From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 00:08:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2154Ri02075; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 00:04:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 00:04:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <42239E6B.00004A.02560@A7V266E-XP-USER> References: <42239E6B.00004A.02560@A7V266E-XP-USER> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-14-349709176 Message-Id: <41C0970C-8A0F-11D9-BC7D-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Mp3 down sampling Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:03:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-14-349709176 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If you are using Mac OSX. Sound Converter is a great App. $10 http://www.dekorte.com/software/osx/SoundConverter/ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,=20 Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the=20= art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &=20 Cher) On Feb 28, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Sony Felberg wrote: > Hi, > =A0I have=A0400plus=A0mp3 file at 64kbps that I need to convert to = Mmp3 at=20 > 48bkps.=A0Does anyone know of a cheap tool, under 100 US$, that can do=20= > this conversion is batch mode?=A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 TX! > =A0 > =A0 > > --Apple-Mail-14-349709176 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you are using Mac OSX. Sound Converter is a great App. $10 http://www.dekorte.com/software/osx/SoundConverter/ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Feb 28, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Sony Felberg wrote: = <VerdanaHi, Verdana=A0I have=A0400plus=A0mp3 file at 64kbps that I need to convert to Mmp3 at 48bkps.=A0Does anyone know of a cheap tool, under 100 US$, that can do this conversion is batch = mode?=A0 = Verdana=A0= = Verdana=A0= Verdana =A0 = TX! = Verdana=A0= Verdana = =A0 = --Apple-Mail-14-349709176-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 06:38:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21BZs112749; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 06:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 06:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42245383.4050503@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:35:31 +0000 From: Steve Lawson Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loop List Subject: Loopalicious gigs this week in England Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've got two gigs-with-other-loopers this week - Thursday, Traders, Petersfield - duet gig with Theo Travis - http://www.theotravis.com - Theo plays sax/flute (with Gong/Anya Gabarek/JBK etc. as well as fronting his own band and playing solo), his solo CD 'Slow Life' is THE DL4 album - just alto flute and DL4, it's fantastic. We'll both be doing solo loopy sets, and then a duo loopy set. Much looping to be evident :o) - see http://www.stiffpromotions.co.uk for more info Tix £5 adv £6 door Friday, The Troubadour, Earls Court, London - solo gig on a bill with pedal steel legend, BJ Cole - http://www.bjcole.co.uk (BJ's CV is insane, check out the list of credits at http://www.bjcole.co.uk/Sessions.html - it's insane. The list of albums he's played on in the All Music Guide is HUGE.) Anyway, he's now playing with a trio of him playing steel + Echplex, laptop blokey with beats and Ableton Live and a percussionist. It's fab. We'll also be playing some duets. £8 (£6 concessions). Please come out and support los loopsteros. Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 27/02/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 07:26:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21COsS19301; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:24:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:24:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42245F59.DD05ED61@brassmonkeyproductions.com> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:26:01 -0700 From: John Armstrong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loop List Subject: Gig Spam: looping in Calgary, AB References: <42245383.4050503@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, If there are any of you in Calgary, here's a gig with a little bit o' looping. Cheers, John Thursday, March 3rd LEO .fx at Grace Baptist Church 2670 Radcliffe Drive SE Calgary, AB We are playing at the reception from 5:30 - 6:30 pm, as part of the arts component of "Reality Check 2005: Inequity and Well-being in a Debt-free Alberta." The conference registration is full, but the reception is open to the public. We will also be joined by spoken wordsmith, Gary Lee, for a portion of the show. http://www.brassmonkeyproductions.com/artist/LEOfx.html http://www.timewiseevents.com/realitycheck/ LEO .fx - tribal electrinica duo combining sequenced tracks and real time loops of electronic beats, hand drums & bass guitar with Theremin & didgeridoo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 11:17:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21GDYa20289; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:13:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:13:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-25703-1109693573-0001-2" Message-Id: <42249486.00000C.03196@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:12:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, tentaclejoe@gmail.com Subject: Re: Mp3 down sampling X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-25703-1109693573-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-25703-1109693573-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. 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> From: Sony Felberg [mailto:son= y@real.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: Mp3 down sampling
>
> Hi,
>  I have 400plus mp3 file at 64kbps that I need to con= vert to Mmp3 at
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> this conversion is batch mode?
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I used to have a digitech sampler/delay but it fell into disuse based on the music I was doing. I want to get back into sound on sound and some basic looping and digital delays but things have evolved so much in the 7 years since I last used sample/delay/sos. I play solo with an acoustic guitar on stage. After tons of reading, I went and bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20 yesterday form Guitar Center. I played some last night and found the volume output from the pedals kinda wimpy. I can live with that. Having said that, the giga-delay didn't really float my boat. not sure why, but it seems kinda overkill and funky for stage use. It's got great sound but for some reason it's not sounding the way I expected it to. The RC20 is kinda cool and it seemed to be more friendly for stage performance but still a little cumbersome in some ways. Since these are being used primarily for LIVE performances, anyone have any ideas on what I could do? I'm thinking of returning the DD20 and possibly the RC20 (though I got it to do some cool stuff) because of it's *immediate* cutoff on the looping. (Heck for the money for both of these ,I could midi-ize the guitar instead, which would take me in a slightly different direction-granted) Thoughts? Thanks! ~peace~ Michael wwww.michaelplishka.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 13:27:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21IOCp11255; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:24:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:24:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Best for looping live Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1109698969.4224a9991f6f0@www.michaelplishka.com> Thread-Index: AcUeh9yTwFrZx7cwRVSgUJfWJEcxdwAA3bQA Message-Id: <20050301182312.HKGQ18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex Digital Pro-- I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . . But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 13:33:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21IU0R12686; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:30:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:30:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ms1010IRPMnvNnKP5cHnepiXp2zDhb5slZ3iKDeopQY+avZuWZP6d/mTPticQgbS3olbYI+joFc+pY0MuFFKydm6am+9oNVGCsMFJVmwLJznnUR+QCcVo76oqfVFNPgQNxGeH5zwp53TLJH8L/Q0bPrJic8jD35N5f/DgOwyfOw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:29:20 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best for looping live In-Reply-To: <1109698969.4224a9991f6f0@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1109698969.4224a9991f6f0@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a lot of variables to consider. And, to a degree, the looper you choose will dictate a fair amount of the structure of what you'll play. I'm unaware of any pedal looper that supports loop copy or multiply features, so that you can start with a cell loop of say, four bars, then copy that to another loop while overdubbing and switch between the loops. If your base loop is a percussion track (tapping and slapping an acoustic guitar, for example) then you can build verse/chorus sections in a smooth, real time manner. Loop multiply allows you to take a base loop and then buld a new loop consisting of copies of that loop, with or without overdubbing which can occur in real time. So, if you have a four bar base loop you can create a "verse" which is twelve or sixteen bars, and a chorus which is eight bars, and so on. The EDP supports this, and I believe the Repeater also does. Without loop copy ability, you'd have to record a base loop for your first loop, then repeat the procedure for your second loop. So if you were looking to create the sixteen bar verse and eight bar chorus I mentioned, you'd have to play those twenty-four bars before you could start overdubbing more parts (chords, bass line, harmony, etc). It can be done, but it can take longer and it's not as flexible. Which brings us to the pricing and rack vs. pedal issue. If you're looking for something that sits on the floor and costs less than $500, then you might want to consider a Boomerang, which supports up to two loops with a variety of performance oriented features. If you can spend more and aren't rack-gear adverse, then the EDP or Repeater might be better suited to what you're trying to do. On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:42:49 -0500, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Hi everyone! > I used to have a digitech sampler/delay but it fell into disuse based on the > music I was doing. I want to get back into sound on sound and some basic > looping and digital delays but things have evolved so much in the 7 years since > I last used sample/delay/sos. I play solo with an acoustic guitar on stage. > Since these are being used primarily for LIVE performances, anyone have any > ideas on what I could do? I'm thinking of returning the DD20 and possibly the > RC20 (though I got it to do some cool stuff) because of it's *immediate* cutoff > on the looping. (Heck for the money for both of these ,I could midi-ize the > guitar instead, which would take me in a slightly different direction-granted) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 13:49:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21Ij1716407; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:45:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:45:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1109702658.4224b802ec7e3@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:44:18 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Best for looping live References: <20050301182312.HKGQ18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20050301182312.HKGQ18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.89.160.22 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Gary. I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals) is it worth it? MP Quoting Gary Lehmann : > Echoplex Digital Pro-- > I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . . > But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . . > > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 13:58:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21IsDm18586; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=emENIi37jHT+iqO4b7075dapKqh9wO+MHb2mzJWUomnQidS89jVLK7WTCJ3q2YDiXBbGIVDYMEu/X5KFVc+YfOHRv1JErZX1HrA34eY4NXXW+5efkts6w4X6oQsbnDxVLcJH4zu6IzME2EepZcuSU8Me6Jk1FnTJ2lQfLnbpVBw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:52:35 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best for looping live In-Reply-To: <1109702658.4224b802ec7e3@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050301182312.HKGQ18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> <1109702658.4224b802ec7e3@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 8 second or 32 second memory? JamMan memory can be tough to find. On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:44:18 -0500, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Thanks Gary. > > I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals) is > it worth it? > > MP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 14:00:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21IwDJ19456; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:58:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:58:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Best for looping live Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:57:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1109702658.4224b802ec7e3@www.michaelplishka.com> Thread-Index: AcUejwaclGWZF5S0S1CEqTubTXGyVgAAQyZA Message-Id: <20050301185707.UGRW15592.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <2bq5KC.A.QtE.KsLJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good question--short answer yes . . . I had the Jam box when it first came out--saw it at the NAMM show and acquired it in short order--bumped it up to 32 seconds-- But it "didn't do what I told it to". The MIDI response wasn't fast enough, and 32 seconds might seem like a long time while you are waiting to die but not if you're trying to play a ballad-- I used it, I liked it, and I sold it for more than 350 so--hell yeah man, go for it! Gary -----Original Message----- From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Best for looping live Thanks Gary. I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals) is it worth it? MP Quoting Gary Lehmann : > Echoplex Digital Pro-- > I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . . > But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . . > > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 14:07:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21J4Ap21034; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:03:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4200073C000E361B@ims2c.cp.tin.it> From: maxramazzina@virgilio.it Subject: manual for korg dl 8000 r To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" X-Originating-IP: 151.42.109.48 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j21J3ax20915 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for the manual of korg DL 8000 R! It's an old beutiful delay unit.... Can anybody help me??? tank you!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 14:11:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21J93b22203; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:09:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:09:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1109704054.4224bd76b20f4@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:07:34 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best for looping live References: <20050301182312.HKGQ18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> <1109702658.4224b802ec7e3@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.89.160.22 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm waiting for a response to a message I left on just that point. Quoting Travis Hartnett : > 8 second or 32 second memory? JamMan memory can be tough to find. > > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:44:18 -0500, mike@michaelplishka.com > wrote: > > Thanks Gary. > > > > I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals) > is > > it worth it? > > > > MP > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 15:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21KsO712559; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:54:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:54:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <199.39f1799e.2f563061@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:53:53 EST Subject: Re: Best for looping live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.39f1799e.2f563061_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.39f1799e.2f563061_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: > bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20 > yesterday form Guitar Center.=A0 I played some last night >=20 mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael --part1_199.39f1799e.2f563061_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:


bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and*=20= the RC20
yesterday form Guitar Center.=A0 I played some last night


mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael
--part1_199.39f1799e.2f563061_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 17:05:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j21M1Ib22766; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:01:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:01:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Z=FCrich_Loopfest_2005?= Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:00:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j21M0ox22674 Resent-Message-ID: <8oyGLC.A.liF.TYOJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bernhard, As you know I applied for a Swedish public grant to cover up for travel costs to come and play in August. Now they answered back and said that they could not take any decision because I "had not filled out the form correctly, since I had left the text area for gage blank". Next meeting will be on May 20 and if I get back to them with a sum for "gage" I will probably get the grant for travel costs. I called them up and they told me that they have to get the figure because they have this political goal to not support "bad" venues that pay musicians too little money. Personally I think that is a good idea, but the reality is that I and many other musicians don't think that it's such a great idea to base a creative lifestyle aiming at creating unusual music on the income you can make as a musician. Trying that is just stupid and very uncreative in the long run. Their way of thinking make sense when applied to commercial forms of music or institutionalized music (playing in symph orchestras etc). I told them that I was going to play "on the door", sell CDs and also play another gig in Italy that will bring some money in (which is true) and also that I value the Zürich Loopfest very high for promotional matters. So the guy actually said "just give us a sum for the gage and it will be fine with help for your travel costs". I don't think they need to se a copy of a contract so my idea is to simply mail them an estimated figure. There is a "Club gig norm" here of SEK 1650 (USD 240) and that's the figure I'm planning to give them. That's the lowest you can go without breaking the rules and disqualifying for the grant support ;-) Myself I never thought about getting paid for playing, really. That would not be possible with an expensive venue and that many performers. But the Swedish support group have to follow the rules, I'm afraid. So I'll "estimate the gage" and send them the figure, but I really can't take any money in reality, unless all your costs are first paid for and all performers are sharing the rest equally. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 19:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j220UgF12822; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <41AA8A84.4010509@gmail.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Festival Gig Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:29:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2005 00:30:01.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8D8E270:01C51EBE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I am finally in the mood and position to start organinsing some sort of tour. When I was back at my old hotmail address ( lol c - testtubemicro) I was kindly offered a slot in this years 2005 loopstock I was wondering if someone could confim to me the dates so I can start to make travel arrangments. actually spurred on my another topic currantly flying around I would be interested ot here if anyone knows of any place where I could apply for a musical arts grant for help with my travel costs. anyways, just wanted ot get the ball rolling, feel free to write off list if any of you have any sort of info for me. yours hopefully Phill Wilson (aka Blackface) www.download.com/therealblakcface.com _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 21:09:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2226xa23343; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Best for looping live Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:08:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050301185707.UGRW15592.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How can one tell if it's 8 or 32 based on bootup? Or does one have to open it up? Thanks! ~peace~ Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Best for looping live > > > Good question--short answer yes . . . > I had the Jam box when it first came out--saw it at the NAMM show and > acquired it in short order--bumped it up to 32 seconds-- > But it "didn't do what I told it to". The MIDI response wasn't > fast enough, > and 32 seconds might seem like a long time while you are waiting > to die but > not if you're trying to play a ballad-- > I used it, I liked it, and I sold it for more than 350 so--hell > yeah man, go > for it! > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:44 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Best for looping live > > Thanks Gary. > > I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any > foot pedals) > is it worth it? > > MP > > Quoting Gary Lehmann : > > > Echoplex Digital Pro-- > > I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . . > > But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . . > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 21:19:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j222HPW24920; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:17:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:17:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20040927220900.18883.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040927220900.18883.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-426067960 Message-Id: From: Ed Drake Subject: Eivind Aarset torrents on Easytree Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:16:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-426067960 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Loopas, There was some talk on the list about Eivind Aarset awhile back so I thought I'd let everybody know about two torrents seeding now on Easytree. One of them is going rather slowly at the moment but the other one is moving along nicely. I haven't heard them myself yet but details can be found here: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=23661 http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=24025 Loop on Ed --Apple-Mail-1-426067960 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Loopas, There was some talk on the list about Lucida GrandeEivind Aarset awhile back so I thought I'd let everybody know about two torrents seeding now on Easytree. One of them is going rather slowly at the moment but the other one is moving along nicely. I haven't heard them myself yet but details can be found here: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=23661 http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=24025 Loop on Ed --Apple-Mail-1-426067960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 21:35:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j222XJ827085; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:33:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: optigan Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:32:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <46082920-892A-11D9-B2FD-000A956F605C@fuse.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that a steel or nylon string Turner guitar? Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: optigan i'm tired of paying for storage space for this unit, so it's up for sale. i'm in southeast ohio, so i'd prefer to have it picked up. optigan- with 15 or so discs. the weirdest, lo-fi, granny approved, optical-sample playing keyboard ever made for home entertainment. talk about loops... best/soonest offer takes it. peace monk@fuse.net i'm also getting rid of some vintage guitar parts, a rick turner renaissance guitar and a few boutique guitar pedals... email me OFF-LIST for any of this stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 22:12:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2239mj31530; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:09:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:09:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=TccSJoOvV6C1NOsO0PJOQMuoxg4t8eRR8b1KVf5ijxGyofxTNWz2HM7M3Dm1T8g+; Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:17:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Best for looping live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9C164D1C-8AC9-11D9-8671-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd485cfaff24f300d27500ad213ed1b8659cf2c98678957fd5f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.134.242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if you can tell by booting the unit. One way to tell is once the unit is on, press the tap button once. The display will cycle( go around in a clock-wise direction), if it stops after 8 seconds you have 8 seconds worth of memory. joe On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 06:08 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > How can one tell if it's 8 or 32 based on bootup? Or does one have to > open > it up? > > Thanks! > > ~peace~ > > > Mike > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Best for looping live >> >> >> Good question--short answer yes . . . >> I had the Jam box when it first came out--saw it at the NAMM show and >> acquired it in short order--bumped it up to 32 seconds-- >> But it "didn't do what I told it to". The MIDI response wasn't >> fast enough, >> and 32 seconds might seem like a long time while you are waiting >> to die but >> not if you're trying to play a ballad-- >> I used it, I liked it, and I sold it for more than 350 so--hell >> yeah man, go >> for it! >> >> Gary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:44 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Best for looping live >> >> Thanks Gary. >> >> I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any >> foot pedals) >> is it worth it? >> >> MP >> >> Quoting Gary Lehmann : >> >>> Echoplex Digital Pro-- >>> I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . . >>> But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . . >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 22:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j223r0A04451; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:53:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:53:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:59:20 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Best for looping live To: Message-id: <001201c51edc$37818280$4c87a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050301182312.HKGQ18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> <1109702658.4224b802ec7e3@www.michaelplishka.com> <1109704054.4224bd76b20f4@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget the Boomerang. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/rangreview2.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 23:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j223x1D05320; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:05:18 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Korg Kaoss Pad Entrancer To: Message-id: <001c01c51edd$0c6e7b60$4c87a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <8ZX1hD.A.SSB.knTJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think there are a few video imagery people on the list. If you're one of them, this might interest you - the Korg Kaoss Pad Entrancer. http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KPE1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 23:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22475F06432; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:12:36 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: manual for korg dl 8000 r To: Message-id: <002a01c51ede$115b5b60$4c87a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4200073C000E361B@ims2c.cp.tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not the manual, but it might help you figure it out. Good luck. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html If not, let me know. I have the manual somewhere. I can photocopy it for you it you like. David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: manual for korg dl 8000 r > I'm looking for the manual of korg DL 8000 R! > It's an old beutiful delay unit.... > Can anybody help me??? > tank you!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 1 23:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j224NaA08600; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:23:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:23:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:29:54 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: WVKR-FM To: Message-id: <003b01c51ee0$7cba0300$4c87a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C51EB6.92F15DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C51EB6.92F15DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm cross-posting this from another list. I thought a few people here = would want to take advantage of it. David Kirkdorffer Free UNDO MP3's: http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=3Dlisting_= song_artist Hi -=20 My name is Scott Raymond, and I'm a New Age music DJ with WVKR-FM. = WVKR=20 is a 3700 watt non-commercial station broadcasting from Vassar College = to the=20 greater Hudson Valley area. My show, "Secret Music", has been on for = over 17 years=20 and has a large and devoted audience. Check us out online at = www.wvkr.org. Hopefully winter will be over soon, and the snow will go away. I'm = always looking for=20 new and interesting music to play, so if you know of something, drop me = a line. I'll be=20 making a more serious effort soon to find a local concert space to put = on shows. Lots=20 of people ask me about it, and hopefully this will be the year. I'm also = starting to book=20 live interviews at the station for local and regional artists, or those = merely passing=20 through. If you're interested, drop me a line. Thanks.=20 Scott Raymond WVKR-FM 16 Penn St. Fishkill, NY 12524 newage@secretmusic.net WVKR-FM "Secret Music" Top 20 Playlist February, 2005 1. Ozone Player - Frozen Paint on Boiling Canvas - Visual Power 2. The Amaranth Signal - Penumbra - the amaranth signal 3. Michael Whalen - My Secret Heart - Narada 4. Binar - The Truth Sets Us Free - Bogus Focus=20 5. Mark Mahoney - If Dreams Were Clouds - Self Released 6. Enterphase - Solar Promenades - AD Music 7. Markus Reuter - Pure - DiN 8. Maitreya - .74 - Council of Nine 9. Various Artists - Slack Key Guitar Volume 2 - Palm Records 10. California Guitar Trio - Whitewater - InsideOut Music 11. Anne Trenning - All One World - Shadetree Records 12. Soundician - Seven Sisters - Soundician 13. Frank Van Bogaert - Closer - Groove Unlimited 14. Harald Grosskopf - Yeti Society - Groove Unlimited 15. John Duval - Hell's Canyon - Hypnos Binary 16. David Wright - Continuum - AD Music 17. Ian Tescee - Breathwork - Tescee=20 18. Cryptic Scenery - Behind The Gates - BSTBA=20 19. Barbara Markay - Shambhala Dance - My Thing Music 20. Undo - Deux - Undo ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C51EB6.92F15DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm = cross-posting this=20 from another list.  I thought a few people here would want to take=20 advantage of it.
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
Free UNDO MP3's:
http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.htm= l?tag=3Dlisting_song_artist
 
 
 
Hi - =

  My=20 name is Scott Raymond, and I'm a New Age music DJ with WVKR-FM. WVKR =
is a=20 3700 watt non-commercial station broadcasting from Vassar College to the =
greater Hudson Valley area. My show, "Secret Music", has been on for = over 17=20 years
and has a large and devoted audience. Check us out online at=20 www.wvkr.org.

  Hopefully winter will be over soon, and the = snow=20 will go away. I'm always looking for
new and interesting music to = play, so=20 if you know of something, drop me a line. I'll be
making a more = serious=20 effort soon to find a local concert space to put on shows. Lots
of = people=20 ask me about it, and hopefully this will be the year. I'm also starting = to book=20
live interviews at the station for local and regional artists, or = those=20 merely passing
through. If you're interested, drop me a line. = Thanks.=20
Scott=20 Raymond
WVKR-FM
16 Penn St.
Fishkill, NY 12524

newage@secretmusic.net
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       WVKR-FM = "Secret Music"=20 Top 20=20 Playlist
          &= nbsp;        =20 February, 2005

1. Ozone Player - Frozen Paint on Boiling Canvas - = Visual=20 Power
2. The Amaranth Signal - Penumbra - the amaranth signal
3. = Michael=20 Whalen - My Secret Heart - Narada
4. Binar - The Truth Sets Us Free - = Bogus=20 Focus
5. Mark Mahoney - If Dreams Were Clouds - Self Released
6.=20 Enterphase - Solar Promenades - AD Music
7. Markus Reuter - Pure - = DiN
8.=20 Maitreya - .74 - Council of Nine
9. Various Artists - Slack Key = Guitar Volume=20 2 - Palm Records
10. California Guitar Trio - Whitewater - InsideOut=20 Music
11. Anne Trenning - All One World - Shadetree Records
12. = Soundician=20 - Seven Sisters - Soundician
13. Frank Van Bogaert - Closer - Groove=20 Unlimited
14. Harald Grosskopf - Yeti Society - Groove = Unlimited
15. John=20 Duval - Hell's Canyon - Hypnos Binary
16. David Wright - Continuum - = AD=20 Music
17. Ian Tescee - Breathwork - Tescee
18. Cryptic Scenery - = Behind=20 The Gates - BSTBA
19. Barbara Markay - Shambhala Dance - My Thing=20 Music
20. Undo - Deux - Undo

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C51EB6.92F15DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 00:07:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2254Mi13002; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4225486F.4020101@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:00:31 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: manual for korg dl 8000 r References: <4200073C000E361B@ims2c.cp.tin.it> <002a01c51ede$115b5b60$4c87a344@hppav> In-Reply-To: <002a01c51ede$115b5b60$4c87a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3QOMPD.A.uJD.dkUJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try contacting Korg. When I got a used AM8000R they sent me a copy of the manual when I asked if they knew where I could get one. Kevin > > >>I'm looking for the manual of korg DL 8000 R! >>It's an old beutiful delay unit.... >>Can anybody help me??? >>tank you!!! >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 02:47:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j227hUL32701; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:43:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:43:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: woodpussy@woodpussy.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:33:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Old Hadley Subject: Help Finding Tapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-aZEgB.A.19H.D6WJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all. I'm in Los Angeles and I just went on an all day goose chase looking for 12 minute loop tapes for use in a sculpture I'm building. Does anyone know where I can find tapes in L.A. ?? Thanks in advance, Jason From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 06:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22BfkO26822; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 06:41:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 06:41:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:41:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4200073C000E554E@ims2c.cp.tin.it> In-Reply-To: <002a01c51ede$115b5b60$4c87a344@hppav> From: maxramazzina@virgilio.it Subject: Re: manual for korg dl 8000 r To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: vze2ncsr@verizon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" X-Originating-IP: 151.38.201.168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j22BfLx26751 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for the answer! Anyway, if you have the manual somewhere, I'm very happy if you could send it to me. If you don't have a scanner to sent it by mail I'll sent you my address. thank you thank you thank you! >-- Messaggio originale -- >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:12:36 -0500 >From: "David Kirkdorffer" <> >Subject: Re: manual for korg dl 8000 r >To: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >It's not the manual, but it might help you figure it out. Good luck. > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html > >If not, let me know. I have the manual somewhere. I can photocopy it for >you it you like. > >David > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:03 PM >Subject: manual for korg dl 8000 r > > >> I'm looking for the manual of korg DL 8000 R! >> It's an old beutiful delay unit.... >> Can anybody help me??? >> tank you!!! >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 11:21:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22GDNi15884; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:13:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:13:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:12:43 +0100 From: jan Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Z=FCrich_Loopfest_2005?= In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3f067655c8a95263ef57dffab16431e2@igmbergen.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j22GCox15730 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, Im looking into grants myself, and tough i live in Norway there might be similarities to where and how to apply. Is there a special organisation you are applying to? Most of the grants i have found here (norway) are difficult to get access to if you not already are a professional musician. As for one time i applied to get a grant to go to the states to study Sitar with Roop Verma, i had a personal recomandation from Roopji, and all looked swell, but it was a no go, no grant since im not a professional Norwegian sitarplayer, how odd up is that? However a swedish sitarstudent almost got a grant thrown after him when he applied to go to the same place. guess im on the wrong side of the border : ( Jan Pċ 1. mar. 2005 kl. 23.00 skrev Per Boysen: > Hi Bernhard, > > As you know I applied for a Swedish public grant to cover up for > travel costs to come and play in August. Now they answered back and > said that they could not take any decision because I "had not filled > out the form correctly, since I had left the text area for gage > blank". Next meeting will be on May 20 and if I get back to them with > a sum for "gage" I will probably get the grant for travel costs. > > I called them up and they told me that they have to get the figure > because they have this political goal to not support "bad" venues that > pay musicians too little money. Personally I think that is a good > idea, but the reality is that I and many other musicians don't think > that it's such a great idea to base a creative lifestyle aiming at > creating unusual music on the income you can make as a musician. > Trying that is just stupid and very uncreative in the long run. Their > way of thinking make sense when applied to commercial forms of music > or institutionalized music (playing in symph orchestras etc). I told > them that I was going to play "on the door", sell CDs and also play > another gig in Italy that will bring some money in (which is true) and > also that I value the Zürich Loopfest very high for promotional > matters. So the guy actually said "just give us a sum for the gage and > it will be fine with help for your travel costs". > > I don't think they need to se a copy of a contract so my idea is to > simply mail them an estimated figure. There is a "Club gig norm" here > of SEK 1650 (USD 240) and that's the figure I'm planning to give them. > That's the lowest you can go without breaking the rules and > disqualifying for the grant support ;-) > > Myself I never thought about getting paid for playing, really. That > would not be possible with an expensive venue and that many > performers. But the Swedish support group have to follow the rules, > I'm afraid. So I'll "estimate the gage" and send them the figure, but > I really can't take any money in reality, unless all your costs are > first paid for and all performers are sharing the rest equally. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 12:17:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22H5eh26157; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:04:28 EST Subject: Steve Lawson "Grace and Gratitude" CD Review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fa.e06d545.2f574c1c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fa.e06d545.2f574c1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! On one of the occasions that I bumped into him at the NAMM show back in=20 January I managed to wheedle a copy of Steve's latest CD "Grace and Gratitud= e" out=20 of him. Well, actually, I bought it from him. But, I had the distinct feelin= g=20 he didn't have all that many copies on his person at that particular moment=20= in=20 time so I was very thankful he was willing to sell me one (and cheap too).=20 Fittingly, in the aforementioned gratitude, I offer this humble review: Grace and Gratitude I have to say up front, that I am completely, totally prejudiced concerning=20 loopy Britt bass player, Steve Lawson. He is not just one of my favorite=20 bassists, but one of my favorite musicians -- period. In fact he's on a very= short=20 list of bassists that really make me wish I'd stuck with the bass (which I=20 played when I was 10) and not moved to the guitar (at age 11). Sigh! It's to= o darn=20 late now bub. His new CD, "Grace and Gratitude," is another step in Steve's musical=20 evolution. It has a nice mixture of "light" and "shadow" to it. There are st= ill the=20 expected lovely loop/groove-based melodic pieces here and there, but there i= s=20 also a chilly sinister dissonance lurking at the edges that I don't think I'= ve=20 heard (as such) in his music before -- plus he offers up just a dash of=20 occasional funkiness this time 'round too.=20 Yes, Steve is a "looper" (user of a variety of digital delay devices to=20 musically "clone" himself in performance) but the technology never gets in t= he way=20 of the music. This CD also reveals a remarkable talent for tasty faux guitar= =20 playing as well, by his sometimes pitch-shifting (and occasionally distortin= g)=20 his bass sound -- nicely filling out that part of the musical spectrum on a=20 number of tunes. Unlike some guitarists who should never, ever attempt to pl= ay=20 bass, Steve pulls the reverse off with quite convincing panache. Speaking as= a=20 guitarist, it's just plain not fair!=20 As a fellow musician, it would be very, very easy to jealously resent the=20 fact Steve brings to his music a complete package of all-around spontaneous=20 compositional skills, a childlike inventive playfulness, real showmanship, a= nd a=20 truly unnerving command of his instrument that goes well beyond the usual=20 assumptions of its musical role. But, some of the tunes he comes up with (ag= ain and=20 again on disc after disc) are so doggone emotionally pure, vulnerable and=20 lovely it is hard to maintain that attitude and listen to him for very long=20 without being totally musically seduced all over again. If you like "honest" music and have big enough ears that you don't=20 particularly care that it doesn't fall neatly and easily into any specific,=20= tidy box of=20 preconceptions, this may be your disc. Watch out though -- it may literally=20 turn you head around musically as to just what a bass guitarist is supposed=20= to=20 sound like. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_fa.e06d545.2f574c1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all!

On one of the occasions that I bumped into him at the NAMM show back in Janu= ary I managed to wheedle a copy of Steve's latest CD "Grace and Gratitude" o= ut of him. Well, actually, I bought it from him. But, I had the distinct fee= ling he didn't have all that many copies on his person at that particular mo= ment in time so I was very thankful he was willing to sell me one (and cheap= too). Fittingly, in the aforementioned gratitude, I offer this humble revie= w:

Grace and Gratitude

I have to say up front, that I am completely, totally prejudiced concerning=20= loopy Britt bass player, Steve Lawson. He is not just one of my favorite bas= sists, but one of my favorite musicians -- period. In fact he's on a very sh= ort list of bassists that really make me wish I'd stuck with the bass (which= I played when I was 10) and not moved to the guitar (at age 11). Sigh! It's= too darn late now bub.

His new CD, "Grace and Gratitude," is another step in Steve's musical evolut= ion. It has a nice mixture of "light" and "shadow" to it. There are still th= e expected lovely loop/groove-based melodic pieces here and there, but there= is also a chilly sinister dissonance lurking at the edges that I don't thin= k I've heard (as such) in his music before -- plus he offers up just a dash=20= of occasional funkiness this time 'round too.

Yes, Steve is a "looper" (user of a variety of digital delay devices to musi= cally "clone" himself in performance) but the technology never gets in the w= ay of the music. This CD also reveals a remarkable talent for tasty faux gui= tar playing as well, by his sometimes pitch-shifting (and occasionally disto= rting) his bass sound -- nicely filling out that part of the musical spectru= m on a number of tunes. Unlike some guitarists who should never, ever attemp= t to play bass, Steve pulls the reverse off with quite convincing panache. S= peaking as a guitarist, it's just plain not fair!

As a fellow musician, it would be very, very easy to jealously resent the fa= ct Steve brings to his music a complete package of all-around spontaneous co= mpositional skills, a childlike inventive playfulness, real showmanship, and= a truly unnerving command of his instrument that goes well beyond the usual= assumptions of its musical role. But, some of the tunes he comes up with (a= gain and again on disc after disc) are so doggone emotionally pure, vulnerab= le and lovely it is hard to maintain that attitude and listen to him for ver= y long without being totally musically seduced all over again.

If you like "honest" music and have big enough ears that you don't particula= rly care that it doesn't fall neatly and easily into any specific, tidy box=20= of preconceptions, this may be your disc. Watch out though -- it may literal= ly turn you head around musically as to just what a bass guitarist is suppos= ed to sound like.


Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_fa.e06d545.2f574c1c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 12:47:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22HUAu31010; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c51f4d$3dc09020$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <199.39f1799e.2f563061@aol.com> Subject: Re: Best for looping live Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:21:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C51F22.57D4F350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <0eygpB.A.ZaH.7efJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C51F22.57D4F350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got an RC20 last week and I've been having a grand old time playing = with it. After reading some of the discussions on here about it, I had = no illusions about using it as a delay. It's not really. It's a = looper. It would be nice to have a 'feedback' control to allow it to = fade out over time. The tap-tempo/quantization bit is taking a little = getting used to, but it does lead to some interesting effects. I would = like to be able to just turn tempo/quantize completely OFF! I'm not = likely to use the mic in, but I do wish they would have put an XLR jack = on it instead of the 1/4". =20 I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is = anybody using one of these puppies? Like it? hate it? useful? make = screwy noise? I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be = filled. heh. got G.A.S. ?? Tony Subject: Re: Best for looping live In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20 yesterday form Guitar Center. I played some last night mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C51F22.57D4F350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got an RC20 last week and I've been = having a=20 grand old time playing with it.  After reading some of the = discussions on=20 here about it, I had no illusions about using it as a delay.  It's = not=20 really.  It's a looper.  It would be nice to have a 'feedback' = control=20 to allow it to fade out over time.  The tap-tempo/quantization bit = is=20 taking a little getting used to, but it does lead to some interesting=20 effects. I would like to be able to just turn tempo/quantize=20 completely OFF!  I'm not likely to use the mic in, but I do wish = they would=20 have put an XLR jack on it instead of the 1/4". 
 
I sort of remember some discussion = about the=20 Behringer Virtualizer, is anybody using one of these puppies?  Like = it?=20 hate it? useful?  make screwy noise?  I have a single space = left in my=20 rack just waiting to be filled.  heh.  got G.A.S. = ??
 
Tony
Subject: Re: Best for looping = live


In a message = dated 3/1/05=20 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com=20 writes:


bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20
yesterday form = Guitar=20 Center.  I played some last night


mike.....give it a bit = more=20 time!.....:)michael
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C51F22.57D4F350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 12:48:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22HfkS00779; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:41:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:41:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503021740.j22HeZx00560@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Best for looping live Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:40:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <004f01c51f4d$3dc09020$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUfTaa4i+Q+dA80RneyRaDJCRqyiQAALf/w Resent-Message-ID: <5QYSfD.A.GJ.TqfJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great but, they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner somewhere. ________________________________ From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best for looping live I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is anybody using one of these puppies? Like it? hate it? useful? make screwy noise? I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled. heh. got G.A.S. ?? Tony Subject: Re: Best for looping live In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20 yesterday form Guitar Center. I played some last night mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 12:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22HhWi01317; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:42:10 -0500 From: compguy1@optonline.net Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <2b9478d2b96250.2b962502b9478d@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if this is still an issue with the GNX4? DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches? Brian > Hi Paula, > > I don't have a JamMan, so I can't say how similar the GNX4 is to > it, > but my experience with the GNX4 is that this is one of the weakest > features on the device. It is very very hard to create seamless > musical sounding loops, and they will often contain clicks. I > thought > it was me until I borrowed a RC-20 from a friend and had no > trouble > creating loops that were in time. My theory is that there is a > delay > on the GNX4 that make the loop point hard to nail. But I could be > doing something wrong as I tend to use the GNX4 mostly for things > other > than looping. In fact I hope I am wrong and someone on here can > tell > me how to get a lot out of this function as it would be cool. > Also, I > could not find any kind of feedback control. Does the JamMan have > feedback? > > DJ > > On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:30 AM, wrote: > > > Does anyone use the Digitech GNX4? It's supposed to have a > built-in > > "JamMan Delay Looper w/8 levels of undo". Anyone know how much > of the > > functionality of the Jam Man is actually built into this device > ... or > > other comments? > > > > paula > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 13:43:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22IUJv08649; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:30:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:30:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c51f55$abc98880$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <2b9478d2b96250.2b962502b9478d@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:28:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of effect routing Claude >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this delay >is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if this is >still an issue with the GNX4? > > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches? > > Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:14:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22J7A020291; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:07:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Behringer Virtualizer (was RE: Best for looping live) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:06:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUfTaa4i+Q+dA80RneyRaDJCRqyiQAALf/wAAL8isA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200503021740.j22HeZx00560@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <20050302190619.TMGS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny you should ask: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Free shipping! I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up properly. Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack. I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Best for looping live Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great but, they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner somewhere. ________________________________ From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best for looping live I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is anybody using one of these puppies? Like it? hate it? useful? make screwy noise? I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled. heh. got G.A.S. ?? Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:16:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22JAh621227; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:10:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:10:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:08:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUfViDtRyoDHDY7Tvad2nt+QXeUOgABN/Tw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001901c51f55$abc98880$0100a8c0@mini> Message-Id: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 Brian even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of effect routing Claude >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this >delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if >this is still an issue with the GNX4? > > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches? > > Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:26:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22JJfK23095; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503021919.j22JJ4x22990@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Behringer Virtualizer (was RE: Best for looping live) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:19:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050302190619.TMGS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUfTaa4i+Q+dA80RneyRaDJCRqyiQAALf/wAAL8isAAAF/0cA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What would you expect from somebody with a Boss VF-1, a TC Fireworx and once an Adrenalinn (glowing reports?) they function but, the sounds it produces do nothing for me (again what would you expect?) I will sell mine for $70 (paypal only) shipped (USA lower 48) too bad I threw the box out a month or so back basically it is unused. Contact me off list. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer Virtualizer (was RE: Best for looping live) Funny you should ask: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Free shipping! I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up properly. Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack. I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Best for looping live Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great but, they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner somewhere. ________________________________ From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best for looping live I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is anybody using one of these puppies? Like it? hate it? useful? make screwy noise? I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled. heh. got G.A.S. ?? Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:29:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22JLEh23517; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:21:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:20:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200503021920.j22JKpC17864@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, for a while the Digitech series of processors (I'm speaking specifially of the 2120 but I think it applied to others) had seamless patch changes. It was a dual processor idea and if you were using an effect that used one processor, you could switch seamlessly to another single processor effect. I guess they ditched that idea now eh. Kevin > Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well-- > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 > > Brian > > even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop > out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of > effect routing > > Claude > > >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing > >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. > >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this > >delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if > >this is still an issue with the GNX4? > > > > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches? > > > > Brian > > > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:31:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22JPYa24265; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:25:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:25:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050302192500.33826.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah progress... the Digitech 2120 didn't do this. It's a great guitar effect processor and has pretty cool looping capabilities too. The only reason I gave mine up was because I wanted a solution that didn't envolve a rack and a floor controller. The box I ended up with was the Vox Tonelab SE. I think it's a great box and doesn't have the patch gap issue other units have. It's more or less instant. Where it disappoints is in it's reverbs and chorus effects which sound like stomp boxes and I like more of a hi-fi sound. However, if you want a box that sounds and feels like you've got a guitar plugged into a bunch of stomp boxes that feed into a tube amp, this is the best I've found. Mark --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well-- > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 > > Brian > > even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have > this type of delay/drop > out so you'll have to play with it or using a > split-paralell-merge type of > effect routing > > Claude > > >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, > and the worst thing > >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when > switching between patches. > >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and > Digitech told me this > >delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM > chip). I wonder if > >this is still an issue with the GNX4? > > > > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when > switching patches? > > > > Brian > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:46:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22Jf7H26480; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <3f067655c8a95263ef57dffab16431e2@igmbergen.no> References: <3f067655c8a95263ef57dffab16431e2@igmbergen.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <12c8240096b748bf3b08af0f7a6d02b4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?grants__=28was:_Re:_Z=FCrich_Loopfest_2005=29?= Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:40:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 2, 2005, at 17:12, jan wrote: > Hi Per, > > Im looking into grants myself, and tough i live in Norway there might > be similarities to where and how to apply. Each one with it's own traditions for taking care of its internal cultural affairs. However, international funds reach over national borders. > Is there a special organisation you are applying to? Most of the > grants i have found here (norway) are difficult to get access to if > you not already are a professional musician. That's how it is here as well. The truth is that there are more funds you can apply to than you might think before looking into it. There are books with listings and you can do internet search on the subject. Some funds are very specific and you might suddenly find that you fit in with their regulations. Also commercial corporations can sponsor music and art. I found a good partner here locally that teamed up with me because we both work along the same philosophy. I make music while they educate organisational leaders; we both have to be extremely clear about our output but at the same time being prepared to throw it all away and start over from scratch. In (improvised) music and business you never know what tomorrow will look like or if your "best darlings" will even be usable in a future situation. Nothing is automatically in the loop since we are only players and do not control all the delete buttons. But as networking (musically or business-wise) humans we will always create new buildings, whatever happens to the one we're presently occupying. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:53:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22JfRd26568; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:41:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:41:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gaNYeuc3z2LIEcKCnhuGlAXJCRBtNFDZZ1npDWqsHSBieaCF0PIzeVGQ/3eZgQu13u3UCCmGssA/xwyjYo3BQZ8h1MePqZZ4wSXPrNJsAzeJRlVEkMnt7MAmdrn8BZWBZ187VnugYPzSn8N/Ebo+1XKRtD1tci6Qc8buFOWnxvg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:39:54 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) In-Reply-To: <20050302192500.33826.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20050302192500.33826.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember that Rocktron used to boast of their gapless switching, starting with the Intellifex. I never ran mine 100% wet, so I don't recall how effective it was. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 14:53:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22JmZP28110; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Adrenalinn and GAS (was RE: Behringer Virtualizer) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:48:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUfTaa4i+Q+dA80RneyRaDJCRqyiQAALf/wAAL8isAAAF/0cAABDh4g In-Reply-To: <200503021919.j22JJ4x22990@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <20050302194805.RDGN13104.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Adrenalinn is purty deep--I am still waiting for inspiration to strike as to how to best utilize that pup--it's so tiny! And it's MIDI! Clock in and out! I still have an SPX-90 that I put to work occasionally--do we assume that the reverbs are any better on that unit than the Behringer? I have no idea--somebody tell me! Gary PS Next to go on the LD GAS list--a MC-505 I bought on the advise of Goddess (now visiting New York and off this list, but says hi to Markie), that I tried and failed to integrate into the old pile o' gear . . . G -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer Virtualizer (was RE: Best for looping live) What would you expect from somebody with a Boss VF-1, a TC Fireworx and once an Adrenalinn (glowing reports?) they function but, the sounds it produces do nothing for me (again what would you expect?) I will sell mine for $70 (paypal only) shipped (USA lower 48) too bad I threw the box out a month or so back basically it is unused. Contact me off list. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer Virtualizer (was RE: Best for looping live) Funny you should ask: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Free shipping! I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up properly. Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack. I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 15:02:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22Jt1G29360; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8065aaf92a23cd573ef04ec524d8f73d@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Steve Lawson "Grace and Gratitude" CD Review Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:54:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 2, 2005, at 18:04, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all! > > On one of the occasions that I bumped into him at the NAMM show back > in January I managed to wheedle a copy of Steve's latest CD "Grace and > Gratitude" out of him. 8< 8< 8 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ........ Hi Ted and all, Glad you found out about that CD, Ted! I too bought "Grace and Gratitude" and I liked it so much that I posted a review at CD Baby. Here it is: ------------------------- A beautiful record! It's named Grace And Gratitude and to me it just sounds like that. (Reviewer: Per Boysen) This is a record I liked very much from the first time I downloaded some mp3's from Steve Lawsons site. I just had to buy the record and I'm so happy I did, because it's not easy to find ambient music with that kind of soul. Some other stuff I have been listening to, that Grace And Gratitude brings to my mind, are Wheather Report (especially Jaco Pastorious' wonderful tone, like in the opening and closing melody of "A Remark You Made" from Heavy Wheather), Paul Bley (the "silent" stuff he recorded with Jimmie Giuffrey and Bill Connors) and finally "Hearing Solar Winds" with David Hykes and his Harmonic Choir. Hmmm.. eventually a little Durutti Column as well. If any of these releases ring a bell with you I can assure you that you will love this disk. Chances are you will anyway! ------------------------- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 15:06:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22JwC430014; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:58:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:58:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503021957.j22Jv2x29633@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn and GAS (was RE: Behringer Virtualizer) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:57:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050302194805.RDGN13104.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUfTaa4i+Q+dA80RneyRaDJCRqyiQAALf/wAAL8isAAAF/0cAABDh4gAABlYcA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Adrenalinn: Yeah I sold mine and some MIDI guitar gear to get the TC Fireworx (love it but, slow on the Patch changes so I use bypass instead) I will eventually get another perhaps they will build that much requested rack version (yet) by the time I get around to that (They are excelent) -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Adrenalinn and GAS (was RE: Behringer Virtualizer) The Adrenalinn is purty deep--I am still waiting for inspiration to strike as to how to best utilize that pup--it's so tiny! And it's MIDI! Clock in and out! I still have an SPX-90 that I put to work occasionally--do we assume that the reverbs are any better on that unit than the Behringer? I have no idea--somebody tell me! Gary PS Next to go on the LD GAS list--a MC-505 I bought on the advise of Goddess (now visiting New York and off this list, but says hi to Markie), that I tried and failed to integrate into the old pile o' gear . . . G -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer Virtualizer (was RE: Best for looping live) What would you expect from somebody with a Boss VF-1, a TC Fireworx and once an Adrenalinn (glowing reports?) they function but, the sounds it produces do nothing for me (again what would you expect?) I will sell mine for $70 (paypal only) shipped (USA lower 48) too bad I threw the box out a month or so back basically it is unused. Contact me off list. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer Virtualizer (was RE: Best for looping live) Funny you should ask: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350 &rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Free shipping! I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up properly. Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack. I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 15:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22KQed03736; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:26:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422620AF.4040301@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:23:11 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) References: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In '98 I searched far and wide to find a seamless patch-change guitar processor. I finally bought a Zoom 8080, which I still use. The patch changes are seamless *IF* the patch you change from *AND* the one you change to both have an active delay effect. The delay from patch 1 carries over into patch 2. It's not a perfect solution but it's liveable and addresses a problem that most effect processor mfgs seem to ignore. Dennis Gary Lehmann wrote: >Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well-- >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] >Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 > >Brian > >even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop >out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of >effect routing > >Claude > > > >>I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing >>about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. >>I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this >>delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if >>this is still an issue with the GNX4? >> >>DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches? >> >>Brian >> >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 15:40:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22KaP305694; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.69] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200503022000.j22K0m69082207@lists.meer.net> From: "samba -" Subject: RE: Emusic Digest, Vol 7, Issue 1 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:35:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2005 20:36:01.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[727E0080:01C51F67] Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com    1. For any ladies on the list... (Wayne Jackson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: Wayne Jackson Subject: [Emusic] For any ladies on the list... To: emusic@candiru.com Message-ID: <20050302032636.55789.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Women Take Back The Noise call for submissions to be released by UBUIBI ubuibi.org/wtbtn * * * * * * * * * * * * * the 'women take back the noise' compilation project will be a compendium of projects by women who experiment with various difficult sound mediums such as noise, machine-noise, laptop, glitch, cut-up and other related genres. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 15:43:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22Kd7I06305; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:39:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:39:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050302200144.02b4a590@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:36:59 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Behringer Virtualizer In-Reply-To: <200503021946.j22JkYO27675@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503021946.j22JkYO27675@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is >anybody using one of these puppies? Like it? hate it? useful? make screwy >noise? I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled. >heh. got G.A.S. ?? There's a Virtualizer which is is reverb + ordinary stuff, and also a Virtualizer Pro DSP2024P which also includes a number of less common effects:- There's a 5s stereo delay with (up to ) 100% feedback, with individual delay time control for L&R channels. (this is very good quality) A bad vocoder, which is redeemed by the fact it has a noise generator. A sub-bass generator which tracks fairly well. also distortions, dub-delay, ring-mod, all sorts of dynamic FX, tremolo with variable waveform, some filters. Probably worth the effort if you need a 5s delay, or just like fiddling around to find new sounds. ...and the reverb is good at that price. If you really want something fun for very little money, to fill that rack space, go for the MAM Resonator 3, (triple filter with LFOs and envelope following) . andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 15:49:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22Khk007413; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:43:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42262500.4080603@neoprimitive.net> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:41:36 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) References: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> <422620AF.4040301@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <422620AF.4040301@speakeasy.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a9fca188e9fb1e05142c4a19d5716ff8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The way I understand it, the problem with this "seamless" patch changing operation is that it would mean having two effects processors in one box, but only using one at a time. Which is a waste of money and parts ~99% of the time. The only time both would be used is when you're switching between patches and you want the effect tails to carry over. That said, I do remember hearing, a long time ago, about a processor that did it. However, I can't recall the make or model. -J Dennis Montgomery wrote: > > In '98 I searched far and wide to find a seamless patch-change guitar > processor. I finally bought a Zoom 8080, which I still use. The patch > changes are seamless *IF* the patch you change from *AND* the one you > change to both have an active delay effect. The delay from patch 1 > carries over into patch 2. It's not a perfect solution but it's > liveable and addresses a problem that most effect processor mfgs seem to > ignore. > > Dennis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 16:01:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22Kub609362; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:56:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:56:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422628D7.1020708@sep.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:57:59 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) References: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> <422620AF.4040301@speakeasy.net> <42262500.4080603@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <42262500.4080603@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0yHUQC.A.MPC.BhiJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the GNX3. You can run it in stompbox mode - there is no perceivable delay with effects on/off changes made within a patch. They have a neat control footswitch that can be assigned to automatically change 3 parameters simultaneously. A lot can be made of that feature. But, yes, patch to patch changes are a little gappy. Jesse Lucas wrote: > The way I understand it, the problem with this "seamless" patch changing > operation is that it would mean having two effects processors in one > box, but only using one at a time. Which is a waste of money and parts > ~99% of the time. > > The only time both would be used is when you're switching between > patches and you want the effect tails to carry over. > > That said, I do remember hearing, a long time ago, about a processor > that did it. However, I can't recall the make or model. > > -J > > > > Dennis Montgomery wrote: > >> >> In '98 I searched far and wide to find a seamless patch-change guitar >> processor. I finally bought a Zoom 8080, which I still use. The >> patch changes are seamless *IF* the patch you change from *AND* the >> one you change to both have an active delay effect. The delay from >> patch 1 carries over into patch 2. It's not a perfect solution but >> it's liveable and addresses a problem that most effect processor mfgs >> seem to ignore. >> >> Dennis >> > > -- Tom Combs SEP, Inc. 11611 N Meridian Street Suite 800 Carmel, IN 46032 (317) 843-1640 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 16:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22LkMl16518; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:46:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:46:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c51f71$34fe6560$71ea5e44@Tower1> From: "Jim Palmer" To: References: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> <422620AF.4040301@speakeasy.net> <42262500.4080603@neoprimitive.net> Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:45:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <9rdcN.A.HBE.VQjJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...still an issue with the GNX4? sadly the gnx-4 also does this. there are two distinctly different artifacts, which people often seem to confuse, that result from patch switching in guitar processors. brians question, which started this thread, has to do with modeling processors, which use microprossers to model amplifiers,preamps,etc. on all the modeling processors i've used (pod, gnx-3, gnx-4) there is a gap during patch changes while the amp model is reconfigured. no sound is output during this gap, and the sound is gated hard on both ends, which is quite disconcerting. the gnx-3 has a gap of ~100ms. a dual processor approach could fix this, but i don't know of any devices that do. stompbox mode in the gnx series allows you to turn single effects on and off. this works quite well, but obviously you can't switch amp models with it. you can switch amp models by morphing, but it's not as simple or convenient as changing patches. the sansamp units switch instantly, but i think they belong to a different category. most programmable tube preamps without built-in effects switch seamlessly. the other artifact is the stopping of time-based effects (reverb, delay, resonant filters, etc) while switching effects algorithms. there is no gap, just an audible stopping of the natural decay of the previous effects. this can be fixed by clever programming or dual processors. the digitech 2101se does this quite well. note that the preamp path of this unit is analog, so there is no gap between patches, even when using more than one processor per patch for effects. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 17:05:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22LxfR18841; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HIg17sCjKf8TskV9dVHeQbn0bYmrLOVlPnv06FmyUxuA9T3TJb+oqRAEoXxhbrBPgalfhafNIbPyNG/hfubSyX1tAoBTudIN1aNiI8M62/L8PzXndr5y3cNelwJdSlaEJ7sfzW21mHXsGsUaYmlCi/6WdCnKK1ngtBe7eguUSsQ= ; Message-ID: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:57:56 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: more USB interface woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1664629359-1109800676=:41948" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1664629359-1109800676=:41948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my Tascam USB audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few seconds, and that's when I'm playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive. Can't imagine what it would do if I actually tested it with some decent system usage. I bought a PCMCIA USB2 card thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem? I found a trojan and 185 spyware programs on my computer, which were apparently causing it to run like molasses, but after deleting them all, the USB audio signal seems no better. What about those PCMCIA audio interfaces? Do you think one of those would fix the problem? Any help would be super. -Devin --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-1664629359-1109800676=:41948 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my Tascam USB audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few seconds, and that's when I'm playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive. Can't imagine what it would do if I actually tested it with some decent system usage. I bought a PCMCIA USB2 card thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem?
I found a trojan and 185 spyware programs on my computer, which were apparently causing it to run like molasses, but after deleting them all, the USB audio signal seems no better.
What about those PCMCIA audio interfaces? Do you think one of those would fix the problem? Any help would be super.
-Devin


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Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-1664629359-1109800676=:41948-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 17:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22M7LG20006; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:07:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:07:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BEWvuM118MjWVnctl/kObODsDpzuyMZA8zth9XxgzcXkb3X/m0GFZbprOLUcaHaRipUllpCA4wu9jRhh2PVmm6UldxLwzbLhnAvsT3BESCDSNw7QDe07EEJrJRZdlwt5u+P2auMeCpydlB6WhB7XAA6GS/ySQ04rNk7ACy89O48= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:05:53 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more USB interface woes In-Reply-To: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a laptop, right? The tricky thing about laptops is that the driving design considerations are small size, low weight and low power consumption. Unfortunately, addressing those concerns often means you take a hit on uninterrupted throughput. For most people, who aren't doing any sort of audio work, it doesn't matter if there's a few hiccups in their USB throughput. This may not be your problem in this instance, but it's something to take into consideration for laptop audio. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:57:56 -0800 (PST), Devin Smith wrote: > Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my Tascam USB > audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few seconds, and that's > when I'm playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 18:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22NNwv30366; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:23:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.32c1cf72.2f57a4e4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:23:16 EST Subject: Re: more USB interface woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <7t9dVD.A.BZH.wrkJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/2/05 1:58:35 PM, dvidedevo@yahoo.com writes: << thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem? >> My understanding is that for serious audio 500megs of ram is a good minimum From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 18:29:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j22NRBK31673; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:27:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.3626468c.2f57a59c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:26:20 EST Subject: Re: more USB interface woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/2/05 1:58:35 PM, dvidedevo@yahoo.com writes: << thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem? >> Sorry, I bumped my mouse. My understanding is that 500 megs of ram is just a decent minimum for serious audio, the more the better. Then again, if you are merely playing an mp3 file then that does not seem like it should be a problem. Is there a driver that can be updated or reinstalled and reconfigured? BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 20:00:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j230ugH14582; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:56:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200503021740.j22HeZx00560@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503021740.j22HeZx00560@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0FF9B29B-8B7F-11D9-9511-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Best for looping live Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:56:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't buy a virtualizer they are crap, buy anything else but not that! they really are terrible. geoff On 2 Mar 2005, at 17:40, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great > but, > they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other > effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner > somewhere. > > ________________________________ > > From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Best for looping live > I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is > anybody using one of these puppies? Like it? hate it? useful? make > screwy > noise? I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be > filled. > heh. got G.A.S. ?? > > Tony > > Subject: Re: Best for looping live > > > > In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com > writes: > > > > > bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20 > yesterday form Guitar Center. I played some last night > > > > > mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael > > > Jeff Williams Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 2 23:36:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j234WfE16325; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:32:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:26:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: more USB interface woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <80fGgB.A.C1D.hMpJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:57 PM -0800 3/2/05, Devin Smith wrote: >Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my >Tascam USB audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few >seconds I'm just speculating, because I don't have a USB interface, but is there a setting for audio buffer size? If so, try increasing it. This will increase the latency but it may eliminate the dropouts. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 01:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2365tS31580; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E86E39F-8BAA-11D9-B60A-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: EDP Glitches? Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:05:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I borrowed a buddies EDP and since I got it, it has been getting glitches in the loop. He never really used the EDP so it has not been beat up on the road or anything. Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes. If any one has any ideas I would love to hear them. Below is a link to a sample of the problem in two of my tests with very different content. http://www.venetowest.com/EDPglitches.mp3 Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 01:53:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j236oGh03835; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:50:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:50:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=di+eypMsfT+K3KWHHcIyUIC5J/HC8kRmyRxfJlo5cI3nRN6djf6y74Jh833M5FfGdZxAfdbQ82jyV5k+lyVa0eqo5uFeTOSe8ShJLwji49cR5YLsV7T4qeg0Y3EcTFbWUaDE/xHmwJGmvjbNgw6TUkZraO8aeA5QB6jd8TXVwJ8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:49:22 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? In-Reply-To: <3E86E39F-8BAA-11D9-B60A-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> <3E86E39F-8BAA-11D9-B60A-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The quick end-user troubleshoot move is to reseat the memory, or try known-good memory. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:05:29 -0800, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with > Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the > EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not > on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so > it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been > playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 06:30:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23BNUX00828; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:23:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:23:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:22:21 -0500 From: "Matthew Pierce" Subject: Selling my Echoplex To: Message-id: <001301c51fe3$44310e30$6401a8c0@seedmusic> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4226F36D62E3=======" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=======AVGMAIL-4226F36D62E3======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C51FB9.5B4A3D50" ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C51FB9.5B4A3D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before I put this up on ebay I thought I'd offer it to you fine people. 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Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 --=======AVGMAIL-4226F36D62E3=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 06:37:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23BZZM03046; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:35:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:35:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050303112724.02b73a70@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:33:21 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: more USB interface woes In-Reply-To: <200503030653.j236rT804496@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503030653.j236rT804496@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3VkGOC.A.et.vZvJCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem? sorry, don't remember if you mentioned the platform. If you're on WinXP then 256Mb is bare minimum. Win 98 will be happy with 128mb. (but still add more if you can) Best to check what you have running in the background, for instance any memory management programs will cause problems. Hopefully, if you're on mac, someone else here can help andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 07:29:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23CQil10736; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:26:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:26:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050303120704.02b587d0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:24:36 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Best for looping live Virtualizer In-Reply-To: <200503030653.j236rT804496@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503030653.j236rT804496@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Don't buy a virtualizer they are crap, buy anything else but not that! >they really are terrible. >geoff yes, but that's not the point :-) I used the Virtualizer Pro to create a set of pseudo drum machine sounds by modifying the output of my guitar. http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3 On that track, the sub-bass and the ping-pong echo on the guitar solo are Virtualizer as well. I didn't use the Virtualizer distortions though. They're crap :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 08:46:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23DhcP20875; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:43:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:43:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42271511.4070803@sep.com> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:45:53 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) References: <20050302190819.TNCS4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> <422620AF.4040301@speakeasy.net> <42262500.4080603@neoprimitive.net> <006a01c51f71$34fe6560$71ea5e44@Tower1> In-Reply-To: <006a01c51f71$34fe6560$71ea5e44@Tower1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can indeed switch amp models within a patch. either using the green/red amp footswitch or, I believe, using the control footswitch. I've never noticed much of a gap when changing amp models within a patch. Jim Palmer wrote: >> ...still an issue with the GNX4? > > > sadly the gnx-4 also does this. > > there are two distinctly different artifacts, which people often seem to > confuse, > that result from patch switching in guitar processors. brians question, > which started this thread, has to do with modeling processors, which use > microprossers to model amplifiers,preamps,etc. on all the modeling > processors i've used (pod, gnx-3, gnx-4) there is a gap during patch > changes while the amp model is reconfigured. no sound is output during > this gap, and the sound is gated hard on both ends, which is quite > disconcerting. the gnx-3 has a gap of ~100ms. a dual processor > approach could fix this, but i don't know of any devices that do. > stompbox mode in the gnx series allows you to turn single effects on and > off. this works quite well, but obviously you can't switch amp models > with it. you can switch amp models by morphing, but it's not as simple > or convenient as changing patches. > > the sansamp units switch instantly, but i think they belong to a > different category. most programmable tube preamps without built-in > effects switch seamlessly. > > the other artifact is the stopping of time-based effects (reverb, delay, > resonant filters, etc) while switching effects algorithms. there is no > gap, just an audible stopping of the natural decay of the previous > effects. this can be fixed by clever programming or dual processors. > the digitech 2101se does this quite well. note that the preamp path of > this unit is analog, so there is no gap between patches, even when using > more than one processor per patch for effects. > > > -- Tom Combs SEP, Inc. 11611 N Meridian Street Suite 800 Carmel, IN 46032 (317) 843-1640 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 09:29:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23EPkY32394; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:25:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:25:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1A26C24B-8BF0-11D9-AADC-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: geoff smith Subject: edp for sale Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:25:33 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to add shameless edp selling ..... mines still for sale as guy who was gonna buy it was robbed and lost 2grands worth of gear harsh! anyway its full memory, loop4 software and footswitch (although record button on footswitch needs replacing as its unreliable) apart from that its perfect! and lovingly cared for will email pictures to anyone interested. 450 quid! england devon cheers geoff Jeff Williams Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 09:41:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Ebld01942; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:37:01 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) To: Claude Voit , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006b01c51ffe$9f053500$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001901c51f55$abc98880$0100a8c0@mini> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop > out > so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of > effect routing I just reviewed the Boss GT-8 for Guitar One magazine (and I've been using the GT-3 for several years now). Not only is there no dropout between patches on all GT series multi-fx pedals, the GT-8 and GT-Pro (a rack-mount unit - more on it in a second) feature a kind of "ambient effects overlap" (I can't remember what Boss calls it) where delays and reverbs continue to regenerate at the pre-existing settings when changing to a new patch. I'm very disappointed in how Boss tends to market the GT series, stuffing it into the amp modeling/vintage effects girdle when it is capable of so many beautifully radical and unconventional sounds. It would be like marketing an analog synth as a great "orchestral instrument simulator." Granted, it does sound awesome when you call up those over-the-top metal patches, "tweed" amps and 60s fuzzboxes. And the new dual parallel amp structure makes for some great expressive tones. BUT it is capable of so much more: the single note synth effect and ring modulator is Mini-Moog/Arp-aliscious, the sheer quantity and quality of effects is excellent and the range and quantity of adjustable parameters within any one effect will keep you on your hands and knees, scrolling through tiny menus for years. (Which is what I've been doing with the GT-3.) Now Boss is offering the GT-Pro ($999 list, maybe $750 street) a rack-mount version of the GT-8 with even more goodies (THREE external in/out points! FIFTEEN effects at once! FOUR outs including XLR outs! 24-bit coaxial out!) It should be available in April - the nice people at Boss have told me - and to quote the punchline to a joke from elementary school days, "Me first on line!" No, I don't work for Boss, and I pay for their gear just like any other schlub. But as a gear reviewer, I get to check out a lot of competetive units. I understand the marketing niches that other manufacturers are aiming for, but for my money, Boss rules when it comes to sheer tone-mangling and extreme custom patch creation. Folks who are considering units like the Orville, Eclipse, etc. might want to look at/listen to the GT-Pro. In April. After I get mine. First. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 10:43:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23FcV613966; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:38:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:38:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c52006$dcf7ff20$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <42262500.4080603@neoprimitive.net> Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:32:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) > The way I understand it, the problem with this "seamless" patch changing > operation is that it would mean having two effects processors in one box, > but only using one at a time. Which is a waste of money and parts ~99% of > the time. Right, and you would have to know which two patches you wanted to use. My RP2000 has 4 patches available at for each bank, so it would have to be able to store all 4. It's not bad with the patch changing gap, I had to get good at timing it a little early. One thing I've done with it is it will let me use the switches to turn on/off individual effects and not a whole patch. that seems to be much more seamless. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 11:53:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Gnw727794; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14354893.1109868543691.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:49:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, oddly enough, I have experienced no dropout with my cheap little Zoom 505 (which is a powerful source of deranged tones if you take the time to program it). I have no idea why not, but I am grateful. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Sent: Mar 2, 2005 2:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4) Well, for a while the Digitech series of processors (I'm speaking specifially of the 2120 but I think it applied to others) had seamless patch changes. It was a dual processor idea and if you were using an effect that used one processor, you could switch seamlessly to another single processor effect. I guess they ditched that idea now eh. Kevin > Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well-- > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 > > Brian > > even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop > out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of > effect routing > > Claude > > >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing > >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. > >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this > >delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if > >this is still an issue with the GNX4? > > > > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches? > > > > Brian > > > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:02:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Hvxd05000; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <329916e7308cca8b587e075ea68380f0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: new loop pedal Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:00:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e2654f94c2ec64d39da7000b70dd22be57186666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 151.204.197.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.backline-eng.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:13:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23IAME07490; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:10:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422752EF.2090505@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:09:51 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop pedal References: <329916e7308cca8b587e075ea68380f0@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <329916e7308cca8b587e075ea68380f0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Bty5.A.LzB.xL1JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If this works as advertised, sweet! Features, size and cost are attractive. Does remind me of the launch of the Repeater, what was the lag time between announcement and release? NG Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > http://www.backline-eng.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:35:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23ITml13172; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:29:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:29:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <422752EF.2090505@comcast.net> References: <329916e7308cca8b587e075ea68380f0@mindspring.com> <422752EF.2090505@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: New free looping software: Musolomo Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:29:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's been out for some weeks now but since I didn't see any post in that here I'm sending the URL to the list: http://www.plasq.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:43:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23IceW16338; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:38:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:38:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:44:54 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Talent Wanted To: Message-id: <001701c52021$17c01100$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3f067655c8a95263ef57dffab16431e2@igmbergen.no> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was sent this, and I thought others here would be interested in participating in this event. I don't know anything about it, so I suggest you do some due diligence on it to check it out. Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:15:10 +0100 From: Eric Snelders Subject: talent wanted .. Hi All As you may know the 11th Alfa Centauri EM Festival will take place on April 2 in theater Graaf Wichman in Huizen, the Netherlands. Besides the 4 concerts (Jonn Serrie, Wave World, Jason Corder and Dom F Scab) on the main stage, there will also be a separate stage called the 'electric cafe'. This stage is available for promising talent (group, artist), prepared to do a modest performance. This is a unique opportunity for (starting) EM artists to present themselves for an EM audience. For more information please contact: events@quantumproductions.nl or look at www.alfacentauri.nl best wishes Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:47:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Ij0p18809; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:45:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:51:14 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? To: Message-id: <003601c52021$fa5dfb80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> <3E86E39F-8BAA-11D9-B60A-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do the glitches match when you press a button? If so, could it be a static-charge release when some contact is made? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronan Chris Murphy" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: EDP Glitches? > I borrowed a buddies EDP and since I got it, it has been getting > glitches in the loop. He never really used the EDP so it has not been > beat up on the road or anything. > > Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with > Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the > EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not > on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so > it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been > playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes. > > If any one has any ideas I would love to hear them. Below is a link to > a sample of the problem in two of my tests with very different content. > > http://www.venetowest.com/EDPglitches.mp3 > > > > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:53:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23IoNZ20016; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:50:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <003601c52021$fa5dfb80$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20050302215756.45467.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> <3E86E39F-8BAA-11D9-B60A-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> <003601c52021$fa5dfb80$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A9155F6-8C15-11D9-B5F8-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:50:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 3, 2005, at 10:51 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Do the glitches match when you press a button? If so, could it be a > static-charge release when some contact is made? > > No it is not initiated by any action on my part. Happens with or without pedal. I got good suggestion to clean and reseat the memory which I will try today. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:58:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23IrVU20743; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:53:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <3E86E39F-8BAA-11D9-B60A-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Glitches? Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:52:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2005 18:53:02.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[39E234B0:01C52022] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi ronan first thing to say is dont woory too much. im my experiances the edp is a glitchy but resiliant unit, it messes up quite a lot but the problems are nearly always fixable without tech help. if the glitch that you are talking about is a loud noise that happens NOT on the output of the direct signal and NOT when the unit is played through but without a loop actuve, but DOES glitch when you make a loop, even when there is no instrument level going to the input. I think i know what might be up its the D-A convesion of the signal where the loop rejoins the input on the output path. this can be solved by opening up the unit after discharging satic from yourself and the unit (look on the web if you dont know the procedures to acomplish this) then look inside for the large square grey/black block on the bottom left of the board. press firmly but carefully on the side square (the outside is the houseing) do this in a very quiet place and listen for a pinging combing sound this is the feet of the chip relocating into place. hope this works for you, did for me!! just to mantion though, no comebacks, do at your own risk! but it is easy to do and low risk in my opinion. Phill >From: Ronan Chris Murphy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: EDP Glitches? >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:05:29 -0800 > >I borrowed a buddies EDP and since I got it, it has been getting glitches >in the loop. He never really used the EDP so it has not been beat up on the >road or anything. > >Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with Loop4? I >have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the EDP >generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not on >output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so it is >not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been playing for >at least 5 or 10 minutes. > >If any one has any ideas I would love to hear them. Below is a link to a >sample of the problem in two of my tests with very different content. > >http://www.venetowest.com/EDPglitches.mp3 > > > > >Ronan Chris Murphy >www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve >Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) >www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art >and craft of recording ) >www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 13:58:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23IvDu21812; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:57:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:57:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LeTt6UbtLfAiR1n6fUdQZrPO0gz3bRo6pm2u6DZcGJeXAsvSc6eFX5oX5UGU/PCNNqtL+eQaVcIm5LKGiJorWTgzwmE56R9lq/JoFQf8q+ztvSupKmaIRjRjFshtWj2FF9+43IOTyNC3dDn6ICZXUPZ1xddMTkvn88odr6PpovQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:56:45 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop pedal In-Reply-To: <422752EF.2090505@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <329916e7308cca8b587e075ea68380f0@mindspring.com> <422752EF.2090505@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About a year. As I recall, it was announced at one NAMM and didn't end up shipping until the next one. On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:09:51 -0800, Neil Goldstein wrote: > If this works as advertised, sweet! Features, size and cost are attractive. > > Does remind me of the launch of the Repeater, what was the lag time > between announcement and release? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:10:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23J7dj26365; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:07:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:07:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4227607A.3090504@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:07:38 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d0871596a15e3be254d4cfd724790716350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pouring coffee in my EDP always works to fix up whatever is wrong with it on any given day. You might want to try that first. -J phill wilson wrote: > Hi ronan > > first thing to say is dont woory too much. > > im my experiances the edp is a glitchy but resiliant unit, it messes up > quite a lot but the problems are nearly always fixable without tech help. > > if the glitch that you are talking about is a loud noise that happens > NOT on the output of the direct signal and NOT when the unit is played > through but without a loop actuve, but DOES glitch when you make a loop, > even when there is no instrument level going to the input. I think i > know what might be up > > its the D-A convesion of the signal where the loop rejoins the input on > the output path. > > this can be solved by opening up the unit after discharging satic from > yourself and the unit (look on the web if you dont know the procedures > to acomplish this) then look inside for the large square grey/black > block on the bottom left of the board. press firmly but carefully on the > side square (the outside is the houseing) do this in a very quiet place > and listen for a pinging combing sound this is the feet of the chip > relocating into place. > > hope this works for you, did for me!! > > just to mantion though, no comebacks, do at your own risk! but it is > easy to do and low risk in my opinion. > > Phill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:17:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23JDw130110; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:12:32 EST Subject: Re: new loop pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <5D7Yu.A.VKH.pG2JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/05 12:58:22 PM, pmimlitsch@mindspring.com writes: > http://www.backline-eng.com/ > sounds like there's voodoo involved with this pedal....."things will change and you don't even need to press a button".....wonderful! --part1_158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/3/05 12:58:22 PM, pmimlitsch@mindspring.com writes:


http://www.backline-eng.com/


sounds like there's voodoo involved with this pedal....."things will change=20= and you don't even need to press a button".....wonderful!
--part1_158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:19:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23JFPD31194; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:15:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:15:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <4227607A.3090504@neoprimitive.net> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:14:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2005 19:15:00.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B8F79E0:01C52025] Resent-Message-ID: <9Dfqd.A.xlH.6I2JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just re-read my post carefully on the side square (the outside is the houseing) do this in a very quiet place and listen for a pinging combing sound this is the feet of the I MEANT TO SAY INSIDE SQUARE not side square Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:42:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23JcgI04804; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.58c20539.2f58bf4a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:28:10 EST Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12c.58c20539.2f58bf4a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <6rLi5D.A.uHB.ue2JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12c.58c20539.2f58bf4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could not agree with you more! The GT-8 is mind blowing. Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is possible. Bill --part1_12c.58c20539.2f58bf4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could not agree with you more!
The GT-8 is mind blowing.
Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is possi= ble.


Bill
--part1_12c.58c20539.2f58bf4a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Ji6806796; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:44:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:44:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:43:36 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: new loop pedal In-reply-to: <158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <422768E8.3080405@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > sounds like there's voodoo involved with this pedal....."things will > change and you don't even need to press a button".....wonderful!* From what I've read, this doesn't sound especially complicated, though they certainly like to boast about this "patent pending" technology. You set a threshold and what amounts to a beat count. Samples that exceed the threshold are considered beats. Keep a running average of the time between beats. Stop when the preprogrammed number of beats has been reached. This is not unlike what a drum machine does to determine the tempo from a stream of MIDI clocks, though it's harder of course to accurately determine where the audio beats are. I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space between the notes it should do a pretty good job. But this isn't going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to The Black Page. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Jru810212; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:53:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:53:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42276BD9.4050302@sep.com> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:56:09 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop pedal References: <158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0@aol.com> <422768E8.3080405@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <422768E8.3080405@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was kind of what I was thinking. The fact that it's marketed as "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box. I'm sure it isn't designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically. Jeff Larson wrote: > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > sounds like there's voodoo involved with this pedal....."things will > > change and you don't even need to press a button".....wonderful!* > > From what I've read, this doesn't sound especially complicated, though > they certainly like to boast about this "patent pending" technology. > > You set a threshold and what amounts to a beat count. Samples > that exceed the threshold are considered beats. Keep a running > average of the time between beats. Stop when the preprogrammed > number of beats has been reached. This is not unlike what a drum > machine does to determine the tempo from a stream of MIDI clocks, > though it's harder of course to accurately determine where the > audio beats are. > > I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space > between the notes it should do a pretty good job. But this isn't > going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to > The Black Page. > > Jeff > > -- Tom Combs SEP, Inc. 11611 N Meridian Street Suite 800 Carmel, IN 46032 (317) 843-1640 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:58:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Jt7910432; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:55:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050303192727.40013.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New free looping software: Musolomo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the audio demo by a band called "Ra" on the site. I can't vouch for the software but the music is great. I'm buying the album on CDbaby right now! Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > It's been out for some weeks now but since I didn't > see any post in > that here I'm sending the URL to the list: > http://www.plasq.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 14:58:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23JtFK10475; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:55:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:55:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1109879691.42276b8bea0d3@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:54:51 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop pedal References: <158.4bbbadab.2f58bba0@aol.com> <422768E8.3080405@sun.com> <42276BD9.4050302@sep.com> In-Reply-To: <42276BD9.4050302@sep.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.89.160.22 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe someone should pop an email over to the website and invite them to join the group? ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting Tom Combs : > That was kind of what I was thinking. The fact that it's marketed as > "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box. I'm sure it isn't > designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 15:19:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23KHQo16822; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503032016.j23KGVx16484@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: new loop pedal Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:16:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <1109879691.42276b8bea0d3@www.michaelplishka.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUgKyxeu2LcSOYLRVaqmAwYLSEpIAAAlQ5w Resent-Message-ID: <-SqhnD.A.1BE.fC3JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems to lack any features that I want but, I do own an EDP and am hoping Mobius will be the next phase for me. To me it seems more like a Boomerang and at the price there listing it would be worth it if you don't want any glitch capabilities. -----Original Message----- From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop pedal Maybe someone should pop an email over to the website and invite them to join the group? ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting Tom Combs : > That was kind of what I was thinking. The fact that it's marketed as > "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box. I'm sure it isn't > designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 15:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23KKnC17517; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:20:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c538cb767e2e6d09369b54106b878aed Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:19:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3qnhc.A.HOE.jF3JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The quick end-user troubleshoot move is to reseat the memory, or try >known-good memory. yes, memory is the most likely problem from what I hear. it would be interesting to know whether the clicks happen at: - cycle or loopend (-> SW/operation/sync/LED problem) - at Overdub press, rather a bump (-> input VCA offset, a trimmer) - anywhere, getting worse when FB slightly reduced (-> memory...) since you have 4 SIMMs of memory, but the machine also works with just two of them (in the two left slots) you can maybe find out which one causes the problem in some rare cases, its a worst case combination of SIMMs with big capacitive load that causes overcharges on a control line. this only happens with all 8 or 9 chip SIMMs. and it becomes worse when hot or when in BrotherSync. when very bad, it can cause crashes (amazing huh? that bug was really hard to find... :-). This can be fixed by replacing any one or two SIMMs (even with a 8chip one of another brand) or by adding a little capacitor of 22pF between pin 8 and 10 of DECLOOP PAL. >On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:05:29 -0800, Ronan Chris Murphy > wrote: > >> Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with >> Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the >> EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not >> on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so >> it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been >> playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes. > >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 16:13:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23LA3e27906; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:10:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050303210936.41033.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: new loop pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <422768E8.3080405@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it syncs to a MIDI clock and let's you do stereo loops of a pre defined length, I'm interested. Mark --- Jeff Larson wrote: > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > sounds like there's voodoo involved with this > pedal....."things will > > change and you don't even need to press a > button".....wonderful!* > > From what I've read, this doesn't sound especially > complicated, though > they certainly like to boast about this "patent > pending" technology. > > You set a threshold and what amounts to a beat > count. Samples > that exceed the threshold are considered beats. > Keep a running > average of the time between beats. Stop when the > preprogrammed > number of beats has been reached. This is not > unlike what a drum > machine does to determine the tempo from a stream of > MIDI clocks, > though it's harder of course to accurately determine > where the > audio beats are. > > I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately > with some space > between the notes it should do a pretty good job. > But this isn't > going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop > the intro to > The Black Page. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 16:35:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23LX3Q31369; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:33:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:39:27 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: new loop pedal To: Message-id: <000601c52039$7b57bf20$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200503032016.j23KGVx16484@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, maybe it's like a boomerang with MIDI control and trigger capabilities. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: RE: new loop pedal > It seems to lack any features that I want but, I do own an EDP and am hoping > Mobius will be the next phase for me. To me it seems more like a Boomerang > and at the price there listing it would be worth it if you don't want any > glitch capabilities. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new loop pedal > > Maybe someone should pop an email over to the website and invite them to > join the group? > > ~peace~ > > > Michael > > > www.michaelplishka.com > > Quoting Tom Combs : > > > That was kind of what I was thinking. The fact that it's marketed as > > "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box. I'm sure it isn't > > designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically. > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 16:39:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Lafj32118; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:43:03 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? To: Message-id: <000f01c52039$fb059940$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C52010.11B27200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C52010.11B27200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has been a Ronan Chris Murphy day! :-) =20 Willie Oteri Album With Some Well Known Players We're proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It = features some players whose names you may have heard! 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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C52010.11B27200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 16:55:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23LpT502111; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:51:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:51:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.70] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000601c52039$7b57bf20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop pedal Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:50:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2005 21:51:00.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[16A72820:01C5203B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What new loop pedal are y'all talking about ,all I've seen is re: new loop pedal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 16:56:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23Lrq403038; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:53:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:53:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:53:25 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: new loop pedal In-reply-to: <20050303210936.41033.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42278755.7070008@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050303210936.41033.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark sottilaro wrote: > If it syncs to a MIDI clock and let's you do stereo > loops of a pre defined length, I'm interested. It does stereo but I don't believe it syncs to MIDI clock or let you predefine loop length, at least not very well. I skimmed the manual, it says that the loop time can be defined with MIDI start (FA) and stop (FC) messages. But nowhere does it say that it responds to MIDI clocks. It will SEND them to a drum machine but it does not receive them. So if you were controlling this with a sequencer I would expect the sequencer and the loop to gradually go out of sync since they are not sharing the same clock. Setting the length with MIDI stop seems a bit odd anyway, if the goal is to have a sequencer and the looper be in sync, you'd have to start the sequencer again after you stopped it to define the loop length, I couldn't determine whether this second MIDI start will start the loop over again. Basically, they're either explaining this badly or it isn't going to work very well. You can also make it sync with an audio signal that is different than the main signal (e.g. a click track) but then you lose stereo. One channel is the sync signal, the other the main signal. But again this only defines the initial loop length, once defined it runs to it's own internal clock. It seems to be designed to control a drum machine/sequencer, not be controlled by one. Predefining loop length seems to be the antithesis of what this box is all about. It is supposed to figure out the loop length freeing you from pre defining it or setting it manually. You can set it up to end the loop by pressing the button a second time, but it still quantizes the actual end to what it thinks is the "beat". The only place I could see where you have absolute control over the loop length is with MIDI start/stop messages. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 17:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23M4D304757; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:04:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:04:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422789CA.5090708@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:03:54 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop pedal References: <20050303210936.41033.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <42278755.7070008@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <42278755.7070008@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's what I like about this box. It isn't a "me too" thing. It *appears* there is an extra focus on the triggering controls, so learning how diffent types of playing or instruments work best with a specific setting would be the thing. And their patch architecure looks intriguing. All of this meaning nothing if it wasn't stompbox sized. Not a replacement for EDP but an adjunct, I'm curious! NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 17:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j23MCQP05870; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:12:10 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: new loop pedal In-reply-to: <000601c52039$7b57bf20$0affff0a@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42278BBA.3030202@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200503032016.j23KGVx16484@hemlock.violacea.com> <000601c52039$7b57bf20$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <0e4K5D.A.8aB.1u4JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Well, maybe it's like a boomerang with MIDI control and trigger > capabilities. The most interesting thing to me are the many "operating modes" which define things like how many times to repeat the loop, when to apply feedback, when to do overdubs, when to start a new loop, all with very minimal footswitch taps. To draw a parallel with the EDP, it's roughly like having a sequence of footswitch presses performed automatically, with timing adjusted to the length of the loop. This can be convenient, but I'm guessing that it restricts you to a certain style of loop building, if you want to deviate from what it does you would have to select another mode and it isn't clear whether you can freely change modes while the loop is playing. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 20:09:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24175X29682; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=t94WdNSvV4QB4OGYwYIEKuj7pmTzJuaLcyraTZVZlQNv56S1oiu7qXbIqpxWsgY7pkWJ1iULIZsGbPXObLmONpGC6KLeYqvcdV6R+MQw9BtumzLTvAbe6M2lIuhTS88qPbHqhvJ3Aetnl+dSfb3rkR7S768zZeq+R4sXHYpGNbQ= ; Message-ID: <20050304010624.43958.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:06:24 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: new loop pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2EVECD.A.AOH.WS7JCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I kind of miss my Boomerang. I sold it a couple of years ago on eBay. Definitely fun and high on the ease-of-use scale. My only beef with it was the degredation of the sound quality as your loop goes on. =) Thoooose werrre theeee daayyyyyys... Mike --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Well, maybe it's like a boomerang with MIDI control > and trigger > capabilities. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Kroeger" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:16 PM > Subject: RE: new loop pedal > > > > It seems to lack any features that I want but, I > do own an EDP and am > hoping > > Mobius will be the next phase for me. To me it > seems more like a Boomerang > > and at the price there listing it would be worth > it if you don't want any > > glitch capabilities. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mike@michaelplishka.com > [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:55 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: new loop pedal > > > > Maybe someone should pop an email over to the > website and invite them to > > join the group? > > > > ~peace~ > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > > > > Quoting Tom Combs : > > > > > That was kind of what I was thinking. The fact > that it's marketed as > > > "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff > box. I'm sure it isn't > > > designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths > automatically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 3 23:57:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j244sCV29831; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:54:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:54:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:53:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: new loop pedal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1102210491==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1102210491==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:50 PM -0800 3/3/05, samba - wrote: >What new loop pedal are y'all talking about ,all I've seen is re: >new loop pedal http://www.backline-eng.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1102210491==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: new loop pedal
At 1:50 PM -0800 3/3/05, samba - wrote:
What new loop pedal are y'all talking about ,all I've seen is re: new loop pedal

http://www.backline-eng.com/
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--============_-1102210491==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 00:02:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j244xsY30707; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:59:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:59:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000f01c52039$fb059940$0affff0a@hppav> References: <000f01c52039$fb059940$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-608727243 Message-Id: <548D0AC6-8C6A-11D9-B5F8-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:00:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-608727243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed David, Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next month I am taking off to=20 Italy to do more work on Willie's new album, but the next album will=20 have looping on it!! (so this is not totally OT) Same King Crimson=20 rhythm section etc, but a very different album; more textural combining=20= a lot of my soundscapes style work. Speaking of going over to Italy, I will also be doing a little bit of=20 touring in North Italy with my looping/soundscapes project "Lives of=20 the Saints" for the last 3 weeks of April. If there is any one on this=20= list in North or Central Italy that wants to try and do some shows=20 together let me know. I have a few things lined up but would be=20 interested in a couple more. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,=20 Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the=20= art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &=20 Cher) On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:43 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > This has been a Ronan Chris Murphy day! :-)=A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > Willie Oteri Album With Some Well Known Players > =A0 > We're proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It=20 > features some players whose names you may have heard! > =A0 > Mike Keneally: Organ, Fender Rhodes; Tony Levin: Bass, Whistle; Pat=20 > Mastelotto: Drums; Ephram Zimolest Owens: Trumpet; Ronan Chris Murphy:=20= > Fender Rhodes; Willie Oteri: Guitar > =A0 > Review by Bruce Stringer > Produced, recorded and mixed by Ronan Chris Murphy, "Spiral Out" is an=20= > extension of the improvisational outings that made acts like John=20 > McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony Williams Lifetime, King=20 > Crimson and even Frank Zappa the uniquely memorable experience that=20 > made musical history. Whatever is in Willie Oteri's water, I think=20 > it's high time that it was poured into the two dimensional cesspool=20 > which is what some of the homogenized and pasteurized modern music=20 > industry has become today. Gone are the walls of conformity and the=20 > limitations of clich=E9d musical formats. What this stripped down=20 > skeleton of raw musical talent leaves us is pure musical spontaneity.=20= > This is pure back brain music with a brilliant cast. Tony Levin=20 > crosses the sound waves with skin maestro Pat Mastelotto and keys man=20= > Mike Keneally, all the while allowing Willie's guitar madness to take=20= > off and to subtly lay a musical platform for the Miles-esque trumpet=20= > of Ephraim Owens. Production genius, Murphy, is also released onto the=20= > recording with some Rhodes piano playing proving that music can once=20= > again allow the 'spirit of adventure' breathe through it. > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 --Apple-Mail-2-608727243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 David, Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next month I am taking off to Italy to do more work on Willie's new album, but the next album will have looping on it!! (so this is not totally OT) Same King Crimson rhythm section etc, but a very different album; more textural combining a lot of my soundscapes style work. Speaking of going over to Italy, I will also be doing a little bit of touring in North Italy with my looping/soundscapes project "Lives of the Saints" for the last 3 weeks of April. If there is any one on this list in North or Central Italy that wants to try and do some shows together let me know. I have a few things lined up but would be interested in a couple more. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:43 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: ArialThis has been a Ronan Chris Murphy day! = :-)=A0 Arial =A0 =A0 =A0 ArialWillie Oteri Album With Some Well Known = Players= =A0 ArialWe're proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It features some players whose names you may have = heard! =A0 ArialMike Keneally: Organ, Fender Rhodes; Tony Levin: Bass, Whistle; Pat Mastelotto: Drums; Ephram Zimolest Owens: Trumpet; Ronan Chris Murphy: Fender Rhodes; Willie Oteri: = Guitar =A0 ArialReview by Bruce = Stringer = ArialProd= uced, recorded and mixed by Ronan Chris = MurphyArial, "Spiral Out" is an extension of the improvisational outings that made acts like John McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony Williams Lifetime, King Crimson and even Frank Zappa the uniquely memorable experience that made musical history. Whatever is in Willie Oteri's water, I think it's high time that it was poured into the two dimensional cesspool which is what some of the homogenized and pasteurized modern music industry has become today. Gone are the walls of conformity and the limitations of clich=E9d musical formats. What this stripped down skeleton of raw musical talent leaves us is pure musical spontaneity. This is pure back brain music with a brilliant cast. Tony Levin crosses the sound waves with skin maestro Pat Mastelotto and keys man Mike Keneally, all the while allowing Willie's guitar madness to take off and to subtly lay a musical platform for the Miles-esque trumpet of Ephraim Owens. Production genius, Murphy, is also released onto the recording with some Rhodes piano playing proving that music can once again allow the 'spirit of adventure' breathe through = it. =A0 =A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-2-608727243-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 00:05:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2452xa31667; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-608900424 From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: EDP Glitches -Gone!! Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:03:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-608900424 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey Everyone, Thanks for all the advice (on the list and off). The problem was indeed with the memory. Using only two SIMMs I was able to swap out memory until the problem went away completely. I was able to run a loop for 4 hours with no problems. Much better than the usual 3-4 minutes I previously could get away with. Thanks RCM Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-4-608900424 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey Everyone, Thanks for all the advice (on the list and off). The problem was indeed with the memory. Using only two SIMMs I was able to swap out memory until the problem went away completely. I was able to run a loop for 4 hours with no problems. Much better than the usual 3-4 minutes I previously could get away with. Thanks RCM Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-4-608900424-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 02:20:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j247Gqi14097; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.42] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Help Finding Tapes Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:15:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2005 07:16:00.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[04780F80:01C5208A] Resent-Message-ID: <0QaTiD.A.gbD.3sAKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...do you mean the tape catridges used in the old echoplexes and Space Echos? If so, try Fulltone. They make a new tape delay and amnufacture their own replacement tape loop cartridges. Max >From: Old Hadley >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Help Finding Tapes >Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:33:57 -0800 > >Hello all. I'm in Los Angeles and I just went on an all day goose chase >looking for 12 minute loop tapes for use in a sculpture I'm building. Does >anyone know where I can find tapes in L.A. ?? >Thanks in advance, >Jason > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 03:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2485kD18957; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503040804.j2484ox18872@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "Woz" To: Subject: RE: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:04:19 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C520EC.FF4EEB60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <12c.58c20539.2f58bf4a@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUgKLD7WII4oZYTQuukhVzavNPI8AAZ3Q8A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C520EC.FF4EEB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there. The GT-6 seemed really promising and when you see what it can do on paper it's mind blowing but tone wise it seems to me to be quite awful. Quite often I hear of FX processors which sound like they could do what I want but when it really comes down to it they don't really deliver. Is the GT-8 an exception? Are the distortions/overdrives/pre's really that much better. It does sound fantastic in print. Cheers Woz _____ From: Mizuho@aol.com [mailto:Mizuho@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) I could not agree with you more! The GT-8 is mind blowing. Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is possible. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C520EC.FF4EEB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi there. The GT-6 seemed really = promising and when you see what it can do on paper it’s mind blowing but = tone wise it seems to me to be quite awful. Quite often I hear of FX processors = which sound like they could do what I want but when it really comes down to it = they don’t really deliver. Is the GT-8 an exception? Are the = distortions/overdrives/pre’s really that much better. It does sound fantastic in = print.

 

Cheers

Woz

 


From: = Mizuho@aol.com [mailto:Mizuho@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 04, = 2005 6:28 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 = and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4)

 

I could not agree with you = more!
The GT-8 is mind blowing.
Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is possible.


Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C520EC.FF4EEB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 03:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2489XN19597; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:09:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Loop Eeze Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:08:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcUgkWJOs01DHpwMRvuw6aSIz0GlZg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050304080847.VCLG13819.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just reporting in-- I had a job tonight playing music with a quartet--for those of you who have seen A Mighty Wind, I was flashing to the end of that movie, as this gig was strolling at a Urology Trade show in San Diego at the Sheraton Harbor Island (by the airport)--hey, it's a gig--however we didn't play "Sure-Flow" the catheter song--but I digress . . . Just before the gig, I got a call from a music pal, who was suffering vocally and needed a last minute fill in for a four hour lounge gig at a Radisson (by UCSD, and the VA Hospital). I agreed to do it, but only had my acoustic guitar with me--but fortunately, also my portable loop pedals in the van! I had to scurry, so all I used was the RC-20, but it made filling the moment so much easier--if I played fingerstyle (where are ya Larry?) less gear might be required--but boy am I glad I had it with me. So this new pedal does sound intriguing--80 seconds of mono looping is just about long enough! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 03:19:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j248E3k20319; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:14:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:14:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:13:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200503040804.j2484ox18872@hemlock.violacea.com> thread-index: AcUgKLD7WII4oZYTQuukhVzavNPI8AAZ3Q8AAABcc9A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050304081325.EXVR22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <2VDtu.A.w8E.tiBKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My big beef with Roland is the digital processing--you know it when you hear it--and it gets in the way--'course I still haven't sold the GP-16, and it produced the same effect (not a pun)--also still have the GT-3 (hi Doug!) G From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) Hi there. The GT-6 seemed really promising and when you see what it can do on paper it's mind blowing but tone wise it seems to me to be quite awful. Quite often I hear of FX processors which sound like they could do what I want but when it really comes down to it they don't really deliver. Is the GT-8 an exception? Are the distortions/overdrives/pre's really that much better. It does sound fantastic in print. Cheers Woz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 03:28:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j248NlQ21457; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:23:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.253] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050304080847.VCLG13819.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop Eeze Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:22:15 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2005 08:23:00.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[6085F400:01C52093] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Urology trade show? How'd you hook that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 03:38:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j248Vhs22411; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:31:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:31:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:22:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, cec-conference@concordia.ca, microsound , max-msp@cycling74.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Iceland 05/29-06/03? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be in Iceland from May 29 through June 3 with free time while my partner attends the International Viola Society Congress in Reykjavik. Is there any electroacoustic music or other such goings on at that time? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 04:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j248t1u24811; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000e01c52096$ca3ce9a0$799efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Cc: Subject: Website update Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:21:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C52004.AC4CCEC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <1EotI.A.9CG.3ICKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C52004.AC4CCEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, apologies for this shameless plug but we=B4ve updated our website = www.doombient.com and added some doombient drones and loops to it for = your enjoyment. Some people complained it didn=B4t work properly with = Firefox (whatever that is, I don=B4t bother to know) but anyway, give it = a try... Looper=B4s content: EDPs, Jam Men, Repeaters, my voice, steel tubes etc. = ...=20 Any kind of feedback is welcome. Thanks for your attention, enjoy, Stephen. _________________________________________________________________________= ____________________ "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C52004.AC4CCEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
apologies for this shameless plug but = we=B4ve updated=20 our website www.doombient.com = and added=20 some doombient drones and loops to it for your enjoyment. Some people = complained=20 it didn=B4t work properly with Firefox (whatever that is, I don=B4t = bother to know)=20 but anyway, give it a try...
 
Looper=B4s content: EDPs, Jam Men, = Repeaters, my=20 voice, steel tubes etc. ... 
 
Any kind of feedback is welcome. Thanks = for your=20 attention, enjoy,
 
Stephen.
 
________________________________________________________________= _____________________________
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C52004.AC4CCEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 04:19:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j249Fpb27591; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c5209a$8b1d41d0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <000f01c52039$fb059940$0affff0a@hppav> <548D0AC6-8C6A-11D9-B5F8-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:14:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C520A2.ECA3B670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C520A2.ECA3B670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Ronan,=20 i'm italian and i'd like to know if you'll come to play in Rome, in = april. Fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ronan Chris Murphy=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: Re: EDP Glitches? David, Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next month I am taking off to = Italy to do more work on Willie's new album, but the next album will = have looping on it!! (so this is not totally OT) Same King Crimson = rhythm section etc, but a very different album; more textural combining = a lot of my soundscapes style work. Speaking of going over to Italy, I will also be doing a little bit of = touring in North Italy with my looping/soundscapes project "Lives of the = Saints" for the last 3 weeks of April. If there is any one on this list = in North or Central Italy that wants to try and do some shows together = let me know. I have a few things lined up but would be interested in a = couple more. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, = Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the = art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & = Cher) On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:43 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: This has been a Ronan Chris Murphy day! :-)=20 =20 =20 Willie Oteri Album With Some Well Known Players =20 We're proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It = features some players whose names you may have heard! =20 Mike Keneally: Organ, Fender Rhodes; Tony Levin: Bass, Whistle; Pat = Mastelotto: Drums; Ephram Zimolest Owens: Trumpet; Ronan Chris Murphy: = Fender Rhodes; Willie Oteri: Guitar =20 Review by Bruce Stringer Produced, recorded and mixed by Ronan Chris Murphy, "Spiral Out" is = an extension of the improvisational outings that made acts like John = McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony Williams Lifetime, King = Crimson and even Frank Zappa the uniquely memorable experience that made = musical history. Whatever is in Willie Oteri's water, I think it's high = time that it was poured into the two dimensional cesspool which is what = some of the homogenized and pasteurized modern music industry has become = today. Gone are the walls of conformity and the limitations of clich=E9d = musical formats. What this stripped down skeleton of raw musical talent = leaves us is pure musical spontaneity. This is pure back brain music = with a brilliant cast. Tony Levin crosses the sound waves with skin = maestro Pat Mastelotto and keys man Mike Keneally, all the while = allowing Willie's guitar madness to take off and to subtly lay a musical = platform for the Miles-esque trumpet of Ephraim Owens. Production = genius, Murphy, is also released onto the recording with some Rhodes = piano playing proving that music can once again allow the 'spirit of = adventure' breathe through it. =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C520A2.ECA3B670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Ronan, =
i'm italian and i'd = like to know if=20 you'll come to play in Rome, in april.
 
Fabio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ronan Chris=20 Murphy
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 = 6:00=20 AM
Subject: Re: EDP = Glitches?

David,
Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next = month I=20 am taking off to Italy to do more work on Willie's new album, but the = next=20 album will have looping on it!! (so this is not totally OT) Same King = Crimson=20 rhythm section etc, but a very different album; more textural = combining a lot=20 of my soundscapes style work.

Speaking of going over to Italy, = I will=20 also be doing a little bit of touring in North Italy with my=20 looping/soundscapes project "Lives of the Saints" for the last 3 weeks = of=20 April. If there is any one on this list in North or Central Italy that = wants=20 to try and do some shows together let me know. I have a few things = lined up=20 but would be interested in a couple=20 more.

Ronan Chris=20 Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, = Chucho=20 Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, = CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com=20 (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording=20 )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since = Sonny &=20 = Cher)
On=20 Mar 3, 2005, at 1:43 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

This = has=20 been a Ronan Chris Murphy day! = :-) 


 
 
Willie=20 Oteri Album With Some Well Known = Players

 
We're=20 proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It = features some=20 players whose names you may have = heard!

 
Mike=20 Keneally: Organ, Fender Rhodes; Tony Levin: Bass, Whistle; Pat = Mastelotto:=20 Drums; Ephram Zimolest Owens: = Trumpet;=20 Ronan Chris Murphy: Fender = Rhodes;=20 Willie Oteri:=20 Guitar

 
Review=20 by Bruce = Stringer

Produced,=20 recorded and mixed by Ronan Chris = Murphy<= ?param Arial>,=20 "Spiral Out" is an extension of the improvisational outings that = made acts=20 like John McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony Williams = Lifetime, King=20 Crimson and even Frank Zappa the uniquely memorable experience that = made=20 musical history. Whatever is in Willie Oteri's water, I think it's = high time=20 that it was poured into the two dimensional cesspool which is what = some of=20 the homogenized and pasteurized modern music industry has become = today. Gone=20 are the walls of conformity and the limitations of clich=E9d musical = formats.=20 What this stripped down skeleton of raw musical talent leaves us is = pure=20 musical spontaneity. This is pure back brain music with a brilliant = cast.=20 Tony Levin crosses the sound waves with skin maestro Pat Mastelotto = and keys=20 man Mike Keneally, all the while allowing Willie's guitar madness to = take=20 off and to subtly lay a musical platform for the Miles-esque trumpet = of=20 Ephraim Owens. Production genius, Murphy, is also released onto the=20 recording with some Rhodes piano playing proving that music can once = again=20 allow the 'spirit of adventure' breathe through = it.

 
 
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C520A2.ECA3B670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 06:31:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24BTQr14570; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:29:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:29:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050304111255.02b46090@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:26:57 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: new loop pedal( =RiffBox) In-Reply-To: <200503040502.j2452YJ31413@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503040502.j2452YJ31413@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space >between the notes it should do a pretty good job. But this isn't >going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to >The Black Page. I think it's much worse than that. Presumably you can only do rhythms which are predominantly on the beat. (and any clave rhythm would be out of the question). It also seems that you either have to set the "number of notes (called "events") in advance, or alternatively you have to play on the first beat of playback. Surely guitarists will buy this because it says "easy" a lot in the publicity and then be totally baffled by it. This is the Spinal Tap looper. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 07:22:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24CKOM20582; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EE98cGN4RNu3TzZ5zbnmxNFEDsRhZqoEGVkdGYxlYC6mWSrwtHzIOC4xNr6Gk/zgzokMhJtazJy2wdshcgKNJPVghZHhcEzvmb0MpYkRXN+HSkom9b6JqtIRKHKBdVOZj76VPsraRmFxR2YfuiMENqdRfpzpXnX+x5l7KgvmDBM= ; Message-ID: <20050304121844.11684.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:18:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Loop Eeze/NYC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- samba - wrote: > Urology trade show? How'd you hook that? Maybe he sent them a demo including covers of Catheter's Clown, Urine the Money, Golden Slumbers with a slight lyrical change and a Urethra Franklin medley? I hear they tried to get a Stones tribute band, but it was the wrong kind... (Sorry, didn't mean to piss anyone off, 'twas just a wee, wee joke....) -t- ps: I'm off to NYC in a few minutes; anything of loop-interest going on there between tonight and next Wednesday? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 08:52:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24DnZA00619; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:49:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:49:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZM312jdqcK3PQaj8+eoYdSuJB4Dk2bUsFSz6iuQpTdLtnslcyPj79GwKFQFlSzHlrFBGO+zq2HqIRWKhrk+txrEdHC6274RDcioyNpKMu/rZ8G5zHGWBF1yTJI0fPj9p6uX99dMLsxwf713GSPZqU2FdALiJtyXMpCuXivJUjrs= ; Message-ID: <20050304134902.15250.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:49:02 -0800 (PST) From: William Klemmer Subject: Yanni a looper??!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-193005623-1109944142=:14913" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-193005623-1109944142=:14913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a couple of Echoplexes in a gear rack. "Willie" --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-193005623-1109944142=:14913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a couple of Echoplexes in a gear rack.
 
"Willie"


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Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-193005623-1109944142=:14913-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 09:48:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24Ejr907888; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:45:10 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) To: Woz , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006f01c520c8$c6fdd880$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ow9HY+Sy4DuEX53vtZE15A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200503040804.j2484ox18872@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Ow9HY+Sy4DuEX53vtZE15A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Woz wrote "...tonewise it seems to be quite awful..." (Full text of his message below) I'll describe my experience with the GT-3, GT-6 and GT-8. Your experience may vary. I use the GT-3 almost exclusively for it's tone-altering possibilities - filters, synthy tones, volume swells/chops, short delays, etc. - and NOT for its ability to recreate "vintage and boutique tone." However, I recognize that a huge market exists for just this application. I've found the GT-3 to be good - not great - at simulating different amp models. If I were choosing a multi-fx pedal for tube amp simulation only, I'd probably grab a Pod, Vox, or Digitech over the GT-3. I reviewed the GT-6 when it first came out, and I found the amp sims to be improved from the GT-3, and the addition of knobs for instant tweaking was a plus.When I tested the GT-8 (all too quickly, I'm afraid, due to my magazine's deadline) I was immediately impressed with how much better still the amp simulations sounded. They were expressive, textured, and varied. I didn't have the time to directly compare the GT-8 amps to the GT-6 (owned by a friend), but I was confident that I was hearing some really good, complex tone. The problem with the GT-8 factory presets is that they lard on too many effects. The unit will sound good, even impressive, in a music store with a high background noise level, but when you get it home, the amount of excess reverb and delay can be daunting. But again, I must say that the GT-8, even with its cotton-candy spiderwebs of reverb and delay, sounded like the preamp modeling was amazingly better than my GT-3. The GT-8 has something like 40-plus effects, configurable in ANY order. This feature alone is a recipe for sonic heaven or hell. You can get some real crap from a poorly-thought-out chain of effects that has too many high-gain stages, too much noise gating, a couple of EQs fighting each other, and a poor choice of output. But you can also get some wildly improbable bits of sonic heaven. Again, I must rave about the ring modulator (which has just one preset from Boss, a pretty grim out-of-tune setting). The ring mod will easily stand up to a unit like the Moogerfooger AND its intelligent mode (which allows the ring mod oscillator to track parallel to the pitch of the input) will blow the Moogerfooger away. I believe it's possible to plug into the GT-8 for a few minutes, scroll through some presets, and dismiss the unit, particularly if you're a dyed-in-the-wool tube amp user. The GT-8 is light, small, and full of features that aren't apparent just by looking at the front panel, way down at your feet. Trad tube amp users will (consciously or not) be turned off by the lack of heat generated by the unit, the tiny LCD window near their toes, the need for an outboard amp and speaker, and a large and dryly-written owners' manual. BTW, and to add some topic relevancy, the GT-8 has some wicked cool delay and reverb settings. Not a lot of memory (up to 1.8 seconds of delay) but the dual delays can be configured in series or parallel, it's got the reverse delay (with NO real-time signal if you wish), and it's got a phrase sampler (up to 2.8 seconds, if I recall). The reverbs can generate up to ten seconds of "tail" with remarkable quality. Toss a hint of phaser or flanger after that ten-second cloud and you've got instant Steve Roach, baby! So I am curious, Woz, as to what it is that you want an FX processor to do, and what you are currently using - if anything? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Woz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:04 AM Subject: RE: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) Hi there. The GT-6 seemed really promising and when you see what it can do on paper it's mind blowing but tone wise it seems to me to be quite awful. Quite often I hear of FX processors which sound like they could do what I want but when it really comes down to it they don't really deliver. Is the GT-8 an exception? Are the distortions/overdrives/pre's really that much better. It does sound fantastic in print. Cheers Woz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mizuho@aol.com [mailto:Mizuho@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) I could not agree with you more! The GT-8 is mind blowing. Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is possible. Bill --Boundary_(ID_Ow9HY+Sy4DuEX53vtZE15A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Woz wrote "...tonewise it seems to be quite = awful..." (Full=20 text of his message below) I'll describe my experience with the GT-3, = GT-6 and=20 GT-8. Your experience may vary. I use the GT-3 almost exclusively for = it's=20 tone-altering possibilities - filters, synthy tones, volume = swells/chops, short=20 delays, etc. - and NOT for its ability to recreate "vintage and boutique = tone." However, I recognize that a huge market exists for just this = application. I've found the GT-3 to be good - not great - at simulating=20 different amp models. If I were choosing a multi-fx pedal for tube amp=20 simulation only, I'd probably grab a Pod, Vox, or Digitech over the = GT-3.=20
 
I reviewed the GT-6 when it first came out, and I = found the=20 amp sims to be improved from the GT-3, and the addition of knobs for = instant=20 tweaking was a plus.When I tested the GT-8 (all too quickly, I'm afraid, = due to=20 my magazine's deadline) I was immediately impressed with how much better = still=20 the amp simulations sounded. They were expressive, textured, and varied. = I=20 didn't have the time to directly compare the GT-8 amps to the GT-6 = (owned by a=20 friend), but I was confident that I was hearing some really good, = complex tone.=20 The problem with the GT-8 factory presets is that they lard on too many = effects.=20 The unit will sound good, even impressive, in a music store with a high=20 background noise level, but when you get it home, the amount of excess = reverb=20 and delay can be daunting. But again, I must say that the GT-8, even = with its=20 cotton-candy spiderwebs of reverb and delay, sounded like the preamp = modeling=20 was amazingly better than my GT-3.
 
The GT-8 has something like 40-plus effects, = configurable in=20 ANY order. This feature alone is a recipe for sonic heaven or hell. You = can get=20 some real crap from a poorly-thought-out chain of effects that has too = many=20 high-gain stages, too much noise gating, a couple of EQs fighting each = other,=20 and a poor choice of output. But you can also get some wildly = improbable=20 bits of sonic heaven. Again, I must rave about the ring modulator (which = has=20 just one preset from Boss, a pretty grim out-of-tune setting). The ring = mod will=20 easily stand up to a unit like the Moogerfooger AND its intelligent mode = (which=20 allows the ring mod oscillator to track parallel to the pitch of the = input) will=20 blow the Moogerfooger away.
 
I believe it's possible to plug into the GT-8 for a = few=20 minutes, scroll through some presets, and dismiss the unit, particularly = if=20 you're a dyed-in-the-wool tube amp user. The GT-8 is light, small, and = full of=20 features that aren't apparent just by looking at the front panel, way = down at=20 your feet. Trad tube amp users will (consciously or not) be turned off = by the=20 lack of heat generated by the unit, the tiny LCD window near their toes, = the=20 need for an outboard amp and speaker, and a large and dryly-written = owners'=20 manual.
 
BTW, and to add some topic relevancy, the GT-8 has = some wicked=20 cool delay and reverb settings. Not a lot of memory (up to 1.8 seconds = of delay)=20 but the dual delays can be configured in series or parallel, it's got = the=20 reverse delay (with NO real-time signal if you wish), and it's got a = phrase=20 sampler (up to 2.8 seconds, if I recall). The reverbs can generate up to = ten=20 seconds of "tail" with remarkable quality. Toss a hint of phaser or = flanger=20 after that ten-second cloud and you've got instant Steve Roach,=20 baby!
 
So I am curious, Woz, as to what it is that you want = an FX=20 processor to do, and what you are currently using - if = anything?
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
<= /DIV>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Woz =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 = 3:04=20 AM
Subject: RE: Boss GT-8 and = GT-Pro (was=20 Re: Digitech GNX4)

Hi there. = The GT-6=20 seemed really promising and when you see what it can do on paper = it=92s mind=20 blowing but tone wise it seems to me to be quite awful. Quite often I = hear of=20 FX processors which sound like they could do what I want but when it = really=20 comes down to it they don=92t really deliver. Is the GT-8 an = exception? Are the=20 distortions/overdrives/pre=92s really that much better. It does sound = fantastic=20 in print.

 

Cheers

Woz

 


From:=20 Mizuho@aol.com [mailto:Mizuho@aol.com]
Sent:
Friday, March 04, 2005 = 6:28=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and = GT-Pro (was=20 Re: Digitech GNX4)

 

I could = not agree=20 with you more!
The GT-8 is mind blowing.
Just blow off the = presets and=20 build form the ground up and anything is=20 possible.


Bill

--Boundary_(ID_Ow9HY+Sy4DuEX53vtZE15A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 10:15:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24FCDb12910; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:12:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <15677961.1109949086235.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:11:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: new loop pedal( =RiffBox) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "This is the Spinal Tap looper." Maybe, but it *is* expensive (hee hee!)... if I had $400 burning a hole in my pocket (yeah, right!), I'd rather get the Manecolooper or a Boomerang. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: a k butler Sent: Mar 4, 2005 6:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: new loop pedal( =RiffBox) >I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space >between the notes it should do a pretty good job. But this isn't >going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to >The Black Page. I think it's much worse than that. Presumably you can only do rhythms which are predominantly on the beat. (and any clave rhythm would be out of the question). It also seems that you either have to set the "number of notes (called "events") in advance, or alternatively you have to play on the first beat of playback. Surely guitarists will buy this because it says "easy" a lot in the publicity and then be totally baffled by it. This is the Spinal Tap looper. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 10:40:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24FbTv16534; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:36:52 EST Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.234707c9.2f59da94_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cd.234707c9.2f59da94_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few weeks back I very quickly threw a lead over a drum machine to show someone the GT-8 could be tweaked to sound very smooth. I have since improved the sound 100% but this old clip will show you it can sound very tube like. I have to make some new clips http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/Members/000000562_000025538.mp3 Bill --part1_cd.234707c9.2f59da94_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few weeks back I very quickly threw a= lead over a drum machine to show someone the GT-8 could be tweaked to sound= very smooth.
I have since improved the sound 100% but this old clip will show you it can=20= sound very tube like.
I have to make some new clips


http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/Members/000000562_000025538.mp3


Bill
--part1_cd.234707c9.2f59da94_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 11:11:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24G8ax21101; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:08:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:07:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2005 16:08:01.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[5702BD00:01C520D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for sharing Bill... sounded great. Plan on upgrading from the GT-3 to the 8 very shortly. cheers LOU >From: Mizuho@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4) >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:36:52 EST > >A few weeks back I very quickly threw a lead over a drum machine to show >someone the GT-8 could be tweaked to sound very smooth. >I have since improved the sound 100% but this old clip will show you it can >sound very tube like. >I have to make some new clips > > >http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/Members/000000562_000025538.mp3 > > >Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 12:00:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24GvfI27759; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Yanni a looper??!!! Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:54:38 -0700 Message-ID: <006801c520da$da5c7960$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C520A0.2DFDA160" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050304134902.15250.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: *: 1.611000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0,Subject has exclamation mark and question mark=0.0,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 101, in=195, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C520A0.2DFDA160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord for hours upon end.... :) ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: William Klemmer [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yanni a looper??!!! I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a couple of Echoplexes in a gear rack. "Willie" _____ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C520A0.2DFDA160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
So=20 you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord for hours upon = end....=20 :)

****************************************************************= **********************
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http://www.krispenhartung.com=
info@krispenhartung.com
View=20 improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hart= ung/catalogue.htm#videos
Interactive=20 tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians= .com/gear.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: = William Klemmer=20 [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 = 6:49=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Yanni=20 a looper??!!!

I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a = couple of=20 Echoplexes in a gear rack.
 
"Willie"


Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Yahoo! = Netrospective: 100=20 Moments of the Web
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C520A0.2DFDA160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 12:01:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24GxDm28171; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:59:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:59:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Yanni a looper??!!! Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:55:54 -0700 Message-ID: <007301c520db$23274530$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C520A0.76C86D30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050304134902.15250.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: *: 1.611000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0,Subject has exclamation mark and question mark=0.0,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 101, in=196, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <80WDaD.A.a0G.KPJKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C520A0.76C86D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord for hours upon end.... :) ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: William Klemmer [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yanni a looper??!!! I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a couple of Echoplexes in a gear rack. "Willie" _____ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C520A0.76C86D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
So=20 you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord for hours upon = end....=20 :)

****************************************************************= **********************
Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com=
info@krispenhartung.com
View=20 improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hart= ung/catalogue.htm#videos
Interactive=20 tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians= .com/gear.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: = William Klemmer=20 [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 = 6:49=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Yanni=20 a looper??!!!

I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a = couple of=20 Echoplexes in a gear rack.
 
"Willie"


Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Yahoo! = Netrospective: 100=20 Moments of the Web
------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C520A0.76C86D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 12:14:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24HCvu30433; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42289692.6070107@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:10:42 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #415 for March 3, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050303.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #415 March 3, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on American Ambient master Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Places Beyond: The Lost Pieces 4" on Steve's own Timeroom Editions label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Bhakti Point" by Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records released in 1987. Steve Roach - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm Richard Burmer Bhakti Point Bhakti Point (Fortuna) John Lakveet Nihil-ibuster The Force of Reason (Groove) Arcane The Taxidermist 33 1/3 RPM (NeuHarmony) Ozone Player Whatever Happened to Frozen Paint On Boiling Canvas the Emperor's Old Clothes? (Visual Power) vidnaObmana Cycle of Agony Legacy (Relapse) VA [Radio Massacre Sherwood's Special Awakenings (AmbientLive) International] Maitreya Subterranean Telluric Waves (Council of Nine) 12:00 am Steve Roach Distant Signals Places Beyond (Timeroom Ed.) Steve Roach Trancefusion Places Beyond (Timeroom Ed.) Steve Roach Serpent's Birth Places Beyond (Timeroom Ed.) Steve Roach Resolution Point Places Beyond (Timeroom Ed.) Steve Roach Calm Before the Storm Places Beyond (Timeroom Ed.) Steve Roach Slow Rapture Places Beyond (Timeroom Ed.) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live Archive" by Steve Roach and vidnaObmana on the Groove Unlimited label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Dune" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records from 1979. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 12:16:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24HE2x30607; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:14:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422896E1.9000209@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:12:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for February, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-9Sa5B.A.6cH.8cJKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/top20feb.html WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for February, 2005. Shows #411 to #414; 3-February-2005 to 24-February-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic RSS News Feed: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Arcane - 33 1/3 RPM - NeuHarmony Ben Cox - On Water - Lotuspike Darshan Ambient - Autumn's Apple - Lotuspike Hammock - Kenotic - none Hemisphere - From Inside the Cyclone - Groove Hemisphere - Rambling Voyage - Groove Janet Robbins - Carrying the Bag of Hearts - Star 7 John Lakveet - The Force of Reason - Groove Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock and Friends - Psychedelic Breakfast - Heart and Mind Klaus Schulze - Dreams - InsideOut Klaus Schulze - Le Moulin De Daudet - InsideOut Klaus Schulze - Mirage - InsideOut Klaus Schulze - X - InsideOut N-Tribe - Tower of Power - Groove Paul Goodman - Six Computer Tapes 1982-1999 - none Streamline - Beyond the Horizon - none Various Artists - Awakenings 2005 - none Various Artists - E-dition Sampler #6 - Groove Various Artists - To the Sky and Beyond the Stars - Quantum vidnaObmana - Legacy - Relapse Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 12:33:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24HVAZ01484; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:31:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:31:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503041730.j24HUMx01342@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: Keystroke translator Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:30:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200503010308.j2138Ex14420@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcUd3c8hONXFv1XARlivf13+zh9QOAALY37gALR7I6A= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I am looking for a small software that can transform keystrokes into other keystrokes, while running in the background. I have a usb notepad on my main keyboard that I use for Cubase and Reason, but Reason won't let you configure most of the key shortcuts. Such a program would be quite useful as my laptop is not very easy to reach in my studio. I got the Bome midi translator, which is already quite handy, as it can transform midi into keystrokes, but a keystroke to keystroke translator would be brilliant. Cheers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 13:20:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24IHwu10169; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:17:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:17:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:23:42 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Mixere To: Message-id: <005101c520e7$4bc0fc00$30e3a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C520BD.624C4300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000f01c52039$fb059940$0affff0a@hppav> <548D0AC6-8C6A-11D9-B5F8-000A95748ADA@venetowest.com> <008701c5209a$8b1d41d0$040a0a0a@fabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C520BD.624C4300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was sent this and I thought it may be of interest to some readers of = the list. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------ Mixere is a free, open-source Windows application for mixing audio files. It has a simple, spreadsheet-like interface that's optimized for live performance, and especially for making live sound collage. Mixere's features include: * dynamic looping and triggering of audio * fully automated sliders * "soft" (gradual) mute/solo operations * crossfading between documents * snapshots * unlimited undo Mixere runs on Windows NT/2000/XP, and supports WAV, AIFF, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, Flac, and Mod audio files. For more information, and to download Mixere: http://mixere.sourceforge.net/ Chris Korda victimofleisure@yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C520BD.624C4300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was sent this and I thought it may be = of interest=20 to some readers of the list.
 
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Mixere is a free, open-source Windows application for mixing=20 audio
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for live performance, and especially for making live sound=20 collage.

Mixere's features include:
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* fully automated sliders
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C520BD.624C4300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 13:32:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24IU7G11847; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:30:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1109960945!7078391!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E9A@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: RiffBox Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:27:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C520E7.D3D541F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C520E7.D3D541F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Surely guitarists will buy this because it says "easy" a lot in the publicity and then be totally baffled by it.<< I think it's the sort of thing my guitarist would understand instantly, but that I would struggle with for days before placing it carefully in the growing pile of other dust-magnets..... a bit too left-brain for me, that UI. it also raises the issue of where the main tempo control resides in one's band. for my guitarist, this again would be no problem. he hates playing along with anybody else, & works with me & the drummer under sufferance. this is especially noticeable when we are using midi sequencers aswell as live drums, & he's trying to do manuel gottsching-type echo arpeggios into his jam-man using a tap-tempo dl4 in front. hopeless. he'd love to be able to do what he does in his other band, which is to say he runs the tempo. & the drummer & bass player just have to try to keep up. if we bought one of these, he might be able to do that. but then he & the drummer would probably kill each other. I suspect this box is (intentionally or no) ideal for the lead-guitarist-who-wants-to-run-everything scenario. so far as I can see, it will export a midi clock but not respond to one, & then there's this weird behaviour (which can only be defeated under certain operational strictures) of sending starts & stops to the synced device whenever a record or play op is initiated. very odd. even the reissue EH doesn't do that. this, of course, is all academic hot air if the thing can't do what it says vis a vis copping a reliable pulse from audio input. if it was that easy ("patent applied for", they say...) then we'd be surrounded by echo pedals cleverer than apollo 11 was. the repeater doesn't make a great job of it..... if there's a hint of bitterness about this, it's because I own a kahler human-clock..... I've yet to see an account of one of those strange puppies being used on-stage. anyone want to buy it? it is just about good enough to take a kick-drum from a multitrack & give you a reasonable stripe, so remixers would get some mileage.... but really kahler should've stuck to making whammy systems. :-) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C520E7.D3D541F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Re: RiffBox

>>Surely guitarists will buy this because it says &= quot;easy" a lot in the
publicity and then be totally baffled by it.<<

I think it's the sort of thing my guitarist would underst= and instantly, but that I would struggle with for days before placing it ca= refully in the growing pile of other dust-magnets..... a bit too left-brain= for me, that UI.

it also raises the issue of where the main tempo control = resides in one's band. for my guitarist, this again would be no problem. he= hates playing along with anybody else, & works with me & the drumm= er under sufferance. this is especially noticeable when we are using midi s= equencers aswell as live drums, & he's trying to do manuel gottsching-t= ype echo arpeggios into his jam-man using a tap-tempo dl4 in front. hopeles= s. he'd love to be able to do what he does in his other band, which is to s= ay he runs the tempo. & the drummer & bass player just have to try = to keep up.

if we bought one of these, he might be able to do that. b= ut then he & the drummer would probably kill each other.

I suspect this box is (intentionally or no) ideal for the= lead-guitarist-who-wants-to-run-everything scenario. so far as I can see, = it will export a midi clock but not respond to one, & then there's this= weird behaviour (which can only be defeated under certain operational stri= ctures) of sending starts & stops to the synced device whenever a recor= d or play op is initiated. very odd. even the reissue EH doesn't do that.

this, of course, is all academic hot air if the thing can= 't do what it says vis a vis copping a reliable pulse from audio input. if = it was that easy ("patent applied for", they say...) then we'd be= surrounded by echo pedals cleverer than apollo 11 was. the repeater doesn'= t make a great job of it.....

if there's a hint of bitterness about this, it's because = I own a kahler human-clock..... I've yet to see an account of one of those = strange puppies being used on-stage. anyone want to buy it? it is just abou= t good enough to take a kick-drum from a multitrack & give you a reason= able stripe, so remixers would get some mileage.... but really kahler shoul= d've stuck to making whammy systems.

:-)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C520E7.D3D541F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 14:01:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24IweX16491; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:58:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:58:23 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: RiffBox In-reply-to: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E9A@lon-oxmail02> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4228AFCF.1040004@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E9A@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I suspect this box is (intentionally or no) ideal for the > lead-guitarist-who-wants-to-run-everything scenario. It will probably turn up in a lot of hotel lounges where "one man band" acts wow audiences of drunk business travelers looping 12 bar blues solos. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 15:00:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24JvYl25245; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:57:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:57:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <006801c520da$da5c7960$6401a8c0@khartung> References: <006801c520da$da5c7960$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <67DD69D5-8CE6-11D9-898B-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Yanni a looper??!!! Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:48:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j24Jv2x25151 Resent-Message-ID: <2i60p.A.QJG.O2LKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 4, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord  for hours > upon end.... :) yes. i know _i_ did. in fact, sometimes i sleep in my studio on my couch, and let a 16 second loop in the PCM-80 "cook" overnight. often those loops are in the c major scale, key center of a or c or f and *gasp* sometimes they involve a C major chord too! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 15:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j24KnkK01743; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:49:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:49:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1109969364!14799557!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E9D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RiffBox Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:47:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C520FB.6F4A0810" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C520FB.6F4A0810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>It will probably turn up in a lot of hotel lounges where "one man band" acts wow audiences of drunk business travelers looping 12 bar blues solos. Not that there's anything wrong with that.<< woah! if it's reliable enough! I wouldn't want to be the first person to go "on stage" on my own with this technology.... but then again, we've all taken that kind of risk at some time, haven't we? d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C520FB.6F4A0810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: RiffBox

>>It will probably turn up in a lot of hotel lounge= s where
"one man band" acts wow audiences of drunk bus= iness
travelers looping 12 bar blues solos.  Not that the= re's
anything wrong with that.<<

woah! if it's reliable enough! I wouldn't want to be the = first person to go "on stage" on my own with this technology.... = but then again, we've all taken that kind of risk at some time, haven't we?=

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C520FB.6F4A0810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 19:21:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j250Ja832536; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:19:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:19:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.200.230] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329E9A@lon-oxmail02> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lead Guitar syndrome Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:18:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2005 00:18:07.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE404F60:01C52118] Resent-Message-ID: <5X2W-D.A.M7H.DsPKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nothing personal but if someone is running the tempo,and the bass and drums have to keep up the group isn't in the groove. A gig would have to be really juicy,or worthwhile in some way for me to put up with what you're describing.The "leader" would really have to deliver the goods musically or financially.I played in a band with a singer who could do full on James Brown,Otis Redding,Wilson Picket stuff His own style, with all that sort of showmanship -he could work any crowd into a frenzy ,he liked to keep the band on a short leash,to keep us mean.When things got to the edge of out of control he'd say "hit me" and the drummer hit a snare shot,and the whole band would drop in volume and complexity.and start building again-the sort of thing that can drive a woman (or a man but I don;t swing that way) or an audience totally nuts. It was really,reallyfun ,for awhile But even James Brown's bands periodically quit,cause they get tired of the control trip.They'd get fined $50.if their shoes weren't shined onstage or for making mistakes. I want to have the guitar player ,singer ,dancers ,club owners and all such problematic people in the riffomatic,and sit there playing my congas while a whole band comes through the speakers. Maybe the audience too.Is there a way to incorprate an ATM? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 4 19:34:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j250XAZ02295; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:33:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:33:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=W2xi+jQzcy26mkxt3A9FzhmsvzbwpOF/sN8YR+7V5hLTQ/TOCiMP/CFgj+mjgCbtaJLjzl/QKwdzBiePHFo0twzJXy2m7chFUCFv90L2mN8UZYrgBn1aubaIvghq/LL/YEd488VnZwktCxNaUTNBSzMLum8U+sk7QKVeffgWYeU= ; Message-ID: <20050305003228.31661.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: William Klemmer Subject: Re: Yanni a looper??!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-256417488-1109982748=:28563" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-256417488-1109982748=:28563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, at least he got to poke a TV star. Suit & Tie Guy wrote:On Mar 4, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord for hours > upon end.... :) yes. i know _i_ did. in fact, sometimes i sleep in my studio on my couch, and let a 16 second loop in the PCM-80 "cook" overnight. often those loops are in the c major scale, key center of a or c or f and *gasp* sometimes they involve a C major chord too! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-256417488-1109982748=:28563 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, at least he got to poke a TV star.

Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
> So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord  for hours
> upon end.... :)

yes.

i know _i_ did.

in fact, sometimes i sleep in my studio on my couch, and let a 16
second loop in the PCM-80 "cook" overnight.

often those loops are in the c major scale, key center of a or c or f

and *gasp* sometimes they involve a C major chord too!

---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-256417488-1109982748=:28563-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 01:57:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j256slE14179; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:54:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:54:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422957DD.8020305@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:55:25 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland Space Echo RE-201 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland Space Echo RE-201on Portland, OR craigslist (No affiliation with seller): http://portland.craigslist.org/msg/62365614.html David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 06:27:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25BPBt11830; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: wanted: MIDI watchdog Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:25:44 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c52176$12d45510$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do any of you know of a device that does the following: It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to either * send a MIDI message * start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop (!)) And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software. The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I want something to continue "in the beat". Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 07:18:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25CFX215614; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:15:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:15:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: wanted: MIDI watchdog Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:15:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001301c52176$12d45510$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the Y2K4 live looping festival, Bob Rice did a set with Richard Zvonar. Bob has worked with e.g. Frank Zappa, Lyle Mays, Chick Corea. Apparently, his USP is to have two identical set-ups running simultaneously. So when one fails he switches to the other and starts fixing the first which then functions as the backup for the second. Maybe you can use a second laptop as a backup which periodically synchronizes with the first? You would feed the output of both laptops into a switchable MIDI box, like MIDIman/M-Audio 3X8 MIDI through box - which is a box that will take the signals sent to three different inputs, and then route them to the eight outputs using physical three-way switches located on each of the eight output channels, which can be altered by hand, on the fly. When Laptop #1 crashes, you flick the switch, now feeding MIDI from Laptop #2 Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > Sent: Samstag, 5. Marz 2005 12:26 > To: Looper's Delight Mailing List > Subject: wanted: MIDI watchdog > > > Do any of you know of a device that does the following: > > It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI > message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to > either > > * send a MIDI message > * start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop > (!)) > > And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software. > > The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm > currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical > flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I want > something to continue "in the beat". > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 07:46:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25CgP118105; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:42:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:42:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bob Englert, Jr." To: Subject: RE: wanted: MIDI watchdog Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:41:59 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c52180$b9a92e10$c303fea9@robert> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301c52176$12d45510$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j25Cg6x18053 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Rainer, Hi. I have been running laptops for about 5 years now and have never once had a crash. I use Winbook. They are out if Columbus, Ohio. I was just telling someone the other day as to how I will not ever own anymore desktops (PC's), because these are so bomb proof. Please don't misunderstand me. I may not be using it for the exact same thing as you, but I do steel design and drawings in it and these are usually real hard on a computer. I do a Yamaha Tyros keyboard program in it and other music programs. This laptop is loaded up pretty good with programs. It is my on the road computer. I hope this helped you out some. In God's loving service, Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:26 AM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: wanted: MIDI watchdog Do any of you know of a device that does the following: It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to either * send a MIDI message * start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop (!)) And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software. The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I want something to continue "in the beat". Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 07:49:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25Ckkd18855; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:46:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:46:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: wanted: MIDI watchdog Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:47:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c52181$87dd4410$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j25CkRx18755 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately, for this I'd need another laptop (not cheap) with MIDI interface and an independent MIDI merge/patchbay. I did however come up with another solution: The setup for the event consists of: * Laptop (running Live!) * Waldorf Q * Roland MC-505 * Behringer FCB1010 * other Stuff (not relevant here) Concentrating on the relevant core of the setup, MIDI runs like this: Laptop Out: to Waldorf Q In Waldorf Q Out: to MC505 In Waldorf Q Thru: to other stuff MC505 Out/Thru: to Behringer Behringer Out/Thru: to Laptop The MC505 is set to slave to clock. Now comes the tricky part: The Q syncronizes its internal clock to the clock at the MIDI in and sends the internal clock at the out. Now in the normal case (i.e. laptop is running), the Q syncs the internal clock to the laptop and sends the internal clock (which is identical to the laptop clock) to the MC505. In the event of a laptop crash, the Q will no longer receive a clock at the input, so it continues to send the now free-running internal clock which runs at the tempo and in the phase it last synced to! So all I have to do to have at least a beat going is to always have the MC505 drum along and in case of a crash just unmute the respective channels! Everyone should design their devices like Waldorf did. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. März 2005 13:15 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: wanted: MIDI watchdog At the Y2K4 live looping festival, Bob Rice did a set with Richard Zvonar. Bob has worked with e.g. Frank Zappa, Lyle Mays, Chick Corea. Apparently, his USP is to have two identical set-ups running simultaneously. So when one fails he switches to the other and starts fixing the first which then functions as the backup for the second. Maybe you can use a second laptop as a backup which periodically synchronizes with the first? You would feed the output of both laptops into a switchable MIDI box, like MIDIman/M-Audio 3X8 MIDI through box - which is a box that will take the signals sent to three different inputs, and then route them to the eight outputs using physical three-way switches located on each of the eight output channels, which can be altered by hand, on the fly. When Laptop #1 crashes, you flick the switch, now feeding MIDI from Laptop #2 Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > Sent: Samstag, 5. Marz 2005 12:26 > To: Looper's Delight Mailing List > Subject: wanted: MIDI watchdog > > > Do any of you know of a device that does the following: > > It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI > message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to > either > > * send a MIDI message > * start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop > (!)) > > And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software. > > The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm > currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical > flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I > want something to continue "in the beat". > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 09:42:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25EcsP30557; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:38:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:38:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Fc2APTUaHPkDoTWQMPWmQWdSzvtNfORlqGCgOtHfYm9k857DqIhUhlQVIlLDrBlCbOezppr8JCm9/0VASc9151nh4eL/c73k0MmEWH2PM6hQcEbDYsOtfosnSdTBoWTV43j5hsqzmWXu7HPkoWdrAi//3/4uHD7/SPs7mR5I024= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:38:01 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wanted: MIDI watchdog In-Reply-To: <001401c52181$87dd4410$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <001401c52181$87dd4410$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Didn't Waldorf go out of business? On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:47:45 +0100, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Everyone should design their devices like Waldorf did. > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 10:00:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25EvUg32690; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:57:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:57:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229C7F7.1010705@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:53:43 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 5, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050305.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #63 March 5, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the series of CDs from Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Syndromeda & The Secret of the Tribe Truth of Dare (Groove) Harold] VA [Johannes & Rene] Limits of Investigation Truth of Dare (Groove) VA [James & Kees] Surfacing from Beyond Truth of Dare (Groove) VA [Ron, Harold, Mario Aliennation Truth of Dare (Groove) & Detlef] VA [Ian & Norman] 23:59 Truth of Dare (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Byron Metcalf Preparation Pulse The Shaman's Heart (Dr. Bam's) Kitaro Shining Spirit of Water Sacred Journey of Ku-Kai Vol. 2 (Domo) Kitaro As the Wind Blows Sacred Journey of Ku-Kai Vol. 2 (Domo) Dov Summer Rain Journey to Eden (Lovestar) Eric Roberts The River Runs In a Silent Place (none) Kayanis Ellie Machines and Dreams (Hardbeat) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Far Corner Something Out There Far Corner (Cuneiform) Forever Einstein There's some milk in the Racket Science (Cuneiform) fridge that's about to go bad... And there it goes James LaBrie Freak Elements of Persuation (InsideOut) Arena Opera Fanatica Pepper's Ghost (InsideOut) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 19. On the next show, I will continue the special on the series of CDs from Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 12:33:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25HV6S25480; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:31:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:31:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 11:58:43 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Hiss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey EDP gurus I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the looping community. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 12:42:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25HdT527262; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:39:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:39:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:39:31 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss References: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> In-Reply-To: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c571c192df4d143e2587bbdaef4e0fb1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.232.125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My EDP is the same way. Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. I've accepted the hiss. -J Tom Combs wrote: > Hey EDP gurus > > I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. I've > tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present even > when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss is not > present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second > press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away when I set > the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. > > My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately > or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal behavior for > the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the > looping community. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Tom > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 12:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25HiYA28371; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:44:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:43:32 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss References: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8smz-D.A.25G.L_eKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Improper in what way? A flaw in the EDP design Jesse Lucas wrote: > > My EDP is the same way. > > Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. > > I've accepted the hiss. > > -J > > > > Tom Combs wrote: > >> Hey EDP gurus >> >> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. >> I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present >> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss >> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the >> second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away >> when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. >> >> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse >> lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal >> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being >> acceptable to the looping community. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 12:53:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25HpuP29687; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:51:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:51:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hiss Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:49:30 -0700 Message-ID: <008d01c521ab$aee4c680$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 102, in=197, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs. It is a slight annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser. Actually, I found this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss RC-20 was absolutely silent. As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop starts to play, the hiss comes in. Sadly, this will probably wear on me psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit coming out in the market? The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both EDPs, so it's not like one is defective. I've tried all sorts of experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the underlying problem. The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs. I use Record, Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my EDPs. I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:59 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Hiss Hey EDP gurus I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the looping community. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 12:56:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25Hra130321; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:53:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:53:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hiss Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:51:14 -0700 Message-ID: <008e01c521ab$ecbbc4e0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=198, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs. It is a slight annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser. Actually, I found this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss RC-20 was absolutely silent. As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop starts to play, the hiss comes in. Sadly, this will probably wear on me psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit coming out in the market? The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both EDPs, so it's not like one is defective. I've tried all sorts of experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the underlying problem. The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs. I use Record, Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my EDPs. I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:59 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Hiss Hey EDP gurus I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the looping community. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 12:57:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25HsZW30866; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hiss Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <008f01c521ac$12bcecf0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=225, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <5udjNB.A.efH.NJfKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem addressable by hardware or embedded software mods? Again, it baffles me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono" looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old effect processors. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss Improper in what way? A flaw in the EDP design Jesse Lucas wrote: > > My EDP is the same way. > > Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. > > I've accepted the hiss. > > -J > > > > Tom Combs wrote: > >> Hey EDP gurus >> >> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. >> I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present >> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss >> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the >> second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away >> when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. >> >> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse >> lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal >> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being >> acceptable to the looping community. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:00:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25HwhR32103; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:58:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:58:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hiss Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: <009001c521ac$a1cc4ee0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=226, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem addressable by hardware or embedded software mods? Again, it baffles me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono" looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old effect processors. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss Improper in what way? A flaw in the EDP design Jesse Lucas wrote: > > My EDP is the same way. > > Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. > > I've accepted the hiss. > > -J > > > > Tom Combs wrote: > >> Hey EDP gurus >> >> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. >> I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present >> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss >> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the >> second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away >> when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. >> >> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse >> lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal >> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being >> acceptable to the looping community. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:06:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25I3TS00641; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:03:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:03:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229F474.4020901@neoprimitive.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:03:32 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss References: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> In-Reply-To: <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79081ee2cafba4a20cd475cb0630ba181b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.232.125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Combs wrote: > Improper in what way? A flaw in the EDP design No, improper gain staging by the user. -J > Jesse Lucas wrote: > >> >> My EDP is the same way. >> >> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. >> >> I've accepted the hiss. >> >> -J >> >> >> >> Tom Combs wrote: >> >>> Hey EDP gurus >>> >>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. >>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present >>> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss >>> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the >>> second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away >>> when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. >>> >>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse >>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal >>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being >>> acceptable to the looping community. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tom >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:06:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25I4hZ00919; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:04:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229F4A3.6010709@sep.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:04:19 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss References: <008e01c521ab$ecbbc4e0$6401a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <008e01c521ab$ecbbc4e0$6401a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-g25CB.A.HM.qSfKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow...that's disappointing. I've been thinking about moving to laptop-based loopers (perhaps Mobius or Sooperlooper). My noisy EDP has really been grating on me lately. Krispen Hartung wrote: >I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs. It is a slight >annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes >when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser. Actually, I found >this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss >RC-20 was absolutely silent. As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you >record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop >starts to play, the hiss comes in. Sadly, this will probably wear on me >psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping >device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount >looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit >coming out in the market? > >The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon >LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both >EDPs, so it's not like one is defective. I've tried all sorts of >experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output >levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and >running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the >underlying problem. The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play >very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using >any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a >delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop >it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. > >And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs. I use Record, >Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I >could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my >EDPs. > >I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. > >************************************************************************ >************** >Krispen Hartung >http://www.krispenhartung.com >info@krispenhartung.com >View improvisational / real-time looping videos: >http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht >m#videos >Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:59 AM >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: EDP Hiss > > >Hey EDP gurus > >I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. I've > >tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present even >when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss is not >present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second >press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away when I set >the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. > >My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately >or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal behavior for > >the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the >looping community. > >Any ideas? > >Thanks, >Tom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:06:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25I3lu00689; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:03:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hiss Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: <009101c521ad$5964e350$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=227, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem addressable by hardware or embedded software mods? Again, it baffles me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono" looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old effect processors. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss Improper in what way? A flaw in the EDP design Jesse Lucas wrote: > > My EDP is the same way. > > Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. > > I've accepted the hiss. > > -J > > > > Tom Combs wrote: > >> Hey EDP gurus >> >> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. >> I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present >> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss >> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the >> second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away >> when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. >> >> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse >> lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal >> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being >> acceptable to the looping community. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:09:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25I78v02362; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:07:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:07:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hiss Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: <009301c521ae$11cbc440$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=225, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7b4Fw.A.Gk.zUfKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs. It is a slight annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser. Actually, I found this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss RC-20 was absolutely silent. As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop starts to play, the hiss comes in. Sadly, this will probably wear on me psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit coming out in the market? The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both EDPs, so it's not like one is defective. I've tried all sorts of experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the underlying problem. The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs. I use Record, Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my EDPs. I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:59 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Hiss Hey EDP gurus I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the looping community. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:10:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25I7V402470; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:07:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229F54E.2080706@sep.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:07:10 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss References: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> <4229F474.4020901@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <4229F474.4020901@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set to minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my part? The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro. If there were a gain problem associated with the output stage of the EDP, then I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not playing.. Jesse Lucas wrote: > Tom Combs wrote: > >> Improper in what way? A flaw in the EDP design > > > No, improper gain staging by the user. > > -J > > >> Jesse Lucas wrote: >> >>> >>> My EDP is the same way. >>> >>> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. >>> >>> I've accepted the hiss. >>> >>> -J >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Combs wrote: >>> >>>> Hey EDP gurus >>>> >>>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. >>>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is >>>> present even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. >>>> The hiss is not present while recording, but it appears immediately >>>> after the second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss >>>> goes away when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the >>>> MIX to loop. >>>> >>>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse >>>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal >>>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being >>>> acceptable to the looping community. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:10:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25I7BU02367; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hiss Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: <009201c521ae$11020ba0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 102, in=224, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem addressable by hardware or embedded software mods? Again, it baffles me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono" looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old effect processors. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Tom Combs [mailto:tcombs@sep.com] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss Improper in what way? A flaw in the EDP design Jesse Lucas wrote: > > My EDP is the same way. > > Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging. > > I've accepted the hiss. > > -J > > > > Tom Combs wrote: > >> Hey EDP gurus >> >> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback. >> I've tried swapping memory around - no success. The hiss is present >> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum. The hiss >> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the >> second press of RECORD to start loop playback. The hiss goes away >> when I set the MIX to dir. It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop. >> >> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse >> lately or if I'm more tuned into it. I guess this could be normal >> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being >> acceptable to the looping community. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:10:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25HrIE30249; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:59:47 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Keystroke translator In-Reply-To: <200503041730.j24HUMx01342@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-ID: References: <200503041730.j24HUMx01342@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, mrweasel wrote: > > Hi > I am looking for a small software that can transform keystrokes into other > keystrokes, while running in the background. > I have a usb notepad on my main keyboard that I use for Cubase and Reason, > but Reason won't let you configure most of the key shortcuts. > Such a program would be quite useful as my laptop is not very easy to reach > in my studio. > I got the Bome midi translator, which is already quite handy, as it can > transform midi into keystrokes, but a keystroke to keystroke translator > would be brilliant. > Cheers This isn't quite what you're asking for, but I wanted to mention it: Steim's junxion application. http://www.steim.org/steim/junxion.html "junXion is a Mac OS X data routing application that allows the connection of any USB game controller and defines, in an easy user interface, the translation of each key or joystick action into a specific MIDI event. The resulting MIDI data is then available to any audio/music software that runs on that Mac or can be send to external MIDI interfaces." I'm using junxion in an upcoming performance piece. I tested it, it works wonderfully. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 13:44:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25If2n08172; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4229FD3D.9040101@neoprimitive.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:41:01 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss References: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> <4229F474.4020901@neoprimitive.net> <4229F54E.2080706@sep.com> In-Reply-To: <4229F54E.2080706@sep.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797bebe1c93c3ee17a22496a8fb6505c17350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.232.125 Resent-Message-ID: <64_SUB.A.7-B.s0fKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Combs wrote: > Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set to > minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my part? > The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro. If there > were a gain problem associated with the output stage of the EDP, then > I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not playing.. I'm just passing on the answers which were handed to me before. Not saying I believe them or anything. You learn to live with it, or you move on and find something else that works for you. I have a preference for dirty sound, so incorporating the EDP's hiss wasn't that big a deal for me. Still, sometimes it would be nice if it was clean. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 14:45:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25J7Hr13989; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 14:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 14:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422A0279.1050404@sep.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:03:21 -0500 From: Tom Combs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss References: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> <4229F474.4020901@neoprimitive.net> <4229F54E.2080706@sep.com> <4229FD3D.9040101@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <4229FD3D.9040101@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <19xBz.A.ALD.LKgKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha...I dug through the archives and found this (see below). I did as Kim suggested (more input, less output) and now I'm getting much better performance. It makes sense to me now. Learn something new everyday... Thanks to everyone for your input. Tom http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00558.html From Kim Flint to Jesse Lucas..... At 02:48 PM 6/25/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Tell me that my gain staging is wrong, but it doesn't matter if I go >direct >in, or through a preamp. I've can have a healthy green light on the input >signal indicator and the output cranked up, but the loops always seem to >have mad hiss to them. probably your gains are set wrong. Turn the input up higher, and the output lower to compensate. If it isn't clipping or the limiter isn't obviously kicking in, you have more headroom to use. Make sure you are using the loop path for setting gains, as it has less dynamic range than the direct. If you don't use the full dynamic range, the noise floor ends up sounding relatively louder. That is probably what you are experiencing. >Not the direct signal, just the loop playback. The digital path (of anything usually) has less dynamic range than the analog path, and so will have a higher relative noise floor when compared to the analog path. kim Jesse Lucas wrote: > Tom Combs wrote: > >> Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set to >> minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my >> part? The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ >> Pro. If there were a gain problem associated with the output stage >> of the EDP, then I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not >> playing.. > > > I'm just passing on the answers which were handed to me before. Not > saying I believe them or anything. > > You learn to live with it, or you move on and find something else that > works for you. > > I have a preference for dirty sound, so incorporating the EDP's hiss > wasn't that big a deal for me. Still, sometimes it would be nice if > it was clean. > > -J > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 18:28:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j25NPXe13661; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050305232434.47477.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Slightly OT: Mac OS X guitar amp simulators To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3Zd5d.A.HUD.3-jKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Quick question here. I'm looking for some good guitar amp / effects software. I've found Native Instruments' "Guitar Rig" software, and "AmpliTube." Guitar Rig is a little pricey, and comes with a hardware foot pedal that I actually don't need because I have the Behringer midi foot controller. Is it possible to purchase that software without the foot pedal? Are there other amp or effects simulators? I can use either standalone or plug-in style effects. Just don't know what all is out there or really where to look. My style of music ranges from bluesy guitar leads to total ambient weirdness. =) Thanks. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 19:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j260GGB20391; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:16:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:16:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DIY foot controller help Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:15:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2005 00:15:54.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9CADE10:01C521E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP pedal buillding goes on. I have got all the parts assembled them and got both the record and overdub buttons working fine. the connections seem solid because all the rest of the buttons seem to ALSO PRODUCE THE OVERDUB COMMAND!!!! yikes!! I have followed all the advice i have reicieved except that i couldnt find the correct wire and i am using copper speaker wire instead would this make such a specific differance considering all the buttons work etc? could someone help, kim, andy? Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 5 21:23:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j262L7E05831; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=G/c2MKJHg/Uerf+rGqD1q6pZA2AqgvbDJMC4YuyD9SEpU57TXhBC8cHdkSZLjtU0Ok5Aws1PbYDl5bdwVgeTnkJbPXDM+Kkoq/miKXtS+nB4fRQs/pWDDHTCPkcfrpRYi9NLhR2RdbXTuIQ5zg0xcbkDCmY2C0ki8F9cRIhP/4c= Message-ID: <588ce11d05030518204a414a42@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:20:45 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Mac OS X guitar amp simulators In-Reply-To: <20050305232434.47477.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050305232434.47477.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, I did a quick search at kvraudio.com: One free amp sim that many people have given positive reviews: Mda combo http://www.mda-vst.com/ Some others (not free unfortunately): iZotope Trash: http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/trash/ Rock Amp Legends: http://www.nomadfactory.com/products/rockamp/index.html Good Luck, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:24:34 -0800 (PST), mike feeney wrote: > > Hey all, > > Quick question here. I'm looking for some good guitar > amp / effects software. I've found Native > Instruments' "Guitar Rig" software, and "AmpliTube." > Guitar Rig is a little pricey, and comes with a > hardware foot pedal that I actually don't need because > I have the Behringer midi foot controller. Is it > possible to purchase that software without the foot > pedal? > > Are there other amp or effects simulators? I can use > either standalone or plug-in style effects. Just > don't know what all is out there or really where to > look. > > My style of music ranges from bluesy guitar leads to > total ambient weirdness. =) Thanks. > > Mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 6 08:01:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j26Cw7k19177; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <422A0279.1050404@sep.com> References: <4229E543.4020900@sep.com> <4229EED3.4040202@neoprimitive.net> <4229EFC4.90103@sep.com> <4229F474.4020901@neoprimitive.net> <4229F54E.2080706@sep.com> <4229FD3D.9040101@neoprimitive.net> <422A0279.1050404@sep.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <63724194-8EA3-11D9-9BB4-000A95951FF4@optusnet.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron street Subject: Re: EDP Hiss Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:53:58 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1unifC.A.xqE.L5vKCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well i plug into a Littlelabs Instrument Distro 3.0 which is a re-amping module, with D.I. ect, and it's cut most hiss, so i don't hear my main signal through the Echo-Plex at all, only the looped signal. so i can have an Echo-plex D.I. signal, plus my main signal separate, and it's made a huge difference having that separation. http://www.littlelabs.com/ On 06/03/2005, at 5:03 AM, Tom Combs wrote: > Ha...I dug through the archives and found this (see below). I did as > Kim suggested (more input, less output) and now I'm getting much > better performance. > > It makes sense to me now. Learn something new everyday... > > Thanks to everyone for your input. > > Tom > > > > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00558.html > > From Kim Flint to Jesse Lucas..... > > At 02:48 PM 6/25/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> Tell me that my gain staging is wrong, but it doesn't matter if I go >> direct >> in, or through a preamp. I've can have a healthy green light on the >> input >> signal indicator and the output cranked up, but the loops always seem >> to >> have mad hiss to them. > > probably your gains are set wrong. Turn the input up higher, and the > output lower to compensate. If it isn't clipping or the limiter isn't > obviously kicking in, you have more headroom to use. Make sure you are > using the loop path for setting gains, as it has less dynamic range > than the direct. If you don't use the full dynamic range, the noise > floor ends up sounding relatively louder. That is probably what you > are experiencing. > >> Not the direct signal, just the loop playback. > > The digital path (of anything usually) has less dynamic range than the > analog path, and so will have a higher relative noise floor when > compared to the analog path. > > > > > > > > kim > > > > Jesse Lucas wrote: > >> Tom Combs wrote: >> >>> Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set >>> to minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my >>> part? The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ >>> Pro. If there were a gain problem associated with the output stage >>> of the EDP, then I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not >>> playing.. >> >> >> I'm just passing on the answers which were handed to me before. Not >> saying I believe them or anything. >> >> You learn to live with it, or you move on and find something else >> that works for you. >> >> I have a preference for dirty sound, so incorporating the EDP's hiss >> wasn't that big a deal for me. Still, sometimes it would be nice if >> it was clean. >> >> -J >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 6 12:35:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j26HX0S25553; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:33:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:33:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Littlelabs Instrument Distro 3.0 (was RE: EDP Hiss) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:32:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <63724194-8EA3-11D9-9BB4-000A95951FF4@optusnet.com.au> Thread-Index: AcUiTFF+eb5EFkKCRYyHL0ANSU4vRwAJd8Eg Message-Id: <20050306173219.IEVQ18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a thousand dollars! Boy this stuff can add up, huh! Gary -----Original Message----- From: cameron street [mailto:cameronstreet@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hiss Well i plug into a Littlelabs Instrument Distro 3.0 which is a re-amping module, with D.I. ect, and it's cut most hiss, so i don't hear my main signal through the Echo-Plex at all, only the looped signal. so i can have an Echo-plex D.I. signal, plus my main signal separate, and it's made a huge difference having that separation. http://www.littlelabs.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 6 22:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j273RvM13553; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:27:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OZkK7CXnW8ihP2HOG9fbb9icy2mUChexCJAMVWvL8MwvQ8l9YWAIFLCRrYg3v2SmGpQAJFGJzDD3aZ+g+WuskFMrbBGBFExdAKFbVWGOA70+JudqKkkyE/l19CyTDRtMukGhwKcKUBTrmDBp/GNm0TapONyAVLZnkxJSAYbGqyk= ; Message-ID: <20050307032732.97723.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:27:32 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: A few free Lexicon midi editors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Software midi editors for the following Lexicons: Reflex, LXP-1, PCM 90, MPX 1. I found this whilst surfing. I have not tried any of them. Just thought I'd FIY the loop crowd here. (I emailed the creator to see if any would work with my PCM 80, and it is not possible. Oh well.) Windows only. Freeware. http://home.comcast.net/~wazware/midi.htm =RANDY= __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 01:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j276Yxl16906; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:34:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:34:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10200775.1110177217000.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:33:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kim Galibert Reply-To: Kim Galibert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: video: ableton live as an 8X replacement for the lexicon jam man Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have ableton live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact it is like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together. this is the result: http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv or http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs. note: this video makes me feel like the star wars kid. perhaps it will serve to keep me humble. equipment/technical: live 4 line6 echo pro delay rode nt1a mic evolution uc-33 behringer bass v-amp pro behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller alesis qs7.1 i use pedals 1-8 to fire the slot buttons for tracks 1-8, which are also set for monitor off. pedals 9 and 10 move the scene up or down. i am using 2 measure quantization, although sometimes i switch it down to one. track 11 monitors the live audio. i've always had a soft spot for the electrix repeater, and have been heard to spout "from my cold dying hands" in reference to my jamman (now gone to ebay). but ableton live is absolutely insane. worse than cocaine. like sneaking up on god and licking her on the back. try live before you buy a hardware looper. a guy named kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 09:57:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Et9T31321; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050305232434.47477.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050305232434.47477.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7ab381e8086e3dc641b0e33676db3ee8@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Mac OS X guitar amp simulators Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:54:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably not the answer you're looking for, but Logic Pro 7 has a good guitar amp simulator built in it. It does cost a lot, but in one fell swoop you've covered amp/cab sims, several excellent soft synths, IR and "traditional" reverbs, a healthy supplu of plug-ins, sequencing and multitracking. When you factor in all that other stuff the $1000 price tag doesn't seem so bad. Unless, of course, you've met all these other needs already. Jeff Evans On Mar 5, 2005, at 5:24 PM, mike feeney wrote: > > Hey all, > > Quick question here. I'm looking for some good guitar > amp / effects software. I've found Native > Instruments' "Guitar Rig" software, and "AmpliTube." > Guitar Rig is a little pricey, and comes with a > hardware foot pedal that I actually don't need because > I have the Behringer midi foot controller. Is it > possible to purchase that software without the foot > pedal? > > Are there other amp or effects simulators? I can use > either standalone or plug-in style effects. Just > don't know what all is out there or really where to > look. > > My style of music ranges from bluesy guitar leads to > total ambient weirdness. =) Thanks. > > Mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 10:50:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Flde06884; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:47:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <329916e7308cca8b587e075ea68380f0@mindspring.com> <422752EF.2090505@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: New free looping software: Musolomo Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:45:56 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can't seem to get the link to work will keep persisting though geoff On 3 Mar 2005, at 18:29, Per Boysen wrote: > It's been out for some weeks now but since I didn't see any post in > that here I'm sending the URL to the list: http://www.plasq.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > Jeff Williams Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 11:34:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27GVq517337; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:31:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:31:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:31:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <10200775.1110177217000.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUi3/X9KiRV6RMmSDO5adq2mBapnQAUeu2g Message-Id: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <5CBnlC.A.uME.dHILCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim G-- Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton Live but this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob! Points off for: Sitting down and headphones. Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!) How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G is probably at home) to loop? Good day, Gary -----Original Message----- From: Kim Galibert [mailto:kim@pipeline.com] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: video: ableton live as an 8X replacement for the lexicon jam man after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have ableton live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact it is like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together. this is the result: http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv or http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 11:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27GrF421718; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:53:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:53:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,143,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="838062866:sNHT14748812" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <54DB634E-8F29-11D9-B72F-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? AND video: ableton live Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:52:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HaHa....first thing I noticed on this excellent little clip; pos'tively warmed me heart, it did! Brothers in toes...maybe we need to rename our group the bare feats...nice work; cozy set-up; thanks, Kim! dc On Mar 7, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > How many people remove their shoes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 11:58:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27GuIg22512; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:56:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:55:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i always find it easier to turn the knobs on my dl4 with my shoes off - those recessed dials... cheers bruce On Mar 7, 2005, at 11:31 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Kim G-- > Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton Live > but > this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob! > Points off for: Sitting down and headphones. > Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!) > How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G > is > probably at home) to loop? > Good day, > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Galibert [mailto:kim@pipeline.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: video: ableton live as an 8X replacement for the lexicon jam > man > > after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have > ableton > live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact > it is > like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together. > > this is the result: > http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv > > or > > http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov > > all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs. > > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 12:13:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27H9r425422; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:09:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422C8A0D.5030701@speakeasy.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:06:21 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) References: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Noh-B.A.NMG.IrILCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I never play with shoes on...and I'm careful to only use a single toe on my EDP+ footpedal...anything more might break those extra heavy duty switches :-) ps: loved the video...very warm and happy feeling to the whole thing...a nice way to start of my Monday morning...Thanks Kim for sharing it! Dennis bruce tovsky wrote: > i always find it easier to turn the knobs on my dl4 > with my shoes off - those recessed dials... > cheers > bruce > > On Mar 7, 2005, at 11:31 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> Kim G-- >> Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton >> Live but >> this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob! >> Points off for: Sitting down and headphones. >> Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!) >> How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G is >> probably at home) to loop? >> Good day, >> Gary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Galibert [mailto:kim@pipeline.com] >> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:34 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: video: ableton live as an 8X replacement for the lexicon jam >> man >> >> after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have >> ableton >> live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact >> it is >> like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together. >> >> this is the result: >> http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv >> >> or >> >> http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov >> >> all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs. >> >> >> >> > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 12:16:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27HCUc26074; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:12:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:12:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:11:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2005 17:11:56.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[C41D6A50:01C52338] Resent-Message-ID: <3590XD.A.OVG.itILCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com shoes off for me has become a very important performance element for me my last fine art project was me phill wilson as an artist looking at me blackface as a performer and the work created came form looking at the changes and differances of the two roles. part of the way that i seperated the two differant roles in my life was by adding ritualistic elements to the musical performance. one of these elements was taking off my shoes, therefore bare feet, empty shoes and footprints all became symbolic of my transformatiion into a musician as did my decicion to always wear red on stage and never in "real life" . there are of course the practical aspects of having no shoes in tat its easier to hit the buttons. I do still wear socks though co si have very seperate toes and if a button slips between two toes its good ot have the sock material there to catch it. Philll Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 12:36:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27HYcJ29998; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:34:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) In-Reply-To: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Message-ID: References: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Kim G-- > Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton Live but > this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob! > Points off for: Sitting down and headphones. > Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!) > How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G is > probably at home) to loop? > Good day, > Gary Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 12:43:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27HexJ31374; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:40:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:40:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.2.223] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A poll--shoes off? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:40:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2005 17:40:30.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1CA07A0:01C5233C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always wear rubber soled shoes if I'm using A.C. I don't want to become ground. When playing through low voltage D.C. solar systems (solar electric systems that is) it's not an issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 12:46:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27HiM132321; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:44:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MgGxbu8NXcZv4yQC1YtTCuusdIj1G33PAwLhW/5JQl4+Bvna05+DFpWWhKHQAWgzcMniiA/RV6BC2GhFyhx4NfdtOMD1w16/IFQoOhdupEXBVpVOla73pzkW0ayFW2NWNe8tHvfYFWG2RSHLO6FArD3vYfSrWfUlKKbpjUmfj1E= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:43:24 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A brief look at the floors of most of the places I play kills the idea of going shoeless. I do make sure to wear flat-soled shoes though, after having problems with EDP switches ending up in between tread elements on Doc Marten type shoes. And after hundreds of shows, I've never broken an EDP switch. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:05 -0500 (EST), burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I > perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my > timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27I3P703571; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:05 -0700 Message-Id: <200503071803.j27I35H28794@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You all might want to look at Japanese tabi boots (or ninja boots as the martial arts stores will tell you). They're basically cloth 'boots' with a big toe split from the other toes and flat rubber soles. Light, comfy, and sensitive enough to hit small switches while standing on one foot in the dark. Kevin > A brief look at the floors of most of the places I play kills the idea > of going shoeless. I do make sure to wear flat-soled shoes though, > after having problems with EDP switches ending up in between tread > elements on Doc Marten type shoes. > > And after hundreds of shows, I've never broken an EDP switch. > > > On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:05 -0500 (EST), burnett@pobox.com > wrote: > > > Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I > > perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my > > timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy. > > > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27I9Yh04990; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:09:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:09:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:09:05 -0800 Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always wear shoes onstage. That this is a good idea was confirmed on my gig last saturday. I was wearing Birkenstocks. The trumpet player knocked my beer off my bass amp, and the glass shattered. I ended up with several glass slivers in my big toe. Not fun. So I think it's back to the steel toes for me. I think I tend to play somewhat rowdier places than most of you, though :-). On Monday, March 7, 2005, at 09:43 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > A brief look at the floors of most of the places I play kills the idea > of going shoeless. I do make sure to wear flat-soled shoes though, > after having problems with EDP switches ending up in between tread > elements on Doc Marten type shoes. > > And after hundreds of shows, I've never broken an EDP switch. > > > On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:05 -0500 (EST), burnett@pobox.com > wrote: > >> Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I >> perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my >> timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:22:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27IK9909115; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:20:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:20:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:19:30 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c52342$34c18a80$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 105, in=218, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side... ...who the #!@*!# cares? It's about the music, right? Is this a show n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or just an excuse to criticize personal style? Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the Opra show. What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or not? Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play? My god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and headlines. Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes when you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What Not to Wear" folks on TV Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;) Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot switches), Boss SX-700, and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space racks, and one four space rack. I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop. The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if that person (you know who you are, sends me a note). I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs (greedy SOBs) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:33:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27IUjo11488; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <005701c52342$34c18a80$6801a8c0@khartung> Thread-Index: AcUjQn/edhS28K2wSZm6oOUEIeBQjAAARgtA Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton Live as a live looper? BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting rid of > others....just one step closer to going all laptop. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:35:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27IUbX11466; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:29:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUjOQHJM9YDiyoMSweNmpllHPtItgACSyyg Message-Id: <20050307182953.YHTC18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have seen performers bring oriental rugs into venues to avoid the kinds of unpleasantness Travis refers to-- Using the same shoes is good advice--the guy I learned bass pedals from made a point of always using leather soled shoes, and they have consistent response. I have tried shoes off in the home and they do help you find things easier--at one point on Thursday (my fill-in at the Radisson playing to drunken tourists) I missed the loop pedal, as it is dark under the piano and I just couldn't see--but I was relaxed and didn't let it interrupt. Shoes off would have helped--and it was clean and carpeted. I would like to remind everyone of Andre LaFosse's upcoming dates--they are: Tuesday, March 8, 2005 Los Angeles, CA: Level One 6311 Wilshire Blvd. (near Crescent Heights) 8:00 PM | $5 Playing solo and with Chris Opperman's band. :| NEW YORK CITY, MARCH 2005 |: Tuesday, March 15 NYC: Galapagos 10:00 PM | Free admission (with Triphazard and Sarge) Wednesday, March 16 NYC: CB's 313 Gallery 9:00 PM | $5 (with Triphazard and Sarge) March 18, 19 and 20, 2005 NYC: The Monkey Show times: 8:00 PM on the 18th and 19th, 4:00 PM on the 20th $15 in advance, $20 walk-up Three nights of solo gigs at Dominic Frasca's Manhattan performance space, using five Echoplexes simultaneously in a 5.1 surround sound environment! Best of luck Andre! The entire future of looping live rests on your shoulders! Gary PS Andre wears shoes. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:37:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27IY8G12333; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Xprbh45922osc7ThQ0Lpcuwm2vv0ZOEmSQmq8vdt092c8wRSUkqzPrk9pdEiFFyHVoxlW7G32RzA6H74KXK4PW0nMh79Gu1HaokP9N7Cb3TxnRv5rcS2MyFw3MjZQRtQIT8PevQ5atDhXBBpnTqR4VWbSGkH7enA8mVrJpfM9SU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:33:44 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <005701c52342$34c18a80$6801a8c0@khartung> <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw McLaughlin on the last Remembering Shakti tour, and he was using a laptop and a couple of those Sony multieffectors he's been using for some time. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:20 -0500, hazard factor wrote: > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I > heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton > Live as a live looper? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:40:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27IbRu13093; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:37:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:37:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZEc8Yym4KDJoOPkrdqJbvz44vbwUJL1Rzx8Dhp2RK1sj/xIevRU/oWDz3beTPky3vDqVKGauTvsOaCYpbaVnD6Nm4Ax8rwpeBLig5NAvlwPiiQ3kf1TorlgMXfENTeDp1Lz2Of0YkZuKqoAtGm5WAHt9mSYGP4IHXgFacvjUFew= ; Message-ID: <20050307183600.94024.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my bands does put down an area rug. For one thing, it's nice to run all your cables and put a rug over it because it hides the cable mess. The only visible cables are the ones going to our instruments. Plus when you supply the floor, you always know what you're walking on. =) Mike --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I have seen performers bring oriental rugs into > venues to avoid the kinds of > unpleasantness Travis refers to-- > Using the same shoes is good advice--the guy I > learned bass pedals from made > a point of always using leather soled shoes, and > they have consistent > response. > I have tried shoes off in the home and they do help > you find things > easier--at one point on Thursday (my fill-in at the > Radisson playing to > drunken tourists) I missed the loop pedal, as it is > dark under the piano and > I just couldn't see--but I was relaxed and didn't > let it interrupt. Shoes > off would have helped--and it was clean and > carpeted. > > I would like to remind everyone of Andre LaFosse's > upcoming dates--they are: > > Tuesday, March 8, 2005 > Los Angeles, CA: Level One > 6311 Wilshire Blvd. (near Crescent Heights) > 8:00 PM | $5 > Playing solo and with Chris Opperman's band. > > :| NEW YORK CITY, MARCH 2005 |: > Tuesday, March 15 > NYC: Galapagos > 10:00 PM | Free admission > (with Triphazard and Sarge) > > Wednesday, March 16 > NYC: CB's 313 Gallery > 9:00 PM | $5 > (with Triphazard and Sarge) > > March 18, 19 and 20, 2005 > NYC: The Monkey > Show times: 8:00 PM on the 18th and 19th, > 4:00 PM on the 20th > $15 in advance, $20 walk-up > > Three nights of solo gigs at Dominic Frasca's > Manhattan performance space, > using five Echoplexes simultaneously in a 5.1 > surround sound environment! > > Best of luck Andre! The entire future of looping > live rests on your > shoulders! > Gary > PS Andre wears shoes. > G > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:41:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27IcfS13677; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AIERr9gPpQ0rVRybST7ckf0avZ19Xk9szJwgIagUprDKOTtTszAV9rbPQgtu1i09Nz5OJEcR+j5evwDTpWLg3ypBm7Omck/6WQ24ll6qn6ituybk8zqkSm0OhmzNExjQnySvH9bQM13Do7Y9XyJP5ZB64Vef6lkmi9YHBydYhig= ; Message-ID: <20050307183716.20843.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is where I'm heading. I have just about everything in order, running on my Macs at home. Now I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. =) Mike --- hazard factor wrote: > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a > line-out to the PA? I > heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone > at least use Abelton > Live as a live looper? > > BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots > are up to date. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting > rid of > > others....just one step closer to going all > laptop. > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:43:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27IfZ014604; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:41:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:41:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20050307183600.94024.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUjROzynCKCjKCpSo6wjMnLYrM+YwAAC1/Q Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1D8N9m1WTZ-0007Qs@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <-jIKO.A.ZeD.sAKLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but then you have to carry around a rug..... Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > One of my bands does put down an area rug. For one thing, > it's nice to run all your cables and put a rug over it > because it hides the cable mess. The only visible cables are > the ones going to our instruments. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:46:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Ig2Q14893; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:42:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:42:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:41:40 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c52345$4d48cf20$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 104, in=234, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Must have been the Sony M5s? I heard he used these...I've never been able to find one. I heard they are 64 bit. I'd like to find out what he is using on the laptop for software. Should have know McLaughlin would be leading the edge in jazz. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) I saw McLaughlin on the last Remembering Shakti tour, and he was using a laptop and a couple of those Sony multieffectors he's been using for some time. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:20 -0500, hazard factor wrote: > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the > PA? I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use > Abelton Live as a live looper? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 13:50:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Il4P15945; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:47:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:47:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <005701c52342$34c18a80$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <005701c52342$34c18a80$6801a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:46:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm... someone needs to lighten up.... On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where > headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side... > > ...who the #!@*!# cares? It's about the music, right? Is this a show > n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or just an > excuse > to criticize personal style? > > Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the > Opra show. What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or > not? Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play? My > god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of > spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and > headlines. Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes > when > you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What > Not to Wear" folks on TV > > Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;) > > Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot > switches), Boss SX-700, and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up > until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space > racks, and one four space rack. I'm using my laptop for some effects, > and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop. > The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if > that > person (you know who you are, sends me a note). > > I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out > of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs > (greedy SOBs) > > Kris > > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 14:11:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27J9HW19418; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:09:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:09:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:07:58 +0100 From: numbernine X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Reply-To: numbernine X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1896040605.20050307200758@gmx.net> To: hazard factor Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hf> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I hf> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton hf> Live as a live looper? hf> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date. hf> Dave Eichenberger hf> http://www.hazardfactor.com I go *all laptop*. I play hurdy gurdy, so I have to go to a specially deviced preamp, which has some mixer possibilities, go to the laptop via RME, back to the mixer (only for getting a balanced signal, and where a Jamman is inserted) and to the PA. I did all FX in Cubase SX now I change to Bidule. When I play only with basic looping functions (record, overdub, start/stop) I don't need the screen. My laptop is somewhere below the stage and closed. Now I try to get on with mobius to get rid of my jamman and do all with the laptop (just with stereo multitrack looping, mhmmm). I have used this setup for maybe 50 gigs now, and it always worked (once or twice I had to restart at soundcheck) I played in Africa with Voltage between 150 and 250, my jamman screw up, the rme and the laptop still played. And although I really (!) had no problems yet, I'm still scared before going on stage. Once I had to play at a festival in Australia (with about 25.000 people in the audience) and soundcheck was at noon, it was 40 degree celcius on stage and the gig was at midnight. I had twelve hours of sweating, not because of the heat, just worrying if my gear works and the laptop was melting down or not. the only good thing is that I'm not nervous about playing anymore. For safety reasons to avoid clicks I still play at 6ms latency, and wish to go down to 3 but maybe it needs next generation hardware. My laptop is nearly three years old now. regards, Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 14:12:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27J9Mf19423; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:09:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:09:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cX1Rk26PxVCl7GDTZtLp0a6P0EofcZadL9oO2ObnbK+ug+rI7gw0MEVeNHEAwJEjh7G99GkMW0hxoJr4Wtc4l0XUgCWdR/T3FO4GGDVN5U2Nl4IXD7EOeEnPCJ6rYh0lZyFZ0Akt5YgWLPbQJXF/bpldycgnIcRrNeR7uWcECOA= ; Message-ID: <20050307190854.36235.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:08:54 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, which is why I'm glad I'm not the one that owns the rug. =) Mike --- hazard factor wrote: > Yeah, but then you have to carry around a rug..... > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > One of my bands does put down an area rug. For > one thing, > > it's nice to run all your cables and put a rug > over it > > because it hides the cable mess. The only visible > cables are > > the ones going to our instruments. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 14:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27J8wI19359; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:08:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:08:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c52348$fc759930$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050307183716.20843.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 105, in=219, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a PC midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think it is just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to the patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run the mBox through the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be side-by-side on my rack. Kris -----Original Message----- From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) This is where I'm heading. I have just about everything in order, running on my Macs at home. Now I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. =) Mike --- hazard factor wrote: > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a > line-out to the PA? I > heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone > at least use Abelton > Live as a live looper? > > BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots > are up to date. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting > rid of > > others....just one step closer to going all > laptop. > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 14:15:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27JDKv20561; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:12:52 +0000 Message-Id: <030720051912.28436.422CA7B40003792D00006F1421979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 8 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am thinking of heading this way, too. Especially since I have strained my back carrying stuff for the last two looping gigs! I like the way my jazz setup sounds, but it's too heavy. Maybe I need to mount wheels and a handle on the pedalboard cases so I can wheel 'em around like a suitcase. I was playing around with Reaktor this weekend on my home PC, and it was really easy to get a basic looping thing going and have a pedal control it via MIDI. Even with my crappy 500 MHz PIII and Layla 20, I could get a nice low-latency (4ms) thing happening. The fact that you can totally customize everything is great. With the hardware setup I have to step on the RC-20 to stop the drum loop after the main loop gets going, but in Reaktor I could make that all automatic, AND I could have more than 22 drums beats, AND I could add my big band horns: I'm still hesitating because of the expense of a laptop, plus a new sound card (my Layla 20 won't work with the Echo PC card). But it won't be long. I'm investigating Ableton to see if that would be good for what I do. In addition to having Reaktor going, it would be cool to incorporate the B4 into it too, so I could do one-man organ trio stuff. But then I gotta bring a keyboard.... Many cool possibilities. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 14:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Jkwx29093; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:46:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:46:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:46:00 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c5234e$4a292980$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <030720051912.28436.422CA7B40003792D00006F1421979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 105, in=234, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > I am thinking of heading this way, too. Especially since I have strained my back carrying stuff for the last two looping gigs! You too? I had to leave my rack in my vehicle a few days ago, because the thought of lifting it was horrifying. 15 years ago I had a 20 space rack, and it was so heavy and big that I kept it in my living room, and ran all my audio cables, MIDI controller cables, etc...down through a hole in the basement...that way I didn't have to lift the rack far into my truck. > I like the way my jazz setup sounds, but it's too heavy. Maybe I need to mount wheels and a handle on the pedalboard cases so I can wheel 'em around like a suitcase. I have a portable dolly that works great...until you get a gig where you have a bunch of stairs to climb. Good luck on that. > I was playing around with Reaktor this weekend on my home PC, and it was really easy to get a basic looping thing going and have a pedal control it via MIDI. Can you do something equivalent to the EDP multiply? Does Live allow this? That's only function that I really need in a software program, aside from indefinite loops. > I'm still hesitating because of the expense of a laptop, plus a new sound card (my Layla 20 won't work with the Echo PC card). But it won't be long. I'm investigating Ableton to see if that would be good for what I do. In addition to having Reaktor going, it would be cool to incorporate the B4 into it too, so I could do one-man organ trio stuff. But then I gotta bring a keyboard.... Yes, the cost thing is critical. My laptop now will work, but it is a consumer based Compaq Presario 2525US laptop with a desktop processor in it (hence it is very thick and heavy). My next purchase will be a comerical grade notebook with a Centrino mobile processor and loaded to the gills with RAM, speed, etc. The only thing is that you can't typically buy a comerical grade notebook at a retailer, but directly from the manufacture....and I could pay up to $3000 for a decent unit. I'll probably buy the HP Compaq nc6230, but IBM makes a REALLY solid unit that has a good track record...it's the one that Intel's own employees use. Keep me/us posted. This week I'll start experimenting with Abeton Live for the first time! Many cool possibilities. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:26:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KNLo03990; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:23:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <006201c52348$fc759930$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <006201c52348$fc759930$6801a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <41b7c31ff19bceb5405bab48757d15b1@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:22:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <79hKG.A.T9.jgLLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use ableton live 4.1 with my g4 laptop/mbox combo. with the digi core audio driver (in os x) you can utilize the mbox ins and outs with any audio software. using pro tools draws too much cpu (for my stuff anyway) and live is friendlier in that regard. the nice thing about using pro tools is its more flexible routing possibilities using aux channels. live's send/receive architecture works fine for my purposes, i just like the pro tools structure better. the way you assign midi/keystroke controls in live is also a heck of a lot easier than with pro tools. i use a tascam us428 and a niche faderbox for midi control, though almost anything that sends midi cc messages will work just fine with live. cheers bruce On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up > using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high > quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to > RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro > Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a PC > midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think it is > just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to the > patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run the mBox through > the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be side-by-side > on my rack. > > Kris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) > > > > This is where I'm heading. I have just about > everything in order, running on my Macs at home. Now > I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. =) > > Mike > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: >> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a >> line-out to the PA? I >> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone >> at least use Abelton >> Live as a live looper? >> >> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots >> are up to date. >> >> Dave Eichenberger >> http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> >>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting >> rid of >>> others....just one step closer to going all >> laptop. >>> >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KPMk04687; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:25:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:25:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7cRLE.A.ZIB.eiLLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just added Ableton + PowerBook to my cello-Repeater rig. I'm very happy with the results (especially the sound quality!) but don't think I'll ever be able to live without the Repeater. I'm using Ableton for all the very structured, pre-composed works (still recording the individual parts live of course and just using Ableton for the automation) and then the Repeater for seat-of-the-pants pieces. and shoes = yes. On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:30 AM, hazard factor wrote: > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the > PA? I > heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use > Abelton > Live as a live looper? > > BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > >> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting rid of >> others....just one step closer to going all laptop. >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:37:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KXwN06277; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:33:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:33:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=XxdTGuxcQwzM8EGxRiU7+5jz0TYq86rkLFtQtHNVExU/IZANgHzFt/yazRJF+DaUJGYWMiPCOjSjVkoTG97uS1aIU4gS+9O7lc2sHcqTDiHtPIM4hIBAGTW46ufxWzyWhSBTqXqSFBECTBCD8UJl0asLk6K3wgAtTPY0u6Opo9s= ; Message-ID: <20050307203331.53006.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) To: khartung@cableone.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage of this kind, hosts the plug-ins, and provides a visual mixer. Runs both audio busses and software instruments. I haven't actually purchased it yet to try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously. http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/ I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to do looping with SooperLooper and to control effects, etc. So far, so good. Mike --- Kris Hartung wrote: > What software are you running to host your effect > plugins? I ended up > using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I > can use the high > quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I > bought a VST to > RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins > compatable with Pro > Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll > them. I bought a PC > midi connection device through a recommendation from > Per. I think it is > just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or > contollers to the > patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run > the mBox through > the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop > will be side-by-side > on my rack. > > Kris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A > poll--shoes off?) > > > > This is where I'm heading. I have just about > everything in order, running on my Macs at home. > Now > I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. > =) > > Mike > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with > a > > line-out to the PA? I > > heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does > anyone > > at least use Abelton > > Live as a live looper? > > > > BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots > > are up to date. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > I'm using my laptop for some effects, and > getting > > rid of > > > others....just one step closer to going all > > laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:39:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KbIn07227; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:36:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6PLMQ.A.NuB.stLLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 19:30, hazard factor wrote: > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the > PA? For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say I've gone "all laptop" for that. Still there's no software that can match the EDP for "cut up slice looping". The big advantage I see in laptop looping is that you set up pedals for transposing your live loops though different keys and chord changes. As well of having access to more effects (not many to be used at the same time, though). > I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. AFAIK John uses Logic to emulate his effect rack in the laptop (powerbook). > Does anyone at least use Abelton > Live as a live looper? No. But as the host applications for live looping plug-ins. Ableton Live is cool for looping but doesn't fit my taste for LIVE looping ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:42:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KcgH07722; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006401c5234e$4a292980$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <006401c5234e$4a292980$6801a8c0@khartung> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:37:44 -0700 To: From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: All-Laptop live? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <9mqacD.A.10B.2uLLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am thinking about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz 15") and was wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac and if so, what software they use. I am still using the Jamman with Bob Sellon's upgrade chip for looping these days, but looking to take it a little further. TIA Edwin PS I have the Live that came with Protools. Not the full version. Worth using? -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:43:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KeZj08375; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:40:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:40:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:40:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 21:25, Zoe Keating wrote: > I just added Ableton + PowerBook to my cello-Repeater rig. That's a very powerful combination! You can set up midi clips in Live 4 that control Repeater tracks dynamically. Nice! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:49:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KkJ709503; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <41b7c31ff19bceb5405bab48757d15b1@skeletonhome.com> References: <006201c52348$fc759930$6801a8c0@khartung> <41b7c31ff19bceb5405bab48757d15b1@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6e882359cda86a23a6f4ed37a436cee4@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:45:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I couldn't decide which audio interface to get. So, while taking my sweet time to make up my mind, I just hooked up the computer like any old piece of gear. I've got two outs from my preamp: one goes into the miniplug "in" of the powerbook, and the other goes to the Repeater. The only thing I've added was a midi to usb cable. Then the miniplug "out" of the powerbook goes into my little mixer that lives at the end of the signal chain. It's worked fine for all of the 4 weeks I've been doing it (and I still can't decide which portable audio interface to get). Is this insane? On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:22 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > i use ableton live 4.1 with my g4 laptop/mbox combo. > with the digi core audio driver (in os x) you can utilize > the mbox ins and outs with any audio software. using > pro tools draws too much cpu (for my stuff anyway) and > live is friendlier in that regard. the nice thing about using > pro tools is its more flexible routing possibilities using > aux channels. live's send/receive architecture works > fine for my purposes, i just like the pro tools structure > better. the way you assign midi/keystroke controls in > live is also a heck of a lot easier than with pro tools. > i use a tascam us428 and a niche faderbox for midi > control, though almost anything that sends midi cc > messages will work just fine with live. > cheers > bruce > > On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up >> using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high >> quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to >> RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro >> Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a >> PC >> midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think it >> is >> just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to the >> patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run the mBox through >> the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be side-by-side >> on my rack. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) >> >> >> >> This is where I'm heading. I have just about >> everything in order, running on my Macs at home. Now >> I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. =) >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> --- hazard factor wrote: >>> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a >>> line-out to the PA? I >>> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone >>> at least use Abelton >>> Live as a live looper? >>> >>> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots >>> are up to date. >>> >>> Dave Eichenberger >>> http://www.hazardfactor.com >>> >>> >>>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting >>> rid of >>>> others....just one step closer to going all >>> laptop. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >> http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ >> >> >> >> > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:54:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KnWu10591; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <59539e53a98763b34990f5a0199c3184@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:49:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aahhh...that's the ticket. I don't have them working in tandem yet, just mixed together as though they are separate instruments. But, clearly this is the place to go next.... Thanks! On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > You can set up midi clips in Live 4 that control Repeater tracks > dynamically. Nice! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 15:59:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Kt6Y11685; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6e882359cda86a23a6f4ed37a436cee4@zoekeating.com> References: <006201c52348$fc759930$6801a8c0@khartung> <41b7c31ff19bceb5405bab48757d15b1@skeletonhome.com> <6e882359cda86a23a6f4ed37a436cee4@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:54:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 3:45 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > I couldn't decide which audio interface to get. So, while taking my > sweet time to make up my mind, I just hooked up the computer like any > old piece of gear. I've got two outs from my preamp: one goes into the > miniplug "in" of the powerbook, and the other goes to the Repeater. > The only thing I've added was a midi to usb cable. Then the miniplug > "out" of the powerbook goes into my little mixer that lives at the end > of the signal chain. It's worked fine for all of the 4 weeks I've been > doing it (and I still can't decide which portable audio interface to > get). Is this insane? not in the slightest. why not use the built-in audio ports? granted, they don't have the quality of a dedicated hardware box (you get what you pay for) but in a pinch i have used my miniplug out for shows without a complaint. if it works without any annoying hums, buzzes or clicks go for it. (this is not to say that you wouldn't get hums, buzzes and clicks with an outboard box as well.) cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 16:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27KuFx12005; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:56:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <006401c5234e$4a292980$6801a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:55:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 21:37, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am > thinking about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz > 15") and was wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac and > if so, what software they use. > > I am still using the Jamman with Bob Sellon's upgrade chip for looping > these days, but looking to take it a little further. If you like the feedback/overdub looping style of the Jamman you might like to check out Sooperlooper. It's also fun to play around with different combinations of software. I found one set-up that I know I will go back to many times. It's Ableton Live as the AU host and provider of reverb, AU plug-in Augustus Loop from Expert Sleepers and finally the effect suite Pluggo from Cycling74. Here's a first-take guitar impro as an audio example of that combo, running two Augustus loopers going through Pluggos "SpeedShifter" and "Rye". The Augustus Loopers are pitch shifted from midi foot pedals while playing and looping. http://www.looproom.com/Future_Leadership_Hits/ Looking_For_The_Positive_Si.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 16:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27L0g812882; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:00:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <59539e53a98763b34990f5a0199c3184@zoekeating.com> References: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> <59539e53a98763b34990f5a0199c3184@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <11ddf621cf19bc80d34ad8e24247d7b6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:59:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 21:49, Zoe Keating wrote: > aahhh...that's the ticket. I don't have them working in tandem yet, > just mixed together as though they are separate instruments. But, > clearly this is the place to go next.... > > Thanks! > > On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> You can set up midi clips in Live 4 that control Repeater tracks >> dynamically. Nice! > If I had a Repeater I would use it for all looping, because it has overdub, feedback and time-stretch/transpose. Then I would use a midi pedal to trigger Live clips that send the data to the four Repeater tracks to transpose into certain chord changes. That would be awesome! Live is so much more convenient to program than a FCB1010!!! / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 16:05:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27L2F713085; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:02:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:02:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <158.4c0aa3ef.2f5e1b23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:01:23 EST Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? 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März 2005 22:14 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Unsubscribe I would like to unsubscribe, this is not what i do. I dont want to waste anyones time as well as get all of these e-mails that have nothing to do with me. Thank you! Andre S. Hunter CEO/Founder D-lux Entertainment www.d-luxentertainment.com (630) 518-8698 "Success comes from one who has made someone else just as successful, wisdom comes from an open mind to receive wisdom from someone you least expect, & love is available when you no longer look for it!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 16:23:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27LLvV16678; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:21:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050307210903.02b81eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:21:35 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: DIY foot controller help In-Reply-To: <200503071813.j27IDXj05743@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503071813.j27IDXj05743@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >could someone help, kim, andy? what you need is a resistance meter, ( = ohm meter) Then you would be able to work out what's happening. the speaker wire should be OK, unless it's very bad speaker wire. You could try pluging a lead into the footcontroller socket, and then putting resistors across it to check if that worked right. andy ...and hopefully Matthias and/or Kim can be more help From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 16:24:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27LKdx16479; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:20:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:20:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <030720051912.28436.422CA7B40003792D00006F1421979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> References: <030720051912.28436.422CA7B40003792D00006F1421979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4f1f747caf53fee558a814eaa2de9756@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:20:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:12 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > to having Reaktor going, it would be cool to incorporate the B4 into > it too, > so I could do one-man organ trio stuff. But then I gotta bring a > keyboard.... so does this mean that we can have a duel of the looping organ trios? Me on my Hammond C2, Liberation, and PCM-80 with the drums and guitar of the Suit & Tie Guy Band, and you on the other side of the stage with your laptop, custom-design Reaktor patches and highly-modified guitars. we'll play isaac hayes and gay synth pop tunes and you can play "four on six". we will counter with "summertime" in dub, you will fire back with something that requires more skill to play, such as "lazy bird". this pattern will continue until everyone at the event leaves. if i get desperate, and feel there is no hope ... i may play "my funny valentine" in the Jimmy Smith style with LH melody and RH chords. there will be no man left standing when our duel of the organ trios is complete. at the end of the gig, we will both get paid standard jazz gig money: 5 dollars from the bar and 2 drink tickets. how about somewhere between Peoria and Champaign, like The Yankee Doodle in Bloomington or perhaps the Farmer City VFW? We can assemble a non-partisan judging committee of jazz organists, loopers, Donny Heitler, and the whole Bridgewater family to judge the event. If you win, i'll give you my GR-300 so you can turn it into a second Moog Modular controller for Pogo Studios. If i win, you have to fix my GR-300 and give it back to me. so let me know when you get that keyboard going and we can have the central IL jazz cutting contest of the century. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 16:46:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Lh8R19942; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:43:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:43:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rne56chsZZXTOS5QbC7dw1CeqMc58mGBQnA2npqjLmwZ9zD9iAKCs5CRu4n16yq+V4ju0LMF7gBpYLjgA3TKLAZ1jdf0f9gMIOFosE2/aycsM1n9+dcuI2aQx2nQBwpjlU51IwKkac/7i2MLIUGGB6xYgZd+FyuKB+yZ8baIZzQ= ; Message-ID: <20050307214153.26399.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: or shoes on and g-strings on...? (wasA poll--shoes off? ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6SpY1D.A.g1E.nqMLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what about shoes on and g-strings on?for those of you loopers who feel ignored and want more attention... cheers Luis --- David Trenkel wrote: > I always wear shoes onstage. That this is a good > idea was confirmed on > my gig last saturday. I was wearing Birkenstocks. > The trumpet player > knocked my beer off my bass amp, and the glass > shattered. I ended up > with several glass slivers in my big toe. Not fun. > So I think it's back >> www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 17:11:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27M6R823217; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr6 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:05:12 +0900 To: Loopers Delight From: Sunao Inami Subject: New CD release HASLER << >> INAMI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD, sorry for OT.. This is my new CD release information. I collaborated with Swiss trumpeter/electronic musician,Werner Hasler. http://www.manufactur.ch/ in this time,our method is exchange sample sketches via private FTP server. Then result electronica/ambient music we made.. TRANSMIT HASLER << >> INAMI MANUFACTURED AUDIO mf audio#003 (CD only) some details and mail order available: http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/ WERNER HASLER trumpet,various synth recorded at Horsaal,Bern,Switzerland www.wernerhasler.com SUNAO INAMI reaktor,absynth recorded at CAVE Studio,Kobe,Japan www.cavestudio.com All tracks arranged,produced and mixed by Werner Hasler, expect M5R2 taken from DELAYED remix by Sunao Inami Sunao and I met face-to-face for no more than ten minutes - somewhere in a culb.We ware introduced,had a chat,and then split,agreeing to exchange some of our work:we have not met since. The music in Transmit came from the agreed upload Sunao to me. We have not talked about it,and neither did we construct any common musical plans. The file come just one way - to me - so there was no collaboration on what has happened with it since. I downloaded sounds,soundscapes and half-finished tunes of his,and I uploaded my work in return. After downloading the file,I listened before I cut and shaped his sounds,taking extracts and looping parts. I added my own sounds from different sources,such as a diverse set of treatments from my trumpet recordings,various samplings,and some analogue synthesizing.I created arrangements by playing with sound,colours,cutting some of them and putting the whole thing in a frame of rhythm and melody - or using what I created as a frame for additional rhythms and melodies. The unguided and unrestricted use of Sunao's very personal ideas,which ware unfamiliar to me,was a very refreshing way to work.This music began from the ideas of a very real person,yet developed with that person as only virtual partner - pure input and no restriction. Sunao produced the recordings,DELAYED (electr-ohm released in Japan 2004,using the sounds and beats of Rick Walker,Roberto Zorzi,Slacknote and Werner Hasler) Werner Hasler Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 17:57:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27MtKT00865; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:55:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:54:50 +0000 Message-Id: <030720052254.18256.422CDBBA000D2B990000475021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 8 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <1uczKB.A.FM.DvNLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:12 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Moog Modular controller for Pogo Studios. If i win, you have to fix my > GR-300 and give it back to me. > > so let me know when you get that keyboard going and we can have the > central IL jazz cutting contest of the century. > --- > Eric Williamson LOL! You're on. I need to check out your mp3's your band sounds pretty cool. I'll have to wait till I'm at home and not behind a firewall that blocks mp3s. Dunno what Donny Heitler and the Bridgewaters would think of looping, I have a feeling they wouldn't approve...especially if you're replacing an entire big band with a computer. Oh well, that never stopped me before! Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 18:46:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Ndxm10080; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:39:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:39:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <030720052254.18256.422CDBBA000D2B990000475021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> References: <030720052254.18256.422CDBBA000D2B990000475021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <22f23b2b8063391bd926431fb5717274@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:39:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 4:54 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Dunno what Donny Heitler and the Bridgewaters would think of looping, > I have > a feeling they wouldn't approve...especially if you're replacing an > entire > big band with a computer. Oh well, that never stopped me before! Donny Heitler has attended 2 of my looping gigs here in Peoria. btw, i'm going to send you an email about the Pogo Moog. i'm going to come down to Chammbanna and purchase an hour or two of playtime with it and Mark thinks you'd like being there too.. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 18:51:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j27Nn2t11561; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:49:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:49:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c5235b$5a5fc8b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000a01c5235b$5a5fc8b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:48:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: AW: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:19 PM +0100 3/7/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >"wisdom comes from reading subscribe/unsubscribe information carefully, >e.g. on www.loopers-deligh.com" Success comes from typing URLs correctly: http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html -C -- _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | Enhanced Audio Solutions: cbm@beatnik.com | http://www.beatnik.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 19:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j280Exp17643; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:14:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:14:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:21:26 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) To: Message-id: <001701c52374$c573b440$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <0wjxtD.A.XTE.t5OLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Definitely SHOES ON. The stages I seem to play are no place to take off your shoes!! Anyway, I think playing in Boston "shoes off" would be considered a little twee. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 19:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j280Q3G19470; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:26:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:26:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:32:11 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) To: Message-id: <002201c52376$453d8560$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <005701c52342$34c18a80$6801a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: <_6Uf3B.A.ppE.xDPLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris - Yeah it's about the music -- and yeah this is a kind of silly topic. And silly can be fun too. And informative. Thing is, if you think people don't have feelings and impressions about your music based on how you look, how you act, and how you speak, then you're fooling yourself, mate. If your really good, people will forgive shortcomings *they perceive* in how you look, how you act and how you speak. Or not. People are that way. Unpredictable. I'm not saying you should change how you are -- but it's good to be aware of what impressions you are making. Where I play, I would never consider performing shoes off, rack in front of me and sitting down with headphones. I'm not sure I'm good enough to overcome all the collected prejudices I feel my audiences have towards these things. I'm in Boston. Tough fucking crowds here dude. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) > Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where > headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side... > > ...who the #!@*!# cares? It's about the music, right? Is this a show > n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or just an excuse > to criticize personal style? > > Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the > Opra show. What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or > not? Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play? My > god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of > spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and > headlines. Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes when > you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What > Not to Wear" folks on TV > > Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;) > > Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot > switches), Boss SX-700, and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up > until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space > racks, and one four space rack. I'm using my laptop for some effects, > and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop. > The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if that > person (you know who you are, sends me a note). > > I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out > of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs > (greedy SOBs) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 19:34:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j280WnR21204; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:38:48 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) To: Message-id: <003301c52377$31c67fe0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <005d01c52345$4d48cf20$6801a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I saw Shakti (maybe 4years ago now????) I have to confess I was disappointed by McLauglin's "chorus + FX fuzz" sound with no amp. It was limp. He sounded so 1980's. Logistically, I know it must be far simplier to travel and to control on stage, but it sure didn't sound cutting edge to me. To my ears he would have sounded so much more compelling with a straight guitar sound from a small Marshall 50-watt amp. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) > Must have been the Sony M5s? I heard he used these...I've never been > able to find one. I heard they are 64 bit. I'd like to find out what he > is using on the laptop for software. Should have know McLaughlin would > be leading the edge in jazz. > > Kris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:34 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) > > > I saw McLaughlin on the last Remembering Shakti tour, and he was using a > laptop and a couple of those Sony multieffectors he's been using for > some time. > > > On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:20 -0500, hazard factor > wrote: > > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the > > PA? I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use > > > Abelton Live as a live looper? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 19:37:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j280ZPi22330; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:35:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:35:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: <007b01c52376$a61ae260$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <41b7c31ff19bceb5405bab48757d15b1@skeletonhome.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 105, in=235, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn, this topic has generated a lot of replies...I'm behind. I realized that I have the version of Live that is ready to integrate with Pro Tools LE. It is Live Digidesign Version 2.1. I'll check it out and see if it works....anything to avoid using my sound card, which is very bad. I agree, the routing capabilities with Pro Tools are excellent. Basically, each channel has 5 effect inserts, and five buss inserts. Each buss insert can link to a buss fader with 5 effect inserted in it, and so on. I can also create more than one fader for the same instrument, with different effect configurations, muting those I want to use or not, etc. I don't have a CPU problem with ProTools, but we'll see what happens when I load Live and a bunch of VST plugin. I have a 2.4ghz processor...we'll see. Kris -----Original Message----- From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) i use ableton live 4.1 with my g4 laptop/mbox combo. with the digi core audio driver (in os x) you can utilize the mbox ins and outs with any audio software. using pro tools draws too much cpu (for my stuff anyway) and live is friendlier in that regard. the nice thing about using pro tools is its more flexible routing possibilities using aux channels. live's send/receive architecture works fine for my purposes, i just like the pro tools structure better. the way you assign midi/keystroke controls in live is also a heck of a lot easier than with pro tools. i use a tascam us428 and a niche faderbox for midi control, though almost anything that sends midi cc messages will work just fine with live. cheers bruce On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up > using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high > quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to > RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro > Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a > PC midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think > it is just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to > the patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run the mBox > through the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be > side-by-side on my rack. > > Kris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) > > > > This is where I'm heading. I have just about > everything in order, running on my Macs at home. Now > I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. =) > > Mike > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: >> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the >> PA? I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone >> at least use Abelton >> Live as a live looper? >> >> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots >> are up to date. >> >> Dave Eichenberger >> http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> >>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting >> rid of >>> others....just one step closer to going all >> laptop. >>> >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 20:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2817Px29149; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:06:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcUjVaeK4MSAZq9vQLiTiZ9o3MPgMAAJTNOA Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1D8TAh3ZTD-0001mv@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and reverse functions? I could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?) Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say > I've gone "all laptop" for that. Still there's no software > that can match the EDP for "cut up slice looping". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 20:26:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j281OD332401; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:24:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:24:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422CFEA1.4040202@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:23:45 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) References: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1D8Mzh249F-0007ID@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But... then... where do the stompboxes and the 12AX7's go? Dig hazard factor wrote: >So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I >heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton >Live as a live looper? > >BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > >> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting rid of >>others....just one step closer to going all laptop. >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 21:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2829g908327; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:09:37 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Shameless Mobius plug (was All-Laptop live??) In-reply-to: <0MKz5u-1D8TAh3ZTD-0001mv@mrelay.perfora.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <422D0961.4070008@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <0MKz5u-1D8TAh3ZTD-0001mv@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8idVAC.A.9AC.OlQLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may be interested in Mobius, which you can download at www.zonemobius.com. To my knowledge it implements more of the EDP features than any other software looper, it certainly does the ones you list (and I would imagine more of them than most people will ever use :-) It runs standalone or as a VST plugin. Jeff hazard factor wrote: > > Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and reverse > functions? I could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?) > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > >>For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say >>I've gone "all laptop" for that. Still there's no software >>that can match the EDP for "cut up slice looping". > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 21:21:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j282Hk409831; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:17:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:17:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=SFfqS4a4s2lruYw4p9IWcxc5byTqMYQrEA18eFBHnkk6pH4ukO1Ye1DS9e68YAOp; Message-ID: <410-2200532822553730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tough Beantown crowdsRe: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:25:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404729ff96e261290f507c091340606209350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Tough fucking crowds here dude." F***kin'-A right, Bubba! Bosstown crowds can be 'wikkid pissa' tough. Closed-minded. Rude. Cold. BUT NOT AS COLD, JADED, OR CYNICAL AS YOUR TYPICAL CLUB OWNER OR BOOKING AGENT, HOWEVER. A tough Boston/Summaville/Cambridge crowd can be won over, can even become warm and friendly if they take a liking to you, but if Mister "I-hate-everything-and-everybody-and-I-just-wanna-book-my-friends'-bands" Booking Guy doesn't wanna take a chance on you, it stops right there, and you've either gotta try another club, or wait until the management gets tired of Mister Jaded and hopefully replaces him with someone who will at least give you one gig to prove yourself. Boston clubs, by and large, have no built-in crowd, depending entirely on the band to bring people in and make up for the club's lack of advertising and/or suboptimal location. Otherwise, it's just the "regulars," a bunch of 5 or 6 hard-core juicers that make Barney from the Simpsons seem lucid. But given the choice between putting up with this half-assed bullsh*t and not playing out at all, of course I choose to play. We play. It's what we do. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: > Date: 3/7/2005 7:26:18 PM > Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) > > Kris - > > Yeah it's about the music -- and yeah this is a kind of silly topic. And > silly can be fun too. And informative. > > Thing is, if you think people don't have feelings and impressions about your > music based on how you look, how you act, and how you speak, then you're > fooling yourself, mate. > > If your really good, people will forgive shortcomings *they perceive* in how > you look, how you act and how you speak. Or not. People are that way. > Unpredictable. I'm not saying you should change how you are -- but it's > good to be aware of what impressions you are making. > > Where I play, I would never consider performing shoes off, rack in front of > me and sitting down with headphones. I'm not sure I'm good enough to > overcome all the collected prejudices I feel my audiences have towards these > things. I'm in Boston. Tough fucking crowds here dude. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:19 PM > Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) > > > > Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where > > headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side... > > > > ...who the #!@*!# cares? It's about the music, right? Is this a show > > n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or just an excuse > > to criticize personal style? > > > > Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the > > Opra show. What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or > > not? Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play? My > > god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of > > spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and > > headlines. Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes when > > you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What > > Not to Wear" folks on TV > > > > Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;) > > > > Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot > > switches), Boss SX-700, and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up > > until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space > > racks, and one four space rack. I'm using my laptop for some effects, > > and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop. > > The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if that > > person (you know who you are, sends me a note). > > > > I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out > > of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs > > (greedy SOBs) > > > > Kris > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 22:18:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j283FmG20234; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.0.72] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <410-2200532822553730@earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: tough Beantown crowds Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:13:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2005 03:13:49.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[D916C970:01C5238C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at the mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks and swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals. quit wynging From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 23:24:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j284LxN32071; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:21:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:21:11 -0700 Message-ID: <008501c52396$4294c600$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002201c52376$453d8560$0affff0a@hppav> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.322000 Adult word fucking=0.7,Adult word fuck=0.7 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 105, in=237, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I definitely don't think that "people don't have feelings and impressions about our music based on how we look, how we act, and how we speak". I don't believe my response to the group (partially in jest, by the way) implied this. The question is whether the group should dwell on this topic, because the fact of the matter is, a person "is what he is", and he ought to be proud of it, rather than trying to become a different person and express a different way based on what people believe or think about him. Are we mirrors or individuals? Yeah, I know...tough crowd...that's why I like this list! :) Keep it coming!!! Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) Kris - Yeah it's about the music -- and yeah this is a kind of silly topic. And silly can be fun too. And informative. Thing is, if you think people don't have feelings and impressions about your music based on how you look, how you act, and how you speak, then you're fooling yourself, mate. If your really good, people will forgive shortcomings *they perceive* in how you look, how you act and how you speak. Or not. People are that way. Unpredictable. I'm not saying you should change how you are -- but it's good to be aware of what impressions you are making. Where I play, I would never consider performing shoes off, rack in front of me and sitting down with headphones. I'm not sure I'm good enough to overcome all the collected prejudices I feel my audiences have towards these things. I'm in Boston. Tough fucking crowds here dude. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) > Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where > headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side... > > ...who the #!@*!# cares? It's about the music, right? Is this a show > n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or just an > excuse to criticize personal style? > > Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the > Opra show. What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or > not? Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play? My > god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of > spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and > headlines. Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes > when you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh > "What Not to Wear" folks on TV > > Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;) > > Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot > switches), Boss SX-700, and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up > until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three > space racks, and one four space rack. I'm using my laptop for some > effects, and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going > all laptop. The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this > group....if that person (you know who you are, sends me a note). > > I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out > of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay > costs (greedy SOBs) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 7 23:26:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j284Nb732410; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:23:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:23:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CU0AlW7ajnuu20ykpnPTxaLEiLJAZtMaIFIKdX0sI6q5XFfBWJu1+rQeJo0C0rMBeek9gydOGaF8fAITooiIyln57UVxSiarXLFoS4in1oBcklyVYK2vtKR8H1IL6zaerc/3f9lM1Ng/Q6mS2/igN0jdUiD8p2e4fVkU+67QYBI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:23:15 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tough Beantown crowds In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <410-2200532822553730@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Clubs often do suck, but if you're a loud ensemble, you're probably going to have to deal with them. To make it worthwhile to rent a place, hire a PA, someone to do sound, take out some ads, get someone to run the door, etc. means you need a good number of people to show up. If you have enough people who will pay to see you at your rented hall, then you can probably persuade a club to book you. But in a lot of cities, people want to go to "real" clubs, not some Shriner's Hall in the sticks where there's no booze. On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:13:49 -0800, samba - wrote: > Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at the > mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks and > swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals. > quit wynging > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 00:08:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2855u508318; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:05:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.0.72] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tough Beantown crowds Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:04:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2005 05:04:31.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FF231B0:01C5239C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two places where people make money in music these days are, 1.Dance parties which used to be called raves ,in which people rent halls do publicity and mostly hire DJS who work cheaper than bands,except for a few bands trying to get a foot in the door by playing for even less than DJs. But such bands tend to do well if they're any good. If you haven't checked out the Rave/Danceparty/electronica scene- it can be a good potential audience,depending on what yuou do of course. 2 The jam band scene where people actually listen to the music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 02:43:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j287eQG00953; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 02:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 02:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1D8TAh3ZTD-0001mv@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKz5u-1D8TAh3ZTD-0001mv@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4d890d5c0c7bb9d4c7058f7f767ad0ad@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:39:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, I didn't get that you were asking for actual software suggestions. And I realized the Sooperlooper I mentioned is Linux or OS X. But there are a lot of options available for Windows. Moebius seems like a very good one. Then there's the plug-ins Lexicon PSP42 and Elotronix, allthough they don't do reverse. You can also loop directly into Ableton Live if you don't need overdub/feedback looping and can stand using the mouse and five seconds tweaking to reverse and transpose loops. / per On Mar 8, 2005, at 2:06, hazard factor wrote: > > Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and > reverse > functions? I could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?) >> >> For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say >> I've gone "all laptop" for that. Still there's no software >> that can match the EDP for "cut up slice looping". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 04:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j289rVm19672; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:53:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:52:54 -0500 From: kim galibert Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live) In-reply-to: <20050307163114.FAZE1497.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007401c523c4$999a0fe0$6503a8c0@vaio13> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when I posted I kinda expected a couple of deepgeek loopers to casually say, yeah, cool. I didn't expect tips on tabi boots or the really nice feedback (thanks!) or a ferocious battle over socks and shoes or "Goo-goo-ka-joob!" (?, I mean, obviously, I am the walrus and all that, but ???) before I address some of the ableton issues that have flowed through here I would like to declare: 1) I play gigs standing, and unless it is impossible, barefoot. I have mistriggered too many times when clod. but this also depends on the trigger/button - the fcb1010 has nice flat triggers. 2) unless your monitors are insanely great (the bose personal amplification system is almost perfect) your looping will suffer, and when you're mixing 4 or 8 or more loops, the mix will suffer. so it's headphones for me. dj style on stage. your words, my thoughts: >>Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and reverse functions? I >>could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?) definitely look at live - I can think of pretty easy ways to do all of your "basics". half-speed and reverse are built in, triggering those by foot might present a bit of a challenge. a lot of your eventual success with live revolves around your ability to ditch your preconceptions and learn to think like a german. >>PS I have the Live that came with Protools. Not the full version. Worth using? download the live 4 demo from ableton.com. they (ableton) don't let you you save sets unless you pay, which (you'll see) is akin to dealing crack. but I think it is best to evaluate the most recent package, the synth is awesome and the midi capabilities completely change the world. >>Light, comfy, and sensitive enough to hit small switches while standing on one foot in >>the dark. I'd like to attend this gig.... >>I couldn't decide which audio interface to get. So, while taking my >>sweet time to make up my mind, I just hooked up the computer like any >>old piece of gear. I've got two outs from my preamp: one goes into the >>miniplug "in" of the powerbook, and the other goes to the Repeater. The >>only thing I've added was a midi to usb cable. Then the miniplug "out" >>of the powerbook goes into my little mixer that lives at the end of the >>signal chain. It's worked fine for all of the 4 weeks I've been doing >>it (and I still can't decide which portable audio interface to get). Is >>this insane? this is a solid way of doing it. an external audio interface would be superior, it could be rack mounted, those mini stereo cables can get dislodged easily (and, sometimes, as they become dislodged, damage your powerbook audio port). m-audio and edirol make good interfaces for use with live. one of the m-audio interfaces has a send/return that would be perfect for use with the repeater (plus it has 2 headphone jacks). if you're in an experimental mood put the repeater between the preamp and the laptop. this way you can use live's most excellent effects on your repeater loops. dedicate a live channel to the incoming mix of live audio and repeater audio and put the efx in that channel, not on the master. eq, resonator, delay, maybe a gate in front if you're having feedback problems. eventually, the repeater will become redundant. it's sweet to have the volume sliders, but you could do that with a uc-33. and then you could control 8 channels instead of 4. tap tempo, bouncing tracks are pretty easy in live as well. >>overdub, feedback and time-stretch/transpose. Then I would use a midi >>pedal to trigger Live clips that send the data to the four Repeater >>tracks to transpose into certain chord changes. That would be awesome! you could do something similar with the simpler in live4, load it with a sample, precede it with the midi chord effect. >>Live is so much more convenient to program than a FCB1010!!! this is one of the most important reasons to use live. normal human beings can now cope with midi! it is absurdly simple to setup controllers. and the tactile control this provides you over your loops/channel efx/main efx allows you to play live like a musical instrument. are you actually still reading this obscenely long love ode to live? really? well, hopefully this will make it worth it: http://jamespatten.com/audiopad/ kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 10:10:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28F7pM11342; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.200] X-Originating-Email: [garrettpetters@hotmail.com] X-Sender: garrettpetters@hotmail.com From: "Garrett Petters" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electrix repeater setup... Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:07:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2005 15:07:12.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[81C8C970:01C523F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com trying to figure out the best way to setup my repeater. I have been runnig my repeater through my aux send on mackie dfx- 12 mixer. but I sometimes get a unwanted reverb effect on the channel I'm trying to loop. I use the repeater for live looping. So far I have the roland handsonic, Mc 909, mic, Roland V bass, all running into the Mackie dfx 12 Mixer. And then the repeater through the Aux send. If there is a better way please let me know.... Garrett Petters _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 10:28:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28FPVw14480; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:25:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:25:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <11400354.1110295481846.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:24:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The man's got a point! I've got a huge show coming up 4/30 at a club, but after that, I am going to look beyond Clubland. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: samba - Sent: Mar 7, 2005 10:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: tough Beantown crowds Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at the mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks and swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals. quit wynging From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 10:45:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28FePS17319; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:40:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:40:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bkMydG96emM3FTVT5RMP+vZ6SgdN0UX2btvVOjrdNuYi48SqWuimynP6ApCqSs/5MF2XwCHTponaa7m5L2sW9pdAcmg/oxeYP0nuQqsf8lrsQelGfAL462PfSi1zZ1Kj+XGon8kVgAD/QWdTRxUjNaGjXUwaiKETh81XjGa9914= ; Message-ID: <20050308153952.48856.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem I encounter too frequently with bars / clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds there aren't interested. I played Saturday night to a fairly packed club, and aside from a handful of folks who appreciated what we were doing, we were largely ignored. I'd prefer to play to a quarter of the people in smaller, intimate rooms, where they're actually interested in what we're doing. Mike --- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > The man's got a point! I've got a huge show coming > up 4/30 at a club, but after that, I am going to > look beyond Clubland. > ~Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: samba - > Sent: Mar 7, 2005 10:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: tough Beantown crowds > > Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians > beleive they have to be at the > mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set > up a pa sell snacks and > swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others > and put on festivals. > quit wynging > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 11:15:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28G9C423867; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:09:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:09:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1110298040!8573578!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329ECB@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: electrix repeater setup... Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:01:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C523F8.068B6F30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C523F8.068B6F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>trying to figure out the best way to setup my repeater. I have been runnig my repeater through my aux send on mackie dfx- 12 mixer. but I sometimes get a unwanted reverb effect on the channel I'm trying to loop.<< sounds like the repeater is getting a sniff of itself back through the desk. make sure you know how to "dry-mute" the thing (hold stop & hit overdub, I think), & that the aux-send is turned down on whatever channel the repeater is returned on. incidentally, once you've mastered that, you might want to try turning down the overdub level on the repeater & feeding it back to itself through the aux send I just mentioned. this way, successive repeats can be tailored using the eq on the desk, so you get a gradual roll-off (or -on) of treble or bass, like a tape-delay. by extension, you can add other effects into the feeback loop too. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>trying to figure out the best way to setup my rep= eater. I have been runnig
my repeater through my aux send on mackie dfx- 12 mixer.= but I sometimes get
a unwanted reverb effect on the channel I'm trying to lo= op.<<

sounds like the repeater is getting a sniff of itself bac= k through the desk. make sure you know how to "dry-mute" the thin= g (hold stop & hit overdub, I think), & that the aux-send is turned= down on whatever channel the repeater is returned on.

incidentally, once you've mastered that, you might want t= o try turning down the overdub level on the repeater & feeding it back = to itself through the aux send I just mentioned. this way, successive repea= ts can be tailored using the eq on the desk, so you get a gradual roll-off = (or -on) of treble or bass, like a tape-delay. by extension, you can add ot= her effects into the feeback loop too.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C523F8.068B6F30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 11:58:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28GuGY00310; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:56:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:56:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IOhs2jP2LfZttG8o7NZM1CeW6wvAGzy9fCKiDez+TJGNcu8wEy8BzwJZ8HCiorfFpVbDj+hNkL5Xw6x0wEykdIfE7TL37sRH0YbpdTFcV/7GGtL9L4WCYwNvzrKw5aZRuWEpSPH2XveCJRNmC1+8Pt4tLdCGybIF0gAc1gkGmvE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:55:12 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds In-Reply-To: <20050308153952.48856.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050308153952.48856.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if you don't play music suited to that venue, then you should certainly find other venues. Clubs and bars (and cafes to a certain extent) have music to provide a backdrop to the central matters at hand: drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual partners. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:51 -0800 (PST), mike feeney wrote: > > The problem I encounter too frequently with bars / > clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds there > aren't interested. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28GwIg00866; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:58:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:58:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c523ff$ee7784d0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329ECB@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: electrix repeater setup... Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 17:57:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C52408.501F6420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C52408.501F6420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: electrix repeater setup...What could be your mixer setup, if you = want use=20 a Kaoss pad a repeater=20 a DD-20 an effect = processor ? fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: electrix repeater setup... >>trying to figure out the best way to setup my repeater. I have been = runnig=20 my repeater through my aux send on mackie dfx- 12 mixer. but I = sometimes get=20 a unwanted reverb effect on the channel I'm trying to loop.<<=20 sounds like the repeater is getting a sniff of itself back through the = desk. make sure you know how to "dry-mute" the thing (hold stop & hit = overdub, I think), & that the aux-send is turned down on whatever = channel the repeater is returned on. incidentally, once you've mastered that, you might want to try turning = down the overdub level on the repeater & feeding it back to itself = through the aux send I just mentioned. this way, successive repeats can = be tailored using the eq on the desk, so you get a gradual roll-off (or = -on) of treble or bass, like a tape-delay. by extension, you can add = other effects into the feeback loop too. duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>trying to figure out the best way to setup = my=20 repeater. I have been runnig
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sounds like the repeater is getting a sniff of = itself back=20 through the desk. make sure you know how to "dry-mute" the thing (hold = stop=20 & hit overdub, I think), & that the aux-send is turned down on = whatever channel the repeater is returned on.

incidentally, once you've mastered that, you might = want to try=20 turning down the overdub level on the repeater & feeding it back = to itself=20 through the aux send I just mentioned. this way, successive repeats = can be=20 tailored using the eq on the desk, so you get a gradual roll-off (or = -on) of=20 treble or bass, like a tape-delay. by extension, you can add other = effects=20 into the feeback loop too.

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------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C52408.501F6420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:11:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28H7ZN04301; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1BMMz6gt7JWsim84JjcZ4+s6dU3FkAfR+YGnLuQEz7zr3IzESJRrKU+4PgLBZsG+QUmc6kEIDURUF1/3kuXujO098j5Xx8ddo8vPeIkdh9Q6i63C2XbEgmLBKDjkptqsu/4ymC3UGh4HM/DSzb2ES3oZEz9k03ckVg02Dm1MD9Y= ; Message-ID: <20050308170708.70668.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it's not that the music wasn't suited to the venue so much as the fact that the crowd was just switched off, doing their own thing. It happens sometimes. I suppose I should have said I'd prefer to do more intimate material as well as performing in more intimate settings. There was no looping involved in that gig, it was just a couple of bozos doing rock covers. =) I've been doing that for years, and I keep making money at it, so on I go. My big looping career hasn't yet begun. I'm still building my looping setup, and learning everything I can in the meantime. =) But I won't be one of those dudes who lugs along a looping rig just to play a solo during "Free Bird." ;) To me the two worlds are barely connected. I do drastically different stuff in the two different environments. Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too. Jack of all trades, master of none... Mike --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Well, if you don't play music suited to that venue, > then you should > certainly find other venues. Clubs and bars (and > cafes to a certain > extent) have music to provide a backdrop to the > central matters at > hand: drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit > of sexual > partners. > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:51 -0800 (PST), mike feeney > wrote: > > > > The problem I encounter too frequently with bars / > > clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds > there > > aren't interested. > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28HHpG06207; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr6 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:17:11 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: New CD release HASLER << >> INAMI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4wQwEB.A.7fB.f4dLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com p.s. some mp3 demos added today. http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/ Thanks Sunao At 7:05 AM +0900 05.3.8, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi LD, > >sorry for OT.. >This is my new CD release information. >I collaborated with Swiss trumpeter/electronic musician,Werner Hasler. >http://www.manufactur.ch/ > >in this time,our method is exchange sample sketches via private FTP server. >Then result electronica/ambient music we made.. > >TRANSMIT >HASLER << >> INAMI >MANUFACTURED AUDIO mf audio#003 (CD only) > >some details and mail order available: >http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/ > > >WERNER HASLER >trumpet,various synth >recorded at Horsaal,Bern,Switzerland >www.wernerhasler.com > >SUNAO INAMI >reaktor,absynth >recorded at CAVE Studio,Kobe,Japan >www.cavestudio.com > >All tracks arranged,produced and mixed by Werner Hasler, >expect M5R2 taken from DELAYED remix by Sunao Inami > > >Sunao and I met face-to-face for no more than ten minutes - >somewhere in a culb.We ware introduced,had a chat,and then >split,agreeing to exchange some of our work:we have not met since. >The music in Transmit came from the agreed upload Sunao to me. We >have not talked about it,and neither did we construct any common >musical plans. >The file come just one way - to me - so there was no collaboration >on what has happened with it since. I downloaded sounds,soundscapes >and half-finished tunes of his,and I uploaded my work in return. >After downloading the file,I listened before I cut and shaped his >sounds,taking extracts and looping parts. I added my own sounds from >different sources,such as a diverse set of treatments from my >trumpet recordings,various samplings,and some analogue >synthesizing.I created arrangements by playing with >sound,colours,cutting some of them and putting the whole thing in a >frame of rhythm and melody - or using what I created as a frame for >additional rhythms and melodies. >The unguided and unrestricted use of Sunao's very personal >ideas,which ware unfamiliar to me,was a very refreshing way to >work.This music began from the ideas of a very real person,yet >developed with that person as only virtual partner - pure input and >no restriction. >Sunao produced the recordings,DELAYED (electr-ohm released in Japan >2004,using the sounds and beats of Rick Walker,Roberto >Zorzi,Slacknote and Werner Hasler) > Werner Hasler > > > Thanks > > Sunao Inami >http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:28:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28HPdo07432; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:25:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:25:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:25:13 EST Subject: RE: tough crowds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <0W5O-B.A.SzB.AAeLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm coming into this thread late (as per usual) but no matter. Doing club gigs. Hmmm. I generally don't do them anymore.=20 I'm too selfish -- and too old too, but that's besides the point. I have my own motivations for doing the music I do anyway and hardly any of them have to do with commerce, alcohol (or caffeine) consumption or similar/related concerns. Pity the poor club owners though. They've got to make a living too.=20 It's pretty damn rare that you'll find a club owner that is REALLY=20 in it for the "love of the music." For putting up with us whinny=20 musicians, querulous customers, piss and barf who knows what=20 all else I'm not sure even money would be enough, quite frankly. People (audiences) come out to clubs for a variety of reasons more of them having to do with their social habits than with any cultural (artistic) consideration. They wanna party. They=20 wanna dance. They wanna get falling-down pissed, drunk. They wanna talk. More power to them I guess.=20 A club owner and his customers have a commercial relationship that benefits both quite well as long as things are working well. Music can be a good lubricant in their relationship as long as it serves THEIR mutually cross-feeding purposes and doesn't go off trying to do something on its own -- as if it actually meant something on it's own. Then it becomes an irritant. As entertainment and/or diversion it's plenty fine -- as long as=20 it doesn't go get a big head and start thinking of itself as "Art." If it does, watch out! Heheh. There'll be trouble brewin' fer sure. Neither the club owner nor the club audience much appreciate anything that thwarts them in the pursuit of their real goals -- the=20 exchange of money for a few moments of stuporous release. If you take yourself a little too seriously as a musician and start thinking of what you do as "Art" you'd be better off playing in an art gallery, rented theater, legion hall, or some fan's living room=20 (or basement) than in the typical club. There's always the a-typical=20 club, but there's no counting on one being available in your area.=20 For any musician whose reasons for wanting to get into music=20 in the first place are merely musical ones, a bar is not the best venue to be. You've got to be the sort that's really into it for the party, the drinks, the promise of sex, or the minor local-celeb=20 hero-worship. And, you've got to actually LIKE your audience=20 and want THEIR esteem more than your own self-esteem. Loopers don't tend to be that sort . . . I don't think. They tend to=20 be thoughtful, but still pretty much, self-communing shoe-gazers for the most part. I know I'm like that mostly . . . still. I'd be much happier doing intermission music at a poetry-reading than the "life of the party" at the beginning of someone's weekend-long bender. Finding the right audience for your music can be the hardest part of making music. If you make music for only yourself and your own unique motivations, perhaps there are times when you may be that music's only possible appreciative=20 audience too. Sad, but it's something to think about. It's something I wonder about a good deal. Much of what I do musically would be a better soundtrack for a torture session=20 than a poetry reading -- but then some folks would consider=20 those occasions to be synonymous anyway. It seems to me that the CD -- and now the MP3 -- offer the best hope of an=20 audience for mutant, mis-begotten musical forms.=20 I'm trying to learn to be happy with that. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

I'm coming into this thread late (as per usual) but no matter.

Doing club gigs. Hmmm. I generally don't do them anymore.
I'm too selfish -- and too old too, but that's besides the point.
I have my own motivations for doing the music I do anyway
and hardly any of them have to do with commerce, alcohol
(or caffeine) consumption or similar/related concerns.

Pity the poor club owners though. They've got to make a living too.
It's pretty damn rare that you'll find a club owner that is REALLY
in it for the "love of the music." For putting up with us whinny
musicians, querulous customers, piss and barf who knows what
all else I'm not sure even money would be enough, quite frankly.

People (audiences) come out to clubs for a variety of reasons
more of them having to do with their social habits than with
any cultural (artistic) consideration. They wanna party. They
wanna dance. They wanna get falling-down pissed, drunk.
They wanna talk. More power to them I guess.

A club owner and his customers have a commercial relationship
that benefits both quite well as long as things are working well.
Music can be a good lubricant in their relationship as long as it
serves THEIR mutually cross-feeding purposes and doesn't
go off trying to do something on its own -- as if it actually
meant something on it's own. Then it becomes an irritant.

As entertainment and/or diversion it's plenty fine -- as long as
it doesn't go get a big head and start thinking of itself as "Art."
If it does, watch out! Heheh. There'll be trouble brewin' fer sure.
Neither the club owner nor the club audience much appreciate
anything that thwarts them in the pursuit of their real goals -- the
exchange of money for a few moments of stuporous release.

If you take yourself a little too seriously as a musician and start
thinking of what you do as "Art" you'd be better off playing in an
art gallery, rented theater, legion hall, or some fan's living room
(or basement) than in the typical club. There's always the a-typical
club, but there's no counting on one being available in your area.

For any musician whose reasons for wanting to get into music
in the first place are merely musical ones, a bar is not the best
venue to be. You've got to be the sort that's really into it for
the party, the drinks, the promise of sex, or the minor local-celeb
hero-worship. And, you've got to actually LIKE your audience
and want THEIR esteem more than your own self-esteem.

Loopers don't tend to be that sort . . . I don't think. They tend to
be thoughtful, but still pretty much, self-communing shoe-gazers
for the most part. I know I'm like that mostly . . . still. I'd be much
happier doing intermission music at a poetry-reading than the "life
of the party" at the beginning of someone's weekend-long bender.

Finding the right audience for your music can be the hardest
part of making music. If you make music for only yourself
and your own unique motivations, perhaps there are times
when you may be that music's only possible appreciative
audience too. Sad, but it's something to think about.

It's something I wonder about a good deal. Much of what I  do
musically would be a better soundtrack for a torture session
than a poetry reading -- but then some folks would consider
those occasions to be synonymous anyway.  It seems to me
that the CD -- and now the MP3 -- offer the best hope of an
audience for mutant, mis-begotten musical forms.

I'm  trying to learn to be happy with that.

Cheers,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:31:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28HSJG08127; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:28:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:28:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.167.12.210] X-Originating-Email: [natosp@hotmail.com] X-Sender: natosp@hotmail.com From: "nato sp" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:27:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2005 17:27:10.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F4EAA90:01C52404] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. I'd appreciate any answer(s) that I can get. I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping pedal. I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are complex and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of 10 seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another. Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help! Thanks, nato From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:34:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28HRZP07999; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:27:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:27:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Freebird solo (was crowd support) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:26:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-To: <20050308170708.70668.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUkAZj5IoOs6e7cQ/WvftAU0/gbuwAAV6Pw Message-Id: <20050308172654.HDDM2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike Feeny wrote: But I won't be one of those dudes who lugs along a looping rig just to play a solo during "Free Bird." ;) Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too. Jack of all trades, master of none... ---->The background for a solo on Freebird is approximately 4 seconds-- You could do that with a $99 Digitech delay pedal-- And many bluegrass(and Celtic!) tunes can be played over short loops. As far as the loving support of your fellow man, good luck . . . I've been playing music for money for almost 30 years now and still don't have a handle on how to successful blend art and commerce--but I sure admire those talented and hardworking people who can keep the public's attention with music (or other art) that they create without compromise. Best to all, Gary PS the Walrus quote had to do with the groove of the piece Kim G was performing G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:45:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28Hf9F10799; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:41:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:41:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c52405$ee0b6dd0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050308170708.70668.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too. Jack of all > trades, master of none... We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting work... "An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing." "A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and more until he knows nothing about everything." :) Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:48:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28HgRg11036; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:42:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:42:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Best Looper (was RE: Unidentified subject!) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:41:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUkBHFYyosaTeYWTxGCLFRb3SBOFwAAOfGA Message-Id: <20050308174157.SILI22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the risk of offending, I vote for the DL4, follwed closely by the RC-20. Both of these are easy to use-you can be looping in minutes! Also each has the necessary sample time. I favor the RC-20 for this situation as you can store loops and it also has loads more sample time. But the DL4 is an actual delay pedal--and that winds up being more artful in the end--making it a better deal. If you can afford an extra hundred, the Boomerang is probably also a good choice. This one might be good: http://www.backline-eng.com/ Gary -----Original Message----- From: nato sp [mailto:natosp@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. I'd appreciate any answer(s) that I can get. I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping pedal. I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are complex and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of 10 seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another. Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help! Thanks, nato From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 12:59:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28Hw3d13468; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:58:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:58:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e601c52405$ee0b6dd0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> References: <20050308170708.70668.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> <00e601c52405$ee0b6dd0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:57:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:38 PM -0500 3/8/05, Tony K wrote: >>Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too. Jack of all >>trades, master of none... > >We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting work... > >"An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less >until he knows everything about nothing." >"A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and >more until he knows nothing about everything." > >:) > >Tony Back when I was doing my post (Berklee) graduate work at Boston cab, I was driving a fellow from the airport to one of the downtown hotels. We got to talking and I asked him what he did. He said he was a consultant. I asked him what that was and he said that a consultant is a person who knows an infinite number of ways to have sex but doesn't know any girls. I vowed never to become a consultant. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 13:20:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28IHnx18639; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1320891.1110305788297.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:16:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Heart Punch Studios Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <_bEf.A.EiE.qweLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Edwin?!? You recorded me at Heart Punch Studios (Brookline, MA) back in 1987! What have you been up to in the ensuing 18 years (LOL)???? Yours in Hub Cats, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hurwitz Sent: Mar 8, 2005 12:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds At 12:38 PM -0500 3/8/05, Tony K wrote: >>Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too. Jack of all >>trades, master of none... > >We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting work... > >"An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less >until he knows everything about nothing." >"A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and >more until he knows nothing about everything." > >:) > >Tony Back when I was doing my post (Berklee) graduate work at Boston cab, I was driving a fellow from the airport to one of the downtown hotels. We got to talking and I asked him what he did. He said he was a consultant. I asked him what that was and he said that a consultant is a person who knows an infinite number of ways to have sex but doesn't know any girls. I vowed never to become a consultant. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 13:29:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28IP0p19957; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:25:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:25:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:22:54 -0800 Subject: ot: Kim on TV... From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0t_4LD.A.H2E.g3eLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW turned on the tele last nite to catch my friend on the Discovery channel show POWERTOOL DRAG RACING. she was driving 'The Phoenix Chainsaw Chopper' and she lost :-( and next, to my surprise there's KIMFLINT and partner, together called w/ their radio controlled chainsaw and their contraption beats and wins the race. coupla interviews w/ Kim and it all looked too cool... good to see you get out once in a while, Kim ok back to loop smack. staninsanfran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 14:03:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28Iw0S25615; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ExjUATHBYpVWMERS1Fp7/OfWayHXunIV42I/TwEY0q0Euftk/YZJCZ3vEEuS2686YPliAiesbs+GTFPbhn5QobhrttkUxw6XkXxRiCWneh3heZDaoZdBmA9pdbsXx6VtfLms6hEkKn9caObQK385tes/Dy25VzD/dGvj3jUYXAU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:56:40 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tough crowds In-Reply-To: <1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A wonderful post by Ted. Thanks. Warning, after reading what I wrote below, I noticed it's somewhat disjointed and aimless, and prolly waaaayyy too long, but I didn't have time to shorten it up. Anway, what follows is some further observations and thoughts on the matter. The majority of my performing is in bars, but very rarely as a looper. My primary live performance outlet is with an Eastern-Iowa-based Celtic folk/pub-tunes band called Wylde Nept. When I auditioned for them almost 2 years ago, I knew I was walking into a sweet deal--over the 10 years that they had existed, they had carved out a niche that allowed them to play traditional Irish and Scottish tunes (not *all* about drinking) but also allowed them the ability to play original songs as well. It's quite interesting to see how this band has thrived while being the only local band to not have Mustang Sally or Messin' with the Kid in its playlist. (I wish I was exaggerating.) Anyway, I was prompted to bring this up because of Ted's message. When I originally set out to re-enter the live performance game, I'd had visions of forming a jazz/funk trio that would rely heavily on looping as well as doing soundscape performances at any of the bevy of coffee houses around here. I had naively thought that people went out for the same reason I did: to hear live performances of good music. The more I observed the crowds, the more I realized how wrong I was. The crowds I observed were much more interested in watching the ESPN feed or chatting up some fine-looking human specimen or w-h-y than actually listening to the music. Sometimes, though very rarely, they danced. When I played my first bar gig with Wylde Nept, I couldn't believe what I heard/saw with that crowd. They were an audience, not a crowd of barflies and meat marketeers. They sang along; they followed along with the 'audience participation' ("A Mighty Wind" pegs this, btw); they danced; they even sat in relative silence for the slow, melancholy love songs. I've also had the fortune of meeting bar owners and booking guys who *seem* to be interested in preserving live music. One bar owner in western Illinois even made the comment that he runs a dance club so that he can keep his live music venue open. Oddly, it's one of maybe 3 bars/clubs that have live music in a metro area that probably has well over 300k people. Yeah, it's no Boston or Chicago, but that's still a lot of people to be served by only 3 live music venues. And he still has to run that dance club to keep the live music bar open. Sad. As for the looping performances and finding actual audiences, I've really only found new music concerts geared toward 'classical' or 'art' or 'concert' music (whatever you wish to call it) to be appropriate around here. In fact, the only live looping I've done in the past 2 years has been in that type of setting. I'm sure the fact that I also regularly write for chamber groups helps me get live looping pieces onto concerts and into festivals. It's the only performance situation that consistently provides an *audience*. For those of you who are tired of playing for the meat marketeers who seem annoyed to chat up their conquests over the din of your music, perhaps you should check for some sort of new music forum in your area. For example, I am co-chair of the Iowa Composers Forum. Every year, we host at least one festival--usually a couple days of concerts, discussions, and presentations; the concerts feature only works by member composers. As one of the hosts of the most recent festival, I can assure you that composers who provide performers for their works get special consideration in programming. As such, performing it yourself immediately gives you a leg up on the poor saps who submit brass quintets and string quartets and mixed septets. ICF is an independent organization, and there are many others around the US. There are also a number of statewide and regional chapters of the American Composers Forum. Dr. Zvonar, it appears, is a member of the Los Angeles chapter of ACF. There is also the Society of Composers, Inc. (SCI), although despite a name change they are still geared much more toward composers associated with educational institutions (they began life as the American Society of University Composers---Zappa fans may recognize that name). The downside to performing your own works at these type of forum events? Often, you get one slot that is more or less time-limited, and is intended to be used to present a single piece. Granted, that single piece could have multiple movements, but you're not going to squeeze in an hour-long soundscapes set. Depending on who is hosting the festival and/or coordinating the concert, improvisations may or may not fly. We're hosting a mini-festival this coming Saturday that has one concert (along with a master class with Peter Schickele). On this concert there will be an improvised piece, but I can count the number of improvisations featured on ICF concerts since I've joined on one hand. The biggest potential downside, however, is the money. Depending on the policies of the group and/or the budget of the concert/festival, composers who perform their own work may be doing so gratis. Also, it is certainly not customary to have a SWAG table in the lobby for after the concert. So, you're not gonna make much/any money playing at those concerts. But you'll have an attentive audience, most of whom with ears that far surpass those meat-marketeers who keep shouting for you to turn it down or at least have the decency to play Mustang Sally. You'll also have the opportunity to network with musicians and composers who share stylistic interests (trust me, they'll let you know) which may lead to future paying gigs. Our concert this Saturday is the direct result of wanting to provide two very talented pianists with a paid gig. As to Ted's rather bleak premonition about the future of live music...I can only hope he proves to be wrong. Cheers, Jon Southwood From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 14:31:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28JRew32031; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:27:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:27:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=E4tNP+Ls8Mas5TZkrNQGaRGvSOcsGf+NSqkrV6TjOvQdxNAlf+C5Z/XS8R5zqJcg6rtOiEBp1LLf9RZ/w5nGJM1foDWjwsSPAWn1phNU5Xe/GNdXXIV+soqy7Z/+XJSk0fBFoSKfSSaPmIhxqDKyaCNX8aPWtoVu+EmaVZaUENA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:26:13 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure about the new model, but the original Akai Headrush had the capability of recording up to 11.9 seconds while still allowing overdubs or up to 23.8 seconds without allowing overdubs. The Headrush was my first looper, and I loved it. The user interface is simple and intuitive (or was to me). My wants quickly outgrew its capabilities, though, and I moved on to an EDP (although at one point, I had the Headrush, EDP, and Line 6 DL-4 all in the rig at the same time). The original Headrush was going for a premium on ebay for a while (mine actually sold for more than I paid for it originally), but now that the 2nd version of it is available, I'd imagine they're going for less these days. The Line 6 DL-4 would also work. It has a maximum of 14 seconds of loop time (unless you record at half-speed, then you get 28 seconds at half the sample rate). I think I read somewhere that these have been discontinued, which is a shame. I'm not sure what they're going for on ebay. Since it doesn't seem to matter to you whether or not you have the capability of adjusting the feedback of the loop, you will not be annoyed by the lack of that function in either the Headrush E1 or the DL-4. Good luck, Jon Southwood On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:27:06 -0500, nato sp wrote: > Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. I'd > appreciate any answer(s) that I can get. > > I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping pedal. > I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are complex > and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I > sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of 10 > seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other > functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another. > > Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my > best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to > samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help! > > Thanks, > > nato > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 14:46:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28Jhsm02768; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:43:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:43:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5408bb0f3b0dfd777b861e1fddcfc6e4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New CD release HASLER << >> INAMI Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:42:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 8, 2005, at 18:17, Sunao Inami wrote: > p.s. > some mp3 demos added today. > http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/ > > Thanks > > Sunao Wow, those clips do really sound interesting to me :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 14:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28Ju6V05091; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:55:20 -0500 From: Subject: Noob saxist feedback question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6UYArD.A.uLB.oMgLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now, but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the ranks of wanna-be loopers! I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic (saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I ask questions that are staggeringly obvious! Here's my first problem: When looping live with other players, is there any way to diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? Thanks, Tom Hall www.freeimprovisation.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 15:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28KFFK10499; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> References: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:16:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You will want to get a mic that clips onto the bell. AKG makes a relatively inexpensive one (something like the C419 or some such thing) that works pretty well for isolating your axe. There are various others that range wildly in price. On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:55 PM, wrote: > Hi All, > I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now, > but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the > ranks of wanna-be loopers! > > I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic > (saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change > to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with > the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I > ask questions that are staggeringly obvious! > > Here's my first problem: > When looping live with other players, is there any way to > diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other > instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? > > > Thanks, > Tom Hall > www.freeimprovisation.com > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 15:21:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28KJIp11730; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:19:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:19:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> References: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2e7c66c90535eacd30b4288c53523877@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:18:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tom the key is to get a mic and/or pickup combo that has good "rejection" of off-axis sound. mics with good rejection are generally cardioid or hypercardioid (the name means "heart-shaped") and reject sound coming from behind and to a lesser extent from the side. i've know sax players to get good results from "bell" mics - the kind that clip on the the lip of the bell or use a mount that floats the mic within the bell. i believe there are also sax pickups that can be retrofitted to your instrument with minimal modification, though i know much less about these. of course there is also the totally electronic approach with instruments like the yamaha wx7 and such that eschew acoustics for a synthesized tone. positioning yourself onstage is another obvious solution. trickier approaches using gates in your audio chain could be used as a last resort. hope this helps cheers bruce On Mar 8, 2005, at 2:55 PM, wrote: > Hi All, > I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now, > but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the > ranks of wanna-be loopers! > > I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic > (saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change > to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with > the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I > ask questions that are staggeringly obvious! > > Here's my first problem: > When looping live with other players, is there any way to > diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other > instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? > > > Thanks, > Tom Hall > www.freeimprovisation.com > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 15:23:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28KJIQ11732; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:19:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:19:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=H2Trf+4JTswvIVQgloIrttufFh0gx+/e+iKXiNTZd408rjiKcpXvtEPd1H3Mucxu5+hHAJKoSNVdH6HKZCTaPQ+JehMz+prP8Jc8RSGi49PfcPV6umQiDQvYhYGRrNeq7dbpEN/paOElUOmQdEpoce1jBjXkWfAdjq7iTX8Wn4k= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:17:25 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: nato sp Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For whatever reason, Gmail won't let me get the "Reply-To" blank, so I'm forwarding this message back to the list. I can't say whether the DD-20 or DD-6 would work. I suspect the DD-20 would, but I haven't been in the same room with one. Ted Killian is practically an evangelist for the DD-20 (*not* a bad thing; he answered all sorts of my questions about it and has me strongly considering replacing my DL-4 with it). On paper, the DD-20 would certainly do what you want, with a 23 second maximum. On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:44:42 -0500, nato sp wrote: > Thanks a lot for the response. I was wondering, what about the Boss DD-20 > Giga Delay? At $200 or so new, it's the cheapest thing I've found. Also, do > you think a Boss DD-6 could work? I think it has about 8 seconds of > delay...Let me know. Thanks again. > > nato > > >From: Jon Southwood > >Reply-To: Jon Southwood > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! > >Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:26:13 -0600 > > > >I'm not sure about the new model, but the original Akai Headrush had > >the capability of recording up to 11.9 seconds while still allowing > >overdubs or up to 23.8 seconds without allowing overdubs. The Headrush > >was my first looper, and I loved it. The user interface is simple and > >intuitive (or was to me). My wants quickly outgrew its capabilities, > >though, and I moved on to an EDP (although at one point, I had the > >Headrush, EDP, and Line 6 DL-4 all in the rig at the same time). The > >original Headrush was going for a premium on ebay for a while (mine > >actually sold for more than I paid for it originally), but now that > >the 2nd version of it is available, I'd imagine they're going for less > >these days. > > > >The Line 6 DL-4 would also work. It has a maximum of 14 seconds of > >loop time (unless you record at half-speed, then you get 28 seconds at > >half the sample rate). I think I read somewhere that these have been > >discontinued, which is a shame. I'm not sure what they're going for on > >ebay. > > > >Since it doesn't seem to matter to you whether or not you have the > >capability of adjusting the feedback of the loop, you will not be > >annoyed by the lack of that function in either the Headrush E1 or the > >DL-4. > > > >Good luck, > > > >Jon Southwood > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:27:06 -0500, nato sp wrote: > > > Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. > >I'd > > > appreciate any answer(s) that I can get. > > > > > > I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping > >pedal. > > > I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are > >complex > > > and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I > > > sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of > >10 > > > seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other > > > functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another. > > > > > > Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my > > > best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to > > > samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please > >help! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > nato > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 15:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28KUOx13856; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:30:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:30:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,147,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="10428744:sNHT19187918" Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:29:39 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a Shure wireless setup with a Shure SM98 mic that I usually use for performing. I haven't tried it onstage yet with the Boomerang, but when I practice with a fairly loud recording, there is still background noise. I don't know how much of a problem this will be when playing with a loud band!? Any experiences? Tom ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:16:29 -0600 >From: Michael Firman >Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >You will want to get a mic that clips onto the bell. >AKG makes a relatively inexpensive one (something like the C419 or some >such >thing) that works pretty well for isolating your axe. There are various >others that >range wildly in price. > >On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:55 PM, wrote: > >> >> Here's my first problem: >> When looping live with other players, is there any way to >> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other >> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hall >> www.freeimprovisation.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 15:42:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28KeAA15493; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,147,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="10431741:sNHT19509464" Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:39:22 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <2cdefdee.d9fd0d7d.81dec00@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5YZhcD.A.twD.61gLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I meant to add that the SM98 is a clip on and a super cartiod condenser mike - I think it has a pretty tight pattern. Tom ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:29:39 -0500 >From: >Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >I've got a Shure wireless setup with a Shure SM98 mic that I >usually use for performing. > >I haven't tried it onstage yet with the Boomerang, but when >I practice with a fairly loud recording, there is still >background noise. I don't know how much of a problem this >will be when playing with a loud band!? > >Any experiences? >Tom > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 16:06:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28L47E20953; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:04:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <076d01c52422$2c7b1900$26cd5e44@Tower1> From: "Jim Palmer" To: References: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:02:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not much of a saxist, but i play one on tv. remember most of the sax sound comes out the keyholes. if you are already getting the sound you want from your bell mic, you are lucky. i find that i can't. surprisingly it winds up way too bright (i expected a darker sound) anyway, there are a few pickups that attach to the mouthpiece that supposedly can get better rejection plus a more natural tone than a mic in the bell. i've tried this approach on trumpet and like it pretty well. one thing extra rejection allows is the use of guitar amps/effects to get otherwoldly sounds (distorto-wah-echo etc) these things can cause quite a mess of feedback with a microphone on a club stage, not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's your taste, times being what they are... ... > When looping live with other players, is there any way to > diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other > instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 16:38:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j28LZHC26269; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:35:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JN+073y9XRiulDC/XFxLNFScGogCwqd8pKngwVXHGUyi3oKkMe1L/pH8BFk1+aBAp0rME1t7P1qX9S1WP2VllkPMKuhUNf5I8TAnOt0kiuurwD638UkneTI4tYNzpjLAEu8AEJv6fczIJyqJddoVWI1ECevuy8BT+yFUPrPV4+A= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:34:42 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question In-Reply-To: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8f62b58b.d9f90564.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2mh6ZB.A.rZG.3phLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:55:20 -0500, tohall@rcn.com wrote: > Hi All, > I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now, > but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the > ranks of wanna-be loopers! > > I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic > (saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change > to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with > the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I > ask questions that are staggeringly obvious! > > Here's my first problem: > When looping live with other players, is there any way to > diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other > instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? > > Thanks, > Tom Hall > www.freeimprovisation.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 19:35:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j290W3l24466; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:37:27 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: tough Beantown crowds To: Message-id: <001501c52440$2c643a00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <410-2200532822553730@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <9HUasB.A.K7F.sOkLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis hits a key word here: booze. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: Re: tough Beantown crowds > Clubs often do suck, but if you're a loud ensemble, you're probably > going to have to deal with them. > > To make it worthwhile to rent a place, hire a PA, someone to do sound, > take out some ads, get someone to run the door, etc. means you need a > good number of people to show up. If you have enough people who will > pay to see you at your rented hall, then you can probably persuade a > club to book you. But in a lot of cities, people want to go to "real" > clubs, not some Shriner's Hall in the sticks where there's no booze. > > > On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:13:49 -0800, samba - wrote: > > Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at the > > mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks and > > swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals. > > quit wynging > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 19:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j290jpk26248; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:50:51 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds To: Message-id: <003801c52442$0b48f7a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050308153952.48856.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-xJ2e.A.vVG.SbkLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm... Travis has a point. Who here has not discovered that their music is not afterall merely a backdrop to the important conversations that people need to gave at the moment we thought we were supposed to be entertaining? :-) As to the "...drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual partners.." Dude, could there be children who were conceived after some of our performances? Do you think branding my next gig as "Midwifing your drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual partners..." would get a few more people into the room? What would Larry think? :-)) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: you've got a point! RE: tough Beantown crowds > Well, if you don't play music suited to that venue, then you should > certainly find other venues. Clubs and bars (and cafes to a certain > extent) have music to provide a backdrop to the central matters at > hand: drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual > partners. > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:51 -0800 (PST), mike feeney > wrote: > > > > The problem I encounter too frequently with bars / > > clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds there > > aren't interested. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 20:57:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j291tMA07107; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:01:26 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: tough crowds = big cities? kind rooms = smaller towns?? To: Message-id: <006001c52443$85ef7a00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my experience when I've played small towns and out of the way locations the reception I receive is far warmer and more engaging than my experiences playing in Boston. Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me. Maybe it's just the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual partners... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 8 21:25:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j292LXv13639; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=O3bG+92k5Aq/IvCSi49m5INLeCEjIW5uCgmVIqqLf7zhxqvcSHm6JgiKrF358obGOnH1Ebjb3/r9YtMIvTRnrdICHCOVIlDjFhW6A5+i+iR+pWQ7eqgh7/U7uyj8I65PcsSTCS6gTrij124xuOtNAq4ULqkUVlq7fpdf3XSAGJs= ; Message-ID: <20050309021424.77459.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:14:24 -0800 (PST) From: William Klemmer Subject: Re: tough crowds = big cities? kind rooms = smaller towns?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-249000716-1110334464=:77423" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-249000716-1110334464=:77423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Beantown? There's a bunch of murderers in that town. David Kirkdorffer wrote:In my experience when I've played small towns and out of the way locations the reception I receive is far warmer and more engaging than my experiences playing in Boston. Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me. 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Beantown? There's a bunch of murderers in that town.

David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
In my experience when I've played small towns and out of the way locations
the reception I receive is far warmer and more engaging than my experiences
playing in Boston.

Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me. Maybe it's just
the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated
to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
partners...


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-249000716-1110334464=:77423-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 01:25:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j296NgO18063; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 01:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 01:23:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050308231237.2117aa40@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:18:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: All-Laptop live? In-Reply-To: References: <006401c5234e$4a292980$6801a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:37 PM 3/7/2005, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: >I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am thinking >about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz 15") and was >wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac and if so, what >software they use. Well, I'm coming in late to the party as usual (work's been killing me, so I'm behind on listmail), but since I somewhat resemble this scenario I should probably chime in.... In its simplest form, my new(est) setup has me utilizing one of the tiny 12" G4 Powerbooks to process and loop sound from my Chapman Stick. My host software is Ableton Live 4.1. Even beyond its core functionality, Ableton Live is great as a software mixer and VST/AU host. I'm using an Edirol FA-101 firewire soundcard -- which is 10-in, 10-out -- so I've been able to dispense with a mixer entirely by taking advantage of the extra feeds on the Edirol and routing/mixing directly within Live. Within Ableton, I'm using a couple instances of Augustus Loop for most of my looping. I've been playing around with SooperLooper as well, but I'm running into some flaky Jack issues at the moment and haven't been able to take full advantage of it. For effects, there are some excellent modules that already come with Ableton Live (I really like the filtered delay and the bit-reducer, for instance, and I believe Per has already mentioned Live's reverb). You can quickly eat up a lot of your CPU by piling these suckers on, however, so that fact prompted me to pick up a TC Electronics Powercore. That solution now allows me to offload my commonly used ambient effects -- like chorus, delay, and reverb -- to the Powercore, and save my CPU cycles for more esoteric plugs like Koen Tang's KTGranulator, Audio Damage's Dischord/Deverb, or DestroyFX's Skidder. I've got a couple of other outboard units integrated into the setup as well. I wanted to get the noise gate and compressor plug-ins off my CPU, so I've got the Stick run into an M-Audio DMP3 preamp to achieve proper gain staging, then into one of the new ART TCS dual optical-VCA compressors/expanders (or, rather, that's how things should look tomorrow afternoon: the ART was on backorder and FedEx has it en route to me even now). I thought I would be able to use the Powercore for this task, but it *does* add a tiny amount of latency, and given the fact that I frequently use compressors in an effects send (rather than an insert) I was starting to recreate some of the Repeater's "dry-mute" issues with inadvertent flanging. This Powercore quirk is actually really easy to correct for in a situation where you're using pre-recorded material (such as mixdown or mastering). However, this is "live" processing and not so easy to get around it here. Three other hardware units have made it into the setup: my Lexicon Vortex, because it's a new purchase and it's kewl and I've been dying to use it; a Yamaha Magicstomp, because it's a great little swiss-army-knife stompbox; and finally a Model-C Sustainiac. The Sustainiac is primarily tied into the laptop so that I can control which output from the Stick gets fed back into it (remember, the Chapman Stick has two outputs -- a bass side and a melody side), or I can feed back tones that have nothing to do with what I'm actually playing (i.e. synth drones). Back on the software side, I've got a lot of software synths, but I'm trying to be conservative and have as much sound generated live. However, if I were pressed to name a couple I can't live without, I'd definitely say Spectrasonics Atmosphere and Steinberg D'Cota. Also, since the Powercore sounds so good, I'm playing with the idea of grabbing the software version of the Access Virus too. Hrm, probably more info than you wanted there. Par for the course, for one of my typical posts, but hopefully you can get something from it.... --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 02:04:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2970SU23671; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Fv3B8JpSQMzX1ROpGpqqIBIRjZn4JjeOvyK/UaO1Q7s6HizemjdFbc8sFmZ7mb17mcPfPtd4lozUj7UtJ+NfJR7WX5wekW4K9bKenJMgwO7LqWD22JTfuziMMLuqw06iSXj+qH+UbuVw1q/Ck6jkxvRH2p3ktOyqJIfNFxhx5ds= ; Message-ID: <20050309065939.67991.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Corbett Subject: ambient clip i made To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/Members/000158389_000025047.mp3 This is the only thing like this I have recorded. Technically it isn't looped cause I made it with a DL-4 with a broken looper. It is one of the delay modes oscilating while I played over it. Hope to get some decent gear soon and make more stuff similar but better than this. Just thought I would share. Peace, John __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 02:59:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j297uKP29751; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:56:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:56:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BwK64Hg6XUOShWQlKhc/isfehepb76G5pbKA+3Xk36lbKqIjZkeDRaS5KHaVdv0jsKMW4vY00z4Sgy9deLhk/gZXmSdji9MFwCsLXPBf56wZJGfZAL9wnvBfOGgOgdu4YDVW5isIJsnrPkR+NOQz9NGcWUqvHjBwg6p0wu81O48= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:55:44 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050308231237.2117aa40@gemini.lunarpages.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <006401c5234e$4a292980$6801a8c0@khartung> <6.2.1.2.2.20050308231237.2117aa40@gemini.lunarpages.com> Resent-Message-ID: <88cTkC.A.YQH.HwqLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This all sounds very interesting--do you have any mustic posted? On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:18:42 -0600, Mech wrote: > At 02:37 PM 3/7/2005, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > >I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am thinking > >about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz 15") and was > >wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac and if so, what > >software they use. > > Well, I'm coming in late to the party as usual (work's been killing me, so > I'm behind on listmail), but since I somewhat resemble this scenario I > should probably chime in.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 03:06:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2983Zv32541; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 03:03:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 03:03:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.120] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:02:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2005 08:02:59.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[692CF380:01C5247E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The version I had of this in the late 70s was : A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less ...etc. Then there was the generalist who was so broadminded he was scatterbrained. >We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting >work... > >"An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less until he >knows everything about nothing." >"A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and more until >he knows nothing about everything." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 03:56:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j298qk006029; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 03:52:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 03:52:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.120] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050309021424.77459.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tough crowds = big cities? kind rooms = smaller towns?? Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:51:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2005 08:51:06.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[21CBECB0:01C52485] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For some strange reason alot of people seem to think musicians from somewhere else are more significant than the local ones,seems to be true all over.But folks in smaller towns tend have less entertainment options and are less jaded. Though with internet ,cable etc such distinctions are dissaperaring to some extent I generally find tough audiences boring,but for a band it's like lifting wieghts.The Beatles never would have gotten as good as they did if they hadn't played the joints they did in Hamburg.And they did 5 or 6 sets a night. Not that they were great players,but they were a great band cause they knew how to move people,What better way top learn than on the disinterested,if you can move them,the others are trivial. Carlos Santana started out playing blues in Whorehouses in Tijuana.If you really beleive people need booze to have a good time ,then I think it's a matter of using the club gigs and disinterested audiences for exercise.In which case the only worthwhile attitude is Take No Prisoners. Personally I prefer to play to the psychedelics crowd-they listen and are ready to be taken somewhere. But I know from experience it's possible to self promote.The idea that if you have a draw the clubs will hire you anyway means you have to cut them in on the profits.If you already have a draw,why do that? Same with recording deals .If I own 100% of the product I only have to sell 10% as much as the standard contracts,to make the same net. If I was in Boston ,where you can't spit without hitting a college,(there must be dozens in the greater area) I'd start doing free gigs on campuses, appear on college radio(always make friends with station mgrs and Djs ,remember their names for later promos Personal contact can get your stuff on the air.),and then advertise self produced events.Also student organizations have money to promote cultural events.Student groups also have free or very cheap use of campus facilities,and there are often people who are interested in learning to put on events who can work with you. People will tend to identify with music they hear and like during high school/college years.This is why major labels pay close attention to what's happening on campuses. At early stages it's not too hard to get people to help you fro little or nothing if they think it's going to go somewhere,or if they think they'll be able to soak up excess groupies,free beer, etc. Or you can find a wacko subculture to become the soundtrack for. For eccentrics like Ted-well I'm sure there aren't any others like him,but aside from old style polite quiet poetrey readings,there is the Poetry Slam movement,which prides itself on intensity, and dynamic delivery (Which can be torturous as well)Playing inventive music in such scenes can be very good indeed,artistically if not financially.I've performed with poets a number of times-great times. Art openings are another potential place to be heard by people with adventurous tastes,and generally include free wine and food. It's of course crucial to put out a mailing list next to the CDs and swag during all such outings. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 04:22:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j299JjZ11368; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 04:19:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 04:19:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KEJuxytrlF0rtk1hFNR7khEQxtQ3RaIYFuCXl/f6QXEIcg7VdRbmulnoOdH9vnhOKCsb7AxZSTG/m37E2qA/vcW511sD2N2/i/NzvdnkBJYm/Mvgpnkg2N2EZnRz6jcFW/KAgyNoSY+ViOzD2y7nDY19XSkGZKvfbAG3VWsCK1o= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 01:18:54 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tough crowds = big cities? kind rooms = smaller towns?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050309021424.77459.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:51:06 -0800, samba - wrote: > But I know from experience it's possible to self promote.The idea that if > you have a draw the clubs will hire you anyway means you have to cut them in > on the profits.If you already have a draw,why do that? Because not everyone has the money or time to set up their own shows. A club is a good solution if you're making music that's popular, particularly among people who like to buy drinks. If you're making non-popular music for non-drinkers, by all means rent out the Shriner's Hall. > If I was in Boston ,where you can't spit without hitting a college,(there > must be dozens in the greater area) I'd start doing free gigs on campuses, > appear on college radio(always make friends with station mgrs and Djs > ,remember their names for later promos Personal contact can get your stuff > on the air.),and then advertise self produced events.Also student > organizations have money to promote cultural events.Student groups also have > free or very cheap use of campus facilities,and there are often people who > are interested in learning to put on events who can work with you. If I never have to deal with another student group, it'll be too soon. By definition they don't know what they're doing--that's why they're in schoo.l And they tend to be flakey, self-important and there's a high turnover in student organizations. I found them frustrating when I was a student, and they don't seem to have improved in subsequent years. The other problem with trying to play a college is that you're competing with all the bands made up of...students. They're being subsidized by their folks or the government, they have the time to schmooze the students running the student center, and the stand a much better chance of being able to deliver an audience of students once they tell everyone in their dorm that they're playing a show in the quad on Saturday night. People > will tend to identify with music they hear and like during high > school/college years.This is why major labels pay close attention to what's > happening on campuses. At early stages it's not too hard to get people to > help you fro little or nothing if they think it's going to go somewhere,or > if they think they'll be able to soak up excess groupies,free beer, etc. Please. There's no such thing as "excess groupies". No wait--do they bring the free beer? 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The only caveat is that this = site currently works well only under Internet Explorer. In order to be = able to hear the ambient drones I created for the site, a Flash Player = must be activated, and JavaScript must be activated to use the pull-down = menues. If all this is properly adjusted on your computer, you should be = able to experience some doombient stuff 8-). Please pay special = attention to the "News" section as well as to the "Biography" section as = there were some bits added. Thanks for your attention, and apologies for having wasted bandwidth = last week. Any feedback is of course highly appreciated. Hope it works well for = you, best, Stephen.=20 PS: If this email has reached you in error, please let us know you = don=B4t want to be bothered anymore. _________________________________________________________________________= _ "Losing all hope is freedom." 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To all Dutch members on this list this = should be=20 "ouwe koek" (to all you non-native Dutch speakers, it=B4s old news) but = Frank has=20 tweaked our website doombient.com (see link below) a bit (there were = some minor=20 problems at first so all who were a little irritated by what they = encountered=20 should give it another try). The only caveat is that this site currently = works=20 well only under Internet Explorer. In order to be able to hear the = ambient=20 drones I created for the site, a Flash Player must be activated, and = JavaScript=20 must be activated to use the pull-down menues. If all this is properly = adjusted=20 on your computer, you should be able to experience some doombient = stuff=20 8-). Please pay special attention to the "News" section as well as to = the=20 "Biography" section as there were some bits added.
 
Thanks for your attention, and = apologies for having=20 wasted bandwidth last week.
 
Any feedback is of course highly = appreciated. Hope=20 it works well for you, best,
 
Stephen. 
 
PS: If this email has reached you in = error, please=20 let us know you don=B4t want to be bothered = anymore.
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C524A0.A76664C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 09:29:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29EQeW29889; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,150,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="10609332:sNHT18509824" Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <145ef5a6.da5ebac0.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2ieD8B.A.USH.KewLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And how would one invert the phase? Use two mics? Travis: > >A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase. > >> Tom: >> >> Here's my first problem: >> When looping live with other players, is there any way to >> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other >> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 09:55:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29Er8W02684; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:53:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ERzlI7/Tf1KiHZ1snqlQ5jc/2ONDRg9lX8bt4wvvZ+1HeTJzsynzvsAhiHDmLAt604/Jlc4hToE7bmPAPMeOON/9LFY2jA3BrskdAk6AgOoRx018RAup8TELJFZ4Mrrdsp94gtrNNxrVANO4omFBTEUd8NFmuvZwPvdlShEJs8k= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:52:18 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question In-Reply-To: <145ef5a6.da5ebac0.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <145ef5a6.da5ebac0.81f9100@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which has a phase invert switch. Really. On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500, tohall@rcn.com wrote: > And how would one invert the phase? > Use two mics? > > Travis: > > > >A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 10:11:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29F9Dv07703; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:09:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:09:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=x+HnwkzYkxCyOeFUWYQXenEyC59XYardvEbWzPTkeeKCynrTEjNsL1dOaONeCK1iAZz/X+bxxqhjTTW3R2nhvXu5X6LQJrv4cdSlHGIvATIo8NP99Or7M1vyJSHZTbhS5ZK6McIQvOGavaWD61n/MD/ApiN9GqaIqL+yFdDjD/E= ; Message-ID: <20050309150720.34916.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:07:19 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does inverting the phase accomplish? I guess I don't understand what that means exactly. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which > has a phase invert > switch. Really. > > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500, tohall@rcn.com > wrote: > > And how would one invert the phase? > > Use two mics? > > > > Travis: > > > > > >A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert > the phase. > > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 10:15:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29FCsg08363; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:12:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:12:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,150,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="10621041:sNHT20365260" Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:10:57 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6DKWSB.A.__B.9IxLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool - I googled it, but only came up with the 2 mic thing. I'll have to try it. Does it affect the sound quality much? ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:52:18 -0800 >From: Travis Hartnett >Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which has a phase invert >switch. Really. > > >On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500, tohall@rcn.com wrote: >> And how would one invert the phase? >> Use two mics? >> >> Travis: >> > >> >A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 10:40:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29Fai111878; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:36:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:36:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TqlIexgdvzoXVhnCjYDwSqXJ/6dIRIvQN9fstOzqsQof6uvbwyPDyrMvYUq8T6/t5anLJ6Q0rbo6UuR8yNwQwdXJFIfww5MVKutv4NLNnBbfDrHBESILZevceV7y6OgphD1jJIdT6i4CBrSrFbcHxMuEOunkZ/oeQ1pfjGohQgE= ; Message-ID: <20050309153507.47645.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: tough crowds = big cities? kind rooms = smaller towns?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Samba man i am with you! if i can get the disinterested ones to listen to what i like to play, then i ive made it(well and the girls attention too off course) cheers Luis --- samba - wrote: > For some strange reason alot of people seem to > think musicians from > somewhere else are more significant than the local > ones,seems to be true all > over.But folks in smaller towns tend have less > entertainment options and are > less jaded. Though with internet ,cable etc such > distinctions are > dissaperaring to some extent > I generally find tough audiences boring,but for a > band it's like lifting > wieghts.The Beatles never would have gotten as good > as they did if they > hadn't played the joints they did in Hamburg.And > they did 5 or 6 sets a > night. Not that they were great players,but they > were a great band cause > they knew how to move people,What better way top > learn than on the > disinterested,if you can move them,the others are > trivial. Carlos Santana > started out playing blues in Whorehouses in > Tijuana.If you really beleive > people need booze to have a good time ,then I think > it's a matter of using > the club gigs and disinterested audiences for > exercise.In which case the > only worthwhile attitude is Take No Prisoners. > Personally I prefer to > play to the psychedelics crowd-they listen and are > ready to be taken > somewhere. > But I know from experience it's possible to self > promote.The idea that if > you have a draw the clubs will hire you anyway means > you have to cut them in > on the profits.If you already have a draw,why do > that? > Same with recording deals .If I own 100% of the > product I only have to > sell 10% as much as the standard contracts,to make > the same net. > If I was in Boston ,where you can't spit without > hitting a college,(there > must be dozens in the greater area) I'd start doing > free gigs on campuses, > appear on college radio(always make friends with > station mgrs and Djs > ,remember their names for later promos Personal > contact can get your stuff > on the air.),and then advertise self produced > events.Also student > organizations have money to promote cultural > events.Student groups also have > free or very cheap use of campus facilities,and > there are often people who > are interested in learning to put on events who can > work with you. People > will tend to identify with music they hear and like > during high > school/college years.This is why major labels pay > close attention to what's > happening on campuses. At early stages it's not too > hard to get people to > help you fro little or nothing if they think it's > going to go somewhere,or > if they think they'll be able to soak up excess > groupies,free beer, etc. Or > you can find a wacko subculture to become the > soundtrack for. > For eccentrics like Ted-well I'm sure there aren't > any others like him,but > aside from old style polite quiet poetrey > readings,there is the Poetry Slam > movement,which prides itself on intensity, and > dynamic delivery (Which can > be torturous as well)Playing inventive music in such > scenes can be very good > indeed,artistically if not financially.I've > performed with poets a number of > times-great times. Art openings are another > potential place to be heard by > people with adventurous tastes,and generally include > free wine and food. > It's of course crucial to put out a mailing list > next to the CDs and swag > during all such outings. > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 10:50:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29FmA613520; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:48:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:48:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.156.121.210] X-Originating-Email: [precise75@hotmail.com] X-Sender: precise75@hotmail.com From: "thomas Giles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MPC 2000 OS Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:47:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2005 15:47:06.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F179230:01C524BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whats the most recent MPC 2000 OS and where can I download it? _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 11:44:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29GgHl22525; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:42:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:42:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050309150720.34916.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050309150720.34916.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:41:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0EKgNC.A.UeF.DdyLCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's an old trick to get rid of ambient noise. when i was working as a location sound recordist i knew of some colleagues who would put up a second mic and capture just the ambience of the room they were working in. later, by reversing the phase of that second track they could cancel out the background noise. it's the same idea as those "vocal eliminators" you could get at radio shack. since most recordings place the vocals in the center, this box would reverse the phase and recombine the audio and this would cause just the centered vocal to drop out - though there often was reverb and other effects that might still remain. instant kareoke. this technique works best when one has two sources with the same audio - otherwise there'd be nothing to cancel - so i'm not quite sure if it would be helpful in this situation. i think isolation is the key here. cheers bruce On Mar 9, 2005, at 10:07 AM, mike feeney wrote: > > What does inverting the phase accomplish? I guess I > don't understand what that means exactly. > > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: >> The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which >> has a phase invert >> switch. Really. >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500, tohall@rcn.com >> wrote: >>> And how would one invert the phase? >>> Use two mics? >>> >>> Travis: >>>> >>>> A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert >> the phase. >>>> >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 12:25:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29HKrT30481; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:20:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:20:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050309091329.057871a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:21:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ot: Kim on TV... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:22 AM 3/8/2005, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: >WOW >turned on the tele last nite to catch my friend on the Discovery >channel show POWERTOOL DRAG RACING. she was driving 'The Phoenix Chainsaw >Chopper' and she lost :-( >and next, to my surprise there's KIMFLINT and partner, together called > w/ their radio controlled chainsaw and their >contraption beats and wins the race. >coupla interviews w/ Kim and it all looked too cool... >good to see you get out once in a while, Kim haha, glad you caught that Stan. Yep, that was me on the teevee. I'm now a reality tv star, just like everyone else. We're on again next week for episode 3 of the Power Tool Drag Races, 8pm and 11pm, discovery channel. We had a lot of fun doing that. For loop content, Brian Kenny Fresno performed his version of the national anthem to start the races on the second day. (ohh, let's drink some beer!) They probably won't put that in the show though. But it is an example of alternative venues to find a gig. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 13:23:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29ILDA09053; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:21:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422F3E44.5060903@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ot: Kim on TV... References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050309091329.057871a0@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050309091329.057871a0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim!! Congrats on beating the Apocalyptic Fist of Death, and becoming a Star!! Seriously - Amazing stuff - looks like FUN!! I found pics of you setting up your machine here: http://www.teamkiss.com/powertool/powertooldragrace2.html (down a few pics, just after The Bitch beltsander) I think Kim is the one in the hat. (I've decided I'm going to move to San Francisco and make a million $$'s selling hats) So, you've moved on to loops that tear up 100' stretches of chipboard now, huh? Dig Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:22 AM 3/8/2005, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > >> WOW >> turned on the tele last nite to catch my friend on the >> Discovery >> channel show POWERTOOL DRAG RACING. she was driving 'The Phoenix >> Chainsaw >> Chopper' and she lost :-( >> and next, to my surprise there's KIMFLINT and partner, together called >> w/ their radio controlled chainsaw and their >> contraption beats and wins the race. >> coupla interviews w/ Kim and it all looked too cool... >> good to see you get out once in a while, Kim > > > haha, glad you caught that Stan. Yep, that was me on the teevee. I'm > now a reality tv star, just like everyone else. We're on again next > week for episode 3 of the Power Tool Drag Races, 8pm and 11pm, > discovery channel. We had a lot of fun doing that. > > For loop content, Brian Kenny Fresno performed his version of the > national anthem to start the races on the second day. (ohh, let's > drink some beer!) They probably won't put that in the show though. But > it is an example of alternative venues to find a gig. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 14:11:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29J8TN23570; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006001c52443$85ef7a00$0affff0a@hppav> References: <1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9@aol.com> <006001c52443$85ef7a00$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:41:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: tough crowds = big cities? kind rooms = smaller towns?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:01 PM -0500 3/8/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >In my experience when I've played small towns and out of the way locations >the reception I receive is far warmer and more engaging than my experiences >playing in Boston. > >Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me. Maybe it's just >the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated >to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual >partners... This is sometimes extremely strangely so. I played a loop and sound gig at a coffeehouse in Louisville, CO. A fairly conservative little town between Boulder and Denver. I played with Erik Deutsch and Farrell Lowe, who are both practitioners of some pretty strange stuff and I brought as many toys and loops as I could muster and it was a fairly dense couple of sets. Not only did everyone who started with it stay the evening, but the crowd actually grew as time went on! It renewed my faith in humanity! Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 14:18:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29JG0h25375; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:16:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:16:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <422F4BA2.60001@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:16:50 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) References: <20050307203331.53006.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050307203331.53006.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7huwHD.A.RJG.Xt0LCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there anything similar for pc ? luca mike feeney wrote: >A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage >of this kind, hosts the plug-ins, and provides a >visual mixer. Runs both audio busses and software >instruments. I haven't actually purchased it yet to >try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously. > >http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/ > >I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot >controller to do looping with SooperLooper and to >control effects, etc. So far, so good. > >Mike > > >--- Kris Hartung wrote: > > >>What software are you running to host your effect >>plugins? I ended up >>using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I >>can use the high >>quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I >>bought a VST to >>RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins >>compatable with Pro >>Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll >>them. I bought a PC >>midi connection device through a recommendation from >>Per. I think it is >>just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or >>contollers to the >>patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run >>the mBox through >>the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop >>will be side-by-side >>on my rack. >> >>Kris >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] >>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A >>poll--shoes off?) >> >> >> >>This is where I'm heading. I have just about >>everything in order, running on my Macs at home. >>Now >>I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. >>=) >> >>Mike >> >> >> >>--- hazard factor wrote: >> >> >>>So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>line-out to the PA? I >>>heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does >>> >>> >>anyone >> >> >>>at least use Abelton >>>Live as a live looper? >>> >>>BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots >>>are up to date. >>> >>>Dave Eichenberger >>>http://www.hazardfactor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and >>>> >>>> >>getting >> >> >>>rid of >>> >>> >>>>others....just one step closer to going all >>>> >>>> >>>laptop. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 14:19:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29JGin25556; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:16:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:16:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1b0301c524dc$5c409ab0$2f01a8c0@sTRANGEpOD> Reply-To: "Patrick Grant" From: "Patrick Grant" To: References: <1d7.3829eaa9.2f5f39f9@aol.com> <006001c52443$85ef7a00$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: tough crowds = big cities? kind rooms = smaller towns?? Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:15:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3vAk1.A.uJG.Yt0LCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 8:01 PM -0500 3/8/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me. Maybe it's just >the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated >to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual >partners... > This phenomenon is best summed up in Sartre's masterpiece "Bean and Nothingness." -PG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 14:24:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29JLwc26962; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:21:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503091921.j29JLZx26743@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <422F4BA2.60001@unguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUk3G7JOL47E0BdTDaqYrZiUd6mBgAAGW9w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chainer http://www.xlutop.com/ Similar but, doesn't seem to be very active of late. I have it and use it but, would like to see more done to it. Try http://www.kvraudio.com for more hosts. -----Original Message----- From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Is there anything similar for pc ? luca mike feeney wrote: >A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage of this kind, >hosts the plug-ins, and provides a visual mixer. Runs both audio >busses and software instruments. I haven't actually purchased it yet >to try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously. > >http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/ > >I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to do looping >with SooperLooper and to control effects, etc. So far, so good. > >Mike > > >--- Kris Hartung wrote: > > >>What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up >>using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high >>quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to >>RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro >>Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a >>PC midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think >>it is just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to >>the patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run the mBox >>through the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be >>side-by-side on my rack. >> >>Kris >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] >>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) >> >> >> >>This is where I'm heading. I have just about >>everything in order, running on my Macs at home. >>Now >>I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. >>=) >> >>Mike >> >> >> >>--- hazard factor wrote: >> >> >>>So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>line-out to the PA? I >>>heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does >>> >>> >>anyone >> >> >>>at least use Abelton >>>Live as a live looper? >>> >>>BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots >>>are up to date. >>> >>>Dave Eichenberger >>>http://www.hazardfactor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and >>>> >>>> >>getting >> >> >>>rid of >>> >>> >>>>others....just one step closer to going all >>>> >>>> >>>laptop. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 14:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29JlIY31539; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:47:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <422F52AA.4020609@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:46:50 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) References: <200503091921.j29JLZx26743@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200503091921.j29JLZx26743@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4J2ROC.A.HpH.uK1LCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plogue Bidule is a great all purpose host with strong MIDI mapping capabilities. http://plogue.com/ Dig Alan Kroeger wrote: >Chainer >http://www.xlutop.com/ >Similar but, doesn't seem to be very active of late. I have it and use it >but, would like to see more done to it. >Try http://www.kvraudio.com for more hosts. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:17 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) > >Is there anything similar for pc ? >luca > >mike feeney wrote: > > > >>A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage of this kind, >>hosts the plug-ins, and provides a visual mixer. Runs both audio >>busses and software instruments. I haven't actually purchased it yet >>to try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously. >> >>http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/ >> >>I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to do looping >>with SooperLooper and to control effects, etc. So far, so good. >> >>Mike >> >> >>--- Kris Hartung wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up >>>using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high >>>quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to >>>RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro >>>Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a >>>PC midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think >>>it is just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to >>>the patches, their parameters, etc. Basically, I'll run the mBox >>>through the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be >>>side-by-side on my rack. >>> >>>Kris >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] >>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) >>> >>> >>> >>>This is where I'm heading. I have just about >>>everything in order, running on my Macs at home. >>>Now >>>I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. >>>=) >>> >>>Mike >>> >>> >>> >>>--- hazard factor wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>a >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>line-out to the PA? I >>>>heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>anyone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>at least use Abelton >>>>Live as a live looper? >>>> >>>>BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots >>>>are up to date. >>>> >>>>Dave Eichenberger >>>>http://www.hazardfactor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I'm using my laptop for some effects, and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>getting >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>rid of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>others....just one step closer to going all >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>laptop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >>>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >>>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ >> >> >>. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 15:55:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29Kqjf10157; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 15:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 15:52:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: I'm selling my 2 Vortexes, Akira, Boss SX-700, etc Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c524e9$b1259fa0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 106, in=205, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2G82FC.A.GbC._G2LCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all - In support of my goal to move much of my gear to my laptop, I plan to put a lot of my gear on eBay this weekend, but before I do so, I thought I would make some of these units available to the group at a fixed price, not including shipping. Some of these units are discussed a lot on LP. If anyone is interested, I can accept PayPal payment only, because this is how I plan to purchase some new gear and software. Feel free to send me questions too. 1. Two Lexicon Vortex Units and two footswitches - $140 each or $280 for both One unit has a brand new encoder installed by myself and works perfectly. The other unit worked fine when I bought it. I also have a few extra encoders to throw into the package. 2. Alesis Akira - $150 (this is a steal given what they are selling for used now on eBay) 3. Boss SX-700 Multi Effects Processor - $180 I've had this for years....it is a real workhorse. I think they sell used for more than than this. 4. Behringer UltraLink Pro Splitter/Mixer - $90 5. Line 6 Pod XT Pro (rackmount) - $400 (barely used...maybe 4 hours tops) You can see and hear some of this gear here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Kris ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 16:11:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j29L8gg14186; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c524eb$e1224080$158f1518@krusty> From: "Gene" To: Subject: gear spam: Boss RC-20 for sale Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:06:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C524A8.D1AED9D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: gene@anomalyinc.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - endeavour.dnsvelocity.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - geneehrbar.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C524A8.D1AED9D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I'm going all-software as well, so the Boss RC-20 is going on the block. = I thought I'd post it here before tossing it on ebay, since I figure = someone around these parts may be interested. Slightly used, like new = except for a few scratches on the back (where the jacks are). Includes = separately-sold wall wart. Looks like these are going for around $200 = on ebay, so the first two bills gets it. Shipping within the US is on = me, and paypal would be preferred. Sorry for the waste o' bandwidth -- we now return you to your regularly = scheduled programming. cheers, gene ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C524A8.D1AED9D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
I'm going all-software as well, so the = Boss RC-20=20 is going on the block.  I thought I'd post it here before tossing = it on=20 ebay, since I figure someone around these parts may be interested.  = Slightly used, like new except for a few scratches on the back (where = the jacks=20 are).  Includes separately-sold wall wart.  Looks like these = are going=20 for around $200 on ebay, so the first two bills gets it.  Shipping = within=20 the US is on me, and paypal would be preferred.
 
Sorry for the waste o' bandwidth -- we = now return=20 you to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
cheers,
gene
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C524A8.D1AED9D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 21:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2A2hl906635; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:43:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:43:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wCUmJvyUiKc7ENuIPic/5cxZuY660zbojNnNCIrpRdStnjUdIW4EglLxuBV/nkB9j+zECaQ+HESGw1vqC3QO/b2PwJVFlfShTN3GdWlcx4PAopC8geOAfMBYu1K2PuyZZ1n9EGWeVzEyEaPPAPg3ikfgsRyqruQPcnZXaPUYU0I= ; Message-ID: <20050310024309.31296.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:43:09 -0600 (CST) From: Carlos Ufret-Vincenty Subject: Re: gear spam: Boss RC-20 for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-898879310-1110422589=:28957" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-898879310-1110422589=:28957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is it the newer XL version or the old one? Thanks, -c. Gene wrote: Hello all, I'm going all-software as well, so the Boss RC-20 is going on the block. I thought I'd post it here before tossing it on ebay, since I figure someone around these parts may be interested. Slightly used, like new except for a few scratches on the back (where the jacks are). Includes separately-sold wall wart. Looks like these are going for around $200 on ebay, so the first two bills gets it. Shipping within the US is on me, and paypal would be preferred. Sorry for the waste o' bandwidth -- we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. cheers, gene --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. --0-898879310-1110422589=:28957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Is it the newer XL version or the old one? Thanks,
-c.

Gene <gene@geneehrbar.com> wrote:
Hello all,
 
I'm going all-software as well, so the Boss RC-20 is going on the block.  I thought I'd post it here before tossing it on ebay, since I figure someone around these parts may be interested.  Slightly used, like new except for a few scratches on the back (where the jacks are).  Includes separately-sold wall wart.  Looks like these are going for around $200 on ebay, so the first two bills gets it.  Shipping within the US is on me, and paypal would be preferred.
 
Sorry for the waste o' bandwidth -- we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
cheers,
gene



Do You Yahoo!?
Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo.
Visíta Yahoo! Noticias.
--0-898879310-1110422589=:28957-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 22:11:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2A37ec11465; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:07:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:07:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:14:37 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Subscape Annex, 13 March 2005, Raleigh NC (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My group Subscape Annex, with fellow listlooper Adrian Likins, is playing this Sunday night in Raleigh NC. If you're in the area and stop by, say hello please. obLoop: Between myself and Adrian, we tend to use some combination of the following loopers in performance: 2 E-H 16sec reissues, 1 RC-20, 1 Line6 DL-4, 1 Akai Headrush E1, and a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. thanks, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Subscape Annex, 13 March 2005, Raleigh NC The ambient/industrial improvisational looping trio Subscape Annex plays this Sunday night as part of the Dirge Factory night at the Underground (formerly the Old Bar of Charlie Goodnight's), in Raleigh NC. For this performance, Rob Lewis will not be joining Anthony Staton and Steve Burnett. Adrian Likins (of Phasmatodea) will join Anthony and Steve for the evening. Showtime is 10:30 to 11:30, and the cover is $2. Venue: http://www.comeunderground.com/ Directions: http://www.comeunderground.com/directions.html The Dirge Factory night is held Sunday evenings at the Underground. For more information on the Dirge Factory, see their website: http://www.dirge-factory.com/ best, Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 9 23:39:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2A4aar25815; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:36:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050309100503.21178d00@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:31:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? In-Reply-To: References: <006401c5234e$4a292980$6801a8c0@khartung> <6.2.1.2.2.20050308231237.2117aa40@gemini.lunarpages.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6M2DC.A.bSG.z68LCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:55 AM 3/9/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >This all sounds very interesting--do you have any mustic posted? Thanks Travis! I gotta get some more recent material up, 'cause I've not anything that shows off the new setup yet. It seems everytime I'm being "brilliant" I don't have the recorder on, and every time the recorder's on I'm nothing but crap... :D I do actually have one or two things online at http://www.m3ch.net/5.html . For one, there's a Quicktime clip that was taken of one of my solo laptop performances at http://www.m3ch.net/downloads/WellspringV.mov although it has nothing to do with Looping, per se. All standard disclaimers apply. You can ignore the visual aspect, as it's utterly throwaway (it's just me on a stage hunched over a laptop -- bleh!). My wife hasn't yet taken the time to strip off just the audio -- she's the one who recorded and transferred the video -- or else I'd post that alone. Sorry for the huge filesize (17Mb). That performance was done during the evening's Bardic Circle at a Druid Gathering -- essentially the "open mic night" of the get-together. Typically, these things are full of nothing but Celtic folktunes, Pirate shanties, and bad poetry readings, so I decided to quickly throw something together that would provide a more electric counterpoint to the normally granola-crunchy fare. And further down that same webpage you'll also find some links to one of the live recordings I've done with MEME (Midwest Experimental Music Ensemble). This particular performance is one we gave out in Cleveland last August, and parts of it do actually feature some Looping. While it's not solo work, I think fully 3/4th's of the group are on the LD list here. At least mebbe this proves that I occasionally do something other than talk about how to configure gear (hey I even wonder myself, sometimes...). ;) --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 00:26:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2A5MY700900; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:22:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: I'm selling my 2 Vortexes, Akira, Boss SX-700, etc Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:22:05 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c52531$193b2960$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003801c524e9$b1259fa0$6801a8c0@khartung> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.661000 Adult word snatch=0.7,Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 107, in=241, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of these are on eBay already. See below. ********************* Hello all - In support of my goal to move much of my gear to my laptop, I plan to put a lot of my gear on eBay this weekend, but before I do so, I thought I would make some of these units available to the group at a fixed price, not including shipping. Some of these units are discussed a lot on LP. If anyone is interested, I can accept PayPal payment only, because this is how I plan to purchase some new gear and software. Feel free to send me questions too. 1. Two Lexicon Vortex Units and two footswitches - $140 each or $280 for both I'm still waiting for LP members to snatch these up. One person seems ready to buy. Both go on eBay in two days 2. Alesis Akira - $150 (this is a steal given what they are selling for used now on eBay) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307018748&ssPag eName=STRK:MESE:IT 3. Boss SX-700 Multi Effects Processor - $180 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307017852&ssPag eName=STRK:MESE:IT I've had this for years....it is a real workhorse. I think they sell used for more than than this. 4. Behringer UltraLink Pro Splitter/Mixer - $90 5. Line 6 Pod XT Pro (rackmount) - $400 (barely used...maybe 4 hours tops) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307016903&ssPag eName=STRK:MESE:IT You can see and hear some of this gear here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Kris ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 03:25:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2A8MoH26150; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:22:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:22:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BVsQaAz9ilbMyyXcUZ20CVNmEUWltDy+Z97ufa7DbNJxUykYmhwDh2EgqrX+S5Vs5wRcqILNFSdpgcuug3mxvV+r99UWDBanyVi9AXEREFxnQUBA48M6PoHwsBLys/UMmRy+sckdJBx5wtpfC51KrhU4hRcaaWancIIUXRzb2xk= ; Message-ID: <20050310082207.99785.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: looping and using monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <83ssAB.A.qXG.0OAMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bro are these the ones u are talking about? http://www.audioreview.com/headphones-home-audio/headphones/RCA/PRD_126234_2750crx.aspx cheers Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I"ve already posted this but since this discussion > has come up: > > I am using Radio Shack wireless headphones straight > off of my tape out on my > Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. > > I bought them on sale for $70 and they are > FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!! > > the sound quality is good and, as a > multi-instrumentalist I have the freedom > to rove around, > switch instruments, tweak my gear, run out and dance > in the middle of the > audience been known to happen> ................all the while > listening perfectly to > my loops. > > They also have enough bleed through so that if I"m > playing with my brother > (who uses guitar amps for > some monitoring) I can hear him perfectly. > > The only thing you might want to do is put them in a > hard shell carrying > case as they are cheaply built with > plastic or, hell, buy a second set they are sooooo > damned cheap. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 03:29:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2A8LAg25949; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:20:28 +0000 From: Norman Lamont X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal Reply-To: Norman Lamont X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <913744361.20050310082028@normanlamont.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-20 Loop station questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers-Delight, I imagine there are a few people in this group using these, so I'dlike to draw on your experience: 1 - why is it that the rhythm guide on the RC20 runs ahead of any drum machine or other beat that I match it to? It stays matched for a few bars then gradually runs ahead. I had hoped to run a drum machine alongside it but they can't stay in sync at all, not even roughly in sync. 2 - I can't get the auto start mode to work. It's supposed to start recording as soon as you play a note, but it never starts; I've tried having the input level at max, so it's defintely getting a signal. Does this work for others - which may mean I have a faulty unit? 3 - I know you can use a foot pedal to step through the loops you've stored - is there any way to step backwards through them too? I've seen Jim White use the RC20 live and get great results, but I haven't seen him since I got mine, so I don't know how he does it! -- Best regards, Norman mailto:groups@normanlamont.com www.normanlamont.com http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 06:27:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ABMsq19883; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:22:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=K6qpXkOzctjomSwsQESAgkpINLQsjQ26XeyhvrBmBmfLqtF/+41KAjj5/p+h+mb5pN3W1IEFcxyks1JFOCkXWACugCx4ydHTJyYWC532uDXjesl7tajPJEzNWKLgoBw3eHZhPVpO2sqShC6bUMxWEazAXYD0T02kkin2kcnyg2M= Message-ID: <146cdfa705031003216a4b71c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:21:44 +0100 From: Marco Ronci Reply-To: Marco Ronci To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) In-Reply-To: <422F4BA2.60001@unguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050307203331.53006.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> <422F4BA2.60001@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0YUZaC.A.J1E.R3CMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:16:50 +0100, Luca Formentini wrote: > Is there anything similar for pc ? > luca Console (http://www.console.jp/eng/index.html) Cheap, efficient and modular. Host for both VST and DX. Ciao Marco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 11:20:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AGFrD03479; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.200] X-Originating-Email: [garrettpetters@hotmail.com] X-Sender: garrettpetters@hotmail.com From: "Garrett Petters" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:14:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 16:14:57.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D41BC50:01C5258C] Resent-Message-ID: <-DpTFB.A.Gz.VKHMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater? _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 11:24:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AGLCq04987; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:21:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BDlt4E9CZ2SEDFhWQIDVyLkWfZmV3qqEn9DV0My2OQQwIzSXThOG+f1p+rJ/7UuCCspjPl8Ddz0iH+F7r473PJYVRdgOpLiFekQJZIPrYGAIJnb7gBkdm9D9nseqTgyXTfSMs061Go/+scHo2eHaoCjaYluAk6hhM6Yhy2sYVZA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:19:09 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Behringer. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:14:56 -0500, Garrett Petters wrote: > what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 11:52:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AGl2510154; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.151.206.83] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Unidentified subject! Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:44:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 16:44:52.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B7942B0:01C52590] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi mate welcome to the list the cheapest ótion for this type of set up could well be the zoom 2100, its going totally for dirt at the moment (under 30 pounds )and it has an easily acssesible record- retrigger sampler that i think has the time you need. it also has another mode when you can split the pedal up into three six second samplers which you can record and trigger individually. or as the blurb says here are a few features of the zoom 2100 user 30/preset 30 programs total of 33 effects with upto 7 used at once 13 types of distortion effect 32 sec sampling function for phase training jam play quick sampler with 5 sec X3 banks the seperate pedal gives wha type functions the unit is great for the money and is one of the few in its era and class that you can bypass each patch when your not using it and also opt out of scrolling through zooms nasty presets. if you want more info just contact me. Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface >From: "nato sp" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Unidentified subject! >Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:27:06 -0500 > >Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. >I'd appreciate any answer(s) that I can get. > >I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping >pedal. I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are >complex and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them >while I sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a >riff of 10 seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want >any other functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one >another. > >Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my >best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to >samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help! > >Thanks, > >nato > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 11:53:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AGlvd10329; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:47:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:47:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c52590$af6cd230$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re: what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:46:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater? Behringer FCB1010, surely ! http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=ENG For more information look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ Bye Fabio http://stage.vitaminic.com/eterogeneo http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. 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http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Art is making something out of nothing and selling it." -- Frank Zappa (194= 0 - 1993)
--part1_190.3b6e0cf7.2f61df4d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 12:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AHh6t21741; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:43:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c52598$855a9510$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200503091921.j29JLZx26743@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:40:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AudioMulch, EnergyXT, Plogue/Bidule all are freebies. I like AM the best. You can get some seriously twisted effect/synth configurations in there. MIDI controllable, plays wav files as loops, etc. Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:17 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) > > Is there anything similar for pc ? > luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 15:03:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AJwKx14129; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: found tapes Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:56:34 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:54:37 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.114.215 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <1qUZvC.A._WD.uaKMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "... picking up the bits, knots and clods of thrown away cassette tape that one ever so often sees lying or hanging around in the streets, parks, fields ..." http://www.harsmedia.com/Chronson/FT http://www.harsmedia.com/Chronson/FT/more.html Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 15:13:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AK9pw17557; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:09:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:09:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.58b0b1b6.2f620360@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:09:04 EST Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.58b0b1b6.2f620360_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12f.58b0b1b6.2f620360_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes: > zoom 2100 > --part1_12f.58b0b1b6.2f620360_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes:


zoom 2100


--part1_12f.58b0b1b6.2f620360_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 15:19:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2AKDxY18554; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:13:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.38b05b55.2f620441@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:12:49 EST Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d8.38b05b55.2f620441_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <-vSs1B.A.weE.XpKMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d8.38b05b55.2f620441_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes: > zoom 2100 > this is a great little box.....you will want to get the expression pedal for it.....if i saw them around here i would buy several.....i love mine.....mk --part1_1d8.38b05b55.2f620441_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes:


zoom 2100

this is a great little box.....you will want to get the expression pedal for= it.....if i saw them around here i would buy several.....i love mine.....mk=
--part1_1d8.38b05b55.2f620441_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 21:11:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2B28ME18507; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:08:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8d8a725cc93099557a8e1fe192092f1a@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Analogue Heaven , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: FS: Electrix Filter Factory Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:07:23 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i love this thing, but don't need two of them. well, two are great ... but i need the money. this one is not the one pictured on my website with all the MIDI CC# labels. this is in nicer shape, actually. $175 plus shipping includes box, AC cable, manual, and warranty card (ha!) thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 10 22:37:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2B3YWM31216; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:34:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:32:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c525eb$0573e1f0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 108, in=246, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing? Kris 1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). No VST, but supposedly in the future for XP http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software. Runs as VST. http://www.zonemobius.com/ 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html (I just bought this one and the PSP 84) 6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 - VST plugin http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 00:13:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2B5ACg15913; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: First of two of my Vortex units on eBay Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:09:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c525f8$81eb8460$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 108, in=234, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First of two of my Vortex units on eBay: Vortex and Footswitch http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307290306&ssPag eName=STRK:MESE:IT Two of these units expressed plural...Vorteces? Hmmmm. :) Kris P.S. Update on my VST effect purchases: I just purchased the Lexicon PSP 42 and 84 plugins, plus Antares Filter. In a few days I order Antares Kantos...an amazing VST plugin that has all sorts of synth sounds that sound great on the guitar. Also, I now have three VST looping plugins working in ProTools, Mobius, LoopyLama, and AngstroLooper. Notebook system here I come!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 00:59:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2B5vDp21109; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:57:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:57:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050310234407.0978aa60@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:54:48 -0600 To: From: Mech Subject: Re: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) In-Reply-To: <000901c525eb$0573e1f0$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <000901c525eb$0573e1f0$6801a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:32 PM 3/10/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: >I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in >the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not >all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing? Musolomo ( http://www.plasq.com ) is an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware Looper. I downloaded the darn thing a few weeks ago, but haven't had a chance to really work with it. You're probably best-off getting more details from the website... --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 01:13:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2B6BPH23994; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c52600$d32e4e90$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050310234407.0978aa60@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 108, in=210, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent responses from everyone! I have ten in the list now. Now I just have to sit down and try out all of the VST versions this weekend! :) Kris *************************************** 1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). No VST, but supposedly in the future for XP. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software. (VST). http://www.zonemobius.com/ 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html (I just bought this one and the PSP 84) 6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST) http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin) http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ 9. AngstroLooper: a rediculously long delay, it partly emulates an old style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while playing live (VST plugin) http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware Looper. http://www.plasq.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 09:51:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BEmMY30332; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:48:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:48:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12589909.1110552422714.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:47:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoom 2100 and 505 Re: Unidentified subject! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
The 2100 is a great bang for the buck, and about the size and weight of a carton of cigs! I'm glad the music stores offered me an insultingly low price for mine, because I came to my senses and realized what a great little box it was/is, and kept it. I will stick with it just as I stick with my Zoom 505, which, like the 2100, does 3 or 4 things beautifully, and that's enough for me.
BTW, anyone know how to tame the hiss on a 505? It started suddenly after many trouble-free years of use. It is intermittent, and sometimes occurs even when the 505 is the only thing in the chain.Gating is not really an option for me, becuase "on again/off again" walls of hiss are even more irritating than steady-state hiss.
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast



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In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes:


zoom 2100

this is a great little box.....you will want to get the expression pedal for it.....if i saw them around here i would buy several.....i love mine.....mk
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:07:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJ4m814331; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:04:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:04:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:03:22 EST Subject: READING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk --part1_1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable time for the annual "what's everyone reading"=20= question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicte= d to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading ad= venture/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of= evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret= to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longe= st time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 part= er.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk  --part1_1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:13:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJAn115684; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:10:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200503111909.j2BJ9x126371@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: READING? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will always recommend TIM POWERS (especially Last Call) for those of you who like to look at common reality a little bit differently. Last Call is about gamblers in Los Vegas playing for human souls and who gets to become Fisher King of the West. Awesome. I also enjoy Christopher Moore for very quick and amusing reads. Twisted and absurd stories that really fly by and leave a nice grin behind them when they're gone. Try The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove or Blood Sucking Fiends for a taste. Of course I have young children so I often find myself reading and re-reading the smae pages over and over again as I try to find where I was last time I stopped (obligatory looping content). Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:15:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJD0Q16014; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:08:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: READING? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1101554147==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1101554147==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:03 PM -0500 3/11/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question I'm about to finish Barbara Tuchman's "Guns of August," having previously read her "March of Folly" and "The Proud Tower." >NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter I have all three volumes on my shelf, awaiting my completion of "August." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1101554147==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: READING?
At 2:03 PM -0500 3/11/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question

I'm about to finish Barbara Tuchman's "Guns of August," having previously read her "March of Folly" and "The Proud Tower."

NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter

I have all three volumes on my shelf, awaiting my completion of "August."
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(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1101554147==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:24:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJM6V18138; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:22:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:22:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c5266f$7aab28f0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C52634.CE4C50F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 109, in=235, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C52634.CE4C50F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Books/Authors that have really inspire my looping, CD titles, song titles, and underlying themes of my music: HP Lovecraft (anything and everything from him...love this twisted, dark stuff) Aurther C. Clark (the whole 2001, 2010, etc series, the whole Rama series, short stories...brilliant) David Zindell's "Neverness" - mind blowing Vernor Vinge's "Fire Upon the Deep" - very clever and innovative I'm now reading old Analogs. I like the classics, which explains my classic science fiction DVD collection of over 80 titles from the 50's and 60's. Kris ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: READING? time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C52634.CE4C50F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Books/Authors that have really inspire my = looping, CD=20 titles, song titles, and underlying themes of my = music:
 
HP=20 Lovecraft (anything and everything from him...love this twisted, dark=20 stuff)
Aurther C. Clark (the whole 2001, 2010, etc = series, the=20 whole Rama series, short stories...brilliant)
David Zindell's "Neverness" - mind=20 blowing
Vernor Vinge's "Fire Upon the Deep" - = very clever=20 and innovative
 
I'm=20 now reading old Analogs. I like the classics, which explains my classic = science=20 fiction DVD collection of over 80 titles from the 50's and=20 60's.
 
Kris
 

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Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com=
info@krispenhartung.com
View=20 improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hart= ung/catalogue.htm#videos
Interactive=20 tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians= .com/gear.htm

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, = March=20 11, 2005 12:03 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 READING?

time for the annual "what's = everyone=20 reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have = become=20 addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic = easy=20 reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys = vs. the=20 forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" = fiction.....i=20 regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed = for the=20 longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 = of a 3=20 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk  =
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C52634.CE4C50F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:31:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJSmY19605; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:28:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:28:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C52678.E16104D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C52678.E16104D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading.... I started something way above my head: Gilles Deleuze "Difference and Repetition". But this is just a shameless misuse of the mailing list to see whether Michael actually receives my emails. Please respond, Michael! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Freitag, 11. Marz 2005 20:03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: READING? time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C52678.E16104D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reading.... I started something way above my head: Gilles = Deleuze=20 "Difference and Repetition".
But=20 this is just a shameless misuse of the mailing list to see whether = Michael=20 actually receives my emails. Please respond, = Michael!
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Freitag, 11. März 2005 = 20:03
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time for the annual "what's = everyone=20 reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have = become=20 addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic = easy=20 reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys = vs. the=20 forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" = fiction.....i=20 regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed = for the=20 longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 = of a 3=20 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk  =
------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C52678.E16104D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:36:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJWhp20460; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:32:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-2467-1110569467-0001-2" Message-Id: <4231F200.00002F.04048@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:31:12 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: READING? X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <8q1LNC.A.r5E.BIfMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-2467-1110569467-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-2467-1110569467-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-2467-1110569467-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've just opened Roger Penrose's The Emperor's New Mind. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D Helix Server Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 03/11/05 11:03:51=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: READING?=0D =0D time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read wi= th your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BUR= KE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigg= er than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk =0D =20 --=_scarface.real.com-2467-1110569467-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:34:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <4MRD2B.A.FJF.jLfMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Besides all the damn magazines, manuals and websites that make up 95% of my reading, I'm enjoying the hell out of "Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell," a very clever, confounding, slow-moving, well-written and non-adolescent blurring of some favorite genres that I'd long-ago either exhausted or abandoned: Jane Austin novels, realms-of-Faery fantasies, alternate histories, dark folk tales...etc. (listening to the audio version, btw...my favorite way to read, but my page-rate has been seriously reduced by no longer having a commute. Just can't get back into long, full-body reading sessions...weird; they used to be my main pleasure) dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:40:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJbOo21775; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:37:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:37:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1110569821!10500471!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329EE9@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: READING? 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52671.6C3FD610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question << "american scream- the bill hicks story" by cynthia true, "ringworld's children" by larry niven & (repeatedly) both the official manual & the paul nagle user guide for the p3 analogue sequencer, the nearest thing to a proper midi looper. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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 >> time for the annual "what's everyone = reading" question <<

"american scream- the bill hicks story"  b= y cynthia true, "ringworld's children" by larry niven & (repe= atedly) both the official manual & the paul nagle user guide for the p3= analogue sequencer, the nearest thing to a proper midi looper.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52671.6C3FD610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 14:58:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJt8X24961; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:55:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:55:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1110570841.4231f75915fc2@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:54:01 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Bernhard Wagner Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: READING? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.89.160.22 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <_UDo2C.A.iDG.hdfMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which Michael??? wwww.michaelplishka.com ] Quoting Bernhard Wagner : > Reading.... I started something way above my head: Gilles Deleuze > "Difference and Repetition". > But this is just a shameless misuse of the mailing list to see whether > Michael actually receives my emails. Please respond, Michael! > Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Freitag, 11. Marz 2005 20:03 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: READING? > > > time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read > with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE > BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, > bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also > been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have > not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you > count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i > only read in the shower!.....:)mk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:03:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BJxfC27361; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Qt9GiD+V32k7VUcE7xer+seUB3te2YxAVNPwzGopwgCgN4smVkasVzN02UMhrLYsmKGr2LvM3cRP3a8zzmamyfkRuZSMo9co4psb8po22J8z2vWTspMi7dawm6jpY90HFFAi4OC0MrLRn2NBWwYWnKSQ6MjvCmdDtNmgUvyCyBg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:58:17 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: READING? In-Reply-To: <002f01c5266f$7aab28f0$6801a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> <002f01c5266f$7aab28f0$6801a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Currently: The Expetant Father (Armin Brott) Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Douglas Adams) (thought I'd refresh my memory prior to the movie coming soon) Wolves in the Walls (Neil Gaiman) My wife and I are also reading the Chronicles of Narnia to the alien set to hatch in July. We're currently in Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Recently: Stardust (Neil Gaiman) Coraline (Neil Gaiman) Good Omens (Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett Harmonic Materials of Modern Music (Howard Hanson) Harmonielehre (Arnold Schoenberg) Structural Functions of Harmony (A. Schoenberg) Yep, I'm on a Neil Gaiman kick. Never read his Sandman graphic novels, but a friend gave me "Neverwhere" as a gift a number of years ago and I was completely enthralled by his use of language and his ability to tell a damn fine story. His "American Gods" is even better. Cheers, Jon Southwood P.S. I once named a looping piece after a Harlan Ellison story. "TikTok" was inspired by "Repent, Harlequin! said the Ticktockman". On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:21:08 -0700, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Books/Authors that have really inspire my looping, CD titles, song titles, > and underlying themes of my music: > > HP Lovecraft (anything and everything from him...love this twisted, dark > stuff) > Aurther C. Clark (the whole 2001, 2010, etc series, the whole Rama series, > short stories...brilliant) > David Zindell's "Neverness" - mind blowing > Vernor Vinge's "Fire Upon the Deep" - very clever and innovative > > I'm now reading old Analogs. I like the classics, which explains my classic > science fiction DVD collection of over 80 titles from the 50's and 60's. > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > View improvisational / real-time looping videos: > http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.htm#videos > Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: READING? > > time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with > your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE > and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger > than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been > reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not > read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you > count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i > only read in the shower!.....:)mk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:04:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BK06T27428; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:00:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:00:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:57:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: READING? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1101551418==_ma============" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1101551418==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've recently "run" four novels by Jasper Fforde, sort of an alternate literary history: "The Eyre Affair", "The Well of Lost Plots", "Lost in a good Book", and "Something Rotten". Very amusing. They inspired me to write a song named after the way the sound that the genetically re-engineered Dodos makes in the series of books is written: Plock-plock -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut --============_-1101551418==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: READING?

I've recently "run" four novels by Jasper Fforde, sort of an alternate literary history: "The Eyre Affair", "The Well of Lost Plots", "Lost in a good Book", and "Something Rotten". Very amusing.

They inspired me to write a song named after the way the sound that the genetically re-engineered Dodos makes in the series of books is written:

-C

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--============_-1101551418==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:06:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BK3wx28412; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:03:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:03:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:03:31 +0000 Message-Id: <031120052003.17058.4231F993000CB385000042A221979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 8 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been reading the sci-fi novel "Chasm City" by Alastair Reynolds. I've already read this book several times, but am going through it again because I like it so much. Wildly imaginative sci-fi that doesn't violate the laws of physics; Reynolds is an astrophysicist. Probably my favorite sci-fi novel. There is an amazing sub-plot about a flotilla of ships making a centuries-long trip across interstellar space. A guy on one of the ships becomes a Hitler-like despotic leader. I am also working through the biograpy of Leon Theremin, "Ether Music and Espionage". If you ever get to thinking you have a rough life, just read a book about anyone who lived in Stalinist Russia! It'll make your life seem like a picnic. Sheesh. Also reading about the programming language TCL so I can write Expect scripts at work. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:03:54 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable time for the annual "what's everyone reading"=20= question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicte= d to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading ad= venture/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of= evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret= to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longe= st time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 part= er.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk  --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17058_1110571411_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BK8lv29435; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c52676$10dcf640$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:01:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-dBOFB.A.5KH.0qfMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: READING?>At 2:03 PM -0500 3/11/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question I have a pile I'm switching between right now including: Mastering Audio - Bob Katz Recording Engineer's Handbook Mixing Engineer's Handbook Return of the King The Nightmare Factory - Thomas Ligotti Masters of Doom: How Two Guys Created an Empire and Transformed Pop Culture Dreams of Terror and Death: The Dream Cyle of H.P. Lovecraft. and several Sandman graphic novels. I see a theme here... Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:13:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BKAtK29780; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:10:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: MIDI looper Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:08:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329EE9@lon-oxmail02> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUmcexyGTz+T6M7Q0qEsemv5i1SpwAA306A Message-Id: <20050311200903.PQTW13819.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com both the official manual & the paul nagle user guide for the p3 analogue sequencer, the nearest thing to a proper midi looper. duncan/r.m.i. --->there's a MIDI looper in the Starr Labs Ztar, but it's not finished ;) Works well enough, but when you oerdub, it adds the original data, thereby doubling it. One time pass works great tho, and there is a command to go from record to record next, solving that bug. Now if I can just get Harvey (or his code guy) to get the clock out to reflect the loop size, I could make some good use of it. This functionality is a result of Harvey using the code written for the Kurzweil Event Station and porting it over to the Ztar. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:16:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BKDAI30528; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:13:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:13:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <144.416049e1.2f6355a7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:12:23 EST Subject: Re: READING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_144.416049e1.2f6355a7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_144.416049e1.2f6355a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/05 2:54:40 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: > Which Michael??? > michael.....i think it was me.....bernhard is just upset because he isn't old and manure.....:)mk --part1_144.416049e1.2f6355a7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/11/05 2:54:40 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:


Which Michael???


michael.....i think it was me.....bernhard is just upset because he isn't ol= d and manure.....:)mk
--part1_144.416049e1.2f6355a7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:20:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BKHFI31239; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:16:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1110570841.4231f75915fc2@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael Plishka I actually meant Michael "Nemoguitt" who posted the fact that he reads only under the shower... Michael "Nemoguitt": Does that mean you don't get my emails sent to you privately? The boox I was mentioning were all by Paul Auster: "New York Trilogy", "Timbuktu", "The Music of Chance", "Hand to Mouth", "Leviathan". Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] > Sent: Freitag, 11. März 2005 20:54 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Bernhard Wagner > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: READING? > > > Which Michael??? > > > > wwww.michaelplishka.com > ] > > Quoting Bernhard Wagner : > > > Reading.... I started something way above my head: Gilles Deleuze > > "Difference and Repetition". > > But this is just a shameless misuse of the mailing list to see whether > > Michael actually receives my emails. Please respond, Michael! > > Bernhard > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > > Sent: Freitag, 11. Marz 2005 20:03 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: READING? > > > > > > time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read > > with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books > by JAMES LEE > > BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading > adventure/mystery books, > > bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of > evil.....i have also > > been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say > that i have > > not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest > time, unless you > > count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i > > only read in the shower!.....:)mk > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:28:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BKPgK32329; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:25:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:25:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:23:12 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: READING? In-reply-to: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4231FE30.106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On my nightstand: Polymer Extrusion, 4th Edition - Chris Rauwendaal Hot Water Music - Charles Bukowski Boy Wonder: My Life in Tights - Burt Ward The AK-47 Attack Rifle for Dummies - Anonymous Echoplex Digital Pro Plus User's Manual - Kim Flint and Warren Sirota Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:32:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BKTZQ00694; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:29:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:29:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c52678$ec894fc0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050310234407.0978aa60@gemini.lunarpages.com> Subject: Re: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:25:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <5dt1DB.A.pI.A-fMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 09:32 PM 3/10/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: >>I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in >>the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not >>all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing? ColdCutter http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml Looks interesting... Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:33:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BKU9H00738; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4231FEDF.6060405@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:26:07 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: READING? References: <031120052003.17058.4231F993000CB385000042A221979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <031120052003.17058.4231F993000CB385000042A221979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1QTJG.A.RK.c-fMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finished that same Theremin book a few months ago...inspiring story of a creative genius trapped in a political nightmare. Just finished a biography of e.e.cummings yesterday, and started to reread the excellent HP Lovecraft bio by HPL scholar ST Joshi today. Dennis mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >I am also working through the biograpy of Leon Theremin, "Ether Music and >Espionage". If you ever get to thinking you have a rough life, just read >a book about anyone who lived in Stalinist Russia! It'll make your life seem >like a picnic. Sheesh. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 15:56:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BKrrW04252; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:53:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:53:27 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c5267c$604015e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2BKqAx04016 Resent-Message-ID: <2ikBnC.A.B_.7TgMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Never came upon this annual highlight in the past, but here goes: Currently, Ableton Live!, Waldorf Q and Roland MC505 user manual, with a few short glimpses thrown in to the Behringer DDX3216 and Eventide Eclipse manuals... More serious reading: Just finished "The 27th City" by Jonathan Franzen, which I liked better than his Corrections (but not as much as Roth's "The Human Stain" and DeLillo's "Underworld"). Next up are "The New York Trilogy" by Paul Auster, then "Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften" by Robert Musil. And when I'm through with THAT, I'll have another pass at Ulysses... Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 11. März 2005 20:03 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: READING? time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 16:47:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BLgie11776; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:42:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:42:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <26ccefc8a0ef8c307b24e43b34c76599@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Lee Barnes Subject: Laptop Rigs Revisited Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:39:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear all, Hey, has anyone tried out Native Instruments' Guitar Rig 1.2? How does it compare to Digitech's GNX4? Has anyone tried to run either of these effects units on both a Mac and on a Windows XP box? From the demo, it looks like the looper within it isn't the greatest, as you have to record the lick you want looped, then mouse around to get the loop to playback and repeat, taking your hands off of the guitar/bass/etc... Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 16:51:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BLlkh12549; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:47:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:46:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200503112146.j2BLkRx12331@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Ripped off by a "fellow" looper! :-( Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I've been very very cool and patient about this matter and I'm sorry if this is Off topic but I dont know what else to do: several months ago, in November I sent a message to LD (I've been a somehow quiet meber of this list for almost 7 years) asking for a trade,My Repeater for an EDP. Well, BRIAN HAMLIN from the 6 Brackendale Av Pitsea Basildon Essex In the U.k said that wanted to make the trade. He is supposedly a member of this list as well, so, as I am one of those internet old timers who think the net is based on a good will principle I sent him my repeater (wich he got) and he said he did the same with his EDP. obviously, the EDP never got here and since he claimed that he'd send it with PARCELFORCE the it's not possible to track anything with this british service. For a while he told me that he had made a claim to know where his EDP was and everything, he asked me to be patient and blah blah blah. Then nothing.he just banished. I'd like to know if I can make some kind of claim with the british police or something (I am in France) I have all his mails and stuff, I have my tracking number from La poste and I can demonstrate that I sent him my repeater. I know this is a long shot, but if anyone can give a few suggestions, tips or pointers on what to do besides cooking my rage and frustration on getting ripped off like an amateur will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance. Andy Soto in Paris. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 17:10:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BM81P16662; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:08:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:08:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050311153344.09b55f70@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:05:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: READING? In-Reply-To: References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> <002f01c5266f$7aab28f0$6801a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6gMaAC.A.cCE.FahMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:58 PM 3/11/2005, Jon Southwood wrote: >Yep, I'm on a Neil Gaiman kick. Never read his Sandman graphic novels, >but a friend gave me "Neverwhere" as a gift a number of years ago and >I was completely enthralled by his use of language and his ability to >tell a damn fine story. His "American Gods" is even better. Nice one. I'm a Gaiman fan as well from way back (used to buy Sandman and Books of Magic religiously). I can hardly wait for him to finish "Anansi Boys". While not really being a sequel to "American Gods", it's supposed to feature a lot of the same characters. Myself, other than trade mags and tech manuals, I've been reading Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt". I've loved Robinson's soft-science writing since his story "The Lucky Strike" won the Nebula back in the eighties. I'm not so crazy about his Mars trilogy ("Red/Green/Blue Mars"), but my tastes in science-fiction generally run more toward the speculative Ellison/Zelazny/PKD stuff, than the Niven/Pournelle/Bear school of hard SF. Anyway, "Years of Rice and Salt" rewrites history as it might have occurred had the total population of all Europe been wiped out by the Plague around 1000 CE. Thus, the course of history would have been shaped by the cultures of Asia, the nations of Islam, and the Native Americans, rather than the influences of Western Europe. I also just picked up William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition", which is new in paperback. Haven't gotten a chance to start on it yet, however. Anybody have any thoughts on that one yet? --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 17:19:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BMH4T18000; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:17:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:17:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050311153344.09b55f70@gemini.lunarpages.com> References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> <002f01c5266f$7aab28f0$6801a8c0@khartung> <6.2.1.2.2.20050311153344.09b55f70@gemini.lunarpages.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:15:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: READING? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:05 PM -0600 3/11/05, Mech wrote: >I also just picked up William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition", which is new in paperback. Haven't gotten a chance to start on it yet, however. Anybody have any thoughts on that one yet? I think it's one of his best. It reminded me of Thomas Pynchon's "The Crying of Lot 49". I think some people were put off because it's not science fiction. -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 17:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BMm5723896; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:48:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=KA+4TiUh1qiaQ1U3Hf7TucAaE2fYoaoRjOz5pVkLdBjx5vAPANogKMC1p+x2ZaQJ3rllATLDhVgK/qnwI/Qt93iTqiwkDqc2RulIOTPn71HhNUJhEYaii4zRlOsxSi7ae/ihxnkbnUWQ8KoqT9UH4WahlzwJ3vLkYiwPfaP4jFo= ; Message-ID: <20050311224639.85521.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:46:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: READING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 4:05 PM -0600 3/11/05, Mech wrote: > >I also just picked up William Gibson's "Pattern > Recognition", which is new in paperback. Haven't > gotten a chance to start on it yet, however. > Anybody have any thoughts on that one yet? Ha, you just reminded me that I picked up the hardcover (reduced for clearance for LESS than the pb) a couple of weeks ago, then set it down somewhere near the black hole that is my desk... When I find it, I'll read it! -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 18:59:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BNv3J02894; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:57:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:57:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=j78J4v2DmTd7Qr/Tv8IHMmiPwZwA1YjUPm8de3OVjs+DZK62e9MSve1h2JMvKa03lN/g4RyiVGr4tCG94wru25Wtjx9vz1DTdN5isxfXubDMPW2cJGQuIEeVjNg21hdCuRGlNLmsXTcjEinXnztNF8qPQq2p45hLr6rYqj/1KW0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:55:21 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ripped off by a "fellow" looper! :-( In-Reply-To: <200503112146.j2BLkRx12331@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200503112146.j2BLkRx12331@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's really sad news. I'd try the French police first, they should be able to advise you where the jurisdictions end and overlap in cases such as this. I fear you may find out that it's low priority to them since in their world the value of the items in question is pretty small. In your world of course, it's not. Also consider: can you prove that you shipped a Repeater to the guy in question, or that you shipped an item of Repeater-esque weight on such and such a date? I know people who've been stung that way--the shipping agent doesn't guarantee the contents, just the dates, cost and weight, since they don't look in the package and go by the sender's description of contents. Best of luck, Travis Hartnett On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:46:27 -0500, Andy Soto wrote: > I'd like to know if I can make some kind of claim with the british police > or something (I am in France) I have all his mails and stuff, I have my > tracking number from La poste and I can demonstrate that I sent him my repeater. > > I know this is a long shot, but if anyone can give a few suggestions, tips > or pointers on what to do besides cooking my rage and frustration on getting > ripped off like an amateur will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you very much in advance. > > Andy Soto in Paris. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 19:02:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2BNxAO04756; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:59:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:59:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1aa.33974fa0.2f638a91@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:58:09 EST Subject: Re: READING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1aa.33974fa0.2f638a91_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1aa.33974fa0.2f638a91_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I read altogether too much. I would "live" more (and be less sleep deprived) if I read just a little less. In fact, I just finished off=20 another great novel last night: "Embers" by the late Hungarian author, Sandor Marai. Stepping backwards through the last 6 months or so: "Embers" by Sandor Marai "Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi=20 "Interpreter of Maladies" by Jhumpa Lahiri "The Naked and The Dead" by Norman Mailer "To Err Is Devine" by Agota Bozai "The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini=20 "Life of Pi" by Yann Martel "The Power and The Glory" by Graham Greene "For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard "Hackers and Painters" by Paul Graham "Fear: A Spiritual Navigation" by Jo Kadlecek "The Cyberiad" by Stanislaw Lem "Walk in The Light While There Is Light" Leo Tolstoy "A Murder, A Mystery and a Marriage" by Mark Twain "The Godson" By Leo Tolstoy "Mortal Engines" by Stanislaw Lem "Eden" by Stanislaw Lem Interspersed with all of these are 6 or 8 "Doctor Who" series sci-fi novels (a weakness) -- which are just light entertainment and mostly=20 completely forgetable and "Peshawar Lancers" by S.M. Stirling another sci-fi (alternate history) novel of somewhat lesser literary calibre.=20 I subscribe to a local daily newspaper, read the NY Times online=20 daily, get a dozen magazines monthly and read altogeher too=20 much e-mail. And then there are the hated tech manuals for all of my toys and the computer software. Ugh! Of all of the above I would most highly recommend: "The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini (really, really terrific, horrific,=20 outstanding) "Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi (most humane story, POV/life-changing= ) "For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard (which I have read about 2 or 3 times=20 before) "Life of Pi" by Yann Martel (most creative, unexpected, novel I've read in a= =20 long time) No wonder my eyes are so bad.=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1aa.33974fa0.2f638a91_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

I read altogether too much. I would "live" more (and be less
sleep deprived) if I read just a little less. In fact, I just finished off <= BR> another great novel last night: "Embers" by the late Hungarian
author, Sandor Marai.

Stepping backwards through the last 6 months or so:

"Embers" by Sandor Marai
"Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi
"Interpreter of Maladies" by Jhumpa Lahiri
"The Naked and The Dead" by Norman Mailer
"To Err Is Devine" by Agota Bozai
"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini
"Life of Pi" by Yann Martel
"The Power and The Glory" by Graham Greene
"For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard
"Hackers and Painters" by Paul Graham
"Fear: A Spiritual Navigation" by Jo Kadlecek
"The Cyberiad" by Stanislaw Lem
"Walk in The Light While There Is Light" Leo Tolstoy
"A Murder, A Mystery and a Marriage" by Mark Twain
"The Godson" By Leo Tolstoy
"Mortal Engines" by Stanislaw Lem
"Eden" by Stanislaw Lem

Interspersed with all of these are 6 or 8 "Doctor Who" series sci-fi
novels (a weakness) -- which are just light entertainment and mostly
completely forgetable and "Peshawar Lancers" by S.M. Stirling another
sci-fi (alternate history) novel of somewhat lesser literary calibre.

I subscribe to a local daily newspaper, read the NY Times online
daily, get a dozen magazines monthly and read altogeher too
much e-mail. And then there are the hated tech manuals for
all of my toys and the computer software. Ugh!

Of all of the above I would most highly recommend:

"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini (really, really terrific, horrific, out= standing)
"Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi (most humane story, POV/life-changing= )
"For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard (which I have read about 2 or 3 times=20= before)
"Life of Pi" by Yann Martel (most creative, unexpected, novel I've read in a= long time)

No wonder my eyes are so bad.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_1aa.33974fa0.2f638a91_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 19:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C00Lk05099; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.33de525f.2f638abf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:58:55 EST Subject: Re: READING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_297L.A.EKB.NDjMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/11/05 11:05:00 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time >> Funny to see all the sci fi mentions from loopers, I have been a huge fan since the 60's when I had subscriptions to several of the old mags like Galaxy etc. A near classic one well worth checking out is Hyperion by Dan Simmons. A more recent one I stumbled upon in the library and thoroughly enjoyed was Wheelers by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen, a nicely paced romp imagining inhabitants of Jupiter and with Buddhists in control of mining the asteroid belt! Books by my bed: Timescale by Nigel Calder Audio Culture edited by Cox and Warner Musical Instrument Design by Bart Hopkin BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 19:04:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C01l005508; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:01:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:01:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:08:18 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: READING? To: Message-id: <001001c52697$99c57920$f180a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5266D.AF2A4180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5266D.AF2A4180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: READING?Mojo ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5266D.AF2A4180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: READING?
Mojo
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5266D.AF2A4180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 19:58:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C0tLb11273; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:55:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:55:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.58] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: READING? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:53:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 00:53:57.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8D35E90:01C5269D] Resent-Message-ID: <6yoP1.A.1tC.r2jMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well.... I just started reading the EDP manual, but I put it away. I thought it might be best saved to read on stage at gig..... Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 20:25:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C1Mqj15815; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: READING? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:21:55 +0000 Message-Id: <031220050121.22660.423244330004DE700000588422058891160196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22660_1110590515_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22660_1110590515_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I read this list............I read the comics in the newspaper.......the applicable road signs as need be.... my horoscope................and no owners manuals that I can recall ....ever...leaves them in mint condition along with my attitude bryan helm ( back after that "nasty karmic twist") --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22660_1110590515_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I read this list............I read the comics in the newspaper.......the applicable road signs as need be.... my horoscope................and no owners manuals that I can recall ....ever...leaves them in mint condition along with my attitude
 
                                                                  bryan helm
                                                                  ( back after that "nasty karmic twist")
                                                                                                                       
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22660_1110590515_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 20:33:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C1VAC16941; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:31:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:31:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.73] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <031220050121.22660.423244330004DE700000588422058891160196010D9F010104@comcast.net> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: READING? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:29:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 01:29:49.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB40E9E0:01C526A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok..I had my fun...it is really interesting to see how literate many of the list members are (and i always did suspect that y'all was a bunch of smart muthafuckas...).... ...but, to be honest, the only thing I have been "reading" is music. I have been going thru complete orchestral scores to "Swan Lake" and "The Rite Of Spring" as well as a copy of the original folio to Messien's "Quartet For The End Of Time" (now that sounds like a pretty well rounded musical diet, really). I know that might seem a bit odd, but I have some gigs coming up that require some serious sight reading chops, and I have found the best way to tune up that particular skill is to simply do a lot of it. Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 22:15:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C3ACM32382; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qBPjSuT5lU4ux+BuDySRBC9fafx133oRyc03n6eqQCPf8IVDdVG3ILvb/H/DHM98; Message-ID: <410-22005361231834190@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:18:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94073cc86a840c68fa4d6cddb9e244e7f3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII James Lee Burke? I've only read his "In the Electric Mist with the Confederate Dead." As intriguing as its title. I loved it, even though all the gory descriptions of bad people doing bad things started to wear on me. As for *my* reading list, for now it's basically the manuals for my Vortex and VF-1, plus the Boston Globe, Guitar Player Magazine, and several hours of e-mails! ;-) Sonic Wa, Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 3/11/2005 2:05:31 PM Subject: READING? time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
James Lee Burke? I've only read his "In the Electric Mist with the Confederate Dead." As intriguing as its title. I loved it, even though all the gory descriptions of bad people doing bad things started to wear on me. As for *my* reading list, for now it's basically the manuals for my Vortex and VF-1, plus the Boston Globe, Guitar Player Magazine, and several hours of e-mails! ;-) 
Sonic Wa,
Tim Mungenast
 
 
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time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 22:31:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C3SoJ02457; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:28:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:28:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.2222e8a4.2f63bbd3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:28:19 EST Subject: reading To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9a.2222e8a4.2f63bbd3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9a.2222e8a4.2f63bbd3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Years of Rice and Salt".....very enjoyable.....i'm also with ya on the Ellison/Zelazny.....read William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition" a few weeks ago, lite/fast/fun.....mk --part1_9a.2222e8a4.2f63bbd3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Years of Rice and Salt".....very enjoyable...= ..i'm also with ya on the Ellison/Zelazny.....read William Gibson's "Pattern Recog= nition" a few weeks ago, lite/fast/fun.....mk --part1_9a.2222e8a4.2f63bbd3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 22:37:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C3YhK03581; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,158,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="674030202:sNHT14611992" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <1e3.3732ef68.2f63457a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <92C52A6D-92A7-11D9-BB62-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: READING? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:34:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, yeah! ...forgot about my beach reading: we go most days to the coast (Southern Oregon) for a sunset/sand walk, during which I'll often bring a book to read while the wife wanders with the pooch; these days it's Exuberance by KRJamison. A few quotes/images: ' "Caterpillars, cockroaches, grasshoppers, lobsters or crabs or snails are not to be distinguished from their seniors by any excessive gaiety." ' ' "Once I saw a rush of which the object was a butterfly. Eyes wide, a gang of young male elephants collectively weighing maybe 40 tons thundered to a stop as the small fairy, white and weightless, rose up out of their midst. Then each turned on his heels and fled." ' dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 22:43:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C3epV04398; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:40:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:40:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <36.6e5e8051.2f63bea0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:40:16 EST Subject: Re: READING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.6e5e8051.2f63bea0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_36.6e5e8051.2f63bea0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/05 6:59:31 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes: > Hyperion by Dan Simmons. > *****.....an incosistantly written series yet great fun.....loved it.....and let me throw out "THE DIAMOND AGE" and "CRYPTONOMICON" by neil stephenson --part1_36.6e5e8051.2f63bea0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/11/05 6:59:31 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes:


Hyperion by Dan Simmons.


*****.....an incosistantly written series yet great fun.....loved it.....and= let me throw out "THE DIAMOND AGE" and "CRYPTONOMICON" by neil stephenson
--part1_36.6e5e8051.2f63bea0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 11 22:43:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C3euA04404; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:40:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:40:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:48:07 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: READING? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, max valentino wrote: > > > Well.... I just started reading the EDP manual, but I put it away. I > thought it might be best saved to read on stage at gig..... Aloud. Spoken word, looped and layered and fragemented. "I am sitting in a room, reading a manual for the looping device I will use to loop my words. I begin... ..." regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 00:19:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C5HA418033; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c5265e$47a67600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT - Internet Track Names from CDs (?) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:18:01 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and all the track titles appear in your player when played on a computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release - how does one get the song titles to appear for people when played on their (internet connected) computer? Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know *everything* in a collective sort of way. Thanks, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 04:48:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C9juv18423; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.216.174] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <36.6e5e8051.2f63bea0@aol.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: READING? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:44:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 09:44:44.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F2D5560:01C526E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Besides L.D. posts: The Biology of Transcendance by Joseph Chilton Pierce. The History of Western Philosophy bt Bertrand Russell. The Magic of Tone and the Art of Music,by Dane Rudhyar rereading Imaginary Landscape by William Irwin Thompson I think I've finally read all the Illuminati books by Robert Anton Wilson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 04:50:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C9lw618958; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.216.174] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <92C52A6D-92A7-11D9-BB62-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: READING? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:47:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 09:47:07.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[746BD7E0:01C526E8] Resent-Message-ID: <-Ce2k.A.fjE.hqrMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow -the Butterfly Effect "Once I saw a rush of which the object was a butterfly. Eyes wide, a gang of young male elephants collectively weighing maybe 40 tons thundered to a stop as the small fairy, white and weightless, rose up out of their midst. Then each turned on his heels and fled." ' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 05:00:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2C9vO120938; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:57:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:55:50 +0100 From: numbernine X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Reply-To: numbernine X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1791203710.20050312105550@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Internet Track Names from CDs (?) In-Reply-To: <004001c5265e$47a67600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> References: <004001c5265e$47a67600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Friday, March 11, 2005, 6:18:01 PM, you wrote: SM> Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and SM> all the track titles appear in your player when played on a SM> computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release - SM> how does one get the song titles to appear for people SM> when played on their (internet connected) computer? SM> Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google SM> enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know SM> *everything* in a collective sort of way. SM> Thanks, SM> Scott M2 dear Scott, if you use a feature called "CD text" some newer CD players and some software CD players (MAC, PC a.o.) can read the titles from the CD. You need a burning program capable of CD text and such a burner. Software example = Wavelab from Steinberg but there may be more. The player read the titles from the CD so there is no need of an internet connection. For to read out the titles from an internet database I think you need a official CD with an EAN and UPC code, and then edit the CD to the internet CD database (like http://www.freedb.org). regards, Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 06:12:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CB90331214; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:09:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:09:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c526f3$95ed9150$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <200503112146.j2BLkRx12331@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: ...reading... Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:06:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My third reading of William Gibson's "Neuromancer" has just begun. I'm going to see if I feel inspired to do some illustrations, comic panels or 'storyboards' of a kind this time. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations" * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 06:13:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CBAJ431331; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4232CD94.7080003@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:08:04 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Internet Track Names from CDs (?) References: <004001c5265e$47a67600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> In-Reply-To: <004001c5265e$47a67600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott. My cd-ripper, cdex 1.51(amazing piece of free software) uses a public database called freedb.org. IIRC the program, when faced with an unknown record, allows the user to input their own data to the database. http://freedb.org/ http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ Let us know what you find out. Best wishes. Andreas Scott M2 wrote: >Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and >all the track titles appear in your player when played on a >computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release - >how does one get the song titles to appear for people >when played on their (internet connected) computer? > >Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google >enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know >*everything* in a collective sort of way. > >Thanks, >Scott M2 > >http://www.dreamSTATE.to >ambientelectronicsoundscapes >http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 06:59:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CBumY03810; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: MPC 2000 OS Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:56:01 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.akaipro.com you'll find out geoff On 9 Mar 2005, at 15:47, thomas Giles wrote: > Whats the most recent MPC 2000 OS and where can I download it? > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how > to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > Jeff Williams Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 08:23:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CDKqi17452; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4232CD94.7080003@post.cybercity.dk> References: <004001c5265e$47a67600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <4232CD94.7080003@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <51c6887c1e2b66f8901fff614ad24bf5@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: OT - Internet Track Names from CDs (?) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:18:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and > all the track titles appear in your player when played on a > computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release - > how does one get the song titles to appear for people > when played on their (internet connected) computer? > > Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google > enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know > *everything* in a collective sort of way. > > Thanks, > Scott M2 Late last night when I replied I didn't realize it was not sent to the list but directly to Scott here's what I told him. Gracenote CDDB at http://www.gracenote.com/corporate/FAQs.html/faqset=subs. You have to enter the track names/times into the database and then when put a CD into your computer it accesses the database and automatically fills in the info. Is this what you are looking for? Ed I forgot to mention last night if you have iTunes you can enter song titles and track info,etc from within iTunes and there is a menu option to submit the info to the Gracenote CD database. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 11:55:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CGqM318354; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Uyzb2dvPkvUFnXENr0E4hMNXk3RBqk/fTATCb6OEaWqg8c8oyCwZKh/YwaOJb/QbxNI77jmrMMP+vrrjEaPi/jQc4KD7hraUNcJY9cThrG1/Qdf6ji/G/ZHPA3yv4DEzymvAM71/T+3sLBtkBga08J2eqrKmaYGz1gGY8/1iGmE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0503120851a8ff420@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:51:23 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) In-Reply-To: <00d501c52678$ec894fc0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050310234407.0978aa60@gemini.lunarpages.com> <00d501c52678$ec894fc0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2q4pmB.A.cdE.V4xMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One More: Loopitch "Loopitch is a long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host!" "Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts." http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:25:57 -0500, Tony K wrote: > > At 09:32 PM 3/10/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > >>I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in > >>the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not > >>all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing? > > ColdCutter http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml > > Looks interesting... > > Tony > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 12:08:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CH5c722120; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:05:03 -0700 Message-ID: <00ad01c52725$a2517dd0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0503120851a8ff420@mail.gmail.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 109, in=213, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great. Thanks, Art. That makes 12 in the list now, which I've copied below. I've been messing around with Mobius lately....very cool, like a virtual EDP....works as a standalone, or as a VST which I can load into ProTools. Kris -----Original Message----- One More: Loopitch "Loopitch is a long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host!" "Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts." http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ ************************************************************************ *** 1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). No VST, but supposedly in the future for XP. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software. (VST). http://www.zonemobius.com/ 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html (I just bought this one and the PSP 84) 6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST) http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin) http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ 9. AngstroLooper: a rediculously long delay, it partly emulates an old style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while playing live (VST plugin) http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware Looper. http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - a VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows gratefully received. http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - a long-period high-feeback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 13:44:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CIf8u04733; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:41:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:41:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1791203710.20050312105550@gmx.net> References: <004001c5265e$47a67600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <1791203710.20050312105550@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:38:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: OT - Internet Track Names from CDs (?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <904nF.A.FGB.ydzMCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:55 AM +0100 3/12/05, numbernine wrote: > >For to read out the titles from an internet database I think you need >a official CD with an EAN and UPC code, and then edit the CD to the >internet CD database (like http://www.freedb.org). > >regards, >Matthias Internet CD databases actually use the track times to identify the CD. They make the assumption that no two CDs will have exactly the same track timing. Thus, even a home burned CD of your own material can be submitted. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 14:17:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CJF7b11160; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:15:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AUs9aXkaugG+X5bOjFZNa6dWxo350092Xr6DNfhgGTBsCvdxTtTDVxfTeU7kGFUpmli0z4QYl6mcJBq8GWtybuBO9NkC5pyONgFD43PoDl0P4Mgkj1NNDdcqH427yCtUzxYcNo2LU65irRibP6PYa/G7h1ZV1YWA7lIBPeq+HjE= ; Message-ID: <20050312191355.30386.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:13:55 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: First of two of my Vortex units on eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200503111924.j2BJOqc18728@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Trying to compensate for something? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 14:22:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CJJwl12263; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:19:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:19:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ad01c52725$a2517dd0$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <00ad01c52725$a2517dd0$6801a8c0@khartung> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:51:53 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:05 AM -0700 3/12/05, Kris Hartung wrote: >That makes 12 in the list now, which I've copied >below. I've been messing around with Mobius lately....very cool, like a >virtual EDP....works as a standalone, or as a VST which I can load into >ProTools. How about making the Mac/Windows compatibility clearer? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 14:38:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CJZj215320; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: First of two of my Vortex units on eBay Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:35:19 -0700 Message-ID: <00d101c5273a$a06cd2c0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050312191355.30386.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 110, in=237, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not really. I still haven't dispensed with the rack all together, but I'm about 75% toward being able to emulate everything in my rack, including the EDPs and guitar synth tones, with my notebook and VST. I'm basically building an equivalent system on the side and transitioning little by little to the notebook, so by the time I do eliminate the rack gear, there won't be a need to compensate for any losses. The tough unit to emulate with VST so far is the VF-1. It's those rich, octave/delay/LFO pad like sounds. That will take some doing, combining VST effects in serial, etc. It's a fun challenge but not insurmountable. There are thousands of VST effects out there...some free, some in the hundreds of dollars. And processing power hasn't been a problem for me thus far...I have 2.4 GHz processor, 500MB of RAM, PC notebook. Though I plan to by a commercial notebook in the near future that will blow these specs away and run a lot quieter and more efficiently with a Centrino Intel processor. K- -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First of two of my Vortex units on eBay <> Trying to compensate for something? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 14:53:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CJomt17730; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:50:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:50:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:49:54 -0700 Message-ID: <00d801c5273c$a9ad8710$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 109, in=215, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeeesh....you're making me work now....see below. I forgot that PhDs often have their assistants that do their research for them. ;) You can get more details from the URLs. Kris > How about making the Mac/Windows compatibility clearer? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com 1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). No VST, but supposedly in the future for XP. Supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any other platforms that support JACK http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software. (VST). Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT http://www.zonemobius.com/ 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC) http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC) http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept Suppored on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html (I just bought this one and the PSP 84) 6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST) Supported on....??? http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin) http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ Suported on Windows and MAC OSX http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button. Supported on Windows http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ 9. AngstroLooper: a rediculously long delay, it partly emulates an old style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while playing live (VST plugin) Suppored on Windows http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - a VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows gratefully received. Supported on Windows http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - a long-period high-feeback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 15:04:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CK27K21042; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:02:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:02:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d801c5273c$a9ad8710$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <00d801c5273c$a9ad8710$6801a8c0@khartung> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:54:55 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:49 PM -0700 3/12/05, Kris Hartung wrote: >Jeeesh....you're making me work now....see below. I forgot that PhDs >often have their assistants that do their research for them. ;) You >can get more details from the URLs. They do if they have university gigs. I do all my own work. Would you to assist me with yours? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 17:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CLxgE06336; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:59:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,159,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="36059067:sNHT12509936" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <002701c5267c$604015e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <002701c5267c$604015e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Gear for sale Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:58:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a pre-sale offer to the list: TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee card: $350 Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225 Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200 Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185 Boss GT-5: $275 All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc.... Paypal preferred Thanks! dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 18:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2CNmkj22325; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:48:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:48:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <32E986AC-9351-11D9-B7D3-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: geoff smith Subject: The history of electroacoustic music Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:48:13 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I am thinking of continuing my study next year by doing a masters in electro acoustic music. If anyone could point me in the direction of some good books on the history of electro acoustic music or good web sites etc. Also if anyone knows of a site or something that has a list of the stand out electro acoustic pieces that have been.... I guess turning points.... or of great significance to the history of the music that would be great too. Also if anyone has any guidance as to where a brilliant institution would be to study this please go ahead and suggest something. I am based in england, but would consider going abroad. best wishes geoff Jeff Williams Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 20:26:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2D1NpS05003; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:23:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c5276b$7b39d9e0$e845dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <32E986AC-9351-11D9-B7D3-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> Subject: Re: The history of electroacoustic music Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:24:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff smith" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: The history of electroacoustic music > Hi > I am thinking of continuing my study next year by doing a masters in > electro acoustic music. > If anyone could point me in the direction of some good books on the > history of electro acoustic music or good web sites etc. Here are a few books that I got a lot out of: This Holmes book is the first book I read on electronic music and can probably be credited with my initial interest in the subject: http://tinyurl.com/4havt http://tinyurl.com/44twm http://tinyurl.com/4qq4v Here is a good site about Pierre Schaeffer: http://csunix1.lvc.edu/~snyder/em/schaef.html > Also if anyone knows of a site or something that has a list of the > stand out electro acoustic pieces that have been.... I guess turning > points.... or of great significance to the history of the music that > would be great too. Hmm, I dunno, Google it! > Also if anyone has any guidance as to where a brilliant institution > would be to study this please go ahead and suggest something. > I am based in england, but would consider going abroad. > best wishes > geoff > > Jeff Williams > Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk > check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05 I'm biased because I live here, but the Univerity of Illinois in the USA has very impressive facilities for electronic and computer music. At different times I worked as a tech in both labs and a lot of really interesting stuff was happening: http://ems.music.uiuc.edu/ Scott Wyatt has a great studio and is also a really nice guy. Might be worth checking out. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 12 21:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2D2YEK17165; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:34:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:34:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.200.174] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000701c5276b$7b39d9e0$e845dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The history of electroacoustic music Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:32:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 02:32:35.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[EACAB550:01C52774] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In California; Mills college, CalArts,San Jose State, UC Santa Cruz, all have good programs,facilities and noteworthy ,or even notorious alumni and faculty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 10:52:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DFnZU06534; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:49:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:49:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c527e4$021cdd40$7c85cb0c@insightbb.com> From: "will" To: Subject: looping on the Digitech RP20 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:47:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C527B1.B746EAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C527B1.B746EAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For anyone who is interested, I have figured out a way to do looping on = the Digitech RP20. Two schemes: one loop with the full 10 seconds, or = two loops which can build a four-part harmony loop.=20 RP-20 Looping Configuration This is a ten-second loop (max). To record a loop, first activate the = arm switch, then hit the record switch to begin recording and again to = stop recording and start playing the loop. =20 ARM =3D F9 RECORD =3D F0 --------------------------- Setup for looping on RP-20 T he idea is to assign parameters on the long-delay effect to one of two = foot switches in such a way as to let the audio into the delay when = record is pressed, then cut the input but allow output when it is = pressed again.=20 Assign parameters to ARM or RECORD switch with following levels = [low,high]: ARM switch: FxLvl =3D [ OFF, ON ] FdBck =3D [ 99, 0 ] Out =3D [ 75, 0 ] TapIt =3D assigned RECORD switch: Delay =3D [ OFF, ON ] Time =3D [ 0, 0 ] --------------------------- --------------------------- Two long delays (5s) in series which can built a four-part loop.=20 Using: Foot switches:=20 ARM-1 =3D F7 RECORD-1 =3D F8 ARM-2 =3D F9 RECORD-2 =3D F0 Record first into loop-1, then into loop-2 (loop-1 will be included). = Stop loop-1 and record a new loop to play along with loop-2. Finally, = play along with both loops (four-part). --------------------------- Also see #19, Sample And Repeat ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C527B1.B746EAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For anyone who is interested, I have = figured out a=20 way to do looping on the Digitech RP20.  Two schemes: one loop with = the=20 full 10 seconds, or two loops which can build a four-part harmony loop.=20
 
RP-20 Looping = Configuration
 
This is a ten-second loop (max).  = To record a=20 loop, first activate the arm switch, then hit the record switch to begin = recording and again to stop recording and start playing the loop. =20
ARM        =3D = F9
RECORD =3D=20 F0
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Setup for looping on = RP-20
T
he idea is to assign parameters on the = long-delay=20 effect to one of two foot switches in such a way as to let the audio = into the=20 delay when record is pressed, then cut the input but allow output when = it is=20 pressed again.

Assign parameters to ARM or RECORD switch with following levels = [low,high]:
ARM switch:
    FxLvl  =3D [ OFF, = ON=20 ]
    FdBck =3D [ 99, 0 ]
   =20 Out     =3D [ 75, 0 ]
    = TapIt  =20 =3D assigned
RECORD switch:
    Delay  =3D [ = OFF, ON=20 ]
    Time   =3D [ 0, 0=20 ]
---------------------------
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Two long delays (5s) in series which = can built a=20 four-part loop.
 
Using:
Foot switches:=20
ARM-1        =3D F7
RECORD-1 = =3D=20 F8
ARM-2        =3D F9
RECORD-2 = =3D=20 F0
 
Record first into loop-1, then into = loop-2 (loop-1=20 will be included). Stop loop-1 and record a new loop to play along with = loop-2.=20 Finally, play along with both loops=20 (four-part).
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Also see #19, Sample And=20 Repeat
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C527B1.B746EAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 14:13:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DJB0x09342; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <002701c5267c$604015e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Gear for sale Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:09:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-h8Dc.A.nPC.HAJNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 12, 2005, at 1:58 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225 > Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200 I don't need them since I've got them, but I can heartily endorse both of these units and I'll also note that they don't become available all that often. I once sold a Vortex to get a second AM8000R. (I've now also got what I think was once Dave Coffin's Vortex...) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 16:17:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DLF5u06257; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:15:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:15:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.200.123] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1874cb19521bf260c0a5e454c4471fca@harmonics.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Studying electro-acoustic music in UK Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:13:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 21:13:54.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FE87B20:01C52811] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this response from Charles Lucy: I suggest Goldsmiths in London - Avoid Kingston University like the plague. I wasted a couple of years doing their pathetic masters in composition for Film/TV at Kingston. Do you still need links to history, electro-acoustic and Goldsmiths etc.? Charles Lucy - lucy@harmonics.com ------------  Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning  ------- for information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 16:28:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DLQ1908035; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:26:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:26:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: The history of electroacoustic music Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C5281B.74BC4250" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <32E986AC-9351-11D9-B7D3-000D9327FECE@bluecocoa.co.uk> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:22:48 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.113.65 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C5281B.74BC4250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If anyone could point me in the direction of some good books on the > history of electro acoustic music or good web sites etc. a must for you is the recent "archives grm" 5-cd box. it was reviewed in the latest issue of wire. i just got my copy but haven't had time to listen yet. http://www.ina.fr/produits/disques/ina-GRM/disque277.fr.html read the list of artists and you know why I mean it is a must. michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C5281B.74BC4250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> If anyone could point me in the = direction of=20 some good books on the
> history of electro acoustic music or good = web=20 sites etc.


a must for you is the recent "archives grm" 5-cd = box. it=20 was reviewed in the latest issue of wire. i just got my copy but haven't = had=20 time to listen yet.

http://www.ina.fr/produits/disques/ina-GRM/disque277.fr.html

read the list of artists and you know why I mean = it is a=20 must.


michael
www.michaelpeters.de


------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C5281B.74BC4250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 16:45:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DLhTf10720; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:42:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <006901c52598$855a9510$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUlmOu5/IKFi90lSNCCSXc8WzG+tgCfHZ5w Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1DAar72dED-0002jQ@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any spec recommendations for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running a few softsynths at once? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 16:46:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DLhfN10757; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:43:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:43:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:41:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: The history of electroacoustic music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:32 PM -0800 3/12/05, samba - wrote: >In California; Mills college, CalArts,San Jose State, UC Santa Cruz, >all have good programs,facilities and noteworthy ,or even notorious >alumni and faculty I'll second this. I took Gordon Mumma's History, Literature and Technology of Electronic Music at UCSC and it was one of the best classes I ever took. A large portion was listening to tapes of Mr Mumma's private collection. Great stuff! Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 17:29:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DMQRq22487; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:26:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:26:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c5281b$94f32d40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:25:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C527D8.869B6FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C527D8.869B6FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've arrived to this discussion late. =20 Would someone be into collating the final list of this post when it ends = and reposting it as a resource. I have a tribe at tribe.net called AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous that = I'll post the results to=20 (with credit to the collator for their work). Please come join us at that tribe..................it's cool and there = are a lot of plugin designers who frequent it. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C527D8.869B6FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've arrived to this discussion=20 late.    
Would someone be into collating the final list = of this=20 post when it ends and reposting it
as a resource.
 
I have a tribe at tribe.net called=20 AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous that I'll post the results to =
(with credit to the collator for their = work).
 
Please come join us at that = tribe..................it's=20 cool and there are a lot of plugin designers who frequent = it.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C527D8.869B6FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 17:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DMTSA22955; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:29:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:29:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C527D9.04ABC680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C527D9.04ABC680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or = themselves) who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music = software there are at Loopers Delight. I can think of at least a half dozen. Do you folks feel like outing yourselves? It would be cool to know. I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity on = design for a few companies but I'm not a realy developer. Who are the real folks? ps Richard Zvonar and others: can you read this posting (I know you = don't like my dayglo green background but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if it's = not irritating.) I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which = is why I chose this color. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C527D9.04ABC680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   I wonder how many people who work = for=20 software companies (or themselves)
who are actually designing looping software, = plugins or=20 other music software there are
at Loopers Delight.
I can think of at least a half = dozen.
 
Do you folks feel like outing = yourselves?   It=20 would be cool to know.
 
I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an = advisory=20 capacity on design for a few companies but
I'm not a realy developer.  Who are the = real=20 folks?
 
 
 
ps  Richard Zvonar and = others:    can=20 you read this posting (I know you don't like my dayglo green=20 background
but I hate the normal = e-mail.......................color,=20 man, if it's not irritating.)
 
I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about = his grey=20 postings which is why I chose this color.
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C527D9.04ABC680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 17:43:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DMehV24594; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:40:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:40:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c5281d$8cd6b0d0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <006401c5281b$94f32d40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 111, in=242, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll post the final list, Rick. I'll wait a few more days for other submissions, then repost the list. K- -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:26 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: RE: List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc) I've arrived to this discussion late. Would someone be into collating the final list of this post when it ends and reposting it as a resource. I have a tribe at tribe.net called AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous that I'll post the results to (with credit to the collator for their work). Please come join us at that tribe..................it's cool and there are a lot of plugin designers who frequent it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 17:57:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DMt9u26315; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:54:39 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c5281f$a30b6f60$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 110, in=217, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <16F4I.A.caG.4SMNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). No VST, but supposedly in the future for XP. Supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any other platforms that support JACK http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software. (VST). Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT http://www.zonemobius.com/ 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop. Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC) http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC) http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html 6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST). http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin) http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ Supported on Windows and MAC OSX http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button. Supported on Windows http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ 9. AngstroLooper: a ridiculously long delay, it partly emulates an old style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while playing live (VST plugin). Supported on Windows http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - a VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows gratefully received. Supported on Windows http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - a long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 18:46:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2DNhZh01815; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:43:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.34] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:42:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 23:42:10.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[4672BCC0:01C52826] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not irritating at all if you cannot see it (I am quite seriously color-blind). I never noticed that NemoGuit was the only one posting in grey (I thought all postings were grey....I thought they were all grey, or at least they alll are to me!) Max >From: "loop.pool" color, man, if it's not irritating.) > >I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which is >why I chose this color. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 19:34:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2E0WQo11745; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:32:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:32:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c527c8$cbd985a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Adelaide + Aidan Baker with Mnemosyne Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:33:01 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wed. March 16th - Adelaide + Aidan Baker with Mnemosyne Adelaide formed in the summer sun of 2003, in Portland, Oregon. Drawing on their inspirations from a variety of musical genres and artistic mediums, the band discovered a mutual fascination with the combinations of sound and image. Through sonic and visual experimentations, Adelaide coalesced their aesthetic ideas into a performance that includes 16mm film projections, etherial electronics and minimal guitar and drum parts. Their debut self-titled album was released in august of 2004. http://www.adelaidesound.com Mnemosyne is based in Toronto and originally featured Aidan Baker on guitars/loops/vocals, Richard Baker on drums/ percussion, & Rodin Columb on bass/electronics. In early 2005, Graham Miller joined in as a second guitarist & synth/electronics player. Within the context of a 'power trio', they explore fragmentary post/space-rock ranging sonically from washes of ambient sound to walls of fractured dissonance. The group will be performing music from Aidan's newest CD "Figures" now available from Transient Frequency recordings. http://listen.to/aidan http://www.transientfrequency.com Between Sets CD - "Apart" (disc 1) by Paul Shutze Disc 1 of Australian-born, London, UK resident, composer, keyboardist & sound designer Paul Schütze's "Apart" CD merges ambient textures with percussion. http://www.paulschutze.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wednesday March 23rd - The Devil In The Design, Wierd State Inbetween and The Lonely Flight http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/thedevilinthedesign.htm http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/lonelyflight.htm http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/weirdstateinbetween.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Only two days after our first real taste of spring, PiNG artists & enthusiasts braved the snow and cold to gather at Hacienda for a concert by the talented folks from Worthy Records, a Hamilton-based collective and the only non-profit, artist-run record label in Ontario. Composed, arranged and performed by Anne Sulikowski, Building Castles out of Matchsticks presented a gorgeous first set of analogue synthesis and accidental sequences. Anne's vocal treatments added an ethereal element to an always intriguing performance. Anne was joined by Psychosomatic Climax Machine for the second set. Featuring Anne, Scott Johnson & Vanessa Price on keyboards and Phil Ogilson & Jeff Sinibaldi on guitars, this improvisational music ensemble captivated listeners with an electric performance of energy-building improvisations. General Chaos, who have become a regular part of Psychosomatic Climax Machine's live performances, supported both shows with their lush, atmospheric visuals. While PiNG organizers have their fingers crossed that the support shown last Wednesday night continues, they are also exploring new possibilities for TAP. Stay tuned for details. More info: www.worthyrecords.com Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Building Castles Out of Matchsticks return with "Then YOU must be an android!", a powerful collection of beat- and glitch-driven electronics matched with the emotionality that Anne Sulikowski's work has become so well known for. Opening with the title track, Anne and guest Scott Johnson create a percussion based groove matched with smooth and haunting vocal stylings. A blend of human and electronic influences that's a stunning and sexy way to start the disc. "I've Got a Camera" continues in a similar vein, a haunting vocal sliding through shifting drum patterns of increasing complexity and style slowly descending into a chaotic whirl of noise. Something very dark and ominous about this track, a feeling of film noir voyeurism and rainy nighttime secrets kept under a pre-post future shock post modern New York City skyline. Brilliant. "Fixed" follows, a rotating drone based piece building in intensity and tension. High pitched whistles and tones play throughout adding to the atmosphere, adding a sense of disturbance to the track. "Now wait for last year....." closes the disc, a repeated melody playing through a huge drum filled cavern eventually giving way to minimalist calm and tranquility. A stunningly powerful piece, a marvel of simplicity that leaves me in awe. Wonderful work. Needless to say, Anne has done it again, releasing a disc that perfectly captures the sounds of lonely hearts spending Saturday nights alone at home toying with electric friends. "You're beautiful..." he said as she looked up with a clockwork smile. "Beautiful." rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 20:11:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2E19NF19579; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:09:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:09:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <62.50c1f014.2f663e1d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:08:45 EST Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.50c1f014.2f663e1d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_62.50c1f014.2f663e1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/05 5:29:15 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings > bring me the head of that grey bastard! --part1_62.50c1f014.2f663e1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/13/05 5:29:15 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


I notice that noone seems to bu= g NemoGuit about his grey postings


bring me the head of that grey bastard!
--part1_62.50c1f014.2f663e1d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 13 21:20:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2E2HpQ03256; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1110766486.4234f39696ce1@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:14:46 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list References: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 67.170.225.206 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I fall into that catagory... It's a small industry but luckily I've managed to stay in it for 10+ years... I started at Opcode, porting Vision to Windows... then Digidesign, working on the ProTools port to Windows... Emu, working on the Emulator X project... Apple, working on Quicktime for the ProMedia group... and these days I am working at Euphonix, writing software for digital mixing consoles... on the side I have written many musical experiments, but most are just exercises in ideas... from controlling my ProMix01 in a way to do quad mixing, to a variety of midi fx, as well as Max type archtitectures (which, like alot of my projects don't ever get a proper UI, and thus sit unfinished.. hehe)... I write the midi portions of AmbiLoop.. And I've contributed to portmidi, a cross-platform midi library... blah... blah.. blah.. not sure that much info was needed, and, bottom line is I still love doing it, and I feel very thankful for that.. :) peace -cpr Quoting "loop.pool" : > I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves) > who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music software > there are > at Loopers Delight. > I can think of at least a half dozen. > > Do you folks feel like outing yourselves? It would be cool to know. > > I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity on design > for a few companies but > I'm not a realy developer. Who are the real folks? > > > > ps Richard Zvonar and others: can you read this posting (I know you don't > like my dayglo green background > but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if it's not > irritating.) > > I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which is > why I chose this color. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 00:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2E52j632614; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:02:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:02:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FnmCTzla5ynBgto0rBnp4N4allpmQx4pcoapogcfZLcmYYDFIfl4R4YU1k99Unw67HExkRiZneObym8hIp0UlBXhdfbX3f343E9rI6FjdHWLBGG1B3ZA+GSIPwyOztgSRV7T+YvrVV6X459CtfIDkkwtfYe8BEOR59Toh6x9Rcw= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730503132001a3b1fc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:01:18 -0500 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT (gig-spam) Solo Stick and loops at Emoda Gallery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all! I will be performing solo Chapman Stick and loops at Emoda Gallery in the Highlands in Louisville on Saturday, April 2nd from 7:00pm through 9:00pm as part of the first Bardstown Road (Highlands) Hip Hop Trolley hop. The Hip Hop is sponsored by the merchants group Highlands Independent Proprietors. For more info about the trolley hop, call 502-767-8051. Please come out and support local art, music, and craft! Emoda Gallery, 967 Baxter Avenue, Louisville, 40204 Thanks, Clint Allen www.clintallen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 01:13:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2E6B0510484; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,160,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="12085317:sNHT20096540" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:04:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote: > I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves) >who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music >software there are >at Loopers Delight. >I can think of at least a half dozen. > >Do you folks feel like outing yourselves? It would be cool to know. > >I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity >on design for a few companies but >I'm not a realy developer. Who are the real folks? > I used to (Dr T's KCS Omega with an always quirky, now primitive UI -- also with the ability to define 126 linked or independent sequences and start , stop mute, or loop any of these independently -- also had some less fully realized improv tools (midi -ax). Really wish we had not get our pc port project lose focus. Water under the bridge.... Now I write video software (my main art these days -- and one that I can get paid for without starting my own company.) -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 03:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2E8tZc05320; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:55:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=esiLrV7SVusFyFhMCDtPm9KciG99+68jaQLSGrFjpwxmBKUiR4PJFAxwOvN5zSe6UtrdlKap3GZ2Bf/SwWuT29xwvgOwF21S+aZ29TjkzmreTRkNKbjjgrc0uvlfyAn/p2cWOSYk8/nnl9L9wVkZ1VuI5uQz/Gn00+3jU40FKEw= ; Message-ID: <20050314085449.50517.qmail@web40826.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: READING? To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2Gx_6D.A.gQB.gFVNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently reading a BOSS GT-8 owner's manual. :) Recently, I read the "Little House" series of books by Laura Ingalls Wilder. OK, stop laughing! I really enjoyed them. A past favorite is "The Anubis Gates" by Tim Powers. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0441004016/002-1718407-1981650 John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 04:37:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2E9Yme13323; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:34:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:34:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: color (was Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:33:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 14, 2005, at 0:42, max valentino wrote: > It's not irritating at all if you cannot see it (I am quite seriously > color-blind). I never noticed that NemoGuit was the only one posting > in grey (I thought all postings were grey....I thought they were all > grey, or at least they alll are to me!) > > Max A bit off topic, but it reminds me of a funny story. In the nineties I was part of an artist project that made records signed to a major record label and one of the best record cover designer, that all labels were hiring for release projects, also had this inability to tell certain shades of red from green. He had been living for years in a flat under the strong belief that the bathroom was grey, when in fact it was green. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 05:21:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EAIZ821101; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010401c5287f$19dbf3d0$2d28d40a@h3g.it> From: "Giorgio Robino" To: Subject: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52887.7A595CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52887.7A595CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 I'm new here.=20 I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly = freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows. At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop ( = http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ). The question: 1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ? Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC = DELAYS (I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of = money=20 in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.) Many thanks=20 giorgio ----------------------------- http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3=20 http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3 If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western = Detunes" CD here:=20 http://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52887.7A595CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
I'm new here.
I'm ambient music guitarist ... and = I'm=20 looking for sw cheap (possibly freeware) sw to make lops and delays = wiith=20 windows.
At the moment I'm using the = beatiful Ambiloop=20 ( http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/&= nbsp;).
 
The question:
1. Do anyone know similar sw on = alternative=20 ?
Specifically I would like a tool to = use in=20 reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC=20 DELAYS
(I mean Multi-Tap=20 complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of = money 
in=20 hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.)
Many thanks
giorgio
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    http://solyari= s.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3=20
    http://solyaris.altervist= a.org/night's=20 valtzloop.mp3
If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western = Detunes" CD here: 
    h= ttp://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52887.7A595CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 06:05:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EB2OZ29801; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:02:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:02:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d001c52885$28ce7e70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:59:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris, you rock!!!!! Thanks for doing that work. We're all appreciative, I"m sure, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 06:49:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EBkZM04366; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WDSeSkbIq3d6LtL3EN0RS3g4mIygPY9i8hzbKHvH2rH18F1yWnFKln8wQOWo+BdF96RIAyofgvTEYQPcmeN8ICHj7/uH2XqeYnK13Z/I6BbFTcGf6Cr4AbNUvUwem+8HYH2J/RLrzr5EcGbZD5MxczSR9Un6xfse2z3H78ApSLE= ; Message-ID: <20050314114415.72887.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:44:15 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Laptop spec recomendations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would also be very interested in this and an easy an intuitive drums sampler that syncs perfect to the EDPs midi clock! --- hazard factor wrote: > With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any > spec recommendations > for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running > a few softsynths at > once? > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 07:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ECp6G15614; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:51:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:51:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:49:26 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01c52894$417b07e0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C52859.951C2FE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <010401c5287f$19dbf3d0$2d28d40a@h3g.it> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 111, in=245, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C52859.951C2FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? Also, try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays. http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/ Kris -----Original Message----- From: Giorgio Robino [mailto:giorgiorobino@HotPOP.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Hi all, I'm new here. I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows. At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop ( http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ). The question: 1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ? Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC DELAYS (I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of money in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.) Many thanks giorgio ----------------------------- http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3 http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3 If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western Detunes" CD here: http://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C52859.951C2FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Did=20 you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? Also, try = this page,=20 crammmed full of free and demo delays.
 
http://www= .hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/
 
Kris
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Giorgio Robino=20 [mailto:giorgiorobino@HotPOP.com]
Sent: Monday, March 14, = 2005 3:18=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: CHEAP=20 software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ?

Hi all,
I'm new here.
I'm ambient music guitarist ... = and I'm=20 looking for sw cheap (possibly freeware) sw to make lops and = delays wiith=20 windows.
At the moment I'm using the = beatiful=20 Ambiloop ( http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/&= nbsp;).
 
The question:
1. Do anyone know similar sw on = alternative=20 ?
Specifically I would like a tool = to use in=20 reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC=20 DELAYS
(I mean Multi-Tap=20 complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of = money 
in=20 hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. = etc.)
Many thanks
giorgio
-----------------------------
    http://solyari= s.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3=20
    http://solyaris.altervist= a.org/night's=20 valtzloop.mp3
If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy = "Western=20 Detunes" CD here: 
    h= ttp://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm<= /DIV>
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C52859.951C2FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 08:04:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ED0kv18810; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:00:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:00:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: <008401c52895$b090b980$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1DAar72dED-0002jQ@mrelay.perfora.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 111, in=261, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <85aXZC.A.6jE.CrYNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are hundreds of choices. My #1 choice would be a commercial notebook with an Intel mobile Centrino processor and 1gig of RAM. To find a commercial box from manufacturer, you'll need to go and buy it directly from their site, not a retail store (physical or online). For example, either IBM or Hewlett-Packard make high end commercial notebooks that they use themselves for their own employees. They will come loaded with XP Professional. The commercial notebooks are more robust and reliable than consumer notebooks...but a little more expensive. I say this because I'm considering a new notebook, and I have a consumer version. I would never buy a consumer laptop again, personally. And my wife works for Intel, and knows the scoop on what companies use what processors in their notebooks, what have a good reputation, etc. But, again, there are many commercial notebooks that would be fine. The processor is the key. On ProTools and mBox, for instance, I've major latency discrepancies between cheaper notebooks with lower end processors and more expensive notebook with higher end processors. With PC notebooks, you can't ignore the type of processor, whether AMD, Intel, or all the subsets of processor types within these. They each have their different function or purpose, and performance behavior. Basically you pay for what you get. If you buy a computer online and you have the option to do a custom configuration (which you can usually do), don't cut corners on the processor. That will manifest itself in your musical software performance. ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any spec recommendations for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running a few softsynths at once? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 09:49:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EEji404892; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:45:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:45:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42359F12.2020200@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:26:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #416 for March 10, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050310.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #416 March 10, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American Ambient master Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Live Archive" by Steve Roach and vidnaObmana on the Groove Unlimited label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Dune" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records released in 1979. Steve Roach - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm Klaus Schulze Dune * Dune (Brain) Ian Boddy and Bernhard Accretion Moiré (DiN) Wösteinrich Ian Boddy and Bernhard Perambulator Moiré (DiN) Wösteinrich Tor Lundvall It's Over Now Last Light (Strange Fortune) VA [Volt] Obviously E-dition #5 (Groove) Remy Shades in the Darkness Different Shades of Dust (AKH) Matthew Florianz Part Two The Tone T(h)ree (NS Recordings) 12:00 am Roach and Obmana Verucchio Invocation Live Archive (Groove) Roach and Obmana Common Ground Live Archive (Groove) Roach and Obmana Two Reptiles Live Archive (Groove) Roach and Obmana Dreampipe Dialogue Live Archive (Groove) Roach and Obmana Soundworld Collage Live Archive (Groove) Roach and Obmana Ascension Live Archive (Groove) Roach and Obmana Tribal Perspective Live Archive (Groove) Roach and Obmana Divine Innermission * Live Archive (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Streams and Currents" by Steve Roach on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Wunjo" by Giles Reaves on MCA Records from 1986. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 10:27:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EFOxL15166; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:24:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:24:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:24:10 -0700 Message-ID: <008e01c528a9$df29f4a0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1DAar72dED-0002jQ@mrelay.perfora.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 111, in=246, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <56Cb3B.A.WrD.jyaNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One last thing. Check out this site: http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/processors/index.htm Click on the various models and look at the specs around clock speed, L2 cache, etc. Also, don't bee fooled by the Centrino/Intel Pentium M Process clock speeds...they show as lower than the prior Intel processors, but they are technically much more efficient and exhibit faster performance because Centrino uses a different technology. They can't be compared directly because Centrino works much more efficiently than other Intel processors, in the way it allocates its processing power, instructions, etc. If you internalize these specs, then when you go to buy a PC notebook with an Intel processor, you'll know what you are getting rather than letting the idiot sales person try to lead you to one option or flavor of the day, based on what their boss is asking them to push through the pipeline at that particular time. You could go to the AMD website and look at their processor specs too. I have a Compaq/HP consumer notebook - a Presario 2525US with a 2.4 GHz desktop processor, Intel Pentium 4. You'll know if a notebook uses a desktop versus mobile processor, because they are noisy and the notebooks are thick and heavy. I would avoid these. I plan to personally buy a notebook with a mobile processor next time. Quite, fast, efficient...no fan noise getting into your recordings, etc. With my current notebook, I am able to run two or three VST plugins in ProTools and the Mobius looper VST with no problems. And ProTools sucks up some processing power too. If I ran my VSTs in something like AudioMulch, it would perform better. I have a friend who bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and performance with ProTools. We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard drive configurations. The only difference was our processors. It was very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can run my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency. He had to run his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash ProTools once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of the crash. I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me, unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump my bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not recording. This prevents any sort of ProTools crash. It's something about how our two processors allocate resources for memory, cache, processing, etc. I wish I knew the details, but the only difference I could tell was that he was using a less expesive processor...other than this, it's all a mystery to me. Point being, I just won't cut corners on a processor. Kris ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any spec recommendations for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running a few softsynths at once? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 10:40:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EFapq18857; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c528ab$8657b220$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:34:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote: >> I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or >> themselves) >>who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music >>software there are >>at Loopers Delight. >>I can think of at least a half dozen. >> >>Do you folks feel like outing yourselves? It would be cool to know. I wrote a few plugins for Tuareg (www.brambos.com) I'd like to do some more audio programming, but I'm having much more fun playing with the plugins these days. I've tried my hand at SynthEdit and it's a nice environment for doing VSTs. I try keeping up with the discussions on MusicDSP, but most of it makes my head explode. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 10:42:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EFd2L19722; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:26:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1101308188==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1101308188==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote: >ps Richard Zvonar and others: can you read this posting (I know >you don't like my dayglo green background >but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if >it's not irritating.) > >I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings >which is why I chose this color. It's marginally legible and relatively annoying. Even if I change my screen resolution to 1024 x 768 I have to lean forward and squint in order to make it out, whereas the black Monaco font I'm using is clearly legible at 1344 x 840. I think people who post in colors and gray are concerned more with presenting their personal "style" than with conveying useful information. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1101308188==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list
At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote:

ps  Richard Zvonar and others:    can you read this posting (I know you don't like my dayglo green background
but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if it's not irritating.)
 
I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which is why I chose this color.

It's marginally legible and relatively annoying. Even if I change my screen resolution to 1024 x 768  I have to lean forward and squint in order to make it out, whereas the black Monaco font I'm using is clearly legible at 1344 x 840.

I think people who post in colors and gray are concerned more with presenting their personal "style" than with conveying useful information.
-- 

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1101308188==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 12:00:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EGuUb04133; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:56:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:55:44 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list In-reply-to: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4235C210.6000507@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop.pool wrote: > I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves) > who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music > software there are > at Loopers Delight. > I can think of at least a half dozen. > > Do you folks feel like outing yourselves? It would be cool to know. I've been posting to the list lately, so most of you probably already know me as the author of Mobius. But hey, I'm not one to back away from another chance at self promotion :-) I've been writing music software as a hobby on and off for about 20 years, mostly MIDI sequencers and device editors. I started on the Amiga, moved to the PC, and am about to take possession of a MAC Mini (yes, I'm porting). Professionally, I've done a lot of different things mostly at startup companies. Currently I develop mind numbing "enterprise security" software. Working on Mobius keeps me sane. Musically, I started as a jazz tenor sax player but abandoned that after college. I taught myself guitar to meet girls, which oddly enough didn't work. I don't gig, I improvise and occasionally record for my own enjoyment. My current gear favorites are the Vortex, Roland VG-88, and Godin LGX-SA. My first "looper" was a Korg delay with a whopping 2 seconds of loop time. I eventually graduated to a JamMan but got frustrated with the lack of stereo. I set out to write a stereo looper to replace the JamMan about a year ago, got sidetracked after discovering the EDP, and eventually arrived at Mobius. A long strange trip indeed. Regards, Jeff www.zonemobius.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 12:42:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EHcqY12924; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:38:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:38:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:37:05 +0000 Message-Id: <031420051737.24608.4235CBC10000B0200000602021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 8 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > One last thing. Check out this site: > > http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/processors/index.htm > > Click on the various models and look at the specs around clock speed, L2 >... > Kris Hey Kris, maybe you can help me...I'm having a severe GAS attack for one of these: Please talk me out of it! The last two weekends I've been playing around with building my entire looping setup inside Reaktor on my old PC with a 500MHz PIII. It works great, and I can do all kinds of stuff I can't do with the pedalboard setup, like instantaneously change the drum beat and the guitar processing on the fly without having to hit a lot of switches really fast. I just set up a sequencer that controls three Tapedeck modules, the processing of the guitar's split pickup, the drum loops, and audio routing. Then while performing I just step on one pedal to advance the sequencer to the next step. It rocks. And with Reaktor's Beat Loop module, I can set it up so it seamlessly changes the speed of the drum loops to whatever tempo I need. And I won't run out of memory if I play Girl From Ipanema and forget to set the Echoplex from 3 loops to 2 loops. (One chorus of Girl from Ipanema is slightly longer than 66 seconds!) Anyway, if I had this neKO beast, I could do it all inside there, then add my synthesized big band horns AND Hammond organ keyboard sounds to it using the Native Instruments' B4 program. The thought of it is making me drool. Please tell me that this thing is way overpriced and how I could build an equivalent setup way cheaper. Stop me before it's too late. Thanks! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 12:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EHpPE15193; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:51:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022201c528be$3cee3ab0$2d28d40a@h3g.it> From: "Giorgio Robino" To: References: <007a01c52894$417b07e0$6801a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:49:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MessageThank you Kris for your info, >Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? no, I don't know. I'm new here can you please give me a link ? >Also, try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays. mmhh.... I saw that most are VST plugins; I don't know how to run a VST plugin (I'm using Audacity and some VST plugins seem to ot run properly); may you suggets a freeware software to use as VST to act as a launching pad ? btw, I would prefer satdalone sw .. as the great Ambiloop :) regards giorgio ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, 14 March, 2005 13:49 Subject: RE: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? Also, try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays. http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/ Kris -----Original Message----- From: Giorgio Robino [mailto:giorgiorobino@HotPOP.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Hi all, I'm new here. I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows. At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop ( http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ). The question: 1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ? Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC DELAYS (I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of money in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.) Many thanks giorgio ----------------------------- http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3 http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3 If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western Detunes" CD here: http://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 13:00:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EHuwA16648; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:56:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:56:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:56:16 -0700 Message-ID: <009301c528bf$1eaac5e0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <031420051737.24608.4235CBC10000B0200000602021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 112, in=247, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would you be using the keys on the keyboard? Or just using it as a way to get to the PC and also control with your guitar synth? You can also buy hardware units that will load up with VST plugins (effects, soft-synths, etc), like the Muse Receptor. I'd say forget the keyboard and use the processing power of a computer or hardware VST host. The keyboard seems to add a lot of redundant technology that you can perform with the computer. That Neko is pricey too! I cool combination would be something like the Receptor for our VST effects, and then a notebook with Mobius for your looping. I still need to fully test the stability of running a series of VST effects and a looping VST on the same computer...so far, so good, but I haven't tested it with long songs, multiple layers of loops, etc. ...just my two cents. Kris -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) > One last thing. Check out this site: > > http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/processors/index.htm > > Click on the various models and look at the specs around clock speed, >L2 ... Kris Hey Kris, maybe you can help me...I'm having a severe GAS attack for one of these: Please talk me out of it! The last two weekends I've been playing around with building my entire looping setup inside Reaktor on my old PC with a 500MHz PIII. It works great, and I can do all kinds of stuff I can't do with the pedalboard setup, like instantaneously change the drum beat and the guitar processing on the fly without having to hit a lot of switches really fast. I just set up a sequencer that controls three Tapedeck modules, the processing of the guitar's split pickup, the drum loops, and audio routing. Then while performing I just step on one pedal to advance the sequencer to the next step. It rocks. And with Reaktor's Beat Loop module, I can set it up so it seamlessly changes the speed of the drum loops to whatever tempo I need. And I won't run out of memory if I play Girl From Ipanema and forget to set the Echoplex from 3 loops to 2 loops. (One chorus of Girl from Ipanema is slightly longer than 66 seconds!) Anyway, if I had this neKO beast, I could do it all inside there, then add my synthesized big band horns AND Hammond organ keyboard sounds to it using the Native Instruments' B4 program. The thought of it is making me drool. Please tell me that this thing is way overpriced and how I could build an equivalent setup way cheaper. Stop me before it's too late. Thanks! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 13:05:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EI1O419066; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:01:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: <009401c528bf$9e015840$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <022201c528be$3cee3ab0$2d28d40a@h3g.it> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 111, in=262, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AudioMulch is a cool host for VST effects...you can drop them in the window, creating your own routing and configuration, etc. http://www.audiomulch.com/ Also, that same website I copied below links to a HUGE selection of other VST effects and hosts: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/HOSTS_VST/ Kris -----Original Message----- From: Giorgio Robino [mailto:giorgiorobino@HotPOP.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? MessageThank you Kris for your info, >Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? no, I don't know. I'm new here can you please give me a link ? >Also, try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays. mmhh.... I saw that most are VST plugins; I don't know how to run a VST plugin (I'm using Audacity and some VST plugins seem to ot run properly); may you suggets a freeware software to use as VST to act as a launching pad ? btw, I would prefer satdalone sw .. as the great Ambiloop :) regards giorgio ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, 14 March, 2005 13:49 Subject: RE: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? Also, try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays. http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/ Kris -----Original Message----- From: Giorgio Robino [mailto:giorgiorobino@HotPOP.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ? Hi all, I'm new here. I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows. At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop ( http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ). The question: 1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ? Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC DELAYS (I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of money in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.) Many thanks giorgio ----------------------------- http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3 http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3 If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western Detunes" CD here: http://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 13:56:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EIrIr29153; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008e01c528a9$df29f4a0$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <008e01c528a9$df29f4a0$6801a8c0@khartung> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:49:13 -0700 To: From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > >I have a friend who bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on >the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and performance >with ProTools. We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard >drive configurations. The only difference was our processors. It was >very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can run >my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency. He had to run >his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash ProTools >once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of the >crash. I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me, >unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump my >bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not >recording. This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using Protools LE a while back on various processors and every one of them has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount of latency for each setting. Is there any chance that you had the Low Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. It would be very interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast enough processor, I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing latency! All the best, Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 14:37:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EJZRA04962; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:35:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:11:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: email formatting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:26 AM -0800 3/14/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote: > >>ps Richard Zvonar and others: can you read this posting (I know >>you don't like my dayglo green background >>but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if >>it's not irritating.) >> >>I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings >>which is why I chose this color. > >It's marginally legible and relatively annoying. Even if I change my >screen resolution to 1024 x 768 I have to lean forward and squint >in order to make it out, whereas the black Monaco font I'm using is >clearly legible at 1344 x 840. > >I think people who post in colors and gray are concerned more with >presenting their personal "style" than with conveying useful >information. I have my email set up with no background and this list gets sent to me in plain text rather than html or whatever encoding. Much easier to deal with. Why make things more complicated than they need to be? They all look the same to me! Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 14:38:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EJa2K05127; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:36:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:36:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4235C210.6000507@sun.com> References: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4235C210.6000507@sun.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:15:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:55 AM -0600 3/14/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > >I've been writing music software as a hobby on and off for about 20 >years, mostly MIDI sequencers and device editors. I started on the >Amiga, moved to the PC, and am about to take possession of a MAC Mini >(yes, I'm porting). > I am hoping that the porting will be Mobius! Let us know if you need beta testers. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 14:47:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EJhug07610; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:43:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: email formatting Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:42:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcUozUiEsp0tsOZnTEO8Y8oNSSQrbQAAGhyw Message-Id: <20050314194255.DLMV13819.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Edwin Hurwitz wrote: I have my email set up with no background and this list gets sent to me in plain text rather than html or whatever encoding. Much easier to deal with. Why make things more complicated than they need to be? They all look the same to me! Edwin -- ----> This is what Kim Flint, reality tv star, has always asked for-- I think HTML screws up the digest form of the list . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 14:58:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EJtmM10752; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:55:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:55:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c528a9$df29f4a0$6801a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:53:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Please remember that any discussion of latency is only valid IF you do intend to use software monitoring on the machine (i.e. real-time effect processing of your direct instrument input sound). If your instrument input already sounds good you should use direct monitoring to pipe it directly to the output. Since audio software is usually compensating for AD/DA latency, the part of the sound that is being processed and looped by software will be catching up with the direct instrument sound at the output in perfect sync (= no latency). I do this and usually keep the buffer setting at 256 samples, sometimes 512. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote: >> >> I have a friend who bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on >> the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and >> performance >> with ProTools. We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard >> drive configurations. The only difference was our processors. It was >> very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can >> run >> my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency. He had to run >> his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash ProTools >> once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of >> the >> crash. I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me, >> unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump >> my >> bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not >> recording. > On Mar 14, 2005, at 19:49, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I > don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, > hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency > independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that > means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using > Protools LE a while back on various processors and every one of them > has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount of > latency for each setting. Is there any chance that you had the Low > Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different > fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer > size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. It would be very > interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast enough processor, > I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing > latency! > > > All the best, > Edwin > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 15:06:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EK2pL14452; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:02:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:02:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <006b01c5281c$12f79d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:55:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: email formatting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9ythU.A.GaD.O2eNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:11 PM -0700 3/14/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: >I have my email set up with no background and this list gets sent to >me in plain text rather than html or whatever encoding. Much easier >to deal with. Why make things more complicated than they need to be? >They all look the same to me! This is a sensible way to deal with the problem. Unfortunately most e-mail clients will require that you set up the HTML/plain text option globally. Some of the announcements I subscribe to actually use HTML in a useful way. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 16:51:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ELmuB07536; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:48:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:48:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: <00a701c528df$8553d910$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 111, in=220, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6dOvYB.A.r0B.magNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > >I have a friend who bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on >the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and performance >with ProTools. We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard >drive configurations. The only difference was our processors. It was >very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can >run my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency. He had to >run his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash >ProTools once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more >risk of the crash. I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes >for me, unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then >I bump my bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm >not recording. > This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using Protools LE a while back on various processors and every one of them has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount of latency for each setting. I may have described my situation above incorrectly. I can't recall exactly if he had more latency on 256 than me on my processor. I just know that his system produced the buffer error constantly on 128 and occasionally on 256. For some reason, I think his 256 buffer setting did produce more latency than mine....now I want to go over and do the test again. > Is there any chance that you had the Low Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. Where is that setting? I haven't seen it in my version of ProTools LE. What do you have under Setup, Preference, and Processing? > It would be very interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast enough processor, I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing latency! I would not be able to test what we're asking here without getting a better notebook and processor than what I have now. I don't know if the buffer size to latency ratio is relative or absolutute. One thing I do know, based on the test I did with a processor that wasn't as robust as mine, is that buffer errors are relative to processor efficency. Your guess is as good as mine! I'm going to go over to the ProTools user group on Digidesign's site and see if this is discussed anywhere. All I know at this point is that the buffer error frequency changes from system to system with the same buffer settings. What can we conclude from this? Kris All the best, Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 16:59:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ELusb09159; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:56:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:56:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:55:25 -0700 Message-ID: <00a901c528e0$874aaa90$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 111, in=222, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good point, Per. For example, on mBox/ProTools, you can just turn the wet mix off and hear your direct signal....works great if you record with effects. I actually use 128 as my buffer setting, because I'm not using the mBox to record, just host my VSTs. Hence I get no buffer errors that I would get if I recorded at 128. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Hi, Please remember that any discussion of latency is only valid IF you do intend to use software monitoring on the machine (i.e. real-time effect processing of your direct instrument input sound). If your instrument input already sounds good you should use direct monitoring to pipe it directly to the output. Since audio software is usually compensating for AD/DA latency, the part of the sound that is being processed and looped by software will be catching up with the direct instrument sound at the output in perfect sync (= no latency). I do this and usually keep the buffer setting at 256 samples, sometimes 512. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote: >> >> I have a friend who bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on >> the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and >> performance with ProTools. We both had notebooks with similar RAM, >> XP, and hard drive configurations. The only difference was our >> processors. It was very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback >> Engine settings, I can run >> my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency. He had to run >> his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash ProTools >> once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of >> the >> crash. I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me, >> unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump >> my >> bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not >> recording. > On Mar 14, 2005, at 19:49, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I > don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, > hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency > independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that > means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using > Protools LE a while back on various processors and every one of them > has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount of > latency for each setting. Is there any chance that you had the Low > Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different > fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer > size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. It would be very > interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast enough processor, > I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing > latency! > > > All the best, > Edwin > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 17:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EM1Kt11403; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:01:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:01:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4236098B.4050300@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:00:43 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Why *not* to buy a nEKO (was: Re: All-Laptop live??) References: <031420051737.24608.4235CBC10000B0200000602021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <031420051737.24608.4235CBC10000B0200000602021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, Mark, for serious horsepower you'd need the 64-bit dual opteron processor - neKo64 with Dual Opteron 64-bit 1.4GHz/512MB RAM/80GB HD/CDRW/Touchscreen - a minimum of 1gig of ram - especially for largish sample-banks. Also required is an extra harddrive and a case for transportation (forklift not included - the above system weighs in at almost 100 pounds!!!) It doesn't really have any software on it, that isn't either freeware in the first place. All of this bulky, ugly-looking stuff for the low, low price of just 7,485$! Now, let's examine what we can get for that kind of money: My Alternate System: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=83-102-610&DEPA=0 - An AMD64 3500+ pc with one gigabyte of ram, a 200g harddrive, and all the trimmings .1668 $ http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-016-046&depa=1 - A Planar 17" touchscreen LCD monitor 758 $ http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=23-134-025&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE - laptop-style keyboard and touchpad 54 $ http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=22-140-151&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE - maxtor 200 gig 7200 rpm drive.103 $ That's got the basics more-or-less covered: Touchscreen, really fast computer, tiny keyboard with trackpad. And I'll bet you it's easier to lug around. So, how much was that? It totals out at $2,582.99. Leaving you with about a cool 5 grand. You could buy a decent car with that money. or ten macMinis. Or a killer soundcard and a trip to Bermuda. Or a chapman Stick. Or, if you desperately want to spend: Spend on one of these: http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Order/WebHome - An awesome Kyma, with extra processing board, MotorMix controller( - doesn't get much better than a motormix), a carrying case and a Wacom board!!! - all of this KYMA-stuff is 4937.00 $ SO: BAD-ASS PC SYSTEM W. TOUCHSCREEN: 2583 $ BAD-ASS KYMA SYSTEM : 4937 $ - vs. the measly nEKO 64.... tsk. Of course you shouldn't run out and spend all that money, that's partly my point - that no-one in their right minds would buy 8000$ worth of computer gear in one go, why should nEKO be treated any differently? Andreas PS: the suggestion I made for an alternate, way cooler system is of course a BYOMK, bring your own midi keyboard, but those are cheap as chips.. PPS: oh great, now I*VE got a major case of G.A.S. for the Kyma system. *sigh*. PPPS: What ever you do, don't buy a nEKO! mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: Hey Kris, maybe you can help me...I'm having a severe GAS attack for one of these: >> >> >>Please talk me out of it! >>... >>Anyway, if I had this neKO beast, I could do it all inside there, then add my >>synthesized big band horns AND Hammond organ keyboard sounds to it using the >>Native Instruments' B4 program. The thought of it is making me drool. Please >>tell me that this thing is way overpriced and how I could build an equivalent >>setup way cheaper. Stop me before it's too late. Thanks! >> >>Mark Smart >>http://www.marksmart.net >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 17:07:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EM5Zk12299; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:05:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:05:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <76.4ef413b8.2f676476@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:04:38 EST Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.4ef413b8.2f676476_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <-vBIVB.A.Z-C.JqgNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_76.4ef413b8.2f676476_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/05 10:38:08 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > I think people who post in colors and gray are concerned more with > presenting their personal "style" than with conveying useful information. > ouch! --part1_76.4ef413b8.2f676476_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In=20= a message dated 3/14/05 10:38:08 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


I think people who post in colo= rs and gray are concerned more with presenting their personal "style" than w= ith conveying useful information.


ouch!
--part1_76.4ef413b8.2f676476_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 17:12:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EMA1213399; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:10:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:10:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42360B7C.1040509@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:09:00 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list References: <76.4ef413b8.2f676476@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <76.4ef413b8.2f676476@aol.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a3da47e96f5ac207a6a5e8c63727c230350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, that punk Rick Walker posts in lime green sometimes. Jerk. -J ;) Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > * > *In a message dated 3/14/05 10:38:08 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > > >> I think people who post in colors and gray are concerned more with >> presenting their personal "style" than with conveying useful information. > > > > ouch! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 17:58:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2EMtBx21586; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:55:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:55:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42360B7C.1040509@neoprimitive.net> References: <76.4ef413b8.2f676476@aol.com> <42360B7C.1040509@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:50:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:09 PM -0500 3/14/05, Jesse Lucas wrote: >Yeah, that punk Rick Walker posts in lime green sometimes. Jerk. Well, yeah... It's only because I have such regard for Rick that I was willing to go through the extra effort to make those posts legible (I'd sometimes have to make a copy of his messages and then change the color and font size). To his credit, Rick responded to my request by toning down his color scheme. Now that it's all coming through in black Monaco, normal size I get fewer headaches. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 18:29:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ENPK429095; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:24:26 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) In-reply-to: <00a701c528df$8553d910$6801a8c0@khartung> To: khartung@cableone.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42361D2A.5040101@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <00a701c528df$8553d910$6801a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software: There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is independent of buffer sizes. Among other things this is affected by the operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running. When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing is compensating for this inherent latency. If the buffer size is less than inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks". If the buffer size is greater than inherent latency, things will run smoothly you will just be over compensating. The goal is to tune your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency without being less. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 18:44:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ENedr32271; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:40:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:40:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:39:56 -0700 Message-ID: <00af01c528ef$21269a80$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <42361D2A.5040101@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 112, in=249, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Except that it is difficult to "tune" your buffer size when you only have 128, 256, 512, etc as options, and each program/application has different thresholds for producing buffer errors. In other words, what do you do when 128 has no latency but you get buffer errors after 30 seconds of recording...or when 256 doesn't produce buffer errors, but you have annoying latency? [rhetorical question] In my experience, changing computers and processors has made the difference, but this is a far cry from a simple tuning....and expensive too! The buffer error thing here is in context of ProTools, which complicates the issue. K- -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:24 PM To: khartung@cableone.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software: There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is independent of buffer sizes. Among other things this is affected by the operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running. When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing is compensating for this inherent latency. If the buffer size is less than inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks". If the buffer size is greater than inherent latency, things will run smoothly you will just be over compensating. The goal is to tune your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency without being less. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 18:51:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ENlDe00976; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:47:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:47:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c528f0$24a9b150$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <42361D2A.5040101@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2ENjsx00629 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mhmmm...correct me if I'm wrong, but... The buffers are used to compensate for dynamic changes in latency. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2005 00:24 An: khartung@cableone.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software: There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is independent of buffer sizes. Among other things this is affected by the operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running. When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing is compensating for this inherent latency. If the buffer size is less than inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks". If the buffer size is greater than inherent latency, things will run smoothly you will just be over compensating. The goal is to tune your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency without being less. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 19:55:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F0pqA10554; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:51:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:51:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUo7UKefw0hSDQrRomQwIzs3gdMwQAC40dg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <42361D2A.5040101@sun.com> Message-Id: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this case, a laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure that everything works correctly is worth an added expense? This might also be a rhetorical question. Gary Hardware looper -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:24 PM To: khartung@cableone.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software: There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is independent of buffer sizes. Among other things this is affected by the operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running. When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing is compensating for this inherent latency. If the buffer size is less than inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks". If the buffer size is greater than inherent latency, things will run smoothly you will just be over compensating. The goal is to tune your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency without being less. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 20:07:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F13LJ14022; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:03:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:03:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:02:13 -0700 Message-ID: <00b801c528fa$9fed6f00$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 112, in=263, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or at a bare minimum buying a notebook that the company has tested and recommends with the application you plan to use. For example with ProTools mBox, Digidesign has tested and recommends a handful of notebooks. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: All-Laptop live?? Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this case, a laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure that everything works correctly is worth an added expense? This might also be a rhetorical question. Gary Hardware looper -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:24 PM To: khartung@cableone.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software: There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is independent of buffer sizes. Among other things this is affected by the operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running. When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing is compensating for this inherent latency. If the buffer size is less than inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks". If the buffer size is greater than inherent latency, things will run smoothly you will just be over compensating. The goal is to tune your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency without being less. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 20:35:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F1VXh17857; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:31:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:31:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:30:37 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) In-reply-to: <00af01c528ef$21269a80$6801a8c0@khartung> To: khartung@cableone.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42363ABD.2090808@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <00af01c528ef$21269a80$6801a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris Hartung wrote: > Except that it is difficult to "tune" your buffer size when you only > have 128, 256, 512, etc as options, and each program/application has > different thresholds for producing buffer errors. Right. It's really a lot more complicated than this, I just tried to come up with a simple conceptual model (inherent latency) to explain why buffer sizes have to be different from machine to machine, and why saying "latency = buffer size" is not the whole picture. Perhaps that's an over simplification. Another way to think of it, that's also reasonably accurate is that with small buffer sizes the processor has to "work harder" because it is being "called" more frequently to handle little blocks of audio. Faster processors will help you keep up with the demand. I'm not saying processor speed doesn't make a difference, but the importance tapers off after a point. You're not going to see any difference in latency between a 3Ghz processor and a 3.5 Ghz processor, though you may see one between a 2Ghz and 3Ghz. I haven't done any measurements to find where the sweet spot is, but if you're shopping for a brand new PC most processors should be fine. I would probably not get a Celeron though. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 20:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F1eOL19451; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:40:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:40:17 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: AW: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) In-reply-to: <000201c528f0$24a9b150$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42363D01.60609@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000201c528f0$24a9b150$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: <0OnKvB.A.BvE.uzjNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Mhmmm...correct me if I'm wrong, but... > The buffers are used to compensate for dynamic changes in latency. Yes. Not only is there an average inherent latency, but it also changes slightly over time as the processor becomes burdened with other things besides responding to audio interrupts. The buffer size has to be larger than the highest possible latency, not the minimum or average latency. This is a much bigger issue with non-ASIO drivers since there is a lot of OS code between the sound card and the application that increases the variability. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 20:46:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F1iMK20214; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:44:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42363DF7.4060806@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:44:23 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) References: <00af01c528ef$21269a80$6801a8c0@khartung> <42363ABD.2090808@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <42363ABD.2090808@sun.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79882034493b4c5489519a9a70614ebcd6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.199.64.22 Resent-Message-ID: <07hwGC.A.P7E.h3jNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Larson wrote: I haven't done > any measurements to find where the sweet spot is, but if you're shopping > for a brand new PC most processors should be fine. I would probably > not get a Celeron though. Just for benchmarking... I have a P4 2.4GHz PC laptop running Windows XP Pro, and with the ASIO drivers for my MOTU 828mkII set to a buffer size of 128 I get 2.5ms latency on real-time input in Sonar. This is with several tracks of audio and MIDI playing concurrently, and running a live input through two or three effects (e.g. Renaissance Compressor -> Cakewalk Chorus -> Cakewalk Reverb). Your mileage may vary. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 20:49:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F1kSM20866; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:46:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42363E6F.4040702@neoprimitive.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:46:23 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) References: <00af01c528ef$21269a80$6801a8c0@khartung> <42363ABD.2090808@sun.com> <42363DF7.4060806@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <42363DF7.4060806@neoprimitive.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ab045c60367166a6aea54f791d907ba1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.199.64.22 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, and I did most of the tweaks at http://www.musicxp.net to my machine. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 20:58:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F1u0H23013; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:56:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Gear for sale Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:56:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dc Adrenalinn II still available? mp > -----Original Message----- > From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Gear for sale > > > About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a > pre-sale offer to the list: > > TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee > card: $350 > Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225 > Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200 > Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185 > Boss GT-5: $275 > > All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc.... > Paypal preferred > Thanks! > dc > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 21:28:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F2Pra28596; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:25:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:25:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:24:42 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? In-reply-to: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4236476A.2070706@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this case, a > laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure that > everything works correctly is worth an added expense? I personally don't think so, but it all depends on how comfortable you are selecting hardware and making OS tweaks. I can see why a lot of people would pay extra to have an optimized "audio" PC, but paying to have someone install Sonar and a bunch of VST plugins is unnecessary IMO. Stick with major brands, avoid version 1.0, and never, ever run Internet Explorer. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 21:45:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F2h9B31473; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:43:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:43:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4r7kJZb7XHoLQJmaJEg8bw7eRXbfBKLKCDAOl5santMrF45u6BugHmMxX5wSDXROoSKQ8/VsNND/DdGkfPK/wgrpOcWwqqG9dV2+wcUB0SIE8JhF9FCJ5jSAjW4YMt3qZb0meVElYoLipomKIKr4iTO8Wpw10MFLoSCRf/nlcDs= ; Message-ID: <20050315024111.46789.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:41:11 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Fraud warning:" Paypal acct. suspended" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do not reply or give out your info! I'm sure most of you have an eye for these scams. link describing this scam: http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/report/107 =Randy= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 21:56:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F2sI300727; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:54:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:54:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=THc8r71Uo70q+TlS6+m6+RwAXor7BIxJf2HVtex40RKsVJXK6KJxei8a4tvgIBSY0gHS7m3j28U/Mz1ip5I+KGZwGl8VnMDYWmiF+CzvTT8TsA7zQrJQeUcN9GW6LIkUy5hBPwOwJA+FX3Ow6jUbxA7zIqNicmCbdL20/aCV9hQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:53:05 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fraud warning:" Paypal acct. suspended" In-Reply-To: <20050315024111.46789.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050315024111.46789.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, like I'm going to click on that link--that'll be the next sort of scam... On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:41:11 -0800 (PST), Randy Leifer wrote: > Do not reply or give out your info! > I'm sure most of you have an eye for these scams. > > link describing this scam: > > http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/report/107 > > > =Randy= > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 22:03:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F2xad03111; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,163,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="760784376:sNHT2869387142" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <22D646B8-94FE-11D9-BFB1-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Gear for sale Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:58:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, got another taker minutes before you wrote! On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:56 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > dc > Adrenalinn II still available? > mp > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:59 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Gear for sale >> >> >> About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a >> pre-sale offer to the list: >> >> TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee >> card: $350 >> Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225 >> Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200 >> Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185 >> Boss GT-5: $275 >> >> All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc.... >> Paypal preferred >> Thanks! >> dc >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 22:12:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F39n604421; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a701c528df$8553d910$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <00a701c528df$8553d910$6801a8c0@khartung> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:09:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Low Latency Monitoring for PT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Is there any chance that you had the Low >Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different >fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer >size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. > >Where is that setting? I haven't seen it in my version of ProTools LE. >What do you have under Setup, Preference, and Processing? From the PT Reference Guide: Low Latency Monitoring (Digi 002 and Digi 002 Rack Only) Digi 002 and Digi 002 Rack systems can use the Low Latency Monitoring option to record with an extremely small amount of monitoring latency, to as many tracks as each system supports. To use Low Latency Monitoring: 1 Record enable audio tracks by clicking their Record Enable buttons. Only tracks with inputs set to an audio interface (not a bus) use Low Latency Monitoring. 2 From the Output Selector, assign each track to either Output 1 or Output 2. Only tracks assigned to these outputs use Low Latency Monitoring. 3 Select Operations > Low Latency Monitoring. When Low Latency Monitoring is enabled, any plug-ins and sends assigned to record-enabled tracks (routed to Outputs 1-2) are automatically bypassed, and must remain bypassed. Also, these tracks will not register on meters for Master Faders. HTH Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 23:01:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F3wx710581; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:58:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:58:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: FW: VST and GuitarRig Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:58:00 -0700 Message-ID: <00c601c52913$2e37bf50$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Low X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 112, in=224, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_ci_OC.A.niC.U1lNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...very disappointing: -----Original Message----- From: no_reply@native-instruments.de [mailto:no_reply@native-instruments.de] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:12 PM Dear Krispen, Guitar Rig cannot be used as a VST host for other plugins. Best regards, Stefan Mueller -> Stefan Mueller -> Native Instruments GmbH -> Schlesische Str. 28 -> D-10997 Berlin -> Germany -> http://www.native-instruments.com ->>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the Future of Sound! <<<<<<- > > REQUEST: 4979: > VST and GuitarRig > DESCRIPTION: > Hello - in your GuitarRig product literature, you say that it can be > used as a VST plugin in another program, such as ProTools; however, > can GuitarRig itself be used to run other VST plugins? For instance, > can I run GuitarRig as a standalone and drop other VST amps and > effects into the virtual rack? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 23:12:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F48of13672; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:08:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: AW: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <00c901c52914$93c20d20$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <42363D01.60609@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 112, in=251, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8ao0I.A.eUD.p-lNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Mhmmm...correct me if I'm wrong, but... > The buffers are used to compensate for dynamic changes in latency. >>Yes. Not only is there an average inherent latency, but it also changes slightly over time as the processor becomes burdened with other things besides responding to audio interrupts. This makes sense. When I first used mBox and ProTools LE, every time I went to my other band's house to record, ProTools would get constant buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. The source was simple. I run a wireless network at home for all our notebook computers. My friend doesn't have a wireless access point, so my wireless card was constantly searching for one...that was enough to distract it and make ProTools a lower priority....took me forever to figure that one out!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 14 23:17:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F4EKl14686; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:11:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Fraud warning:" Paypal acct. suspended" From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i luv gettin these-they are so easy to spot i feel smarter after dumpin em s > Oh yeah, like I'm going to click on that link--that'll be the next > sort of scam... > > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:41:11 -0800 (PST), Randy Leifer > wrote: >> Do not reply or give out your info! >> I'm sure most of you have an eye for these scams. >> >> link describing this scam: >> >> http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/report/107 >> >> >> =Randy= >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 03:15:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F8Ch224064; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1968e7f83a510e488ea9994866dfafa9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:11:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 15, 2005, at 1:51, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this > case, a > laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make > sure that > everything works correctly is worth an added expense? > This might also be a rhetorical question. Maybe. But the most important strategy to buy a good audio windows pc is to network with people that use the software you are planning to use. Find out what combination of audio hardware and computer model (sound card, cpu, drives) that is stable and buy a replica of that set-up. It's also important to know how to keep XP and your hard drives in good shape. The site Jesse Lucas recommended is a good read-up. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 03:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F8Pbb26005; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:25:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:25:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4e33ce6fc1b2b68e9102649710797db6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: How does the EDP handle memory shortage in "more loops"? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:24:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Does anyone know how the EDP handles memory shortage when used in "more loops" mode? I'm especially interested in knowing about what happens when all RAM is used up and LOOP4 starts to throw out the oldest layers. If I'm playing with the setting "more loops = 4", does the EDP divide its RAM into four unique segments where each memory segment thrown out the oldest layers are to make place for more? Or is this functionality global? What I'm aiming at, is if loop windowing is cross-loop? So, if I'm in loop 2 and trashing like crazy with loop windowing, can fragments originally layered into loop 1 suddenly pop up there, in loop 2? I guess I could find out by hands-on experimenting (and I probably will do, since I'm working very much with the EDP at the moment) but it would be cool to hear a more initiated explanation. I'm not particularly experienced in DSP or software programming myself. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 04:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F9AiD03012; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:10:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:10:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:09:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: laptop latency In-Reply-To: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ProTools would get constant >buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives much better latency than Pro-Tools. Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use. It's designed for live work. Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the dinosaurs. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 04:47:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2F9iQ007981; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:44:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5PxbcB.A.U4B.l5qNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a slightly ot q has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp from guitarstring to speaker ? and what about the old pneumatic churchorgans ? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-03-15 kl. 10.09 a k butler wrote: > From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives > much better latency than Pro-Tools. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 05:09:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FA7Lo13870; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:07:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:07:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:04:27 -0800 Subject: Re: laptop latency From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just a slightly ot q > has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp > from guitarstring to speaker ? > Gunnar Backman i've never heard none and if anyone tries and measure it... why i'll............................. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 05:59:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FAumW22546; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c5294d$7308bbe0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> <4e33ce6fc1b2b68e9102649710797db6@boysen.se> Subject: Re: How does the EDP handle memory shortage in "more loops"? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:54:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <5ZG8rC.A.pcF.L8rNCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi, > > Does anyone know how the EDP handles memory shortage when used in "more > loops" mode? I'm especially interested in knowing about what happens when > all RAM is used up and LOOP4 starts to throw out the oldest layers. > > If I'm playing with the setting "more loops = 4", does the EDP divide its > RAM into four unique segments where each memory segment thrown out the > oldest layers are to make place for more? Or is this functionality global? yes each loop has its own ram space ---undo > What I'm aiming at, is if loop windowing is cross-loop? So, if I'm in loop > 2 and trashing like crazy with loop windowing, can fragments originally > layered into loop 1 suddenly pop up there, in loop 2? I can happen but would be called a bug (lot of triggers, undos,and windowing ) pleasant when the RAM is full of something, upleasant when you just booted and you read an empty RAM space CRRRSHHHTTKKRR you can even attaign a disfunction of the EDP where the memory is read from A to Z when this happens you sit down and enjoy, you wont have that sort of buggy poetry in a vst plug never these are NOT every day bugs so dont use this post to pretend the EDP is buggy.... B-) Claude > I guess I could find out by hands-on experimenting (and I probably will > do, since I'm working very much with the EDP at the moment) but it would > be cool to hear a more initiated explanation. I'm not particularly > experienced in DSP or software programming myself. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 06:37:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FBYJh31551; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:34:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:34:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03fe01c52952$d67f9630$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Behringer Eurorack MX3242 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:33:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03FB_01C5295B.3830EB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03FB_01C5295B.3830EB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, =20 I'd like to know if ther's someone in this list have tested the = Behringer Eurorack MX3242. 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------=_NextPart_000_03FB_01C5295B.3830EB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 08:23:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FDJgQ21513; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c523e1$3ab80780$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 05:17:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jesse posted: "Yeah, that punk Rick Walker posts in lime green sometimes. Jerk." richard replied: "Well, yeah... It's only because I have such regard for Rick that I was willing to go through the extra effort to make those posts legible (I'd sometimes have to make a copy of his messages and then change the color and font size). To his credit, Rick responded to my request by toning down his color scheme. Now that it's all coming through in black Monaco, normal size I get fewer headaches." rick quipped back: Yeah, a jerk with a conscience........................(who still resents macs with limited color options for html posting.............isn't this the platform that rocks for graphics.................jeeeez!) lol! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 08:28:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FDPK422471; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B1B8BAF98@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C52961.C7FF26A2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52961.C7FF26A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lurker here: while I'm not building music software directly, I was the lead developer/architect for the first six years of the Chrysler Groups websites, then did the hosted e-commerce engine that sold music & videos and was licensed by JCPenney, MTV, and Kmart websites for a couple of years, and now am working at compuware on a developers tool called OptimalJ. Prior to getting into programming I made my living playing Bass for a long time. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com]On Behalf Of loop.pool Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:29 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers on this list I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves) who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music software there are at Loopers Delight. I can think of at least a half dozen. Do you folks feel like outing yourselves? It would be cool to know. I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity on design for a few companies but I'm not a realy developer. Who are the real folks? ps Richard Zvonar and others: can you read this posting (I know you don't like my dayglo green background but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if it's not irritating.) I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which is why I chose this color. The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52961.C7FF26A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lurker=20 here: while I'm not building music software directly, I was the lead=20 developer/architect for the first six years of the Chrysler Groups = websites,=20 then did the hosted e-commerce engine that sold music & videos and = was=20 licensed by JCPenney, MTV, and Kmart websites for a couple of years, = and now am=20 working at compuware on a developers tool called = OptimalJ.
 
Prior=20 to getting into programming I made my living playing Bass for a long = time.=20
 
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com=20 [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com]On Behalf Of=20 loop.pool
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:29 = PM
To:=20 LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)
Subject: MUSIC SOFTWARE designers = on this=20 list

   I wonder how many people who = work for=20 software companies (or themselves)
who are actually designing looping software, = plugins or=20 other music software there are
at Loopers Delight.
I can think of at least a half = dozen.
 
Do you folks feel like outing = yourselves?   It=20 would be cool to know.
 
I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have = an=20 advisory capacity on design for a few companies but
I'm not a realy developer.  Who are the = real=20 folks?
 
 
 
ps  Richard Zvonar and = others:   =20 can you read this posting (I know you don't like my dayglo green=20 background
but I hate the normal=20 e-mail.......................color, man, if it's not = irritating.)
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52961.C7FF26A2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 09:02:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FDxH230199; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:59:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:59:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:57:47 -0700 Message-ID: <00e601c52966$f8454760$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 112, in=253, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks very sophisticated, and at first glance I like it. http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Why would you conside ProTools a dinosaur? Granted, Digidesign has been around for some time...remember the Session 8? But new versions of PT come out frequently. The main reason why I use ProTools is because of mBox. I really like being able to plug into high quality, balanced XLR inputs (Focusrite mic preamps) rather than a 1/8 inch mini jack and soundcard. In fact, I'd rather avoid going to my soundcard all together. Do you know what hardward (USB, firewire, etc) interfaces will work with Plogue? mBox specs: http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox/systems/mboxspecs.cfm Kris -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: laptop latency >ProTools would get constant >buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives much better latency than Pro-Tools. Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use. It's designed for live work. Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the dinosaurs. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 09:31:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FES8G04954; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:28:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:28:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4236F098.9040408@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:26:32 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: laptop latency References: <00e601c52966$f8454760$6801a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <00e601c52966$f8454760$6801a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plogue Bidule will work with any audio device that your OS recognizes. I use a UA1000 USB2.0 interface with it sometimes, and it works great. A really powerful VST host, with a lot of flexibility. Great MIDI implementation too. Doug Kris Hartung wrote: >It looks very sophisticated, and at first glance I like it. >http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 > >Why would you conside ProTools a dinosaur? Granted, Digidesign has been >around for some time...remember the Session 8? But new versions of PT >come out frequently. > >The main reason why I use ProTools is because of mBox. I really like >being able to plug into high quality, balanced XLR inputs (Focusrite mic >preamps) rather than a 1/8 inch mini jack and soundcard. In fact, I'd >rather avoid going to my soundcard all together. Do you know what >hardward (USB, firewire, etc) interfaces will work with Plogue? > >mBox specs: >http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox/systems/mboxspecs.cfm > >Kris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] >Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: laptop latency > > > > > >>ProTools would get constant >>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. >> >> > > From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives >much better latency than Pro-Tools. > >Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use. >It's designed for live work. > > >Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the >dinosaurs. > >andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 09:40:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FEbvO08633; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:37:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:37:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <004b01c5294d$7308bbe0$0400000a@mini> References: <20050315005107.GRFV19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> <4e33ce6fc1b2b68e9102649710797db6@boysen.se> <004b01c5294d$7308bbe0$0400000a@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <15f97b97acfb5884b2fe76ea88a7850d@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: How does the EDP handle memory shortage in "more loops"? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:37:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> If I'm playing with the setting "more loops = 4", does the EDP divide >> its RAM into four unique segments where each memory segment thrown >> out the oldest layers are to make place for more? Or is this >> functionality global? > On Mar 15, 2005, at 11:54, Claude Voit wrote: > yes each loop has its own ram space ---undo > >> What I'm aiming at, is if loop windowing is cross-loop? So, if I'm in >> loop 2 and trashing like crazy with loop windowing, can fragments >> originally layered into loop 1 suddenly pop up there, in loop 2? > > I can happen but would be called a bug (lot of triggers, undos,and > windowing ) > pleasant when the RAM is full of something, upleasant when you just > booted and you read an empty RAM space CRRRSHHHTTKKRR > you can even attaign a disfunction of the EDP where the memory is read > from A to Z when this happens you sit down and enjoy, you wont have > that sort of buggy poetry in a vst plug never > > these are NOT every day bugs so dont use this post to pretend the EDP > is buggy.... Thanks, Claude. I'm very fond of these EDP bugs. They make lots of musical sense ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 10:06:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FF31914721; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:03:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:03:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 63641c2daf3a621178b2649cf032cb59 Received-SPF: none (talara.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.136 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.136; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:44:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: laptop latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Just a slightly ot q >has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp >from guitarstring to speaker ? probably very low, its hard to create delay with analog electronics >and what about the old pneumatic churchorgans ? most organists prefer the even older mechanical ones, due to this and churches have a slow accoustic and therefore slow music anyway... (some may call it ambient ;-) but distance speakers-ear is a heavy latency! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 11:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FFtVd25768; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:55:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:55:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--549086828 Message-Id: <44c28c5f4d0287440751c0d65ffa73f7@telia.com> From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:54:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--549086828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I've heard old church organs played with long fast 16 , 32 notes runs and when hitting the last note the first is heard. for instance Julius Reubke: The 94th Psalm - Sonata for Organ heavy latency , great playing Gunnar Backman 2005-03-15 kl. 15.44 Matthias Grob wrote: > most organists prefer the even older mechanical ones, due to this > and churches have a slow accoustic and therefore slow music anyway... > (some may call it ambient ;-) > --Apple-Mail-1--549086828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I've heard old church organs played with long fast 16 , 32 notes runs and when hitting the last note the first is heard. for instance Verdana Julius Reubke: The 94th Psalm - Sonata for Organ heavy latency , great playing Gunnar Backman 2005-03-15 kl. 15.44 Matthias Grob wrote: most organists prefer the even older mechanical ones, due to this and churches have a slow accoustic and therefore slow music anyway... (some may call it ambient ;-) --Apple-Mail-1--549086828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 12:02:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FGx7107910; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:59:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:59:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:56:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Just a slightly ot q >> has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp >> from guitarstring to speaker ? On Mar 15, 2005, at 15:44, Matthias Grob wrote: > probably very low, its hard to create delay with analog electronics Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact. When touring, as an electric guitar player, I have always hated those stages where I have to stand too far from my amp and speaker. Never measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it. And when you know that all gear is closely mic'ed overe the PA you can't adjust your playing to what you hear on stage because the audience will hear all musicians with no latency. If it wasn't for the PA system it's easy to adapt to latency. Some symphonic musicians are very good at that, as you can hear. Thinking about those horns that reflect at the ceiling before heard by the audience. They have to play a little "early" to give the listeners the best musical experience. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 13:07:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FI3iL20995; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:03:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:03:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 3c3ea7803fd1932b844bddb84bb3ff45 Received-SPF: none (talara.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.136 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.136; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:48:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: laptop latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Just a slightly ot q >>>has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp >>>from guitarstring to speaker ? > >On Mar 15, 2005, at 15:44, Matthias Grob wrote: >>probably very low, its hard to create delay with analog electronics > >Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor >based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact. so the tube amp freaks actually like latency? do you know what time range this is in? arent you talking about a modification in the attack rather? filters delay some part of the frequency range, usually bass, but since we perceive the attack from the treble rather, this is not perceived like latency. >When touring, as an electric guitar player, I have always hated >those stages where I have to stand too far from my amp and speaker. >Never measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it. no need to measure, sound travels at 330m/s which gives you 3ms/m, easily worse than the computer... >And when you know that all gear is closely mic'ed overe the PA you >can't adjust your playing to what you hear on stage because the >audience will hear all musicians with no latency. If it wasn't for >the PA system it's easy to adapt to latency. Some symphonic >musicians are very good at that, as you can hear. Thinking about >those horns that reflect at the ceiling before heard by the >audience. They have to play a little "early" to give the listeners >the best musical experience. this is also due to slow development of the vibration in the horn, right? different from latency. I am writing an article to collect all those facts... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 14:08:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FJ2Vf00656; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:02:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:02:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:01:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 15, 2005, at 18:48, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >> Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor >> based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact. > > so the tube amp freaks actually like latency? No, but that latency is so small that you only find a problem with it if you are used to play very close to a transistor amp rig. > do you know what time range this is in? No. But very, very short. I have no problem with it. I actually like tube amps. >> I never measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it. > > no need to measure, sound travels at 330m/s which gives you 3ms/m, > easily worse than the computer... So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to compare with, when computer latency ;-) > > this is also due to slow development of the vibration in the horn, > right? > different from latency. Could be, but that was not my point. I was talking about the fact that a live gig is PA distributed to the audience with close microphone placement to pick up all instruments on stage. This makes all instruments sound synced in the PA. Now, as a musician you easily adapt to play with "latency" if you have to stand ten meters away from your instrument amp. But if you play "a little early" to compensate for hearing your amp through "air latency" the audience will hear it as if you ware constantly playing "a little late". That's the annoying live problem. A good fix for this, if you are with a band, is to use your own backline for monitoring. The Swedish metal band Meshuggah has developed a very cute system of POD pro boxes and every player is standing close to his monitor. By this set-up they can be assured that the audience will hear it as tight as they deliver. > I am writing an article to collect all those facts... Interesting! Will you publish it here? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 14:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FJNsV06279; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:23:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:23:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c52994$50eaa220$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1968e7f83a510e488ea9994866dfafa9@boysen.se> Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:21:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this case, >> a >> laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure >> that >> everything works correctly is worth an added expense? >> This might also be a rhetorical question. > > Maybe. But the most important strategy to buy a good audio windows pc is > to network with people that use the software you are planning to use. Find > out what combination of audio hardware and computer model (sound card, > cpu, drives) that is stable and buy a replica of that set-up. I'd recommed the yahoo group PCDAW for anybody interested in building their own, or just in general DAW info. The discussions are usually about using PCs for recording, but a lot of the same issues (latency, compatibility, stability, etc) pop up. It's pretty much PC centric, but occasionally there are Mac questions. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCDAW/ Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 14:28:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FJOjG06481; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:24:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:24:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:23:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 15, 2005, at 20:01, Per Boysen wrote: > But if you play "a little early" to compensate for hearing your amp > through "air latency" the audience will hear it as if you ware > constantly playing "a little late". Sorry. The other way around, that should be. I must have been thinking with the wrong side of my brain ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 14:28:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FJOqH06492; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:24:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:24:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6db50a5fe6b0f8e36604d1cb89153ed1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:08:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how music would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to manufacture "underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones? Have someone here experienced this? Sound travels faster under water. How should you mix for underwater performance? Are different frequencies affected differently by the water molecules? I was once in a team playing underwater polo and it would have been much more fun with music in the pool. "Scuba Disco" would suit me better, since I miss out completely on normal human competition instinct ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 15:04:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FK1R915575; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050315134854.096d60e8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:58:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) In-Reply-To: <6db50a5fe6b0f8e36604d1cb89153ed1@boysen.se> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <6db50a5fe6b0f8e36604d1cb89153ed1@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:08 PM 3/15/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how music >would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to manufacture >"underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones? Have someone here experienced >this? Sound travels faster under water. How should you mix for underwater >performance? Are different frequencies affected differently by the water >molecules? Actually, if I remember my (very) basic college classes in acoustic physics, sound travels more slowly in water than air. I think this is due to the density of the medium that the sound wave is travelling through. There's less dispersion, however, because the medium is more coherent. What you're probably thinking of is the fact that sound can travel greater distances through a denser medium (if you put enough energy into getting a wave moving in the first place, it takes more to eventually stop it). And that does carry over into your comment about how different frequencies are affected by water molecules. Since lower frequencies typically contain/require more energy in the first place, they have a tendency to stay more coherent over a longer distance. That's one reason why the Navy can use ELF (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate with submarines over distances of many, many miles. If I were mixing an underwater performance, I think it would be difficult to maintain a decent amount of top end to the mix. The bass, however, should really kick... --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:03:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FL0Fw28991; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:00:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:00:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:00:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050315134854.096d60e8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Actually, if I remember my (very) basic college classes in acoustic >physics, sound travels more slowly in water than air. I think this is due >to the density of the medium that the sound wave is travelling >through. There's less dispersion, however, because the medium is more >coherent. If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe this is the case. Sound does travel faster in water, a fact you can even notice when a thunderstorm starts while you're in the ocean (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME !!!) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FL2im29408; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:02:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050315202649.03096cb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:00:49 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: laptop latency In-Reply-To: <200503151908.j2FJ8pr02498@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503151908.j2FJ8pr02498@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It looks very sophisticated, and at first glance I like it. >http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 > >Why would you conside ProTools a dinosaur? Granted, Digidesign has been >around for some time...remember the Session 8? But new versions of PT >come out frequently. Only because it's big and slow. (not a problem for what it's designed for) I tried the Pro Tools Free last year, and noticed the higher latency. The thing I really didn't like was not being able to work with stereo files. >The main reason why I use ProTools is because of mBox. I really like >being able to plug into high quality, balanced XLR inputs > (Focusrite mic >preamps) oh..................nice those are very good > rather than a 1/8 inch mini jack and soundcard. In fact, I'd >rather avoid going to my soundcard all together. Do you know what >hardward (USB, firewire, etc) interfaces will work with Plogue? All the sound and midi interfaces on the pc are available to be dropped onto the Plogue workspace. >mBox specs: >http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox/systems/mboxspecs.cfm > >Kris Unless for some reason MBox is only usable from Pro Tools it should work with Plogue andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:10:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FL5V430053; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:05:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:05:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "JP Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: software loopers Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:45:05 -0700 Message-Id: <20050315204012.M37491@stickist.com> In-Reply-To: <200503151908.j2FJ8pA02500@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503151908.j2FJ8pA02500@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.20 20031018 X-OriginatingIP: 142.59.143.60 (swirlee) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the subject, You may be interested in FreeWheeling, a software looper I've been working on over the last few years. It's really a multilooper- lets you grab loops and put them on MIDI keys, or other controllers. Built around live use. Current version for Linux- runs on PC and Mac Linux with latency down to 32 samples. For the Windows/MacOS folks, take a look at the demo audio & videos: http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net Let's not forget the robust world of Linux audio when we look at the available tools. Regards, JP Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:10:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FL7ox30703; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:07:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--530379884 Message-Id: From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:06:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--530379884 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed 2005-03-15 kl. 20.01 Per Boysen wrote: > So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to=20 > compare with, when computer latency ;-) > You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal=20 processing (am I getting you right .) http://www.appleclub.com.hk/macosx/features/audio/ says 1 ms for " The Core Audio HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) provides ultra low=20 latency communication between applications and I/O devices that is=20 measurably more efficient than previous solutions. M-Audio reports=20 latency as low as 40 samples on Mac OS X from the company=92s audio=20 interfaces. That translates into 1ms throughput latency =97 and you get=20= this performance in a full multi-channel environment." Just bragging ? I'm using an old Audiomedia III Soundcard , I think it has at least 25=20= ms latency or somewhere around that. and i'm not having any problems playing the Guitar Rig through that. Gunnar Backman= --Apple-Mail-1--530379884 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 2005-03-15 kl. 20.01 Per Boysen wrote: So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to compare with, when computer latency ;-) You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal processing (am I getting you right .) http://www.appleclub.com.hk/macosx/features/audio/ says 1 ms=20 for "=20 Lucida Grande The Core Audio HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) provides ultra low latency communication between applications and I/O devices that is measurably more efficient than previous solutions. 0000,0000,EEEEM-Audio reports latency as low as 40 samples on Mac OS X from the company=92s audio interfaces. That translates into 1ms throughput latency =97 and you get this performance in a full multi-channel environment." Just bragging ? I'm using an old Audiomedia III Soundcard , I think it has at least 25 ms latency or somewhere around that. and i'm not having any problems playing the Guitar Rig through that.=20 Gunnar Backman= --Apple-Mail-1--530379884-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:15:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FLCRR31806; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:12:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:12:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:11:26 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) References: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ded69766e0a20ca7d5db9ddbc80ab029350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually > would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values > and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we > would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe > this is the case. In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag line to the film "Alien." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:19:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FLGUr32485; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:16:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Very OT: Repairing TC PSU / SPSs in general Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:17:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c529a4$5e16b910$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, sorry for this extremelyofftopicpost but... My Finalizer just died. From my basic understanding of EE, it's the power supply. This is obviously a switching power supply which delievers too low a voltage at its output (inside of the Finalizer) and sometimes makes a high-pitched whining sound (non-modulated). Anyone has experience with TC power supplies or which such devices in general and could point me in the right direction. Capacitance? Inductance? Replies off-list please! Thanks for your patience, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FLOFc01764; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OUVl/59ijjernhPRQw5gk/6yxHmREQoVZGhRZRPmdU0a3ivQ/gXZIYImW6dsxgsxSAXw9+dtrMaSMy8RFQjNXG4V2soaN3yk5pOFQrUyrePmpI89M87roew3Og8uT8yR1L/D4/B6v3Fn1pTam5N+/MmabeNulPRtylbHjbdTXag= ; Message-ID: <20050315212334.25557.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And to keep this thread on topic: when looping underwater in the southern hemisphere one must bear in mind the Coriolis Effect, particularly if your rig includes a Vortex. It can also require a different wet/dry mix than most of us are used to... :P -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 16:53:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FLo3E08139; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:50:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:50:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:17:06 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) References: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> In-Reply-To: <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at different speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by the density and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of material in a given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted could a substance become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air. The speed of sound can also be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to travel faster at higher temperatures. I have found different values for the speed of sound in water in different sources. They range from 1450 to 1498 meters per second (m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea water at room temperatures (20 to 25 °C). The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation... /v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2 Where... /v/ is the speed of sound, /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and ρ (rho) is the density. The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is the relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how much an increase in pressure would decrease the volume. Nicky Du -- 2000 Jesse Lucas wrote: > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually >> would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values >> and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we >> would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe >> this is the case. > > > In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag > line to the film "Alien." > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:22:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMIQM13784; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:18:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:18:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:17:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1_0C1C.A.9VD.271NCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 2005-03-15 kl. 20.01 Per Boysen wrote: > >> So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to >> compare with, when computer latency ;-) On Mar 15, 2005, at 22:06, Gunnar Backman wrote: > You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal > processing (am I getting you right .) Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all three types of latency: 1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion) 2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data) 3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to drive speakers etc, DA conversion) I'm just estimating on the fly, based on figures I have got from other people that have measured DAW latency. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:27:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMNkn14519; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:23:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:23:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42376054.4050200@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:23:16 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: 4-D loopers (used to be Underwater theories...) References: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ea86a6c260a87b6c8fca85936d20009d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright, since we're on a science mindfuck trip here on LD... Here's something I've pondered: Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension. How would a four-dimensional being perceive music? By "four-dimensional being" I mean an intelligence which can move back and forth through time as well as space as naturally as humans move through three-dimensional space. Also, imagine they could "see" time in the same foreshortening way we little humans perceive three-dimensional space. Humans perceive time in a relatively linear way. Your sense of time might slow down when you are hyped up on adrenaline, or change based on your blood sugar, or the ambient temperature, but you're always trudging forward through time. So, if you could *see* time and walk around it like you walk around a statue in a museum, what music would be cool to *look* at. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:29:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMRJp15184; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:27:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050315212334.25557.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050315212334.25557.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9c00e484b2652afef2843cef4731ae0d@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:26:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 15, 2005, at 22:23, Tim Nelson wrote: > And to keep this thread on topic: when looping > underwater in the southern hemisphere one must bear in > mind the Coriolis Effect, particularly if your rig > includes a Vortex. > > > > It can also require a different wet/dry mix than most > of us are used to... :P > > -t- You know how to put a joke! My neighbors must be wondering what keeps me laughing this much at midnight!!!! ;-D) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:34:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMW1P16040; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:32:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42376054.4050200@neoprimitive.net> References: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> <42376054.4050200@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <716e4602e50bd2917f499a332930fc8b@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: 4-D loopers (used to be Underwater theories...) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:31:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 15, 2005, at 23:23, Jesse Lucas wrote: > So, if you could *see* time and walk around it like you walk around a > statue in a museum, what music would be cool to *look* at. I guess any time-less hit that has been remixed with a healthy amount of negative latency. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:37:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMYtA16722; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:34:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:34:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--525166717 Message-Id: <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> From: Gunnar Backman Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:33:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--525166717 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote: >> You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal >> processing (am I getting you right .) > > Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all > three types of latency: > 1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion) > 2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data) > 3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to > drive speakers etc, DA conversion) > Ok sounds reasonable enough . another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88 line 6 pod etc. anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ??? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com --Apple-Mail-2--525166717 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII 2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote: You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal processing (am I getting you right .) Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all three types of latency: 1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion) 2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data) 3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to drive speakers etc, DA conversion) Ok sounds reasonable enough . another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88 line 6 pod etc. anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ??? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com --Apple-Mail-2--525166717-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:46:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMhqw18281; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:43:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1110926560.423764e01adc0@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:42:40 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: and 4-D meanderings Re: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) References: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.89.160.22 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which just goes to show how much water's lack of compressibility get's made up for by density in ending up four times faster.. looping in four-D would see repeated patterns moving outward or along, a ripple within a ripple. Some of MEdia Players moving energy pattern visualizations are pseudo 4-D. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting Doug Cox : > This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml > > Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to > propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at > different speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by > the density and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of > material in a given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted > could a substance become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower > the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, > the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air. The > speed of sound can also be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to > travel faster at higher temperatures. I have found different values for > the speed of sound in water in different sources. They range from 1450 > to 1498 meters per second (m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea > water at room temperatures (20 to 25 °C). > > The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation... > > /v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2 > > Where... > > /v/ is the speed of sound, > /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and > ρ (rho) is the density. > > The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is > the relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how > much an increase in pressure would decrease the volume. > > Nicky Du -- 2000 > > > > Jesse Lucas wrote: > > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > >> If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually > >> would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values > >> and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we > >> would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe > >> this is the case. > > > > > > In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag > > line to the film "Alien." > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:48:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMj9D18420; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:45:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:44:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c529b0$93e94b50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2FMhOx18158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The way sound travels in different phases (solid, liquid, gaseous) is actually rather different on a half-macroscopic scale (i.e. while the laws how atoms and subatomic particles interact are believed to be the same and the equations for speed of sound calculated from density and compressibility (or rather its different definitions) look the same, the process or how it is explaind differs on the scale "in between". If you look at the equations on a macroscopic scale, they all look like c = SQRT(K/rho) with K a constant (actually a 2nd order tensor, a modulus). In the case of gases, K= chi*p with chi the isentropic exponent (a constant) and p the pressure. Substituting with the definition of the density in gases, rho = p/RT (R the Reynolds number, T the Kelvin temperature), we get c=SQRT(chi*R*T), and voilĦ - the speed of sound in air is independent from the pressure. The pitfall? This equation is only valid up to a certain amount for the avg. free length of path (don't remember how this was defined - I came from the condensed matter area). Thinking about it, I don't see the logical explanation that sound travels faster in water than in air. There are different mechanisms involved. And if we'd breathe argon and bathe in quicksilver, things would be different ;). Elasticity is not the same as compressibility. The short explanation: elasticity describes changes if you apply force in one direction (like pulling on a string), while compressibility is if you push from all sides simultaneously. Rainer -----Ursprĵngliche Nachricht----- Von: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. M¤rz 2005 22:17 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at different speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by the density and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of material in a given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted could a substance become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air. The speed of sound can also be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to travel faster at higher temperatures. I have found different values for the speed of sound in water in different sources. They range from 1450 to 1498 meters per second (m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea water at room temperatures (20 to 25 °C). The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation... /v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2 Where... /v/ is the speed of sound, /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and ρ (rho) is the density. The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is the relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how much an increase in pressure would decrease the volume. Nicky Du -- 2000 Jesse Lucas wrote: > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we >> usually would test any theories we might have by bringing them to >> extreme values and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed >> of sound, then we would have sound travelling at infinite speed in >> vacuum. I don't believe this is the case. > > > In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag > line to the film "Alien." > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:49:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMkhN18913; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:46:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:46:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 4-D loopers (used to be Underwater theories...) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:47:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c529b0$ed4ac390$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <42376054.4050200@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2FMjrx18686 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping music would look like a long road with a series of nearly identical houses ;) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2005 23:23 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: OT: 4-D loopers (used to be Underwater theories...) Alright, since we're on a science mindfuck trip here on LD... Here's something I've pondered: Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension. How would a four-dimensional being perceive music? By "four-dimensional being" I mean an intelligence which can move back and forth through time as well as space as naturally as humans move through three-dimensional space. Also, imagine they could "see" time in the same foreshortening way we little humans perceive three-dimensional space. Humans perceive time in a relatively linear way. Your sense of time might slow down when you are hyped up on adrenaline, or change based on your blood sugar, or the ambient temperature, but you're always trudging forward through time. So, if you could *see* time and walk around it like you walk around a statue in a museum, what music would be cool to *look* at. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:49:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMlGE18965; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:47:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:47:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: laptop latency Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:47:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c529b1$0098a0c0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2FMkQx18773 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frippertronics does not depend on software and AD/DA -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Gunnar Backman [mailto:brakophonic@telia.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2005 23:34 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: laptop latency 2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote: You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal processing (am I getting you right .) Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all three types of latency: 1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion) 2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data) 3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to drive speakers etc, DA conversion) Ok sounds reasonable enough . another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88 line 6 pod etc. anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ??? Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 17:51:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMnG019658; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:49:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:49:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050315164045.09edef18@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:46:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) In-Reply-To: <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> References: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2FMmEx19233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Doug. Sounds as if I'm misremembering some of my class notes. I'll go through and work some sample equations to confirm. However, there's one quoted passage that just reads wrong to me: "The denser and the lower the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air." Does that read weird to anybody else (like he's contradicting himself), or is it just me...? --m. At 03:17 PM 3/15/2005, Doug Cox wrote: >This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml > >Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to >propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at different >speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by the density >and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of material in a >given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted could a substance >become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower the compressibility, >the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, the speed of sound is >about four times faster in water than in air. The speed of sound can also >be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to travel faster at higher >temperatures. I have found different values for the speed of sound in >water in different sources. They range from 1450 to 1498 meters per second >(m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea water at room temperatures >(20 to 25 °C). > >The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation... > >/v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2 > >Where... > > /v/ is the speed of sound, > /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and > ρ (rho) is the density. > >The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is the >relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how much an >increase in pressure would decrease the volume. > >Nicky Du -- 2000 > > > >Jesse Lucas wrote: > >>Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> >>>If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually >>>would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values >>>and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we >>>would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe >>>this is the case. >> >> >>In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag line >>to the film "Alien." >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 18:38:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FNZpa30457; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:35:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:35:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8c33f3d0832dc1c664fa977fb87490da@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:34:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 15, 2005, at 23:33, Gunnar Backman wrote: > > 2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote: > >>> You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal >>> processing (am I getting you right .) >> >> Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all >> three types of latency: >> 1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion) >> 2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data) >> 3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to >> drive speakers etc, DA conversion) >> > Ok sounds reasonable enough . > another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware > loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my > knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88 > line 6 pod etc. > anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ??? If my memory serves me well, Kim once said the EDP has or 4 ms. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 19:08:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G06Ha04643; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:06:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42377875.1060307@neoprimitive.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:06:13 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop latency References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> <8c33f3d0832dc1c664fa977fb87490da@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <8c33f3d0832dc1c664fa977fb87490da@boysen.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7952bfaa5f8959000e27c890b478124d3e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: > If my memory serves me well, Kim once said the EDP has or 4 ms. Hmm...I don't know about any A/D->D/A conversion latency, but the control latency is about 1.5ms according to Kim. The length of time it takes to run through the software loop checking for input. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 19:18:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G0FoD06459; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:15:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:22:07 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Gear for sale To: Message-id: <000c01c529be$32eac960$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <22D646B8-94FE-11D9-BFB1-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David - It's interesting to see your items of gear. I have a similar list. Not that it's my business, but are you packing it in on the effects front, or...? > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] > >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:59 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Gear for sale > >> > >> > >> About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a > >> pre-sale offer to the list: > >> > >> TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee > >> card: $350 > >> Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225 > >> Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200 > >> Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185 > >> Boss GT-5: $275 > >> > >> All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc.... > >> Paypal preferred > >> Thanks! > >> dc > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 19:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G0XG010058; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,166,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="762998498:sNHT12796792" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000c01c529be$32eac960$0affff0a@hppav> References: <22D646B8-94FE-11D9-BFB1-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> <000c01c529be$32eac960$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Gear for sale Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:32:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <05eci.A.kXC.r63NCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hardly...just tripping over gear and needing some cash. Keeping my 2nd AM8000, btw (it's patched directly into the EDP's out, after a little Alesis Ampliton panner), and hoping to hang onto my Eclipse and KSP8 for a bit longer! Frankly, Reaktor is such a trip as an FX processor that it's my main squeeze for mayhem these days, and I'm currently playing more acoustic guitar and soft-synths than electric and VG-8, anyhoo; the circle goes round and round....Thanks fer askin! dc On Mar 15, 2005, at 4:22 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > David - > > It's interesting to see your items of gear. I have a similar list. > Not > that it's my business, but are you packing it in on the effects front, > or...? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 22:53:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G3kFw12265; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 6406c139ffe2a559f42f6b7c6eb56843 Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.135; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050315164045.09edef18@gemini.lunarpages.com> References: <000001c529a2$06a40360$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <42374F7E.4060301@neoprimitive.net> <423750D2.3060302@pdq.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050315164045.09edef18@gemini.lunarpages.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:44:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: AW: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks Doug. Sounds as if I'm misremembering some of my class notes. > >I'll go through and work some sample equations to confirm. However, >there's one quoted passage that just reads wrong to me: "The denser >and the lower the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would >travel. Therefore, the speed of sound is about four times faster in >water than in air." > >Does that read weird to anybody else (like he's contradicting >himself), or is it just me...? > I felt the same when I read it: water is denser and less compressible than air, but 4 times faster as google confirmed... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 22:53:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G3klt12311; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 63d3d16ac1532a4d266a699091e342a2 Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.135; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050315134854.096d60e8@gemini.lunarpages.com> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <6db50a5fe6b0f8e36604d1cb89153ed1@boysen.se> <6.2.1.2.2.20050315134854.096d60e8@gemini.lunarpages.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:43:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 01:08 PM 3/15/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >>Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how >>music would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to >>manufacture "underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones? In my home town, they have underwater music in the public swimming pool. >>Have someone here experienced this? Sound travels faster under >>water. How should you mix for underwater performance? Are different >>frequencies affected differently by the water molecules? I remember it sounds amazingly linear and dry >...Since lower frequencies typically contain/require more energy in >the first place, they have a tendency to stay more coherent over a >longer distance. That's one reason why the Navy can use ELF >(extremely long frequency) waves to communicate with submarines over >distances of many, many miles. and why create those huge whales such a high pitch sound to call? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 22:54:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G3kGH12269; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 467a0c8dbdf39d158b2a2164db6ed912 Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.135; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:55:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: laptop latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware >loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my >knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88 >line 6 pod etc. >anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ??? >Gunnar Backman >Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics >E-mail brakophonic@telia.com >http://www.brakophonic.com I only know about the EDP but most processors work similar: the converter has buffers of 16 samples and the processor treats (like any DSP) sample by sample, so it only adds about 2 samples, maybe some more in other machines due to filter calculations. 44 samples would be 1ms... This is for the loop path, the dry path is analog. thats why you did not hear the word latency before the computers came... I doubt Kim ever said 4ms but 1.5ms command cycle is correct. Usually it takes less than a cycle to react to a command, in the worst case a little more. And it takes about another cycle to send out a MIDI command. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 22:54:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G3ks212325; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 75f8f2a19eb93e6e0f51c6a0df6fad28 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:24:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Latency: facts, problems, solutions... 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I wrote this a while ago and did not quite finish it, but before I type it all again in separate mails, enjoy the package:


There are all kinds of delays that happen with sound and different effects on players and listeners:
- sound travels in air at 330meters/second, so there is a delay from the instrument to the ear or in case of electric music from the instrument to the microphone and from the speaker to the ear. the violin player hears his instrument with less than a millisecond (ms) latency, but the percussion player at the other side arrives up to 30ms late.
At an ordinary distance of 3m from a monitor the electric musician gets 10ms. These problems are old and mostly solved, but they are important as a reference to the newer ones.
- analog electronics can create some delays for some frequencies in filters, but since the first signal that comes through forms the attack, it is heard immediately.
- DSP machines treat sound by the sample, so the only latency happens in their AD/DA converters, usually less than 1ms.
- Computers treat sound in packages, so they have buffers at their inputs and outputs to write to and read from, while a complete package is in the processor. This delay is usually meant when we speak of latency.
It depends on how much we ask from the computer, because a shorter delay means smaller packages so the processor has to treat more of them so it stands less processing on each - you can use less channels or plugins.
A usual setting of 128 samples at input and output results in
2*128/44100 = 5,8 ms
- digital communication also happens in packages and may create a audible delay, depending on protocol. FW interfaces are very good at that, USB depends on mostly on the driver, but built in audio ports are often not sufficient (up to 250ms).
- even analog machines may take a while to analyse the sound before they know how to treat it, so the effect is late - which does not necessarily mean that the sound itself is delayed. Examples are Guitar2MIDI, pitch shifters, compressors (pumping or preview delay).

Now, what is the problem for whom:
- For the listener in a big festival its strange to see the musician strike and hear the bang later. this could be fixed by putting speakers in the back, but (due to next point) usually those back speakers are delayed just as the sound travel would be, so we don't fix this problem at all and nobody complains.
- Critical ears hear ugly filter effects if two different delays of the same signal are mixed. This happens when:
 -- the listener of a mono signal over a stereo system does not sit exactly in the center. Worse if the listener or the speaker move.
 -- the tech runs a signal into one mixer channel and parallel through a processor into another channel and mixes them at similar volume
 -- two microphones pick up the same sound source at similar volume and direction but different or even changing distances
- For musicians its hardly possible to play together sitting on opposite ends of a concert hall or playing over internet. it only works if they create very slow or very disorganized music or adapt the rhythm to the delay and play with it.
- For musicians using machines its complex and personal.
It can become hard to operate the equipment if there is a delay between switch press and its effect on the sound. This is not related to the latency of the audio tracks, but usually due to MIDI speed or computer drivers. A program change command delayed by 100ms is hardly a problem, but for a note trigger the same rules apply as for the audio latency - which is what the rest of this article is about:

Since the delay exists anyway in the air, the brain does have a mechanism to work with it, and we can improve it with training. So the answer to someone who says that he cannot play with a machines latency can be: "learn it".
If the musician is used to the latency of the monitor distance and then changes to a recent computer with headphones, he should not have a problem since its in the same range.
If he goes on with the same monitor, he can deal with it by getting used if the latency is not too big.

How much is too much?
Up to 3 ms should never be a problem because we are used to it. Above, it depends:
If the sound has slow attack, even 100ms is no problem.
Slow spheric music is much less critical than quick complex rhythms.
A constant delay is less annoying than a changing one (in guitar2MIDI it depends on sound and note)
When a direct and a delayed sound is mixed, the effect can be beautiful or annoying. Its certainly easier for the musician to play because he hears his playing immediately. If the second sound is similar and only a few ms delayed, it creates a filter, usually ugly. If the second sound is delayed by 10...50ms, it seems ritcher. Above, it turns into a echo and then into a rhythmic element which has to fit into the composition.

As long as the computer is only used for recording or loops or reverb, its latency can be compensated completely - which has to be done carefully.

Easily we get twice the computers latency because of inserting an (analog) effect box into the signal chain. This turns the switch to the computer especially hard for the musician:
To use a preamplifiers before the computer and effects between the computer and the speaker does not add delay, but a CryBaby after the distortion plugin does, because this requires another conversion into analog, and back again to digital. So the musician has to move all equipment at once into the computer. (I did not manage so far, but I keep working on it! :-)
-- 


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 15 22:56:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G3lQK12382; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 5b1860477a4fb8cd7adaf028636c14ad Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.135; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[192.168.123.151]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:38:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: laptop latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Mar 15, 2005, at 18:48, Matthias Grob wrote: >>> >>>Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor >>>based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact. >> >>so the tube amp freaks actually like latency? > >No, but that latency is so small that you only find a problem with >it if you are used to play very close to a transistor amp rig. so that would be a reason to use transistor amps? never heard... well, I did hear guitar players talking about the time the electrons take to fly throug the tube, but thats very romantic engineering... if there is an aditional delay, its in the final transformer, I suppose, so you would have the same in old transistor amps... >>do you know what time range this is in? > >No. But very, very short. I have no problem with it. I actually like >tube amps. see, thats what I said: very very short, not an issue :-) another tube anectote... a mistery... they have cold SMD tubes to build into the guitars now... and still the sound becomes warm... LOL! >>>I never measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it. >> >>no need to measure, sound travels at 330m/s which gives you 3ms/m, >>easily worse than the computer... > >So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to >compare with, when computer latency ;-) > >>this is also due to slow development of the vibration in the horn, right? >>different from latency. > >Could be, but that was not my point. I was talking about the fact >that a live gig is PA distributed to the audience with close >microphone placement to pick up all instruments on stage. This makes >all instruments sound synced in the PA. Now, as a musician you >easily adapt to play with "latency" if you have to stand ten meters >away from your instrument amp. But if you play "a little early" to >compensate for hearing your amp through "air latency" the audience >will hear it as if you ware constantly playing "a little late". >That's the annoying live problem. that problem would be very simple to fix with little delays at the mixing desk. did you really experience it? >A good fix for this, if you are with a band, is to use your own >backline for monitoring. The Swedish metal band Meshuggah has >developed a very cute system of POD pro boxes and every player is >standing close to his monitor. By this set-up they can be assured >that the audience will hear it as tight as they deliver. so they have the complete mix in their monitors? they hear the drum hit out of the monitor before it comes through the air from the drummer? amazing... In ear monitoring seems to be the most acurate. I use ordinary big headphones on stage with Giba. And when we go off we take them off :-) >>I am writing an article to collect all those facts... > >Interesting! Will you publish it here? I just did :-) >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >--- -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 02:40:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G7aFf23383; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:36:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:36:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> <09a6f86190ddaf9cea2f70063af1d1ee@telia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3b61d7a58df8fdcecd5a44f5871fa9d5@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:34:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3Wt4qD.A.lrF.WG-NCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:55, Matthias Grob wrote: > I doubt Kim ever said 4ms > but 1.5ms command cycle is correct. Usually it takes less than a cycle > to react to a command, in the worst case a little more. > And it takes about another cycle to send out a MIDI command. Thanks for the correction. As I said, I wasn't sure I remembered it right... obviously I wasn't. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 02:50:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G7lKP25592; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:47:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:47:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <03b22bf3e9908cca19ff21a3049bba34@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <20289b1889dce5aaceaa1900d88c7a80@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop latency Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:46:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:38, Matthias Grob wrote: > In ear monitoring seems to be the most acurate. I use ordinary big > headphones on stage with Giba. I guess a point in doing that is also to soften the loud acoustic, on-stage, impact of Giba's percussion? > And when we go off we take them off :-) You mean you don't walk over to the bar with headphones still on? ;-) A funny note on "latency": When talking to studio engineers I have heard that some bands with a long experience of playing out live, can have problems with playing in the studio with headphones monitoring. They have simply grown comfortable with the natural latency in hearing each other's instrument acoustically, and "getting it all into your head" gives a different feel to how you play your own part against the other musicians parts. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 03:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G7wnG28419; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:58:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200503150815.j2F8FSs24673@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315085934.02b71340@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <6db50a5fe6b0f8e36604d1cb89153ed1@boysen.se> <6.2.1.2.2.20050315134854.096d60e8@gemini.lunarpages.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8e6262f86b79c0b3a5244ea6e42a323e@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:58:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0gipMD.A.U6G.jc-NCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> ...Since lower frequencies typically contain/require more energy in >> the first place, they have a tendency to stay more coherent over a >> longer distance. That's one reason why the Navy can use ELF >> (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate with submarines over >> distances of many, many miles. On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:43, Matthias Grob wrote: > and why create those huge whales such a high pitch sound to call? Yeah, that's an interesting question that has been in my mind since I was a kid and heard dolphins for the first time. Maybe they use this for "short distance calls"? When I was scuba diving in the Red Sea a "fish expert" told me that sharks (as most fish BTW) can "hear" with their body. Along the left and right side lines they have receptors that can measure water waves (known to us as "sound"). Especially sharks are very talented in hearing those low frequencies that are created by a fish fighting or splashing by the water surface (don't swim like a damaged fish, if you don't want to call for sharks;-) Maybe all fishes "hear" also much lower frequencies (like 1 - 2 Hz?) with their body lines. I guess the sea should be a pretty noisy place for a fish, if that's true, so maybe some sea animals keep their communication in that higher pitch only to stay free from that terrible noise floor? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 03:54:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G8mjN03584; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:48:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:48:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050316083527.03077ae0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:47:24 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Latency thoughts In-Reply-To: <200503160750.j2G7ocJ26592@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503160750.j2G7ocJ26592@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For Matthias :-) All we need to do is make a device which produces a kick drum sound when the footswitch is pressed, but with a latency that can be set by the user. Then by playing, and tapping a kick rhythm at the same time we could train the foot to tap slightly early all the time. For controller latency problems, and to guarantee that the attack of the first note in the loop isn't a slight fade in. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 04:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G9I6809722; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:18:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.205.17] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8e6262f86b79c0b3a5244ea6e42a323e@boysen.se> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:16:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2005 09:16:19.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[D070B740:01C52A08] Resent-Message-ID: <3vrya.A.tVC.pl_NCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually sound affets the whole body,so humans can perceive sound with their skins as well. There is simeone who gives concerts where the audience is in the pool,with the speakers.When I lived in Hawaii,the nuerophysiologist , and dolphin researcher Dr.Micahel Hyson was planning a program to place hydrophones in the water to set up communicationlinks between wild and captive dolphins.We had great plans to play music in the pool. We did experiment with playing water music.I found out that in the Senagal ,Gambia women,when preparing for a big feast take their calabash bolws into the river and play tunes on thmeas they float up side down.An old tradition apparently. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 04:40:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2G9c5f12393; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:36:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6db50a5fe6b0f8e36604d1cb89153ed1@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:34:17 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.112.204 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how > music would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to manufacture > "underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones? this has long been done. My favorite computer music composer, Michel Redolfi, is most famous for his underwater concerts and installations. See http://www.redolfi-music.com/index_e.htm Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 05:16:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GAB6C18388; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:11:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:11:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:10:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2TJz_B.A.oeE.iYAOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > humans can perceive sound with their skins as well. > There is simeone who gives concerts where Please go and watch "Touch the Sound" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424509/ Bernhard http://looop.biz > -----Original Message----- > From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 16. März 2005 10:16 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) > > > Actually sound affets the whole body,so humans can perceive sound with > their skins as well. There is simeone who gives concerts where > the audience > is in the pool,with the speakers.When I lived in Hawaii,the > nuerophysiologist , and dolphin researcher Dr.Micahel Hyson was > planning a > program to place hydrophones in the water to set up communicationlinks > between wild and captive dolphins.We had great plans to play music in the > pool. We did experiment with playing water music.I found out that in the > Senagal ,Gambia women,when preparing for a big feast take their calabash > bolws into the river and play tunes on thmeas they float up side > down.An old > tradition apparently. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 08:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GDEkQ12725; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1fm15PoyZXTXlOKi6hyjyKYR/XcCTxbjFhnFmXNNaO5HpGN98cbBayjJwJtSZUYDTurK7OrGK+W+lkqIqMxg3xN+MP7EqctaUQotVAw9+T40AOl/RfXuJ71s/sYqQ/oLqOOdKHv5vC96vYaV3YHriSGdk/bfzcahIi7MzmVfLps= ; Message-ID: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Breaking out of the box To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I mentioned not too long ago that I had started doing some looping a few years ago with a Boomerang pedal, but fell away from it and sold it. Now I'm trying to get back into it, and I'm trying to wrap my mind around bigger concepts. The areas that really kind of befuddle me are the replace / insert / substitute type functions. I'm having a hard time getting away from the basic functions (record / overdub / multiply / reverse) so I kind of end up with the traditional "loop" sound (short phrase over and over). I want to bring more variety and interest into it. Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they wouldn't mind sharing? (Probably a silly question - I believe it was Nick Mason of Pink Floyd who said something like musicians are basically grown men with the insatiable desire to show off...) I'm not looking to rip off ideas, just want to hear how other folks use the tools at hand. I've listened to some of Andre LaFosse's stuff recently and can't even comprehend what he's doing with a guitar to make those sounds. =) But beyond that, I just want to expand my knowledge and capabilities with my looper (SooperLooper specifically, but based on the EDP). Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 10:45:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GFge907378; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:42:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5Bgig_sp=E4m_-_M=FCnchen=2C_Deutschland=5D:_Eclectic_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Blah_-_Reverse_Engineering_-_23.3.05_-_Salon_Erna?= Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c52a3e$dcdc4810$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2GFfux07240 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eclectic Blah REVERSE ENGINEERING An interactive remix session based on and performed by the Eclectic Blah concept design by Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill - www.moinlabs.de Live Artists: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Moinsound) - whimsical electronics Luke Cyrus Götze (Cyrus & Traherne) - guitar, turntables, loops Lene Toje (Sanagi) - vocals, effects Recycled Artists: Luke Cyrus, Filzinho, XO Gruber, Christian Klos, Jan Kühner, The Viking Müller, Wolfi Schlickhorn, rtbs, Jack Traherne, Phonky Phrance Wechtenbruch, Thomas Würdinger Support: Silikon - www.silikon-musik.de Sanagi - www.sanagi.co.uk Wednesday, 23rd of March 2005 Salon Erna - www.salonerna.de München, Optimolwerke, Friedenstraße 10 Doors 20h, begin 21h No cover charge! --- This is a new concept in my freely improvised dance music (or improvised booty-funk jazzotronics) project "Eclectic Blah". Sound clips from our various concerts are reassembled and weirdified using Ableton Live!, various plugins and interactively enhanced using turntables, guitar, keyboards, drum machine and singing voice. Looping content: apart from the use of Live! as a pseudo-looper, each musician brings his DL4... If any of you could make it to the gig (if you're in the southern Bavarian area, I'd suggest you do - Sanagi are a real treat!), remember to say hello! I'm the guy with long hair and the Eighties' clothing. See you there, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 13:39:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GIaLH05486; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:36:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050316183515.32832.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whales use a high pitch because, while not "going the distance," they can get a higher resolution of SONAR than they could if they use a lower freq sound with a long wavelength. --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> ...Since lower frequencies typically > contain/require more energy in > >> the first place, they have a tendency to stay > more coherent over a > >> longer distance. That's one reason why the Navy > can use ELF > >> (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate > with submarines over > >> distances of many, many miles. > > On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:43, Matthias Grob wrote: > > and why create those huge whales such a high pitch > sound to call? > > Yeah, that's an interesting question that has been > in my mind since I > was a kid and heard dolphins for the first time. > Maybe they use this > for "short distance calls"? When I was scuba diving > in the Red Sea a > "fish expert" told me that sharks (as most fish BTW) > can "hear" with > their body. Along the left and right side lines they > have receptors > that can measure water waves (known to us as > "sound"). Especially > sharks are very talented in hearing those low > frequencies that are > created by a fish fighting or splashing by the water > surface (don't > swim like a damaged fish, if you don't want to call > for sharks;-) > > Maybe all fishes "hear" also much lower frequencies > (like 1 - 2 Hz?) > with their body lines. I guess the sea should be a > pretty noisy place > for a fish, if that's true, so maybe some sea > animals keep their > communication in that higher pitch only to stay free > from that terrible > noise floor? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 15:05:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GK2qX19183; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:02:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Griff Peters" To: Subject: Underwater sound transmission Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:58:17 -0800 Message-ID: <016e01c52a62$81e642c0$6501a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20050316183515.32832.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whales have the ability to communicate over extremely long distances, perhaps hundreds of miles, underwater via low frequencies. Ocean floor topography, thermoclines, and currents facilitate communication much farther that previously thought. However, due to the industrial age and mechanized shipping, there is now so much low frequency noise throughout the world's oceans that a large portion of whales' long distance communication has been eliminated forever. Griff Peters www.griffpeters.com -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Whales use a high pitch because, while not "going the distance," they can get a higher resolution of SONAR than they could if they use a lower freq sound with a long wavelength. --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> ...Since lower frequencies typically > contain/require more energy in > >> the first place, they have a tendency to stay > more coherent over a > >> longer distance. That's one reason why the Navy > can use ELF > >> (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate > with submarines over > >> distances of many, many miles. > > On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:43, Matthias Grob wrote: > > and why create those huge whales such a high pitch > sound to call? > > Yeah, that's an interesting question that has been > in my mind since I > was a kid and heard dolphins for the first time. > Maybe they use this > for "short distance calls"? When I was scuba diving > in the Red Sea a > "fish expert" told me that sharks (as most fish BTW) > can "hear" with > their body. Along the left and right side lines they > have receptors > that can measure water waves (known to us as > "sound"). Especially > sharks are very talented in hearing those low > frequencies that are > created by a fish fighting or splashing by the water > surface (don't > swim like a damaged fish, if you don't want to call > for sharks;-) > > Maybe all fishes "hear" also much lower frequencies > (like 1 - 2 Hz?) > with their body lines. I guess the sea should be a > pretty noisy place > for a fish, if that's true, so maybe some sea > animals keep their > communication in that higher pitch only to stay free > from that terrible > noise floor? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 15:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GK7AY20019; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:07:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.72] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050316183515.32832.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Underwater latency (not completely OT) ;-) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:05:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2005 20:05:07.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[738879E0:01C52A63] Resent-Message-ID: <4Snwt.A.i0E.5FJOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blue Whales sing in frq ranges below human hearing and communicate over vast distances."Blue whales emit very loud, highly structured, repetitive low-frequency sounds that can travel form many miles underwater. They are probably the loudest animals alive, louder than a jet engine" Nat Geo story on Fin whale songs-around 20 hz "Each note in the song lasts only a second and sounds like a "gentle burp," said Clark. Then there is a 14-second pause before the fin whale hits the next note. The entire song lasts about eight to ten minutes. Only when the composition is played at about 60 times its actual speed is the rhythm and pitch variation apparent. Blue whale songs can last up to twenty minutes with a two-minute interval between notes." fish tapes inc. freq ranges http://www.fishecology.org/soniferous/soundposter.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 15:15:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GK9rO20467; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.2278111a.2f69ec56@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:08:54 EST Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9a.2278111a.2f69ec56_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <6pl0NC.A.x-E.jJJOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9a.2278111a.2f69ec56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/16/05 8:14:47 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they > wouldn't mind sharing?=A0 >=20 mike.....give this a try www.ct-collective.com --part1_9a.2278111a.2f69ec56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/16/05 8:14:47 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


Anyone have any live solo= loop pieces that they
wouldn't mind sharing?=A0


mike.....give this a try www.ct-collective.com
--part1_9a.2278111a.2f69ec56_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 15:39:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GKYX023518; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:34:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: ff654ccb96f256ff16950e799c6f782d Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:32:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The areas that really kind of befuddle me are the >replace / insert / substitute type functions. I'm >having a hard time getting away from the basic >functions (record / overdub / multiply / reverse) so I >kind of end up with the traditional "loop" sound >(short phrase over and over). I want to bring more >variety and interest into it. try a Feedback pedal! >Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they >wouldn't mind sharing? (Probably a silly question - I this confirms what I have been talking about for years: the hardest to find on LD is the music someone (musician, agent, producer, journalist, listener...) interested in what we do needs a page of sound samples and links to capable musicians to get a picture quickly. nicer even if organized by style/technique so he gets the size of the picture quicker. LiveLooping.org was meant to be this, but the people who showed interest do create it did not start (probably my fault...) so? here is my contribution: http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm I finally included some links to 2003 where a lot of good stuff happens, so I may never finish to edit it, so enjoy what I have so far! -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 16:56:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GLrAm05830; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:53:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:53:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ef+83a8/Aub2n871MUE8FWfXzvKkSiNIbAdqklfiwpuNQ5wjPC042zfzKxTN57IYgTb7jJ+AwoOhJgdTUK1nuOe4QilLaMMt86yQ8BQzEBwsTfj4Jwy3MLNDQDY7sff2aoifsCaA4U7aYD/I15F+UH3ZzA4ay3JjKKWmpXTnvIA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:52:05 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? > > this confirms what I have been talking about for years: > the hardest to find on LD is the music > someone (musician, agent, producer, journalist, listener...) > interested in what we do needs a page of sound samples and links to > capable musicians to get a picture quickly. > nicer even if organized by style/technique so he gets the size of the > picture quicker. > > LiveLooping.org was meant to be this, but the people who showed > interest do create it did not start (probably my fault...) > > so? > > here is my contribution: http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm > > I finally included some links to 2003 where a lot of good stuff > happens, so I may never finish to edit it, so enjoy what I have so > far! > > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 18:41:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GNdDd23974; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:39:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:39:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:37:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? no way dude. people can steal those. the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you pay the most amount possible for server space. get with it, man!! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 18:53:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GNoXk25735; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:51:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c52a83$033192b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people >from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you >pay the most amount possible for server space. Does this work the same way like some websites which keep you from simply right-clicking and saving images, so you have to copy the files manually from your internet cache? ;-) Thank you for again explaining something in a way that forces me to laugh my ass off (I vividly remember your primer for plugin interface design). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 19:02:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2GNxB228603; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:59:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <03fe01c52952$d67f9630$040a0a0a@fabio> References: <03fe01c52952$d67f9630$040a0a0a@fabio> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--433750362 Message-Id: From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Behringer Eurorack MX3242 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:57:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3--433750362 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't remember the exact model number, but I owned a Behringer mixer=20= that fits the description on the website about a year ago. I returned=20 it after a few days. I found the eq's lacking, and the onboard fx unusable - even given the=20= mixer's price point. I had no noise problems. Having said that, I do have a 1602 in my rig which is working out=20 nicely. It's just a simple line mixer - and it performs that job well. Jeff On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > Hi guys,=A0 > I'd like to know if ther's someone in this list have tested the=20 > Behringer Eurorack MX3242. > What's about noise, fidelity, digital effect processor,=A0etc....? > Thanks in advantage. > Fabio > =A0 > =A0 --Apple-Mail-3--433750362 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't remember the exact model number, but I owned a Behringer mixer that fits the description on the website about a year ago. I returned it after a few days. I found the eq's lacking, and the onboard fx unusable - even given the mixer's price point. I had no noise problems. Having said that, I do have a 1602 in my rig which is working out nicely. It's just a simple line mixer - and it performs that job well. Jeff On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: Book = Antiqua0000,0000,8080Hi guys,=A0 Book = Antiqua0000,0000,8080 I'd like to know if ther's someone in this list have tested the Behringer Eurorack MX3242. Book = Antiqua0000,0000,8080What's about noise, fidelity, digital effect = processor,=A0etc....? Book = Antiqua0000,0000,8080Thanks in advantage. Book = Antiqua0000,0000,8080Fabio Book = Antiqua0000,0000,8080=A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-3--433750362-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 19:39:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H0acs01345; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:36:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:36:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <03fe01c52952$d67f9630$040a0a0a@fabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85fa334c78a90f055fc0f8b5b1cedfc1@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erland Subject: SooperLooper Help Please Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:34:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can not get any sound into or out of SuperLooper. I'm trying to use my EMI 2|6. In System Preferences I have Input and Output set to EMI 2|6 In Jack I have Built-In Audio (the only option mic option) being sent to SuperLooper I tried using the built-in mic instead but it still wouldn't work. I tried every kind of connection in Jack and just ended up with ringing ears. Any help is really appreciated, Thanks, Erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 19:40:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H0bls01679; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.38c54ead.2f6a2b39@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:37:13 EST Subject: mac recording questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d6.38c54ead.2f6a2b39_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d6.38c54ead.2f6a2b39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #1. when i had my PHILIPS cd recorder it required "AUDIO" CDS now that i have an eMac with built in cd recorder what media should i use?.....i have been using the AUDIO CDS with the eMac and have had no problems but i believe they are a bit more expensive.....are the AUDIO CDS "better" and should i continue to use them? #2. when i record something into PEAK LE and i want to put it onto a cd i send it to i-tunes, create a play-list then record it to cd.....does this degrade the sound? the reason i do it this way is if i go straight from PEAK thats all i can put on a cd, seems a waste of cd space.....thanks --part1_1d6.38c54ead.2f6a2b39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable #1.
when i had my PHILIPS cd recorder it required "AUDIO" CDS now that i have an= eMac with built in cd recorder what media should i use?.....i have been usi= ng the AUDIO CDS with the eMac and have had no problems but i believe they a= re a bit more expensive.....are the AUDIO CDS "better" and should i continue= to use them?
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when i record something into PEAK LE and i want to put it onto a cd i send i= t to i-tunes, create a play-list then record it to cd.....does this degrade=20= the sound? the reason i do it this way is if i go straight from PEAK thats a= ll i can put on a cd, seems a waste of cd space.....thanks
--part1_1d6.38c54ead.2f6a2b39_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 19:40:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H0blH01681; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4238D13E.1050304@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:37:18 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about the friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File Library, which has a grand total of 13 sound files on it (and has been available for almost 2 years). http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ Mike, you can find a few samples there. I don't think it's a question of available resources or tools. I think it's that musicians in general, and loopers specifically, are an independent bunch, and aren't real motivated to build a shared music resource. No sour grapes, honest. But if you really *want* to, there IS a resource available to you at the Looper's Delight website. Dig Matthias Grob wrote: >> The areas that really kind of befuddle me are the >> replace / insert / substitute type functions. I'm >> having a hard time getting away from the basic >> functions (record / overdub / multiply / reverse) so I >> kind of end up with the traditional "loop" sound >> (short phrase over and over). I want to bring more >> variety and interest into it. > > > try a Feedback pedal! > >> Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they >> wouldn't mind sharing? (Probably a silly question - I > > > this confirms what I have been talking about for years: > the hardest to find on LD is the music > someone (musician, agent, producer, journalist, listener...) > interested in what we do needs a page of sound samples and links to > capable musicians to get a picture quickly. > nicer even if organized by style/technique so he gets the size of the > picture quicker. > > LiveLooping.org was meant to be this, but the people who showed > interest do create it did not start (probably my fault...) > > so? > > here is my contribution: http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm > > I finally included some links to 2003 where a lot of good stuff > happens, so I may never finish to edit it, so enjoy what I have so far! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 19:46:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H0i5Y03078; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:44:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=p3P02/8KJE2HArMVT8t259+LrqfGyLxUSbUbr0nqNhjrUIJp7kwSzh+af4Z48HqlIG+SGsj8z0jv0bhxow282aTmhPpjOUobA+WJLK1FdRRaec9dZiqFMQtcCWGO7oJvn6dtqVuj/AWRurhL+EwsU9j5keXC9Fu2ynoalwBcwz4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:42:20 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac recording questions In-Reply-To: <1d6.38c54ead.2f6a2b39@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1d6.38c54ead.2f6a2b39@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0VnBkD.A.ns.yJNOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can use any CD-R on the Mac--that special audio CD-R designation is just something to keep the consumer standalone CD-R machines from being able to use the real cheap media. When you import into iTunes, depending on your settings it may convert the AIFF file into an mp3/AAC or whatever. If that's happening, then yes, there's audio degredation. If you leave the file as an AIFF then no, there's no audio degredation. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:37:13 EST, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > #1. > when i had my PHILIPS cd recorder it required "AUDIO" CDS now that i have > an eMac with built in cd recorder what media should i use?.....i have been > using the AUDIO CDS with the eMac and have had no problems but i believe > they are a bit more expensive.....are the AUDIO CDS "better" and should i > continue to use them? > #2. > when i record something into PEAK LE and i want to put it onto a cd i send > it to i-tunes, create a play-list then record it to cd.....does this degrade > the sound? the reason i do it this way is if i go straight from PEAK thats > all i can put on a cd, seems a waste of cd space.....thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 19:48:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H0k5x03686; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:46:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IaGrNNTlsjIoDIS9FNLOkqYkNM5G92hx1aF7m6g/8+fed2v8kBjfop4nb63cQhac4WqGOOWMlL32fSHKk157jwrCAUxhhbaMlW/XCB7deL9A7kkIoWS24SQulwp1wIliytY7TeszzcPCxUbg4ygMczsgigDTZuIr+vf5TJW/pDc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:35 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples In-Reply-To: <4238D13E.1050304@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <4238D13E.1050304@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd forgotten about this, but looking at it now I remember why I never used it: the 2MB file size limit. I just put full-length tracks up on my website. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:37:18 -0600, Doug Cox wrote: > Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about the > friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File Library, > which has a grand total of 13 sound files on it (and has been available > for almost 2 years). > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 20:29:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H1Qv609349; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c52a90$492313e0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:17:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <4DJBcD.A.qQC.zyNOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 23:37 PM Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples | On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: | > Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? | | no way dude. people can steal those. | | the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people | from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you | pay the most amount possible for server space. | | get with it, man!! | --- | Eric Williamson | www.suitandtieguy.com Yeah, the day that they give away the encoding for the presently-proprietary Flash, I'll think about it. Why make Macromedia richer? Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations" * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 20:44:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H1fks11383; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:41:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:41:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4238DFFD.3080702@neoprimitive.net> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:40:13 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> <00aa01c52a90$492313e0$0207a8c0@eluk> In-Reply-To: <00aa01c52a90$492313e0$0207a8c0@eluk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f900a30956e8f24dba12bd6b9488721e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.199.64.22 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of my computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player. Sounds great! And it keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear. -J Stephen Goodman wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 23:37 PM > Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples > > > | On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > | > Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? > | > | no way dude. people can steal those. > | > | the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people > | from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you > | pay the most amount possible for server space. > | > | get with it, man!! > | --- > | Eric Williamson > | www.suitandtieguy.com > > Yeah, the day that they give away the encoding for the presently-proprietary > Flash, I'll think about it. Why make Macromedia richer? > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.medialinenews.com > * > * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All > mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" > - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations" > * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 20:50:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H1lSg12307; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:47:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:47:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c52a93$2466e790$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> <00aa01c52a90$492313e0$0207a8c0@eluk> <4238DFFD.3080702@neoprimitive.net> Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:46:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Lucas" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 01:40 AM Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples | Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of my | computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player. Sounds great! And it | keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear. And you got it for free anyway. So much for THAT line of argument then! | -J | | | Stephen Goodman wrote: | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" | > To: | > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 23:37 PM | > Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples | > | > | > | On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: | > | > Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? | > | | > | no way dude. people can steal those. | > | | > | the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people | > | from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you | > | pay the most amount possible for server space. | > | | > | get with it, man!! | > | --- | > | Eric Williamson | > | www.suitandtieguy.com | > | > Yeah, the day that they give away the encoding for the presently-proprietary | > Flash, I'll think about it. Why make Macromedia richer? | > Stephen Goodman | > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff | > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack | > * http://www.medialinenews.com | > * | > * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All | > mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" | > - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations" | > * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net | > | > | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 21:13:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H28mO17059; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4238E6A3.4080802@neoprimitive.net> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:08:35 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> <00aa01c52a90$492313e0$0207a8c0@eluk> <4238DFFD.3080702@neoprimitive.net> <001d01c52a93$2466e790$0207a8c0@eluk> In-Reply-To: <001d01c52a93$2466e790$0207a8c0@eluk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e2206cb58ab927adcc3f6a281f84ce20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.199.64.22 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen Goodman wrote: > | Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of my > | computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player. Sounds great! And it > | keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear. > > And you got it for free anyway. So much for THAT line of argument then! Wow! I didn't think of it that way! -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 22:16:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H3Clg25445; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:12:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:12:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Free Jazz (was RE: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:11:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4238E6A3.4080802@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUqlrKckR5NXp0NRsK5ZwJmEsgt7gABWxsg Message-Id: <20050317031126.PDZV7956.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just spent some time with Google trying to find a quote, perhaps you folks can help . . . I believe it was spoken by Lionel Hampton, and is something like; "Americans like jazz, as long as they get it free with Sunday brunch." My point is that there is a lot of "free" entertainment out there--online music etc-- Gary PS Nothing I do seems to be groundbreaking enough to record and post--but it's great entertainment for me! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 16 23:44:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H4fsU05440; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:41:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:41:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Byyl3luYwEThNtAAUWN+UTpAzrlTfIhZVK70t9isgftPMKUAeyeAY8kfc3ib19vukBZ5VqPxfi/udhNA42NYIAIgjUzkaRZjZZWucz1nMIZzbFdnumcauK1o9wOPytFdYPWVmapMWshYFQ2s8BstejaanvBfkmVwC5JzsVwqHOw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:41:15 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper Help Please In-Reply-To: <85fa334c78a90f055fc0f8b5b1cedfc1@acedsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <03fe01c52952$d67f9630$040a0a0a@fabio> <85fa334c78a90f055fc0f8b5b1cedfc1@acedsl.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:34:33 -0500, Erland wrote: > I can not get any sound into or out of SuperLooper. > > I'm trying to use my EMI 2|6. > > In System Preferences I have Input and Output set to EMI 2|6 > > In Jack I have Built-In Audio (the only option mic option) being sent > to SuperLooper > > I tried using the built-in mic instead but it still wouldn't work. > > I tried every kind of connection in Jack and just ended up with ringing > ears. First, stop the jack server, then in the JackPilot preferences, choose the EMI as the Interface in the settings at the top. Set the sample rate to 48000 (best for USB audio), buffer size to taste, save the settings, then start jack again. Connecting sooperlooper to the EMI in both directions should work... jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 01:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H6cB123385; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:38:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:38:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: steve roach: EDP user Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:22:28 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's a photo from his recent concert in Tuscon: http://www.steveroach.com/Live/2005/Tucson/Photos/pages/page_4.html 2 EDPs, one Echo Pro in that mad bunch of keyboards. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 01:50:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H6luB24872; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:47:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4238DFFD.3080702@neoprimitive.net> References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> <00aa01c52a90$492313e0$0207a8c0@eluk> <4238DFFD.3080702@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <795ca161e6792f6f7bdafa326f7363db@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:46:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2ji_cC.A._AG.2eSOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Jesse Lucas wrote: > Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of > my computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player. Sounds great! > And it keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear. my favourite is when some totally paranoid schizo puts his music on his site as an m3u or an rm file so you can just open the link in a text editor and grab the actual location of the file. > Stephen Goodman wrote: >> * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! >> All >> mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" >> - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations" >> * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net so does john travolta ever phone you up and threaten to rough you up for that link in your sig? i hear i'm a fourth level Thetan, or at least the guy i paid 40 grand told me so. that fateful day: http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004- Pages/Image41.html http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004- Pages/Image42.html http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004- Pages/Image43.html --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 03:10:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H837d03490; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4239397C.8080601@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:02:04 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <4238D13E.1050304@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <4238D13E.1050304@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it true that there's a 2 meg file limit? If not, I could stick my looping tracks on there, no problem. Andreas Doug Cox wrote: > Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about the > friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File > Library, which has a grand total of 13 sound files on it (and has > been available for almost 2 years). > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > Mike, you can find a few samples there. > > I don't think it's a question of available resources or tools. I > think it's that musicians in general, and loopers specifically, are an > independent bunch, and aren't real motivated to build a shared music > resource. No sour grapes, honest. But if you really *want* to, there > IS a resource available to you at the Looper's Delight website. > > Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 03:28:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H8QBD06991; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:26:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mF3ZtSWZmDkOV3hq077gqIVpgoogEu5apy7ymhtMKixJEHxE85nR6CMOAqbYqEhl2c04C22MwA/aRTUiPmGWV1jEcX9eAWQEmqW3MZWatSG3HObOFaKrOAnCxpVMWMyVWZIHl8MCCFqV1RsE5Ft2YbZ6/MExR13G1f5hlOg2mgU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:25:22 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples In-Reply-To: <4239397C.8080601@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <4238D13E.1050304@pdq.net> <4239397C.8080601@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Uploads are limited to 2MB at this time. Files greater than 2MB are truncated. Truncated MP3s will still play - they'll just be... uh... truncated at the end! Other file types over 2MB may be corrupted by truncation." On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:02:04 +0100, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Is it true that there's a 2 meg file limit? If not, I could stick my > looping tracks on there, no problem. > > Andreas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 04:05:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H8vbk10363; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050317074656.02bb0210@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:56:33 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples In-Reply-To: <200503170040.j2H0eZf02617@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503170040.j2H0eZf02617@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? > >no way dude. people can steal those. for some mp3s that you can steal www.andybutler.com the EDP use is a lot more "gentle" than Andre's, but there's a range of techniques to get away from straightforward loops. 1) Non-looped intro/outro 2) Multiply allows you to start with a very small rhythmic cell, and extend in length progressively 3) HalfSpeed, and Reverse help to build up layers of contrasting sounds as an example http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/hanging-garden-clf.mp3 this is a straight warts and all live recording, made with the directional mic on a video camera, so sound is somewhat lo-fi, ...and you can hear the footswitch action first minute is unlooped intro 1:10 two note rhythmic cell is looped 1:19 Multiply is used to "overdub" a second longer rhythm (8 cycles) 1:30 NextLoop is used to make a copy of that loop into loop 2 , and simultaneously it is multiplied up to 36 cycles while adding a melody. 2:10 Melody starts to repeat 2:24 A counter-melody is played over the top of everything 2:38 Overdub is engaged, so now that melody is dubbed onto the loop 2:49 Overdub is switched off, while the melody continues 3:17 Now the bit I overdub comes round again, and I overdub another harmony (overdub on) 3:30 Overdub Off again 3:57 3 part harmony 4:09 nextloop used to go back to Loop 1, which has the 8 cycle rhythm 4:29 overdub rhythm onto loop1 4:35 while still overdubbing, hit reverse , and play a ringing chord simultaneously 4:42 hit reverse again, 4:53 you hear that ringing chord played backwards over the rhythm 5:00 that's the hard stuff done, now it's just me playing variations on the first non-looped intro over the new rhythm 5:50 Mute loop and play outro 6:04 applause From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 04:34:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2H9TBb16034; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:29:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:29:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:26:08 -0800 Subject: Re: steve roach: EDP user From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i'm a guitarer who loves s.roach. he gets such rich organic/earthee sounds-my fav is still 1990s w/robt rich... anyway i see that spacestation(that some o' us abuse-hi michael) @ his feet... s > here's a photo from his recent concert in Tuscon: > > http://www.steveroach.com/Live/2005/Tucson/Photos/pages/page_4.html > > 2 EDPs, one Echo Pro in that mad bunch of keyboards. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 07:21:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HCHO909885; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c52aeb$27d55260$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050316131409.20476.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> <99e932682ecc5df4d9211056913b51be@suitandtieguy.com> <00aa01c52a90$492313e0$0207a8c0@eluk> <4238DFFD.3080702@neoprimitive.net> <795ca161e6792f6f7bdafa326f7363db@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha, | On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Jesse Lucas wrote: | > Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of | > my computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player. Sounds great! | > And it keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear. | | my favourite is when some totally paranoid schizo puts his music on his | site as an m3u or an rm file so you can just open the link in a text | editor and grab the actual location of the file. I find one of the more silly methods of "protecting your work" - a Javascript routine made to prevent people from right-clicking on graphics, that also prevents one from right-clicking to Show Picture when it's not visible. :) | > Stephen Goodman wrote: | >> * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! | >> All | >> mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" | >> - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations" | >> * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net | | so does john travolta ever phone you up and threaten to rough you up | for that link in your sig? He should be able to do so remotely with his OatTee Powerz! After all the so-called OTs are supposed to be able to be "at cause over Matter, Energy, Space and Time ('MEST')", so Tubby Johnny should be able to do it all from his luxury suite while demanding another fresh Armani t-shirt for the day's labor, and avoiding airborne perfumes, sprays, and other not-so-awful "pollutants". | i hear i'm a fourth level Thetan, or at least the guy i paid 40 grand | told me so. Since it costs nearly $320k to get to OT8, without all the extra fees of course, I'd say you got a bargain. Well, so long as you were able to realize it's a load of expensive junk best avoided with the same fever as reserved for "Battlefield Earth"... | that fateful day: | http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004-Pages/Image41.html | http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004-Pages/Image42.html | http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004-Pages/Image43.html Ah, St. Louis! Near the so-called "Applied Scholastics" front group for the cult, which pretends to teach while actually performing indoctrination drilling. Notice if you will in the last image, how those hands seem to be taking the planet apart, as opposed to what was intended by those commissioning the artwork? I'm sure it was unconscious. Inside the disassembled Earth, the glow of GOLD. Which is of course Scientology's main motivation, as Hubbard wrote: "Make money. Make more money. Make others make more money." Unfortunately for the cult they're getting their "Narconon" front group's butts kicked out of schools all over the US, after Isaac Asimov's daughter wrote a great series of exposes in SF's Chronicle (Examiner?) about its "bad science" and sheer absence of verifiable proof of anything the group preaches - and the fact that it's not really a "drug prevention" program at all. I'll stop now, and if anyone wants to discuss this off-list feel free. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * * "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." * - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88" * * "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water removable. According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is well known to defense trained personnel." * - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47 * "The anti-drug campaign sounds like a red herring to me - they are just trying to promote Scientology in our schools. I really do not know why the police are supporting them." - A parent of a 15-year-old attending Secondary School in Westminster UK, 2004 * "We would not for a moment consider allowing Scientologists to come into our school." * - Joe Heggarty, governor of St Vincent's RC primary school, Westminster UK * from The Wood & Vale newspaper, at http://tinyurl.com/5qmg4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 09:24:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HEKjp30328; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:20:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42398D9B.7000803@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:00:59 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Leonardson Subject: Plasticene's "Refuge" open Friday, March 18 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090800030909030709090907" Resent-Message-ID: <3odqiD.A.ZPH.IIZOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090800030909030709090907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html -- Eric Leonardson "sound thinking" http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ "what's new" http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html --------------090800030909030709090907 Content-Type: text/html; name="pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html" Content-Base: "http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew .html" Content-Location: "http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew .html" eric leonardson: what's new
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--------------090800030909030709090907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 09:52:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HEgV901441; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050317142727.02b60610@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:40:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples In-Reply-To: <200503171424.j2HEOGP31123@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503171424.j2HEOGP31123@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 14:24 17/03/05, you wrote: >Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about the >friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File Library, >which has a grand total of 13 sound files on it (and has been available >for almost 2 years). > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ I thought this was a limited resource, intended for those who didn't have their own webspace, and for short examples of looping techniques. (hence the 2Mb limit on file size) ...that's my excuse anyway, I notice the "competent self publicists" all have nice files up there already :-) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 11:18:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HG5fU17120; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:05:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:05:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1111075503!16495596!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329F05@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 4-D loopers Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:03:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C52B0A.D0801750" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B0A.D0801750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension. How would a four-dimensional being perceive music?<< in much the same way as one of us might percieve a three-dimensional object? the assumption is always that the same (limited) set of sensory inputs is available. in any case, a description that assumes anything else is going to be difficult for regular humans to appreciate. I know a band called "air sculpture" who got their name from such an attempt (to describe music, that is); can't remember the source now though. during periods of an altered state, it is sometimes possible to appreciate the beginning, middle & end of an otherwise "rolling" experience. sometimes though, this is because one's own sense of the passage of time is altered, probably by a change in the way one's short-term memory is processed. experience of this is not without merit in the creative arts, but it's not recommended for everyday life! duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Say, for the sake of my example, time is the four= th dimension.  How would a four-dimensional being perceive music?<&= lt;

in much the same way as one of us might percieve a three-= dimensional object? the assumption is always that the same (limited) set of= sensory inputs is available. in any case, a description that assumes anyth= ing else is going to be difficult for regular humans to appreciate.<= /P>

I know a band called "air sculpture" who got th= eir name from such an attempt (to describe music, that is); can't remember = the source now though.

during periods of an altered state, it is sometimes possi= ble to appreciate the beginning, middle & end of an otherwise "rol= ling" experience. sometimes though, this is because one's own sense of= the passage of time is altered, probably by a change in the way one's shor= t-term memory is processed. experience of this is not without merit in the = creative arts, but it's not recommended for everyday life!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B0A.D0801750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 11:23:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HGHsc19598; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:17:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:17:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dAn08YvXdN+jMMtDumuHliZpbSoK6lbj0+7x7GgrwxO1sNLAbcJeIS7EMqm6y1cKRlQC0xUCvu2dHGn1Q5CfdEIgW3pTMBtWOlVf9ztbW/MpUD09zNuUI7YXcG7Rotbc0i28eC08o+oef1lFcZfa96Z0iv4RIuMaHwxMo03f07I= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:17:09 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4-D loopers In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329F05@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329F05@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did I miss something here? Time is the fourth dimension and we are all four-dimensional beings--is this considered an unproven theory now? On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:03:09 -0000, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension. How would > a four-dimensional being perceive music?<< > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 12:18:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HHDl529544; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:13:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:13:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4239BA8D.4000802@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:12:45 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Fwd: [OT] Re: 4-D loopers] X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020907090001090702000606" X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794c6f1379063c692cfaa053bbeec82f45350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020907090001090702000606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------020907090001090702000606 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[OT] Re: 4-D loopers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="[OT] Re: 4-D loopers" Message-ID: <4239B21E.6000202@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:36:46 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Travis Hartnett Subject: [OT] Re: 4-D loopers References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329F05@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Travis Hartnett wrote: > Did I miss something here? Time is the fourth dimension and we are > all four-dimensional beings--is this considered an unproven theory > now? There could be an infinite number of dimensions. Humans' numbering of them is arbitrary. I needed to specify that I was referring to time as the fourth dimension just in case some smart ass wanted to get up in my shit. But, yes, time is commonly referred to as the fourth dimension as far as I know. We are aware of time, but we can't really control how we move through it. We are always moving forward at the same rate. A true four-dimensional being should be able to control hir movement through time. -J --------------020907090001090702000606-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:01:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HHu4203518; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: ad692ba0edc5570de2bb27e19940a874 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:54:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis wrote: >Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? not quite and try to colect a variety of sound of ours to see how long it takes each site has a different system many of the links at LoopersOfTheWorld are outdated Ok, the site sais its for musicians info exchange, and for this it works well. Spreading the music is a different story... maybe important for some of us, not for others... At 14:24 17/03/05, Eric wrote: >Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about >the friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File >Library, which has a grand total of 13 sound files on it (and has >been available for almost 2 years). > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ yeah its a pity just imagine you dont know anything about LiveLooping and come to LD: dont you want to hear first what it sounds like? do you click on "File Library" to do so? And if so, you read "The Looper's Delight File Library is intended to be an extension of the discussions that occur on the Looper's Delight mailing list." If you listen anyway to the samples... would you search for a place to watch this? I think a 2MB limit is not a problem for the listener, but it may be for the musician who has to do a special edit. also, if we represent all we do by some people who put up a file because they dont have a site, it may not show the real cultural value... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:10:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HI5hP06559; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:05:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:05:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050317180422.68872.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:04:21 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: mac recording questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1yMlWB.A.sjB.racOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never purchased CDROMs made for "Audio" CDs and I've never had an issue. When burning a CD from iTunes you should have no problem if you start out with an .aif or .wav file and don't convert it to an mp3. Mark --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > #1. > when i had my PHILIPS cd recorder it required > "AUDIO" CDS now that i have an > eMac with built in cd recorder what media should i > use?.....i have been using > the AUDIO CDS with the eMac and have had no problems > but i believe they are a > bit more expensive.....are the AUDIO CDS "better" > and should i continue to use > them? > #2. > when i record something into PEAK LE and i want to > put it onto a cd i send it > to i-tunes, create a play-list then record it to > cd.....does this degrade the > sound? the reason i do it this way is if i go > straight from PEAK thats all i > can put on a cd, seems a waste of cd > space.....thanks > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:18:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HI7O907058; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:07:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:07:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:05:44 EST Subject: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b8.6e8d686a.2f6b20f8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b8.6e8d686a.2f6b20f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Dia duit, "Gosh and begorrah! It's me Luck Charms!" time again, also known as Saint=20 Patrick's Day. With a name like KILLIAN how can I help but point it out and=20 wish=20 everyone a happy one! To encourage the festivities, here are some key words=20 to use down at the local brew pub so that everyone can be an Irishman on=20 St. Patrick=E2=80=99s day: =C3=89ire - Ireland Gaelic - The Irish Language Sla=C3=ADnte - Cheers=C2=A0=20 Dia duit - equivalent of hello (literally "God to you") Dia's Muire duit - response greeting (literally "God and Mary to you") Slan leat - Goodbye=C2=A0=20 Fa=C3=ADlte =E2=80=93 Welcome Is gra laith- I Love You=C2=A0=20 Fear- Man=20 Mn=C3=A1- Woman Cail=C3=ADn- Girl=C2=A0=20 T=C3=ADr na n=C3=B3g- Land of the young Amad=C3=A1n- Idiot=C2=A0=20 Buiochas le dia- Thanks be to God Bulloxology- The Science or study of Nonsense P=C3=B3g mo th=C3=B3in- Kiss my bum Qiche ma=C3=ADth =E2=80=93 good night So, go out and hoist a few in tribute to Saint Pat's. For me it's still to=20 early, so I'm going to go into the kitchen and pour some Guinness Stout over a bowl=20 of Lucky Charms! (just kidding)=20 Have a great one anyway. Sla=C3=ADnte, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_b8.6e8d686a.2f6b20f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Dia duit,

"Gosh and begorrah! It's me Luck Charms!" time again, also known as Saint Patrick's Day. With a name like KILLIAN how can I help but point it out and=20= wish
everyone a happy one! To encourage the festivities, here are some key words=20=
to use down at the local brew pub so that everyone can be an Irishman on St. Patrick=E2=80=99s day:

=C3=89ire - Ireland
Gaelic - The Irish Language
Sla=C3=ADnte - Cheers=C2=A0
Dia duit - equivalent of hello (literally "God to you")
Dia's Muire duit - response greeting (literally "God and Mary to you")
Slan leat - Goodbye=C2=A0
Fa=C3=ADlte =E2=80=93 Welcome
Is gra laith- I Love You=C2=A0
Fear- Man
Mn=C3=A1- Woman
Cail=C3=ADn- Girl=C2=A0
T=C3=ADr na n=C3=B3g- Land of the young
Amad=C3=A1n- Idiot=C2=A0
Buiochas le dia- Thanks be to God
Bulloxology- The Science or study of Nonsense
P=C3=B3g mo th=C3=B3in- Kiss my bum
Qiche ma=C3=ADth =E2=80=93 good night

So, go out and hoist a few in tribute to Saint Pat's. For me it's still to e= arly, so
I'm going to go into the kitchen and pour some Guinness Stout over a bowl of Lucky Charms!

(just kidding)

Have a great one anyway.

Sla=C3=ADnte,

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

--part1_b8.6e8d686a.2f6b20f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:22:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIHRl09087; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:17:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:17:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4239C98C.6070704@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:16:44 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Short track for y'all... X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797da951eaebd2292a0c222bdd13587819350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, these beatslicing fellows take breakbeats, cut them apart and reassemble them in different ways in a sampler. I dumped a bunch of junk bass noises (i.e. played/hit my bass) into my EDP, did some SUSInsert, SUSReplace, and SUSMultiply along the way and came up with a rhythmic loop. I recorded it into my computer, and cut it up into quarter note and eighth note pieces (or something), and then put those in my sampler and sequenced them. Throw in a little snare for familiarity, sample some chick from an anal sex how-to video, and then whisper menacingly into a compressor. There you have it. Enjoy. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/edp.mp3 -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:26:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIKit09804; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:19:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C52B1D.E6012D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C52B1D.E6012D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warning! Abrasive, provocative text follows! If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and = thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies. In any event I = reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the = notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the = only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about = everywhere there are English-speaking folks. I'd propose the renaming = of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful = near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"? I'd say = "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a = waste of time, wouldn't it? So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the = green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals = Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". Aye! Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net * "You're supposed to eat vegetables, not listen to them." - UK Review of L. Ron Hubbard's "Thank You For Listening" ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C52B1D.E6012D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Warning!  Abrasive, provocative text=20 follows!
 
If there is any Irish in me it's because of = cross-channel=20 raids, and thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies.  In = any event=20 I reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the = notion=20 of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the only=20 singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about = everywhere there=20 are English-speaking folks.  I'd propose the renaming of "Saint = Patrick's"=20 Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful near-conflict in = terms=20 there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"?  I'd say "Tree Day" but = we've=20 already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a waste of time, = wouldn't=20 it?
 
So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little = "smokin'=20 of the green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals = Gathered=20 Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".  Aye!
 
Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and = Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/= HiddenTrack
*=20 http://www.medialinenews.com*
http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.= com -=20 http://www.xenu.net
*
"You're supposed to eat vegetables, not listen to = them."
- UK=20 Review of L. Ron Hubbard's "Thank You For=20 Listening"
------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C52B1D.E6012D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:34:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIU5G11412; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:29:22 +0100 From: jan Subject: Re: Short track for y'all... In-reply-to: <4239C98C.6070704@neoprimitive.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed References: <4239C98C.6070704@neoprimitive.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2HITSx11326 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey jesse! I like that, very nice… Pċ 17. mar. 2005 kl. 19.16 skrev Jesse Lucas: > So, these beatslicing fellows take breakbeats, cut them apart and > reassemble them in different ways in a sampler. > > I dumped a bunch of junk bass noises (i.e. played/hit my bass) into my > EDP, did some SUSInsert, SUSReplace, and SUSMultiply along the way and > came up with a rhythmic loop. > > I recorded it into my computer, and cut it up into quarter note and > eighth note pieces (or something), and then put those in my sampler > and sequenced them. > > Throw in a little snare for familiarity, sample some chick from an > anal sex how-to video, and then whisper menacingly into a compressor. > There you have it. > > Enjoy. > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/edp.mp3 > > -J > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:39:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIYk712198; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:34:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:34:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4239CCB5.3020107@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:30:13 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! References: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> In-Reply-To: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I'll celebrate by listening to Green Day ;-) Dennis Stephen Goodman wrote: > Warning! Abrasive, provocative text follows! > > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies. In any event I > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via > the only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just > about everywhere there are English-speaking folks. I'd propose the > renaming of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a > delightful near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt > Day"? I'd say "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor > Day, so that'd be a waste of time, wouldn't it? > > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". Aye! > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.medialinenews.com > * > http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net > * > "You're supposed to eat vegetables, not listen to them." > - UK Review of L. Ron Hubbard's "Thank You For Listening" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIaLX12635; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:36:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4239CDF3.3040701@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:35:31 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! References: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> In-Reply-To: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b2fd849a1adbe43d5eac9b32e48cf579350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone please get this troll a drink. -J Stephen Goodman wrote: > Warning! Abrasive, provocative text follows! > > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies. In any event I > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the > only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about > everywhere there are English-speaking folks. I'd propose the renaming > of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful > near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"? I'd say > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a > waste of time, wouldn't it? > > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". Aye! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:45:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIf8w13691; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:41:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:41:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c52b20$d0734410$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> <4239CDF3.3040701@neoprimitive.net> Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:40:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He implies that I required a response to have my opinion validated. Go moderate. | Someone please get this troll a drink. | | -J | | | Stephen Goodman wrote: | > Warning! Abrasive, provocative text follows! | > | > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and | > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies. In any event I | > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the | > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the | > only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about | > everywhere there are English-speaking folks. I'd propose the renaming | > of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful | > near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"? I'd say | > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a | > waste of time, wouldn't it? | > | > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the | > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals | > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". Aye! | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:56:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIoa014927; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:50:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4239D11B.10509@neoprimitive.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:48:59 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! References: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> <4239CDF3.3040701@neoprimitive.net> <001101c52b20$d0734410$0207a8c0@eluk> In-Reply-To: <001101c52b20$d0734410$0207a8c0@eluk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79df8736040e31d80771455baeebe64f09350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why don't you post some music instead of this racist rubbish. -J Stephen Goodman wrote: > | > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and > | > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies. In any event I > | > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the > | > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the > | > only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about > | > everywhere there are English-speaking folks. I'd propose the renaming > | > of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful > | > near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"? I'd say > | > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a > | > waste of time, wouldn't it? > | > > | > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the > | > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals > | > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". Aye! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 13:58:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIs8015876; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:54:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:54:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1111085598!14886647!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329F0C@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 4-D loopers Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:51:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C52B22.54457E10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B22.54457E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Did I miss something here? Time is the fourth dimension and we are all four-dimensional beings--is this considered an unproven theory now?<< we-e-e-ll....... you might consider the plight of a three-dimensional being falling from an aircraft.... he has a pretty good sense of all three dimensions, but his movements are limited to two of them. to truly exist in a dimension, one must surely have some control over one's movements in that dimension, rather than just an appreciation of it. (when does "dr who" start up again?) at least as humans, we have some notion of our movement through time, & a sense of past & future. I think that's why we (i.e. the list) have this fascination with iterative sound recording processes:- is it the same each time it comes around? it says on the box that it will be, & if I look at the waveform, it seems to be the same. only- ah- that last time..... I thought it sounded different somehow..... here it comes again, & now I've got two memories to compare it to. uh-oh, it was different again. I should try to keep my head still this time.... I think I can hear sonny & cher starting up somewhere. :-) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Did I miss something here?  Time is the four= th dimension and we are all four-dimensional beings--is this considered an = unproven theory now?<<

we-e-e-ll....... you might consider the plight of a three= -dimensional being falling from an aircraft.... he has a pretty good sense = of all three dimensions, but his movements are limited to two of them.

to truly exist in a dimension, one must surely have some = control over one's movements in that dimension, rather than just an appreci= ation of it. (when does "dr who" start up again?)

at least as humans, we have some notion of our movement t= hrough time, & a sense of past & future. I think that's why we (i.e= . the list) have this fascination with iterative sound recording processes:= -

is it the same each time it comes around? it says on the = box that it will be, & if I look at the waveform, it seems to be the sa= me. only- ah- that last time..... I thought it sounded different somehow...= .. here it comes again, & now I've got two memories to compare it to. u= h-oh, it was different again. I should try to keep my head still this time.= ...

I think I can hear sonny & cher starting up somewhere= . :-)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B22.54457E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 14:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HIwQf16887; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:58:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:58:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4239C98C.6070704@neoprimitive.net> References: <4239C98C.6070704@neoprimitive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Short track for y'all... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:56:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 17, 2005, at 19:16, Jesse Lucas wrote: > > There you have it. > Enjoy. > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/edp.mp3 > > -J Excellent! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 14:21:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HJGiE20893; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:16:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:16:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-24778-1111086919-0001-2" Message-Id: <4239D74A.00005C.02772@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:15:22 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <001101c52b20$d0734410$0207a8c0@eluk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! 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He implies that I required a response to have my opinion validated.&= nbsp; Go
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| > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel rai= ds, and
| > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies.  = ;In any event I
| > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much= less the
| > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of = all via the
| > only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just= about
| > everywhere there are English-speaking folks.  I'd p= ropose the renaming
| > of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a= delightful
| > near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"= ?  I'd say
| > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so = that'd be a
| > waste of time, wouldn't it?
| >
| > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin'= of the
| > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Anim= als
| > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". &= nbsp;Aye!
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.6ec7d167.2f6b37c3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_36.6ec7d167.2f6b37c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many sincere apologies! In my usual lunk-headed, Amero-central way I forgot that there are folks in the world that don't particularly like the Irish. The last thing=20 in the world I ever imagined my e-mail greeting would ever raise was=20 real "ire" (of the wrong, negative sort, and yes -- pun fully intended). I am just the sort who is as likely send out a Cinco de Mayo greeting=20 on May the 5th -- even though I am not even a speck Hispanic or, specifically, Mexican (though I went to college in Mexico) -- or a Yom=20 Kippur or a Chinese New Year greeting as anything else. I am neither=20 Jewish or Chinese if you must know. I am probably only a little bit Irish. I've got as much Welsh, Scott, English and German DNA in me (for that matter) as I do Irish -- possibly more. I am an American, so it almost goes without saying that I am (in dog parlance) a complete mutt and a mongrel . . . both=20 ethnically and culturally. I'm probably part Samoan and Eskimo too (for all I know or care). Nothing is my own and everything is=20 my own. Today, March 17th, I am Irish. In the US it's usually good=20 enough. I am not Catholic -- so maybe I should wear orange instead. But, I don't=20 go in for the internecine political conflict part. In America it is easy to=20 be unaware of it. Today I'll just eat corned beef and cabbage (actually=20 an Irish American immigrant tradition) look for rainbows and 4-leaf=20 clovers, and tell my wife "Kiss me I'm Irish" . . . wear green and attempt=20 (badly) to speak in a brogue worthy of some naif breakfast cereal=20 commercial. I may even knock back a Guinness -- though I really should watch=20 my weight. Drinking a bottle of that stuff is like drinking a whole huge dark loaf of bread. Heheheh. Once a year and I'm good. Anyway, I am really sorry that offense was taken . . . none (surely) was=20 meant by my attempt to inject humor and a little color into our e-mail=20 in-boxes today. I guess since the Northern Irish conflict has been out=20 of the headlines in America, we tend to forget it's there. I'm not sure if that is where you're coming from but I am sorry nonetheless. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_36.6ec7d167.2f6b37c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many sincere apologies!

In my usual lunk-headed, Amero-central way I forgot that there are
folks in the world that don't particularly like the Irish. The last thing in the world I ever imagined my e-mail greeting would ever raise was
real "ire" (of the wrong, negative sort, and yes -- pun fully intended).

I am just the sort who is as likely send out a Cinco de Mayo greeting
on May the 5th -- even though I am not even a speck Hispanic or,
specifically, Mexican (though I went to college in Mexico) -- or a Yom
Kippur or a Chinese New Year greeting as anything else. I am neither
Jewish or Chinese if you must know.

I am probably only a little bit Irish. I've got as much Welsh, Scott,
English and German DNA in me (for that matter) as I do Irish --
possibly more. I am an American, so it almost goes without  saying
that I am (in dog parlance) a complete mutt and a mongrel . . . both
ethnically and culturally. I'm probably part Samoan and Eskimo
too (for all I know or care). Nothing is my own and everything is
my own. Today, March 17th, I am Irish. In the US it's usually good
enough.

I am not Catholic -- so maybe I should wear orange instead. But, I don't go in for the internecine political conflict part. In America it is easy to=20=
be unaware of it. Today I'll just eat corned beef  and cabbage (actual= ly
an Irish American immigrant tradition) look for rainbows and 4-leaf
clovers, and tell my wife "Kiss me I'm Irish" . . . wear green and attempt <= BR> (badly) to speak in a brogue worthy of some naif breakfast cereal
commercial.

I may even knock back a Guinness -- though I really should watch
my weight. Drinking a bottle of that stuff is like drinking a whole huge
dark loaf of bread. Heheheh. Once a year and I'm good.

Anyway, I am really sorry that offense was taken . . . none (surely) was meant by my attempt to inject humor and a little color into our e-mail
in-boxes today. I guess since the Northern Irish conflict has been out
of the headlines in America, we tend to forget it's there. I'm not sure if that is where you're coming from but I am sorry nonetheless.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_36.6ec7d167.2f6b37c3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 14:51:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HJlAH26044; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:47:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c52b29$e8d00e90$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <008401c52b1d$e6bfe9b0$0207a8c0@eluk> <4239CDF3.3040701@neoprimitive.net> <001101c52b20$d0734410$0207a8c0@eluk> <4239D11B.10509@neoprimitive.net> Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:45:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eh-hem, It was racism I complained about. Since when should ANY race be celebrated over any other? Why should any particular group of people have a unique date to celebrate something they have no control over, but persist in being proud of? You can't say that people who aren't Irish anywhere near Chicago, New York or Boston haven't had to suffer unnecessarily every year at this time. Or is the benchmark applied to everyone else not applicable here? Rubbish my foot. | Why don't you post some music instead of this racist rubbish. | | -J | | | Stephen Goodman wrote: | > | > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and | > | > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies. In any event I | > | > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the | > | > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the | > | > only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about | > | > everywhere there are English-speaking folks. I'd propose the renaming | > | > of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful | > | > near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"? I'd say | > | > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a | > | > waste of time, wouldn't it? | > | > | > | > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the | > | > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals | > | > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". Aye! | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 15:26:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HKL9E00340; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:21:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:21:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <288aa020a1f2dd498b1cb312038a0bd4@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:19:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm going to celebrate St Patrick's day by listening to Loreena McKennitt on my way to Champaign to spend a few hours on a well-maintained Moog IIIC modular synthesizer from 1968. on the way back we will stop at the Bloomington Jim's Steakhouse and drink heavily with my alcoholic lounge pianist friend who will most likely take silly photos of everyone involved and post them on his site ( http://www.expage.com/page/athomeatthepianobar ). i _may_ watch Blink when i get home to remind myself of what a great band The Drovers once were. another loop-friendly way to celebrate St Patrick's Day would be to listen to the soundtrack of Captive, by Michael Brook and the Edge. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 16:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HLRYA10730; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:27:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c52b38$0a083480$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: RE:Short track for y'all... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:26:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C52B40.6B82C240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C52B40.6B82C240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pretty cool jesse... can i stick it on my shoutcast radio station? That goes for any of you BTW.. I just set up a little station for fun, = so if anyone wants to send me mp3's to play... I will!! www.synchnonsynch.com/radio.htm mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C52B40.6B82C240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pretty cool jesse...
 
can i stick it on my shoutcast radio=20 station?
 
That goes for any of you BTW.. I just = set up a=20 little station for fun, so if anyone wants to send me mp3's to play... I = will!!
 
www.synchnonsynch.com/rad= io.htm
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C52B40.6B82C240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 17:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HMh8122769; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:43:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:43:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RlO4UYmqDjLGMl0NgSV0FwLSfzu7Zznoeb7vAqlK30UP3sGWiryy5vsb1sfYuk9EVusenUgLvU37WzGyFeI/v49cs6K+tLDPoSMU1nvet2pd9B+X7xJ9/zK83JGZjv6uUXBrerirI18taqGBdmr5OTjeBz9FcLqR3WDDu8Ou6sI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:42:20 -0600 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! In-Reply-To: <288aa020a1f2dd498b1cb312038a0bd4@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <288aa020a1f2dd498b1cb312038a0bd4@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to celebrate St Patrick's Day by doing a promotional performance on a local radio station with my celtic band Wylde Nept (done) and playing our biggest gig of the year tonight. Funny, we've been blamed for fueling the hostilities in Northern Ireland (really. a band in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. a band that doesn't even touch IRA songs. *shrug*) but we've never been called racist. Our performance will be all the more offensive to some since we: a) treat it a bit like Mardi Gras, complete with beads (though there's no obligation to be met in order to receive them) b) toss a giant papier-mache snake into the audience; the snake is chock full of "prizes" from a local $1 store c) don't use any looping devices However will I sleep tonight? Quite well, actually, after the post-gig high (adrenaline-induced) subsides. Slainte, Jon Southwood On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:19:50 -0600, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > i'm going to celebrate St Patrick's day by listening to Loreena > McKennitt on my way to Champaign to spend a few hours on a > well-maintained Moog IIIC modular synthesizer from 1968. > > on the way back we will stop at the Bloomington Jim's Steakhouse and > drink heavily with my alcoholic lounge pianist friend who will most > likely take silly photos of everyone involved and post them on his site > ( http://www.expage.com/page/athomeatthepianobar ). > > i _may_ watch Blink when i get home to remind myself of what a great > band The Drovers once were. > > another loop-friendly way to celebrate St Patrick's Day would be to > listen to the soundtrack of Captive, by Michael Brook and the Edge. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 18:10:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2HN4VY26982; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:04:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Z2EpYuRliujvNxavDZnZlhe5CO/hkuuxz3mebALJx27NFxqMnqEtnsw9bi5p8gy2d+nIZ+oQ/SmLv0I5bgzWZ1BlQD48JVA44jJl+0AteG8PrFTvsRoUHFZivbWDrtDQyHOlTJeywIGqA//P0/lo73kYCyQSrbbxJQowpcCctOM= ; Message-ID: <20050317230329.24956.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT - Saint Paddy's Day Greetings! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I may even knock back a Guinness -- though I really > should watch > my weight. Drinking a bottle of that stuff is like > drinking a whole huge > dark loaf of bread. Heheheh. Once a year and I'm > good. Hey Ted, One entire side of the 15 story hotel I stayed at last week in NYC was a huge, towering Guinness billboard. The spin of their copy in that ad was that a bottle of Guinness only contains 120 (or was it 125?) calories, which is comparable with pretty much any non-lite beer. Hopefully that'll make you feel better as you indulge. :P Personally, I just can't wait for Arbor Day, -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 20:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2I1Reb17061; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:27:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:27:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.5959ca0a.2f6b885e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:26:54 EST Subject: Breaking out of the box To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.5959ca0a.2f6b885e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12a.5959ca0a.2f6b885e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here is another resource for hearing a wide and varied group of looping styles.....this is ROBIN HAAS' two cds of the y2k3 SANTA CRUZ LOOPFEST.....30 different loopers all playing live.....this may be your only chance to hear standamaninsanfran.....i don't know why it says spell-check Click Here: Check out "Y2K3 spell-check" --part1_12a.5959ca0a.2f6b885e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here is another resource for hearing a wide= and varied group of looping styles.....this is ROBIN HAAS' two cds of the y= 2k3 SANTA CRUZ LOOPFEST.....30 different loopers all playing live.....this m= ay be your only chance to hear standamaninsanfran.....i don't know why it sa= ys spell-check Cl= ick Here: Check out "Y2K3 spell-check" --part1_12a.5959ca0a.2f6b885e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 21:37:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2I2X0f27879; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:33:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:33:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97b01896989ec3ad784f92de563ae1da@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:32:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok. it was inevitable. i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. it only fell a few feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it mangled! the aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into the chassis because the seams don't match up. my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and doesn't look nearly as bad. does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing without voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up the looping list so feel free to reply off-list. fiddlesticks! z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 17 22:19:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2I3GFq03314; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:15:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200503172215.AA752091372@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <6aY1CC.A.vy.NfkOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the exact same thing happen to my 12" PB not so long ago. The denting was just around the battery compartment. With some needle-nose pliers I was able to bend it back into shape mostly without having to do anything other than having the battery out. If you have AppleCare, don't bother, they will take care of you. If you don't, you might want to price out some non-Apple-owned repair shops. I know there are several in the SF area. Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Zoe Keating Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:32:04 -0800 >ok. it was inevitable. > >i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. it only fell a few >feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it mangled! the >aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into the chassis >because the seams don't match up. > >my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and doesn't look nearly as >bad. > >does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing without >voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up the looping list so >feel free to reply off-list. > >fiddlesticks! > >z > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith remove "online" from reply address Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 01:56:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2I6qm201394; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:52:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:52:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:51:12 -0500 From: "dominic frasca" Subject: Please don't miss this show To: Message-id: <002101c52b86$dff0f610$6402a8c0@focus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C52B5C.F68BF480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C52B5C.F68BF480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone,=20 My name is Dominic Frasca, I am a guitarist from New York City. I have = just recently opened a 5.1 surround sound club here in the city. Last = year I was turned onto Andre LaFosse via David Torn. I quickly became a = fan of what he was doing. I must admit I know absolutely nothing about = looping, but I knew when I got Andre's CD I liked what I heard. So when = I decided to build this space I booked Andre to come play. I gave him = one condition which was he had to use 5 echoplexes, one for each = speaker. Andre excepted the challenge and began preparing . This week = Andre arrived to start rehearsals for what would be a 3 show run here at = The Monkey and the result is absolutely mind altering. I can honestly = say this week has been one of the most musically inspirational moments = in my life. Andre has taken the guitar , expanded it and evolved it into = a completely new instrument. His command not only of the guitar but also = of the echoplex is stunning.But it goes much deeper than just what he is = able to do as an instrumentalist. He is using these instruments to = create music that is original and at the same time relevant. The sound = that he is creating using 5 echoplexes is really indescribable. I know I = am a crasher to the loop community and I apologize for that. But if = there is anyway you are able to make it to see one of his shows this = weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please do. It really is = something special and I would love for as many people to hear this as = possible because I don't know when I will be able to get 5 echoplexes = and Andre in here again. So if you are interest in coming please call = 212 481 1601 for reservations or you can get tickets @ = www.dominicfrasca.com.=20 The shows are Friday 8:00 pm, Saturday at 8:00pm and Sunday @ 4:00 pm. = The space is located @ 37 w 26th st Suite 1201.( between 6th and Bway) I hope to see you there thanks for your time Dominic Frasca ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C52B5C.F68BF480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Everyone,
My name is Dominic Frasca, I am a = guitarist from=20 New York City. I have just recently opened a 5.1 surround = sound club here=20 in the city. Last year I was turned onto Andre LaFosse via = David=20 Torn. I quickly became a fan of what he was doing. I must admit I = know=20 absolutely nothing about looping, but I knew when I got Andre's CD = I liked=20 what I heard. So when I decided to build this space I booked Andre = to come=20 play. I gave him one condition which was he had to use 5 echoplexes, one = for=20 each speaker. Andre excepted the challenge and began preparing . This = week Andre=20 arrived to start rehearsals for what would be a 3 show run here at The = Monkey=20 and the result is absolutely mind altering. I can honestly say this week = has=20 been one of the most musically inspirational moments in my life. Andre = has taken=20 the guitar , expanded it and evolved it into a completely new = instrument. His=20 command not only of the guitar but also of the echoplex is = stunning.But it=20 goes much deeper than just what he is able to do as an = instrumentalist. He=20 is using these instruments to create music that is original and at = the same=20 time relevant. The sound that he is creating using 5 echoplexes is = really=20 indescribable. I know I am a crasher to the loop community and I = apologize for=20 that. But if there is anyway you are able to make it to see one of his = shows=20 this weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please do. It = really is=20 something special and I would  love for as many people to hear this = as=20 possible because I don't know when I will be able to get 5 echoplexes = and Andre=20 in here again. So if you are interest in coming please call 212 481 1601 = for=20 reservations or you can get tickets @ www.dominicfrasca.com. =
 
The shows are Friday 8:00 pm, Saturday = at 8:00pm=20 and Sunday @ 4:00 pm. The space is located @ 37 w 26th st  Suite = 1201.(=20 between 6th and Bway)
I hope to see you there
thanks for your time
Dominic=20 Frasca
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C52B5C.F68BF480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 02:10:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2I77J004318; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:07:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.208.54] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <97b01896989ec3ad784f92de563ae1da@zoekeating.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 07:06:30.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[02EAE6B0:01C52B89] Resent-Message-ID: <9NYcVB.A.dCB.93nOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gaffer's Tape? does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 02:13:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2I7AkS05212; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:10:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:10:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002101c52b86$dff0f610$6402a8c0@focus> References: <002101c52b86$dff0f610$6402a8c0@focus> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:10:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Please don't miss this show Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:51 AM -0500 3/18/05, dominic frasca wrote: >The sound that [Andre] is creating using 5 echoplexes is really >indescribable...if there is anyway you are able to make it to see >one of his shows this weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please >do. I wish I could be there, but I'm in Los Angeles. I saw Andre at the Ethel concert in LA recently, and we talked at length about his upcoming gig at the Monkey. At the time he already had some strong ideas about the approach he would take and I'm glad to know that it's becoming a strong reality (though I really had no doubts that he'd succeed). I also spoke to Todd Reynolds about his own experience at the Monkey. It sounds like you're doing a good thing and I hope the next time I'm in the are (perhaps July) you'll have something on. I certainly hope others will be able to and interested in following your lead and will establish venues for multichannel surround sound throughout the US. There are a number of such venues in Canada and in Europe. Last week I attended an 8-channel concert in a church here in Studio City (it was the second of a series of four such concerts). Perhaps this venue would be a suitable location for a West Coast version of Andre's surround excursions. I'll look into it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 03:23:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2I8JX917691; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:19:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:19:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:17:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Please don't miss this show From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd here... I myself am sorry to miss andre's show this weekend as I'm sitting in Milan's airport typing this and here in italy for a week (everybody say AWWW) , HOWEVER I can say that my own experience of doing dominic's space led me to do my solo show last night - in a concert hall- and in quad. It was delightful. 8 meyer speakers, all coming out of my powerbook. A rewarding and enveloping experience for all, and one that I plan to repeat regularly. Best to all... Todd On 3/18/05 2:10 AM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 1:51 AM -0500 3/18/05, dominic frasca wrote: > >> The sound that [Andre] is creating using 5 echoplexes is really >> indescribable...if there is anyway you are able to make it to see >> one of his shows this weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please >> do. > > I wish I could be there, but I'm in Los Angeles. > > I saw Andre at the Ethel concert in LA recently, and we talked at > length about his upcoming gig at the Monkey. At the time he already > had some strong ideas about the approach he would take and I'm glad > to know that it's becoming a strong reality (though I really had no > doubts that he'd succeed). > > I also spoke to Todd Reynolds about his own experience at the Monkey. > It sounds like you're doing a good thing and I hope the next time > I'm in the are (perhaps July) you'll have something on. > > I certainly hope others will be able to and interested in following > your lead and will establish venues for multichannel surround sound > throughout the US. There are a number of such venues in Canada and in > Europe. > > Last week I attended an 8-channel concert in a church here in Studio > City (it was the second of a series of four such concerts). Perhaps > this venue would be a suitable location for a West Coast version of > Andre's surround excursions. I'll look into it. -- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 05:08:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IA5wa00947; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:05:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:05:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:05:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c52ba1$f59a5b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <97b01896989ec3ad784f92de563ae1da@zoekeating.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2IA3lx00456 Resent-Message-ID: <60r1OB.A.uH.EeqOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most of the people on this list seem to agree that laptops only pose problems: impractical design, nearly gets killed when falling to the floor etc. Why don't you all get industry pc's? There are the variants in 19'' rack cases (which you can even build yourself using standard components), and there are even very small variants with passive cooling (i.e. nearly no noise!) - try www.digitallogic.ch Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 18. März 2005 03:32 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! ok. it was inevitable. i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. it only fell a few feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it mangled! the aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into the chassis because the seams don't match up. my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and doesn't look nearly as bad. does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing without voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up the looping list so feel free to reply off-list. fiddlesticks! z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 07:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ICEMc19205; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:14:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:14:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.81] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000401c52ba1$f59a5b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:13:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 12:13:25.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2E02D50:01C52BB3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to withstand anything up to a direct hit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 08:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IDQTg31131; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pdwBkv0JUs2euhW6wRJKvqqBn5lF/wmAudyOOLbwAPEMtv9wXSLjqhXWKFF85aAJ76ouFLzU7r9MoPQVY5kutkezWKTQhM2uPtxOBC0ep9FsbjOcwVPu3HQTjy9eqe7MoN13Q5s0tX8AyFRDg85b7qcz9cPyGcYCvZs9KsbIpHg= ; Message-ID: <20050318132523.25283.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eek! Do you have Applecare, by chance? If so, I'd suggest going that route... Mike --- Zoe Keating wrote: > ok. it was inevitable. > > i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. > it only fell a few > feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it > mangled! the > aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into > the chassis > because the seams don't match up. > > my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and > doesn't look nearly as > bad. > > does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a > thing without > voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up > the looping list so > feel free to reply off-list. > > fiddlesticks! > > z > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 09:44:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IEfgk13349; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:41:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:41:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002101c52b86$dff0f610$6402a8c0@focus> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Please don't miss this show Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:40:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 14:40:52.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BF51500:01C52BC8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just please tell me that you will find a way to record this show in 5.1 surround! :) >From: "dominic frasca" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Please don't miss this show >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:51:12 -0500 > >Hi Everyone, >My name is Dominic Frasca, I am a guitarist from New York City. I have just >recently opened a 5.1 surround sound club here in the city. Last year I was >turned onto Andre LaFosse via David Torn. I quickly became a fan of what he >was doing. I must admit I know absolutely nothing about looping, but I knew >when I got Andre's CD I liked what I heard. So when I decided to build this >space I booked Andre to come play. I gave him one condition which was he >had to use 5 echoplexes, one for each speaker. Andre excepted the challenge >and began preparing . This week Andre arrived to start rehearsals for what >would be a 3 show run here at The Monkey and the result is absolutely mind >altering. I can honestly say this week has been one of the most musically >inspirational moments in my life. Andre has taken the guitar , expanded it >and evolved it into a completely new instrument. His command not only of >the guitar but also of the echoplex is stunning.But it goes much deeper >than just what he is able to do as an instrumentalist. He is using these >instruments to create music that is original and at the same time relevant. >The sound that he is creating using 5 echoplexes is really indescribable. I >know I am a crasher to the loop community and I apologize for that. But if >there is anyway you are able to make it to see one of his shows this >weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please do. It really is something >special and I would love for as many people to hear this as possible >because I don't know when I will be able to get 5 echoplexes and Andre in >here again. So if you are interest in coming please call 212 481 1601 for >reservations or you can get tickets @ www.dominicfrasca.com. > >The shows are Friday 8:00 pm, Saturday at 8:00pm and Sunday @ 4:00 pm. The >space is located @ 37 w 26th st Suite 1201.( between 6th and Bway) >I hope to see you there >thanks for your time >Dominic Frasca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 10:01:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IEwOH16355; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:58:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:58:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=j1G2bWQa6Sn7K7n6CFQ1OgrQESf8HczWXJDF1F5fhxv0BlB27mMTJe2IQkDxCiw8c1YCHYSTu/CeCPk2OrWT39x4foGnl/4FT6vznqkQHZTwEYViwJQ/B/70AKS+Mf2QV8jZDvMQSRSUmax7wPf6M+snB70OkfrgMwEvZ7Qohuk= ; Message-ID: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:56:31 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Laptop / small mixer stands To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there are several of us that use laptops in our music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure the laptop during a show, or do you just find a convenient table to put your gear on? I also have a small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on a stand of some kind for convenience. Anyone know of something that works for this type of thing? This is feeling familiar to me. Did I already ask this question? =) Sorry, if so. Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 10:03:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IEtxp15752; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:55:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:55:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=QZeiuYpMPKChRADQelzioFMjs96iETOqKBpqyO1bM+3Fb3ZoRVJaOM0CPVyft41jRmNNKjCxDOTwyJ3E8C40cv63Ie83v+r2nT7bOBljk+SSy7MoMIArxv1kZ0H1oLZ/2TV/4H98KPgtvoe7Heo0MwXrXxF8Y6SaqGw1bAFQ57M= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:55:15 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <000401c52ba1$f59a5b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: <56dUND.A.k0D.YvuOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow--if they could just migrate some of that technology to their Humvees.... This morning I saw ads for Panasonic "Toughbooks". Does anyone know the ratio of marketing hype to acutal performance for the physical ruggedness of those notebooks? On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:13:25 -0800, samba - wrote: > There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to > withstand anything up to a direct hit. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 10:12:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IF9vA19663; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:09:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:09:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RX51NXgieFLfEqlxgfsOBgvDM7KZ4gnAi6RmdowNkNiRWET+daKdiY0fVgy5aQl2RWf1ITTQAPCdETpE1jhZPujYoQ4nwjn7fGCCEmm0lo5qyh5Rrjr5meXOlgBCsdVHx3uif+CECkYMfCPEG1N4/lvQt+V7yfH1YTsGM9J8do8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:09:23 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands In-Reply-To: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9cmmg.A.DyE.q8uOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For small mixers, samplers, tabletop effects units I use one of those OnStage music stands--the one with the wide tripod base. They're about $40. For larger surface area and more stable platform I'd go with a double brace keyboard stand with either a keyboard/guitar case on top or piece of plywood cut to an appropriate size. On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:56:31 -0800 (PST), mike feeney wrote: > > Since there are several of us that use laptops in our > music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure > the laptop during a show, or do you just find a > convenient table to put your gear on? I also have a > small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's > reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on > a stand of some kind for convenience. > > Anyone know of something that works for this type of > thing? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 10:27:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IFOiN21851; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:24:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:23:38 -0500 From: "dominic frasca" Subject: Re: Please don't miss this show To: Message-id: <000601c52bce$78c9de00$6402a8c0@focus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! All the shows will be recorded . Each echoplex is recorded onto a separate track as is his live guitar. I have already recorded a run-through show and it is really amazing sounding. We should have the multi-channel DVD audio and SACD disk available this summer. Thanks Dominic ----- Original Message ----- From: "jj 179" To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Please don't miss this show > Just please tell me that you will find a way to record this show in 5.1 > surround! :) > > >>From: "dominic frasca" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: >>Subject: Please don't miss this show >>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:51:12 -0500 >> >>Hi Everyone, >>My name is Dominic Frasca, I am a guitarist from New York City. I have >>just recently opened a 5.1 surround sound club here in the city. Last year >>I was turned onto Andre LaFosse via David Torn. I quickly became a fan of >>what he was doing. I must admit I know absolutely nothing about looping, >>but I knew when I got Andre's CD I liked what I heard. So when I decided >>to build this space I booked Andre to come play. I gave him one condition >>which was he had to use 5 echoplexes, one for each speaker. Andre excepted >>the challenge and began preparing . This week Andre arrived to start >>rehearsals for what would be a 3 show run here at The Monkey and the >>result is absolutely mind altering. I can honestly say this week has been >>one of the most musically inspirational moments in my life. Andre has >>taken the guitar , expanded it and evolved it into a completely new >>instrument. His command not only of the guitar but also of the echoplex is >>stunning.But it goes much deeper than just what he is able to do as an >>instrumentalist. He is using these instruments to create music that is >>original and at the same time relevant. The sound that he is creating >>using 5 echoplexes is really indescribable. I know I am a crasher to the >>loop community and I apologize for that. But if there is anyway you are >>able to make it to see one of his shows this weekend at the Monkey in New >>York City, please do. It really is something special and I would love for >>as many people to hear this as possible because I don't know when I will >>be able to get 5 echoplexes and Andre in here again. So if you are >>interest in coming please call 212 481 1601 for reservations or you can >>get tickets @ www.dominicfrasca.com. >> >>The shows are Friday 8:00 pm, Saturday at 8:00pm and Sunday @ 4:00 pm. The >>space is located @ 37 w 26th st Suite 1201.( between 6th and Bway) >>I hope to see you there >>thanks for your time >>Dominic Frasca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 11:11:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IG77I07138; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <8QtymC.A.jrB.nxvOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't answer. I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here: 1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R) -> QuadraVerb (L/R) -> Line-in (PC) or 2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono) -> QuadraVerb (mono) -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R) -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R) -> Line-in (PC) The reason for such would be obvious to a 1202vlz user, as both Aux Returns on the Mackie are Mono out. The Main Outs of course are Stereo, which the QuadraVerb accepts. On one level the simplicity of signal path in #1 would attract, and I've used that config for a while. But I wonder about using the Aux 2 for the QV instead, and what advantages or disadvantages this approach would bring. Would it introduce a muddy, less-distinct result of output? Is this something one learns to put up with as a result of using a QV in the Aux signal path? Thanks in advance. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 11:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IGKNJ09646; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <423B0046.80405@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:22:31 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List , WDIY Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #417 for March 17, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050317.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #417 March 17, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American Ambient master Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Streams and Currents" by Steve Roach on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Wunjo" by Giles Reaves on MCA Records released in 1986. Steve Roach - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar Giles Reaves - http://spaceformusic.com/gilesreaves.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm Giles Reaves Sowelu * Wunjo (MCA) VA [Ken Martin] Space Cruise E-dition #6 (Groove) Binar The Truth Sets Us Free Project Poltergeist (Bogus (Part 2) Focus) NON FINIRe mai Sofiak Pilotinstaller (Energo) Headshock The River Music from Peak Experience (Bogus Focus) Headshock Crimson Music from Peak Experience (Bogus Focus) Headshock The Manor House Music from Peak Experience (Bogus Focus) Steve Roach Present Moment Streams and Currents (Projekt) 12:00 am Steve Roach Spirit Moves Streams and Currents (Projekt) Steve Roach Slow Rising Streams and Currents (Projekt) Steve Roach Almost Touching Streams and Currents (Projekt) Steve Roach Ebb Streams and Currents (Projekt) Steve Roach Flow Streams and Currents (Projekt) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mantram" by Steve Roach, Byron Metcalf, and Mark Seelig on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Romance 76" by Peter Baumann on Virgin Records from 1976. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 11:30:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IGQgs10808; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ic9JdI3YDJsHDzqOUm2wn2ONLeTZDLtL7Ch15R+wjktWxtQlKhbHGzmUq9Es0y+zmSBQgtIGD9Pad5Y4yKvNMcJmyTSJMT3VCo4dDSMQBCzeX5l9Bi08meN7M8CQLBL57lP8lYS4RAU2Wi0TzQKtx3bxYnvRD1CsfUpwraP4Z2I= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:26:05 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question In-Reply-To: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It depends on how much crucial stereo information is coming from your source, because all that will be lost if you use the Aux send. I'd suggest recording the stereo output of whatever you're using and then running it back into the mixer and do an a/b test with the QV in both points in the signal chain and see if it makes a significant difference to your ears. On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:55 -0000, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't answer. > > I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here: > > 1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R) > -> QuadraVerb (L/R) > -> Line-in (PC) > > or > > 2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono) > -> QuadraVerb (mono) > -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out > -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R) > -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R) > -> Line-in (PC) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 12:15:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IH8XQ19503; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-IronPort-AV: i="3.91,102,1110171600"; d="scan'208"; a="12225053:sNHT152055478" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050318085933.01a3a350@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:59:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: AW: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! In-Reply-To: References: <000401c52ba1$f59a5b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html At 2005.03.18 04:13 AM, samba - wrote: > There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to > withstand anything up to a direct hit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 12:19:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IHE1w20255; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:14:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:14:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CnMlVAdZdpU7kN/KKjIajAWQuuqm/MrOT+PyQsQmchls4P9EpWXQX5OYbTjWGrOEXDPOmonQlXA+MPzW4MCthoN13AEWcFXO7BX9Ws4CJMH8d5EuZcEwq8ycb52qlUtzrv6SqxSpIhDL74QZJ0C0ZjlPfQR8AFBsWLpZ49b95rM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:13:20 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050318085933.01a3a350@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <000401c52ba1$f59a5b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318085933.01a3a350@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4fLj7B.A.v7E.4wwOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah--but I always have my laptop at a height greater than 36" from the ground when I'm performing. Do you have any links for really rugged laptops? On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:59:44 -0800, Sean Echevarria wrote: > http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html > > At 2005.03.18 04:13 AM, samba - wrote: > > There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to > > withstand anything up to a direct hit. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 13:41:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IIau801968; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:36:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:36:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:35:01 EST Subject: Re: Please don't miss this show To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ff.f87d899.2f6c7955_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ff.f87d899.2f6c7955_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dominic, et al, I have been familiar with Andre's music since I attended=20 his senior recital at Cal Arts almost a decade or more ago (gosh time flies). God strike me dead if his playing and general concept wasn't as stunning (and very nearly as=20 advanced) then as it is now. I have learned a lot more from 30 minutes watching the guy than he'll ever know.=20 He's brilliant -- and if you're anywhere within 250 miles=20 of this gig you really owe it to yourself to go. I'm up in Oregon=20 and am sorely, sorely tempted to cash in my frequent flyer=20 miles on this one (the wife would kill me though, as we've=20 got summer vacation plans for those tickets).=20 Seriously! Get your buns there if it is at all possible. You'll be=20 telling your grandkids about it someday. Think you're a looper? Go see the master of the craft. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_ff.f87d899.2f6c7955_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dominic, et al,

I have been familiar with Andre's music since I attended
his senior recital at Cal Arts almost a decade or more ago
(gosh time flies). God strike me dead if his playing and
general concept wasn't as stunning (and very nearly as
advanced) then as it is now. I have learned a lot more
from 30 minutes watching the guy than he'll ever know.

He's brilliant -- and if you're anywhere within 250 miles
of this gig you really owe it to yourself to go. I'm up in Oregon
and am sorely, sorely tempted to cash in my frequent flyer
miles on this one (the wife would kill me though, as we've
got summer vacation plans for those tickets).

Seriously! Get your buns there if it is at all possible. You'll be
telling your grandkids about it someday. Think you're a looper?
Go see the master of the craft.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_ff.f87d899.2f6c7955_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 13:43:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IIdlh02498; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:39:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:39:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:38:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The real question is whether or not the QV processes in stereo or simply sums the input to mono. If the latter, the second way makes a lot more sense to me. Using the aux will allow the user to put effects on any of the channels in any amount desired rather than having a global amount on everything all the time. So, the other real question is: What do you have going into the mixer? Edwin At 8:26 AM -0800 3/18/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: >It depends on how much crucial stereo information is coming from your >source, because all that will be lost if you use the Aux send. I'd >suggest recording the stereo output of whatever you're using and then >running it back into the mixer and do an a/b test with the QV in both >points in the signal chain and see if it makes a significant >difference to your ears. > > > > >On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:55 -0000, Stephen Goodman > wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't answer. >> >> I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here: >> >> 1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R) >> -> QuadraVerb (L/R) >> -> Line-in (PC) >> >> or >> >> 2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono) >> -> QuadraVerb (mono) >> -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out >> -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R) >> -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R) >> -> Line-in (PC) >> -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 14:06:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IJ2tE08314; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:02:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c52bec$edd96210$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:01:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Edwin Hurwitz" | The real question is whether or not the QV processes in stereo or | simply sums the input to mono. If the latter, the second way makes a | lot more sense to me. Using the aux will allow the user to put | effects on any of the channels in any amount desired rather than | having a global amount on everything all the time. | | So, the other real question is: What do you have going into the mixer? 1 - Shure SM57 2 - Mini-cassette recorder 3-4 - Empty 5 - Stereo L of Zoom 2100 #1 6 - Stereo R of Zoom 2100 #1 7 - Stereo L of Zoom 2100 #2 8 - Stereo R of Zoom 2100 #2 9-12 Empty Aux 1 Out - DDS 7.6 "Time Machine" Input Aux 1 In L - DDS 7.6 "Time Machine" Mix Out Aux 1 In R - DDS 7.6 "Time Machine" (either Dry or Phase Out) I am beginning to suspect that approach #2 with the QV on Aux 2 would be good only if I wanted to use a variable amount of effect from the QV on different tracks, while concurrently capturing through the mixer. Is the lightbulb coming on for me, if a bit dimly here? :) | | Edwin | | | | | | | At 8:26 AM -0800 3/18/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: | >It depends on how much crucial stereo information is coming from your | >source, because all that will be lost if you use the Aux send. I'd | >suggest recording the stereo output of whatever you're using and then | >running it back into the mixer and do an a/b test with the QV in both | >points in the signal chain and see if it makes a significant | >difference to your ears. | > | > | > | > | >On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:55 -0000, Stephen Goodman | > wrote: | >> Hi Folks, | >> | >> Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't answer. | >> | >> I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here: | >> | >> 1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R) | >> -> QuadraVerb (L/R) | >> -> Line-in (PC) | >> | >> or | >> | >> 2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono) | >> -> QuadraVerb (mono) | >> -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out | >> -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R) | >> -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R) | >> -> Line-in (PC) | >> | | | -- | | Edwin Hurwitz | Boulder CO | http://www.indra.com/~edwin | http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 14:17:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IJE8O10368; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:14:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:14:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050318132523.25283.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050318132523.25283.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:13:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, I have applecare. but my reading of the fine print is that customer stupidity/abuse is not covered! On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:25 AM, mike feeney wrote: > Eek! > > Do you have Applecare, by chance? If so, I'd suggest > going that route... > > Mike > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: >> ok. it was inevitable. >> >> i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. >> it only fell a few >> feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it >> mangled! the >> aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into >> the chassis >> because the seams don't match up. >> >> my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and >> doesn't look nearly as >> bad. >> >> does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a >> thing without >> voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up >> the looping list so >> feel free to reply off-list. >> >> fiddlesticks! >> >> z >> >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 14:23:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IJLCV11742; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:21:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7515697fc8ae8ba5876c06753f3932eb@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:19:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7yIUeB.A.gyC.9myOCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the footprint of my rack. the computer, and tiny preamp sit on top. the preamp, and nearly every piece of gear i own, is covered in industrial stick-on velcro (this stuff is great!) . ironically, the the computer is not because, erp, I didn't want to "ruin" it! So after yesterday's incident methinks that the bottom of the computer could be covered in velcro and stuck onto the velcro top of the rack. Just a few strips would do it, to allow for cooling. On Mar 18, 2005, at 6:56 AM, mike feeney wrote: > > Since there are several of us that use laptops in our > music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure > the laptop during a show, or do you just find a > convenient table to put your gear on? I also have a > small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's > reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on > a stand of some kind for convenience. > > Anyone know of something that works for this type of > thing? > > This is feeling familiar to me. Did I already ask > this question? =) Sorry, if so. > > Mike > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 14:31:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IJT5S13213; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:29:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:29:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000401c52ba1$f59a5b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318085933.01a3a350@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: AW: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:28:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bumpers. we need rubber bumpers. the separate looping machine is a good idea. a friend of mine who projects his animated artwork regularly at events (www.spotworks.com and www.electricsheep.org), created a sexy little computer brick (with handles!) that contains his runs his software. i'll ask him what it is... On Mar 18, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Yeah--but I always have my laptop at a height greater than 36" from > the ground when I'm performing. Do you have any links for really > rugged laptops? > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:59:44 -0800, Sean Echevarria > wrote: >> http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html >> >> At 2005.03.18 04:13 AM, samba - wrote: >>> There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to >>> withstand anything up to a direct hit. >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 14:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IJRcU12984; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <7515697fc8ae8ba5876c06753f3932eb@zoekeating.com> References: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> <7515697fc8ae8ba5876c06753f3932eb@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:27:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the footprint > of my rack. and where did you find this table, if i may be so bold as to ask? i've been on the lookout for awhile for a small, somewhat low (i generally perform seated) table that i can have my laptop and/or effects boxes within easy hands reach. thanks bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 14:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IJgwo16657; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:42:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:42:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <20aec832aede2ed17da896608654cee0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:12:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:56, mike feeney wrote: > > Since there are several of us that use laptops in our > music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure > the laptop during a show, or do you just find a > convenient table to put your gear on? I also have a > small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's > reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on > a stand of some kind for convenience. > > Anyone know of something that works for this type of > thing? I usually put it as safe as possible; a big table by my side or I'll hide it behind something. Because I have a midi foot pedal board I don't need to see the screen all the time. However, I need to reach a hand manipulated midi mixer/interface (either a UC-33 or a MicroKontrol). These I usually put on a chair close to me or, if there is a table I put it there with the laptop. I try to set the system up in a way that I have foot buttons or midi mixer buttons for everything I need to do in software. Last week I was watching a duo perform and one of the guy had put his Dell laptop on a floor tom. When they started playing the bass rumble had the tom resonating and the computer slid off and hit the floor. It crashed on the first downbeat of a new bar and the music stopped in a way that could have been arranged that way. But the concert was over. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 14:53:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IJoB817595; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:50:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:50:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> <7515697fc8ae8ba5876c06753f3932eb@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90ad73dc8f2be8e1a64929bc4cb572ed@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:49:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got it last year at Bed, Bath and....BEYOND. $9.99 On Mar 18, 2005, at 11:27 AM, bruce tovsky wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > >> i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the footprint >> of my rack. > > and where did you find this table, if i may be so bold as to ask? > i've been on the lookout for awhile for a small, somewhat low > (i generally perform seated) table that i can have my laptop > and/or effects boxes within easy hands reach. > thanks > bruce > > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 15:59:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2IKo8r29488; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:50:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <90ad73dc8f2be8e1a64929bc4cb572ed@zoekeating.com> References: <20050318145631.12910.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> <7515697fc8ae8ba5876c06753f3932eb@zoekeating.com> <90ad73dc8f2be8e1a64929bc4cb572ed@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3d34e94846ce4d79481bd1602a5e4cf9@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:48:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, now that's a deal any musician would love... thanks for the tip. bruce On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > I got it last year at Bed, Bath and....BEYOND. $9.99 > > On Mar 18, 2005, at 11:27 AM, bruce tovsky wrote: > >> >> On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: >> >>> i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the >>> footprint of my rack. >> >> and where did you find this table, if i may be so bold as to ask? >> i've been on the lookout for awhile for a small, somewhat low >> (i generally perform seated) table that i can have my laptop >> and/or effects boxes within easy hands reach. >> thanks >> bruce >> >> >> bruce tovsky >> www.skeletonhome.com >> >> >> > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 16:39:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ILZ5a05121; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:35:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:35:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <75.4169a762.2f6ca31a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:33:14 EST Subject: Re: Please don't miss this show To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.4169a762.2f6ca31a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_75.4169a762.2f6ca31a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/05 1:35:53 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Think you're a looper? > yes --part1_75.4169a762.2f6ca31a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/18/05 1:35:53 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Think you're a looper?


yes
--part1_75.4169a762.2f6ca31a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 16:43:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ILWm504433; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:30:18 EST Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_da.21d6b3fb.2f6ca26a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_da.21d6b3fb.2f6ca26a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stephen.....i have a mackie 1202 vlz and an alesis QUADRAVERB 2 (Q2).....i have the Q2 in AUX SEND 1 and out of the Q2 back into the STEREO AUX RETURN.....i go out of THE MAIN OUT of my mackie to usb to computer.....the 2nd. aux send goes to my looping stuff and then back into the mackie.....mk --part1_da.21d6b3fb.2f6ca26a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable stephen.....i have a mackie 1202 vlz and an= alesis QUADRAVERB 2 (Q2).....i have the Q2 in AUX SEND 1 and out of the Q2=20= back into the STEREO AUX RETURN.....i go out of THE MAIN OUT of my mackie to= usb to computer.....the 2nd. aux send goes to my looping stuff and then bac= k into the mackie.....mk --part1_da.21d6b3fb.2f6ca26a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 16:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ILoXA07212; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.f521e0b.2f6ca6de@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:49:18 EST Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13c.f521e0b.2f6ca6de_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13c.f521e0b.2f6ca6de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/05 10:09:49 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > I use one of those > OnStage music stands > travis.....i was thinking this exactly and also like zoe lots of velcro.....how hard to drill thru these stands to put wires thru?.....this way i could not only stand and play but the masses will be able to see me turning knobs and pushing buttons.....i'm off to the store --part1_13c.f521e0b.2f6ca6de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/18/05 10:09:49 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:


I use one of those
OnStage music stands


travis.....i was thinking this exactly and also like zoe lots of velcro.....= how hard to drill thru these stands to put wires thru?.....this way i could=20= not only stand and play but the masses will be able to see me turning knobs=20= and pushing buttons.....i'm off to the store
--part1_13c.f521e0b.2f6ca6de_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 16:57:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ILrFh07520; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:53:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:53:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CJMP+Ltlx7nvhNZohL69gdpIrPKH+A/SxfuDtUwavU6lXv5/H69nRenfR/F69/wSh39zB7cumiDSPcf59jEAHq8UngFtrPHNhWFNLwnHDM7ATR6kJBDBYmpN5S2AGw5z+FwRQDHIuqih6jHoIq+JwjqlZkEavoj9XZ2ot85VhSM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:52:22 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands In-Reply-To: <13c.f521e0b.2f6ca6de@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <13c.f521e0b.2f6ca6de@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's thin metal, it'd be quite easy to drill through. I used to keep a groove box and a sampler on one and you could easily adjust them to the necessary height for standing or sitting while playing. On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:49:18 EST, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/18/05 10:09:49 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > > > > I use one of those > OnStage music stands > > > travis.....i was thinking this exactly and also like zoe lots of From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 17:13:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ILvc508578; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:57:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:57:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Think you're a looper? (was: Please don't miss this show) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:56:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <75.4169a762.2f6ca31a@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcUsArPq/cBrOxKHTI6cwdXdGL580AAAPFAg Message-Id: <20050318215650.JTDP2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopies, I have been lucky enough to see Andre play four times--I missed the Giants of Looping tour with Walker, Manring and Lawson tho 8( He is certainly the best at what he does! And I wish him luck tonight . . . He is certainly putting on a "looping show", and I hope to read about it in People magazine and see him on Entertainment Tonight. If there is a lesson to be learned from him (and the other gentlemen I mentioned), it might be to "know your tools" and then forget about them--and the rules . . . What does it take to be a looper? My litmus test is, does most of your "stage time" involve the use of a looping recorder or delay with enough time to satisfy your requirements-- If you do it on one song in a set, and that one song is mostly looping, that is a "looping song"-- But that was not a "looping set", hence you are not a looper, although you might be a "looping artist". I love these tags, but they are arbitrary--I would go see Andre even if he wasn't using an Echoplex--he is a musician, and that's all any of us can aspire to be. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 18:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2INE9K21460; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:14:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:14:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c52c0f$f4428960$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:12:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com stephen.....i have a mackie 1202 vlz and an alesis QUADRAVERB 2 (Q2).....i have the Q2 in AUX SEND 1 and out of the Q2 back into the STEREO AUX RETURN.....i go out of THE MAIN OUT of my mackie to usb to computer.....the 2nd. aux send goes to my looping stuff and then back into the mackie.....mk I think I'm going to have to play with it over the weekend and see which config I like best. Because I have been used to using the QV as a post-mixer processor, it'll be interesting. I'm sure each has their own advantages... Though on thinking about this it might be even more useful to have a QV-like device put on Aux 2, and really exploit this setup. :) Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 18:44:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2INfUP25932; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:41:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:41:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:39:07 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! Message-ID: <20050318233907.GB12468@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <20050318132523.25283.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:13:07AM -0800, Zoe Keating wrote: > yes, I have applecare. but my reading of the fine print is that > customer stupidity/abuse is not covered! Yup. I dropped my powerbook and did similar damage. The way to fix it and not void your warrantly seems to be to take it to an apple store and pay a large amount to get it fixed. Applecare seems to just extend the original warrantly, which apparenlty doesn't cover accidents. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 18:55:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2INprX27531; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> References: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:45:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:05 PM +0000 3/18/05, Stephen Goodman wrote: >I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here: > >1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R) > -> QuadraVerb (L/R) > -> Line-in (PC) > >or > >2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono) > -> QuadraVerb (mono) > -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out > -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R) > -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R) > -> Line-in (PC) It appears that the Quadraverb inputs are summed before being processed, so no stereo information would be lost by using a mono Aux send. Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than channel inputs? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 19:05:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J02e830970; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:02:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=fyilUp7VQKFx1mc95oaFETW1q16obPKSSjWATgwome93LsctrpRDvgNUbBRX148eNv1ux1jc0311g5xgH89TRDUtGFYuqZ3Hp9Fjibf2E+FkN2SE/kGtcdEBeg4l7ZcyRmMCwHhmHJMhhmrSxUJhF/46OdFaR6v+c3uR8SobN6Q= ; Message-ID: <20050319000149.35142.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5rUFc.A.-hH.zv2OCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, that's what I'm leaning toward. I looked at a bunch of equipment stands on musiciansfriend.com today, and didn't think I'd feel safe with a piece of equipment that costs over 2 grand strapped to a metal stick in the air on wheels. =) I believe that all my controls will be midi via my keyboard (with a bunch of assignable knobs and faders) and my foot pedal. Thanks! Mike --- Per Boysen wrote: > I usually put it as safe as possible; a big table by > my side or I'll > hide it behind something. Because I have a midi foot > pedal board I > don't need to see the screen all the time. However, > I need to reach a > hand manipulated midi mixer/interface (either a > UC-33 or a > MicroKontrol). These I usually put on a chair close > to me or, if there > is a table I put it there with the laptop. I try to > set the system up > in a way that I have foot buttons or midi mixer > buttons for everything > I need to do in software. > > Last week I was watching a duo perform and one of > the guy had put his > Dell laptop on a floor tom. When they started > playing the bass rumble > had the tom resonating and the computer slid off and > hit the floor. It > crashed on the first downbeat of a new bar and the > music stopped in a > way that could have been arranged that way. But the > concert was over. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 19:07:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J03dO31203; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:03:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:03:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1Jk7Zl0RW000lxOHEwwTpNhR8JTqPbOzU5PD5Ciq62muMWCM1r1mE2eCBbR4w4ZzQEGv5nhhWAptafdqTmvzleQErey1CscLmdNG9wwJV+9QissDA9Pe+obXCg2Qd9MBU50EFRK1VRNRkW/M6DJC+0+mT07hT13NsV9/pPBYu00= ; Message-ID: <20050319000257.37189.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read that today myself (looked it up out of curiosity). I have a feeling that if you found a compassionate technician at an Apple store, they'd help you as much as possible though. Just a thought... Mike --- Zoe Keating wrote: > yes, I have applecare. but my reading of the fine > print is that > customer stupidity/abuse is not covered! > > On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:25 AM, mike feeney wrote: > > > Eek! > > > > Do you have Applecare, by chance? If so, I'd > suggest > > going that route... > > > > Mike > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > >> ok. it was inevitable. > >> > >> i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" > powerbook. > >> it only fell a few > >> feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is > it > >> mangled! the > >> aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see > into > >> the chassis > >> because the seams don't match up. > >> > >> my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and > >> doesn't look nearly as > >> bad. > >> > >> does anyone have any leads on how to repair such > a > >> thing without > >> voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up > >> the looping list so > >> feel free to reply off-list. > >> > >> fiddlesticks! > >> > >> z > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Make Yahoo! your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 19:09:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J06q831816; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=L+++JYp+xfGXCAmm3o9aC0nOXrGcAkvNK62MaaTPzCJAaHbaxXNi1tCBWLRSB+VrbXcscnEPHCL+tzuLxEgxRYXeFtBTVROQjdcg0cyaoBiE64oh29NvCl2eDzJq+l2j+Wx8sn3po/nwcLA1rNID6xsHBM5i27AP5d14oNNOZKc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop / small mixer stands In-Reply-To: <20050319000149.35142.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050319000149.35142.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about if it were on a strap around your neck? On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:01:49 -0800 (PST), mike feeney wrote: > Yeah, that's what I'm leaning toward. I looked at a > bunch of equipment stands on musiciansfriend.com > today, and didn't think I'd feel safe with a piece of > equipment that costs over 2 grand strapped to a metal > stick in the air on wheels. =) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 19:26:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J0NDo01442; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:23:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:23:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:22:20 EST Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.24d64868.2f6ccabc_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cf.24d64868.2f6ccabc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/05 6:50:26 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than > channel inputs? > > it frees up one of the 1202's limited channels.....the Q2 functions both pre and post loop this way.....now you got me wondering! --part1_cf.24d64868.2f6ccabc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/18/05 6:50:26 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


Is there a reason to retu= rn its outputs to Aux returns rather than
channel inputs?


it frees up one of the 1202's limited channels.....the Q2 functions both pre= and post loop this way.....now you got me wondering!
<= /FONT> --part1_cf.24d64868.2f6ccabc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 20:01:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J0vA805711; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:57:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tZ8x5r1eH0/GxAHagLL6J9Cl98PQOajbeOvJA1QxTTNOT8WDirFJy238zsAMIItlgeUokbulhy4tEcHYIwtnOnXI/hRbXGak856/qcQ3K2rdSv7lxPsCwDtlUdyjaiMN+JPSR19UyfWMW1d8Zl2m2hAzfMi4ESYBzBhXA5DB1Rg= ; Message-ID: <20050319005607.47367.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Improv session To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200503182157.j2ILvq008646@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0P2UOD.A.zXB.ti3OCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I've posted some MP3's from last nights improv session. Any feedback (and I do mean any...) is welcome. Kurzweil PC2X with Emu Proteus 2500, paired with a Yamaha WX5 wind controller with VL70 sound module. Full complement of Electrix modules including our favorite, the legendary Repeater... Get it while it's hot out of the oven... http://sohl.com/Improvisations/cassini%20division/ Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 20:15:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J1CBx09440; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:12:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:12:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004401c52bd4$5e78bfc0$0207a8c0@eluk> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:11:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:45 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 4:05 PM +0000 3/18/05, Stephen Goodman wrote: > >>I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here: >> >>1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R) >> -> QuadraVerb (L/R) >> -> Line-in (PC) >> >>or >> >>2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono) >> -> QuadraVerb (mono) >> -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out >> -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R) >> -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R) >> -> Line-in (PC) > >It appears that the Quadraverb inputs are summed before being >processed, so no stereo information would be lost by using a mono >Aux send. > >Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than >channel inputs? >-- I like using channels if they are available because of the eq and flexibility in routing. If your channels are all used up, then aux returns are fine. Just my 02c. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 18 20:33:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J1VDV11831; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:26:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:22 PM -0500 3/18/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >>Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than >>channel inputs? > >it frees up one of the 1202's limited channels.....the Q2 functions >both pre and post loop this way.....now you got me wondering! I always return effects through input channels because I like to send one effect to another But I never have fewer than 16 channels so it's not an economy issue. It has always frustrated me that smaller mixers automatically have fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a 1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes and would happily give up EQ to have them. BTW - A friend of mine recently bought one of the little Yamaha mixers because its mic channels have inserts. Does anyone know of other small (10-12 input) mixers that have inserts? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 03:52:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2J8nw107159; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:49:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Mackie-QuadraVerb Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:26 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 7:22 PM -0500 3/18/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >>>Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than >>>channel inputs? >> >>it frees up one of the 1202's limited channels.....the Q2 functions >>both pre and post loop this way.....now you got me wondering! > >I always return effects through input channels because I like to >send one effect to another But I never have fewer than 16 channels >so it's not an economy issue. > >It has always frustrated me that smaller mixers automatically have >fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a 1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes and >would happily give up EQ to have them. > >BTW - A friend of mine recently bought one of the little Yamaha >mixers because its mic channels have inserts. Does anyone know of >other small (10-12 input) mixers that have inserts? >-- The Mackie 1202 does have inserts on the mic inputs (at least, mine does). I also have been looking into a soundcraft folio mixer that has 8 mic inputs, each of which has an insert. HTH Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 14:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2JJ7ge02718; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:07:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:07:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr6 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:06:12 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: gig info 25th March @ Apple Store Osaka Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6WY2YB.A.Oo.sgHPCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD, Sorry for OT.. A gig information: 25th (Fri) March 2005 patchware on demand @ Apple Store Shinsaibashi (Osaka) Navigator : Kenichi Itoi (PsysEx) http://www.shrine.jp/ Guest :Sunao Inami (CAVE Studio,C.U.E.) http://www.cavestudio.com 7PM, Free Contacts: Apple Store Shinsaibashi (Osaka) 06-4963-4500 http://www.apple.com/jp/retail/shinsaibashi/ Related info: http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?eventsdb_us Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 14:27:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2JJOhN05233; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:24:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:24:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.91,104,1110171600"; d="scan'208"; a="832371787:sNHT12950536" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <453377E6-98AC-11D9-A935-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Movie recommendation...not looping, but musical Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:22:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just saw an amazing film: The Story of the Weeping Camel It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and then go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged make-believe. http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: yurts, Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth to a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come and perform the reuniting ritual... dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 15:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2JKiQS20299; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.3475d88d.2f6de8cd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:42:53 EST Subject: Re: Movie recommendation...not looping, but musical To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ac.3475d88d.2f6de8cd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <83EKMD.A.-4E.Z7IPCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ac.3475d88d.2f6de8cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David, I must agree. That was a very unexpected, simple, moving story. I rented and watched the DVD from the local independent video=20 shop late last month. It was great! I wanna go live in Mongolia=20 now. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1ac.3475d88d.2f6de8cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David,

I must agree. That was a very unexpected, simple, moving story.
I rented and watched the DVD from the local independent video
shop late last month. It was great! I wanna go live in Mongolia
now.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
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--part1_1ac.3475d88d.2f6de8cd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 16:00:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2JKush22670; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:56:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:56:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <423C91C4.2040709@biink.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:55:32 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Movie recommendation...not looping, but musical References: <453377E6-98AC-11D9-A935-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <453377E6-98AC-11D9-A935-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw this movie last year. Very nice. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 16:03:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2JL0Zr25138; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:00:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:00:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050319215815.046ffd60@mail.burken.nu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:00:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mattias Rickardsson Subject: (Offtopic) Behringer mixer schematics? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-57F62061 Resent-Message-ID: <83ZqCB.A.mGG.VLJPCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, sorry to bring up this off-topic long shot, but anyway: I need schematics to the Behringer Eurorack MX2642A mixer. If anyone happens to have this, or schematics to some other mid-sized Behringer mixer, please contact me personally off-list. Thank you! :-) /M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 17:30:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2JMQ9606270; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.40] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Opportunity for guitarist Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:25:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 22:25:30.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F4CB350:01C52CD2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From Craigslist SF I hold U.S. Patent # 6,657,112 for an electric guitar innovation which could be worth millions. It's not for everyone, it works for people who like to play with effects - tremolo, wah, whammy, etc. In a preferred application I have taken a Roland Expression pedal and placed it in such a position that a twist of the neck activates the effect - whatever effect the performer wants. Caught you by surprise didn't I! Guitar necks don't twist in relation to the body. That is the innovation for which I was awarded the patent. But it wouldn't do anything (except look so strange that it floors people - and there is some merit in this) without placing a potentiometer at this junction, and this is also covered in the patent. This could operate effects like tremolo, but the real value will be the unlimited effects that can usually be run by the expression pedal. Therefore, I am seeking a master guitarist who regularly uses an expression pedal and has the necessary midis (or whatever) to demonstrate this effect. You would have to seriously practice with my prototype and master the technique by January, when we will show the invention at the Namm show in Los Angeles. I will pay the exorbitant fee for a small booth in the innovations section of the show, and you will sit there and play the guitar and generate interest until the guitar manufacturers fall all over themselves offering us big money to license or buy out the patent. You will have to be very good and accomplished to get their attention, but that's why you are starting out as a master and will be spending about 10 hrs a week practicing. For your trouble in all this, I am offering 15% of the patent rights. This is in the form of a patent assignment, and is an airtight method by which you own 15% of any and all royalties and proceeds. Check this all out with the U.S.P.T.O. at the toll free number: 1-800-786-9199; and, or see their web site at: www.uspto.gov. You will get no money up front. You will have to cover your own travel, accommodations, etc. at the trade show. You will get the assignment even if no one buys our patent at the time, as long as you have mastered and play the instrument well at the show. If years later I get some one to license or buy the patent, you will still get 15% of the proceeds. If you are not able to show reasonable progress within a short time, I will have to find a different person because I can't spend the thousands of dollars on the Namm booth if we cannot make a good presentation. So only contact me if you are serious and can commit to the practice time. You must provide the amps and midis (or whatever) that the guitar and expression pedal need - but you already have these or you wouldn't be answering this add. A plus if you have musical degrees from accredited schools. A plus if you are versed in Blues. A plus if you are with a working band and perform regularly. [Before long, I suspect that you could play this guitar during some of your bands set (the instrument is a beautiful Carvin and naturally plays like a dream when the twist effect is not engaged) and skyrocket your bands popularity by virtue of the novelty; all the while practicing and mastering the effect.] Get back to me through this e-mail address, or (better) call. GZ - 415-669-7837 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 19:53:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2K0oQn30075; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:50:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:50:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <37a8c8b61261e780102e645b6f03696d@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam: Seattle Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:48:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed90d49de6ca598b51426e174993decddac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few unusual shows this week, including one playing electric guitar in a full-band context in the David Bavas Band (Thursday) and acoustic guitar with him at Tacoma's finest music cafe (next Saturday, followed by a set of me solo): March 19, Saturday, 7-10PM Orrapin's Thai Bistro (Queen Anne Ave. N.) March 20, Sunday, 11AM Penny Cafe (1701 NW Market Street) *March 24, Thursday, 6-9PM Mercer Island Art (2729 78th Ave. E., Mercer Island) *March 24, Thursday, 10PM Showbox Green Room (lead guitar in David Bavas Band) March 25, Friday, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) *March 26, Saturday, 8-10PM Mandolin Cafe (3923 S. 12th Street, Tacoma) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 20:52:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2K1o4408159; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:50:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4236F098.9040408@pdq.net> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=232, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue - I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion. http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in Plogue. However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a keyboard key to activate it or change presets. Kris >-----Original Message----- >From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] >Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: laptop latency >>ProTools would get constant >>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. >> > > From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives >much better latency than Pro-Tools. > >Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use. >It's designed for live work. > > >Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the >dinosaurs. > >andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 19 21:47:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2K2iO617260; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:44:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:44:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Gene Schwartz" To: Subject: RE: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:43:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use Bidule, but don't know the answer to your question, unfortunately. But, try sending your question to the Plogue/Bidule users list, on the Plogue site. The Plogue guys are great, and usually answer questions very quickly. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue - I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion. http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in Plogue. However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a keyboard key to activate it or change presets. Kris >-----Original Message----- >From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] >Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: laptop latency >>ProTools would get constant >>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. >> > > From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives >much better latency than Pro-Tools. > >Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use. >It's designed for live work. > > >Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the >dinosaurs. > >andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 03:37:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2K8ZOb12909; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:35:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:33:38 +0100 From: numbernine X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Reply-To: numbernine X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1291787229.20050320093338@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard In-Reply-To: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> References: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dear Kris, KH> Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue - KH> I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the KH> graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion. KH> http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 KH> Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have KH> MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set KH> up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to KH> controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two KH> expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in KH> Plogue. KH> However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the KH> processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible KH> with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be KH> able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a KH> keyboard key to activate it or change presets. KH> Kris what you want is possible with Bidule. I do the same. I have setup Bidule for the use of some effects (actually chains of effects) that I can switch on or off by my midi pedal and I control Mobius from the same pedal. this is also possible with the computer keyboard. Setting this up is not so easy and I can't explain it in a few words as you need lots of "bidules" within bidule. Maybe not many list members are interested in this topic so you can contact me offline, and I can send you some bidule-groups to help you, or we go to the plogue forum, where other people may look for the same advises. Matthias >>-----Original Message----- >>From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] >>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: laptop latency >>>ProTools would get constant >>>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. >>> >> >> From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives >>much better latency than Pro-Tools. >> >>Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use. >>It's designed for live work. >> >> >>Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the >>dinosaurs. >> >>andy butler >> >> >> >> >> -- Best regards, numbernine mailto:numbernine@gmx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 03:37:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2K8UNv12096; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:30:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:30:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> References: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <175f9ff967a18be0b276faff1d73767c@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:29:48 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7lwMYD.A.15C.DSTPCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 20, 2005, at 2:48, Kris Hartung wrote: > However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change > the > processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible > with Plogue? > Kris Hi Kris, Last time I downloaded Bidule there was a html manual bundled. On my OS X version it's inside the application folder, in a folder named "help". > I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be > able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a > keyboard key to activate it or change presets. Another method that many laptop musician use, opposed to calling up plug-in settings by midi program change, is to open many instances of the plugin on the same audi channel of the host application. Then map computer keyboard buttons or foot pedal buttons to mute or un-mute the plug-ins. Each instance of the plug-in should of course be pre-loaded with a unique patch setting. Over here I like using Live 4 as the host application. Live has a good system of mapping any incoming midi (AND computer keyboard button stroke) to both its own parameters as well as any parameter of a plug-in. Check the Bidule manual to see if it has something similar! BTW, I have noticed that every time I answer one of your LD posts, the mail is sent to your private address. If you don't like it that way you may change this in your e-mail client settings for "auto reply to". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 04:21:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2K9Fcw20969; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:15:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:47:00 +0100 From: numbernine X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Reply-To: numbernine X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <462589092.20050320094700@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Maybe not many list members are interested in this topic so you can > contact me offline. should be "offlist" ;-) Bidule is just made to do these things. If you use an audioswitcher to control where you signal goes, you can link the output parameter to the "mode"-parameter of all plugins in a chain and they switch off automatically when you don't need them. So I am able to host about 60 plugins and mobius at the same time and they only start to process when I need them. My footpedal send only program changes but within Bidule I can make them have a toogle behaviour. I also have two buttons set up to have different functions when I double click them within an adjustable time. So I can have Reset on one press, and Global reset on two presses. Since Bidule 8.0 the MIDI capabilities are endless. regards, Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 10:39:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2KFagS32419; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:36:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:36:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Trusted: Whitelisted Message-ID: <423D990C.40208@gawab.com> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:38:52 -0500 From: jacob smoller User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard References: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <004d01c52cee$f61be8f0$6b01a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've done similar things by using a freeware program called MIDI-OX for data mapping, and it's keyboard interface. Worked OK for me, although it isn't the most user-friendly program IMO. Jacob Kris Hartung wrote: >Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue - > >I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the >graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion. >http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 > >Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have >MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set >up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to >controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two >expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in >Plogue. > >However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the >processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible >with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be >able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a >keyboard key to activate it or change presets. > >Kris > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] >>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: laptop latency >> >> > > > >>>ProTools would get constant >>>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. >>> >>> >>> >>From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives >>much better latency than Pro-Tools. >> >>Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use. >>It's designed for live work. >> >> >>Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the >>dinosaurs. >> >>andy butler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 12:01:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2KGwrq19880; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:58:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.250.18.12] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com From: "Andy Morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: running two amps at once Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:57:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2005 16:57:23.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[E31470E0:01C52D6D] Resent-Message-ID: <-GaJqC.A.exE.5taPCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings fellow loopers, I have a question for you which may have been addressed in the past. I tried searching the list archives for the answer to my question before bothering everyone but that turned out to be a waste of time. So here we go. I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary in order to drive two amplifiers at once. What I am curious about is whether it is possible for me to send the loop signal from my boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the same time using my 4x10 to drive my lead signal. My reason for doing this is to cut down on some of the increased gain/distorted signal caused by playing over top of a musical sample through the same amp. I'm sure many of you have noticed that once you have more than two or three layers the sound is affected to a significant degree. So even if my two amp idea is unworkable, if any one had any suggestions for me in improving my sound your ideas are welcome. Thanks, take care all. -Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 12:10:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2KH8Fe23162; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:08:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:08:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Plogue VST Host and Controlling Presets/VST via the notebook keyboard Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:07:37 -0700 Message-ID: <007301c52d6f$51694380$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <175f9ff967a18be0b276faff1d73767c@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 117, in=276, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Kris, > Last time I downloaded Bidule there was a html manual bundled. On my OS X version it's inside the application folder, in a folder named "help". Tried that...it doesn't provide enough details on how to use the keystroke bidule. I'm going to exchange some email with Mathias, who seems to have this Bidule thing down. I sent him a basic layout file. I am gathering that by inserting and connecting the keystroke and audio switcher bidules in some fashion, this can be accomplished. > I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be able to have > several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a keyboard key to > activate it or change presets. > Another method that many laptop musician use, opposed to calling up plug-in settings by midi program change, is to open many instances of the plugin on the same audi channel of the host application. Then map computer keyboard buttons or foot pedal buttons to mute or un-mute the plug-ins. Each instance of the plug-in should of course be pre-loaded with a unique patch setting. This would work, but would be extremely processor straining. One thing I like about Bidule is that you can truly bipass (vs. mute) a vst plugin so that it doesn't hog processing power. But essentially, I'm trying to do what you describe above, but bipassing the plugin with the keyboard rather than muting it. So you have the right idea here. > Over here I like using Live 4 as the host application. Live has a good system of mapping any incoming midi (AND computer keyboard button stroke) to both its own parameters as well as any parameter of a plug-in. Check the Bidule manual to see if it has something similar! It does...I'm just not experienced enough with Bidule to understand how to do it yet! :) > BTW, I have noticed that every time I answer one of your LD posts, the mail is sent to your private address. If you don't like it that way you may change this in your e-mail client settings for "auto reply to". I can't figure out how to chance this. I found no such setting on my internet provider site under email settings. I am using MS Outlook for email, and I did not find this setting in that program either. I'll keep on looing. One thing that others can do is to reply to all, then they should see both my email and looper's delight...maybe. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 12:10:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2KH8PN23334; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Trusted: Whitelisted Message-ID: <423DAE60.20805@gawab.com> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:09:52 -0500 From: jacob smoller User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: running two amps at once References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you mean have the loops coming out of one amp, and your "live" sound coming out of the other? An A/B switch or any stereo pedal will let you do this. Just plug your guitar into the pedal/switch/whatever, and put on output into your boomerang/amp, and the other straight into an amp. An A/B switch isn't NEEDED to run two amps. It is needed if you want to be able to select what amp/combination of amps you want on at any given time. "My reason for doing this is to cut down on some of the increased gain/distorted signal caused by playing over top of a musical sample through the same amp." Get an amp with more headroom! Jacob Andy Morris wrote: > Greetings fellow loopers, > I have a question for you which may have been addressed in the > past. I tried searching the list archives for the answer to my > question before bothering everyone but that turned out to be a waste > of time. So here we go. I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary > in order to drive two amplifiers at once. What I am curious about is > whether it is possible for me to send the loop signal from my > boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the same time using my 4x10 > to drive my lead signal. My reason for doing this is to cut down on > some of the increased gain/distorted signal caused by playing over top > of a musical sample through the same amp. I'm sure many of you have > noticed that once you have more than two or three layers the sound is > affected to a significant degree. So even if my two amp idea is > unworkable, if any one had any suggestions for me in improving my > sound your ideas are welcome. Thanks, take care all. > -Andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 12:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2KHgtW30895; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wEO4IklAddFfMMJeoaYAH/wdLD/EFR84spCuyfNqEVzCmUHPyiXG+RUYgwFrakjpZMt5xVPRQGoW4qDWje3FrFbToW1aTuSn9IZxRolXvAK1Ek99fgMip+/Rn067i+shWdKVC2oGY1z1OskAQBYzKd3sC0aGkuzkc2mSpr+krRA= ; Message-ID: <20050320174139.60029.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: USB audio problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-281424256-1111340498=:59170" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-281424256-1111340498=:59170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, for those of you who may recall, I was having glitching/skipping with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz Celeron) running XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous system usage. I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the problem, so I "upgraded" to a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The glitching is 10 times worse when I plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. Why? Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, and the glitching occurs when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went out and bought two sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess what... It still glitches just as much. Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may have problems with interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I noticed today that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some static and radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this normal? I did plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes a difference. I just can't figure what it might be. If the wiring of the computer is in fact the problem, than 1. why does the glitching still occur with the PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur even when running off of the battery? Again, any help would be great. -Devin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-281424256-1111340498=:59170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, for those of you who may recall, I was having glitching/skipping with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz Celeron) running XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous system usage.
 
I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the problem, so I "upgraded" to a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The glitching is 10 times worse when I plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. Why?
 
Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, and the glitching occurs when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went out and bought two sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess what... It still glitches just as much.
 
Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may have problems with interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I noticed today that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some static and radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this normal? I did plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes a difference.
 
I just can't figure what it might be. If the wiring of the computer is in fact the problem, than 1. why does the glitching still occur with the PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur even when running off of the battery? 
 
Again, any help would be great.
-Devin 


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Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-281424256-1111340498=:59170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 12:52:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2KHnu500944; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:49:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:49:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:47:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: running two amps at once Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1100781522==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1100781522==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:57 PM +0000 3/20/05, Andy Morris wrote: >I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary in order to drive two >amplifiers at once. This is not strictly true. You can drive multiple amplifiers simply by splitting the signal and routing each leg of the signal to a different amp. All the A/B switch does is to allow you to switch between two amplifiers in a convenient manner, so rather than an A/B switch allowing you to drive two amplifiers at once, it really allows you to drive two amplifiers in alternation. >What I am curious about is whether it is possible for me to send the >loop signal from my boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the >same time using my 4x10 to drive my lead signal. Of course. Just split the guitar signal and send one leg to the Boomerang and the other to the 4x0. Then patch the output of the Boomerang directly to the 2x12. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1100781522==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: running two amps at once
At 4:57 PM +0000 3/20/05, Andy Morris wrote:

I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary in order to drive two amplifiers at once.

This is not strictly true. You can drive multiple amplifiers simply by splitting the signal and routing each leg of the signal to a different amp. All the A/B switch does is to allow you to switch between two amplifiers in a convenient manner, so rather than an A/B switch allowing you to drive two amplifiers at once, it really allows you to drive two amplifiers in alternation.

What I am curious about is whether it is possible for me to send the loop signal from my boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the same time using my 4x10 to drive my lead signal.

Of course. Just split the guitar signal and send one leg to the Boomerang and the other to the 4x0. Then patch the output of the Boomerang directly to the 2x12.

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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1100781522==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 14:55:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2KJqPX01702; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:52:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:52:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:50:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Shure AuxPander Cc: Bob Beede Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1100774178==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1100774178==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 5:26 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: >It has always frustrated me that smaller mixers automatically have >fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a 1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes I've found a partial solution to this problem in the Shure AuxPander ($398 list). http://www.shure.com/mixers/models/auxpander.asp This is "an insertable, 8 x 8 analog mixing matrix designed to expand the auxiliary output capabilities of any standard mixing console." When Shure says "insertable" they mean this both in a general and a literal sense. The AuxPander can be patched directly to the insert jacks of a console using an 8-channel TRS snake, or you can figure out creative alternatives if your mixer lacks insert jacks. The AuxPander also has its own set of Inserts (where you can patch your effects units) as well as separate bus Outputs. You can treat the AuxPander as eight mono auxiliary sends or as four stereo auxiliaries. The unit is "expandable both horizontally (16x8) and/or vertically (8x16)." When I described the AuxPander as a "partial solution" my reservations were based on 1) the size of the unit (175mm H x 330mm W x 218mm D, or 6-7/8 x 13 x 8-9/16 inches, or 4U high) and 2) that patching into the mixer's inserts means that these extra auxiliaries will all be Pre-fader. For those who "play" their mixers and effects and prefer to control the signal path manually it's still worth consideration. For instance, a small mixer such as a Mackie 1202 could be set up with four source inputs (either mic or line in) and eight effects inputs (four stereo effects, perhaps). Those first four channels might be a guitar, and EDP, and two channels of Repeater, for instance. And don't forget that the AuxPander adds eight auxiliaries onto what you already have, so the Mackie 1202 still has its Pre-fader and Post-fader Auxes available. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1100774178==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Shure AuxPander
At 5:26 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:

It has always frustrated me that smaller mixers automatically have fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a 1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes

I've found a partial solution to this problem in the Shure AuxPander ($398 list).

http://www.shure.com/mixers/models/auxpander.asp

This is "an insertable, 8 x 8 analog mixing matrix designed to expand the auxiliary output capabilities of any standard mixing console."  When Shure says "insertable" they mean this both in a general and a literal sense. The AuxPander can be patched directly to the insert jacks of a console using an 8-channel TRS snake, or you can figure out creative alternatives if your mixer lacks insert jacks. The AuxPander also has its own set of Inserts (where you can patch your effects units) as well as separate bus Outputs.

You can treat the AuxPander as eight mono auxiliary sends or as four stereo auxiliaries. The unit is "expandable both horizontally (16x8) and/or vertically (8x16)."

When I described the AuxPander as a "partial solution" my reservations were based on 1) the size of the unit (175mm H x 330mm W x 218mm D, or 6-7/8 x 13 x 8-9/16 inches, or 4U high) and 2) that patching into the mixer's inserts means that these extra auxiliaries will all be Pre-fader.

For those who "play" their mixers and effects and prefer to control the signal path manually it's still worth consideration. For instance, a small mixer such as a Mackie 1202 could be set up with four source inputs (either mic or line in) and eight effects inputs (four stereo effects, perhaps). Those first four channels might be a guitar, and EDP, and two channels of Repeater, for instance.  And don't forget that the AuxPander adds eight auxiliaries onto what you already have, so the Mackie 1202 still has its Pre-fader and Post-fader Auxes available.

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______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1100774178==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 23:23:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2L4Kp126540; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.250.18.12] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Andy Morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: running two amps at once Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:19:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 04:19:36.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[31402480:01C52DCD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi richard, thanks for your reply. i just wanted to shoot you a quick question before i made my next move. someone else replied saying that i could split my signal with any stereo pedal. is this true? the only stereo pedal i own right now is a line 6 floor delay. i figured i would need something else to split my guitar signal. if you don't mind taking a minute to tell me where to go from here and feel free to explain it to me as though i were 8. we're only talking about two inputs and two outputs here and i feel confused. sorry, thanks alot for your help. andy >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: running two amps at once >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:47:55 -0800 > >At 4:57 PM +0000 3/20/05, Andy Morris wrote: > >>I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary in order to drive two >>amplifiers at once. > >This is not strictly true. You can drive multiple amplifiers simply by >splitting the signal and routing each leg of the signal to a different amp. >All the A/B switch does is to allow you to switch between two amplifiers in >a convenient manner, so rather than an A/B switch allowing you to drive two >amplifiers at once, it really allows you to drive two amplifiers in >alternation. > >>What I am curious about is whether it is possible for me to send the loop >>signal from my boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the same time >>using my 4x10 to drive my lead signal. > >Of course. Just split the guitar signal and send one leg to the Boomerang >and the other to the 4x0. Then patch the output of the Boomerang directly >to the 2x12. > >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://salamandersongs.com >http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 23:55:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2L4qTU32237; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:52:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: running two amps at once Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1100741754==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1100741754==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:19 AM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote: >someone else replied saying that i could split my signal with any >stereo pedal. is this true? As a general answer I'd say, "No, you can't necessarily split a signal with any stereo pedal." What kind of stereo pedal? The simplest way to split a signal is with a "Y" adaptor or cable. This will work fine in most cases where you have one unbalanced line-level signal that needs to be split into two unbalanced line-level signals. If you need to split the signal into several duplicate signals, or if you are very fussy about the strength and quality of your signal you can also use an active splitter (such as the Behringer MX882 , but this is really overkill for your situation. You say you have a Line6 delay. I assume that is the DL4 Delay Modeler. This unit has two audio outputs, Left and Right. While you could patch one output to one amp and the other output to the Boomerang and thence to the other amp, this will probably not give you the results you want. What will happen in this case is that the Left channel of the stereo output will go to the first amp and the Right channel of the stereo output will go to the Boomerang and the other amp. The results will be different depending on which effect setting you are using. I your original message you didn't say anything about using other effects. You mentioned a Boomerang and two amps, but now you say you also have a stereo delay. Do you have other effects devices as well? How are they connected? Are you looping the sound of your instrument with effects or is the looped signal a clean signal direct from the instrument? Do you use effects on the output of the Boomerang or does it go directly to the second amp? I'm happy to explain techniques and to suggest possibilities, but the important first step is for you to be clear and complete in your explanation of your equipment and your intentions. This in turn must be based on a clear understanding of basic concepts and vocabulary such as: mono versus stereo, series versus parallel connection, balanced versus unbalanced signal, splitting versus mixing a signal, etc. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1100741754==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: running two amps at once
At 4:19 AM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote:

someone else replied saying that i could split my signal with any stereo pedal. is this true?

As a general answer I'd say, "No, you can't necessarily split a signal with any stereo pedal."  What kind of stereo pedal?

The simplest way to split a signal is with a "Y" adaptor or cable. This will work fine in most cases where you have one unbalanced line-level signal that needs to be split into two unbalanced line-level signals. If you need to split the signal into several duplicate signals, or if you are very fussy about the strength and quality of your signal you can also use an active splitter (such as the Behringer MX882 <http://www.behringer.com/MX882/index.cfm?lang=ENG>, but this is really overkill for your situation.

You say you have a Line6 delay. I assume that is the DL4 Delay Modeler. This unit has two audio outputs, Left and Right. While you could patch one output to one amp and the other output to the Boomerang and thence to the other amp, this will probably not give you  the results you want. What will happen in this case is that the Left channel of the stereo output will go to the first amp and the Right channel of the stereo output will go to the Boomerang and the other amp. The results will be different depending on which effect setting  you are using.

I your original message you didn't say anything about using other effects. You mentioned a Boomerang and two amps, but now you say you also have a stereo delay. Do you have other effects devices as well? How are they connected? Are you looping the sound of your instrument with effects or is the looped signal a clean signal direct from the instrument? Do you use effects on the output of the Boomerang or does it go directly to the second amp?

I'm happy to explain techniques and to suggest possibilities, but the important first step is for you to be clear and complete in your explanation of your equipment and your intentions. This in turn must be based on a clear understanding of basic concepts and vocabulary such as:  mono versus stereo, series versus parallel connection, balanced versus unbalanced signal, splitting versus mixing a signal, etc.
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
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http://ill-wind.com
--============_-1100741754==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 20 23:59:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2L4ugd00698; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:56:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c52d6e$1b1a7b60$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Worthy Records Special #2 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:58:57 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday March 23rd - The Devil In The Design, Wierd State Inbetween and The Lonely Flight This is the second of three Worthy Records showcases at the PiNG & the launch for 3 new CDs. The CD descriptions will give you a very good idea of their live presentations: The Devil In The Design - "Cloudface" - A meditation on the space above us, occasionally cloud covered and other times just full of stars, but always moving in unpredictable and sometimes capricious ways. Phil Ogison on electric guitar through treatments with percussion, theramin and noise. The superb artwork that comprises the package was created for this project by world renowned but rather reclusive artist Menno Krant, who, it is hoped, will be attending to sign CDs. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/thedevilinthedesign.htm The Lonely flight - "Emotion - Flow" - Scott Johnson manipulates keys and pedals to create wondrous shores and reaches of the mind and universe. 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Griffin... http://www.hypnos.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wednesday March 30th - Canadian Electronic Ensemble http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/cee.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek For most concert-goers, music that leaves you speechless is an amazing experience. When you're trying to capture your rapture in words for a weekly column, however, the experience ranks as one of life's guilty pleasures. This was definitely the case on March 16, 2005: the PiNG presented Adelaide, a band visiting Toronto all the way from Portland, Oregon. Formed in the summer of 2003, Adelaide shared their fascination with the interplay of sound & image via a gorgeous set of sonic & visual experimentation. Grounded by 16mm film projections of urban images, the concert featured upbeat electronics, guitar and drum arrangements. Celebrating his 26th release since 2000, Aiden Baker started off the second set with a brief solo performance of ambient looping guitar. More of Mnemosyne (Rich Baker on drums/ percussion and Luke Baker on bass) then joined Aiden onstage to perform music from Figures, Aiden's newest CD. Judging by the audience's reaction, the set was far too short for their liking. Aiden and friends were only too happy to appease their fans, playing another down tempo piece with shimmering drums and pulsing guitar riffs and ending the evening on a grace note. More information about this evening's artists is available at: http://www.adelaidesound.com, http://listen.to/aidan and http://www.transientfrequency.com. Last week, I mentioned that PiNG artists and organizers are exploring new directions for TAP. Plans are in the works to publish a zine that appeals to and reflects the diversity among PiNG artists and supporters. As editor of the zine, I (aka Lynn Harrigan) look forward to hearing from those of you who would like to contribute articles, reviews, photographs, artwork, etc. Please send queries to luna@theambientping.com and let your voice be heard. Contributions from other cities and countries are welcomed. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews We're very pleased to announce the addition of a variety of titles by musique concrete mastermind Aube to the ping things catalogue. Aube has become well known within the abstract/experimental scene for his complex works utilizing diverse source material which has been processed and manipulated to create new and challenging soundscapes. With each disc, one source material such as wire, water, or glass is used as the basis for all of the sounds heard within. Fascinating work by an intensely gifted performer, Aube's releases regularly transcend the boundaries of the perception of both music and art. To see a selection of Aube titles, visit: http://www.pingthings.com/AUBEspotlight.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 00:57:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2L5sGC12802; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:54:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:54:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:51:46 -0800 Subject: Re: running two amps at once From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3194200306_399527_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. 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--MS_Mac_OE_3194200306_399527_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 04:04:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2L8xW517670; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:59:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050319005607.47367.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050319005607.47367.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Improv session Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:58:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 19, 2005, at 1:56, S V G wrote: > Hey gang, > > I've posted some MP3's from last nights improv session. Any > feedback (and I do mean any...) > is welcome. Kurzweil PC2X with Emu Proteus 2500, paired with a Yamaha > WX5 wind controller with > VL70 sound module. Full complement of Electrix modules including our > favorite, the legendary > Repeater... > > Get it while it's hot out of the oven... > > http://sohl.com/Improvisations/cassini%20division/ > > Stephen Thank you. Very refreshing listening! Great music. The only thing I'm missing is a link for streaming all songs in a row. A "radio" link. I think (but I'm not sure, please correct me if I'm wrong) you set that up by making a plain text document including global links to all song files, and then save the document with the file extension ".m3u" (or was it ".pli"? you can easily try both and see which one works best). Then save that .m3u doc to the server and link to it from your web page (using "_blanc" to "open in new browser window"). Here's a link I found that might give some better info on setting up a playlist: The M3U Playlist File Format http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 13:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2LIDQq03771; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:13:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:13:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.250.18.12] X-Originating-Email: [apmorris59@hotmail.com] X-Sender: apmorris59@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Andy Morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: running two amps at once Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:12:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 18:12:22.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[872CF6B0:01C52E41] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry to be too vague originally. other than the boomerang and dl4 the effects are rather simple. all of the effects run before the boomerang in the chain and no effects are added to the boomerang's output. current setup is a fender deluxe strat > morley mono volume pedal > snarling dogs mold spore wah/ring modulator > ibanez ts9 deluxe tube screamer > dunlop jimi hendrix model crybaby > line 6 dl4 delay modeler (being ran mono right now) > boomerang+ phrase sampler > '65 reissue Fender super reverb 4x10". my exact intentions are for every sound that comes out of the boomerang to be transmitted by a seperate 2x12" combo and that amp only. my guitar should be sounding from the 4x10" combo only for a larger lead sound. both amps will run simultaneously so no a/b switch should be necessary. hopefully this makes everything a little clearer. thank you. >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: running two amps at once >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:52:15 -0800 > >At 4:19 AM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote: > >>someone else replied saying that i could split my signal with any stereo >>pedal. is this true? > >As a general answer I'd say, "No, you can't necessarily split a signal with >any stereo pedal." What kind of stereo pedal? > >The simplest way to split a signal is with a "Y" adaptor or cable. This >will work fine in most cases where you have one unbalanced line-level >signal that needs to be split into two unbalanced line-level signals. If >you need to split the signal into several duplicate signals, or if you are >very fussy about the strength and quality of your signal you can also use >an active splitter (such as the Behringer MX882 >, but this is really >overkill for your situation. > >You say you have a Line6 delay. I assume that is the DL4 Delay Modeler. >This unit has two audio outputs, Left and Right. While you could patch one >output to one amp and the other output to the Boomerang and thence to the >other amp, this will probably not give you the results you want. What will >happen in this case is that the Left channel of the stereo output will go >to the first amp and the Right channel of the stereo output will go to the >Boomerang and the other amp. The results will be different depending on >which effect setting you are using. > >I your original message you didn't say anything about using other effects. >You mentioned a Boomerang and two amps, but now you say you also have a >stereo delay. Do you have other effects devices as well? How are they >connected? Are you looping the sound of your instrument with effects or is >the looped signal a clean signal direct from the instrument? Do you use >effects on the output of the Boomerang or does it go directly to the second >amp? > >I'm happy to explain techniques and to suggest possibilities, but the >important first step is for you to be clear and complete in your >explanation of your equipment and your intentions. This in turn must be >based on a clear understanding of basic concepts and vocabulary such as: >mono versus stereo, series versus parallel connection, balanced versus >unbalanced signal, splitting versus mixing a signal, etc. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://salamandersongs.com >http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 14:12:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2LJ8iR16559; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:08:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:08:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:07:59 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: running two amps at once In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, sounds to me like you need the A/B box after the Boomerang output to split it. Really straight forward. When you want to kick in your 4*10 jyst push A or B and the sound goes to the fender. Personally I would then use a volume pedal on the master effects loop on the 4*10 fender (if there is one). That will put you in control of the maste rvolume and preserve the tone. Its more flexable and you can use just a little 4*10 when needed and not just the full boost or whatever setting you are running the amp at. Then kick in your 4*10 when you want to route the sound in that direction. My amp has 3 effectloops one master that I use for mastercontrol and two others that are midi programmable. Really flexable amp : ) Since im allready off topic with my amps effectsloop, just want to recomend Ben Cristophers " My beautiful Deamon" 1999 not guitar looping but interesting grooves and some looping sounds behind his guitar and voice. Jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 14:34:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2LJVBR20498; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:31:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:31:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:30:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: running two amps at once Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3e33kC.A.88E.ZDyPCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:12 PM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote: >sorry to be too vague originally. other than the boomerang and dl4 >the effects are rather simple. all of the effects run before the >boomerang in the chain and no effects are added to the boomerang's >output. current setup is a fender deluxe strat > morley mono volume >pedal > snarling dogs mold spore wah/ring modulator > ibanez ts9 >deluxe tube screamer > dunlop jimi hendrix model crybaby > line 6 >dl4 delay modeler (being ran mono right now) > boomerang+ phrase >sampler > '65 reissue Fender super reverb 4x10". >my exact intentions are for every sound that comes out of the >boomerang to be transmitted by a seperate 2x12" combo and that amp >only. my guitar should be sounding from the 4x10" combo only for a >larger lead sound. both amps will run simultaneously so no a/b >switch should be necessary. hopefully this makes everything a little >clearer. thank you. This makes everything a lot clearer. All you need to do is to split the signal before the Boomerang and send one leg to the 4x10" and the other leg to the Boomerang and thence to the 2x12". This will give you the sound of the guitar, with all the effects, coming from the 4x10" and the output of the Boomerang (also with all the effects as they are recorded into loops on the 'rang) coming from the 2x12". You can split the signal using simple, cheap, passive "Y" adapters. You can buy these pretty much anywhere. The most flexible choice will be to use an adapter with one male plug and two female jacks, plus two 1/4" TS cables. Plug the male end into the left output of the DL4 and then use the two cables to attach the Y-adapter (Female #1) -> Boomerang and the Y-adapter (Female #2) to the 4x10". -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 15:05:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2LK1Qr28710; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Some of my new music....downloadable Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:00:10 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c52e50$96c213d0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C52E15.EA633BD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 118, in=235, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C52E15.EA633BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I just uploaded a ton of my new improvisational music on SoundClick, all freely downloadable and playable from the site. The new material is everything associated with the to-be-released CD "1/6" with the 2005 date, all recorded using two EDPs, my new rack setup. and the Alesis Masterlink: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Most of this material, as usual, was freely improvised.complete with clams. I also used my Paul Reed Smith Archtop hollow-body electric, rather than the acoustic. The question is, how am I going to fit 28 songs on a CD!!! http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm (the newest material is marked 2005 and listed below) Ataraxia - My interpretation of the ancient Greek skeptic state of being or mind "Ataraxia" or "Tranquility of the Soul", which is achievable by practicing "epoche" or "suspension of believe" Psycho-Plane - For some reason, this reminds me of the SoundTrack for "Halloween", though my memory of that masterpiece is very scanty. ;) Chicken Hawk - Yeeeeh Hawwwww!!! Just a little slice of country in this one.I used to play in a country band, and it must have slipped out.but not too much Five - Short, spunky tune in 5/4 Dark Forest Dance - Sort of playful, yet obscurity and darkness slips in toward the end Discourse with a Wave - The impossible and fantastic conversation I would have with a sub-atomic particle after it splits in the famous dual slit experiment and exhibits both wave and particle properties...you can feel the wave in slow time Postlude to the Thing - My interpretation and continuation of the movie, "The Thing" (1982) Siva's Horizon - A darker ambient piece with guitar work that has a subtle Eastern/Middle-Eastern feel...depicting the imminent end of the world - the horizon....hence the Hindu god Siva the Destroyer. Super Vibe - More in the jazz fusion groove Eccentrics & Apparitions - Grand finale and long sucker..starts in the jazz feel, but leaves it very soon. Cheers, ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C52E15.EA633BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of my new music....downloadable

Hello = all,

I just uploaded a = ton of my new improvisational music on SoundClick, all freely downloadable and playable = from the site.  The new material is everything associated with the to-be-released CD "1/6" with the 2005 = date, all recorded using two EDPs, my new rack = setup. and the Alesis Masterlink: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

Most of this = material, as usual, was freely improvised…complete with clams. I = also used my Paul Reed Smith Archtop hollow-body electric, rather than = the acoustic. The question is, how am I going to fit 28 songs on a = CD!!!

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm<= /FONT>  (the newest material is = marked 2005 and listed below)

Ataraxia = - My interpretation of the ancient = Greek skeptic state of being or mind "Ataraxia" or = "Tranquility of the Soul", which is achievable by practicing = "epoche" or "suspension of = believe"

Psycho-Plane = - For some reason, this reminds me = of the SoundTrack for "Halloween", though my memory of that = masterpiece is very scanty. ;)

Chicken = Hawk - Yeeeeh Hawwwww!!!  Just a little slice of country in = this one…I used to play in a country band, and it must have = slipped out…but not too much

Five - Short, = spunky tune in 5/4
Dark Forest = Dance - Sort of playful, yet obscurity and darkness slips in = toward the end
Discourse with = a Wave - The impossible and = fantastic conversation I would have with a sub-atomic particle after it = splits in the famous dual slit experiment and exhibits both wave and = particle properties...you can feel the wave in slow = time

Postlude to the = Thing - My interpretation and = continuation of the movie, "The Thing" (1982)
Siva's = Horizon - A darker ambient = piece with guitar work that has a subtle = Eastern/Middle-Eastern feel...depicting the imminent end of the world - = the horizon....hence the Hindu god Siva the Destroyer.

Super = Vibe - More in the jazz fusion = groove
Eccentrics = & Apparitions - Grand = finale and long sucker….starts in the jazz feel, but leaves it = very soon.

Cheers,

**********************************************************= ****************************
Krispen Hartung =
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com
View = improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartun= g/catalogue.htm#videos
Interactive tour = of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C52E15.EA633BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 15:05:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2LK35M29212; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:03:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:03:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C52E50.D7D4AA7E" Subject: Andre Lafosse @ The Monkey Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Andre Lafosse @ The Monkey Thread-Index: AcUuUNeIMUvIYN/sS0KmCiHRW1vfuQ== From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 20:01:58.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6D82CC0:01C52E50] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52E50.D7D4AA7E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What an extraordinary experience!! To my ears, Andre is pioneering a new genre of playing. I'm not an expert on the topic but after lurking here for many years, I feel comfortable suggesting (not that I'd be the first) that Andre's approach is dramatically different than other looping I've heard. After tuning into the http://www.venetowest.com broadcast referenced here a few weeks ago, I listened to a number of tracks available at his web site (www.altruistmusic.com ) and was impressed enough to get tickets to his Friday show at the Monkey. I invited a few unsuspecting friends (one that may have been a touch to vocal during the show - sorry). The live experience surpassed my expectations. Andre's performance was funky, coherent and stunning. Heads were bopping on most every tune! One tune had a Indian groove (Raga?) to it, another took from the Police's Material World, another relied heavily on the reverse feature to great effect. My only disappointment was that he didn't slow down and give a bit of a primer on what he was doing. Of course, after the show he was readily available for questions and chat with gearheads and novices alike. =20 =20 =20 The other star of the show was The Monkey itself. What an intimate space! The 5.1 surround sound was put to good use with the FIVE echoplexi that Andre utilized. At different times each speaker had a separate loop feeding it and the aural separation had me spinning my head around.=20 =20 I look forward to keeping up with happenings down at the Monkey. =20 =20 All around it was a great experience. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52E50.D7D4AA7E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What an extraordinary experience!!  To my ears, = Andre is pioneering a new genre of playing.  I’m not an expert on = the topic but after lurking here for many years, I feel comfortable = suggesting (not that I’d be the first) that Andre’s approach is dramatically different than other looping I’ve heard. After tuning into the http://www.venetowest.com =  broadcast referenced here a few weeks ago, I listened to a number of tracks = available at his web site (www.altruistmusic.com) and was impressed enough to get tickets to his Friday show at the = Monkey. I invited a few unsuspecting friends (one that may have been a touch to = vocal during the show – sorry).  The live experience surpassed my expectations.  Andre’s performance was funky, coherent and stunning.  Heads were bopping on most every tune!   One = tune had a Indian groove (Raga?) to it, another took from the Police’s = Material World, another relied heavily on the reverse feature to great = effect.  My only disappointment was that he didn’t slow down and give a bit of = a primer on what he was doing.  Of course, after the show he was = readily available for questions and chat with gearheads and novices alike.  =

 

 

The other star of the show was The Monkey = itself.  What an intimate space!  The 5.1 surround sound was put to good use with = the FIVE echoplexi that Andre utilized. At different times each speaker had = a separate loop feeding it and the aural separation had me spinning my head around. =

 

I look forward to keeping up with happenings down at = the Monkey. 

 

 All around it was a great experience.  =

------_=_NextPart_001_01C52E50.D7D4AA7E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 16:16:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2LLEHd11179; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:12:06 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: running two amps at once In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 21-03-05 20:30, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 6:12 PM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote: >> sorry to be too vague originally. other than the boomerang and dl4 >> the effects are rather simple. all of the effects run before the >> boomerang in the chain and no effects are added to the boomerang's >> output. current setup is a fender deluxe strat > morley mono volume >> pedal > snarling dogs mold spore wah/ring modulator > ibanez ts9 >> deluxe tube screamer > dunlop jimi hendrix model crybaby > line 6 >> dl4 delay modeler (being ran mono right now) > boomerang+ phrase >> sampler > '65 reissue Fender super reverb 4x10". >> my exact intentions are for every sound that comes out of the >> boomerang to be transmitted by a seperate 2x12" combo and that amp >> only. my guitar should be sounding from the 4x10" combo only for a >> larger lead sound. both amps will run simultaneously so no a/b >> switch should be necessary. hopefully this makes everything a little >> clearer. thank you. > > This makes everything a lot clearer. All you need to do is to split > the signal before the Boomerang and send one leg to the 4x10" and the > other leg to the Boomerang and thence to the 2x12". This will give > you the sound of the guitar, with all the effects, coming from the > 4x10" and the output of the Boomerang (also with all the effects as > they are recorded into loops on the 'rang) coming from the 2x12". > > You can split the signal using simple, cheap, passive "Y" adapters. > You can buy these pretty much anywhere. The most flexible choice will > be to use an adapter with one male plug and two female jacks, plus > two 1/4" TS cables. Plug the male end into the left output of the DL4 > and then use the two cables to attach the Y-adapter (Female #1) -> > Boomerang and the Y-adapter (Female #2) to the 4x10". Well, looks like that makes more sence than what I just wrote. Some times its hard beeing dyslectic. I was sure you wanted the same signal going out of the boomerang to the two amps and then use the 4*10 as a live boost. In that case my advise would give you that result. However wanting something else my advice is pretty worthless, sorry : ) Still, I really recommend the effectloop mastervolume control. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 21 18:06:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2LN4Ho03321; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:04:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:04:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:53:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: running two amps at once Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:12 PM +0100 3/21/05, Jan A Johnsen wrote: >Well, looks like that makes more sence than what I just wrote. Some times >its hard beeing dyslectic. I was sure you wanted the same signal going out >of the boomerang to the two amps and then use the 4*10 as a live boost. >In that case my advise would give you that result. However wanting something >else my advice is pretty worthless, sorry : ) Give yourself a break! Some of the most interesting innovations start out as mistakes. Anyway - the central issue here is to help Andy (and others just getting familiar with complex systems) to gain a conceptual "handle" on signal routing in a musical context. It can be useful to have a few alternatives for consideration, even if some aren't immediately put to use. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 09:59:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MEtJG30415; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:55:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C52EEE.BB3B44C5" Subject: RE: USB audio problems Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: USB audio problems Thread-Index: AcUtc+3ojXwlnCUTQYCPWSzoK7NuCQBeS05Q From: "Reinaldo Perez" To: Resent-Message-ID: <_JDo6D.A.7YH.tGDQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52EEE.BB3B44C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had problems with my Dell Inspiron 8600 and MOTU828 glitching. After talking to two Dell customer service guys who couldn't help, they bumped me up to a Tier 3 guy who immediately told me to run MSCONFIG from the Run menu and turn off all startup items and reboot. I did so and tried it again and was able to record audio without any glitches into Logic Audio 5.5. I tried it with a couple of other audio apps such as Ambiloop and no glitching. =20 =20 I gradually started turning on DLLs while checking for glitches. It seems that some of the things that run in the background that are automatically installed within Windows by Microsoft or other vendors can cause interrupts. One way you might be able to see this is to open Task Manger and look at the Performance tab. If you see spikes happening regularly, then it's possible that you have a background app that's causing the problem. =20 =20 Take a look at www.MusicXP.net for tips on how to fine-tune your PC for audio. By the way, I've tried it since with an Edirol UA25 USB audio/midi device and it works as well when the tweaks are in place. Hope this helps. =20 Reni =20 -----Original Message----- From: Devin Smith [mailto:dvidedevo@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: USB audio problems=20 =20 Well, for those of you who may recall, I was having glitching/skipping with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz Celeron) running XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous system usage.=20 =20 I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the problem, so I "upgraded" to a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The glitching is 10 times worse when I plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. Why? =20 Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, and the glitching occurs when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went out and bought two sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess what... It still glitches just as much.=20 =20 Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may have problems with interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I noticed today that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some static and radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this normal? I did plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes a difference.=20 =20 I just can't figure what it might be. If the wiring of the computer is in fact the problem, than 1. why does the glitching still occur with the PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur even when running off of the battery?=20 =20 Again, any help would be great. -Devin=20 _____ =20 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52EEE.BB3B44C5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to the Atlantic Philanthropies

I had problems with my = Dell Inspiron = 8600 and = MOTU828 = glitching.  After talking to two Dell customer service guys who couldn’t help, they bumped = me up to a Tier 3= guy who immediately told me to run MSCONFIG from the Run = menu and turn off all startup items and reboot.  I did so and tried it again = and was able to record audio without any glitches into Logic Audio = 5.5.  I = tried it with a couple of other audio apps such as Ambiloop and no glitching.  =

 

I gradually started turning on = DLLs while checking for glitches.  It seems that some of the things that = run in the background that are automatically installed within Windows by = Microsoft or other vendors can cause interrupts.  One way you might be able to = see this is to open Task Manger and look at the Performance tab.  If you see = spikes happening regularly, then it’s possible that you have a background = app that’s causing the problem. 

 

Take a look at www.MusicXP.net for tips on how to = fine-tune your PC for audio.  By the way, I’ve tried it since with an = Edirol UA25 USB = audio/midi device and it works as well when the tweaks are in place.  Hope this = helps.

 

Reni

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Devin Smith [mailto:dvidedevo@yahoo.com]
Sent:
Sunday, March = 20, 2005 12:42 PM
To:
Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
Subject: USB audio = problems

 

Well, for those of you who may recall, I was = having glitching/skipping with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz Celeron) running XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous = system usage.

 

I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the = problem, so I "upgraded" to a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The = glitching is 10 times worse when I plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. = Why?

 

Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, = and the glitching occurs when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went = out and bought two sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess = what... It still glitches just as much.

 

Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may = have problems with interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I noticed today that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some = static and radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this = normal? I did plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes a difference.

 

I just can't figure what it might be. If the wiring of the computer is in fact the problem, than 1. why = does the glitching still occur with the PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur = even when running off of the battery? 

 

Again, any help would be = great.

-Devin 


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Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got a couple gigs, obviously featuring much loopage, and even more very fine music, coming up in England - 12th - The Joogleberry Theatre , Brighton, Sussex - a triple bill - me solo, duo with Theo Travis , and guesting with fabulous solo bassist/singer-songwriter, John Lester ! Tix £7 doors 8pm. Theo and I will also be joined by Tim Bowness on looped vocals for part of our duo set (I'll be playing solo, duo with Theo, and guesting on a tune or two with John Lester) www.joogleberry.com 14th - CB2 , Norfolk Street, Cambridge - a triple bill - me solo, duo with Theo Travis , and guesting with John Lester Doors 7pm, Tix £6/£4 concs. http://www.cb1.com/cb2/index.html hope to see you there! tell your friends... :o) Both venues have a nice cafe/bar upstairs, so are good places to arrange an LD meet-up before the gig... Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 12:16:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MHCPS23002; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:12:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:12:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:10:01 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: USB audio problems In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42405169.9060801@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reinaldo Perez wrote: > I had problems with my Dell Inspiron 8600 and MOTU828 glitching. After > talking to two Dell customer service guys who couldn’t help, they bumped > me up to a Tier 3 guy who immediately told me to run MSCONFIG from the > Run menu and turn off all startup items and reboot. There is a very nice utility here that displays a comprehensive list of the things that run when you boot, more than msconfig. http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/autoruns.shtml If you surf the net on this PC you should also use a spyware scanner like Ad-Aware. www.lavasoft.com And of course do a virus scan. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 12:30:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MHPnl27113; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322171059.02b63820@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:25:13 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available In-Reply-To: <200503221652.j2MGqBi18230@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503221652.j2MGqBi18230@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6fWF0B.A.fmG.CUFQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Most Echoplex functionality emulated pretty accurately (good enough for me >considering I own an echoplex thus far) While Mobius is very impressive in it's own right, I think this is something of an exaggeration. There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface Modes), and some that it never will because the way the memory is used is fundamentally different (Loop Windowing). ...and no "Reverse Sniplets" :-) however , hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set way beyond EDP in many ways. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 12:37:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MHXUD28391; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503221733.j2MHX5x28332@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta 7 Available Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322171059.02b63820@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUvBDLiDq+39nMdTT+NExdIuaFmAgAADv9Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It has Interface modes? and whats 'reverse sniplets' nope no loopwindowing but, that's alright in about one hour my EDP is gone,Ta ta.... (all I have to worry about is payments, shipping, etc...) Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. I will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an ASIO capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program. -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available >Most Echoplex functionality emulated pretty accurately (good enough for >me considering I own an echoplex thus far) While Mobius is very impressive in it's own right, I think this is something of an exaggeration. There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface Modes), and some that it never will because the way the memory is used is fundamentally different (Loop Windowing). ...and no "Reverse Sniplets" :-) however , hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set way beyond EDP in many ways. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 13:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MIReF04217; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:27:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:27:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <15.4138355f.2f71bd4f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:26:23 EST Subject: behringer-edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15.4138355f.2f71bd4f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <_jp9_D.A.79.gNGQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15.4138355f.2f71bd4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello again from montana, is there a basic step by step description of how to program a behringer fcb 1010 with the edp available? thank you, john --part1_15.4138355f.2f71bd4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello again from montana,

is there a basic step by step description of how to program a behringer fcb=20= 1010 with the edp available?

thank you,
john
--part1_15.4138355f.2f71bd4f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 13:38:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MIZrt05818; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:35:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Some of my new music....downloadable Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:35:03 -0700 Message-ID: <008501c52f0d$dd427e90$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 120, in=274, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi there Kris, I just wanted to respond and say that I've been enjoying your latest tracks quite a bit. Good playing and your improvisations frequently sound very "composed." Some really interesting musical ideas in there -- and fancy guitar processing too BTW. I can imagine several ways you might be doing it -- but how ARE you getting the "soft attack" sort of synth-flutey guitar tone on the track "Ataraxia", VG-88? Good work. Keep posting it. I'll buy a copy of the CD when it's finished. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn ************************************************************************ ****** Thanks, Ted. I really appreciate the comments. :) You are correct in that I have been trying to use more recurring themes in my latest works, which comes across as more composed. When I said most of my material was composed, this was indicating that on a few songs I actually did spend a few minutes experimenting with an arrangement before hitting the EDP record button, in order to work out a base part, especially the songs that have more jazz-like chordal work such as Super Vibe. I can freely improvise that chord work, but just decided to pre-arrange something beforehand on that song...then everything after that base chord work - solos, melodies, textures, etc - is all freely improvised. Not that I don't like the more obscure and less repetitive approach...I just need to balance composition techniques once in a while, if not for my own sanity, for the sake of listeners who don't always get off on a 15 minute song that is seemingly chaotic and without a simple theme they can latch on to psychologically. I guess I'm a "pluralist" in this respect, in that I advocate many approaches, either individually in balance or blended. It's all a part of the overall took-kit. The "fancy guitar processing"...oh yes, I am really enjoying the new patches I made from the Lexicon LXP5 and Boss VF-1....they opened up some new ground. You ask: "how ARE you getting the "soft attack" sort of synth-flutey guitar tone on the track "Ataraxia", VG-88?" That sound is from the brass guitar synth patch of the Boss GT-3....or maybe the Boss VF-1. I can't remember, but they are both the exact same patch. I modified the patch by rolling off the highs, to produce a more mellow and softer tone. As for the attack, that is just me. The GT-3 and VF-1 guitar synth patches, especially the brass waveform, are REALLY good at capturing the natural dynamics of the guitar and my playing. Some folks poooh poooh these units, but the sensitivity is really nice if you setup the patch parameters correctly. I can pick very softly and the unit will actually accurately reflect this dynamic. The saw or string waveforms are not this cooperative. They seem to be more on-off in behavior. I am naturally more biased toward brass and woodwinds, rather than string tones for soloing. Sometimes the timbre of violins and cellos doesn't appeal to my ear. Kris ----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some of my new music....downloadable I just uploaded a ton of my new improvisational music on SoundClick, all freely downloadable and playable from the site. The new material is everything associated with the to-be-released CD "1/6" with the 2005 date, all recorded using two EDPs, my new rack setup. and the Alesis Masterlink: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Most of this material, as usual, was freely improvised.complete with clams. I also used my Paul Reed Smith Archtop hollow-body electric, rather than the acoustic. The question is, how am I going to fit 28 songs on a CD!!! http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm (the newest material is marked 2005 and listed below) Ataraxia - My interpretation of the ancient Greek skeptic state of being or mind "Ataraxia" or "Tranquility of the Soul", which is achievable by practicing "epoche" or "suspension of believe" Psycho-Plane - For some reason, this reminds me of the SoundTrack for "Halloween", though my memory of that masterpiece is very scanty. ;) Chicken Hawk - Yeeeeh Hawwwww!!! Just a little slice of country in this one.I used to play in a country band, and it must have slipped out.but not too much Five - Short, spunky tune in 5/4 Dark Forest Dance - Sort of playful, yet obscurity and darkness slips in toward the end Discourse with a Wave - The impossible and fantastic conversation I would have with a sub-atomic particle after it splits in the famous dual slit experiment and exhibits both wave and particle properties...you can feel the wave in slow time Postlude to the Thing - My interpretation and continuation of the movie, "The Thing" (1982) Siva's Horizon - A darker ambient piece with guitar work that has a subtle Eastern/Middle-Eastern feel...depicting the imminent end of the world - the horizon....hence the Hindu god Siva the Destroyer. Super Vibe - More in the jazz fusion groove Eccentrics & Apparitions - Grand finale and long sucker..starts in the jazz feel, but leaves it very soon. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 13:59:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MIu6L08772; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:55:25 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322171059.02b63820@pop.tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42406A1D.1050901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200503221652.j2MGqBi18230@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050322171059.02b63820@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a k butler wrote: > There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface > Modes) True. Aside from random bugs, the following are the more obvious EDP features that are not currently supported by Mobius. External synchronization in general Most long presses Loop Windowing Short Undo TempoSelect ReAlign MuteReAlign QuantMIDIStartSong MuteQuantMIDIStartSong QuantStartPoint BeatTriggerSample MIDIBeatSync MIDI Smart Buttons, also known as "Double Clicks" SamplerStyle=Attack Velocity triggering Loop/Delay (InterfaceMode) >, and some that it never will because the way the memory is used > is fundamentally different (Loop Windowing). Actually, I had said this in some of my very early messages, but since then I've changed the memory architecture and a side effect is that loop windowing is now rather trivial. I postponed this to add VST support, but you will eventually be able to move the window forward and backward, and "nudge" the edges forward and backward using the pitch bend wheel to give you more control over the size and content of the window. > ...and no "Reverse Sniplets" I'm intrigued, what is this? :-) > hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set > way beyond EDP in many ways. Thanks. The feature that seems to be generating the most interest right now is scripts. In a simple example, you can use them like "macros" to perform functions using a set of parameter values that may be different from the current preset. In more complex examples you can use them to "sequence" a set of functions to happen at specific times, either absolute or relative to the length of the loop. Scripts really became necessary when people started trying to control multiple looper tracks, for example retriggering tracks 1 & 2, muting track 3, and starting a record in track 4. But I could drone on about this forever :-) If anyone is interested in more detail there is a Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 14:12:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MJ9Xs11965; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:09:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503221908.j2MJ89x11701@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta 7 Available Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:08:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <42406A1D.1050901@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUvENDcsqobHh9MTsmZrx3pKCZiDgAAJESw Resent-Message-ID: <26TQgB.A.I3C.a0GQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Delay Interface: Can be simulated by doing a record and then using overdubs with feedback reduced from 127 I did this the other day (should have posted that one) Mobius accomplishes most of what I wanted so, I am just an over enthusiastic Mobius user :) Perhaps I should have stated that it emulates enough of what I want from an EDP (Glitchy rhythmic loops) :) -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available a k butler wrote: > There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface > Modes) True. Aside from random bugs, the following are the more obvious EDP features that are not currently supported by Mobius. External synchronization in general Most long presses Loop Windowing Short Undo TempoSelect ReAlign MuteReAlign QuantMIDIStartSong MuteQuantMIDIStartSong QuantStartPoint BeatTriggerSample MIDIBeatSync MIDI Smart Buttons, also known as "Double Clicks" SamplerStyle=Attack Velocity triggering Loop/Delay (InterfaceMode) >, and some that it never will because the way the memory is used > is fundamentally different (Loop Windowing). Actually, I had said this in some of my very early messages, but since then I've changed the memory architecture and a side effect is that loop windowing is now rather trivial. I postponed this to add VST support, but you will eventually be able to move the window forward and backward, and "nudge" the edges forward and backward using the pitch bend wheel to give you more control over the size and content of the window. > ...and no "Reverse Sniplets" I'm intrigued, what is this? :-) > hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set > way beyond EDP in many ways. Thanks. The feature that seems to be generating the most interest right now is scripts. In a simple example, you can use them like "macros" to perform functions using a set of parameter values that may be different from the current preset. In more complex examples you can use them to "sequence" a set of functions to happen at specific times, either absolute or relative to the length of the loop. Scripts really became necessary when people started trying to control multiple looper tracks, for example retriggering tracks 1 & 2, muting track 3, and starting a record in track 4. But I could drone on about this forever :-) If anyone is interested in more detail there is a Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 14:16:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MJDVk13392; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:13:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:13:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:11:41 +0100 From: Jan A Johnsen Subject: Re: running two amps at once In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2MJBkx12427 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 21-03-05 22:53, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 10:12 PM +0100 3/21/05, Jan A Johnsen wrote: > >> Well, looks like that makes more sence than what I just wrote. Some times >> its hard beeing dyslectic. I was sure you wanted the same signal going out >> of the boomerang to the two amps and then use the 4*10 as a live boost. >> In that case my advise would give you that result. However wanting something >> else my advice is pretty worthless, sorry : ) > > Give yourself a break! Some of the most interesting innovations start > out as mistakes. Anyway - the central issue here is to help Andy (and > others just getting familiar with complex systems) to gain a > conceptual "handle" on signal routing in a musical context. It can be > useful to have a few alternatives for consideration, even if some > aren't immediately put to use. Thatıs a healthy perspective Richard! Guess I can quote David Lee Roth then: On break, coming up! changeŠ nothing stays the same... And so on Gear and combinations are always changing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 15:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MK8TA31269; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c52f1a$a95cbed0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200503221733.j2MHX5x28332@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:57:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2Zar5B.A.qlH.UrHQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. > I > will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an > ASIO > capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program. ASIO4All works with soundcards that have a WDM driver. Even the internal sound chips in notebook pcs. http://www.asio4all.com/ Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 15:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MKTUS02566; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:29:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:29:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503222029.j2MKT2x02482@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta 7 Available Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:28:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <008301c52f1a$a95cbed0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUvGuzk3ZZvBkZZT1SEdmQ5d9vu6AAAqxnw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good find Tony might help a few people out, no doubt! Thanks :) -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available > Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. > I > will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an > ASIO capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program. ASIO4All works with soundcards that have a WDM driver. Even the internal sound chips in notebook pcs. http://www.asio4all.com/ Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 22 17:17:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2MME6U21842; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42409814.6070506@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:11:32 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available References: <200503222029.j2MKT2x02482@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200503222029.j2MKT2x02482@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using asio4all on my laptop for about a year now, and I've had no major issues. It works quite well, and I'm getting a pro response from the builtin soundcard in my laptop, about 3-5 milliseconds of latency, which is very good indeed - just letting you guys know ;-) Andreas Alan Kroeger wrote: >Good find Tony might help a few people out, no doubt! > >Thanks :) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:58 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available > > > >>Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. >>I >>will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an >>ASIO capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program. >> >> > >ASIO4All works with soundcards that have a WDM driver. Even the internal >sound chips in notebook pcs. > >http://www.asio4all.com/ > >Tony > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 03:22:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2N8JZS22053; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:19:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:19:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:16:23 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: OT: roland sbx-10 schematics/service manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <424125D7.6010106@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm beginning to doubt the existence of said manual. so i'm asking everywhere. does anyone know where i can find one? thanks, shayne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 03:43:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2N8eXm25499; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:40:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:39:03 +0000 From: Norman Lamont X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal Reply-To: Norman Lamont X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <892545150.20050323083903@normanlamont.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AC adaptors (OT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers-Delight, I have an effects board with several things including a guitar synth and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to step down the voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big power strip. I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have one power socket which seems to power a number of pedals. I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that you can run several pedals from? Does such a thing exist? -- Best regards, Norman mailto:groups@normanlamont.com www.normanlamont.com http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 07:34:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NCVdP01371; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:31:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:31:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010401c52fa4$1cfe5860$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:30:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52FAC.7EAACB90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52FAC.7EAACB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this isn't a looping topic,=20 but I'd like to share with you the pleasure that give me the latest = album of Adrian Belew. It's very difficoult a categorization, SIDE ONE pass trough rock, pop, = alternative, and some other genres, confirming the talent of Andrian in = composition, in playing, and in discovering new sounds and rythmic = architettures. Sometimes, I've heard some loops and reverse effect (...as usual). Even if I am a keyboardist i was always attracted by the guitarists: i = like King Crimson and Robert Fripp (....I like Paco de Lucia and egberto = Gismonti too...)..., but Adrian Belew is pure "genius". Someone have hear Side one ? Greetings Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52FAC.7EAACB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know this isn't a=20 looping topic,
but  I'd like to = share with=20 you the pleasure that give me the latest album of Adrian = Belew.
It's very difficoult a=20 categorization, SIDE ONE pass trough rock, pop, = alternative, and=20 some other genres, confirming the talent of Andrian in composition, = in=20 playing, and in discovering new sounds and rythmic = architettures.
Sometimes, I've heard = some=20 loops  and reverse effect (...as usual).
Even if I am a = keyboardist i was=20 always attracted by the guitarists: i like King Crimson and Robert = Fripp=20 (....I like Paco de Lucia and egberto Gismonti too...)..., but Adrian = Belew is=20 pure "genius".
Someone have = hear Side=20 one ?
Greetings
Fabio
 
 
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
http://stage.vitaminic.it/e= terogeneo
------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C52FAC.7EAACB90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 08:12:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ND9X508619; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:09:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Hov+W5zoo9Wi4+CEBW5r9SJsuSEI/c69+x+QO/Fv2QOSbGqvD8W3jpi1jJX/uCJme7ibIRzzEb/kY4fntRE8+9ija+mnF3FZDb1LnXzyr+ENEIga7oWJe2hXYI/oj3Kh9MQS5MKcKTxCu5V2BCr1kR5wYOdN8/Kc3Lf+1EvBh0o= ; Message-ID: <20050323130815.13223.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) To: Norman Lamont , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_r8kyD.A.vEC.EpWQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9. Black box with several leads coming out of it that plug into my various fx pedals and powers them all. I read a review just now that said this one is noisy, but I've never had any. There are other models out there as well. Mike --- Norman Lamont wrote: > Hello Loopers-Delight, > > I have an effects board with several things > including a guitar synth > and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to > step down the > voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big > power strip. > > I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have > one power socket > which seems to power a number of pedals. > > I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that > you can run several > pedals from? Does such a thing exist? > > -- > Best regards, > Norman > mailto:groups@normanlamont.com > > www.normanlamont.com > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 09:10:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NE85O19961; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:08:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:08:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1111586772.424177d499d22@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:06:12 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) References: <20050323130815.13223.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050323130815.13223.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.89.160.22 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Norman, You can check out this as well: http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting mike feeney : > I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9. Black box > with several leads coming out of it that plug into my > various fx pedals and powers them all. I read a > review just now that said this one is noisy, but I've > never had any. There are other models out there as > well. > > Mike > > --- Norman Lamont wrote: > > Hello Loopers-Delight, > > > > I have an effects board with several things > > including a guitar synth > > and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to > > step down the > > voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big > > power strip. > > > > I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have > > one power socket > > which seems to power a number of pedals. > > > > I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that > > you can run several > > pedals from? Does such a thing exist? > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Norman > > mailto:groups@normanlamont.com > > > > www.normanlamont.com > > > > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1 > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 11:31:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NGSFw17228; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:28:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c52fc5$0ce898c0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <200503221652.j2MGqBi18230@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050322171059.02b63820@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <42406A1D.1050901@sun.com> Subject: Error on starting version 7... Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:26:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When starting v7: Process Description: Process Name: C:\Program Files\Mobius\mobius.exe Module Description: System Generated Module Name: System Generated Dialog Caption: System Generated Dialog Text: The instruction at 0x78009047 tried to access memory at 0x00000000, the read failed. Windows 2000 SP4, all updates Gigabyte / Sempron MB/CPU, 1.9GHz, nVidia2 chipset ATI All-in-Wonder Pro 128 (to be replaced in May) 256MB SDRAM 30GB Free on HDD, no errors, fairly defragmented Running software at time of incident: MS Anti-Spyware Spybot S&D Trend Virus via Fix-it Pro Tablet driver for DrawingBoard III This error is repeatable, and the addresses referred to above do not change. What else might I tell you? Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com * "I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse." *- Buckaroo Banzai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 12:07:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NGt7k26589; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:55:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c52fc8$f4c91270$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <200503221652.j2MGqBi18230@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050322171059.02b63820@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <42406A1D.1050901@sun.com> <001c01c52fc5$0ce898c0$0207a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Error on starting version 7... Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:54:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 16:26 PM Subject: Error on starting version 7... Sorry about that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 12:37:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NHXR906538; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:33:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:31:36 -0700 Message-Id: <200503231731.j2NHVa124497@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Alesis Ineko X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many thanks to Rick Walker and those of you who recommended the Alesis Ineko for serious tone mangling. I just got mine yesterday and was pretty floored by the amount of mayhem that little box can produce. I never would have thought that it could cause so much sonic damage. And the size is perfect, so small. Glad I finally got one. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 12:38:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NHZYZ07165; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:35:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:28:26 EST Subject: Re: Adrian Belew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f6.4ce4d039.2f73013a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f6.4ce4d039.2f73013a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio, I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us aware of it. There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for streaming at: http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3 Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly about it's being too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing but respect=20 for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get around to buying this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out later this year. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_f6.4ce4d039.2f73013a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio,

I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us aware of it.

There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for streaming at:

http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3

Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly about it's being
too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing but respect
for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get around to buying
this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out later this year.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_f6.4ce4d039.2f73013a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 12:46:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NHbXK07647; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:37:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:36:02 -0700 Message-Id: <200503231736.j2NHa2i27217@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Alesis Ineko X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many thanks to Rick Walker and those of you who recommended the Alesis Ineko for serious tone mangling. I just got mine yesterday and was pretty floored by the amount of mayhem that little box can produce. I never would have thought that it could cause so much sonic damage. And the size is perfect, so small. Glad I finally got one. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 12:55:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NHpRo11174; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:51:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:51:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=WbDcvmLGYpaw8duKfLwc+gDDcBAM27Da4wDfFxSMZxm81jMUASRqlTBQNnyqKMEmC3xRDmUoB1SSrfTeS2wfz6h/Rh/y7sAm3Sa5Kzb+ot0WO7odg/Ql+DKHe2C/YQI1l87KXdHT6YyPn535fXB/MyY2tn84qt3rpG6qybFy0cI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:43:49 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: roland sbx-10 schematics/service manual In-Reply-To: <424125D7.6010106@sasktel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <424125D7.6010106@sasktel.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.candisc.com/ranger/manuals1.htm On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:16:23 -0600, Shayne Cafferata wrote: > i'm beginning to doubt the existence of said manual. so i'm asking > everywhere. does anyone know where i can find one? > thanks, > shayne > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 13:02:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NHwBj12673; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:58:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:58:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:42:14 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Error on starting version 7... In-reply-to: <001c01c52fc5$0ce898c0$0207a8c0@eluk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42419C66.6050904@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200503221652.j2MGqBi18230@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050322171059.02b63820@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <42406A1D.1050901@sun.com> <001c01c52fc5$0ce898c0$0207a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: <-B-F3B.A.cAD.W3aQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen Goodman wrote: > When starting v7: There is a mysterious problem that I haven't been able to isolate that causes Mobius to crash on Windows 2000 whenever it loads a script. It doesn't happen on XP, only 2000. Go into the mobius installation directory (usually c:\Program Files\Mobius) and delete the file "init.scr" if it exists. Also edit the mobius.xml file in a text editor and remove any lines inside the element, for example: delete the two lines containing ScriptRef elements. If neither of those changes works, send me private email or post a message to groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius and we can discuss it further. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 14:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NHL0M03702; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4241A52A.6040801@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:19:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 19, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050319.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #64 March 19, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the series of CDs from Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Boots & Aerts] The Silence of the Truth of Dare (Groove) Scream VA [Rapp, E.vdHeijden, Alien Bug Hunt Four the Truth (Groove) & Boots] VA [Keller,Schonwalder, Synapsys Struggle of Four the Truth (Groove) & H.vdHeijden] Life's Recordings VA [Marselje & Munz] Who Is It? Four the Truth (Groove) VA [Boots & Obmana] Acknowledged Contact Four the Truth (Groove) VA [Boddy & Boots] Gross Misconduct Four the Truth (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Nick Webb River Bed 3 Sonosync (Farfield) Kayanis Lost Tribe Machines and Dreams (Hardbeat) Lino Salsa a la Mode Return to Avalon (DMI) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Steve Thorne Ten Years Emotional Creatures Vol 1 (Giant Electric Pea) Steve Thorne Last Line Emotional Creatures Vol 1 (Giant Electric Pea) VA [Martin Maheux] Red Shift Progression in Balance Vol 1 (Unicorn) IQ Harvest of Souls Dark Matter (Giant Electric Pea) Hidria Spacefolk Pako Originaux Live Eleven am (NEARfest) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on April 2. On the next show, I will continue the special on the series of CDs from Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 14:24:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NJJjx03620; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:19:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:19:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050323191739.49247.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Adrian Belew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd totally agree with that review. Feels almost like an EP to me. Also songs feel unfinished to some degree. Great ideas that he didn't spend the time to work to their conclusion. If you're a fan, get it. There are some nice cuts and great performances. If you're not and looking for a taste, skip it and go for Desire of the Lone Rino King. Mark --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Fabio, > > I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us > aware of it. > > There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for > streaming at: > > http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3 > > Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly > about it's being > too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing > but respect > for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get > around to buying > this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out > later this year. > > Best regards, > > tEd kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 15:31:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NKQTn20019; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=KABVq7WSqMuoKUJ6CNcLRRGmZAOzhpmpI/Po8iHcEswJcJZqmaibnmXxruIW1/O+rmbggEE5NUrlqN0npDghgnCrG7pUqVV7z7YeyuXcuOz/uU2Xv+e03wpX4X+l+NhkJUJ9G9yoDfaZ1YeDfl85rAxPrP351cTT6V3ot1Mcmag= ; Message-ID: <20050323202458.36982.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:24:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beware of the PS-9; I have a couple of them, and a month or two ago, playing out of town, three of the six outlets on the one I'd brought with me suddenly failed, forcing me to prioritize in real-time which of my pedals I was gonna do without for the rest of the evening. (This was already my stripped-down rig, and it didn't leave much...) It took my DD-3 out with it, too. -t- --- mike feeney wrote: > I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9. Black box > with several leads coming out of it that plug into > my > various fx pedals and powers them all. I read a > review just now that said this one is noisy, but > I've > never had any. There are other models out there as > well. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 16:00:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NKuhW25771; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:56:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <010401c52fa4$1cfe5860$040a0a0a@fabio> References: <010401c52fa4$1cfe5860$040a0a0a@fabio> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-160118799 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:55:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-5-160118799 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Adrian is amazing and also one of the nicest guys you will ever meet in =20= the music business. Its great that he can play really crazy avant garde =20= stuff like King Crimson or Zappa and then play beautiful understated =20 acoustic work like his playing on Tori Amos' strange little girls and =20= be so great at both. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, =20= Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the =20= art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & =20= Cher) On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > I know this isn't a looping=A0topic, > but=A0 I'd like to share with you the pleasure that give me the = latest =20 > album of Adrian Belew. > It's very difficoult a categorization,=A0SIDE ONE=A0pass trough=A0rock, = pop, =20 > alternative, and some other genres, confirming the=A0talent of Andrian = =20 > in composition, in playing, and in discovering new sounds and rythmic =20= > architettures. > Sometimes, I've heard some loops=A0 and reverse effect (...as usual). > Even if I am a keyboardist i was always attracted by the guitarists:=A0i= =20 > like King Crimson and Robert Fripp (....I like Paco de Lucia and =20 > egberto Gismonti too...)..., but Adrian Belew is pure "genius". > Someone have hear=A0Side one=A0? > Greetings > Fabio > =A0 > =A0 > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?=20 > tag=3Dquickurl > http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo =20= --Apple-Mail-5-160118799 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Adrian is amazing and also one of the nicest guys you will ever meet in the music business. Its great that he can play really crazy avant garde stuff like King Crimson or Zappa and then play beautiful understated acoustic work like his playing on Tori Amos' strange little girls and be so great at both. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: = Helvetica0000,0000,807F<= /param>I know this isn't a looping=A0topic, Helvetica0000,0000,807F but=A0 I'd like to share with you the pleasure that give me the latest album of Adrian Belew. = Helvetica0000,0000,807FIt= 's very difficoult a categorization,=A0SIDE ONE=A0pass trough=A0rock, pop, alternative, and some other genres, confirming the=A0talent of Andrian in composition, in playing, and in discovering new sounds and rythmic architettures. = Helvetica0000,0000,807FSo= metimes, I've heard some loops=A0 and reverse effect (...as = usual). = Helvetica0000,0000,807FEv= en if I am a keyboardist i was always attracted by the guitarists:=A0i like King Crimson and Robert Fripp (....I like Paco de Lucia and egberto Gismonti too...)..., but Adrian Belew is pure = "genius". = Helvetica0000,0000,807FSo= meone have hear=A0Side one=A0? = Helvetica0000,0000,807FGr= eetings = Helvetica0000,0000,807FFa= bio =A0 =A0 = Helvetica0000,0000,EEEDht= tp://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquickurl= = Helvetica0000,0000,EEEDht= tp://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo =20= --Apple-Mail-5-160118799-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 16:44:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NLeRg04790; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:40:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:40:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c52ff0$b81e09c0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:33:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C52FC6.115CED60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C52FC6.115CED60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got mine the other day (signed copy, available from his website) and = aside from it being too short, I think it's great. I'm a fan of Les = Claypool and Danny Carey too, so that's just bonus. There are going to = be 2 more cds as part of the 'set.' =20 Adrian mentions that he's doing some looping in the interviews he's done = recently. Between 'Side One,' the new Porcupine Tree, Kris's new stuff, and a huge = collection of live Sleepytime Gorilla Museum I found, I'm having a grand = old time listening to new music today. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Fabio, I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us aware of it. There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for streaming at: http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3 Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly about it's being too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing but respect=20 for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get around to buying this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out later this year. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C52FC6.115CED60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got mine the other day (signed copy, = available=20 from his website)  and aside from it being too short, I think it's=20 great.  I'm a fan of Les Claypool and Danny Carey too, so that's = just=20 bonus.  There are going to be 2 more cds as part of the = 'set.' =20
 
Adrian mentions that he's doing some = looping=20 in the interviews he's done recently.
 
Between 'Side One,' the new Porcupine = Tree, Kris's=20 new stuff, and a huge collection of live Sleepytime Gorilla Museum I = found, I'm=20 having a grand old time listening to new music today.
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 = 12:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: Adrian Belew

Fabio,

I haven't bought the CD = yet. Thanks=20 for making us aware of it.

There's an interesting sample = "teaser"=20 posted for streaming at:

http:/= /www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3

Criticism that I've=20 read about the CD is mostly about it's being
too short (only about = 30 mins=20 long). I have nothing but respect
for Mr. Belew but I may wait = awhile=20 before I get around to buying
this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all = 3 sides=20 are out later this year.

Best regards,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're = an=20 artist."
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C52FC6.115CED60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 16:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NLrnl08241; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Looking for Fred Frith Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:35:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A while ago I did an interview with Fred Frith for the Swedish guitar player magazine. Now the mag wants to print it a little bigger than originally intended and we need to add a little more text on Fred's equipment. So I need to get back to Fred on the matter, but unfortunately I didn't keep his e-mail address. Does anyone know how to get in touch with him? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 17:00:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NLvec09393; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DR5l3b96wvJ1vArzrdNF0bX+D9STK/VGK6RRKyOoF29NiC4Mmcg3eP4hzQ9lq3Thxyl9TwyvESrB30mh1NwjjzBL02g6ie/vEztPpGqdv3FYcqKqRSnGTqhyviPc4xehrokKVqPtkwwuIjmNa+Co8x54W/ph2M6/9+KDzoPC7Jo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:56:06 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for Fred Frith In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you tried the "contact" link at: http://www.fredfrith.com/ ? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:35:52 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > A while ago I did an interview with Fred Frith for the Swedish guitar > player magazine. Now the mag wants to print it a little bigger than > originally intended and we need to add a little more text on Fred's > equipment. So I need to get back to Fred on the matter, but > unfortunately I didn't keep his e-mail address. Does anyone know how to > get in touch with him? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 17:32:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NMSug18726; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:19:27 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: DeArmond Weeper Wah wah - $75 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling a DeArmond Weeper vintage stomp box. All original and in very good condition. Model 1802 (the good one). Sounds great. Tyhese usually sell for over $100 and there's a few dealers with them up at $199. This is for a friend and he just wants a fast no nonsense sale so if you're interested let me know ASAP. Paypal is fine. Pics of actual unit: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/weeperfront.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/weeperside.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/weeperback.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/weeperbottom.jpg - ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 17:32:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NMTdd18857; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Looking for Fred Frith Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:56:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com frith@mills.edu On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > A while ago I did an interview with Fred Frith for the Swedish guitar > player magazine. Now the mag wants to print it a little bigger than > originally intended and we need to add a little more text on Fred's > equipment. So I need to get back to Fred on the matter, but > unfortunately I didn't keep his e-mail address. Does anyone know how > to get in touch with him? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 17:46:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NMhi222601; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:43:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:43:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <148.4106f1ea.2f734ae4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:42:44 EST Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.4106f1ea.2f734ae4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_148.4106f1ea.2f734ae4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Argh, I have similar questions about AC adapters and those "all-in-one" power units. I have a number of pedals with a variety of requirements. 7.5 volts, 9 volts, 12 volts, 18 volts and with different polarities (+/-). Frankly I am a little reluctant to trust these things with anything other than Boss pedals which are ALL 9 volt and the same polarity. I have an SKB PS-100 pedalboard that's got an internal power supply that works well with Boss stuff and a couple of other brands. But, I=20 am more than a little reluctant to plug it in to some of my weirder=20 "boutique" or "vintage" pedals for fear it might do damage to something that's darn near irreplaceable these days. Maybe I'm fearful for no reason. Some of this stuff is pretty rugged=20 and might survive a trial-and-error approach to seeing if a 3rd- party power supply would work or not. Without having some original=20 manuals and stuff it's hard to tell.=20 I know it's probably not practical for a lot of reasons, but I sure wish=20 more stuff came with internal power like my EDP does. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_148.4106f1ea.2f734ae4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Argh,

I have similar questions about AC adapters and those "all-in-one"
power units. I have a number of pedals with a variety of requirements.
7.5 volts, 9 volts, 12 volts, 18 volts and with different polarities (+/-).<= BR> Frankly I am a little reluctant to trust these things with anything
other than Boss pedals which are ALL 9 volt and the same polarity.

I have an SKB PS-100 pedalboard that's got an internal power supply
that works well with Boss stuff and a couple of other brands. But, I
am more than a little reluctant to plug it in to some of my weirder
"boutique" or "vintage" pedals for fear it might do damage to
something that's darn near irreplaceable these days.

Maybe I'm fearful for no reason. Some of this stuff is pretty rugged
and might survive a trial-and-error approach to seeing if a 3rd-
party power supply would work or not. Without having some original
manuals and stuff it's hard to tell.

I know it's probably not practical for a lot of reasons, but I sure wish more stuff came with internal power like my EDP does.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
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--part1_148.4106f1ea.2f734ae4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 18:04:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NN27t27802; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:59:43 -0800 Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111586772.424177d499d22@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Norman, >> You can check out this as well: > http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm > ~peace~ > Michael i love the 1spot-best purchase i have made latelee s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 18:21:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NNHd029881; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.23df53e7.2f7352af@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:15:59 EST Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/23/05 6:06:50 AM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: << You can check out this as well: http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm >> Looks similar to the PA-9 Powerall from Godlyke: http://www.godlyke.com It comes with several reverse polarity tips for Line 6, Dunlop & Fulltone and tips for older model DOD, Electro-Harmonix, Ibanez, MXR, Z-Vex. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 18:34:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2NNVeR32184; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:29:27 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) Message-ID: <20050323232927.GH4526@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <1111586772.424177d499d22@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:59:43PM -0800, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > Norman, > >> You can check out this as well: > > http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm > > ~peace~ > > Michael > > > > i love the 1spot-best purchase i have made latelee > s I have two 1spots I use. But been thinking of picking up a couple of these: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=132721 which seems to be the same idea. Theres versions available in various amp ratines. Haven't tried one myself yet though. Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 19:07:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O03cq08092; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:03:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:03:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4242036C.7010208@biink.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:01:48 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ":: ambient way" , ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , Ohmbient list , extremeNY@googlegroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com Subject: NYC: slow music with slow motion: April 2 & 3, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saturday, April 2, 2005 and Sunday, April 3, 2005 Cilla_Vee Movement Projects presents: Between MA and A Soft Space A Motion Sculpture movement Installation, directed by Claire Elizabeth Barratt with microtonal composer David Beardsley. Featuring live gesture drawings by Lara Hanson and movement artists Jill Frere, Kristin Narcowich, Mark Lamb and Pedro Jimenez. David will be performing sections of Infinity (2004), Around D (2002) and Clouds Veil the Future (2002) to accompany the movements. The Construction Company 10 East 18th Street, 3rd floor buzzer (between 5th Avenue and Broadway) Manhattan, New York City 7-10 p.m. $15 - general admission $10 - students & seniors $7 - Starving Artists discount - bring recent flyer or program with your name plus photo ID The reservation phone number is: 212 924-7882. pdf press release available on request. http://biink.com/db/ http://www.hhproduction.org/claire.cilla_vee%20m.project.html photos: http://biink.com/db/photos5.htm http://biink.com/db/photos6.htm -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 19:23:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O0LNo13457; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:21:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:21:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <6.4194eee4.2f7361cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:20:29 EST Subject: Re: Adrian Belew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6.4194eee4.2f7361cd_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6.4194eee4.2f7361cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit side 1 is definitely growing on me. wasn't crazy about it initially, but now am really starting to dig it. adrian is cool. =-) PJ --part1_6.4194eee4.2f7361cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable side 1 is=20= definitely growing on me. wasn't crazy about it initially, but now am really= starting to dig it. adrian is cool. =3D-) PJ --part1_6.4194eee4.2f7361cd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 21:12:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O296B32659; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:09:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:09:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=utVi0klOPUShHXZiWOXU+ujucktPlmDFhvGKwDZrihlhLjNgdXHrZlXRhWbolTHLrEusyWfgTljm7B2fLp5WuWiGd4D64ZpJXrP1OgWCMJVUzUuq3lL0jy8ByheYG92yQ5cajI0fVzYQ70Irb1JdQhc69RlfvTHHM2acw27JfzY= ; Message-ID: <20050324020739.73976.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re:AC adapters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8lE3S.A.c8H.1DiQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least TRY to design a: -one unit box (rack mount or table-top) -that would replace all my wall-warts -including: ---ac to dc (most common) ---ac to ac (some gear uses these) ---individual circuit protection ---rf / line filtering throughout ---sequential power-up ---individual on/off switches ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed) any thoughts? =RANDY= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 21:18:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O2FJj01314; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:15:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:15:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42422295.2040405@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:14:45 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AC adapters References: <20050324020739.73976.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050324020739.73976.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <716S8B.A.2S.WKiQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.voodoolab.com/pedpower.html This is pretty close. Or did you know about the PP2, and were just adding a few things? I like the "sag" feature on 2 of the 9V converters on the PP2. It can make fuzzes and overdrive pedals take on a new set of tones. Doug Randy Leifer wrote: >Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least >TRY to design a: > >-one unit box (rack mount or table-top) >-that would replace all my wall-warts >-including: >---ac to dc (most common) >---ac to ac (some gear uses these) >---individual circuit protection >---rf / line filtering throughout >---sequential power-up >---individual on/off switches >---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the >values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed) > >any thoughts? > >=RANDY= > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 21:37:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O2Xfc03707; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=D1L7lFlXNm9B7LlP9fmNfMPTlDWquzlHJIfnlRQK6HG7cxIoHDqD1qINwne8+5njluRvg5QA6vnNG63bQM3PtZFSKHxJVNuUqyXSadgaNeAU1DxWLYcsB8c6im9cXtI2r5HGof4PD94npL/bamID65enk+9aYXrlMui9bOj74mU= ; Message-ID: <20050324023258.95412.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:32:58 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Small digital recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have 2 rigs. My main system at my workplace. It's a DAW (desktop PC, some outboard gear, etc.) where I do my sequencing/recording. My second system is at home in my bedroom, and consists of a coupl'a synths, some effects, and a older midi hardware sequencer (Roland MC-50). I thought I'd just use the bedroom stuff to just fool around, and lately I'm achieving some interesting sounds........but I have no way to record them! I need a recorder. As high quality as I can afford. I figure, for me, it's worth it to spend around $300-$600. Whatever media it records on, I need to be able to transfer it to my main rig, the PC. I might spend a little more if it could also become a portable location recorder, and still maintain high quality.(In which case, I would bring "it" to my PC, for transfer.) What would you suggest? =RANDY= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 21:45:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O2e5F05011; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:40:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=Ggk6kbp+iJh+FRSm20Cr4IvOlY3Vqo5W5vtg2ZS1Vc8DUcotuuy/2yrxgtK4tlMl; Message-ID: <410-22005342424814180@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:AC adapters Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406b8f57d04bc7d122543e4c5efe99d462350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.249.117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What a great idea. Ideally it would also replace oddball "drama queen" wallwarts like the 14-volt Boss VF-1 power supply or the inexplicable AC wallwarts (Alesis ModFX, Digitech X series). Gawd, I hate the whole "hey you can only use our 6.743263-volt adapter" midset. What bollocks ;-) ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Randy Leifer > To: > Date: 3/23/2005 9:09:35 PM > Subject: Re:AC adapters > > Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least > TRY to design a: > > -one unit box (rack mount or table-top) > -that would replace all my wall-warts > -including: > ---ac to dc (most common) > ---ac to ac (some gear uses these) > ---individual circuit protection > ---rf / line filtering throughout > ---sequential power-up > ---individual on/off switches > ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the > values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed) > > any thoughts? > > =RANDY= > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 21:48:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O2kAt06152; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:46:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:46:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1Nxg1CYtlhJq3yq2YjrALb5qHmp3TI2xrDehEnGJVPOze6OTA1OSKD6mzqZacNDrFIQaGT3FoZ3USCmFnbLQZRNGr8493VlHZqBrE775MKGui6cU7IvY3BPGLYW07makLzssFdqA6tETPgU3LtM58p1tNM0cmV/nyaNmjm2Nm4g= ; Message-ID: <20050324024543.47450.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:45:43 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: AC adapters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug wrote: >"This is pretty close. Or did you know about the PP2, and were just adding a few things?" I am refering to my rack gear's adapters, or all wall warts. Will that box work with other stuff besides battery powered pedal boxes? I have some gear from MAM, that uses 120vAC to 9 or12vAC, as well as the more common 120vAC to DC warts. =RANDY= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 21:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O2oX807014; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <410-22005342424814180@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005342424814180@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:48:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re:AC adapters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least >> TRY to design a: >> >> -one unit box (rack mount or table-top) >> -that would replace all my wall-warts >> -including: >> ---ac to dc (most common) >> ---ac to ac (some gear uses these) >> ---individual circuit protection >> ---rf / line filtering throughout >> ---sequential power-up >> ---individual on/off switches >> ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the > > values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed) Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do most, if not all of the above? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 22:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O3IpR12202; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:18:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:18:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050324020739.73976.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050324020739.73976.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:17:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re:AC adapters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least >TRY to design a: > >-one unit box (rack mount or table-top) >-that would replace all my wall-warts >-including: >---ac to dc (most common) >---ac to ac (some gear uses these) >---individual circuit protection >---rf / line filtering throughout >---sequential power-up >---individual on/off switches >---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the >values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed) > >any thoughts? > >=RANDY= Juicegoose 12 Paq. Unfortunately, it's discontinued. 6 AC 120V outlets and 6 low voltage outlets at 6-15 volts AC or DC depending on what you need. No sequential power up or individual on/off, but it works great. I hate wall warts! Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 22:59:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O3ueN18787; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:56:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:55:59 EST Subject: Re: Small digital recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e8.fb33b83.2f73944f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e8.fb33b83.2f73944f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/23/05 9:33:27 PM, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com writes: > I need a recorder > Click Here: Check out "R-1 Portable 24-Bit WAVE Recorder & Player".....this was mentioned a bit ago, anyone have one?.....they look sweet.....mk --part1_e8.fb33b83.2f73944f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= /FONT> --part1_e8.fb33b83.2f73944f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 23:22:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O4InQ24239; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:18:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:18:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0yixFtOJJ1py96Y3wGFkdwN7G9OkzaU8Yyc/G5FNvPj17EyyWT8Iy5k8PDjDxfZLYyq0XpjRTgXebDTvIkpTvvDx2NIFd9FbUkFFxytaaQbnpzun9BfrEtkvsCVVuYMig7+C8VrM23glWfqKcr/hvLuXsC90yFng5YdpEgo5ps4= ; Message-ID: <20050324041812.86525.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: AC adaptors (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4qiKvD.A.g5F.J-jQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had mine for a couple of years and it hasn't failed me yet... which is not to say it never will, but I'm happy so far. Mike --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Beware of the PS-9; I have a couple of them, and a > month or two ago, playing out of town, three of the > six outlets on the one I'd brought with me suddenly > failed, forcing me to prioritize in real-time which > of > my pedals I was gonna do without for the rest of the > evening. (This was already my stripped-down rig, and > it didn't leave much...) It took my DD-3 out with > it, > too. > > -t- > > > --- mike feeney wrote: > > I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9. Black box > > with several leads coming out of it that plug into > > my > > various fx pedals and powers them all. I read a > > review just now that said this one is noisy, but > > I've > > never had any. There are other models out there > as > > well. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 23:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O4mGe29118; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:48:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:48:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503240447.j2O4ltx29034@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=SWFPCTVuys9ZKYuK5fZva8Ir1gjJegfZkneGnuMtId4tBMTDYw0c9O5G0XTI4QxV; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Norman Lamont'" , Subject: RE: AC adaptors (OT) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:47:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUwCtUD0j4Z5hmYQ0iptwXmxIKT2gAIWCzw In-Reply-To: <892545150.20050323083903@normanlamont.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc31f97129c5b8f7c9d1d375bca9032727350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.34.89.205 Resent-Message-ID: <2Ik5l.A.7FH.8ZkQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using a Dunlop DC Brick to power my pedals. There are (7) 9V and (3) 18V connections available. To invert the power for my DL-4 and Startouch A-B-Y Pedal, I am using a 1-SPOT DC Inverter...it costs about $2.99 or so. Oh, yeah...and the DC Brick is quiet, too! No annoying hum. Hope this helps! Happy looping... Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Norman Lamont [mailto:groups@normanlamont.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AC adaptors (OT) Hello Loopers-Delight, I have an effects board with several things including a guitar synth and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to step down the voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big power strip. I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have one power socket which seems to power a number of pedals. I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that you can run several pedals from? Does such a thing exist? -- Best regards, Norman mailto:groups@normanlamont.com www.normanlamont.com http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 23 23:54:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O4pW029953; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:51:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:51:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Hbsf8ZwbGbFsicMR6o1KqmIHVDVnMufEsH1+HKLqFQrs766xybj/luBV7C3+yb6krELXmi+rmCiYcWUhLaTOSdsFrym8wWs4vpXHUvJxklKjF/nAJsuLsilXhQUJUv5oidFWOguffKHD49ZLxCWRJkidk3RQVvWO2xflbRWenF8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:51:05 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AC adapters In-Reply-To: <20050324020739.73976.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050324020739.73976.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much would you be willing to pay for that box? I suspect it's overkill for most of the market and would come in around $300-400. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:07:39 -0800 (PST), Randy Leifer wrote: > Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least > TRY to design a: > > -one unit box (rack mount or table-top) > -that would replace all my wall-warts > -including: > ---ac to dc (most common) > ---ac to ac (some gear uses these) > ---individual circuit protection > ---rf / line filtering throughout > ---sequential power-up > ---individual on/off switches > ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the > values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed) > > any thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 00:29:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O5QGO06084; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:26:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:26:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:22:52 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: OT: roland sbx-10 schematics/service manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42424EAC.2050501@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FK8wwzcFoMtxoa8JR3aDUw)" X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <7nW4uD.A.XbB.z8kQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_FK8wwzcFoMtxoa8JR3aDUw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hooLcr6aDcZoVBFu0EYl2g)" --Boundary_(ID_hooLcr6aDcZoVBFu0EYl2g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Subject: > Re: OT: roland sbx-10 schematics/service manual > From: > Travis Hartnett > Date: > Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:43:49 -0800 > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >http://www.candisc.com/ranger/manuals1.htm > > >On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:16:23 -0600, Shayne Cafferata > wrote: > >>> i'm beginning to doubt the existence of said manual. so i'm asking >>> everywhere. does anyone know where i can find one? >>> thanks, >>> shayne >> thank you, travis! finally! shayne --Boundary_(ID_hooLcr6aDcZoVBFu0EYl2g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject:
Re: OT: roland sbx-10 schematics/service manual
From:
Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:43:49 -0800
To:
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

http://www.candisc.com/ranger/manuals1.htm


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:16:23 -0600, Shayne Cafferata
<scafferata@sasktel.net> wrote:
> i'm beginning to doubt the existence of said manual. so i'm asking
> everywhere. does anyone know where i can find one?
> thanks,
> shayne
thank you, travis!
finally!
shayne
--Boundary_(ID_hooLcr6aDcZoVBFu0EYl2g)-- --Boundary_(ID_FK8wwzcFoMtxoa8JR3aDUw) Content-type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Content-description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 --Boundary_(ID_FK8wwzcFoMtxoa8JR3aDUw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 02:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O77W127136; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:07:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=o07uxsapbuasnfKQ71XZBck2veva6sGwXVFjs5e6f6nMfPdTQEIqOLUUF85Oltl3mq1+1GuMeXYEjMcJalPZcrpCfMNmilBt470t9xXxyBh88Y+TQnA/xM6y8oflIS+tEw+I0qA6X7ANoT7SwCSJ/8OZwmBI8maluUdbN7LVztI= ; Message-ID: <20050324070530.33748.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: AC adapters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis wrote: "How much would you be willing to pay for that box? I suspect it's overkill for most of the market and would come in around $300-400." Yeh, well, I said I'd try.. :) I could build a plywood box with a power strip and all the wall warts Duck Taped firmly inside.....that wouldn't cost more than 20 bucks!! (ha ha) Looks like that's why the JuiceGoose is discontinued......it stopped laying golden eggs. =RANDY= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 02:43:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O7dsx31068; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:39:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:39:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr6 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:39:14 +0900 To: Loopers Delight From: Sunao Inami Subject: New CD release An Impulse of Acoustic / Sunao Inami Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD, sorry for OT.. This is my new CD release information. An Impulse of Acoustic Sunao Inami electr-ohm TCCD-20051 (CD only) 9 songs, Total Time 68:04. Sunao Inami Computer Generated Instrumentation All Songs Written by Sunao Inami Recorded and Mixed at CAVE Studio(Kobe) in Jan - Feb 2005 Additional Musicians Luca Formentini www.unguitar.com Processed Guitars Slacknote www.slacknote.com Bass & Buzz Ian Burgers Vocal Acrobatics Produced by Sunao Inami Sunao Inami uses Waldorf Synthesizers Some details,mp3 and mail order available: http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/ Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 04:03:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O8tB212598; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:55:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:55:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=olNBfAOISgiHUJvWX/uDeQGkBv9Kd6X8BDTUMZK1cHr25LosovetCs4WZQ31dFYIdI531E63LZa+48EM0tif8Xdi/JwDn6MpS2ljq6xdeWnsPIBfU3sgo282+cgDj4aC6UbyikRUR8WwhpyjSkTAeMVPtivwbtPf8ETKvf+ppQE= ; Message-ID: <20050324085337.51651.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:53:37 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: small digital recorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase SL)on there...but I don't have room for that equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature under my desk.) The Tascam ($499 fx version): PLUS: --40 gig hard disk --eight tracks (see minus) --looping/repeat feature(I believe one track at a time) --midi sync out --upload to PC via USB --two phantom powered mic inputs MINUS: --no battery operation (no field recording) --16/44.1 only --only two tracks can be recorded "live" at once --the "fx" version is 100 bucks more ($399 w/o)good for resale value?? The Edirol ($439) PLUS: --small size --uses two AA batteries or rechargables --24khz/44.1 or mp3 --small size MINUS: --uses CF card, 2 gig/some 4gig card$$ --comes w/64mb card, must spend more $$ on bigger card. --no mic phantom power --if using the mic jack, must be a stereo mic --from what I can tell it ONLY records 24 bit, no 16 bit (no manual on-line) that's what I came up with this evening. =RANDY= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 04:29:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O9Qgo19717; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:26:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:26:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:26:17 +0000 From: Norman Lamont X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal Reply-To: Norman Lamont X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1405716318.20050324092617@normanlamont.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AC Adaptors (OT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers-Delight, Thanks everyone for the replies - there seem to be quite a few links here to follow up. A further question: are any of you in the UK? We have a different plug size and as far as I know different voltage from the US and I wonder if any of you use these American adaptors discussed here. If so can you just use a standard transatlantic adaptor? If not are there any that work with UK plugs? -- Best regards, Norman mailto:groups@normanlamont.com www.normanlamont.com http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 04:29:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O9Qds19715; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c53053$82003e40$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20050323191739.49247.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:26:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy to read your comments, but let me add something. In the last ten years, the musical industry has required to the artists long audio CD. I remember in the '70 and early '80 an LP covered about 35-45 min. After that, came out the "track ghost"; the "bonus track", the "CDRom track"...in a few words: a 35-45 min. LP has evolved in a 60-70 min CD. Maybe, it's for justify the high prices for buying CD ....;-) Sometimes, even if I'm hearing my preferred artist or CD, I'm tired to hear the same "sound" for 70 minutes. For this reason, It's not a problem for me that Side One is a "short" CD (or EP, if you like). At the end, I taste the pleasure that I'll get next time I'll play that CD. In my opinion, make "unfinished songs" is tipical for Adrian Belew. But he's not Peter Gabriel ! Belew has his spontaneus way to make music. In his works, there are always mixed parts or sounds that feel "out of control", but I think he does it intentionally.....because of his "crazy" music approach ! My favourite album is Twang Bar King Fabio Just few songs, sounds like ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Adrian Belew > I'd totally agree with that review. Feels almost like > an EP to me. Also songs feel unfinished to some > degree. Great ideas that he didn't spend the time to > work to their conclusion. If you're a fan, get it. > There are some nice cuts and great performances. If > you're not and looking for a taste, skip it and go for > Desire of the Lone Rino King. > > Mark > > --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > Fabio, > > > > I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us > > aware of it. > > > > There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for > > streaming at: > > > > > http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3 > > > > Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly > > about it's being > > too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing > > but respect > > for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get > > around to buying > > this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out > > later this year. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tEd kiLLiAn > > > > "Different is not always better, but better is > > always different" > > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > > Apple iTunes, > > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > > Napster, > > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > > Etherstream, > > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > > Puretracks, > > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > > So??? > > > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > > you're an artist." > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 05:02:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2O9rg524555; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:53:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:53:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:52:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004f01c53053$82003e40$040a0a0a@fabio> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <53PmVD.A.X9F.q3oQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a very good point. I was compiling material for a CD and it added up to 38 minutes. Then I thought it was too short and started throwing in more and more stuff but probably I should have left it at those 38. Now the project is on hold again. There must have been a reason why I'd chosen those 38 minutes... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] > Sent: Donnerstag, 24. März 2005 10:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs > > > Happy to read your comments, but let me add something. > > In the last ten years, the musical industry has required to the > artists long > audio CD. > I remember in the '70 and early '80 an LP covered about 35-45 min. > After that, came out the "track ghost"; the "bonus track", the "CDRom > track"...in a few words: a 35-45 min. LP has evolved in a 60-70 min CD. > Maybe, it's for justify the high prices for buying CD ....;-) > > Sometimes, even if I'm hearing my preferred artist or CD, I'm > tired to hear > the same "sound" for 70 minutes. > For this reason, It's not a problem for me that Side One is a > "short" CD (or > EP, if you like). At the end, I taste the pleasure that I'll get next time > I'll play that CD. > > In my opinion, make "unfinished songs" is tipical for Adrian Belew. > But he's not Peter Gabriel ! > Belew has his spontaneus way to make music. > In his works, there are always mixed parts or sounds that feel "out of > control", but I think he does it intentionally.....because of his "crazy" > music approach ! > > My favourite album is Twang Bar King > > Fabio > > > Just few songs, sounds like > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: Adrian Belew > > > > I'd totally agree with that review. Feels almost like > > an EP to me. Also songs feel unfinished to some > > degree. Great ideas that he didn't spend the time to > > work to their conclusion. If you're a fan, get it. > > There are some nice cuts and great performances. If > > you're not and looking for a taste, skip it and go for > > Desire of the Lone Rino King. > > > > Mark > > > > --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > Fabio, > > > > > > I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us > > > aware of it. > > > > > > There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for > > > streaming at: > > > > > > > > http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3 > > > > > > Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly > > > about it's being > > > too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing > > > but respect > > > for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get > > > around to buying > > > this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out > > > later this year. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tEd kiLLiAn > > > > > > "Different is not always better, but better is > > > always different" > > > > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > > > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > > > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > > > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > > > > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > > > Apple iTunes, > > > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > > > Napster, > > > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > > > Etherstream, > > > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > > > Puretracks, > > > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > > > So??? > > > > > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > > > you're an artist." > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 05:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OAcSu32566; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:38:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:38:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c5305d$64a7fdb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: ac adaptors Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:36:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug wrote: "http://www.voodoolab.com/pedpower.html This is pretty close. Or did you know about the PP2, and were just adding a few things?" Really nice, but $165 list price? Ouch, that's out of my league. Doug also wrote: "I like the "sag" feature on 2 of the 9V converters on the PP2. It can make fuzzes and overdrive pedals take on a new set of tones." That is very cool. Ever since I discovered that my old SK-1 Casio sampler did bizarre, unpredictable and very, very cool things as it's batteries ran out I have saved all of my 9 volt batteries as they start to die. It's really great just switching out several almost deplete batteries into stomp box pedals just to hear how they freak out. You just have to sample the results immediately because they will do wonderful and strange things that will never repeat themselves. A cool, random feature of stomp box pedals, but then John Frusciante was just quoted in Electronic Music saying to the effect of "Human beings are the best random pattern generators" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 06:23:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OBL7t10341; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:20:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Movie recommendation...not looping, but musical From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <453377E6-98AC-11D9-A935-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3194479224_509636" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3194479224_509636 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Also strongly recommend =B3The Legend of 1900,=B2 with Tim Roth, if you can fin= d it. I think they=B9ve stopped distributing it in the US, but it shows up on cable TV every so often. A beautiful film about music. Dan on 3/19/05 11:22 AM, David Coffin at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote: > Just saw an amazing film: The Story of the Weeping Camel > It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in > simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in > rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the > desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and then > go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged > make-believe. >=20 > http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html >=20 > In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: yurts, > Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth to > a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come > and perform the reuniting ritual... >=20 > dc >=20 --B_3194479224_509636 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Movie recommendation...not looping, but musical Also strongly recommend “The Legend of 1900,R= 21; with Tim Roth, if you can find it. I think they’ve stopped distrib= uting it in the US, but it shows up on cable TV every so often. A beautiful = film about music.

Dan






on 3/19/05 11:22 AM, David Coffin at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote:

Just saw an amazing film: The Story= of the Weeping Camel
It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in
simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in
rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the
desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and then go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged
make-believe.

http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html

In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: yurts,
Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth to
a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come
and perform the reuniting ritual...

dc


--B_3194479224_509636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 08:20:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ODIE702490; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050324070459.11541960@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:15:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AC adapters In-Reply-To: <20050324024543.47450.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050324024543.47450.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:45 PM 3/23/2005, Randy Leifer wrote: >Doug wrote: > > >"This is pretty close. Or did you know about the >PP2, and were just >adding a few things?" > >I am refering to my rack gear's adapters, or all wall >warts. Will that box work with other stuff besides >battery powered pedal boxes? >I have some gear from MAM, that uses 120vAC to 9 >or12vAC, as well as the more common 120vAC to DC >warts. I'm in the exact same situation, and also was looking around for a solution lately. There's also a new(?) model of the PP, the Pedal Power AC. It's simple and features 120vAC to 9vAC (two dedicated plugs) or 12vAC (two plugs switchable between 9v & 12v). Nothing about it up on the Voodoo Lab website yet -- which is kind of weird, but it looks like they only update the thing about once a year. However, it's already in the catalogs for all the major online music retailers. Looks like release date is tomorrow, as a matter of fact. Here's one ad (courtesy of Froogle) that actually features an image, but you can find similar descriptions at AMS, Zzounds, etc. http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h28157.htm --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 09:35:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OEX5o18054; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4242CF2D.5080608@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:31:09 -0800 From: armatronix User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: small digital recorder References: <20050324085337.51651.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050324085337.51651.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This one looks pretty sweet: http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3629&CatID=19&SubCatID=180 -Hans Randy Leifer wrote: >I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. > >The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. > >There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo >desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase >SL)on there...but I don't have room for that >equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall >outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature >under my desk.) > >The Tascam ($499 fx version): > >PLUS: >--40 gig hard disk >--eight tracks (see minus) >--looping/repeat feature(I believe one track at a >time) >--midi sync out >--upload to PC via USB >--two phantom powered mic inputs >MINUS: >--no battery operation (no field recording) >--16/44.1 only >--only two tracks can be recorded "live" at once >--the "fx" version is 100 bucks more ($399 w/o)good >for resale value?? > >The Edirol ($439) > >PLUS: >--small size >--uses two AA batteries or rechargables >--24khz/44.1 or mp3 >--small size >MINUS: >--uses CF card, 2 gig/some 4gig card$$ >--comes w/64mb card, must spend more $$ on bigger >card. >--no mic phantom power >--if using the mic jack, must be a stereo mic >--from what I can tell it ONLY records 24 bit, no 16 >bit (no manual on-line) > > >that's what I came up with this evening. > >=RANDY= > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 10:08:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OF4pL24407; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:04:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:04:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-225596033 Message-Id: <5f95bb472977d51406df9644567245fb@mindspring.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Movie recommendation...not looping, but musical Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:06:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e265483201c8f7db8cce3cc154caefd46d80b85e0aeacdf564a64350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 141.150.248.177 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-225596033 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Another: "Brother to Sleep" -paul On Mar 24, 2005, at 6:20 AM, Dan Soltzberg wrote: > Also strongly recommend =93The Legend of 1900,=94 with Tim Roth, if = you=20 > can find it. I think they=92ve stopped distributing it in the US, but = it=20 > shows up on cable TV every so often. A beautiful film about music. > > Dan > > > > > > > on 3/19/05 11:22 AM, David Coffin at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Just saw an amazing film: The Story of the Weeping Camel > It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in > simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in > rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the > desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and=20 > then > go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged > make-believe. > > http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html > > In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: = yurts, > Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth = to > a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come > and perform the reuniting ritual... > > dc > > > > =20 > =20= --Apple-Mail-1-225596033 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Another: "Brother to Sleep" -paul On Mar 24, 2005, at 6:20 AM, Dan Soltzberg wrote: VerdanaAlso strongly recommend =93The Legend of 1900,=94 with Tim Roth, if you can find it. I think they=92ve stopped distributing it in the US, but it shows up on cable TV every so often. A beautiful film about music. Verdana Dan Verdana on 3/19/05 11:22 AM, David Coffin at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote: VerdanaJust saw an amazing film: The Story of the Weeping Camel Verdana It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in Verdana simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in Verdana rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the Verdana desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and then Verdana go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged Verdana make-believe. Verdana http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html Verdana In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: yurts, Verdana Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth to Verdana a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come Verdana and perform the reuniting = ritual... Verdana dc = --Apple-Mail-1-225596033-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 10:31:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OFRlo29088; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:27:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4242CF2D.5080608@sbcglobal.net> References: <20050324085337.51651.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> <4242CF2D.5080608@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8a729838417071ea1c360706bf5c3a5e@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: small digital recorder Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:29:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got the Marantz PMD670 (which is the bigger brother of the one for which Hans provided the URL). It's very nice (as I suspect the PMD660 is - and the 660 is much smaller if that's an issue). It is wonderful that there are no moving parts (no heads to clean or wear down, no tapes, no capstands, no wheels, no spinning disks, no transports, etc. etc.). With a couple of 2GB compact flash cards I have over 6 (over 3 per card) hours of recording time at 44.1MHz sampling rate (straight to .wav file). Last weekend I recorded a whole wedding ceremony on battery (there wasn't a handy outlet nearby) using an Audio Technica stereo mic (AT822). The results were very good. When I got home I just popped out the card, popped it into my card reader on the computer (I could have plugged the recorder into the computer but using the card reader is easier) and off I went (copying to the hard drive and editing with Peak). On Mar 24, 2005, at 8:31 AM, armatronix wrote: > This one looks pretty sweet: > http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp? > FolderID=3629&CatID=19&SubCatID=180 > -Hans > > > Randy Leifer wrote: > >> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. >> >> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. >> >> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo >> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase >> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that >> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall >> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature >> under my desk.) >> >> The Tascam ($499 fx version): >> PLUS: >> --40 gig hard disk >> --eight tracks (see minus) >> --looping/repeat feature(I believe one track at a >> time) --midi sync out >> --upload to PC via USB >> --two phantom powered mic inputs >> MINUS: >> --no battery operation (no field recording) >> --16/44.1 only >> --only two tracks can be recorded "live" at once >> --the "fx" version is 100 bucks more ($399 w/o)good >> for resale value?? >> >> The Edirol ($439) >> >> PLUS: --small size >> --uses two AA batteries or rechargables >> --24khz/44.1 or mp3 >> --small size >> MINUS: >> --uses CF card, 2 gig/some 4gig card$$ >> --comes w/64mb card, must spend more $$ on bigger >> card. >> --no mic phantom power >> --if using the mic jack, must be a stereo mic >> --from what I can tell it ONLY records 24 bit, no 16 >> bit (no manual on-line) >> >> >> that's what I came up with this evening. >> >> =RANDY= >> > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 11:02:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OFwl102174; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:58:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:58:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <17066355.1111679787242.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:56:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:AC adapters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do most, if not all of the above?" I have one, and no, it doesn't. It does do 18v, but that's its only special trick. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey Sent: Mar 23, 2005 9:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:AC adapters > > > Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least >> TRY to design a: >> >> -one unit box (rack mount or table-top) >> -that would replace all my wall-warts >> -including: >> ---ac to dc (most common) >> ---ac to ac (some gear uses these) >> ---individual circuit protection >> ---rf / line filtering throughout >> ---sequential power-up >> ---individual on/off switches >> ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the > > values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed) Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do most, if not all of the above? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 11:44:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OGfhU11816; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:41:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:41:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050324085337.51651.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050324085337.51651.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:39:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: small digital recorder Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote: >I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. > >The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. > >There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo >desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase >SL)on there...but I don't have room for that >equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall >outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature >under my desk.) Or you could try the PDAudio from http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's has been great. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 14:07:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OJ38U11353; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:03:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:03:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <42430EA8.6080201@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:02:00 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs References: <20050323191739.49247.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <004f01c53053$82003e40$040a0a0a@fabio> In-Reply-To: <004f01c53053$82003e40$040a0a0a@fabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ZE4sD.A.WmC.E5wQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fabio Anile wrote: >My favourite album is Twang Bar King > > agree ! luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 14:19:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OJGTc13983; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:16:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:16:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <424311BE.2060403@biink.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:15:10 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs References: <20050323191739.49247.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <004f01c53053$82003e40$040a0a0a@fabio> <42430EA8.6080201@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <42430EA8.6080201@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7ZIBvD.A.BWD.-GxQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca Formentini wrote: > Fabio Anile wrote: > >> My favourite album is Twang Bar King >> >> > agree ! > luca > > Those first two albums, Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King were amazing. I heard the TBK tour twice in one night at Rutgers. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 14:21:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OJILv14361; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:18:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:18:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503241915.j2OJFox13849@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:15:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <42430EA8.6080201@unguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUwpFIXnSX3F33RQbizmU//AbxXlwAATLcQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed I too love that album I guess with the most recent CD copy I am onto my third copy LP (where that went I know not) Cassette (to replace the missing LP) and CD to replace the worn out cassette. Whats will be the next media I already exported it to mp3 so, I can't include that? ;D -----Original Message----- From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs Fabio Anile wrote: >My favourite album is Twang Bar King > > agree ! luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 14:27:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OJOYA15706; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:24:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:24:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <424312F8.5010401@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:20:24 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs References: <200503241915.j2OJFox13849@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200503241915.j2OJFox13849@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I still like Lone Rhino best...'The Momur' is one of my all time fave songs... Dennis Alan Kroeger wrote: >Indeed I too love that album I guess with the most recent CD copy I am onto >my third copy LP (where that went I know not) Cassette (to replace the >missing LP) and CD to replace the worn out cassette. Whats will be the next >media I already exported it to mp3 so, I can't include that? >;D > >-----Original Message----- >From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:02 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs > >Fabio Anile wrote: > > > >>My favourite album is Twang Bar King >> >> >> >> >agree ! >luca > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 14:49:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OJkrt19503; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:46:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:46:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:42:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42430EA8.6080201@unguitar.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7vwLY.A.vpE.9hxQCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fabio Anile wrote: > >> My favourite album is Twang Bar King >> >> > agree ! > luca > gotta pipe in-ADRIANBELEW will always be in a special place for me-guitarrilee/loopinglee speakin... i would have a very hard time calling one album a favorite-i still feel his best work is as a hired gun-the things he brings to other peoples songs/albums is so unique and musickee-the list is long-'REMAIN IN LIGHT' by talking heads is a highlight-the stuff he did on david byrne/twyla tharp 'the catherine wheel'- 'left handed dream' by ryuichi sakmoto-to name a few o' my favs... my whole guitar rig in the 80s was totally based on his setup:beat up strat into numerous Electro-Harmonix(including 16secDDL) into a Roland JC120-you can get waaaay outt w/ that stuff and i did thanx to AB... last time i talked to him i blamed him for my obsession-he said he was "sorry" and i believed him. s (got "the bears club cafe" dvd-adrian's club band live-and it just lies there for me-playin way too safe) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 15:17:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OKEYq25531; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:14:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:14:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:11:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll never forget seeing King Crimson in the spring of 1982 at UMASS Amherst. Adrian was like a little boy in a candy store, all over the stage. I was high up enough that I could see the tape marks on the stage where he had laid out all the various feedback positions. Even Mr Fripp got into the spirit of things by the end of the night, kicking over his stool and rocking out like he was in Steel Dragon! If I only had a tape of that one........ Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 15:25:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OKMSM27218; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:22:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:22:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <70b3ca361459ebeb0d3f83c7ded4646e@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Repeater for sale Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:20:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, A friend here is selling his Repeater for USD 852. It's rarely used. Has stayed in his home while he has been working in studios and rehearsing with bands. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 15:35:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OKXLW29030; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:33:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:31:06 EST Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b8.6efe5a6e.2f747d8a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b8.6efe5a6e.2f747d8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stan-o-saur, In a message dated 03/24/05 11:44:12, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > gotta pipe in-ADRIAN BELEW will always be in a special place for me >=20 I agree with you there. He is a one-of-a-kind great musician and a great=20 guy. I met him twice -- both times because of my employment with Seymour=20 Duncan. Seymour used to be something like Belew's "manager" at one point (they're old chums anyway). Knowing I was a big Belew fan, Seymour took=20 me along and introduced me to Adrian once at a Nashville NAMM show=20 and again after a SoCal King Crimson show during the "Thrak" tour. Both=20 times Belew was friendly, enthusiastic and even chatty -- the precise=20 opposite=20 reputation of Mr. Fripp (whom I also admire but, just the same, feel that I=20 would=20 not get on very well with if I ever met him). Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn --part1_b8.6efe5a6e.2f747d8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stan-o-saur,

In a message dated 03/24/05 11:44:12, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:

gotta pipe in-ADRIAN B= ELEW will always be in a special place for me

I agree with you there. He is a one-of-a-kind great musician and a great guy. I met him twice -- both times because of my employment with Seymour Duncan. Seymour used to be something like Belew's "manager" at one point
(they're old chums anyway). Knowing I was a big Belew fan, Seymour took
me along and introduced me to Adrian once at a Nashville NAMM show
and again after a SoCal King Crimson show during the "Thrak" tour. Both
times Belew was friendly, enthusiastic and even chatty -- the precise opposi= te
reputation of Mr. Fripp (whom I also admire but, just the same, feel that I=20= would
not get on very well with if I ever met him).

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn
--part1_b8.6efe5a6e.2f747d8a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 16:00:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OKuFf01808; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:56:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c530b3$afcdda70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: looper Jon Brion's Sony censored Fiona Apple cd Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:54:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sony Records refused to release the quirky Jon Brion produced Fiona Apple CD. Here are the mp3s to download for free. http://www.geekdreams.com/mp3/fiona_apple/ Jon is reputed to do a very hip once a week live looping gig in Los Angeles but I haven't been to it yet. Reviews? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 17:02:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OLxVt16821; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:56:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3194517402_74409_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3194517402_74409_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to all accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was on tour w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop show(which i have = a video of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ soundcheck and he stopped playing, went over to the guy producing and screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for awhile-so i guess we all have our limits :-) s Stan-o-saur, In a message dated 03/24/05 11:44:12, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: gotta pipe in-ADRIAN BELEW will always be in a special place for me I agree with you there. He is a one-of-a-kind great musician and a great guy. I met him twice -- both times because of my employment with Seymour Duncan. Seymour used to be something like Belew's "manager" at one point (they're old chums anyway). Knowing I was a big Belew fan, Seymour took me along and introduced me to Adrian once at a Nashville NAMM show and again after a SoCal King Crimson show during the "Thrak" tour. Both times Belew was friendly, enthusiastic and even chatty -- the precise opposite=20 reputation of Mr. Fripp (whom I also admire but, just the same, feel that I would=20 not get on very well with if I ever met him). Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 --MS_Mac_OE_3194517402_74409_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to all acc= ounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was on tour w/ M= ERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop show(which i have a vid= eo of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ soundcheck and he stopped pla= ying, went over to the guy producing and screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY= BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for awhile-so i guess we all have = our limits :-)
s

Stan-o-saur,

In a message dated 03/24/05 11:44:12, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:

gotta pipe in-ADRIAN BELEW will always be in a specia= l place for me

I agree with you there. He is a one-of-a-kind great musician and a great guy. I met him twice -- both times because of my employment with Seymour Duncan. Seymour used to be something like Belew's "manager" at on= e point
(they're old chums anyway). Knowing I was a big Belew fan, Seymour took me along and introduced me to Adrian once at a Nashville NAMM show
and again after a SoCal King Crimson show during the "Thrak" tour= . Both
times Belew was friendly, enthusiastic and even chatty -- the precise oppos= ite
reputation of Mr. Fripp (whom I also admire but, just the same, feel that I= would
not get on very well with if I ever met him).

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn


--MS_Mac_OE_3194517402_74409_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 17:17:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OMEuD19825; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:14:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:14:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tEnlTvqOuR/qmFt+aWkNhptIezw62hEl0Yk2v3HP5PSsn2kFTPNCwhFFuFL4aYhGTbyxess3rYaXuGa3E7/4kRkfzUu5AVkEDEUzSf4gZj0dfv8L03nQ2+Fvx51/7EFdsoK1c5OcpljThE6kRbV2M+w7frSmJtVtwwdWbfdoRIE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:12:17 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow--Belew has a bald spot? Who'd have guessed. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:56:42 -0800, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to all > accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was on tour > w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop show(which i have a > video of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ soundcheck and he stopped > playing, went over to the guy producing and screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY > BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for awhile-so i guess we all have our > limits :-) > s > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 17:32:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2OMTp922382; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-252105610 Message-Id: <017E4778-9CB4-11D9-B659-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:28:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-27-252105610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:56 PM, wrote: > about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to > all accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was > on tour w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop > show(which i have a video of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ > soundcheck and he stopped playing, went over to the guy producing and > screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for > awhile-so i guess we all have our limits :-) That's a pretty funny story (the subtle onset of my bald spot wigs me out a little), but having spent a lot of time with adrian, on the road and in the studio, I have actually never seen him be nasty to any one. Another funny thing about Belew is that as far as I have witnessed he treats every one the same: from a celebrity to some unknown kid that is a fan. He is just cool to everyone and always happy to share stories with fans and such. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-27-252105610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:56 PM, < wrote: about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to all accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was on tour w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop show(which i have a video of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ soundcheck and he stopped playing, went over to the guy producing and screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for awhile-so i guess we all have our limits :-) That's a pretty funny story (the subtle onset of my bald spot wigs me out a little), but having spent a lot of time with adrian, on the road and in the studio, I have actually never seen him be nasty to any one. Another funny thing about Belew is that as far as I have witnessed he treats every one the same: from a celebrity to some unknown kid that is a fan. He is just cool to everyone and always happy to share stories with fans and such. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-27-252105610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 18:54:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2ONotZ04380; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:50:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:50:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <424350FD.4020208@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:45:01 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs References: <017E4778-9CB4-11D9-B659-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> In-Reply-To: <017E4778-9CB4-11D9-B659-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King Crimson mailing list a few years ago. In the late 90's, there were a few posters who began a heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion. After awhile, Adrian replied with the following "diatribe": http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of Light' and of course 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading too much elephant talk, chit-chat. Art imitates life again :-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 19:04:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P00mw07308; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:00:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:00:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503242359.j2ONx9x07087@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:58:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <424350FD.4020208@speakeasy.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcUwzHaH8P1rX9L5TgGjvjLnEMvMpwAAEhcg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Is there a way to read the messages on the internet without receiving the emails from the list, and be able to reply to messages at the same time? If so, that would be great as there are quite a lot of messages to come in daily and it slows down my email server. If this is possible, how can I desactivate the receipt from emails? If this is not possible, can you please unsuscribe me from the list then (and I'll browse through the monthly digests on the net) Loop on Mr Weasel -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Montgomery [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net] Sent: jeudi 24 mars 2005 23:45 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King Crimson mailing list a few years ago. In the late 90's, there were a few posters who began a heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion. After awhile, Adrian replied with the following "diatribe": http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of Light' and of course 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading too much elephant talk, chit-chat. Art imitates life again :-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 19:05:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P02QD07811; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:02:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:02:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503250001.j2P01fx07547@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: Email / Digest / (Un)Subscribing Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:01:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <424350FD.4020208@speakeasy.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcUwzHaH8P1rX9L5TgGjvjLnEMvMpwAAQp3Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (I forgot to change the subject in my other mail, sorry) Hi Is there a way to read the messages on the internet without receiving the emails from the list, and be able to reply to messages at the same time? If so, that would be great as there are quite a lot of messages to come in daily and it slows down my email server. If this is possible, how can I desactivate the receipt from emails? If this is not possible, can you please unsuscribe me from the list then (and I'll browse through the monthly digests on the net) Loop on Mr Weasel -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Montgomery [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net] Sent: jeudi 24 mars 2005 23:45 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King Crimson mailing list a few years ago. In the late 90's, there were a few posters who began a heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion. After awhile, Adrian replied with the following "diatribe": http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of Light' and of course 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading too much elephant talk, chit-chat. Art imitates life again :-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 19:12:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P09Ag09199; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42435644.8030909@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:07:32 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper Jon Brion's Sony censored Fiona Apple cd References: <006401c530b3$afcdda70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <006401c530b3$afcdda70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen him 10 or 12 times, I go every time I'm in town. He plays every Friday at Largo. I've seen Fiona sit in with him a couple times, too. He is a great looper. Henry loop.pool wrote: > Sony Records refused to release the quirky Jon Brion produced > Fiona Apple CD. > > Here are the mp3s to download for free. > > http://www.geekdreams.com/mp3/fiona_apple/ > > Jon is reputed to do a very hip once a week live looping gig in Los Angeles > but I haven't been to it yet. > > Reviews? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 19:55:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P0q7r16267; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:52:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:52:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FvME7oeY4sLPyNClggGL/1u4OiFM2VhTlxS7DCnJ5FEiQLCrfwU34gMUNo3UU81FM5nUZeZh0Z590wkVXZb6TyYrsgWPKj8PSA3tLA9nCwbdWResAaXRT2xXrHROBat5GguZ/hFIuUU4p7PeO7BJFEbbAi9m3Bmy8GfD+gxqdEU= ; Message-ID: <20050325005017.78478.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: 2 questions: 1.)gfx707 II sampler function? 2.) gemini sampler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1362534948-1111711816=:76408" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1362534948-1111711816=:76408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1. does anyone have/use one of the zoom gfx707 II multi-effects boxes (one w/ foot pedal), don't they have a smart media card thingy to use w/ a sampler? does it work? good? bad? reasons why it isn't the uber-looper, etc? just curious if anyone had any experience with them? 2. also, i bought a gemini sampler a long while ago and had trouble setting it up w/ my guitar-based system (i'm old school inline from one box to next into my digital recorder w/ 1/4" cords), is this something i need to get a mixer to use w/ the rca ins & outs ? just curious.... thanks, s---- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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1. does anyone have/use one of the zoom gfx707 II multi-effects boxes (one w/ foot pedal),
don't they have a smart media card thingy to use w/ a sampler? does it work? good? bad? reasons why it isn't the uber-looper, etc?
just curious if anyone had any experience with them?
 
2. also, i bought a gemini sampler a long while ago and had trouble setting it up w/ my guitar-based system (i'm old school inline from one box to next into my digital recorder w/ 1/4" cords), is this something i need to get a mixer to use w/ the rca ins & outs ?
just curious....
thanks,
s----


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Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-1362534948-1111711816=:76408-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 20:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P1oL426784; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:50:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:50:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <75.41c758b8.2f74c80c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:49:00 EST Subject: Re: looper Jon Brion's Sony censored Fiona Apple cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.41c758b8.2f74c80c_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <_laBPD.A.7eG.W42QCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_75.41c758b8.2f74c80c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what does he use for loopage? inquiring loopy minds want to know! =-) PJ --part1_75.41c758b8.2f74c80c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what does=20= he use for loopage? inquiring loopy minds want to know! =3D-) PJ --part1_75.41c758b8.2f74c80c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 21:45:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P2fVI03756; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:41:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:41:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=RvOr7QCugq1mdKLGRt7fzda8RW/v7WrX6h3Kpth6SaFSj/J+6hWSEcXPfyQm69S1; Message-ID: <410-22005352525012490@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:50:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406c1513ca3ee315b7d6edb580722894d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.249.128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aha! Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it from Dunlop. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Jim Palmer > To: > Date: 3/24/2005 11:46:06 AM > Subject: Re: Re:AC adapters > > er, well i have one and it does have several of these features.. > ex 9vac out the back, 4 isolated outputs, mode switches on the bottom > allow several dc voltages, etc... > > is there more than one juicebox? > here is an old ref for the one i have: http://www.aspectdesignlabs.com/faq.htm > > > > "Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do > > most, if not all of the above?" > > > > I have one, and no, it doesn't. It does do 18v, but that's its only special trick. > > ~Tim > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 22:51:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P3mqs16366; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:48:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:48:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <410-22005352525012490@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005352525012490@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:46:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Aha! >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it >from Dunlop. Right...here's the product I was referring to: http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164 I think it's probably the best product on the market currently. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 23:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P4Mj222072; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:22:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c530f2$14db1c50$0a01a8c0@remwavesnet> From: "Torstein H. Rem" To: References: <410-22005352525012490@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:21:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued for quite some time. A new production run with several updates are ready to start. Check this thead for some more info at the Gearpage forum. "5 Isolated outputs (4 DC and 1 AC): 2 x 9vdc @ 500ma each with 4 standard tip neg jacks (the first jack on each of the 9vdc ISO's have a VBat circuit) 1 x adjustable from 4.5 - 21vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks 1 x adjustable from 7.5 - 24vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks 1 x 12VAC @ 1.5A (Line 6 POD XT, H&K, Digitech, etc.....) We retained the 120vac / 3 prong aux jack on the back as well The two built in VBat circuits and all DIP switches for setting voltages are on the front panel! The enclosure is all sheet metal (designed by me) and is rugged as heck....much sturdier than our old enclosure. OK - Pricing will be between $239 - $249 with your choice of 10 molded power cables (one right angle to one straight.)" http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=21e069a8dec377851d2d186d875230d5&threadid=72257&highlight=juicebox ------------------------------------------------------- A couple of other power supplies; Italien Masotti PW-4 PS! Will custom make according to spesific needs. "PW4 is the solution to ground loops problems in complex pedalboards and it is developed in cooperation with professional guitar players. Each channel is filtered and stabilized separately and there is a total isolation between the outputs. Since current capability of the channel is redundant (consumption of an analog effect like TS9 is a few mA, while a digital pedal is about 50-60mA), PW4 is useful also for more than four effects. Of course you loose total absence of loops but, in most cases the four isolated outputs allow to avoid hum and noise presence in the signal. Due to large current room, each channel has two connectors to power directly eight effects with standard cables. Isolation between channels allows to have a 18V out with a special cable delivered upo request. Furthermore, we can ship PW4 with any standard voltage (5,9,12,15 or 18V) in one channel free of charge. For special needs we can modify a channel with a continuous voltage regulation." http://www.masottiamp.it/std-pw4.html Cioks Cioks Double Jack Power adapter for pedals 5x9V and 2x12V outputs (230V only) more ğ Price: 99.41 EUR Cioks Big John Power adapter for pedals 7x9V outputs (230V only) more ğ Price: 89.00 EUR Cioks Booster Flex 9-18V Flex cable with built-in 9 to 18V step-up voltage converter. A simple way of using a 9V output for powering an 18V pedal. Price: 40.00 EUR . Plus cusatom poer cables, split cables etc. http://www.custom-sounds.com/epages/customsounds.storefront/42438ee902890d8a2741d94dcd01067c/Catalog/1022 http://www.cioks.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters > >Aha! > >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange > >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it > >from Dunlop. > > Right...here's the product I was referring to: > > http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164 > > I think it's probably the best product on the market currently. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 24 23:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P4nAb25643; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050325044742.23508.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in 83 I worked for Laurie Anderson during the audio preproduction of Home of The Brave and I was one of the recipients of that treatment. I think I was wearing a "Hard Day's Night" tee shirt and he came right up to me (he was the guitarist on the project) and started chatting about The Beatles. Great man. Mark --- Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:56 PM, > wrote: > > about Belew's disposition: he is usually very > pleasant according to > > all accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story > told to me while i was > > on tour w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live > Belew solo/loop > > show(which i have a video of!) and the camera guy > got behind Adrian @ > > soundcheck and he stopped playing, went over to > the guy producing and > > screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY BALD SPOT"!! and i > guess it went on for > > awhile-so i guess we all have our limits :-) > > > That's a pretty funny story (the subtle onset of my > bald spot wigs me > out a little), but having spent a lot of time with > adrian, on the road > and in the studio, I have actually never seen him be > nasty to any one. > Another funny thing about Belew is that as far as I > have witnessed he > treats every one the same: from a celebrity to some > unknown kid that is > a fan. He is just cool to everyone and always happy > to share stories > with fans and such. > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King > Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the > world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise > duo since Sonny & > Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 00:52:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P5nKG02526; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:49:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:49:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050324213524.04edc9b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:49:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looper Jon Brion's Sony censored Fiona Apple cd In-Reply-To: <75.41c758b8.2f74c80c@aol.com> References: <75.41c758b8.2f74c80c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:49 PM 3/24/2005, PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: >what does he use for loopage? inquiring loopy minds want to know! =-) PJ Jon Brion uses EDP's. In fact, I think he is the record holder for most EDP's owned by one person. I'd love to see him play live also, hopefully I can make it to LA for that some day. But short of that, you can hear his work in a number of really great movie soundtracks he composed. For example, I Heart Huckabees, Magnolia (with Aimee Mann), Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Punch Drunk Love. http://idiot-dog.com/music/brion.jon/indexi.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 01:20:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P6IPD07899; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:18:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:18:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050325061542.26229.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT, what speakers to listen to your favorite loopers on? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I put looper in there, but it's pretty ot. You guys are always a great resource and I'm curious to hear your opinion on what a good floor standing (I wouldn't be opposed to a sub/sat system I've just always felt they were lacking somewhere near the crossover) speakers that are around $1K a pair. Lay it on me. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 02:09:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P76jB16072; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:06:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:06:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050325061542.26229.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050325061542.26229.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26-283142754 Message-Id: <4512ADDC-9CFC-11D9-ABEF-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: OT, what speakers to listen to your favorite loopers on? Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:05:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-26-283142754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Event 20/20bas Event Precision 8s Genelec 1031 (but that's out of the 1k range) Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Mar 24, 2005, at 10:15 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > OK, I put looper in there, but it's pretty ot. You > guys are always a great resource and I'm curious to > hear your opinion on what a good floor standing (I > wouldn't be opposed to a sub/sat system I've just > always felt they were lacking somewhere near the > crossover) speakers that are around $1K a pair. --Apple-Mail-26-283142754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Event 20/20bas Event Precision 8s Genelec 1031 (but that's out of the 1k range) Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Mar 24, 2005, at 10:15 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: OK, I put looper in there, but it's pretty ot. You guys are always a great resource and I'm curious to hear your opinion on what a good floor standing (I wouldn't be opposed to a sub/sat system I've just always felt they were lacking somewhere near the crossover) speakers that are around $1K a pair. --Apple-Mail-26-283142754-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 02:30:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P7Rk518899; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:27:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4512ADDC-9CFC-11D9-ABEF-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> References: <20050325061542.26229.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <4512ADDC-9CFC-11D9-ABEF-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:24:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: OT, what speakers to listen to your favorite loopers on? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use JBL LSR25ps with a Tannoy TS10 subwoofer in my home studio room. In my living room I have a pair of B&W DM330s in the front of a surround setup with Paradigm Mini Mk IIIs in the rear. One of the reason I have both sets of speakers is that they were both very reasonable. I got the JBLs for $200 for the pair on ebay as the seller thought one was broken (10 minute fix). I used a pair of Tannoy Reveal passives (powered with a McIntosh 2105) prior to these, but found them a little weird in the mids. I find that mixes translate a lot better with the JBLs and they are also easy to bring to location recording gigs. They also take a severe beating without a complaint. I am sure that there are better speakers out there, but I like these pretty well and I couldn't beat the price. The B&Ws were $30 at the local electronics surplus store and only needed a replacement tweeter diaphragm. They aren't bad and being a sealed box, don't have a really hyped boomy low end, but do go there if they need to. On another note, I am trying to get a Behringer FCB1010 to play nice with my Jamman with Sellon update. Does anyone have any tips on navigating the FCB to program the unit? I think I get it, but I am not sure and the Jamman doesn't seem to completely operate the way I would expect. I have RTFM, but it doesn't seem completely clear. Maybe I'm just getting old. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 02:53:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P7oRm21907; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:50:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6dLbzhLwyii8+v0tbjS5kDpl/CF2VaXI2WvGBiFdfW2bqPnxPHc9bQm0jEq+rbqsJeqdk2IMGBCKZEt6PygIjd1JzGW6baibGxiH38UJwrrkj3FDuo0qRtJVP63QU63lZp0+wgAu3M93piC4KwI1K8WZx7ekVi8xc9UEo2wVuS0= ; Message-ID: <20050325074835.55254.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:48:35 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: OT, what speakers to listen to your favorite loopers on? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I listen to music that has no loops, I go into my mirrored listening room........(and reflect on what to do if there is an earthquake.) No, really, if I'm doing casual listening, I'll do it on home hi-fi speakers. Forget all those flat analytical studio monitors....I don't care if hi-fi speakers are "rolled off" dammit, they just sound better. For recording/mixing, studio's are great, but to relax to? NO. I use Vandersteen 2ce, or Mission 782 (1989), or System Audio 1270. =Randy= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 03:42:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P8dd428892; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:39:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:39:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c53115$eef70ed0$0a01a8c0@remwavesnet> From: "Torstein H. Rem" To: References: <410-22005352525012490@earthlink.net> <000501c530f2$14db1c50$0a01a8c0@remwavesnet> Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:37:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Found another Power Supply maker today ; Lee Jackson. Also makes amps and a new line of pedals. POWER II Custom Regulated Supplies: This Power supply can be set up with multiple dc voltages (Like 9vdc and 12vdc) at 500 ma each. POWER I Custom Regulated Power Supplies: This supply is (9.3vdc 1.2 amps), (8) isolated dc outputs for your favorite effects, Plus (1) A.C. connector for that A.C.hungry effect. POWER II Let us Custom Modify your favorite amp. (Call for options) http://www.leejackson.com/Power.htm From: "Torstein H. Rem" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:21 AM Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters > The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued for > quite some time. > A new production run with several updates are ready to start. Check this > thead for some > more info at the Gearpage forum. > > "5 Isolated outputs (4 DC and 1 AC): > 2 x 9vdc @ 500ma each with 4 standard tip neg jacks > (the first jack on each of the 9vdc ISO's have a VBat circuit) > 1 x adjustable from 4.5 - 21vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks > 1 x adjustable from 7.5 - 24vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks > 1 x 12VAC @ 1.5A (Line 6 POD XT, H&K, Digitech, etc.....) > We retained the 120vac / 3 prong aux jack on the back as well > The two built in VBat circuits and all DIP switches for setting voltages are > on the front panel! > > The enclosure is all sheet metal (designed by me) and is rugged as > heck....much sturdier than our old enclosure. > > OK - Pricing will be between $239 - $249 with your choice of 10 molded power > cables (one right angle to one straight.)" > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=21e069a8dec377851d2d186d875230d5&threadid=72257&highlight=juicebox > ------------------------------------------------------- > A couple of other power supplies; > > Italien Masotti PW-4 > PS! Will custom make according to spesific needs. > > "PW4 is the solution to ground loops problems in complex pedalboards and it > is developed in cooperation with professional guitar players. Each channel > is filtered and stabilized separately and there is a total isolation between > the outputs. > Since current capability of the channel is redundant (consumption of an > analog effect like TS9 is a few mA, while a digital pedal is about 50-60mA), > PW4 is useful also for more than four effects. Of course you loose total > absence of loops but, in most cases the four isolated outputs allow to avoid > hum and noise presence in the signal. Due to large current room, each > channel has two connectors to power directly eight effects with standard > cables. Isolation between channels allows to have a 18V out with a special > cable delivered upo request. Furthermore, we can ship PW4 with any standard > voltage (5,9,12,15 or 18V) in one channel free of charge. For special needs > we can modify a channel with a continuous voltage regulation." > http://www.masottiamp.it/std-pw4.html > > Cioks > Cioks Double Jack > Power adapter for pedals 5x9V and 2x12V outputs (230V only) more ğ > Price: 99.41 EUR > > Cioks Big John > Power adapter for pedals 7x9V outputs (230V only) more ğ > Price: 89.00 EUR > > Cioks Booster Flex 9-18V > Flex cable with built-in 9 to 18V step-up voltage converter. A simple way of > using a 9V output for powering an 18V pedal. > Price: 40.00 EUR . > > Plus cusatom poer cables, split cables etc. > http://www.custom-sounds.com/epages/customsounds.storefront/42438ee902890d8a2741d94dcd01067c/Catalog/1022 > http://www.cioks.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:46 AM > Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters > > > > >Aha! > > >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange > > >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it > > >from Dunlop. > > > > Right...here's the product I was referring to: > > > > http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164 > > > > I think it's probably the best product on the market currently. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 04:00:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2P8tSs30576; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:55:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:55:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c530f2$14db1c50$0a01a8c0@remwavesnet> References: <410-22005352525012490@earthlink.net> <000501c530f2$14db1c50$0a01a8c0@remwavesnet> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:53:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-9qPBD.A.kcH.aH9QCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued for >quite some time. >A new production run with several updates are ready to start. They make them in small batches. I have one with the new updates. Looks like they sold out (no surprise), and more more with coming shortly. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 05:35:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PAOHp14167; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:24:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:24:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325093138.02b72670@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:22:42 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available In-Reply-To: <200503232031.j2NKV4B21080@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503232031.j2NKV4B21080@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 20:31 23/03/05, you wrote: >>Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. I >>will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an ASIO >>capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program. hi Tony, Quite right, and luckily he saw anyway. The EDP has a lot of features designed to allow the manipulation of loops well beyond the the "loop/overdub/feedback" norm. Mobius incorporates some of those, particularly the more commonly used ones, it also has new features not found in the EDP. I don't see it as having stuff missing, rather that it's a different beast altogether which incorporates a lot of EDP ideas. I'm partly responsible for some of the EDP Interface Modes, so probably I overestimate their importance ( there's plenty of stuff in there no-one exploited yet). hi Jeff Your take on Loop Windowing sounds very promising. "Reverse Snipplets" was an effect that was easy in loop3. Ending a Multiply with Reverse would cause the loop length to be cut where the Reverse was pressed( UnRounded Multiply) so I could play a short phrase over a loop, and then have it Reversed and Repeated , with a small section of loop as backing. By using Nextloop to create the "Snipplet" it was possible to leave the original loop intact and return to it. In Loop4 the Multiply function was improved so that alternate endings would still give a RoundMultiply, and Reverse Snipplets required a second press of Reverse to make them happen (not so easy to get good timing on what is anyway a difficult technique to pull off) Against his better judgement, I eventually persuaded Matthias to put "Reverse Snipplets" into Loop4. "The Hidden UnroundedMultiply Reverse Function" (in the manual) was the result. As far as I know, only Andre LaFosse ever found the function. "Snipplets" is a word in a language called Switznglish, the meaning is self evident. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 06:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PAvo418929; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:57:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:57:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:55:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325093138.02b72670@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm.... I couldn't find "The Hidden UnroundedMultiplyReverse Function" in the EDP manual: http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf but in the LoopIVGuide: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/LoopIVGuide.pdf The paragraph reads: The Hidden UnroundedMultiplyReverse Function In LoopIII the limitation with Multiply cross functions that forced us to do them Unrounded resulted in one function that some users liked. If Mutliply was going and overdubs were being made over the top, ending with a single button press of Reverse immediately changed the length of the loop to that point and instantly put the resulting UnroundedMultiply into reverse. This was an interesting use, but after we made the improvements that allowed us to do Multiply cross functions Rounded it was only possible by doing two button presses. (With two button presses, you do it like this: end Multiply with Reverse, then press Record during the Rounding period to set the new loop length and immediately have it in reverse.) So for the user who lost this favorite function, we found a way to give it back to him. It is a little bit obscure in operation, so bear with us. Set MoreLoops to some number greater than 1. Set SwitchQuantize on to Confirm. (any quantizing value works, but it is easiest with Confirm.) Record your basic loop in Loop 1. Press NextLoop. You will go into the "Confirming" state, where it waits for another function press before it goes into the next loop. Press Multiply down and hold it down. This will immediately put you into the next loop, copying the audio from the first loop. Overdub as much as you want over multiples of your first loop. When you are ready, release Multiply. The loop in Loop 2 will immediately stop copying, reset the loop length to that point, and go into Reverse! So there is the old UnroundedMultiplyReverse function, now properly called NextUnroundedSUSMultiplyReverse. When InsertMode is equal to SUS, this function is disabled in favor of the usual UnroundedMultiply SUS function. So after all, it's worth reading the LoopIV guide alongside the EDP manual. I always thought the LoopIV guide was fully integrated into the most recent EDP manual... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Freitag, 25. Marz 2005 11:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available > > > At 20:31 23/03/05, you wrote: > >>Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an > enthusiastic user. I > >>will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 > and an ASIO > >>capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program. > > hi Tony, > Quite right, and luckily he saw anyway. > > The EDP has a lot of features designed to allow the manipulation of loops > well beyond the the "loop/overdub/feedback" norm. > Mobius incorporates some of those, particularly the more commonly used > ones, it also has new features not found in the EDP. I don't see it as > having stuff missing, rather that it's a different beast altogether which > incorporates a lot of EDP ideas. > > I'm partly responsible for some of the EDP Interface Modes, so probably I > overestimate their importance ( there's plenty of stuff in there no-one > exploited yet). > > hi Jeff > Your take on Loop Windowing sounds very promising. > > > "Reverse Snipplets" was an effect that was easy in loop3. > Ending a Multiply with Reverse would cause the loop length to be > cut where > the Reverse was pressed( UnRounded Multiply) so I could play a > short phrase > over a loop, and then have it Reversed and Repeated , with a > small section > of loop as backing. By using Nextloop to create the "Snipplet" it was > possible to leave the original loop intact and return to it. > > In Loop4 the Multiply function was improved so that alternate > endings would > still give a RoundMultiply, and Reverse Snipplets required a second press > of Reverse to make them happen > (not so easy to get good timing on what is anyway a difficult > technique to > pull off) > > Against his better judgement, I eventually persuaded Matthias to put > "Reverse Snipplets" into Loop4. > "The Hidden UnroundedMultiply Reverse Function" (in the manual) > was the result. > As far as I know, only Andre LaFosse ever found the function. > > "Snipplets" is a word in a language called Switznglish, the meaning is > self evident. > > andybutler > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 06:29:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PBRG423646; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:27:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:27:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=j5h9FySmbSkcC7jHQR2yww5ajnGYruJBm0D3O2cSEeKSWIlFHarUjtt9qfHRPwGuMTiDODToXn/MudXuaroQveGbFs008PMLWSn/evAsyiX9QGgLmGRxxdtU5aZiSyv7kBGAUContRBgMXenqgUcZfcKh1/OGuOTUD5IPP4mGek= ; Message-ID: <20050325112558.54444.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Adrian Belew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey and his using a boomerang! http://www.adrianbelew.net/images/StudioBelew12-28-04.jpg i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they really didnt take off although the look really cool...with time i would also opt for this option after hauling a refigerator of efxs and breaking valuable gear! jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator? Luis --- Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > Adrian is amazing and also one of the nicest guys > you will ever meet in > the music business. Its great that he can play > really crazy avant garde > stuff like King Crimson or Zappa and then play > beautiful understated > acoustic work like his playing on Tori Amos' strange > little girls and > be so great at both. > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King > Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the > world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise > duo since Sonny & > Cher) > On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > > > I know this isn't a looping topic, > > but  I'd like to share with you the pleasure that > give me the latest > > album of Adrian Belew. > > It's very difficoult a categorization, SIDE > ONE pass trough rock, pop, > > alternative, and some other genres, confirming > the talent of Andrian > > in composition, in playing, and in discovering new > sounds and rythmic > > architettures. > > Sometimes, I've heard some loops  and reverse > effect (...as usual). > > Even if I am a keyboardist i was always attracted > by the guitarists: i > > like King Crimson and Robert Fripp (....I like > Paco de Lucia and > > egberto Gismonti too...)..., but Adrian Belew is > pure "genius". > > Someone have hear Side one ? > > Greetings > > Fabio > >   > >   > > > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html? > > > tag=quickurl > > http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 08:52:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PDnWP12576; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=s73urYOnFW6qPTrfPhtJoR0amMo518AwkD9a8Tt5TNn9uMhBKt/N4z8uMpdzmDEIXirXf8G35BOA9GLVMsz+x1wO7aaGwVfh4JH6jvtHbUM1qPDA16quPCxG1jaJBFH9f6/eQq+Rbo3qxblIo7g6YaizaMUqSKb39bV4rkW5pCo= ; Message-ID: <20050325134808.24499.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:48:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: unsub/digest (was: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good morning, Mister Weasel (if that IS your real name), You could always unsub from your primary address and resub under an account used only for the list (like a free Yahoo/Hotmail/etc. account) which also tends to keep the spam out of your primary mailbox. -t- --- mrweasel wrote: > Hi > Is there a way to read the messages on the internet > without receiving the > emails from the list, and be able to reply to > messages at the same time? > If so, that would be great as there are quite a lot > of messages to come in > daily and it slows down my email server. If this is > possible, how can I > desactivate the receipt from emails? > If this is not possible, can you please unsuscribe > me from the list then > (and I'll browse through the monthly digests on the > net) > Loop on > Mr Weasel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Montgomery > [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net] > Sent: jeudi 24 mars 2005 23:45 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs > > I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King > Crimson mailing list a > few years ago. In the late 90's, there were a few > posters who began a > heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion. > After awhile, Adrian > replied with the following "diatribe": > > http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html > > Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of > Light' and of course > 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading > too much elephant talk, > chit-chat. Art imitates life again :-) > > Dennis > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 09:07:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PE5EV16819; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Axy0w2aWmGSuGc/efVoEMDXsTXGvj0It4itFk1jri3bdtVYwqlvcqiwYWBA2idwujZ3/bieBRz+wzAUlPLLbsmCMi3oL95fSgrryEn0BGfDM5l0ifLgqbITaTSt389qTAcrvCCQuIezftLYZCTVYQc/pls6Joy5fz3+PA8cT4oY= ; Message-ID: <20050325140314.4859.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:03:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Adrian Belew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4qMIQC.A.-BE.noBRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Adding to the list of favorite Belew albums/tracks, I want to mention 'The Man In The Moon' about the death of Belew's father. I remember being really into Lone Rhino and TBK when they first came out, and then several years later after my own father died, I reconnected with that track. It's a testament to Belew's versatility that such diverse tracks as 'The Man In The Moon' and 'The Momur' can go on the same album and not sound incongruous. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 09:22:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PEJMn19642; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251418.j2PEIgx19554@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Re: Mobius Beta 8 Available Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:18:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325093138.02b72670@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxJNAbdNyUetJ0RUCeNWPEI41/RQAH8C/Q Resent-Message-ID: <0v3SrC.A.zxE.D3BRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was particularly fond of stutter mode myself found it very useful. Right now getting scripting seems to have become a higher priority and some alternate endings aren't working exactly like an EDP. Why not signup and nudge Jeff on some of these feature or better yet push the envelope a little that seems to be something you manage to do pretty well Andy :) It could only serve to make Mobius better yet -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available At 20:31 23/03/05, you wrote: I'm partly responsible for some of the EDP Interface Modes, so probably I overestimate their importance ( there's plenty of stuff in there no-one exploited yet). hi Jeff Your take on Loop Windowing sounds very promising. "Reverse Snipplets" was an effect that was easy in loop3. Ending a Multiply with Reverse would cause the loop length to be cut where the Reverse was pressed( UnRounded Multiply) so I could play a short phrase over a loop, and then have it Reversed and Repeated , with a small section of loop as backing. By using Nextloop to create the "Snipplet" it was possible to leave the original loop intact and return to it. In Loop4 the Multiply function was improved so that alternate endings would still give a RoundMultiply, and Reverse Snipplets required a second press of Reverse to make them happen (not so easy to get good timing on what is anyway a difficult technique to pull off) Against his better judgement, I eventually persuaded Matthias to put "Reverse Snipplets" into Loop4. "The Hidden UnroundedMultiply Reverse Function" (in the manual) was the result. As far as I know, only Andre LaFosse ever found the function. "Snipplets" is a word in a language called Switznglish, the meaning is self evident. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 10:12:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PF9ZD27055; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:09:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:09:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:08:37 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42442975.8000909@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard Wagner wrote: > Multiply cross functions Rounded it was only possible by doing two button > presses. (With two button presses, you do it > like this: end Multiply with Reverse, then press Record during the Rounding > period to set the new loop length and > immediately have it in reverse.) Interesting. In Mobius you can accomplish this using a script: !name UnroundedMultiplyReverse Jump NotInMultiply mode != multiply Record Reverse Label NotInMultiply end Among other things, scripts give you the ability to execute a sequence of functions at exactly the same time, something that would be very difficult dancing on a footswitch. The Jump statement prevents this from doing anything if you press it accidentally and aren't in multiply mode. The tradeoff of course is that you have to reserve a switch to call the script, whereas with the EDP's multi-step process you can accomplish it using existing switches. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 10:26:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PFNNb28937; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:23:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12062432.1111764121675.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:22:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: how much? Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like a winner, but the link offers no price. How much is all this goodness gonna cost? ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey Sent: Mar 24, 2005 10:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters >Aha! >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it >from Dunlop. Right...here's the product I was referring to: http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164 I think it's probably the best product on the market currently. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 10:36:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PFY6e30510; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42442F25.5080805@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:32:53 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available References: <42442975.8000909@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <42442975.8000909@sun.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792252afdb08d04c6914baa47507c591ac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find it interesting that the EDP creators on this list are silent regarding these software emulations/extrapolations of LoopIV... Is Kim conferring with his lawyer? Or are he and Matthias hard at work drawing up schematics for the Echoplex Pro Plus Magnum 5000XL with 5.1 surround, coding LoopV in assembly, and laughing at all of you trying to adjust your ASIO buffer settings to get lower latency... -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 10:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PFoSh00364; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251548.j2PFmQx32474@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta 7 Available Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:48:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <42442F25.5080805@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxUBY6bblQCVfETe+bR7MCZ985SAAAcbig Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no latency problems haven't needed to adjust latency since day one of the original installation you just need a decent card not one you buy off the Comp USA shelf. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available I find it interesting that the EDP creators on this list are silent regarding these software emulations/extrapolations of LoopIV... Is Kim conferring with his lawyer? Or are he and Matthias hard at work drawing up schematics for the Echoplex Pro Plus Magnum 5000XL with 5.1 surround, coding LoopV in assembly, and laughing at all of you trying to adjust your ASIO buffer settings to get lower latency... -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:03:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PG0MV03554; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <11326624.1111766343755.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:59:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2PFxpx03408 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's something that would make it more useful (unless it's already there and I missed it): some mega-juice 9v outlets for power-hog rack units like the Vortex. ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: "Torstein H. Rem" Sent: Mar 24, 2005 11:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued for quite some time. A new production run with several updates are ready to start. Check this thead for some more info at the Gearpage forum. "5 Isolated outputs (4 DC and 1 AC): 2 x 9vdc @ 500ma each with 4 standard tip neg jacks (the first jack on each of the 9vdc ISO's have a VBat circuit) 1 x adjustable from 4.5 - 21vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks 1 x adjustable from 7.5 - 24vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks 1 x 12VAC @ 1.5A (Line 6 POD XT, H&K, Digitech, etc.....) We retained the 120vac / 3 prong aux jack on the back as well The two built in VBat circuits and all DIP switches for setting voltages are on the front panel! The enclosure is all sheet metal (designed by me) and is rugged as heck....much sturdier than our old enclosure. OK - Pricing will be between $239 - $249 with your choice of 10 molded power cables (one right angle to one straight.)" http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=21e069a8dec377851d2d186d875230d5&threadid=72257&highlight=juicebox ------------------------------------------------------- A couple of other power supplies; Italien Masotti PW-4 PS! Will custom make according to spesific needs. "PW4 is the solution to ground loops problems in complex pedalboards and it is developed in cooperation with professional guitar players. Each channel is filtered and stabilized separately and there is a total isolation between the outputs. Since current capability of the channel is redundant (consumption of an analog effect like TS9 is a few mA, while a digital pedal is about 50-60mA), PW4 is useful also for more than four effects. Of course you loose total absence of loops but, in most cases the four isolated outputs allow to avoid hum and noise presence in the signal. Due to large current room, each channel has two connectors to power directly eight effects with standard cables. Isolation between channels allows to have a 18V out with a special cable delivered upo request. Furthermore, we can ship PW4 with any standard voltage (5,9,12,15 or 18V) in one channel free of charge. For special needs we can modify a channel with a continuous voltage regulation." http://www.masottiamp.it/std-pw4.html Cioks Cioks Double Jack Power adapter for pedals 5x9V and 2x12V outputs (230V only) more ğ Price: 99.41 EUR Cioks Big John Power adapter for pedals 7x9V outputs (230V only) more ğ Price: 89.00 EUR Cioks Booster Flex 9-18V Flex cable with built-in 9 to 18V step-up voltage converter. A simple way of using a 9V output for powering an 18V pedal. Price: 40.00 EUR . Plus cusatom poer cables, split cables etc. http://www.custom-sounds.com/epages/customsounds.storefront/42438ee902890d8a2741d94dcd01067c/Catalog/1022 http://www.cioks.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters > >Aha! > >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange > >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it > >from Dunlop. > > Right...here's the product I was referring to: > > http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164 > > I think it's probably the best product on the market currently. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PG0l203582; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42443591.2090207@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:17 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available References: <200503251548.j2PFmQx32474@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200503251548.j2PFmQx32474@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b4b1afb45646ac127422cbbfd2498106350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > I have no latency problems haven't needed to adjust latency since day one of > the original installation you just need a decent card not one you buy off > the Comp USA shelf. If you've never touched it, then you should definitely check it out. It could probably be lowered. Latency is a perceptual problem. If you can't perceive it, then it's not a problem. It bothers some people though. What is CompUSA? Do they sell MOTU 828s? -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PG15403612; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:01:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:01:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta 7 Available Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:00:10 -0700 Message-ID: <012e01c53153$b93c98d0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <42442F25.5080805@neoprimitive.net> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 122, in=240, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.150.235 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just waiting to get my Behringer MIDI controller (finally got one on eBay!) so I can try the damn thing out! :) There is another program that "emulates" some EDP functionality too, but for Linux and MAC only: 1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). Not VST, but a stand-alone program. Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any other platforms that support JACK. Not supported on XP, but is supposed to be in the future. . http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ Supposedly, they are working on an XP version....interesting. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available I find it interesting that the EDP creators on this list are silent regarding these software emulations/extrapolations of LoopIV... Is Kim conferring with his lawyer? Or are he and Matthias hard at work drawing up schematics for the Echoplex Pro Plus Magnum 5000XL with 5.1 surround, coding LoopV in assembly, and laughing at all of you trying to adjust your ASIO buffer settings to get lower latency... -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PG2i904296; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:02:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=xExt/AhGqlE2BNxMBG18HBy3WhtJkd9HxpGRPnXzyHpuaKTiKJcdWIxXM3g6UWdo5ILfK5tzvi+j/jPzevmfL/M9pNiSKjEyKbppWCf++0Ca4i8XFQxTdwNP5drSrFfF0KXJOZG/6FhTaRrc2vGMl7npjV9IiC0R+mUWKrJe4Os= ; Message-ID: <20050325160208.36383.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:02:08 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Guitar MIDI pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Q2x5C.A.2_.FYDRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin MIDI pickup for guitar, and have found several links to older models, but I can't find anything that is currently being produced. I found several that just kind of mount on under your strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. =) Know of anything? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:13:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PGBMb05787; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:11:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:11:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251609.j2PG9fx05573@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:09:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <42443591.2090207@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxU9B/MHJTj+bhRjWPJUvDa6QyFgAADAfw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did adjust it on day one there is only so, much you can adjust on any card that exists. The intended usage effects how latency will impact you I haven't had any issue but, I could very well have just gotten used to compensating. It can't be too much compensating otherwise I might have been bothereed by it. Motu 828 I know little of I went PCI to obtain as little latency as I could manage I haven't got that much faith in any external devices. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available Alan Kroeger wrote: > I have no latency problems haven't needed to adjust latency since day > one of the original installation you just need a decent card not one > you buy off the Comp USA shelf. If you've never touched it, then you should definitely check it out. It could probably be lowered. Latency is a perceptual problem. If you can't perceive it, then it's not a problem. It bothers some people though. What is CompUSA? Do they sell MOTU 828s? -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:23:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PGL4R07731; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:21:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:21:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42443A02.7050002@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:19:14 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 References: <200503251609.j2PG9fx05573@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200503251609.j2PG9fx05573@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79656f5712524653195dbb2f5c61139563350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > I did adjust it on day one there is only so, much you can adjust on any card > that exists. > The intended usage effects how latency will impact you I haven't had any > issue but, I could very well have just gotten used to compensating. It can't > be too much compensating otherwise I might have been bothereed by it. Motu > 828 I know little of I went PCI to obtain as little latency as I could > manage I haven't got that much faith in any external devices. 2.5ms here via Firewire PCMCIA card on a 2.4GHz P4 laptop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:30:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PGRuX09923; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:27:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251627.j2PGR2x09646@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:27:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <42443A02.7050002@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxVqXjPbHybh0EQeK+RQrgPoWHlgAACEPA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I already know mine is 5ms and it isn't bothering me much 2.0 Ghz Optiplex with a 1 GB memory so, where are you having problems with the MIDI? or is it a delay in the audio? I tell you what Jeffs program is pretty well optimized I get the distinct sense that he spent a portion of his programming life doing some Assembler by the looks of the Scripting language. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 Alan Kroeger wrote: > I did adjust it on day one there is only so, much you can adjust on > any card that exists. > The intended usage effects how latency will impact you I haven't had > any issue but, I could very well have just gotten used to > compensating. It can't be too much compensating otherwise I might have > been bothereed by it. Motu > 828 I know little of I went PCI to obtain as little latency as I could > manage I haven't got that much faith in any external devices. 2.5ms here via Firewire PCMCIA card on a 2.4GHz P4 laptop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PGfqp12451; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42443F4D.4010206@neoprimitive.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:41:49 -0500 From: Jesse Lucas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 References: <200503251627.j2PGR2x09646@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200503251627.j2PGR2x09646@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: d1594020a4c1807a1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79107968d6eb9767c0b6d9025928ae0783350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.39.139.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > I already know mine is 5ms and it isn't bothering me much 2.0 Ghz Optiplex > with a 1 GB memory so, where are you having problems with the MIDI? or is it > a delay in the audio? I'm not having problems. The original post was *funny*. > I tell you what Jeffs program is pretty well optimized I get the distinct > sense that he spent a portion of his programming life doing some Assembler > by the looks of the Scripting language. I look forward to trying it. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PGooZ14208; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:50:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:50:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251649.j2PGnSx14018@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:49:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <42443F4D.4010206@neoprimitive.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxWY7xvkkXTsNJSq2iw+GJaPVw1AAAI+dw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great at the very least I am sure you will get a kick out of it even if it don't/won't suit you :) -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 I look forward to trying it. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 11:53:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PGp7114237; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:51:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:51:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:50:21 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 In-reply-to: <42443A02.7050002@neoprimitive.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4244414D.1020708@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200503251609.j2PG9fx05573@hemlock.violacea.com> <42443A02.7050002@neoprimitive.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Lucas wrote: > 2.5ms here via Firewire PCMCIA card on a 2.4GHz P4 laptop. I found it surprising at first that latency didn't bother me at all during most looping provided that I was monitoring the input signal in analog rather than letting it pass through the PC. Since looping is usually delayed playback of a signal, you can quite often compensate for latency and won't hear it. This is true at least for the basic record/overdub/rounded multiply style of looping, or when you are quantizing functions. I did the majority of my testing using extremely high latency (200ms) just to ensure that compensation was being performed correctly. Where latency becomes more of an issue is in "glitch" looping where you make a lot of abrupt playback changes, like retriggering, unrounded multiply/insert, or unquantized replace/reverse/loop switch. I personally find this very difficult to hear at ASIO latency, but as you say, it's personal thing. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 12:05:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PH2OV17660; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:02:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:02:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251701.j2PH1bx17527@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:01:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4244414D.1020708@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxWtiPJkmjq3vFRyeEbulTYUAX8gAAFL3w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That would be what I have found and as I continue to practice I am managing that one pretty well without any great amount of concentration. You can become immune to the latency if you conciously decide to live with it and learn where it occurs and make your results more predictable by practicing with it. I like the features that are forthcoming well enough to live with the small amount of latency that I have learned/learning to compensate for. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Beta now Beta 8 Where latency becomes more of an issue is in "glitch" looping where you make a lot of abrupt playback changes, like retriggering, unrounded multiply/insert, or unquantized replace/reverse/loop switch. I personally find this very difficult to hear at ASIO latency, but as you say, it's personal thing. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 12:48:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PHjKn24748; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050325160208.36383.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050325160208.36383.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:39:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <0c50PC.A.E-F.Z3ERCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup (GR-20?). It was about $650 and comes with the pickup and electronics. Everything you need to get going right out of the box. It set up very easily on his strat with no drilling. I would imagine, though, that you might want to get some different modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always hooks us up! HTH Edwin At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin MIDI >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to >older models, but I can't find anything that is >currently being produced. > >I found several that just kind of mount on under your >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A >little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that >Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. =) > >Know of anything? > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 12:52:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PHo4f25463; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:50:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050325112558.54444.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050325112558.54444.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-321722908 Message-Id: <18A2F14C-9D56-11D9-ABEF-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:48:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-27-321722908 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they > really didnt take off although the look really > cool... I am not a big fan of them, but I am feel the same way about all the line 6 stuff as well. They just do not really work well on records in my experience. > jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator? I helped out for a few years when i was doing a bunch of records with Fripp and King Crimson, but the real hero/mastermind behind Fripp's rig is John Sinks who is responsible for much of the design, maintenance and coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-27-321722908 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they really didnt take off although the look really cool... I am not a big fan of them, but I am feel the same way about all the line 6 stuff as well. They just do not really work well on records in my experience. jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator? I helped out for a few years when i was doing a bunch of records with Fripp and King Crimson, but the real hero/mastermind behind Fripp's rig is John Sinks who is responsible for much of the design, maintenance and coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-27-321722908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 12:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PHomV25561; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:50:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:50:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050325175001.34034.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_NFcqD.A.MOG.P9ERCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use the software synths I have on there. The Roland stuff uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... Thanks for the help! Mike --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup > (GR-20?). It was > about $650 and comes with the pickup and > electronics. Everything you > need to get going right out of the box. It set up > very easily on his > strat with no drilling. > I would imagine, though, that you might want to get > some different > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. > > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always > hooks us up! > > > HTH > Edwin > > > > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin > MIDI > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to > >older models, but I can't find anything that is > >currently being produced. > > > >I found several that just kind of mount on under > your > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A > >little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that > >Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. =) > > > >Know of anything? > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > Services > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:02:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PHxCU28465; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:59:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:59:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4110191.1111773462339.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:57:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "A little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. =) " I always thought they looked like Borg prostheses, myself ;-) ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: mike feeney Sent: Mar 25, 2005 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Guitar MIDI pickups I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin MIDI pickup for guitar, and have found several links to older models, but I can't find anything that is currently being produced. I found several that just kind of mount on under your strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. =) Know of anything? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:04:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PI2KZ29181; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:02:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:02:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:02:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20050325175001.34034.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUxY1SNDlHJC7RYTRyNnHwIlkLhqQAAPlgw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1DEt8837Ng-00069l@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was a company called MidiAxe doing this about 5 years ago, but they went out of business. If you are lucky you can find an older Parker MidiFly or Brian Moore 5pin, although it is the MidiAxe company that provided them with the software. I doubt there would be support if you needed it. Brian Moore currently has a USB equipped guitar, but it provides audio only I believe. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin midi out > so that i can just run it into my Mac and use the software > synths I have on there. The Roland stuff uses a 13-pin > thing, I believe... > > Thanks for the help! > Mike > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:06:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PI4QY29751; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:04:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:04:59 -0800 Subject: Gig; Berkeley, Ca. Sat.26th 7-11pm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050325140314.4859.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <67353982-9D58-11D9-99BC-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Fellow Loopers , Tomorrow in Berkeley at NEXUS Gallery , ( 2701 8th St.) I'll be playing my first long looping performance since the birth on my son Jaya ,(2 years) A departure from my y24k( DL-4 and a volume pedal) performance, I'll be looping on an Eclipse,DL-4, a pair of Echoplexxei, and I will be playing my 12 string fretless bass.. I'll be supporting a very nice visual artist Lynn Orlando . So, It probably won't be the time for me to get that $50 from Kimm for outrageous stagemanship . Please stop by and say hello for any part of the evening. PEACE Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PI8hu30547; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:08:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251808.j2PI82x30466@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:08:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050325175001.34034.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxYy8A89kEj76lQ1eG2t4afKZrsAAAZLfw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't got a clue as to what you actually have there but, pickups don't put out MIDI notes they need a convertor between them and the MIDI sound module. Does this pickup have an audio to MIDI note converter with it? I might suggest you visit this particular Yahoo group http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ maybe someone there knows more about this unit you have. The fellow that moderates that group has a useful website too http://www.midiguitar.net -----Original Message----- From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use the software synths I have on there. The Roland stuff uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... Thanks for the help! Mike --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup (GR-20?). It was > about $650 and comes with the pickup and electronics. Everything you > need to get going right out of the box. It set up very easily on his > strat with no drilling. > I would imagine, though, that you might want to get some different > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. > > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always hooks us up! > > > HTH > Edwin > > > > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin > MIDI > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to older models, but > >I can't find anything that is currently being produced. > > > >I found several that just kind of mount on under > your > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A little clunky > >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. > >=) > > > >Know of anything? > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:30:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PIRjo01836; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:27:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:27:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42445821.3020006@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:27:45 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #418 for March 24, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050324.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #418 March 24, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American Ambient master Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Mantram" by Steve Roach, Byron Metcalf, and Mark Seelig on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Romance 76" by Peter Baumann on Virgin Records released in 1976. Steve Roach - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ 11:00 pm Peter Baumann Bicentennial Present Romance 76 (Virgin) Palancar Visible Only In Shadows Broadcasts (Blue Water) Footfall Viola Nebulae Empyrean (Blue Water) Amongst Myselves Encounter at the Bay Still Life (RMC) Ian Boaddy and Scorpio Moire (DiN) Bernhard Wosteinrich VA [Jaia] Alone Fahrenheit Project part five (Ultimae) Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part one Mantram (Projekt) 12:00 am Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part two Mantram (Projekt) Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part three Mantram (Projekt) Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part four Mantram (Projekt) Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part five Mantram (Projekt) Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part six Mantram (Projekt) Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part seven Mantram (Projekt) Roach/Metcalf/Seelig part eight Mantram (Projekt) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Holding the Space: Fever Dreams II" by Steve Roach on the Timeroom Editions label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mutation 24" by Claude Perraudin on RCA Records from 1977. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:38:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PIZtq04274; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:35:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=h+WH19zaOTh66cVnkTq6cxo0MvLqwd8KD+RRalduU4jKq8+Hln/6M8DEfNpJj69ZBdjc3+gboF7XuFrLLt5MIl+zXYEvf2ld3LSqRtv1Bh584SE8+otxbOn5cbi/SV0Mw0q2pnqbmqLWJJh8Fe7TGf4jaJvOXtC5F3hDfNilWOw= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205032510343a6e0e23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:34:52 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsub/digest (was: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs) In-Reply-To: <20050325134808.24499.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050325134808.24499.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd strongly recommend a gmail account and a filter for looper's delight (I can send you an invitation if you like). Not only will it put the email into a little label on the left of the screen, it consolidates messages and their replies into a single thread that makes LD SO much easier to handle. I get huge volumes of email... 20,000 pieces since June (not counting Spam)... and this is all that works for me. Disclaimer: I am an engineer working for Google but I'm speaking for myself here and not for the company. On Mar 25, 2005 8:48 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > Good morning, Mister Weasel (if that IS your real > name), > > You could always unsub from your primary address and > resub under an account used only for the list (like a > free Yahoo/Hotmail/etc. account) which also tends to > keep the spam out of your primary mailbox. > > -t- > > --- mrweasel wrote: > > Hi > > Is there a way to read the messages on the internet > > without receiving the > > emails from the list, and be able to reply to > > messages at the same time? > > If so, that would be great as there are quite a lot > > of messages to come in > > daily and it slows down my email server. If this is > > possible, how can I > > desactivate the receipt from emails? > > If this is not possible, can you please unsuscribe > > me from the list then > > (and I'll browse through the monthly digests on the > > net) > > Loop on > > Mr Weasel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Montgomery > > [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net] > > Sent: jeudi 24 mars 2005 23:45 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs > > > > I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King > > Crimson mailing list a > > few years ago. In the late 90's, there were a few > > posters who began a > > heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion. > > After awhile, Adrian > > replied with the following "diatribe": > > > > http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html > > > > Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of > > Light' and of course > > 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading > > too much elephant talk, > > chit-chat. Art imitates life again :-) > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:49:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PIk0H05944; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:46:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:46:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050325184423.55879.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:44:23 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1nqIn.A.RXB.NwFRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at the moment. On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with 5-pin midi out jacks right on the guitar that (I believe) have the converter right on board. So, I assumed one could buy a complete pickup/converter that just installed on the guitar itself. The search goes on... Thanks for the help. Mike --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > I haven't got a clue as to what you actually have > there but, pickups don't > put out MIDI notes they need a convertor between > them and the MIDI sound > module. Does this pickup have an audio to MIDI note > converter with it? > I might suggest you visit this particular Yahoo > group > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ > maybe someone there knows > more about this unit you have. The fellow that > moderates that group has a > useful website too http://www.midiguitar.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups > > > What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin > midi out so that i can > just run it into my Mac and use the software synths > I have on there. The > Roland stuff uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... > > Thanks for the help! > Mike > > > --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup > (GR-20?). It was > > about $650 and comes with the pickup and > electronics. Everything you > > need to get going right out of the box. It set up > very easily on his > > strat with no drilling. > > I would imagine, though, that you might want to > get some different > > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. > > > > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP > always hooks us up! > > > > > > HTH > > Edwin > > > > > > > > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: > > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin > > MIDI > > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links > to older models, but > > >I can't find anything that is currently being > produced. > > > > > >I found several that just kind of mount on under > > your > > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A > little clunky > > >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's > guitar kind of way. > > >=) > > > > > >Know of anything? > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > > -- > > > > Edwin Hurwitz > > Boulder CO > > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > Services > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:57:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PIthI07968; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:55:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:55:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oyP2VRNqh8lpuV7IDSRWqYvEyNFbRdzG2Rwrfk3K32YypIH9VH2rF0gBJkH0xOyNXIHRpFy6bhSifTl52jhsWytUa1M6imxHdjdd/32EjxQat0DM5UNcOhwHnfEvKJ7Ebe/HadcOc7wjs+vZTpeLFHFrMcefTbkRf/lYzAWl+cA= ; Message-ID: <20050325185511.36879.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI rack synth modules To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any recomendations on synth Modules that will work with a GK-2?the stock roland sounds do get old! thanx Luis --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup > (GR-20?). It was > about $650 and comes with the pickup and > electronics. Everything you > need to get going right out of the box. It set up > very easily on his > strat with no drilling. > I would imagine, though, that you might want to get > some different > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. > > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always > hooks us up! > > > HTH > Edwin > > > > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin > MIDI > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to > >older models, but I can't find anything that is > >currently being produced. > > > >I found several that just kind of mount on under > your > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A > >little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that > >Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. =) > > > >Know of anything? > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > Services > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 13:58:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PIu3c07996; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050325185406.95734.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:54:06 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Adrian Belew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a little 60 watt Johnson. It doesn't do all the fancy stuff the the models that Adrainn uses, but I spent a few hours with it once, comparing it to an all tube Ampeg Reverbrocket (great amp, btw) and the Reverbrocket lost. However, when you take the direct out of the Johnson to a mixer, you don't get as good a result as you do with it's own cab. One cool thing is it has a stereo effects loop. Mark --- Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > > i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they > > really didnt take off although the look really > > cool... > > I am not a big fan of them, but I am feel the same > way about all the > line 6 stuff as well. They just do not really work > well on records in > my experience. > > > jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator? > > I helped out for a few years when i was doing a > bunch of records with > Fripp and King Crimson, but the real hero/mastermind > behind Fripp's rig > is John Sinks who is responsible for much of the > design, maintenance > and coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator. > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King > Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the > world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise > duo since Sonny & > Cher) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 14:08:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PJ5Tr11377; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251903.j2PJ3ox11168@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:03:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050325184423.55879.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxauZM2U5uqKJeTxCITW6s45aDKQAANC3w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No problem there Mike those sites helped me a bunch when I still had some MIDI Guitar equiptment. I think there weren't many systems out there with an onboard converter module so, finding one used might prove difficult. I took a look at one of the casios I found on ebay looks like the electronics took up a lot of space in the instrument and might be quite a bit of work retro fitting to another instrument (not impossible) It might be better to just buy and use a Casio which is fairly dated technology. I had a Roland GI-20 for a while and it set me back a few dollars but, with that system I could choose any sound module I wanted. I got tired of MIDI guitar and decided to just go with DSP processors instead. -----Original Message----- From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at the moment. On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with 5-pin midi out jacks right on the guitar that (I believe) have the converter right on board. So, I assumed one could buy a complete pickup/converter that just installed on the guitar itself. The search goes on... Thanks for the help. Mike --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > I haven't got a clue as to what you actually have there but, pickups > don't put out MIDI notes they need a convertor between them and the > MIDI sound module. Does this pickup have an audio to MIDI note > converter with it? > I might suggest you visit this particular Yahoo group > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ > maybe someone there knows > more about this unit you have. The fellow that moderates that group > has a useful website too http://www.midiguitar.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups > > > What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin midi out so that > i can just run it into my Mac and use the software synths I have on > there. The Roland stuff uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... > > Thanks for the help! > Mike > > > --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup > (GR-20?). It was > > about $650 and comes with the pickup and > electronics. Everything you > > need to get going right out of the box. It set up > very easily on his > > strat with no drilling. > > I would imagine, though, that you might want to > get some different > > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. > > > > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP > always hooks us up! > > > > > > HTH > > Edwin > > > > > > > > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: > > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin > > MIDI > > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links > to older models, but > > >I can't find anything that is currently being > produced. > > > > > >I found several that just kind of mount on under > > your > > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A > little clunky > > >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's > guitar kind of way. > > >=) > > > > > >Know of anything? > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > > -- > > > > Edwin Hurwitz > > Boulder CO > > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > Services > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 14:08:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PJ5tm11431; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251905.j2PJ5Rx11348@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI rack synth modules Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:05:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050325185511.36879.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxbECalJqhS7e4SHesSPYqr/B3/AAATO7g Resent-Message-ID: <8B2fRC.A.lxC.3DGRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland GI-20 is the Converter only then you can plug into any Software Synth or Hardware Synth that you choose? -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI rack synth modules Any recomendations on synth Modules that will work with a GK-2?the stock roland sounds do get old! thanx Luis --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup (GR-20?). It was > about $650 and comes with the pickup and electronics. Everything you > need to get going right out of the box. It set up very easily on his > strat with no drilling. > I would imagine, though, that you might want to get some different > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. > > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always hooks us up! > > > HTH > Edwin > > > > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin > MIDI > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to older models, but > >I can't find anything that is currently being produced. > > > >I found several that just kind of mount on under > your > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A little clunky > >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. > >=) > > > >Know of anything? > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 14:10:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PJ7Xg11950; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200503251903.j2PJ3ox11168@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503251903.j2PJ3ox11168@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:06:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a problem with using the MIDI out on the Roland floor unit? Or, you could do what Bob Weir did: get a Casio body and put a Modulus Graphite neck on it! He had a bunch of these in the 90s. He even had a way to do it all wireless. Edwin At 2:03 PM -0500 3/25/05, Alan Kroeger wrote: >No problem there Mike those sites helped me a bunch when I still had some >MIDI Guitar equiptment. I think there weren't many systems out there with an >onboard converter module so, finding one used might prove difficult. I took >a look at one of the casios I found on ebay looks like the electronics took >up a lot of space in the instrument and might be quite a bit of work retro >fitting to another instrument (not impossible) It might be better to just >buy and use a Casio which is fairly dated technology. I had a Roland GI-20 >for a while and it set me back a few dollars but, with that system I could >choose any sound module I wanted. I got tired of MIDI guitar and decided to >just go with DSP processors instead. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:44 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups > > >Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at the moment. > >On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with 5-pin midi out jacks >right on the guitar that (I >believe) have the converter right on board. So, I assumed one could buy a >complete pickup/converter that just installed on the guitar itself. The >search goes on... > >Thanks for the help. >Mike -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 14:16:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PJBUN13055; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050325185511.36879.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050325185511.36879.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:09:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI rack synth modules Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:55 AM -0800 3/25/05, L. Angulo wrote: >Any recomendations on synth Modules that will work >with a GK-2?the stock roland sounds do get old! Yamha modeling synths, such as the VL7-m. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 14:19:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PJGbS13822; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:16:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:16:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503251916.j2PJGFx13771@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:16:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxbefLDiEGuQKTQtKbxfN0/TsyygAAN2qw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No problem using the MIDI out from say a GR I did it with a GR09 but, I had to change one setting that filtered down some of the expression and velocity messages sent from the GR module. I can't recall what the setting was called but, it appeared in the manual somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hurwitz [mailto:edwin@indra.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups Is there a problem with using the MIDI out on the Roland floor unit? Or, you could do what Bob Weir did: get a Casio body and put a Modulus Graphite neck on it! He had a bunch of these in the 90s. He even had a way to do it all wireless. Edwin At 2:03 PM -0500 3/25/05, Alan Kroeger wrote: >No problem there Mike those sites helped me a bunch when I still had >some MIDI Guitar equiptment. I think there weren't many systems out >there with an onboard converter module so, finding one used might prove >difficult. I took a look at one of the casios I found on ebay looks >like the electronics took up a lot of space in the instrument and might >be quite a bit of work retro fitting to another instrument (not >impossible) It might be better to just buy and use a Casio which is >fairly dated technology. I had a Roland GI-20 for a while and it set me >back a few dollars but, with that system I could choose any sound >module I wanted. I got tired of MIDI guitar and decided to just go with DSP processors instead. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:44 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups > > >Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at the moment. > >On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with 5-pin midi out >jacks right on the guitar that (I >believe) have the converter right on board. So, I assumed one could >buy a complete pickup/converter that just installed on the guitar >itself. The search goes on... > >Thanks for the help. >Mike -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 15:49:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PKkjK28021; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:46:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012901c5317b$a73abc70$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <18A2F14C-9D56-11D9-ABEF-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:42:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0123_01C53151.4EB0F8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C53151.4EB0F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I helped out for a few years when i was doing a bunch of records with = Fripp and King Crimson, but the real=20 >hero/mastermind behind Fripp's rig is John Sinks who is responsible for = much of the design, maintenance and=20 >coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator. Doesn't he refer to it as the "Lunar Module" ?? :) Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C53151.4EB0F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I helped out for a few years when i was doing a bunch of = records with=20 Fripp and King Crimson, but the real
>hero/mastermind behind Fripp's rig is John Sinks who is = responsible for=20 much of the design, maintenance and
>coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator.
 
Doesn't he refer to it as the "Lunar = Module" ??=20 :)
 
Tony

 
------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C53151.4EB0F8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 15:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PKulo29428; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:56:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013401c5317d$1a4b4260$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050325175001.34034.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, You want a standard MIDI out, right? Casio made a guitar that had that. You can find them used. I've seen them at the Guitar shows. $500-600 from what I remember. http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/casmgtr.htm I don't know of any pickup units that will do that. What you can do is get a GK2A pickup and a GI20 MIDI/USB interface. You're looking at about $550 for the set. I played with a Brian Moore iGuitar into a GI20 into a MAC running Finale and it tracked really well. Nice setup. I wound up getting a Brian Moore and I'm saving my pennies for the GI20. Much nicer than the GR50 I have now. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike feeney" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups > What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin > midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use > the software synths I have on there. The Roland stuff > uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... > > Thanks for the help! > Mike > > > --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: >> A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup >> (GR-20?). It was >> about $650 and comes with the pickup and >> electronics. Everything you >> need to get going right out of the box. It set up >> very easily on his >> strat with no drilling. >> I would imagine, though, that you might want to get >> some different >> modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock. >> >> He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always >> hooks us up! >> >> >> HTH >> Edwin >> >> >> >> At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: >> >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin >> MIDI >> >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to >> >older models, but I can't find anything that is >> >currently being produced. >> > >> >I found several that just kind of mount on under >> your >> >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything. A >> >little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that >> >Frankenstein's guitar kind of way. =) >> > >> >Know of anything? >> > >> > >> > >> >__________________________________ >> >Do you Yahoo!? >> >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >> >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> >> >> -- >> >> Edwin Hurwitz >> Boulder CO >> http://www.indra.com/~edwin >> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording >> Services >> >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 16:19:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PLH1e01737; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42447F79.4060405@bagend.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:15:37 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper Jon Brion's Sony censored Fiona Apple cd References: <75.41c758b8.2f74c80c@aol.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20050324213524.04edc9b0@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050324213524.04edc9b0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last time I looked at his setup at Largo he had a Repeater. I've been going to see him for 6 or 7 years, so he must have used something else before the Repeater existed. -henry Kim Flint wrote: > At 05:49 PM 3/24/2005, PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > >> what does he use for loopage? inquiring loopy minds want to know! =-) PJ > > > Jon Brion uses EDP's. In fact, I think he is the record holder for most > EDP's owned by one person. > > I'd love to see him play live also, hopefully I can make it to LA for > that some day. > > But short of that, you can hear his work in a number of really great > movie soundtracks he composed. For example, I Heart Huckabees, Magnolia > (with Aimee Mann), Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Punch Drunk Love. > > http://idiot-dog.com/music/brion.jon/indexi.html > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 17:29:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PMQps13543; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:26:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:26:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050325175001.34034.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050325175001.34034.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:21:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1100332920==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1100332920==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:50 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote: >What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin >midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use >the software synths I have on there. The Roland stuff >uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... My impression is that the Roland 13-pin system has become the de facto standard for guitar MIDI and Vguitar systems. This means that any current pickup systems such as the Roland GK and the RMC units will be compatible with whatever "brain" you are using to encode the pickup signals as MIDI. Consider that the Casio 15-pin system has been out of production for several years and therefore represents an earlier state of development in guitar pitch tracking. The positive reviews of current-generation Roland and the Axon systems suggest that you'll get better results from one of those, fed by a 13-pin source. Of course, your budget may govern your choices to a great extent. If you want the convenience of direct connection from guitar to MIDI tone module, if your budget is limited, and if you aren't overly concerned about tracking accuracy, your best be may be to scour eBay and other sources for a Casio MIDI guitar. Otherwise, just buy a Roland system or a GK pickup and the convertor of your choice. I have a Roland-ready Stratocaster and a Yamaha G50 Guitar MIDI Convertor (Axon tracking technology from Blue Chip). It works great! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1100332920==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Guitar MIDI pickups
At 9:50 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin
midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use
the software synths I have on there.  The Roland stuff
uses a 13-pin thing, I believe...

My impression is that the Roland 13-pin system has become the de facto standard for guitar MIDI and Vguitar systems. This means that any current pickup systems such as the Roland GK and the RMC units will be compatible with whatever "brain" you are using to encode the pickup signals as MIDI. Consider that the Casio 15-pin system has been out of production for several years and therefore represents an earlier state of development in guitar pitch tracking. The positive reviews of current-generation Roland and the Axon systems suggest that you'll get better results from one of those, fed by a 13-pin source.

Of course, your budget may govern your choices to a great extent. If you want the convenience of direct connection from guitar to MIDI tone module, if your budget is limited, and if you aren't overly concerned about tracking accuracy, your best be may be to scour eBay and other sources for a Casio MIDI guitar. Otherwise, just buy a Roland system or a GK pickup and the convertor of your choice.

I have a Roland-ready Stratocaster and a Yamaha G50 Guitar MIDI Convertor (Axon tracking technology from Blue Chip). It works great!
-- 

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--============_-1100332920==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 17:38:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PMYVf15026; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "Chuck Scholtz" To: References: <75.41c758b8.2f74c80c@aol.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20050324213524.04edc9b0@loopers-delight.com> <42447F79.4060405@bagend.com> Subject: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:30:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2005 22:33:39.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0DE3E50:01C5318A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and do a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file always gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended at the end. I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have the exact file I have edited. I looked under "preferences" but I cant find any setting that will get rid of this. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 17:59:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PMvkV19144; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:57:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:57:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:56:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxiyWKwKbbJ4UwSVezRwFkKpRW7gAAoE7A Message-Id: <20050325225636.KFOL22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Scholtz After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and do a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file always gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended at the end. I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have the exact file I have edited. I looked under "preferences" but I cant find any setting that will get rid of this. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? --->I just tried it this way--highlight a portion of the .wav, then drag to a blank spot to copy that portion. No gaps--and great zero crossing! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 18:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2PMvfK19130; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503252256.j2PMuFx18712@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=CAZcyNwLO8ARocQC+p+RCmdXORnLTMZyMO+eYsik+HKRhS8BQDlHr/mweZgpiiUr; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: , Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #205 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:56:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C53163.F0EDB240" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUxDIAxd/Ksv0VWTku7CyfBrQgr9AAgETJg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200503250730.j2P7ULN19307@hemlock.violacea.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc6e302273125e4bd86d126c1ca4319134350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.69.68.140 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C53163.F0EDB240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enjoy my favorite loopers and other musicians through a pair of Legacy Audio Signature III's. They are suh-weet! And if I turned them up as loud as they could go, I'd be evicted! :-) When I first got them, it was like having a whole new CD collection.things buried in the mix came to life!!! Click here: http://www.legacy-audio.com/2004/signature3.html Peace, Ed in NJ _____ From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #205 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C53163.F0EDB240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I enjoy my favorite loopers and = other musicians through a pair of Legacy Audio Signature = III’s.

 

They are suh-weet! And if I turned = them up as loud as they could go, I’d be evicted! J

 

When I first got them, it was like = having a whole new CD collection…things buried in the mix came to = life!!!

 

Click here: http://www.lega= cy-audio.com/2004/signature3.html

 

Peace,

 

Ed in = NJ

 


From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com]
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------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C53163.F0EDB240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 25 19:50:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2Q0m9203443; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00eb01c5319d$49dca2b0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <75.41c758b8.2f74c80c@aol.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20050324213524.04edc9b0@loopers-delight.com> <42447F79.4060405@bagend.com> Subject: Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:46:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it possible there's some "snap to grid" function at work here? | After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and do | a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file always | gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended at | the end. I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have the | exact file I have edited. I looked under "preferences" but I cant find any | setting that will get rid of this. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? | | | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 00:22:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2Q5IwZ06741; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:18:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:18:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:14:44 -0600 Subject: basic loop equipment From: Stephanie Stemmler To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then hear that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking about cassette 4 track recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops. What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 04:51:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2Q9lgC11228; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:47:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:47:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "OpBeachGuy" To: References: <20050325225636.KFOL22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 (and Cool Edit) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:46:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2005 09:46:59.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[C14315A0:01C531E8] Resent-Message-ID: <7qMtMC.A.kuC.Z-SRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:56 PM Subject: RE: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Scholtz > > After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and > do > a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file > always > gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended > at > the end. I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have the > exact file I have edited. I looked under "preferences" but I cant find > any > setting that will get rid of this. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? > > --->I just tried it this way--highlight a portion of the .wav, then drag > to > a blank spot to copy that portion. No gaps--and great zero crossing! > Gary > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I tried what was recommended but it didn't work for me. I edited the MP3 file with a perfect zero-crossing, cropped it, and just tried saving my edited loop with Cool Edit Pro instead and the same phenomenon happens. I zoomed out and measured it with the cursor and approximately 0.200 of silence is inserted at the beginning and 0.133 of silence is appended to the end of the waveform. Someone please help me figure this out. Now I am really stumped. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 05:52:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QAml717808; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:48:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "OpBeachGuy" To: References: <20050325225636.KFOL22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Update Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 (and Cool Edit) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:47:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2005 10:47:23.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[319EFEB0:01C531F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "OpBeachGuy" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 (and Cool Edit) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:56 PM > Subject: RE: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Scholtz >> >> After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and >> do >> a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file >> always >> gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended >> at >> the end. I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have >> the >> exact file I have edited. I looked under "preferences" but I cant find >> any >> setting that will get rid of this. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? >> >> --->I just tried it this way--highlight a portion of the .wav, then drag >> to >> a blank spot to copy that portion. No gaps--and great zero crossing! >> Gary >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I tried what was recommended but it didn't work for me. I edited the MP3 > file with a perfect zero-crossing, cropped it, and just tried saving my > edited loop with Cool Edit Pro instead and the same phenomenon happens. I > zoomed out and measured it with the cursor and approximately 0.200 of > silence is inserted at the beginning and 0.133 of silence is appended to > the end of the waveform. Someone please help me figure this out. Now I > am really stumped. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I made a discovery. The problem I have described only occurs when editing and looping MP3 files. The WAV files I edit are saved exactly as I edit them. I sometimes prefer to use MP3 files due to better file compression. So can someone figure out why this is happening only to my MP3 edits? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 06:30:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QBQjw22766; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:26:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:26:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <424546B0.4090607@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:25:36 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Update Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 (and Cool Edit) References: <20050325225636.KFOL22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That silence in the ends of mp3 files is common. I guess it's built into the mp3 format. I've cursed my mp3-player a bunch of times because it won't play the transitions between tracks properly, most likely due to this very issue. And don't get me started on loop libraries in mp3-format, yikes! Up until now I've used a batch editor to remove the silence from mp3s when converting them to .wavs. -btw, which program do you use to loop your mp3s? Traktor? Best, Andreas OpBeachGuy wrote:-------------------------------- > I made a discovery. The problem I have described only occurs when > editing and looping MP3 files. The WAV files I edit are saved exactly > as I edit them. I sometimes prefer to use MP3 files due to better > file compression. So can someone figure out why this is happening only > to my MP3 edits? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 08:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QDlDd09467; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:47:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RtGTfCMXJJ+HtLqybLTGVLQm6tlg2PJ/FVl61HPijAQRzGgZIHh0yRI70Q87Wpz71Y4dA7V1Vg23Fv+WVLZWAar6lhmsPjGW0LJJsk1Yk2+sftkokcWNrPHmJ8A682s2awvLIo5FtKJ8OaKljxXC5VA3nkIMk61WwAliFalotWg= ; Message-ID: <20050326134639.12575.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:46:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1NtDCB.A.9SC.EfWRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stephanie, For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that you could then solo over until the cows came home. There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and more features, but the original RC-20 still has five full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely be picked up very reasonably used. Also available for the purposes you've described are the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly find that they don't sound very good and aren't as usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a lot sooner. Another option that you probably already own would be to use your computer's audio recording capability to record backing parts which you could then edit to loop nicely while you play over it. Good luck! -t- --- Stephanie Stemmler wrote: > I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar > blues and then hear > that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking > about cassette 4 track > recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect > pedals with loops. > > What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just > want a practice > tool---not a mega-recording station or something > like that. Thanks! > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 11:45:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QGeTZ04504; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:35:58 -0600 Subject: Re: basic loop equipment From: Stephanie Stemmler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050326134639.12575.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks so much! I've never used these forum boards before and it's a nice way to get information, for sure. I found info on Fostex MR-8 and something called a Boomerang--but prices are a consideration and don't want a whole lot of features for an old bat that's just trying to fulfill a lifelong dream to learn to play! > From: Tim Nelson > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:46:39 -0800 (PST) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:46:44 -0500 > > Hi Stephanie, > > For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be > quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level > looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but > what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price > range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a > I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that > you could then solo over until the cows came home. > > There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is > the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and > more features, but the original RC-20 still has five > full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely > be picked up very reasonably used. > > Also available for the purposes you've described are > the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine > Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly > find that they don't sound very good and aren't as > usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're > cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a > lot sooner. > > Another option that you probably already own would be > to use your computer's audio recording capability to > record backing parts which you could then edit to loop > nicely while you play over it. > > Good luck! > > -t- > > --- Stephanie Stemmler > wrote: >> I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar >> blues and then hear >> that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking >> about cassette 4 track >> recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect >> pedals with loops. >> >> What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just >> want a practice >> tool---not a mega-recording station or something >> like that. Thanks! >> >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 12:32:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QHSW012176; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:28:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:28:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:24:31 -0600 Subject: Re: basic loop equipment From: Stephanie Stemmler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050326134639.12575.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one other quick question, Tim. My son found something called a Tascam MF-PO1 digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom digital recorder. Are these types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. While I know you get what you pay for, if this is for practising for my son and me, would one of these suffice? I saw reviews that say cassettes should go by the wayside in favor of digital---but for practice (and not live performing) are they okay? > From: Tim Nelson > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:46:39 -0800 (PST) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:46:44 -0500 > > Hi Stephanie, > > For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be > quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level > looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but > what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price > range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a > I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that > you could then solo over until the cows came home. > > There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is > the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and > more features, but the original RC-20 still has five > full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely > be picked up very reasonably used. > > Also available for the purposes you've described are > the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine > Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly > find that they don't sound very good and aren't as > usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're > cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a > lot sooner. > > Another option that you probably already own would be > to use your computer's audio recording capability to > record backing parts which you could then edit to loop > nicely while you play over it. > > Good luck! > > -t- > > --- Stephanie Stemmler > wrote: >> I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar >> blues and then hear >> that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking >> about cassette 4 track >> recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect >> pedals with loops. >> >> What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just >> want a practice >> tool---not a mega-recording station or something >> like that. Thanks! >> >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 13:00:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QHvBM16502; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:57:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:57:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c5322d$26cc7da0$aef75651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: Subject: Re: basic loop equipment Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:56:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I think a basic 4 track recorder like a Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve your needs better than a looper. If all you are interested in at the moment is practice dont worry about analogue (cassette) vrs digital argument, it dosen't matter. Buy something you know you can understand and work, prefrebly cheap, and get playing, isnt that the whole purpose? Or maybe you play solos while you son plays 12 bar and then change round. Happy playing! Dan www.danmayfield.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.2 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 13:17:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QIDPc20093; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:13:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:13:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050326181259.42567.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just read a bit about a new product by M-Audio called the Black Box, which has amp simulators (so you can choose from a variety of sounds without spending thousands on amps and effects boxes), a simple drum machine with a bunch of built-in loops, and also a basic looping function. Looked pretty interesting for an all-in-one kind of solution. I think it's around $350. Mike --- Stephanie Stemmler wrote: > thanks so much! I've never used these forum boards > before and it's a nice > way to get information, for sure. I found info on > Fostex MR-8 and something > called a Boomerang--but prices are a consideration > and don't want a whole > lot of features for an old bat that's just trying to > fulfill a lifelong > dream to learn to play! > > > From: Tim Nelson > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:46:39 -0800 (PST) > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:46:44 -0500 > > > > Hi Stephanie, > > > > For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd > be > > quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an > entry-level > > looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, > but > > what sets it apart from the other loopers in its > price > > range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a > > I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song > that > > you could then solo over until the cows came home. > > > > There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest > one is > > the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory > and > > more features, but the original RC-20 still has > five > > full minutes of recording capacity and can most > likely > > be picked up very reasonably used. > > > > Also available for the purposes you've described > are > > the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine > > Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly > > find that they don't sound very good and aren't as > > usefull overall as something like the RC-20. > They're > > cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to > upgrade a > > lot sooner. > > > > Another option that you probably already own would > be > > to use your computer's audio recording capability > to > > record backing parts which you could then edit to > loop > > nicely while you play over it. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -t- > > > > --- Stephanie Stemmler > > > wrote: > >> I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 > bar > >> blues and then hear > >> that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking > >> about cassette 4 track > >> recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect > >> pedals with loops. > >> > >> What's the best way to do what I want to do? I > just > >> want a practice > >> tool---not a mega-recording station or something > >> like that. Thanks! > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 13:17:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QICul20005; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:12:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:12:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4245A66B.3090708@Hevanet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:14:03 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: basic loop equipment References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020809070602020004080203" Resent-Message-ID: <37nSQD.A.a3E.BYaRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020809070602020004080203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >I just want a practice >tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. > The great thing about looping vs. other recording is the instant ability to lay some backing down, and...zoom! you are playing melodies over the top. Like any tool, the quicker you can use it, the more likely you are to ...use it! It becomes rather transparent. Looping has done more for my practicing/playing than about anything I've ever used. So, if there's any choice between looper and recorder, I'd go with a looper. Another easy, basic looper is the Line6 DL4, but it only has 14 seconds (28 @ 1/2 speed). David Stephanie Stemmler wrote: >one other quick question, Tim. My son found something called a Tascam MF-PO1 >digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom digital recorder. Are these >types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. While I know you get what >you pay for, if this is for practising for my son and me, would one of these >suffice? I saw reviews that say cassettes should go by the wayside in favor >of digital---but for practice (and not live performing) are they okay? > > > --------------020809070602020004080203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I just want a practice
tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. 
The great thing about looping vs. other recording is the instant ability to lay some backing down, and...zoom! you are playing melodies over the top.  Like any tool, the quicker you can use it, the more likely you are to ...use it!  It becomes rather transparent.  Looping has done more for my practicing/playing than about anything I've ever used. 

So, if there's any choice between looper and recorder, I'd go with a looper. 

Another easy, basic looper is the Line6 DL4, but it only has 14 seconds (28 @ 1/2 speed).

David

Stephanie Stemmler wrote:
one other quick question, Tim. My son found something called a Tascam MF-PO1
digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom digital recorder. Are these
types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. While I know you get what
you pay for, if this is for practising for my son and me, would one of these
suffice?  I saw reviews that say cassettes should go by the wayside in favor
of digital---but for practice (and not live performing) are they okay?

  
--------------020809070602020004080203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 13:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QIaZF23770; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:36:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:36:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <196.3ba047ff.2f77058c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:35:56 EST Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_196.3ba047ff.2f77058c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_196.3ba047ff.2f77058c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/05 12:57:03 PM, contact@danmayfield.com writes: > I think a basic 4 track recorder like a Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve > your > needs better than a looper. > i disagree.....this is based on my understanding of "cassette" 4 trac, i don't know about a digi.....if you mess up on a tape you must rewind and erase and re-record, with even a basic looper you are a button push away from startng over, much simpler and faster imho.....and i know for myself an "old bat" also, that simpler and faster are the way to go.....michael --part1_196.3ba047ff.2f77058c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/26/05 12:57:03 PM, contact@danmayfield.com writes:


I think a basic 4 track r= ecorder like a Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve your
needs better than a looper.


i disagree.....this is based on my understanding of "cassette" 4 trac, i don= 't know about a digi.....if you mess up on a tape you must rewind and erase=20= and re-record, with even a basic looper you are a button push away from star= tng over, much simpler and faster imho.....and i know for myself an "old bat= " also, that simpler and faster are the way to go.....michael
--part1_196.3ba047ff.2f77058c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 14:38:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QJY5E00784; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:34:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:34:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ij+JE7cHgA5HizmyvaCGxZ97Gyf48vNYRW70bsVjTv5Aza4+phKC86pffjThgZgInfzaTuLH2o0Q+YRB1VZ2gDg5p9UyJ6gSR3urkgjvYq51Az005vUlp7ALSN8unJn2NFKJDVU+O2pqn78YXMymCZXuJXQj0tg/a8tMyDCSO5c= ; Message-ID: <20050326193220.39280.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7yp45C.A.C9H.KjbRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dan Mayfield wrote: > I think a basic 4 track recorder like a > Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve your > needs better than a looper. How so? The original post was a request for more information about pedal-based loopers for practicing lead lines over a repeating 12 bar pattern. She said nothing about wanting to overdub multiple tracks or keep a finished recording, and I would imagine she'd prefer to get the background pattern happening by playing it once without having to remove her fingers from the strings rather than filling the tape with 45 minutes of I-IV-V or rewinding at the end of every twelve bars. > Or maybe you > play solos while you son plays 12 bar and then > change round. There's a lot to be said in favor of THAT too! :) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 14:50:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QJmAb02626; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:48:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:48:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NG0tPCHN1giZE5NtoWDgR0s3JRYf1Uq2EL9ekZfSU6WfAVJHpWyewRcNQH8A/tuderxC7XTSitDPu2a27m9LjKfR1GL+xX8MaH02+KRnTvY+izAMVvm7eX0xx+gmuhfNRjAJaxJpg19BMT3n7lhS26cdVkkjaagpj/9sYWDk8kw= ; Message-ID: <20050326194735.90624.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:47:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, we're sort of comparing apples and oranges here. ANY of them could be used as a practice tool. To simply play back a track along with which you can play lead lines, you don't even need a four track; ANY sort of recording device (mono, stereo, cassette, digital, whatever) will work. But the reason I suggested the RC-20 is that it's extremely convenient to be able to do it all with your feet, and the time capacity is greater than other looping devices in its price range. -t- ps: the Tascam MF-P01 is not digital; it's a very basic analog 4-track. It'd work just fine, except you'd have to be hitting that rewind button an awful lot to use it to practice over. I'd think of it more as a songwriter's tool: it'd be a great, low-cost way to play the chords of a song, then overdub a vocal, a bass line, etc. until you've filled up your four passes. But for practicing over a repeating pattern (such as a 12-bar blues), I stand by my original advice. --- Stephanie Stemmler wrote: > one other quick question, Tim. My son found > something called a Tascam MF-PO1 > digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom > digital recorder. Are these > types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. > While I know you get what > you pay for, if this is for practising for my son > and me, would one of these > suffice? I saw reviews that say cassettes should go > by the wayside in favor > of digital---but for practice (and not live > performing) are they okay? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 16:44:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QL5Hr17159; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:05:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:05:54 -0600 Subject: Re: basic loop equipment From: Stephanie Stemmler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050326193220.39280.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this information is great! I asked about the pedal-loopers because I saw one in action for about $400--it was being demonstrated so the store was pushing to sell. ...but that's just over the top for me but it intrigued me because of what it did. So here's the full rundown of why I'm looking for something. My guitar teacher said both my son and I would be more comfortable playing improv over simple chord tracks if we did it at home...so we started practising with a regular tape recorder. Yes, we do play together every once in awhile--but he's into different music :) SO--Then I went to a nearby Guitar Center and they showed me the 4-track digital recorder by Tascam. Interesting and easy to work-but as i saw all the reviews that you couldn't really hear the first track recording when trying to play over it (You had to record mega loud)--my teacher said to look at digital recorders, loopers and phrase samplers in the lower end price range--Ah--I'm getting at least the lingo. Here's what we (I) want it for. We want to lay down a track (or two) --for example with Blues: I want to record a running length of 12-bar blues and then loop that so I can attempt to practice some fingering over that--I want the looping capability so I don't have to stop and rewind a tape (which is what we do right now). I don't want to record for 45 minutes on a regular tape--which is why I want some sort of repeater/loop. Not looking for tons of effects---maybe my son at a later date (but then I'd buy something better....but for now, it's just an opportunity for us to each practice/jam by ourselves and have some fun thinking we sound decent! For current equipment, we have a Fender electric and an Ovation acoustic/electric ---both at this time using the same large amp meant for acoustic guitars. Does this help clarify? I don't object to paying more---I just don't think I need a recording studio or want to spend a whole lot of money for something I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to operate-that's what I'm looking for. So far-saw reviews for Tascam, Zoom, Boss, Bommerrang, some Axe pedal thing--but it's all greek to me. I don't really live near a great music store so this would be something I'd have to buy untested, unless the consensus is for that Guitar Center Tascam cassette recorder. So---any and all advice welcomed--I appreciate it all! > From: Tim Nelson > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:32:20 -0800 (PST) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:32:26 -0500 > > > --- Dan Mayfield wrote: >> I think a basic 4 track recorder like a >> Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve your >> needs better than a looper. > > How so? The original post was a request for more > information about pedal-based loopers for practicing > lead lines over a repeating 12 bar pattern. She said > nothing about wanting to overdub multiple tracks or > keep a finished recording, and I would imagine she'd > prefer to get the background pattern happening by > playing it once without having to remove her fingers > from the strings rather than filling the tape with 45 > minutes of I-IV-V or rewinding at the end of every > twelve bars. > >> Or maybe you >> play solos while you son plays 12 bar and then >> change round. > > There's a lot to be said in favor of THAT too! :) > > -t- > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 18:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QNUiZ07694; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:30:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PB5HKdHrv1oGN+bCOGQUwooe+AI3wU1mdudSMZz+U0zkpgh+1kgLb02d6UbpTFkPhoCteP1zpefjsCACu+9TGtlR8gNdbABxsrLU58EWpqRpThtLlcS6er0+21OXEn/2KTlReP3CtvPc3ttDz9qflMOphT7uV1THTHYS/5hTmXU= ; Message-ID: <20050326233005.17843.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:30:05 -0800 (PST) From: Devin Smith Subject: re: USB audio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1517210031-1111879805=:17199" Resent-Message-ID: <8-YvRB.A.R3B.DCfRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1517210031-1111879805=:17199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I finally tamed my USB interface problems somewhat. I upgraded to 512 megs of ram, installed the "ASIO4all" driver, and turned the latency setting all the way up on the ASIO4all control panel, and am now getting almost no dropouts/glitches in the audio stream. Still getting occasional glitching, maybe once every 3-4 minutes. I've tried monitoring my data usage using Task Manager, but it doesn't seem that the glitches coincide with any spikes in memory usage. Upgrading the driver seemed to help the most, thanks to the person who posted about it. I've read and implemented most of the stuff I've found about optimizing XP for audio, and my computer is booting and running much faster, but I still can't seem to get rid of the last bit of dropout. Any thoughts where it might be coming from if not the memory getting overloaded? Once I get it to actually play a wav file smoothly, maybe I can actually start using it with some bonafide music software. I'd really like to setup a software sampler that is triggered by midi keyboard, and perhaps some software sequencing of my Alesis Micron as well. -Devin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1517210031-1111879805=:17199 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, I finally tamed my USB interface problems somewhat. I upgraded to 512 megs of ram, installed the "ASIO4all" driver, and turned the latency setting all the way up on the ASIO4all control panel, and am now getting almost no dropouts/glitches in the audio stream.
Still getting occasional glitching, maybe once every 3-4 minutes. I've tried monitoring my data usage using Task Manager, but it doesn't seem that the glitches coincide with any spikes in memory usage. Upgrading the driver seemed to help the most, thanks to the person who posted about it. I've read and implemented most of the stuff I've found about optimizing XP for audio, and my computer is booting and running much faster, but I still can't seem to get rid of the last bit of dropout. Any thoughts where it might be coming from if not the memory getting overloaded?
Once I get it to actually play a wav file smoothly, maybe I can actually start using it with some bonafide music software. I'd really like to setup a software sampler that is triggered by midi keyboard, and perhaps some software sequencing of my Alesis Micron as well.
-Devin
 

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1517210031-1111879805=:17199-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 18:41:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2QNbr008753; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:37:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:37:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.665d90c9.2f774c1e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:37:02 EST Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2cEWnB.A.xHC.vIfRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com writes: << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to operate-that's what I'm looking for. >> Hi I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal. Simple, easy, and rugged. Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing loop. If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again, if you do like you can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words, fun! Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried within utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access. I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in my area for $200-$250. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 20:02:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2R0vaH21453; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:57:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:57:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "OpBeachGuy" To: References: <20050325225636.KFOL22013.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> <424546B0.4090607@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Update Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 (and Cool Edit) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:55:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2005 00:56:01.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF212D50:01C53267] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just started trying to loop MP3's. Either way I always use either Cool Edit Pro or Sound Forge. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Update Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 (and Cool Edit) > That silence in the ends of mp3 files is common. I guess it's built into > the mp3 format. I've cursed my mp3-player a bunch of times because it > won't play the transitions between tracks properly, most likely due to > this very issue. And don't get me started on loop libraries in mp3-format, > yikes! Up until now I've used a batch editor to remove the silence from > mp3s when converting them to .wavs. > > -btw, which program do you use to loop your mp3s? Traktor? > > Best, > Andreas > > > OpBeachGuy wrote:-------------------------------- > >> I made a discovery. The problem I have described only occurs when >> editing and looping MP3 files. The WAV files I edit are saved exactly as >> I edit them. I sometimes prefer to use MP3 files due to better file >> compression. So can someone figure out why this is happening only to my >> MP3 edits? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 20:41:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2R1aYh27330; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:36:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.3966cfce.2f7767be@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:34:54 EST Subject: Re: USB audio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/26/05 3:30:42 PM, dvidedevo@yahoo.com writes: << Still getting occasional glitching, maybe once every 3-4 minutes. >> And all you are doing is playing a .wav file? No other processes going on? Then you shouldn't need anymore RAM I would think. Sorry I don't know Windows, but for the Mac equivalent I would make sure Virtual Memory (a memory saver) is turned off, and turn off any unnecessary program such as internet connection/mail/browsers, sleep settings and energy savers, network devices such as printers etc. Check your audio preferences and increase buffer size. What cycles at 3-4 minutes? Refrigerators? Anyway, external sources of interference are worth considering. I don't remember what your host program is but it is sometimes worth trying different programs and rule out software issues. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 20:44:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2R1f0l27938; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:41:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:41:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503270140.j2R1ecx27885@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Beta 9 w/Redo Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:40:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200503251701.j2PH1bx17527@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUxWtiPJkmjq3vFRyeEbulTYUAX8gAAFL3wAESUJTA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.zonemobius.com/ with ** Redo ** function, very cool... Direct link: http://www.zonemobius.com/mobius-beta9.exe http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 21:08:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2R23wR31454; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:03:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:03:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: basic loop equipment Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:03:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5b.665d90c9.2f774c1e@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally made my decision and sold my RC-20 and went with the boomerang. For simplicity it's much easier than the RC-20 and also it's tons better live. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > > > > In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, > sstemmler@above-the-fold.com writes: > > << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's > something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to > operate-that's what I'm looking for. >> > > Hi > > I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal. > > Simple, easy, and rugged. > Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts > playing loop. > If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again, if you > do like you > can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an > existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in > other words, fun! > > Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is > buried within > utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access. > > I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music > stores in my > area for $200-$250. > > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 22:29:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2R3PoU09983; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:25:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:25:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: basic loop equipment Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:24:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5b.665d90c9.2f774c1e@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcUyXRB+YR9dxV0ySf+FhyVosAwVJwAHr/3g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050327032451.MZJK4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <_9QXt.A.gZC.ZeiRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My vote goes for the RC too-- You can save your loops if you like them--up to ten phrases. And, after you save them, you can speed them up--so as you improve, you can make yourself try harder! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: basic loop equipment In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com writes: << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to operate-that's what I'm looking for. >> Hi I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal. Simple, easy, and rugged. Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing loop. If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again, if you do like you can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words, fun! Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried within utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access. I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in my area for $200-$250. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 26 22:30:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2R3RG210163; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:27:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:27:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.399cff55.2f7781d1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:26:09 EST Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <7waWk.A.LdC.bfiRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/26/05 6:03:44 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: << I finally made my decision and sold my RC-20 and went with the boomerang. For simplicity it's much easier than the RC-20 and also it's tons better live. >> I would agree that the 'rang is a better performance tool. I think the RC-20 is a better practice and composition tool. imho BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 04:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2R9P9H27785; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "Chuck Scholtz" To: References: <20050326134639.12575.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: basic loop equipment Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:20:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2005 09:23:39.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[A902ABB0:01C532AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would you consider the looping equipment everyone has been talking about including the Sabine Backtrack to be "seamless" loopers? I assume the RC-20 and Boomarang are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:46 PM Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > Hi Stephanie, > > For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be > quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level > looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but > what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price > range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a > I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that > you could then solo over until the cows came home. > > There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is > the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and > more features, but the original RC-20 still has five > full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely > be picked up very reasonably used. > > Also available for the purposes you've described are > the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine > Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly > find that they don't sound very good and aren't as > usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're > cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a > lot sooner. > > Another option that you probably already own would be > to use your computer's audio recording capability to > record backing parts which you could then edit to loop > nicely while you play over it. > > Good luck! > > -t- > > --- Stephanie Stemmler > wrote: > > I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar > > blues and then hear > > that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking > > about cassette 4 track > > recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect > > pedals with loops. > > > > What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just > > want a practice > > tool---not a mega-recording station or something > > like that. Thanks! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 09:06:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RE2mQ10362; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:02:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:02:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503271402.j2RE2Dx10186@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=O2CJFKtNP6Y4IRQDrDQkpC5FfA0OK9CTeRavSNn1lI6txK8nj5X0keclP9MRIUJR; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Stephanie Stemmler'" , Subject: RE: basic loop equipment Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:02:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUy0QEY0L3ykFfASuqqqtady4GSoQAApx9Q X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcb01c88dd1ed7443f94e723f9bb041172350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.164.204.247 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello and welcome! I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy to use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control. Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available. Click here for more: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/ Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, too. Now I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming... Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: basic loop equipment I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then hear that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking about cassette 4 track recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops. What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 09:13:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2REA9W11657; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050327145717.02b43a90@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:09:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Re: Mobius Beta 8 Available In-Reply-To: <200503251603.j2PG3Vu04426@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503251603.j2PG3Vu04426@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Alan, >I was particularly fond of stutter mode myself found it very useful. >Right now getting scripting seems to have become a higher priority and some >alternate endings aren't working exactly like an EDP. Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius Stutters? >Why not signup and nudge Jeff on some of these feature or better yet push >the envelope a little that seems to be something you manage to do pretty >well Andy :) It could only serve to make Mobius better yet Well, I don't have the right hardware to run Mobius. I ended up not doing a lot of music-looping while I was involved with the Loop4 Beta testing, now I'd rather play. I'm sure Jeff & Co. are getting along just fine. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 10:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RFfhp23418; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:41:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:41:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503271541.j2RFfIx23358@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: RE: Re: Mobius Beta 8 Available Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:41:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20050327145717.02b43a90@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcUy1tUgcYgHA/d2Rl6CICFStb2RuwAC42eg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably when all issue around scripts are sorted out right now Jeff is working on keeping the script language highly optimized (got to do everything to prevent latency being increased) I found one script wouldn't work right as the function I called wasn't synchronous but, this too will be resolved. Well I can't blame you about not wanting to get involved in testing but, I am having a blast as we just got the Redo function in Beta 9. Perhaps in the future you become enticed into involvement. -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:RE: Re: Mobius Beta 8 Available hi Alan, >I was particularly fond of stutter mode myself found it very useful. >Right now getting scripting seems to have become a higher priority and >some alternate endings aren't working exactly like an EDP. Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius Stutters? >Why not signup and nudge Jeff on some of these feature or better yet >push the envelope a little that seems to be something you manage to do >pretty well Andy :) It could only serve to make Mobius better yet Well, I don't have the right hardware to run Mobius. I ended up not doing a lot of music-looping while I was involved with the Loop4 Beta testing, now I'd rather play. I'm sure Jeff & Co. are getting along just fine. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 10:59:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RFu1L25216; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:55:44 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius Stutter In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20050327145717.02b43a90@pop.tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4246D780.3050808@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200503251603.j2PG3Vu04426@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050327145717.02b43a90@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius > Stutters? If we're talking about Loop/Delay=Stu, I don't think it is possible to do this exactly using scripts. You can chop out a cycle to stutter with: Wait cycle Multiply Wait cycle Record then Undo back to the original loop. But there isn't a way to permanently insert the stuttered cycles into the original loop. An interesting feature. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 11:50:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RGkwB01434; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:46:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:46:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503271645.j2RGjKx01266@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mobius Stutter Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:45:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <4246D780.3050808@sun.com> Thread-Index: AcUy5aEA4MrPd/TuQ4mjGThjn1hnPwABmu9A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An intersting script idea to try out I will try it out later on and let you know how it goes Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Stutter > Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius > Stutters? If we're talking about Loop/Delay=Stu, I don't think it is possible to do this exactly using scripts. You can chop out a cycle to stutter with: Wait cycle Multiply Wait cycle Record then Undo back to the original loop. But there isn't a way to permanently insert the stuttered cycles into the original loop. An interesting feature. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 12:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RHFxi06860; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:15:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:15:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:15:46 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time) From: Dylan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: soft loopers In-Reply-To: <200503271645.j2RGjKx01266@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-ID: References: <200503271645.j2RGjKx01266@hemlock.violacea.com> X-X-Sender: dmenzies@mail-vip.cc.nd.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-ND-MTA-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:15:35 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find anything concrete. I've made some software looping effects before, but I'd like something really plush. It seems delay effects are just about the only thing that can work well as live effects on a computer because of latency. If I can't find anything that really fits the bill, I will likely go ahead and design something. Thanks, Dylan (ps we are playing at the empty bottle in chicago next month- squirm) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 12:27:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RHMbr07941; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Originating-Email: [opbeachguy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: opbeachguy@hotmail.com From: "Chuck Scholtz" To: References: <20050326194735.90624.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: basic loop equipment Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:19:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2005 17:21:59.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B7ACE00:01C532F1] Resent-Message-ID: <0UQhTB.A.96B.9uuRCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Tascam, does anyone have hands-on experience with their other lines of guitar trainers? I think like this one best (see link) because it offers bass-boost capability. There are four models in all but the features seem to be quite close. The one that removes vocals is priced at $99, and the other three are all listed at $149 USD. Can someone tell me if their statement about "seamless looping" really means just that because the effect I want is as if I am looping them with my PC software Sound Forge. I have recorded a few loops and saved them as .WAV files and carefully edited them so there are perfect zero-crossings, and then converted them to a .CDA file extension with Windows Media Player so I could use them with my CD player (or the Tascam) if it will actually loop like my software does? Does it do this through memory buffering or how? http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/prodoptions.php?id=10587 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > Well, we're sort of comparing apples and oranges here. > ANY of them could be used as a practice tool. To > simply play back a track along with which you can play > lead lines, you don't even need a four track; ANY sort > of recording device (mono, stereo, cassette, digital, > whatever) will work. But the reason I suggested the > RC-20 is that it's extremely convenient to be able to > do it all with your feet, and the time capacity is > greater than other looping devices in its price range. > > -t- > > ps: the Tascam MF-P01 is not digital; it's a very > basic analog 4-track. It'd work just fine, except > you'd have to be hitting that rewind button an awful > lot to use it to practice over. I'd think of it more > as a songwriter's tool: it'd be a great, low-cost way > to play the chords of a song, then overdub a vocal, a > bass line, etc. until you've filled up your four > passes. But for practicing over a repeating pattern > (such as a 12-bar blues), I stand by my original > advice. > > > --- Stephanie Stemmler > wrote: > > one other quick question, Tim. My son found > > something called a Tascam MF-PO1 > > digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom > > digital recorder. Are these > > types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. > > While I know you get what > > you pay for, if this is for practising for my son > > and me, would one of these > > suffice? I saw reviews that say cassettes should go > > by the wayside in favor > > of digital---but for practice (and not live > > performing) are they okay? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 12:58:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RHrUG12089; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:53:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:53:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:53:06 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: basic loop equipment In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4246F302.3040000@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050326194735.90624.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chuck Scholtz wrote: > Speaking of Tascam, does anyone have hands-on experience with their other > lines of guitar trainers? I think like this one best (see link) because it > offers bass-boost capability. There are four models in all but the features > seem to be quite close. The one that removes vocals is priced at $99, and > the other three are all listed at $149 USD. I have the GT1 "guitar" trainer. It's basically just a CD player with an A-B loop option and pitch control. Press the loop button when you want to start the loop, press it again to end and start looping, press again to resume normal playback. I'm not sure how they do looping, but most do it just by moving the laser, not with memory buffering. I get a noticeable click at the front of the loop so they're obviously not doing anything fancy with zero-crossings or cross fades. I've got 10 year old CD players that do looping better. The pitch shifting is pretty good to my ear, no weird artifacts, but it only goes down. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 13:00:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RHuil12750; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:56:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:56:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ngqnw2GHzEVXfHhXPImpwIVaCE04upzvC2tZUwkQaP/UZZYcI3D4ynqiAc9eMRqPfgscW+SsE+EHmai522dUfxTRb8DXdw5q9yQLohVGy018qLmb0qoTmdRW5Wwh/HMhsw5qWeo7NQ7lvjqVVfclHo3vjE0ai84cIZ4Oo5AfIuI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0503270956548935a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:56:12 -0800 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: soft loopers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200503271645.j2RGjKx01266@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, There was a list of plug-ins posted on the list recently. Check kvraudio.com for angstrolooper, loopy lama, and elottronixXL, some great free relatively straight-forward windows VST loopers. On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:15:46 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time), Dylan wrote: > > > Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic > instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a > computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using > footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there > in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find > anything concrete. I've made some software looping effects before, but I'd > like something really plush. It seems delay effects are just about the > only thing that can work well as live effects on a computer because of > latency. If I can't find anything that really fits the bill, I will > likely go ahead and design something. > > Thanks, > > Dylan > > (ps we are playing at the empty bottle in chicago next month- squirm) > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 13:04:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RI1F815021; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:01:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:01:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:00:51 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: soft loopers In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4246F4D3.1000808@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200503271645.j2RGjKx01266@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dylan wrote: > > Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic > instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a > computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using > footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there > in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find > anything concrete. Browse the March archives, this has been discussed a lot recently. Here's a great summary of the available tools: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html And while you're there, don't miss the underwater latency thread. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 15:03:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RJxpC07475; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:59:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:59:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:58:08 -0500 Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <030720051912.28436.422CA7B40003792D00006F1421979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My current rig consists of Ableton Live, Max/Msp or Logic routing to a pair of echoplexes and back through a mobile I/O or traveler, with occasionally an extra channel -- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn routing to and from an Eventide Orville for pitchshifting. After using both logic and live, I still return to live for incredible ease of use with effects and soundclip playing. I have never been able to really seamlessly use augustus loop or live itself for looping, thus still my echoplex dedication. But I can say that live has become the standard for me both in 2 channel and surround, and I'm thrilled to pieces to have it. Just beginning to look at operator as a possibility as well. If I could just have one lesson with Per on live, perhaps things would be just perfect... todd (although the eventide has always been the best sounding effects unit on the market in my book, it's also proven to be the least stable and most problematic piece in my rig, so I don't use it much anymore. In fact it's the only unit which has gone down three times in live performance for no perceivable reason, rendering me completely useless. Even after sending in for service no problems have been found. Frustrated? Yes.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 15:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RJxbe07433; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:59:07 -0500 Subject: Re: All-Laptop live? Sorry for sig file on previous post. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <030720051912.28436.422CA7B40003792D00006F1421979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My current rig consists of Ableton Live, Max/Msp or Logic routing to a pair of echoplexes and back through a mobile I/O or traveler, with occasionally an extra channel routing to and from an Eventide Orville for pitchshifting. After using both logic and live, I still return to live for incredible ease of use with effects and soundclip playing. I have never been able to really seamlessly use augustus loop or live itself for looping, thus still my echoplex dedication. But I can say that live has become the standard for me both in 2 channel and surround, and I'm thrilled to pieces to have it. Just beginning to look at operator as a possibility as well. If I could just have one lesson with Per on live, perhaps things would be just perfect... todd (although the eventide has always been the best sounding effects unit on the market in my book, it's also proven to be the least stable and most problematic piece in my rig, so I don't use it much anymore. In fact it's the only unit which has gone down three times in live performance for no perceivable reason, rendering me completely useless. Even after sending in for service no problems have been found. Frustrated? Yes.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 17:18:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RMEtt30794; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:10:48 -0600 Subject: Re: basic loop equipment From: Stephanie Stemmler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you to everyone who responded to my newbie question about looping. Your willingness to assist with advice was wonderful! Based upon all feedback, the overall consensus looked to be that the Boss RC-20 or 20XL is what we need to take our practicing to the next level, so I'm starting the search for that. Thanks again to all of you--happy playing! > From: "Chuck Scholtz" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:19:02 +0200 > To: > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:22:05 -0500 > > Speaking of Tascam, does anyone have hands-on experience with their other > lines of guitar trainers? I think like this one best (see link) because it > offers bass-boost capability. There are four models in all but the features > seem to be quite close. The one that removes vocals is priced at $99, and > the other three are all listed at $149 USD. > > Can someone tell me if their statement about "seamless looping" really means > just that because the effect I want is as if I am looping them with my PC > software Sound Forge. I have recorded a few loops and saved them as .WAV > files and carefully edited them so there are perfect zero-crossings, and > then converted them to a .CDA file extension with Windows Media Player so I > could use them with my CD player (or the Tascam) if it will actually loop > like my software does? Does it do this through memory buffering or how? > > http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/prodoptions.php?id=10587 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > > >> Well, we're sort of comparing apples and oranges here. >> ANY of them could be used as a practice tool. To >> simply play back a track along with which you can play >> lead lines, you don't even need a four track; ANY sort >> of recording device (mono, stereo, cassette, digital, >> whatever) will work. But the reason I suggested the >> RC-20 is that it's extremely convenient to be able to >> do it all with your feet, and the time capacity is >> greater than other looping devices in its price range. >> >> -t- >> >> ps: the Tascam MF-P01 is not digital; it's a very >> basic analog 4-track. It'd work just fine, except >> you'd have to be hitting that rewind button an awful >> lot to use it to practice over. I'd think of it more >> as a songwriter's tool: it'd be a great, low-cost way >> to play the chords of a song, then overdub a vocal, a >> bass line, etc. until you've filled up your four >> passes. But for practicing over a repeating pattern >> (such as a 12-bar blues), I stand by my original >> advice. >> >> >> --- Stephanie Stemmler >> wrote: >>> one other quick question, Tim. My son found >>> something called a Tascam MF-PO1 >>> digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom >>> digital recorder. Are these >>> types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. >>> While I know you get what >>> you pay for, if this is for practising for my son >>> and me, would one of these >>> suffice? I saw reviews that say cassettes should go >>> by the wayside in favor >>> of digital---but for practice (and not live >>> performing) are they okay? >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 17:26:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2RMNQr32611; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:22:10 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time) From: Dylan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: soft loopers In-Reply-To: <4246F4D3.1000808@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <200503271645.j2RGjKx01266@hemlock.violacea.com> <4246F4D3.1000808@sun.com> X-X-Sender: dmenzies@mail-vip.cc.nd.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-ND-MTA-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:21:58 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info, very helpful. Dylan On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Jeff Larson wrote: > Dylan wrote: > > > > Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic > > instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a > > computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using > > footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there > > in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find > > anything concrete. > > Browse the March archives, this has been discussed a lot recently. > Here's a great summary of the available tools: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html > > And while you're there, don't miss the underwater latency thread. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 27 22:11:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2S384609916; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:08:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:08:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AJJAcfck5Nq53DlovqVpW9ePj5Ym3QV3f39sR1wvsT1jTsTWjq31q3lDocds9hYTIJEKRXoUicNK0oeNZJ0rGeYj7cGGxo6SRAey85uDUoGzu8/TXhVl9Jq+EPxgxbCa8MxSB+/9IEJhIBt/ewVXRV+jabVfOYGPNeXBcxDEOpg= ; Message-ID: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:06:23 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: small digital recorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio system. I like the small size and the 24/96 capability. I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I find it rising...and rising. --New PDA $450-650 --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only) --PDA recording software $50 --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my case) --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo mic....$150-? .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other choices....perhaps even a laptop? Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment books, etc). I guess these are questions I need to decide for myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz? Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD burner available? ....I'm so confused. =RANDY= --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote: > >I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. > > > >The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. > > > >There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo > >desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase > >SL)on there...but I don't have room for that > >equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall > >outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea > creature > >under my desk.) > > > Or you could try the PDAudio from > http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't > seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's > has been great. > > > Edwin > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > Services > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 00:15:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2S5BqU31368; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:11:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:11:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c532f0$53f78f40$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Canadian Electronic Ensemble Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:13:42 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Wednesday March 30th - Canadian Electronic Ensemble Since 1972, the Canadian Electronic Ensemble has been working to present the latest technology and techniques in live electronic music. Combining composition and improvisation with this technology, the five-member CEE will present a ravishing evening filled with before-unheard sounds, juxtaposed and combined in unexpected ways. The evening will feature several improvisations and collectively composed works, and a new work by ensemble member Michael Dobinson. The CEE are Jim Montgomery, Rose Bolton, Larry Lake, Michael Dobinson, Dave Jaeger http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/cee.htm Between Sets CD - "NuuK" by Thomas Köner This sparce 1995 album of gongs, electronics and treatments by German media artist Köner first appeared in the "Driftworks" 4 CD set & has been recently re-released by MillePlateaux as a CD+DVD. http://www.koener.de . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Wed. April 6th - Söftware with Toastybird Visuals http://www.techno-jazz.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On Wednesday, March 23, 2005, Worthy Records presented the second of three showcase concerts at the PiNG with the launch of 3 new CDs by The Devil in the Design, The Lonely Flight and Weird State Inbetween. Phil Ogison, aka The Devil in the Design, began the evening with two pieces based on music from his new CD, "Cloudface," and a third piece of pure improvisation. Supported by General Chaos' stunning cloud-inspired visuals, Phil's set drifted from one lovely piece to another, carrying the audience on its own devilishly delightful Sonic Way. Menno Krant, one of my favorite Toronto artists, created the cover art for "Cloudface" and was in attendance to autograph CDs. Scott Johnson continued the floating, drifting feel, as he opened the second set with densely treated instumentals which followed a flight plan similar to the new CD from his The Lonely Flight project. After 20 minutes Scott was joined by Anne Sulikowski, his partner in Weird State Inbetween, on synthesizer and treated voice plus their special guest D.J.Pain on feedback-looped effects pedals and things definitely got wierder as they plunged into sonic chaos. Pain's high-frequency distortion encouraged a noise freak-out which left the audience in a suitably wierd state. More information about this evening's sound artists is available at: http://www.worthyrecords.com and info about visual artist Menno Krant at: www.pteros.com Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "PASSAGE" by dreamSTATE Fans of Toronto electronic artists dreamSTATE will no doubt be thrilled by the release of "Passage", a series of soundscapes specially created for an installation held in Goderich, Ontario. Inspired by the poetry of Lynn Harrigan from her collection "Moon Sea Crossing", "Passage" tells the story of Aina, an Irish immigrant who settles in Huron District during the 1840s. Her life during this time is filled with hardship and turmoil, ultimately resulting in a mental breakdown which leads to her being confined in the Huron District Gaol where her mental state further declines. Through a masterful creation of sound and environment, dreamSTATE is able to draw the listener into Aina's plight and brings her story to life in a powerful and haunting manner. Meant to capture Aina's journey across the sea from Ireland to Canada, "Crossing" begins the album with slowly evolving oblique movement, environments and atmospheres coming into shape as tones become more pronounced and defined. As the track progresses, movement becomes displacement as calm and tranquil passages give way to darker and more forboding tones. When listening to this track one can't help but feel a passing from the safety of the known into the darkness of unsurety as Aina faces a new land and a new life. Track two, "Clearing", uses more easily defined melodies and structure to tell its tale. The feeling of industry and hard labor as Aina and her family work to create a home for themselves is captured in the repeated phrases of the track, played counter to field recordings taken from the site of Aina and Thomas' farm. A sense of form gives a sense of safety here, a sense of connection to the earth, to the land, but an underlying dark drone suggests there are issues already at hand which will culminate in Aina's decline. "Watershed" represents a turning point in the story, bringing to life a moment that ultimately leads to Aina's descent into darkness. Beginning with a calm and tranquil flow of pads and tones, the track moves from a peaceful security into a darker and more ominous tone, leading into track four, "Fall", which continues the sense of descent, sounds capturing the change of seasons, the slow loss of warmth and safety that leads into the winter months. Tones roil around each other, spinning and coliding through the sound field, as if to suggest the confusion of thought and the battling emotions that have come with her breakdown. As the piece progresses, deeper drones open up, at first only subtly but slowly gaining strength, suggesting the abyss into which Aina is staring. "Captive" captures the cold and hopeless feeling of Aina's stay in gaol, where the demons that haunt her mind are made physical through the horrible conditions she is made to bear. Bleak & desperate drones pass throughout the track, metallic sounds rising and falling, ebbing and flowing, slowly circling to match her descent. "Captive" manages to convey the sense of desperation and hopelessness Aina feels at this point, giving frightful sound to her torment. Track six, "Stone and Sky" brings some sense of hope and light to Aina's plight. Inspired by the courtyard of the gaol in which she finds herself, the track captures the freedom and light that Aina's heart aspires to. Unfortunately this hope is shortlived as it leads into "Gyre", a haunting piece where strangled tones and constrained notes struggle to be heard above a metallic drone slowly snaking from ear to ear of the listener. Bleak and without hope, this track captures the darkness that has washed over Aina's mind. And then it is done. "Watershed Reprise" finds Aina's return to her home, utilizing a return to the same calm and tranquil pads and tones to suggest a reunion with her family and the safety of clear thought. The clouds have lifted and she finds herself free once again, in body and in spirit. As brilliant as it is emotional, "Passage" is a beautiful work by one of Toronto's premier electronic acts. Many lesser talents would find themselves lost in such a dark subject matter, but dreamSTATE are able to convey the scene, the situation and the emotions felt in a succinct & powerful way. A testimony to their sophistication and artistry, "Passage" is sure to become a classic of the genre. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 06:36:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SBVMs29800; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:31:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:31:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050328103940.02b0e740@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:57:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Mobius Stutter In-Reply-To: <200503272226.j2RMQvF01452@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200503272226.j2RMQvF01452@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 23:26 27/03/05, you wrote: > > Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius > > Stutters? > >If we're talking about Loop/Delay=Stu, I don't think it is possible >to do this exactly using scripts. You can chop out a cycle to stutter >with: > > Wait cycle > Multiply > Wait cycle > Record > >then Undo back to the original loop. But there isn't a way to permanently >insert the stuttered cycles into the original loop. An interesting feature. > >Jeff The EDP Stutter probably isn't the best way to do a stutter. It just happened that by messing with the Interface Mode tables we were able to get that effect. So it was a "free" feature in terms of system resource and programming. As far as I know, it's all the same code as for Insert, whether you "Insert" the new stutters into the loop or press Undo and go back to the loop( at the same time position in the loop as if you hadn't done the stutters) I imagine there could be similar ways of getting free features out of the Mobius code. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 09:31:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SERtq26287; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:25:05 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Aptrev@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008401c533a2$70603940$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5b.665d90c9.2f774c1e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9ZeQS.A.eZG.HRBSCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd vote for the RC-20 too. Simple, easy, rugged, and small - you can probably fit it in your gig bag with a couple of cables. Plug your guitar into the RC-20, plug the RC-20 into your amp. Then press one pedal with your foot to record, press again to stop, and - if I remember correctly and if I'm reading the various user comments correctly - it immediately begins to play back. There will be a very small learning curve to do this much, which will fulfill your needs for a looped accompaniment, and then you can get into all the other cool things it does, bit by bit, day by day, week by week. At my guitar instruction studio, one of my instructors uses the RC-20 between students, and he rapidly lays down chord progressions and single-note lines for practice and study. When I walk past his room, it is a stone gas to hear songs being born on the spot, and brilliant lead lines played atop clever progressions. Be warned: you might have the uncomfortable realization that your sense of rhythm is not yet adequate. If you speed up from the beginning of your loop to the end, it will be obvious (and the built-in metronome will help with that). And if you don't press the pedal at precisely the right point, there will be a herky-jerky feel between repetitions (although the "quantize" function will help with that). But this is part of the beauty of using any looping or long delay device - they function wonderfully as "instant feedback tools" that allow you to live with your actions - over and over again! Instant karma indeed! Your dharma is to improve, and the quality of your work will spread into all aspects of your playing. So I'd vote for the RC-20. Be sure to click on http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html to read Loopers Delight reviews of the RC-20 and to link to other reviews as well. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com writes: > > << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's > something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to > operate-that's what I'm looking for. >> > > Hi > > I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal. > > Simple, easy, and rugged. > Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing loop. > If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again, if you do like you > can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an > existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words, fun! > > Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried within > utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access. > > I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in my > area for $200-$250. > > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 09:45:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SEfAn28565; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050328144031.87613.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Line 6 DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Aptrev@aol.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just doing some light reading on the DL4. Is the max loop time 14 seconds? Just making sure I read that right. Does one find that loop time to be somewhat limiting? I like that you can use delay and the looper simultaneously. Looks like it's a nice basic looper, and also since I play in various bands that won't use looping, I like all of the delay modes that I COULD use in those situations. Always just wondering how I can squander - er, INVEST - more money... ;) Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 09:52:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SEkup29438; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:46:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DJ+JI0Er0PcE9LCJGvZ5eNrT8URn7oKbtrvwi7pEWNRXFcGaeZ/C8mvJY67y/jVamyvxmuZKYFXAGQRZsqCVNr9cGAkduZaf9N1sNjvhd/tffwav3HYraKUOqhRjI1UwONrzfQaebyS/yfP9pUhBd0wXtUcy1TYwEu1vWynybq8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:46:13 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 In-Reply-To: <20050328144031.87613.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050328144031.87613.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 14 seconds in "full-speed" mode, 28 seconds in half-speed. I do a ton of looping with loops around 4/8/12 seconds, but if you're wanting to put a whole verse or chorus structure into a loop that doesn't repeat quickly, then yes, it's limiting. In my opinion the biggest limitation is the fixed feedback level when looping--everything is at 90% or so. On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:40:31 -0800 (PST), mike feeney wrote: > > Just doing some light reading on the DL4. Is the max > loop time 14 seconds? Just making sure I read that > right. Does one find that loop time to be somewhat > limiting? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 12:44:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SHf2f29062; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:36:03 -0600 Subject: Re: basic loop equipment From: Stephanie Stemmler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008401c533a2$70603940$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! read all the reviews, which were very helpful. > From: Douglas Baldwin > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:25:05 -0500 > To: Aptrev@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:27:19 -0500 > > I'd vote for the RC-20 too. Simple, easy, rugged, and small - you can > probably fit it in your gig bag with a couple of cables. Plug your guitar > into the RC-20, plug the RC-20 into your amp. Then press one pedal with your > foot to record, press again to stop, and - if I remember correctly and if > I'm reading the various user comments correctly - it immediately begins to > play back. There will be a very small learning curve to do this much, which > will fulfill your needs for a looped accompaniment, and then you can get > into all the other cool things it does, bit by bit, day by day, week by > week. > At my guitar instruction studio, one of my instructors uses the RC-20 > between students, and he rapidly lays down chord progressions and > single-note lines for practice and study. When I walk past his room, it is a > stone gas to hear songs being born on the spot, and brilliant lead lines > played atop clever progressions. > Be warned: you might have the uncomfortable realization that your sense > of rhythm is not yet adequate. If you speed up from the beginning of your > loop to the end, it will be obvious (and the built-in metronome will help > with that). And if you don't press the pedal at precisely the right point, > there will be a herky-jerky feel between repetitions (although the > "quantize" function will help with that). But this is part of the beauty of > using any looping or long delay device - they function wonderfully as > "instant feedback tools" that allow you to live with your actions - over and > over again! Instant karma indeed! Your dharma is to improve, and the quality > of your work will spread into all aspects of your playing. > So I'd vote for the RC-20. > Be sure to click on > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html to read Loopers > Delight reviews of the RC-20 and to link to other reviews as well. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment > > >> In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com > writes: >> >> << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's >> something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to >> operate-that's what I'm looking for. >> >> >> Hi >> >> I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal. >> >> Simple, easy, and rugged. >> Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing > loop. >> If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again, if you do like > you >> can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an >> existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words, > fun! >> >> Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried > within >> utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access. >> >> I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in > my >> area for $200-$250. >> >> >> BobC >> >> >> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >> http://trundlebox.iuma.com >> http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 13:07:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SI3ea01432; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:03:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:03:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Mr+KHAagipcfCAmORogj0lDWbiJBLusaqho0VIwhd5qjL+mQgHf4U9OVIoE1umKeyl8gd2w1ijtaEjHeyq0IZYkUnLY50nduAQ94Cf3/4ua0HYZGrdjugZ1OfirUYWVNbAfNIIRuLhzBx9YJg2go71u2R9T4N77qm2FCNXrkCDI= ; Message-ID: <20050328180225.60551.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 To: Travis Hartnett , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <52mr1B.A.UU.4aESCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see, I didn't see that in the manual I downloaded. Maybe I missed it. How long does it take the loop to fade noticeably? --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > 14 seconds in "full-speed" mode, 28 seconds in > half-speed. I do a ton > of looping with loops around 4/8/12 seconds, but if > you're wanting to > put a whole verse or chorus structure into a loop > that doesn't repeat > quickly, then yes, it's limiting. > > In my opinion the biggest limitation is the fixed > feedback level when > looping--everything is at 90% or so. > > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:40:31 -0800 (PST), mike > feeney > wrote: > > > > Just doing some light reading on the DL4. Is the > max > > loop time 14 seconds? Just making sure I read > that > > right. Does one find that loop time to be > somewhat > > limiting? > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 13:12:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SI8KK02413; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:08:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:08:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:07:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20050328180225.60551.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUzwMaujwfWaDZgRGK4JXW/S2bHsgAACRtA Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Honestly on mine, I can leave it for an hour or more without fading (havent tried more than that)...maybe some do and some don't? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I see, I didn't see that in the manual I downloaded. > Maybe I missed it. How long does it take the loop to fade > noticeably? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 13:29:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SIPqv05765; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:25:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:25:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:24:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 28, 2005, at 1:07 PM, hazard factor wrote: > Honestly on mine, I can leave it for an hour or more without fading > (havent > tried more than that)...maybe some do and some don't? this might be related to whether the dl4 is in overdub mode or not. if it's in overdub i think there is degradation, otherwise it plays like a loop. bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 13:32:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SITQk06769; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:29:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:29:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mzQeK2YNw0OfLU2z/B035P8yPkkNvVOWKK6OsQZ/uF1fafM8/s5tdfLy2xd7c3+PV0SOATaiU9+jHq8+XiiFN7RuMArC+0Ouym2g30+2OU/ggEhd8xWuM0BTCuS+XcBa8NdNCfaVS8HyMxP6pshamVaKeotVieGUGVfHxmuprpk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:28:50 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right--that's what I meant. But, the fixed and high feedback level in overdub is a big limitation in my opinion. > > this might be related to whether the dl4 is in overdub mode > or not. if it's in overdub i think there is degradation, otherwise > it plays like a loop. > bruce > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 13:39:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SIZ0D08246; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" Cc: , , , , "Patty and Jimmy Franfurt" , "George Francis Perry" , "Clark" , , "Rick Turner" , "Reid Whatley" , "Mel Adamson" , "Rick Walker" , , "Bernhard Wagner" , "Leah" , "Kumi" , "Ted and Alex" , "Justin Mayer" , "Jonspivak" , "Jim Fabiano" , "George Demarest" , "Gary Regina" , "Ben And Dee" , "Mason Hicks" , "Max Valentino" , "Allee and Ken" , "David Rhodes" , "Daniel Thomas" , "Linda Probst" , "Corey" , "Bill Williams" , "SarahWillbourne" , "Mikob" , "Hans L" , "Art Walker" Subject: FW: PSA announcement for Second Sundays Live Looping Series INAUGURAL EVENT april 10th at the ATTIC Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:33:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C53381.94FC2F00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_VyG4D.A.0-B.y4ESCB@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C53381.94FC2F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PSA Announcement SUNDAY, APRIL 10th ,will be the inaugural performance of a monthly concert called the SECOND SUNDAYS LIVE LOOPING SERIES at the ATTIC in downtown Santa Cruz The kick off concert will feature guitarist extraordinaire, ANDRE LaFOSSE from Los Angeles, and Santa Cruz guitar wiz BILL WALKER, as well as special guest Rick Walker who will act as MC. 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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C53381.94FC2F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 14:40:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SJaRY21801; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:36:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:36:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <91fa49a8126ff89ba92bbd5c0f5da4eb@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Live 4 (was: Re: All-Laptop live?) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:35:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 27, 2005, at 21:59, todd reynolds wrote: > 8< 8< 8< 8< Ableton Live, 8< 8< 8< 8< > If I could just > have one lesson with Per on live, perhaps things would be just > perfect... > > todd Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we can have a discussion! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 15:26:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SKLe931389; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:21:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:21:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:20:34 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Live 4 (1st loop) In-reply-to: <91fa49a8126ff89ba92bbd5c0f5da4eb@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42486712.5090304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <91fa49a8126ff89ba92bbd5c0f5da4eb@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <-4_h0B.A.ynH.TcGSCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: > Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any > specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we can > have a discussion! This isn't really related to the original post, but since we're talking about Live I have a question regarding "1st loop capability". I know Live doesn't do 1st loop, but I'm trying to do something similar with a looping plugin. The plugin starts sending MIDI clocks as soon as the loop length is set, Live is configured to receive external sync, and I use a MIDI loopback device to pipe the MIDI output from the plugin back into Live. Except for a bug in the plugin that causes the clock to drift after awhile, this seems to basically work. I remember reading on this list several months ago that there was a fundamental problem with plugins being a sync master for Live, I think it had something to do with Live's time stretch being controlled by tempo. I don't understand this. Tempo-based time stretch seems to be exactly what you want if you have audio backing tracks you want to trigger. Should this work or am I missing something? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 15:48:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SKimE02126; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:44:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b401c533d6$cc2c4b40$fea8a8c0@itomusica> From: "ito" To: "ejyuhas" Cc: Subject: Re: basic loop equipment Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:43:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AF_01C533E7.8867E7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AF_01C533E7.8867E7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I=B4ve checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn=B4t find any = clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did you do feedback = control? Ingo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ejyuhas=20 To: 'Stephanie Stemmler' ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: RE: basic loop equipment Hello and welcome! I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), = easy to use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control. Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available. Click here for more: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/ Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, = too. Now I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming... Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: basic loop equipment I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then = hear that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking about cassette 4 = track recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops. What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_01AF_01C533E7.8867E7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I=B4ve checked the manual of the = RC-20XL twice but I=20 didn=B4t find any clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did = you do=20 feedback control?
 
Ingo
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ejyuhas=20
To: 'Stephanie Stemmler' = ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 = 4:02=20 PM
Subject: RE: basic loop = equipment

Hello and welcome!

I would suggest the Boss = RC-20XL...it=20 is affordable ($~250 or so), easy to
use, and if you wish to = experiment=20 further, it has feedback control.

Plus, there is 16 minutes of = loop=20 time available.

Click here for more:  http://www.bossco= rp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/

Be=20 careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, too. = Now
I=20 own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's = habit-forming...

Ed in=20 NJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie Stemmler=20 [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, = 2005 12:15=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 basic loop equipment

I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to = play 12=20 bar blues and then hear
that while I learn to play solos.  I = was=20 thinking about cassette 4 track
recorder...but then saw stuff about = guitar=20 effect pedals with loops.

What's the best way to do what I want = to do?=20 I just want a practice
tool---not a mega-recording station or = something=20 like that.  Thanks!
------=_NextPart_000_01AF_01C533E7.8867E7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 17:57:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SMraV23621; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:53:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:53:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.34908cbe.2f79e459@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:51:05 EST Subject: Re: basic loop equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2SMpKx23326 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/28/05 12:44:02 PM, ito@itofarm.com writes: << checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn´t find any clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! >> Hi That's cuz there is no feedback control, which is one of the weak points of its functionality. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 18:20:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SNEto28280; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:14:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1a8.34908cbe.2f79e459@aol.com> References: <1a8.34908cbe.2f79e459@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:13:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: basic loop equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2SNDMx28001 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:51 PM -0500 3/28/05, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/28/05 12:44:02 PM, ito@itofarm.com writes: > ><< checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn´t find any clue about >adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! >> > >Hi > >That's cuz there is no feedback control, which is one of the weak points of >its functionality. > >BobC I'm a Jamman guy, so I am curious about the terminology here. Are you concerned about feedback so that you can lower the feedback in order to get the loop to fade out at variable rates? Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 18:20:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SNGKU28647; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:07:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Live 4 (was: Re: All-Laptop live?) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <91fa49a8126ff89ba92bbd5c0f5da4eb@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, per. No specific questions that you haven't already answered thoroughly in your many posts here. It has always been my experience that working alongside or watching someone else very experienced opens up a wealth of understanding for how one might do one's own work. I just see you as someone who has used the program so extensively and understands it so thoroughly, I'd jump at the chance to just see your setups and catch some of your ideas. I use live extensively myself. It's pretty much my standard performance tool, but I have the sense that there is a whole other realm which I might not yet be exploring... That's all. T. On 3/28/05 2:35 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2005, at 21:59, todd reynolds wrote: > >> 8< 8< 8< 8< Ableton Live, 8< 8< 8< 8< > >> If I could just >> have one lesson with Per on live, perhaps things would be just >> perfect... >> >> todd > > Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any > specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we can > have a discussion! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > -- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 18:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SNMGH29595; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c533ec$dd4e45c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: LINE 6 DL-4 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:21:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what it is worth: despite the limitations of the Line 6 DL-4, I love this unit intensely and have been using it for my first loop capabilities ever since it was released. I also use the amazing EDP and Repeater (the high budget loopers) but I've done many quickie shows that didn't allow long setup times with just two DL-4s. I have found that if you put the loop into constant overdub mode that the time it takes for the inistial loop to fade out is so long that I can't use that feature as a way of fading out a piece in real time. So, even though there is some loss of the original loops it can easily be overcompensated by making your first loops signals be hotter than subsequent loops. Also, I have found that musically, one typically doesn't want to use a whole hell of a lot of static loops in a piece............it makes the piece...................well..................static to do so. Typically, and I play multiple instruments, in my live shows I rarely use more than three or four static loops. The Line 6 can easily handle this amount without having it's loop degeneration be a liability musically speaking. Also, I find that when using a looper to make rhythmic ostinato loops (which we play over) that it actually seems to work for me to use shorter loops (one or two bar at the most), in which case at most normal tempi, the Line 6s 14 second looping time is not a defect. If you want really long ambient loops where the audience doesn't hear where the loop occurs, you might consider the Boss Loop Station. I have found that if your loops are very much longer than 15 or 20 seconds that audiences frequently don't percieve them as loops. That, of course, can be musical, but I personally love minimalistic repitition which is why I'm so fascinated by live looping. Another advantage is that the Line 6 DL4 really sounds pretty damn good fidelity wise (better than EDP, imho and on par with the Repeater) so that makes it the cheapest high quality looper that has multiple features on the market. Now, if I could only get an endorsement with those suckers..........................I've worn out both of my DL4s....................lol Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 18:34:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SNUNU30704; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:30:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:30:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Bg5LJre392WCcaEM8l1hE6j4fHsrC58Tx8mSpUj765hkdS+aoj9ANqB8QUM90fMaO04vycOcF8O2dT6Msd3NioWYtj415PZvkl6rhgE41K3V47rrnbRHENin0mYNyTR4MrMhAINldCdKVwVN9/qSSnB7t6G33k3LgXBvBOY95tg= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:29:39 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: small digital recorder In-Reply-To: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5oHPTB.A.ZdH.jNJSCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they don't record digital ins! Very irksome as my board has a nice digital out... On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer wrote: > I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio > system. I like the small size and the 24/96 > capability. > > I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I > find it rising...and rising. > --New PDA $450-650 > --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only) > --PDA recording software $50 > --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each > --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my > case) > --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo > mic....$150-? > > .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other > choices....perhaps even a laptop? > Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I > could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment > books, etc). > I guess these are questions I need to decide for > myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz? > Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull > to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD > burner available? ....I'm so confused. > > =RANDY= > > > --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > > At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote: > > >I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. > > > > > >The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. > > > > > >There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo > > >desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase > > >SL)on there...but I don't have room for that > > >equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall > > >outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea > > creature > > >under my desk.) > > > > > > Or you could try the PDAudio from > > http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't > > seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's > > has been great. > > > > > > Edwin > > -- > > > > Edwin Hurwitz > > Boulder CO > > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > > Services > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 18:45:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2SNfuw00558; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:41:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:41:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: small digital recorder Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:39:14 -0600 To: tom@swirly.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Marantz PMD670 has digital input. On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they > don't record digital ins! Very irksome as my board has a nice digital > out... > > On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer > wrote: >> I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio >> system. I like the small size and the 24/96 >> capability. >> >> I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I >> find it rising...and rising. >> --New PDA $450-650 >> --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only) >> --PDA recording software $50 >> --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each >> --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my >> case) >> --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo >> mic....$150-? >> >> .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other >> choices....perhaps even a laptop? >> Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I >> could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment >> books, etc). >> I guess these are questions I need to decide for >> myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz? >> Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull >> to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD >> burner available? ....I'm so confused. >> >> =RANDY= >> >> >> --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: >>> At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote: >>>> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. >>>> >>>> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. >>>> >>>> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo >>>> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase >>>> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that >>>> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall >>>> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea >>> creature >>>> under my desk.) >>> >>> >>> Or you could try the PDAudio from >>> http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't >>> seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's >>> has been great. >>> >>> >>> Edwin >>> -- >>> >>> Edwin Hurwitz >>> Boulder CO >>> http://www.indra.com/~edwin >>> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording >>> Services >>> >>> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Make Yahoo! your home page >> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 19:41:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T0btd10859; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:37:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:37:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: small digital recorder Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:37:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The iRiver iHP140, despite its disguise as an mp3 player, has an optical SPDIF input and will record uncompressed WAV files. Then there's the Sound Devices 744T...save those pennies... > The Marantz PMD670 has digital input. > > On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they >> don't record digital ins! Very irksome as my board has a nice digital >> out... >> >> On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer >> wrote: >>> I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio >>> system. I like the small size and the 24/96 >>> capability. >>> >>> I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I >>> find it rising...and rising. >>> --New PDA $450-650 >>> --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only) >>> --PDA recording software $50 >>> --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each >>> --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my >>> case) >>> --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo >>> mic....$150-? >>> >>> .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other >>> choices....perhaps even a laptop? >>> Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I >>> could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment >>> books, etc). >>> I guess these are questions I need to decide for >>> myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz? >>> Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull >>> to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD >>> burner available? ....I'm so confused. >>> >>> =RANDY= >>> >>> >>> --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: >>>> At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote: >>>>> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. >>>>> >>>>> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. >>>>> >>>>> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo >>>>> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase >>>>> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that >>>>> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall >>>>> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea >>>> creature >>>>> under my desk.) >>>> >>>> >>>> Or you could try the PDAudio from >>>> http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't >>>> seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's >>>> has been great. >>>> >>>> >>>> Edwin >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Edwin Hurwitz >>>> Boulder CO >>>> http://www.indra.com/~edwin >>>> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording >>>> Services >>>> >>>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Make Yahoo! your home page >>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> /t >> >> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >> >> > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 19:53:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T0np012914; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:49:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:49:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:49:29 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time) From: Dylan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mobius In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> X-X-Sender: dmenzies@mail-vip.cc.nd.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-ND-MTA-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:49:10 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4456 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm finding my away around mobius. I'm trying to make the tracks loop to exact multiples of the first track recorded. Is this possible? If not it would be very useful I think. Also may I suggest seperate CC maps for output and feedback levels- it would make mixing on the fly much easier. Thanks, Dylan On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Alex Stahl wrote: > The iRiver iHP140, despite its disguise as an mp3 player, has an > optical SPDIF input and will record uncompressed WAV files. > > Then there's the Sound Devices 744T...save those pennies... > > > The Marantz PMD670 has digital input. > > > > On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > >> The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they > >> don't record digital ins! Very irksome as my board has a nice digital > >> out... > >> > >> On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer > >> wrote: > >>> I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio > >>> system. I like the small size and the 24/96 > >>> capability. > >>> > >>> I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I > >>> find it rising...and rising. > >>> --New PDA $450-650 > >>> --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only) > >>> --PDA recording software $50 > >>> --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each > >>> --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my > >>> case) > >>> --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo > >>> mic....$150-? > >>> > >>> .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other > >>> choices....perhaps even a laptop? > >>> Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I > >>> could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment > >>> books, etc). > >>> I guess these are questions I need to decide for > >>> myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz? > >>> Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull > >>> to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD > >>> burner available? ....I'm so confused. > >>> > >>> =RANDY= > >>> > >>> > >>> --- Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > >>>> At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote: > >>>>> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far. > >>>>> > >>>>> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx. > >>>>> > >>>>> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo > >>>>> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase > >>>>> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that > >>>>> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall > >>>>> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea > >>>> creature > >>>>> under my desk.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Or you could try the PDAudio from > >>>> http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't > >>>> seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's > >>>> has been great. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Edwin > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Edwin Hurwitz > >>>> Boulder CO > >>>> http://www.indra.com/~edwin > >>>> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording > >>>> Services > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Make Yahoo! your home page > >>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> /t > >> > >> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > >> > >> > > -- > > | Michael A. Firman > > | maf@mlswebworks.com > > | http://www.mlswebworks.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 20:54:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T1o1C23100; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:50:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:50:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200503290148.j2T1mmx22897@hemlock.violacea.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Reply-To:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=KB+msTTDe/aSu1ckMZKrjsDFg7ddcMw8u3VLWIROgZK6MtNBjJTwBEcojivC2I/O; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: "'ito'" Cc: Subject: RE: basic loop equipment Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:48:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C533D7.8C540930" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUz/dTgjJTKldvQRWaZGhkPl9k6dgAA2UBA In-Reply-To: <01b401c533d6$cc2c4b40$fea8a8c0@itomusica> X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce934095a0d0914cc824ad851a9d0f93a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.245.115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C533D7.8C540930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My goof ! I meant that the DD-20 has feedback control=85sorry for the confusion, all fellow loopies ! =20 Ed in NJ =20 PS But the RC-20XL would be SO COOL with feedback!!! C=92mon, BOSS, get = with it !!!!!!!!! =20 _____ =20 From: ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]=20 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:43 PM To: ejyuhas Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: basic loop equipment =20 Hi, =20 I=B4ve checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn=B4t find any = clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did you do feedback control? =20 Ingo =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ejyuhas =20 To: 'Stephanie Stemmler' ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: RE: basic loop equipment =20 Hello and welcome! I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy = to use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control. Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available. Click here for more: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/ Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, too. = Now I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming... Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: basic loop equipment I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then hear that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking about cassette 4 track recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops. What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C533D7.8C540930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My goof ! I meant that the DD-20 = has feedback control…sorry for the confusion, all fellow loopies = !

 

Ed in = NJ

 

PS But the RC-20XL would be SO COOL = with feedback!!! C’mon, BOSS, get with it = !!!!!!!!!

 


From: ito = [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]
Sent: Monday, March 28, = 2005 3:43 PM
To: ejyuhas
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: basic loop = equipment

 

Hi,

 

I=B4ve checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I = didn=B4t find any clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did = you do feedback control?

 

Ingo

 

 

----- Original Message ----- =

From: ejyuhas =

Sent: Sunday, = March 27, 2005 4:02 PM

Subject: RE: = basic loop equipment

 

Hello and welcome!

I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy = to
use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control.

Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available.

Click here for more:  http://www.bossco= rp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/

Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, too. = Now
I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming...

Ed in NJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: basic loop equipment

I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then = hear
that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking about cassette 4 = track
recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops.

What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice
tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that.  = Thanks!

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C533D7.8C540930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 21:53:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T2mk932714; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:48:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:48:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:46:36 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: mobius In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4248C18C.1090402@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9rKQlC.A.q6H.7FMSCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dylan wrote: > I'm finding my away around mobius. I'm trying to make the tracks loop to > exact multiples of the first track recorded. Is this possible? Set the Track Copy parameter to Timing. Then, when you select a track that is empty, it will automatically be given an initial loop that is exactly the same size of the loop playing in the previous track. From there you can use Multiply to make it larger, or quantized unrounded multiply (Multiply followed by Record) to make it smaller. > Also may I suggest seperate CC maps for > output and feedback levels- it would make mixing on the fly much easier. Yes, good idea. For general Mobius usage questions and feature requests, there is a Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 22:19:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T3FlX04997; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:15:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:15:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:14:54 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Travis Hartnett Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Message-ID: <20050329031454.GB3179@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:28:50AM -0800, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Right--that's what I meant. But, the fixed and high feedback level in > overdub is a big limitation in my opinion. It is to some degree. I tend to work around it my setting up the expression pedal to control the mix, and then fading out the level of the loop manually. Not really the same, but most listeners will never notice the difference. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 28 23:42:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T4cf815975; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, , , , , "'Patty and Jimmy Franfurt'" , "'George Francis Perry'" , "'Clark'" , , "'Rick Turner'" , "'Reid Whatley'" , "'Mel Adamson'" , "'Rick Walker'" , "'Bernhard Wagner'" , "'Leah'" , "'Kumi'" , "'Ted and Alex'" , "'Justin Mayer'" , "'Jonspivak'" , "'Jim Fabiano'" , "'George Demarest'" , "'Gary Regina'" , "'Ben And Dee'" , "'Mason Hicks'" , "'Max Valentino'" , "'Allee and Ken'" , "'David Rhodes'" , "'Daniel Thomas'" , "'Linda Probst'" , "'Corey'" , "'Bill Williams'" , "'SarahWillbourne'" , "'Mikob'" , "'Hans L'" , "'Art Walker'" , "'William Walker'" Subject: Re: FW: PSA announcement for Second Sundays Live Looping Series INAUGURAL EVENT april 10th at the ATTIC Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 15.246.143.45 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:25:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1112070303_51607@S1.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: **: 2.800000 Poly=1.0,High tags-to-text ratio=1.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 151, in=36233, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill - Will this be recorded? I'd love to get a "bootleg" copy, even if recorded into a minidisk or something.

Kris




On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:33 , 'William Walker' <billwalker@baymoon.com> sent:

 

 
PSA Announcement
 
 
    SUNDAY, APRIL 10th    ,will be the inaugural performance of  a monthly concert called
the SECOND SUNDAYS LIVE LOOPING SERIES at the ATTIC in downtown Santa Cruz
 
The kick off concert will feature guitarist extraordinaire,  ANDRE LaFOSSE from Los Angeles, and Santa Cruz guitar wiz BILL WALKER, as well as special guest Rick Walker who will act as MC. 
 
Live looping is a music performance style that incorporates the use of digital loop recorders, that allow  the performer the freedom to build multiple layers of sound in real time without the need for pre-recorded  backing tracks.  A growing number of international musicians playing a wide assortment of instruments, have embraced  this performance style, and festivals  devoted to this practice have sprouted up all over the globe
 
Andre La fosse, a self-described “ turntablist  guitarist”, creates   complex, multi-layered  guitar improvisations that defy easy description..  Bill Walker creates ambient impressionistic   soundscapes ,  that he describes as “music for imaginary movies”. Both of these accomplished guitarists represent mastery of two poles of  the worlds' most sophisticated live looping hardware 
 
Joining these two extraordinary  guitarist  is Rick Walker.  Better  known  as a master drummer and percussionist, Rick will do a set of experimental  guitar improvisations, treating the instrument as a found sound object. .
 
The performance starts at 7:00, and is FREE to all ages of the public.
 
 

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 00:41:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T5bXK25571; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:37:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:35:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Reason 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was curious how many of you would recommend upgrading from Reason 2.5 to 3.0 (assuming you've done so yourself)? This is the last week to get the upgrade price of $129, and I'm debating whether or not to do it. Advice would be appreciated. Fwiw, I haven't learned 2.5 yet--not that that really matters, I guess. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 00:54:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T5pL127679; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:51:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:51:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c53423$30a756e0$39995142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <01b401c533d6$cc2c4b40$fea8a8c0@itomusica> Subject: Re: basic loop equipment Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:50:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C533E0.21A0BBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C533E0.21A0BBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I took a poke at the manual as well, and the only thing remotely = resembling feedback was the 'fade out' feature. I was excited there for = a moment, but at $295 at most of the places I checked, it seems a bit = high... it DOES fill a niche with a large amount of storage and the = ability to save loops. Might do a store demo to see just how enamored I = might be with it. I've roasted two DL4's over the last 6 years, and I'm really = disappointed with the headroom of the unit. It's about 3db shy of the = levels I normally put through most processors, and customer service = really sucks. I'm still quite happy with my EDP, but really like to have a floor unit = as a small 'out the door' option. I'm tempted to check out the DL20 with = it's 23 secs (or is it 26?) -Miko "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20 Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ito=20 To: ejyuhas=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: basic loop equipment Hi, I=B4ve checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn=B4t find any = clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did you do feedback = control? Ingo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ejyuhas=20 To: 'Stephanie Stemmler' ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: RE: basic loop equipment Hello and welcome! I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), = easy to use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control. Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available. Click here for more: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/ Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, = too. Now I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming... Ed in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: basic loop equipment I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then = hear that while I learn to play solos. I was thinking about cassette 4 = track recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops. What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C533E0.21A0BBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I took a poke at the manual as well, = and the only=20 thing remotely resembling feedback was the 'fade out' feature. I was = excited=20 there for a moment, but at $295 at most of the places I checked, it = seems a bit=20 high... it DOES fill a niche with a large amount of storage and the = ability to=20 save loops. Might do a store demo to see just how enamored I might be = with=20 it.
 
I've roasted two DL4's over the last 6 = years, and=20 I'm really disappointed with the headroom of the unit. It's about 3db = shy of the=20 levels I normally put through most processors, and customer service = really=20 sucks.
 
I'm still quite happy with my EDP, but = really like=20 to have a floor unit as a small 'out the door' option. I'm tempted to = check out=20 the DL20 with it's 23 secs (or is it 26?)
 
-Miko
"Running scared from all the usual = distractions!"=20
Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com  www.cdbaby.com/biffoz
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ito =
To: ejyuhas
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 = 12:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: basic loop = equipment

Hi,
 
I=B4ve checked the manual of the = RC-20XL twice but=20 I didn=B4t find any clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How = did you do=20 feedback control?
 
Ingo
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ejyuhas
To: 'Stephanie = Stemmler' ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 = 4:02=20 PM
Subject: RE: basic loop = equipment

Hello and welcome!

I would suggest the Boss=20 RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy to
use, and if you = wish to=20 experiment further, it has feedback control.

Plus, there is = 16=20 minutes of loop time available.

Click here for more:  http://www.bossco= rp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/

Be=20 careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, = too.=20 Now
I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's=20 habit-forming...

Ed in NJ

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]
Sent: = Saturday,=20 March 26, 2005 12:15 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 basic loop equipment

I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to = play 12=20 bar blues and then hear
that while I learn to play solos.  I = was=20 thinking about cassette 4 track
recorder...but then saw stuff = about=20 guitar effect pedals with loops.

What's the best way to do = what I=20 want to do? I just want a practice
tool---not a mega-recording = station or=20 something like that.  = Thanks!
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C533E0.21A0BBC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 03:00:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T7uQ512059; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:55:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Reason 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:35 PM -0600 3/28/05, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >I was curious how many of you would recommend upgrading from Reason >2.5 to 3.0 (assuming you've done so yourself)? This is the last week >to get the upgrade price of $129, and I'm debating whether or not to >do it. Advice would be appreciated. Fwiw, I haven't learned 2.5 >yet--not that that really matters, I guess. > >Thanks, > >Jeff Where did you see that this is the last week for an upgrade? TIA Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 04:37:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2T9YLl28051; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:34:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42486712.5090304@sun.com> References: <91fa49a8126ff89ba92bbd5c0f5da4eb@boysen.se> <42486712.5090304@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6a8bafca954432506a4133500c44eabe@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 4 (1st loop) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:33:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-invalid-halo: [192.168.0.2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per Boysen wrote: >> Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any >> specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we >> can have a discussion! On Mar 28, 2005, at 22:20, Jeff Larson wrote: > > This isn't really related to the original post, but since we're > talking about Live I have a question regarding "1st loop capability". 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< > I remember reading on this list several months ago that there was a > fundamental problem with plugins being a sync master for Live 8< 8< 8< 8< Hi, There is a thread for wishing better performance from Live on these matters at the *Ableton forum: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11557 Personally I don't have a problem with Live catching up slowly. Maybe because I have been using a Repeater slaved to an EDP? The Repeater constantly struggling to catch up the new tempi. I have to say I acutally liked the sound of the two loopers going in and out of perfect sync. To my own taste Live is almost too fast to catch up, I can never get that slooow phase of speeding up or slowing down to reach the tempo of the other looper. So that's why I nowadays tend to run Live as the sync master and slaving the EDP (but also because I like to go Half/Double tempo in the EDP without having the entire "wall of sound" bending over). But I do see your point! The 1st loop functionality is really powerful when performing live. You can simply start playing and off you go. Never have to think about tempo, it's all about the music. This I have only experienced with the EDP as sync master and a slaved Repeater. When looping together with other musicians I still find the EDP the best way of syncing, because you can always sync manually by redefining the loop length on-the-fly (multiply-rec, re-rec etc). With Live 4 as master I have to keep a pedal mapped to the Tap Tempo function and I find this a little more troublesome than the EDP "destructive" method. BTW I suspect this discussion about software looping also is biased by everyones different tastes in music making with loopers. When it comes to creating music with chord changeds there are two different approaches in live looping: 1) There is one technique in live looping where you play melodies and chord changes into a long loop and than overdub layers. To me Matthias Grob is a very good example of doing this very well on the EDP. You can build music in the classic "Tubular Bells" (Mike Oldsfield) way. Then do a destructive cut-out of a segment of the long piece you have looping and start building again from that seed. The option for using this technique I do miss a loot in software looping (yes, got SooperLooer, but the Jack 6.1 is only working on my big G5 and not on my PowerBook with an Echo i/o card). 2) Another technique, especially well suited for the software available today, is to record shorter loops in parallel and use midi pedals to transpose the loops to match chord changes on-the-fly. For doing it this way, I have gravitated towards using Augustus Loop in Live 4. I'm afraid I don't know about any looping plug-in for Windows that can be transposed while looping/recording/overdubbing. An eventual "drawback" (but again, this all depends on your musical tastes) is that the loops is getting shorter when transposed to higher pitches and vice versa. I kind of try to adapt to that musically, but I admit I miss the option of also playing like "alt 1" (above) in software. So "a fix" to stay clear of too radical poly rhythm, has been to create midi clips in Live (controlled from midi pedals) that induce a soft beat synced tremolo to the loops. If the looping is getting too "washy" I can steer it up by slapping a tremolo on one of the loops (or both). Here's an audio clip example of that Powerbook/ Live4 / 2 Augustus Loop set-up: http://www.looproom.com/Future_Leadership_Hits/flute_livelooping.mp3 Musolomo for OS X is said to be able to overdub loops as well as time stretch the length, but I have not been able to get it working for me. It seems you need to send a midi note to trigger the loop (like in pHATmatic PRO) and I have not taken the time to set up an environment for that in Live (but I guess it would be possible to do). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 08:29:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TDPI502744; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:22:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Reason 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Where did you see that this is the last week for an upgrade? They sent me an email. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 09:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TEKPu14131; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:20:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:20:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:19:53 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time) From: Dylan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius In-Reply-To: <4248C18C.1090402@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> <4248C18C.1090402@sun.com> X-X-Sender: dmenzies@mail-vip.cc.nd.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-ND-MTA-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:19:43 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4456 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you. Thought I tried this, must have gone wrong somewhere. Dylan On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Jeff Larson wrote: > Dylan wrote: > > I'm finding my away around mobius. I'm trying to make the tracks loop to > > exact multiples of the first track recorded. Is this possible? > > Set the Track Copy parameter to Timing. Then, when you select a > track that is empty, it will automatically be given an initial loop > that is exactly the same size of the loop playing in the previous track. > From there you can use Multiply to make it larger, or quantized > unrounded multiply (Multiply followed by Record) to make it smaller. > > > Also may I suggest seperate CC maps for > > output and feedback levels- it would make mixing on the fly much easier. > > Yes, good idea. > > For general Mobius usage questions and feature requests, there is a Yahoo > group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 10:07:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TF0DR21313; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=r/CgpzrvYwQGLSlQYYn11qno3PUiAdC2xs+mqEVhWlquDfgzhK+0+plrvWmDBmZPF73h/PBM8dJ1HYA5WIVnCexGreC/jzQG+Sy/wJy7aovy3IlMnvAnvTTr3/79gaa3Xq7lQ2dZRQjJ4pUnw7lU+pca5R3irER3vDn2hp3+vaI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:56:39 -0500 From: magicicada Reply-To: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4: Since we are on the subject. In-Reply-To: <20050329031454.GB3179@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> <20050329031454.GB3179@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use 3-4 Line 6 Dl4s in my setup and have been noticing an issue with the metal Toggle switches on them as of late. It seems that they get worn out quickly and start getting jammed at horrible & crucial moments. Maybe I am too hard on the metal toggle switches when I stomp down on 'em but, I do not think that is the case. Have any of you ever had this sort of problem with your DL4? thanks! c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 11:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TG4N531984; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:04:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <343730.1112112161300.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:02:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rick's green disc Re: LINE 6 DL-4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to flog a dead horsie, Rick, but I just gotta say that your Green disc continues to kick my ass. I haven't gotten bored of it even after a bazillion plays, and I doubt I will EVER get tired of it. I only hope that my upcoming avant disc is as nicely balanced. That was done with DL-4s? Luv, Tim Mungenast -----Original Message----- From: "loop.pool" Sent: Mar 28, 2005 6:21 PM To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LINE 6 DL-4 For what it is worth: despite the limitations of the Line 6 DL-4, I love this unit intensely and have been using it for my first loop capabilities ever since it was released. I also use the amazing EDP and Repeater (the high budget loopers) but I've done many quickie shows that didn't allow long setup times with just two DL-4s. I have found that if you put the loop into constant overdub mode that the time it takes for the inistial loop to fade out is so long that I can't use that feature as a way of fading out a piece in real time. So, even though there is some loss of the original loops it can easily be overcompensated by making your first loops signals be hotter than subsequent loops. Also, I have found that musically, one typically doesn't want to use a whole hell of a lot of static loops in a piece............it makes the piece...................well..................static to do so. Typically, and I play multiple instruments, in my live shows I rarely use more than three or four static loops. The Line 6 can easily handle this amount without having it's loop degeneration be a liability musically speaking. Also, I find that when using a looper to make rhythmic ostinato loops (which we play over) that it actually seems to work for me to use shorter loops (one or two bar at the most), in which case at most normal tempi, the Line 6s 14 second looping time is not a defect. If you want really long ambient loops where the audience doesn't hear where the loop occurs, you might consider the Boss Loop Station. I have found that if your loops are very much longer than 15 or 20 seconds that audiences frequently don't percieve them as loops. That, of course, can be musical, but I personally love minimalistic repitition which is why I'm so fascinated by live looping. Another advantage is that the Line 6 DL4 really sounds pretty damn good fidelity wise (better than EDP, imho and on par with the Repeater) so that makes it the cheapest high quality looper that has multiple features on the market. Now, if I could only get an endorsement with those suckers..........................I've worn out both of my DL4s....................lol Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 11:28:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TGMNb01965; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:22:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=O5DksehziiYKslSQ5hqwoLLg3azBrcwibnKgyaz8gBNWBmLyPbf5s67gUcmtOqiXsSR02qtbJ+QCAAAVJWfngy2PAXIv/TBe7dlr6tBA0VlHQGYK+gHTjUPrafc3FAAnb9/gSvYPeGJSpQ/4A3fGBHIYI4boGqBPvJEdOrQfrGY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:21:33 -0500 From: magicicada Reply-To: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4: Since we are on the subject. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> <20050329031454.GB3179@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com " "Stompbox" is a nickname, not an operating instruction..." Sorry I meant to say, 'when I gently nuzzle my toggle switch with my freshly manicured toe....." :) -c. www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 12:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2THAmp10711; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:10:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:10:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <42498C71.4080406@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:12:17 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: talking about you Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi dear friends, tonight (00,40 italian time) I will be interviwed by Rai International (international channel of italian primary radio) http://www.international.rai.it/notturnoitaliano/ Being it on air all over the world, I thought it would be nice you to know about this because I will create the chance to talk about you, about the friends I have been lucky to meet here and about how important this list has been for me, being partecipating to it since several years ( how many ???). I take this chance to send a great hug to those who I didn't had the chance and the serenity to keep a stable contact with - my input is costantly overloading my threshold since many months now and I just hope the time will come that I will have the lucky to slow down and breath deep. So, I apologize for use of bandwidth, I wanted to let you know that there will be the LD name and glory on the air tonight. My best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 12:43:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2THYnx14597; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1112117383.42499087b41ea@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:29:43 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reason 3.0? References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 207.20.3.87 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's hard to recommend an upgrade as each person wants different things from a given tool... But, having said that, and, if nothing else, 3.0 'sounds better'... I loaded a track I had been working on just hours before 3.0 arrived and I heard a big difference... I wasn't looking for a difference.. I expected my song to sound exactly the same... but, it was more 'open', more 'clear' sounding... as well there is the new mastering tools, which are useless to me until I learn how to use them properly.. lol... and the Combinator it proving to be quite powerful, for me, as I love to build things from lots of parts.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Edwin Hurwitz : > At 11:35 PM -0600 3/28/05, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >I was curious how many of you would recommend upgrading from Reason > >2.5 to 3.0 (assuming you've done so yourself)? This is the last week > >to get the upgrade price of $129, and I'm debating whether or not to > >do it. Advice would be appreciated. Fwiw, I haven't learned 2.5 > >yet--not that that really matters, I guess. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jeff > > Where did you see that this is the last week for an upgrade? > > > TIA > Edwin > -- > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 12:46:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2THgA715869; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:42:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:42:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2719395.1112118049957.JavaMail.root@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:40:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: great site Re: Line 6 DL4: Since we are on the subject. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Magicada is a great website, dude, and congrats on the great review: "if you have a hard time submerging yourself in this sort of music without ticking off Roland D-50 patches as you hear them, you'll be happy" Damn, thats funny, and a hell of a testimonial. I'm intrigued. Wanna trade discs? I'm sure some of my fellow loopies can vouch for me and my disc ;-) ~Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat (also check me out in the All Music Guide (www.allmusic.com) -----Original Message----- From: magicicada Sent: Mar 29, 2005 11:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4: Since we are on the subject. " "Stompbox" is a nickname, not an operating instruction..." Sorry I meant to say, 'when I gently nuzzle my toggle switch with my freshly manicured toe....." :) -c. www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 13:52:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TIlBx26605; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:47:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:47:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050329115525.036079d0@m3ch.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:45:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Musolomo within Live [was: Live 4 (1st loop)] In-Reply-To: <6a8bafca954432506a4133500c44eabe@boysen.se> References: <91fa49a8126ff89ba92bbd5c0f5da4eb@boysen.se> <42486712.5090304@sun.com> <6a8bafca954432506a4133500c44eabe@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:33 AM 3/29/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >Musolomo for OS X is said to be able to overdub loops as well as time >stretch the length, but I have not been able to get it working for me. It >seems you need to send a midi note to trigger the loop (like in pHATmatic >PRO) and I have not taken the time to set up an environment for that in >Live (but I guess it would be possible to do). Per, Musolomo's actually got some really cool things happening. I've been playing around with it the past couple of weeks, and I think that you'd probably dig a few of the functions it implements. I wouldn't think of it as a replacement for Augustus Loop, by any means, but I think it augments AL in the same way that the EDP and Repeater can augment each other. Anyway, when I first started playing around with Musolomo, I was doing things quick-&-dirty by using the computer (ASCII) keyboard within Live to trigger the keys (out of the box Musolomo works by holding down one key to start recording, then pressing another key to tell it which note you want the sample mapped to). However, I discovered that the octaves seem to be off on the computer keyboard within Live. While Musolomo normally has the 'Record' function mapped to key C3 by default, Live's computer keyboard mapping actually puts it on C2, I believe. Just one potential gotcha, so I thought I'd get it out there... Also, all of Musolomo's functions can be remapped to different MIDI notes/events (up to two MIDI mappings for each function, according to the docs). Haven't played with this yet, but that should make things easier after initial setup. --m. _____ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 14:33:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TJTvA02690; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:29:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:29:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1112117383.42499087b41ea@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> <1112117383.42499087b41ea@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:27:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Reason 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It's hard to recommend an upgrade as each person wants different things from a >given tool... But, having said that, and, if nothing else, 3.0 'sounds >better'... Thanks...that's helpful info. Sound quality matters. ;) It could be that I'm reading the email I got from Propellerheads wrong. It states: At 6:10 PM +0100 3/26/05, noreply@propellerheads.se wrote: >Just a note to let you know that this is the last week to get your >Reason 3.0 upgrade with free shipping for only $129 from the Line 6 >online store. It could be that this is merely the last week for *free shipping*, not the last week for getting the upgrade for $129. I suppose the message is deliberately ambiguous, since they want people to spend money now to upgrade. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 14:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TJa2b03605; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:36:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:36:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> <20050329031454.GB3179@redhat.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:34:23 -0800 To: magicicada , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4: Since we are on the subject. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:56 AM -0500 3/29/05, magicicada wrote: >I use 3-4 Line 6 Dl4s in my setup and have been noticing an issue with >the metal Toggle switches on them as of late. It seems that they get >worn out quickly and start getting jammed at horrible & crucial >moments. Maybe I am too hard on the metal toggle switches when I stomp >down on 'em but, I do not think that is the case. Have any of you ever >had this sort of problem with your DL4? thanks! Is the problem with the metal switches or with the switches mounted on the circuit board? In case you don't know (many people don't) the metal "switches" that you see and interact will actually don't have any signal passing through them. They simply actuate smaller (and more fragile) switches inside the unit. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 14:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TJqMT06077; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Laptop Loopers now can keep their latte's warm Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:51:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: thread-index: AcU0l+xaX3/ljOxHTnKacC0pM2YAUgAAGa1g Message-ID: <1112126524.9961@mx254a.mysite4now.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j2TJphx05968 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on! USB-powered Café Pad at ThinkGeek http://url123.com/ad4mc -dm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 15:05:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TK0v308977; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:00:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:00:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0MKz5u-1DFyeE15aE-0006sa@mrelay.perfora.net> <20050329031454.GB3179@redhat.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:59:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, magicicada From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4: Since we are on the subject. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:34 AM -0800 3/29/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 9:56 AM -0500 3/29/05, magicicada wrote: >>I use 3-4 Line 6 Dl4s in my setup and have been noticing an issue with >>the metal Toggle switches on them as of late. It seems that they get >>worn out quickly and start getting jammed at horrible & crucial >>moments. Maybe I am too hard on the metal toggle switches when I stomp >>down on 'em but, I do not think that is the case. Have any of you ever >>had this sort of problem with your DL4? thanks! > >Is the problem with the metal switches or with the switches mounted >on the circuit board? In case you don't know (many people don't) the >metal "switches" that you see and interact will actually don't have >any signal passing through them. They simply actuate smaller (and >more fragile) switches inside the unit. >-- This is something I have noticed more and more and it really gets me going. A few years ago I got the Lexicon G2 and the R1 footswitch that went with it. I had been using Lexicon gear for quite a while (my first looping was done with an LXP 5! Not recommended) and was always very happy with their customer services, etc. Within a week of getting the R1, the switches started getting flaky. I discovered that what appear to be footswitches are just plungers for surface mount film switches. There was a known problem with a batch of switches, but instead of doing a recall or decent QC, they sent them all out anyway. So, I had to send the unit back at my cost and wait three weeks for them to replace the switches. You would think that since it was brand new, they would swap it out with another unit and not charge me for shipping, but no. I would say that as far as customer service goes, the Harmon Group move was a bad one. When they go bad again (and they will, it's just a matter of time), I intend to replace them all with real switches. For a $400 pedal, I really expected a lot more. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 17:25:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TMKPD02560; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:20:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:20:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> <1112117383.42499087b41ea@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:19:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Reason 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <0ka_JC.A.Bl.oRdSCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >It could be that this is merely the last week for *free shipping*, >not the last week for getting the upgrade for $129. I suppose the >message is deliberately ambiguous, since they want people to spend >money now to upgrade. > >Jeff It's the shipping. I called Line 6 (the distributor in the US for Reason) to find out what the deal was. Musician's Friend and others will ship it for free, so there's no rush if you don't want to get it right now. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 29 18:21:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2TNFrW13631; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050328030623.43653.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050328152959b75d29@mail.gmail.com> <4a985f08c8bee38462563e7172d0d906@mlswebworks.com> <1112117383.42499087b41ea@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:13:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Reason 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> > >It's the shipping. I called Line 6 (the distributor in the US for >Reason) to find out what the deal was. I called Line 6 earlier also, and they had no clue. If you go here, it states pretty explicitly that the price itself is only good for a limited time: https://www.costore.com/line6/welcome.asp So, I don't know. The Line 6 people were of no help whatsoever, so I went ahead and upgraded. What the hell, right? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 30 04:07:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2U92qb16488; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:02:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050329115525.036079d0@m3ch.net> References: <91fa49a8126ff89ba92bbd5c0f5da4eb@boysen.se> <42486712.5090304@sun.com> <6a8bafca954432506a4133500c44eabe@boysen.se> <6.2.1.2.2.20050329115525.036079d0@m3ch.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Musolomo within Live [was: Live 4 (1st loop)] Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:00:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6xnmgC.A.V5D.qqmSCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mar 29, 2005, at 20:45, Mech wrote: > While Musolomo normally has the 'Record' function mapped to key C3 by > default, Live's computer keyboard mapping actually puts it on C2, I > believe. Yes, that makes some kind of sense. I have a vague memory from early Cubase days that C3, "middle C", usually differs by one octave in German vs American instruments. > Just one potential gotcha, so I thought I'd get it out there... Thanks for pointing it out! It never touched my mind that the old octave difference should still be around ;-) Got at Musolo yesterday from the Live 4 computer keyboard by using C2. Now, the next problem to solve is how to set up a Berhringer FCB1010 to send a C3/C2 note while at the same time sending another midi note for the sample to be triggered by. Since a FCB can only send one midi note at a time I think I will try to use the FCB to trig a certain midi clip I will prepare in Live 4; a midi clip that sends the midi notes needed to Musolomo. I think the ability of Live 4 to use midi clips to control software plug-ins is very powerful. If anyone is interested, a similar option is provided by using Numerology as the plug-in host. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 30 06:10:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2UB6Ki08367; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:06:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=eBgEi26NgN44XNhpZOR9ejM+UoLViXAUIJqYV6LSWQFrbg+gsVTGP/QoDrmH90NWLkr/gFU5IbCkAFUGf4c7/8e3NYUxui8CE4Nag/RiVSblyHNNXLopWtO4P3aJVBtlYOVJ8vfYcmjkaTqtEzANd9CmX5BJpxDnfB00J+6OaKc= Message-ID: <146cdfa70503300305395bb338@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:05:35 +0200 From: Marco Ronci Reply-To: Marco Ronci To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: talking about you In-Reply-To: <42498C71.4080406@unguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <42498C71.4080406@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Luca, just finished listening (via web)... congrats ! I really liked both the music and the talk. Should you play in Roma, please let me know. Ciao Marco On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:12:17 +0200, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dear friends, > tonight (00,40 italian time) I will be interviwed by Rai International > (international channel of italian primary radio) > http://www.international.rai.it/notturnoitaliano/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 30 19:08:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2V03Oq25603; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:02:28 -0800 Subject: Call for performers for upcoming West Coast show From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3195043349_1087095" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3195043349_1087095 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Two if by Sea a duo/live-looping event brought to you by the Second Sundays live looping series Show date: May 8, 2005 Location: The ATTIC performance space, Santa Cruz, CA If you are interested in performing at this show: Please send your web link or email audio samples, biographical, contact info, etc. to: d.ans@rcn.com OR put a CD of your music/sound work and your info in the mail BY APRIL 7 to: Envelope Productions 6066 Hillside Drive Felton, CA 95018 Call 831-335-8336 for more info Performers selected for the show will be notified by April 15. IMPORTANT NOTE: Only the following types of performers will be considered for this show: 1. Duos with at least one member using looping as a significant part of the sound production. Improvisational duos encouraged. Or 2. Looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally with another artist) Or 3. Non-looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally with a looping artist) Note for duos: if using computers, only one computer-based musician per duo, please. --B_3195043349_1087095 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Call for performers for upcoming West Coast show

Two if by Sea


a duo/live-looping event


brought to you by the Second= Sundays live looping series


Show date: May 8, 2005


Location: The ATTIC performance space, Santa = Cruz, CA



If you are interested in performing= at this show:


Please send your web link or email= audio samples, biographical, contact info, etc. to: d.ans@rcn.com

OR put a CD of your music/sound work and your info in the mail  BY = APRIL 7 to:

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6066 Hillside Drive
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Call 831-335-8336 for more info

Performers selected for the show will = be notified by April 15.


IMPORTANT NOTE: <= BR>


Only the following types of performers will be considered for this show:


1. Duos with at least one member u= sing looping as a significant part of the sound production. Improvisational = duos encouraged.

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2. Looping soloists (you will be p= aired up to perform improvisationally with another artist)

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3. Non-looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally= with a looping artist)


Note for duos: if using com= puters, only one computer-based musician per duo, please.
--B_3195043349_1087095-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 10:58:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VFqkO31452; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:52:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:52:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:52:37 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c53609$ac1092a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_m9AQEIGiMmwPNsOlXPO75Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_m9AQEIGiMmwPNsOlXPO75Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig! Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.) Thanx madly, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_m9AQEIGiMmwPNsOlXPO75Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)?
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers?
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
--Boundary_(ID_m9AQEIGiMmwPNsOlXPO75Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 11:18:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VGCqT03561; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:12:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:11:26 -0800 Subject: Seeking performers--More show info From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3195101488_530451" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3195101488_530451 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Just to provide a little more information on the show described in my 03/20/05 post =B3Call for performers for upcoming West Coast show=B2-- This show is the second installation of the =B3Second Sundays Live Looping Series.=B2 This series was created by our own illustrious Rick Walker, and Rick, Bill Walker, and myself are taking turns producing the shows. (The first show of the series will be on April 10; see Bill=B9s post on 03/28/05 for more info.) The shows are held in a beautiful new performance space in downtown Santa Cruz called The ATTIC. Look forward to working with you all to make this series an ongoing opportunity for looping musicians to meet, perform, collaborate, and experiment. Yours loopily, Dan --Original message: Two if by Sea a duo/live-looping event brought to you by the Second Sundays live looping series Show date: May 8, 2005 Location: The ATTIC performance space, Santa Cruz, CA =20 If you are interested in performing at this show: Please send your web link or email audio samples, biographical, contact info, etc. to: d.ans@rcn.com OR put a CD of your music/sound work and your info in the mail BY APRIL 7 to: Envelope Productions 6066 Hillside Drive Felton, CA 95018 Call 831-335-8336 for more info Performers selected for the show will be notified by April 15. IMPORTANT NOTE:=20 Only the following types of performers will be considered for this show: 1. Duos with at least one member using looping as a significant part of the sound production. Improvisational duos encouraged. Or 2. Looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally wit= h another artist) Or 3. Non-looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally with a looping artist) Note for duos: if using computers, only one computer-based musician per duo= , please. --B_3195101488_530451 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Seeking performers--More show info
Just to provide a little more information on the show described in my 03/20= /05 post “Call for performers for upcoming West Coast show”--
This show is the second installation of the “Second Sundays Live Loop= ing Series.” This series was created by our own illustrious Rick Walke= r, and Rick, Bill Walker, and myself are taking turns producing the shows. (= The first show of the series will be on April 10; see Bill’s post on 0= 3/28/05 for more info.)

The shows are held in a beautiful new performance space in downtown Santa C= ruz called The ATTIC.

Look forward to working with you all to make this series an ongoing opportu= nity for looping musicians to meet, perform, collaborate, and experiment.
Yours loopily,


Dan



--Original message:

Two if by Sea


a duo/live-looping event


brought to you by the Second= Sundays live looping series


Show date: May 8, 2005


Location: The ATTIC performance space, Santa = Cruz, CA



If you are interested in performing= at this show:


Please send your web link or email= audio samples, biographical, contact info, etc. to: <= U>d.ans@rcn.com

OR put a CD of your music/sound work and your info in the mail  BY = APRIL 7 to:

Envelope Productions
6066 Hillside Drive
Felton, CA 95018

Call 831-335-8336 for more info

Performers selected for the show will = be notified by April 15.


IMPORTANT NOTE: <= BR>


Only the following types of performers will be considered for this show:


1. Duos with at least one member u= sing looping as a significant part of the sound production. Improvisational = duos encouraged.

Or

2. Looping soloists (you will be p= aired up to perform improvisationally with another artist)

Or

3. Non-looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally= with a looping artist)


Note for duos: if using com= puters, only one computer-based musician per duo, please.





 
--B_3195101488_530451-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 11:40:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VGa5T07261; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:36:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:36:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <15329509.1112286843421.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:34:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Hey, Doug:
 
Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)
 
I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.
 
First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful  "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it.
 
They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.
 
Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.
 
I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.
 
Hope this helps. BTW,  lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.
 
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
www.cdbaby.com/all


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin
Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes...

...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)?
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers?
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 12:54:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VHp3x21850; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:51:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:51:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <424C35DC.5070008@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:39:40 -0500 From: John McIntyre Reply-To: mcintyre@pa.msu.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... References: <000e01c53609$ac1092a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000e01c53609$ac1092a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas Baldwin wrote: > ...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) > and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are > certainly going into my looping rig! I've got the Philtre. I had been running my guitar through a Korg MS20 for filtering effects and was looking for something more portable. The Philtre is definitely more portable than the MS20, but I don't like the results as much as I was hoping to. I miss the square wave modulation the MS20 has compared to the Philtre's triangle wave. So, the obvious question is: does anyone know of a small filter unit with multiple waveshapes on its LFO? John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 13:16:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VIBgH27341; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=blsiEePdGKpyTyGGoQOTYx6ukzATiP5PYVZlde/aXnWUjH1hzCnh3jKFcpRmsxnGrUml4+PGDFr1tePhofJA/PalRfLECFzmQy7iYCoVdw1xOFGKCLh28zVb/kOrl8gCFd2Z8UhmiKCO4CmXLzWGvEiCHQ+tTNSHKt2Y21COuso= ; Message-ID: <20050331181106.98043.qmail@web53706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Re: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2012736975-1112292666=:97530" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2012736975-1112292666=:97530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like, say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist... Monica mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: Hey, Doug: Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-) I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again. First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one. Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box. I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor. Hope this helps. BTW, lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... ...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig! Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.) Thanx madly, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2012736975-1112292666=:97530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist...
Monica

mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
Hey, Doug:
 
Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)
 
I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.
 
First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful  "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it.
 
They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.
 
Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.
 
I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.
 
Hope this helps. BTW,  lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.
 
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
www.cdbaby.com/all


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin
Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes...

...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)?
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers?
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2012736975-1112292666=:97530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 13:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VIPDG30070; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5782327.1112293353906.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:22:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: faux dialtones et alRe: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

 
"Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist..."
 
Holy cow, I wanna jam with *you*, space cowgirl! (LOL) 
You mention two excellent examples, the Oldfield and the phone. I always loved the weird touch-tone/modem sound, which ringmod won't quite get, but the Bitrman's FM setting will. I just love it to pieces and would like to have it housed in a proper stompbox (as a fellow list member suggested recently), but it would be a drag to spend the money re-housing the little spacemodule only to have the circuitry commit hara-kiri again ;-)
 
Yours in the Pefftronic Randomatic Chorus,
~Tim Mungenast
www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat



-----Original Message-----
From: Monica
Sent: Mar 31, 2005 1:11 PM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes...

Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist...
Monica

mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
Hey, Doug:
 
Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)
 
I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.
 
First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful  "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it.
 
They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.
 
Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.
 
I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.
 
Hope this helps. BTW,  lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.
 
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
www.cdbaby.com/all


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin
Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes...

...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)?
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers?
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 13:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VId5t00422; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:39:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:39:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=I/I+ln/TpnXgyB89U4Px3l44U3N/DnneRjsh/vPwj28FGuy5i2Rshig1suunAJKANJQdtVsMdRu1gdLGCUXIoGYrMniAOgq01fZCFQS0gHILa2P/noEePszFu+9vcd9qYUoxx6h7tSlxF9x2iIt0bB+cRJQ56rKEe7DQk7qbWHU= ; Message-ID: <20050331183830.85416.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Re: faux dialtones et alRe: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5782327.1112293353906.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1137975932-1112294310=:82539" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1137975932-1112294310=:82539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of space tunes...and yesterday the DL-4...I had found a setting combo on the DL-4 that was exactly what I called "space blues" - I'll have to dig that out...Monica mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: "Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like, say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist..." Holy cow, I wanna jam with *you*, space cowgirl! (LOL) You mention two excellent examples, the Oldfield and the phone. I always loved the weird touch-tone/modem sound, which ringmod won't quite get, but the Bitrman's FM setting will. I just love it to pieces and would like to have it housed in a proper stompbox (as a fellow list member suggested recently), but it would be a drag to spend the money re-housing the little spacemodule only to have the circuitry commit hara-kiri again ;-) Yours in the Pefftronic Randomatic Chorus, ~Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat -----Original Message----- From: Monica Sent: Mar 31, 2005 1:11 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like, say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist... Monica mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: Hey, Doug: Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-) I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again. First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one. Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box. I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor. Hope this helps. BTW, lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... ...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig! Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.) Thanx madly, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals --0-1137975932-1112294310=:82539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Speaking of space tunes...and yesterday the DL-4...I had found a setting combo
on the DL-4 that was exactly what I called "space blues" - I'll have to dig that out...Monica

mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
 
"Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist..."
 
Holy cow, I wanna jam with *you*, space cowgirl! (LOL) 
You mention two excellent examples, the Oldfield and the phone. I always loved the weird touch-tone/modem sound, which ringmod won't quite get, but the Bitrman's FM setting will. I just love it to pieces and would like to have it housed in a proper stompbox (as a fellow list member suggested recently), but it would be a drag to spend the money re-housing the little spacemodule only to have the circuitry commit hara-kiri again ;-)
 
Yours in the Pefftronic Randomatic Chorus,
~Tim Mungenast
www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat



-----Original Message-----
From: Monica
Sent: Mar 31, 2005 1:11 PM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes...

Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist...
Monica

mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
Hey, Doug:
 
Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)
 
I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.
 
First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful  "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it.
 
They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.
 
Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.
 
I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.
 
Hope this helps. BTW,  lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.
 
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
www.cdbaby.com/all


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin
Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes...

...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)?
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers?
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net

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Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals --0-1137975932-1112294310=:82539-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 15:31:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VKQI523088; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:26:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:26:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <197.3bc6bdfc.2f7db665@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:24:05 EST Subject: Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_197.3bc6bdfc.2f7db665_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_197.3bc6bdfc.2f7db665_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/31/05 10:52:58 AM, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these > colorful little skroinkers? > doug.....they are a bit noisy/fragile/.....they do a nice job of affecting the signal in real time but i don't know how much knob turning they can handle so don't get carried away.....i just ordered another bitrman cause i can see that the one i have now will not be around a whole lot longer.....i was reluctant to get the warrenty because i don't think these puppies will be in stock much more, none of them are still being made, i was surprised that MF had the bitrman in stock at all, i called to get the smashup because i love the compression patch "garage" on the ineko but i hate wasteing an ineko for just that.....i hope the smashup can give me that sound.....tim, what was your feel on the smashup?.....alesis should sponser me, i am now using: 2 inekos, soon 2 bitrmans, soon a smashup, a phlngr, i have a faze waiting to get into the picture add in the air-synth and then have everything go thru a quadraverb 2 and 75% of my stuff is from alesis.....give me tea-shirt at least!.....the faze and the phlngr are no great shakes imho but the bitrman is a major gas, i wanted to buy several more but i have to sneak these into the house.....i can't say no to cheapo boxes.....they do hiss things up though.....remember the small table thread a few days ago when travis suggested the music stand, well my next move is to velcro all these boxes onto the stand so they will all be within reach especially since now i have got to stand when i play (thanks kim :).....i'm very excited by the thought of having an ineko and bitrman both pre and post loop, total craziness.....you will love them!.....3 wacky skroinkers for under 150, what a deal!.....mic k --part1_197.3bc6bdfc.2f7db665_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/31/05 10:52:58 AM, coyotelk@optonline.net writes:


Have any of you fine folk= s experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers?


doug.....they are a bit noisy/fragile/.....they do a nice job of affecting t= he signal in real time but i don't know how much knob turning they can handl= e so don't get carried away.....i just ordered another bitrman cause i can s= ee that the one i have now will not be around a whole lot longer.....i was r= eluctant to get the warrenty because i don't think these puppies will be in=20= stock much more, none of them are still being made, i was surprised that MF=20= had the bitrman in stock at all, i called to get the smashup because i love=20= the compression patch "garage" on the ineko but i hate wasteing an ineko for= just that.....i hope the smashup can give me that sound.....tim, what was y= our feel on the smashup?.....alesis should sponser me, i am now using: 2 ine= kos, soon 2 bitrmans, soon a smashup, a phlngr, i have a faze waiting to get= into the picture add in the air-synth and then have everything go thru a qu= adraverb 2 and 75% of my stuff is from alesis.....give me tea-shirt at least= !.....the faze and the phlngr are no great shakes imho but the bitrman is a=20= major gas, i wanted to buy several more but i have to sneak these into the h= ouse.....i can't say no to cheapo boxes.....they do hiss things up though...= ..remember the small table thread a few days ago when travis suggested the m= usic stand, well my next move is to velcro all these boxes onto the stand so= they will all be within reach especially since now i have got to stand when= i play  (thanks kim :).....i'm very excited by the thought of having=20= an ineko and bitrman both pre and post loop, total craziness.....you will lo= ve them!.....3 wacky skroinkers for under 150, what a deal!.....mic k
= <= /HTML> --part1_197.3bc6bdfc.2f7db665_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 15:47:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VKgxg26690; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:42:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:42:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=G11hvQhktc40KTBhFWXmK+t7pEnwv9nt1Yt1Pg/Kzk290ZnYXifvKI4LGJRwb+Ti3op1H2OqhPRSBbOp7ra2vNaqy4MZtThdyvmBfncAkNVs0m9weZ+VIeTJBlSir+9z55FyOnzvUZKjL+N8kvyxzzKLGdM8yrPVInYx+I4+wLw= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:42:24 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... In-Reply-To: <197.3bc6bdfc.2f7db665@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <197.3bc6bdfc.2f7db665@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5dqjRB.A.YfG.2CGTCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your sponsorship deal would probably be more likely if you stopped going on about the fragility and hiss of the product in question.... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:24:05 EST, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > doug.....they are a bit noisy/fragile/.....they do a nice job of affecting > the signal in real time but i don't know how much knob turning they can > handle so don't get carried away.....i just ordered another bitrman cause i > can see that the one i have now will not be around a whole lot longer.....i > was reluctant to get the warrenty because i don't think these puppies will > be in stock much more, none of them are still being made, i was surprised > that MF had the bitrman in stock at all, i called to get the smashup because > i love the compression patch "garage" on the ineko but i hate wasteing an > ineko for just that.....i hope the smashup can give me that sound.....tim, > what was your feel on the smashup?.....alesis should sponser me,....i can't say no to cheapo > boxes.....they do hiss things up though..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 15:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VKqxh28263; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:52:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:52:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:52:16 EST Subject: Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_df.106d5e1f.2f7dbd00_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_df.106d5e1f.2f7dbd00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/31/05 3:42:57 PM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > Your sponsorship deal would probably be more likely if you stopped > going on about the fragility and hiss of the product in question... > the truth shall set ye free!.....oh well! --part1_df.106d5e1f.2f7dbd00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/31/05 3:42:57 PM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:


Your sponsorship deal wou= ld probably be more likely if you stopped
going on about the fragility and hiss of the product in question...


the truth shall set ye free!.....oh well!
--part1_df.106d5e1f.2f7dbd00_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 31 16:49:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2VLkZR08071; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c5363a$ece39cb0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: those cool little alesis mod fx boxes Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:45:15 +0200 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C5364B.B02C0850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C5364B.B02C0850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HEY!! Ive been looking for the ModFX Bitrman for AGES and AGES!!!!!! BUT = guess what? Musicians friend willl not ship them out side of the US (due = to manufacturer restrictions.. whatever THAT means!!) Is there some = kind, and special list member (pref with a paypal account) who could buy = one for me ( i would of course transfer cash to you first) and then send = it on to me.. please please please!!!! answer off list maybe? HEEELP!!! Mark >...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) = and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly = going into my looping rig! > Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond = their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through = the distortion" stuff)?=20 >Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola = problems with these colorful little skroinkers?=20 >Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these = units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think = I could cobble something together from sheet >metal and/or L-brackets on = my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.) mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com mobile +47 98296008 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C5364B.B02C0850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have a Bitrman.  It's a sweetly = little toy=20 with which to explore your inner zomboid self.  I rarely use it = because=20 it's hard to integrate into my set-up, though.
 
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