time! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 14:42:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EIfH313938; Sat, 14 May 2005 14:41:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:41:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <5761c61d20df4b9b410ba81fa7156f73@sprintmail.com> References: <5761c61d20df4b9b410ba81fa7156f73@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C710FAA-5384-4590-B3FE-F384E6F7BC6F@sonosphere.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: 220V power supply for a Boomerang? Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:40:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: sphere X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - megs15.100mwh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonosphere.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 14, 2005, at 0:50, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Anyone have any experience with a 220V power supply for the > Boomerang? I want to use mine in the UK. The Godlyke doesn't > appear to work. Dunno about the Boomerang but next month I'm taking several items to Europe so I just bought a generic 220<->110 transformer. e.g. http:// dvdoverseas.com/voltage_converters.htm Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 15:37:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EJZXA20730; Sat, 14 May 2005 15:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.68.104] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8CD436FE-C377-11D9-B15B-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: music biz article Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:34:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2005 19:34:27.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0D50C70:01C558BB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

It takes alot of courage to take chances by launching into free form improv in front of 40,000 people,and get lost ,in the willingness to try and find something fresh in the moment.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 15:44:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EJggq21220; Sat, 14 May 2005 15:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:42:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.68.104] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002001c557cd$906de300$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:42:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2005 19:42:03.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[010B7B00:01C558BD] Resent-Message-ID: <2iwy9.A.HLF.SSlhCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Les Paul in a guitar player mag interview said he was so blown away by hendrix that he rushed off to take car e of his biz,and when he came back hendrix was gone-the bartender said "that guy?I fir4ed him .he was too crazy" We may have been just that close to Les Paul producing Hendrix

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 15:46:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EJidi21496; Sat, 14 May 2005 15:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:44:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.68.104] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002001c557cd$906de300$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:43:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2005 19:43:41.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B0677B0:01C558BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Hemdrix was hired to open for the Monkees on tour,but that didn't last long

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 16:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EK5sL26652; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.68.104] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <051420050440.29775.428581270009410B0000744F22070009530196010D9F010104@comcast.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:47:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2005 19:47:51.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0340320:01C558BD] Resent-Message-ID: <3zcWpD.A.ofG.rnlhCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

The concern of the primitive musician is communicating between the  all the humans present,and the spirits and ancestors,so that all are connected. These days it's called entrainment. Such an attitude will do more for success on the business side than most approaches.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 16:31:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EKTaQ29336; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J5enQJbt0cEP3WpzIRMQjlbOfg6Tgacc/SUVtsRpeSmPWIQGBaBYxYO+y2w/l7u3tsaokh+HOFm78CmNHNqS+UwBOaxjhykxrrzRa7MLOm97H9xMRl/n1IkfooLTjJdzdas5wGjePCjZUnOuUJXGa7RCK9WA1bOi4teIbsiuXfQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:28:42 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: music biz article In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8CD436FE-C377-11D9-B15B-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4EKSox29255 Resent-Message-ID: <3Oj9MC.A.cJH.D-lhCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Particularly if you're stone-cold sober and facing a similiar discriminating audience of people who aren't caught up in a cult of hero worship. On 5/14/05, samba - wrote: > > > > It takes alot of courage to take chances by launching into free form improv > in front of 40,000 people,and get lost ,in the willingness to try and find > something fresh in the moment. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 16:51:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4EKoMY31564; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:50:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Daz9IsB18mdHTizGRjm/2f1yyG7x/tETqBP1dvQfebJrUAipLfMua9U5dA0f+Rr5ajQbj06cDpthk4IImu5S4GTMKIgHNE8pPX6i9tZK1SndkQMRWJTxa5SVfzQln/m0H4B3heviK1fCy7VzQ7TOLhwP3TK+zNkIKU+NSt4A2VA= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:49:28 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 220V power supply for a Boomerang? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5761c61d20df4b9b410ba81fa7156f73@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4EKnYx31455 Resent-Message-ID: <7F6f1D.A.wrH.eRmhCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used a US Line6 adator (the type that works with the old-style modeling pedals), and it works fine, but neither the Godlyke not the Visual Sound supplies configured for a Line6 box (using their tip adaptors) works with the Boomerang. It looks like it's working--the light comes on in the normal manner when you power up, and if you hit record the light goes bright and blinks at would be the beginning of the loop, but there's no audio in the loop, and there's a loud hum at all times. Going back to the original Boomerang power supply or the Line6 box works just fine. I may just have to pick up a UK Line6 adaptor. I'm in the US right now, so all the above testing is on US power. Travis On 5/14/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > Travis, > > > Anyone have any experience with a 220V power supply for the Boomerang? > > The power supply from a POD works with the Boomerang. Note, it needs an > 9V/700mA AC power supply - not DC as is more common. Luckily I had > another AC wallwart lying around that worked so I could use the POD and > 'rang at the same time! > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 14 17:37:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ELa7q04641; Sat, 14 May 2005 17:36:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:36:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: surround looping Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:36:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently reflecting the possibility of doing looping-related performance in a speaker configuration with more than two channels. While I understand that this has already been done (Andre LaFosse @ Monkey comes to mind), it seems that the vast majority work in mono or stereo (and here, again the majority is working mostly in mono). First, I'm thinking a little bit about the hardware configuration. Most devices I know are basically mono or stereo. This includes loopers, effects, signal sources and, most importantly, mixers. So here are my thoughts: i. Surround configuration: To keep it as simple as possible, 4.0 seems the way to go for me. Anything I'll say from now on with regard to channel numbers will refer to four channels. Any reasons why I should try to setup for 5.1 or worse? ii. Mixers: Of the five mixers I have, only one offers surround capabilities. For the others, a pseudo-surround mix would have to be realized either via auxes or busses. The busses would have the disadvantage that it only gives the possibility to position sound either front or middle or back on the x axis of the room. Would you see this as a limitation? Working with auxes might prove rather counter-intuitive... iii. Loopers, Effects, Processors: Well there's not a lot with surround capabilities in my setup. I already hear people screaming "laptop" - so they get a separate paragraph altogether. Apart from that, there is no real surround looper I know of (except perhaps the big Eventide devices). What looks sourround-capable is the Modular G2 I'll get in a few weeks - it's got four ins and outs and lots of flexibility. Anyone tried this one in a configuration like this? Apart from that, I am thinking of using mono loops, which I might then place in the field via the mixer, rather than try to record loops in surround. Same goes for the effects - get a stereo signal and then place this somewhere in the room. iv. Laptop: Apart from the fact that I didn't yet find a looper plugin which I like (Windows platform), and the latency is still larger than with dedicated hardware units, what would I need as a host application? I'm sure it wouldn't be Live! (because it can't to surround, can it?), and I'd like to avoid having to use Nuendo. Any suggestions? I still find the problem that I only have two audio ins on my laptop, but this could be worked on... v. master processor: I think I just leave the Finalizers and Ultracurves and L2s at home, simply to avoid shifting images... So far, just a first thought - looking forward to your input! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 04:52:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4F8oln23851; Sun, 15 May 2005 04:50:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 04:50:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 09:55:21 +0100 Subject: Re: What is Looping but repetition... Not necessarily From: jeremy To: numbernine , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198995723_483029" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198995723_483029 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > This brings to mind Rick=E2=80=99s posts awhile back about randomizing drum pat= terns, > giving a shape and structure to repetitions and marking out space in time= . >=20 > Repetition, reiteration, restatement, revisiting, releasing, relinquishin= g all > part of conjouring music into existence. >=20 > From afar a piece of music is a dot on the horizon. The closer we get the= more > detail becomes visible. Everything that exists in that music forms part o= f the > whole and has a place in the overarching structure. >=20 > There are those who think music is going on around us all the time and al= l we > need to do is invite it to become audible.... =E2=80=9Cdusting the invisible ob= ject=E2=80=9D. >=20 > Looping tools are so useful to have a dialogue with your own imagination. >=20 > Best wishes >=20 > Jeremy >=20 > http://www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > PB> I'm definitely with Jeremy: Repetition is not what defines looping= . >> >=20 >> > I see repetition as one of the most important tools for composition >> > (could be the repetition of a musical phrase but also the repetition >> > of musical parameters or just the repetition of the length between two >> > beats). To repeat or not to repeat something is what keeps the music >> > between tension and relaxation and gives the listener a feeling of >> > safety or irritation. >> > Even if looping does not mean to repeat whatever all the time and >> > there is a lot of ways to escape boring repetitions, I think that >> > looping deals with repetition. Even if you do not repeat the >> > possibility is there. So maybe the possible repetition defines >> > looping? >> > Still I like to imagine a loop visually, from car racing to hoola-hoop >> > to m=C3=B6bius loops out of paper, there is endless ways to play with a >> > loop. These pictures give me a more precise imagination of what >> > loop-music can be as I could describe it. >> >=20 >> > Matthias >> >=20 >> > PB> On May 14, 2005, at 0:59, jeremy wrote: >> >=20 >>>> >>> Recycling existing material is not necessarily repeating what was >>>> >>> played >>>> >>> originally. A few things I=C2=92ve tried..... >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>> Using feedback pedal or swell pedal to fade notes into the loop >>>> >>> Output volume down until your curiosity gets the better of you. >>>> >>> Dropping straight into reverse after record, feedback at zero >>>> >>> Play insert, scroll backwards and forwards over section (rec/play) >>>> >>> Play insert in rhythm with half-speed function (rec/play) >>>> >>> Play mute button rhythmically (start and continuous) >>>> >>> The substitute button >>>> >>> Flip mode >>>> >>> Processing the sends to loopers >>>> >>> Processing the returns from the loopers >>>> >>> Sending dry only or wet only to the loopers >>>> >>> The off switch >>>> >>> Pitch shift on Repeater >>>> >>> =C2=93Plate spinning=C2=94 i.e. Constantly maintaining/remaking a loop. >>>> >>> Taking time to play before looping a phrase =C2=96 only loop when you >>>> >>> need to >>>> >>> Play ratty little noises, play quietly, leave space, orchestrate >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>> I=C2=92m sure there=C2=92s more. What I hope to achieve by these technique= s >>>> >>> is that >>>> >>> the listener will not recognize the loop as what has just been >>>> >>> played =C2=96 it=C2=92s >>>> >>> a new thing. >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > PB> Very interesting to sum up available looping options like that! If= we >> > PB> leave EDP territory for a while and look into using different >> > PB> software there are many nice techniques that use random calculatio= ns >> > PB> to mangle the loop while the musician records (overdubs) into the >> > PB> loop. I find that extremely interesting. Yesterday I set up a loop= ing >> > PB> environment in Live 4 with randomly shifting rhythmic volume patte= rns >> > PB> of two parallel loopers. On each 4th note there is the probability= of >> > PB> 1 to 11 for the rhythmic pattern to change to a different pattern= . >> > PB> Since loopers, panned left-right, change patterns randomly, there = is >> > PB> almost never the exact poly rhythm in volume envelopes. Not in the >> > PB> stereo pulsation either. It's simply cooking. >> >=20 >> > PB> Add to that the fact that just using two, or more, loopers >> > PB> simultaneously will create different non static texture if differe= nt >> > PB> loop lengths are used. And finally, when I transpose the pitch of = the >> > PB> two loops the loop length is changing. Higher pitch gives shorter >> > PB> loop length. When pitch transposing is done to loops in recording/ >> > PB> overdub mode old layers (recorded at a different pitch) take on a = new >> > PB> rhythm. And this can be done even more non linear: if you go from = C >> > PB> to F you can set up the pedal to transpose loop one five semi tone= s >> > PB> up and loop two seven semi tones down. >> >=20 >> >=20 >=20 --B_3198995723_483029 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: What is Looping but repetition... Not necessarily
This brings to mind Rick’s posts awhile back about ran= domizing drum patterns, giving a shape and structure to repetitions and mark= ing out space in time.

Repetition, reiteration, restatement, revisiting, releasing, relinquishing = all part of conjouring music into existence.  

>From afar a piece of music is a dot on the horizon. The closer we get the m= ore detail becomes visible. Everything that exists in that music forms part = of the whole and has a place in the overarching structure.

There are those who think music is going on around us all the time and all = we need to do is invite it to become audible.... “dusting the invisibl= e object”.

Looping tools are so useful to have a dialogue with your own imagination. <= BR>
Best wishes

Jeremy

http://www.masse= .org.uk





>
>
>
> PB> I'm definitely with Jeremy: Repetition is not what defines loop= ing.
>
> I see repetition as one of the most important tools for composition > (could be the repetition of a musical phrase but also the repetition > of musical parameters or just the repetition of the length between two=
> beats). To repeat or not to repeat something is what keeps the music > between tension and relaxation and gives the listener a feeling of
> safety or irritation.
> Even if looping does not mean to repeat whatever all the time and
> there is a lot of ways to escape boring repetitions, I think that
> looping deals with repetition. Even if you do not repeat the
> possibility is there. So maybe the possible repetition defines
> looping?
> Still I like to imagine a loop visually, from car racing to hoola-hoop=
> to möbius loops out of paper, there is endless ways to play with = a
> loop. These pictures give me a more precise imagination of what
> loop-music can be as I could describe it.
>
> Matthias
>
> PB> On May 14, 2005, at 0:59, jeremy wrote:
>
>>> Recycling existing material is not necessarily repeating what = was  
>>> played
>>> originally. A few things I=C2=92ve tried.....
>>>
>>> Using feedback pedal or swell pedal to fade notes into the loo= p
>>> Output volume down until your curiosity gets the better of you= .
>>> Dropping straight into reverse after record, feedback at zero<= BR> >>> Play insert, scroll backwards and forwards over section (rec/p= lay)
>>> Play insert in rhythm with half-speed function (rec/play)
>>> Play mute button rhythmically (start and continuous)
>>> The substitute button
>>> Flip mode
>>> Processing the sends to loopers
>>> Processing the returns from the loopers
>>> Sending dry only or wet only to the loopers
>>> The off switch
>>> Pitch shift on Repeater
>>> =C2=93Plate spinning=C2=94 i.e. Constantly maintaining/remaking a loop= .
>>> Taking time to play before looping a phrase =C2=96 only loop when = you  
>>> need to
>>> Play ratty little noises, play quietly, leave space, orchestra= te
>>>
>>> I=C2=92m sure there=C2=92s more. What I hope to achieve by these techn= iques  
>>> is that
>>> the listener will not recognize the loop as what has just been=  
>>> played =C2=96 it=C2=92s
>>> a new thing.
>
>
> PB> Very interesting to sum up available looping options like that!= If we  
> PB> leave EDP territory for a while and look into using different &= nbsp;
> PB> software there are many nice techniques that use random calcula= tions  
> PB> to mangle the loop while the musician records (overdubs) into t= he  
> PB> loop. I find that extremely interesting. Yesterday I set up a l= ooping  
> PB> environment in Live 4 with randomly shifting rhythmic volume pa= tterns  
> PB> of two parallel loopers. On each 4th note there is the probabil= ity of  
> PB> 1 to 11 for the rhythmic pattern to change to  a different= pattern.  
> PB> Since loopers, panned left-right, change patterns randomly, the= re is  
> PB> almost never the exact poly rhythm in volume envelopes. Not in = the  
> PB> stereo pulsation either. It's simply cooking.
>
> PB> Add to that the fact that just using two, or more, loopers &nbs= p;
> PB> simultaneously will create different non static texture if diff= erent  
> PB> loop lengths are used. And finally, when I transpose the pitch = of the  
> PB> two loops the loop length is changing. Higher pitch gives short= er  
> PB> loop length. When pitch transposing is done to loops in recordi= ng/
> PB> overdub mode old layers (recorded at a different pitch) take on= a new  
> PB> rhythm. And this can be done even more non linear: if you go fr= om C  
> PB> to F you can set up the pedal to transpose loop one five semi t= ones  
> PB> up and loop two seven semi tones down.
>
>


--B_3198995723_483029-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 10:58:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FEuEc01149; Sun, 15 May 2005 10:56:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 10:56:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050515154248.02b44eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:53:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Chopitch Question (Luis) In-Reply-To: <200505141944.j4EJiTN21427@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505141944.j4EJiTN21427@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luis, Sorry for the late reply, your post, and the followups just didn't reach me here (I use the digest version of the list) Chopitch won't quite do that sound where the record slows down. Closest you can get is by turning the slope switch to off and use the Pitch "End" Control to drop the pitch down manually. (suggested by Matthias) I didn't try Per's suggestion, it's for mac only. There's a pc freeware available that does that sound:- http://www.kvraudio.com/get/684.html The next edition of Chopitch (free upgrade) will be able to do your sound, I have it working here already. (what platform are you on, I can send you pc version) Thanks for your interest, and for those who don't know, one of the Chopitch presets makes your beats sound like they're scratched by a dj. andy butler www.mathons.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 11:54:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FFqcG13713; Sun, 15 May 2005 11:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050515154248.02b44eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200505141944.j4EJiTN21427@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050515154248.02b44eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Chopitch Question (Luis) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:50:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <6WS78B.A.ITD.p_2hCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 15, 2005, at 16:53, a k butler wrote: > > I didn't try Per's suggestion, it's for mac only. I have a distinct memory of using PitchScraper on my XP PC before there was a Mac version (and I did not have a Mac either by that time ;-) I lost the Win version of the plug-in when my audio PC died, but maybe someone can send you the dll? Below is some info I found at the KVR forum: "4. Kuniox Plugins URL: http://www.interq.or.jp/jazz/kuniox/index.htm And another cool Japanese freeware VST developer, plugins (Simple Reverb, VibXG, GEQ, PitchScraper) might me rather simple but do their job and are for Mac and Win! " That URL to Kuniox is not working but maybe you can find out more by doing a couple of searches? One traditional and very old trick to create that wobbling turntable effect is to sample a part of the source material and play it back while using the pitch wheel. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 12:41:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FGct120809; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:37:51 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: surround looping In-reply-to: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42877ADF.6010405@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I'm currently reflecting the possibility of doing looping-related > performance in a speaker configuration with more than two channels. > ... > iv. Laptop: Apart from the fact that I didn't yet find a looper plugin I've been investigating a laptop-based system for surround looping. I don't have all the pieces put together yet, but I can relay what I've found out so far. First, understand the difference between 5.1 surround sound encoding, and just having more than 2 output channels. If the goal is to create a 5.1 surround mix to publish on a DVD, then you will need a 5.1 surround encoder. If you just want to route audio signals to 4 or more speakers during live performance, then you don't need any special "surround" support in software or hardware. You just need a computer audio interface that has at least four mono analog output channels, and software that can route signals to each of those channels. You would probably want to feed the audio interface channels into a mixer with a 4 channel output bus, then into a pair of stereo power amps. There are lots of mixer/amp possibilities, the important thing is the 4 output audio interface. If there will only be one performer, then the audio interface only needs to have one input channel, though it might be more convenient to have more depending on the choice of software. Next you need a VST host that supports multi-channel audio interfaces and multi-port plugins. Plogue Bidule, Audio Mulch, and EnergyXT are all very good. Audio Mulch is free, the others are under $100US. I'm not very familiar with Live!, but you should be able to route audio to all of the output channels provided by the interface. If you don't want to use the static loop triggering features of Live, it will be simpler to use a general VST host like Bidule. Now you need a looper plugin and a mixer plugin that can balance the looper output among the 4 audio output channels. The best mixer plugs for this purpose were designed for surround mixing, you pan the input signal in space by moving a puck around a 2 dimensional grid. A surround panner isn't required but it makes the job easier, and some support automated movement which is fun. There were some great ones here, but they seem to have been temporarily removed: http://acousmodules.free.fr/index_en.htm Most looping plugins are single channel, meaning they take a stereo input and produce a stereo output. If you just want a single looper positioned in surround, then run one instance of the looper patched into a surround panner. Boring. What is more interesting is running several instances of the looper and several instances of the panner. This gives you the ability to have several loops going, each at a different location in space. The problem with running multiple looping plugins is that they are difficult to synchronize. Since the plugins aren't aware of each other, they need to support some form of synchronization with the VST host, usually this means quantizing record start/end on a "beat" or "bar" boundary. Not all plugins support this. This also requires the use of a timer or sequencer plugin that can generate clocks to be sent to each looper plugin. A timer is integrated with Audio Mulch, I think Bidule has a timer plugin, I'm not sure about EnergyXT. What would be nice is if there were a looper plugin that supported more than one concurrent loop internally, maintained it's own synchronization, and could route each loop to four or more output ports. Wait! What about Mobius? (Oh, come on, you knew I'd be bringing that up eventually :-) With Mobius, you would run a single instance of the plugin, then route each of the 8 tracks to a different output port. Patch the Mobius output ports to 4 or more surround panners, then patch the surround panners to the 4 channels of the audio interface. A Mobius track is essentially an autonomous looper with features similar to that of the EDP. But the tracks are also aware of each other so you can initialize them to have exactly the same cycle length as another, resulting in multiple loops that are always in perfect sync. You can control each loop track from the same MIDI controller and feed them from the same audio input. If Mobius is on the list of looping plugins you don't like, I'd be happy to hear what you don't like about it. Maybe it can be fixed. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 15:08:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FJ6oN16656; Sun, 15 May 2005 15:06:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:06:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:06:04 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000401c55981$24750830$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4FJ4kx16247 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday May 18th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 featuring Anna Fritz and Alison Cameron with Stephen Parkinson Allison Cameron uses contact mics to amplify small things. She creates textured pieces with radios, samplers, tapes, Casio Sax and various toys. She has been the artistic director of Arraymusic and has been improvising in collaboration with Martin Arnold, Éric Chenaux, the Draperies, Ryan Driver, Dan Friedman, Mike Gennaro, Kurt Newman, John Oswald and many others. Her compositions have been performed by the likes of Arraymusic, Eve Egoyan, Les Couscous Bénévoles, Maarten Altena Ensemble and the Bang On A Can All-Stars. Allison will bring special guest Stephen Parkinson on electric guitar. http://composers21.com/compdocs/camerona.htm In the second set, Montreal radio artist Anna Friz presents a radio solo for all things transmissible - live and treated. Tactile transmissions of piezo mics and theremin, with an accompanying buzz of shortwave. http://www.soundscape-fm.net/userinfo.php?id=41 Between Sets CD - "Deep Wireless 2004" by David Pritchard, Scott M2 and Byron Wong We'll be featuring a live recording from the "Deep Wireless 2004" event at the PiNG with radio legend David Pritchard improvising with dreamSTATE's Scott M2 and multi-instrumentalist Byron Wong. http://www.theambientping.com/david_pritchard.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wed. May 25th - Mahogany Frog and Ben Grossman www.mahoganyfrog.ca http://www.macrophone.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek New Adventures in Sound Art continued its month-long radio art celebration with a concert at THE AMBiENT PiNG on Wed. May 11, 2005. RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 featured experimental looping cellist cheryl o with special guests Ben Grossman (short-wave radio/live sampling w/fx and Vielle a Roue aka Drehleier aka Hurdy Gurdy), Rob Piilonen (flute), Steven Sauve (synthesizer) and Jennifer Gillmor (kamel n'goni (a West African harp-like instrument that is closely related to the kora) and bass guitar). Members of the ensemble used samples from live radio during the show, adding an element of randomness to their freely improvised pieces and creating an edgy, symphonic effect. The second set was particularly magical with cheryl o’s melancholy cello lines and Jen’s kamel n'goni riffs sweeping over the melodic textures created by Stephen and Rob. Ben’s live radio samples put the radio in ambience by adding yet another layer of complexity to the ensemble’s free-form improvisations. Deep Wireless - http://www.deepwireless.ca cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca Ben Grossman - http://www.macrophone.org Jen Gillmor - http://www.svdesign.ca/Sound-Intro.html Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "All Your Dreams Are Meaningless" by coin gutter Vancouver's coingutter have developed a strong reputation as talented electronic experimentalists, and listening to their release "All Your Dreams Are Meaningless" it's easy to see why. "Lift with the Knees" opens the disc, a long form piece made of a variety of movements, ranging from abrasive noise to soothing drones, gaining a certain shape and substance over time, ultimately resulting in a feeling of poetic order. A series of eight shorter pieces follow, with styles ranging from the processed piano and vocals of "Lullaby" where movements are interspersed by blasts of radio static, to the short, sharp shock that is "no5", through the deceptive meditations of "Solitaire", and finally ending with the slight shifts and subtle nuance of "Southern Yukon/Northern B.C. (and perhaps parts of Alaska)". Coingutter have a remarkable ability to find musicality in unlikely places. They aren't afraid to travel in different directions than their peers, and they aren't afraid of taking chances with sound to create something original. "All Your Dreams Are Meaningless" is a testimony to their skills and a fine example of where music can take you when you're willing to trust your instincts. Recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 15:31:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FJTJZ19178; Sun, 15 May 2005 15:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:29:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:30:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 220V power supply for a Boomerang? X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: <5761c61d20df4b9b410ba81fa7156f73@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, As far as I can tell from their website the Godlyke power thingy only does DC which, as I said before, is useless for the Boomerang. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 16:10:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FK9P726106; Sun, 15 May 2005 16:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NIbx2qJF1S/1pitzFiA5+1yM/7aet5CTPtfNe+p6AaYMwabVsJYsQTHH0LI3E7qxRUdU8BK8iIMPhI2VYy5teAAZfPcT+g2fCf3n9AgeKj+mwcPNtWV0BkS0/2jTWFct052ttMq3T0f+RjQndipa3aS9nPRixUXBVfAvfBYUc20= ; Message-ID: <20050515200850.36325.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 13:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Chopitch Question (Luis) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, thanx i did finally acomplish my purpose with chopitch although not very easy, it would be more intuitive if i was able to use it in realtime,but ill see if i can find a link to this one. greetings Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On May 15, 2005, at 16:53, a k butler wrote: > > > > I didn't try Per's suggestion, it's for mac only. > > > I have a distinct memory of using PitchScraper on my > XP PC before > there was a Mac version (and I did not have a Mac > either by that > time ;-) I lost the Win version of the plug-in when > my audio PC > died, but maybe someone can send you the dll? Below > is some info I > found at the KVR forum: > > "4. Kuniox Plugins > URL: http://www.interq.or.jp/jazz/kuniox/index.htm > And another cool Japanese freeware VST developer, > plugins (Simple Reverb, VibXG, GEQ, PitchScraper) > might me rather simple but do their job and > are for Mac and Win! " > > That URL to Kuniox is not working but maybe you can > find out more by > doing a couple of searches? > > One traditional and very old trick to create that > wobbling turntable > effect is to sample a part of the source material > and play it back > while using the pitch wheel. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > www.luis-angulo.com Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 16:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FKIOR27541; Sun, 15 May 2005 16:18:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:18:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6n0paij3xfqdUQelnCALXXo7sxrUXRVZ7saXjErtU5++atmIl8mooNxTP6Qrq9h4yRteHyqOsFF0OkVxhFCjtkLNAnL9b0E4MxqFq0TSUfoCVaDbMxtpEnbCcQLzrvH/kjEY3g5PRdw6oBFJiQpJR05ZvQY9Cv+BIUIJgF7fQf8= ; Message-ID: <20050515201752.12751.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Chopitch Question (Luis) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Andy, Yes I am a Bill Gates user and i finally got chopitch to do what i wanted after an hour or so,(i am recording a version of "Helter Skelter" for the fun of it with a friend of mine) but if i can do it in realtime then i am a happy guy! (i can send you the MP3 so you can have a laugh at it:-) Yes,please send me the PC version when you have it! Cheers Luis --- a k butler wrote: > Hi Luis, > > Sorry for the late reply, your post, and the > followups just > didn't reach me here (I use the digest version of > the list) > > Chopitch won't quite do that sound where the record > slows down. > > Closest you can get is by turning the slope switch > to off and > use the Pitch "End" Control to drop the pitch down > manually. > (suggested by Matthias) > > I didn't try Per's suggestion, it's for mac only. > > There's a pc freeware available that does that > sound:- > > http://www.kvraudio.com/get/684.html > > The next edition of Chopitch (free upgrade) will be > able to do your sound, > I have it working here already. > (what platform are you on, I can send you pc > version) > > Thanks for your interest, > and for those who don't know, one of the Chopitch > presets > makes your beats sound like they're scratched by a > dj. > > andy butler > www.mathons.com > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 16:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FKYJb30528; Sun, 15 May 2005 16:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:34:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050515211615.02b44dc0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:31:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: OT: music biz article In-Reply-To: <200505151908.j4FJ8Wj16957@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505151908.j4FJ8Wj16957@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The concern of the primitive musician is communicating between the all >the humans present,and the spirits and ancestors,so that all are connected. alternately:- a lullaby a serenade to a member of the opposite sex to express, or help cope with sadness to frighten an enemy to remember facts to bond a social unit ...any more? >These days it's called entrainment. Such an attitude will do more for >success on the business side than most approaches. > > > It takes alot of courage to take chances by launching into free form improv > > in front of 40,000 people,and get lost ,in the willingness to try and find > > something fresh in the moment. > > In the music biz, entrainment seems to be bigger than music. If there's 40,000 people then that in itself is enough to convince the majority of the audience that the music is there. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 16:40:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FKcin31098; Sun, 15 May 2005 16:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:37:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 14, 2005, at 23:36, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I'm currently reflecting the possibility of doing looping-related > performance in a speaker configuration with more than two channels. 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ......... Thank you for bringing up this highly interesting topic! Jeff's notes were also interesting reading. This week it was made clear that I will be making two surround recordings this year and this trigged my twenty year old dream of "a multi channel live performance system" into spin-around mode. In the eighties we only had digital delays to create delay bounces between PA speakers to make sound "frog jump" around the room. Today there are so many more interesting tools available. As Jeff said, you can either simply place sound in the surround field or you can set up a system that moves sound. The first approached I tried once in the nineties when scoring a four screen art movie with four channel music. I was using Logic and created Vector Objects to place audio channels between the four speakers. Logic's Vector Objects is just like a X-Y axis graf and the perfect object to manipulate with a joystick (4 parameteres instantly available). But the things I'm about to start investigating now is not 5.1 mixing or similar but a way to construct dynamic effect processing in a surround context. Here looping is essential. I will start by using Live 4, that I have already tested for ordinary stereo looping. What I'm doing right now, in stereo, is to record/overdub into two looper plug-ins at the same time. I guess the same technique can be used to record into four instances of a looper plug-in. The challenge, however, is to make something musical with it, i.e. keeping the set- up so simple that you can still play it fluently without having to plan or compose too much. Here are some ideas: 1. Delay looping. Typically layering sound into loops while controlling feedback (and sometimes as well pitch transpose the loop). To keep it simple I like to record into all loopers simultaneously while keeping them synced but of different lengths. This sounds very big in stereo and must be massive as a quadrophonic texture. 2. Doing the above but with the added option to also record into only one loop at the time. 3. Dynamically Moving Surround Sound. I see this as a different concept than 1 and 2, but also complementary. Instead of creating many sound sources in the surround field you use only one or two sound sources but work more with techniques to move the sound between positions. The easiest example is setting up a slap echo and have each echo bounce go to a different speaker. You may think about many other applications, like for example using a midi expression pedal to rotate the sound source. Or you can use a sequencer to send placement data to a channel. 4. Creating BIG Spaces. Wouldn't it be possible with let's say four surround speakers to create an appeared room that is much bigger than the actual area within the speaker field? When creating a four channel mix I experimented with reverb returns going out into all four speakers and was thrilled by the experience. I think my choice for surround looping is to use mainly software. I have a decent eight output sound card that may also work as patch-bay to bring my Echoplex into the software. EDP sound will arrive some 12 milliseconds late, due to AD latency, but I've never had a problem with that. But I'm not planning to use my laptop because it's too weak (a 1,25 GB Apple Powerbook). If you are going to buy a Windows PC for this you are much better off (in CPU horse power) but I think I would go for a Shuttle instead of a laptop. A shuttle gives you more power and is cheaper to repair. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 16:49:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FKmNm32003; Sun, 15 May 2005 16:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yXe7PlMhr5Ej5s9tw8Lrsa68RZNWY0VhGpT2HPGdRtlbUcvc7P/etqL88eR0YAKNUXve6M5muP0+ijfEYEWvIE7toFW2dtZYIIujf77cryDEuA/Xwr2htiMbpOLV3z/siuRgQX9gTW3af9MNCCEqDtkDvvGCEeneyNcWdJVXPos= ; Message-ID: <20050515204702.20910.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 13:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Open Slot for New LD CD vol.3! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, Due to financial problems recently i wont be able to contribute to this new awesome project so contact Sunao a.s.a.p and take my slot,ive already let him know ,deadline i believe is May 31. best of luck! cheers Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 17:15:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FLDV403556; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 5cf085ac59a58aed851e4b9396c6f2e4 Received-SPF: none (talara.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.136 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.136; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <051420050440.29775.428581270009410B0000744F22070009530196010D9F010104@com cast.net> References: <051420050440.29775.428581270009410B0000744F22070009530196010D9F010104@com cast.net> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:49:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on the recent thread of community, I wanted to say that of the 5 >loopers I've met in person via the LD list over the years, none of >them are still list members. Just an observation from my time here >on the list, techno-primitive that I am..... > > > >bryan helm >                                                             yes bryan, the community is much bigger than the list some of the best loopers I know have never been subscribed for example because they dont know enough english or dont like computers... I think many left because they were tired of the tech talk :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 17:15:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FLDW903562; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 890ac637928ce27b87d0332de5c6893e Received-SPF: none (talara.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.136 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.136; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:12:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: What is Looping but repetition... Not necessarily Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com salut, stéphane! Apparently there is a balance in live between things that repeat and things that dont. observing better: All things repeat, but each repetition is slightly different. Many things repeat so slowly that we only meet them once in our livetime. its all about similarity. music is held together by the similarity of what you do right now with what - your brother does - you just did - you did a while ago - any musician ever did so how similar do two things have to be so we still perceive them as the same thing? there are some acepted standards but we dont like them because we are individuals and each one preceives things a bit different... we are only similar :-) what makes the loopers different is not necessarily that they repeat more but that they study the subject more profoundly. And the tools help to understand why repetition can be nice and necessary or how far you can go with it. so you decide whether you repeat or not but the other decide whether they want to listen to you or call you a looper or invite you for a loop party :-) Welcome here and send us a link to some sound files eventually, so we can vote on whether you repeat or not :-) Matthias >Recycling existing material is not necessarily repeating what was played >originally. A few things I¹ve tried..... nice list Jeremy! but any function will change what you originaly did so yes, we like variations, some more, some less. Mute and Reverse are to hard changes for me, but FB allowes me to evolve. >Using feedback pedal or swell pedal to fade notes into the loop >Output volume down until your curiosity gets the better of you. >Dropping straight into reverse after record, feedback at zero >Play insert, scroll backwards and forwards over section (rec/play) >Play insert in rhythm with half-speed function (rec/play) >Play mute button rhythmically (start and continuous) >The substitute button >Flip mode >Processing the sends to loopers >Processing the returns from the loopers >Sending dry only or wet only to the loopers >The off switch >Pitch shift on Repeater >³Plate spinning² i.e. Constantly maintaining/remaking a loop. >Taking time to play before looping a phrase ­ only loop when you need to >Play ratty little noises, play quietly, leave space, orchestrate > >I¹m sure there¹s more. What I hope to achieve by these techniques is that >the listener will not recognize the loop as what has just been played ­ it¹s >a new thing. > >Best wishes > >Jeremy > >jeremy >http://www.masse.org.uk > > > >> >> >> Oh yeah, to loop is to repeat-- >> Depending on how much presence of mind you have left, variations can be >> achieved--but it always involves recycling existing material. >> What's your opinion? >> Gary >> >> >> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 18:54:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4FMqQL19028; Sun, 15 May 2005 18:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c559a0$9cf1aa10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: record slowing down sound Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:51:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used this effect on a remix of the Cocteau Twin's Blue Bell Knoll to good effect, Luis. I used an old version of Cool Edit Pro v. 2.0 (now bought out by Adobe and called Audition, I believe) In the Effects menu there are several really cool and idiosyncrative algorithms that Cool Edit uses. I keep my old copy of it installed just for the under Special there is Convolution Music (where you can type in musical values on a staff of music and it will retune your .wav file in the melody and rhythm that you have determined) under the Time/Pitch there is Stretch which allows you to do this record starting or stopping effect. Buy the new improved version from Adobe. It's worth it and list member Mark Hamburg will be appreciative. The Convolution program alone is worth it's weight in gold because it allows you to create your own Impulse files for convolving sounds through it..............one of the great secrets for creating harmonically consonant but nonetheless idiosyncratic ambient pads for tunes................convolve your vocals through your synth lines and Voila!!!! You have a very, hip new sound. Chop it up in Tu2 and Voila! you have a very hip rhythmic bubble for a dance tune. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 20:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4G0BF501183; Sun, 15 May 2005 20:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 20:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.546225 secs Process 68647) Message-ID: <52483.213.100.44.49.1116202244.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 02:10:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: "point of view point" What is Looping but repetition... Not necessarily From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, my question about repetition was a bit vague and general but i needed to know if i was not fantasizing. i connect with most thoughts, beautiful thoughts posted lately. true that looping tools are useful to have a dialogue with your own imagination. it's also for me a way to have a chat with accidents, stay available for what i didn't plan but comes straight from what i am doing. maybe an equivalent to what's conscious and what's not. so looping 'live' is (so far) for me a way to accept what's coming even if it was not exactly what was expected. like trying to be aware enough to be able to respond or forget. the answer being repetitive or some 'sliced-up potential repetitions' doesn't really matter i think... this process is refreshing for me compared to my recordings where i mostly get rif of things, sort, and slowly organize some chaos i like. i understand it's very subjective to determine what's repetitive and what's not. some tiny variations in a piece apparently repetitive can be moving in all senses if you are in the right state of mind or just open & attentive enough. but also if you like it and accept to connect. it's unfortunately a matter of judgement too. funkyness often comes from frustration: one element is missing or is not exactly where it should, a bit ahead or a beat late on a so called repetitive scale, rhythm, and still this is about playing with repetition, toying something one has memorized, present but like in negative. memorized or cultural. balance, contrast, tension, harmony (...) between what repeats and what doesn't. some loop can last forever, without even evolving, they will still sound comforting, each time different, full of fresh variations or at least possibilities of variations. it's what you project in what you hear. i find myself talking about obvious stuff but that i had somehow forgotten. that's nice. i just hope my english is not too confusing. i'm exited by having that choice to repeat - or not! please don't vote :) but welcome to listen @ http://www.clumsybeats.org/idosound.html - the latest cd is Rob Steady "ask no lies", the previous is Obadia "where does dust come from".. "ask no lies" might have a heavy lack of repetition, but if you can give some attention to the whole record, you will find themes & elements coming back from a track to another - like puzzled. and so you know, live-set should be very different from the records. thanx again for all the inspiring answers to my dumb question. i'm listening to some music i love with another point of view. stéphane > salut, stéphane! > Apparently there is a balance in live between things that repeat and > things that dont. > observing better: > All things repeat, but each repetition is slightly different. > Many things repeat so slowly that we only meet them once in our livetime. > > its all about similarity. > music is held together by the similarity of > what you do right now with what > - your brother does > - you just did > - you did a while ago > - any musician ever did > > so how similar do two things have to be so we still perceive them as > the same thing? > there are some acepted standards but we dont like them because we are > individuals and each one preceives things a bit different... we are > only similar :-) > > what makes the loopers different is not necessarily that they repeat > more but that they study the subject more profoundly. And the tools > help to understand why repetition can be nice and necessary or how > far you can go with it. > > so you decide whether you repeat or not > but the other decide whether they want to listen to you or call you a > looper or invite you for a loop party :-) > > Welcome here and send us a link to some sound files eventually, so we > can vote on whether you repeat or not :-) > > Matthias > > >>Recycling existing material is not necessarily repeating what was played >>originally. A few things I¹ve tried..... > > nice list Jeremy! > but any function will change what you originaly did > so yes, we like variations, some more, some less. > Mute and Reverse are to hard changes for me, but FB allowes me to evolve. > > >>Using feedback pedal or swell pedal to fade notes into the loop >>Output volume down until your curiosity gets the better of you. >>Dropping straight into reverse after record, feedback at zero >>Play insert, scroll backwards and forwards over section (rec/play) >>Play insert in rhythm with half-speed function (rec/play) >>Play mute button rhythmically (start and continuous) >>The substitute button >>Flip mode >>Processing the sends to loopers >>Processing the returns from the loopers >>Sending dry only or wet only to the loopers >>The off switch >>Pitch shift on Repeater >>³Plate spinning² i.e. Constantly maintaining/remaking a loop. >>Taking time to play before looping a phrase ­ only loop when you need to >>Play ratty little noises, play quietly, leave space, orchestrate >> >>I¹m sure there¹s more. What I hope to achieve by these techniques is that >>the listener will not recognize the loop as what has just been played ­ >> it¹s >>a new thing. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Jeremy >> >>jeremy >>http://www.masse.org.uk >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> Oh yeah, to loop is to repeat-- >>> Depending on how much presence of mind you have left, variations can >>> be >>> achieved--but it always involves recycling existing material. >>> What's your opinion? >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 15 21:24:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4G1NGO19324; Sun, 15 May 2005 21:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [128.114.163.227] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050515211615.02b44dc0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:22:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2005 01:22:25.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7DACE50:01C559B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

ENtrainment,not entertainment.Entrainment is a physical phenom,unrelated to the beleifs of the listeners.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 06:54:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GAr6R24528; Mon, 16 May 2005 06:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 06:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 06:59:36 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: surround looping To: Message-id: <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <2iB1jD.A.E-F.EtHiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the possibilities of true 5.1 surround looping are awesome. Here are a few of my thoughts: 1) It's the .1 part that my instinct tells me will be the thorny issue to resolve, especially live. What to do with the .1?? How can we separate out the lowest frequencies from so much musical information without creating musical mush? 2) 6.0 or 4.0 might be easier live. 1 2 3 4 5 6 3) Of course sounds placed in the "middle-set" (3-4) in a 6.0 set-up would be like sounds in "mono" equally spread in only a 4.0 set-up, so one could argue "why bother?" Well, I think the answer would be in the panning possibilities -- e.g., from 3 to 6 or 1 to 4. 4) I suspect six synched mono loopers would be more flexible than 3 stereo loopers. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 07:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GB44S26985; Mon, 16 May 2005 07:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:04:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <63653C58-8496-4A15-856C-6589717CD85C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:03:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi List, Today I found out that you get a looping AU plug-in when upgrading a Mac to 10.4. You have to install the Developers kit to get at it. This looper's feature set makes seems a bit inspired by the Repeater. I still have to give it the real-world hands-on test. For you that might be interested but not yet have upgraded to Tiger I'm pasting in the ReadMe file for AULooper. I've been reading and drooling here for the last five minutes. Indeed very nice! The AU-Lab is a AU host application that also comes free with Tiger (Developer pack, is on the CD) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen Introduction The AULooper Audio Unit is an audio looper for live performance and was developed for use by musicians and DJs. It's able to take live audio input (mono or stereo) and record audio loops for immediate and seamless playback in an interactive fashion. So, for example, a drummer could play a beat for several bars, mark the recording start and end points with a MIDI foot controller, then immediately hear the looped section of audio seamlessly in time with their playing. The drummer, could then play a different rhythm on top of the loop and continue recording more layers of loops, either by overdubbing on top of the original loop, or recording into a separately controllable loop. Currently, AULooper supports up to four stereo loops. At any given time, one of the four loops will be selected. Any of the four loops may be selected at any time by clicking on the loop itself. Recording To record a loop, simply click on the "Record" button to mark the loop start time. Whatever audio is currently being played and input will be recorded starting at this exact time. When the "Record" button is clicked a second time, the loop end time will be marked, recording will stop, and the newly recorded loop will begin playback. Clearly, it's very important to time the start and end record operations in perfect time with the rhythm you're trying to capture. Once an initial loop has been recorded, the "Retro Record" command may be used to capture audio which has just been played. Instead of requiring the musician to click on the "Record" button twice, once to indicate the start time, and once to indicate the end time. The "Retro Record" button simply indicates the end time of the loop, and the start time will be automatically assumed to be one loop time in the past. The "Retro Record" command is very handy for a musician when he is playing along with an already recorded loop and realizes he has just played something interesting. Clicking on "Retro Record" will take what he has just played and record that as a loop synchronized with the first. Global Controls * Play (retriggers playback at the start of all loops) (may be used for "stutter" effects if used repeatedly in a rhythmic fashion) * Stop (stops all playback, playback will re-start with "Play") * Global Reverse (toggles back and forth between forward and backwards playback for the global audio mix) * Undo (undo/redo for the last edit or record operation) (undoable operations are: record, copy, paste, clear, divide, and multiply) * Clear All (erases all the loops and prepares for a fresh loop recording) * Set Start (at the moment this command is received, re-defines the starting point for all loops) (The "Play" command will then retrigger playback from this new point in the loop) * Slip Start Time Ahead "<" (Similar to "Set Start", but incrementally nudges start time ahead for all loops) * Slip Start Time Behind ">" (Similar to "Set Start", but incrementally nudges start time behind for all loops) * Resync (Sometimes when playing with the "Reverse" commands it's possible for the playback lines in the loops to get out of synchronization. "Resync" will selectively change the loop's start times to match the current mix. Subsequent "Play" commands will then retrigger playback at this rhythmic relationship) * Mixdown (records the current mix, excluding the live input, into the currently selected loop) * Pitch (global pitch control, additive with the individual loop pitch controls) * Input Blend (allows adjustment of the live input versus the looped playback mix) (all the way left is input only; all the way to the right is only the loop playback) * Master Volume Loop Controls * volume, including mute, solo, and cue * pitch * playback direction (forward / reverse) * loop start point - Set Start (at the moment this command is received, re-defines the starting point of the selected loop) (The "Play" command will then retrigger playback from this new point in the loop) - Slip Start Time Ahead "<" (Similar to "Set Start", but incrementally nudges start time ahead in the loop) - Slip Start Time Behind ">" (Similar to "Set Start", but incrementally nudges start time behind in the loop) - "Scan Slip" slider (allows the loop start point to be continuously adjusted; this can be interesting if moved rhythmically with the timing of the loop) * loop beat length (determines tempo along with loop length in seconds - default is 4 beats - one measure of 4/4 ) There are also commands for editing the currently selected loop: * Divide (divides the length of the loop by two, discarding the second half) * Multiply (double the loop length, appending of copy of the original loop) This allows longer overdubs on top of the originally shorter loop. * Copy / Paste / Clear commands for operating on the selected loop * Record / Retro-Record will record into the selected loop Clock Settings * Sync (Internal or Host Sync) (normal default operation is "Internal" which allows the musician to control the playback transport; "Host Sync" will syncronize loop playback with the host's timeline) * Tempo (once a loop has been recorded it's playback speed may be adjusted with the "tempo" slider; the initial tempo is determined by the recorded loop's length and the "beat length" of the loop which is assumed initially to be four beats, but may be changed by the user in the edit text field) * Tap (an alternate way to adjust the tempo by "tap-tempo", clicking on the button repeatedly at the desired tempo; this button may be hot-mapped to MIDI) MIDI assignment Any of the commands, such as "Record" and "Retro Record" may be hot- assigned to a MIDI message, such as note-on, or program change. To do this, simply Cmd-click on the button corresponding to the command you wish to assign, then press the MIDI key, or foot controller. Continuous controllers may also be assigned to the sliders such as pitch and volume by Cmd-clicking the slider, then moving the continuous controller. Double-clicking some sliders will return it to its default setting. If AULooper is hosted inside of AU Lab, then the MIDI mappings will be saved when the document is saved. Also, the MIDI mappings may be examined and edited within AU Lab by choosing "MIDI Effect Editor" in the upper right menu of the AULooper UI window. Output Busses There are six output busses which may be configured depending on the host application. The first output is the "main mix" which is the only output which will typically be connected by default in a host. It provides the fully mixed output of all four loops, plus the audio input (according to the input blend control). The second output is "cue". It can be used to audition any combination of loops where "cue" is enabled. The last four outputs are individual loop outputs. Some hosts (such as AU Lab) can be configured to receive all four loop outputs separately, allowing individual control of inline effects and sends on a per-loop basis. The "AU Lab" document "Looper.trak" can be used to explore the looper with all of its output busses connected in the mixer. It's also possible to create a simpler document in "AU Lab" with just the "main mix" output bus connected if you simply add the "AULooper" as an AudioUnit with live input. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 07:33:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GBWDr30688; Mon, 16 May 2005 07:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:30:55 +0200 (MEST) From: "Thorsten Wilms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Live Looping Sequencer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #10078048 Message-ID: <21024.1116243055@www34.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! New to this list, I'm Thorsten Wilms and currently working on my industrial design diploma. My topic is a hardware sequencer for live use and improvisation. I defined sequencer like this: - A sequencer is a device for recording and playback of signals with the possibility to arrange several recordings. Optionaly recordings can be edited. - Recording can happen in realtime, step-wise or alternatively through programming. - The Signal can be audio or control data (like MIDI). - To arrange refers to repeating, putting into sequence and layering of recordings. The live and improvisation aspects led me to looping gear, so my sequencer will be more of a live looper, just most likely with emphasizing putting things into sequence and with audio and midi capabilities. I would appreciate any and all input, but I'm especialy interested in: - the equipment used with loopers, routing setups - common problems (especialy on stage) - things no device does quite right / missing features - what is realy important for looping gear BTW, I have to use another webmail provider, because mails sent over my prefered one (smtp: mx.freenet.de) to subscribe to this list had no effect at all. Same for mail to the listmanager. Now i have to use a web interface instead of Mutt ... help to resolve this issue would be welcome. Looking forward, Thorsten Wilms -- Weitersagen: GMX DSL-Flatrates mit Tempo-Garantie! Ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 08:09:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GC7es04753; Mon, 16 May 2005 08:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Live Looping Sequencer Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:05:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <21024.1116243055@www34.gmx.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would suggest also looking at manuals of existing loopers: http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.pdf http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf ... http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html and looking at software loopers around: http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html Web interface nuisance: GMX allows to connect to their mail accounts also via SMTP / POP. Check their website how to configure your mailclient. Cheers, Bernhard http://nosuch.biz > -----Original Message----- > From: Thorsten Wilms [mailto:thorwil@gmx.de] > Sent: Montag, 16. Mai 2005 13:31 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live Looping Sequencer > > > Hi! > > New to this list, I'm Thorsten Wilms and currently working on my > industrial > design diploma. My topic is a hardware sequencer for live use and > improvisation. > > I defined sequencer like this: > - A sequencer is a device for recording and playback of signals with the > possibility to arrange several recordings. > Optionaly recordings can be edited. > - Recording can happen in realtime, step-wise or alternatively through > programming. > - The Signal can be audio or control data (like MIDI). > - To arrange refers to repeating, putting into sequence and layering of > recordings. > > The live and improvisation aspects led me to looping gear, so my sequencer > will be more of a live looper, just most likely with emphasizing putting > things into sequence and with audio and midi capabilities. > > I would appreciate any and all input, but I'm especialy interested in: > - the equipment used with loopers, routing setups > - common problems (especialy on stage) > - things no device does quite right / missing features > - what is realy important for looping gear > > > BTW, I have to use another webmail provider, because mails sent over my > prefered one (smtp: mx.freenet.de) to subscribe to this list had no effect > at all. Same for mail to the listmanager. Now i have to use a web > interface > instead of Mutt ... help to resolve this issue would be welcome. > > > Looking forward, > Thorsten Wilms > > -- > Weitersagen: GMX DSL-Flatrates mit Tempo-Garantie! > Ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 09:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GDEvA16498; Mon, 16 May 2005 09:14:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:14:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:07:35 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: music biz article To: Monica , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008401c55a19$30b9eaa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_olb2a2p0/Ba9BHsuxjx62Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050514045131.19972.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_olb2a2p0/Ba9BHsuxjx62Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks so much for reviving the Hunter S. Thompson quote. I've added it to my e-mail signature. Look! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a dark, plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: Re: OT: music biz article "The music business is a dark, plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." ---Hunter S. Thompson loopbozo@comcast.net wrote: "The concern of the musician is music. The concern of the professional musician is business" R.Fripp I believe this statement defines as a rule the difference between most players I've met so far this lifetime as well as the general roster of this list. Speaking of which, on the recent thread of community, I wanted to say that of the 5 loopers I've met in person via the LD list over the years, none of them are still list members. Just an observation from my time here on the list, techno-primitive that I am..... bryan helm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_olb2a2p0/Ba9BHsuxjx62Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Thanks so  much for reviving the Hunter S. Thompson quote. I've added it to my e-mail signature. Look!
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"The music business is a dark, plastic hallway
where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs.
There's also a negative side."
 

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: OT: music biz article

"The music business is a dark, plastic hallway
where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs.
There's also a negative side."
                                                                    ---Hunter S. Thompson

loopbozo@comcast.net wrote:
"The concern of the musician is music.
The concern of the professional musician is business"
                                                     R.Fripp
 
I believe this statement defines as a rule the difference between most players I've met so far this lifetime as well as the general roster of this list. Speaking of which, on the recent thread of community, I wanted to say that of the 5 loopers I've met in person via the LD list over the years, none of them are still list members. Just an observation from my time here on the list, techno-primitive that I am.....
 
 
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--Boundary_(ID_olb2a2p0/Ba9BHsuxjx62Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 10:53:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GEoBs32733; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:50:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Complete Hunter S. Thompson quote--you left out the trench Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:48:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <008401c55a19$30b9eaa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVaGadzrk9hFIq/R8i1g1A4DCDMzgADFrtw Message-Id: <20050516144828.SVAD8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 11:28:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GFQ6Q06038; Mon, 16 May 2005 11:26:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:26:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ml23476@ludde.swip.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:24:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: synthesis@swipnet.se Subject: yet another echoplex Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1095865445==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1095865445==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hello there list! after a couple years with a fully loaded whiteface echoplex i realized i have to take the dive into stereo but trying to get hold of an echoplex is not that easy. gibson "acts" as if i didn't exist - their reps here in sweden claim there is no such product, the echoplex "site" on the gibson uk site (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html) has out of date contact info (telephone numbers go nowhere at all, and their email address bounces). anybody here have an echoplex they want to let go of, or know where I can find a used or new one? synthesis@swipnet.se still in Stockholm --============_-1095865445==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" yet another echoplex
hello there list!

after a couple years with a fully loaded whiteface echoplex i realized i have to take the dive into stereo but trying to get hold of an echoplex is not that easy. gibson "acts" as if i didn't exist - their reps here in sweden claim there is no such product, the echoplex "site" on the gibson uk site (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html) has out of date contact info (telephone numbers go nowhere at all, and their email address bounces). anybody here have an echoplex they want to let go of, or know where I can find a used or new one?

synthesis@swipnet.se
still in Stockholm
--============_-1095865445==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 11:44:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GFgnh09257; Mon, 16 May 2005 11:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7EE97162-9403-4055-95C4-C1AFB8EA96C0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: yet another echoplex Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:40:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 16, 2005, at 17:24, synthesis@swipnet.se wrote: > hello there list! > > after a couple years with a fully loaded whiteface echoplex i > realized i have to take the dive into stereo but trying to get hold > of an echoplex is not that easy. gibson "acts" as if i didn't exist > - their reps here in sweden claim there is no such product, the > echoplex "site" on the gibson uk site (http://www.gibson.com/ > products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html) has out of date contact > info (telephone numbers go nowhere at all, and their email address > bounces). anybody here have an echoplex they want to let go of, or > know where I can find a used or new one? > > synthesis@swipnet.se > still in Stockholm I remember a post from Steve Lawson, UK, where he said he had four and could sell some of them. But that was rather long ago. I'm too in Stockholm and I had to order my EDP from Gibson/Trace Elliot London even though Luthman Scandinavia was supposed to import them into Sweden. Luthman later dropped the product and I guess you have to order from abroad or find someone willing to sell a used one. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 11:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GFvdZ11605; Mon, 16 May 2005 11:57:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:57:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008401c55a19$30b9eaa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <20050514045131.19972.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008401c55a19$30b9eaa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:55:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Monica From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: OT: music biz article Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:07 AM -0400 5/16/05, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >Thanks so much for reviving the Hunter S. Thompson quote. I've >added it to my e-mail signature. Look! > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > >"The music business is a dark, plastic hallway >where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. >There's also a negative side." > > > Not that I want to dwell on it, but I believe the quote is more accurately: The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. From my point of view, having cruel and money in there is pretty to the point. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 14:05:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GI2Pp06050; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <153e5b22cf9a6fb5f3d43c49583082eb@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: JamMan Wanted Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:00:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <09pRD.A.wWB.n-NiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello - I'm looking for a 32 sec Lexicon JamMan. Must be fully operational. Cosmetic aren't that important. Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 14:32:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GIUGb11017; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:30:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <003501c55a44$ca3d0600$e79efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: yet another echoplex Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:26:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C55A55.89D84820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C55A55.89D84820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yet another echoplexhej, have you tried evilBay. Echoplexes seem to pop up on a regular basis = (one in Germany showed up three or four times). Even if it has an older = OS, I=B4m sure someone on this list can supply you with an upgrade to = Loop 3 (or maybe yunning to upgrade to Loop IV anyway?). Just make sure = it=B4s a reputable seller, and you should have no problems (picked up a = pristine EFC-7 just recently, at less than 30 Euros). Stephen _________________________________________________________________________= _ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: synthesis@swipnet.se=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: yet another echoplex hello there list! after a couple years with a fully loaded whiteface echoplex i realized = i have to take the dive into stereo but trying to get hold of an = echoplex is not that easy. gibson "acts" as if i didn't exist - their = reps here in sweden claim there is no such product, the echoplex "site" = on the gibson uk site = (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html) has = out of date contact info (telephone numbers go nowhere at all, and their = email address bounces). anybody here have an echoplex they want to let = go of, or know where I can find a used or new one? synthesis@swipnet.se still in Stockholm ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C55A55.89D84820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yet another echoplex
hej,
 
have you tried evilBay. Echoplexes seem = to pop up=20 on a regular basis (one in Germany showed up three or four times). Even = if it=20 has an older OS, I=B4m sure someone on this list can supply you with an = upgrade to=20 Loop 3 (or maybe yunning to upgrade to Loop IV anyway?). Just make sure = it=B4s a=20 reputable seller, and you should have no problems (picked up a=20 pristine EFC-7 just recently, at less than 30 Euros).
 
Stephen
 

________________________________________________________________= __________
 
"Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club")
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 synthesis@swipnet.se
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:24 = PM
Subject: yet another = echoplex

hello there list!

after a couple years with a fully loaded whiteface echoplex i = realized i=20 have to take the dive into stereo but trying to get hold of an = echoplex is not=20 that easy. gibson "acts" as if i didn't exist - their reps here in = sweden=20 claim there is no such product, the echoplex "site" on the gibson uk = site=20 (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html)=20 has out of date contact info (telephone numbers go nowhere at all, and = their=20 email address bounces). anybody here have an echoplex they want to let = go of,=20 or know where I can find a used or new one?

synthesis@swipnet.se
still in Stockholm
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C55A55.89D84820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 14:37:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GIY0011552; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:34:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:34:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <005301c55a45$3bfff2c0$e79efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <003501c55a44$ca3d0600$e79efe91@synthhost> Subject: Re: yet another echoplex Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:29:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C55A55.FC863120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C55A55.FC863120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yet another echoplexthis should, of course, read "maybe you=B4re = planning to upgrade to Loop IV anyway"... Silly OE. Stephen _________________________________________________________________________= _ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wavecomputer360=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: Re: yet another echoplex hej, have you tried evilBay. Echoplexes seem to pop up on a regular basis = (one in Germany showed up three or four times). Even if it has an older = OS, I=B4m sure someone on this list can supply you with an upgrade to = Loop 3 (or maybe yunning to upgrade to Loop IV anyway?). Just make sure = it=B4s a reputable seller, and you should have no problems (picked up a = pristine EFC-7 just recently, at less than 30 Euros). Stephen = _________________________________________________________________________= _ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: synthesis@swipnet.se=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: yet another echoplex hello there list! after a couple years with a fully loaded whiteface echoplex i = realized i have to take the dive into stereo but trying to get hold of = an echoplex is not that easy. gibson "acts" as if i didn't exist - their = reps here in sweden claim there is no such product, the echoplex "site" = on the gibson uk site = (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html) has = out of date contact info (telephone numbers go nowhere at all, and their = email address bounces). anybody here have an echoplex they want to let = go of, or know where I can find a used or new one? synthesis@swipnet.se still in Stockholm ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C55A55.FC863120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yet another echoplex
this should, of course, read "maybe = you=B4re planning=20 to upgrade to Loop IV anyway"...
 
Silly OE.
 
Stephen
 
 

________________________________________________________________= __________
 
"Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club")
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wavecomputer360
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:26 = PM
Subject: Re: yet another = echoplex

hej,
 
have you tried evilBay. Echoplexes = seem to pop up=20 on a regular basis (one in Germany showed up three or four times). = Even if it=20 has an older OS, I=B4m sure someone on this list can supply you with = an upgrade=20 to Loop 3 (or maybe yunning to upgrade to Loop IV anyway?). Just make = sure=20 it=B4s a reputable seller, and you should have no problems (picked up = a=20 pristine EFC-7 just recently, at less than 30 = Euros).
 
Stephen
 
=

________________________________________________________________= __________
 
"Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight = Club")
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 synthesis@swipnet.se
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 = 5:24=20 PM
Subject: yet another = echoplex

hello there list!

after a couple years with a fully loaded whiteface echoplex i = realized=20 i have to take the dive into stereo but trying to get hold of an = echoplex is=20 not that easy. gibson "acts" as if i didn't exist - their reps here = in=20 sweden claim there is no such product, the echoplex "site" on the = gibson uk=20 site (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html)=20 has out of date contact info (telephone numbers go nowhere at all, = and their=20 email address bounces). anybody here have an echoplex they want to = let go=20 of, or know where I can find a used or new one?

synthesis@swipnet.se
still in = Stockholm
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C55A55.FC863120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 14:59:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GItEu13808; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ctl1IC7jLHVa5JfqDKLPYdwSBEi75K5KhdFr8LRraX1tZZYdYRdz+HZxP6D/sXSmxFRA/udQuCDF30TebcQ3e1prJnqVDe9JFQ8lQxEGXlB9wQfkTuk+tzqMekHa0Bxol5n41uKywdUIISf2EZ7AUSwUPxi+Nvcd+aOyuEOfuiI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:52:38 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP outside the US? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4GIqmx13485 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to recall that the EDP was finally cleared for sale in the UK a while back. Has (in all seriousness) anyone on the list ever bought one from a dealer in the UK, or have they all been grey market units from the US? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 15:16:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GJCxL18152; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1116270715!21456086!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A036@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live Looping Sequencer Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:08:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55A4A.AA33D310" Resent-Message-ID: <59b41.A.sZE.-BPiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55A4A.AA33D310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" this is as near as I've seen/used to a "midi-looper"; I have two of these now, & would not be parted from them: http://www.sequentix.com/ in one of it's three "live-record" modes, it can loop-record a monophonic keyboard line.... not very exciting, you might think, but you can create all manner of dependencies within the thing so that the "live" part affects stuff on the other tracks. you can create chord sequences by using offset note events; these might not even be in the same track that you're recording into.... the whole thing is designed to be "programmed" ("interfered with" more like...) while it's running, & gives you the option to save any changes you make or abandon them & return to what was previously stored. &, importantly, it has force-to-scale. this is global, & there are a number of preset & user-programmable scales, but can be defeated on a pattern-by-pattern basis (or note-by-note, in fact) for drums &c. all note events can have various attributes randomised &/or influenced by what's happening on other tracks or the midi input, & there are accumulators & masks that alter things depending how long the thing's been running. I've had my first one of these for six months or so, & still feel like I'm several hundred yards away from the iceberg, never mind any notion of how much of it is undiscovered. one of the "superusers", paul nagle (an accomplished electronic musician & writer) has written an alternative users' guide which sits nicely with the proper manual & the updates history in the files section of the beast's own yahoo group. the designer is on the list, & responds generously to any enhancements suggested by list members, besides having many of his own to offer. so the software updates are frequent & genuinely useful. there are also mp3's & even bits of video demonstrating the device. I can't possibly do it justice here. one trick I do a lot is to have a track in arpeggio-record mode but muted, & running in random. other tracks will poach some of their notes (again, randomly) from this track, while the keyboard that's recording into it also goes sailing straight through the sequencer to play chords from a module. so I'm playing chords, & the sequencer is playing a mixture of preset notes & notes that are related, but only just, to the chords I'm playing. sort of a semi-random auto-accomp. addictive. now, if I could work out how to map note events onto PC's, I could get it to drive my repeaters too..... fwiw, my band also has two jam-mans, two repeaters, two line-6 dl4's, a notron sequencer, two doepfer maq 16/3 sequencers & a doepfer schaltwerk. this last has been relegated to lightshow-duty. :-) duncan/r.m.i. -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: 16 May 2005 13:06 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live Looping Sequencer I would suggest also looking at manuals of existing loopers: http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.pdf http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf ... http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html and looking at software loopers around: http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html Web interface nuisance: GMX allows to connect to their mail accounts also via SMTP / POP. Check their website how to configure your mailclient. Cheers, Bernhard http://nosuch.biz > -----Original Message----- > From: Thorsten Wilms [mailto:thorwil@gmx.de] > Sent: Montag, 16. Mai 2005 13:31 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live Looping Sequencer > > > Hi! > > New to this list, I'm Thorsten Wilms and currently working on my > industrial > design diploma. My topic is a hardware sequencer for live use and > improvisation. > > I defined sequencer like this: > - A sequencer is a device for recording and playback of signals with the > possibility to arrange several recordings. > Optionaly recordings can be edited. > - Recording can happen in realtime, step-wise or alternatively through > programming. > - The Signal can be audio or control data (like MIDI). > - To arrange refers to repeating, putting into sequence and layering of > recordings. > > The live and improvisation aspects led me to looping gear, so my sequencer > will be more of a live looper, just most likely with emphasizing putting > things into sequence and with audio and midi capabilities. > > I would appreciate any and all input, but I'm especialy interested in: > - the equipment used with loopers, routing setups > - common problems (especialy on stage) > - things no device does quite right / missing features > - what is realy important for looping gear > > > BTW, I have to use another webmail provider, because mails sent over my > prefered one (smtp: mx.freenet.de) to subscribe to this list had no effect > at all. Same for mail to the listmanager. Now i have to use a web > interface > instead of Mutt ... help to resolve this issue would be welcome. > > > Looking forward, > Thorsten Wilms > > -- > Weitersagen: GMX DSL-Flatrates mit Tempo-Garantie! > Ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55A4A.AA33D310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Live Looping Sequencer

this is as near as I've seen/used to a "midi-looper&= quot;; I have two of these now, & would not be parted from them:
= http://www.sequentix.com/

in one of it's three "live-record" modes, it ca= n loop-record a monophonic keyboard line.... not very exciting, you might t= hink, but you can create all manner of dependencies within the thing so tha= t the "live" part affects stuff on the other tracks.

you can create chord sequences by using offset note event= s; these might not even be in the same track that you're recording into....=

the whole thing is designed to be "programmed" = ("interfered with" more like...) while it's running, & gives = you the option to save any changes you make or abandon them & return to= what was previously stored.

&, importantly, it has force-to-scale. this is global= , & there are a number of preset & user-programmable scales, but ca= n be defeated on a pattern-by-pattern basis (or note-by-note, in fact) for = drums &c.

all note events can have various attributes randomised &a= mp;/or influenced by what's happening on other tracks or the midi input, &a= mp; there are accumulators & masks that alter things depending how long= the thing's been running.

I've had my first one of these for six months or so, &= ; still feel like I'm several hundred yards away from the iceberg, never mi= nd any notion of how much of it is undiscovered.

one of the "superusers", paul nagle (an accompl= ished electronic musician & writer) has written an alternative users' g= uide which sits nicely with the proper manual & the updates history in = the files section of the beast's own yahoo group. the designer is on the li= st, & responds generously to any enhancements suggested by list members= , besides having many of his own to offer. so the software updates are freq= uent & genuinely useful. there are also mp3's & even bits of video = demonstrating the device.

I can't possibly do it justice here.

one trick I do a lot is to have a track in arpeggio-recor= d mode but muted, & running in random. other tracks will poach some of = their notes (again, randomly) from this track, while the keyboard that's re= cording into it also goes sailing straight through the sequencer to play ch= ords from a module. so I'm playing chords, & the sequencer is playing a= mixture of preset notes & notes that are related, but only just, to th= e chords I'm playing.

sort of a semi-random auto-accomp.
addictive.

now, if I could work out how to map note events onto PC's= , I could get it to drive my repeaters too.....

fwiw, my band also has two jam-mans, two repeaters, two l= ine-6 dl4's, a notron sequencer, two doepfer maq 16/3 sequencers & a do= epfer schaltwerk. this last has been relegated to lightshow-duty. :-)

duncan/r.m.i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz]
Sent: 16 May 2005 13:06
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Live Looping Sequencer


I would suggest also looking at manuals of existing loope= rs:
http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manua= l_repeater_E.pdf
http://www.gibson.com/produc= ts/strings/echoplex/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf
...
http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html

and looking at software loopers around:
http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503= /msg00354.html

Web interface nuisance:
GMX allows to connect to their mail accounts also via SM= TP / POP. Check
their website how to configure your mailclient.

Cheers,
Bernhard
http://n= osuch.biz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thorsten Wilms [mailto:thorwil@gmx.de]
> Sent: Montag, 16. Mai 2005 13:31
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Live Looping Sequencer
>
>
> Hi!
>
> New to this list, I'm Thorsten Wilms and currently = working on my
> industrial
> design diploma. My topic is a hardware sequencer fo= r live use and
> improvisation.
>
> I defined sequencer like this:
> - A sequencer is a device for recording and playbac= k of signals with the
> possibility to arrange several recordings.
> Optionaly recordings can be edited.
> - Recording can happen in realtime, step-wise or al= ternatively through
> programming.
> - The Signal can be audio or control data (like MID= I).
> - To arrange refers to repeating, putting into sequ= ence and layering of
> recordings.
>
> The live and improvisation aspects led me to loopin= g gear, so my sequencer
> will be more of a live looper, just most likely wit= h emphasizing putting
> things into sequence and with audio and midi capabi= lities.
>
> I would appreciate any and all input, but I'm espec= ialy interested in:
> - the equipment used with loopers, routing setups
> - common problems (especialy on stage)
> - things no device does quite right / missing featu= res
> - what is realy important for looping gear
>
>
> BTW, I have to use another webmail provider, becaus= e mails sent over my
> prefered one (smtp: mx.freenet.de) to subscribe to = this list had no effect
> at all. Same for mail to the listmanager. Now i hav= e to use a web
> interface
> instead of Mutt ... help to resolve this issue woul= d be welcome.
>
>
> Looking forward,
> Thorsten Wilms
>
> --
> Weitersagen: GMX DSL-Flatrates mit Tempo-Garantie!<= /FONT>
> Ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C55A4A.AA33D310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 15:40:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GJaZ622113; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:36:37 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: music biz article To: Edwin Hurwitz , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Monica Message-id: <003201c55a4e$9cca9c00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >"The music business is a dark, plastic hallway > >where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. > >There's also a negative side." > The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long > plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die > like dogs. There's also a negative side. Thanks to Monica, Gary, and Edwin. For me, the hallway has always been darker than long. A cheerful, well-lit plastc hallway would certainly have me dropping all my responsibilities and making zero-return investments of talent, time, and tears. Wouldn't you? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 15:56:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GJtA125862; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4288FA6B.8030804@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:54:19 +0100 From: Steve Lawson Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: yet another echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4BFW3C.A.wRG.upPiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I remember a post from Steve Lawson, UK, where he said he had four and could sell some of them. But that was rather long ago. I'm too in Stockholm and I had to order my EDP from Gibson/Trace Elliot London even though Luthman Scandinavia was supposed to import them into Sweden. Luthman later dropped the product and I guess you have to order from abroad or find someone willing to sell a used one.<<< I don't have any echoplexes for sale, sorry, Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 17:16:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GLFMJ09785; Mon, 16 May 2005 17:15:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:15:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050516211412.19259.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater question, was RE: Digitech JamMan??? Now Sooperlooper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Repeater does indeed let you record up to 99 loops and they can be of any length and have up to 4 tracks each. They are fairly rare at this point, however Electrix is back in business and is talking about releasing the Repeater MKII this summer. I wouldn't hold my breath (The Repeater 1 was a year late) but if they release a Repeater that fixes all the issues with the first generation you will have one hell of a powerful device. I still use my Repeater almost every day and there's nothing else that touches it IMO. Mark > >>> >> I'm just looking for the right tool. Maybe > someone created a real time > >>> >> sampling patch with Max MSP, Super Collider > or Pure Data? Anyone heard > >>> >> of > >>> >> that? > >>> >> > >>> >> Greetings from Sweden > >>> >> Stéphane > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>> >>> No, and Yes, > >>>> >>> Can you create a loop of a given length, > then create one of another > >>>> >>> length, > >>>> >>> and then one of another length, > etc??....no, but what you can do is > >>>> >>> create > >>>> >>> a > >>>> >>> loop, use the multiply function to double > the original loops length, > >>>> >>> create > >>>> >>> another loop (track) over the longer loop > length (say that ten times > >>>> >>> quickly), then use the multiply function > again to increase the overall > >>>> >>> loop > >>>> >>> length, and record another track, repeating > the process. This does > >>>> >>> allow > >>>> >>> the > >>>> >>> user to have loops of increasingly longer > length, but as multiples of > >>>> >>> the > >>>> >>> original loop length. Does that make sense? > let me put it another way, > >>>> >>> You > >>>> >>> can't have a one bar phrase followed by an > eight bar phrase, followed > >>>> >>> by > >>>> >>> a > >>>> >>> five bar phrase, followed by a 3 bar > phrase, but you can create a loop, > >>>> >>> create another loop twice as long, another > loop twice again as long, > >>>> >>> etc, > >>>> >>> all using the multiply function.... I will > probably pony up for another > >>>> >>> Repeater, and I would highly recommend it > to even the most diehard > >>>> >>> echoplex > >>>> >>> dudes, particularly if they do indeed > address some of the units issues. > >>>> >>> Bill > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> >>> From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] > >>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:34 AM > >>>> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>> >>> Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> So ... quick dumb question ... will the > Repeater allow you to have > >>>> >>> multiple > >>>> >>> loops of varying lengths playing > simultaneously? > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>>> >>>> Sombody said something about a preorder > option for the Repeater V2 > for > >>>>> >>>> $499 > >>>>> >>>> some days ago... > >>>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> Other than the large, removal memory > (which is a great and > >>>>>> >>>>> well-overdue > >>>>>> >>>>> idea), I can't tell that there's a huge > difference in functionality > >>>>>> >>>>> between this and the original JamMan > (which I still own and love). > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* > way (i.e. under $500 if at > all > >>>>>> >>>>> possible) to have multiple loops **of > different and > >>>>>> >>>>> not-necessarily-related lengths** > looping together in the same box. > I > >>>>>> >>>>> know > >>>>>> >>>>> some of the more expensive units like > the Repeater and the EDP can > >>>>>> >>>>> supposedly do this, but boy I'd sure > like a cheaper option. :} > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > === message truncated === From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 17:30:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GLRDc13728; Mon, 16 May 2005 17:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <63653C58-8496-4A15-856C-6589717CD85C@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woah! That seems super sweet! Maybe now is the time to upgrade my G4 500 TiBook with something that already has Tiger on it. I wonder if the dev pack would come with it... Also, reading the features doesn't seem to mention if these loops sync to the tempo of the host application. When you do a real test I'd love to hear your findings. I'm doing the next Sunday loop show with Rick Walker and I'd love to be able to go down with a guitar, laptop, ampmodler and midi controller. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi List, > > Today I found out that you get a looping AU plug-in > when upgrading a > Mac to 10.4. You have to install the Developers kit > to get at it. > This looper's feature set makes seems a bit inspired > by the Repeater. > I still have to give it the real-world hands-on > test. For you that > might be interested but not yet have upgraded to > Tiger I'm pasting in > the ReadMe file for AULooper. I've been reading and > drooling here for > the last five minutes. Indeed very nice! > > The AU-Lab is a AU host application that also comes > free with Tiger > (Developer pack, is on the CD) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > Introduction > > The AULooper Audio Unit is an audio looper for live > performance and > was developed for use by musicians and DJs. > It's able to take live audio input (mono or stereo) > and record audio > loops > for immediate and seamless playback in an > interactive fashion. So, > for example, a drummer > could play a beat for several bars, mark the > recording start and end > points with a MIDI > foot controller, then immediately hear the looped > section of audio > seamlessly in time with their > playing. The drummer, could then play a different > rhythm on top of > the loop and continue > recording more layers of loops, either by > overdubbing on top of the > original loop, or recording > into a separately controllable loop. Currently, > AULooper supports > up to four stereo loops. > At any given time, one of the four loops will be > selected. Any of > the four loops may be > selected at any time by clicking on the loop itself. > > > Recording > > To record a loop, simply click on the "Record" > button to mark the > loop start > time. Whatever audio is currently being played and > input will be > recorded > starting at this exact time. When the "Record" > button is clicked a > second time, > the loop end time will be marked, recording will > stop, and the newly > recorded > loop will begin playback. Clearly, it's very > important to time the > start and end record > operations in perfect time with the rhythm you're > trying to capture. > Once an initial loop has been recorded, the "Retro > Record" > command may be used to capture audio which has just > been played. > Instead of requiring > the musician to click on the "Record" button twice, > once to indicate > the start time, > and once to indicate the end time. The "Retro > Record" button simply > indicates the > end time of the loop, and the start time will be > automatically > assumed to be one loop > time in the past. The "Retro Record" command is > very handy for a > musician when > he is playing along with an already recorded loop > and realizes he has > just played > something interesting. Clicking on "Retro Record" > will take what he > has just played > and record that as a loop synchronized with the > first. > > > Global Controls > > * Play (retriggers playback at the start of all > loops) > (may be used for "stutter" effects if used > repeatedly in a > rhythmic fashion) > * Stop (stops all playback, playback will re-start > with "Play") > * Global Reverse (toggles back and forth between > forward and > backwards playback for the global audio mix) > * Undo (undo/redo for the last edit or record > operation) > (undoable operations are: record, copy, paste, > clear, divide, > and multiply) > * Clear All (erases all the loops and prepares for a > fresh loop > recording) > * Set Start (at the moment this command is received, > re-defines the > starting point for all loops) > (The "Play" command will then retrigger > playback from this new > point in the loop) > * Slip Start Time Ahead "<" (Similar to "Set > Start", but > incrementally nudges start time ahead for all loops) > * Slip Start Time Behind ">" (Similar to "Set > Start", but > incrementally nudges start time behind for all > loops) > * Resync (Sometimes when playing with the "Reverse" > commands it's > possible for the playback lines in the loops > to get out of synchronization. "Resync" will > selectively > change the loop's start times to match the current > mix. > Subsequent "Play" commands will then retrigger > playback at this > rhythmic relationship) > * Mixdown (records the current mix, excluding the > live input, into > the currently selected loop) > * Pitch (global pitch control, additive with the > individual loop > pitch controls) > * Input Blend (allows adjustment of the live input > versus the looped > playback mix) > (all the way left is input only; all the way > to the right is > only the loop playback) > * Master Volume > > Loop Controls > > * volume, including mute, solo, and cue > * pitch > * playback direction (forward / reverse) > > * loop start point > - Set Start (at the moment this command is > received, re-defines > the starting point of the selected loop) > (The "Play" command will then retrigger > playback from this > new point in the loop) > - Slip Start Time Ahead "<" (Similar to "Set > Start", but > incrementally nudges start time ahead in the loop) > - Slip Start Time Behind ">" (Similar to "Set > Start", but > incrementally nudges start time behind in the loop) > - "Scan Slip" slider (allows the loop start > point to be > continuously adjusted; this can be interesting if > moved > rhythmically with the timing of the loop) > > * loop beat length (determines tempo along with loop > length in > seconds - default is 4 beats - one measure of 4/4 ) > > There are also commands for editing the currently > selected loop: > * Divide (divides the length of the loop by two, > discarding the > second half) > === message truncated === From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 19:39:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4GNb4c03090; Mon, 16 May 2005 19:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:37:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:43:42 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Venue Seeks Looping Artists To: Message-id: <002101c55a71$1a4d3940$9a89a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A good friend of mine is seeking Loopers for a weekly loopers night for a club she is booking. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO ME -- PLEASE RESPOND TO KARINE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ I would like to have a monthly loopers night on a Monday. I am also speaking with a poets group so maybe just maybe loopers and poets and then who knows from there. Karine Albano South Shores Tavern and Patio Bar 502 Lucerne Ave Lake Worth Fl 33460 561-547-7656 info@southshorestavern.com www.southshorestavern.com Pictures: http://www.southshorestavern.com/gallery.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 21:49:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H1lDI03149; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c55a82$53071ab0$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200505161107.j4GB7TP27431@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: RF's Birthday Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:44:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <4n3cvC.A.ur.dzUiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I was reading Robert Fripp's Diary earlier today, I realized (from his blast from the past) that today is Robert's 59th birthday. Happy Birthday Robert. :) And, apparently he's finalizing plans for his "I'm not touring ever again, well, maybe just a few dates" tour. :) Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 16 22:38:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H2asj13942; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:34:32 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: surround looping In-reply-to: <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42895838.1070901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <9HOyXB.A.ZRD.AhViCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reading these interesting ideas about surround looping made me realize that I have been thinking only about surround panning applied as an effect AFTER the loop. Either positioning multiple loopers in space or making loops move through space as they play. It is also possible (at least in software) to put surround panning BEFORE the looper to create multi channel surround loops. The panning is essentially recorded into the loop and repeats as it was recorded. A simple application is to manipulate location using an X/Y touch panel as you record a loop. Where it gets fun is that you can change the location on each overdub. This would let you build loops containing layers that have different locations in space, and would be a lot easier to control than using several synchronized loopers. In software what this requires is a looping plugin capable of managing sample frames containing more than 2 channels, the ability to merge samples from several VST input ports into a single frame, and the ability to distribute frame samples among more than 2 output ports. Hmmm ;-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 00:34:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H4VlW32544; Tue, 17 May 2005 00:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jl1letAed/bpXQD9i/6lRHu0UE0Y9A5K7roLGsvjtxYXCKMHDL3Rwbf+7AvF3uZlTLn+p8M5d5UlO3KrWeyLAgUwMThEtdwWMB0VLpeu4ASKz5Sp0Wfna16z4IJtTQQAVLf/PMP5k8PiUgOn04VgjH7P06aGKAmbbVkDxkULglk= ; Message-ID: <20050517043054.8490.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:30:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Mac OS X 10.4 goodies - AU Lab and AULooper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am not really qualified to write in-depth reviews on this type of thing, but since I had upgraded to version 10.4 (Tiger), I just thought I'd throw this out there. I installed the Xcode tools, which also included both AU Lab and AULooper. AU Lab is a program similar to Rax, which serves as a host for Audio Units. Very cool. Easy to use and set up, and it's free with the OS upgrade, so you can't beat the price. But the big gun was of course AULooper. After a brief deer-in-headlights look on my face when I first started it up, I started poking around and was quickly comfortable with it. It's midi-assignable, and supports 4 simultaneous loops. These loops don't have to be the same length. You can arbitrarily assign new start points for each independent loop, or globally for all loops. You can change pitch and speed independently of each other. You can sync the midi clock to internal or the host application. All in all, there is a lot of power in there. If you have Tiger, install the Xcode tools included on the installer DVD. Afterwards, AU Lab is located at Developer / Applications / Audio. AULooper is located at Developer / Extras / CoreAudio / AudioUnits / AULooper. Later, Mike __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 03:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H7UPZ01594; Tue, 17 May 2005 03:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:30:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:29:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 16, 2005, at 23:26, mark sottilaro wrote: > Woah! That seems super sweet! Maybe now is the time > to upgrade my G4 500 TiBook with something that > already has Tiger on it. I wonder if the dev pack > would come with it... Hi Mark, Don't you always get a CD with the system when you by a Mac? The Dev pack is on the CD. > Also, reading the features doesn't seem to mention if > these loops sync to the tempo of the host application. Oh, yes it does. You can chose "host sync" or "internal sync". In internal sync it's reacting as the REpeater and Echoplex, i.e. as soon as you close the first loop it starts sending out midi clock. Seems to be a good software looper to be the master when doing "first loop" tempo definition looping. > When you do a real test I'd love to hear your > findings. I'm doing the next Sunday loop show with > Rick Walker and I'd love to be able to go down with a > guitar, laptop, ampmodler and midi controller. I'll post some more in a couple of days. Some short notes, though: It doesn't time time stretch when you pitch transpose a loop. It's more like the EDP, going down in half tempo. But with AULooper you are not restricted to one octave down or up. Any not with that two octaves span can be set. There is one global pitch for the entire looper and then there are also dedicated pitch controls for each on of the four parts of the loop. These four parts can also be independently kicked into reverse mode... and there is a button to press to line them up in sync again. If you set one part to reverse mode everything you record is coming back reversed, way cool! Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 03:42:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H7ckZ04021; Tue, 17 May 2005 03:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:38:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:37:12 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: > .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything you record is > coming back reversed, way cool! > > Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too early by mistake). I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - by adding layers in a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term "Overdub" has a different meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed something. Will do some more tests here. Anyway, the things I like right away are the reverse recording, the pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining it all up in sync after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You can have a lot of fun with only those functions. I have only tried it on a dual G5 but will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu always have to be careful to not run out of CPU power with those powerbooks ;-) / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 03:51:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H7nZQ07044; Tue, 17 May 2005 03:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <42895838.1070901@sun.com> References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> <42895838.1070901@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C28FFAA-7B4E-48EC-9F5E-2B9DF83C5156@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:48:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 17, 2005, at 4:34, Jeff Larson wrote: > It is also possible (at least in software) to put surround panning > BEFORE the looper to create multi channel surround loops. The panning > is essentially recorded into the loop and repeats as it was recorded. > > A simple application is to manipulate location using an X/Y touch > panel as you record a loop. Where it gets fun is that you can change > the location on each overdub. This would let you build loops > containing layers that have different locations in space, and would be > a lot easier to control than using several synchronized loopers. Very interesting idea, Jeff! I do imaging the ultimate controller interface for this as a touch sensible X-Y carpet on the floor, on which you can paint with your toes the surround filed positioning of the loop while you are playing instruments by hand. The new AULooper has four parts looping capacity. If you record into all four parts at ounce it should be possible to cover the surround positioning. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 04:31:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H8TZe15668; Tue, 17 May 2005 04:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Cj3vC6vkcfWfTTNZr7RLZb6ebFvzxyMebJdkQKc3drFZ9f2UFIQVB8HtTl61yKUzyQ60YDvEjUYiKa5US+vA/Pqo3+3jmivaERU8k4e5HccLrXgAsmjicFwHi/qeeBLTXaNC+VcbK1JBsbBhjDKNXnWwl0X4acMtusx7+lFHq5w= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:29:07 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4H8TCx15462 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You do get a system CD, but I believe the developer kit is part of the Developer Connection subscription, which is something you have to pay money for. On 5/17/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On May 16, 2005, at 23:26, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Woah! That seems super sweet! Maybe now is the time > > to upgrade my G4 500 TiBook with something that > > already has Tiger on it. I wonder if the dev pack > > would come with it... > > Hi Mark, > > Don't you always get a CD with the system when you by a Mac? The Dev > pack is on the CD. > > > > Also, reading the features doesn't seem to mention if > > these loops sync to the tempo of the host application. > > Oh, yes it does. You can chose "host sync" or "internal sync". In > internal sync it's reacting as the REpeater and Echoplex, i.e. as > soon as you close the first loop it starts sending out midi clock. > Seems to be a good software looper to be the master when doing > "first loop" tempo definition looping. > > > When you do a real test I'd love to hear your > > findings. I'm doing the next Sunday loop show with > > Rick Walker and I'd love to be able to go down with a > > guitar, laptop, ampmodler and midi controller. > > I'll post some more in a couple of days. Some short notes, though: It > doesn't time time stretch when you pitch transpose a loop. It's more > like the EDP, going down in half tempo. But with AULooper you are not > restricted to one octave down or up. Any not with that two octaves > span can be set. There is one global pitch for the entire looper and > then there are also dedicated pitch controls for each on of the four > parts of the loop. These four parts can also be independently kicked > into reverse mode... and there is a button to press to line them up > in sync again. If you set one part to reverse mode everything you > record is coming back reversed, way cool! > > Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 04:58:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H8uen20476; Tue, 17 May 2005 04:56:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:56:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 15.451267 secs Process 86617) Message-ID: <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:54:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger Developer Kit is something you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple Developer Connection member to purchase it :( Stéphane > On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: > >> .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything you record is >> coming back reversed, way cool! >> >> Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or > > ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too early by mistake). > > I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - by adding layers in > a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term "Overdub" has a different > meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed something. Will do some > more tests here. > > Anyway, the things I like right away are the reverse recording, the > pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining it all up in sync > after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You can have a lot of > fun with only those functions. I have only tried it on a dual G5 but > will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu always have to be > careful to not run out of CPU power with those powerbooks ;-) > > / per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 05:36:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4H9YsY31797; Tue, 17 May 2005 05:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:32:54 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4H9X0x31191 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry people, my bad! Stéphane is right. In my ignorance I just happened top call the "Xcode Tools" "Developer Tools". It's the Xcode Tools that comes bundled with Tiger that provides AU Lab and AU Looper. (I was distracted because the folder on the harddrive was named "Developer). Per On May 17, 2005, at 10:54, obadia wrote: > my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger Developer Kit is > something > you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple Developer Connection > member > to purchase it :( > > Stéphane > > >> On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> >>> .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything you record is >>> coming back reversed, way cool! >>> >>> Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or >>> >> >> ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too early by mistake). >> >> I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - by adding layers in >> a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term "Overdub" has a different >> meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed something. Will do some >> more tests here. >> >> Anyway, the things I like right away are the reverse recording, the >> pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining it all up in sync >> after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You can have a lot of >> fun with only those functions. I have only tried it on a dual G5 but >> will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu always have to be >> careful to not run out of CPU power with those powerbooks ;-) >> >> / per >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 06:29:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HAS0E08183; Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:27:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: sphere X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - megs15.100mwh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonosphere.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4HARYx08118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per - Thanks for clearing that up! I was searching around on Google and it seemed there were lots of non-developers who had it. When I last played with it, overdub was working the way I expected (in a Repeater kind of a way) but maybe I'm not understanding what the EDP does... Doug http://sonosphere.com/ (where in Sweden are you? I will be east of Malmö in June...) On May 17, 2005, at 2:32, Per Boysen wrote: > Sorry people, my bad! Stéphane is right. In my ignorance I just > happened top call the "Xcode Tools" "Developer Tools". It's the > Xcode Tools that comes bundled with Tiger that provides AU Lab and > AU Looper. (I was distracted because the folder on the harddrive > was named "Developer). > > Per > > > > > On May 17, 2005, at 10:54, obadia wrote: > > >> my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger Developer Kit is >> something >> you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple Developer >> Connection member >> to purchase it :( >> >> Stéphane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 06:38:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HAb3p09099; Tue, 17 May 2005 06:37:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:37:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:41:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e2654b3b0b5f11f10c1cb5a93746d10780d1087b2572753744e27350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.239.225.167 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any decay/ fade functions? Thanks. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 06:39:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HAbf809146; Tue, 17 May 2005 06:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:36:12 +0200 (MEST) From: "Thorsten Wilms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #10078048 Message-ID: <29336.1116326172@www46.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Bernhard, great links. I've been through those 2 manuals and the tools section already, but the list of plugins was new to me. Thank you Jeremy, hoping for more details, maybe on the list this time (others might want to comment on it) ;-) Duncan: interesting piece of equipment, thanks. But my loop sequencer is meant to record MIDI much like audio and not to be like a step sequencer. One of my basic ideas is to enable it to play itself by triggering loops per MIDI. Loop triggered loops ... --- Thorsten Wilms -- 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 06:51:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HAmre10782; Tue, 17 May 2005 06:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c55acd$d0854e80$9600000a@p43ghz> From: "H. 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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C55ADE.93F3DFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 07:11:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HB97M15077; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:09:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <29336.1116326172@www46.gmx.net> References: <29336.1116326172@www46.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53C4BBAA-89FD-4C78-BE6C-D71B7D837E2E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:08:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 17, 2005, at 12:36, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > But my loop sequencer is > meant to record MIDI much like audio and not to be like a step > sequencer. > One of my basic ideas is to enable it to play itself by triggering > loops per > MIDI. Loop triggered loops ... You may check out Live 4 (software) for that. A fully working demo with complete PDF manual is available online. Among many other things it is possible to record a midi sequence of notes that trigger other midi sequences. Looping is default in Live, both for midi sequences and audio files. They tend to loop right away after being recorded if you do not turn looping off. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:23:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCLvx01432; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:21:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:21:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c55ada$ed3fd100$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <29336.1116326172@www46.gmx.net> <53C4BBAA-89FD-4C78-BE6C-D71B7D837E2E@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:21:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:08 AM Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer > On May 17, 2005, at 12:36, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > >> But my loop sequencer is >> meant to record MIDI much like audio and not to be like a step >> sequencer. >> One of my basic ideas is to enable it to play itself by triggering >> loops per >> MIDI. Loop triggered loops ... > > > You may check out Live 4 (software) for that. A fully working demo > with complete PDF manual is available online. Among many other things > it is possible to record a midi sequence of notes that trigger other > midi sequences. Looping is default in Live, both for midi sequences > and audio files. They tend to loop right away after being recorded if > you do not turn looping off. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:23:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCMTG01640; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c55ada$febaea00$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <29336.1116326172@www46.gmx.net> Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:21:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 205.188.118.98 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thorsten Wilms" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:36 AM Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer > Thanks Bernhard, great links. I've been through those 2 manuals and the > tools section already, but the list of plugins was new to me. > > Thank you Jeremy, hoping for more details, maybe on the list this time > (others might want to comment on it) ;-) > > Duncan: interesting piece of equipment, thanks. But my loop sequencer is > meant to record MIDI much like audio and not to be like a step sequencer. > One of my basic ideas is to enable it to play itself by triggering loops > per > MIDI. Loop triggered loops ... > > > --- > Thorsten Wilms > > -- > 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:24:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCMHf01590; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c55ada$dfabb630$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> <42895838.1070901@sun.com> <6C28FFAA-7B4E-48EC-9F5E-2B9DF83C5156@boysen.se> Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:20:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.19 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Re: surround looping > On May 17, 2005, at 4:34, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> It is also possible (at least in software) to put surround panning >> BEFORE the looper to create multi channel surround loops. The panning >> is essentially recorded into the loop and repeats as it was recorded. >> >> A simple application is to manipulate location using an X/Y touch >> panel as you record a loop. Where it gets fun is that you can change >> the location on each overdub. This would let you build loops >> containing layers that have different locations in space, and would be >> a lot easier to control than using several synchronized loopers. > > > Very interesting idea, Jeff! I do imaging the ultimate controller > interface for this as a touch sensible X-Y carpet on the floor, on > which you can paint with your toes the surround filed positioning of > the loop while you are playing instruments by hand. The new AULooper > has four parts looping capacity. If you record into all four parts at > ounce it should be possible to cover the surround positioning. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:27:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCNal02078; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c55adb$20a159b0$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:22:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 205.188.118.99 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wyatt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > Per - Thanks for clearing that up! I was searching around on Google and > it seemed there were lots of non-developers who had it. > > When I last played with it, overdub was working the way I expected (in a > Repeater kind of a way) but maybe I'm not understanding what the EDP > does... > > Doug > http://sonosphere.com/ > > (where in Sweden are you? I will be east of Malmö in June...) > > > On May 17, 2005, at 2:32, Per Boysen wrote: >> Sorry people, my bad! Stéphane is right. In my ignorance I just >> happened top call the "Xcode Tools" "Developer Tools". It's the Xcode >> Tools that comes bundled with Tiger that provides AU Lab and AU Looper. >> (I was distracted because the folder on the harddrive was named >> "Developer). >> >> Per >> >> >> >> >> On May 17, 2005, at 10:54, obadia wrote: >> >> >>> my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger Developer Kit is something >>> you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple Developer Connection >>> member >>> to purchase it :( >>> >>> Stéphane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:27:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCLtw01419; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:21:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c55ada$e618c300$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <20050517043054.8490.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.4 goodies - AU Lab and AULooper Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:21:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 64.12.118.81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike feeney" To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Mac OS X 10.4 goodies - AU Lab and AULooper > > I am not really qualified to write in-depth reviews on > this type of thing, but since I had upgraded to > version 10.4 (Tiger), I just thought I'd throw this > out there. > > I installed the Xcode tools, which also included both > AU Lab and AULooper. AU Lab is a program similar to > Rax, which serves as a host for Audio Units. Very > cool. Easy to use and set up, and it's free with the > OS upgrade, so you can't beat the price. > > But the big gun was of course AULooper. After a brief > deer-in-headlights look on my face when I first > started it up, I started poking around and was quickly > comfortable with it. It's midi-assignable, and > supports 4 simultaneous loops. These loops don't have > to be the same length. You can arbitrarily assign new > start points for each independent loop, or globally > for all loops. You can change pitch and speed > independently of each other. You can sync the midi > clock to internal or the host application. All in > all, there is a lot of power in there. > > If you have Tiger, install the Xcode tools included on > the installer DVD. Afterwards, AU Lab is located at > Developer / Applications / Audio. AULooper is located > at Developer / Extras / CoreAudio / AudioUnits / > AULooper. > > Later, > Mike > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:27:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCNae02073; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c55adb$05850af0$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:21:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:41 AM Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > Any decay/ fade functions? Thanks. - Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:27:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCNKE01979; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c55adb$1ceed900$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:22:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 205.188.118.99 Resent-Message-ID: <5gkRW.A.cc.iIeiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wyatt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > Per - Thanks for clearing that up! I was searching around on Google and > it seemed there were lots of non-developers who had it. > > When I last played with it, overdub was working the way I expected (in a > Repeater kind of a way) but maybe I'm not understanding what the EDP > does... > > Doug > http://sonosphere.com/ > > (where in Sweden are you? I will be east of Malmö in June...) > > > On May 17, 2005, at 2:32, Per Boysen wrote: >> Sorry people, my bad! Stéphane is right. In my ignorance I just >> happened top call the "Xcode Tools" "Developer Tools". It's the Xcode >> Tools that comes bundled with Tiger that provides AU Lab and AU Looper. >> (I was distracted because the folder on the harddrive was named >> "Developer). >> >> Per >> >> >> >> >> On May 17, 2005, at 10:54, obadia wrote: >> >> >>> my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger Developer Kit is something >>> you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple Developer Connection >>> member >>> to purchase it :( >>> >>> Stéphane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:27:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCNQL02013; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:23:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c55adb$025cc8e0$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <29336.1116326172@www46.gmx.net> Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:21:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 205.188.118.98 Resent-Message-ID: <_mozHD.A.wX.wHeiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thorsten Wilms" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:36 AM Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer > Thanks Bernhard, great links. I've been through those 2 manuals and the > tools section already, but the list of plugins was new to me. > > Thank you Jeremy, hoping for more details, maybe on the list this time > (others might want to comment on it) ;-) > > Duncan: interesting piece of equipment, thanks. But my loop sequencer is > meant to record MIDI much like audio and not to be like a step sequencer. > One of my basic ideas is to enable it to play itself by triggering loops > per > MIDI. Loop triggered loops ... > > > --- > Thorsten Wilms > > -- > 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:35:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCXVR04834; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:33:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c55adb$9b6f56b0$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:23:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 64.12.118.84 Resent-Message-ID: <6fIfEB.A.sFB.oQeiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:29 AM Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > On May 16, 2005, at 23:26, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Woah! That seems super sweet! Maybe now is the time >> to upgrade my G4 500 TiBook with something that >> already has Tiger on it. I wonder if the dev pack >> would come with it... > > > > Hi Mark, > > Don't you always get a CD with the system when you by a Mac? The Dev > pack is on the CD. > > >> Also, reading the features doesn't seem to mention if >> these loops sync to the tempo of the host application. > > Oh, yes it does. You can chose "host sync" or "internal sync". In > internal sync it's reacting as the REpeater and Echoplex, i.e. as > soon as you close the first loop it starts sending out midi clock. > Seems to be a good software looper to be the master when doing > "first loop" tempo definition looping. > >> When you do a real test I'd love to hear your >> findings. I'm doing the next Sunday loop show with >> Rick Walker and I'd love to be able to go down with a >> guitar, laptop, ampmodler and midi controller. > > > I'll post some more in a couple of days. Some short notes, though: It > doesn't time time stretch when you pitch transpose a loop. It's more > like the EDP, going down in half tempo. But with AULooper you are not > restricted to one octave down or up. Any not with that two octaves > span can be set. There is one global pitch for the entire looper and > then there are also dedicated pitch controls for each on of the four > parts of the loop. These four parts can also be independently kicked > into reverse mode... and there is a button to press to line them up > in sync again. If you set one part to reverse mode everything you > record is coming back reversed, way cool! > > Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCWdu04674; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:32:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:32:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c55adb$7dcf4340$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:22:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 205.188.118.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: > >> .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything you record is >> coming back reversed, way cool! >> >> Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or > > ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too early by mistake). > > I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - by adding layers in > a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term "Overdub" has a different > meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed something. Will do some > more tests here. > > Anyway, the things I like right away are the reverse recording, the > pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining it all up in sync > after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You can have a lot of > fun with only those functions. I have only tried it on a dual G5 but > will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu always have to be > careful to not run out of CPU power with those powerbooks ;-) > > / per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:45:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HChur07046; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:43:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:43:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! In-Reply-To: <008101c55adb$1ceed900$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> Message-ID: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> <008101c55adb$1ceed900$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 17 May 2005, Roger Williams wrote, repeatedly and loopingly: > please remove me from your mailing list...thanks Do it yourself. http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/Looplist.html Unsubscribe instructions there. *plonk* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 08:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCl3007608; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:47:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:47:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c55adb$ac1bfc20$656410ac@net.berata.com> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> <26638DFB-B18D-4C90-8EE2-4A1D7B9FF045@sonosphere.com> <007201c55adb$05850af0$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:26:37 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove yourself from our mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Williams" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > please remove me from your mailing list...thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mimlitsch" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > > >> Any decay/ fade functions? Thanks. - Paul >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 09:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HD8rF12712; Tue, 17 May 2005 09:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:13:42 +0100 Subject: Re: adress list From: jeremy To: , "H. Stolk" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3199184025_20099" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. 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 --B_3199184025_20099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 09:11:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HD98L12787; Tue, 17 May 2005 09:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:13:14 +0100 Subject: Re: surround looping From: jeremy To: , Roger Williams Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005901c55ada$dfabb630$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <0KE9AC.A.GDD.VyeiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi there, > > Here is the address to send your instructions to: > > To post to the list, send your mail to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com If you ever need to unsubscribe, send mail to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body. (without the quotes!) Make sure that your signature file is turned off. > > > Best wishes > > jeremy > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > > > > > please remove me from your mailing list...thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: surround looping > > >> On May 17, 2005, at 4:34, Jeff Larson wrote: >> >>> It is also possible (at least in software) to put surround panning >>> BEFORE the looper to create multi channel surround loops. The panning >>> is essentially recorded into the loop and repeats as it was recorded. >>> >>> A simple application is to manipulate location using an X/Y touch >>> panel as you record a loop. Where it gets fun is that you can change >>> the location on each overdub. This would let you build loops >>> containing layers that have different locations in space, and would be >>> a lot easier to control than using several synchronized loopers. >> >> >> Very interesting idea, Jeff! I do imaging the ultimate controller >> interface for this as a touch sensible X-Y carpet on the floor, on >> which you can paint with your toes the surround filed positioning of >> the loop while you are playing instruments by hand. The new AULooper >> has four parts looping capacity. If you record into all four parts at >> ounce it should be possible to cover the surround positioning. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> --- >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> --> iTunes Music Store / / / >> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 09:17:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HDFCv13766; Tue, 17 May 2005 09:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:15:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=SyGbBmHS5o5t4VaqOaqoDTJvEpPHPBiA4miUhcWWdQ3vsK9IZ463C4FCdyBCf24PoY8hggSvMefLwzFqY0MsB/e/OI7wIVkQOfXezK6x7kWqosNS7wwep7xxM3GLG6VYlkPbWFbvhZOPo7IrMvMgmYnFyhTdKEi9vP2gvXCIHks= ; Message-ID: <20050517131409.82227.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! To: obadia@clumsybeats.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, the Xcode Tools installer is what installs AU Lab and AULooper. Mike --- obadia wrote: > my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger > Developer Kit is something > you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple > Developer Connection member > to purchase it :( > > Stéphane > > > > > On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything > you record is > >> coming back reversed, way cool! > >> > >> Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or > > > > ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too > early by mistake). > > > > I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - > by adding layers in > > a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term > "Overdub" has a different > > meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed > something. Will do some > > more tests here. > > > > Anyway, the things I like right away are the > reverse recording, the > > pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining > it all up in sync > > after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You > can have a lot of > > fun with only those functions. I have only tried > it on a dual G5 but > > will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu > always have to be > > careful to not run out of CPU power with those > powerbooks ;-) > > > > / per > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 09:52:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HCRDW03054; Tue, 17 May 2005 08:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c55adb$348f9590$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> From: "Roger Williams" To: References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> <49669.213.100.44.49.1116320091.squirrel@213.100.44.49> <2CAA5343-7E22-43B2-BE42-EAA0FD8B4F4B@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:22:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 05/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 64.12.118.19 Resent-Message-ID: <9KLNeC.A.1f.CJeiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from your mailing list...thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! > Sorry people, my bad! Stéphane is right. In my ignorance I just happened > top call the "Xcode Tools" "Developer Tools". It's the Xcode Tools that > comes bundled with Tiger that provides AU Lab and AU Looper. (I was > distracted because the folder on the harddrive was named "Developer). > > Per > > > > > On May 17, 2005, at 10:54, obadia wrote: > >> my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger Developer Kit is something >> you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple Developer Connection >> member >> to purchase it :( >> >> Stéphane >> >> >>> On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything you record is >>>> coming back reversed, way cool! >>>> >>>> Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or >>>> >>> >>> ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too early by mistake). >>> >>> I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - by adding layers in >>> a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term "Overdub" has a different >>> meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed something. Will do some >>> more tests here. >>> >>> Anyway, the things I like right away are the reverse recording, the >>> pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining it all up in sync >>> after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You can have a lot of >>> fun with only those functions. I have only tried it on a dual G5 but >>> will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu always have to be >>> careful to not run out of CPU power with those powerbooks ;-) >>> >>> / per >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 10:18:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HEGHS25154; Tue, 17 May 2005 10:16:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:16:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:57:24 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: RF's Birthday To: Tony K , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005401c55aeb$103ee960$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007a01c55a82$53071ab0$0200a8c0@bigtony> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Frippster is blowing into my home town - Huntington, New York (on Lawn Guyland) on Father's Day Eve, June 18, at the IMAC theatre. My wonderful wife has gotten us tickets. He's also going to be at the Stephen Talkhouse in Amagansett around the same time. Any loopers on LI planning on either of these shows? Any loopers on LI? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: OT: RF's Birthday > As I was reading Robert Fripp's Diary earlier today, I realized (from his > blast from the past) that today is Robert's 59th birthday. > > Happy Birthday Robert. :) > > And, apparently he's finalizing plans for his "I'm not touring ever again, > well, maybe just a few dates" tour. :) > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 10:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HEJfS25800; Tue, 17 May 2005 10:19:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:19:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <200505171227.j4HCRHf03203@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505171227.j4HCRHf03203@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <29cefc5aa3ed68b4e887dc7d1ec111e0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bill Monk Subject: Re: Tiger dev tools FUD Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:19:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <0va1FC.A.nSG.l1fiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > my Tiger DVD came with Xcode Tools but Tiger Developer Kit is something > you have to buy extra and you must be an Apple Developer Connection > member > to purchase it :( Let's clear up this confusion. Every copy of Mac OS X has always come with the full set of developer tools and documentation. Same with Tiger. The "Tiger Development Kit" is now obsolete. It was nothing more than advance, beta copies of OS X 10.4 (including the developer tools, as always). Tiger itself is shipping now, and has everything you need to write OS X software. >> and you must be an Apple Developer Connection member >> to purchase it :( Joining ADC is free. For $500 more, you can get Tiger, w/de tools (exact same thing you'd buy at Amazon for $95) T-shirt 12 monthly documentation updates on DVD, which you don't need because the same stuff is free on the Apple website 12 months access to beta versions of 10.4.1 (oops, it's already out, for free), 10.4.2, 10.4.3, etc. a download of a copy of Tiger Server for development use a discount on 1 hardware purchase; the discount will be mostly eaten up by the sales tax Apple must charge, so no big savings to submit up to two questions to Apple engineers if you need help (for 99% of questions, the free Apple discussion lists will give you the same answers, and in many cases, access to the same people at no cost) Some other stuff you will likely never use, like the right to travel to CA at your expense and run your software in Apple's compatibility lab. Summary: the only thing anyone needs to write OS X software is a copy of Mac OS X (with its included developer tools CD) and an occasional internet connection. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 10:33:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HEVlX27122; Tue, 17 May 2005 10:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, digitalhell Subject: FS: old skool sampler stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For sale: Ensoniq EPS 8 output expander. This is for the EPS "classic" (note: NOt the EPS16+ or ASR) and adds an additional 8 individual outputs along with the stereo outs for a total of ten outputs. In excellent+ condition fully working with hard to find proprietary Ensoniq cable that attaches right to the EPS. Pictures available on request. These are ultra rare and go for $150-200+ from dealers if they come up. I don't need it so I'm asking $100 OBO which I think is very fair given this is almost like new and fully tested and working. If you want to make a reasonable offer go ahead. I'll include a sheet with instructions as well (very easy to use). Would like to see this go to sa good home and keep the mojo of EPS samplers alive - call me a romantic. Casio SK1 - Very good shape in orignal box (woo hoo) and it has the battery cover which as we all know makes a HUUUUGE difference in the sound quality. Fully working and you can keep the batteries too. Asking $35 obo I used these for making lots of loops of analog samples :) Buyer pays shipping from phila pa (or pickup and get a free beer). I accept paypal or USPS mo, pack very well, and will ship anywhere you wish. Email any questions. Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 11:33:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HFUsa04821; Tue, 17 May 2005 11:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:30:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:30:51 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Boss DD-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z0086pU8Ouk/CtQdLE40BQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_z0086pU8Ouk/CtQdLE40BQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. dB (insert Hunter S. Thompson quote here) --Boundary_(ID_z0086pU8Ouk/CtQdLE40BQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document.
dB
 
(insert Hunter S. Thompson quote here)
--Boundary_(ID_z0086pU8Ouk/CtQdLE40BQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 11:51:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HFnIB06968; Tue, 17 May 2005 11:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1116344818!21602355!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A03D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: surround looping Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:43:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55AF7.32746D00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55AF7.32746D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > It is also possible (at least in software) to put surround panning > BEFORE the looper to create multi channel surround loops. The panning > is essentially recorded into the loop and repeats as it was recorded. yes- could do that with my two repeaters..... a single aux send could be 4-way panned amongst the inputs.... & if part or all of the "overdub" path was routed externally & back in through the aux-send, the repeats would shift around too. I would return all four (two stereo pairs) repeater outputs to the desk & then use the sub-mix to send one pair to the rear speakers. a single aux would be routed through an external panning device (like pink floyd's famous stolen azimuth co-ordinator) to feed the repeater inputs.... possibly even driven by oscillators or other control voltages rather than a joystick..... the repeaters would be sent back to themselves via the aux, while their own overdub control would be turned down to about 70%. obviously, this is with "dry-muted". I think I might leave the office early today. :-) d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55AF7.32746D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: surround looping

> It is also possible (at least in software) to put su= rround panning
> BEFORE the looper to create multi channel surround = loops.  The panning
> is essentially recorded into the loop and repeats a= s it was recorded.


yes- could do that with my two repeaters..... a single au= x send could be 4-way panned amongst the inputs.... & if part or all of= the "overdub" path was routed externally & back in through t= he aux-send, the repeats would shift around too.

I would return all four (two stereo pairs) repeater outpu= ts to the desk & then use the sub-mix to send one pair to the rear spea= kers.

a single aux would be routed through an external panning = device (like pink floyd's famous stolen azimuth co-ordinator) to feed the r= epeater inputs.... possibly even driven by oscillators or other control vol= tages rather than a joystick.....

the repeaters would be sent back to themselves via the au= x, while their own overdub control would be turned down to about 70%. obvio= usly, this is with "dry-muted".

I think I might leave the office early today. :-)

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C55AF7.32746D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 12:15:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HGBtc11547; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:11:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:11:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b001c55adb$9b6f56b0$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <00b001c55adb$9b6f56b0$34a1c2ac@mycomputer> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:10:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Roger Williams" From: Chris Muir Subject: Roger Williams can't un-subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:23 AM -0700 5/17/05, Roger Williams wrote: >please remove me from your mailing list...thanks >From the FAQ: === I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. === So in the spirit of the last part: What kind of idiot are you, exactly? -C p.s. For some reason links into the FAQ aren't working for me. To get there, go to http://www.loopers-delight.com Then select "Mailing List Info" from about halfway down the middle column, then scroll down to the subscription info. -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 12:31:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HGS2r13518; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:28:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:27:18 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: surround looping In-reply-to: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A03D@lon-oxmail02> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <428A1B66.4080905@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A03D@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > yes- could do that with my two repeaters..... a single aux send could be > 4-way panned amongst the inputs.... & if part or all of the "overdub" > path was routed externally & back in through the aux-send, the repeats > would shift around too. Cool! Do the Repeaters have something similar to what the EDP calls "brother sync"? How would you synchronize them so that they start/end the loops at exactly the same time? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 13:02:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HGwWY17662; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:58:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <96.278908fd.2fbb7c70@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.278908fd.2fbb7c70_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_96.278908fd.2fbb7c70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dB, In a message dated 05/17/05 8:29:30, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of=20 > one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of=20 > different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted.=20 > You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. >=20 I am absolutely okay with that. I'm flattered that you'd think anything I'd have to say would be useful on the subject. In fact I'm tickled to death if anyone thinks anthing I say or do is worthwhile. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_96.278908fd.2fbb7c70_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dB,

In a message dated 05/17/05 8:29:30, coyotelk@optonline.net writes:

In the meantime, I'd l= ike Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of
one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of =
different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page.

I am absolutely okay with that. I'm flattered that you'd think anything
I'd have to say would be useful on the subject. In fact I'm tickled
to death if anyone thinks anthing I say or do is worthwhile.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#B0B0B0" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_96.278908fd.2fbb7c70_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 13:02:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HGxkM19454; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:00:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: yet another echoplex X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in Denmark, and had the same problem trying to track down an Echoplex. I ended up ordering one directly from the US. With the dollar so low it was actually cheaper than some of the second hand ones I've seen on Ebay even with carriage and 25% Danish VAT. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 13:07:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HH4Eu20354; Tue, 17 May 2005 13:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Checking out from LP for a while.... Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:03:20 -0600 Message-ID: <031101c55b02$544b7260$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 38, in=147, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all -- I haven't been participating in any of the LP discussions for the last few weeks, the reason being is that my wife and I had twins on May 5, a boy and a girl. Our boy has been home for over a week, and the girl is coming home today! Hence, I will be really strapped for time and unable to play online with you guys (I will be making time to submit my song to the new LP CD though!). Anyway, I just thought I would let you know, though I doubt anyone has noticed my absence. :) Cheers, and I'll get back into the playpen with you in a month or so! Kris ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 13:20:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HHHMv21883; Tue, 17 May 2005 13:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-14976-1116350139-0001-2" Message-Id: <428A26A0.000013.02388@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:15:12 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <031101c55b02$544b7260$6401a8c0@khartung> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, khartung@cableone.net Subject: Re: Checking out from LP for a while.... 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If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-14976-1116350139-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations!=0D =0D =0D =2E...get sleep when you can.... =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D Helix Server Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.htm=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: khartung@cableone.net=0D Date: 05/17/05 10:03:37=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Checking out from LP for a while....=0D =0D Hello all --=0D =0D I haven't been participating in any of the LP discussions for the last=0D few weeks, the reason being is that my wife and I had twins on May 5, a=0D boy and a girl. Our boy has been home for over a week, and the girl is=0D coming home today! Hence, I will be really strapped for time and unable=0D to play online with you guys (I will be making time to submit my song to=0D the new LP CD though!).=0D =0D Anyway, I just thought I would let you know, though I doubt anyone has=0D noticed my absence. :)=0D =0D Cheers, and I'll get back into the playpen with you in a month or so!=0D =0D =0D Kris=0D =0D ************************************************************************=0D **************=0D Krispen Hartung=0D http://www.krispenhartung.com=0D info@krispenhartung.com=0D View improvisational / real-time looping videos:=0D http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht=0D m#videos=0D =20 --=_serpico.real.com-14976-1116350139-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 05/17/05 10:= 03:37
Subject: Checking = out from LP for a while....
 
Hello all --
 
I haven't been participating in any of the LP discussions for the la= st
few weeks, the reason being is that my wife and I had twins on May 5= , a
boy and a girl.  Our boy has been home for over a week, an= d the girl is
coming home today!  Hence, I will be really strapped for t= ime and unable
to play online with you guys (I will be making time to submit my son= g to
the new LP CD though!).
 
Anyway, I just thought I would let you know, though I doubt anyone h= as
noticed my absence. :)
 
Cheers, and I'll get back into the playpen with you in a month or so= !
 
 
Kris
 
********************************************************************= ****
**************
Krispen Hartung
View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
m#videos
 
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Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:24:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wah-ever... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking to get a nice sounding wah-wah pedal. This would mostly be for greasy overdrive guitar playing but it would be great if it could double as a good effect on drums machines and such as well. true bypass is a must outside fo that I'm open to trying new things. Was looking at the Ibanez "Demon" thingie which has unfortunate marketing but apparently good sound. Also there the tech 21 and the new Boss COSM one (not too keen on digital emulations but again I'm open to hearing views) As a data point the standard Crybaby ain't cutting it and again true bypass would be nice. Any/all suggestions appreciated! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 13:40:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HHc3J25161; Tue, 17 May 2005 13:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.93,114,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1022811273:sNHT17505502" In-Reply-To: <031101c55b02$544b7260$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <031101c55b02$544b7260$6401a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <314B51DC-E5B5-404D-A377-AC00701EAE9F@earthlink.net> Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Checking out from LP for a while.... Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:37:22 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congrats, Kris! Looping your off-spring now, huh? Brave soul! dc On May 17, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Hello all -- > > I haven't been participating in any of the LP discussions for the last > few weeks, the reason being is that my wife and I had twins on May > 5, a > boy and a girl. Our boy has been home for over a week, and the > girl is > coming home today! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 13:50:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HHlQ626282; Tue, 17 May 2005 13:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.815467 secs Process 74090) Message-ID: <49276.213.100.44.49.1116351933.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> References: <20050516212607.8519.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <24941DFC-3228-42D9-9C63-8D07649BB881@boysen.se> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:45:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i installed Xcode Tools but when i try to load Looper.trak it says "document couldn't be loaded because it countains the following audio units that cannot be found: CoreAudio AULooper" can i lauch it from Live or Cubase? any idea? thank you stéphane > On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: > >> .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything you record is >> coming back reversed, way cool! >> >> Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or > > ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too early by mistake). > > I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - by adding layers in > a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term "Overdub" has a different > meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed something. Will do some > more tests here. > > Anyway, the things I like right away are the reverse recording, the > pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining it all up in sync > after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You can have a lot of > fun with only those functions. I have only tried it on a dual G5 but > will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu always have to be > careful to not run out of CPU power with those powerbooks ;-) > > / per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 14:23:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HILEW32595; Tue, 17 May 2005 14:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <03ca4609c6c38c4ddc18df3bb5e32519@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Wah-ever... Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:19:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 17, 2005, at 12:24 PM, Legion wrote: > true bypass is a must, outside fo that I'm open to trying new things. i guess that puts the Dan-O-Wah out of the question. highly under-rated wah pedal it is. best 30 dollars i've ever spent on FX. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 14:30:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HIR4q00894; Tue, 17 May 2005 14:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=naL9kX/iY5yOguVvuBhJcc1LkyvcAG7m+v6z6Q14UkAqc05/yrhjb9uivht44v6UPV0AeIS0P7yx61iDb2gbf0W4n7ctpZxixGXB7uavvAH2SxRPaTrLADkQxeEELs6crXhIbGJ88sYHT6VCW2l9g/sbCvp5rS/FtGeVW6/QPHY= ; Message-ID: <20050517182616.14670.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! To: obadia@clumsybeats.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You have to move or copy the AULooper file into the correct location for the system to find it. It's not actually installed and ready for use yet - it's just sitting on your hard drive waiting to be put in the right place. =) Copy the AULooper.component file from: Developer / Extras / CoreAudio / AudioUnits / AULooper and copy it to: Library / Audio / Plug-Ins / Components It should work after that. Mike --- obadia wrote: > i installed Xcode Tools but when i try to load > Looper.trak it says > "document couldn't be loaded because it countains > the following audio > units that cannot be found: CoreAudio AULooper" > can i lauch it from Live or Cubase? > any idea? > > thank you > > stéphane > > > > On May 17, 2005, at 9:29, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> .....ou set one part to reverse mode everything > you record is > >> coming back reversed, way cool! > >> > >> Recording mode can be set to Insert, Overdub or > > > > ...Replace mode (sorry, I hit the send button too > early by mistake). > > > > I was not able to overdub record - the EDP way - > by adding layers in > > a sound-on-sound like way. Maybe the term > "Overdub" has a different > > meaning for Apple? Or I might have missed > something. Will do some > > more tests here. > > > > Anyway, the things I like right away are the > reverse recording, the > > pitch transpose and also the Resync button (lining > it all up in sync > > after mangling loops with reverse and pitch). You > can have a lot of > > fun with only those functions. I have only tried > it on a dual G5 but > > will also try it on a 1,25 MHz Powerbook. YOu > always have to be > > careful to not run out of CPU power with those > powerbooks ;-) > > > > / per > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 15:52:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HJoJe18086; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:51:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Sequencer X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A036@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A036@lon-oxmail02> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, << chord sequences by using offset note events ... force-to-scale ... preset & user-programmable scales ... note events can have attributes randomised/influenced by what's happening on other tracks or the midi input ... etc. >> SSEYO's KoanPro (www.sseyo.com) can do similar tricks in its so-called 'hyper-instrument' mode as well as other random/generative fun. Sadly it's not being developed any more, but is still being sold. I believe SoftStep/MusicWonk (www.algoart.com) can also do similar things. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 16:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HKdmi27156; Tue, 17 May 2005 16:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=K8WAJDtgzlTN4d8fABVS7IEdA18oifmTuSnhpbbL1hjkXBq0/qvMvjDMy8zBwWQcWiA/N7RQveHwJiDW2vufLQ7bbx5mrN4HSdkcH6z5u9BVh4hcxzXvklkv46EFWnymdr+5zYWZ7fqBDtzWzVjNRc72T4J4P13flmeDJkL6zPg= ; Message-ID: <20050517203916.77697.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > In fact I'm tickled > to death if anyone thinks anthing I say or do is > worthwhile. Jeez, I was gonna tell you how much I've been enjoying Flux Aeterna, but not if it's gonna cause yer DEATH! -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 16:51:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HKk4928415; Tue, 17 May 2005 16:46:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:46:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wqG0s0FaE6p9gE0A40lpQmZITG7kV2q592cubeBkaQdSZKY7B7waYt/L1Hl/M99SHqunapgk5z7PITrtxQSBYBbDGtiZyqwIcsTUlD33WzSzeOhUDFTy+r8pWPmNu+DMaQ5OT1Fo6Bk/5uZSAR12C+dJsxJcyWpo7fYEBfHT1lA= ; Message-ID: <20050517204535.97576.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Wah-ever... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Legion wrote: > I'm looking to get a nice sounding wah-wah pedal. > This would mostly be for > greasy overdrive guitar playing (etc) Have a listen to the most recent two Jeff Beck albums ('You Had It Coming' and 'Jeff'); that's the Snarling Dogs Whine-O Wah. Beck confesses to being so smitten with the tone when he first got it that he waaaay over-used it. I like how he can make it sound like an overdriven blues harp... -t- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 17:00:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HKu3Q29827; Tue, 17 May 2005 16:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:56:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <428A5A4A.8010703@biink.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:55:38 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RF's Birthday References: <007a01c55a82$53071ab0$0200a8c0@bigtony> <005401c55aeb$103ee960$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <005401c55aeb$103ee960$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas Baldwin wrote: >The Frippster is blowing into my home town - Huntington, New York (on Lawn >Guyland) on Father's Day Eve, June 18, at the IMAC theatre. My wonderful >wife has gotten us tickets. He's also going to be at the Stephen Talkhouse >in Amagansett around the same time. Any loopers on LI planning on either of >these shows? >Any loopers on LI? > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > I think I'll be at the NYC show, maybe Philly. I haven't found any ticket information for NYC yet. Here's the tour info: > *Robert Fripp Tour Dates* > > Robert is performing soundscapes in the US on the following dates. An > * denotes a show where he is opening for the Porcupine Tree. > > June 8th, San Francisco, CA, Fillmore * > June 9th, Ventura, CA, Ventura Theatre > June 10th, Los Angeles, CA, Wilshire Theater * > June 11th, Anaheim, CA, The Grove * > June 13th, San Diego, CA, House of Blues * > > June 15th, Annapolis, MD, Rams Head > June 17th, Philadelphia, PA, World Cafe Live > June 18th, Huntington, NY, IMAC > June 19th, Amagansett, NY, Stephen Talkhouse > June 21st, New Haven, CT, Toad's Place > June 23rd, New York, NY, Concert Hall at the NY Society for Ethical > Culture > June 24th, Boston, MA, Somerville Theater > June 25th, Providence, RI, Lupo's > > Tickets for the Ventura, Somerville and Providence shows are currently > available through TicketMaster. Check with the venues directly for > tickets for shows in the other listed cities. > -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 17:57:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HLmkc04855; Tue, 17 May 2005 17:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050517155922.06551358@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:46:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: surround looping In-Reply-To: <42877ADF.6010405@sun.com> References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42877ADF.6010405@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:37 AM 5/15/2005, Jeff Larson wrote: >If you just want to route audio signals to 4 or more speakers during live >performance, then you don't need any special "surround" support in >software or hardware. You just need a computer audio interface that has >at least four mono analog output channels, and software that can route >signals to each of those channels. I agree. I'd been toying with the idea of doing something similar, but decided to go in a slightly different direction lately (using the outputs of the soundcard as multiple effect sends, rather than multiple speaker outs). However, I've got one or two jacks free on my Edirol FA-101 which I may still use for an extra out or two. >You would probably want to feed the audio interface channels into a mixer >with a 4 channel output bus, then into a pair of stereo power amps. There >are lots of mixer/amp possibilities, the important thing is the 4 output >audio interface. This is where I *might* respectfully disagree. If you've invested in any sort of powered speaker, there's not really a need to tack on a mixer or power amps (unless you've a specific specialized reason to do so). After I discovered all the software mixing capabilities of the new Ableton Live, I decided it would be perfectly viable to do all my mixing in software, and then merely use the I/O on my soundcard to route the signals externally -- currently, two different effect loops and one output to route signals into the Sustainiac. Thus, I've completely eliminated the mixer from my setup. And I either take the outputs balanced directly into the house board, or else attach powered speakers to the outs in the case of a smaller venue. >Next you need a VST host that supports multi-channel audio interfaces and >multi-port plugins. Plogue Bidule, Audio Mulch, and EnergyXT are all very >good. Audio Mulch is free, the others are under $100US. I'm not very >familiar with Live!, but you should be able to route audio to all of the >output channels provided by the interface. If you don't want to use the >static loop triggering features of Live, it will be simpler to use a >general VST host like Bidule. Here, I can't say enough good things regarding Live4. I originally bought it for, well, all the standard capabilities you normally think of in Live. Instead, I've mostly used it as a really, really flexible mixer and VST/AU host. The mixing and routing capabilities are ultra-flexible, and super easy to use. What's more, since everything's in software, I can reconfigure all my mixes and routing simply by calling up another preset. Sweet!!! I've also tried both Numerology and Plogue Bidule for this purpose, and found neither of them as much to my liking in this respect. Don't get me wrong -- I both own and really like each program, but each for its own purpose. However, Numerology couldn't handle multiple outputs on the soundcard well enough on the last version to which I updated, and it occasionally had quirks as a plug-in host. Likewise, I started checking out Bidule as a mixer/host when I was experiencing Jack troubles with SooperLooper. Bidule deals with Jack even worse than Live, though, so I've finally put SooperLooper on the back burner until the VST version comes out. With that taken out of the mix, I discovered that I was spending hours wiring up virtual patchcables in Bidule only to have it duplicate the function I already had in Live. In both cases, I've gone back to using both Numerology and Bidule for functions closer to what they were designed for [sic]. Live4 just kills in the mixer/host category, though, especially in flexibility and ease-of-use. Eventually I'm gonna need to start using Live for it's primary purpose, but until then I'm having loads of fun with the software routing/mixing alone. ;) Finally, for those of you who want to broaden their spectral image, but don't want to dive all the way into multiple speakers, I've also just started playing around with SRS (Sound Retrieval System) -- also known as "fake surround". This is the same sort of stereo image enhancement that you find in many computer music playback programs, like iTunes and (I think) WinAmp. There's a little-known hardware box that was manufactured by Crate a few years ago, the SM2-SRS, specifically to apply SRS processing to any sound source. I've just gotten one of those little puppies strapped across my main outs, and I'm looking forward to seeing what it does with my Vortex especially. I'll let you know if it's cool or crap... --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 18:40:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HMJPQ09862; Tue, 17 May 2005 18:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050517171015.03c666b0@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:14:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review In-Reply-To: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:30 AM 5/17/2005, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words.... Heck, I'll even >send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. Me! Memememememe! PLEASE!!! Sorry for the emphasis, but I just grabbed a DD-20 (based on some of the great things said here) and I'm currently fighting off a case of buyer's remorse. I know that I merely need some time to dive in and get to all the cool things in there, but it's just not clicking yet. Hopefully some of the great work you've written up, Douglas, will help get me a bit more inspired. :) --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 19:11:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HMx7D16564; Tue, 17 May 2005 18:59:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:59:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 7.228974 secs Process 20065) Message-ID: <49836.213.100.44.49.1116370620.squirrel@213.100.44.49> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:57:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you guys!!! here come my first impressions, what i don't like: - apparently you hear the overdubs only when you stop recording. should be optional maybe. - undo seems to be only 1 step backward - while overdubing, if you go over the loop lenght, what you just played won't match the first layer. means it will be de-syncronized regarding what you played, in other words: you don't hear what you played where you played it (i find this disturbing) - the undo doesn't always work for me - a few system hanged what i like: - the set start fonction rocks! great to desynchronize and bring variations in rhythmic patterns for example - the host sync - the tap - the mixdown only personal opinion. what's your opinion? stéphane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 19:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4HNBxa17669; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c55b27$99603b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: l()()p.p()()L tour dates: Japan Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:30:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6qWX1B.A.kTE.eoniCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will be doing five dates in Japan this coming week with my good friends Sunao Inami (godfather of the Japanese live looping scene) and Aci of the Japanese goth band, Phantasmagoria. Thursday, 19th Otoya,Kobe. (live looping/found sound) http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya/ Saturday, 21st KUF,Kobe Uwaya Gekijo (goth & live looping/found sound) http://www.cavestudio.org/kuf/ Monday, 23rd Kyoto Cafe Independants (live looping/found sound) http://www.cafe-independants.com/ Tuesday, 24th Kobe, Zink (live looping/found sound) http://www.zink.jp/? Wednesday, 25th Osaka,Fandango (live looping/found sound) http://www.fandango-go.com/ I'm very excited as not only will I be doing live looping/found sound gigs there but I will also be singing my new Goth single, "It Doesn't Matter" with Aci's band Phantasmagoria backing me up at the huge Kobe Underground Festival, one of the big three of annual Goth events in Japan. It will be my first ever performance as a lead singer in my life and who says you can't teach old dogs new tricks...................lol. I'm nervous as hell and as excited as a little kid. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 20:10:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I08CG25608; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:09:05 -0800 Subject: Re: l()()p.p()()L tour dates: Japan From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b001c55b27$99603b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you are so bad 2 the bone rick! best of luck on yer new (ad)venture. s hope there will Beez some MP3ss > I will be doing five dates in Japan this coming week with > my good friends Sunao Inami (godfather of the Japanese live looping scene) > and Aci of the Japanese goth band, Phantasmagoria. > > Thursday, 19th Otoya,Kobe. (live looping/found sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya/ > > Saturday, 21st KUF,Kobe Uwaya Gekijo (goth & live looping/found sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/kuf/ > > Monday, 23rd Kyoto Cafe Independants (live looping/found sound) > http://www.cafe-independants.com/ > > Tuesday, 24th Kobe, Zink (live looping/found sound) > http://www.zink.jp/? > > Wednesday, 25th Osaka,Fandango (live looping/found sound) > http://www.fandango-go.com/ > > > I'm very excited as not only will I be doing live looping/found sound gigs > there > but I will also be singing my new Goth single, "It Doesn't Matter" with > Aci's band > Phantasmagoria backing me up at the huge Kobe Underground Festival, one of > the > big three of annual Goth events in Japan. > > It will be my first ever performance as a lead singer in my life and who > says you can't teach > old dogs new tricks...................lol. > > I'm nervous as hell and as excited as a little kid. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 21:04:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I11Jm31880; Tue, 17 May 2005 21:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=pewouGEXnJyyEZjWZM/jtTV5Qb2/9/DktsyzUWuaR4WbPUGICVp1pv0sEpYC0quu; Message-ID: <410-2200553181359410@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: l()()p.p()()L tour dates: Japan Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:03:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403cb6fb342aa99f3c9a73af46ad954d57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.148.204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go down a storm, Rick! Luv from Beantown, ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\) > Date: 5/17/2005 7:12:54 PM > Subject: l()()p.p()()L tour dates: Japan > > I will be doing five dates in Japan this coming week with > my good friends Sunao Inami (godfather of the Japanese live looping scene) > and Aci of the Japanese goth band, Phantasmagoria. > > Thursday, 19th Otoya,Kobe. (live looping/found sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya/ > > Saturday, 21st KUF,Kobe Uwaya Gekijo (goth & live looping/found sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/kuf/ > > Monday, 23rd Kyoto Cafe Independants (live looping/found sound) > http://www.cafe-independants.com/ > > Tuesday, 24th Kobe, Zink (live looping/found sound) > http://www.zink.jp/? > > Wednesday, 25th Osaka,Fandango (live looping/found sound) > http://www.fandango-go.com/ > > > I'm very excited as not only will I be doing live looping/found sound gigs > there > but I will also be singing my new Goth single, "It Doesn't Matter" with > Aci's band > Phantasmagoria backing me up at the huge Kobe Underground Festival, one of > the > big three of annual Goth events in Japan. > > It will be my first ever performance as a lead singer in my life and who > says you can't teach > old dogs new tricks...................lol. > > I'm nervous as hell and as excited as a little kid. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 21:07:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I155Y32494; Tue, 17 May 2005 21:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:05:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bxpRVQ+X+XIFA4kuXiL1YOqinQEGSVEVdVtiD032nj9O3Bu0Lr5A8jNWBr82RFMZhd+/YvMcc0ZQ3IYnE32fXRtnt/g80B0FARDbmYUcyptGmWgmQX72Cn8NnRsyxJdd7nAX5itsbDJTXQ4MRquDiLJcbAdGPaL30biOLm2GYhg= ; Message-ID: <20050518010419.8663.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: l()()p.p()()L tour dates: Japan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wish i could join you man! take care and enjoy the sushi and sapporo Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I will be doing five dates in Japan this coming week > with > my good friends Sunao Inami (godfather of the > Japanese live looping scene) > and Aci of the Japanese goth band, Phantasmagoria. > > Thursday, 19th Otoya,Kobe. (live looping/found > sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya/ > > Saturday, 21st KUF,Kobe Uwaya Gekijo (goth & > live looping/found sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/kuf/ > > Monday, 23rd Kyoto Cafe Independants (live > looping/found sound) > http://www.cafe-independants.com/ > > Tuesday, 24th Kobe, Zink (live looping/found sound) > http://www.zink.jp/? > > Wednesday, 25th Osaka,Fandango (live looping/found > sound) > http://www.fandango-go.com/ > > > I'm very excited as not only will I be doing live > looping/found sound gigs > there > but I will also be singing my new Goth single, "It > Doesn't Matter" with > Aci's band > Phantasmagoria backing me up at the huge Kobe > Underground Festival, one of > the > big three of annual Goth events in Japan. > > It will be my first ever performance as a lead > singer in my life and who > says you can't teach > old dogs new tricks...................lol. > > I'm nervous as hell and as excited as a little kid. > > www.luis-angulo.com Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 21:20:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I1Inb01809; Tue, 17 May 2005 21:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:18:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:18:11 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f.451964ae.2fbbf1d3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <8os5WB.A.5a.dfpiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f.451964ae.2fbbf1d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heheheh, your compliments are appreciated. Thanks! In a message dated 05/17/05 13:39:35, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > In fact I'm tickled > > to death if anyone thinks anthing I say or do is > > worthwhile. >=20 > Jeez, I was gonna tell you how much I've been enjoying > Flux Aeterna, but not if it's gonna cause yer DEATH! >=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_f.451964ae.2fbbf1d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heheheh, your compliments are appreciate= d. Thanks!

In a message dated 05/17/05 13:39:35, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:

--- ArsOcarina@aol.com= wrote:
> In fact I'm tickled
> to death if anyone thinks anthing I say or do is
> worthwhile.

Jeez, I was gonna tell you how much I've been enjoying
Flux Aeterna, but not if it's gonna cause yer DEATH!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_f.451964ae.2fbbf1d3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 21:22:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I1Kn302093; Tue, 17 May 2005 21:20:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:20:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0f82k8/cp+tvnEhR9XIMwGfHQ7fB9EGMBbDi8d0IwFNFKyNJ+Fh0glnO9v+PxcEjRiAAUGb8Ghaxn+FMB2kojEZCPZeeIX11bp0mIml4CrUMcIk59WTw97dBayIaRZ/pjFXlMtg9tVMN49x3balV5sODbUoqGWPQgQNk9bCAeCo= ; Message-ID: <20050518012018.13929.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Japanese Music Business To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very interesting! cheers Luis http://cdbaby.org/stories/05/04/22/8910072.html www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 21:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I1Npf02406; Tue, 17 May 2005 21:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:22:49 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e0.13b90d76.2fbbf2e9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e0.13b90d76.2fbbf2e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Db, In a message dated 05/17/05 15:18:53, mech@m3ch.net writes: > >Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words.... Heck, I'll even > >send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole=20 > document. >=20 Uhhhh . . . and oh yes, PLEASE send me one of those too. I'd love=20 to see what other tips 'n' tricks you've figured out and compiled.=20 Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_e0.13b90d76.2fbbf2e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Db,

In a message dated 05/17/05 15:18:53, mech@m3ch.net writes:

>Finally, finally d= one with this beast. 2,700 words.... Heck, I'll even
>send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole
document.

Uhhhh . . .  and oh yes, PLEASE send me one of those too. I'd love to see what other tips 'n' tricks you've figured out and compiled.

Cheers,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
--part1_e0.13b90d76.2fbbf2e9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 21:36:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I1XCQ03502; Tue, 17 May 2005 21:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1fc.1ce4740.2fbbf4f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:31:36 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=A0=20l()()p.p()()L=20tour=20dates:=20Japan?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1fc.1ce4740.2fbbf4f8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <9dTCmC.A.j1.CspiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1fc.1ce4740.2fbbf4f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Rick, In a message dated 05/17/05 16:11:35, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > It will be my first ever performance as a lead singer in my life and who > says you can't teach old dogs new tricks...................lol. >=20 > I'm nervous as hell and as excited as a little kid. >=20 >From one "old dog" to another: Break a leg, break a stick, break a pick, break a nail (whatever "good=20 luck" phrase is apropos) to you man!!! Have a great time and knock=20 'em dead pal!!! PS, and when you get back set me a date for the 2nd Sunday thingy. I am sooooo there!!! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1fc.1ce4740.2fbbf4f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Rick,

In a message dated 05/17/05 16:11:35, looppool@cruzio.com writes:

It will be my first ev= er performance as a lead singer in my life and who
says you can't teach old dogs new tricks...................lol.

I'm nervous as hell and as excited as a little kid.

>From one "old dog" to another:

Break a leg, break a stick, break a pick, break a nail (whatever "good
luck" phrase is apropos) to you man!!! Have a great time and knock
'em dead pal!!!

PS, and when you get back set me a date for the 2nd Sunday thingy.
I am sooooo there!!!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1fc.1ce4740.2fbbf4f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 22:08:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I25Lh07779; Tue, 17 May 2005 22:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wah-ever... In-Reply-To: <20050517204535.97576.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have gotten a lot of reccomendations for the Snarling Dogs Whine-o-wah. however apparently there are *serious* issues regarding the reliability and build quality of these. Harmony Central has more horror stories on this than any other pedal for reliability and a local friend said the wah he got (not the whine-o) fell apart constantly. Everything from the chassis bending to the stomp switch breaking when you step on it (good god!) to the knobs feeling cheap and loosening up. I saw one review that said the company was sold and is doing better but still more said it wasn't. I see that there seems to be a Whine-O and a Whine-O + but can't find out what the difference is (most stores don't list the "+" and neither does the web site) What's the difference in these models (if any I suppose)? Anyone here have any experiences with the Snarling Dogs wah pedals ? Thanks again for any clarification! >>I'm looking to get a nice sounding wah-wah pedal. This would mostly be for greasy overdrive guitar playing (etc) > > >Have a listen to the most recent two Jeff Beck albums ('You Had It Coming' and 'Jeff'); that's the Snarling >Dogs Whine-O Wah. Beck confesses to being so smitten with the tone when he first got it that he waaaay over-used it. I like how he can make it sound like an overdriven blues harp... > -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 22:57:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I2sO813716; Tue, 17 May 2005 22:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: don@donmak.com From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Wah-ever... Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:54:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcVbBl7mmQ7jBZB3RbObiRHqaWxxywATnNew Message-ID: <1116385156.12835@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1X-_R.A.YVD.84qiCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really like the Boss V-Wah. I know it is digital, but the Wah effects are great for recording and live. Plus there is a Uni-Vibe effect on it that completely kicks arse. I get comments from musicians in the audience all the time - "What were you using to get that AMAZING Leslie sound?" But the best thing about the V-Wah for me is the Infra-Red mechanism. No having to deal with dirty potentiometers and so forth. This was a big pain for me because I hate working on effects pedals. It is the typical "solid" boss construction too. Super rugged. Hope that helps, Don Mak -----Original Message----- From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:25 PM To: analogue@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wah-ever... I'm looking to get a nice sounding wah-wah pedal. This would mostly be for greasy overdrive guitar playing but it would be great if it could double as a good effect on drums machines and such as well. true bypass is a must outside fo that I'm open to trying new things. Was looking at the Ibanez "Demon" thingie which has unfortunate marketing but apparently good sound. Also there the tech 21 and the new Boss COSM one (not too keen on digital emulations but again I'm open to hearing views) As a data point the standard Crybaby ain't cutting it and again true bypass would be nice. Any/all suggestions appreciated! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 23:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I37Ln16282; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <428A407D.5080809@toadmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:05:33 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: surround looping References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> In-Reply-To: <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1r5RkC.A.o9D.NFriCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I think the possibilities of true 5.1 surround looping are awesome. > >Here are a few of my thoughts: > >1) It's the .1 part that my instinct tells me will be the thorny issue to >resolve, especially live. What to do with the .1?? How can we separate >out the lowest frequencies from so much musical information without creating >musical mush? > > Couldn't 5.1 be accomplished simply by using 6.0 and sending the 6th output through a crossover and to a sub? You could then feed it selectively from each channel. I guess it really boils down to your mixers' capabilities. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 23:45:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I3iCv19817; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c55b5b$ea71b840$6c905142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <00b001c55b27$99603b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: l()()p.p()()L tour dates: Japan Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:44:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is so damned awesome Rick... Congratulations! I hope to get to one of the Attic shows sometime soon as well. -Mkkz Bffz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: l()()p.p()()L tour dates: Japan > I will be doing five dates in Japan this coming week with > my good friends Sunao Inami (godfather of the Japanese live looping scene) > and Aci of the Japanese goth band, Phantasmagoria. > > Thursday, 19th Otoya,Kobe. (live looping/found sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya/ > > Saturday, 21st KUF,Kobe Uwaya Gekijo (goth & live looping/found sound) > http://www.cavestudio.org/kuf/ > > Monday, 23rd Kyoto Cafe Independants (live looping/found sound) > http://www.cafe-independants.com/ > > Tuesday, 24th Kobe, Zink (live looping/found sound) > http://www.zink.jp/? > > Wednesday, 25th Osaka,Fandango (live looping/found sound) > http://www.fandango-go.com/ > > > I'm very excited as not only will I be doing live looping/found sound gigs > there > but I will also be singing my new Goth single, "It Doesn't Matter" with > Aci's band > Phantasmagoria backing me up at the huge Kobe Underground Festival, one of > the > big three of annual Goth events in Japan. > > It will be my first ever performance as a lead singer in my life and who > says you can't teach > old dogs new tricks...................lol. > > I'm nervous as hell and as excited as a little kid. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 17 23:51:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I3nsE20280; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <428A4A11.5080206@toadmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:46:25 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like this. Several months ago I while watching a National Geographic documentary on the Baka people of central Africa (those people some would call Pygmies) I was smitten by their music. Of course, the documentary was focused on their way of life and addressed their music only in passing, but it was enough to pique my interest. After a little 'net research what really struck me was how honest and simple it was, while at the time sounding not unlike something I'd expect to hear from Fripp & his League of Crafty Guitarists. My point is that I have very little in common with that Baka man playing on a hillside in the jungles of Africa, but his music spoke to me. Therein lies the power of music and it is precisely that which is missing from the 'business' of music and that which is vomitted from the music business machine. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 04:15:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I8DVm23025; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:13:01 +0100 From: Norman Lamont X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal Reply-To: Norman Lamont X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1708702657.20050518091301@normanlamont.com> To: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review In-Reply-To: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Douglas, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 4:30:51 PM, you wrote: DB> Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've DB> contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of DB> The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that DB> I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay DB> two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope DB> that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know DB> before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole DB> document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. DB> dB DB>   DB> (insert Hunter S. Thompson quote here) Could you send me a copy please? I'm thinking of getting one, so I'm sure it'll be helpful in making up my mind. -- Best regards, Norman mailto:groups@normanlamont.com http://www.normanlamont.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 04:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I8Ze325562; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:35:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:35:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050517204535.97576.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050517204535.97576.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0555E7F5-36A6-4D1B-A2AA-61EB4707ECD5@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Wah-ever... Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:35:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Legion wrote: > >> I'm looking to get a nice sounding wah-wah pedal. >> This would mostly be for >> greasy overdrive guitar playing (etc) >> > > On May 17, 2005, at 22:45, Tim Nelson wrote: > > Have a listen to the most recent two Jeff Beck albums > ('You Had It Coming' and 'Jeff'); that's the Snarling > Dogs Whine-O Wah. Beck confesses to being so smitten > with the tone when he first got it that he waaaay > over-used it. I like how he can make it sound like an > overdriven blues harp... > > -t- Another nice trick is to daisy chain two wha pedlals for doubled effect. Doesn't have to be of the same brand. A usual advice when looking for such gear is to spend some hours at a music store and try out the one that rings a bell with you. I once did that when buying a guitar and found that the best telecaster in the store was not from fender but form J & D that I had never heard of before. It sounded best and a good thing was the price tag about a tenth of the fender price :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 05:11:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4I945D30255; Wed, 18 May 2005 05:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <428B053A.6050002@aon.at> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:04:58 +0200 From: jera Reply-To: jera@aon.at User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, coyotelk@optonline.net Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review References: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0520-1, 17.05.2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi!

i am using my DD-20 for vocal things mainly - trying around, sometimes getting nice things out, sometimes just chaos :-)
please send me one too.

thank you very much -
cheers from vienna, austria
edgar



Douglas Baldwin schrieb:
Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document.
dB
 
(insert Hunter S. Thompson quote here)

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 08:32:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ICTMj30146; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ou17D+9eS++1wtscUTSEMxmNlOtaK5oJCqnks+BDLpCGjNFiPInJFf1bBmiB30sniSeTdAitL2EeZzqyljbR7TQ6czW+LktrhhcTSdDRyf8+ct9CB5vtR/9fOJjf3SlKMPgMkhAaq9GDivCNraCBuWWrPJGGBu/+t26P1bDK6Vc= ; Message-ID: <20050518122828.56206.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Joyce Subject: RE: EDP outside the US? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <967XAD.A.uVH.yTziCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Yes, I've had the bank-breaking experience of buying two EDPs from a UK retailer. The list price was something like (wait for it) $1,600 EACH ! (i.e. about £900 GBP), although I managed to get mine for the (ahem) 'knockdown' price of about $1,350. Yes, I realise this is double the price charged in the US, but I really needed these things and I calculated that the customs and shipping charges if I'd ordered these things direct from the US would have been almost as great, plus no customer support if they break. This ridiculous expense was made all the more frustrating when, whilst waiting for the order to arrive I noticed in the manual download that these units have 'made in the UK' stamped on the back !!! Does this mean EDPs are manufactured in the UK, then exported, then re-imported ??! No wonder they're expensive ! I bet they only cost about $300 to make. The world's gone crazy ! Anyway, despite the expense I can now make lovely stereo loops, which are well worth every penny of the ridiculous price tag. Hoo-ray for Matthias Grob, Kim Flint, etc ! Regards Guy Joyce aka XISTH (nothing to do with Star Wars BTW) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 09:38:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IDXKU09048; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:33:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:29:50 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c55bae$59e145e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200505180136.j4I1aoT03734@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To All Who Requested the Review- I am flattered that so many of you would wish to read this. I received a quick response from Kim Flint, and so it makes more sense to nip and tuck the document and submit it to the web page than to spend the time sending it to all of you individually. If all goes well on my end, I'll have it re-submitted to KF later today, and maybe it'll be web-ready by tomorrow. Be patient, my looplings, my looplets, my loopushkams. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 09:53:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IDp1F11557; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttYVMNrck5X+VT0CUlrka+8Wxr00MtCpIHg== X-Originating-IP: [4.249.222.191] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:47:49 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050518.064800.11417.56424@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1332755802 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.162|webmail22.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 05/17/05 15:18:53, mech@m3ch.net writes: >Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words.... Heck, I'll even >send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. Hi all, I own two of these and I too would like to read the review. Please send me one! Thanks, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 10:04:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IE2Ji14970; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:02:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.3ccbc66f.2fbca4c0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:01:36 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1116424895" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1116424895 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/17/2005 6:18:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mech@m3ch.net writes: Me! Memememememe! PLEASE!!! Sorry for the emphasis, but I just grabbed a DD-20 (based on some of the great things said here) and I'm currently fighting off a case of buyer's remorse. I know that I merely need some time to dive in and get to all the cool things in there, but it's just not clicking yet. Hopefully some of the great work you've written up, Douglas, will help get me a bit more inspired. :) --m. If it makes you feel any better, I went through buyer's remorse with my DD-20 too. I almost sold it on eBay. However, after a couple of weeks now, I'm glad I have it and won't part with it. It takes some getting used to, no doubt there. Keep plugging away at it. Carl -------------------------------1116424895 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/17/2005 6:18:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 mech@m3ch.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
Me!=20 Memememememe!  PLEASE!!!

Sorry for the emphasis, but I just=20 grabbed a DD-20 (based on some of the
great things said here) and I'm=20 currently fighting off a case of buyer's
remorse.  I know that I=20 merely need some time to dive in and get to all the
cool things in the= re,=20 but it's just not clicking yet.  Hopefully some of
the great work= =20 you've written up, Douglas, will help get me a bit more
inspired. = ;=20 :)

         --m.
If it makes you feel any better, I went through buyer's remorse with my= =20 DD-20 too. I almost sold it on eBay.
 
However, after a couple of weeks now, I'm glad I have it and won't part= =20 with it. It takes some getting used to, no doubt there.
 
Keep plugging away at it.
 
Carl
-------------------------------1116424895-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 10:31:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IETkA19427; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1116426381!19395800!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A049@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: surround looping Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:23:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55BB5.1A2C5B90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55BB5.1A2C5B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> yes- could do that with my two repeaters..... a single aux send could be > 4-way panned amongst the inputs.... & if part or all of the "overdub" > path was routed externally & back in through the aux-send, the repeats > would shift around too. Cool! Do the Repeaters have something similar to what the EDP calls "brother sync"? How would you synchronize them so that they start/end the loops at exactly the same time?<< I'd just run them on the same midi buss.... but on different channels, maybe... [scratches head] yes, different channels, so's I could alter the levels & so forth independently from my pc1600 or my fcb1010 which I've still never used in this context. sometimes I'd be sending the same command to both units- the pc1600 would allow me to do this by programming a string of midi with the same prog change on two channels at once. so most of the time they'd be doing the same things at the same time, but always with the option of sending "targetted" instructions to one or the other of them. I can't think of an example of that in this context..... but it would be useful to retain the option, I reckon. they would both be running on external midi clock, coming from a korg electribe. I like to use the korgs as a master clock because the tap-tempo button is so big on them, & they're pretty stable; we can clock the whole rig from one of them & then it's reasonably easy for the drummer to lead off. still pondering the audio paths though.... I think I'd need separate "quadrasonic panners" for the instrument & feedback paths to make life really interesting, & possibly drive them both from lfo's. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55BB5.1A2C5B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: surround looping

>>> yes- could do that with my two repeaters....= . a single aux send could be
> 4-way panned amongst the inputs.... & if part o= r all of the "overdub"
> path was routed externally & back in through th= e aux-send, the repeats
> would shift around too.

Cool!  Do the Repeaters have something similar to wh= at the EDP calls
"brother sync"?  How would you synchroniz= e them so that they start/end
the loops at exactly the same time?<<

I'd just run them on the same midi buss.... but on differ= ent channels, maybe... [scratches head] yes, different channels, so's I cou= ld alter the levels & so forth independently from my pc1600 or my fcb10= 10 which I've still never used in this context. sometimes I'd be sending th= e same command to both units- the pc1600 would allow me to do this by progr= amming a string of midi with the same prog change on two channels at once.<= /FONT>

so most of the time they'd be doing the same things at th= e same time, but always with the option of sending "targetted" in= structions to one or the other of them. I can't think of an example of that= in this context..... but it would be useful to retain the option, I reckon= .

they would both be running on external midi clock, coming= from a korg electribe. I like to use the korgs as a master clock because t= he tap-tempo button is so big on them, & they're pretty stable; we can = clock the whole rig from one of them & then it's reasonably easy for th= e drummer to lead off.

still pondering the audio paths though.... I think I'd ne= ed separate "quadrasonic panners" for the instrument & feedba= ck paths to make life really interesting, & possibly drive them both fr= om lfo's.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C55BB5.1A2C5B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 10:58:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IEtUB23780; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: OT: music biz article Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:54:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <428A4A11.5080206@toadmail.com> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 18 May 2005 16:51:06 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.78.239 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have very little in common with that Baka man playing on a hillside in the jungles of Africa, but his music spoke to me. Therein lies the power of music totally agreed. A good example. I feel quite distant from the Aka pygmies culturally but their singing moves me to tears. Last year I actually saw them perform here in Cologne/Germany. It was a combined concert in the philharmony starring two dozen Aka singing, and contemporary chamber and opera music by Gyorgy Ligeti - it was his 80th birthday concert. Ligeti is also very interested in pygmy music, and feels close to them, musically. Seeing these small, half-naked people on stage, just having come from the deep jungle and not quite attuned to the western world, visibly feeling insecure on the huge concert hall stage, then slowly warming up and then taking off carried by their gorgeous polyrhythmic singing - this blew everyone's mind in the audience, and there were standing ovations afterwards. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 11:34:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IFTaP31133; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050518102614.104388b0@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:27:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review In-Reply-To: <000001c55bae$59e145e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <200505180136.j4I1aoT03734@hemlock.violacea.com> <000001c55bae$59e145e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:29 AM 5/18/2005, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >To All Who Requested the Review- > I am flattered that so many of you would wish to read this. I received a >quick response from Kim Flint, and so it makes more sense to nip and tuck >the document and submit it to the web page than to spend the time sending it >to all of you individually. If all goes well on my end, I'll have it >re-submitted to KF later today, and maybe it'll be web-ready by tomorrow. Douglas, Just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work on this. :) --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 11:37:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IFXK831668; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:33:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Live Looping Sequencer Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:34:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One more: software sequencer for linux (seq24) http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8304 Bernhard http://nosuch.biz -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Montag, 16. Mai 2005 14:06 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live Looping Sequencer I would suggest also looking at manuals of existing loopers: http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.pdf http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf ... http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html and looking at software loopers around: http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html Web interface nuisance: GMX allows to connect to their mail accounts also via SMTP / POP. Check their website how to configure your mailclient. Cheers, Bernhard http://nosuch.biz > -----Original Message----- > From: Thorsten Wilms [mailto:thorwil@gmx.de] > Sent: Montag, 16. Mai 2005 13:31 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live Looping Sequencer > > > Hi! > > New to this list, I'm Thorsten Wilms and currently working on my > industrial > design diploma. My topic is a hardware sequencer for live use and > improvisation. > > I defined sequencer like this: > - A sequencer is a device for recording and playback of signals with the > possibility to arrange several recordings. > Optionaly recordings can be edited. > - Recording can happen in realtime, step-wise or alternatively through > programming. > - The Signal can be audio or control data (like MIDI). > - To arrange refers to repeating, putting into sequence and layering of > recordings. > > The live and improvisation aspects led me to looping gear, so my sequencer > will be more of a live looper, just most likely with emphasizing putting > things into sequence and with audio and midi capabilities. > > I would appreciate any and all input, but I'm especialy interested in: > - the equipment used with loopers, routing setups > - common problems (especialy on stage) > - things no device does quite right / missing features > - what is realy important for looping gear > > > BTW, I have to use another webmail provider, because mails sent over my > prefered one (smtp: mx.freenet.de) to subscribe to this list had no effect > at all. Same for mail to the listmanager. Now i have to use a web > interface > instead of Mutt ... help to resolve this issue would be welcome. > > > Looking forward, > Thorsten Wilms > > -- > Weitersagen: GMX DSL-Flatrates mit Tempo-Garantie! > Ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 11:44:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IFft301213; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:41:19 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: surround looping In-reply-to: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A049@lon-oxmail02> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <428B621F.5080103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A049@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > they would both be running on external midi clock, coming from a korg > electribe. I'm wondering if MIDI sync is accurate enough. What's unusual about this application is that the sync'd loopers contain different levels of the same signal rather than the more common case of containing different signals. So, unless you have close to sample-level sync you may hear subtle artifacts similar to flanging. This will be affected to some degree by MIDI latency, how well the Repeaters deal with MIDI clock jitter and how often the time stretch kicks in to compensate for drift. It's basically the same issue people have when syncing two EDPs together to get stereo. The EDP supports both MIDI sync and the more accurate "brother" sync. But to my knowledge, everyone uses brother sync for stereo looping, I'm guessing for this reason. But heck, it can't hurt to try. Even if there are audible artifacts, they might be pleasant :-) The lfo assisted panning is a cool idea. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 11:50:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IFkXV01838; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-ORBL: [67.115.60.11] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050517234628.04aee0b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:49:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! In-Reply-To: <63653C58-8496-4A15-856C-6589717CD85C@boysen.se> References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> <63653C58-8496-4A15-856C-6589717CD85C@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per- At 04:03 AM 5/16/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >I've been reading and drooling here for >the last five minutes. Indeed very nice! So I'm curious, can you tell me what about the feature set makes you drool? For me it didn't seem very remarkable or innovative from the readme file, so I'm wondering what you saw that I missed. I don't have a mac that can run tiger to try this with at this time, so maybe you or others can help answer some of my questions below? >It's able to take live audio input (mono or stereo) and record audio loops >for immediate and seamless playback in an interactive fashion. good, that's the basic looper function we expect. Does it allow you to go directly to overdub out of record? (the usual first question asked about every looper). By this time, after so many years of discussion about Record-to-Overdub, any looper that fails to implement this feature from the start is really exhibiting some astonishing ignorance about the looper universe. I hope they didn't miss this! >Currently, AULooper supports up to four stereo loops. multi-track, that's nice. like Repeater or DJRND3 or Bob Sellon's JamMan upgrade or various other software loopers. Well, in other words... not new. As always, the important questions with multi-track loopers is, how intuitive is the user interface for live control? Creating a multi-track looper is very easy. Creating a multi-track looper user interface is very, very, very difficult. Nobody has done it well yet. How did they do here? >At any given time, one of the four loops will be selected. Any of the >four loops may be selected at any time by clicking on the loop itself. So you can't select more than one loop to control at a time? (i.e., pitch shift 1 and 4 but leave 2 and 3 alone, etc). I assume they all play simultaneously? >Once an initial loop has been recorded, the "Retro Record" command may be >used to capture audio which has just been played. Instead of requiring the >musician to click on the "Record" button twice, once to indicate the start >time, and once to indicate the end time. The "Retro Record" button simply >indicates the end time of the loop, and the start time will be >automatically assumed to be one loop time in the past. That's a nice function. It's a very old one though, originally from delays in the 70's. I've had people occasionally ask about this who were accustomed to looping with old tape delay loops from decades ago. It's possible in some modern loopers that have some sort of "Delay Mode" operation, but not as such an explicit function. >* Undo (undo/redo for the last edit or record operation) > (undoable operations are: record, copy, paste, clear, divide, and > multiply) is it multiple undo? Can it undo a mistake button press, or just a mistaken overdub layer? >* Set Start (at the moment this command is received, re-defines the >starting point for all loops) > (The "Play" command will then retrigger playback from this new > point in the loop) >* Slip Start Time Ahead "<" (Similar to "Set Start", but incrementally >nudges start time ahead for all loops) >* Slip Start Time Behind ">" (Similar to "Set Start", but incrementally >nudges start time behind for all loops) They give a lot of space to discussing StartPoint manipulation. These functions have long been available in the Echoplex and the Repeater. It is a practical and useful function, but the fact is most people don't care that much or get very excited about it. Useful, but not glamorous. Funny that they give it such a prominent place in the feature discussion, when far more important looping functions get little or no mention at all. >* Resync (Sometimes when playing with the "Reverse" commands it's >possible for the playback lines in the loops to get out of >synchronization. "Resync" will selectively change the loop's start times >to match the current mix. Subsequent "Play" commands will then retrigger >playback at this rhythmic relationship) Is this like a limited version of the ReAlign commands in the Echoplex? (hard to tell from the description.) >* Pitch (global pitch control, additive with the individual loop >pitch controls) Does this pitch change affect loop length? Usually people want two different things: - pitch without loop length change - pitch with loop length change (like tape speed control or old fashioned delay time control) Which does it do, or does it do both options? How easy is it to control? >There are also commands for editing the currently selected loop: >* Divide (divides the length of the loop by two, discarding the >second half) that's useful, assuming there are subsequent functions to operate on the divided cycles. What can you do with the divided cycles? >* Multiply (double the loop length, appending of copy of the original >loop) > This allows longer overdubs on top of the originally shorter loop. Is this a fluid real-time multiply like the Echoplex has, or the more limited approach to multiply found in the Repeater? >* Copy / Paste / Clear commands for operating on the selected loop This is tempting but vague. How is copy/paste applied in real time? How do you manipulate and control that as you perform? >Clock Settings > >* Sync (Internal or Host Sync) (normal default operation is >"Internal" which allows the musician to control the playback transport; >"Host Sync" will syncronize loop playback with the host's timeline) So I guess this would include midi clock through the host? How accurate is the sync? I would imagine this area is very difficult or impossible to do well for software running on top of a non-realtime OS, in a non-realtime hardware system architecure. Has anybody tested it seriously? How does sync between the 4 loop tracks work? Do you have the option to sync them or not? Can any of them set the main tempo? (sort of like using BrotherSync in the echoplex?) If so, what sort of flexibility is there for setting relative lengths of one loop track versus another? >* Tempo (once a loop has been recorded it's playback speed may be adjusted >with the "tempo" slider; the initial tempo is determined by the recorded >loop's length and the "beat length" of the loop which is assumed initially >to be four beats, but may be changed by the user in the edit text field) so I assume this means it changes the length/tempo without pitch change? So what about feedback control? They never mentioned that. Please don't tell me another looper has been created without feedback control! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 12:00:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IFtXW03101; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:55:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050518102734.1043bbb0@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:54:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review In-Reply-To: <1d9.3ccbc66f.2fbca4c0@aol.com> References: <1d9.3ccbc66f.2fbca4c0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8kyi0C.A.mv.UV2iCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:01 AM 5/18/2005, RobotFan@aol.com wrote: >If it makes you feel any better, I went through buyer's remorse with my >DD-20 too. I almost sold it on eBay. > >However, after a couple of weeks now, I'm glad I have it and won't part >with it. It takes some getting used to, no doubt there. > >Keep plugging away at it. Thanks Carl, trying my best here. I think part of my frustration comes from a bit of the "I want the same thing, only different" syndrome. I'm used to working with the SOS in products like the Line 6 modelers, and admittedly the Roland does not have that particular model as one of its strengths. Rather, I'm trying to get used to setting an interval and then layering to those time constraints, as opposed to just pressing a switch at the end of a phrase and going into "play/overdub" mode. Douglas' tips on using ping-pong mode have helped quite a bit so far, but it's still rough going. I've had one or two tiny revelations over the past few days which have helped. First, I'm really used to working in BPM, as opposed to straight milliseconds, so overwriting all the memories with that time measurement has helped. Second, I made a little discovery using the optional FS-5U footswitch last night. There are three modes by which the external footswitch can operate, one of which is to duplicate the on/off functionality of the first built-in footswitch. For all other modes but this one -- i.e. tap tempo, memory selection -- the FS-5U (unlatching) is recommended. For external on/off control, Roland recommends instead the FS-5L (the latching version of the same footswitch). Being the mad-scientist-type I am, though, I tried using the unlatched FS-5U with the on/off mode, and it does indeed work. The advantage here is that the DD-20 only accepts input while your foot is on the pedal. Lift your foot, and it stops. So, you can play a sustained note or chord, then tap morse-code type rhythms into the delay, much like the trigger-gates used in a lot of electronica. Neat! Also, you can reverse the polarity of the pedal with the flick of a switch. Then, you can have everything you play fed into the delay (don't worry the normal on/off switch on the pedal still functions normally at the same time, so you could turn it off entirely). In that mode, the audio stream will be *interrupted* any time you press the pedal, so you can clip out little bits of silence as you record. I think I saw somebody else post something about creative uses for those external FS-5x pedals (ted maybe? couldn't find anything in the archives, grrrr), so perhaps they've done some more work with the external footswitches than just my little explorations... --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 13:02:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IGxcq15759; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 01:58:54 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [LD CD 3] slots open Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD, We are fixing contributors for LD CD Vol.3 now and I sorted it on 15th May. Then 2 slot is open now. If someone interest for join us, please mail me by off list. Basic plan is below (it little changed from when I post it on 25th April to LD): 1 CD, 17 - 19 artists. Song length is about 4min maximum per each. CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. CD cover is 4pages booklet. Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list subscribers only. Song deadline is 31st July 2005. About cost, Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal or international money order) and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. (I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), $125 is includes shipping cost for world wide.and if I am in a budget, I will want to send further much CDs.) If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per each(not includes shipping cost). Regards p.s. I got long interview from one of the biggest webzine, "All About" http://allabout.co.jp/entertainment/technopop/closeup/CU20050509A/ (Written by Japanese. sorry.) p.s.p.s. I will play live gig with Rick Walker in this evening in Kobe,Japan! Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 13:23:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IHJLm18472; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:18:41 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20050517234628.04aee0b8@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <428B78F1.8080804@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> <63653C58-8496-4A15-856C-6589717CD85C@boysen.se> <6.1.2.0.2.20050517234628.04aee0b8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6NH96D.A.WfE.zj3iCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > How accurate is the sync? I would imagine this area is very difficult > or impossible to do well for software running on top of a non-realtime > OS, in a non-realtime hardware system architecure. Has anybody tested > it seriously? This isn't related to AULooper per-se, but I've seen this "non-realtime OS" issue come up up a few times, and I would like understand what people perceive the problem to be. There are no realtime OS's in widespread use, at least not by musicians. Yet there are a rather large number of PC/Mac users that seem to be accomplishing various forms of MIDI/audio sync acceptably. Yes, there is latency. Yes, there there will be a subtle quantization in the processing of MIDI events. No one argues that dedicated hardware can do a better job at this, the question is whether software can do it well enough. Regarding sync among plugins running within the same host application, it is relatively easy to maintain sync among them since they are all ultimately fed from the same clock managed by the host, and they all generally do their MIDI processing during the same audio interrupt. Having the host be a slave to an external MIDI clock is admittedly harder but it has been done many times. I think it can be fairly said that you will have more more detectable sync problems if you try to run a piece of software as a sync slave in a predominantly hardware rig, than you will in a predominantly software rig where the computer is the sync master. I'm sure there are those that can hear the difference between a "jittery" clock generated by a non-realtime OS and a "rock solid" clock generated by hardware. But I can't help but be reminded of audiophiles that can hear "dramatic differences" between brands of speaker cable. Is this a problem that most software-based musicians can actually detect? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 13:33:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IHULt20404; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:30:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:30:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=V07i+GKk09LYkMmh8hHs8EYevwcVkO/f4w8cuAYN8KZTzBOzSb3uISSKApJ49jcpy+8SgdffZcK7CVGwjG9uiY6E6FJvmd3yOl6NgrhoUzsbkcQE0jhnV1BngaT3Xth7ZzAs9xhDpo8/1DOPro0bsnKA1odsDLhi2C/Xr3CfTeA= ; Message-ID: <20050518172840.96293.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: EDP outside the US? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys i was offering mine for 800.-eur. for quite a while to all europenas and ended up selling it for 750.-eur. with loop IV but nobody showed any interest! Luis --- Guy Joyce wrote: > Travis > > Yes, I've had the bank-breaking experience of buying > two EDPs from a UK retailer. > > The list price was something like (wait for it) > $1,600 EACH ! (i.e. about £900 GBP), although I > managed to get mine for the (ahem) 'knockdown' price > of about $1,350. Yes, I realise this is > double the price charged in the US, but I really > needed these things and I calculated that the > customs and shipping charges if I'd ordered these > things direct from the US would have been almost > as great, plus no customer support if they break. > > This ridiculous expense was made all the more > frustrating when, whilst waiting for the order to > arrive I noticed in the manual download that these > units have 'made in the UK' stamped on the back > !!! > > Does this mean EDPs are manufactured in the UK, then > exported, then re-imported ??! No wonder > they're expensive ! I bet they only cost about $300 > to make. The world's gone crazy ! > > Anyway, despite the expense I can now make lovely > stereo loops, which are well worth every penny > of the ridiculous price tag. > > Hoo-ray for Matthias Grob, Kim Flint, etc ! > > Regards > Guy Joyce > aka XISTH (nothing to do with Star Wars BTW) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 13:47:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IHi5H22236; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:45:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP outside the US? X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <20050518122828.56206.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050518122828.56206.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guy, > I calculated that the customs and shipping charges if I'd ordered these things > direct from the US would have been almost as great, plus no customer support if they break. > FWIW, I bought an Echoplex for $950 from the US in February. Even with shipping to Denmark plus 25% Danish VAT it cost me total about £650. And that's with a 2 year guarantee. But you're right, it's frustrating that these things are built in Britain yet are virtually impossible to obtain anywhere in Europe. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 14:15:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IIDbp28192; Wed, 18 May 2005 14:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1116439569!15460259!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A050@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: surround looping/flanging Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:02:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55BD3.D02A5730" Resent-Message-ID: <7brbCC.A.h2G.jW4iCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55BD3.D02A5730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> they would both be running on external midi clock, coming from a korg electribe. I'm wondering if MIDI sync is accurate enough. What's unusual about this application is that the sync'd loopers contain different levels of the same signal rather than the more common case of containing different signals. So, unless you have close to sample-level sync you may hear subtle artifacts similar to flanging. This will be affected to some degree by MIDI latency, how well the Repeaters deal with MIDI clock jitter and how often the time stretch kicks in to compensate for drift.<< jeff, you're right of course. I have no idea how accurately either of my repeaters will upconvert the snail's-pace midi clock to drive it's own master clock, & there's bound to be a discrepancy, possibly even a floating one. I guess I could get some idea by running the one repeater I have in london against a sampler.... how this will compare (in mS) with the time difference amongst the speakers is the interesting bit- if they run closely enough to sync, then I'd expect to hear the repeater-drift contributing "positional information" of it's own. like when you have two tape decks playing copies of the same thing.... this is how flanging was invented.... & if two versions of the same signal end up being mixed (as they surely would in a system like this) then proper real gut-wrenching flanging would be heard. it'd be worth rigging two PA systems just to stand in the middle of that with some guitar & moog loops. I love that sound, & often recreate it using either tape-decks or sf/sony-vegas, my pc-based editor of choice. (copy & paste-as-new-track the chunk of audio you're interested in, then use the mix/pan envelopes to introduce it into your mix. then right-click on it & adjust the *duration* of the copy by tiny amounts. it's useful to locate a point part way into the copy & the same point in the source file that you can use as a reference. then you can decide where the flanging "peaks" by advancing or retarding the position of the copy relative to the master track. also, if you pan the original & the copy left & right, you'll get sea-sick..... ) or I could just hack the repeaters open & run them both off the master crystal in one of them. but having the sync be a bit vague seems more interesting. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>> they would both be running on external midi = clock, coming from a korg electribe.

I'm wondering if MIDI sync is accurate enough.  What= 's unusual about
this application is that the sync'd loopers contain diff= erent levels
of the same signal rather than the more common case of c= ontaining
different signals.  So, unless you have close to sa= mple-level sync you
may hear subtle artifacts similar to flanging.  Thi= s will be affected
to some degree by MIDI latency, how well the Repeaters d= eal with MIDI
clock jitter and how often the time stretch kicks in to = compensate for drift.<<

jeff, you're right of course. I have no idea how accurate= ly either of my repeaters will upconvert the snail's-pace midi clock to dri= ve it's own master clock, & there's bound to be a discrepancy, possibly= even a floating one. I guess I could get some idea by running the one repe= ater I have in london against a sampler....

how this will compare (in mS) with the time difference am= ongst the speakers is the interesting bit- if they run closely enough to sy= nc, then I'd expect to hear the repeater-drift contributing "positiona= l information" of it's own. like when you have two tape decks playing = copies of the same thing.... this is how flanging was invented.... & if= two versions of the same signal end up being mixed (as they surely would i= n a system like this) then proper real gut-wrenching flanging would be hear= d.

it'd be worth rigging two PA systems just to stand in the= middle of that with some guitar & moog loops.

I love that sound, & often recreate it using either t= ape-decks or sf/sony-vegas, my pc-based editor of choice.

(copy & paste-as-new-track the chunk of audio you're = interested in, then use the mix/pan envelopes to introduce it into your mix= . then right-click on it & adjust the *duration* of the copy by tiny am= ounts. it's useful to locate a point part way into the copy & the same = point in the source file that you can use as a reference. then you can deci= de where the flanging "peaks" by advancing or retarding the posit= ion of the copy relative to the master track. also, if you pan the original= & the copy left & right, you'll get sea-sick..... )

or I could just hack the repeaters open & run them bo= th off the master crystal in one of them. but having the sync be a bit vagu= e seems more interesting.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C55BD3.D02A5730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 14:56:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IIs6G00329; Wed, 18 May 2005 14:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:54:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:58:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Jack 0.61 not working under TIGER From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3199291135_4294966712" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3199291135_4294966712 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Hi Everyone,=20 >=20 > If anyone is using JACK 0.61 and contemplating upgrading to OSX 10.4 (TIG= ER) > they will need to know that JACK is not compatible with TIGER yet. >=20 > I've copied the message from the JACK messageboard below. >=20 > Best wishes >=20 > Jeremy >=20 > http://www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: St=E9phane Letz > Date: Tue=A0May=A017,=A02005=A0 10:22 am > Subject: Re: [jackosx] OSX 10.4.0 Tiger with Jack sletz2004 > Offline=20 > Send Email=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Le 17 mai 05, =E0 11:17, j a =E9crit : >=20 >> > Being of a cautious disposition when it comes to computer operating >> > sytems, >> > I'd like to check that JACK 0.61 will be compatible before I upgrade >> > to 10.4=A0 >> > which I'm planning to do by default when I get a new computer later >> > in the >> > summer. >> > >> > I'm using SooperLooper so need Jack as host. >> > >> > Best wishes >> > >> > Jeremy >> > >> > >=20 > Jack 0.61 does *not* run on Tiger. I'm working on it.... >=20 > Stephane >=20 --B_3199291135_4294966712 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Jack 0.61 not working under TIGER
Hi Everyone,

If anyone is using JACK 0.61 and contemplating upgrading to OSX 10.4 (TIGER= ) they will need to know that JACK is not compatible with TIGER yet.

I've copied the message from the JACK messageboard below.

Best wishes

Jeremy

http://www.masse.org.uk






From: Stéphane Letz <letz@...>
Date: Tue=A0May=A017,=A02005=A0 10:22 am
Subject: Re: [jackosx] OSX 10.4.0 Tiger with Jack     s= letz2004
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Le 17 mai 05, à 11:17, j a écrit :

> Being of a cautious disposition when it comes to computer operating > sytems,
> I'd like to check that JACK 0.61 will be compatible before I upgrade > to 10.4=A0
> which I'm planning to do by default when I get a new computer later > in the
> summer.
>
> I'm using SooperLooper so need Jack as host.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>

Jack 0.61 does *not* run on Tiger. I'm working on it....

Stephane


 --B_3199291135_4294966712-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 14:57:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IItJM00527; Wed, 18 May 2005 14:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1EA3FF7B-0DC9-4B22-95E6-FC0620A835FF@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: AULooper question Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:54:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Has someone succeeded in getting the combo AULab + AULooper to remember the external midi mappings? Over here they are gone each time I boot the project ;-( Except for that problem I kind of like AU looper. I was mapping one foot pedal to jump between "the active loop" and another pedal for "record", just to check it out. A cool thing IMHO is that if the loop is one bar and you record in "replace mode" for let's say five bars, then all those five bars will start to play back when you stop recording. And since the loop is one bar, when the playback reaches bar five of your latest recording that fifth bar will repeat as part of the five bar loop. In a similar way you can keep on recording for ages in "overdub mode" and hear nothing but the old loop until you stop recording - then everything you have played since starting overdub recording will play back as overdubbed layers of the same loop. I really like that as a performance trick. You can think about a melodic structure and record lines that will sound good together and they will not be heard together until you kick that record button a second time. That's plenty of fun! Like the opposite of that nice trick you can do on a Repeater: overdubbing En Masse and suddenly take it all away by hitting "undo". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 15:43:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IJfBf08587; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [chris_lee43@hotmail.com] X-Sender: chris_lee43@hotmail.com From: "Chris Lee" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:40:31 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2005 19:40:32.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[73F12580:01C55BE1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


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Want to get more out of e-mail? Then get Outlook Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 16:00:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IJwnm11366; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:58:11 EDT Subject: Re: OT: music biz article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.5f425b72.2fbcf853_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <5y3H6B.A.mwC.f55iCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c8.5f425b72.2fbcf853_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/18/05 10:55:13 AM, mp@mpeters.de writes: > I feel quite distant from the Aka pygmies > culturally but their singing moves me to tears. > i was given a copy of "VOICES OF THE WORLD" a 2 cd set of music, singing, chanting from all over the globe.....absolutly mind blowing.....many of the pieces sound like some crazy looper(s) who live in NEW YORK CITY.....:).....the total joy in this music was very apperant.....i would "JAM" with each and everyone of these folk!.....mic --part1_c8.5f425b72.2fbcf853_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/18/05 10:55:13 AM, mp@mpeters.de writes:


I feel quite distant=20= from the Aka pygmies
culturally but their singing moves me to tears.


i was given a copy of "VOICES OF THE WORLD" a 2 cd set of music, singing, ch= anting from all over the globe.....absolutly mind blowing.....many of the pi= eces sound like some crazy looper(s) who live in NEW YORK CITY.....:).....th= e total joy in this music was very apperant.....i would "JAM" with each and=20= everyone of these folk!.....mic --part1_c8.5f425b72.2fbcf853_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 16:09:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IK6kV14086; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:06:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:06:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.3bd156ff.2fbcfa20@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:05:52 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=A0=20[LD=20CD=203]=20slots=20open?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1de.3bd156ff.2fbcfa20_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1de.3bd156ff.2fbcfa20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/18/05 12:59:24 PM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes: > p.s. > I=A0 got long interview from one of the biggest webzine, "All About" > http://allabout.co.jp/entertainment/technopop/closeup/CU20050509A/ > (Written by Japanese. sorry.) >=20 > p.s.p.s. > I will play live gig with Rick Walker=A0 in this evening in Kobe,Japan! >=20 >=20 >=20 sunao.....what great news!.....you and rick ''knock them=20 out!".....fantastic.....mic --part1_1de.3bd156ff.2fbcfa20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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p.s.
I=A0 got long interview from one of the biggest webzine, "All About"
http://allabout.co.jp/entertainment/technopop/closeup/CU20050509A/
(Written by Japanese. sorry.)

p.s.p.s.
I will play live gig with Rick Walker=A0 in this evening in Kobe,Japan!




sunao.....what great news!.....you and rick ''knock them out!".....fantastic= .....mic --part1_1de.3bd156ff.2fbcfa20_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 17:48:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4ILfGo27204; Wed, 18 May 2005 17:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050517234628.04aee0b8@loopers-delight.com> References: <000001c558cd$0499dea0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <78459E7E-C5F4-49D4-A1F4-70B1FA0BFEDD@boysen.se> <000f01c55a06$59cdf2a0$16aba344@hppav> <63653C58-8496-4A15-856C-6589717CD85C@boysen.se> <6.1.2.0.2.20050517234628.04aee0b8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Free Looper coming with Tiger! Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:40:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 18, 2005, at 9:49, Kim Flint wrote: > Hi Per- > > At 04:03 AM 5/16/2005, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I've been reading and drooling here for >> the last five minutes. Indeed very nice! >> > > So I'm curious, can you tell me what about the feature set makes > you drool? > > For me it didn't seem very remarkable or innovative from the readme > file, so I'm wondering what you saw that I missed. I don't have a > mac that can run tiger to try this with at this time, so maybe you > or others can help answer some of my questions below? Hi Kim, Cool that you joined this thread, you die-hard hardware fan! ;-) You have posted a lot of good questions for the AULooper. I've been playing around a little with it today and will try to answer some. Below have deleted questions on functions I have not tried out yet, to keep the text as short as possible. "Drooling...." Well, the things I like with software is the light weight (compared to a fat rack), the option to rewire the rig by different saved pre-sets (playing with different setups armed with different effects on send/return loops or inserted on the channels . > By this time, after so many years of discussion about Record-to- > Overdub, any looper that fails to implement this feature from the > start is really exhibiting some astonishing ignorance about the > looper universe. I hope they didn't miss this! No, it doesn't do that. I agree that's a loss. Even when you are overdubbing, you don't hear all the overdubbed layers until you stop overdubbing. >> Currently, AULooper supports up to four stereo loops. >> > > As always, the important questions with multi-track loopers is, how > intuitive is the user interface for live control? As often with computer software, that is partly up to the user to configure. I think the AULooper does provide enough powerful parameters for a creative user. But it it seems that the mapping of external MIDI controllers to these parameters doesn't work as intended. For example, the AULooper readme file says you can command- click on a parameter to map it to a sent MIDI control message. This is only true for AULab (the AU host application), not for the AULooper (the AU plug-in). A bit of a bummer, yes. > Creating a multi-track looper is very easy. Creating a multi-track > looper user interface is very, very, very difficult. Nobody has > done it well yet. How did they do here? Some parameters are found both on a global level and on a loop part level. Like "pitch". You can transpose the complete looper two octaves up/down. You can also transpose each of the four loops one octave up/down. All parameters are addressable independently so you can (in theory, right now it doesn't remember what you teach it ;-) create many different "looping rigs" with just the AULab and the AULooper. >> At any given time, one of the four loops will be selected. Any of >> the four loops may be selected at any time by clicking on the loop >> itself. >> > > So you can't select more than one loop to control at a time? (i.e., > pitch shift 1 and 4 but leave 2 and 3 alone, etc). Oh yes, you can! > I assume they all play simultaneously? Noop. Pitch can be targeted individually for each loop. The functions that is only applied to the "selected loop" are those that are not individually addressable. That was a really good question, because this makes it usable for easy live looping though chord changes by sending four midi cc's that pitch the loopers (even through such chord changes, one loop can still be kept one octave lower for bass). That will of course change the timing of the loops, so you have to prepare for it musically when creating the loops. >> * Undo (undo/redo for the last edit or record operation) >> (undoable operations are: record, copy, paste, clear, divide, >> and multiply) >> > > is it multiple undo? Can it undo a mistake button press, or just a > mistaken overdub layer? As far as I have found out yet I think you can undo everything - but only one step back. If you clear a track and get cold feet because it just sounds bad, you can kick the undo and get the track (loop) back at once. Kick it again and it's gone, etc. (Undo-Redo-Undo-Redo....). You can actually use that musically in a looping performance! But it has nothing that can stand up to the EDP's unlimited (except for RAM) chain of undo's (not to mention loop windowing!) >> * Set Start (at the moment this command is received, re-defines the >> starting point for all loops) >> (The "Play" command will then retrigger playback from this >> new point in the loop) >> * Slip Start Time Ahead "<" (Similar to "Set Start", but >> incrementally nudges start time ahead for all loops) >> * Slip Start Time Behind ">" (Similar to "Set Start", but >> incrementally nudges start time behind for all loops) >> > > They give a lot of space to discussing StartPoint manipulation. > These functions have long been available in the Echoplex and the > Repeater. It is a practical and useful function, but the fact is > most people don't care that much or get very excited about it. > Useful, but not glamorous. I guess I'm just another guy that doesn't care because I like to play it right on the spot or not play it at all if it's too difficult. Noodling with start points and stuff is what I use Logic or Numerology for. But maybe others can find something creative to do with it. Hmmm... well with the Repeater I sometimes recorded mono on two chained tracks. Then I had a MIDI foot pedal to split them up, pan them out left/right and time shift one track an eight note. Could make for some broad stereo pads. That's the only trick I have been doing with start points in real-time > Funny that they give it such a prominent place in the feature > discussion, when far more important looping functions get little or > no mention at all. Yes. This plug-in could be a lot better if the developers had been working together with an active looper musician. No doubt! >> * Resync (Sometimes when playing with the "Reverse" commands it's >> possible for the playback lines in the loops to get out of >> synchronization. "Resync" will selectively change the loop's >> start times to match the current mix. Subsequent "Play" commands >> will then retrigger playback at this rhythmic relationship) >> > > Is this like a limited version of the ReAlign commands in the > Echoplex? (hard to tell from the description.) Correct! I tried it today and it's about the same as the EDP's ReAlign. >> * Pitch (global pitch control, additive with the individual loop >> pitch controls) >> > > Does this pitch change affect loop length? Yes. Just like a tape delay. It seams as no one has yet had the guts to take a shot at time-stretching/pitch-shifting in software. Maybe it's too processor demanding. One of the coolest qualities of the Repeater is that it fails to do that in time, giving a musically peasant glissando/accelerando to the changes. Maybe software for computer can't be that "squarish"? I don't know. But I like the Repeater's way of not getting there in time but catching up a bit late - happy as ever (like R2D2). > Which does it do, or does it do both options? How easy is it to > control? It's very easy to control. Continuous MIDI control; you can pitch it like a whammy pedal or use kick buttons with a fixed value for a pre- defined pitch. But it's a bit flaky, sound-wise, I found: I had assigned one pedal to the "play" control to step on it to create stuttering effects. When I did this with one loop track pitched down one octave (for bass) this pitched-down track caused ugly audio artifacts. Definitely bad and something to watch out for (actually the first red mark in my book). >> There are also commands for editing the currently selected loop: >> * Divide (divides the length of the loop by two, discarding the >> second half) >> > > that's useful, assuming there are subsequent functions to operate > on the divided cycles. What can you do with the divided cycles? Just the same as you can do with a loop track. When you "divide" you simply cut off the last half and throw it away (you might "undo" it of course). >> * Multiply (double the loop length, appending of copy of the original >> loop) >> This allows longer overdubs on top of the originally shorter >> loop. >> > > Is this a fluid real-time multiply like the Echoplex has, or the > more limited approach to multiply found in the Repeater? It's limited as in the Repeater. With that I mean that you have to first make a decision of how many times you want to multiply and then push equally many times. Then you can start playing. I hate that! The multiply implementation I like most is the EDP way to simply kick multiply once, play the thing as it should be and then close the multiplied loop by kicking it a second time. I don't think I will ever use AULopper's multiply function for anything delicate. Same goes for the Repeater, if you ask me. > >> Clock Settings >> >> * Sync (Internal or Host Sync) (normal default operation is >> "Internal" which allows the musician to control the playback >> transport; "Host Sync" will syncronize loop playback with the >> host's timeline) >> > > So I guess this would include midi clock through the host? Yes, I guess so too. I have not researched that much because I'm more interested in using this AULab/AULooper as the master on gigs when I can't bring my Echoplex (setting the tempo by creating the first loop). > How accurate is the sync? I would imagine this area is very > difficult or impossible to do well for software running on top of a > non-realtime OS, in a non-realtime hardware system architecure. Has > anybody tested it seriously? For my application (running it as master) it's perfect. This means using other AU plug-ins with beat synced functions as filters etc (like PSP84 and many Ohmforce plug-ins). > How does sync between the 4 loop tracks work? Do you have the > option to sync them or not? Can any of them set the main tempo? > (sort of like using BrotherSync in the echoplex?) If so, what sort > of flexibility is there for setting relative lengths of one loop > track versus another? Not much flexibility, I would say. But some people like that, because it keeps you safe from odd meters. You can manipulate the length of each loop in two ways; by multiply or by divide. To me this makes AULooper behave similar to the Repeater. >> * Tempo (once a loop has been recorded it's playback speed may be >> adjusted with the "tempo" slider; the initial tempo is determined >> by the recorded loop's length and the "beat length" of the loop >> which is assumed initially to be four beats, but may be changed by >> the user in the edit text field) >> > > so I assume this means it changes the length/tempo without pitch > change? Yes, as said above. > So what about feedback control? They never mentioned that. Please > don't tell me another looper has been created without feedback > control! I don't know, really! I was looking for a feedback control all afternoon. Will keep looking tomorrow again. There are some two or three I suspect to find it at. Just didn't have time to go through it all. Man, I wish you had a Tiger Mac available over there, so you could check out this software and post a review. Your questions are very good because you have experience and a healthy critical mind. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 17:53:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IKgOj18217; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:42:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:42:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: don@donmak.com From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-20 review Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:40:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVbruOMfbBRCZNXTP2qA3o6FzUfUQAOtzJQ In-Reply-To: <000001c55bae$59e145e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1116449222.8075@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well let's get a move on! I wanna see this review online bro. I want to link to it from my music blog (www.ilivemusic.com/) Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! -dm -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To All Who Requested the Review- I am flattered that so many of you would wish to read this. I received a quick response from Kim Flint, and so it makes more sense to nip and tuck the document and submit it to the web page than to spend the time sending it to all of you individually. If all goes well on my end, I'll have it re-submitted to KF later today, and maybe it'll be web-ready by tomorrow. Be patient, my looplings, my looplets, my loopushkams. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. 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Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 18:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4IMldg05147; Wed, 18 May 2005 18:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:43:34 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: OT: synth mags for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <428BC516.2070902@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <1ucPC.A.dPB.hX8iCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com best offer + shipping on any or all. 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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/05 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 18 19:57:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4INtUX14825; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 01:00:37 +0100 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: jeremy To: , Chris Lee Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3199309238_75623" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. 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 --B_3199309238_75623-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 01:40:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4J5cL026902; Thu, 19 May 2005 01:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 01:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1116449222.8075@mx254a.mysite4now.com> References: <1116449222.8075@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 00:35:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Motif/Reason/Live/Mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a bit off topic, but I'm just looking for some technical help. Does anyone on the list use a Motif synth, Reason (and/or Live), and a Mac (OS X)? If so, I could use a little bit of technical support, if you could email me privately. I won't clutter up the list with the details. Thanks in advance, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 02:33:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4J6Ugo03079; Thu, 19 May 2005 02:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:30:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.108.52] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <428A4A11.5080206@toadmail.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Baka Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:30:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2005 06:30:14.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[374FD8A0:01C55C3C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louis Sarno spent lot of time living with and recording Pygmies. His recordings are available.Eno helped finance him. He wrote very interesting book as well/The Leader of great Zap Mama l ived among the Pygmi ad learned teir vocal techniques which are unusual From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 02:41:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4J6ci704295; Thu, 19 May 2005 02:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.108.52] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: music biz article Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:38:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2005 06:38:13.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[54DD5900:01C55C3D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It never occured to me ,but I can her a similarity between pygmi nd Ligetti.The Pygmies have this thing abput how all good thigs come from the forest so tahey sing to the forest to keep it happy. It's called Molimo,if I have it right.Colin Turnbull also did some good field recoordings. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 03:52:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4J7n5P13467; Thu, 19 May 2005 03:49:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 03:49:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:46:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: surround looping In-Reply-To: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jeff says;- > But to my knowledge, everyone uses brother >sync for stereo looping, I'm guessing for this reason. That's right, MIDI sync in Loop4 is pretty good though. Not sample accurate like brother-sync, but phase accurate most of the time. My take on 5.1 surround. 1) not saying it doesn't "sound good" 2) a stereo image works best with the speakers at 60 degrees apart, or less, which is why serious surround sound systems have 8 speakers (6 at absolute min). 5.1 is not enough speakers to do "surround stereo" 3) a stereo system of the same cost will sound better than 5.1 4) the term "sub woofer" has changed it's meaning in recent years, the term originally referred to a speaker to handle just the very low frequencies that a regular speaker wouldn't produce, hence the perception that it just added a bit of depth, and that it didn't matter where the sub was placed. The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of the frequency range ....20,000/10 = 2000Hz , which makes it a regular "woofer". 6) in a gig situation there's no way to get the whole of an audience into the sweet spot, and many audience members will be close to just one speaker. So when mixing a band on a stereo pa I put them in mono anyway :-( 7) stereo FX (like polyechoes) can sound pretty good, so more speakers could really add something. 8) 5.1 is designed for "making the explosions behind you", while keeping the main attention on the screen. It's not designed for spatial music. When Pink Floyd were using quadrophonics (1967), they had 2 sets of pa speakers, a main pa, which was stereo(maybe mono, I don't know) and a second quadrophonic pa (of smaller wattage) for effects. Mostly the sound came from the main pa, but the quad was used just to highlight certain instruments at various times. I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's anything special in the 5.1 format. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 04:44:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4J8gA820752; Thu, 19 May 2005 04:42:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 04:42:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c55c4e$87686f20$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: New Digitech Jamman Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:41:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C55C5F.4AD4B670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C55C5F.4AD4B670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys,=20 in these times there a lot of new loop-machine. I don't know if anyone know the new Jamman, so this is the link: http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/DigiTechJamManLooper.html It looks like the DD-20, but brings some of the features of the repeater = (99 loops storage, CFC up to..... 2 GB...but...it has the same DD-20 or = RC20XL limitations, bacause, differently from the original Jamman rack = unit, it' mono and no midi compatible ! It costs $299, a good price for all the looper in the euro area. I'm not interested in this because of the mono and midi limitations..I = prefer the DD-20 and the repeater I own. Maybe, I will be interesting in = buying the new Repeater MKII, if they fixed that burbling sound..=20 What's your opinion ? Fabio eterogeneo http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C55C5F.4AD4B670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,
in these times there a = lot of new=20 loop-machine.
I don't know if anyone = know the new=20 Jamman, so this is the link:
http:= //www.stevesmusiccenter.com/DigiTechJamManLooper.html
 
It looks like the = DD-20,=20 but brings some of the features of the repeater (99 loops storage, = CFC up=20 to..... 2 GB...but...it has the same DD-20 or RC20XL limitations,=20 bacause, differently from the original Jamman rack unit, it' = mono and=20 no midi compatible !
It costs $299, a good = price for all=20 the looper in the euro area.
 
I'm not interested in = this because=20 of the mono and midi limitations..I prefer the DD-20 and the repeater I = own.=20 Maybe, I will be = interesting in=20 buying the new Repeater MKII, if they fixed that burbling sound..=20
What's your opinion = ?
Fabio
 
eterogeneo
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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C55C5F.4AD4B670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 08:40:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JCdAZ01487; Thu, 19 May 2005 08:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:40:04 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review To: Mech , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007a01c55c6f$f75e3a00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050518102734.1043bbb0@m3ch.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've had one or two tiny revelations over the past few days which have > helped. First, I'm really used to working in BPM, as opposed to straight > milliseconds, so overwriting all the memories with that time measurement > has helped. I posted a bunch of delay formulas a few weeks back, including transforming bpm to ms values. It's part of another big document I'm putting together on, uh, delay formulas and how to use them. > Second, I made a little discovery using the optional FS-5U footswitch last > night. [snip] I tried using the unlatched > FS-5U with the on/off mode, and it does indeed work. The advantage here is > that the DD-20 only accepts input while your foot is on the pedal. Lift > your foot, and it stops. So, you can play a sustained note or chord, then > tap morse-code type rhythms into the delay, much like the trigger-gates > used in a lot of electronica. Neat! > > Also, you can reverse the polarity of the pedal with the flick of a > switch. Then, you can have everything you play fed into the delay (don't > worry the normal on/off switch on the pedal still functions normally at the > same time, so you could turn it off entirely). In that mode, the audio > stream will be *interrupted* any time you press the pedal, so you can clip > out little bits of silence as you record. This is really cool! I wish I had known this before I submitted the DD-20 review to the Kimster. I checked the archives a bit before finishing up my doc, and I saw nothing on this topic either. Maybe you can add it after mine. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 09:06:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JD0me07381; Thu, 19 May 2005 09:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: don@donmak.com From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-20 review Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:00:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <007a01c55c6f$f75e3a00$9715be18@oemcomputer> Thread-Index: AcVccHgKsuoesso5SM+njB6LIYv08gAAdLpw Message-ID: <1116507947.5447@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you ever need a place to post stuff like this, let me know, I'll be happy to post it on www.iLiveMusic.com. Additionally, if anyone would like to be a music gear blogger on a fairly popular (and getting more popular) music gear blog, then let me know offline. I could use a couple more bloggers. Thanks, Don Mak -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:40 AM To: Mech; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 review > I've had one or two tiny revelations over the past few days which have > helped. First, I'm really used to working in BPM, as opposed to straight > milliseconds, so overwriting all the memories with that time measurement > has helped. I posted a bunch of delay formulas a few weeks back, including transforming bpm to ms values. It's part of another big document I'm putting together on, uh, delay formulas and how to use them. > Second, I made a little discovery using the optional FS-5U footswitch last > night. [snip] I tried using the unlatched > FS-5U with the on/off mode, and it does indeed work. The advantage here is > that the DD-20 only accepts input while your foot is on the pedal. Lift > your foot, and it stops. So, you can play a sustained note or chord, then > tap morse-code type rhythms into the delay, much like the trigger-gates > used in a lot of electronica. Neat! > > Also, you can reverse the polarity of the pedal with the flick of a > switch. Then, you can have everything you play fed into the delay (don't > worry the normal on/off switch on the pedal still functions normally at the > same time, so you could turn it off entirely). In that mode, the audio > stream will be *interrupted* any time you press the pedal, so you can clip > out little bits of silence as you record. This is really cool! I wish I had known this before I submitted the DD-20 review to the Kimster. I checked the archives a bit before finishing up my doc, and I saw nothing on this topic either. Maybe you can add it after mine. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 15:48:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JJijf11873; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com Message-ID: <1e0.3ca049ba.2fbe466c@wmconnect.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:43:40 EDT Subject: Akai Headrush Questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.3ca049ba.2fbe466c_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e0.3ca049ba.2fbe466c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Just got an allegedly new Headrush from Musician's Friend and it's a blem: they quickly corrected the mistake monetarily (thank you MF) but I'm not sure if it's working correctly. It says to tap the right button to begin recording and to tap it again to end recording, which doesn't work. The allegedly recorded part does not begin to loop. The only way I can get a loop to record and then loop is if I tap the right button, play the riff and then tap the left button, bypassing tapping the right button the recommended second time. The manual is terse at best (there's got to be a middle ground between 4 and 200 pages like my last guitar toy had....). And is there a way to erase everything and start like new - something like a reset button? Any advice is appreciated!! The pedal looks like a keeper and I'd like to figure out how to work the darn thing. Mike --part1_1e0.3ca049ba.2fbe466c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Just got an allegedly new Headrush from Musician's Friend and it's a ble= m: they quickly corrected the mistake monetarily (thank you MF) but I'm not=20= sure if it's working correctly.

It says to tap the right button to begin recording and to tap it again t= o end recording, which doesn't work. The allegedly recorded part does not be= gin to loop.

The only way I can get a loop to record and then loop is if I tap the ri= ght button, play the riff and then tap the left button, bypassing tapping th= e right button the recommended second time.

The manual is terse at best (there's got to be a middle ground between 4= and 200 pages like my last guitar toy had....).

And is there a way to erase everything and start like new - something li= ke a reset button?

Any advice is appreciated!! The pedal looks like a keeper and I'd like t= o figure out how to work the darn thing.


Mike --part1_1e0.3ca049ba.2fbe466c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 16:08:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JK5Mf17392; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55CAD.D4B4FEBA" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Akai Headrush Questions Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:03:31 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Akai Headrush Questions Thread-Index: AcVcqyMB7xvoCTprR8u1WsruzhYdsgAAH27Q From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55CAD.D4B4FEBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know why it tells you to tap the right button twice, must be an = error in the E2 manual. Pressing it twice (without pressing the left = button) should begin the recording phase over. After you press the left = button, pressing the right one will put into overdub mode (which is = infinite). Double clicking the right button after you have overdubbed, = will erase everything except the original recording. To start all over = you have to click the left button to "stop" the playback, then you can = start recording with the right button again. I had tons of fun with my = Headrush, and I think it is a great looper to get started on, every = simple interface. But it does have some serious limitations. I know = the manual isn't much help, but for looping purposes (not all the delay = stuff), there really isn't much to it. =20 =20 BTW ....What made it a "blem?" =20 Brian -----Original Message----- From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com [mailto:Needfreed@wmconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Akai Headrush Questions Hi,=20 Just got an allegedly new Headrush from Musician's Friend and it's a = blem: they quickly corrected the mistake monetarily (thank you MF) but = I'm not sure if it's working correctly.=20 It says to tap the right button to begin recording and to tap it again = to end recording, which doesn't work. The allegedly recorded part does = not begin to loop.=20 The only way I can get a loop to record and then loop is if I tap the = right button, play the riff and then tap the left button, bypassing = tapping the right button the recommended second time.=20 The manual is terse at best (there's got to be a middle ground between 4 = and 200 pages like my last guitar toy had....).=20 And is there a way to erase everything and start like new - something = like a reset button?=20 Any advice is appreciated!! The pedal looks like a keeper and I'd like = to figure out how to work the darn thing.=20 Mike=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55CAD.D4B4FEBA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 don't know why it tells you to tap the right button twice, must be = an =20 error in the E2 manual.  Pressing it twice (without pressing the = left=20 button) should begin the recording phase over.  After you press the = left=20 button, pressing the right one will put into overdub mode (which is=20 infinite).  Double clicking the right button after you have = overdubbed,=20 will erase everything except the original recording.  To start = all=20 over you have to click the left button to "stop" the playback, then you = can=20 start recording with the right button again.  I had tons of fun = with my=20 Headrush, and I think it is a great looper to get started on, every = simple=20 interface.  But it does have some serious limitations.  I = know=20 the manual isn't much help, but for looping purposes (not all the delay = stuff),=20 there really isn't much to it. 
 
BTW=20 ....What made it a "blem?"
 
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: = Needfreed@wmconnect.com=20 [mailto:Needfreed@wmconnect.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, = 2005 3:44=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Akai=20 Headrush Questions

Hi,

Just got an allegedly new Headrush from = Musician's=20 Friend and it's a blem: they quickly corrected the mistake monetarily = (thank=20 you MF) but I'm not sure if it's working correctly.

It says to = tap the=20 right button to begin recording and to tap it again to end recording, = which=20 doesn't work. The allegedly recorded part does not begin to loop. =

The=20 only way I can get a loop to record and then loop is if I tap the = right=20 button, play the riff and then tap the left button, bypassing tapping = the=20 right button the recommended second time.

The manual is terse = at best=20 (there's got to be a middle ground between 4 and 200 pages like my = last guitar=20 toy had....).

And is there a way to erase everything and start = like=20 new - something like a reset button?

Any advice is = appreciated!! The=20 pedal looks like a keeper and I'd like to figure out how to work the = darn=20 thing.


Mike
------_=_NextPart_001_01C55CAD.D4B4FEBA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 16:39:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JKa4e25204; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:36:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:36:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com Message-ID: <8c.274d4be3.2fbe5280@wmconnect.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:35:12 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8c.274d4be3.2fbe5280_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8c.274d4be3.2fbe5280_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/19/2005 3:08:38 PM Central Standard Time, Brian@porterresearch.com writes: >>>>>But it does have some serious limitations. I know the manual isn't much help, but for looping purposes (not all the delay stuff), there really isn't much to it. BTW ....What made it a "blem?"<<<<< I guess it was the error in the manual! ;) I went back and triple checked and the manual is indeed incorrect. Wouldn't you know it: for once I take the time to read the instructions and this happens.... I could tell it had been used because the unit wasn't in "pristine" dust and fingerprint free condition and the wall wart cord was rudely wrapped around the transformer. As an aside, the majority of MF blems I've purchased have been in virtually new condition; only one item was noticeably banged up. I remain on my "Eternal Quest For The Perfect Guitar Rig" so I'll impose further and ask you what are the limitations and is any looper better? Or will I just start some flame war about which is best....? ;) BTW, thanks very much for your quick and informative reply to my original questions! Mike --part1_8c.274d4be3.2fbe5280_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message=20= dated 5/19/2005 3:08:38 PM Central Standard Time, Brian@porterresearch.com w= rites:



>>>>>But it does have some serious limitations.  I k= now the manual isn't much help, but for looping purposes (not all the delay=20= stuff), there really isn't much to it.

BTW ....What made it a "blem?"<<<<<

I guess it was the error in the manual!   ;)  I went back= and triple checked and the manual is indeed incorrect. Wouldn't you know it= : for once I take the time to read the instructions and this happens....

I could tell it had been used because the unit wasn't in "pristine" dust= and fingerprint free condition and the wall wart cord was rudely wrapped ar= ound the transformer. As an aside, the majority of MF blems I've purchased h= ave been in virtually new condition; only one item was noticeably banged up.

I remain on my "Eternal Quest For The Perfect Guitar Rig" so I'll impose= further and ask you what are the limitations and is any looper better?

Or will I just start some flame war about which is best....?  ;)

BTW, thanks very much for your quick and informative reply to my origina= l questions!


Mike --part1_8c.274d4be3.2fbe5280_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 17:11:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JL9J000969; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:09:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55CB6.EAA5DC0E" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Akai Headrush Questions Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Akai Headrush Questions Thread-Index: AcVcslPj2o46g2t4RKuklnIqUhs6WAAAMq0w From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55CB6.EAA5DC0E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if you are looking for the "perfect" guitar rig, and you are = serious about looping, in particular, there are some better loopers out = there. The Headrush E1 (virtually exactly the same thing as the E2 = except the switch between functions is a different button) was my first = looper (I still own it, bit am thinking about selling it, since I got an = Echoplex Digital Pro). The Echoplex Digital Pro and the MKII Repeater = are considered the best looping devices available (by most). Each piece = of equipment has some limitation of some sort. I think if the Echoplex = had upgraded memory and storage capabilities, it would be the clear = winner, IMO. =20 As far as limitations of the Headrush....you only get 11.9 seconds of = recording capability with overdub.....and twice that if you just record = one take and play it back (no overdubs). The processing is 44.1khz, but = compared directly to say the Echoplex (which is supposedly slightly = lower than 44.1) the Echoplex is much better, less noise and more = headroom. One of the most important features it lacks is a feedback = control for the looper, feedback is always at 100%, so you can't really = "morph" the loops into something else, you can only build and build and = build then destroy it. It also lacks a progressive undo feature, if you = make a mistake in overdub mode, you either keep it or you have to erase = all layers you have created and go back to the original phrase you = recorded. It does not have the ability to record and switch between = multiple loops. You cannot change the loop length once you have = recorded the phrase (add more measures, or re-define the loop length), = you can't play/recorded in reverse. No MIDI capability. There are just = some of the features that are limiting as a looper. If you are like me, = it will make you addicted to looping, and act as a spring board to spend = some serious money on a more advanced real-time looper. =20 =20 In terms of which one is the best, as far as pedals go....check Loopers = Delight Web site and see the comparisons....each one seems to have = advantages and disadvantages, so it may depend on what your needs are, = as to which one is the best. Some will let you store loops, but many = are limited in this regard in a live setting as you actually have to = stop the loop to store it, then switch to the next one....so you may = have to pre-store loops for a show and save them in memorey. Also = Digitech is apparently coming out with a new looper that has some nice = features for $299, but the complete details are not here quite yet. I = would say the Headrush is one of the least advanced loopers out there = right now (and one of the least expensive, though), but like I said, I = had tons of fun with it. I noticed the limitations pretty quickly, but = I didn't realize how limiting it was until I got an EDP. =20 =20 This is all assuming you bought the Headrush for looping purposes more = than traditional delay purposes, of course. As a delay unit is has some = features that are hard to find...such as 4 outputs to simulate 4 = seperate tape heads. =20 =20 Brian -----Original Message----- From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com [mailto:Needfreed@wmconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Questions In a message dated 5/19/2005 3:08:38 PM Central Standard Time, = Brian@porterresearch.com writes:=20 >>>>>But it does have some serious limitations. I know the manual isn't = much help, but for looping purposes (not all the delay stuff), there = really isn't much to it.=20 BTW ....What made it a "blem?"<<<<<=20 I guess it was the error in the manual! ;) I went back and triple = checked and the manual is indeed incorrect. Wouldn't you know it: for = once I take the time to read the instructions and this happens....=20 I could tell it had been used because the unit wasn't in "pristine" dust = and fingerprint free condition and the wall wart cord was rudely wrapped = around the transformer. As an aside, the majority of MF blems I've = purchased have been in virtually new condition; only one item was = noticeably banged up.=20 I remain on my "Eternal Quest For The Perfect Guitar Rig" so I'll impose = further and ask you what are the limitations and is any looper better?=20 Or will I just start some flame war about which is best....? ;)=20 BTW, thanks very much for your quick and informative reply to my = original questions!=20 Mike=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55CB6.EAA5DC0E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well,=20 if you are looking for the "perfect" guitar rig, and you are serious = about=20 looping, in particular, there are some better loopers out there.  = The=20 Headrush E1 (virtually exactly the same thing as the E2 except the = switch=20 between functions is a different button) was my first looper (I still = own it,=20 bit am thinking about selling it, since I got an Echoplex Digital = Pro). =20 The Echoplex Digital Pro and the MKII Repeater are considered the best = looping=20 devices available (by most).  Each piece of equipment has some = limitation=20 of some sort.  I think if the Echoplex had upgraded memory and = storage=20 capabilities, it would be the clear winner, IMO.
 
As far=20 as limitations of the Headrush....you only get 11.9 seconds of recording = capability with overdub.....and twice that if you just record one take = and play=20 it back (no overdubs).  The processing is 44.1khz, but compared = directly to=20 say the Echoplex (which is supposedly slightly lower than 44.1) the = Echoplex is=20 much better, less noise and more headroom.  One of the most = important=20 features it lacks is a feedback control for the looper, feedback is = always at=20 100%, so you can't really "morph" the loops into something else, you can = only=20 build and build and build then destroy it.  It also lacks a = progressive=20 undo feature, if you make a mistake in overdub mode, you either keep it = or you=20 have to erase all layers you have created and go back to the original = phrase you=20 recorded.  It does not have the ability to record and switch = between=20 multiple loops.  You cannot change the loop length once you have = recorded=20 the phrase (add more measures, or re-define the loop length), you can't=20 play/recorded in reverse.  No MIDI capability.  There are just = some of=20 the features that are limiting as a looper.  If you are like me, it = will=20 make you addicted to looping, and act as a spring board to spend some = serious=20 money on a more advanced real-time = looper.  
 
In=20 terms of which one is the best, as far as pedals = go....check Loopers=20 Delight Web site and see the comparisons....each one seems to have = advantages=20 and disadvantages, so it may depend on what your needs are, as to which = one is=20 the best.  Some will let you store loops, but many are limited in = this=20 regard in a live setting as you actually have to stop the loop to store = it, then=20 switch to the next one....so you may have to pre-store loops for a show = and save=20 them in memorey.  Also Digitech is apparently coming out with a new = looper=20 that has some nice features for $299, but the complete details are not = here=20 quite yet.  I would say the Headrush is one of the least = advanced=20 loopers out there right now (and one of the least expensive, though), = but like I=20 said, I had tons of fun with it.  I noticed the limitations pretty = quickly,=20 but I didn't realize how limiting it was until I got an EDP. =20
 
This=20 is all assuming you bought the Headrush for looping purposes more than=20 traditional delay purposes, of course.  As a delay unit is has some = features that are hard to find...such as 4 outputs to simulate 4 = seperate tape=20 heads. 
 
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: = Needfreed@wmconnect.com=20 [mailto:Needfreed@wmconnect.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, = 2005 4:35=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Akai Headrush Questions

In a message dated 5/19/2005 3:08:38 PM Central = Standard=20 Time, Brian@porterresearch.com writes:



>>>>>But it does have some serious = limitations.  I know the manual isn't much help, but for looping = purposes=20 (not all the delay stuff), there really isn't much to it.

BTW = ....What=20 made it a "blem?"<<<<<

I guess it was the error in the manual! =   ;)=20  I went back and triple checked and the manual is indeed = incorrect.=20 Wouldn't you know it: for once I take the time to read the = instructions and=20 this happens....

I could tell it had been used because the = unit wasn't=20 in "pristine" dust and fingerprint free condition and the wall wart = cord was=20 rudely wrapped around the transformer. As an aside, the majority of MF = blems=20 I've purchased have been in virtually new condition; only one item was = noticeably banged up.

I remain on my "Eternal Quest For The = Perfect=20 Guitar Rig" so I'll impose further and ask you what are the = limitations and is=20 any looper better?

Or will I just start some flame war about = which is=20 best....?  ;)

BTW, thanks very much for your quick and=20 informative reply to my original questions!


Mike=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C55CB6.EAA5DC0E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 17:34:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JLTcl07422; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86375f9e8034f98e17bd0d667f581fb7@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: JamMan Knobs | Replacement Source? Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:27:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello I'm looking for a replacement source for a JamMan knob. It's the clicky rotary knob that selects the various Echo, Loop and Sample modes. Mine was snapped off in a shipping disaster (Thanks USPS!) Best, Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 17:59:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JLuQd16410; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com Message-ID: <147.45b6105c.2fbe6564@wmconnect.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:55:48 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.45b6105c.2fbe6564_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: <_ZsqpC.A.Z9D.utQjCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_147.45b6105c.2fbe6564_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/19/2005 4:11:38 PM Central Standard Time, Brian@porterresearch.com writes: > In terms of which one is the best, as far as pedals go....check Loopers > Delight Web site and see the comparisons....each one seems to have advantages > and disadvantages, so it may depend on what your needs are, as to which one is > I hear you: I think your point about using the E2 to help me become knowledgeable enough to determine where I need to go is spot on. I'll noodle around with this for a while and then we'll see. Thanks so much for your time - very good info. Mike --part1_147.45b6105c.2fbe6564_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message=20= dated 5/19/2005 4:11:38 PM Central Standard Time, Brian@porterresearch.com w= rites:


In terms of which one is= the best, as far as pedals go....check Loopers Delight Web site and see the= comparisons....each one seems to have advantages and disadvantages, so it m= ay depend on what your needs are, as to which one is the best.



I hear you: I think your point about using the E2 to help me become know= ledgeable enough to determine where I need to go is spot on.=20

I'll noodle around with this for a while and then we'll see.

Thanks so much for your time - very good info.


Mike --part1_147.45b6105c.2fbe6564_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 18:05:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JM38b20193; Thu, 19 May 2005 18:03:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:03:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:02:13 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: JamMan Knobs | Replacement Source? In-reply-to: <86375f9e8034f98e17bd0d667f581fb7@cableaz.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <428D0CE5.1080203@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <86375f9e8034f98e17bd0d667f581fb7@cableaz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <41pJND.A.L2E.nzQjCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rds8000 wrote: > I'm looking for a replacement source for a JamMan knob. It's the clicky > rotary knob that selects the various Echo, Loop and Sample modes. Mine > was snapped off in a shipping disaster (Thanks USPS!) Below is contact info to get replacement knobs for the Lexicon Vortex. I'm pretty sure that the JamMan uses the same knobs, but you should ask. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------- The part number is 452-09555 The cost is 5.88 each + shipping handling You would want to call us and place an order if you need them. Thanks John Harman Music Group Technical Support 801-568-7567 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 19:02:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4JMxCt00936; Thu, 19 May 2005 18:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:59:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.13aacc68.2fbe73b2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:56:50 EDT Subject: Website With MPS To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1116543410" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5036 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1116543410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.myspace.com/jamessidlo Enjoy, James -------------------------------1116543410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;               &n= bsp; Enjoy, James
-------------------------------1116543410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 21:04:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4K130x02396; Thu, 19 May 2005 21:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.5e389a1c.2fbe910d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:02:05 EDT Subject: Re: Website With MPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12c.5e389a1c.2fbe910d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12c.5e389a1c.2fbe910d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit james.....i tried to e-mail you and got a sign that said "this member is not accepting e-mails from you" (i.e. me).....boy, i piss everyone off!.....please let me know off list, of course, what i have done.....mic p.s. love the site and the tunes.....i will listen more later --part1_12c.5e389a1c.2fbe910d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable james.....i tried to e-mail you and got= a sign that said "this member is not accepting e-mails from you" (i.e. me).= ....boy, i piss everyone off!.....please let me know off list, of course, wh= at i have done.....mic
p.s. love the site and the tunes.....i will listen more later --part1_12c.5e389a1c.2fbe910d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 19 23:42:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4K3eXW02629; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:39:42 EDT Subject: Re: Website With MPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.71800a60.2fbeb5fe_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <2gVwpB.A.rn.IwVjCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fb.71800a60.2fbeb5fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, In a message dated 05/19/05 15:57:32, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: > http://www.myspace.com/jamessidlo >=20 Cool James. I think I've said it here before that I ABSOLUTELY FREAKING DIG every disk of your's I've been blessed so far=20 to hear. "Silo 10" is just another in a long string of home runs and another all-around great CD. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_fb.71800a60.2fbeb5fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James,

In a message dated 05/19/05 15:57:32, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:

http://www.myspace.com= /jamessidlo

Cool James. I think I've said it here before that I ABSOLUTELY
FREAKING DIG every disk of your's I've been blessed so far
to hear. "Silo 10" is just another in a long string of home runs
and another all-around great CD.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_fb.71800a60.2fbeb5fe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 02:42:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4K6egk04871; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 02:40:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 21f9c70c31173729b5cb940c77efaaff Received-SPF: none (colueza.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.143 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.143; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:45:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:Re: surround looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >4) the term "sub woofer" has changed it's meaning in recent years, >the term originally referred to a speaker to handle just the very >low frequencies that a regular speaker wouldn't produce, hence the >perception that it just added a bit of depth, and that it didn't >matter where the sub was placed. The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of >the frequency range ....20,000/10 = 2000Hz , which makes it a >regular "woofer". I agree that the original idea was to have only non localizable frequencies on the subwoofer, up to 120 Hz. But 2000Hz cannot be true, the main part of the voices would come out of the woofer under the table! I searched arround and it seems 250Hz is common. >6) in a gig situation there's no way to get the whole of an audience >into the sweet spot, and many audience members will be close to >just one speaker. > So when mixing a band on a stereo pa I put them in mono anyway :-( stereo is great for effects and if you put some stuff a little out of center, you reduce annoing phase cancelations a lot. But I dont mix any instrument far right or left either. to have rear speakers is almost impossible because the public behind will hate them and the public in front will not hear them. >7) stereo FX (like polyechoes) can sound pretty good, so more >speakers could really > add something. >8) 5.1 is designed for "making the explosions behind you", while >keeping the main attention on the screen. It's not designed for >spatial music. exactly. and most of the 5.1 mixes I heard so far are not spatial compositions but a band in front and some reverb behind. In 2002 when I was in California, Gary Hall helped me to create a surround mix of a piece of mine at Larry O's studio. There the percussion really jumped happily arround the room! >When Pink Floyd were using quadrophonics (1967), they had 2 sets of >pa speakers, >a main pa, which was stereo(maybe mono, I don't know) and a second >quadrophonic >pa (of smaller wattage) for effects. Mostly the sound came from the >main pa, but the quad was used just to highlight certain instruments >at various times. I heard the pigs show (76?) and was not impressed >I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's >anything special in the 5.1 format. true. Its quadro with a useless (for music) center speaker and a subwoofer which is not related to the spacialization... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 05:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4K9nnm06461; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 05:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 02:48:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed91f8569bdc23bac410c6dd5888d625712350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.123.8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=46&itemID=9106&pg=all From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 06:53:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KApdX16162; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:52:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c55d2a$031032d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KAp4x16071 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Misconceptions in the implementation of the Dolby Digital AC-3 standard have led to this problem. The Dolby specification (as to be found on www.dolby.com) specifices the 5.1 norm as a set of five full-range channels and one Low Frequency Effects (LFE) or "boom" channel band-limited from 3 to 120 Hz. The LFE channel is used to reproduce low frequency effects (hence the name) like exploding airplance, landing of alien spaceships and so on. All other content (including music) is reproduced by the five main channels, which are clearly specificed as full range. Of course we know that most surround implementations for home use do use the sixth channel not only for the LFE channel as encoded in the AC-3 signal but also for the low range of all five full-range channels together, will their mid- and high range content is reproduced by five sattelite speakers. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Mai 2005 04:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re:Re: surround looping >4) the term "sub woofer" has changed it's meaning in recent years, >the term originally referred to a speaker to handle just the very >low frequencies that a regular speaker wouldn't produce, hence the >perception that it just added a bit of depth, and that it didn't >matter where the sub was placed. The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of >the frequency range ....20,000/10 = 2000Hz , which makes it a >regular "woofer". I agree that the original idea was to have only non localizable frequencies on the subwoofer, up to 120 Hz. But 2000Hz cannot be true, the main part of the voices would come out of the woofer under the table! I searched arround and it seems 250Hz is common. >6) in a gig situation there's no way to get the whole of an audience >into the sweet spot, and many audience members will be close to >just one speaker. > So when mixing a band on a stereo pa I put them in mono anyway :-( stereo is great for effects and if you put some stuff a little out of center, you reduce annoing phase cancelations a lot. But I dont mix any instrument far right or left either. to have rear speakers is almost impossible because the public behind will hate them and the public in front will not hear them. >7) stereo FX (like polyechoes) can sound pretty good, so more >speakers could really > add something. >8) 5.1 is designed for "making the explosions behind you", while >keeping the main attention on the screen. It's not designed for >spatial music. exactly. and most of the 5.1 mixes I heard so far are not spatial compositions but a band in front and some reverb behind. In 2002 when I was in California, Gary Hall helped me to create a surround mix of a piece of mine at Larry O's studio. There the percussion really jumped happily arround the room! >When Pink Floyd were using quadrophonics (1967), they had 2 sets of >pa speakers, >a main pa, which was stereo(maybe mono, I don't know) and a second >quadrophonic >pa (of smaller wattage) for effects. Mostly the sound came from the >main pa, but the quad was used just to highlight certain instruments >at various times. I heard the pigs show (76?) and was not impressed >I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's >anything special in the 5.1 format. true. Its quadro with a useless (for music) center speaker and a subwoofer which is not related to the spacialization... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 07:15:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KBEJE20682; Fri, 20 May 2005 07:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:14:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> References: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2AA1904E-67B6-4EA8-BB91-9ABCF7C5DF05@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:13:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 20, 2005, at 11:48, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop > which now requires all performers to play 100% original music. > Now, to me this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: > > http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=46&itemID=9106&pg=all Thanks. That was interesting reading! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 07:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KBemN24051; Fri, 20 May 2005 07:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:40:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050520121237.02da7dd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:38:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re:Re: surround looping In-Reply-To: <200505201053.j4KArqw16416@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505201053.j4KArqw16416@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy said >>a speaker to handle just the very low frequencies that a regular speaker >>wouldn't produce, hence the perception that it just added a bit of depth, >>and that it didn't matter where the sub was placed. The 0.1 in 5.1 is >>for one tenth of the frequency range ....20,000/10 = 2000Hz , which >>makes it a regular "woofer". matthias said >I agree that the original idea was to have only non localizable >frequencies on the subwoofer, up to 120 Hz. But 2000Hz cannot be true, the >main part of the voices would come out of the woofer under the table! >I searched arround and it seems 250Hz is common. that sounds more like it :-) I knew the 2000Hz figure was nonsense, and hoped someone would know the right figure. The.1 in 5.1 to represent the fraction of the bandwidth sent to the sub. For a 250Hz x-over, it should be called 5.0125 . In any case, most so called sub-woofers have a lowest frequency of 50Hz or above. >>When Pink Floyd were using quadrophonics (1967), they had 2 sets of pa >>speakers, > >I heard the pigs show (76?) and was not impressed Well I never made it to the '67 show, (6 years old) so I don't know how it actually sounded. >>I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's >>anything special in the 5.1 format. > >true. Its quadro with a useless (for music) center speaker and a subwoofer >which is not related to the spacialization... I would have thought the center speaker helps a bit, as it allows a greater angle between the front L&R speakers. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 10:04:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KE1Ug19202; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1116597639!13990753!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:57:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55D43.D8744E20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D43.D8744E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it's very depressing, all this, for it's true. despite the exciting prospect of multi-channel music production, both studio & stage, there really isn't much call for it, even with the most immersive & abstract instrumentation. then there are the practical difficulties- multi-channel delivery formats have yet to settle down unless you're in the movie business, & even then it tends to be a bit fireworky, detracting from the main body of the action. directors regard it as a necessary evil. I've been to one gig in twenty-odd years that used a quad p.a., & it added nothing to what was going on in front of us, save to drown out some of the usual disrespectful chatter one tends to hear at live music venues in london these days. like it said on the quad version of tubular bells, "for people with four ears". I'm still going to mate my two repeaters up & see what happens though. duncan. >4) the term "sub woofer" has changed it's meaning in recent years, >the term originally referred to a speaker to handle just the very >low frequencies that a regular speaker wouldn't produce, hence the >perception that it just added a bit of depth, and that it didn't >matter where the sub was placed. The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of >the frequency range ....20,000/10 = 2000Hz , which makes it a >regular "woofer". I agree that the original idea was to have only non localizable frequencies on the subwoofer, up to 120 Hz. But 2000Hz cannot be true, the main part of the voices would come out of the woofer under the table! I searched arround and it seems 250Hz is common. >6) in a gig situation there's no way to get the whole of an audience >into the sweet spot, and many audience members will be close to >just one speaker. > So when mixing a band on a stereo pa I put them in mono anyway :-( stereo is great for effects and if you put some stuff a little out of center, you reduce annoing phase cancelations a lot. But I dont mix any instrument far right or left either. to have rear speakers is almost impossible because the public behind will hate them and the public in front will not hear them. >7) stereo FX (like polyechoes) can sound pretty good, so more >speakers could really > add something. >8) 5.1 is designed for "making the explosions behind you", while >keeping the main attention on the screen. It's not designed for >spatial music. exactly. and most of the 5.1 mixes I heard so far are not spatial compositions but a band in front and some reverb behind. In 2002 when I was in California, Gary Hall helped me to create a surround mix of a piece of mine at Larry O's studio. There the percussion really jumped happily arround the room! >When Pink Floyd were using quadrophonics (1967), they had 2 sets of >pa speakers, >a main pa, which was stereo(maybe mono, I don't know) and a second >quadrophonic >pa (of smaller wattage) for effects. Mostly the sound came from the >main pa, but the quad was used just to highlight certain instruments >at various times. I heard the pigs show (76?) and was not impressed >I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's >anything special in the 5.1 format. true. Its quadro with a useless (for music) center speaker and a subwoofer which is not related to the spacialization... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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it's very depressing, all this, for it's true. despite th= e exciting prospect of multi-channel music production, both studio & st= age, there really isn't much call for it, even with the most immersive &= ; abstract instrumentation.

then there are the practical difficulties- multi-channel = delivery formats have yet to settle down unless you're in the movie busines= s, & even then it tends to be a bit fireworky, detracting from the main= body of the action. directors regard it as a necessary evil.

I've been to one gig in twenty-odd years that used a quad= p.a., & it added nothing to what was going on in front of us, save to = drown out some of the usual disrespectful chatter one tends to hear at live= music venues in london these days.

like it said on the quad version of tubular bells, "= for people with four ears".

I'm still going to mate my two repeaters up & see wha= t happens though.

duncan.



>4) the term "sub woofer" has changed it's m= eaning in recent years,
>the term originally referred to a speaker to handle = just the very
>low frequencies that a regular speaker wouldn't prod= uce, hence the
>perception that it just added a bit of depth, and th= at  it didn't
>matter where the sub was placed. The 0.1 in 5.1 is f= or one tenth of
>the  frequency range ....20,000/10 =3D 2000Hz ,= which makes it a
>regular "woofer".

I agree that the original idea was to have only non local= izable
frequencies on the subwoofer, up to 120 Hz. But 2000Hz c= annot be
true, the main part of the voices would come out of the = woofer under
the table!
I searched arround and it seems 250Hz is common.

>6) in a gig situation there's no way to get the whole= of an audience
>into the sweet spot,  and many audience members= will be close to
>just one speaker.
>  So when mixing a band on a stereo pa I put th= em in mono anyway :-(

stereo is great for effects and if you put some stuff a l= ittle out of
center, you reduce annoing phase cancelations a lot. But= I dont mix
any instrument far right or left either.

to have rear speakers is almost impossible because the pu= blic behind
will hate them and the public in front will not hear the= m.

>7) stereo FX (like polyechoes) can sound pretty good,= so more
>speakers could really
>    add something.
>8) 5.1 is designed for "making the explosions b= ehind you", while
>keeping the main attention on the screen. It's not d= esigned for
>spatial music.

exactly. and most of the 5.1 mixes I heard so far are not= spatial
compositions but a band in front and some reverb behind.=
In 2002 when I was in California, Gary Hall helped me to= create a
surround mix of a piece of mine at Larry O's studio. The= re the
percussion really jumped happily arround the room!

>When Pink Floyd were using quadrophonics (1967), they= had 2 sets of
>pa speakers,
>a main pa, which was stereo(maybe mono, I don't know= ) and a second
>quadrophonic
>pa (of smaller wattage) for effects. Mostly the soun= d came from the
>main pa, but the quad was used just to highlight cer= tain instruments
>at various times.

I heard the pigs show (76?) and was not impressed

>I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't= think there's
>anything special in the 5.1 format.

true. Its quadro with a useless (for music) center speake= r and a
subwoofer which is not related to the spacialization...<= /FONT>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D43.D8744E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 10:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KEcMT24597; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <428DF7CA.2070505@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:44:26 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #426 for May 19, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050519.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #426 May 19, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Atlanta Georgia-based TouchXtone. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Java Monkey." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Voice" by Robert Schroeder on Racket Records, released in 1984. I played the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music festival. Details and links are at the EMUSIC events page. I announced the contest to rename EMUSIC. Anyone may enter. Rules apply. TouchXtone - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#may events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html Contest - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rename.html PLAYLIST: 11:00 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Robert Schroeder Galaxie Cygnus-A Pt. 2 Computer Voice (Racket) Robert Rich Passing Terrain Echo of Small Things (Soundscape) Jon Jenkins Legacy Beyond City Light (Spotted Peccary) VA [Wave World] The Winds od Laax electro-music 2005 Sampler (electro-music media) Mark Jenkins Supernova Space Dreams 2 (AMP) Between Interval Entropy Secret Observatory (Spotted Peccary) VA [Xeroid Entity] Spirokete electro-music 2005 Sampler (electro-music media) 12:00 am TouchXtone Nautical Mile Java Monkey (none) TouchXtone The River of Gatherers Java Monkey (none) TouchXtone Summer All Day Java Monkey (none) TouchXtone March of the Java Monkey (none) Constabularies TouchXtone City of Machination * Java Monkey (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on TouchXtone. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "EyeDrum and Beyond." The Vinyl Starter will be from the soundtrack LP "Risky Business" by Tangerine Dream on Geffen and Virgin Records, released in 1984. I will play the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music festival. Details and links are at the EMUSIC events page. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 10:52:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KEnQC27635; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:48:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVdRS2nfb3hiG8QQHO7XvAT/UVL0AABL8/Q Message-Id: <20050520144849.WMMP26972.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <3_iwP.A.XuG.bjfjCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Wrote: I'm still going to mate my two repeaters up & see what happens though. duncan. That's what I like about this list! Let us know what happens. Also wondering if Andre La Fosse showed in Santa Cruz for the April 18th show at the Attic? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 11:29:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KFMCU00693; Fri, 20 May 2005 11:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-856229625 Message-Id: <6aaeafa157168a4747c2be4e694beb2f@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:19:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-856229625 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed well, i have to disagree that multichannel doesn't add anything to a performance. my first multichannel event was in '71, while i was a student at indiana university. iannis xenakis was composer-in-residence, and he gave a recital of his electroacoustic piece "bohor" in a recital hall with more than a dozen speakers arrayed around the hall. the performance was amazing and totally hooked me on multichannel sound. it's taken me over 30 years to get to a place where i can do it myself, but now i have a space in the brooklyn navy yard where i can present work in quad surround and it's heaven. my first public event will be june 4th, and i'll post an announcement to the list when the lineup is confirmed. it will be a mix of pieces from dvd and live performance. i will also be curating group events/jams at the space, so interested parties can email me off-list for more info. immersion is a good thing. i can also very highly recommend michael schumacher's sound art gallery diapason in manhattan as one of the best multichannel experiences around. i've had many a lovely sound experience lounging on his comfy cushioned floor listening to some first rate performances. http://www.diapasongallery.org/ cheers bruce On May 20, 2005, at 9:57 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I've been to one gig in twenty-odd years that used a quad p.a., & it > added nothing to what was going on in front of us, save to drown out > some of the usual disrespectful chatter one tends to hear at live > music venues in london these days. > > like it said on the quad version of tubular bells, "for people with > four ears". bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-2-856229625 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII well, i have to disagree that multichannel doesn't add anything to a performance. my first multichannel event was in '71, while i was a student at indiana university. iannis xenakis was composer-in-residence, and he gave a recital of his electroacoustic piece "bohor" in a recital hall with more than a dozen speakers arrayed around the hall. the performance was amazing and totally hooked me on multichannel sound. it's taken me over 30 years to get to a place where i can do it myself, but now i have a space in the brooklyn navy yard where i can present work in quad surround and it's heaven. my first public event will be june 4th, and i'll post an announcement to the list when the lineup is confirmed. it will be a mix of pieces from dvd and live performance. i will also be curating group events/jams at the space, so interested parties can email me off-list for more info. immersion is a good thing. i can also very highly recommend michael schumacher's sound art gallery diapason in manhattan as one of the best multichannel experiences around. i've had many a lovely sound experience lounging on his comfy cushioned floor listening to some first rate performances. http://www.diapasongallery.org/ cheers bruce On May 20, 2005, at 9:57 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: I've been to one gig in twenty-odd years that used a quad p.a., & it added nothing to what was going on in front of us, save to drown out some of the usual disrespectful chatter one tends to hear at live music venues in london these days. like it said on the quad version of tubular bells, "for people with four ears". bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-2-856229625-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 12:10:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KG5lJ10489; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <210.12de7df.2fbf64ad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:05:01 EDT Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_210.12de7df.2fbf64ad_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_210.12de7df.2fbf64ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Travis, et al, In a message dated 05/20/05 2:48:37, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which > now requires all performers to play 100% original music.=A0 Now, to me > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: >=20 > =A0 http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=3D46&itemID=3D9106&pg=3Dall >=20 Well, all I can say to them is more power to them. This is not news. Intellectual property rights, recording, publishing and performing rights were not invented yesterday. It's only been in recent years, when blatant piracy has become so egregious and ubiquitous that we now tend to hear=20 of the guys who collect royalties for us (if we've bothered to join BMI or=20 ASCAP and have been lucky enough to get airplay) as THE BAD GUYS. I do not make a living from my music but I DO get a tiny little quarterly=20 check from ASCAP which I am mighty pleased (and even proud) to have. If I didn't get that I'd hardly get paid for my music at all -- most venues=20 being what they are (and my music being what it is -- rather "difficult listening" anyway). If one venue in five pays anything I'd be amazed.=20 If I didn't have CDs to sell at gigs I'd make no profit at all (if you can=20 call that profit). Heheheh. I am not an ASCAP/BMI "nazi." I believe there should be some "wiggle room" for the small fish in the pond -- performers and coffee-shop owners whose impact, individually, is so small as to be inconsequential (and for=20 other artists who want to cop a riff and/or slice 'n' dice something into=20 a totally new piece). But doggone if I think it'd be a good thing if (and=20 that's a mighty big "if") someone were to use MY music in a way that=20 made THEM money and I never even get so much as a "thank you."=20 I have to scratch and fight for every nickel I get already in my day job=20 just to keep going and doing this thing I love to do -- which as you ALL=20 know is soooooo darn expensive . . . and, at the end of the day, to put=20 meals in the mouths and a roof over the heads of my family. I am glad there is someone out there like ASCAP watching out for my=20 interests in an active, even aggressive way.=20 Perhaps it's easy for me to say 'cause I don't do covers publicly . . . and=20 never have done them outside the confines of my own home. If I were a looping "folkie" or pop "standards" (top 40, rock, jazz or country) musician= =20 perhaps I'd feel very differently. As listeners, music surrounds us and is given away freely everywhere every day. This tends to make us think=20 it ought to be free for us too in every other situation. Or, maybe, it's so=20 a part of our environment that we think it's "ours." We think of=20 proprietarily of it even when it's not ours.=20 Last time I checked, the '60s were soooooo over. The notion that all things should be free and no one should own anything in a total hippie anarchist=20 paradise is one that easily collapsed as soon as those hippies grew up, got jobs and had kids (been there, done that, bought the t-shirt).=20 Speaking of coffeshops, I am quite sure the reason that $tarbuck$ sells=20 the musical artist anthology/collection CDs it does in its franchises is so they can cover all the bases, have the music, pay the royalties due,=20 and sell a few CDs too (to defray costs) on top of it all. I know that they are a company a lot of us love to hate as the "Walmart of coffeehouses," but you have to admit it's a pretty smart scheme. And . . . the artists . .=20= . or their heirs and estate managers get paid (as they should). Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_210.12de7df.2fbf64ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Travis, et al,

In a message dated 05/20/05 2:48:37, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:

I received an email fr= om the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which
now requires all performers to play 100% original music.=A0 Now, to me
this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling:

=A0 http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=3D46&itemID=3D9106&pg= =3Dall

Well, all I can say to them is more power to them. This is not news.
Intellectual property rights, recording, publishing and performing rights were not invented yesterday. It's only been in recent years, when blatant piracy has become so egregious and ubiquitous that we now tend to hear
of the guys who collect royalties for us (if we've bothered to join B= MI or
ASCAP and have been lucky enough to get airplay) as THE BAD GUYS.

I do not make a living from my music but I DO get a tiny little quarterly check from ASCAP which I am mighty pleased (and even proud) to have.
If I didn't get that I'd hardly get paid for my music at all -- most venues=20=
being what they are (and my music being what it is -- rather "difficult
listening" anyway). If one venue in five pays anything I'd be amazed.
If I didn't have CDs to sell at gigs I'd make no profit at all (if you can <= BR> call that profit). Heheheh.

I am not an ASCAP/BMI "nazi." I believe there should be some "wiggle
room" for the small fish in the pond -- performers and coffee-shop owners whose impact, individually, is so small as to be inconsequential (and for other artists who want to cop a riff and/or slice 'n' dice something into a totally new piece). But doggone if I think it'd be a good thing if (and that's a mighty big "if") someone were to use MY music in a way that
made THEM money and I never even get so much as a "thank you."

I have to scratch and fight for every nickel I get already in my day job just to keep going and doing this thing I love to do -- which as you ALL know is soooooo darn expensive . . . and, at the end of the day, to put
meals in the mouths and a roof over the heads of my family. I am
glad there is someone out there like ASCAP watching out for my
interests in an active, even aggressive way.

Perhaps it's easy for me to say 'cause I don't do covers publicly . . . and=20=
never have done them outside the confines of my own home. If I were a
looping "folkie" or pop "standards" (top 40, rock, jazz or country) musician=
perhaps I'd feel very differently. As listeners, music surrounds us and is given away freely everywhere every day. This tends to make us think
it ought to be free for us too in every other situation. Or, maybe, it's so=20=
a part of our environment that we think it's "ours." We think of proprietari= ly
of it even when it's not ours.

Last time I checked, the '60s were soooooo over. The notion that all thi= ngs
should be free and no one should own anything in a total hippie anarchist paradise is one that easily collapsed as soon as those hippies grew up,
got jobs and had kids (been there, done that, bought the t-shirt).

Speaking of coffeshops, I am quite sure the reason that $tarbuck$ sells
the musical artist anthology/collection CDs it does in its franchises is
so they can cover all the bases, have the music, pay the royalties due,
and sell a few CDs too (to defray costs) on top of it all. I know that they<= BR> are a company a lot of us love to hate as the "Walmart of coffeehouses,"
but you have to admit it's a pretty smart scheme. And . . . the artists . .=20= .
or their heirs and estate managers get paid (as they should).

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_210.12de7df.2fbf64ad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 12:21:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KGIH713104; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:18:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:18:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1116605864!13551747!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A089@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:14:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55D56.FDDD8150" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D56.FDDD8150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>well, i have to disagree that multichannel doesn't add anything to a performance.[snip] immersion is a good thing. i can also very highly recommend michael schumacher's sound art gallery diapason in manhattan as one of the best multichannel experiences around. i've had many a lovely sound experience lounging on his comfy cushioned floor listening to some first rate performances. "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick << indeed. fair play to y'. if I ever get to NYC again, I'll be sure to check this out. I wanted to do a quad rig at my band's last gig (in the planetarium in leicester, UK) but it just wasn't practical. next time, I will make it practical if it kills me. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D56.FDDD8150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: surround looping

>>well, i have to disagree that multichannel doesn'= t add anything to a
performance.[snip] immersion is a good thing.
i can also very highly recommend michael schumacher's so= und art gallery
diapason in manhattan as one of the best multichannel ex= periences around.
i've had many a lovely sound experience lounging on his = comfy cushioned
floor listening to some first rate performances.
"Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is t= o go insane."
Philip K. Dick <<

indeed. fair play to y'.
if I ever get to NYC again, I'll be sure to check this o= ut. I wanted to do a quad rig at my band's last gig (in the planetarium in = leicester, UK) but it just wasn't practical. next time, I will make it prac= tical if it kills me.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D56.FDDD8150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 12:33:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KGU6k15090; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:30:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:29:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 19, 2005, at 9:46, a k butler wrote: > I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's > anything special in the 5.1 format. > > andy butler I can see your point. Rather I'll be looking into using four speakers in the near future. The main reason is to produce two albums (DVD's) with some sort of surround sound. But if I can figure out an efficient quadraphonic live looping rig it would be great fun to try it out live as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 12:50:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KGgeJ17195; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:40:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <5ePe4B.A.3HE.WMhjCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ableton live works quite well for live quad with the right audio interface. the only drawback is lack of true quad panning, but this is easily circumvented with creative stereo pans to speaker pairs. works extremely well for my needs. cheers bruce On May 20, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On May 19, 2005, at 9:46, a k butler wrote: > >> I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's >> anything special in the 5.1 format. >> >> andy butler > > > I can see your point. Rather I'll be looking into using four speakers > in the near future. The main reason is to produce two albums (DVD's) > with some sort of surround sound. But if I can figure out an efficient > quadraphonic live looping rig it would be great fun to try it out live > as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "To know is nothing at all; to imagine is everything." Albert Einstein From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 13:05:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KH1eb21719; Fri, 20 May 2005 13:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:00:34 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: surround looping In-reply-to: <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <428E17B2.1060709@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: > I can see your point. Rather I'll be looking into using four speakers > in the near future. The main reason is to produce two albums (DVD's) > with some sort of surround sound. But if I can figure out an efficient > quadraphonic live looping rig it would be great fun to try it out live > as well. If you want to record multi-channel audio onto DVD's I think you'll need to encode into 5.1. You're not required to use all 6 channels, but if you want it to play back on an average home surround system, it would probably sound better if you did. This site has some information on the process: http://www.tweakheadz.com/surround_sound_studio.htm Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 13:08:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KH2iJ21897; Fri, 20 May 2005 13:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:02:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JONY8pyBdFqPKEkhY3KGN0s13qC/7CnKS6f5uyLyYlDp7Pguf3xL1bHx6djrmg1VPaAXNzz+Gf4fihUejlhUdmrFR0igXTX23carEdM4L0bbIFQRR1Mco16Zwk1QGqYjid7bQIRAXpFGMnv+8XGTuSAhzNxOsbtAm8/rSVXY54M= Message-ID: <588ce11d0505201001224bde4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:01:52 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing In-Reply-To: <210.12de7df.2fbf64ad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <210.12de7df.2fbf64ad@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KH1sx21744 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find the business model of ASCAP and BMI infuriating. I think there is no question that it is built around the mega-hit platinum pop model, and stifles eclectic and obscure music. I can't help but think that stealing is good for music in many respects--I love the blues, and how could anything like the blues develop in this kind of climate? Yes, there is such a thing as intellectual property, and bootlegging and selling illegal copies (of the latest Star Wars movie for example) is clearly wrong. But's it's important for the development of music for musicians to be able to play each other's riffs, phrases and songs. I'd go so far as to say sampling and deconstructing each other's music is important for the development of modern music (do I need to point out performers like Carl Stone and John Oswald?). Where do you draw the line?--I don't know but definitely not where it is right now. On 5/20/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Travis, et al, > > In a message dated 05/20/05 2:48:37, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > > > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which > now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: > > > http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=46&itemID=9106&pg=all > > Well, all I can say to them is more power to them. This is not news. > Intellectual property rights, recording, publishing and performing rights > were not invented yesterday. It's only been in recent years, when blatant > piracy has become so egregious and ubiquitous that we now tend to hear > of the guys who collect royalties for us (if we've bothered to join BMI or > ASCAP and have been lucky enough to get airplay) as THE BAD GUYS. > > I do not make a living from my music but I DO get a tiny little quarterly > check from ASCAP which I am mighty pleased (and even proud) to have. > If I didn't get that I'd hardly get paid for my music at all -- most venues > being what they are (and my music being what it is -- rather "difficult > listening" anyway). If one venue in five pays anything I'd be amazed. > If I didn't have CDs to sell at gigs I'd make no profit at all (if you can > call that profit). Heheheh. > > I am not an ASCAP/BMI "nazi." I believe there should be some "wiggle > room" for the small fish in the pond -- performers and coffee-shop owners > whose impact, individually, is so small as to be inconsequential (and for > other artists who want to cop a riff and/or slice 'n' dice something into > a totally new piece). But doggone if I think it'd be a good thing if (and > that's a mighty big "if") someone were to use MY music in a way that > made THEM money and I never even get so much as a "thank you." > > I have to scratch and fight for every nickel I get already in my day job > just to keep going and doing this thing I love to do -- which as you ALL > know is soooooo darn expensive . . . and, at the end of the day, to put > meals in the mouths and a roof over the heads of my family. I am > glad there is someone out there like ASCAP watching out for my > interests in an active, even aggressive way. > > Perhaps it's easy for me to say 'cause I don't do covers publicly . . . and > never have done them outside the confines of my own home. If I were a > looping "folkie" or pop "standards" (top 40, rock, jazz or country) > musician > perhaps I'd feel very differently. As listeners, music surrounds us and is > given away freely everywhere every day. This tends to make us think > it ought to be free for us too in every other situation. Or, maybe, it's so > a part of our environment that we think it's "ours." We think of > proprietarily > of it even when it's not ours. > > Last time I checked, the '60s were soooooo over. The notion that all things > should be free and no one should own anything in a total hippie anarchist > paradise is one that easily collapsed as soon as those hippies grew up, > got jobs and had kids (been there, done that, bought the t-shirt). > > Speaking of coffeshops, I am quite sure the reason that $tarbuck$ sells > the musical artist anthology/collection CDs it does in its franchises is > so they can cover all the bases, have the music, pay the royalties due, > and sell a few CDs too (to defray costs) on top of it all. I know that they > are a company a lot of us love to hate as the "Walmart of coffeehouses," > but you have to admit it's a pretty smart scheme. And . . . the artists . . > . > or their heirs and estate managers get paid (as they should). > > Best regards, > > tEd (r) kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 13:23:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KHIhe24542; Fri, 20 May 2005 13:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:18:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 20, 2005, at 18:40, bruce tovsky wrote: > ableton live works quite well for live quad with the right audio > interface. the only drawback is lack of true quad panning, but > this is easily circumvented with creative stereo pans to speaker > pairs. works extremely well for my needs. > cheers > bruce I'll be using Live 4, record all four live take channels separately to disc (and monitoring them over four equal Genelec speakers, eventually a sub woofer as well). Then I'll do the 5.1 mix in Logic. I'm looking forward to learning which quadraphonic performance techniques that will translate well into 5.1 mastering (not necessarily using all available channels). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 13:25:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KHL5W24939; Fri, 20 May 2005 13:21:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:21:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <428E17B2.1060709@sun.com> References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> <428E17B2.1060709@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:20:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per Boysen wrote: > >> I can see your point. Rather I'll be looking into using four >> speakers in the near future. The main reason is to produce two >> albums (DVD's) with some sort of surround sound. But if I can >> figure out an efficient quadraphonic live looping rig it would be >> great fun to try it out live as well. >> > On May 20, 2005, at 19:00, Jeff Larson wrote: > If you want to record multi-channel audio onto DVD's I think you'll > need to > encode into 5.1. You're not required to use all 6 channels, but if > you want it > to play back on an average home surround system, it would probably > sound better > if you did. This site has some information on the process: > > http://www.tweakheadz.com/surround_sound_studio.htm > Jeff Thank you very much for that tip, Jeff! Can't understand I never found that site on my web searches! We'll be doing movie clips and stills as well. Finalizing and authoring will probably be done in Premier at his place and the music mixed down to four-seven 24 bit files here at my place. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 13:34:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KHNWu25758; Fri, 20 May 2005 13:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:14:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Re: surround looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of >the frequency range >....20,000/10 = 2000Hz , which makes it a >regular "woofer". Who originally wrote this? It is completely WRONG! The ".1," which was a terminology originally coined by Tomlinson Holman during his Lucasfilm THX period, has nothing to do with frequency ratios or any other sort of calculationl. All it signifies is that there is a separate LFE channel which is different from the full range channels, having a different frequency range and amplitude. It is therefore common to have systems configured for 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 10.2 etc. A friend of mine is even designing a system he refers to as 16.8.1, which means 16 full-range, eight subwoofers, and one sub-subwoofer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:14:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIBav03102; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:04:41 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: surround looping To: bruce tovsky , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006601c55d66$9e608460$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Kqa8pGq+7xJPTai6fj2pcg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6aaeafa157168a4747c2be4e694beb2f@skeletonhome.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1rImUC.A.qs.rfijCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Kqa8pGq+7xJPTai6fj2pcg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Basic basic surround looping that changed/focused my life: Fripp at the Kitchen in Manhattan, the first Frippertronics tour. He had four speakers, one in each corner of the listening area. Initial sound emitted to the left front, first rep emitted left rear, second rep emitted right rear, third rep emitted right front, and so on, spinning around the room. I spun, alright! dB, coyote --Boundary_(ID_Kqa8pGq+7xJPTai6fj2pcg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Basic basic surround looping that changed/focused my life:
Fripp at the Kitchen in Manhattan, the first Frippertronics tour. He had four speakers, one in each corner of the listening area. Initial sound emitted to the left front, first rep emitted left rear, second rep emitted right rear, third rep emitted right front, and so on, spinning around the room.
    I spun, alright!
dB, coyote
--Boundary_(ID_Kqa8pGq+7xJPTai6fj2pcg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIDw303470; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H1ippHvdXcW70a/XcMYt0X1T0PFi3H432+IXoXyhRhfMQkiX5tAOEp5Fvy4N8vSk2uSTfXb68Opgk0lZGvmo0IeEL0C3sUnEoqzIxDLlHpQTLunp6FH/mxMA//YTxnGF65E3lcx7HcT8JPEu4j6MqWPwbFfYgMYnDDftqBrVtbU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:13:25 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing In-Reply-To: <210.12de7df.2fbf64ad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <210.12de7df.2fbf64ad@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KIDWx03374 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 60's may be "so over", but the idea of intellectual property has taken a serious hit in recent years. BMI and ASCAP are still clinging to a business model from decades ago when the means of production were much more concentrated than they ever will be again. And most local musicians will never see any significant money from BMI or ASCAP because it's got no efficient way of measuring what music is actually being played and performed and because most grass-roots musicians receive negligable airplay. I suspect that there's a lot of small venues who aren't going to pay for performance licenses and are just going to stop having live music, which isn't good for music, and probably not good for the music industry in the long run. You can't choke off the minor leagues like that without seeing a dropoff in the talent pool a few years down the road. As far as I'm concerned, BMI, ASCAP and the Musician's Union are worthless to me. The only time I hear about them is when they take opportunities away from musicians, because there's more of us on the bottom than the top. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:17:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIFHb03777; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:15:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:15:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J2wwWyUPTB8j+TVIWdTXRoS8CsU+jpkM6i4ndX+NIoCSY+QxQt8dVI1dL+gL2NTyJ9fdFSHmOIwlHyTn71ppikprmLBMK76uiJxG+CXoTd/Fos27XsPJdX6tG7BCVq4djz4d5vWRomTuP0lcJW+YwPgfzFO8bs6ux/VaLI+joN4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:14:43 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: surround looping In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KIEmx03667 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding the 10.2 and the 16.8.1, I have to ask a potentially stupid question: I was always under the impression (having it read it many times) that the low frequencies for which a subwoofer is designed to reproduce are not 'directional'. By that, I mean (in case my terminology is off [likely]) that one cannot determine the direction from which the low frequencies came, or rather one cannot 'locate' the source of the low frequencies. If that's the case, why would one need more than one subwoofer? Is it a matter of power-distribution (like a 4x12 cab or a 16x5 cab like some of the Phil Jones Bass cabs)? Just curious, Jon Southwood On 5/20/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: > 6.1, 7.1, 10.2 etc. A friend of mine is even designing a system he > refers to as 16.8.1, which means 16 full-range, eight subwoofers, and > one sub-subwoofer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:39:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIZn007069; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:34:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think it must be akin to those heavy metal guitarists who use 20 marshall cabinets (granted i've heard that a lot of times only one is plugged in) on stage. more is more. does sound a little teeth rattling, doesn't it? i'd definitely check it out, with ear plugs of course... (not that they would do any good with those sub-subs...) cheers bruce On May 20, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Jon Southwood wrote: > Regarding the 10.2 and the 16.8.1, I have to ask a potentially stupid > question: > > I was always under the impression (having it read it many times) that > the low frequencies for which a subwoofer is designed to reproduce are > not 'directional'. By that, I mean (in case my terminology is off > [likely]) that one cannot determine the direction from which the low > frequencies came, or rather one cannot 'locate' the source of the low > frequencies. If that's the case, why would one need more than one > subwoofer? Is it a matter of power-distribution (like a 4x12 cab or a > 16x5 cab like some of the Phil Jones Bass cabs)? > > Just curious, > > Jon Southwood > > On 5/20/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: >> 6.1, 7.1, 10.2 etc. A friend of mine is even designing a system he >> refers to as 16.8.1, which means 16 full-range, eight subwoofers, and >> one sub-subwoofer. > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:45:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIfRX07986; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1116614441!19592909!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A08B@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:37:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C55D6A.F7223D60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D6A.F7223D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of >the frequency range >....20,000/10 = 2000Hz , which makes it a >regular "woofer". Who originally wrote this? It is completely WRONG!<< indeed it is. THIS is a subwoofer: http://www.geocities.com/royal_device/custom3.htm duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of >the  freq= uency range
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C55D6A.F7223D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:49:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIlqa09188; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:47:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVdZ7dosrErtr1vTeiwb3D38DMywwAAw3MA Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DZCWo1IuI-0004CX@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally understand this viewpoint, and the one that punishes musicians who do cover tunes...what if the original music the performer is playing is licensed though (just extremely unknown?)? There are lots of original performers around here that belong to BMI and ASCAP. While my check from ASCAP is small, I do, however have access to pretty good dental insurance as well a gear insurance and discounts on lots of other stuff. These days, if you have a bar, you have to pay to show NFL games, etc..it is part of the costs of doing business. In the end, I would rather see money go to professional musicians rather than sports teams. Looking at it from the other side, if a coffeehouse pays ASCAP, they *just might* realize that music is worth paying for. If they refuse to pay, why play there? I have done many free shows at coffeehouses, performing for grateful owners who genuinely are living week-to-week, and want to support original live music. I have also played for owners that drive up at 12am in their Very Expensive Car, count the money, grumble a bit, and then leave $10 less than we agreed upon for the musician (me). If this guy has to play ASCAP, BMI or any other organization, I honestly don't care. (BTW, I refused future bookings at this place). There are no easy solutions, but if ASCAP can help me out when I had all 4 wisdom teeth pulled last year (a few $k, normally, about $700 for me), that does help. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > The 60's may be "so over", but the idea of intellectual > property has taken a serious hit in recent years. BMI and > ASCAP are still clinging to a business model from decades ago > when the means of production were much more concentrated than > they ever will be again. And most local musicians will never > see any significant money from BMI or ASCAP because it's got > no efficient way of measuring what music is actually being > played and performed and because most grass-roots musicians > receive negligable airplay. > > I suspect that there's a lot of small venues who aren't going > to pay for performance licenses and are just going to stop > having live music, which isn't good for music, and probably > not good for the music industry in the long run. You can't > choke off the minor leagues like that without seeing a > dropoff in the talent pool a few years down the road. As far > as I'm concerned, BMI, ASCAP and the Musician's Union are > worthless to me. The only time I hear about them is when > they take opportunities away from musicians, because there's > more of us on the bottom than the top. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:55:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIqxw09913; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:52:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:48:42 -0700 To: Jon Southwood , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Re: surround looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:14 PM -0500 5/20/05, Jon Southwood wrote: >Regarding the 10.2 and the 16.8.1, I have to ask a potentially >stupid question: > >I was always under the impression (having it read it many times) that >the low frequencies for which a subwoofer is designed to reproduce are >not 'directional'. By that, I mean (in case my terminology is off >[likely]) that one cannot determine the direction from which the low >frequencies came, or rather one cannot 'locate' the source of the low >frequencies. I don't agree with this "truism" about bass having no directionality. It's simply more difficult to localize bass frequencies, but given that you hear bass with your whole body I think you can perceive where different bass sounds are coming from. In a complex system with many speakers I think it works pretty well to use multiple subs. This is especially true in a listening environment such as a club where the audience is free to circulate. Also be aware that in a specialized setup the crossover frequency could be tweaked to suit the combination of speakers and architecture. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 14:55:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KIr2F09926; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:51:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: surround looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:34 PM -0400 5/20/05, bruce tovsky wrote: >i think it must be akin to those heavy metal guitarists who use >20 marshall cabinets (granted i've heard that a lot of times only >one is plugged in) on stage. more is more. does sound a little >teeth rattling, doesn't it? Different situation, I think. The heavy metal guitarist is creating a massive monaural sound field. The multiple speakers in a large surround setup are being used to articulate sound in space. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 15:16:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KJDNH14135; Fri, 20 May 2005 15:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <07a1bc6595cf4e35ac7f7bd2e4a68d3d@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:12:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, what i was actually alluding to was the "overkill" nature of the more is more philosophy. while i totally concur with your observation of the directional nature of subwoofers - anyone who has gone to a contemporary dance music club knows - i also know from personal experience that surround can tend to "fall apart" when levels get so high that the ambient din overwhelms the original source. why bother? but then my own interests lie in sonic detail and localization rather than the very different needs of a cinematic surround system. best bruce On May 20, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:34 PM -0400 5/20/05, bruce tovsky wrote: >> i think it must be akin to those heavy metal guitarists who use >> 20 marshall cabinets (granted i've heard that a lot of times only >> one is plugged in) on stage. more is more. does sound a little >> teeth rattling, doesn't it? > > Different situation, I think. The heavy metal guitarist is creating a > massive monaural sound field. The multiple speakers in a large > surround setup are being used to articulate sound in space. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "To know is nothing at all; to imagine is everything." Albert Einstein From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 16:03:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KJxAP23671; Fri, 20 May 2005 15:59:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:59:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V1zAkZlCzgWY7KIpC33As40tXsv4LpRI5P36aHmnfK++WcBYYJhnR2nWhFRP74PkvqV8sxYjfNf74nA6dDdGvq+Rhj1LC9T7u7GUElC/2NLH+wLNDk6fxPY7kQeXzX9BXYH0nkFi37E+xhSBkJ5sSf28wq/HrWIOSm9sAPzIz2o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:57:35 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DZCWo1IuI-0004CX@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKz1m-1DZCWo1IuI-0004CX@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KJvex21978 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but as you resent the cafe owner collecting money at the end of a night and driving home in his Merc, there are plenty of coffeehouse musicians who aren't eligible for ASCAP health care who aren't going to be moved by your dental care windfall at the expense of their monthly gig. The reason to play places that don't pay you is that the need to play music is great, the number of musicians willing to play for no direct monetary compensation is large, and the number of paying places is small. I mean, they don't pay the painters who hang their art on the wall for a month either, but artists need exposure, whereas cafes don't really need local art and music. On 5/20/05, hazard factor wrote: > I totally understand this viewpoint, and the one that punishes musicians > who do cover tunes...what if the original music the performer is playing is > licensed though (just extremely unknown?)? There are lots of original > performers around here that belong to BMI and ASCAP. While my check from > ASCAP is small, I do, however have access to pretty good dental insurance as > well a gear insurance and discounts on lots of other stuff. > > These days, if you have a bar, you have to pay to show NFL games, etc..it is > part of the costs of doing business. In the end, I would rather see money go > to professional musicians rather than sports teams. Looking at it from the > other side, if a coffeehouse pays ASCAP, they *just might* realize that > music is worth paying for. If they refuse to pay, why play there? > > I have done many free shows at coffeehouses, performing for grateful owners > who genuinely are living week-to-week, and want to support original live > music. > I have also played for owners that drive up at 12am in their Very Expensive > Car, count the money, grumble a bit, and then leave $10 less than we agreed > upon for the musician (me). If this guy has to play ASCAP, BMI or any other > organization, I honestly don't care. (BTW, I refused future bookings at this > place). > > There are no easy solutions, but if ASCAP can help me out when I had all 4 > wisdom teeth pulled last year (a few $k, normally, about $700 for me), that > does help. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > The 60's may be "so over", but the idea of intellectual > > property has taken a serious hit in recent years. BMI and > > ASCAP are still clinging to a business model from decades ago > > when the means of production were much more concentrated than > > they ever will be again. And most local musicians will never > > see any significant money from BMI or ASCAP because it's got > > no efficient way of measuring what music is actually being > > played and performed and because most grass-roots musicians > > receive negligable airplay. > > > > I suspect that there's a lot of small venues who aren't going > > to pay for performance licenses and are just going to stop > > having live music, which isn't good for music, and probably > > not good for the music industry in the long run. You can't > > choke off the minor leagues like that without seeing a > > dropoff in the talent pool a few years down the road. As far > > as I'm concerned, BMI, ASCAP and the Musician's Union are > > worthless to me. The only time I hear about them is when > > they take opportunities away from musicians, because there's > > more of us on the bottom than the top. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 18:31:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KMTFG15137; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:29:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d6mhXl5WocVd7hKoXMQzdFspKyRFmwB39PsEJ0dtTquEt727wgOr8SMVVpSI1iul8a7Wn7v/x+Ysz8rBFKkfaPPRCWOejXECRegbZi7cFQOLlVdxCCOcxOjUYtWZyKnO42qZ+NgSdURg/zT+eYlSX9Z7Y8XobNVtEKywgra9b2E= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050520152722012343@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:27:39 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing In-Reply-To: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KMRdx14683 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Truth to tell -- I received a fairly polite letter from ASCAP I think about a band's site that I host that has their music on it. I sent an equally polite reply back thanking them for their enquiry and telling them that all the material was completely original to the band. I got a very polite reply thanking me for my time. Very civilized really. Just my one xperience, however. On 5/20/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which > now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: > > http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=46&itemID=9106&pg=all > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 18:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KMXC915647; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=phVKSmw8fiGaikv2nSNd8IuUvDomadwSg5p7ZjfLN2FyFgJ7HtHiyaGiwhpyKjcCvHdF8D2qP9PbiTQfLb9MlryTIAXOY6ywvPpkaCKi8CyKKBh+DJ3qXS07qLDMGML1lWT9Fk/uCyQU383+MdDLqaeGSSyk76wqHOEocae+iKQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205052015327b0b88a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:32:38 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: music biz article In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KMWcx15571 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "VOICES OF THE WORLD" Is that really the correct title?! I searched for it pretty heavily and didn't find it... On 5/18/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/18/05 10:55:13 AM, mp@mpeters.de writes: > > > > I feel quite distant from the Aka pygmies > culturally but their singing moves me to tears. > > > i was given a copy of "VOICES OF THE WORLD" a 2 cd set of music, singing, > chanting from all over the globe.....absolutly mind blowing.....many of the > pieces sound like some crazy looper(s) who live in NEW YORK > CITY.....:).....the total joy in this music was very apperant.....i would > "JAM" with each and everyone of these folk!.....mic -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 18:42:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KMdkX16315; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:39:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lBksQIxndU+311lPnjT2+W0wYgs0xN92ETO4baF3IBLVZ7HytbV878Rx/BCVoulxgblNAa4hN1keOhjOEMRArm9ER+zlVvK2u0cjMByqpuHD0Ykya4S6M3oeaSoq5UdezDSERtCw4B6uDk9wy0x7+7CyVfc5C1Ds0qfJ4XwIuGg= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205052015391e690014@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:39:11 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: thoughts on the GNX4? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KMdBx16225 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking of getting this for my sweetie who just got an electric guitar -- what do you think about it? -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 19:20:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4KNHx522529; Fri, 20 May 2005 19:17:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:17:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:17:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVddmwJUOxryx5CQgK6xXMFd6QQaAAGePUg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DZGkH3h0J-0005W1@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4KNHZx22440 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am not eligible for ASCAP healthcare, and I do understand the need for performers to perform. I have no problem with performers playing for free, or getting paid- it has to do with the agreement between the venue and the artist- they may have their reasons for whatever they decide. Cafes here in the Tampa area certainly use live music as a way to keep their business going on the weekends- if you shut the music off, and take the art off of the walls, certainly business would suffer. I don't think the argument is about playing for free- the café would have to pay these organizations for playing CDs- even local ones who happen to be affiliated with the performing rights organizations. Even if a TV was on, they have to pay a different organization. If you own a business, it just seems this is the cost of doing business. As a professional musician, ASCAP has helped me- even if it is a pain to business owners. No, I don't think ASCAP is entirely fair, and personally, I am distrustful of big organizations. As a looping artist, it is even harder to find gigs, and many places are small mom & pop shops. I don't mind playing for free there, but if they do use music to keep people spending money in their business, I don't mind if they have to pay ASCAP. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Yeah, but as you resent the cafe owner collecting money at > the end of a night and driving home in his Merc, there are > plenty of coffeehouse musicians who aren't eligible for ASCAP > health care who aren't going to be moved by your dental care > windfall at the expense of their monthly gig. > > The reason to play places that don't pay you is that the need > to play music is great, the number of musicians willing to > play for no direct monetary compensation is large, and the > number of paying places is small. I mean, they don't pay the > painters who hang their art on the wall for a month either, > but artists need exposure, whereas cafes don't really need > local art and music. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 20:41:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L0Zwj03359; Fri, 20 May 2005 20:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:35:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew W. Prull" X-X-Sender: prullmw@marcus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: signal routing question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Long time lurker and almost-looper here. Still assembling the necessary parts but just about there. Here's my question for you all: During a live set, for some songs I want to route a guitar synth signal through an EDP and a variety of other effects (frippertronics sorts of things). But, for other songs in the same set I want to blend the synth and guitar signal (i.e., mag pickups) such that the signal from the mag pickups now goes through the same EDP and effects combination, and the guitar synth signal now goes straight to the mixing board (unaffected, as it were). I can easily switch between pure synth and blend of mag pickups & synth, no problem there. But I can't see how I can easily rearrange the pathways without pulling out patch cables and rewiring between songs, or without spending $$$ for something like a sound sculpture switchblade. Seems like some kind of A/B box might do the trick but I don't know. Any ideas would be much appreciated! Cheers, Matthew Prull From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 21:42:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L1el212854; Fri, 20 May 2005 21:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:40:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 02:45:45 +0100 Subject: Re: signal routing question From: jeremy To: CC: "Matthew W. Prull" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3199488347_381953" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <_RymB.A.IID.zFpjCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3199488347_381953 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Easiest way would be: - Synth to one channel of your mixer, - Mag pickups (through preamp?) to another channel. - use Aux Sends to route what you want to to EDP and fx combination You=B9ll still hear the =B3dry=B2 signal. Do you want that? Method two:=20 If you want everything to go through the fx and you have something like a Mackie 1202 then you can have the EDP / fx combination being fed from the alt busses so push the mute/alt buss switch on the channel you want to go there.=20 Jeremy www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 > Long time lurker and almost-looper here. Still assembling the necessary > parts but just about there. >=20 > Here's my question for you all: During a live set, for some songs I want > to route a guitar synth signal through an EDP and a variety of other > effects (frippertronics sorts of things). But, for other songs in the > same set I want to blend the synth and guitar signal (i.e., mag pickups) > such that the signal from the mag pickups now goes through the same EDP > and effects combination, and the guitar synth signal now goes straight to > the mixing board (unaffected, as it were). I can easily switch between > pure synth and blend of mag pickups & synth, no problem there. But I > can't see how I can easily rearrange the pathways without pulling out > patch cables and rewiring between songs, or without spending $$$ for > something like a sound sculpture switchblade. Seems like some kind of A/= B > box might do the trick but I don't know. Any ideas would be much > appreciated! >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew Prull >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3199488347_381953 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: signal routing question Easiest way would be:

- Synth to one channel of your mixer,
- Mag pickups (through preamp?) to another channel.
- use Aux Sends to route what you want to to EDP and fx combination

You’ll still hear the “dry” signal. Do you want that?


Method two:

If you want everything to go through the fx and you have something like a M= ackie 1202 then you can have the EDP / fx combination being fed from the alt= busses so push the mute/alt buss switch on the channel you want to go there= .


Jeremy
www.masse.org.uk





Long time lurker and almost-looper here.  Still assembling the necessa= ry
parts but just about there.

Here's my question for you all:  During a live set, for some songs I w= ant
to route a guitar synth signal through an EDP and a variety of other
effects (frippertronics sorts of things).  But, for other songs in the=
same set I want to blend the synth and guitar signal (i.e., mag pickups) such that the signal from the mag pickups now goes through the same EDP
and effects combination, and the guitar synth signal now goes straight to the mixing board (unaffected, as it were).  I can easily switch betwee= n
pure synth and blend of mag pickups & synth, no problem there.  Bu= t I
can't see how I can easily rearrange the pathways without pulling out
patch cables and rewiring between songs, or without spending $$$ for
something like a sound sculpture switchblade.  Seems like some kind of= A/B
box might do the trick but I don't know.  Any ideas would be much
appreciated!

Cheers,

Matthew Prull




 --B_3199488347_381953-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 21:48:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L1lP014055; Fri, 20 May 2005 21:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:47:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=D36PtoBVatn7TTwP9+e7xDEdue7MiNYMIikliuIZUKA6UOE1kau+vLJ2QExd7btz; Message-ID: <410-22005562115052810@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:50:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94035f491d6a2e924589a35705d0e23d75c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's my 2 cents' worth... I've belonged to ASCAP for a few years now, and I've even been mentioned in their Playback magazine, but even though they seem like nice people, overall I'd say they have been as useless to me as teats on a boar, or screen doors on a submarine. I may have to look into some of their membership discounts more closely, because that may be the only way I can benefit from membership; I certainly am not going to get a nickel from their f**ed-over measurement system. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: hazard factor > To: > Date: 5/20/2005 2:48:47 PM > Subject: RE: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing > > I totally understand this viewpoint, and the one that punishes musicians > who do cover tunes...what if the original music the performer is playing is > licensed though (just extremely unknown?)? There are lots of original > performers around here that belong to BMI and ASCAP. While my check from > ASCAP is small, I do, however have access to pretty good dental insurance as > well a gear insurance and discounts on lots of other stuff. > > These days, if you have a bar, you have to pay to show NFL games, etc..it is > part of the costs of doing business. In the end, I would rather see money go > to professional musicians rather than sports teams. Looking at it from the > other side, if a coffeehouse pays ASCAP, they *just might* realize that > music is worth paying for. If they refuse to pay, why play there? > > I have done many free shows at coffeehouses, performing for grateful owners > who genuinely are living week-to-week, and want to support original live > music. > I have also played for owners that drive up at 12am in their Very Expensive > Car, count the money, grumble a bit, and then leave $10 less than we agreed > upon for the musician (me). If this guy has to play ASCAP, BMI or any other > organization, I honestly don't care. (BTW, I refused future bookings at this > place). > > There are no easy solutions, but if ASCAP can help me out when I had all 4 > wisdom teeth pulled last year (a few $k, normally, about $700 for me), that > does help. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > The 60's may be "so over", but the idea of intellectual > > property has taken a serious hit in recent years. BMI and > > ASCAP are still clinging to a business model from decades ago > > when the means of production were much more concentrated than > > they ever will be again. And most local musicians will never > > see any significant money from BMI or ASCAP because it's got > > no efficient way of measuring what music is actually being > > played and performed and because most grass-roots musicians > > receive negligable airplay. > > > > I suspect that there's a lot of small venues who aren't going > > to pay for performance licenses and are just going to stop > > having live music, which isn't good for music, and probably > > not good for the music industry in the long run. You can't > > choke off the minor leagues like that without seeing a > > dropoff in the talent pool a few years down the road. As far > > as I'm concerned, BMI, ASCAP and the Musician's Union are > > worthless to me. The only time I hear about them is when > > they take opportunities away from musicians, because there's > > more of us on the bottom than the top. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 21:52:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L1nrw14444; Fri, 20 May 2005 21:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:49:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=aF0tTMrZn+cZqfcmD6rYP3PhAfEKc5OI2WuRiiumQRNtxHGxidOrjpBgLOtIl5sW; Message-ID: <410-22005562115324350@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ELP and directional bass Re: Re: surround looping Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:53:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94055d115ca5d0c78b43ad6f77f9b000d01350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm with Richard: There's a song on Emerson, Lake, and Palmer's first album where Greg Lake's fuzz bass is panned vigrously... sure seems directional to me. ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Richard Zvonar > To: Jon Southwood ; > Date: 5/20/2005 2:54:09 PM > Subject: Re: Re: surround looping > > At 1:14 PM -0500 5/20/05, Jon Southwood wrote: > >Regarding the 10.2 and the 16.8.1, I have to ask a potentially > >stupid question: > > > >I was always under the impression (having it read it many times) that > >the low frequencies for which a subwoofer is designed to reproduce are > >not 'directional'. By that, I mean (in case my terminology is off > >[likely]) that one cannot determine the direction from which the low > >frequencies came, or rather one cannot 'locate' the source of the low > >frequencies. > > I don't agree with this "truism" about bass having no directionality. > It's simply more difficult to localize bass frequencies, but given > that you hear bass with your whole body I think you can perceive > where different bass sounds are coming from. > > In a complex system with many speakers I think it works pretty well > to use multiple subs. This is especially true in a listening > environment such as a club where the audience is free to circulate. > > Also be aware that in a specialized setup the crossover frequency > could be tweaked to suit the combination of speakers and architecture. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 21:57:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L1sCS15437; Fri, 20 May 2005 21:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Posting in the tiniest print possible Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:53:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVdpoGW6EL5NBBIQQW6aUjFlK9TyQAALgdA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050521015340.BTDM7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Message from Jeremy [mailto:listing.to.port@masse.org.uk] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Matthew W. Prull Subject: Re: signal routing question Was in HTML and tiny print--it should be noted that whenever possible, one should post in Plain Text--that wot Kim likes and he owns the joint. Altho many do not--but it's that tiny print that gives me pause. Tryin' to keep the 60's alive, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 22:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L25ap18164; Fri, 20 May 2005 22:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:05:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jUFIL+o8AULUBNmjrRzMPO1HDi0w2lLdjnnj2i3a/2FFWcNXZuBfERoT96l45jKu; Message-ID: <410-220055621296650@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940deef509f892679901fd8a46cf09a610c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Interesting thoughts, Ted: ASCAP/BMI are necessary, "little fish" do deserve wiggle room, and we do have to counter this war against intellectual property rights, if I'm reading you right. ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/20/2005 12:07:13 PM Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Travis, et al, In a message dated 05/20/05 2:48:37, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=46&itemID=9106&pg=all Well, all I can say to them is more power to them. This is not news. Intellectual property rights, recording, publishing and performing rights were not invented yesterday. It's only been in recent years, when blatant piracy has become so egregious and ubiquitous that we now tend to hear of the guys who collect royalties for us (if we've bothered to join BMI or ASCAP and have been lucky enough to get airplay) as THE BAD GUYS. I do not make a living from my music but I DO get a tiny little quarterly check from ASCAP which I am mighty pleased (and even proud) to have. If I didn't get that I'd hardly get paid for my music at all -- most venues being what they are (and my music being what it is -- rather "difficult listening" anyway). If one venue in five pays anything I'd be amazed. If I didn't have CDs to sell at gigs I'd make no profit at all (if you can call that profit). Heheheh. I am not an ASCAP/BMI "nazi." I believe there should be some "wiggle room" for the small fish in the pond -- performers and coffee-shop owners whose impact, individually, is so small as to be inconsequential (and for other artists who want to cop a riff and/or slice 'n' dice something into a totally new piece). But doggone if I think it'd be a good thing if (and that's a mighty big "if") someone were to use MY music in a way that made THEM money and I never even get so much as a "thank you." I have to scratch and fight for every nickel I get already in my day job just to keep going and doing this thing I love to do -- which as you ALL know is soooooo darn expensive . . . and, at the end of the day, to put meals in the mouths and a roof over the heads of my family. I am glad there is someone out there like ASCAP watching out for my interests in an active, even aggressive way. Perhaps it's easy for me to say 'cause I don't do covers publicly . . . and never have done them outside the confines of my own home. If I were a looping "folkie" or pop "standards" (top 40, rock, jazz or country) musician perhaps I'd feel very differently. As listeners, music surrounds us and is given away freely everywhere every day. This tends to make us think it ought to be free for us too in every other situation. Or, maybe, it's so a part of our environment that we think it's "ours." We think of proprietarily of it even when it's not ours. Last time I checked, the '60s were soooooo over. The notion that all things should be free and no one should own anything in a total hippie anarchist paradise is one that easily collapsed as soon as those hippies grew up, got jobs and had kids (been there, done that, bought the t-shirt). Speaking of coffeshops, I am quite sure the reason that $tarbuck$ sells the musical artist anthology/collection CDs it does in its franchises is so they can cover all the bases, have the music, pay the royalties due, and sell a few CDs too (to defray costs) on top of it all. I know that they are a company a lot of us love to hate as the "Walmart of coffeehouses," but you have to admit it's a pretty smart scheme. And . . . the artists . . . or their heirs and estate managers get paid (as they should). Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Interesting thoughts, Ted:  ASCAP/BMI are necessary, "little fish" do deserve wiggle room, and we do have to counter this war against intellectual property rights, if I'm reading you right.
~Tim 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 5/20/2005 12:07:13 PM
Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing

Travis, et al,

In a message dated 05/20/05 2:48:37, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:

I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which
now requires all performers to play 100% original music.  Now, to me
this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling:

  http://www.rakemag.com/printable.asp?catID=46&itemID=9106&pg=all

Well, all I can say to them is more power to them. This is not news.
Intellectual property rights, recording, publishing and performing rights
were not invented yesterday. It's only been in recent years, when blatant
piracy has become so egregious and ubiquitous that we now tend to hear
of the guys who collect royalties for us (if we've bothered to join BMI or
ASCAP and have been lucky enough to get airplay) as THE BAD GUYS.

I do not make a living from my music but I DO get a tiny little quarterly
check from ASCAP which I am mighty pleased (and even proud) to have.
If I didn't get that I'd hardly get paid for my music at all -- most venues
being what they are (and my music being what it is -- rather "difficult
listening" anyway). If one venue in five pays anything I'd be amazed.
If I didn't have CDs to sell at gigs I'd make no profit at all (if you can
call that profit). Heheheh.

I am not an ASCAP/BMI "nazi." I believe there should be some "wiggle
room" for the small fish in the pond -- performers and coffee-shop owners
whose impact, individually, is so small as to be inconsequential (and for
other artists who want to cop a riff and/or slice 'n' dice something into
a totally new piece). But doggone if I think it'd be a good thing if (and
that's a mighty big "if") someone were to use MY music in a way that
made THEM money and I never even get so much as a "thank you."

I have to scratch and fight for every nickel I get already in my day job
just to keep going and doing this thing I love to do -- which as you ALL
know is soooooo darn expensive . . . and, at the end of the day, to put
meals in the mouths and a roof over the heads of my family. I am
glad there is someone out there like ASCAP watching out for my
interests in an active, even aggressive way.

Perhaps it's easy for me to say 'cause I don't do covers publicly . . . and
never have done them outside the confines of my own home. If I were a
looping "folkie" or pop "standards" (top 40, rock, jazz or country) musician
perhaps I'd feel very differently. As listeners, music surrounds us and is
given away freely everywhere every day. This tends to make us think
it ought to be free for us too in every other situation. Or, maybe, it's so
a part of our environment that we think it's "ours." We think of proprietarily
of it even when it's not ours.

Last time I checked, the '60s were soooooo over. The notion that all things
should be free and no one should own anything in a total hippie anarchist
paradise is one that easily collapsed as soon as those hippies grew up,
got jobs and had kids (been there, done that, bought the t-shirt).

Speaking of coffeshops, I am quite sure the reason that $tarbuck$ sells
the musical artist anthology/collection CDs it does in its franchises is
so they can cover all the bases, have the music, pay the royalties due,
and sell a few CDs too (to defray costs) on top of it all. I know that they
are a company a lot of us love to hate as the "Walmart of coffeehouses,"
but you have to admit it's a pretty smart scheme. And . . . the artists . . .
or their heirs and estate managers get paid (as they should).

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 22:13:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L2BqG18976; Fri, 20 May 2005 22:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DGVy/r4QjPt/ok9NA4lpUf2Ja9DxNZcUY7W1HwibZW6io+TKYyRltTwHKb63IK5RkLRoF3hF7LnmIoSjZ3LSxoMUHbihKfpF52HxlyPtkyvTQ6DCG6S+HzZMtXubCpB4AdDlzOUTlClWBCWnD+XxSwbEuqoPn55+A39lqTMJ7ek= Message-ID: <26ba8d120505201910467809e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:10:58 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Posting in the tiniest print possible In-Reply-To: <20050521015340.BTDM7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050521015340.BTDM7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4L2Awx18884 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well-behaved mail systems (like gmail, plug plug plug) should send plain text as the default setting. Ninety-nine of one hundred emails I send have no need for any sort of formatting at all. On 5/20/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Message from Jeremy [mailto:listing.to.port@masse.org.uk] > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: Matthew W. Prull > Subject: Re: signal routing question > > Was in HTML and tiny print--it should be noted that whenever possible, one > should post in Plain Text--that wot Kim likes and he owns the joint. > Altho many do not--but it's that tiny print that gives me pause. > Tryin' to keep the 60's alive, > Gary > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 20 23:31:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L3TGx26894; Fri, 20 May 2005 23:29:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 23:29:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <62.5567beaa.2fc004ec@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 23:28:44 EDT Subject: "VOICES OF THE WORLD" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.5567beaa.2fc004ec_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_62.5567beaa.2fc004ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/20/05 6:32:58 PM, tom.ritchford@gmail.com writes: > "VOICES OF THE WORLD" > > tom.....that's the name that comes up on my i-tunes info line.....and that was the name i was told these cd's were.....i did a search also and was surprised by the lack of info.....i don't know, but they are way fun recordings, at least 120 (2-3 min) tunes, chants etc.....there is one done called TROIS JEUX DeGORGE, KATAJJAQ.....an INUIT recording and the cd is called "VOICES OF THE WORLD-ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION (VOL1)".....way crazy stuff.....that's the info, at least on the disks i was given.....perhaps i've been dupped and this is really some crazy alien loopers.....sorry i can't help ya!.....mic --part1_62.5567beaa.2fc004ec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/20/05 6:32:58 PM,= tom.ritchford@gmail.com writes:



"VOICES OF THE WORLD"=



tom.....that's the name that comes up on my i-tunes info line.....and that w= as the name i was told these cd's were.....i did a search also and was surpr= ised by the lack of info.....i don't know, but they are way fun recordings,=20= at least 120 (2-3 min) tunes, chants etc.....there is one done called TROIS=20= JEUX DeGORGE, KATAJJAQ.....an INUIT recording and the cd is called "VOICES O= F THE WORLD-ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION (VOL1)".....way crazy stuff.....th= at's the info, at least on the disks i was given.....perhaps i've been duppe= d and this is really some crazy alien loopers.....sorry i can't help ya!....= .mic --part1_62.5567beaa.2fc004ec_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 00:12:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L49BE00393; Sat, 21 May 2005 00:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:07:29 EDT Subject: Re: voices of the world To: Nemoguitt@aol.com, tom@swirly.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.26a6b28f.2fc00e01_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d8.26a6b28f.2fc00e01_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_d8.26a6b28f.2fc00e01_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --part1_d8.26a6b28f.2fc00e01_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 00:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L467M32581; Sat, 21 May 2005 00:06:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:06:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.45c137e5.2fc00d80@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:05:20 EDT Subject: voices of the world To: tom@swirly.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6d.45c137e5.2fc00d80_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6d.45c137e5.2fc00d80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/20/05 11:44:53 PM, tom.ritchford@gmail.com writes: > anthology of vocal expression -- found!=A0 and I found it from an Amazon > seller for $25 including an accompanying book. >=20 >=20 tom.....did they mention the other 2 cds......ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION=20 (DISC 2) and AN ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION-POLYPHONY.....much of this mus= ic=20 is loop-a-dillic and it is so humbling that all they use are their=20 voices.....mic --part1_6d.45c137e5.2fc00d80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/20/05 11:44:53 PM, tom.ritchford@gmail.com writes:


anthology of vocal ex= pression -- found!=A0 and I found it from an Amazon
seller for $25 including an accompanying book.


tom.....did they mention the other 2 cds......ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION=20= (DISC 2) and AN ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION-POLYPHONY.....much of this mus= ic is loop-a-dillic and it is so humbling that all they use are their voices= .....mic
 --part1_6d.45c137e5.2fc00d80_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 01:25:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L5NXo11767; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 01:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Remote-IP: 213.191.142.122 X-Remote-IP: 213.191.130.96 From: "ivan" Sender: "ivan kapec" To: Subject: ODG: Boss DD-20 review Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 07:22:54 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c55dc5$24f0aba0$6082bfd5@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C55DD5.E8797BA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006f01c55af5$71704e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C55DD5.E8797BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I have DD-20 already one year, and I think that I don=B4t use all possibilitis, Please, send one to me.. Thanks, =20 =20 ivan kapec www.soundclick.com/ivankapec ivan kapec home page =20 -----Izvorna poruka----- =8Aalje: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]=20 Poslano: 17. svibanj 2005 17:31 Prima: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Predmet: Boss DD-20 review =20 Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. dB =20 (insert Hunter S. Thompson quote here) __________ NOD32 1.1100 (20050518) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C55DD5.E8797BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I have DD-20 already one year, and I think that I = don=B4t use all possibilitis,

Please, send one to me..

Thanks,

 

 

 

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Predmet: Boss DD-20 = review

 

Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 = words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of = The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part = of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make = it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even = send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole = document.

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C55DD5.E8797BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 03:40:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L7cJ730760; Sat, 21 May 2005 03:38:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 03:38:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> References: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-914872009 Message-Id: <210CD5CA-C9CB-11D9-A49B-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:37:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6-914872009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which > now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: > I am not an expert on this but some what well informed. Its really pretty simple, you pay a blanket license to cover all of the artists that BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the owner of the coffee shop in question did not want to pay this. You also have the right to not pay the blanket license and do a separate contract for each song played in your public venue, but that sure seems like a lot more hassle than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred bucks a year or less. Music is an integral part of the experience of most restaurants or coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day for that hardly seems unfair. They make more than that off selling me one iced coffee. As a guy that makes 100% of his living in music, I have to say I like the idea of other business that benefit from our labor, kicking in a couple bucks. Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto West Music, BMI) Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-6-914872009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: I am not an expert on this but some what well informed. Its really pretty simple, you pay a blanket license to cover all of the artists that BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the owner of the coffee shop in question did not want to pay this. You also have the right to not pay the blanket license and do a separate contract for each song played in your public venue, but that sure seems like a lot more hassle than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred bucks a year or less. Music is an integral part of the experience of most restaurants or coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day for that hardly seems unfair. They make more than that off selling me one iced coffee. As a guy that makes 100% of his living in music, I have to say I like the idea of other business that benefit from our labor, kicking in a couple bucks. Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto West Music, BMI) Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-6-914872009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 03:51:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L7nav31915; Sat, 21 May 2005 03:49:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 03:49:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hN2Eaix0VjvEIrxCWRmRaetN+RZd0YXrorTU15cepULViqZLDRS/SiT+Nno23U6I7P75UUnpLTb0nZpqV6WGPzSWDhb1Pg4NBjjj9oE2GdAFo3CWjOejdI3MY+JsQJh2dtSBDOnfva0gMQ+wfqAQc9H54AP0x/fd5AvFgHwitUs= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:48:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing In-Reply-To: <210CD5CA-C9CB-11D9-A49B-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> <210CD5CA-C9CB-11D9-A49B-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4L7mwx31724 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The irony of these shops coughing up money to ASCAP or BMI for a performance license, which often has nothing to do with the actual performers in that shop (leaving aside the stuff played on the CD player) yet still not paying the performers directly (the usual coffeshop deal) is painfully humorous. Most coffeshops don't have a dedicated performance area (such as a stage) and just move a couple of tables out of the way to make space. Thus, the number of paying tables available for the evening is fewer for music nights, so the music has to justify an automatic income decrease of say, fifty dollars from those tables over the course of the night. But, life goes on. On 5/21/05, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) > On May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which > > now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me > > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: > > > > I am not an expert on this but some what well informed. Its really > pretty simple, you pay a blanket license to cover all of the artists > that BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the owner of the coffee > shop in question did not want to pay this. You also have the right to > not pay the blanket license and do a separate contract for each song > played in your public venue, but that sure seems like a lot more hassle > than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred bucks a year or less. > Music is an integral part of the experience of most restaurants or > coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day for that hardly seems > unfair. They make more than that off selling me one iced coffee. > > As a guy that makes 100% of his living in music, I have to say I like > the idea of other business that benefit from our labor, kicking in a > couple bucks. > > Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto West Music, BMI) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 05:07:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4L8x6T08675; Sat, 21 May 2005 04:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 04:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050520224132.02d9c7b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:55:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Surround Sound In-Reply-To: <200505201814.j4KIELU03566@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505201814.j4KIELU03566@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 19:14 20/05/05, you wrote: >>The 0.1 in 5.1 is for one tenth of >the frequency range ....20,000/10 = >>2000Hz , which makes it a >regular "woofer". > > >Who originally wrote this? It is completely WRONG! :-) it was me the figure 2000Hz is so obviously wrong it that it was just waiting to be corrected. The idea that the .1 stands for a portion of the frequency range is not my own invention, probably originating from Studio Sound magazine. (in terms of octaves, it's about right) >The ".1," which was a terminology originally coined by Tomlinson Holman >during his Lucasfilm THX period, has nothing to do with frequency ratios >or any other sort of calculationl. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 09:49:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LDlKq11946; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:47:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=T/kzEZtkf/AS3y/kSmLcoXRyI5LNb1DysZHkzzlf1kF9LeAd9TZOaFGHpcNZ7Y2IiA2/VPnZ1NBN3X9gTU35FqcebAzv4dznOWnuqE5lVXqzM+gyMIBabf5PURTbiHVklWfPk7JzFZPbQz/EsQw70rgo8N27CUYqkeg2e4AsOtI= ; Message-ID: <20050521134635.270.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 06:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Playing devil's advocate... And I'm not sure why I am, because I've been directly affected by this situation personally - my favorite venues in which I play regularly at one time or another have been hunted down by the ASCAP / BMI reps, and the result was that the venues eliminated music completely for a time rather than pay ludicrous fees. On to my point: a coffeeshop is a business. Music acts (or other attractions) are designed to bring more heads in the door to buy more product. If they didn't, the shop most likely wouldn't have those attractions (as long as the musicians are being paid - if they're playing for free then all bets are off ;). I don't think that having two fewer tables available for the evening is going to have the affect you mentioned. Even if the musician doesn't personally bring in a crowd, it's likely (if they're any good) that they will at least retain the crowd that comes in the door long enough to buy an extra drink or two while they're there. The theory also assumes that every table would be filled for the entire evening, which doesn't seem likely to me. Just thinking out loud. =) Mike --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Most coffeshops don't have a dedicated performance > area (such as a > stage) and just move a couple of tables out of the > way to make space. > Thus, the number of paying tables available for the > evening is fewer > for music nights, so the music has to justify an > automatic income > decrease of say, fifty dollars from those tables > over the course of > the night. > > But, life goes on. > > On 5/21/05, Ronan Chris Murphy > wrote: > > > > Ronan Chris Murphy > > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King > Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around > the world teaching the > > art and craft of recording ) > > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient > noise duo since Sonny & > > Cher) > > On May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > > > > I received an email from the booking agent at a > local coffeeshop which > > > now requires all performers to play 100% > original music. Now, to me > > > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is > chilling: > > > > > > > I am not an expert on this but some what well > informed. Its really > > pretty simple, you pay a blanket license to cover > all of the artists > > that BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the > owner of the coffee > > shop in question did not want to pay this. You > also have the right to > > not pay the blanket license and do a separate > contract for each song > > played in your public venue, but that sure seems > like a lot more hassle > > than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred bucks > a year or less. > > Music is an integral part of the experience of > most restaurants or > > coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day for > that hardly seems > > unfair. They make more than that off selling me > one iced coffee. > > > > As a guy that makes 100% of his living in music, I > have to say I like > > the idea of other business that benefit from our > labor, kicking in a > > couple bucks. > > > > Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto West > Music, BMI) > > > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 10:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LEijN19664; Sat, 21 May 2005 10:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c55e13$808f9450$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> <210CD5CA-C9CB-11D9-A49B-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:43:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <8BJ0FD.A.9xE._k0jCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doh! Repost this time to group! *** All of this would strongly suggest that there should be an alternative to ASCAP and BMI, yes? This thread is one of the great reasons for this list to exist IMNSHO. I had thought in the past that BMI would be a better candidate for a composer/etc whose work leaned more towards film-video-game-internet play, as I'd noticed circa 1996 that ASCAP didn't have much of a strategy regarding anything more modern than film-video-radio play. While this has most likely changed in the past nine years, the feedback from members of both in this thread gives one pause to consider. I too object to the idea of non-played artists I've never heard of being able to be paid despite not being used. As if joining ASCAP or BMI makes one legitimately eligible for A Slice Of The Big Pie - as unreasonable a concept as the dinosaurs at the Musician's Union would have us accept. If nobody listens to my work it's still my Art, and I don't feel that I deserve to be paid just for existing; but if someone uses it in a manner involving some mode of financial profit, I believe I have the right to compensation. Period. I accept of course the fact that a good number of people who work in and around the music business consider it more of an Employment Medium than an Entertainment or Artistic Medium, whether or not I agree with such pathetic, bloodsucking middleman tactics - and one has to navigate those self-appointed Necessary Transactions if you're going to ever get even Distribution, let alone compensation for use-play for your work. In the past I've had membership in either ASCAP or BMI presented to me in a variety of clothes, the most popular being "Don't you want someone to defend your rights to compensation?" (though once I unwisely asked why that wasn't "compensation for use of your work", as this is a different thing altogether). And while I'm rather solid about the rights of the creators of work, I'm not so sure I'm interested in someone representing my work going after something silly like in the case of the Girl Scouts incident. On that level, of strong defense of your IP rights, one wonders if the owners of the works-in-question have the ability to decide whether someone like the Girl Scouts can have free use of the works, or whether entering into an arrangement with ASCAP or BMI means that you'll have to accept whatever actions they perform, and keep your mouth shut. If the latter's the case then it's a bit of a devil's contract, isn't it? In the midst of all this, the Hunter S. Thompson quote doesn't just make sense. And it begs the question, "Where else do you go for this?" Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery "Travis Hartnett" put forth: > The irony of these shops coughing up money to ASCAP or BMI for a > performance license, which often has nothing to do with the actual > performers in that shop (leaving aside the stuff played on the CD > player) yet still not paying the performers directly (the usual > coffeshop deal) is painfully humorous. > > Most coffeshops don't have a dedicated performance area (such as a > stage) and just move a couple of tables out of the way to make space. > Thus, the number of paying tables available for the evening is fewer > for music nights, so the music has to justify an automatic income > decrease of say, fifty dollars from those tables over the course of > the night. > > But, life goes on. > > On 5/21/05, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Ronan Chris Murphy >> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, >> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) >> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the >> art and craft of recording ) >> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & >> Cher) >> On May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >> > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which >> > now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me >> > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: >> > >> >> I am not an expert on this but some what well informed. Its really >> pretty simple, you pay a blanket license to cover all of the artists >> that BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the owner of the coffee >> shop in question did not want to pay this. You also have the right to >> not pay the blanket license and do a separate contract for each song >> played in your public venue, but that sure seems like a lot more hassle >> than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred bucks a year or less. >> Music is an integral part of the experience of most restaurants or >> coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day for that hardly seems >> unfair. They make more than that off selling me one iced coffee. >> >> As a guy that makes 100% of his living in music, I have to say I like >> the idea of other business that benefit from our labor, kicking in a >> couple bucks. >> >> Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto West Music, BMI) >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 10:54:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LEqcR20633; Sat, 21 May 2005 10:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050521134635.270.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050521134635.270.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <37E29565-1D5A-41AA-B918-24556355F1CE@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erland Subject: looking for looper Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:52:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hardware live dl-4 style loop on fly min. 2 tracks undo ft. midi master sync does it exist? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 11:06:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LF4Hj23488; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:04:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:04:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02fb01c55e17$2d3bf510$6401a8c0@obunny> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: References: <63083ac829fe13f2cd7361aa9812e4a5@sprintmail.com> <210CD5CA-C9CB-11D9-A49B-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> <001201c55e13$808f9450$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:10:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F8_01C55DF5.A561FC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F8_01C55DF5.A561FC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW:=20 I've watched artists in Canada filling out forms after a gig to be sent = to CAPAC (? is that right? Canadian equivalent of ASCAP, anyhow), to = ensure that their music got noted and they got their share of the pie = that seems mostly to go to Brian Adams and Shania Twain. They included = what they played that night, and who the composer, etc., was. Is there an equivalent in the US/elsewhere? Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SP Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Doh! Repost this time to group! *** All of this would strongly suggest that there should be an alternative = to=20 ASCAP and BMI, yes? This thread is one of the great reasons for this list to exist IMNSHO. I had thought in the past that BMI would be a better candidate for a=20 composer/etc whose work leaned more towards film-video-game-internet = play,=20 as I'd noticed circa 1996 that ASCAP didn't have much of a strategy=20 regarding anything more modern than film-video-radio play. While this = has=20 most likely changed in the past nine years, the feedback from members = of=20 both in this thread gives one pause to consider. I too object to the idea of non-played artists I've never heard of = being=20 able to be paid despite not being used. As if joining ASCAP or BMI = makes=20 one legitimately eligible for A Slice Of The Big Pie - as unreasonable = a=20 concept as the dinosaurs at the Musician's Union would have us accept. = If=20 nobody listens to my work it's still my Art, and I don't feel that I = deserve=20 to be paid just for existing; but if someone uses it in a manner = involving=20 some mode of financial profit, I believe I have the right to = compensation.=20 Period. I accept of course the fact that a good number of people who work in = and=20 around the music business consider it more of an Employment Medium = than an=20 Entertainment or Artistic Medium, whether or not I agree with such = pathetic,=20 bloodsucking middleman tactics - and one has to navigate those=20 self-appointed Necessary Transactions if you're going to ever get even = Distribution, let alone compensation for use-play for your work. In = the=20 past I've had membership in either ASCAP or BMI presented to me in a = variety=20 of clothes, the most popular being "Don't you want someone to defend = your=20 rights to compensation?" (though once I unwisely asked why that wasn't = "compensation for use of your work", as this is a different thing=20 altogether). And while I'm rather solid about the rights of the = creators of=20 work, I'm not so sure I'm interested in someone representing my work = going=20 after something silly like in the case of the Girl Scouts incident. = On that=20 level, of strong defense of your IP rights, one wonders if the owners = of the=20 works-in-question have the ability to decide whether someone like the = Girl=20 Scouts can have free use of the works, or whether entering into an=20 arrangement with ASCAP or BMI means that you'll have to accept = whatever=20 actions they perform, and keep your mouth shut. If the latter's the = case=20 then it's a bit of a devil's contract, isn't it? In the midst of all this, the Hunter S. Thompson quote doesn't just = make=20 sense. And it begs the question, "Where else do you go for this?" Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery "Travis Hartnett" put forth: > The irony of these shops coughing up money to ASCAP or BMI for a > performance license, which often has nothing to do with the actual > performers in that shop (leaving aside the stuff played on the CD > player) yet still not paying the performers directly (the usual > coffeshop deal) is painfully humorous. > > Most coffeshops don't have a dedicated performance area (such as a > stage) and just move a couple of tables out of the way to make = space. > Thus, the number of paying tables available for the evening is fewer > for music nights, so the music has to justify an automatic income > decrease of say, fifty dollars from those tables over the course of > the night. > > But, life goes on. > > On 5/21/05, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Ronan Chris Murphy >> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho = Valdes, >> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) >> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching = the >> art and craft of recording ) >> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny = & >> Cher) >> On May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >> > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop = which >> > now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to = me >> > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: >> > >> >> I am not an expert on this but some what well informed. Its really >> pretty simple, you pay a blanket license to cover all of the = artists >> that BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the owner of the = coffee >> shop in question did not want to pay this. You also have the right = to >> not pay the blanket license and do a separate contract for each = song >> played in your public venue, but that sure seems like a lot more = hassle >> than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred bucks a year or less. >> Music is an integral part of the experience of most restaurants or >> coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day for that hardly seems >> unfair. They make more than that off selling me one iced coffee. >> >> As a guy that makes 100% of his living in music, I have to say I = like >> the idea of other business that benefit from our labor, kicking in = a >> couple bucks. >> >> Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto West Music, BMI) >> > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_02F8_01C55DF5.A561FC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
FWIW:
 
I've watched artists in Canada filling = out forms=20 after a gig to be sent to CAPAC (? is that right?  Canadian = equivalent of=20 ASCAP, anyhow), to ensure that their music got noted and they got their = share of=20 the pie that seems mostly to go to Brian Adams and Shania Twain.  = They=20 included what they played that night, and who the composer, etc.,=20 was.
 
Is there an equivalent in the=20 US/elsewhere?
 
Dave O'Heare
oheareATmagmaDOTca
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SP=20 Goodman
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 = 10:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and = music=20 licensing

Doh!  Repost this time to group!

***
All = of this=20 would strongly suggest that there should be an alternative to =
ASCAP and=20 BMI, yes?

This thread is one of the great reasons for this list = to=20 exist IMNSHO.

I had thought in the past that BMI would be a = better=20 candidate for a
composer/etc whose work leaned more towards=20 film-video-game-internet play,
as I'd noticed circa 1996 that = ASCAP didn't=20 have much of a strategy
regarding anything more modern than=20 film-video-radio play.  While this has
most likely changed in = the=20 past nine years, the feedback from members of
both in this thread = gives=20 one pause to consider.

I too object to the idea of non-played = artists=20 I've never heard of being
able to be paid despite not being = used.  As=20 if joining ASCAP or BMI makes
one legitimately eligible for A = Slice Of The=20 Big Pie - as unreasonable a
concept as the dinosaurs at the = Musician's=20 Union would have us accept.  If
nobody listens to my work = it's still=20 my Art, and I don't feel that I deserve
to be paid just for = existing; but=20 if someone uses it in a manner involving
some mode of financial = profit, I=20 believe I have the right to compensation.
Period.

I accept = of=20 course the fact that a good number of people who work in and =
around the=20 music business consider it more of an Employment Medium than an=20
Entertainment or Artistic Medium, whether or not I agree with such = pathetic,
bloodsucking middleman tactics - and one has to navigate = those=20
self-appointed Necessary Transactions if you're going to ever get = even=20
Distribution, let alone compensation for use-play for your = work.  In=20 the
past I've had membership in either ASCAP or BMI presented to = me in a=20 variety
of clothes, the most popular being "Don't you want someone = to=20 defend your
rights to compensation?" (though once I unwisely asked = why=20 that wasn't
"compensation for use of your work", as this is a = different=20 thing
altogether).  And while I'm rather solid about the = rights of=20 the creators of
work, I'm not so sure I'm interested in someone=20 representing my work going
after something silly like in the case = of the=20 Girl Scouts incident.  On that
level, of strong defense of = your IP=20 rights, one wonders if the owners of the
works-in-question have = the=20 ability to decide whether someone like the Girl
Scouts can have = free use=20 of the works, or whether entering into an
arrangement with ASCAP = or BMI=20 means that you'll have to accept whatever
actions they perform, = and keep=20 your mouth shut.  If the latter's the case
then it's a bit of = a=20 devil's contract, isn't it?

In the midst of all this, the = Hunter S.=20 Thompson quote doesn't just make
sense.  And it begs the = question,=20 "Where else do you go for this?"

Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons = about=20 DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.medialinenews.com* http://www.earthlight.net/= HiddenTrack
*=20 http://www.earthlight.net/Gall= ery

"Travis=20 Hartnett" <travishartnett@gmail.com>= put=20 forth:
> The irony of these shops coughing up money to ASCAP or = BMI for=20 a
> performance license, which often has nothing to do with the=20 actual
> performers in that shop (leaving aside the stuff played = on the=20 CD
> player) yet still not paying the performers directly (the=20 usual
> coffeshop deal) is painfully humorous.
>
> = Most=20 coffeshops don't have a dedicated performance area (such as a
> = stage)=20 and just move a couple of tables out of the way to make space.
> = Thus,=20 the number of paying tables available for the evening is fewer
> = for=20 music nights, so the music has to justify an automatic income
> = decrease=20 of say, fifty dollars from those tables over the course of
> the = night.
>
> But, life goes on.
>
> On 5/21/05, = Ronan=20 Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com>=20 wrote:
>>
>> Ronan Chris Murphy
>> www.venetowest.com (Production = &=20 mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
>> Steve Morse, Terry = Bozzio,=20 CGT...)
>> www.homerecordingbootcamp.c= om=20 (Workshops around the world teaching the
>> art and craft of=20 recording )
>> www.livesofthesaints.net = (The=20 hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
>> = Cher)
>> On=20 May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett = wrote:
>>
>> >=20 I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop=20 which
>> > now requires all performers to play 100% = original=20 music.  Now, to me
>> > this is a good thing, but the = overall=20 effect is chilling:
>> >
>>
>> I am not = an=20 expert on this but some what well informed. Its really
>> = pretty=20 simple, you pay a blanket license to cover all of the = artists
>> that=20 BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the owner of the = coffee
>>=20 shop in question did not want to pay this. You also have the right=20 to
>> not pay the blanket license and do a separate contract = for each=20 song
>> played in your public venue, but that sure seems like = a lot=20 more hassle
>> than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred = bucks a=20 year or less.
>> Music is an integral part of the experience = of most=20 restaurants or
>> coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day = for=20 that hardly seems
>> unfair. They make more than that off = selling me=20 one iced coffee.
>>
>> As a guy that makes 100% of = his=20 living in music, I have to say I like
>> the idea of other = business=20 that benefit from our labor, kicking in a
>> couple=20 bucks.
>>
>> Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto = West=20 Music,=20 BMI)
>>
>
>
>
>
>
= ------=_NextPart_000_02F8_01C55DF5.A561FC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 11:16:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LFEVi25406; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c55e17$96b21880$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050521134635.270.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> <37E29565-1D5A-41AA-B918-24556355F1CE@acedsl.com> Subject: Re: looking for looper Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:12:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erland" To: Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: looking for looper > hardware > > live dl-4 style loop on fly > > min. 2 tracks > > undo ft. > > midi master sync > > > does it exist? > > > thanks > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 11:35:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LFY4K27728; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:34:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:34:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Beggar's the Question--was licensing Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:33:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVeFAg1NW972HSZRgqc75/E9pVlAQABXIeQ In-Reply-To: <001201c55e13$808f9450$0207a8c0@eluk1> Message-Id: <20050521153309.YHMT19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing In the midst of all this, the Hunter S. Thompson quote doesn't just make sense. And it begs the question, "Where else do you go for this?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Also http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/begs.html Looping with logic! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 12:08:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LG6YB00382; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:10:53 +0100 Subject: Re: looking for looper From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37E29565-1D5A-41AA-B918-24556355F1CE@acedsl.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Best have a look at the list of hardware and software loopers on Loopers-Delight. When I was starting I downloaded the manuals for everything I was interested in and read them in detail. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > hardware > > live dl-4 style loop on fly > > min. 2 tracks > > undo ft. > > midi master sync > > > does it exist? > > > thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 13:00:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LGijj04284; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erland Subject: Re: looking for looper Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:44:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The closest I can come up with is 2 x EDP, but that's 2 grand if you include a 1010 pedal board. In Musician's Friend it mentions "layering of nine loops" on the EDP. This made me think it has nine tracks. Erland On May 21, 2005, at 12:10 PM, jeremy wrote: > Best have a look at the list of hardware and software loopers on > Loopers-Delight. > > When I was starting I downloaded the manuals for everything I was > interested > in and read them in detail. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > > >> hardware >> >> live dl-4 style loop on fly >> >> min. 2 tracks >> >> undo ft. >> >> midi master sync >> >> >> does it exist? >> >> >> thanks >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 13:18:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LHGZO08912; Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:21:44 +0100 Subject: Re: looking for looper From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not really. In Loop III v5.0 you can share the memory out over nine loops, in Loop IV 16 loops. However you can only play one at a time. EDP is a very subtle interface and very musical because it has been designed and endlessly refined as an interactive performance tool. Read the manual and all the tips and tutorials and get to try one. Worth the effort. Download the manuals for EDP, Repeater and SooperLooper and test what you want to do against what they can do. And then see what they can do for you. Nothing is perfect and what will suit one person will not be right for someone else's approach. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > The closest I can come up with is 2 x EDP, but that's 2 grand if you > include a 1010 pedal board. > > In Musician's Friend it mentions "layering of nine loops" on the EDP. > This made me think it has nine tracks. > > Erland > > > On May 21, 2005, at 12:10 PM, jeremy wrote: > >> Best have a look at the list of hardware and software loopers on >> Loopers-Delight. >> >> When I was starting I downloaded the manuals for everything I was >> interested >> in and read them in detail. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Jeremy >> >> http://www.masse.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >>> hardware >>> >>> live dl-4 style loop on fly >>> >>> min. 2 tracks >>> >>> undo ft. >>> >>> midi master sync >>> >>> >>> does it exist? >>> >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 14:46:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LIj4d18713; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <428F834C.3000408@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:51:56 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: surround looping References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A081@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > it's very depressing, all this, for it's true. despite the exciting > prospect of multi-channel music production, both studio & stage, there > really isn't much call for it, even with the most immersive & abstract > instrumentation. Hi Duncan, If RMI want to do four channel sound at the next Gathering, I'd be happy to bring a pair of nice JBL speakers on stands and a stereo power amp suitable for use in St. Mary's to suppliment Chuck's system. > Then there are the practical difficulties- multi-channel delivery > formats have yet to settle down unless you're in the movie business, & > even then it tends to be a bit fireworky, detracting from the main > body of the action. directors regard it as a necessary evil. Robin Miller, who lives near me in Bethlehem, PA, used to be a filmmaker. He is now somewhat of a multichannel audio expert. He has conducted experiments that seem to indicate that subwoofers in fact do contain spacial information. A church organ recording was used in the tests and two subwoofers were better than one at creating a realistic sense of being there. Sure, low frequencies might be omnidirectional, but they still take time to travel through space and the resulting phase relationships need to be preserved in order to keep information that is lost when using only one subwoofer... if I understand what Robin's friend told me. Cheers, Bill Fox P.S. You can hear Duncan's RMI mates in an interview the last time RMI played in Philadelphia. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/podcasts.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 15:11:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LJ9nJ22440; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qF5py/pMf2SIxBq3wgxnq0GqvrIzpwVw8AmGHrR9cnCtb96qmgTAqc0NRdQq3pIYio4LdJe6auGY40vck1ib6xPV+UMp3R1wzuNin8qf414IumA5AlZJLiUg367rBuCTvEu7SChWqGl/r6XVHQGbYfw7W/ltvBZoKcQFiXEdBRw= ; Message-ID: <20050521190915.63720.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had been playing with my band for about four years as a songwriter without receiving a penny playing originals , and many times i was required to fill out the GEMA (ASCAP) songlist.i called them once to find out what was going on and since then ive been receiving very nice checks,dont be afraid to call them! Luis --- hazard factor wrote: > I am not eligible for ASCAP healthcare, and I do > understand the need for > performers to perform. I have no problem with > performers playing for free, > or getting paid- it has to do with the agreement > between the venue and the > artist- they may have their reasons for whatever > they decide. > Cafes here in the Tampa area certainly use live > music as a way to keep their > business going on the weekends- if you shut the > music off, and take the art > off of the walls, certainly business would suffer. I > don't think the > argument is about playing for free- the café would > have to pay these > organizations for playing CDs- even local ones who > happen to be affiliated > with the performing rights organizations. Even if a > TV was on, they have to > pay a different organization. If you own a business, > it just seems this is > the cost of doing business. > As a professional musician, ASCAP has helped me- > even if it is a pain to > business owners. No, I don't think ASCAP is entirely > fair, and personally, I > am distrustful of big organizations. > As a looping artist, it is even harder to find gigs, > and many places are > small mom & pop shops. I don't mind playing for free > there, but if they do > use music to keep people spending money in their > business, I don't mind if > they have to pay ASCAP. > > Dave Eichenberger- > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, but as you resent the cafe owner collecting > money at > > the end of a night and driving home in his Merc, > there are > > plenty of coffeehouse musicians who aren't > eligible for ASCAP > > health care who aren't going to be moved by your > dental care > > windfall at the expense of their monthly gig. > > > > The reason to play places that don't pay you is > that the need > > to play music is great, the number of musicians > willing to > > play for no direct monetary compensation is large, > and the > > number of paying places is small. I mean, they > don't pay the > > painters who hang their art on the wall for a > month either, > > but artists need exposure, whereas cafes don't > really need > > local art and music. > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 15:33:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4LJVIc24431; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa.90a49d7.2fc0e645@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:30:13 EDT Subject: Re: Website With MPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1116703813" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5036 Resent-Message-ID: <0m0mJB.A.t6F.Ox4jCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1116703813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/19/2005 10:40:01 PM Central Standard Time,=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: James, In a message dated 05/19/05 15:57:32, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: http://www.myspace.com/jamessidlo Cool James. I think I've said it here before that I ABSOLUTELY FREAKING DIG every disk of your's I've been blessed so far=20 to hear. "Silo 10" is just another in a long string of home runs and another all-around great CD. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn Thanks, Ted. I still dig your cd!! I'd like to do a project with you. It's=20 just finding the time. Could you send me your DD-20 preset times? Hope you'r= e=20 well. James -------------------------------1116703813 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1116703813-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 21:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4M1mQ307197; Sat, 21 May 2005 21:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 21:48:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=ZPkEyr13WePasm1KDxEfcteWU7E6jWHoBE4IywyXxmTeAY1fwTajBmrXmbjk2iaX; Message-ID: <410-22005502215132460@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Peter Grant and the Girl Scouts Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 21:51:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f5ec91b227fef9e7af3296ea41918e7b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.163.87 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "one wonders if the owners of the works-in-question have the ability to decide whether someone like the Girl Scouts can have free use of the works, or whether entering into an arrangement with ASCAP or BMI means that you'll have to accept whatever actions they perform," A very good question! Or, to dress it in the colors of our Led Zeppeling thread, Would we want Peter Grant or Ritchie Cole beating the snot out of somebody on our behalf? ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: SP Goodman > To: > Date: 5/21/2005 10:45:42 AM > Subject: Re: OT: ASCAP/BMI and music licensing > > Doh! Repost this time to group! > > *** > All of this would strongly suggest that there should be an alternative to > ASCAP and BMI, yes? > > This thread is one of the great reasons for this list to exist IMNSHO. > > I had thought in the past that BMI would be a better candidate for a > composer/etc whose work leaned more towards film-video-game-internet play, > as I'd noticed circa 1996 that ASCAP didn't have much of a strategy > regarding anything more modern than film-video-radio play. While this has > most likely changed in the past nine years, the feedback from members of > both in this thread gives one pause to consider. > > I too object to the idea of non-played artists I've never heard of being > able to be paid despite not being used. As if joining ASCAP or BMI makes > one legitimately eligible for A Slice Of The Big Pie - as unreasonable a > concept as the dinosaurs at the Musician's Union would have us accept. If > nobody listens to my work it's still my Art, and I don't feel that I deserve > to be paid just for existing; but if someone uses it in a manner involving > some mode of financial profit, I believe I have the right to compensation. > Period. > > I accept of course the fact that a good number of people who work in and > around the music business consider it more of an Employment Medium than an > Entertainment or Artistic Medium, whether or not I agree with such pathetic, > bloodsucking middleman tactics - and one has to navigate those > self-appointed Necessary Transactions if you're going to ever get even > Distribution, let alone compensation for use-play for your work. In the > past I've had membership in either ASCAP or BMI presented to me in a variety > of clothes, the most popular being "Don't you want someone to defend your > rights to compensation?" (though once I unwisely asked why that wasn't > "compensation for use of your work", as this is a different thing > altogether). And while I'm rather solid about the rights of the creators of > work, I'm not so sure I'm interested in someone representing my work going > after something silly like in the case of the Girl Scouts incident. On that > level, of strong defense of your IP rights, one wonders if the owners of the > works-in-question have the ability to decide whether someone like the Girl > Scouts can have free use of the works, or whether entering into an > arrangement with ASCAP or BMI means that you'll have to accept whatever > actions they perform, and keep your mouth shut. If the latter's the case > then it's a bit of a devil's contract, isn't it? > > In the midst of all this, the Hunter S. Thompson quote doesn't just make > sense. And it begs the question, "Where else do you go for this?" > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.medialinenews.com > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery > > "Travis Hartnett" put forth: > > The irony of these shops coughing up money to ASCAP or BMI for a > > performance license, which often has nothing to do with the actual > > performers in that shop (leaving aside the stuff played on the CD > > player) yet still not paying the performers directly (the usual > > coffeshop deal) is painfully humorous. > > > > Most coffeshops don't have a dedicated performance area (such as a > > stage) and just move a couple of tables out of the way to make space. > > Thus, the number of paying tables available for the evening is fewer > > for music nights, so the music has to justify an automatic income > > decrease of say, fifty dollars from those tables over the course of > > the night. > > > > But, life goes on. > > > > On 5/21/05, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> Ronan Chris Murphy > >> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > >> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > >> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > >> art and craft of recording ) > >> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > >> Cher) > >> On May 20, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> > >> > I received an email from the booking agent at a local coffeeshop which > >> > now requires all performers to play 100% original music. Now, to me > >> > this is a good thing, but the overall effect is chilling: > >> > > >> > >> I am not an expert on this but some what well informed. Its really > >> pretty simple, you pay a blanket license to cover all of the artists > >> that BMI or ASCAP represent. Its apparent that the owner of the coffee > >> shop in question did not want to pay this. You also have the right to > >> not pay the blanket license and do a separate contract for each song > >> played in your public venue, but that sure seems like a lot more hassle > >> than a coffee shop pony-ing up a few hundred bucks a year or less. > >> Music is an integral part of the experience of most restaurants or > >> coffee shops and to pay a buck or two a day for that hardly seems > >> unfair. They make more than that off selling me one iced coffee. > >> > >> As a guy that makes 100% of his living in music, I have to say I like > >> the idea of other business that benefit from our labor, kicking in a > >> couple bucks. > >> > >> Ronan (BMI composer and owner of Veneto West Music, BMI) > >> > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 21 22:47:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4M2k2I13465; Sat, 21 May 2005 22:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 22:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050521190604.084f1fe8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:44:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Posting in the tiniest print possible In-Reply-To: <20050521015340.BTDM7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050521015340.BTDM7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:53 PM 5/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Was in HTML and tiny print--it should be noted that whenever possible, one >should post in Plain Text--that wot Kim likes and he owns the joint. >Altho many do not--but it's that tiny print that gives me pause. It isn't about what I like or don't like. Using plain text to post to mailing lists has been considered good internet etiquette since the beginning of time. Using html has long been considered impolite. So it is really about whether you are being a dick to the list or not. The reasons are many: - There are many different people on a list using many different mail reading programs. These handle html formatting in many different ways. It is very likely that the nice formatting on your screen looks terrible for many other subscribers, or is completely unreadable. In some cases, the non-standard html code used by some popular email programs even causes errors in other programs trying to read it. - html formatted emails are used by hackers and spammers for a variety of evil purposes, to infect and spy on people. For this reason, many prudent people turn off the html features of their mail reading program. This means it is further likely that your html mail will look weird on other people's screen. - html formatting can screw up the digest versions of mailing lists, making the digest hard or impossible to read for many people, even screwing up other people's nice plain text posts. - Also, some people's email programs will view the digest as plain text, and your mail will just look like html code for them. Most people won't bother to try to read your html code and just skip over it. - html formatting adds at least 3 times more crap to your email for the html code. (sometimes waaaayyyy more than that, I've seen a few sentences turn into 200k emails.) This pointlessly wastes bandwidth and disk space for EVERYBODY on the list, not just me and my server. Not everybody on the list has a fast connection or unlimited email disk space. - The extra html code means the digest gets sent out prematurely since you hogged up all the space, further irritating digest readers. - And for all the headaches caused, the html formatting adds no useful content that wasn't already there with the plain text! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 02:58:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4M6ulo12544; Sun, 22 May 2005 02:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 02:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ig0dHUshibmumU7sRN4i4462c8CWHBEK2XFvdsXFu3SEi2X2oIu1R6npqafbgjJbPF1NaHAhZMnCzDjh8qos1m6zQ3/Fbaz3g8eXM++vYfQfG2c+CIWK8n4brrR2zhD2IcCvjP/C+GK1utIBtz5mdWYA339pMWrmpLYlZ1NLWe8= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205052123551a0cbdbe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 02:55:02 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: "Nemoguitt@aol.com" Subject: Re: voices of the world Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6d.45c137e5.2fc00d80@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6d.45c137e5.2fc00d80@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4M6t2x12379 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems to be a triple CD -- so perhaps that's it? We'll see! The internet makes it far, far too easy to purchase music. On 5/21/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/20/05 11:44:53 PM, tom.ritchford@gmail.com writes: > > > > anthology of vocal expression -- found! and I found it from an Amazon > seller for $25 including an accompanying book. > > > tom.....did they mention the other 2 cds......ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION > (DISC 2) and AN ANTHOLOGY OF VOCAL EXPRESSION-POLYPHONY.....much of this > music is loop-a-dillic and it is so humbling that all they use are their > voices.....mic > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 11:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MFqJE14949; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 11:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=icPND6MUBnXoO4dNT8ebv6BUB30M5OTDa0PZVs3b2wHNkhHSV25hFgyrgeu2y0evPBjHsXT94VjDrBV8nlNJnsrYzZ29S2utoG1A7xH/ymqsOdIvr0B5SnCXlAfVj9IMZhdR4Ix7xXkt3u2I1EftoIyU8IcR0PcNo4T749B12mg= ; Message-ID: <20050522155138.66944.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Posting in the tiniest print possible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read my LD list mail on Yahoo's webmail interface. Every now and then I get an html message that renders so tiny that I literally can't read it - and it affects the layout of Yahoo's page, making all other text small also. There's nothing wrong with my eyes, either - I'm 20/20 and use a very sharp LCD display. =) I vote for plain text email as well. Mike --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 06:53 PM 5/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >Was in HTML and tiny print--it should be noted that > whenever possible, one > >should post in Plain Text--that wot Kim likes and > he owns the joint. > >Altho many do not--but it's that tiny print that > gives me pause. > > It isn't about what I like or don't like. Using > plain text to post to > mailing lists has been considered good internet > etiquette since the > beginning of time. Using html has long been > considered impolite. So it is > really about whether you are being a dick to the > list or not. > > The reasons are many: > > - There are many different people on a list using > many different mail > reading programs. These handle html formatting in > many different ways. It > is very likely that the nice formatting on your > screen looks terrible for > many other subscribers, or is completely unreadable. > In some cases, the > non-standard html code used by some popular email > programs even causes > errors in other programs trying to read it. > > - html formatted emails are used by hackers and > spammers for a variety of > evil purposes, to infect and spy on people. For this > reason, many prudent > people turn off the html features of their mail > reading program. This means > it is further likely that your html mail will look > weird on other people's > screen. > > - html formatting can screw up the digest versions > of mailing lists, making > the digest hard or impossible to read for many > people, even screwing up > other people's nice plain text posts. > > - Also, some people's email programs will view the > digest as plain text, > and your mail will just look like html code for > them. Most people won't > bother to try to read your html code and just skip > over it. > > - html formatting adds at least 3 times more crap to > your email for the > html code. (sometimes waaaayyyy more than that, I've > seen a few sentences > turn into 200k emails.) This pointlessly wastes > bandwidth and disk space > for EVERYBODY on the list, not just me and my > server. Not everybody on the > list has a fast connection or unlimited email disk > space. > > - The extra html code means the digest gets sent out > prematurely since you > hogged up all the space, further irritating digest > readers. > > - And for all the headaches caused, the html > formatting adds no useful > content that wasn't already there with the plain > text! > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 12:07:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MG5pr18447; Sun, 22 May 2005 12:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1f7.a469666.2fc20735@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:03:01 EDT Subject: Re: Website With MPS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f7.a469666.2fc20735_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <7OLFhC.A.xaE._0KkCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f7.a469666.2fc20735_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, In a message dated 05/21/05 12:30:37, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: > Thanks, Ted. I still dig your cd!! I'd like to do a project with you.=20 > It's just finding the time. Could you send me your DD-20 preset=20 > times? Hope you're well. >=20 Thanks! I need to do a new one someday soon. I'd love to play with you sometime too but time and logistics make that difficult (the same problem with the CD thang, heheh). The DD-20 settings I usually use are fairly simple: (1) 625ms (or sometimes 1250ms) @ 95% to 99% feedback (2) 2.5 seconds @ 95% to 100% feedback (3) 5 seconds @ 100% feedback (4) 10 seconds @ 100% feedback (5) 20 seconds @ 90% feedback I sometimes vary it by putting the 5, 10 and 20 second loops in slots 2,3 and 4 and put another 5 second loop in reverse mode in slot=20 5 that fades out farily quiclky (a nice way to end or signal a major=20 transition in a piece. I never worked much with the tap-tempo mode on the DD-20. I suppose there's a way to set up loops that are multiples of a basic lenght that way too. I just never got around to it. My only real basic gripe with the DD-20 was that they should've expanded the memory to at least 24 seconds instead of 23 (a prime number). 24 is evenly divisible in so many more=20 convenient ways than is 20. One could go for 3/4 or 6/8 rhythmic settups more easily then. Because the display is so limited, they have to trade out digits at various points making=20 it pretty darn impossible to get the short and long synching loops I want. See you on the funway! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1f7.a469666.2fc20735_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James,

In a message dated 05/21/05 12:30:37, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:

Thanks, Ted. I still d= ig your cd!! I'd like to do a project with you.
It's just finding the time. Could you send me your DD-20 preset
times? Hope you're well.

Thanks! I need to do a new one someday soon. I'd love to play
with you sometime too but time and logistics make that difficult
(the same problem with the CD thang, heheh).

The DD-20 settings I usually use are fairly simple:

(1)          625ms (or sometimes 125= 0ms) @ 95% to 99% feedback
(2)          2.5 seconds @ 95% to=20= 100% feedback
(3)          5 seconds @ 100% feed= back
(4)          10 seconds @ 100% fee= dback
(5)          20 seconds @ 90% feed= back

I sometimes vary it by putting the 5, 10 and 20 second loops in slots
2,3 and 4 and put another 5 second loop in reverse mode in slot
5 that fades out farily quiclky (a nice way to end or signal a major
transition in a piece.

I never worked much with the tap-tempo mode on the DD-20.
I suppose there's a way to set up loops that are multiples of
a basic lenght that way too. I just never got around to it.

My only real basic gripe with the DD-20 was that they should've
expanded the memory to at least 24 seconds instead of 23
(a prime number). 24 is evenly divisible in so many more
convenient ways than is 20. One could go for 3/4 or 6/8
rhythmic settups more easily then. Because the display is so
limited, they have to trade out digits at various points making
it pretty darn impossible to get the short and long synching
loops I want.

See you on the funway!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1f7.a469666.2fc20735_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 13:22:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MHKhS31323; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ted Posts his DD-20 Delay times Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:19:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVe6GnGJMIEau19QauzUMjAz0w17AACdG0w In-Reply-To: <1f7.a469666.2fc20735@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050522171954.YMUK550.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh great! Now there's no way to escape buying one of these. Let's give it a whirl-thanks for sharing Ted. Gary PS My reply wants to be HTML and I'm not gonna let it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 13:58:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MHvF704306; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:57:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050521015340.BTDM7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050521015340.BTDM7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:48:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Posting in the tiniest print possible Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:53 PM -0700 5/20/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Was in HTML and tiny print--it should be noted that whenever >possible, one should post in Plain Text Plain text is the proper way to do it. Anything else is both impolite and impractical. I personally am increasingly less inclined to bother with messages posted in tiny text. Most of the time I just skip those messages. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 14:28:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MIQuD10496; Sun, 22 May 2005 14:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:26:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Posting in the tiniest print possible Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:28:10 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <001a01c55efc$01afb8b0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050521190604.084f1fe8@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <1nvF4.A.DjC.S7MkCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This was an excellent summary on plain-text vs html. Could something like this be automatically sent to new subscribers? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Posting in the tiniest print possible > > > At 06:53 PM 5/20/2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >Was in HTML and tiny print--it should be noted that whenever > possible, one > >should post in Plain Text--that wot Kim likes and he owns the joint. > >Altho many do not--but it's that tiny print that gives me pause. > > It isn't about what I like or don't like. Using plain text to post to > mailing lists has been considered good internet etiquette since the > beginning of time. Using html has long been considered > impolite. So it is > really about whether you are being a dick to the list or not. > > The reasons are many: > > - There are many different people on a list using many different mail > reading programs. These handle html formatting in many > different ways. It > is very likely that the nice formatting on your screen looks > terrible for > many other subscribers, or is completely unreadable. In some > cases, the > non-standard html code used by some popular email programs > even causes > errors in other programs trying to read it. > > - html formatted emails are used by hackers and spammers for > a variety of > evil purposes, to infect and spy on people. For this reason, > many prudent > people turn off the html features of their mail reading > program. This means > it is further likely that your html mail will look weird on > other people's > screen. > > - html formatting can screw up the digest versions of mailing > lists, making > the digest hard or impossible to read for many people, even > screwing up > other people's nice plain text posts. > > - Also, some people's email programs will view the digest as > plain text, > and your mail will just look like html code for them. Most > people won't > bother to try to read your html code and just skip over it. > > - html formatting adds at least 3 times more crap to your > email for the > html code. (sometimes waaaayyyy more than that, I've seen a > few sentences > turn into 200k emails.) This pointlessly wastes bandwidth and > disk space > for EVERYBODY on the list, not just me and my server. Not > everybody on the > list has a fast connection or unlimited email disk space. > > - The extra html code means the digest gets sent out > prematurely since you > hogged up all the space, further irritating digest readers. > > - And for all the headaches caused, the html formatting adds > no useful > content that wasn't already there with the plain text! > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 14:33:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MIVWh11221; Sun, 22 May 2005 14:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bh+BBg/pbinSUjZGnSBeCeaqmrdqdWAC7wAgEEc/Z9H+v5ggJ1FH4Ly6ZhUT2L0C4R9Qa6UksH+TMVBqakh8Uj3LofM2/mIW3Xbf2NFTpdz3DkK2aO2x0qjENtSG1LHfdRhn2Z2LQYtxuk6VyBkepsZwTTTwRcrCC89Cx2lWb/M= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 11:30:55 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Posting in the tiniest print possible In-Reply-To: <001a01c55efc$01afb8b0$1602a8c0@studio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050521190604.084f1fe8@loopers-delight.com> <001a01c55efc$01afb8b0$1602a8c0@studio> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4MIUux11121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 5/22/05, Scott M2 wrote: > This was an excellent summary on plain-text vs html. > Could something like this be automatically sent to > new subscribers? > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > Its on the list information page: Are there posting guidelines for the Looper's Delight Mailing list? Please set your mail program to use plain text when posting to Looper's Delight. Posts formatted in HTML or rich text are annoying on mailing lists, since not everybody can see those. They also use up many times more bandwidth and disk space than plain text emails. Do not attach any files to your posts, as most people don't like getting file attachments from lists. This also includes those inane vcard things, background image graphics, audio files, etc. None of this junk is necessary for conveying your message anyway. When replying to another list post, please try to edit judiciously the previous poster's message that you are replying to. Don't leave the entire thing on there, as that is a waste of bandwidth, disk space, and time for everybody on the list. Please use a reply style that clearly shows which is your new text and which is the old text you are replying to. The traditional method of placing a > in front of previous text is perfect for this, and most email programs have a setting to do this automatically. Also, replies are set to automatically go back to the list, so please check the address if you want to reply to somebody privately. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 15:13:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MJBT917899; Sun, 22 May 2005 15:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qq+nSGcHXSkz9HdZO4xHsqX2Z90WbuhsfqScsX4ccG2nV8dS+VB67QA/myMSAIeQYEujCOmGAoUzI0me9oFDgB4RBifInFAVDFLX4F55fqc29KNixp/2AvyFHhgth+Pxx8SsPsAQmaK/ki4Uw9HugVwD99SD9Jvw7av6Sd53fMU= ; Message-ID: <20050522191049.6550.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Wanted: Symetrix 606 delay/fx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ..Or do I want one? Your thoughts? It's discontinued, and not too much user info. But it looks like it will serve my needs. Plus it has midi sync. Data Sheet: http://www.symetrixaudio.com/repository/606data.pdf =RANDY= Burbank, CA Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 16:20:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MKISG27851; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:18:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:18:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.3c1008da.2fc242eb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:17:47 EDT Subject: Re: Ted Posts his DD-20 Delay times To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e4.3c1008da.2fc242eb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e4.3c1008da.2fc242eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, In a message dated 05/22/05 10:20:17, hqr@cox.net writes: > Oh great! Now there's no way to escape buying one of these. > Let's give it a whirl-thanks for sharing Ted. > Gary > PS=A0 My reply wants to be HTML and I'm not gonna let it. >=20 Huh? Am I posting in HTML and not realizing it? I didn't think AOL would even let me. Yikes! Having more than=20 one ISP (but only one for the LD list) I hardly keep track. As for the DD-20, have fun. They're cheap these days $179.95 at MF . . . take another 10% off if an ASCAP MEMBER. Such a deal. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1e4.3c1008da.2fc242eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary,

In a message dated 05/22/05 10:20:17, hqr@cox.net writes:

Oh great! Now there's=20= no way to escape buying one of these.
Let's give it a whirl-thanks for sharing Ted.
Gary
PS=A0 My reply wants to be HTML and I'm not gonna let it.

Huh? Am I posting in HTML and not realizing it? I didn't
think AOL would even let me. Yikes! Having more than
one ISP (but only one for the LD list) I hardly keep track.
As for the DD-20, have fun. They're cheap these days
$179.95 at MF . . . take another 10% off if an ASCAP
MEMBER. Such a deal.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
 --part1_1e4.3c1008da.2fc242eb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 16:53:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MKpWg32555; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205052015391e690014@mail.gmail.com> References: <26ba8d1205052015391e690014@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <061aca1bd6e05a438a9c728fe6a5379f@howardl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: howard at HowardL Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on the GNX4? Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:50:50 -0700 To: tom@swirly.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server27.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - howardl.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2jiIlC.A.S7H.0CPkCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, I have the GNX3 which is mostly the same as the GNX4 in terms of it's ability to loop. However it does have more flexible I/O options (to get music and data in and out). It has good sounds but not suitable to use a live looper. Pretty good as an educational / practice tool but having had it for a year and half (during which performed 150 times) - I have only brought it to two gigs and the overhead of using it was too great to be worth the trouble. The user interface is not intuitive enough (for me) if you are trying to engage an audience. I have been mostly performing in a duo format on either guitars or basses and can not afford to stop playing and fiddle with the equipment. Either the lead or the accompaniment (or both) go away. However it is well made and sounds good - just kind of hard to use - especially as a looper. Howard On May 20, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'm thinking of getting this for my sweetie who just got an electric > guitar -- what do you think about it? > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 17:16:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4MLEr304512; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:14:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <410-22005562115324350@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005562115324350@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1c915a0566555b7810b09be5c28a6200@howardl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: howard at HowardL Subject: Re: ELP and directional bass Re: Re: surround looping Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:14:19 -0700 To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server27.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - howardl.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <005o3.A.oFB.1YPkCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys, Bass is not just bass. There are plenty of localize-able overtones produced in a good bass. The low E on a bass (E1) is a bit more than 41Hz (and has a wavelength 27 feet long) which can not be localized very well. There are at least ten harmonics you can hear however, which brings it up to 410 Hz - which is high enough to localize on (2.7 feet). A conventionally tuned four string bass G string at the 12th fret (G3) has a fundamental of 196Hz (and a wavelength of 5.7 feet) - the tenth harmonic of this is 1960 Hz with a wavelength of a bit less than 7". This is extremely easy to localize. Also when Greg Lake plays through a fuzz box (or breaks up his amp) - guess what - lots more harmonics - that is what fuzz is - gobs of harmonic (and also not so harmonic) distortion. The net result is - it is even more easy to localize. So you are quite right in thinking this is quite directional to you. Howard On May 20, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I'm with Richard: > There's a song on Emerson, Lake, and Palmer's first album where Greg > Lake's > fuzz bass is panned vigrously... sure seems directional to me. ;-) > ~Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Richard Zvonar >> To: Jon Southwood ; > >> Date: 5/20/2005 2:54:09 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: surround looping >> >> At 1:14 PM -0500 5/20/05, Jon Southwood wrote: >>> Regarding the 10.2 and the 16.8.1, I have to ask a potentially >>> stupid question: >>> >>> I was always under the impression (having it read it many times) that >>> the low frequencies for which a subwoofer is designed to reproduce >>> are >>> not 'directional'. By that, I mean (in case my terminology is off >>> [likely]) that one cannot determine the direction from which the low >>> frequencies came, or rather one cannot 'locate' the source of the low >>> frequencies. >> >> I don't agree with this "truism" about bass having no directionality. >> It's simply more difficult to localize bass frequencies, but given >> that you hear bass with your whole body I think you can perceive >> where different bass sounds are coming from. >> >> In a complex system with many speakers I think it works pretty well >> to use multiple subs. This is especially true in a listening >> environment such as a club where the audience is free to circulate. >> >> Also be aware that in a specialized setup the crossover frequency >> could be tweaked to suit the combination of speakers and architecture. >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://salamandersongs.com >> http://ill-wind.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 21:33:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4N1V8a11166; Sun, 22 May 2005 21:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:31:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:27:20 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Ted Posts his DD-20 Delay times To: Gary Lehmann , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005601c55f37$4ca74dc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050522171954.YMUK550.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did I miss something? I didn't see Ted's DD-20 settings. A repost, perhaps, Ted? dB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Ted Posts his DD-20 Delay times > Oh great! Now there's no way to escape buying one of these. > Let's give it a whirl-thanks for sharing Ted. > Gary > PS My reply wants to be HTML and I'm not gonna let it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 22 21:33:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4N1V9U11168; Sun, 22 May 2005 21:31:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:31:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:32:29 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Beggar's the Question--was licensing To: Gary Lehmann , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005701c55f37$4cd9a860$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050521153309.YHMT19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gary- I'm having a little trouble following you on this: > In the midst of all this, the Hunter S. Thompson quote doesn't just make > sense. And it begs the question, "Where else do you go for this?" Too many "this's", methinks. Can you explain further? 'Specially since I'm the one dangling the Thompson quote after my signature, to wit: Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 01:14:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4N5CxL12006; Mon, 23 May 2005 01:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 01:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ted's DD-20 Delay times; "beg the question"; Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:12:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVfC9hpERscIoURQ2+88KYco+Ry6wASVpsg In-Reply-To: <1e4.3c1008da.2fc242eb@aol.com> Message-Id: <20050523051207.RYKK23392.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4N5CDx11919 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DD-20 settings I {Ted} usually use are fairly simple: (1)          625ms (or sometimes 1250ms) @ 95% to 99% feedback (2)          2.5 seconds @ 95% to 100% feedback (3)          5 seconds @ 100% feedback (4)          10 seconds @ 100% feedback (5)          20 seconds @ 90% feedback I sometimes vary it by putting the 5, 10 and 20 second loops in slots 2, 3 and 4 and put another 5 second loop in reverse mode in slot 5 that fades out fairly quickly (a nice way to end or signal a major transition in a piece. I never worked much with the tap-tempo mode on the DD-20. I suppose there's a way to set up loops that are multiples of a basic length that way too. I just never got around to it. --->My other post had to do with the phrase "beg the question". It doesn't mean what a lot of people think. It DOES have to do with circular logic. Nit picking aside, thanks to all for their insight and information. Gary PS I am SOOO close to buying a DD-20, but I hate to have to sell my DL-4 to do it. Cash flow a problem--but the time will come! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 01:26:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4N5Nkk13577; Mon, 23 May 2005 01:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 01:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Mahogany Frog and Ben Grossman Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 01:24:53 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000101c55f57$c0223d30$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4N5NAx13465 Resent-Message-ID: <7oEtf.A.qSD.-iWkCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday May 25th - Mahogany Frog and Ben Grossman Ben Grossman will open the night with his amphibious hurdy gurdy stylings. He'll be setting a marsh-like scene with a combination of improvisation, spontaneous composition, live-looping and insect protein. http://www.macrophone.org Mahogany Frog is a four-piece band originally from Saskatoon but currently based in Winnipeg. Performing at venues since 1998, Mahogany Frog has developed a sound that could be described as "electro lounge-rock". Executed with an extensive collection of analogue synthesizers and keyboards, effects-saturated guitars, horns, samplers and percussion instruments, their music touches upon ambient & experimental electronica, jazz & space/progressive rock. Mahogany Frog's meticulous compositions are juxtaposed by sections of free-form improvisation, resulting in on-edge performances which can be both satisfying and challenging to the listener. Catchy melodies evolve and orchestrate into warm, lush, synth-happy soundscapes, only to be demolished by explosions of grinding, feedback-ridden guitars. The Frog is touring in support of their most recent album "Mahogany Frog on Blue", available on both CD and clear blue vinyl through Vancouver's Scratch Distribution. www.mahoganyfrog.ca Between Sets CD - "More Music For Films" by Brian Eno Eno's latest release consists of tracks taken from the rare, vinyl-only compilations "Music for Films Directors' Edition" and "Music for Films Volume 2" and represents the first time that about half of these pieces have ever been released on CD. http://www.enoweb.co.uk/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wed. June 1st - Thinkbox http://www.thinkbox.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek THE AMBiENT PiNG presented RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 on Wednesday May 18th. The evening featured Montreal sound & radio artist Anna Friz and composer Allison Cameron with Stephen Parkinson on electric guitar. As a "small noise improv" artist, Allison uses contact mics to amplify small instruments, toys and objects. For RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2, she and Stephen Parkinson created quirky soundscapes that worked incredibly well with the video art donated to the PiNG by Self Service Visuals (Jakob Thiesen and Rebecca McClennan) earlier this year. Playing on either side of the stage, the images moved across the screens in synch with Allison & Stephen's quiet improv. According to Allison, serendipity is often part of her creative process: on occasion, she has performed with objects that she's never used before - the live improv is the 1st time she's heard the sound it makes. Stephen's non-tonal, "in between the cracks" guitar work emphasized the textural elements of Allison's experimental sound art. Anna Friz is the artist-in-residence for the Deep Wireless festival at the Drake Hotel this month. She presents installation and performance works incorporating low-watt FM transmission in North America & Europe. Anna pulls samples off live radio during her performances, but for tonight's show she also had to pre-record some samples because of unreliable shortwave reception. All of the prerecorded samples used in this performance were "authentic Toronto radio" recorded on the street and imported onstage. With one hand playing the theramin and the other on the radio dial, Anna created the effect of duelling short waves - as though she was controlling the radio frequency with the theramin. Toward the end of her set, she played the harmonica over a gently throbbing drone, evoking memories of road trips down deserted highways & nights spent listening to a transistor radio under the covers. RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 continues the Deep Wireless festival held in Toronto throughout the month of May. During tonight's shows, our nostalgia for radio surfaced and the audience was reminded of the vital role radio can play in our lives. For more information: Deep Wireless - http://www.deepwireless.ca Allison Cameron - http://composers21.com/compdocs/camerona.htm Anna Friz - http://www.soundscape-fm.net/userinfo.php?id=41 Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "My Little Fire-Filled Heart" by Tara VanFlower Fans of Tara VanFlower will no doubt be thrilled by the release of her second solo disc "My Little Fire-Filled Heart". With this disc Tara has created a diverse collection of songs all of which wonderfully showcase not only her writing and vocal skills but also her eclectic and unique approach to music. The disc is an impressive collection of pieces utilizing a variety of vocal styles and techniques showcasing the range of Tara's skill alternating between spoken word narratives to effected looping vocal collages to more traditional styles of singing. The disc often features doubled and tripled vocal lines that give the suggestion of a chorus of Taras, sometimes singing together as one voice, other times as individuals each with their own unique and distinct personality. Minimal ambient elements and drones play throughout the disc, quiet and irregular, providing an excellent accompaniment to Tara's voice, adding to the atmosphere but never distracting from the magic she's created. Lyrically "My Little Fire-Filled Heart" shines with surreal turns of phrase and captivating imagery. Throughout the disc Tara strings words together that evoke a childlike wonder filled with discoveries, magic moments and dark corners. It's a collection of beautiful fragments of emotion, sometimes blindingly happy, other times unsettling and anxious, but always perfectly captured in crystaline clarity. To be sure, "My Little Fire-Filled Heart" is a beguiling release, the work of a fearless artist who is able to capture some of the magic that exists around her and make it into something others can share. With this release Tara has solidified her status as an unmistakeable and singular talent in modern music and proves that she deserves attention and recognition for the wonders she is creating on disc. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 04:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4N8Shv06943; Mon, 23 May 2005 04:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 04:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c55f71$3ebf3a30$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20050521153309.YHMT19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> <005701c55f37$4cd9a860$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Beggar's the Question--was licensing Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:27:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Gary Lehmann" ; Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 02:32 AM Subject: Re: Beggar's the Question--was licensing > Hey Gary- I'm having a little trouble following you on this: > >> In the midst of all this, the Hunter S. Thompson quote doesn't just make >> sense. And it begs the question, "Where else do you go for this?" > > Too many "this's", methinks. Can you explain further? 'Specially since I'm > the one dangling the Thompson quote after my signature, to wit: Well, it was actually ME what said the above (not the HST quote that is). What else needs to be explained? Hunter's quote doesn't merely make sense, it illustrates a part of business reality that isn't being addressed by the Law, amongst other entities - a part ruled badly by special interests trying to maintain (even more badly) a dead monopoly over the publishing, performance and usage rights of music and other media. Is that better? Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. > There's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 09:00:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NCrb826657; Mon, 23 May 2005 08:53:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:53:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050523135019.02d5b020@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:50:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: info - Surround Sound( for Dr. Z) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who said that? about what the ".1" in 5.1 means "5.1 configuration advocated by industry study groups - left, center, right, left surround, right surround, and a discrete sixth channel for low frequency effects (this LFE channel is referred to as a ".1" channel because it requires just one-tenth the bandwidth as the other five)." http://www.elitemediasolutions.com/info_-_Surround_Sound.html 5.1 configuration advocated by industry study groups - A 5.1-channel system actually has six channels. Five of them are full-range. These are designated front left, front center, front right, left surround, and right surround. The sixth is the low frequency effects (LFE) channel. Because it carries only the lowest frequencies, which make up about one-tenth of the audio range, it's the ".1" channel. http://www.ausmedia.com.au/longhorn_speakers.htm hmm, and even Microsoft are saying it:- The .1 channel (called "point one," not "dot one") in 5.1 is a holdover from the cinema days when it was used as a low-frequency effects (LFE) channel for thunder, guns, and other low-end rumbling special effects. The .1 channel is called such because it is about one-tenth the bandwidth of the other channels. Its frequency range is about 5 hertz (Hz) to 120 Hz. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/howto/articles/surroundsoundcodecs.aspx so, by now, I'm thinking it must be "WRONG" ;-) ...but then I found Dolby are in on it too:- As it needs only about one-tenth the bandwidth of the others, the LFE channel is referred to as a ".1" channel (and sometimes erroneously as the "subwoofer" channel). http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_faq_1.html andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 10:38:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NEafr16039; Mon, 23 May 2005 10:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: fdb176b1090bb47937c2006afdf846ed Received-SPF: none (talara.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.136 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.136; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> References: <200505181747.j4IHlnR22750@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050519074438.02baceb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03C81D3C-A4D8-46B1-9F76-E0A9D42CFB1E@boysen.se> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 05:41:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: surround looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great swiss flute looper Stefan Keller http://www.flutetrends.ch does all his concerts with 4 Genelec speakers for years. Just delays, as I remember, sounds good! >On May 19, 2005, at 9:46, a k butler wrote: > >>I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's >>anything special in the 5.1 format. >> >> andy butler > > >I can see your point. Rather I'll be looking into using four >speakers in the near future. The main reason is to produce two >albums (DVD's) with some sort of surround sound. But if I can figure >out an efficient quadraphonic live looping rig it would be great fun >to try it out live as well. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >--- >www.looproom.com (international) >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >--> iTunes Music Store / / / >www.cdbaby.com/perboysen -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 11:00:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NEvvs19434; Mon, 23 May 2005 10:57:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:57:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qU3zpFSQVi6Yh+vp6nM2cQEofiEOL7c609EPS7H7LEEAjUZplw5HG6/H30u/E4L4xrm2bkQ03mIT5yCfhmASu0xQqAbW5mlkHUJl0Io/sb+8407Cn3Chj2oEsWTGFG7G8IRWoOUYQ3KtzgXqmHcbkbOOmK1/ZW8AEa9Fo8iULn4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:57:21 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Call for Found Sound Compositions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4NEvRx19362 Resent-Message-ID: <1LkQ9D.A.zuE.Y9ekCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The following is a call for recordings of found sound compositions that was sent to another list I'm on. I know that a number of you work often with found sound and thought you might have something to submit. I have no affilliation with any of thi, just passing along something I thought you guys and gals might find worthwhile. Good luck to all who submit. Cheers, Jon Southwood --begin call for compositions-- INCIDENTAL AMPLIFICATIONS Curated By Lloyd Barrett // Lawrence English For most of us, our every moment (awake and unconscious) is enveloped by sound. From the obnoxious alarm tone that raises us from slumber to the microscopic sounds of natural nocturnal transmissions; there is always sound. As a society we have increasingly sought to augment and indeed control the environments around us. All manner of tools have been utilised in this ongoing war against the unfamiliar, the unexpected and the `undesirable'. Along with a variety of visuals cues, sound is progressively used to colour our surroundings with aural hues. The Twentieth Century brought with it an unparalleled use of artificial sound in the form of George Squier's Muzak – a creation designed to enhance (and perhaps determine) amongst other things our `shopping' experience. For decades, no mall or place of substantial commerce was complete without the dulcet tones of Muzak. To many it would seem that there is a world of difference between the bleating high frequency sounds of an Indian marketplace and multiple channels of mid-tempo instrumental music filling our shopping malls; however the ability for sound to draw and focus our attention is universal and well documented. But what of the remaining sounds? The incidental sounds that Muzak tries (and often fails) to mask: a dropped plate in the kitchen; a leaky tap; the creaking sounds of heated aluminium roofing and the ever-present air conditioner. Incidental Amplifications reclaims the consumer soundscape by dispersing pieces made from incidental sounds into a variety of public spaces including the Fortitude Valley and Chinatown mall multi-speaker sound-systems in Brisbane, Australia. Selected submissions will be sequenced and dispersed late nights as part of Liquid Architecture 6, Valley Fiesta and the Queensland Music Festival 2005. Artists from Queensland, Australia and the rest of the world are invited to contribute an audio work that addresses the ideas of reclaiming and utilising these subsidiary soundtracks to our everyday shopping/urban/rural experiences. The pieces selected for the exhibition can be of variable length. Guidelines for submission are as follows: 1) Submitted pieces must address incidental sounds either directly (field recordings etc) or indirectly (reconfigured sound or synthesised incidentals); 2) All pieces must be suitable for use in a public space with a general audience; 3) All submission should be sent as a data and audio CD; 4) Submissions are now due by Friday 24th Jun 2005. Please send all submissions to ROOM40 C/O: LAWRENCE ENGLISH, PO BOX 771 HAMILTON CENTRAL QLD AUSTRALIA 4007 This project is supported by Liquid Architecture, Queensland Music Festival, Valley Fiesta, Room40 and Small Black Box. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 11:45:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NFf2327864; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:41:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: WTT: Digitech WH-1 Whammy (ORIGINAL) for JAMMAN 32 Sec Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:39:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello - I'd like to trade my early 90s Digitech WH-1 Whammy for a fully working 32 sec JAMMAN. My WH-1 has seen some stage time and has the nicks, scratches and even a little surface rust to prove it! It's a 5 out of 10 cosmetically. That said, it works flawlessly. An amazing sounding pedal that blows the newer reissues away. I have detailed pics available. I have excellent EBAY references under: jetpack66 I have also done some gear transactions with loopers-delight members. Please respond off-list Adam http://www.lochheed.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 12:18:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NGGah01996; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:16:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:16:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42920356.7010704@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:22:46 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List CC: WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: WDIY MEmbership Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, June 6 to June 11 will see a supplimentary Membership Drive on WDIY to compensate for unexpected expenses. EMUSIC will broadcast a special live concert on June 9 as a treat to the listeners. In addition, I'd like to offer thank you gifts (suitable for the EMUSIC audience) to the people who pledge their hard-earned dollars. If you can help by supplying CDs or other neat goodies, please contact me to make arrangements. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of *EMUSIC*, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on *WDIY* 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to *WDIY* at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm *EMUSIC* web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the *EMUSIC*-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 12:30:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NGSIw03765; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050523135019.02d5b020@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050523135019.02d5b020@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:24:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: info - Surround Sound( for Dr. Z) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:50 PM +0100 5/23/05, a k butler wrote: >Who said that? >about what the ".1" in 5.1 means These explanations are plausible. I guess I'll have to ask Tom Holman to get the straight story. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 12:35:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NGXUl04756; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:33:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0nnlLWpn3z/ssmE+1+u9tzf0NhIvM5pJgsnhrNYkbX8KSf6ZiXiUNxZDNvnFC+Pqd4BrazuMgDYln1fBI5ZDfMB6EGPglOggEJ8KyTAZReoNMMFcyH3pCgaAsi0RGYRxCsr6n9cAY05JbmpIJIyyM/ihiQm8Ns8DgOMP10FB87M= ; Message-ID: <20050523163205.81792.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Ted's DD-20 Delay times; "beg the question"; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always thought the phrase was actually, "The question begs the answer." Meaning of course that a question is phrased or asked such that it is leading you to a given answer. Mike --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > --->My other post had to do with the phrase "beg the > question". > It doesn't mean what a lot of people think. > It DOES have to do with circular logic. > Nit picking aside, thanks to all for their insight > and information. > Gary > PS I am SOOO close to buying a DD-20, but I hate to > have to sell my DL-4 to > do it. Cash flow a problem--but the time will come! > G > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 12:42:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NGeZ005792; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:39:18 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: [LD CD 3] slots open Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I got some contacts by off list and I am arranging contributors. but I am very very busy for our gigs from 16th to 24th. I will mail to contributors in this week end by off list. p.s. Rick is really enjoying gig in Japan, he already did 3gigs and the next is tomorrow.. Regards Sunao At 1:58 AM +0900 05.5.19, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi LD, > >We are fixing contributors for LD CD Vol.3 now and I sorted it on 15th May. > >Then 2 slot is open now. > >If someone interest for join us, please mail me by off list. > > >Basic plan is below (it little changed from when I post it on 25th >April to LD): > >1 CD, 17 - 19 artists. >Song length is about 4min maximum per each. >CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. >CD cover is 4pages booklet. >Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list subscribers only. >Song deadline is 31st July 2005. > >About cost, >Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal or international >money order) >and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. >(I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), $125 is includes >shipping cost for world wide.and if I am in a budget, I will want to >send further much CDs.) >If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per each(not includes >shipping cost). > > Regards > >p.s. >I got long interview from one of the biggest webzine, "All About" >http://allabout.co.jp/entertainment/technopop/closeup/CU20050509A/ >(Written by Japanese. sorry.) > >p.s.p.s. >I will play live gig with Rick Walker in this evening in Kobe,Japan! > > Sunao Inami >http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 13:00:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NGw7l08757; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:58:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: "beg the question" Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:57:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20050523163205.81792.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcVftW10KmF+lyjMQq6sd29u8m2giAAAkQ6w Message-Id: <20050523165713.EKAN16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: mike feeney wrote: >I always thought the phrase was actually, "The >question begs the answer." Meaning of course that a >question is phrased or asked such that it is leading >you to a given answer. Not as far as I can tell-- I got lots of hits from Google--here's some info from http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/b.html Begging the Question. It doesn't mean what you think. Begging the question - from the Latin petitio principii - is a logical fallacy; it means assuming your conclusion in the course of your argument. If you say "Everything in the Bible must be true, because it's the word of God," you're taking your conclusion for granted. If you say "The defendant must be guilty because he's a criminal," you're doing the same. It's a kind of circular logic. The conclusion may be true or false, but you can't prove something by assuming it's true. This is very different from raising the question, though people are increasingly using the phrase that way. It's sloppy, and should be avoided. Here, for instance, is a piece from The Times (London), 30 Nov. 2004: The behaviour of ministers is a matter for prime ministers, who appoint and dismiss them. But this begs the question of who should find out what has gone wrong on behalf of a prime minister. No it doesn't. It raises the question; it prompts the question; perhaps it forces us to ask the question; maybe this question begs for an answer. But it doesn't beg the question. [Entry added 21 Jan. 2005.] ---> All of this reminds me of my reply to the recent question as to whether looping is repetitive. My assertion was that the nature of looping requires the recycling of audio, therefore it is repetitive. No one agreed with me, and several demurred. Was I begging the question (or answering the question with circular reasoning)? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 14:18:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NIGnG26018; Mon, 23 May 2005 14:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: ZoeKeating in SF Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:14:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've got a lot of loopers delight email to read here... and i just caught this. thank you for coming to see me play and thanks for the review..! on may 27th i'll be doing it again and receiving an "emerging artist award" at the ArtSFest 2005 Arts Expo Gala. happens at the SF Design Center, more details at www.artsfestSF.org. right now i'm in NY where the weather is exactly the same as when i left in April. weird! loop loop loop, zoe On May 12, 2005, at 3:09 PM, wrote: > caught ZOE doing her loopthangg lastnite @ GreatAmericanMusicHall > opening > for RASPUTINA the goth(?) cello band she is also in... > > great Set Zoe! > she had the audience enthralled...("goin do some cello looping" she > said she > said)...she played loops from her cd and some other stuff i dint > recognise... > a coupla REPEATER glitches..."an inexact science..." > she had everyone in the palm of her hand :-) > saw there-didnt see groupee Sean E. like i thought i > should. > thought i would see more bay area loop folk, oh well... > goodonye Zoe(who probably wont see this since they're on this longass > roadee) > staninsanfran > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 14:53:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NIpmn31742; Mon, 23 May 2005 14:51:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:51:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: surround looping Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:53:00 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000101c55fc8$a4aa0170$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's >>anything special in the 5.1 format. >> >> andy butler I'd say that what's special about it is that lots of people actually have multi-channel playback systems in their homes now! It may not be the ideal system but artists with an interest in spatialization can now share their work with a larger audience than the old "quad" systems ever reached. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 15:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NJiMh08743; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:44:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:44:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050523123759.01b058c0@mailone.real.com> X-Sender: sony@mailone.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:45:37 -0700 To: scott@dreamstate.to, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sony Felberg Subject: RE: surround looping In-Reply-To: <000101c55fc8$a4aa0170$1602a8c0@studio> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have never been a fan of more than 2 channels. It's too much a gimmick. Yes, you can do cool things. For a while I worked in an old room which was an original quad design from the 70's, updated fro dolby surround. The issues is....even though many people have it....often it's setup wrong....and what about those whom don't have it....what did you pass over for those listeners while focusing on the surround. With that said....my objections to surround, like other things, is less in my old age. Perhaps it's because more people have it... I have only mixed a few multimedia projects in surround where the playback was in a fixed installation like Disney Theme Parks. It was fun! My random comments....not sure how the thread started. At 11:53 AM 5/23/2005, Scott M2 wrote: > >>I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's > >>anything special in the 5.1 format. > >> > >> andy butler > >I'd say that what's special about it is that lots of people >actually have multi-channel playback systems in their homes now! >It may not be the ideal system but artists with an interest in >spatialization can now share their work with a larger audience >than the old "quad" systems ever reached. > >Cheers, >Scott M2 > >http://www.dreamSTATE.to >ambientelectronicsoundscapes >http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 18:51:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4NLbeY31081; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:37:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com Message-ID: <216.1611b65.2fc3a65a@wmconnect.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:34:18 EDT Subject: Boomerang and Visual Sound 1Spot incompatibility To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_216.1611b65.2fc3a65a_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_216.1611b65.2fc3a65a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The kind folks at Visual Sound just told me that you can't use a 'rang and a 1Spot on the same power source without getting an unacceptable 60 cycle hum. Any thoughts on whether this is a common issue with the Boomerang and 9V pedal power supply units or is it limited to the 1Spot? TIA. Mike --part1_216.1611b65.2fc3a65a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The kind folk= s at Visual Sound just told me that you can't use a 'rang and a 1Spot on the= same power source without getting an unacceptable 60 cycle hum.

Any thoughts on whether this is a common issue with the Boomerang and 9V= pedal power supply units or is it limited to the 1Spot?
=20
TIA.


Mike --part1_216.1611b65.2fc3a65a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 23 23:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4O3dKM15633; Mon, 23 May 2005 23:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429230AF.7000206@toadmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:36:15 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "beg the question" References: <20050523165713.EKAN16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20050523165713.EKAN16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > Begging the Question. > It doesn't mean what you think... Thanks for that bit of research. This is one of those things that drives people nuts when misused. However, I sometimes feel that language is not unlike a slowly evolving loop. Motifs and phrases get repeated over and over, slowly changing their relationships to one another, evolving into something that while bearing similarity to the original is substantially different. In cases like "beg the question" where the literal meaning of the words strung together as they are implies "raise the question", I like to think I'm forward thinking about the evolution of language. However, I can't help but shudder when I see people who still can't keep "there", "their", and "they're" straight. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 24 05:31:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4O9SmR28137; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:28:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 05:28:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tQjffbIdHYFNg9W35aXEOI34AbvW2N5t0PGh/Pe6tCmzUOTpt3M/9pH5Z5La8zNTzLa6bTElMI4WtvhbipF4uWzktwBLf2WZI5A4s9J1AmTJBvKdVPimqghrBSLT81/aT4/Q2oA19BWTbVJQBl4tu0CuvHK9gSPIc5IeelcWXvQ= ; Message-ID: <20050524092708.97784.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: "beg the question" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Todd A. Pafford" wrote: > can't help but shudder when I see people who still > can't keep "there", > "their", and "they're" straight. Ah, your [sic] being to [sic] picky, its [sic] not that big a deal. :P -t- ps: then there's 'alot'... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 24 09:05:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4OCxmI26243; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1116939476!5554055!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A0A0@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: surround looping Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:49:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5605F.0AB6A9F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5605F.0AB6A9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" quadrasonic sound in the church? yes! d. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: 21 May 2005 19:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: surround looping goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > it's very depressing, all this, for it's true. despite the exciting > prospect of multi-channel music production, both studio & stage, there > really isn't much call for it, even with the most immersive & abstract > instrumentation. Hi Duncan, If RMI want to do four channel sound at the next Gathering, I'd be happy to bring a pair of nice JBL speakers on stands and a stereo power amp suitable for use in St. Mary's to suppliment Chuck's system. > Then there are the practical difficulties- multi-channel delivery > formats have yet to settle down unless you're in the movie business, & > even then it tends to be a bit fireworky, detracting from the main > body of the action. directors regard it as a necessary evil. Robin Miller, who lives near me in Bethlehem, PA, used to be a filmmaker. He is now somewhat of a multichannel audio expert. He has conducted experiments that seem to indicate that subwoofers in fact do contain spacial information. A church organ recording was used in the tests and two subwoofers were better than one at creating a realistic sense of being there. Sure, low frequencies might be omnidirectional, but they still take time to travel through space and the resulting phase relationships need to be preserved in order to keep information that is lost when using only one subwoofer... if I understand what Robin's friend told me. Cheers, Bill Fox P.S. You can hear Duncan's RMI mates in an interview the last time RMI played in Philadelphia. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/podcasts.html *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5605F.0AB6A9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: surround looping

quadrasonic sound in the church? yes!

d.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]
Sent: 21 May 2005 19:52
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: surround looping


goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

> it's very depressing, all this, for it's true. despi= te the exciting
> prospect of multi-channel music production, both st= udio & stage, there
> really isn't much call for it, even with the most i= mmersive & abstract
> instrumentation.

Hi Duncan,

If RMI want to do four channel sound at the next Gatherin= g, I'd be happy
to bring a pair of nice JBL speakers on stands and a ste= reo power amp
suitable for use in St. Mary's to suppliment Chuck's sys= tem.

> Then there are the practical difficulties- multi-cha= nnel delivery
> formats have yet to settle down unless you're in th= e movie business, &
> even then it tends to be a bit fireworky, detractin= g from the main
> body of the action. directors regard it as a necess= ary evil.

Robin Miller, who lives near me in Bethlehem, PA, used to= be a
filmmaker.  He is now somewhat of a multichannel au= dio expert.  He has
conducted experiments that seem to indicate that subwoof= ers in fact do
contain spacial information.  A church organ record= ing was used in the
tests and two subwoofers were better than one at creatin= g a realistic
sense of being there.  Sure, low frequencies might = be omnidirectional,
but they still take time to travel through space and the= resulting phase
relationships need to be preserved in order to keep info= rmation that is
lost when using only one subwoofer... if I understand wh= at Robin's
friend told me.

Cheers,

Bill Fox
P.S. You can hear Duncan's RMI mates in an interview the= last time RMI
played in Philadelphia.
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/podcasts.html



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5605F.0AB6A9F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 24 10:18:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4OEEeA05087; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:14:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:14:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:09:40 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: a tenth of a mil or finer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001001c5606b$1bc52800$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+a1jtsbLspefxPGcWZCptQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4Wq8RB.A.LNB.eazkCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_+a1jtsbLspefxPGcWZCptQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Many of us have experienced the relation between pitch and high-feedback delays in the one- to twenty-ms range. Is anyone aware of a delay device that is adjustable to one ten-thousandth of a second, or one tenth of a millisecond? Or finer? It would then be able to come closer to our system of tempered tuning and generate delays more in sync with pitch... dB --Boundary_(ID_+a1jtsbLspefxPGcWZCptQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Many of us have experienced the relation between pitch and high-feedback delays in the one- to twenty-ms range. Is anyone aware of a delay device that is adjustable to one ten-thousandth of a second, or one tenth of a millisecond? Or finer? It would then be able to come closer to our system of tempered tuning and generate delays more in sync with pitch...
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--Boundary_(ID_+a1jtsbLspefxPGcWZCptQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 24 16:34:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4OKV6r02236; Tue, 24 May 2005 16:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:34:47 -0600 Message-Id: <200505241834.j4OIYlH27716@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: The city as loop X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~didi/ Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 24 17:54:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4OLqo613120; Tue, 24 May 2005 17:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:52:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:46:10 -0800 From: "ldisvley" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: To: vovkin_2@hotmail.com Subject: Rumors that are profitable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ROCKET STOCKS NEWSLETTER U R G E N T I N V E S T O R A L E R T VNBL STOCK EXPECTED TO EXPLODE!!! Vinoble is the next HOT PLAY in Homeland Security Symbol: VNBL.OB Current Price: $0.09 Short Term Target Price: $0.50 12 month Target Price: $4.00 Deserves your immediate attention!!! The company just bottomed at $0.06 and we believe in the next 1 to 2 weeks this stock will go back to at least $0.40 C O M P A N Y O V E R V I E W Vinoble, Inc. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=e5soGAO18KXmZ2qvixokBS85YrJHyVR6L75ddEI/bfICYiehu+LMAH/j/E2YFDFHUby3XiazxWiMRU0b8Fl5zHp4LNKzJgH+Gco3wPMlDK48dPT9Y4BJ298Kr8Sx69+mB24F0+LDxfHUmrum0I5vB5SxjcfH1NUGM32sOftyTLk= ; Message-ID: <20050525002731.84664.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: driver conflict??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For quite some time now, I've been unable to reach the LD site (plus several other sites) from my home computer. I've posted about it before (although not recently); I had thought it might be a situation with a HOSTS file, and Kim mentioned a possible BHO connection. Tonight I did a 'find' to see if it might be a hosts file problem tucked away in some out-of-the-way corner of the hard drive. What I found on page 19,992 of my system .dat file has me baffled. I've put an excerpt from it at the bottom of this message; note the URL to an LD page in the middle of it. Have any of you seen anything like this before? -t- ********************************* ProviderNameMicrotek International Inc. ÿÿÿÿ DriverDate 9-14-1998 ÿÿÿ MatchingDeviceId*smplscsiL \ { L ? http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi:StringIndex ÿÿÿÿ 4 Behavior W i n d o w s Ó Ü ©¨ %¤œd)á‡Å* ÿÿÿÿ œ Item Data š2p–uβ~vWuÙŠ Ú2½D-²x Þô'à~T NæÅ­¸Õt“îkKؤ,!U.¸ Úé˜ÊžõKzç t+¢ ª»Ý "7W Ÿ ÑçG‚ž?NTwµS"Ï™/ 2± +Ÿ¦êµ6Üè4&½qUÔDãwobtD9–._ÃíüÆ€§Ú³ §]„3¤[ vŒ6›÷ i { > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi:StringData ÿÿÿÿ 4 Behavior W i n d o w s 0í|³EVŒA ŽóX ÙÔÙw­§ä ÿÿÿÿ l Item Data á†^Æ´]6îZLÏ­²ù>£ÔÚ±Ãõ÷H æê­ œ U ìQ?~b pæ7Òfx*»äÞc‚Â{ê)pŽW-ò]ç'¨W-wž Çõ€¸C³fWïµDÿ4"ìD†ß ×sÓX 5 { X __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 24 22:04:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P22al18739; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:02:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Woz" To: Subject: RE: surround looping Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:01:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050523123759.01b058c0@mailone.real.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVf0EN8Ch2b6eObSlm3LdWyprfQCwA/Utmg Message-Id: <20050525020152.EBGE27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@CO3057311A> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apparently stereo was seen as a gimmick when it was first released. Cheers Woz -----Original Message----- From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:46 AM To: scott@dreamstate.to; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: surround looping i have never been a fan of more than 2 channels. It's too much a gimmick. Yes, you can do cool things. For a while I worked in an old room which was an original quad design from the 70's, updated fro dolby surround. The issues is....even though many people have it....often it's setup wrong....and what about those whom don't have it....what did you pass over for those listeners while focusing on the surround. With that said....my objections to surround, like other things, is less in my old age. Perhaps it's because more people have it... I have only mixed a few multimedia projects in surround where the playback was in a fixed installation like Disney Theme Parks. It was fun! My random comments....not sure how the thread started. At 11:53 AM 5/23/2005, Scott M2 wrote: > >>I'm all in favour of multi-channel sound, but I don't think there's > >>anything special in the 5.1 format. > >> > >> andy butler > >I'd say that what's special about it is that lots of people >actually have multi-channel playback systems in their homes now! >It may not be the ideal system but artists with an interest in >spatialization can now share their work with a larger audience >than the old "quad" systems ever reached. > >Cheers, >Scott M2 > >http://www.dreamSTATE.to >ambientelectronicsoundscapes >http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 24 22:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P2XlN21481; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Boomerang and Visual Sound 1Spot incompatibility Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C560A8.1C97F4A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <216.1611b65.2fc3a65a@wmconnect.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6vuIAB.A.9OF.2O-kCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C560A8.1C97F4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Below is a list of the experiments I've done and the results. These have been shared with the Boomerang folks as well as Visual Sound. (The Visual Sound folks seem much more motivated to get the 1Spot to play with the Rang than vice-versa) Rang+OneSpot+Boss PSA series=Noise Rang+Boss PSA series=Acceptably Clean OneSpot+Boss PSA series=Very Clean Rang+OneSpot=Noise Rang=Acceptably to Very Clean OneSpot=Very Clean Boss PSA Series=Very clean Definitions: Boss PSA Series=Any pedal powered by this DC adapter; OneSpot=Any pedal powered by a OneSpot/switching power supply; Rang=Boomerang AC system Hope this helps! ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com -----Original Message----- From: Needfreed@wmconnect.com [mailto:Needfreed@wmconnect.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang and Visual Sound 1Spot incompatibility The kind folks at Visual Sound just told me that you can't use a 'rang and a 1Spot on the same power source without getting an unacceptable 60 cycle hum. Any thoughts on whether this is a common issue with the Boomerang and 9V pedal power supply units or is it limited to the 1Spot? TIA. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C560A8.1C97F4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
 
Below=20 is a list of the experiments I've done and the results.  These have = been=20 shared with the Boomerang folks as well as Visual Sound. (The Visual = Sound folks=20 seem much more motivated to get the 1Spot to play with the Rang than=20 vice-versa)
-----Original Message-----
From: = Needfreed@wmconnect.com=20 [mailto:Needfreed@wmconnect.com]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 = 4:34=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Boomerang and Visual Sound 1Spot = incompatibility

The kind folks at = Visual Sound=20 just told me that you can't use a 'rang and a 1Spot on the same power = source=20 without getting an unacceptable 60 cycle hum.

Any thoughts on = whether=20 this is a common issue with the Boomerang and 9V pedal power supply = units or=20 is it limited to the 1Spot?

TIA.


Mike=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C560A8.1C97F4A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 00:35:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P4XBW01691; Wed, 25 May 2005 00:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:33:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Fukadugalon, 26 May 2005, Raleigh NC USA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (List members Adrian and I are 2/5th of the show Thursday - we both use multiple looping devices in performance. Thanks for reading. - Steve B) ---------------------------------------- "Fukadugalon, (foo-ka-doo-gaah-laan), n. 1. The use of music to communicate via birds and insects with extraterrestrials. 2. The improvisational noise unit formed by Will Connor (BAAMPHF!, Feraliminal Lycanthropizers), John Snead (Dreamscapes of the Perverse, BAAMPHF!, Center for Transgressive Behavior [CTB]), Anthony Staton (Soulpreacher, Subscape Annex), Steve Burnett (Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea), Adrian Likins (Phasmatodea). 3. BAAMPHF! + Subscape Annex + Phasmatodea put in a blender set on 'Frappe'. " Fukadugalon performs this Thursday night at a house concert at badgerhaus, located in the vicinity of Crabtree Mall in west Raleigh. Expect percussion both Western and world, Chapman Sticks and theremin, and tortured dinosaur synthesizer. Location: badgerhaus, located in the vicinity of Crabtree Mall in west Raleigh. Contact burnett@pobox.com for directions. Time: early. Doors at 7:30. Start at 8pm, ending by 10pm - 10:30pm. Cover: None required. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 00:59:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P4uKE03626; Wed, 25 May 2005 00:56:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:56:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c560e6$27096980$48975142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20050525002731.84664.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: driver conflict??? Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:56:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim, I've been knocked out of a couple websites that just happened to be my home page (along with a couple that weren't). My Aluria Spyware s/w has a "home page hijacker" fix that didn't work. I finally gave in, bought a 300gig hard drive, backed up all my files, then restored a sort of 'clean' system from over a year ago. I instantly got my home page back, and actually cleared up a couple other things. Ideally, it would be coolest to reformat your main drive, then do a clean install of your main s/w apps, including all virus and spyware s/w, then do a snapshot of that, so you could restore to that. Then make damn sure you backup regularly. I made a few mistakes like not going through my email in Outlook and dumped several validation and registration responses from companies I've bought download s/w from. Oh well... live and learn. Hopefully I can find a way to get my reg# at their sites. Good luck with your dilemma... -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: driver conflict??? > For quite some time now, I've been unable to reach the > LD site (plus several other sites) from my home > computer. I've posted about it before (although not > recently); I had thought it might be a situation with > a HOSTS file, and Kim mentioned a possible BHO > connection. > > Tonight I did a 'find' to see if it might be a hosts > file problem tucked away in some out-of-the-way corner > of the hard drive. What I found on page 19,992 of my > system .dat file has me baffled. > > I've put an excerpt from it at the bottom of this > message; note the URL to an LD page in the middle of > it. Have any of you seen anything like this before? > > -t- > > ********************************* > > ProviderNameMicrotek International Inc. ÿÿÿÿ > > DriverDate 9-14-1998 ÿÿÿ > MatchingDeviceId*smplscsiL \ { L ? > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi:StringIndex > ÿÿÿÿ 4 Behavior W i n d o w s Ó Ü > > ©¨ %¤od)á?Å* ÿÿÿÿ o Item Data > s2p-uβ~vWuÙÂS Ú2½D-²x Þô'à~T NæÅ­¸Õt"îkKؤ,!U.¸ > Úé~ÊžõKzç t+¢ ª»Ý "7W Y > ÑçG,ž?NTwµS"ÏT/ 2± > +Y¦êµ6Üè4&½qUÔDãwobtD9-._ÃíüÆ€§Ú³ §]"3¤[ > vO6>÷ i { > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi:StringData > ÿÿÿÿ 4 Behavior W i n d o w s > 0í|³EVOA > ŽóX ÙÔÙw­§ä ÿÿÿÿ l Item Data > á?^Æ´]6îZLÏ­²ù>£ÔÚ±Ãõ÷H æê­ o U ìQ?~b > pæ7Òfx*»äÞc,Â{ê)pŽW-ò]ç'¨W-wž > Çõ€¸C³fWïµDÿ4"ìD?ß Ã-sÓX 5 { X > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 01:59:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P5vG311153; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:56:10 -0400 From: "Michael Stauffer \(Circular Logic\)" Subject: Dimension Beam? To: "Looper Delight List" Reply-to: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi y'all, Does anyone out there use a Dimension Beam from Interactive Light (their sights dead). It was made in the 90's and puts out an infrared light field for 3D parameter manipulation. Am having trouble finding one anywhere, other than in a Roland keyboard which I don't really want. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 02:07:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P614312996; Wed, 25 May 2005 02:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 02:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c560ee$da3ad9a0$073469d5@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <001001c5606b$1bc52800$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: a tenth of a mil or finer Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:59:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C560F7.3B5EBBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C560F7.3B5EBBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to have an alesis multi effects device - i think it was a = quadraverb... Anyway there was an effect on it - forgotten the name - could be = something like resonator.. that produced very small delays. It was = possible to assign midi notes to it so that, for instance you could = sequence an arpeggio to resonate over/within what you played. Sorry to be so vague.... Gareth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: a tenth of a mil or finer Many of us have experienced the relation between pitch and = high-feedback delays in the one- to twenty-ms range. Is anyone aware of = a delay device that is adjustable to one ten-thousandth of a second, or = one tenth of a millisecond? Or finer? It would then be able to come = closer to our system of tempered tuning and generate delays more in sync = with pitch... dB ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C560F7.3B5EBBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to have an alesis multi effects = device - i=20 think it was a quadraverb...
Anyway there was an effect on it - = forgotten the=20 name - could be something like resonator.. that produced very small = delays. It=20 was possible to assign midi notes to it so that, for instance you could = sequence=20 an arpeggio to resonate over/within what you played.
Sorry to be so vague....
 
Gareth
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas=20 Baldwin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 = 3:09 PM
Subject: a tenth of a mil or = finer

Many of us have experienced the relation between = pitch and=20 high-feedback delays in the one- to twenty-ms range. Is anyone aware = of a=20 delay device that is adjustable to one ten-thousandth of a second, or = one=20 tenth of a millisecond? Or finer? It would then be able to come closer = to our=20 system of tempered tuning and generate delays more in sync with=20 pitch...
dB
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C560F7.3B5EBBE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 02:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P6BqQ13783; Wed, 25 May 2005 02:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 02:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <429230AF.7000206@toadmail.com> References: <20050523165713.EKAN16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> <429230AF.7000206@toadmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:08:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: "beg the question" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > However, I >can't help but shudder when I see people who still can't keep "there", >"their", and "they're" straight. For me it's "its" and "it's" in addition to the examples you cite. And I see my students begging the question all the time. ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 02:35:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P6X1p15973; Wed, 25 May 2005 02:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 02:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Grammar peeves Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:31:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcVg8RN4BsFW2BdbRPCd5PTorfsV2QAAcFBw Message-Id: <20050525063147.NRTN22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I am going to get in trouble now . . . Right after the mispronunciation of "nuclear" (just say atomic) is "The thing is, is . . ." and its various offspring. Language irregularities don't really bother me tho, unless they distract me from understanding. I keep hearing broadcast journalists using "is, is"-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 05:32:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4P9Taq00934; Wed, 25 May 2005 05:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 05:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QRBsRLBEefQifXi2y8Hx3/T8eaZZGQbtfzmxgX5pbDed5+/+8cajoiONsof1+Uj9Fv3IUZQJhZxr3r/2B5bReNU0HEM8kUMO28mSEPFqQ9yEyQumNbmaRy78uDd49A2swe1lPgCrPP0mTTN9AmVWKbfOSO0wxev8PeF5uqdRXOA= ; Message-ID: <20050525092858.93082.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 02:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Grammar peeves To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I keep hearing broadcast journalists using "is, > is"-- I've had "alot" of fun looping the samples I snipped from Clinton's deposition, particularly "It depends what the meaning of the word 'is' is." :) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 06:12:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PAAJw06530; Wed, 25 May 2005 06:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c56111$c20939d0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Boss DD-20 rewiev Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:08:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C56122.8583B1F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C56122.8583B1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Douglas Baldwin wrote: Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the = Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In = the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of = his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different = lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make = it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even = send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. dB Every day I check the LD web site, looking for the Boss DD-20 rewiev, = but I did'nt find it. Did I miss something ? Fabio ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C56122.8583B1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net>=20 wrote:
 
Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. = I've=20 contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The = Trade page.=20 In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one = of his=20 posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different = lengths atop=20 each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and = let me=20 know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole = document.=20 Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document.
dB
 
Every day I check the = LD web site,=20 looking for the Boss DD-20 rewiev, but I did'nt find it.
Did I miss something = ?
 
Fabio
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C56122.8583B1F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 08:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PCPU424087; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 05:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: "Michael Stauffer (Circular Logic)" cc: Looper Delight List Subject: Re: Dimension Beam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the original Dbeam as a midi controller for various synths live. Oddly I discovered it on the MC505 first but then "graduated" to the real thing :) On Wed, 25 May 2005, Michael Stauffer (Circular Logic) wrote: > Hi y'all, > > Does anyone out there use a Dimension Beam from Interactive Light (their > sights dead). It was made in the 90's and puts out an infrared light > field for 3D parameter manipulation. Am having trouble finding one > anywhere, other than in a Roland keyboard which I don't really want. > > Cheers, > Michael > -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 12:24:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PGMLt31737; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:20:55 -0400 From: "Michael Stauffer \(Circular Logic\)" Subject: RE: Dimension Beam? In-reply-to: <002a01c560ff$8088c0a0$6ebbe104@hppav> To: "Rick Williamson" Cc: "Looper Delight List" Reply-to: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! Unfortunately it looks like they're sold out. :( Not that I really have $400 to drop one this at the moment, though! >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick Williamson [mailto:rdwiv@webtv.net] >Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:58 AM >To: michael@circular-logic.com >Subject: Re: Dimension Beam? > > >Interactive Light is now Synesthesia. >They renamed the Dimension Beam to Eyris. > >http://www.synesthesiacorp.com/eyris.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Stauffer (Circular Logic)" >To: "Looper Delight List" >Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:56 AM >Subject: Dimension Beam? > > >> Hi y'all, >> >> Does anyone out there use a Dimension Beam from Interactive >Light (their >> sights dead). It was made in the 90's and puts out an infrared light >> field for 3D parameter manipulation. Am having trouble finding one >> anywhere, other than in a Roland keyboard which I don't really want. >> >> Cheers, >> Michael >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 13:24:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PHMjn07100; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:22:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:22:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lMt5KbA6OvUcsuq6VSfn2/xyZzr0K871o75RQZNYcTCzdBgDmQ7KlZs61ZXXHxlBuk/x7FvYVv1VSdcnWmkty3X6o4Acy7vxtITNs5bfw7aTlGk9agLLeWV5BbWmh+i/qqrY679aO2l9YvaXZBQ07a589blfBhEm2BZVoNHbp5c= ; Message-ID: <20050525172213.93495.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: Dimension Beam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9LSvX.A.duB.LRLlCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this what you're looking for? http://www.bigcitymusic.com/product.asp?cat=new&pid=1000110 and http://www.frostwave.com/spacebeam/index.html by Frostwave. BUT, I think it is used to control only gear with CV inputs. =RANDY= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 13:32:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PHUgl07983; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:30:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20050525132721.01cb8ec0@pop.nycap.rr.com> X-Sender: pkoniuto@pop.nycap.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:29:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --used gear pricing trends-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone remember what the site is that gives the average current price for used audio gear, and the trend as to whether that price is going up or down? I'm pretty sure i got it here at LD (maybe from Dr Zvonar?), but i'm not having any luck with the archives. Thanks! Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 13:39:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PHbn908911; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:37:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:36:53 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: --used gear pricing trends-- In-reply-to: <6.0.1.1.0.20050525132721.01cb8ec0@pop.nycap.rr.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4294B7B5.5010700@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6.0.1.1.0.20050525132721.01cb8ec0@pop.nycap.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1TJgxD.A.iJC.3eLlCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com p koniuto wrote: > > Does anyone remember what the site is that gives the average > current price for used audio gear, and the trend as to whether > that price is going up or down? There is www.prepal.com, though I've heard mixed reviews on how accurate it is. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 13:49:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PHZlD08720; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:35:17 -0600 Message-Id: <200505251735.j4PHZHK26904@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: --used gear pricing trends-- X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.prepal.com Kevin > > Does anyone remember what the site is that gives the average > current price for used audio gear, and the trend as to whether > that price is going up or down? > > I'm pretty sure i got it here at LD (maybe from Dr Zvonar?), > but i'm not having any luck with the archives. > > Thanks! > Peter > > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 17:00:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4PKwKh03448; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:58:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:58:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c5616e$e414ea80$90508304@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: Subject: Re:Dimension Beam Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:15:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C56144.FAB0FA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <7VBvlD.A.ey.VaOlCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C56144.FAB0FA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interactive Light is now Synesthesia. They renamed the Dimension Beam to Eyris. http://www.synesthesiacorp.com/eyris.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Michael Stauffer (Circular Logic)" To: "Looper Delight List" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Dimension Beam? > Hi y'all, >=20 > Does anyone out there use a Dimension Beam from Interactive Light = (their > sights dead). It was made in the 90's and puts out an infrared light > field for 3D parameter manipulation. Am having trouble finding one > anywhere, other than in a Roland keyboard which I don't really want. >=20 > Cheers, > Michael >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C56144.FAB0FA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interactive Light is now Synesthesia.
They renamed the Dimension = Beam to=20 Eyris.

http://www.synesthesia= corp.com/eyris.html


-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Michael Stauffer (Circular Logic)" = <michael@circular-logic.com= >
To:=20 "Looper Delight List" <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:56 AM
Subject: Dimension = Beam?


> Hi=20 y'all,
>
> Does anyone out there use a Dimension Beam from=20 Interactive Light (their
> sights dead). It was made in the 90's = and puts=20 out an infrared light
> field for 3D parameter manipulation. Am = having=20 trouble finding one
> anywhere, other than in a Roland keyboard = which I=20 don't really want.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>=20
>
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C56144.FAB0FA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 21:06:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q14Fr11473; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:04:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=rvfXFbReU+mELScjXb+8wNa7DVqx4x1SYfCJnrJ7V430X/DqusrtVoBnQ2ye+Hf0; Message-ID: <410-2200554261715660@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grammar peeves Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:07:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940945809bf110db02d8e0508a09a139ab0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.128.133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "It depends what the meaning of the word 'is' is." :) Hey, whatever Clinton's failings (he's startin' to look pretty good now), lets' not forget what he was before politics: a very good lawyer. He knew bloody well that these people had been waiting for an excuse to get him out of office, he knew he was in the Coliseum with the lions, and he knew that in the legal arena, defining your terms is absolutely VITAL. Words we take for granted have very different meaning in the twisted world of The Law, and Clinton knew this. Of course, to us laymen, it sounded funny as all f*ck ;-) Love, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Date: 5/25/2005 5:30:45 AM > Subject: Re: Grammar peeves > > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > I keep hearing broadcast journalists using "is, > > is"-- > > I've had "alot" of fun looping the samples I snipped > from Clinton's deposition, particularly "It depends > what the meaning of the word 'is' is." :) > > -t- > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 21:30:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q1RKh13891; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew W. Prull" X-X-Sender: prullmw@marcus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know if this a fixable problem on an older Oberheim EDP? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Problem: Sound passes through, 3 pots are very loose, they do work, they do control volume and mix. When turned on, the word loop and a number 33 continuously moves across the screen and does not stop scrolling. It will not record a sample, parameter and function buttons do not work and neither do the lights under them. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 21:33:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q1W2w14631; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:32:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=SxioFEdS8doZj5vLQBJN82D9O4O8CxfqgEHeWk/r0+DwfCHo5IN02JVROR1/BMqh; Message-ID: <410-22005542613554500@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: show: Fukadugalon, 26 May 2005, Raleigh NC USA Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:35:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94071c26e04faabfc958c23c1e32f7cf314350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.128.133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! You made me wish I lived in North Carolina! Honestly, it sounds like a hell of a show. Will anyone be recording it? ~Tim M > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 5/25/2005 12:33:17 AM > Subject: show: Fukadugalon, 26 May 2005, Raleigh NC USA > > (List members Adrian and I are 2/5th of the show Thursday - we both use > multiple looping devices in performance. Thanks for reading. - Steve B) > > ---------------------------------------- > "Fukadugalon, (foo-ka-doo-gaah-laan), n. > > 1. The use of music to communicate via birds and insects with > extraterrestrials. > > 2. The improvisational noise unit formed by Will Connor (BAAMPHF!, > Feraliminal Lycanthropizers), John Snead (Dreamscapes of the Perverse, > BAAMPHF!, Center for Transgressive Behavior [CTB]), Anthony Staton > (Soulpreacher, Subscape Annex), Steve Burnett (Subscape Annex, > Phasmatodea), Adrian Likins (Phasmatodea). > > 3. BAAMPHF! + Subscape Annex + Phasmatodea put in a blender set on > 'Frappe'. " > > Fukadugalon performs this Thursday night at a house concert at badgerhaus, > located in the vicinity of Crabtree Mall in west Raleigh. > > Expect percussion both Western and world, Chapman Sticks and theremin, > and tortured dinosaur synthesizer. > > Location: badgerhaus, located in the vicinity of Crabtree Mall in west > Raleigh. Contact burnett@pobox.com for directions. > > Time: early. Doors at 7:30. Start at 8pm, ending by 10pm - 10:30pm. > > Cover: None required. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 21:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q1jx416026; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:45:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:45:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=WMZXt722JZkEzmkwBro/xi7ewIFrpi9hN+C2GQt+tZqAYhNSmiLjdQcMaqFQW/ek; Message-ID: <410-22005542614851310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the word "actionable" Re: "beg the question" Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:48:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402fe3dafaf14991b4395591de7fe66fff350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.128.133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As an editor, I am daily appalled by the deteriorating state of the English language, especially Consultingspeak, Sportspeak, and Officialese, but my favorite turds are "comprised of" ("comprise" means "encompass" or "include"!) and the use of "actionable" in the sense of "doable" ("actionable" means "illegal," period). "Irregardless" makes me nuts, too. As far as musician's slang, I have no problem with it because I am a hypocrite! ;-) Yours in Strunk & White, Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Jeff Shirkey > To: > Date: 5/25/2005 2:13:10 AM > Subject: Re: "beg the question" > > > However, I > >can't help but shudder when I see people who still can't keep "there", > >"their", and "they're" straight. > > For me it's "its" and "it's" in addition to the examples you cite. > > And I see my students begging the question all the time. ;) > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 21:58:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q1uI616949; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=RgWVcFnsp/H/bPuKCx22jPw+nEw3o5Tqu2NkAvFJHncUaKWY+4C1tCqcM/3H+OaH; Message-ID: <410-22005542615948990@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Orwell (or, "yow, are we off topic yet?!?) RE: Grammar peeves Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:59:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940292c5febb245d3eceb362d8e996a8546350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.128.133 Resent-Message-ID: <5ORDcB.A.1HE.aySlCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Language irregularities don't really bother me tho, unless they distract me from understanding." Even as a pain-in-the-ass grammarian, I have to agree with you. Sure, it's fun to slag bad grammar, but the real enemy is language that is designed to deceive... "Clear Skies Initiative" is a real good example. All thinking people should read George Orwell's essays on how authoritarians "dumb down" their people through deliberately cloudy language. Con Mucho Queso, Tim M > [Original Message] > From: Gary Lehmann > To: > Date: 5/25/2005 2:34:22 AM > Subject: Grammar peeves > > OK, I am going to get in trouble now . . . > Right after the mispronunciation of "nuclear" (just say atomic) is > "The thing is, is . . ." and its various offspring. > Language irregularities don't really bother me tho, unless they distract me > from understanding. > I keep hearing broadcast journalists using "is, is"-- > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 22:03:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q22JY19011; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:02:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: show: Fukadugalon, 26 May 2005, Raleigh NC USA In-Reply-To: <410-22005542613554500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: References: <410-22005542613554500@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 25 May 2005, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Wow! You made me wish I lived in North Carolina! Honestly, it sounds like a > hell of a show. Will anyone be recording it? > ~Tim M Tim: Thanks for the kind words. Yes, we've made arrangements to have the show recorded. We haven't decided what to do with the recording, assuming it happens. A more general comment: Anyone coming through the Raleigh / Durham / Chapel Hill (Research Triangle Park) area of North Carolina, feel free to get in touch with me and I'll try to help set up a performance, perhaps a house concert if nothing else can be found (or if you already have a performance set up, I'd be happy to provide a local opener :) ), or help with finding crash space if needful. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon (forthcoming) > > [Original Message] > > From: > > To: > > Date: 5/25/2005 12:33:17 AM > > Subject: show: Fukadugalon, 26 May 2005, Raleigh NC USA > > > > (List members Adrian and I are 2/5th of the show Thursday - we both use > > multiple looping devices in performance. Thanks for reading. - Steve B) > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > "Fukadugalon, (foo-ka-doo-gaah-laan), n. > > > > 1. The use of music to communicate via birds and insects with > > extraterrestrials. > > > > 2. The improvisational noise unit formed by Will Connor (BAAMPHF!, > > Feraliminal Lycanthropizers), John Snead (Dreamscapes of the Perverse, > > BAAMPHF!, Center for Transgressive Behavior [CTB]), Anthony Staton > > (Soulpreacher, Subscape Annex), Steve Burnett (Subscape Annex, > > Phasmatodea), Adrian Likins (Phasmatodea). > > > > 3. BAAMPHF! + Subscape Annex + Phasmatodea put in a blender set on > > 'Frappe'. " > > > > Fukadugalon performs this Thursday night at a house concert at > badgerhaus, > > located in the vicinity of Crabtree Mall in west Raleigh. > > > > Expect percussion both Western and world, Chapman Sticks and theremin, > > and tortured dinosaur synthesizer. > > > > Location: badgerhaus, located in the vicinity of Crabtree Mall in west > > Raleigh. Contact burnett@pobox.com for directions. > > > > Time: early. Doors at 7:30. Start at 8pm, ending by 10pm - 10:30pm. > > > > Cover: None required. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 22:08:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q26xn19845; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:06:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <79.4643bd97.2fc68918@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:06:16 EDT Subject: Re: driver conflict??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_79.4643bd97.2fc68918_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_79.4643bd97.2fc68918_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (JIn a message dated 5/24/05 9:38:22 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:(B (J> +$(D*s$B".$(D+4(J6$(D*d+2(J4&$B".(JqU$(D*T(JD$(D+*(JwobtD9._$B".$(D**+?+d)!(J€$B!x$(D*b$B".(J $B!x(J]3[(B (J> v$(D)-(J6$B!`(J i { > (B (J> (B (Jyo tim!.....i don't agree with the staement above!.....:).....but i have (B (Jnever received anything like this.....my main concern is why i keep getting (B (Jmessages that "james sidlo does not want to receive message from (me)"......and i (B (Jfeel that this is related somehow to why i keep getting bumped from LD (B (Jbecause that message keeps coming up everytime that i am bumped.....strange things (B (Jare afoot.....but i could be WRONG.....mic(B (Jp.s. would someone PLEASE tell me if i am one of those HTML bastards.....i (B (Jthink i was one in the past but i have tried to change my ways.....i really (B (Jdon't know if i'm amongst the saved yet?(B (Jp.p.s.s. i've been loopin my brains out! 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=1B(B =1B(Jp.p.s.s. i've been loopin my brains out! =1B(B --part1_79.4643bd97.2fc68918_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 25 22:24:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q2MoP22144; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:22:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <127.5cfe5f25.2fc68ccf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:22:07 EDT Subject: Re: show: Fukadugalon, 26 May 2005, Raleigh NC USA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_127.5cfe5f25.2fc68ccf_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_127.5cfe5f25.2fc68ccf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/05 10:01:14 PM, burnett@pobox.com writes: > A more general comment: > wow steve, tanks.....i hope to take you up on this at some point!.....mic --part1_127.5cfe5f25.2fc68ccf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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wow steve, tanks.....i hope to take you up on this at some point!.....mic= --part1_127.5cfe5f25.2fc68ccf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 00:58:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q4t8812225; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4294E554.7090604@toadmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:51:32 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: driver conflict??? References: <79.4643bd97.2fc68918@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <79.4643bd97.2fc68918@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > p.s. would someone PLEASE tell me if i am one of those HTML > bastards..... Don't know if you're a bastard...in fact, all my research indicates otherwise, but you are posting in html. Sorry for the bad news. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 02:26:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q63VE30575; Thu, 26 May 2005 02:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l9xsXWwa+bzlihxSqt+8WzaFFrawrI/u8cBTdUAOVW18lfu+/JE2YMdVlXfqqYp7kiKBp+kwkTUCccJmNYWXkD1MyNW4cXO6GLJzEHbbmHdVPvE/kqiGiVSicI+0RvJhxYdkEnXN/SdZShRFAQs7VKohqyAHldbz43gRFqxb9SU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:02:40 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4Q62jx30296 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The pots on the older units could have a very loose feel. In regards to the other issue, try the classic reseat the memory (with the power off) or pulling SIMMS individually to see if you've got loose or bad memory. On 5/25/05, Matthew W. Prull wrote: > Anyone know if this a fixable problem on an older Oberheim EDP? Any > suggestions would be appreciated. > > Problem: Sound passes through, 3 pots are very loose, they do work, they > do control volume and mix. When turned on, the word loop and a number 33 > continuously moves across the screen and does not stop scrolling. It will > not record a sample, parameter and function buttons do not work and > neither do the lights under them. > > Matt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 02:47:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q6ijJ06565; Thu, 26 May 2005 02:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:17:11 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: my newest gig movie uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I did gig in Osaka in last night, it was 1st gig of my new laptop duo,it called DARK MATTER. I uploaded the movie, if someone interest please download below: http://low.cavestudio.org/music/movie/darkmatter050525.mp4 (mp4 format,29min,260 meg) We use Reaktor 5 and Live 4. Live at Fandango,Osaka in DEATH TRIP (Sins Of The Flesh Japan Tour) http://www.deathtrippers.com Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 03:55:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q6Vw003999; Thu, 26 May 2005 02:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: a027a5b41aac1a27d6b1b86118d2b8c4 Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.135; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050523165713.EKAN16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> <429230AF.7000206@toadmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:52:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: "beg the question" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> However, I >>can't help but shudder when I see people who still can't keep "there", >>"their", and "they're" straight. > >For me it's "its" and "it's" in addition to the examples you cite. > >And I see my students begging the question all the time. ;) > >Jeff I am guilty I dont use " ' " ever when writing english just as I dont use all the acents when typing portuguese I dont think it makes it hard to read, does it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 04:09:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4Q87b219016; Thu, 26 May 2005 04:07:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 04:07:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <47028D45-FDF2-4A2A-BC60-9D5DDDE8030C@sonosphere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: OT: 2" tape deck - SF Bay Area? Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:07:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - megs15.100mwh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonosphere.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area have, or know someone who has, a 2" tape deck that takes the LARGE reels and would be able to do a menial task relatively cheaply (or for barter)? I have three big reels of Ampex 456 that needs to be moved onto empty SMALL takeup reels (which I also have). Please reply offlist to doug@sonosphere.com so I can't miss your reply. Thanks! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 06:55:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QArU104639; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:53:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:53:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ec01c561e0$ebadc650$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: ....from "The Pearl" to my personal "pearly way" Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:51:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C561F1.AF1EA180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <_NA-MB.A.YGB.NpalCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C561F1.AF1EA180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another free download track...walking on the footsteps of Mr. Brian Eno = and Harold Budd, that's called " In a pearly way " Comments are welcome fabio ------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C561F1.AF1EA180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another free download=20 track...walking on the footsteps of Mr. Brian Eno and Harold Budd, = that's called=20 " In=20 a pearly way "
Comments are welcome
fabio
------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C561F1.AF1EA180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 07:40:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QBa0i09700; Thu, 26 May 2005 07:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:36:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: Eight Hour Drone Event Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:37:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000001c561e7$444a3220$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4QBZLx09634 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Eight Hour Drone is an interesting event (in Toronto) that I'll be participating in this Sunday. My shift is 6:30-7:45pm and I'll be using synth with treatments (including the wicked Alesis Bitrman - Thanks Loopers Delight group) and loopers. AMBiENT PiNG performers Aidan Baker and Jakob Thiesen are also drone troopers in this sonic assault on the note A. (Please excuse all the Caps - this is a cut & paste) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ------------------------EIGHTHOURDRONE------------------------------ MERCER UNION AND BLOCKS RECORDING CLUB PRESENT THE EIGHT HOUR DRONE SHOW MERCER UNION 37 LISGAR STREET (QUEEN AND DOVERCOURT) 12NOON TO 8 PM SUNDAY MAY 29TH, 2005 Blocks Recording Club and Mercer Union present the EIGHT HOUR DRONE SHOW. A fundraiser for Blocks Recording Club, curated and organized by Alex Snukal and Steve Kado. Twenty-eight performers in shifts of five will produce the note A for eight hours. The entire event will be recorded and sold as an eight hour MP3 CD through Blocks Recording Club. There will be a massive merch table with recordings from many of the participants, the Blocks Recording Club catalogue, and special fundraising projects. The merchandise will be cross-referenced with the schedule so you'll know which performer has made which recording. FEATURING DRONE PERFORMANCES BY: JONATHAN ADJEMIAN, AIDAN BAKER, COLIN BERGH, MICHELLE BRESLIN, GREG COLLINS, NICO DANN, HANS FINKELDLY, BREDAN FLANAGAN, MISHA GLOUBERMAN, PAIGE GRATLAND, SCOTT HARRISON, KEVIN HEGGE, JACOB HORWOOD, STEVEN KADO, ELISHA LIM, MARCO LANDINI, SCOTT M2, RYAN MAGUIRE, PAUL MORTIMER, LIZ PETERSON, MATIAS ROZENBERG, EUGENE SLOMIMEROV, MIKE SPEARS, MATT SMITH, MIKE STAFFORD, JAKOB THIESEN, BOB WISEMAN, AND ALEX WOLFSON. ALL-DAY PASSES $8 ($5 FOR MERCER UNION MEMBERS) TICKETS AT: THE DOOR, MERCER UNION, EIGHTHOURDRONE@HOTMAIL.COM, ROTATE THIS, SOUNDSCAPES. HOURLY PASSES $3 - AVAILABLE ONLY AT THE DOOR SPECIAL OBELISK SHAPED VEGAN DRONE FOOD BY CHEF SAM HIGGS. MASSIVE MERCH TABLE MASSIVE SOUND MASSIVE. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 08:42:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QCe1417202; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:40 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 rewiev To: Fabio Anile , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004701c561f0$2815f4a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_O8uRZDTAoGMON50hGuQK8w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00cb01c56111$c20939d0$040a0a0a@fabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_O8uRZDTAoGMON50hGuQK8w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I just got word from Kim that he couldn't get to it this weekend. His estimated posting was "soon." If it doesn't show up after this weekend, maybe I'll renew my offer to send it out individually. dB ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:08 AM Subject: Boss DD-20 rewiev Douglas Baldwin wrote: Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. dB Every day I check the LD web site, looking for the Boss DD-20 rewiev, but I did'nt find it. Did I miss something ? Fabio --Boundary_(ID_O8uRZDTAoGMON50hGuQK8w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I just got word from Kim that he couldn't get to it this weekend. His estimated posting was "soon." If it doesn't show up after this weekend, maybe I'll renew my offer to send it out individually.
dB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:08 AM
Subject: Boss DD-20 rewiev

Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
 
Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document.
dB
 
Every day I check the LD web site, looking for the Boss DD-20 rewiev, but I did'nt find it.
Did I miss something ?
 
Fabio
 
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_O8uRZDTAoGMON50hGuQK8w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 09:00:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QCwNP19431; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:58:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:58:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-20 rewiev Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:56:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <004701c561f0$2815f4a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <8PkMWC.A.VsE.XeclCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or if you want use this: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi help on how to use: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?KwikiHelpInde x and http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?KwikiFormatti ngRules Then click "ToolsAndInstruments", then "CurrentRealTimeLoopers", BossDD20. To see another such site with Electrix-Repeater - specific content: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi The advantage is: anyone can contribute. Once this has settled a bit, it can be transferred to LD. Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2005 14:41 To: Fabio Anile; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 rewiev I just got word from Kim that he couldn't get to it this weekend. His estimated posting was "soon." If it doesn't show up after this weekend, maybe I'll renew my offer to send it out individually. dB ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:08 AM Subject: Boss DD-20 rewiev Douglas Baldwin wrote: Finally, finally done with this beast. 2,700 words. I've contacted the Great And Powerful Kim re. posting on the Tools Of The Trade page. In the meantime, I'd like Ted Killian to know that I quoted part of one of his posts re. the DD-20s ability to lay two delays/loops of different lengths atop each other. I hope that's okay with you, Ted. You can make it formal and let me know before I post on the web page. Heck, I'll even send you the whole document. Heck, I'll send anyone the whole document. dB Every day I check the LD web site, looking for the Boss DD-20 rewiev, but I did'nt find it. Did I miss something ? Fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 09:21:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QDHJe23217; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:17:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:17:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <00ec01c561e0$ebadc650$040a0a0a@fabio> References: <00ec01c561e0$ebadc650$040a0a0a@fabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89919A59-0850-43F8-BBA5-A313C799EC91@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ....from "The Pearl" to my personal "pearly way" Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:16:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 26, 2005, at 12:51, Fabio Anile wrote: > Another free download track...walking on the footsteps of Mr. Brian > Eno and Harold Budd, that's called " In a pearly way " > Comments are welcome > fabio Comment: Very pleasant music. Thank you! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 10:03:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QE1MN29536; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42956529.7000104@toadmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:56:57 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "beg the question" References: <20050523165713.EKAN16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> <429230AF.7000206@toadmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > I am guilty > I dont use " ' " ever when writing english > just as I dont use all the acents when typing portuguese > I dont think it makes it hard to read, does it? It must not since I've read posts of yours for years and never even noticed. :) Interesting. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 10:07:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QE5CX30247; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:05:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:05:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hD3BTPHoSfHpxE6msMPh7Q8riPTWT+hHZ9cueYxKS+fdiGNMy1kMKhY7uqym8MokKRFLVgOy5tKCXdMxsJbA6N91AULuFaufBQWnUhD+OVA4i3ewo8i65LbnvcFEglv1uXNYOGVw99MowJGTqq97WolKfxbPz3EAHvPbFZcLW+g= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:03:43 -0400 From: magicicada Reply-To: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mp3s for you. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4QE3nx29768 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I just wanted to share some selection from music I have been making as of late. I used to post on Looper's Delight in the past but, went away from it for awhile. Most of the magicicada tracks were done live, some in the studio, some in warehoues, etc... with minimal editing. Farfisa, melodica, voice, dl4s, repeaters, (((endless delays))) tea cups, geetar, cassette decks for the blind, marbles, field recordings and all kinds of other stuff was used in the building of these songs. I hope you like 'em. I am only going have them up for a short while. thanks! c. http://www.magicicada.com/magicicada-Demand-My-Fucking-Cloud.mp3 http://www.magicicada.com/flesh-is-final.mp3 http://www.magicicada.com/secrethistory1.mp3 <>and my version of pop with the amazing Trulee Grace Hall:<< http://www.magicicada.com/wellbelow3.mp3 http://www.magicicada.com/truleegrace.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 10:08:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QE6P730411; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:06:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:06:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P5D3qSQFohImKvticM7tQzArApZZ54g7pbEsd0yqiG234C6jsYwXJMwZYr4fDFznd76HkRG/AZ3mYgwlgD/ZSwz7st0gTXHfEE67umxcBfv5XBtAFzOkI7VyzYQqlWYCRUApDPLDoa2Kq0PhyMDmTdbIUBekthNAxycWgoce6Mg= Message-ID: <146cdfa705052607054096d885@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:05:53 +0200 From: Marco Ronci Reply-To: Marco Ronci To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ....from "The Pearl" to my personal "pearly way" In-Reply-To: <00ec01c561e0$ebadc650$040a0a0a@fabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ec01c561e0$ebadc650$040a0a0a@fabio> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4QE5wx30310 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Comments are welcome > fabio Good! (on Eno and Budd footsteps inedeed!) Ciao Marco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 10:54:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QEpVq03153; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.480225 secs Process 74935) Message-ID: <49610.213.100.44.49.1117119045.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:50:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: mp3s for you. From: "obadia" To: "magicicada" Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you c.! your music touched me... you should come & play here in sweden Stéphane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org > Hello all, I just wanted to share some selection from music I have > been making as of late. I used to post on Looper's Delight in the past > but, went away from it for awhile. Most of the magicicada tracks were > done live, some in the studio, some in warehoues, etc... with minimal > editing. Farfisa, melodica, voice, dl4s, repeaters, (((endless > delays))) tea cups, geetar, cassette decks for the blind, marbles, > field recordings and all kinds of other stuff was used in the building > of these songs. > I hope you like 'em. > I am only going have them up for a short while. > thanks! > > c. > > http://www.magicicada.com/magicicada-Demand-My-Fucking-Cloud.mp3 > > http://www.magicicada.com/flesh-is-final.mp3 > > http://www.magicicada.com/secrethistory1.mp3 < > http://www.magicicada.com/magicicada-peach-is-pink.mp3 > >>>and my version of pop with the amazing Trulee Grace Hall:<< > > http://www.magicicada.com/wellbelow3.mp3 > > http://www.magicicada.com/truleegrace.mp3 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 12:04:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QFw1t15056; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D17EFEA-D38D-47FD-96A0-B25DB92074E0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mp3s for you. Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:56:24 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 26, 2005, at 16:03, magicicada wrote: > Hello all, I just wanted to share some selection from music... 8< > 8< 8< 8< 8<... Truly awesome music. Thanks for sharing! I must add that I liked the pix at the site as much as the music. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 13:31:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QHT5F28496; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:29:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:29:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=W+1idOh12kdX32TxRLGsIAky1jTABMwRkT47gEwlGNf22stjR3OO4dhkgAksQ5nUfzw4fJYVrrzpLV3BB5VD5Bgt7c0jZQzeqJGfIm+Em276TX3txEVAv0nQXb5ozGaKofAq5KVeKpFZcQvfRihsx01VDE7qp8GVyh8i1RWZ6vQ= ; Message-ID: <20050526172707.1533.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Presonus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200505260626.j4Q6Qd803141@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Just wanted to express my appreciation on this list for the fine folks at Presonus. No, I'm not at all affiliated with them, nor do they give me free stuff. I've been using their Firepod since the beginning of the year. While it hasn't been trouble free, the treatment that I recieve whenever I call them up has been the absolute best. Not only do they really take the time to listen to whatever is up, they actually take even more time to explain what's going on with the unit at whatever level I'm able to understand. I had a good feeling about their product before I ever bought it, and when it's working right, it's a real quiet and quality conversion unit. The most recent issue of TapeOp has an interview with Jim Odom, founder and owner of Presonus. It's a great little insight into their company and business philosophy. Good to know that people are still behaving with integrity in this world of ours. Stephen __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 15:41:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QJVgu11634; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:31:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:31:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <006a01c56228$307f7340$c0a0fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: "Scott M2" Cc: References: <000001c561e7$444a3220$1602a8c0@studio> Subject: Re: Eight Hour Drone Event Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:17:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <9E3CqC.A.U0C.jPilCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW! That´s exactly I´d like to do... Stephen (smoulderng with envy... oh, no, not really, but still... 8-) ) __________________________________________________________________________ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" ; "Dark Seeds" ; "Drone Deep Chill" ; "Loopers Delight" ; "The Ambient Way" Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: Eight Hour Drone Event > > The Eight Hour Drone is an interesting event (in Toronto) that > I'll be participating in this Sunday. My shift is 6:30-7:45pm > and I'll be using synth with treatments (including the wicked > Alesis Bitrman - Thanks Loopers Delight group) and loopers. > AMBiENT PiNG performers Aidan Baker and Jakob Thiesen are > also drone troopers in this sonic assault on the note A. > > (Please excuse all the Caps - this is a cut & paste) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > ------------------------EIGHTHOURDRONE------------------------------ > > MERCER UNION AND BLOCKS RECORDING CLUB PRESENT > > THE EIGHT HOUR DRONE SHOW > MERCER UNION > 37 LISGAR STREET (QUEEN AND DOVERCOURT) > 12NOON TO 8 PM > SUNDAY MAY 29TH, 2005 > > Blocks Recording Club and Mercer Union present the EIGHT HOUR DRONE SHOW. A > fundraiser for Blocks Recording Club, curated and organized by Alex Snukal > and Steve Kado. Twenty-eight performers in shifts of five will produce the > note A for eight hours. The entire event will be recorded and sold as an > eight hour MP3 CD through Blocks Recording Club. > > There will be a massive merch table with recordings from many of the > participants, the Blocks Recording Club catalogue, and special fundraising > projects. The merchandise will be cross-referenced with the schedule so > you'll know which performer has made which recording. > > FEATURING DRONE PERFORMANCES BY: JONATHAN ADJEMIAN, AIDAN BAKER, COLIN > BERGH, MICHELLE BRESLIN, GREG COLLINS, NICO DANN, HANS FINKELDLY, BREDAN > FLANAGAN, MISHA GLOUBERMAN, PAIGE GRATLAND, SCOTT HARRISON, KEVIN HEGGE, > JACOB HORWOOD, STEVEN KADO, ELISHA LIM, MARCO LANDINI, SCOTT M2, RYAN > MAGUIRE, PAUL MORTIMER, LIZ PETERSON, MATIAS ROZENBERG, EUGENE SLOMIMEROV, > MIKE SPEARS, MATT SMITH, MIKE STAFFORD, JAKOB THIESEN, BOB WISEMAN, AND ALEX > WOLFSON. > > ALL-DAY PASSES $8 ($5 FOR MERCER UNION MEMBERS) > TICKETS AT: THE DOOR, MERCER UNION, EIGHTHOURDRONE@HOTMAIL.COM, ROTATE THIS, > SOUNDSCAPES. > > HOURLY PASSES $3 - AVAILABLE ONLY AT THE DOOR > > SPECIAL OBELISK SHAPED VEGAN DRONE FOOD BY CHEF SAM HIGGS. > MASSIVE MERCH TABLE > MASSIVE SOUND > MASSIVE. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 16:03:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QK0qb19018; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050526172707.1533.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050526172707.1533.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Presonus Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:12:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll second that. I started using the smaller Firebox it in between the Repeater and AbletonLive. Knock on wood...all good so far...and they were quick to email back when I needed setup help. On May 26, 2005, at 10:27 AM, S V G wrote: > > Hey all, > > Just wanted to express my appreciation on this list for the fine > folks at Presonus. No, I'm > not at all affiliated with them, nor do they give me free stuff. > > I've been using their Firepod since the beginning of the year. > While it hasn't been trouble > free, the treatment that I recieve whenever I call them up has been > the absolute best. Not only > do they really take the time to listen to whatever is up, they > actually take even more time to > explain what's going on with the unit at whatever level I'm able to > understand. I had a good > feeling about their product before I ever bought it, and when it's > working right, it's a real > quiet and quality conversion unit. > > The most recent issue of TapeOp has an interview with Jim Odom, > founder and owner of > Presonus. It's a great little insight into their company and business > philosophy. Good to know > that people are still behaving with integrity in this world of ours. > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 17:05:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QL0Gx28709; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <039701c5622b$ff691640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Japan Loop Tour Diary: #1 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:47:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, If anyone is interested, I have been keeping a rather wordy tour diary of my solo tour in Japan. the first installment is here: http://www.looppool.info/diaryjapan1.html I'll try to upload one a day from here on out if you are interested. Thanks, I loved Japan and the Japanese loopers and Japanese goth musicians and Japanese electronic musicians that I met and played with (and sometimes jammed with) were amazingly inspiring to me. I can't wait to start working on a new show and to compose brand new music for my next CD. All thanks to these creative and supportive artists. More on all of this in my diary but I wanted to go on record to profusely thank the incredible generosity and kindness of my hosts, Aci and his lovely wife, Haru of the synth goth band, Phantasmagoria who was my effective tour manager for the whole 8 days. They fed me and housed me and Aci drove me everywhere I had to go whether he was on the bill or not. They are such good , good friends and I can't wait to host them when they return to the West Coast next. Also I want to thank my dear friend Sunao Inami for booking all the wonderful five shows that I did. He put together great lineups and each show was unique and inspiring. okay, I'm jetlagged out of my brains and I'm going to go sleep for a long, long time. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 19:50:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QNmQ224555; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:48:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=fO9zUkecr7oSSoNVxREgfXauYzM/8VN/hH5gUyNWT+lZDWM7V2HJ3zxgqSIIHetXN7LVdVg6DU8OfEzXzoApU2uNs9Xp7D1cEMcVmyMO/8YXiioS9bFaQO8lQxpEwJYP/fSMcfnMNreLcgt0Hx6EAyUccMRBlf4Y/owVJtWtpGY= ; Message-ID: <20050526234735.10057.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiodos Mystery 'wich" Subject: Re: Grammar peeves To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2043562291-1117151255=:9852" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2043562291-1117151255=:9852 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you really want a good laugh, check out the "Bushisms" books. Harvard, huh?! Tim Nelson wrote: --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I keep hearing broadcast journalists using "is, > is"-- I've had "alot" of fun looping the samples I snipped from Clinton's deposition, particularly "It depends what the meaning of the word 'is' is." :) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! --0-2043562291-1117151255=:9852 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
If you really want a good laugh, check out the "Bushisms" books. Harvard, huh?!

Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- Gary Lehmann wrote:
> I keep hearing broadcast journalists using "is,
> is"--

I've had "alot" of fun looping the samples I snipped
from Clinton's deposition, particularly "It depends
what the meaning of the word 'is' is." :)

-t-





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Small Business - Try our new Resources site! --0-2043562291-1117151255=:9852-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 19:52:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4QNoA824753; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:49:41 EDT Subject: HTML and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit spent a good deal of time today trying to figure out how to unhtml my mail program.....pushed and pulled every button in here.....downloaded a new AOL OSX updated program.....is the html curse gone?.....is my broadcast PURE?.....please tell me it is, i feel like such a clone.....WOW RICK!.....sounds like a wonderful time was had in JAPAN.....i'm dripping with envy.....i'm diggin the cross-over direction into the goth/vocal/?.....CW.....i loved your MP-3s, is there a cd in the offing?.....am i clean yet?.....mic --part1_5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable spent a good deal of time today tryi= ng to figure out how to unhtml my mail program.....pushed and pulled every b= utton in here.....downloaded a new AOL OSX updated program.....is the html c= urse gone?.....is my broadcast PURE?.....please tell me it is, i feel like s= uch a clone.....WOW RICK!.....sounds like a wonderful time was had in JAPAN.= ....i'm dripping with envy.....i'm diggin the cross-over direction into the=20= goth/vocal/?.....CW.....i loved your MP-3s, is there a cd in the offing?....= .am i clean yet?.....mic --part1_5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 23:14:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R3AN323770; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Steve Sandberg Subject: playing outdoor - power generators? Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:09:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to ask this question yearly but this year i'm determined to act on playing outdoors - any recommendations for outdoor power generators? I'm using an edp, 2 synths, one keyboard that needs power and a 250 watt amp - would like to be able to play for say 4 hours? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 23:31:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R3U4526807; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:30:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:30:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429622BA.1060105@toadmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:25:46 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Japan Loop Tour Diary: #1 References: <039701c5622b$ff691640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <039701c5622b$ff691640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop.pool wrote: > If anyone is interested, I have been keeping a rather wordy tour diary > of my solo tour in Japan. At the moment I'm digging all things Japanese and love your road tales. Keep 'em coming. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 26 23:51:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R3nb430688; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:49:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:49:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids. Let's have some fun! Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay. (vocal processor/pitch corrector) I'd purchased it because I thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music and my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to sing and was very timid about her voice. I thought a little help might give her confidence. Anyway, I never ended up doing pop music and the woman decided that a man named Randal was more her style. (in the end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space rack unit was collecting dust for the last year. To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the proceeds to get myself a new toy! It's been a while. My parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of $400 and take up one rackspace. I have most of the conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or something very tweakable for a performance. Could go in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a Repeater. Have at it! FILL MY RACK! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 00:13:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R4BmU02707; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:11:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:11:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Rn51xwGi3PaT+XvQLSn4bVWcyigofu+mt2FFi/w2KgZK4S2ne+1k0bej9UZ+MQL27X47UW5sZ2XJfXEa4R0lykOlmMhQun/2mgwlHMJ4v3rOEBiDfoO7JPpOMnRin6+NOK6QE2pnDQlesxeF54rImiIRhx4f9HSs6eEAM0GSPTc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:10:34 -0400 From: magicicada Reply-To: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3s for you. In-Reply-To: <1D17EFEA-D38D-47FD-96A0-B25DB92074E0@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1D17EFEA-D38D-47FD-96A0-B25DB92074E0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4R4Aex02560 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you so much! im glad you enjoyed it, makes me happy that you got something out of it. ... :) c. On 5/26/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On May 26, 2005, at 16:03, magicicada wrote: > > Hello all, I just wanted to share some selection from music... 8< > > 8< 8< 8< 8<... > > Truly awesome music. Thanks for sharing! I must add that I liked the > pix at the site as much as the music. > > per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 00:16:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R4EVT03164; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:10:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Fill my rack! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My >parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of >$400 and take up one rackspace. I have most of the >conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is >something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or >something very tweakable for a performance. Line 6 Filter Pro? It's definitely different, very tweakable, and in your price range. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 00:37:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R4YsQ04880; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Tomatohorse2000@aol.com Message-ID: <159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:34:02 EDT Subject: Live Software Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 Resent-Message-ID: <_qu7NB.A.HLB.INqlCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there :-) I am a young, aspiring musician with (unfortunately) empty pockets. What is the cheapest way possible to do live looping during performances? I've been looking for software that does the equivalent of looping hardware. So, for example, during a gig I'd be able to hook up my guitar to a laptop, play something, and have it start looping immediately after I finish (maybe by hitting the spacebar or something). Does such software exist or will I have to save up for some hardware? Much thanks, ~ Peter --part1_159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there :-)

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Much thanks,
~ Peter --part1_159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 01:22:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R5KMI11705; Fri, 27 May 2005 01:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:20:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95@aol.com> References: <5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95@aol.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is the html curse gone? 'Fraid not ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 02:08:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R66dl17321; Fri, 27 May 2005 02:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 02:06:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 6.199349 secs Process 21547) Message-ID: <49280.213.100.44.49.1117173963.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a@aol.com> References: <159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:06:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Live Software Loopers From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1fcviD.A.jNE.TjrlCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SooperLooper! (MAC for now, http://essej.net/sooperlooper/) Live (MAC & PC, http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=live) > Hi there :-) > > I am a young, aspiring musician with (unfortunately) empty pockets. What > is > the cheapest way possible to do live looping during performances? I've > been > looking for software that does the equivalent of looping hardware. So, for > example, during a gig I'd be able to hook up my guitar to a laptop, play > something, > and have it start looping immediately after I finish (maybe by hitting the > spacebar or something). Does such software exist or will I have to save up > for > some hardware? > > Much thanks, > ~ Peter > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 02:58:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R6uca22172; Fri, 27 May 2005 02:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 02:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:55:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Software Loopers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--716712639 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <159.51f001da.2fc7fd3a@aol.com> Message-Id: <4CD0B011-CE7C-11D9-9C87-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 1.053 (*) HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--716712639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Assuming you are on windows and have a sound card for your laptop, pick up Chainer (http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html) as a host, then get some plugins like Mobius (http://www.zonemobius.com/) or, one of my faves, ellotronixXL (downloadable from http://www.audioracle.com/freesoft.php). Then go to http://www.kvraudio.com/ and search for free plugins for post-loop mangling. You will find hours of fun. On Thursday, May 26, 2005, at 09:34 PM, Tomatohorse2000@aol.com wrote: > Hi there :-) > > I am a young, aspiring musician with (unfortunately) empty pockets. > What is the cheapest way possible to do live looping during > performances? I've been looking for software that does the equivalent > of looping hardware. So, for example, during a gig I'd be able to hook > up my guitar to a laptop, play something, and have it start looping > immediately after I finish (maybe by hitting the spacebar or > something). Does such software exist or will I have to save up for > some hardware? > > Much thanks, > ~ Peter > --Apple-Mail-2--716712639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Assuming you are on windows and have a sound card for your laptop, pick up Chainer (http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html) as a host, then get some plugins like Mobius (http://www.zonemobius.com/) or, one of my faves, ellotronixXL (downloadable from http://www.audioracle.com/freesoft.php). Then go to http://www.kvraudio.com/ and search for free plugins for post-loop mangling. You will find hours of fun. On Thursday, May 26, 2005, at 09:34 PM, Tomatohorse2000@aol.com wrote: ArialHi there :-) I am a young, aspiring musician with (unfortunately) empty pockets. What is the cheapest way possible to do live looping during performances? I've been looking for software that does the equivalent of looping hardware. So, for example, during a gig I'd be able to hook up my guitar to a laptop, play something, and have it start looping immediately after I finish (maybe by hitting the spacebar or something). Does such software exist or will I have to save up for some hardware? Much thanks, ~ Peter --Apple-Mail-2--716712639-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 03:08:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R75Gf24618; Fri, 27 May 2005 03:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: TC Electronics Fireworx Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:04:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Anyone using a TC Electronics Fireworx in a live looping context (together with looping devices)? Caring to share some experience with that box? Some questions: What does it sound like when changing presets? I mean, is the reverb cut off with a loud squeech or does it go smoothly into the next setting? Maybe it's not suitable for reverb? What about the built in "sequencer"? What's the latency when playing directly THROUGH it? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 05:13:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R9AEq06939; Fri, 27 May 2005 05:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 05:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:09:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill my rack! From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could try a VF-1 if you can find one. I got my last one new for GBP 189 last year. Bit like the old SE-70, it does delay, flange, chorus, phase, reverb, pitchshift, filter, amp simulation and guitar synth noises. You can assign four parameters per patch to four different (or the same) controller. It's a half rack unit so if you like it you can got back for seconds. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > Hey kids. Let's have some fun! > > Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay. (vocal > processor/pitch corrector) I'd purchased it because I > thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music and > my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to > sing and was very timid about her voice. I thought a > little help might give her confidence. Anyway, I > never ended up doing pop music and the woman decided > that a man named Randal was more her style. (in the > end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space rack > unit was collecting dust for the last year. > > To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the proceeds to > get myself a new toy! It's been a while. My > parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of > $400 and take up one rackspace. I have most of the > conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is > something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or > something very tweakable for a performance. Could go > in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a > Repeater. Have at it! FILL MY RACK! > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 05:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4R9mwb10930; Fri, 27 May 2005 05:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 05:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c562a3$56050cd0$cb01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: Drum Loops? Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:03:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C56268.A6472B50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.84/895/Thu May 26 13:22:24 2005 on mail.kelloggcreek.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C56268.A6472B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Loopers, I'm trying to do some home recording, nothing fancy, just "demo" = recordings. I just got Adobe Audition, and I'm starting to figure it = out. It looks like I can use drum loops in Audition and play my other = tracks over it, which is something I've never been able to do before. = I'm just a bass player, so all this technical stuff is beyond me. Anyway, I'm looking for some drum loops or samples or whatever you = call it, to experiment with. I just want regular old drums, not hip hop = stuff or MIDI samples. I tried looking for some on my own, but all I = could find was stuff for DJ's, or drum tracks with all sorts of extra = stuff on top of the actual drums. Can anyone point me in the right direction or give me any advice? = The files I have now are .cel files, if that makes any difference. I = feel like I'm in way over my head here, all I want to do is have some = drum tracks on my little home recordings. =20 Thanks! -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C56268.A6472B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hey = Loopers,
    I'm trying to do = some home=20 recording, nothing fancy, just "demo" recordings.  I just got Adobe = Audition, and I'm starting to figure it out.  It looks like I can = use drum=20 loops in Audition and play my other tracks over it, which is something = I've=20 never been able to do before.  I'm just a bass player, so all this=20 technical stuff is beyond me.
    Anyway, I'm looking = for some=20 drum loops or samples or whatever you call it, to experiment with.  = I just=20 want regular old drums, not hip hop stuff or MIDI samples.  I tried = looking=20 for some on my own, but all I could find was stuff for DJ's, or drum = tracks with=20 all sorts of extra stuff on top of the actual drums.
    Can anyone point me = in the right=20 direction or give me any advice?  The files I have now are .cel = files, if=20 that makes any difference.  I feel like I'm in way over my head = here, all I=20 want to do is have some drum tracks on my little home recordings. =20
    Thanks!
    = -Jonathan
    www.badspatula.com
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C56268.A6472B50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 06:59:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RAsCI20047; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:53:32 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: TC Electronics Fireworx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, I am using Fireworx i, but I use only it for multi effector for mix or sound design... what is built in sequencer? (or my OS is very old?) Greetings from Japan Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com At 9:04 AM +0200 05.5.27, Per Boysen wrote: >Hi Loopers, > >Anyone using a TC Electronics Fireworx in a live looping context >(together with looping devices)? Caring to share some experience >with that box? > >Some questions: >What does it sound like when changing presets? I mean, is the reverb >cut off with a loud squeech or does it go smoothly into the next >setting? Maybe it's not suitable for reverb? What about the built in >"sequencer"? What's the latency when playing directly THROUGH it? > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.looproom.com (international) >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) >http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >---> iTunes Music Store (digital) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 07:32:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RBUcD25332; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EYQXT/RGDyhDa9jXET+SsBoFFM7/6tiTxVI8b6/LPeszHIR1yBeYed4n39qQ6673E6wsdxepa0f+GXJ/LnrZ7OO4P3bXXua3IlU+u9X4bmcf65+SMxbt+V7wauNHt1mn57ReTsRmGBb8Tp6E27uZedVF6AzQH/dA3kS7SjR9aTk= ; Message-ID: <20050527112927.52056.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >...is the html curse gone?.....is my broadcast PURE?... Try this: -t- __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 08:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RCFVO31326; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <042301c562b5$b1ba5af0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: question for Kim Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 05:14:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Kim, I have noticed that frequently when I post to Loopers Delight that my subject head is abbreviated when the digest is published, many times in ways that to my way of thinking obscure the content of my message to the community. I complete understand the need to shorten subject lines and I have a tendency to be a little verbose but in the latest example. I posted this subject "Japan Loop Tour Diary #1" A subject that I surmised would be of some interest to at least some of the daily digest readers. It's subject line was truncated in the daily digest to merely "#1" a truncation which, I would think, is pretty misleading as to the actual contents of the letter. Again............truncation may have been efficacious except for the fact that twice in the very same digest there was another letter whose subject read: "......from the "Pearl" to my personal pearl........" This is obviously quite a bit longer than "Japan Loop Tour Diary" I don't want to be paranoid but I wonder if I am being censored or not. I wonder if, as an example, when this particular message hits the daily digest it's subject line will read merely "question". Am I being too sensitive? yours, respectfully, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 08:46:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RCiZu03514; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <445B8F65-49E7-457A-8861-6BC6735529C6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TC Electronics Fireworx Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:43:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 27, 2005, at 12:53, Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi Per, > > I am using Fireworx i, but I use only it for multi effector for mix > or sound design... > what is built in sequencer? (or my OS is very old?) I don't know, I just read about the "simple built in sequencer" in some online review. But fact is I managed to grab a Fireworx at extremely cut down price at a music store sell out. So far I think the vocoder is the most usable feature for live use. And the chord harmonizer if playing monophonic instruments through the box. I'll check it out more to see what the reviewer meant by "built in sequencer". BTW, Sunao, many thanks for the disc I bought! I'm enjoying "an impulse of acoustic" very much! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 08:56:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RCsjL05644; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429719CB.8000003@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:59:55 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #427 for May 26, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050526.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #427 May 26, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the Atlanta Georgia-based TouchXtone. The Featured CD at Midnight was "EyeDrum and Beyond." The Vinyl Starter was from the soundtrack LP "Risky Business" by Tangerine Dream on Geffen and Virgin Records, released in 1984. I played the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music festival. Details and links are at the EMUSIC events page. I announced the contest to rename EMUSIC. TouchXtone - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#may Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html Rename EMUSIC Contest - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rename.html PLAYLIST: 11:00 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Tangerine Dream Love On A Real Train Risky Business (Geffen/Virgin) VA [Modulator ESP] Transpatial Awakenings 2005 (AmbientLive) VA [Fringe Element] Breeding Facility electro-music 2005 Sampler (electro-music media) ARC Arcturus - Part 1 Arcturus (DiN) Conrad Schnitzler and 01. Mi.T.-CON 04 (none) Michael Thomas Roe Cassiel Insidious Sedation LISTEN/MOVE (Atomic City) 12:00 am TouchXtone Alien Radio On A EyeDrum and Beyond (none) Moonless Night TouchXtone Age of Desire EyeDrum and Beyond (none) TouchXtone Du Chill 1 EyeDrum and Beyond (none) TouchXtone Solar Flare EyeDrum and Beyond (none) TouchXtone Acid Wash EyeDrum and Beyond (none) TouchXtone Your Brightest Star EyeDrum and Beyond (none) TouchXtone A Perfect Future In EyeDrum and Beyond (none) Real Estate 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sequencer Loops" on the AMP label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ignacio" by Vangelis on EGG Records, released in 1977. I will play the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music festival. Details and links are at the EMUSIC events page. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 09:35:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RDXHx11274; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <42.6a02bde3.2fc87b4b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:31:55 EDT Subject: pan pipes again/new album To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was putting together a new album when up came the thread about how the pan pipe synthesizer patch sounds inevitably New Age, and I noticed that I used some sort of similar patch on a song. I had slowed it down and liked the breathy percussive quality of it. If I was making a list of my influences, the Baka pygmies would be near the top of the list and New Age music would not even be on the page. I can't tell, but I figure if anything a couple of the songs might sound like New Age music with hemorrhoids or New Age music that forgot to take its meds. The album is just up at CD Baby - all the tracks have soundclips. title: Map of the Sky http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 Hope there is some enjoyment to be found there. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 10:04:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RE2dm16686; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:02:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200505271335.j4RDZ5u11445@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505271335.j4RDZ5u11445@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85bd6eae97e9c99e0dbf29240bc5f963@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tomatohorse2000@aol.com From: Os Subject: Re: Live Software Loopers Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:00:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html cheers, os. On 27 May 2005, at 14:35, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Tomatohorse2000@aol.com > Date: 27 May 2005 05:34:02 BST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live Software Loopers > > > Hi there :-) > > I am a young, aspiring musician with (unfortunately) empty pockets. > What is the cheapest way possible to do live looping during > performances? I've been looking for software that does the equivalent > of looping hardware. So, for example, during a gig I'd be able to hook > up my guitar to a laptop, play something, and have it start looping > immediately after I finish (maybe by hitting the spacebar or > something). Does such software exist or will I have to save up for > some hardware? > > Much thanks, > ~ Peter > > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 10:09:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RE7Yd17505; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:07:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4296B847.1000505@toadmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 02:03:51 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Software Loopers References: <4CD0B011-CE7C-11D9-9C87-000A95A5D158@peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4CD0B011-CE7C-11D9-9C87-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'd definitely recommend Mobius (http://www.zonemobius.com). I was having great fun with it before the Windows half of my Linux/Windows box died. At this point Mobius is the only reason I'd put any time in reinstalling Windows on the machine. :) One more thing I'd recommend is saving your pennies for an FCB1010 (about $150 new). It's a pedal type MIDI controller. Hook it up to your laptop and (after a little programming) you can trigger your software looper with your feet; a neccessity in my opinion. (If you go this route, check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ for help getting the FCB set up. It can be a little intimidating at first.) Good luck! Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 11:02:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RF0pU25734; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c562cc$acd3a890$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002201c562a3$56050cd0$cb01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> Subject: Re: Drum Loops? Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:56:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C562AA.C2EE59D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C562AA.C2EE59D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jonathan, Take a look at HammerHead http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/ . It's = a very simple drum machine. You can program loops, export them as wav, = then use them in Live. It's big brother Tuareg is nice, but has more = than just drums. A little surfing around will get you some decent plain old drum samples. = If you can't find any, let me know and I'll upload some acoustic drum = set samples for you. http://www.musicbootcamp.com/audio_sample_library.shtml http://www.users.bigpond.com/prodigalson/drum.htm Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Drum Loops? Hey Loopers, I'm trying to do some home recording, nothing fancy, just "demo" = recordings. I just got Adobe Audition, and I'm starting to figure it = out. It looks like I can use drum loops in Audition and play my other = tracks over it, which is something I've never been able to do before. = I'm just a bass player, so all this technical stuff is beyond me. Anyway, I'm looking for some drum loops or samples or whatever you = call it, to experiment with. I just want regular old drums, not hip hop = stuff or MIDI samples. I tried looking for some on my own, but all I = could find was stuff for DJ's, or drum tracks with all sorts of extra = stuff on top of the actual drums. Can anyone point me in the right direction or give me any advice? = The files I have now are .cel files, if that makes any difference. I = feel like I'm in way over my head here, all I want to do is have some = drum tracks on my little home recordings. =20 Thanks! -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C562AA.C2EE59D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jonathan,
 
Take a look at HammerHead http://www.threechords.co= m/hammerhead/ . =20 It's a very simple drum machine.  You can program loops, export = them as=20 wav, then use them in Live.  It's big brother Tuareg is nice, but = has more=20 than just drums.
 
A little surfing around will get you = some decent=20 plain old drum samples.  If you can't find any, let me know and = I'll upload=20 some acoustic drum set samples for you.
 
http://w= ww.musicbootcamp.com/audio_sample_library.shtml
http://www.use= rs.bigpond.com/prodigalson/drum.htm
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:03 = AM
Subject: Drum Loops?

    Hey = Loopers,
    I'm trying to do = some home=20 recording, nothing fancy, just "demo" recordings.  I just got = Adobe=20 Audition, and I'm starting to figure it out.  It looks like I can = use=20 drum loops in Audition and play my other tracks over it, which is = something=20 I've never been able to do before.  I'm just a bass player, so = all this=20 technical stuff is beyond me.
    Anyway, I'm = looking for some=20 drum loops or samples or whatever you call it, to experiment = with.  I=20 just want regular old drums, not hip hop stuff or MIDI samples.  = I tried=20 looking for some on my own, but all I could find was stuff for DJ's, = or drum=20 tracks with all sorts of extra stuff on top of the actual = drums.
    Can anyone point = me in the=20 right direction or give me any advice?  The files I have now are = .cel=20 files, if that makes any difference.  I feel like I'm in way over = my head=20 here, all I want to do is have some drum tracks on my little home=20 recordings. 
    = Thanks!
    = -Jonathan
    www.badspatula.com
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C562AA.C2EE59D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 11:15:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RF7Sf26541; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t0ItWZWZfPIvBKCG9/4YW7O+1FAP1LcqlUkVGHUBwgDDWqj3W1oD9hv4H/u0RMJn0BvRFWnGQEaYLWiAk5bMPfgUg8HeGFd86hRMBbqv8yPM8AIA0iB7cCSXxCkqMx5z5ci20FCahZE87TDO0Uu3PsHL/Po89knwIsqgFGg+BkM= ; Message-ID: <20050527150655.71754.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: playing outdoor - power generators? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200505271335.j4RDZ5O11448@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't use one myself, though I have friends who have been playing on the street for the last 20 years. They swear by Honda generators for being trouble free and very quiet. Stephen >>>I seem to ask this question yearly but this year i'm determined to act on playing outdoors - any recommendations for outdoor power generators? I'm using an edp, 2 synths, one keyboard that needs power and a 250 watt amp - would like to be able to play for say 4 hours?<<< __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 11:19:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RFCtW27418; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:12:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:12:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bq3hP7gaVOtOqSS9KSqyVScOjeY1/44oXKi1SPzWvpC5cN04L63fh1cEl2qSVdAOwFxYJeAjw0zOPqPsuYlm+OwZCSdLv5T6fR5Ji2fSKB7QXUe4evpMFULtgSIgRz1zxfMPcs5eOWk2lLgLT3xMZ8UNmMuSHcvA/PWNnO2i/oM= ; Message-ID: <20050527151222.6437.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Drum Loops? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200505271335.j4RDZ5O11448@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan, You can go to Adobe's website and download a whole bunch of drum loops as well as other kinds of loops in a lot of different styles. You don't even have to have a registered copy of Audition to download them. From there, you can layer together whatever loops you like to make a more or less complex sound to your taste. The .cel file is (I believe) unique to Audition and you can use .wav files just as easily. There is a lot of stuff in the manual on how to do all this, though most of my learning from the analog world was able to transfer over easily to the world of Audition (Cool Edit Pro). Stephen >>> Hey Loopers, I'm trying to do some home recording, nothing fancy, just "demo" recordings. I just got Adobe Audition, and I'm starting to figure it out. It looks like I can use drum loops in Audition and play my other tracks over it, which is something I've never been able to do before. I'm just a bass player, so all this technical stuff is beyond me. Anyway, I'm looking for some drum loops or samples or whatever you call it, to experiment with. I just want regular old drums, not hip hop stuff or MIDI samples. I tried looking for some on my own, but all I could find was stuff for DJ's, or drum tracks with all sorts of extra stuff on top of the actual drums. Can anyone point me in the right direction or give me any advice? The files I have now are .cel files, if that makes any difference. I feel like I'm in way over my head here, all I want to do is have some drum tracks on my little home recordings. Thanks! -Jonathan<<< __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 11:25:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RFNAa28976; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050527152159.9761.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0sn3nD.A.eCH.cszlCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is actually at the top of my list right now. I have one that's dedicated to drums but I was considering one for guitar as well. Mark --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > My > >parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood > of > >$400 and take up one rackspace. I have most of the > >conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is > >something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or > >something very tweakable for a performance. > > Line 6 Filter Pro? > > It's definitely different, very tweakable, and in > your price range. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 11:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RFZId30465; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:35:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:35:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.3cc5a6e8.2fc897fd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:34:21 EDT Subject: Re: Drum Loops? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.3cc5a6e8.2fc897fd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d4.3cc5a6e8.2fc897fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy all, I have tried and found that some of the Acid loop library disks to be very=20 useful. I'm a mac guy, so I don't even use the Acid program (which is PC only). But=20 their loop sample libraries are fairly extensive and widely available. All of the=20 samples are basically in .WAV format anyway so you can open them in any other progra= m (pretty much) or load them in most samplers. I won't recommend any particula= r=20 disk 'cause I don't know what sort of style/feel you're after. But a good place t= o=20 start might be their "Drum Toolz" disk. Also, there are currently 116 items on eBa= y=20 that come up with the search: "Acid Loops Drums." You might take a look there.=20 Then again you can also beg or borrow some drums, cymbals and other=20 percussion=20 stuff, get a metronome (or drum machine) and record your own. You don't have= =20 to=20 even be a good drummer yourself. And there's my favorite trick of taking=20 items from=20 the kitchen cupboards or the garage and banging on 'em (and then wildly=20 processing=20 the heck out of 'em). When looped, these can sound pretty doggone good. Another word of advice . . . never, never, ever, say "I'm just a bass=20 player." I may be "just a guitarist" myself but there are lots of bass players who's chops,= =20 knowledge and downright uncanny musicality I envy very much. Steve Lawson and Max=20 Valentino=20 (both on this list) are a couple of them . . . just to name a few.=20 Best of luck, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1d4.3cc5a6e8.2fc897fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy all,

I have tried and found that some of the Acid loop library disks to be very u= seful.

I'm a mac guy, so I don't even use the Acid program (which is PC only). But=20= their
loop sample libraries are fairly extensive and widely available. All of the=20= samples
are basically in .WAV format anyway so you can open them in any other progra= m
(pretty much) or load them in most samplers. I won't recommend any particula= r disk
'cause I don't know what sort of style/feel you're after. But a good place t= o start
might be their "Drum Toolz" disk. Also, there are currently 116 items on eBa= y that
come up with the search: "Acid Loops Drums." You might take a look there.
Then again you can also beg or borrow some drums, cymbals and other percussi= on
stuff, get a metronome (or drum machine) and record your own. You don't have= to
even be a good drummer yourself. And there's my favorite trick of taking ite= ms from
the kitchen cupboards or the garage and banging on 'em (and then wildly proc= essing
the heck out of 'em). When looped, these can sound pretty doggone good.

Another word of advice . . . never, never, ever, say "I'm just a bass player= ." I may
be "just a guitarist" myself but there are lots of bass players who's chops,= knowledge
and downright uncanny musicality I envy very much. Steve Lawson and Max Vale= ntino
(both on this list) are a couple of them . . . just to name a few.

Best of luck,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1d4.3cc5a6e8.2fc897fd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 11:42:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RFejR31214; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.3c6ac6e9.2fc89950@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:40:00 EDT Subject: Re: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1de.3c6ac6e9.2fc89950_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1de.3c6ac6e9.2fc89950_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marko, So sorry to hear about the bustup. Try an Alesis Akira (big brother=20 to the Ineko) as an antidote. Too much fun. It won't ease the pain=20 but it may distract you from it a little while -- or a Moogerfooger or two. Best, Ted In a message dated 05/26/05 20:49:33, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hey kids.=A0 Let's have some fun! >=20 > Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay.=A0 (vocal > processor/pitch corrector)=A0 I'd purchased it because I > thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music and > my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to > sing and was very timid about her voice.=A0 I thought a > little help might give her confidence.=A0 Anyway, I > never ended up doing pop music and the woman decided > that a man named Randal was more her style. (in the > end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space rack > unit was collecting dust for the last year. >=20 > To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the proceeds to > get myself a new toy!=A0 It's been a while.=A0 My > parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of > $400 and take up one rackspace.=A0 I have most of the > conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is > something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or > something very tweakable for a performance.=A0 Could go > in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a > Repeater.=A0 Have at it!=A0 FILL MY RACK! >=20 > Mark >=20 "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1de.3c6ac6e9.2fc89950_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marko,

So sorry to hear about the bustup. Try an Alesis Akira (big brother
to the Ineko) as an antidote. Too much fun. It won't ease the pain
but it may distract you from it a little while -- or a Moogerfooger
or two.

Best,

Ted

In a message dated 05/26/05 20:49:33, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes:

Hey kids.=A0 Let's hav= e some fun!

Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay.=A0 (vocal
processor/pitch corrector)=A0 I'd purchased it because I
thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music and
my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to
sing and was very timid about her voice.=A0 I thought a
little help might give her confidence.=A0 Anyway, I
never ended up doing pop music and the woman decided
that a man named Randal was more her style. (in the
end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space rack
unit was collecting dust for the last year.

To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the proceeds to
get myself a new toy!=A0 It's been a while.=A0 My
parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of
$400 and take up one rackspace.=A0 I have most of the
conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is
something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or
something very tweakable for a performance.=A0 Could go
in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a
Repeater.=A0 Have at it!=A0 FILL MY RACK!

Mark


"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_1de.3c6ac6e9.2fc89950_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 12:31:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RGRKo04837; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:27:28 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff To: Nemoguitt@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008f01c562d9$015685c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JuMfOTPombsyLuq6ilKagg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JuMfOTPombsyLuq6ilKagg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yeow! Poor Michael's HTML dilemma caused me to check my own settings, and I've been sending in HTML myself all these e-years! But I've never experienced a problem...! This is being sent in non-HTML, plain text format. Anyone notice a change? A little more straightforward, perhaps? dB ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: HTML and other stuff spent a good deal of time today trying to figure out how to unhtml my mail program.....pushed and pulled every button in here.....downloaded a new AOL OSX updated program.....is the html curse gone?.....is my broadcast PURE?.....please tell me it is, i feel like such a clone.....WOW RICK!.....sounds like a wonderful time was had in JAPAN.....i'm dripping with envy.....i'm diggin the cross-over direction into the goth/vocal/?.....CW.....i loved your MP-3s, is there a cd in the offing?.....am i clean yet?.....mic --Boundary_(ID_JuMfOTPombsyLuq6ilKagg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Yeow! Poor Michael's HTML dilemma caused me to check my own settings, and I've been sending in HTML myself all these e-years! But I've never experienced a problem...! This is being sent in non-HTML, plain text format. Anyone notice a change? A little more straightforward, perhaps?
 
dB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: HTML and other stuff

spent a good deal of time today trying to figure out how to unhtml my mail program.....pushed and pulled every button in here.....downloaded a new AOL OSX updated program.....is the html curse gone?.....is my broadcast PURE?.....please tell me it is, i feel like such a clone.....WOW RICK!.....sounds like a wonderful time was had in JAPAN.....i'm dripping with envy.....i'm diggin the cross-over direction into the goth/vocal/?.....CW.....i loved your MP-3s, is there a cd in the offing?.....am i clean yet?.....mic
--Boundary_(ID_JuMfOTPombsyLuq6ilKagg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 13:14:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RHBfp10844; Fri, 27 May 2005 13:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the condolences, but I'm fine. More than fine actually, really happy. Some doors close others open. The interesting thing is early in the relationship I saw the end so when it came I was all, "Oh yeah, of course." Sad as it may be, some people seem intent on reliving past trauma and keeping their life chaotic. Back to the topic... I'm seeing something that's very, very interesting. In my research I'm finding that it's as if we've reached some kind of plateau. When I started all this madness so much was NEW. Now it seems as if we've reached the end of something. Most modern hardware is either digital emulations of the past (some very good) or rehashes of the same basic effects we've had since the 80s. Most of you know this, but I used to work for Laurie Anderson for a short time. I saw her a few years ago doing her Moby Dick tour, and (the show was excellent musically) I thought, "There's nothing she's going that can't be done with a computer and some off the shelf software." That's both exciting and sad. Have we done everything that can be done sonically? How postmodern! It seems as if I've built the studio I always dreamed of. Kind of weird when you get to a point like this. I've been putting this together since 1980... and now it's over? Kind of cool. On the other hand, it seems that there are some new things coming out but they're software. As much as I'm a fan of dedicated hardware, I think this point in time is it's swansong. Perhaps it's time to keep this space in my rack open and upgrade my G4 500 laptop to something beefier. Mark --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Marko, > > So sorry to hear about the bustup. Try an Alesis > Akira (big brother > to the Ineko) as an antidote. Too much fun. It won't > ease the pain > but it may distract you from it a little while -- or > a Moogerfooger > or two. > > Best, > > Ted > > In a message dated 05/26/05 20:49:33, > marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > Hey kids.  Let's have some fun! > > > > Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay.  (vocal > > processor/pitch corrector)  I'd purchased it > because I > > thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music > and > > my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to > > sing and was very timid about her voice.  I > thought a > > little help might give her confidence.  Anyway, I > > never ended up doing pop music and the woman > decided > > that a man named Randal was more her style. (in > the > > end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space > rack > > unit was collecting dust for the last year. > > > > To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the > proceeds to > > get myself a new toy!  It's been a while.  My > > parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood > of > > $400 and take up one rackspace.  I have most of > the > > conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for > is > > something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect > or > > something very tweakable for a performance.  Could > go > > in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a > > Repeater.  Have at it!  FILL MY RACK! > > > > Mark > > > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 13:25:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RHNRg12652; Fri, 27 May 2005 13:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Fill my rack! Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:23:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c562e0$dcf1aef0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4RHMbx12354 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's the same with uses of available technology as it is with art or science. One genius thinks up a new thing. Then the not-so-geniusses learn to perfect it for decades, until they reach a point where they think everything has been done and nothing new is possible. Then a new genius arrives. And as you mention that this point in time is the swansong of dedicated hardware, may I point your attention to cranesong? It will still be some time until the people using these will replace them with software... Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Mai 2005 19:11 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Fill my rack! Thanks for the condolences, but I'm fine. More than fine actually, really happy. Some doors close others open. The interesting thing is early in the relationship I saw the end so when it came I was all, "Oh yeah, of course." Sad as it may be, some people seem intent on reliving past trauma and keeping their life chaotic. Back to the topic... I'm seeing something that's very, very interesting. In my research I'm finding that it's as if we've reached some kind of plateau. When I started all this madness so much was NEW. Now it seems as if we've reached the end of something. Most modern hardware is either digital emulations of the past (some very good) or rehashes of the same basic effects we've had since the 80s. Most of you know this, but I used to work for Laurie Anderson for a short time. I saw her a few years ago doing her Moby Dick tour, and (the show was excellent musically) I thought, "There's nothing she's going that can't be done with a computer and some off the shelf software." That's both exciting and sad. Have we done everything that can be done sonically? How postmodern! It seems as if I've built the studio I always dreamed of. Kind of weird when you get to a point like this. I've been putting this together since 1980... and now it's over? Kind of cool. On the other hand, it seems that there are some new things coming out but they're software. As much as I'm a fan of dedicated hardware, I think this point in time is it's swansong. Perhaps it's time to keep this space in my rack open and upgrade my G4 500 laptop to something beefier. Mark --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Marko, > > So sorry to hear about the bustup. Try an Alesis > Akira (big brother > to the Ineko) as an antidote. Too much fun. It won't > ease the pain > but it may distract you from it a little while -- or > a Moogerfooger > or two. > > Best, > > Ted > > In a message dated 05/26/05 20:49:33, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net > writes: > > > > Hey kids.  Let's have some fun! > > > > Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay.  (vocal processor/pitch > > corrector)  I'd purchased it > because I > > thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music > and > > my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to > > sing and was very timid about her voice.  I > thought a > > little help might give her confidence.  Anyway, I > > never ended up doing pop music and the woman > decided > > that a man named Randal was more her style. (in > the > > end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space > rack > > unit was collecting dust for the last year. > > > > To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the > proceeds to > > get myself a new toy!  It's been a while.  My > > parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood > of > > $400 and take up one rackspace.  I have most of > the > > conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for > is > > something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect > or > > something very tweakable for a performance.  Could > go > > in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a > > Repeater.  Have at it!  FILL MY RACK! > > > > Mark > > > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 13:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RHXC014386; Fri, 27 May 2005 13:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1117215089!7013589!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A0ED@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: HTML and other stuff Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:32:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C562E2.104AB6B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C562E2.104AB6B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 14:25:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RIKQ820426; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429764C5.5050507@bagend.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:19:49 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: playing outdoor - power generators? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whatever you get, make sure it has a Honda engine under the hood. Steve Sandberg wrote: > I seem to ask this question yearly but this year i'm determined to act > on playing outdoors - > any recommendations for outdoor power generators? I'm using an edp, 2 > synths, one keyboard that needs power and a 250 watt amp - would like to > be able to play for say 4 hours? > thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 15:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RJG5a28962; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:15:33 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Fill my rack! In-reply-to: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <429771D5.50303@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark sottilaro wrote: > On the other hand, it seems that there are some new > things coming out but they're software. As much as > I'm a fan of dedicated hardware, I think this point in > time is it's swansong. This has been hotly debated on any number of forums. I happen to agree with this, though I'm not sure we're going to see any major shift within the next ten years. This isn't like CD vs. vinyl, it will be a more gradual change. I think it is becoming pointless to argue about which is "better" at a technical level. What is important is the harsh economic reality that it is *dramatically* cheaper to produce software than hardware. Any knowledgeable person with a few thousand dollars worth of tools can make a VST plugin. This is where you are going to see the most innovation. Currently, this movement is held in check by another harsh reality. PC's are simply not as reliable as dedicated hardware. But think back to what a "pc" was 20 years ago, what will it be 20 years from now? It can only get better. But if you're a hardware manufacturer, in 20 years you're still going be dealing with labor, supply chains, inventory, distribution, and repairs. Unless dedicated hardware is so dramatically better in some way than the competing software, it just won't make economic sense to manufacture. I'm sure dedicated hardware will continue to have a niche at the high end, and maybe the high-volume low end (e.g. stompboxes). But for mainstream signal processing, my belief is that we will eventually evolve to a small number of general purpose hardware platforms, designed to be rugged and stable, which then host the software. Heck, have you looked at the specs of a game machine lately? Stick an 8x8 audio interface in an X-Box and you're almost there. In not too many years we'll have 100GB flash ram cards so you won't need those nasty spinning disks. About the only stability issue that won't be solved in my lifetime are the security holes in Internet Explorer :-) Flame on! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 15:49:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RJlTp01306; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:46:56 EDT Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e6.6aa2a347.2fc8d330_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e6.6aa2a347.2fc8d330_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/27/05 1:20:44 AM, iep@mail.dk writes: > > is the html curse gone? > > 'Fraid not ... > > could some aol user plese tell me how to fix this.....PLEASE.....thanks.....mic --part1_e6.6aa2a347.2fc8d330_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/27/05 1:20:44 AM, iep@mail.dk writes:


> is the html c= urse gone?

'Fraid not ...



could some aol user plese tell me how to fix this.....PLEASE.....thanks.....= mic --part1_e6.6aa2a347.2fc8d330_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 16:38:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RKb7h07723; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:36:20 EDT Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b7.58c44eed.2fc8dec4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: <6oF5rD.A.i3B.PT4lCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b7.58c44eed.2fc8dec4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/27/05 7:30:42 AM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > http://www.efn.no/html-bad.html > thanks tim.....the gist of this site is that AOL after AOL 6 removed the ability to disengage the HTML feature.....early copies of AOL 7 allowed this to be done but it seems that up-grades after a certain date also removed the "plain text" feature.....several times i have called AOL over the past two days and when i asked them how to get rid of the HTML in my mail program all of the techies seemed to skirt the issue and just told me to install the latest AOL program.....I AM AT WITS END!.....i have spent several hours on the phone waiting to speak to "larry" who sounded very much like "ali" and i could neither hear nor understand much of their "english".....to those that are upset by the HTML in my mails, i am sorry.....i am doing my best to get this worked out.....till then i will try to be as quiet as a dead man.....mic --part1_b7.58c44eed.2fc8dec4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/27/05 7:30:42 AM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


http://www.efn.no/= html-bad.html


thanks tim.....the gist of this site is that AOL after AOL 6 removed the abi= lity to disengage the HTML feature.....early copies of AOL 7 allowed this to= be done but it seems that up-grades after a certain date also removed the "= plain text" feature.....several times i have called AOL over the past two da= ys and when i asked them how to get rid of the HTML in my mail program all o= f the techies seemed to skirt the issue and just told me to install the late= st AOL program.....I AM AT WITS END!.....i have spent several hours on the p= hone waiting to speak to "larry" who sounded very much like "ali" and i coul= d neither hear nor understand much of their "english".....to those that are=20= upset by the HTML in my mails, i am sorry.....i am doing my best to get this= worked out.....till then i will try to be as quiet as a dead man.....mic --part1_b7.58c44eed.2fc8dec4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 16:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RKoNw08941; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:47:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you considered Comcast (etc.) instead of AOL? Seems like a reasonable solution to me. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 16:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RKs3h09342; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:54:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,144,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="40174289:sNHT20438212" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050527134848.0157d0e8@.> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:52:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: OT: gear stolen in Las Vegas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forwarding this from the Mermen list - if you're near Las Vegas please watch for this UHaul trailer. Mermen's Gear Stolen in Las Vegas! HELP!! The Mermen suffered a disasterous tragedy last night (5/26/05) in Las Vegas after their show at the Hard Rock Cafe. The UHaul trailer that they had all of their gear stored in was stolen from the oversize parking lot at The Flamingo Hotel/Casino. The lost all of their amps, Jim's guitars, Jennifer's bass, Martyn's drums, cables, Jaime's video projection equipment. They are all devastated, and need help getting their gear back. $$$ They are willing to pay a reward for the return of their gear. The UHaul trailer that was stolen had a Chicago travel ad on the side, and the license plate # is: Arkansas PT103498. The UHaul number is : AU34671C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 18:05:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RM3v119495; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <4297993C.1050002@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:03:40 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Electronics Fireworx References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <445B8F65-49E7-457A-8861-6BC6735529C6@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <445B8F65-49E7-457A-8861-6BC6735529C6@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Fireworx to process the loops. The changing preset time is a little long but I have set a wet/dry fader on my switchblade to prevent the dropout. I think its filters are some of the most musical ones and I prefer them over the Orville's ones. I have never used it as a sequencer (I process loops live). If you can buy it cheap I would reccomend it as a post-processing tool ( very good compressor also). best, luca Per Boysen wrote: > On May 27, 2005, at 12:53, Sunao Inami wrote: > >> Hi Per, >> >> I am using Fireworx i, but I use only it for multi effector for mix >> or sound design... >> what is built in sequencer? (or my OS is very old?) > > > I don't know, I just read about the "simple built in sequencer" in > some online review. But fact is I managed to grab a Fireworx at > extremely cut down price at a music store sell out. So far I think > the vocoder is the most usable feature for live use. And the chord > harmonizer if playing monophonic instruments through the box. I'll > check it out more to see what the reviewer meant by "built in > sequencer". > > BTW, Sunao, many thanks for the disc I bought! I'm enjoying "an > impulse of acoustic" very much! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 18:06:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RM4hp19608; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:04:00 EDT Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ea.6a371da7.2fc8f350_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ea.6a371da7.2fc8f350_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, In a message dated 05/27/05 12:47:33, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > could some aol user please tell me how to fix=20 > this.....PLEASE.....thanks.....mic >=20 Go to: http://www.amsat.org/amsat/listserv/aol.html The gist of which is to say which version of AOL you are using. But here's=20 the info: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ How to Use AOL to send Plain Text only (for the AMSAT mailing lists) To use the AMSAT mailing lists and majordomo subscription system=20 successfully, your mail program must be set up to send plain text only. Many= users of AOL=20 6.0, 7.0, and 8.0 have had difficulty with this. Reportedly, AOL 9.0 once=20 again makes it easy to send a specific message in plain text mode. Just=20 right-click in the message field and select Compose as Plain Text. If you do= n't want to=20 upgrade to version 9.0, here are some tips on how to get AOL to do the right= =20 thing. Note that these tips are based on one particular version of AOL. Details may= =20 vary from version to version. These are reasonable settings to use all the=20 time for most people, but you may prefer others. 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(log on to AOL's online website and send your mail from there). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_ea.6a371da7.2fc8f350_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael,

In a message dated 05/27/05 12:47:33, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

could some aol user pl= ease tell me how to fix this.....PLEASE.....thanks.....mic

Go to: http://www.amsat.org/amsat/listserv/aol.html

The gist of which is to say which version of AOL you are using. But here's t= he info:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

How to Use AOL to send Plain Text only
(for the AMSAT mailing lists)

To use the AMSAT mailing lists and majordomo subscription system successfull= y, your mail program must be set up to send plain text only. Many users of A= OL 6.0, 7.0, and 8.0 have had difficulty with this. Reportedly, AOL 9.0 once= again makes it easy to send a specific message in plain text mode. Just rig= ht-click in the message field and select Compose as Plain Text. If you don't= want to upgrade to version 9.0, here are some tips on how to get AOL to do=20= the right thing.

Note that these tips are based on one particular version of AOL. Details may= vary from version to version. These are reasonable settings to use all the=20= time for most people, but you may prefer others. Feel free to use other sett= ings for your other email, but please use the settings suggested here when y= ou send mail to the AMSAT.ORG system.

The Trick for AOL 6.0
     1.       Make sure your f= ont is set to Arial=A010, the AOL default.
     2.       Create a message= using only default Arial=A010 type. Any quoted text pasted in from another=20= message must also be in Arial=A010 type (no bold, other sizes or colors). No= te: if you paste a message that was received in HTML format, it will probabl= y cause you to send in HTML.
     3.       Hit Control-A to= highlight the entire message.
     4.       Right click anyw= here in the message itself: A 'popup menu' will appear. Move the cursor to "= text" and another menu will appear. Move the cursor to "normal" and click on= it.
     5.       Send the message= .

Configure for Plain Text on AOL 7.0
     1.       On the tool bar=20= click on SETTINGS.
     2.       A menu pops up a= nd you click on PREFERENCES.
     3.       Another window o= pens up with 3 columns on it.
     4.       Under the one he= aded COMMUNICATIONS click on FONT, TEXT & GRAPHICS.
     5.       This window open= s and you go to the bottom of it and click on RESET then click on SAVE.
     6.       Do not change an= ything else in this window.
     7.       Then close your=20= windows and you are done. From now on all mail you send will be in plain ASC= II.

No Hope for AOL 8.0

Reportedly AOL 8.0 can't be configured to send plain text. Sorry.

An Alternative . . .

AOL users can send plain text by using the  AOL Mail on the Web facili= ty.

(log on to AOL's online website and send your mail from there).

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
 --part1_ea.6a371da7.2fc8f350_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 19:09:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4RN6SN27840; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:06:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:06:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <4297993C.1050002@unguitar.com> References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <445B8F65-49E7-457A-8861-6BC6735529C6@boysen.se> <4297993C.1050002@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A20E032-9A1C-49DE-B635-5F6F548F0380@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TC Electronics Fireworx Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:04:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now I solved the "sequencer" question, it's a pre-set named so! And this pre-set sounds like a horrible synth sequence! Except for that I'm finding the Fireworx very useful, both for studio mixing and live looping performance. I guess it fits best before a looper so you can build music on-the-fly by looping your instrument through different Fireworx settings. With a flute you can get both a fat bass sound and cosmic pads, as well as some freaky lead sounds (vocoder, chord, whammy pedal). it's a good thing that you can patch so many controllers to different parameters. Have to check the vocoder more... per On May 28, 2005, at 0:03, Luca Formentini wrote: > I use a Fireworx to process the loops. > The changing preset time is a little long but I have set a wet/dry > fader on my switchblade to prevent the dropout. > I think its filters are some of the most musical ones and I prefer > them over the Orville's ones. > I have never used it as a sequencer (I process loops live). > If you can buy it cheap I would reccomend it as a post-processing > tool ( very good compressor also). > best, > luca > > Per Boysen wrote: > > >> On May 27, 2005, at 12:53, Sunao Inami wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Per, >>> >>> I am using Fireworx i, but I use only it for multi effector for >>> mix or sound design... >>> what is built in sequencer? (or my OS is very old?) >>> >> >> >> I don't know, I just read about the "simple built in sequencer" >> in some online review. But fact is I managed to grab a Fireworx >> at extremely cut down price at a music store sell out. So far I >> think the vocoder is the most usable feature for live use. And >> the chord harmonizer if playing monophonic instruments through >> the box. I'll check it out more to see what the reviewer meant by >> "built in sequencer". >> >> BTW, Sunao, many thanks for the disc I bought! I'm enjoying "an >> impulse of acoustic" very much! >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 20:12:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S0AfD03951; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200505280010.j4S0A0x03813@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=lHMuy0+BoS02y6b/NSqA6hGH7Zmuls68KB7Fbf9/xUlaRNtRwDhcgE/FeNTIzc7W; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: Vortex Help Needed! Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:09:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C562F7.F8E68BF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcVjGXgScmijFucPSV2oSnXuaKXfEA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc41ceb131bec1f977659a536a415b49f2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.246.214 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C562F7.F8E68BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gurus of the Vortex: I recently bought one used, and after much reading and trying my hand at some patch creation, I think I may have a defective one. It seems that the "Value" knob will not make the rounds from "1 to 64", but instead does this: If the value that is there (from how the unit was given to me) is, say "64", then turning the "Value" knob only flips between "63" and "64". And if the value is, say "10", then turning the "Value" knob only flips between "10" and "9". I hope I am being clear about this. That being said, all the patches that are Presets, sound normal, but I wish to use this piece of gear as it was meant to be used, as a morphing tool, etc. I assume that Vortex will still service this unit? Thanks for any advice. Ed in NJ ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C562F7.F8E68BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gurus of the Vortex:

 

I recently bought one used, and after much reading = and trying my hand at some patch creation, I think I may have a defective = one.

 

It seems that the “Value” knob will not = make the rounds from “1 to 64”, but instead does this: If the value = that is there

(from how the unit was given to me) is, say = “64”, then turning the “Value” knob only flips between = “63” and “64”.

And if the value is, say “10”, then = turning the “Value” knob only flips between “10” and “9”. I hope I = am being clear about this.

 

That being said, all the patches that are Presets, = sound normal, but I wish to use this piece of gear as it was meant to be used, = as a morphing tool, etc.

 

I assume that Vortex will still service this = unit?

 

Thanks for any = advice…

 

Ed in NJ

------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C562F7.F8E68BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 20:24:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S0MWA05227; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:22:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:22:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cFEFMH/hP88GJ76ZXbNPcyAEI64L0DSG96GLRdkw3N2Q+9B0lzPxP6fvhEgb2XpCTzZQRtW9M2fqGCTN8onHeEAXO3ATXclvx97UkoHOZT7r6nifqyQEzuv90bnO5f7Vcpp2ZOU7tOcbOk0WPsY1bUbgxMQ4vkP5yU8oO4vgGTM= ; Message-ID: <20050528002129.95682.qmail@web50505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Still trying to mute input in Multiply... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After the very helpful on- and off-list responses to my post last month, I finally decided to upgrade to LoopIV. So now as soon as I get my upgrade I will be able to use the new InterfaceModes like InputMode, in addition to all the other wonderful benefits in LoopIV! But because I don't have LoopIV just yet, I want to ask if it is possible to create some way of TOGGLING between InputMode and OutMode without interrupting the performance. If it is possible, what kind of MIDI controller would do this job and nothing more? (Actually, ideally it would have an expression pedal too.) Thanks all! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 20:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S0QCO05580; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:26:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:26:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: don@donmak.com From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Metatronix TX-2 Butt Probe Distortion? Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:25:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01C562FA.31E870B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A0ED@lon-oxmail02> Thread-Index: AcVi4tLgDr4F6gKJSzujM4J6e0GJLAAOLvsw Message-ID: <1117240288.14007@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C562FA.31E870B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone tried this pedal out? It looks freaky deaky . http://url123.com/mp5u6 -dm ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C562FA.31E870B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: HTML and other stuff

Has anyone tried this pedal out? It = looks freaky deaky …

 

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------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C562FA.31E870B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 20:34:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S0Y4606157; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:34:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:34:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: Fill my rack! Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:32:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5631c$b8d26f00$0200a8c0@ponkscap9jl6gb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <429771D5.50303@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2005 00:32:55.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA889530:01C5631C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4S0WHx06013 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure of US prices for Swedish gear, but I've been working with a Nord Modular G2 rack of late which has ENORMOUS potential as a programable processor (bought for £450 UK). If you ever wanted to run your audio (4 inputs/4 outputs on this) through a bunch of modular synth processors: ring mod, filters, vcas, delays, pitch shifters, freq shifters, vocoders, analogue style sequencers (assignable to MIDI knob boxes )etc. look here. Tip of the iceberg really, this is a seriously deep machine, and you're not at the mercy of a PC when gigging. 1U of sonic joy from Sweden. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 21:16:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S1F6C10934; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VNeghyNFpvXIkHYrdq+QFviFt8gzAxbNsjpUJK/VKIxLmi5Y0epvDFzMtYcGam+y; Message-ID: <410-22005562811855690@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live Software Loopers Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:18:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fb25226039b0e690c02ba143486ffdd9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cheapest way to go is unloved/underappreciated hardware like the Zoom 2100 (under $50). ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/27/2005 12:35:34 AM Subject: Live Software Loopers Hi there :-) I am a young, aspiring musician with (unfortunately) empty pockets. What is the cheapest way possible to do live looping during performances? I've been looking for software that does the equivalent of looping hardware. So, for example, during a gig I'd be able to hook up my guitar to a laptop, play something, and have it start looping immediately after I finish (maybe by hitting the spacebar or something). Does such software exist or will I have to save up for some hardware? Much thanks, ~ Peter ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Cheapest way to go is unloved/underappreciated hardware like the Zoom 2100 (under $50).
~Tim
 
 
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Subject: Live Software Loopers

Hi there :-)

I am a young, aspiring musician with (unfortunately) empty pockets. What is the cheapest way possible to do live looping during performances? I've been looking for software that does the equivalent of looping hardware. So, for example, during a gig I'd be able to hook up my guitar to a laptop, play something, and have it start looping immediately after I finish (maybe by hitting the spacebar or something). Does such software exist or will I have to save up for some hardware?

Much thanks,
~ Peter
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 21:38:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S1bah12812; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:37:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LSLEZ7r3iseSMrpc8ie/r0oe7eGP9JtaJ3RydAgF5URrIc3P8oeAvvjFD1MesPLI; Message-ID: <410-22005562814045940@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fill my rack! Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:40:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a6f85a17ecf81ef6f89cebe12cac499c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, Marko, what HE said; sorry about the breakup. You want some rackmount sillies? Vortex. Laugh-out-loud fun, and I've barely scratched the surface of what it can do. You'll love it! ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/27/2005 11:41:56 AM Subject: Re: Fill my rack! Marko, So sorry to hear about the bustup. Try an Alesis Akira (big brother to the Ineko) as an antidote. Too much fun. It won't ease the pain but it may distract you from it a little while -- or a Moogerfooger or two. Best, Ted In a message dated 05/26/05 20:49:33, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: Hey kids. Let's have some fun! Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay. (vocal processor/pitch corrector) I'd purchased it because I thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music and my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to sing and was very timid about her voice. I thought a little help might give her confidence. Anyway, I never ended up doing pop music and the woman decided that a man named Randal was more her style. (in the end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space rack unit was collecting dust for the last year. To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the proceeds to get myself a new toy! It's been a while. My parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of $400 and take up one rackspace. I have most of the conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or something very tweakable for a performance. Could go in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a Repeater. Have at it! FILL MY RACK! Mark "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Yeah, Marko, what HE said;  sorry about the breakup. You want some rackmount sillies? Vortex. Laugh-out-loud fun, and I've barely scratched the surface of what it can do.
You'll love it!
~Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 5/27/2005 11:41:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fill my rack!

Marko,

So sorry to hear about the bustup. Try an Alesis Akira (big brother
to the Ineko) as an antidote. Too much fun. It won't ease the pain
but it may distract you from it a little while -- or a Moogerfooger
or two.

Best,

Ted

In a message dated 05/26/05 20:49:33, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes:


Hey kids.  Let's have some fun!

Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay.  (vocal
processor/pitch corrector)  I'd purchased it because I
thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music and
my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to
sing and was very timid about her voice.  I thought a
little help might give her confidence.  Anyway, I
never ended up doing pop music and the woman decided
that a man named Randal was more her style. (in the
end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space rack
unit was collecting dust for the last year.

To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the proceeds to
get myself a new toy!  It's been a while.  My
parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of
$400 and take up one rackspace.  I have most of the
conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is
something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or
something very tweakable for a performance.  Could go
in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a
Repeater.  Have at it!  FILL MY RACK!

Mark


"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 27 22:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S2HIQ18120; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:17:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:17:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42976333.1060601@toadmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:13:07 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff References: <5b.6a7565b7.2fc7ba95@aol.com> <008f01c562d9$015685c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <008f01c562d9$015685c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Yeow! Poor Michael's HTML dilemma caused me to check my own settings, > and I've been sending in HTML myself all these e-years! But I've never > experienced a problem...! This is being sent in non-HTML, plain text > format. Anyone notice a change? A little more straightforward, perhaps? I'm afraid your message came through in both HTML and plain text. Looks like Outlook tacked on an HTML version while you weren't looking. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 00:46:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S4jkb01706; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:53:12 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Fill my rack! To: Message-id: <000f01c56341$270e4d80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050527152159.9761.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did anyone suggest a VORTEX yet? It's stereo, which matches well to your Repeater. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 00:57:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S4t5k02723; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dY+ZD4USvEtnJf2uXFgmLAnFkUEJ3BEvsCsFqBE17BO/j8T7YoEUq8JVdMEQsWqt3jJnEZbA6m6KA/zBe/I0ccg/mbnW7knFKameLjvq1LKtAlav5jzncqwbPTCHvujZJEF4skRIaON0zqs71SHcRDDK/Kph5237zE1d34KbkA8= ; Message-ID: <20050528045428.49421.qmail@web60924.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Thompson Subject: Re: Vortex Help Needed! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1103976075-1117256068=:48667" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1103976075-1117256068=:48667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi ed. i own a vortex, and mine operates the same way. if I just use the VALUE knob, i adjust the VALUE by pressing the value button, and then move the knob from 64 to 63. i then have to wait for the value light to go off. following this, i press the VALUE button again, and then i adjust the value from 63 to 62. you have to repeat this whenever you want to change the VALUE lower and lower, or higher and higher. i don't know if the one i own is defective (i bought mine used), but i solved the issue by using a Roland EV-5 to adjust the VALUE by footpedal. the EV-5 sweeps through the values from 1-64 continously (not point by point, in other words). i think one of the Boss FV-50 pedals can be used as a controller to do the same thing (can't remember if it's the 50 L or 50 H though). hope that helps--rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1103976075-1117256068=:48667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hi ed. i own a vortex, and mine operates the same way. if I just use the VALUE knob, i adjust the VALUE by pressing the value button, and then move the knob from 64 to 63. i then have to wait for the value light to go off.
 
following this, i press the VALUE button again, and then i adjust the value from 63 to 62. you have to repeat this whenever you want to change the VALUE lower and lower, or higher and higher.
 
i don't know if the one i own is defective (i bought mine used), but i solved the issue by using a Roland EV-5 to adjust the VALUE by footpedal. the EV-5 sweeps through the values from 1-64 continously (not point by point, in other words). i think one of the Boss FV-50 pedals can be used as a controller to do the same thing (can't remember if it's the 50 L or 50 H though). hope that helps--rob
 
 
 
 
 
  

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1103976075-1117256068=:48667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 00:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S4ub703098; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:56:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:03:21 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! To: Message-id: <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - I agree with your message here - there doesn't seem to be many new imaginative effects being constructed in hardware for punters to purchase. Just re-hashes of what have been done before. And who wants another chorus or flanger or distortion? :-) So, I conclude naively that the cool new stuff is being concocted by individuals on their computers. While I think getting a cool sax-a-like sound from a kazoo and an octave pedal run through a Marshall has it's merits, such old-school cooking is a dying breed. So, I guess I'm conceding some "old-fogyness" when I ask this next question: "If in the past we've called some well loved effects things like "modulators" and "pitch shifters" and the like, what are the names of the new since 2000 signal-warping effects???????? Please help -- I'm about out of permutations and combinations of the sound-painting equipment I own!!! David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Fill my rack! > Thanks for the condolences, but I'm fine. More than > fine actually, really happy. Some doors close others > open. The interesting thing is early in the > relationship I saw the end so when it came I was all, > "Oh yeah, of course." Sad as it may be, some people > seem intent on reliving past trauma and keeping their > life chaotic. > > Back to the topic... > > I'm seeing something that's very, very interesting. > In my research I'm finding that it's as if we've > reached some kind of plateau. When I started all this > madness so much was NEW. Now it seems as if we've > reached the end of something. Most modern hardware is > either digital emulations of the past (some very good) > or rehashes of the same basic effects we've had since > the 80s. Most of you know this, but I used to work > for Laurie Anderson for a short time. I saw her a few > years ago doing her Moby Dick tour, and (the show was > excellent musically) I thought, "There's nothing she's > going that can't be done with a computer and some off > the shelf software." > > That's both exciting and sad. Have we done everything > that can be done sonically? How postmodern! It seems > as if I've built the studio I always dreamed of. Kind > of weird when you get to a point like this. I've been > putting this together since 1980... and now it's over? > Kind of cool. > > On the other hand, it seems that there are some new > things coming out but they're software. As much as > I'm a fan of dedicated hardware, I think this point in > time is it's swansong. Perhaps it's time to keep this > space in my rack open and upgrade my G4 500 laptop to > something beefier. > > Mark > > > --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > Marko, > > > > So sorry to hear about the bustup. Try an Alesis > > Akira (big brother > > to the Ineko) as an antidote. Too much fun. It won't > > ease the pain > > but it may distract you from it a little while -- or > > a Moogerfooger > > or two. > > > > Best, > > > > Ted > > > > In a message dated 05/26/05 20:49:33, > > marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > > > > Hey kids. Let's have some fun! > > > > > > Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay. (vocal > > > processor/pitch corrector) I'd purchased it > > because I > > > thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music > > and > > > my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to > > > sing and was very timid about her voice. I > > thought a > > > little help might give her confidence. Anyway, I > > > never ended up doing pop music and the woman > > decided > > > that a man named Randal was more her style. (in > > the > > > end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space > > rack > > > unit was collecting dust for the last year. > > > > > > To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the > > proceeds to > > > get myself a new toy! It's been a while. My > > > parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood > > of > > > $400 and take up one rackspace. I have most of > > the > > > conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for > > is > > > something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect > > or > > > something very tweakable for a performance. Could > > go > > > in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a > > > Repeater. Have at it! FILL MY RACK! > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > "Different is not always better, but better is > > always different" > > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > > Apple iTunes, > > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > > Napster, > > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > > Etherstream, > > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > > Puretracks, > > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > > So??? > > > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > > you're an artist." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 01:01:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S4xtr04990; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:07:17 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Fill my rack! To: Message-id: <001f01c56343$1f205b20$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <429771D5.50303@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree. Go into a mid-priced recording studio nowadays, and look at all those rack-mounted effects that no longer get used. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Fill my rack! > mark sottilaro wrote: > > On the other hand, it seems that there are some new > > things coming out but they're software. As much as > > I'm a fan of dedicated hardware, I think this point in > > time is it's swansong. > > This has been hotly debated on any number of forums. I happen to > agree with this, though I'm not sure we're going to see any major > shift within the next ten years. This isn't like CD vs. vinyl, it > will be a more gradual change. > > I think it is becoming pointless to argue about which is "better" at > a technical level. What is important is the harsh economic reality > that it is *dramatically* cheaper to produce software than hardware. > Any knowledgeable person with a few thousand dollars worth of tools > can make a VST plugin. This is where you are going to see the most > innovation. > > Currently, this movement is held in check by another harsh reality. > PC's are simply not as reliable as dedicated hardware. But think back > to what a "pc" was 20 years ago, what will it be 20 years from now? > It can only get better. But if you're a hardware manufacturer, in 20 > years you're still going be dealing with labor, supply chains, > inventory, distribution, and repairs. Unless dedicated hardware is so > dramatically better in some way than the competing software, it just > won't make economic sense to manufacture. > > I'm sure dedicated hardware will continue to have a niche at the high > end, and maybe the high-volume low end (e.g. stompboxes). But > for mainstream signal processing, my belief is that we will eventually > evolve to a small number of general purpose hardware platforms, > designed to be rugged and stable, which then host the software. Heck, > have you looked at the specs of a game machine lately? Stick an 8x8 > audio interface in an X-Box and you're almost there. In not too many > years we'll have 100GB flash ram cards so you won't need those nasty > spinning disks. About the only stability issue that won't be > solved in my lifetime are the security holes in Internet Explorer :-) > > Flame on! > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 01:15:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S5ESK06313; Sat, 28 May 2005 01:14:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:14:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42978CD1.20704@toadmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:10:41 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers' Delight" Subject: Re: Vortex Help Needed! References: <200505280010.j4S0A0x03813@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200505280010.j4S0A0x03813@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ed, This is a common problem and easily fixed. Behind those knobs are "rotary encoders" and one of yours has gone bad. My Vortex was in this condition when I bought it used a few years back and quick trip back to Lexicon fixed her right up (to the tune of $45 or so). If I recall correctly, they charge an arm & a leg now that the units are discontinued, but I think they'll sell you just the encoder cheap then you or a trusted local tech can install it. My recommendation is to give Lexicon a call and see what they say. This has been discussed repeatedly in the past on this list, but a search of the archive for "Vortex Rotary Encoder" turned up nothing. Odd. I'm sure others here have more recent dealings with this problem; maybe they'll chime in. Good Luck, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 02:04:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S61Vg11283; Sat, 28 May 2005 02:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 02:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050527222427.06b887c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:59:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: question for Kim In-Reply-To: <042301c562b5$b1ba5af0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <042301c562b5$b1ba5af0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_KUTYC.A.PvC.njAmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:14 AM 5/27/2005, loop.pool wrote: >I have noticed that frequently when I post to Loopers Delight that my >subject head is abbreviated when the digest is published, >many times in ways that to my way of thinking obscure the content of my >message to the community. >I don't want to be paranoid but I wonder if I am being censored or not. >I wonder if, as an example, when this particular message hits the daily >digest it's subject line will read merely "question". Rick- a. The subjects of your posts are not truncated in the digest. If they look that way for you it is a problem on your end. The digests are going out with all posts intact and unedited, and they look fine on all my computers when they arrive here. b. The digests are assembled and mailed automatically by a computer. Untouched by humans. To my knowledge, this computer has no opinions or bias about you or anyone else. I'm quite certain that it does not care about what you have to say. c. Therefore, in regards to your question of whether you are being paranoid or not, the answer appears to be "yes". d. Looper's Delight has always operated under principles of freedom of expression and individual responsibility. That is why the community is so strong. There is no authority available to censor anybody else, nor is there any need for it. The community manages and regulates itself just fine. (a reasonable example of a functional anarchy, in fact.) e. and jeez, I've barely had time to read the list in a year, let alone post. Do you honestly think I'm sitting here every day editing together digests and concerning myself with the length of your subject line?!? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 02:27:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S6PjL13587; Sat, 28 May 2005 02:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 02:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050528071413.02cf0770@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:22:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Vortex Help Needed! In-Reply-To: <200505280138.j4S1cIY12975@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505280138.j4S1cIY12975@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2jK5r.A.wTD.B7AmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:38 28/05/05, you wrote: >Gurus of the Vortex: > >I recently bought one used, and after much reading and trying my hand at >some patch creation, I think I may have a defective one. > >It seems that the "Value" knob will not make the rounds from "1 to 64", >but instead does this: If the value that is there >(from how the unit was given to me) is, say "64", then turning the "Value" >knob only flips between "63" and "64". >And if the value is, say "10", then turning the "Value" knob only flips >between "10" and "9". I hope I am being clear about this. That control works using a component called a 4-bit absolute rotary encoder. Your's needs replacing. Lexicon say >We no longer have these parts here at the factory. The service manual lists them as follows: > >SW,RTY,BCD,16POS,17.5MM i'm trying to get hold of some of those devices, ...no luck yet Can anyone help?? > >That being said, all the patches that are Presets, sound normal, but I >wish to use this piece of gear as it was meant to be used, as a morphing >tool, etc. You still can, if you use an expression pedal (except for echo %, those will still stick) select the param you want to change, press tap, set value with pedal, wiggle the value knob press tap again > >I assume that Vortex will still service this unit? no, neither will Lexicon andy butler lexicon vortex info at www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 02:51:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S6oXq15322; Sat, 28 May 2005 02:50:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 02:50:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050528072647.02d92500@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:47:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Fill my rack! In-Reply-To: <200505272206.j4RM6K820116@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505272206.j4RM6K820116@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_cautD.A.3uD.cSBmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Most modern hardware is >either digital emulations of the past (some very good) >or rehashes of the same basic effects we've had since >the 80s. > >That's both exciting and sad. Have we done everything >that can be done sonically? (well I don't think so anyway) The 2 hardware items that my music depends on don't have software eqivalents yet. The Loop 4 EDP is only partially copied. The Lex Vortex does stuff that isn't even attempted by any software. ..and apart from that, the sound isn't just produced by the effect, it's produced by the musician using the effect. The sonic result of someone playing their usual stuff, and then putting it through a flanger is fairly predictable. ...but the sound of someone using a flanger, then varying their technique and playing based on the sound that comes out is going to be more individual. I get asked by guitarists "is that sound a guitar" even though I'm only using effect types that have been around since the 70's. oh.. and my recommendation for the empty rack space is... .................................vortex andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 03:56:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S7tUR22772; Sat, 28 May 2005 03:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:54:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 28, 2005, at 7:03, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > So, I guess I'm conceding some "old-fogyness" when I ask this next > question: > "If in the past we've called some well loved effects things like > "modulators" and "pitch shifters" and the like, what are the names > of the > new since 2000 signal-warping effects???????? > > Please help -- I'm about out of permutations and combinations of the > sound-painting equipment I own!!! > > David Kirkdorffer - Controller Interface! I'd definitely say that it's now all about Interface; better ways to connect man and machine for intuitive interaction. We already have all the signal warping algorithms we would ever need. With todays arsenal you can do almost everything with sound. But you can not do it easily. That's the department that still sucks big time! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 05:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S9aHs00824; Sat, 28 May 2005 05:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 05:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c56368$987e4d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050527134848.0157d0e8@.> Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:35:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This isn't the first time gear was stolen from a band working at the Hard Rock in LV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 21:52 PM Subject: OT: gear stolen in Las Vegas > Forwarding this from the Mermen list - if you're near Las Vegas please > watch for this UHaul trailer. > > > Mermen's Gear Stolen in Las Vegas! HELP!! > > The Mermen suffered a disasterous tragedy last night (5/26/05) in Las > Vegas after their > show at the Hard Rock Cafe. The UHaul trailer that they had all of their > gear stored in was > stolen from the oversize parking lot at The Flamingo Hotel/Casino. The > lost all of their > amps, Jim's guitars, Jennifer's bass, Martyn's drums, cables, Jaime's > video projection > equipment. They are all devastated, and need help getting their gear back. > > $$$ They are willing to pay a reward for the return of their gear. > > The UHaul trailer that was stolen had a Chicago travel ad on the side, and > the license plate > # is: Arkansas PT103498. The UHaul number is : AU34671C. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 05:52:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4S9kJN01592; Sat, 28 May 2005 05:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 05:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HVUkytB0QqdSQAxcbvniTCN3cmBRJ0kD3nCJ//OnbhLRiR3Na1vNF4kcZ/FmIpXh9fy7yGtlsaGkm6yakMDz/pXcP05y0rx6gVkOsRDWcPInF4KNrewF83GucwW+lhMl8ePhImLvxOJH9Nnux0Ml5MMm4iex5rEbiH738wrDYdg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 02:45:47 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas In-Reply-To: <00a801c56368$987e4d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050527134848.0157d0e8@.> <00a801c56368$987e4d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4S9jrx01533 Resent-Message-ID: <4N8XBB.A.OY.R3DmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And it won't be the last time a band's U-Haul trailer is ripped off. Those things are a bad idea. You can't leave gear outside unattended for any period of time. On 5/28/05, SP Goodman wrote: > This isn't the first time gear was stolen from a band working at the Hard > Rock in LV. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 06:04:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SA2Wk04910; Sat, 28 May 2005 06:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 06:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UyrK4AqQUY5Cq5zkFX6B99ttK0mqgWU8KT+1cw1TqIkFxFp/2Y0aLJ1UxaoN/7KQGLnkax9iKofD/hiJDcF9V5Xcx73cN/AOtCkHaLv5Z16AegDa+9LQwjvaovy1+01SOKuNaTQDpVEvOGFTfo1bzX+lKVRRpJ7I6HU6ih8jkWI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:02:01 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-Reply-To: <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4SA27x04850 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It depends on what you mean by "hardware" and "software". If it's digital processing, then whether or not there's a standalone hardware platform (i.e. a rackmount unit) seems somewhat secondary. Analog hardware gets expensive quickly, so if something new came out, many people would say "Geez---that's too much money, couldn't I get there for free in software?" Personally, I'm unaware of great new software effects. All the "map some aspect of sound to some other aspect of aspect of sound perhaps in a non-linear manner" stuff never floated my boat, either sounding like some bizarre autowah/ring modulator or just like broken gear, and not in a desirable manner. What software-only effect has come out in the last five years that's established itself as a modern classic? I'm not being facetious, just asking for an informed overview from those who have been keeping track of that area of sound modification. On 5/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Mark - > > I agree with your message here - there doesn't seem to be many new > imaginative effects being constructed in hardware for punters to purchase. > Just re-hashes of what have been done before. And who wants another chorus > or flanger or distortion? :-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 10:11:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SE9VZ01682; Sat, 28 May 2005 10:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <460c1b649441185f2f373fc8c59949c1@imaginationsite.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Darren Nelsen Subject: Re: Fill my rack! Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:07:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about a Rocktron Intellipitch, 4-voice pitch shifting, parallel or diatonic (even modal) harmonies, reverse delays and more. Came out about 10 years ago, no longer in production. It's a pretty nifty device, sort of a "poor-man's" Eventide. :) Very lush (8-voice) chorus. I have one and I've seen them go for about $300-400 on eBay. One of my favorite tools. I hope to pick up another one... http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/1997/Intellipitch.html -- Darren On May 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey kids. Let's have some fun! > > Today I put my Antares AVP-1 up on ebay. (vocal > processor/pitch corrector) I'd purchased it because I > thought I'd like to get back into vocal pop music and > my (now ex) wife was also talking about wanting to > sing and was very timid about her voice. I thought a > little help might give her confidence. Anyway, I > never ended up doing pop music and the woman decided > that a man named Randal was more her style. (in the > end a very good thing for me!) So that 1 space rack > unit was collecting dust for the last year. > > To bury bad memories I figure I'll use the proceeds to > get myself a new toy! It's been a while. My > parameters are it's got to be in the neighborhood of > $400 and take up one rackspace. I have most of the > conventional stuff covered, what I'm looking for is > something COOL, hopefully either a unique effect or > something very tweakable for a performance. Could go > in front of a Repeater or in the effect loop of a > Repeater. Have at it! FILL MY RACK! > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 10:19:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SEJ7o02817; Sat, 28 May 2005 10:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42987E83.30504@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:21:55 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show for Mat 28, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050528.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #68 May 28, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also played music of artists and bands to be appearing in the area at the New Jersey Proghouse, electro-music 2005 TM, and Mayfair. New Jersey Proghouse - http://njproghouse.com electro-music - http://event.electro-music.com Mayfair - http://mayfairfestival.org" target="event" title="Link to Mayfair Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Laurel] DR 01 E-dition #2 (Groove) VA [Emmens & Heij] Return to the Origin E-dition #2 (Groove) VA [Living Dreamtime] Dancing Water Angels E-dition #2 (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== TouchXtone Summer All Day Java Monkey (none) Dave Peck Fluid II Endo-Spectra (none) VA [Stephen DeRuby] Desire 10th Anniv. Collection (Domo) Amy X. Neuburg Life Stepped In Residue (Other Minds) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Kino All You See Picture (InsideOut) Flower Kings Drivers Seat Adam and Eve (InsideOut) Simon Apple A Way Outside River to the Sea (Trunk) Simon Apple A Way Inside River to the Sea (Trunk) Proto~Kaw More Worlds Than Known Before Became After (InsideOut) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on June 11. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 12:09:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SG7b022708; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:07:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:07:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <42989744.5020604@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:07:32 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com being one of the ones ( like you, I guess) who considers an effect as a part of the instrument in itself, I wanted to share my thoughts: -all the effects are originated by mathematical calculations (hardware or software, analog or digital) applied to the sound some way. -these algorythms can generate all the effects we all know: compression, distortion, delay (from which reverb, chorus, flanger etc.), phase and pitch shifting and so on. therefore I think that the only "new" effects tool will be the one that: -will offer a "new" combination of these -Will offer you the chance to control these combinations with the easiest User Interface available. In my experience this is the most critical factor, especially if you make music without thinking to it as a mathematical construction but looking after its final, musical, result. I found myself using several processors chained together knowing well that I could reduce the size of my rack because I could get the same sonic result creating a bigger algorythm in jsut one or more of them. But there is something I can not do with one big algorythm: its changing parts of it on the fly without encurring in dropouts or having to scroll big books of menupages, making me forgetting the music I am doing and dressing the white apron of the mad scientist. So for now I work with repatching and splitting and feedbacking.... I can't wait to meet Per and the others of you who will perform in Zurich and use a laptop to see how viable this solution may be. I am not looking to pc processing as a way to get the same sounds I am using now, rather to check how its User Interface will allow me to have all the colours I need in a such smaller package than a 10 U. rack. my 2 cents.... luca Travis Hartnett wrote: > It depends on what you mean by "hardware" and "software". If it's > digital processing, then whether or not there's a standalone hardware > platform (i.e. a rackmount unit) seems somewhat secondary. Analog > hardware gets expensive quickly, so if something new came out, many > people would say "Geez---that's too much money, couldn't I get there > for free in software?" > > Personally, I'm unaware of great new software effects. All the "map > some aspect of sound to some other aspect of aspect of sound perhaps > in a non-linear manner" stuff never floated my boat, either sounding > like some bizarre autowah/ring modulator or just like broken gear, and > not in a desirable manner. > > What software-only effect has come out in the last five years that's > established itself as a modern classic? I'm not being facetious, just > asking for an informed overview from those who have been keeping track > of that area of sound modification. > > On 5/27/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > >> Mark - >> >> I agree with your message here - there doesn't seem to be many new >> imaginative effects being constructed in hardware for punters to >> purchase. >> Just re-hashes of what have been done before. And who wants another >> chorus >> or flanger or distortion? :-) >> >> > > > > . > > > Per Boysen wrote: > On May 28, 2005, at 7:03, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> So, I guess I'm conceding some "old-fogyness" when I ask this next >> question: >> "If in the past we've called some well loved effects things like >> "modulators" and "pitch shifters" and the like, what are the names >> of the >> new since 2000 signal-warping effects???????? >> >> Please help -- I'm about out of permutations and combinations of the >> sound-painting equipment I own!!! >> >> David Kirkdorffer > > > > - Controller Interface! > > I'd definitely say that it's now all about Interface; better ways to > connect man and machine for intuitive interaction. We already have > all the signal warping algorithms we would ever need. With todays > arsenal you can do almost everything with sound. But you can not do > it easily. That's the department that still sucks big time! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 12:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SGdjU27122; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:37:49 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42989E5D.7090206@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > What software-only effect has come out in the last five years that's > established itself as a modern classic? I'm not being facetious, just > asking for an informed overview from those who have been keeping track > of that area of sound modification. I think it's a little early to declare any "classics", at least for live performance tools where hardware still (rightly) reigns supreme. In the studio though where you're already working in the digital domain, software effects are rapidly taking over. The loved and hated Antares Auto Tune is certainly wildly popular (and overused). They also package this as a dedicated hardware unit, but only because the demand is sufficiently high. Antares Kantos isn't very popular, but is a good example of an innovation that you could not justify producing as hardware. The general category of "convolution reverbs" probably qualifies as a classic, there are several vendors of those. But this is more of a studio tool, not a live performance tool. And of course, Chopitch is destined to be a classic ;-) What I hope to see more of in the coming years are synchronized effects, like the AdrenaLinn with more control and a graphical interface. Also, modelers like the VG-88 where the source signal is not necessarily present in the output signal. And something along the lines of the Vortex. One of the consequences of it being easy to produce software effects is that there are a LOT of them and the quality is not uniformly high. There are probably over a thousand "delay" and "distortion" plugs that you could sift through looking for something good. There could be potential classics lurking in there but unless you have the money to advertise, it is hard to find them. Forums like KVR help, but the signal to noise ratio is still pretty low. Further, the plugins that are good in some categories are often relatively similar, so it is harder for any one of them to stand out as a classic. A plugin that contains unique DSP algorithms that are difficult to duplicate stands a better chance. But as you say a lot of these are unusual effects with limited use. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 12:43:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SGh4E27609; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:43:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3a6b7c5671e50fddea1e0d57502a3002@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Steve Sandberg Subject: akai headrush pedal for sale Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:41:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling my akai headrush (it's the silver one, great condition, about 3 years old, no problems, just getting rid of it because i'm going for the battery-powered boss pedal) - please get in touch if interested, thanks. also selling ibanez ibz10b small bass amp (used it for portable looping rig) and a small mini-marshall amp - was thinking $150 for the akai and $50 each for the amps - plus shipping (i live in nyc) - cheers, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 13:37:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SHYtm02546; Sat, 28 May 2005 13:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:34:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:42:21 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! To: Message-id: <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <07Rl_.A.km.juKmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per - You're definitely onto something with your "controller interface" response. Which probably explains why computers are so compelling a tool for those who use them to modify their sounds. Yet the interface of the computer -- and the KAOSS Pad -- is just two dimensional. So, imagine if the interface can become three-dimensional? Luca - I think Luca's point about "building a complex algorithm that can be easily modified by a performer on the fly without drop-outs and during performance" (my words) is the "other-side" of the same argument -- again it's about the interface. Luca wants a fast, and easily manipulated interface so he can keep his mind on the playing. Jeff - Your point about "synchronized effects" in a way also speaks toward the simple and fast to manipulate interface argument - this time manipulating more than one effect at a time. But as Luca points out, the "mathematical calculations" -- however we interface with them -- are where the altered sounds come from. Travis reminds us, linking or chaining effects in more complex ways doesn't always sound good. And yet, one man's trash is another man's treasure: how many people passed up using the clicks, glitches and scratch sounds before they were so powerfully deployed in various kinds of contemporary electronic rock? I remember reading something Eno said -- I'm paraphrasing: "If it sounds like it's being abused, it becomes rock." So, as I play "unguitar" I wonder if really what I'm searching for is a way to abuse the effects I already own in new ways that I can control easily and that does not damage them -- all towards building sounds that I employ to build music I like. Based on what I've experienced with my volume knob and a Fuzz Factory, it seems that adding ZVEX tone Fuzz Probe is an important thing for me to get: Unique, three-dimensional interface -- check Simple to manipulate while I play -- check Sounds abusive -- check :-) Thanks guys!!!!!!!! David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 14:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SI2lw06775; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:07:58 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-Reply-To: <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> Message-ID: References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 28 May 2005, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Per - You're definitely onto something with your "controller interface" > response. Which probably explains why computers are so compelling a tool > for those who use them to modify their sounds. Yet the interface of the > computer -- and the KAOSS Pad -- is just two dimensional. So, imagine if > the interface can become three-dimensional? Like the pressure-sensitive touchpad used in the center of the Moog Voyager synth? Yeah :). > I remember reading something Eno said -- I'm paraphrasing: "If it sounds > like it's being abused, it becomes rock." So, as I play "unguitar" I wonder > if really what I'm searching for is a way to abuse the effects I already own > in new ways that I can control easily and that does not damage them -- all > towards building sounds that I employ to build music I like. > > Based on what I've experienced with my volume knob and a Fuzz Factory, it > seems that adding ZVEX tone Fuzz Probe is an important thing for me to get: > > Unique, three-dimensional interface -- check > Simple to manipulate while I play -- check > Sounds abusive -- check I have a Z-Vex Trem Probe (the volume control): it's great. I've worked with a Fuzz Probe a bit, and I can recommend it. I want to point out that the theremin-like control plate on the Z-Vex Probe series is controlling a single parameter, regardless of from what angle you approach it. Int he case of the Trem Probe, it's the volume. In the case of the Fuzz Probe, the theremin plate controls the Stability value of the built-in Fuzz Factory. Don't get me wrong, it's great. Did you ever see the Z-Vex Drip guitars? They had a Z-Vex Wah Probe built into the guitar under the pickguard. http://zvex.com/guitars/ best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon (forthcoming) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 14:13:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SICif08138; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050527134848.0157d0e8@.> <00a801c56368$987e4d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:06:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.85.1/898/Fri May 27 23:11:03 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is true, but what do you do? Load in everything into a hotel room? Sleep in the trailer? For everyone out on the road, get your stuff insured and if you bring something unreplaceable, don't let it out of your sight! I am about to get into a converted airporter to do some traveling and playing (with some looping, of course!) and I am hoping that if I assume that everything will get ripped off, I will be disappointed. Edwin At 2:45 AM -0700 5/28/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: >And it won't be the last time a band's U-Haul trailer is ripped off. >Those things are a bad idea. You can't leave gear outside unattended >for any period of time. > >On 5/28/05, SP Goodman wrote: >> This isn't the first time gear was stolen from a band working at the Hard >> Rock in LV. >> -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 14:13:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SICkf08140; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:10:22 -0600 To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.85.1/898/Fri May 27 23:11:03 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:02 AM -0700 5/28/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >What software-only effect has come out in the last five years that's >established itself as a modern classic? I'm not being facetious, just >asking for an informed overview from those who have been keeping track >of that area of sound modification. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is convolution reverb. It's only recently that computers have enough oomph to really do this and I think that it really is a different sound ( or way of making a sound) that is a classic. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 14:32:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SIVck10880; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YAB2Sar6CWgEWOVtwFVc/WdiEdjvVrrdDJ5fkkC0w+/VRZr4kndvlTfFeAMtYwbWycxLrW1guinPqOomkhqDQXRvG93a82aZsMqyBry5P7YB7/NyOQY2ZB9dtIwXK+qlVZnK767fSbbyr/P5sR/+YrH9mCqyou8gU7UE/zeNcZo= ; Message-ID: <20050528183040.9677.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:30:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: re: fill my rack new gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_pXPoC.A.RpC.WjLmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (thinking out-loud)...What could be unique, would be a box that creates blends and morphs of OTHER effects, regardless of brand. Of course the Vortex does this, but only within itself. The problem is that you'ld be blending only the Outputs of other effects.....and that would just be a crossfader. You'ld need to have access to the thousands of internal crosspoints and algorithms, as the Vortex does....but for every effect box. A simplistic approach could be a multi XY joystick approach....the Federation BPM pro has one that blends it's 4 effects. Even in the software world, I don't think there is such a program, although Prosoniq Morph VST seems close (but I think that it still uses it's own internal engine, and doesn't tap into other apps' engines). Maybe a Midi morpher?...that taps into the midi parameters of SEVERAL effects simultaneously, to create new sounds?? Is there such a box?....in a footpedal perhaps?? =RANDY= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 14:46:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SIiOJ11963; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:44:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:43:43 -0400 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: enlarge your rack.....is this plain text yet MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2990DD67.23CAABFC.0269DAB0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.116.66 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry.....is this still html?.....interesting thread: interfaces, puters,instantanious change, we have reached the end of daze for sound manipulation, no we haven't this is just the begining, it's going to be all soft-ware, no! hardware has come to a stand still.....i've no idea, i'm just thankful.....i love the expression "well in 20 more years" suchandsuch will happen.....if it ain't plugging *myself* into a box i will be very upset.....:).....i find i often lose faith in my loop and feel that i must continue banging more sounds into it, almost as if, if your loop repeats the same way more than once you have failed.....perhaps madness lies in that direction.....i think back 20 years ago and i never in my wildest imaginings whould have thought that i could "manipulate" sound the way i can today, i still feel like a kid in a candy store every time i hit that big ON button.....mic p.s. let me know if i'm there yet.....thanks for all the help and donations From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 14:48:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SIlpT12576; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:47:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mO5bZMKXCo08B8MHsleDAhGYgPctEQNu7moRj8upx51vOK1AVfhhlwI5NClI2Ed72SMocsLI78mek2TRYVIVSZzUTC/Cb1LmLTVkayHMXvAovKVPApbYZYXhxfvDx945wUyI30YhSXTAai9svVhnlnw4FqhsUxncHNfXYuy33Lg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:47:13 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050527134848.0157d0e8@.> <00a801c56368$987e4d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4SIlDx12504 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the road we always tried when ever possible to park the van so that the trailer door was up against a wall or facing in so that it would be difficult to open the trailer door or detach the trailer from the van. On 5/28/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > This is true, but what do you do? Load in everything into a hotel > room? Sleep in the trailer? For everyone out on the road, get your > stuff insured and if you bring something unreplaceable, don't let it > out of your sight! I am about to get into a converted airporter to do > some traveling and playing (with some looping, of course!) and I am > hoping that if I assume that everything will get ripped off, I will > be disappointed. > > > Edwin > > > > > At 2:45 AM -0700 5/28/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >And it won't be the last time a band's U-Haul trailer is ripped off. > >Those things are a bad idea. You can't leave gear outside unattended > >for any period of time. > > > >On 5/28/05, SP Goodman wrote: > >> This isn't the first time gear was stolen from a band working at the Hard > >> Rock in LV. > >> > > > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 14:59:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SIwL013366; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:58:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:58:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: To: Subject: RE: [BULK] enlarge your rack.....is this plain text yet Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 20:56:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <2990DD67.23CAABFC.0269DAB0@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You made it! 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Mai 2005 20:44 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [BULK] enlarge your rack.....is this plain text yet Importance: Low sorry.....is this still html?.....interesting thread: interfaces, puters,instantanious change, we have reached the end of daze for sound manipulation, no we haven't this is just the begining, it's going to be all soft-ware, no! hardware has come to a stand still.....i've no idea, i'm just thankful.....i love the expression "well in 20 more years" suchandsuch will happen.....if it ain't plugging *myself* into a box i will be very upset.....:).....i find i often lose faith in my loop and feel that i must continue banging more sounds into it, almost as if, if your loop repeats the same way more than once you have failed.....perhaps madness lies in that direction.....i think back 20 years ago and i never in my wildest imaginings whould have thought that i could "manipulate" sound the way i can today, i still feel like a kid in a candy store every time i hit that big ON button.....mic p.s. let me know if i'm there yet.....thanks for all the help and donations From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 15:19:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SJHPk16767; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:17:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Tomatohorse2000@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.5ee53765.2fca1d88@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:16:24 EDT Subject: Re: Live Software Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12e.5ee53765.2fca1d88_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12e.5ee53765.2fca1d88_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, guys :-) ~ Peter --part1_12e.5ee53765.2fca1d88_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, guys :-)

~ Peter --part1_12e.5ee53765.2fca1d88_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 16:03:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SK31i22383; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:02:26 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-reply-to: <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4298CE52.9040309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Luca - I think Luca's point about "building a complex algorithm that can be > easily modified by a performer on the fly without drop-outs and during > performance" (my words) is the "other-side" of the same argument -- again > it's about the interface. Luca wants a fast, and easily manipulated > interface so he can keep his mind on the playing. I couldn't agree more. The real "killer app" for live performance isn't going to be a plugin effect, it will be the host. Ableton Live probably qualifies as a modern classic in that regard, though none of the hosts I'm aware of do a particularly good job of reconfiguring effect parameters and routing dynamically (SUS Bleem anyone?). Once hosts mature, the hundreds of weirdo plugins become more interesting because you can use them selectively, and perhaps automatically, to add variety. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 16:08:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SK8Dj22727; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:07:31 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-reply-to: <4298CE52.9040309@sun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4298CF83.2040309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> <4298CE52.9040309@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Larson wrote: > (SUS Bleem anyone?). Sorry, this should of course be "SUS Bleen". Darn spell checker :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 16:35:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SKZCD24809; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:35:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:35:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c563c4$a3b587d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: re: question for Kim Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:34:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the clarification, Kim. I posted that queery because I was really unsure about the answer. Thanks for taking the considerable time to explain the answer. I honestly did not know that was the process and was feeling, well, a little paranoid, I suppose. forgive me, yours, respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 17:15:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SLEtv30045; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:14:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kKX10FfJX7k5bXClo4osY1MeYTBYqW80fneMsEgj5DA2RsBhPPKTL6JEmX2VJn4VymsZXEmcoN8YU+DAGxlw/v9d5HZFqoPUuAvWamHSa0g7u63Ucxl8gRg4Kzoaq2A6hM8F4AbD4c8HB3y/zXaGOctL4vPbOSuLgsxjT+uXpMw= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:14:02 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050527134848.0157d0e8@.> <00a801c56368$987e4d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4SLE8x29938 Resent-Message-ID: <4RiJDB.A.DUH.g8NmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 5/28/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > This is true, but what do you do? Load in everything into a hotel > room? That's one solution, which I have personally employed with great success. Always get a ground level room, carry everything in. Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but there's already a great deal of pain-in-the-ass involved in being a musician, so might as well get used to it. > Sleep in the trailer? I've known people who do that also. Personally, I'm not going to sleep in a trailer or van, and I'm not going to make a bandmate do it for me, so if it was my band I'd tell everyone to carry their gear into the room. > For everyone out on the road, get your > stuff insured and if you bring something unreplaceable, don't let it > out of your sight! Yes, get everything insured, but if you get stuff stolen on the road, insurance won't help you out of the immediate jam. > > Edwin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 17:18:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SLI6t30522; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:18:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:18:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZbX2gAGyrQNuGFiCB39PnByI7/4E2hmtKMum6rRFZH2VJZyC/HtPQl3QdMVNeuQygIsYSj1Vkdzv1aWMZ9hRgC+1zCjQhyoV4Dr9Nqs1lKzAPDAkQ05vkA5WDXNQa9nIG1hsxJz34ULD34KHzupGhpDSgjddxr3aAWX6IA5l/Ks= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:16:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-Reply-To: <4298CE52.9040309@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> <4298CE52.9040309@sun.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4SLGwx30306 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depends on your definition of "mature". What would you offer as an example of a host that's been around long enough to mature to this state? On 5/28/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Once hosts mature, the hundreds of weirdo plugins become more > interesting because you can use them selectively, and perhaps > automatically, to add variety. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 19:16:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SNFhN12576; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4298FB4D.1070608@pa.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:14:21 -0400 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: enlarge your rack.....is this plain text yet References: <2990DD67.23CAABFC.0269DAB0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2990DD67.23CAABFC.0269DAB0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i find i often lose faith in my loop and feel that i must continue banging more sounds into it, almost as if, if your loop repeats the same way more than once you have failed..... > Let me guess: you are not a bass player. (-8 We just call it "ostinato". John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 19:26:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SNPtE13258; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:25:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:25:08 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4298FDD4.4070504@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050527171104.13453.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> <91A786AA-EC33-40B8-9C6E-1299F9F98757@boysen.se> <001f01c563ac$99f19bc0$2396a344@hppav> <4298CE52.9040309@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > Depends on your definition of "mature". What would you offer as an > example of a host that's been around long enough to mature to this > state? I said "once hosts mature", we're talking about the future. There aren't any now IMO, at least not one that is both powerful enough to accomplish what I want and easy enough to use that it appeals to a large audience. Here, maturity is all about the user interface. If I had to place a bet, it would probably be on Live or Bidule to get there first. But really the technology to do this isn't that hard, any number of vendors could have something within the next few years. Then it will take a few years to catch on. Then a few more years to get a stable generic hardware platform ironed out. This is why I don't think we're going to see a significant number of live performers using software rigs in under 10 years. We're in what my profession refers to as the "early adopter" phase. But I'm convinced it will become mainstream eventually. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 19:40:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4SNdXN14699; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 May 2005 23:39:06 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) X-Mailer: mail.lycos.com webmail From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:39:06 -0500 Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050528233906.DE6B4CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4SNdCx14630 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very sad. The Mermen are a fantastic band as well as being nice folks, and this breaks my heart. There are folks that target touring bands specifically and follow them around waiting for their chance (the Pixies and Sonic Youth, for example, have had their ALL their gear stolen in the past while on tour). When I go on the road, I'm always the hardcase who demand hat ALL the gear be loaded into where we are sleeping. Lot's of grumbling, but I've still got most of my gear. I've also slept in the van/station wagon with the gear when necessary. You simply can't chance it. Gear grows legs and walks away (experience talking). From: "Edwin Hurwitz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:06:52 -0600 > > This is true, but what do you do? Load in everything into a hotel > room? Sleep in the trailer? For everyone out on the road, get your > stuff insured and if you bring something unreplaceable, don't let > it out of your sight! I am about to get into a converted airporter > to do some traveling and playing (with some looping, of course!) > and I am hoping that if I assume that everything will get ripped > off, I will be disappointed. > > > Edwin > > > > > At 2:45 AM -0700 5/28/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > And it won't be the last time a band's U-Haul trailer is ripped off. > > Those things are a bad idea. You can't leave gear outside unattended > > for any period of time. > > > > On 5/28/05, SP Goodman wrote: > >> This isn't the first time gear was stolen from a band working at the Hard > >> Rock in LV. > >> > > > -- Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 21:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4T1bMp27830; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4298AB40.3060002@toadmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:32:48 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question for Kim References: <004601c563c4$a3b587d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <004601c563c4$a3b587d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2v6UlD.A.oxG.SyRmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop.pool wrote: > Thanks for the clarification, Kim. > > I posted that queery because I was really unsure about the answer. I would hypothesize that it has something to do with the '#' in the subject of that particular message. Maybe the message parsing code uses that as a special character or something. Sure does seem odd to truncate from the beginning of the string up to the '#' otherwise. Just a programmer thinking out loud. :) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 21:41:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4T1edL28087; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4298ABF6.50501@toadmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:35:50 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: enlarge your rack.....is this plain text yet References: <2990DD67.23CAABFC.0269DAB0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2990DD67.23CAABFC.0269DAB0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > ...is this still html?... Congratulations! You made it. I say we throw a party. ;) Regarding the future brain-music interface, I'm right there with you. Maybe we should start a company now to start figuring out how to do. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 28 22:25:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4T2OaD00835; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:24:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:24:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: gear stolen in Las Vegas Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:23:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8z_gL.A.8H.aeSmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a road through Iowa during the Ice Storm of the century (last century) we pulled into a truck stop with other beleaguered travelers who couldn't navigate against the ice. (You don't know scared until you drift from lane to lane and you never turn the wheel but the wind blows you across the ice...) At first we split up and half the band slept in the van while the rest slept on the floor of the truck stop. At 4am the rest of the band came in half frozen and basically left the truck under the supervision of the angels..there was no way they were going to freeze anymore and be buffeted by freezing rain, snow and ice and howling winds...come the morning our transportation and equipment was still there and on the road over a 75 mile stretch, 87 cars and trucks were overturned in ditches along the road. Even if someone stole our stuff, we would have found them the next morning...;-) ~peace~ Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Edwin Hurwitz [mailto:edwin@indra.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 1:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: gear stolen in Las Vegas > > > This is true, but what do you do? Load in everything into a hotel > room? Sleep in the trailer? For everyone out on the road, get your > stuff insured and if you bring something unreplaceable, don't let it > out of your sight! I am about to get into a converted airporter to do > some traveling and playing (with some looping, of course!) and I am > hoping that if I assume that everything will get ripped off, I will > be disappointed. > > > Edwin > > > > > At 2:45 AM -0700 5/28/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >And it won't be the last time a band's U-Haul trailer is ripped off. > >Those things are a bad idea. You can't leave gear outside unattended > >for any period of time. > > > >On 5/28/05, SP Goodman wrote: > >> This isn't the first time gear was stolen from a band working > at the Hard > >> Rock in LV. > >> > > > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 05:06:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4T94QY06116; Sun, 29 May 2005 05:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 05:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=de9tTtipQjq5PNRZmUd4sq06nT1D4PmxI6d+ZaUjeMYtYyiZkgWuPr7nGMv6WfCVWNmJjejzMKFIYNByFQS8JW+peo7yPMe7mTc/P1OekOXat/JXEHhYQEyCkLeO+8c7RHMTKr/Pp5yiQCwqWA4aUV5Csk9pQW2XpknsQHplHKE= ; Message-ID: <20050529090329.52163.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: HTML and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was going to point out that there are two reasons why it's difficult to send plain text: AOL and Outlook, in that order. =) In a former life, I worked for Gateway, hocking their computers and the tacked-on AOL service. Never again... =) Mike --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Michael, > > In a message dated 05/27/05 12:47:33, > Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > > > could some aol user please tell me how to fix > > this.....PLEASE.....thanks.....mic > > > Go to: http://www.amsat.org/amsat/listserv/aol.html > > The gist of which is to say which version of AOL you > are using. But here's > the info: > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > How to Use AOL to send Plain Text only > (for the AMSAT mailing lists) > > To use the AMSAT mailing lists and majordomo > subscription system > successfully, your mail program must be set up to > send plain text only. Many users of AOL > 6.0, 7.0, and 8.0 have had difficulty with this. > Reportedly, AOL 9.0 once > again makes it easy to send a specific message in > plain text mode. Just > right-click in the message field and select Compose > as Plain Text. If you don't want to > upgrade to version 9.0, here are some tips on how to > get AOL to do the right > thing. > > Note that these tips are based on one particular > version of AOL. Details may > vary from version to version. These are reasonable > settings to use all the > time for most people, but you may prefer others. > Feel free to use other settings > for your other email, but please use the settings > suggested here when you send > mail to the AMSAT.ORG system. > > The Trick for AOL 6.0 > 1. Make sure your font is set to > Arial 10, the AOL default. > 2. Create a message using only default > Arial 10 type. Any quoted > text pasted in from another message must also be in > Arial 10 type (no bold, > other sizes or colors). Note: if you paste a message > that was received in HTML > format, it will probably cause you to send in HTML. > 3. Hit Control-A to highlight the entire > message. > 4. Right click anywhere in the message > itself: A 'popup menu' > will appear. Move the cursor to "text" and another > menu will appear. Move the > cursor to "normal" and click on it. > 5. Send the message. > > Configure for Plain Text on AOL 7.0 > 1. On the tool bar click on SETTINGS. > 2. A menu pops up and you click on > PREFERENCES. > 3. Another window opens up with 3 > columns on it. > 4. Under the one headed COMMUNICATIONS > click on FONT, TEXT & > GRAPHICS. > 5. This window opens and you go to the > bottom of it and click on > RESET then click on SAVE. > 6. Do not change anything else in this > window. > 7. Then close your windows and you are > done. From now on all mail > you send will be in plain ASCII. > > No Hope for AOL 8.0 > > Reportedly AOL 8.0 can't be configured to send plain > text. Sorry. > > An Alternative . . . > > AOL users can send plain text by using the AOL > Mail on the Web facility. > > (log on to AOL's online website and send your mail > from there). > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > you're an artist." > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 06:33:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4TAWg314374; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 06:32:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050529112800.02d378b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:29:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Visual Loop In-Reply-To: <200505281859.j4SIx5L14906@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200505281859.j4SIx5L14906@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 11:51:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4TFo7l30011; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4299730E.60209@toadmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 03:45:18 -0400 From: "Todd A. Pafford" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Visual Loop References: <200505281859.j4SIx5L14906@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050529112800.02d378b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050529112800.02d378b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a k butler wrote: > > http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm > Very cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 12:29:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4TGSWm04129; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 12:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=foLnyx5Z2IwD8yYJWBQM1C5jvveo0FXXpTlxZJAvHJF7hDMPD/KJnzEqudjpsADBlCWToRJUpIBCNxw3TEFDeqoT7ocajrnsek7QBW7ytHdFO/ZuPzsMGdopzsTDT0wQ6iFy4iORW9gAoy+nYGF3FHiYSbQ+IAeIFwc27zmgwfk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:27:58 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein Reply-To: Neil Goldstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Japan Loop Tour Diary: #1 In-Reply-To: <429622BA.1060105@toadmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <039701c5622b$ff691640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <429622BA.1060105@toadmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4TGS4x04046 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com entertaining and cool for armchair travellers. Thanks Rick. On 5/26/05, Todd A. Pafford wrote: > loop.pool wrote: > > If anyone is interested, I have been keeping a rather wordy tour diary > > of my solo tour in Japan. > > At the moment I'm digging all things Japanese and love your road tales. > Keep 'em coming. :) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 16:56:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4TKt0m25012; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 16:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <460c1b649441185f2f373fc8c59949c1@imaginationsite.com> References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <460c1b649441185f2f373fc8c59949c1@imaginationsite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FD40F14-1F2E-45B6-8CDA-818891BD4C4E@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Fill my rack! Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:54:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rack effects I've got and like: SansAmp PSA-1 Lexicon Vortex -- I would love something that sounded as warm without being quite so noisy Korg AM8000R and DL8000R -- both are pretty twisted, both are tricky to come by I would be fond of the Line 6 Delay Pro if it had a hold function. It doesn't even have a delay-remain bypass function the way the pedal does. Bummer. But the sounds decay nicely. (Then again, you knew that since you used to have one.) I'm also fond of my Ibanez SDR-1000+ reverb and my TC M300, but they are basically just nice reverbs. Stuff that I'm thinking about: PAiA Quadrafuzz Peavey Kosmos or Kosmos Pro I go back and forth on the question of whether I should just shift to a software-based solution. I've also previously vowed that the only new rack effect I would be buying would be a Chameleon, but I haven't gotten one yet. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 18:37:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4TMaJZ10066; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:36:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:36:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429A43F1.207@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:36:33 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fill my rack! References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <460c1b649441185f2f373fc8c59949c1@imaginationsite.com> <6FD40F14-1F2E-45B6-8CDA-818891BD4C4E@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <6FD40F14-1F2E-45B6-8CDA-818891BD4C4E@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > I go back and forth on the question of whether I should just shift to > a software-based solution. I've also previously vowed that the only > new rack effect I would be buying would be a Chameleon, but I haven't > gotten one yet. > Best do it fast as they have called it a day and will no longer be in production :-( http://www.soundart-hot.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=074b5fca704ca17235213aec4cdc724e;act=ST;f=1;t=108 Strange thing they didn't update the main site or post that news anywhere that I could find easily. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 20:13:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U0Chv28426; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:12:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,148,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1133765451:sNHT23580666" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <429A43F1.207@minds-eye.org> References: <20050527034904.65283.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <460c1b649441185f2f373fc8c59949c1@imaginationsite.com> <6FD40F14-1F2E-45B6-8CDA-818891BD4C4E@baymoon.com> <429A43F1.207@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68AEE004-CA23-4314-BBDD-16A395A279C5@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Fill my rack! Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:11:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I'd read that with great regret; I was looking forward to hearing about their version 2... But they were simply a little bit ahead of their audience, I believe. I hope the Receptor takes off...and that it gets itself in sync with Reaktor. That, or something like it, would be a powerful thing, to be sure. Reaktor's already got the freshest sounding FX I've come across, and in an ever- growing profusion. dc On May 29, 2005, at 3:36 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > >> >> >> I go back and forth on the question of whether I should just shift >> to a software-based solution. I've also previously vowed that the >> only new rack effect I would be buying would be a Chameleon, but >> I haven't gotten one yet. >> >> > Best do it fast as they have called it a day and will no longer be > in production :-( > > http://www.soundart-hot.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi? > s=074b5fca704ca17235213aec4cdc724e;act=ST;f=1;t=108 > > Strange thing they didn't update the main site or post that news > anywhere that I could find easily. > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 20:27:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U0QY432594; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:25:48 -0400 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: test MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6E487FBC.4EB8B4F6.0269DAB0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.116.200 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 21:55:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U1sgw15823; Sun, 29 May 2005 21:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=BQ2QFinhwT2QdReLh1B+p/faJv5i7YwBwKh5NVRSnMoX7jhYV7FE4SWMmevDgy5Q; Message-ID: <410-22005513015815730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:58:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404895c980cb8bb9dc8380b2249d8b93c1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3 words...Total Sonic Annihilator. It lets you get new sounds from stuff you already own by creating feedback loops. My pal Greg from Magonia has been using his for a couple of years now and gets remarkable oscillations that can be manipulated with the guitar's tone, volume, and pickup controls. When I can afford to buy more stuff, I may just grab one. Electro-Joy Unto You, Tim M > [Original Message] > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: > Date: 5/28/2005 1:35:00 PM > Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! > > Per - You're definitely onto something with your "controller interface" > response. Which probably explains why computers are so compelling a tool > for those who use them to modify their sounds. Yet the interface of the > computer -- and the KAOSS Pad -- is just two dimensional. So, imagine if > the interface can become three-dimensional? > > Luca - I think Luca's point about "building a complex algorithm that can be > easily modified by a performer on the fly without drop-outs and during > performance" (my words) is the "other-side" of the same argument -- again > it's about the interface. Luca wants a fast, and easily manipulated > interface so he can keep his mind on the playing. > > Jeff - Your point about "synchronized effects" in a way also speaks toward > the simple and fast to manipulate interface argument - this time > manipulating more than one effect at a time. > > But as Luca points out, the "mathematical calculations" -- however we > interface with them -- are where the altered sounds come from. Travis > reminds us, linking or chaining effects in more complex ways doesn't always > sound good. And yet, one man's trash is another man's treasure: how many > people passed up using the clicks, glitches and scratch sounds before they > were so powerfully deployed in various kinds of contemporary electronic > rock? > > I remember reading something Eno said -- I'm paraphrasing: "If it sounds > like it's being abused, it becomes rock." So, as I play "unguitar" I wonder > if really what I'm searching for is a way to abuse the effects I already own > in new ways that I can control easily and that does not damage them -- all > towards building sounds that I employ to build music I like. > > Based on what I've experienced with my volume knob and a Fuzz Factory, it > seems that adding ZVEX tone Fuzz Probe is an important thing for me to get: > > Unique, three-dimensional interface -- check > Simple to manipulate while I play -- check > Sounds abusive -- check > > :-) > > Thanks guys!!!!!!!! > > David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 21:58:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U1vhm16565; Sun, 29 May 2005 21:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=pVFlj32O/Ni7QfC3h2Q56nShxBD5D6hLdHESoAk7zjeg1GTUCAe+lMoz5oaJ2Oo7; Message-ID: <410-2200551302059290@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:00:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406370687d885c0bd33313280bd053d358350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Did you ever see the Z-Vex Drip guitars? They had a Z-Vex Wah Probe built into the guitar under the pickguard." Back around 2000, my friend Mark Sullivan didn't wanna wait for such a guitar, and he just velcroed his fuzz probe to his guitar. Not a graceful-looking solution, but it worked ;-) ~TimM > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 5/28/2005 2:03:43 PM > Subject: Re: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! > > On Sat, 28 May 2005, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Per - You're definitely onto something with your "controller interface" > > response. Which probably explains why computers are so compelling a tool > > for those who use them to modify their sounds. Yet the interface of the > > computer -- and the KAOSS Pad -- is just two dimensional. So, imagine if > > the interface can become three-dimensional? > > Like the pressure-sensitive touchpad used in the center of the Moog > Voyager synth? Yeah :). > > > I remember reading something Eno said -- I'm paraphrasing: "If it sounds > > like it's being abused, it becomes rock." So, as I play "unguitar" I wonder > > if really what I'm searching for is a way to abuse the effects I already own > > in new ways that I can control easily and that does not damage them -- all > > towards building sounds that I employ to build music I like. > > > > Based on what I've experienced with my volume knob and a Fuzz Factory, it > > seems that adding ZVEX tone Fuzz Probe is an important thing for me to get: > > > > Unique, three-dimensional interface -- check > > Simple to manipulate while I play -- check > > Sounds abusive -- check > > I have a Z-Vex Trem Probe (the volume control): it's great. I've worked > with a Fuzz Probe a bit, and I can recommend it. I want to point out that > the theremin-like control plate on the Z-Vex Probe series is controlling a > single parameter, regardless of from what angle you approach it. Int he > case of the Trem Probe, it's the volume. In the case of the Fuzz Probe, > the theremin plate controls the Stability value of the built-in Fuzz > Factory. Don't get me wrong, it's great. > > Did you ever see the Z-Vex Drip guitars? They had a Z-Vex Wah Probe built > into the guitar under the pickguard. > > http://zvex.com/guitars/ > > best, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Fukadugalon (forthcoming) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 29 22:38:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U2bTH23007; Sun, 29 May 2005 22:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=Mc0BIled9joMtErWoTgEjbWbcWvxM2kcZfi9ILGJjZxHDOOrC86w1drqr0a4nEeo; Message-ID: <410-22005513024045370@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fill my rack! Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:40:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b6159d681b2a9887dd7c5532b7a8aa4b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.1 Resent-Message-ID: <0xxrH.A.ZlF.nwnmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own a Quadrafuzz and it's a fascinating device, sort of a vastly extended Rockman. It uses LEDs to clip. Flexible. I don't use it much anymore, but it's pretty cool. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Mark Hamburg > To: > Date: 5/29/2005 4:55:38 PM > Subject: Re: Fill my rack! > > Rack effects I've got and like: > > SansAmp PSA-1 > Lexicon Vortex -- I would love something that sounded as warm without > being quite so noisy > Korg AM8000R and DL8000R -- both are pretty twisted, both are tricky > to come by > > I would be fond of the Line 6 Delay Pro if it had a hold function. It > doesn't even have a delay-remain bypass function the way the pedal > does. Bummer. But the sounds decay nicely. (Then again, you knew that > since you used to have one.) > > I'm also fond of my Ibanez SDR-1000+ reverb and my TC M300, but they > are basically just nice reverbs. > > Stuff that I'm thinking about: > > PAiA Quadrafuzz > Peavey Kosmos or Kosmos Pro > > I go back and forth on the question of whether I should just shift to > a software-based solution. I've also previously vowed that the only > new rack effect I would be buying would be a Chameleon, but I haven't > gotten one yet. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 00:21:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U4Jbn13460; Mon, 30 May 2005 00:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:19:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Thinkbox Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:20:50 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c564ce$f65ce1d0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday June 1st - Thinkbox Windsor/ Detroit's Thinkbox is a self-curating media collective, created to explore technological works and contemporary media in relation to both gallery and commercial distribution networks. Thinkbox reflects the varied interests of its members. Much of their collective output to this point has involved the creation of large scale new media installations, of video projections, of performances in gallery settings, as well as occasional forays into the more experimental aspects of club culture. They have also delved heavily into web-based MP3 projects, and have released two CD projects, SETTINGS (2003) and GUITAR (2004). A third CD project, FIELDS, is currently in progress. Collective and/or solo member performances have occurred at the following major venues and festivals: Movement (Detroit's Electronic Music Festival), USA / Cranbrook Museum of Art, USA / New Maps Festival, Montreal / Deep Wireless Festival, Toronto / Vancouver New Music's Dangerous Currents Festival / The Ann Arbor Film Festival, USA / Mutek Festival (a 3-hour collective showcase event for the 2004 edition). Thinkbox was selected as one of URB magazine's "Next 100 Artists for 2004". Their CDs are distributed in Canada by THE CANADIAN MUSIC CENTRE For this PING show - their first visit to Toronto as a collective - Thinkbox will be represented by multi-media and electronic sound collage artist Mark Laliberte, film & video artist Chris McNamara and sound & video artist Steve Roy. http://www.thinkbox.ca Between Sets CD - "Somewhere Else" by Steve Roach & vidnaObmana "Somewhere Else" is a 71 minute piece from the limited edition three CD Box set "Ascension Of Shadows" which was recorded live in vidnaObmana's studio in Belgium during a European visit by Roach. http://www.steveroach.com http://www.vidnaobmana.be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wed. June 8th - Sylken with URM and Anomalous Disturbances http://sylken.ca http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com http://www.urm.ca http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On Wed., May 25, THE AMBiENT PiNG presented two outstanding concerts that extended the range of typical PiNG offerings. Ben Grossman (hurdy gurdy) & surprise guest, Sean O'Connor (bass clarinet), started things off with a series of lush soundscapes. The first song could have been composed for a classic black & white Hollywood movie soundtrack with its smoky atmospherics and long notes reminiscent of Ravel's "Bolero." The duo then retreated underwater for the second piece with a down tempo song that conjured willowy reeds and cattails swaying in a rippling pond. Without the murkiness often associated with marsh habitats, Ben and Sean entered a liquid musical space perfect for deep exploration by two post-traditional musicians with clear instrumental virtuosity. Next, The PiNG audience revisited the ProgRock roots of the best known early ambient music pioneers with a high voltage show by Winnipeg's Mahogany Frog. Serving up potent '70s grooves inspired by Soft Machine, Weather Report and Miles Davis, they led their music through intricate twist and turns, evoking Frank Zappa and Focus. Clearly, this was music not to be ignored and the audience responded in kind with enthusiasm and appreciation for this unexpected retrospective. More information about tonight's performers is available at: http://www.macrophone.org www.mahoganyfrog.ca *** Coming soon: i POP PiNG, THE AMBiENT PiNG's soon-to-be launched scene zine. i POP PiNG is looking for articles, reviews and musings by performers and listeners with ambient, improvisational and experimental leanings from anywhere in the world. Queries can be e-mailed to luna@theambientping.com. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "A Distant Signal" by Alpha Wave Movement perfectly captures the wonder and mysteries of space. With track one "Mapping the Heavens" we begin a journey through other worlds, a simple question used to open our minds to the possibilities of life on other planets. Lush synth tones caress the senses, a feeling of movement, the slow passage of time. The mood builds in track two "Distant Signals", leading into a thick groove that draws you in, pulling you into a new atmosphere, a new environment. "Liquid Cosmos" continues your journey, a beguiling arpeggio playing in the distance, a wash of synth, and the occasional chime. Breathtaking. It goes on, with each new piece another alien landscape taking form, a new land to discover. From dense ice worlds to planets where clouds billow and fold in spiralling patterns, "A Distant Signal" provides the soundtrack to a thousand new vistas, a thousand new sights. Space music at it's finest... rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 02:35:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U6WKB01152; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 02:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c564e1$2df30e50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Japanese Tour Pictures posted Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:31:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am uploading all the tour pictures from my Japanese tour if anyone is interested in seeing them. They're at www.looppool.info/JapaneseTourPix2005/ They're mostly from the Kobe Underground Festival that list member Sunao Inami produced (with Aci, my host) and there are some really cool costumes that people caught on film in pictures with me, touristically centered in the middle (lol), including my favorite, a picture with the two beautifully attired transvestite queens who had the most elaborate costumes. In it I'm wearing a custom headpiece I got at www.foxylocks.com. Not your typical live looping pic of moi.......... yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 03:06:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4U73Lc08765; Mon, 30 May 2005 03:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 03:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <000f01c564e1$2df30e50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <000f01c564e1$2df30e50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1CA98B52-F9FC-4A87-BFB5-840E8EAA4100@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Japanese Tour Pictures posted Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:02:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On May 30, 2005, at 8:31, loop.pool wrote: > I am uploading all the tour pictures from my Japanese tour if > anyone is interested > in seeing them. > > They're at www.looppool.info/JapaneseTourPix2005/ > > They're mostly from the Kobe Underground Festival that list member > Sunao Inami produced (with Aci, my host) > and there are some really cool costumes that people caught on film > in pictures with me, touristically centered in the middle (lol), > including > my favorite, a picture with the two beautifully attired > transvestite queens who had the most elaborate costumes. > In it I'm wearing a custom headpiece I got at www.foxylocks.com. > Not your typical live looping pic of moi.......... > > yours, Rick Thanks! Very nice pictures! You have been working on your photographing skills ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 06:49:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UAmGZ09378; Mon, 30 May 2005 06:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 06:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:03:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V5-1 Subject: modding EDPs for Street music? From: "Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1DcgAu-27i9Oy0@fwd25.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: Zk3ZRoZOZeCxoq1TYK21c43tDdw-gncxzBhoqmYAqxh+eENRyqniEA@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 7424ba85-9217-4c65-9452-f7f99b65958b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, I just tried to ask the archive first of all, but anything I entered returned 0 Matches....? anyway, I own an EDP and would like to mod it to be battery powered. Do there exist any experiences on this? Or where could I get a (partial) schematic? I´m no real expert, but from a quick glance, I would say that there are at least three different voltages produced by the device´s power supply. So, one interesting goal would be to keep the number of batteries employed small. Any suggestions? Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 07:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UBAxm13153; Mon, 30 May 2005 07:10:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 07:10:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: To: Subject: RE: modding EDPs for Street music? Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:10:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1DcgAu-27i9Oy0@fwd25.aul.t-online.de> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't help with the EDP problem. Can't help with the archive problem either, but there's an alternative to searching the LD archive using google: Enter site:loopers-delight.com in the search term box along with your search term and you may find some stuff, e.g. in your case: site:loopers-delight.com EDP battery mod HTH Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com -----Original Message----- From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de [mailto:Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de] Sent: Montag, 30. Mai 2005 11:03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: modding EDPs for Street music? Hi list, I just tried to ask the archive first of all, but anything I entered returned 0 Matches....? anyway, I own an EDP and would like to mod it to be battery powered. Do there exist any experiences on this? Or where could I get a (partial) schematic? I´m no real expert, but from a quick glance, I would say that there are at least three different voltages produced by the device´s power supply. So, one interesting goal would be to keep the number of batteries employed small. Any suggestions? Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 08:09:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UC8aA27030; Mon, 30 May 2005 08:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:08:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ifchA+Mx6HIneFenbTbBoOEp1PrD7lcKIFoDEjv+XOWw93zIIWDIFkpVdi7+3N7DPgyutxt2y+OALW6e3sX/yPY0LLNT+NhBF0OUBQNc35j+OaV1V06tSQ+7QL6D+MWsxO/5ApQ1CQRge6Ewwao45oQvaNlO8fGRHW/47XofMZQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 05:07:42 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: modding EDPs for Street music? In-Reply-To: <1DcgAu-27i9Oy0@fwd25.aul.t-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1DcgAu-27i9Oy0@fwd25.aul.t-online.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4UC7mx26903 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm also getting the "0 responses on all search terms" problem, which is something I remember from the past, but I don't remember how it was reconciled. There's someone on the list (I think it's on this list...) who put together a portable rig, described in this message : http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00254.html It could be heavier and more costly than you're hoping for though. TravisH On 5/30/05, Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de wrote: > Hi list, > > I just tried to ask the archive first of all, but anything I entered > returned 0 Matches....? > > anyway, I own an EDP and would like to mod it to be battery powered. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 09:00:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UCxnh06301; Mon, 30 May 2005 08:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:59:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:58:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V5-1 Subject: Re: modding EDPs for Street music? From: "Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1Dcjqk-0mcM7c0@fwd22.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: SOPCVvZSreNSSdQ12pwHYvn9-B7lzw3RP5vw+5yicLhSuFzEHmbh62@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 9d295b5d-11fe-4f94-97ef-8e98d3c25702 Resent-Message-ID: <-ya9TB.A.rhB.o4wmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Travis and danke, Bernhard, owing to Bernhard´s hint I was able to browse a little myself and found that thread, too. Especially interesting, because I had one such 12V to AC adaptor lying around anyway. Just hooked it up and it works fine. Still, it is not the solution I favor in terms of power consumption/ battery life. The adaptor draws approx. 1A of current from the battery, (which is about accaptable for me) but could presumably be at least halved if you are able to connect the battery directly to the EDP´s circuitry. regards, Manfred Travis Hartnett wrote: >There's someone on the list (I think it's on this list...) who put >together a portable rig, described in this message : > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00254.html > > >It could be heavier and more costly than you're hoping for though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 11:42:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UFg0d05764; Mon, 30 May 2005 11:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c5652d$fb578dc0$99ed5651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <000f01c564e1$2df30e50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Samples added Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:41:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all Just to let you know I've added 2 new tracks of mine to my website, I'm afraid the quality isn't fantastic but thats the price paid for quick download I suppose! Happy looping all Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 11:46:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UFiY506590; Mon, 30 May 2005 11:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:51:06 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Visual Loop To: Message-id: <000401c5652f$64a91cc0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200505281859.j4SIx5L14906@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050529112800.02d378b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopy stuff! http://random.zongrila.com/swirl.php http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html David ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:29 AM Subject: Visual Loop > > > http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 11:50:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UFlfC07335; Mon, 30 May 2005 11:47:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:47:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.208] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004001c5652d$fb578dc0$99ed5651@homemain> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loops on MySpace Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:46:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2005 15:46:42.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6631390:01C5652E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there. I just put some of my stuff on MySpace. It is not recent work but hopefully I will have some new things to share by summer Cheers Lou www.myspace.com/lourossi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 12:06:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UG62614004; Mon, 30 May 2005 12:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 12:06:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c56531$4f770450$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Fw: ....from "The Pearl" to my personal "pearly way" Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:04:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <6yPW6.A.oYD.rmzmCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, thanks for your comment. I think it's important to get feedback from other loopers in this list ! I hope to hear something new from you. Fabio download.com/eterogeneo _____________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: ....from "The Pearl" to my personal "pearly way" > On May 26, 2005, at 12:51, Fabio Anile wrote: > > > Another free download track...walking on the footsteps of Mr. Brian > > Eno and Harold Budd, that's called " In a pearly way " > > Comments are welcome > > fabio > > > Comment: Very pleasant music. Thank you! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 12:33:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UGX5x19872; Mon, 30 May 2005 12:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 12:33:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c56531$05896360$99ed5651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <000f01c564e1$2df30e50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <004001c5652d$fb578dc0$99ed5651@homemain> Subject: Web address Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:02:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <0hCX6.A.d0E.gA0mCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops by the way if anyone was interested the website is: www.danmayfield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 13:13:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UHCd727840; Mon, 30 May 2005 13:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a401c5653a$9d0646f0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <000001c561e7$444a3220$1602a8c0@studio> <006a01c56228$307f7340$c0a0fe91@synthhost> Subject: Re: Eight Hour Drone Event Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:11:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2XmTD.A.7wG.rl0mCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your comment. I really appreciate it ! Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ___________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "wavecomputer360" To: "Scott M2" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Eight Hour Drone Event > WOW! That´s exactly I´d like to do... > > Stephen (smoulderng with envy... oh, no, not really, but still... 8-) ) > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott M2" > To: "Ambient@hyperreal" ; "Dark Seeds" > ; "Drone Deep Chill" > ; "Loopers Delight" > ; "The Ambient Way" > > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:37 PM > Subject: Eight Hour Drone Event > > > > > > The Eight Hour Drone is an interesting event (in Toronto) that > > I'll be participating in this Sunday. My shift is 6:30-7:45pm > > and I'll be using synth with treatments (including the wicked > > Alesis Bitrman - Thanks Loopers Delight group) and loopers. > > AMBiENT PiNG performers Aidan Baker and Jakob Thiesen are > > also drone troopers in this sonic assault on the note A. > > > > (Please excuse all the Caps - this is a cut & paste) > > > > Cheers, > > Scott M2 > > > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > > ------------------------EIGHTHOURDRONE------------------------------ > > > > MERCER UNION AND BLOCKS RECORDING CLUB PRESENT > > > > THE EIGHT HOUR DRONE SHOW > > MERCER UNION > > 37 LISGAR STREET (QUEEN AND DOVERCOURT) > > 12NOON TO 8 PM > > SUNDAY MAY 29TH, 2005 > > > > Blocks Recording Club and Mercer Union present the EIGHT HOUR DRONE SHOW. > A > > fundraiser for Blocks Recording Club, curated and organized by Alex Snukal > > and Steve Kado. Twenty-eight performers in shifts of five will produce the > > note A for eight hours. The entire event will be recorded and sold as an > > eight hour MP3 CD through Blocks Recording Club. > > > > There will be a massive merch table with recordings from many of the > > participants, the Blocks Recording Club catalogue, and special fundraising > > projects. The merchandise will be cross-referenced with the schedule so > > you'll know which performer has made which recording. > > > > FEATURING DRONE PERFORMANCES BY: JONATHAN ADJEMIAN, AIDAN BAKER, COLIN > > BERGH, MICHELLE BRESLIN, GREG COLLINS, NICO DANN, HANS FINKELDLY, BREDAN > > FLANAGAN, MISHA GLOUBERMAN, PAIGE GRATLAND, SCOTT HARRISON, KEVIN HEGGE, > > JACOB HORWOOD, STEVEN KADO, ELISHA LIM, MARCO LANDINI, SCOTT M2, RYAN > > MAGUIRE, PAUL MORTIMER, LIZ PETERSON, MATIAS ROZENBERG, EUGENE SLOMIMEROV, > > MIKE SPEARS, MATT SMITH, MIKE STAFFORD, JAKOB THIESEN, BOB WISEMAN, AND > ALEX > > WOLFSON. > > > > ALL-DAY PASSES $8 ($5 FOR MERCER UNION MEMBERS) > > TICKETS AT: THE DOOR, MERCER UNION, EIGHTHOURDRONE@HOTMAIL.COM, ROTATE > THIS, > > SOUNDSCAPES. > > > > HOURLY PASSES $3 - AVAILABLE ONLY AT THE DOOR > > > > SPECIAL OBELISK SHAPED VEGAN DRONE FOOD BY CHEF SAM HIGGS. > > MASSIVE MERCH TABLE > > MASSIVE SOUND > > MASSIVE. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 14:26:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UINEI09338; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050530181959.38765.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: gear stolen in Las Vegas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds so familar... didn't they get all their gear stolen once before? AS FOR LAS VEGAS My girlfriend and I were staying at the Mandalay Bay this April. We checked out and had the bellboy bring out luggage to be stored in their luggage storage place. They assured us it was locked and guarded. When we came back a few hours later to get our bags, all seemed in order. When we got home we realized that both our iPods had been taken out of my bag. It was something I carried on with me and never left my shoulder... save for the time it was in their "secure storage." If the Mandalay Bay would have done the right thing (they've admitted that our bags were never put in storage at all- when we got there they were out on a baggage cart by the taxi stand! AND a security person notiticed something suspicious going on so started recording in the area our bags were in.) I wouldn't be writing this. Instead, they claim, "no liability" EVEN THOUGH THEY ADMIT THE INVESTIGATION THEY HAD DONE WASN'T DONE. a-hem. so the moral? Be prepared to be ripped off. I hope the Mermen get their gear back, it's a sucky sucky thing. Mark --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > Forwarding this from the Mermen list - if you're > near Las Vegas please > watch for this UHaul trailer. > > > Mermen's Gear Stolen in Las Vegas! HELP!! > > The Mermen suffered a disasterous tragedy last night > (5/26/05) in Las Vegas > after their > show at the Hard Rock Cafe. The UHaul trailer that > they had all of their > gear stored in was > stolen from the oversize parking lot at The Flamingo > Hotel/Casino. The lost > all of their > amps, Jim's guitars, Jennifer's bass, Martyn's > drums, cables, Jaime's video > projection > equipment. They are all devastated, and need help > getting their gear back. > > $$$ They are willing to pay a reward for the return > of their gear. > > The UHaul trailer that was stolen had a Chicago > travel ad on the side, and > the license plate > # is: Arkansas PT103498. The UHaul number is : > AU34671C. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 15:34:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4UJXCp20723; Mon, 30 May 2005 15:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: ae5f7def172861ac41ce56598e30dacf Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.135; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1Dcjqk-0mcM7c0@fwd22.aul.t-online.de> References: <1Dcjqk-0mcM7c0@fwd22.aul.t-online.de> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:28:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: modding EDPs for Street music? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-oqRY.A.m_E.Mp2mCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thank you Travis and danke, Bernhard, > >owing to Bernhard´s hint I was able to browse a little myself and found >that thread, too. > >Especially interesting, because I had one such 12V to AC adaptor lying >around anyway. >Just hooked it up and it works fine.  > >Still, it is not the solution I favor in terms of power consumption/ >battery life. The adaptor draws approx. 1A of current from the battery, >(which is about accaptable for me) but could presumably be at least >halved if you are able to connect the battery directly to the EDP´s >circuitry. > >regards, >Manfred I suppose you would need 3 batteries to save significantelly 5V 1,5A +12V 200mA -12V 100mA (I dont remember precisely) or take all from one 6V battery and use DC-DC chips for the 12V I am not sure whether this will bring noise, though! hope you make it! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 20:26:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4V0Pa810021; Mon, 30 May 2005 20:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:25:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:32:20 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Early Loops To: Message-id: <000301c56578$352ab780$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200505281859.j4SIx5L14906@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050529112800.02d378b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <000401c5652f$64a91cc0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <5td-aB.A.faC.866mCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today has been a day of spring cleaning - and listening to some of my first looped music while I file, sort and organize things. I've been quite struck by how simple things I did long ago have (to my ears) held up quite well. http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist Do you guys ever listen to your earliest stuff? Does it rock you still? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 21:06:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4V15Bg18025; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29826967.1117501383729.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:03:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: d'oh! Re: Web address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops! Dan, I accidentally reported your e-mail to my ISP as spam! Sh*t! Oh well, if past experience is any indication, it won't make a bit of difference ;-) Again my apologies. ~Tim M -----Original Message----- From: Dan Mayfield Sent: May 30, 2005 12:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Web address Whoops by the way if anyone was interested the website is: www.danmayfield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 23:19:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4V3Hf013244; Mon, 30 May 2005 23:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:17:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:24:28 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Star Wars Loops To: Message-id: <000301c56590$412ea880$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200505281859.j4SIx5L14906@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050529112800.02d378b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <000401c5652f$64a91cc0$0affff0a@hppav> <000301c56578$352ab780$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I think we all can do with a little laugh. Actually, if this were to make it to the radio, I'm sure people would get a kick out of it. Listen to it, Loopers. It is your destiny.... http://vaderremix.ytmnd.com/ Happy Memorial Day! David Kirkdorffer http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_song_artist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 30 23:43:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4V1qX527207; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=RUM1bvr2BnNMbqOYEFau5DSoLZB/r/xwqi7JKgRhfRklu72zYgoY1fbPFx1dD9Ce; Message-ID: <410-2200552311555130@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: gear stolen in Las Vegas Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:55:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94025ee76d861fbcd66eb6ba2d21b6843ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.163.251 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it is, as you say, a "sucky sucky thing," both your experience and the Mermen's and Sonic Youth's and...damn, there are a lot of awful people out there who just don't understand what they do to someone when they take their stuff, especially their instruments. Best of luck to the Mermen. ~TimM > [Original Message] > From: mark sottilaro > To: > Date: 5/30/2005 2:23:55 PM > Subject: Re: OT: gear stolen in Las Vegas > > This sounds so familar... didn't they get all their > gear stolen once before? > > AS FOR LAS VEGAS > > My girlfriend and I were staying at the Mandalay Bay > this April. We checked out and had the bellboy bring > out luggage to be stored in their luggage storage > place. They assured us it was locked and guarded. > When we came back a few hours later to get our bags, > all seemed in order. When we got home we realized > that both our iPods had been taken out of my bag. It > was something I carried on with me and never left my > shoulder... save for the time it was in their "secure > storage." > > If the Mandalay Bay would have done the right thing > (they've admitted that our bags were never put in > storage at all- when we got there they were out on a > baggage cart by the taxi stand! AND a security person > notiticed something suspicious going on so started > recording in the area our bags were in.) I wouldn't be > writing this. Instead, they claim, "no liability" > EVEN THOUGH THEY ADMIT THE INVESTIGATION THEY HAD DONE > WASN'T DONE. > > a-hem. > > so the moral? Be prepared to be ripped off. I hope > the Mermen get their gear back, it's a sucky sucky > thing. > > Mark > > --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > > Forwarding this from the Mermen list - if you're > > near Las Vegas please > > watch for this UHaul trailer. > > > > > > Mermen's Gear Stolen in Las Vegas! HELP!! > > > > The Mermen suffered a disasterous tragedy last night > > (5/26/05) in Las Vegas > > after their > > show at the Hard Rock Cafe. The UHaul trailer that > > they had all of their > > gear stored in was > > stolen from the oversize parking lot at The Flamingo > > Hotel/Casino. The lost > > all of their > > amps, Jim's guitars, Jennifer's bass, Martyn's > > drums, cables, Jaime's video > > projection > > equipment. They are all devastated, and need help > > getting their gear back. > > > > $$$ They are willing to pay a reward for the return > > of their gear. > > > > The UHaul trailer that was stolen had a Chicago > > travel ad on the side, and > > the license plate > > # is: Arkansas PT103498. The UHaul number is : > > AU34671C. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 02:08:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4V67EU10434; Tue, 31 May 2005 02:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Japanese Tour Pictures posted Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:06:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000f01c564e1$2df30e50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 31 May 2005 08:02:04 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.120.43 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great diary and pics Rick! thanks for posting ... this really must have been an interesting and fun week ... michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 02:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4V6IvN12177; Tue, 31 May 2005 02:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:18:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Loops on MySpace Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:17:27 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 31 May 2005 08:13:29 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.120.43 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, cool sounding loops Louis! remind me of Torn's Tonal Textures which I love so much. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis Rossi [mailto:tarbit@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Loops on MySpace > > > Hey there. > > I just put some of my stuff on MySpace. It is not recent work but > hopefully > I will have some new things to share by summer > > Cheers > Lou > > www.myspace.com/lourossi > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 04:28:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4V8NVv04719; Tue, 31 May 2005 04:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 04:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.713591 secs Process 99057) Message-ID: <49425.213.100.44.49.1117527754.squirrel@213.100.44.49> In-Reply-To: <005901c56531$05896360$99ed5651@homemain> References: <000f01c564e1$2df30e50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <004001c5652d$fb578dc0$99ed5651@homemain> <005901c56531$05896360$99ed5651@homemain> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: mp3s for you -> places & festivals in sweden From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thank for your comment, Stéphane. > I was very very happy, reading that my music "touched" you ! > I'd like to come in Sweden for playing. Let me know if there are festivals > or other places for playing ambient music. Hi, festival in Sweden: http://www.norbergfestival.com/B1.htm festival in Finland: http://www.koneisto.com/flash.html concert place & events organisers: http://www.fylkingen.se/ concert place: http://www.ugglan.de.vu/ conert place: http://www.kulturhuset.se/default.asp?id=3198&Category=Lava events organisers: http://www.nursery.a.se/arkiv.html studios & events organisers: http://www.ems.rikskonserter.se/default2.asp listening to your music i'd suggest you get in touch with the Nursery people & Fylkingen first. in fact i'm French living in Stockholm so there might be other places i don't know yet... i'll let you know if i remember other festivals. Stéphane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org > Thanks again > Fabio > download.com/eterogeneo > > PS: I'm going to see your web site > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "obadia" > To: "magicicada" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: mp3s for you. > > >> thank you c.! your music touched me... >> you should come & play here in sweden >> >> >> >> Stéphane Obadia >> http://www.clumsybeats.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hello all, I just wanted to share some selection from music I have >> > been making as of late. I used to post on Looper's Delight in the past >> > but, went away from it for awhile. Most of the magicicada tracks were >> > done live, some in the studio, some in warehoues, etc... with minimal >> > editing. Farfisa, melodica, voice, dl4s, repeaters, (((endless >> > delays))) tea cups, geetar, cassette decks for the blind, marbles, >> > field recordings and all kinds of other stuff was used in the building >> > of these songs. >> > I hope you like 'em. >> > I am only going have them up for a short while. >> > thanks! >> > >> > c. >> > >> > http://www.magicicada.com/magicicada-Demand-My-Fucking-Cloud.mp3 >> > >> > http://www.magicicada.com/flesh-is-final.mp3 >> > >> > http://www.magicicada.com/secrethistory1.mp3 <> Swarmbots >> > >> > http://www.magicicada.com/magicicada-peach-is-pink.mp3 >> > >> >>>and my version of pop with the amazing Trulee Grace Hall:<< >> > >> > http://www.magicicada.com/wellbelow3.mp3 >> > >> > http://www.magicicada.com/truleegrace.mp3 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 09:00:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VCwcp16161; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <429C5FE3.6040306@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:00:19 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for May, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/top20may.html WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for May, 2005. Shows #424 to #427; 5-May-2005 to 26-May-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic RSS News Feed: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== The Amaranth Signal - Penumbra - none ARC - Arcturus - DiN Between Interval - Secret Observatory - Spotted Peccary Cassiel - LISTEN/MOVE - Atomic City Conrad Schnitzler and Michael Thomas Roe - Mi.T.-CON 04 - none Dennis Haley - Seven Seconds After - Neverwhere Jon Jenkins - Beyond City Light - Spotted Peccary Kagermann, Keller, Schonwalder & Friends - The Liquid Session - Manikin Mikronesia - Tissue Paper Ghosts - none Radio Massacre International - Emissaries - Cuneiform Recompas - Definition - Nophi Robert Rich - Echo of Small Things - Soundscape Spyra - Meditationen - Manikin TouchXtone - EyeDrum and Beyond - none TouchXtone - Java Monkey - none TouchXtone - One - none TouchXtone - Two - none Various Artists - Awakenings 2005 - AmbientLive Various Artists - electro-music 2005 Sampler - electro-music media Wave World - Dimensions - Quantum Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 09:01:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VD0Gl17826; Tue, 31 May 2005 09:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1117544304!16949527!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A0F4@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Visual Loop Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:59:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C565E0.951AFA20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C565E0.951AFA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 09:52:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VDoS128496; Tue, 31 May 2005 09:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.201] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loops on MySpace Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:47:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2005 13:47:52.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[575B9E40:01C565E7] Resent-Message-ID: <0lkA9.A.U4G.OsGnCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael. Thank you so much for listening & for your kind words too! Regards Louis >From: "Michael Peters" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: RE: Loops on MySpace >Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:17:27 +0200 > >wow, cool sounding loops Louis! remind me of Torn's Tonal Textures which I >love so much. > >-Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Louis Rossi [mailto:tarbit@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:47 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Loops on MySpace > > > > > > Hey there. > > > > I just put some of my stuff on MySpace. It is not recent work but > > hopefully > > I will have some new things to share by summer > > > > Cheers > > Lou > > > > www.myspace.com/lourossi > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 11:25:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VFOE114810; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Juana Molina loop talk Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:22:01 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 31 May 2005 17:18:04 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.120.43 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just listening to an interview with the wonderful Juana Molina where she talks about how she uses loops in her solo concerts. Check it out at the current Mixing It which will be online until Friday here: Friday 27 May 2005 22:15 Robert Sandall and Mark Russell present a unique mix of musical styles and influences, including a specially recorded session from Argentinian singer and electronics artist Juana Molina. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/mixingit/index.shtml Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 17:40:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VLcq410205; Tue, 31 May 2005 17:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:38:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050531213745.21932.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a Vortex... I can't for the life of me remember why I sold it other than that I remember having issues programming it... I couldn't wrap my head around it! That and the noise were always issues... could be worth another look though. Mark --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Did anyone suggest a VORTEX yet? It's stereo, which > matches well to your > Repeater. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 17:43:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VLfmi10585; Tue, 31 May 2005 17:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050531214117.79382.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001801c56342$920f6140$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, nothing like running my Kazooka through the my KAOSS pad. It's not no new effects in it, but the way you can "play" the effect IS new and that makes the KAOSS pad a winner IMO. ... as is the Kazooka. --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > While I think getting a cool sax-a-like sound from a > kazoo and an octave > pedal run through a Marshall has it's merits, such > old-school cooking is a > dying breed. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 17:51:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VLm7i11462; Tue, 31 May 2005 17:48:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:48:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050531214701.73970.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <61kOUB.A.0tC.atNnCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good point, and that is why I LOVE my AirFX and KAOSS pads. However, to use either while playing guitar... is difficult. Wouldn't it be nice if such a device was built into a guitar and available as some sort of joystick or xy pad mounted right on the instrument? I had dreams of mounting a KAOSS pad like this, but it's far too big. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > - Controller Interface! > > I'd definitely say that it's now all about > Interface; better ways to connect man and machine for intuitive interaction. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 18:08:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VM6h614730; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:06:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:06:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SDcMeAKgOaG5PnOn9VQE/Q1Xa1K3sxwD+sAN/gqUjmvp1LFPTroN6queMZ7MXVKs9DbXyAKy6U1g6Aq5pZQR7LSaRFUB47PX0ZfAkjzj5i+ORlZTyLuEcfkj5gKNMDY/pITvY5gxm15cLJgDbxeKokHckWxNgJXjEDX9hUvbolI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:05:26 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! In-Reply-To: <20050531214701.73970.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050531214701.73970.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j4VM5Yx14554 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw a guitar that had a Kaoss pad mounted into it, I believe it was Lyle Workman who had it built. It did have a rather large body. On 5/31/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Good point, and that is why I LOVE my AirFX and KAOSS > pads. However, to use either while playing guitar... > is difficult. Wouldn't it be nice if such a device > was built into a guitar and available as some sort of > joystick or xy pad mounted right on the instrument? I > had dreams of mounting a KAOSS pad like this, but it's > far too big. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 18:16:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VMDQp15515; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20296386.1117577568857.JavaMail.root@wamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:12:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beck's guitar meister Lyle Workman has one built in to some manner of custom job. I seem to recalls seeing something in regard to this in Guitar Player some time back. You might want to look in their indexes for that article. -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro Sent: May 31, 2005 3:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Good point, and that is why I LOVE my AirFX and KAOSS pads. However, to use either while playing guitar... is difficult. Wouldn't it be nice if such a device was built into a guitar and available as some sort of joystick or xy pad mounted right on the instrument? I had dreams of mounting a KAOSS pad like this, but it's far too big. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > - Controller Interface! > > I'd definitely say that it's now all about > Interface; better ways to connect man and machine for intuitive interaction. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 19:21:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j4VNKKM24579; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:20:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:20:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:20:27 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000d01c56637$5458fe40$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <20050531214701.73970.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Good point, and that is why I LOVE my AirFX and KAOSS > pads. However, to use either while playing guitar... > is difficult. Wouldn't it be nice if such a device > was built into a guitar and available as some sort of > joystick or xy pad mounted right on the instrument? I > had dreams of mounting a KAOSS pad like this, but it's > far too big. > > Mark Paul Asselin from the Toronto duo Software uses a boom stand to mount an AirFX in front of him so he can wave his guitar at it while playing or a free hand when not. You can sort of see how it's set up in this photo. http://www.theambientping.com/events2002a.html#jan_8_2002 Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 20:59:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j510wTI05237; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HJGWNuy9Vae7C1DYDLjCDaHtLzZLohE6EUB2cg8IzhXCYDd06dXLJV8GLDV2D4j6bMJuBuSFDGHnY47yumPXVaiMBSeCV2slTj+7Ndv1RqMz3K1dc90DZwx5ifxxGcOTeuhhalzgx0uBHr8XRrK+Fb20JCtFVuD1rUfJkYClIEw= ; Message-ID: <20050601005739.36257.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: In search of a NEW effect --- was: Fill my rack! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3B0TwC.A.nPB.QgQnCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think one of David Torn's Koll guitars is like that. I'm not sure of the details, so I won't attempt anything more than a vague description, but if I remember correctly it's got a patina-ed copper pickguard which acts as a a tactile interface to control a circuit (a modded zvex, perhaps?) that's either thereminish or KAOSesque. -t- --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Good point, and that is why I LOVE my AirFX and > KAOSS > pads. However, to use either while playing > guitar... > is difficult. Wouldn't it be nice if such a device > was built into a guitar and available as some sort > of > joystick or xy pad mounted right on the instrument? > I > had dreams of mounting a KAOSS pad like this, but > it's > far too big. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 31 23:37:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j513arY30705; Tue, 31 May 2005 23:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 23:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 23:43:59 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Florida Club Seeks LOOPING Artists To: Message-id: <002e01c5665c$258191c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A good friend of mine is seeking Loopers for a weekly loopers night for a club she is booking. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO ME -- PLEASE RESPOND TO KARINE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Karine would like to have a monthly loopers night on a Monday. She is also speaking with a poets group so maybe just maybe loopers and poets and then who knows from there. Karine Albano South Shores Tavern and Patio Bar 502 Lucerne Ave Lake Worth Florida 33460 561-547-7656 info@southshorestavern.com www.southshorestavern.com Pictures: http://www.southshorestavern.com/gallery.html