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If you are using Mac OSX. Sound Converter is a great App. $10

http://www.dekorte.com/software/osx/SoundConverter/

Ronan Chris Murphy
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www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &=20
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If you are using Mac OSX. Sound Converter is a great App. $10


http://www.dekorte.com/software/osx/SoundConverter/


Ronan Chris Murphy

www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )

www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)


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Hi all,

I've got two gigs-with-other-loopers this week -

Thursday, Traders, Petersfield - duet gig with Theo Travis - 
http://www.theotravis.com - Theo plays sax/flute (with Gong/Anya 
Gabarek/JBK etc. as well as fronting his own band and playing solo), his 
solo CD 'Slow Life' is THE DL4 album - just alto flute and DL4, it's 
fantastic. We'll both be doing solo loopy sets, and then a duo loopy 
set. Much looping to be evident :o)  - see 
http://www.stiffpromotions.co.uk for more info Tix £5 adv £6 door

Friday, The Troubadour, Earls Court, London - solo gig on a bill with 
pedal steel legend, BJ Cole - http://www.bjcole.co.uk (BJ's CV is 
insane, check out the list of credits at 
http://www.bjcole.co.uk/Sessions.html - it's insane. The list of albums 
he's played on in the All Music Guide is HUGE.) Anyway, he's now playing 
with a trio of him playing steel + Echplex, laptop blokey with beats and 
Ableton Live and a percussionist. It's fab. We'll also be playing some 
duets. £8 (£6 concessions).

Please come out and support los loopsteros.

Steve
www.stevelawson.net


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Hi loopers,
If there are any of you in Calgary, here's a gig with a little bit o'
looping.
Cheers,
John

Thursday, March 3rd
LEO .fx at Grace Baptist Church
2670 Radcliffe Drive SE
Calgary, AB
We are playing at the reception from 5:30 - 6:30 pm, as part of the arts
component of "Reality Check 2005: Inequity and Well-being in a Debt-free
Alberta."  The conference registration is full, but the reception is open to
the public.  We will also be joined by spoken wordsmith, Gary Lee, for a
portion of the show.
http://www.brassmonkeyproductions.com/artist/LEOfx.html
http://www.timewiseevents.com/realitycheck/

LEO .fx - tribal electrinica duo combining sequenced tracks and real time
loops of electronic beats, hand drums & bass guitar with Theremin &
didgeridoo.

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Hi everyone!
I used to have a digitech sampler/delay but it fell into disuse based on the
music I was doing.  I want to get back into sound on sound and some basic
looping and digital delays but things have evolved so much in the 7 years since
I last used sample/delay/sos. I play solo with an acoustic guitar on stage.

After tons of reading, I went and bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20
yesterday form Guitar Center.  I played some last night and found the volume
output from the pedals kinda wimpy.  I can live with that. Having said that,
the giga-delay didn't really float my boat.  not sure why, but it seems kinda
overkill and funky for stage use.  It's got great sound but for some reason
it's not sounding the way I expected it to.  The RC20 is kinda cool and it
seemed to be more friendly for stage performance but still a little cumbersome
in some ways.

Since these are being used primarily for LIVE performances, anyone have any
ideas on what I could do? I'm thinking of returning the DD20 and possibly the
RC20 (though I got it to do some cool stuff) because of it's *immediate* cutoff
on the looping.  (Heck for the money for both of these ,I could midi-ize the
guitar instead, which would take me in a slightly different direction-granted)


Thoughts?

Thanks!

~peace~


Michael


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Echoplex Digital Pro--
I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . .
But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . .

Gary


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There's a lot of variables to consider.  And, to a degree, the looper
you choose will dictate a fair amount of the structure of what you'll
play.

I'm unaware of any pedal looper that supports loop copy or multiply
features, so that you can start with a cell loop of say, four bars,
then copy that to another loop while overdubbing and switch between
the loops.  If your base loop is a percussion track (tapping and
slapping an acoustic guitar, for example) then you can build
verse/chorus sections in a smooth, real time manner.  Loop multiply
allows you to take a base loop and then buld a new loop consisting of
copies of that loop, with or without overdubbing which can occur in
real time.  So, if you have a four bar base loop you can create a
"verse" which is twelve or sixteen bars, and a chorus which is eight
bars, and so on.  The EDP supports this, and I believe the Repeater
also does.  Without loop copy ability, you'd have to record a base
loop for your first loop, then repeat the procedure for your second
loop.  So if you were looking to create the sixteen bar verse and
eight bar chorus I mentioned, you'd have to play those twenty-four
bars before you could start overdubbing more parts (chords, bass line,
harmony, etc).  It can be done, but it can take longer and it's not as
flexible.

Which brings us to the pricing and rack vs. pedal issue.  If you're
looking for something that sits on the floor and costs less than $500,
then you might want to consider a Boomerang, which supports up to two
loops with a variety of performance oriented features.  If you can
spend more and aren't rack-gear adverse, then the EDP or Repeater
might be better suited to what you're trying to do.



On Tue,  1 Mar 2005 12:42:49 -0500, mike@michaelplishka.com
<mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I used to have a digitech sampler/delay but it fell into disuse based on the
> music I was doing.  I want to get back into sound on sound and some basic
> looping and digital delays but things have evolved so much in the 7 years since
> I last used sample/delay/sos. I play solo with an acoustic guitar on stage.

> Since these are being used primarily for LIVE performances, anyone have any
> ideas on what I could do? I'm thinking of returning the DD20 and possibly the
> RC20 (though I got it to do some cool stuff) because of it's *immediate* cutoff
> on the looping.  (Heck for the money for both of these ,I could midi-ize the
> guitar instead, which would take me in a slightly different direction-granted)

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Thanks Gary.

I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals) is
it worth it?

MP

Quoting Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>:

> Echoplex Digital Pro--
> I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . .
> But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . .
>
> Gary
>
>
>



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8 second or 32 second memory?  JamMan memory can be tough to find.


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> Thanks Gary.
> 
> I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals) is
> it worth it?
> 
> MP
>

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Good question--short answer yes . . .
I had the Jam box when it first came out--saw it at the NAMM show and
acquired it in short order--bumped it up to 32 seconds--
But it "didn't do what I told it to".  The MIDI response wasn't fast enough,
and 32 seconds might seem like a long time while you are waiting to die but
not if you're trying to play a ballad--
I used it, I liked it, and I sold it for more than 350 so--hell yeah man, go
for it!

Gary

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Thanks Gary.

I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals)
is it worth it?

MP

Quoting Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>:

> Echoplex Digital Pro--
> I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . .
> But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . .
>
> Gary
>
>
>





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I'm looking for the manual of korg DL 8000 R!
It's an old beutiful delay unit....
Can anybody help me???
tank you!!!

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I'm waiting for a response to a message I left on just that point.

Quoting Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>:

> 8 second or 32 second memory?  JamMan memory can be tough to find.
>
>
> On Tue,  1 Mar 2005 13:44:18 -0500, mike@michaelplishka.com
> <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Gary.
> >
> > I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any foot pedals)
> is
> > it worth it?
> >
> > MP
> >
>
>



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In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:


> bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20
> yesterday form Guitar Center.=A0 I played some last night
>=20

mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael

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Hi Bernhard,

As you know I applied for a Swedish public grant to cover up for travel 
costs to come and play in August. Now they answered back and said that 
they could not take any decision because I "had not filled out the form 
correctly, since I had left the text area for gage blank". Next meeting 
will be on May 20 and if I get back to them with a sum for "gage" I 
will probably get the grant for travel costs.

I called them up and they told me that they have to get the figure 
because they have this political goal to not support "bad" venues that 
pay musicians too little money. Personally I think that is a good idea, 
but the reality is that I and many other musicians don't think that 
it's such a great idea to base a creative lifestyle aiming at creating 
unusual music on the income you can make as a musician. Trying that is 
just stupid and very uncreative in the long run. Their way of thinking 
make sense when applied to commercial forms of music or 
institutionalized music (playing in symph orchestras etc). I told them 
that I was going to play "on the door", sell CDs and also play another 
gig in Italy that will bring some money in (which is true) and also 
that I value the Zürich Loopfest very high for promotional matters. So 
the guy actually said "just give us a sum for the gage and it will be 
fine with help for your travel costs".

I don't think they need to se a copy of a contract so my idea is to 
simply mail them an estimated figure. There is a "Club gig norm" here 
of SEK 1650 (USD 240) and that's the figure I'm planning to give them.  
  That's the lowest you can go without breaking the rules and 
disqualifying for the grant support ;-)

Myself I never thought about getting paid for playing, really. That 
would not be possible with an expensive venue and that many performers. 
But the Swedish support group have to follow the rules, I'm afraid. So 
I'll "estimate the gage" and send them the figure, but I really can't 
take any money in reality, unless all your costs are first paid for and 
all performers are sharing the rest equally.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi all

I am finally in the mood and position to start organinsing some sort of 
tour.

When I was back at my old hotmail address ( lol c - testtubemicro) I was 
kindly offered a slot in this years 2005 loopstock I was wondering if 
someone could confim to me the dates so I can start to make travel 
arrangments. actually spurred on my another topic  currantly flying around I 
would be interested ot here if anyone knows of any  place where I could 
apply for a musical arts grant for help with my travel costs.

anyways, just wanted ot get the ball rolling, feel free to write off list if 
any of you have any sort of info for me.

yours hopefully

Phill Wilson (aka Blackface)

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How can one tell if it's 8 or 32 based on bootup? Or does one have to open
it up?

Thanks!

~peace~


Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:57 PM
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>
>
> Good question--short answer yes . . .
> I had the Jam box when it first came out--saw it at the NAMM show and
> acquired it in short order--bumped it up to 32 seconds--
> But it "didn't do what I told it to".  The MIDI response wasn't
> fast enough,
> and 32 seconds might seem like a long time while you are waiting
> to die but
> not if you're trying to play a ballad--
> I used it, I liked it, and I sold it for more than 350 so--hell
> yeah man, go
> for it!
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:44 AM
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>
> Thanks Gary.
>
> I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any
> foot pedals)
> is it worth it?
>
> MP
>
> Quoting Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>:
>
> > Echoplex Digital Pro--
> > I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . .
> > But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . .
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Loopas,

There was some talk on the list about Eivind Aarset awhile back so I 
thought I'd let everybody know about two torrents seeding now on 
Easytree.  One of them is going rather slowly at the moment but the 
other one is moving along nicely.

I haven't heard them myself yet but details can be found here:

http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=23661
http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=24025


Loop on

Ed
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Loopas,


There was some talk on the list about
<fontfamily><param>Lucida Grande</param>Eivind Aarset awhile back so I
thought I'd let everybody know about two torrents seeding now on
Easytree.  One of them is going rather slowly at the moment but the
other one is moving along nicely.


I haven't heard them myself yet but details can be found here:


</fontfamily>http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=23661

http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=24025



Loop on


Ed
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Is that a steel or nylon string Turner guitar?
Thanks
Bill

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i'm tired of paying for storage space for this unit, so it's up for 
sale. i'm in southeast ohio, so i'd prefer to have it picked up.

optigan- with 15 or so discs. the weirdest, lo-fi, granny approved, 
optical-sample playing keyboard ever made for home entertainment.

talk about loops...

best/soonest offer takes it.

peace


monk@fuse.net

i'm also getting rid of some vintage guitar parts, a rick turner 
renaissance guitar and a few boutique guitar pedals... email me 
OFF-LIST for any of this stuff.





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I don't know if you can tell by booting the unit.

One way to tell is once the unit is on, press the tap button once.

The display will cycle( go around in a clock-wise direction), if it 
stops after 8 seconds
you have 8 seconds worth of memory.

joe
On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 06:08 PM, Michael Plishka wrote:

> How can one tell if it's 8 or 32 based on bootup? Or does one have to 
> open
> it up?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~peace~
>
>
> Mike
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:57 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: RE: Best for looping live
>>
>>
>> Good question--short answer yes . . .
>> I had the Jam box when it first came out--saw it at the NAMM show and
>> acquired it in short order--bumped it up to 32 seconds--
>> But it "didn't do what I told it to".  The MIDI response wasn't
>> fast enough,
>> and 32 seconds might seem like a long time while you are waiting
>> to die but
>> not if you're trying to play a ballad--
>> I used it, I liked it, and I sold it for more than 350 so--hell
>> yeah man, go
>> for it!
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:44 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: RE: Best for looping live
>>
>> Thanks Gary.
>>
>> I can get a Jam Man for $350 from a nearby studio (without any
>> foot pedals)
>> is it worth it?
>>
>> MP
>>
>> Quoting Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>:
>>
>>> Echoplex Digital Pro--
>>> I like it for all kinds of looping--and it's MIDI . . .
>>> But it's not cheap--looks like they are pretty much a grand new . . .
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Don't forget the Boomerang.

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/rangreview2.html

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I think there are a few video imagery people on the list.  If you're one of
them, this might interest you - the Korg Kaoss Pad Entrancer.

http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KPE1

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It's not the manual, but it might help you figure it out.  Good luck.

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html

If not, let me know.  I have the manual somewhere.  I can photocopy it for
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> I'm looking for the manual of korg DL 8000 R!
> It's an old beutiful delay unit....
> Can anybody help me???
> tank you!!!
>

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I'm cross-posting this from another list.  I thought a few people here =
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Free UNDO MP3's:
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  Hopefully winter will be over soon, and the snow will go away. I'm =
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       WVKR-FM "Secret Music" Top 20 Playlist
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serious=20
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people=20
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to book=20
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Try contacting Korg.  When I got a used AM8000R they sent me a copy of 
the manual when I asked if they knew where I could get one.

Kevin

>  
>
>>I'm looking for the manual of korg DL 8000 R!
>>It's an old beutiful delay unit....
>>Can anybody help me???
>>tank you!!!
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
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Hello all. I'm in Los Angeles and I just went on an all day goose 
chase looking for 12 minute loop tapes for use in a sculpture I'm 
building. Does anyone know where I can find tapes in L.A. ??
Thanks in advance,
Jason

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Thank you for the answer!
Anyway, if you have the manual somewhere, I'm very happy if you could send
it to me.  If you don't have a scanner to sent it by mail I'll sent you
my address.
thank you thank you thank you!

>-- Messaggio originale --
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>It's not the manual, but it might help you figure it out.  Good luck.
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Hi Per,

Im looking into grants myself, and tough i live in Norway there might 
be similarities to where and how to apply.
Is there a special organisation you are applying to? Most of the grants 
i have found here (norway) are difficult to get access to if you not 
already are a professional musician.
As for one time i applied to get a grant to go to the states to study 
Sitar with Roop Verma, i had a personal recomandation from Roopji, and 
all looked swell, but it was a no go, no grant since im not a 
professional Norwegian sitarplayer, how odd up is that?
However a swedish sitarstudent almost got a grant thrown after him when 
he applied to go to the same place.

guess im on the wrong side of the border : (

Jan


Pċ 1. mar. 2005 kl. 23.00 skrev Per Boysen:

> Hi Bernhard,
>
> As you know I applied for a Swedish public grant to cover up for 
> travel costs to come and play in August. Now they answered back and 
> said that they could not take any decision because I "had not filled 
> out the form correctly, since I had left the text area for gage 
> blank". Next meeting will be on May 20 and if I get back to them with 
> a sum for "gage" I will probably get the grant for travel costs.
>
> I called them up and they told me that they have to get the figure 
> because they have this political goal to not support "bad" venues that 
> pay musicians too little money. Personally I think that is a good 
> idea, but the reality is that I and many other musicians don't think 
> that it's such a great idea to base a creative lifestyle aiming at 
> creating unusual music on the income you can make as a musician. 
> Trying that is just stupid and very uncreative in the long run. Their 
> way of thinking make sense when applied to commercial forms of music 
> or institutionalized music (playing in symph orchestras etc). I told 
> them that I was going to play "on the door", sell CDs and also play 
> another gig in Italy that will bring some money in (which is true) and 
> also that I value the Zürich Loopfest very high for promotional 
> matters. So the guy actually said "just give us a sum for the gage and 
> it will be fine with help for your travel costs".
>
> I don't think they need to se a copy of a contract so my idea is to 
> simply mail them an estimated figure. There is a "Club gig norm" here 
> of SEK 1650 (USD 240) and that's the figure I'm planning to give them. 
>   That's the lowest you can go without breaking the rules and 
> disqualifying for the grant support ;-)
>
> Myself I never thought about getting paid for playing, really. That 
> would not be possible with an expensive venue and that many 
> performers. But the Swedish support group have to follow the rules, 
> I'm afraid. So I'll "estimate the gage" and send them the figure, but 
> I really can't take any money in reality, unless all your costs are 
> first paid for and all performers are sharing the rest equally.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
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Hi all!

On one of the occasions that I bumped into him at the NAMM show back in=20
January I managed to wheedle a copy of Steve's latest CD "Grace and Gratitud=
e" out=20
of him. Well, actually, I bought it from him. But, I had the distinct feelin=
g=20
he didn't have all that many copies on his person at that particular moment=20=
in=20
time so I was very thankful he was willing to sell me one (and cheap too).=20
Fittingly, in the aforementioned gratitude, I offer this humble review:

Grace and Gratitude

I have to say up front, that I am completely, totally prejudiced concerning=20
loopy Britt bass player, Steve Lawson. He is not just one of my favorite=20
bassists, but one of my favorite musicians -- period. In fact he's on a very=
 short=20
list of bassists that really make me wish I'd stuck with the bass (which I=20
played when I was 10) and not moved to the guitar (at age 11). Sigh! It's to=
o darn=20
late now bub.

His new CD, "Grace and Gratitude," is another step in Steve's musical=20
evolution. It has a nice mixture of "light" and "shadow" to it. There are st=
ill the=20
expected lovely loop/groove-based melodic pieces here and there, but there i=
s=20
also a chilly sinister dissonance lurking at the edges that I don't think I'=
ve=20
heard (as such) in his music before -- plus he offers up just a dash of=20
occasional funkiness this time 'round too.=20

Yes, Steve is a "looper" (user of a variety of digital delay devices to=20
musically "clone" himself in performance) but the technology never gets in t=
he way=20
of the music. This CD also reveals a remarkable talent for tasty faux guitar=
=20
playing as well, by his sometimes pitch-shifting (and occasionally distortin=
g)=20
his bass sound -- nicely filling out that part of the musical spectrum on a=20
number of tunes. Unlike some guitarists who should never, ever attempt to pl=
ay=20
bass, Steve pulls the reverse off with quite convincing panache. Speaking as=
 a=20
guitarist, it's just plain not fair!=20

As a fellow musician, it would be very, very easy to jealously resent the=20
fact Steve brings to his music a complete package of all-around spontaneous=20
compositional skills, a childlike inventive playfulness, real showmanship, a=
nd a=20
truly unnerving command of his instrument that goes well beyond the usual=20
assumptions of its musical role. But, some of the tunes he comes up with (ag=
ain and=20
again on disc after disc) are so doggone emotionally pure, vulnerable and=20
lovely it is hard to maintain that attitude and listen to him for very long=20
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Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
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Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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On one of the occasions that I bumped into him at the NAMM show back in Janu=
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 too darn late now bub.<BR>
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His new CD, "Grace and Gratitude," is another step in Steve's musical evolut=
ion. It has a nice mixture of "light" and "shadow" to it. There are still th=
e expected lovely loop/groove-based melodic pieces here and there, but there=
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k I've heard (as such) in his music before -- plus he offers up just a dash=20=
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http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
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http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
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http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
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Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
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I got an RC20 last week and I've been having a grand old time playing =
with it.  After reading some of the discussions on here about it, I had =
no illusions about using it as a delay.  It's not really.  It's a =
looper.  It would be nice to have a 'feedback' control to allow it to =
fade out over time.  The tap-tempo/quantization bit is taking a little =
getting used to, but it does lead to some interesting effects. I would =
like to be able to just turn tempo/quantize completely OFF!  I'm not =
likely to use the mic in, but I do wish they would have put an XLR jack =
on it instead of the 1/4". =20

I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is =
anybody using one of these puppies?  Like it? hate it? useful?  make =
screwy noise?  I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be =
filled.  heh.  got G.A.S. ??

Tony
  Subject: Re: Best for looping live



  In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:



    bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20
    yesterday form Guitar Center.  I played some last night



  mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael 
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Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great but,
they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other
effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner somewhere.

________________________________

From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] 
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I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is
anybody using one of these puppies?  Like it? hate it? useful?  make screwy
noise?  I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled.
heh.  got G.A.S. ??
 
Tony

	Subject: Re: Best for looping live
	
	
	
	In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com
writes:
	
	
	

		bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20
		yesterday form Guitar Center.  I played some last night
		

	
	
	mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael 


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I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if this is still an issue with the GNX4?

DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches?

Brian



> Hi Paula,
> 
> I don't have a JamMan, so I can't say how similar the GNX4 is to 
> it, 
> but my experience with the GNX4 is that this is one of the weakest 
> features on the device.  It is very very hard to create seamless 
> musical sounding loops, and they will often contain clicks.  I 
> thought 
> it was me until I borrowed a RC-20 from a friend and had no 
> trouble 
> creating loops that were in time.  My theory is that there is a 
> delay 
> on the GNX4 that make the loop point hard to nail.  But I could be 
> doing something wrong as I tend to use the GNX4 mostly for things 
> other 
> than looping.  In fact I hope I am wrong and someone on here can 
> tell 
> me how to get a lot out of this function as it would be cool.  
> Also, I 
> could not find any kind of feedback control.  Does the JamMan have 
> feedback?
> 
> DJ
> 
> On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:30 AM, <mizfeldman@bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone use the Digitech GNX4?  It's supposed to have a 
> built-in
> > "JamMan Delay Looper w/8 levels of undo".  Anyone know how much 
> of the
> > functionality of the Jam Man is actually built into this device 
> ... or
> > other comments?
> >
> > paula
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Brian

even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop 
out
so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of 
effect routing

Claude

>I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing 
>about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches. 
>I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this delay 
>is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if this is 
>still an issue with the GNX4?
>
> DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches?
>
> Brian

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Funny you should ask:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Free shipping!
I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up
properly.
Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do
with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money
right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack.
I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv.
Gary

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Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great but,
they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other
effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner somewhere.

________________________________

From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]
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I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is
anybody using one of these puppies?  Like it? hate it? useful?  make screwy
noise?  I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled.
heh.  got G.A.S. ??
 
Tony






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Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well--
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Brian

even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop
out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of
effect routing

Claude

>I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing 
>about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches.
>I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this 
>delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if 
>this is still an issue with the GNX4?
>
> DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches?
>
> Brian



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What would you expect from somebody with a Boss VF-1, a TC Fireworx and once
an Adrenalinn (glowing reports?) they function but, the sounds it produces
do nothing for me (again what would you expect?)
I will sell mine for $70 (paypal only) shipped (USA lower 48) too bad I
threw the box out a month or so back basically it is unused.
Contact me off list.

-----Original Message-----
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Funny you should ask:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Free shipping!
I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up
properly.
Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do
with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money
right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack.
I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
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Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great but,
they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other
effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner somewhere.

________________________________

From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM
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I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is
anybody using one of these puppies?  Like it? hate it? useful?  make screwy
noise?  I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled.
heh.  got G.A.S. ??
 
Tony







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Well, for a while the Digitech series of processors (I'm speaking
specifially of the 2120 but I think it applied to others) had seamless
patch changes.  It was a dual processor idea and if you were using an
effect that used one processor, you could switch seamlessly to another
single processor effect.  I guess they ditched that idea now eh.

Kevin


> Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well--
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4
> 
> Brian
> 
> even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of
delay/drop
> out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of
> effect routing
> 
> Claude
> 
> >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing 
> >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between
patches.
> >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this 
> >delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if 
> >this is still an issue with the GNX4?
> >
> > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches?
> >
> > Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Ah progress... the Digitech 2120 didn't do this.  It's
a great guitar effect processor and has pretty cool
looping capabilities too.  The only reason I gave mine
up was because I wanted a solution that didn't envolve
a rack and a floor controller.  The box I ended up
with was the Vox Tonelab SE.  I think it's a great box
and doesn't have the patch gap issue other units have.
 It's more or less instant.  Where it disappoints is
in it's reverbs and chorus effects which sound like
stomp boxes and I like more of a hi-fi sound. 
However, if you want a box that sounds and feels like
you've got a guitar plugged into a bunch of stomp
boxes that feed into a tube amp, this is the best I've
found.

Mark

--- Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:

> Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well--
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4
> 
> Brian
> 
> even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have
> this type of delay/drop
> out so you'll have to play with it or using a
> split-paralell-merge type of
> effect routing
> 
> Claude
> 
> >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor,
> and the worst thing 
> >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when
> switching between patches.
> >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and
> Digitech told me this 
> >delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM
> chip). I wonder if 
> >this is still an issue with the GNX4?
> >
> > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when
> switching patches?
> >
> > Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 

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On Mar 2, 2005, at 17:12, jan wrote:

> Hi Per,
>
> Im looking into grants myself, and tough i live in Norway there might 
> be similarities to where and how to apply.

Each one with it's own traditions for taking care of its internal 
cultural affairs. However, international funds reach over national 
borders.

> Is there a special organisation you are applying to? Most of the 
> grants i have found here (norway) are difficult to get access to if 
> you not already are a professional musician.

That's how it is here as well. The truth is that there are more funds 
you can apply to than you might think before looking into it. There are 
books with listings and you can do internet search on the subject. Some 
funds are very specific and you might suddenly find that you fit in 
with their regulations.

Also commercial corporations can sponsor music and art. I found a good 
partner here locally that teamed up with me because we both work along 
the same philosophy. I make music while they educate organisational 
leaders; we both have to be extremely clear about our output but at the 
same time being prepared to throw it all away and start over from 
scratch. In (improvised) music and business you never know what 
tomorrow will look like or if your "best darlings" will even be usable 
in a future situation. Nothing is automatically in the loop since we 
are only players and do not control all the delete buttons. But as 
networking (musically or business-wise) humans we will always create 
new buildings, whatever happens to the one we're presently occupying.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I remember that Rocktron used to boast of their gapless switching,
starting with the Intellifex.  I never ran mine 100% wet, so I don't
recall how effective it was.

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The Adrenalinn is purty deep--I am still waiting for inspiration to strike
as to how to best utilize that pup--it's so tiny!  And it's MIDI!  Clock in
and out!
I still have an SPX-90 that I put to work occasionally--do we assume that
the reverbs are any better on that unit than the Behringer?  I have no
idea--somebody tell me!
Gary
PS  Next to go on the LD GAS list--a MC-505 I bought on the advise of
Goddess (now visiting New York and off this list, but says hi to Markie),
that I tried and failed to integrate into the old pile o' gear . . .
G

-----Original Message-----
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What would you expect from somebody with a Boss VF-1, a TC Fireworx and once
an Adrenalinn (glowing reports?) they function but, the sounds it produces
do nothing for me (again what would you expect?) I will sell mine for $70
(paypal only) shipped (USA lower 48) too bad I threw the box out a month or
so back basically it is unused.
Contact me off list.

-----Original Message-----
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Funny you should ask:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Free shipping!
I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up
properly.
Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do
with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money
right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack.
I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv.
Gary


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On Mar 2, 2005, at 18:04, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

> Hi all!
>
>  On one of the occasions that I bumped into him at the NAMM show back 
> in January I managed to wheedle a copy of Steve's latest CD "Grace and 
> Gratitude" out of him.
8< 8< 8 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ........


Hi Ted and all,

Glad you found out about that CD, Ted! I too bought "Grace and 
Gratitude" and I liked it so much that I posted a review at CD Baby. 
Here it is:

-------------------------
A beautiful record! It's named Grace And Gratitude and to me it just 
sounds like that.

(Reviewer: Per Boysen)
This is a record I liked very much from the first time I downloaded 
some mp3's from Steve Lawsons site. I just had to buy the record and 
I'm so happy I did, because it's not easy to find ambient music with 
that kind of soul. Some other stuff I have been listening to, that 
Grace And Gratitude brings to my mind, are Wheather Report (especially 
Jaco Pastorious' wonderful tone, like in the opening and closing melody 
of "A Remark You Made" from Heavy Wheather), Paul Bley (the "silent" 
stuff he recorded with Jimmie Giuffrey and Bill Connors) and finally 
"Hearing Solar Winds" with David Hykes and his Harmonic Choir. Hmmm.. 
eventually a little Durutti Column as well. If any of these releases 
ring a bell with you I can assure you that you will love this disk. 
Chances are you will anyway!
-------------------------

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Adrenalinn: Yeah I sold mine and some MIDI guitar gear to get the TC
Fireworx (love it but, slow on the Patch changes so I use bypass instead) I
will eventually get another perhaps they will build that much requested rack
version (yet) by the time I get around to that (They are excelent)

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The Adrenalinn is purty deep--I am still waiting for inspiration to strike
as to how to best utilize that pup--it's so tiny!  And it's MIDI!  Clock in
and out!
I still have an SPX-90 that I put to work occasionally--do we assume that
the reverbs are any better on that unit than the Behringer?  I have no
idea--somebody tell me!
Gary
PS  Next to go on the LD GAS list--a MC-505 I bought on the advise of
Goddess (now visiting New York and off this list, but says hi to Markie),
that I tried and failed to integrate into the old pile o' gear . . .
G

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What would you expect from somebody with a Boss VF-1, a TC Fireworx and once
an Adrenalinn (glowing reports?) they function but, the sounds it produces
do nothing for me (again what would you expect?) I will sell mine for $70
(paypal only) shipped (USA lower 48) too bad I threw the box out a month or
so back basically it is unused.
Contact me off list.

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Funny you should ask:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7303318350
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Free shipping!
I tried it once as a reverb for vocal--it did fine once I hooked it up
properly.
Aftering listing it I starting thinking about all the things I *could* do
with it--like put it at the end of my loop chain--but I could use the money
right now, and *don't* have a single space left in rack.
I got it because it was recommended on this list--ymmv.
Gary



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In '98 I searched far and wide to find a seamless patch-change guitar 
processor.  I finally bought a Zoom 8080, which I still use.  The patch 
changes are seamless *IF* the patch you change from *AND* the one you 
change to both have an active  delay effect.  The delay from patch 1 
carries over into patch 2.  It's not a perfect solution but it's 
liveable and addresses a problem that most effect processor mfgs seem to 
ignore.

Dennis

Gary Lehmann wrote:

>Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well--
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM
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>
>Brian
>
>even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of delay/drop
>out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of
>effect routing
>
>Claude
>
>  
>
>>I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing 
>>about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between patches.
>>I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this 
>>delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if 
>>this is still an issue with the GNX4?
>>
>>DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches?
>>
>>Brian
>>    
>>
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>I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is
>anybody using one of these puppies?  Like it? hate it? useful?  make screwy
>noise?  I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be filled.
>heh.  got G.A.S. ??

There's a Virtualizer which is is reverb + ordinary stuff,
and also a Virtualizer Pro DSP2024P which also includes a number of
less common effects:-


There's a 5s stereo delay with (up to ) 100% feedback, with
individual delay time control for L&R channels.
(this is very good quality)

A bad vocoder, which is redeemed by the fact it has a noise generator.

A sub-bass generator which tracks fairly well.

also distortions, dub-delay, ring-mod, all sorts of dynamic FX, tremolo 
with variable waveform,
some filters.

Probably worth the effort if you need a 5s delay, or just like fiddling 
around to  find new sounds.
...and the reverb is good at that price.

If you really want something fun for very little money,
to fill that rack space, go for the MAM Resonator 3,
(triple  filter with LFOs and envelope following) .




andy butler








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The way I understand it, the problem with this "seamless" patch changing 
operation is that it would mean having two effects processors in one 
box, but only using one at a time.  Which is a waste of money and parts 
~99% of the time.

The only time both would be used is when you're switching between 
patches and you want the effect tails to carry over.

That said, I do remember hearing, a long time ago, about a processor 
that did it.  However, I can't recall the make or model.

-J



Dennis Montgomery wrote:
> 
> In '98 I searched far and wide to find a seamless patch-change guitar 
> processor.  I finally bought a Zoom 8080, which I still use.  The patch 
> changes are seamless *IF* the patch you change from *AND* the one you 
> change to both have an active  delay effect.  The delay from patch 1 
> carries over into patch 2.  It's not a perfect solution but it's 
> liveable and addresses a problem that most effect processor mfgs seem to 
> ignore.
> 
> Dennis
> 

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I have the GNX3.  You can run it in stompbox mode - there is no 
perceivable delay with effects on/off changes made within a patch.  They 
have a neat control footswitch that can be assigned to automatically 
change 3 parameters simultaneously.  A lot can be made of that feature.

But, yes, patch to patch changes are a little gappy.



Jesse Lucas wrote:
> The way I understand it, the problem with this "seamless" patch changing 
> operation is that it would mean having two effects processors in one 
> box, but only using one at a time.  Which is a waste of money and parts 
> ~99% of the time.
> 
> The only time both would be used is when you're switching between 
> patches and you want the effect tails to carry over.
> 
> That said, I do remember hearing, a long time ago, about a processor 
> that did it.  However, I can't recall the make or model.
> 
> -J
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis Montgomery wrote:
> 
>>
>> In '98 I searched far and wide to find a seamless patch-change guitar 
>> processor.  I finally bought a Zoom 8080, which I still use.  The 
>> patch changes are seamless *IF* the patch you change from *AND* the 
>> one you change to both have an active  delay effect.  The delay from 
>> patch 1 carries over into patch 2.  It's not a perfect solution but 
>> it's liveable and addresses a problem that most effect processor mfgs 
>> seem to ignore.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
> 
> 

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>...still an issue with the GNX4?

sadly the gnx-4 also does this.

there are two distinctly different artifacts, which people often seem to confuse,
that result from patch switching in guitar processors.  brians question, 
which started this thread, has to do with modeling processors, which use 
microprossers to model amplifiers,preamps,etc.  on all the modeling 
processors i've used (pod, gnx-3, gnx-4) there is a gap during patch changes 
while the amp model is reconfigured.  no sound is output during this gap, 
and the sound is gated hard on both ends, which is quite disconcerting.  
the gnx-3 has a gap of ~100ms.  a dual processor approach could fix this, 
but i don't know of any devices that do.  

stompbox mode in the gnx series allows you to turn single effects on and off.  
this works quite well, but obviously you can't switch amp models with it.  
you can switch amp models by morphing, but it's not as simple or convenient 
as changing patches.

the sansamp units switch instantly, but i think they belong to a different category.  
most programmable tube preamps without built-in effects switch seamlessly.

the other artifact is the stopping of time-based effects (reverb, delay, resonant 
filters, etc) while switching effects algorithms.  there is no gap, just an audible 
stopping of the natural decay of the previous effects.  this can be fixed by clever 
programming or dual processors.  the digitech 2101se does this quite well.  
note that the preamp path of this unit is analog, so there is no gap between patches, 
even when using more than one processor per patch for effects.


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Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my Tascam USB audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few seconds, and that's when I'm playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive. Can't imagine what it would do if I actually tested it with some decent system usage. I bought a PCMCIA USB2 card thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem? 
I found a trojan and 185 spyware programs on my computer, which were apparently causing it to run like molasses, but after deleting them all, the USB audio signal seems no better. 
What about those PCMCIA audio interfaces? Do you think one of those would fix the problem? Any help would be super.
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<DIV>Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my Tascam USB audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few seconds, and that's when I'm playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive. Can't imagine what it would do if I actually tested it with some decent system usage. I bought a PCMCIA USB2 card thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem? </DIV>
<DIV>I found a trojan and 185 spyware programs on my computer, which were apparently causing it to run like molasses, but after deleting them&nbsp;all, the USB audio signal seems no better. </DIV>
<DIV>What about those PCMCIA audio interfaces? Do you think one of those would fix the problem? Any help would be super.</DIV>
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This is a laptop, right?  The tricky thing about laptops is that the
driving design considerations are small size, low weight and low power
consumption.  Unfortunately, addressing those concerns often means you
take a hit on uninterrupted throughput.  For most people, who aren't
doing any sort of audio work, it doesn't matter if there's a few
hiccups in their USB throughput.  This may not be your problem in this
instance, but it's something to take into consideration for laptop
audio.


On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:57:56 -0800 (PST), Devin Smith
<dvidedevo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my Tascam USB
> audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few seconds, and that's
> when I'm playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive.

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In a message dated 3/2/05 1:58:35 PM, dvidedevo@yahoo.com writes:

<< thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, 
causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? 
(I've got 128megs) What could be the problem?  >>

My understanding is that for serious audio 500megs of ram is a good minimum

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In a message dated 3/2/05 1:58:35 PM, dvidedevo@yahoo.com writes:

<< thinking the USB 1 was the problem, but that seems to be even slower, 
causing more frequent breakups. I don't know what to do. Is more ram the answer? 
(I've got 128megs) What could be the problem?  >>

Sorry, I bumped my mouse.
My understanding is that 500 megs of ram is just a decent minimum for serious 
audio, the more the better.
Then again, if you are merely playing an mp3 file then that does not seem 
like it should be a problem.
Is there a driver that can be updated or reinstalled and reconfigured?


BobC


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Don't buy a virtualizer they are crap, buy anything else but not that!
they really are terrible.
geoff
On 2 Mar 2005, at 17:40, Alan Kroeger wrote:

> Virtualizer Pro: Save your money (or buy mine ;-) ) there not great 
> but,
> they are cheap do alright reverb and not much more then that all other
> effects in it are pretty weak. Mine now sits idle and in a corner 
> somewhere.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Best for looping live
> I sort of remember some discussion about the Behringer Virtualizer, is
> anybody using one of these puppies?  Like it? hate it? useful?  make 
> screwy
> noise?  I have a single space left in my rack just waiting to be 
> filled.
> heh.  got G.A.S. ??
>
> Tony
>
> 	Subject: Re: Best for looping live
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	In a message dated 3/1/05 12:43:21 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com
> writes:
> 	
> 	
> 	
>
> 		bought a DD20 Giga Delay *and* the RC20
> 		yesterday form Guitar Center.  I played some last night
> 		
>
> 	
> 	
> 	mike.....give it a bit more time!.....:)michael
>
>
>
Jeff Williams
Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk
check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05

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At 1:57 PM -0800 3/2/05, Devin Smith wrote:
>Well, I've tried everything (just about) and I still can't get my 
>Tascam USB audio/midi interface to work. It just cuts out every few 
>seconds

I'm just speculating, because I don't have a USB interface, but is 
there a setting for audio buffer size? If so, try increasing it. This 
will increase the latency but it may eliminate the dropouts.
-- 

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I borrowed a buddies EDP and since I got it, it has been getting 
glitches in the loop. He never really used the EDP so it has not been 
beat up on the road or anything.

Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with 
Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the 
EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not 
on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so 
it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been 
playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes.

If any one has any ideas I would love to hear them. Below is a link to 
a sample of the problem in two of my tests with very different content.

http://www.venetowest.com/EDPglitches.mp3




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The quick end-user troubleshoot move is to reseat the memory, or try
known-good memory.


On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:05:29 -0800, Ronan Chris Murphy
<looper@venetowest.com> wrote:

> Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with
> Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the
> EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not
> on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so
> it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been
> playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes.

>

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>Is more ram the answer? (I've got 128megs) What could be the problem?

sorry, don't remember if you mentioned the platform.

If you're on WinXP then 256Mb is bare minimum.
Win 98 will be happy with 128mb. (but still add more if you can)

Best to check what you have running in the background, for instance any 
memory management programs will cause problems.

Hopefully, if you're on mac, someone else here can help

andy butler

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>Don't buy a virtualizer they are crap, buy anything else but not that!
>they really are terrible.
>geoff

yes, but that's not the point :-)

I used the Virtualizer Pro to create a set of pseudo drum machine sounds by 
modifying the output of my guitar.

http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3

On that track,
the sub-bass and the ping-pong echo on the guitar solo are Virtualizer as well.

I didn't use the Virtualizer distortions though.
They're crap :-)


andy butler 

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You can indeed switch amp models within a patch.  either using the 
green/red amp footswitch or, I believe, using the control footswitch. 
I've never noticed much of a gap when changing amp models within a patch.



Jim Palmer wrote:
>> ...still an issue with the GNX4?
> 
> 
> sadly the gnx-4 also does this.
> 
> there are two distinctly different artifacts, which people often seem to 
> confuse,
> that result from patch switching in guitar processors.  brians question, 
> which started this thread, has to do with modeling processors, which use 
> microprossers to model amplifiers,preamps,etc.  on all the modeling 
> processors i've used (pod, gnx-3, gnx-4) there is a gap during patch 
> changes while the amp model is reconfigured.  no sound is output during 
> this gap, and the sound is gated hard on both ends, which is quite 
> disconcerting.  the gnx-3 has a gap of ~100ms.  a dual processor 
> approach could fix this, but i don't know of any devices that do. 
> stompbox mode in the gnx series allows you to turn single effects on and 
> off.  this works quite well, but obviously you can't switch amp models 
> with it.  you can switch amp models by morphing, but it's not as simple 
> or convenient as changing patches.
> 
> the sansamp units switch instantly, but i think they belong to a 
> different category.  most programmable tube preamps without built-in 
> effects switch seamlessly.
> 
> the other artifact is the stopping of time-based effects (reverb, delay, 
> resonant filters, etc) while switching effects algorithms.  there is no 
> gap, just an audible stopping of the natural decay of the previous 
> effects.  this can be fixed by clever programming or dual processors.  
> the digitech 2101se does this quite well.  note that the preamp path of 
> this unit is analog, so there is no gap between patches, even when using 
> more than one processor per patch for effects.
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Tom Combs
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Just to add shameless edp selling ..... mines still for sale as guy who 
was gonna buy it was robbed and lost 2grands worth of gear harsh!
anyway its full memory, loop4 software and footswitch (although record 
button on footswitch needs replacing as its unreliable) apart from that 
its perfect! and lovingly cared for will email pictures to anyone 
interested.

450 quid!
england
devon
cheers

geoff


Jeff Williams
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> even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of
delay/drop
> out
> so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of
> effect routing


I just reviewed the Boss GT-8 for Guitar One magazine (and I've been using
the GT-3 for several years now). Not only is there no dropout between
patches on all GT series multi-fx pedals, the GT-8 and GT-Pro (a rack-mount
unit - more on it in a second) feature a kind of "ambient effects overlap"
(I can't remember what Boss calls it) where delays and reverbs continue to
regenerate at the pre-existing settings when changing to a new patch.

I'm very disappointed in how Boss tends to market the GT series, stuffing it
into the amp modeling/vintage effects girdle when it is capable of so many
beautifully radical and unconventional sounds. It would be like marketing an
analog synth as a great "orchestral instrument simulator." Granted, it does
sound awesome when you call up those over-the-top metal patches, "tweed"
amps and 60s fuzzboxes. And the new dual parallel amp structure makes for
some great expressive tones. BUT it is capable of so much more: the single
note synth effect and ring modulator is Mini-Moog/Arp-aliscious, the sheer
quantity and quality of effects is excellent and the range and quantity of
adjustable parameters within any one effect will keep you on your hands and
knees, scrolling through tiny menus for years. (Which is what I've been
doing with the GT-3.)

Now Boss is offering the GT-Pro ($999 list, maybe $750 street) a rack-mount
version of the GT-8 with even more goodies (THREE external in/out points!
FIFTEEN effects at once! FOUR outs including XLR outs! 24-bit coaxial out!)
It should be available in April - the nice people at Boss have told me - and
to quote the punchline to a joke from elementary school days, "Me first on
line!"

No, I don't work for Boss, and I pay for their gear just like any other
schlub. But as a gear reviewer, I get to check out a lot of competetive
units. I understand the marketing niches that other manufacturers are aiming
for, but for my money, Boss rules when it comes to sheer tone-mangling and
extreme custom patch creation. Folks who are considering units like the
Orville, Eclipse, etc. might want to look at/listen to the GT-Pro. In April.
After I get mine. First.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net


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Subject: Re: Effects drop out (was RE: Digitech GNX4)


> The way I understand it, the problem with this "seamless" patch changing 
> operation is that it would mean having two effects processors in one box, 
> but only using one at a time.  Which is a waste of money and parts ~99% of 
> the time.


Right, and you would have to know which two patches you wanted to use.  My 
RP2000 has 4 patches available at for each bank, so it would have to be able 
to store all 4.  It's not bad with the patch changing gap, I had to get good 
at timing it a little early.  One thing I've done with it is it will let me 
use the switches to turn on/off individual effects and not a whole patch. 
that seems to be much more seamless.

Tony


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Well, oddly enough, I have experienced no dropout with my cheap little Zoom 505 (which is a powerful source of deranged tones if you take the time to program it). I have no idea why not, but I am grateful.
~Tim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <kevin@minds-eye.org>
Sent: Mar 2, 2005 2:20 PM
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Well, for a while the Digitech series of processors (I'm speaking
specifially of the 2120 but I think it applied to others) had seamless
patch changes.  It was a dual processor idea and if you were using an
effect that used one processor, you could switch seamlessly to another
single processor effect.  I guess they ditched that idea now eh.

Kevin


> Yes, even the wonderful MPX-G2 does this--oh well--
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4
> 
> Brian
> 
> even the most expensive effects (2000$ and up ) have this type of
delay/drop
> out so you'll have to play with it or using a split-paralell-merge type of
> effect routing
> 
> Claude
> 
> >I have a Digitech RP-300 guitar effects processor, and the worst thing 
> >about it is a noticable delay or "dropout" when switching between
patches.
> >I consider this to be totally unacceptable, and Digitech told me this 
> >delay is inherent in the system (must be a slow ROM chip). I wonder if 
> >this is still an issue with the GNX4?
> >
> > DJ, do you find there is a dropout or delay when switching patches?
> >
> > Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 

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http://www.backline-eng.com/

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If this works as advertised, sweet! Features, size and cost are attractive.

Does remind me of the launch of the Repeater, what was the lag time 
between announcement and release?

NG


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> http://www.backline-eng.com/
>
>
>

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It's been out for some weeks now but since I didn't see any post in 
that here I'm sending the URL to the list: http://www.plasq.com/

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I was sent this, and I thought others here would be interested in
participating in this event.  I don't know anything about it, so I suggest
you do some due diligence on it to check it out.


Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:15:10 +0100
   From: Eric Snelders <eric.snelders@planet.nl>
Subject: talent wanted ..

Hi All

As you may know the 11th Alfa Centauri EM Festival will take place on April
2 in theater Graaf Wichman in Huizen, the Netherlands.

Besides the 4 concerts (Jonn Serrie, Wave World, Jason Corder and Dom F
Scab) on the main stage, there will also be a separate stage called the
'electric cafe'.

This stage is available for promising talent (group, artist), prepared to do
a modest performance.
This is a unique opportunity for (starting) EM artists to present themselves
for an EM audience.

For more information please contact: events@quantumproductions.nl or look at
www.alfacentauri.nl

best wishes

Eric


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Do the glitches match when you press a button?  If so, could it be a
static-charge release when some contact is made?

David


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> I borrowed a buddies EDP and since I got it, it has been getting
> glitches in the loop. He never really used the EDP so it has not been
> beat up on the road or anything.
>
> Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with
> Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the
> EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not
> on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so
> it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been
> playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes.
>
> If any one has any ideas I would love to hear them. Below is a link to
> a sample of the problem in two of my tests with very different content.
>
> http://www.venetowest.com/EDPglitches.mp3
>
>
>
>
> Ronan Chris Murphy
> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
> art and craft of recording )
> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
> Cher)
>

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On Mar 3, 2005, at 10:51 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

> Do the glitches match when you press a button?  If so, could it be a
> static-charge release when some contact is made?
>
>

No it is not initiated by any action on my part. Happens with or 
without pedal.  I got good suggestion to clean and reseat the memory 
which I will try today.

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Hi ronan

first thing to say is dont woory  too much.

im my experiances the edp is a glitchy but resiliant unit, it messes up 
quite a lot but  the problems are nearly always fixable without tech help.

if the glitch that you are talking about is a loud noise that happens NOT on 
the output of the direct signal and NOT when the unit is played through but 
without a loop actuve, but DOES glitch when you make a loop, even when there 
is no instrument level going to the input. I think i know what might be up

its the D-A convesion of the signal where the loop rejoins the input on the 
output path.

this can be solved by opening up the unit after discharging satic from 
yourself and the unit (look on the web if you dont know the procedures to 
acomplish this) then look inside for the large square grey/black  block on 
the bottom left of the board. press firmly but carefully on the side square 
(the outside is the houseing) do this in a very quiet place and listen for a 
pinging combing sound this is the feet of the chip relocating into place.

hope this works for you, did for me!!

just to mantion though, no comebacks, do at your own risk! but it is easy to 
do and low risk in my opinion.

Phill


>From: Ronan Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: EDP Glitches?
>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:05:29 -0800
>
>I borrowed a buddies EDP and since I got it, it has been getting glitches 
>in the loop. He never really used the EDP so it has not been beat up on the 
>road or anything.
>
>Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with Loop4? I 
>have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the EDP 
>generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not on 
>output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so it is 
>not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been playing for 
>at least 5 or 10 minutes.
>
>If any one has any ideas I would love to hear them. Below is a link to a 
>sample of the problem in two of my tests with very different content.
>
>http://www.venetowest.com/EDPglitches.mp3
>
>
>
>
>Ronan Chris Murphy
>www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve 
>Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
>www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art 
>and craft of recording )
>www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher)
>

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About a year.  As I recall, it was announced at one NAMM and didn't
end up shipping until the next one.


On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:09:51 -0800, Neil Goldstein <ngold@comcast.net> wrote:
> If this works as advertised, sweet! Features, size and cost are attractive.
> 
> Does remind me of the launch of the Repeater, what was the lag time
> between announcement and release?
>

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Pouring coffee in my EDP always works to fix up whatever is wrong with 
it on any given day.  You might want to try that first.

-J



phill wilson wrote:
> Hi ronan
> 
> first thing to say is dont woory  too much.
> 
> im my experiances the edp is a glitchy but resiliant unit, it messes up 
> quite a lot but  the problems are nearly always fixable without tech help.
> 
> if the glitch that you are talking about is a loud noise that happens 
> NOT on the output of the direct signal and NOT when the unit is played 
> through but without a loop actuve, but DOES glitch when you make a loop, 
> even when there is no instrument level going to the input. I think i 
> know what might be up
> 
> its the D-A convesion of the signal where the loop rejoins the input on 
> the output path.
> 
> this can be solved by opening up the unit after discharging satic from 
> yourself and the unit (look on the web if you dont know the procedures 
> to acomplish this) then look inside for the large square grey/black  
> block on the bottom left of the board. press firmly but carefully on the 
> side square (the outside is the houseing) do this in a very quiet place 
> and listen for a pinging combing sound this is the feet of the chip 
> relocating into place.
> 
> hope this works for you, did for me!!
> 
> just to mantion though, no comebacks, do at your own risk! but it is 
> easy to do and low risk in my opinion.
> 
> Phill

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In a message dated 3/3/05 12:58:22 PM, pmimlitsch@mindspring.com writes:


> http://www.backline-eng.com/
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sounds like there's voodoo involved with this pedal....."things will change 
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just re-read my post

carefully on the side square (the outside is the houseing) do this in a very 
quiet place and listen for a pinging combing sound this is the feet of the

I MEANT TO SAY INSIDE SQUARE not side square

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I could not agree with you more!
The GT-8 is mind blowing.
Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is 
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Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
 > sounds like there's voodoo involved with this pedal....."things will
 > change and you don't even need to press a button".....wonderful!*

 From what I've read, this doesn't sound especially complicated, though
they certainly like to boast about this "patent pending" technology.

You set a threshold and what amounts to a beat count.  Samples
that exceed the threshold are considered beats.  Keep a running
average of the time between beats.  Stop when the preprogrammed
number of beats has been reached.  This is not unlike what a drum
machine does to determine the tempo from a stream of MIDI clocks,
though it's harder of course to accurately determine where the
audio beats are.

I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space
between the notes it should do a pretty good job.  But this isn't
going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to
The Black Page.

Jeff

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That was kind of what I was thinking.  The fact that it's marketed as 
"Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box.  I'm sure it isn't 
designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically.



Jeff Larson wrote:
> Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>  > sounds like there's voodoo involved with this pedal....."things will
>  > change and you don't even need to press a button".....wonderful!*
> 
>  From what I've read, this doesn't sound especially complicated, though
> they certainly like to boast about this "patent pending" technology.
> 
> You set a threshold and what amounts to a beat count.  Samples
> that exceed the threshold are considered beats.  Keep a running
> average of the time between beats.  Stop when the preprogrammed
> number of beats has been reached.  This is not unlike what a drum
> machine does to determine the tempo from a stream of MIDI clocks,
> though it's harder of course to accurately determine where the
> audio beats are.
> 
> I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space
> between the notes it should do a pretty good job.  But this isn't
> going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to
> The Black Page.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 

-- 
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Check out the audio demo by a band called "Ra" on the
site.  I can't vouch for the software but the music is
great.

I'm buying the album on CDbaby right now!

Mark

--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:

> It's been out for some weeks now but since I didn't
> see any post in 
> that here I'm sending the URL to the list:
> http://www.plasq.com/
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> 
> 
> 

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Maybe someone should pop an email over to the website and invite them to join
the group?

~peace~


Michael


www.michaelplishka.com

Quoting Tom Combs <tcombs@sep.com>:

> That was kind of what I was thinking.  The fact that it's marketed as
> "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box.  I'm sure it isn't
> designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically.
>
>
>

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It seems to lack any features that I want but, I do own an EDP and am hoping
Mobius will be the next phase for me. To me it seems more like a Boomerang
and at the price there listing it would be worth it if you don't want any
glitch capabilities.

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Maybe someone should pop an email over to the website and invite them to
join the group?

~peace~


Michael


www.michaelplishka.com

Quoting Tom Combs <tcombs@sep.com>:

> That was kind of what I was thinking.  The fact that it's marketed as 
> "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box.  I'm sure it isn't 
> designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically.
>
>
>


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>The quick end-user troubleshoot move is to reseat the memory, or try
>known-good memory.

yes, memory is the most likely problem from what I hear.

it would be interesting to know whether the clicks happen at:
- cycle or loopend (-> SW/operation/sync/LED problem)
- at Overdub press, rather a bump (-> input VCA offset, a trimmer)
- anywhere, getting worse when FB slightly reduced (-> memory...)

since you have 4 SIMMs of memory, but the machine also works with 
just two of them (in the two left slots) you can maybe find out which 
one causes the problem

in some rare cases, its a worst case combination of SIMMs with big 
capacitive load that causes overcharges on a control line.
this only happens with all 8 or 9 chip SIMMs.
and it becomes worse when hot or when in BrotherSync.
when very bad, it can cause crashes
  (amazing huh? that bug was really hard to find... :-).
This can be fixed by replacing any one or two SIMMs (even with a 
8chip one of another brand) or by adding a little capacitor of 22pF 
between pin 8 and 10 of DECLOOP PAL.

>On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:05:29 -0800, Ronan Chris Murphy
><looper@venetowest.com> wrote:
>
>>  Does any one know what might cause glitches in an Gibson EDP with
>>  Loop4? I have removed all the possible variables and it comes down the
>>  EDP generating the noise. Since it becomes part of the loop, it is not
>>  on output. I have also run test being very conservative with levels, so
>>  it is not related to digital overs. This happens anytime I have been
>>  playing for at least 5 or 10 minutes.
>
>>


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If it syncs to a MIDI clock and let's you do stereo
loops of a pre defined length, I'm interested.

Mark

--- Jeff Larson <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> wrote:

> Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>  > sounds like there's voodoo involved with this
> pedal....."things will
>  > change and you don't even need to press a
> button".....wonderful!*
> 
>  From what I've read, this doesn't sound especially
> complicated, though
> they certainly like to boast about this "patent
> pending" technology.
> 
> You set a threshold and what amounts to a beat
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> Keep a running
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> though it's harder of course to accurately determine
> where the
> audio beats are.
> 
> I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately
> with some space
> between the notes it should do a pretty good job. 
> But this isn't
> going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop
> the intro to
> The Black Page.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 

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Well, maybe it's like a boomerang with MIDI control and trigger
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> It seems to lack any features that I want but, I do own an EDP and am
hoping
> Mobius will be the next phase for me. To me it seems more like a Boomerang
> and at the price there listing it would be worth it if you don't want any
> glitch capabilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:55 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>
> Maybe someone should pop an email over to the website and invite them to
> join the group?
>
> ~peace~
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> www.michaelplishka.com
>
> Quoting Tom Combs <tcombs@sep.com>:
>
> > That was kind of what I was thinking.  The fact that it's marketed as
> > "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff box.  I'm sure it isn't
> > designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths automatically.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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What new loop pedal are y'all talking about ,all I've seen is re: new loop 
pedal


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mark sottilaro wrote:
 > If it syncs to a MIDI clock and let's you do stereo
 > loops of a pre defined length, I'm interested.

It does stereo but I don't believe it syncs to MIDI clock or let you
predefine loop length, at least not very well.

I skimmed the manual, it says that the loop time can be defined with
MIDI start (FA) and stop (FC) messages.  But nowhere does it say that
it responds to MIDI clocks.  It will SEND them to a drum machine but
it does not receive them.  So if you were controlling this with a
sequencer I would expect the sequencer and the loop to gradually go
out of sync since they are not sharing the same clock.  Setting the
length with MIDI stop seems a bit odd anyway, if the goal is to have a
sequencer and the looper be in sync, you'd have to start the sequencer
again after you stopped it to define the loop length, I couldn't
determine whether this second MIDI start will start the loop over
again.  Basically, they're either explaining this badly or it isn't
going to work very well.

You can also make it sync with an audio signal that is different
than the main signal (e.g. a click track) but then you lose stereo.
One channel is the sync signal, the other the main signal.  But again
this only defines the initial loop length, once defined it runs to
it's own internal clock.

It seems to be designed to control a drum machine/sequencer,
not be controlled by one.

Predefining loop length seems to be the antithesis of what this
box is all about.  It is supposed to figure out the loop length
freeing you from pre defining it or setting it manually.  You can
set it up to end the loop by pressing the button a second time, but
it still quantizes the actual end to what it thinks is the "beat".
The only place I could see where you have absolute control over
the loop length is with MIDI start/stop messages.

Jeff

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That's what I like about this box. It isn't a "me too" thing.   It 
*appears* there is an extra focus on the triggering controls, so 
learning how diffent types of playing or instruments work best with a 
specific setting would be the thing.  And their patch architecure looks 
intriguing. All of this meaning nothing if it wasn't stompbox sized.

Not a replacement for EDP but an adjunct, I'm curious!

NG

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David Kirkdorffer wrote:
> Well, maybe it's like a boomerang with MIDI control and trigger
> capabilities.

The most interesting thing to me are the many "operating modes"
which define things like how many times to repeat the loop,
when to apply feedback, when to do overdubs, when to start
a new loop, all with very minimal footswitch taps.

To draw a parallel with the EDP, it's roughly like having a sequence
of footswitch presses performed automatically, with timing adjusted
to the length of the loop.  This can be convenient, but I'm guessing
that it restricts you to a certain style of loop building, if you
want to deviate from what it does you would have to select another
mode and it isn't clear whether you can freely change modes
while the loop is playing.

Jeff

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I kind of miss my Boomerang.  I sold it a couple of
years ago on eBay.  Definitely fun and high on the
ease-of-use scale.  My only beef with it was the
degredation of the sound quality as your loop goes on.

=)  Thoooose werrre theeee daayyyyyys...

Mike

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> capabilities.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Kroeger" <nospam@akroeger.com>
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> 
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> > It seems to lack any features that I want but, I
> do own an EDP and am
> hoping
> > Mobius will be the next phase for me. To me it
> seems more like a Boomerang
> > and at the price there listing it would be worth
> it if you don't want any
> > glitch capabilities.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike@michaelplishka.com
> [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:55 PM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> >
> > Maybe someone should pop an email over to the
> website and invite them to
> > join the group?
> >
> > ~peace~
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > www.michaelplishka.com
> >
> > Quoting Tom Combs <tcombs@sep.com>:
> >
> > > That was kind of what I was thinking.  The fact
> that it's marketed as
> > > "Riff"Box implies that it's just that - a riff
> box.  I'm sure it isn't
> > > designed to cut drone loops to precise lengths
> automatically.
> > >
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At 1:50 PM -0800 3/3/05, samba - wrote:
>What new loop pedal are y'all talking about ,all I've seen is re: 
>new loop pedal

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David,
Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next month I am taking off to=20
Italy to do more work on Willie's new album, but the next album will=20
have looping on it!! (so this is not totally OT) Same King Crimson=20
rhythm section etc, but a very different album; more textural combining=20=

a lot of my soundscapes style work.

Speaking of going over to Italy, I will also be doing a little bit of=20
touring in North Italy with my looping/soundscapes project "Lives of=20
the Saints" for the last 3 weeks of April. If there is any one on this=20=

list in North or Central Italy that wants to try and do some shows=20
together let me know. I have a few things lined up but would be=20
interested in a couple more.

Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,=20
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the=20=

art and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &=20
Cher)

On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:43 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

> This has been a Ronan Chris Murphy day! :-)=A0
>  =A0
> =A0
> =A0
> Willie Oteri Album With Some Well Known Players
> =A0
> We're proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It=20
> features some players whose names you may have heard!
> =A0
> Mike Keneally: Organ, Fender Rhodes; Tony Levin: Bass, Whistle; Pat=20
> Mastelotto: Drums; Ephram Zimolest Owens: Trumpet; Ronan Chris Murphy:=20=

> Fender Rhodes; Willie Oteri: Guitar
> =A0
> Review by Bruce Stringer
> Produced, recorded and mixed by Ronan Chris Murphy, "Spiral Out" is an=20=

> extension of the improvisational outings that made acts like John=20
> McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony Williams Lifetime, King=20
> Crimson and even Frank Zappa the uniquely memorable experience that=20
> made musical history. Whatever is in Willie Oteri's water, I think=20
> it's high time that it was poured into the two dimensional cesspool=20
> which is what some of the homogenized and pasteurized modern music=20
> industry has become today. Gone are the walls of conformity and the=20
> limitations of clich=E9d musical formats. What this stripped down=20
> skeleton of raw musical talent leaves us is pure musical spontaneity.=20=

> This is pure back brain music with a brilliant cast. Tony Levin=20
> crosses the sound waves with skin maestro Pat Mastelotto and keys man=20=

> Mike Keneally, all the while allowing Willie's guitar madness to take=20=

> off and to subtly lay a musical platform for the Miles-esque trumpet=20=

> of Ephraim Owens. Production genius, Murphy, is also released onto the=20=

> recording with some Rhodes piano playing proving that music can once=20=

> again allow the 'spirit of adventure' breathe through it.
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David,

Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next month I am taking off to
Italy to do more work on Willie's new album, but the next album will
have looping on it!! (so this is not totally OT) Same King Crimson
rhythm section etc, but a very different album; more textural
combining a lot of my soundscapes style work.


Speaking of going over to Italy, I will also be doing a little bit of
touring in North Italy with my looping/soundscapes project "Lives of
the Saints" for the last 3 weeks of April. If there is any one on this
list in North or Central Italy that wants to try and do some shows
together let me know. I have a few things lined up but would be
interested in a couple more.


<smaller><x-tad-smaller>Ronan Chris Murphy

www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )

www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>

</x-tad-smaller></smaller>

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<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>This
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=A0

=A0

<italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Willie
Oteri Album With Some Well Known =
Players</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></italic></excerpt><excerpt>=


=A0

<italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>We're
proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It features
some players whose names you may have =
heard!</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></italic></excerpt><excerpt>

=A0

<italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Mike
Keneally: Organ, Fender Rhodes; Tony Levin: Bass, Whistle; Pat
Mastelotto: Drums; Ephram Zimolest Owens:
</x-tad-smaller><bold><x-tad-smaller>Trumpet; Ronan Chris
Murphy</x-tad-smaller></bold><x-tad-smaller>: Fender Rhodes; Willie
Oteri: =
Guitar</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></italic></excerpt><excerpt>

=A0

<italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Review
by Bruce =
Stringer</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></italic></excerpt><excerpt=
>

=
<bold><italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Prod=
uced,
recorded and mixed by Ronan Chris
=
Murphy</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></italic></bold><italic><font=
family><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>,
"Spiral Out" is an extension of the improvisational outings that made
acts like John McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony Williams
Lifetime, King Crimson and even Frank Zappa the uniquely memorable
experience that made musical history. Whatever is in Willie Oteri's
water, I think it's high time that it was poured into the two
dimensional cesspool which is what some of the homogenized and
pasteurized modern music industry has become today. Gone are the walls
of conformity and the limitations of clich=E9d musical formats. What
this stripped down skeleton of raw musical talent leaves us is pure
musical spontaneity. This is pure back brain music with a brilliant
cast. Tony Levin crosses the sound waves with skin maestro Pat
Mastelotto and keys man Mike Keneally, all the while allowing Willie's
guitar madness to take off and to subtly lay a musical platform for
the Miles-esque trumpet of Ephraim Owens. Production genius, Murphy,
is also released onto the recording with some Rhodes piano playing
proving that music can once again allow the 'spirit of adventure'
breathe through =
it.</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></italic></excerpt><excerpt>

=A0

=A0

=A0

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Hey Everyone,

Thanks for all the advice (on the list and off). The problem was indeed
with the memory. Using only two SIMMs I was able to swap out memory
until the problem went away completely. I was able to run a loop for 4
hours with no problems. Much better than the usual 3-4 minutes I
previously could get away with.
Thanks
RCM

Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, 
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the 
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www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & 
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Hey Everyone,


Thanks for all the advice (on the list and off). The problem was indeed

with the memory. Using only two SIMMs I was able to swap out memory

until the problem went away completely. I was able to run a loop for 4

hours with no problems. Much better than the usual 3-4 minutes I

previously could get away with.

Thanks

RCM


<smaller>Ronan Chris Murphy

www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )

www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)</smaller>
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...do you mean the tape catridges used in the old echoplexes and Space 
Echos?  If so, try Fulltone.  They make a new tape delay and amnufacture 
their own replacement tape loop cartridges.

Max

>From: Old Hadley <jason@woodpussy.org>
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>Hello all. I'm in Los Angeles and I just went on an all day goose chase 
>looking for 12 minute loop tapes for use in a sculpture I'm building. Does 
>anyone know where I can find tapes in L.A. ??
>Thanks in advance,
>Jason
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Hi there. The GT-6 seemed really promising and when you see what it can do
on paper it's mind blowing but tone wise it seems to me to be quite awful.
Quite often I hear of FX processors which sound like they could do what I
want but when it really comes down to it they don't really deliver. Is the
GT-8 an exception? Are the distortions/overdrives/pre's really that much
better. It does sound fantastic in print.

 

Cheers

Woz

 

  _____  

From: Mizuho@aol.com [mailto:Mizuho@aol.com] 
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I could not agree with you more!
The GT-8 is mind blowing.
Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is
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Just reporting in--
I had a job tonight playing music with a quartet--for those of you who have
seen A Mighty Wind, I was flashing to the end of that movie, as this gig was
strolling at a Urology Trade show in San Diego at the Sheraton Harbor Island
(by the airport)--hey, it's a gig--however we didn't play "Sure-Flow" the
catheter song--but I digress . . .
Just before the gig, I got a call from a music pal, who was suffering
vocally and needed a last minute fill in for a four hour lounge gig at a
Radisson (by UCSD, and the VA Hospital).  I agreed to do it, but only had my
acoustic guitar with me--but fortunately, also my portable loop pedals in
the van!
I had to scurry, so all I used was the RC-20, but it made filling the moment
so much easier--if I played fingerstyle (where are ya Larry?) less gear
might be required--but boy am I glad I had it with me.  So this new pedal
does sound intriguing--80 seconds of mono looping is just about long enough!
Gary


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My big beef with Roland is the digital processing--you know it when you hear
it--and it gets in the way--'course I still haven't sold the GP-16, and it
produced the same effect (not a pun)--also still have the GT-3 (hi Doug!)
G

From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] 
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   Urology trade show? How'd you hook that?


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I'll be in Iceland from May 29 through June 3 with free time while my 
partner attends the International Viola Society Congress in 
Reykjavik. Is there any electroacoustic music or other such goings on 
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Hi, Ronan,=20
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april.

Fabio
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ronan Chris Murphy=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:00 AM
  Subject: Re: EDP Glitches?


  David,
  Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next month I am taking off to =
Italy to do more work on Willie's new album, but the next album will =
have looping on it!! (so this is not totally OT) Same King Crimson =
rhythm section etc, but a very different album; more textural combining =
a lot of my soundscapes style work.

  Speaking of going over to Italy, I will also be doing a little bit of =
touring in North Italy with my looping/soundscapes project "Lives of the =
Saints" for the last 3 weeks of April. If there is any one on this list =
in North or Central Italy that wants to try and do some shows together =
let me know. I have a few things lined up but would be interested in a =
couple more.

  Ronan Chris Murphy
  www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, =
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
  www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the =
art and craft of recording )
  www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & =
Cher)

  On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:43 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:


    This has been a Ronan Chris Murphy day! :-)=20



    =20
    =20
    Willie Oteri Album With Some Well Known Players

    =20
    We're proud to announce SPIRAL OUT by Willie Oteri to the shop. It =
features some players whose names you may have heard!

    =20
    Mike Keneally: Organ, Fender Rhodes; Tony Levin: Bass, Whistle; Pat =
Mastelotto: Drums; Ephram Zimolest Owens: Trumpet; Ronan Chris Murphy: =
Fender Rhodes; Willie Oteri: Guitar

    =20
    Review by Bruce Stringer

    Produced, recorded and mixed by Ronan Chris Murphy, "Spiral Out" is =
an extension of the improvisational outings that made acts like John =
McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony Williams Lifetime, King =
Crimson and even Frank Zappa the uniquely memorable experience that made =
musical history. Whatever is in Willie Oteri's water, I think it's high =
time that it was poured into the two dimensional cesspool which is what =
some of the homogenized and pasteurized modern music industry has become =
today. Gone are the walls of conformity and the limitations of clich=E9d =
musical formats. What this stripped down skeleton of raw musical talent =
leaves us is pure musical spontaneity. This is pure back brain music =
with a brilliant cast. Tony Levin crosses the sound waves with skin =
maestro Pat Mastelotto and keys man Mike Keneally, all the while =
allowing Willie's guitar madness to take off and to subtly lay a musical =
platform for the Miles-esque trumpet of Ephraim Owens. Production =
genius, Murphy, is also released onto the recording with some Rhodes =
piano playing proving that music can once again allow the 'spirit of =
adventure' breathe through it.

    =20
    =20
    =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>Fabio</FONT></DIV>
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Glitches?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>David,<BR>Very kind of you to post this plug ;-) Next =
month I=20
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next=20
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Crimson=20
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combining a lot=20
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I will=20
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of=20
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Chucho=20
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Sonny &amp;=20
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>I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space
>between the notes it should do a pretty good job.  But this isn't
>going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to
>The Black Page.

I think it's much worse than that.
Presumably you can only do rhythms which are predominantly on the beat.
(and any clave rhythm would be out of the question).

It also seems that you either have to set the "number of notes (called 
"events") in advance,
or alternatively you have to play on the first beat of playback.

Surely guitarists will buy this because it says "easy" a lot in the 
publicity and then be totally baffled by it.

This is the Spinal Tap looper.


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--- samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
>    Urology trade show? How'd you hook that?

Maybe he sent them a demo including covers of
Catheter's Clown, Urine the Money, Golden Slumbers
with a slight lyrical change and a Urethra Franklin
medley?  I hear they tried to get a Stones tribute
band, but it was the wrong kind... (Sorry, didn't mean
to piss anyone off, 'twas just a wee, wee joke....)

-t-

ps: I'm off to NYC in a few minutes; anything of
loop-interest going on there between tonight and next Wednesday?

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I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a couple of Echoplexes in a gear rack.
 
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Woz wrote "...tonewise it seems to be quite awful..." (Full text of his message below) I'll describe my experience with the GT-3, GT-6 and GT-8. Your experience may vary. I use the GT-3 almost exclusively for it's tone-altering possibilities - filters, synthy tones, volume swells/chops, short delays, etc. - and NOT for its ability to recreate "vintage and boutique tone." However, I recognize that a huge market exists for just this application. I've found the GT-3 to be good - not great - at simulating different amp models. If I were choosing a multi-fx pedal for tube amp simulation only, I'd probably grab a Pod, Vox, or Digitech over the GT-3. 

I reviewed the GT-6 when it first came out, and I found the amp sims to be improved from the GT-3, and the addition of knobs for instant tweaking was a plus.When I tested the GT-8 (all too quickly, I'm afraid, due to my magazine's deadline) I was immediately impressed with how much better still the amp simulations sounded. They were expressive, textured, and varied. I didn't have the time to directly compare the GT-8 amps to the GT-6 (owned by a friend), but I was confident that I was hearing some really good, complex tone. The problem with the GT-8 factory presets is that they lard on too many effects. The unit will sound good, even impressive, in a music store with a high background noise level, but when you get it home, the amount of excess reverb and delay can be daunting. But again, I must say that the GT-8, even with its cotton-candy spiderwebs of reverb and delay, sounded like the preamp modeling was amazingly better than my GT-3. 

The GT-8 has something like 40-plus effects, configurable in ANY order. This feature alone is a recipe for sonic heaven or hell. You can get some real crap from a poorly-thought-out chain of effects that has too many high-gain stages, too much noise gating, a couple of EQs fighting each other, and a poor choice of output. But you can also get some wildly improbable bits of sonic heaven. Again, I must rave about the ring modulator (which has just one preset from Boss, a pretty grim out-of-tune setting). The ring mod will easily stand up to a unit like the Moogerfooger AND its intelligent mode (which allows the ring mod oscillator to track parallel to the pitch of the input) will blow the Moogerfooger away. 

I believe it's possible to plug into the GT-8 for a few minutes, scroll through some presets, and dismiss the unit, particularly if you're a dyed-in-the-wool tube amp user. The GT-8 is light, small, and full of features that aren't apparent just by looking at the front panel, way down at your feet. Trad tube amp users will (consciously or not) be turned off by the lack of heat generated by the unit, the tiny LCD window near their toes, the need for an outboard amp and speaker, and a large and dryly-written owners' manual.

BTW, and to add some topic relevancy, the GT-8 has some wicked cool delay and reverb settings. Not a lot of memory (up to 1.8 seconds of delay) but the dual delays can be configured in series or parallel, it's got the reverse delay (with NO real-time signal if you wish), and it's got a phrase sampler (up to 2.8 seconds, if I recall). The reverbs can generate up to ten seconds of "tail" with remarkable quality. Toss a hint of phaser or flanger after that ten-second cloud and you've got instant Steve Roach, baby!

So I am curious, Woz, as to what it is that you want an FX processor to do, and what you are currently using - if anything?

Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Woz 
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:04 AM
  Subject: RE: Boss GT-8 and GT-Pro (was Re: Digitech GNX4)


  Hi there. The GT-6 seemed really promising and when you see what it can do on paper it's mind blowing but tone wise it seems to me to be quite awful. Quite often I hear of FX processors which sound like they could do what I want but when it really comes down to it they don't really deliver. Is the GT-8 an exception? Are the distortions/overdrives/pre's really that much better. It does sound fantastic in print.

   

  Cheers

  Woz

   


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  I could not agree with you more!
  The GT-8 is mind blowing.
  Just blow off the presets and build form the ground up and anything is possible.


  Bill

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"This is the Spinal Tap looper."

Maybe, but it *is* expensive (hee hee!)... if I had $400 burning a hole in my pocket (yeah, right!), I'd rather get the Manecolooper or a Boomerang.

~Tim



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>I would imagine that if you play 4/4 rock accurately with some space
>between the notes it should do a pretty good job.  But this isn't
>going to help you set up an eBow drone loop, or loop the intro to
>The Black Page.

I think it's much worse than that.
Presumably you can only do rhythms which are predominantly on the beat.
(and any clave rhythm would be out of the question).

It also seems that you either have to set the "number of notes (called 
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or alternatively you have to play on the first beat of playback.

Surely guitarists will buy this because it says "easy" a lot in the 
publicity and then be totally baffled by it.

This is the Spinal Tap looper.


andy butler



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A few weeks back I very quickly threw a lead over a drum machine to show 
someone the GT-8 could be tweaked to sound very smooth.
I have since improved the sound 100% but this old clip will show you it can 
sound very tube like.
I have to make some new clips


http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/Members/000000562_000025538.mp3


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Thanks for sharing Bill... sounded great.

Plan on upgrading from the GT-3 to the 8 very shortly.

cheers
LOU



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>A few weeks back I very quickly threw a lead over a drum machine to show
>someone the GT-8 could be tweaked to sound very smooth.
>I have since improved the sound 100% but this old clip will show you it can
>sound very tube like.
>I have to make some new clips
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So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord for hours upon
end.... :)

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I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a couple
of Echoplexes in a gear rack.
 
"Willie"



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So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord for hours upon
end.... :)

************************************************************************
**************
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com <http://www.krispenhartung.com/> 
info@krispenhartung.com
View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
m#videos
Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm


-----Original Message-----
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I saw Yanni in Atlanta last week and I could have sworn I saw a couple
of Echoplexes in a gear rack.
 
"Willie"



  _____  

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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050303.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on
Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet.

                    Show #415                    March 3, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on American Ambient master 
Steve Roach.
The Featured CD at Midnight was "Places Beyond: The Lost Pieces 4" on 
Steve's own
Timeroom Editions label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Bhakti Point" by Richard Burmer on 
Fortuna
Records released in 1987.

Steve Roach - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
================================
11:00 pm
Richard Burmer          Bhakti Point             Bhakti Point (Fortuna)
John Lakveet            Nihil-ibuster            The Force of Reason 
(Groove)
Arcane                  The Taxidermist          33 1/3 RPM (NeuHarmony)
Ozone Player            Whatever Happened to     Frozen Paint On Boiling 
Canvas
                        the Emperor's Old Clothes?                 
(Visual Power)
vidnaObmana             Cycle of Agony           Legacy (Relapse)
VA [Radio Massacre      Sherwood's Special       Awakenings (AmbientLive)
  International]
Maitreya                Subterranean             Telluric Waves (Council 
of Nine)

12:00 am
Steve Roach             Distant Signals          Places Beyond (Timeroom 
Ed.)
Steve Roach             Trancefusion             Places Beyond (Timeroom 
Ed.)
Steve Roach             Serpent's Birth          Places Beyond (Timeroom 
Ed.)
Steve Roach             Resolution Point         Places Beyond (Timeroom 
Ed.)
Steve Roach             Calm Before the Storm    Places Beyond (Timeroom 
Ed.)
Steve Roach             Slow Rapture             Places Beyond (Timeroom 
Ed.)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live Archive" by Steve Roach and 
vidnaObmana on
the Groove Unlimited label.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Dune" by Klaus Schulze on Brain 
Records
from 1979.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
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WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for February, 2005.
Shows #411 to #414; 3-February-2005 to 24-February-2005
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
Compiled by Bill Fox
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ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
===========================================================
Arcane - 33 1/3 RPM - NeuHarmony
Ben Cox - On Water - Lotuspike
Darshan Ambient - Autumn's Apple - Lotuspike
Hammock - Kenotic - none
Hemisphere - From Inside the Cyclone - Groove
Hemisphere - Rambling Voyage - Groove
Janet Robbins - Carrying the Bag of Hearts - Star 7
John Lakveet - The Force of Reason - Groove
Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock and Friends - Psychedelic Breakfast - Heart and Mind
Klaus Schulze - Dreams - InsideOut
Klaus Schulze - Le Moulin De Daudet - InsideOut
Klaus Schulze - Mirage - InsideOut
Klaus Schulze - X - InsideOut
N-Tribe - Tower of Power - Groove
Paul Goodman - Six Computer Tapes 1982-1999 - none
Streamline - Beyond the Horizon - none
Various Artists - Awakenings 2005 - none
Various Artists - E-dition Sampler #6 - Groove
Various Artists - To the Sky and Beyond the Stars - Quantum
vidnaObmana - Legacy - Relapse

Bill
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Hi
I am looking for a small software that can transform keystrokes into other
keystrokes, while running in the background.
I have a usb notepad on my main keyboard that I use for Cubase and Reason,
but Reason won't let you configure most of the key shortcuts.
Such a program would be quite useful as my laptop is not very easy to reach
in my studio.
I got the Bome midi translator, which is already quite handy, as it can
transform midi into keystrokes, but a keystroke to keystroke translator
would be brilliant.
Cheers

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I was sent this and I thought it may be of interest to some readers of =
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Mixere is a free, open-source Windows application for mixing audio
files.  It has a simple, spreadsheet-like interface that's optimized
for live performance, and especially for making live sound collage.

Mixere's features include:
* dynamic looping and triggering of audio
* fully automated sliders
* "soft" (gradual) mute/solo operations
* crossfading between documents
* snapshots
* unlimited undo

Mixere runs on Windows NT/2000/XP, and supports WAV, AIFF, MP3, Ogg
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>>Surely guitarists will buy this because it says "easy" a lot in the 
publicity and then be totally baffled by it.<<

I think it's the sort of thing my guitarist would understand instantly, but that I would struggle with for days before placing it carefully in the growing pile of other dust-magnets..... a bit too left-brain for me, that UI.

it also raises the issue of where the main tempo control resides in one's band. for my guitarist, this again would be no problem. he hates playing along with anybody else, & works with me & the drummer under sufferance. this is especially noticeable when we are using midi sequencers aswell as live drums, & he's trying to do manuel gottsching-type echo arpeggios into his jam-man using a tap-tempo dl4 in front. hopeless. he'd love to be able to do what he does in his other band, which is to say he runs the tempo. & the drummer & bass player just have to try to keep up.

if we bought one of these, he might be able to do that. but then he & the drummer would probably kill each other.

I suspect this box is (intentionally or no) ideal for the lead-guitarist-who-wants-to-run-everything scenario. so far as I can see, it will export a midi clock but not respond to one, & then there's this weird behaviour (which can only be defeated under certain operational strictures) of sending starts & stops to the synced device whenever a record or play op is initiated. very odd. even the reissue EH doesn't do that.

this, of course, is all academic hot air if the thing can't do what it says vis a vis copping a reliable pulse from audio input. if it was that easy ("patent applied for", they say...) then we'd be surrounded by echo pedals cleverer than apollo 11 was. the repeater doesn't make a great job of it..... 

if there's a hint of bitterness about this, it's because I own a kahler human-clock..... I've yet to see an account of one of those strange puppies being used on-stage. anyone want to buy it? it is just about good enough to take a kick-drum from a multitrack & give you a reasonable stripe, so remixers would get some mileage.... but really kahler should've stuck to making whammy systems.

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Surely guitarists will buy this because it says &=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think it's the sort of thing my guitarist would underst=
and instantly, but that I would struggle with for days before placing it ca=
refully in the growing pile of other dust-magnets..... a bit too left-brain=
 for me, that UI.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>it also raises the issue of where the main tempo control =
resides in one's band. for my guitarist, this again would be no problem. he=
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equencers aswell as live drums, &amp; he's trying to do manuel gottsching-t=
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s. he'd love to be able to do what he does in his other band, which is to s=
ay he runs the tempo. &amp; the drummer &amp; bass player just have to try =
to keep up.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>if we bought one of these, he might be able to do that. b=
ut then he &amp; the drummer would probably kill each other.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I suspect this box is (intentionally or no) ideal for the=
 lead-guitarist-who-wants-to-run-everything scenario. so far as I can see, =
it will export a midi clock but not respond to one, &amp; then there's this=
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ctures) of sending starts &amp; stops to the synced device whenever a recor=
d or play op is initiated. very odd. even the reissue EH doesn't do that.</=
FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>this, of course, is all academic hot air if the thing can=
't do what it says vis a vis copping a reliable pulse from audio input. if =
it was that easy (&quot;patent applied for&quot;, they say...) then we'd be=
 surrounded by echo pedals cleverer than apollo 11 was. the repeater doesn'=
t make a great job of it..... </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>if there's a hint of bitterness about this, it's because =
I own a kahler human-clock..... I've yet to see an account of one of those =
strange puppies being used on-stage. anyone want to buy it? it is just abou=
t good enough to take a kick-drum from a multitrack &amp; give you a reason=
able stripe, so remixers would get some mileage.... but really kahler shoul=
d've stuck to making whammy systems.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>:-)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan/r.m.i.</FONT>
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goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
> I suspect this box is (intentionally or no) ideal for the 
> lead-guitarist-who-wants-to-run-everything scenario. 

It will probably turn up in a lot of hotel lounges where
"one man band" acts wow audiences of drunk business
travelers looping 12 bar blues solos.  Not that there's
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On Mar 4, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
> So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord  for hours 
> upon end.... :)

yes.

i know _i_ did.

in fact, sometimes i sleep in my studio on my couch, and let a 16 
second loop in the PCM-80 "cook" overnight.

often those loops are in the c major scale, key center of a or c or f

and *gasp* sometimes they involve a C major chord too!

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>>It will probably turn up in a lot of hotel lounges where
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travelers looping 12 bar blues solos.  Not that there's
anything wrong with that.<<

woah! if it's reliable enough! I wouldn't want to be the first person to go "on stage" on my own with this technology.... but then again, we've all taken that kind of risk at some time, haven't we?

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;It will probably turn up in a lot of hotel lounge=
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  Nothing personal but if someone is running the tempo,and the bass and 
drums have to keep up the group isn't in the groove. A gig would have to be 
really juicy,or worthwhile in some way for me to put up with what you're 
describing.The "leader" would really have to deliver the goods musically or 
financially.I  played in a band with a singer who could do full on James 
Brown,Otis Redding,Wilson Picket stuff His own style, with all that sort of 
showmanship -he could work any crowd into a frenzy ,he liked to keep the 
band on a short leash,to keep us mean.When things got to the edge of out of 
control he'd say "hit me" and the drummer hit a snare shot,and the whole 
band would drop in volume and complexity.and start building again-the sort 
of thing that can drive a woman (or a man but I don;t swing that way) or an 
audience totally nuts. It was really,reallyfun ,for awhile But even James 
Brown's bands periodically quit,cause they get tired of the control 
trip.They'd get fined $50.if their shoes weren't shined onstage or for 
making mistakes.
     I want  to have the guitar player ,singer ,dancers ,club owners and all 
such problematic people in the riffomatic,and sit there playing my congas 
while a whole band comes through the speakers.
  Maybe the audience too.Is there a way to incorprate an ATM?


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Well, at least he got to poke a TV star.

Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:On Mar 4, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
> So you can use EDPs to loop the C Major scale and chord  for hours 
> upon end.... :)

yes.

i know _i_ did.

in fact, sometimes i sleep in my studio on my couch, and let a 16 
second loop in the PCM-80 "cook" overnight.

often those loops are in the c major scale, key center of a or c or f

and *gasp* sometimes they involve a C major chord too!

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    Roland Space Echo RE-201on Portland, OR craigslist (No affiliation
    with seller):


http://portland.craigslist.org/msg/62365614.html

David

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Do any of you know of a device that does the following:

It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI
message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to
either

	* send a MIDI message
	* start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop
(!))

And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software.

The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm
currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical
flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I want
something to continue "in the beat".

	Rainer

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At the Y2K4 live looping festival, Bob Rice did a set with Richard Zvonar.
Bob has worked with e.g. Frank Zappa, Lyle Mays, Chick Corea.
Apparently, his USP is to have two identical set-ups running simultaneously.
So when one fails he switches to the other and starts fixing the first which
then functions as the backup for the second.
Maybe you can use a second laptop as a backup which periodically
synchronizes with the first?
You would feed the output of both laptops into a switchable MIDI box, like
MIDIman/M-Audio 3X8 MIDI through box - which is a box that will take the
signals sent to three different inputs, and then route them to the eight
outputs
using physical three-way switches located on each of the eight output
channels, which can be altered by hand, on the fly.
When Laptop #1 crashes, you flick the switch, now feeding MIDI from Laptop
#2

Bernhard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
> Sent: Samstag, 5. Marz 2005 12:26
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> Subject: wanted: MIDI watchdog
>
>
> Do any of you know of a device that does the following:
>
> It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI
> message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to
> either
>
> 	* send a MIDI message
> 	* start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop
> (!))
>
> And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software.
>
> The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm
> currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical
> flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I want
> something to continue "in the beat".
>
> 	Rainer
>

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Dear Rainer,
   Hi. I have been running laptops for about 5 years now and have never once
had a crash. I use Winbook. They are out if Columbus, Ohio. I was just
telling someone the other day as to how I will not ever own anymore desktops
(PC's), because these are so bomb proof. Please don't misunderstand me. I
may not be using it for the exact same thing as you, but I do steel design
and drawings in it and these are usually real hard on a computer. I do a
Yamaha Tyros keyboard program in it and other music programs. This laptop is
loaded up pretty good with programs. It is my on the road computer. I hope
this helped you out some.

In God's loving service,
Bob


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Do any of you know of a device that does the following:

It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI
message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to
either

	* send a MIDI message
	* start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop
(!))

And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software.

The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm
currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical
flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I want
something to continue "in the beat".

	Rainer

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Unfortunately, for this I'd need another laptop (not cheap) with MIDI
interface and an independent MIDI merge/patchbay. I did however come up
with another solution:

The setup for the event consists of:
	* Laptop (running Live!)
	* Waldorf Q
	* Roland MC-505
	* Behringer FCB1010
	* other Stuff (not relevant here)

Concentrating on the relevant core of the setup, MIDI runs like this:

Laptop Out: to Waldorf Q In

Waldorf Q Out: to MC505 In
Waldorf Q Thru: to other stuff

MC505 Out/Thru: to Behringer

Behringer Out/Thru: to Laptop

The MC505 is set to slave to clock.

Now comes the tricky part:
The Q syncronizes its internal clock to the clock at the MIDI in and
sends the internal clock at the out. Now in the normal case (i.e. laptop
is running), the Q syncs the internal clock to the laptop and sends the
internal clock (which is identical to the laptop clock) to the MC505. In
the event of a laptop crash, the Q will no longer receive a clock at the
input, so it continues to send the now free-running internal clock which
runs at the tempo and in the phase it last synced to! So all I have to
do to have at least a beat going is to always have the MC505 drum along
and in case of a crash just unmute the respective channels!

Everyone should design their devices like Waldorf did.

	Rainer 

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At the Y2K4 live looping festival, Bob Rice did a set with Richard
Zvonar. Bob has worked with e.g. Frank Zappa, Lyle Mays, Chick Corea.
Apparently, his USP is to have two identical set-ups running
simultaneously. So when one fails he switches to the other and starts
fixing the first which then functions as the backup for the second.
Maybe you can use a second laptop as a backup which periodically
synchronizes with the first? You would feed the output of both laptops
into a switchable MIDI box, like MIDIman/M-Audio 3X8 MIDI through box -
which is a box that will take the signals sent to three different
inputs, and then route them to the eight outputs using physical
three-way switches located on each of the eight output channels, which
can be altered by hand, on the fly. When Laptop #1 crashes, you flick
the switch, now feeding MIDI from Laptop #2

Bernhard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
> Sent: Samstag, 5. Marz 2005 12:26
> To: Looper's Delight Mailing List
> Subject: wanted: MIDI watchdog
>
>
> Do any of you know of a device that does the following:
>
> It will react to a lack of MIDI clock (or a lack of a defined MIDI 
> message recurring regularily) and when this event occurs, start to 
> either
>
> 	* send a MIDI message
> 	* start to play something itself (i.e. cheap drum machine, loop
> (!))
>
> And it should be cheap! And it shouldn't be a piece of software.
>
> The idea behind this. I don't trust in laptops. With the setup I'm 
> currently about to create, situations are imaginable where the musical

> flow will be endangered when the laptop crashes. So if it fails, I 
> want something to continue "in the beat".
>
> 	Rainer
>

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Didn't Waldorf go out of business?


On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:47:45 +0100, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar
Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:



> Everyone should design their devices like Waldorf did.
> 
>         Rainer

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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050305.html

I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic,
ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other 
genres.  The
show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the
internet.  I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                    Show #63                    March 5, 2005.

During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the series of 
CDs from
Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series.


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
VA [Syndromeda &        The Secret of the Tribe  Truth of Dare (Groove)
  Harold]
VA [Johannes & Rene]    Limits of Investigation  Truth of Dare (Groove)
VA [James & Kees]       Surfacing from Beyond    Truth of Dare (Groove)
VA [Ron, Harold, Mario  Aliennation              Truth of Dare (Groove)
  & Detlef]
VA [Ian & Norman]       23:59                    Truth of Dare (Groove)


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
Byron Metcalf           Preparation Pulse        The Shaman's Heart (Dr. 
Bam's)
Kitaro                  Shining Spirit of Water  Sacred Journey of 
Ku-Kai Vol. 2
                                                   (Domo)
Kitaro                  As the Wind Blows        Sacred Journey of 
Ku-Kai Vol. 2
                                                   (Domo)
Dov                     Summer Rain              Journey to Eden (Lovestar)
Eric Roberts            The River Runs           In a Silent Place (none)
Kayanis                 Ellie                    Machines and Dreams 
(Hardbeat)


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
Far Corner              Something Out There      Far Corner (Cuneiform)
Forever Einstein        There's some milk in the Racket Science (Cuneiform)
                        fridge that's about to go bad... And there it goes
James LaBrie            Freak                    Elements of Persuation
                                                   (InsideOut)
Arena                   Opera Fanatica           Pepper's Ghost (InsideOut)


 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 19.

On the next show, I will continue the special on the series of CDs from 
Groove
Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series.

Bill
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Hey EDP gurus

I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  I've 
tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present even 
when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss is not 
present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second 
press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away when I set 
the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.

My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately 
or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal behavior for 
the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the 
looping community.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom

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My EDP is the same way.

Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.

I've accepted the hiss.

-J



Tom Combs wrote:
> Hey EDP gurus
> 
> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  I've 
> tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present even 
> when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss is not 
> present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second 
> press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away when I set 
> the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
> 
> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately 
> or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal behavior for 
> the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the 
> looping community.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> 

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Improper in what way?  A flaw in the EDP design

 
Jesse Lucas wrote:

>
> My EDP is the same way.
>
> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.
>
> I've accepted the hiss.
>
> -J
>
>
>
> Tom Combs wrote:
>
>> Hey EDP gurus
>>
>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  
>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present 
>> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss 
>> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the 
>> second press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away 
>> when I set the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
>>
>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse 
>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal 
>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being 
>> acceptable to the looping community.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>

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I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs.  It is a slight
annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes
when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser.  Actually, I found
this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss
RC-20 was absolutely silent.  As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you
record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop
starts to play, the hiss comes in.  Sadly, this will probably wear on me
psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping
device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount
looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit
coming out in the market?

The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon
LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both
EDPs, so it's not like one is defective.  I've tried all sorts of
experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output
levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and
running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the
underlying problem.  The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play
very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using
any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a
delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop
it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. 

And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs.  I use Record,
Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I
could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my
EDPs.

I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. 

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**************
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Hey EDP gurus

I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  I've

tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present even 
when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss is not 
present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second 
press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away when I set 
the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.

My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately 
or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal behavior for

the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the 
looping community.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom


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I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs.  It is a slight
annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes
when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser.  Actually, I found
this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss
RC-20 was absolutely silent.  As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you
record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop
starts to play, the hiss comes in.  Sadly, this will probably wear on me
psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping
device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount
looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit
coming out in the market?

The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon
LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both
EDPs, so it's not like one is defective.  I've tried all sorts of
experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output
levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and
running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the
underlying problem.  The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play
very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using
any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a
delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop
it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. 

And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs.  I use Record,
Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I
could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my
EDPs.

I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. 

************************************************************************
**************
Krispen Hartung 
http://www.krispenhartung.com 
info@krispenhartung.com
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http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
m#videos
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-----Original Message-----
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Hey EDP gurus

I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  I've

tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present even 
when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss is not 
present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second 
press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away when I set 
the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.

My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately 
or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal behavior for

the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the 
looping community.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom


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Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem
addressable by hardware or embedded software mods?    Again, it baffles
me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono"
looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old
effect processors. 

Kris

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Improper in what way?  A flaw in the EDP design

 
Jesse Lucas wrote:

>
> My EDP is the same way.
>
> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.
>
> I've accepted the hiss.
>
> -J
>
>
>
> Tom Combs wrote:
>
>> Hey EDP gurus
>>
>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.
>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present 
>> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss 
>> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the 
>> second press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away 
>> when I set the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
>>
>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse
>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal 
>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being 
>> acceptable to the looping community.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>


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Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem
addressable by hardware or embedded software mods?    Again, it baffles
me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono"
looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old
effect processors. 

Kris

-----Original Message-----
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Improper in what way?  A flaw in the EDP design

 
Jesse Lucas wrote:

>
> My EDP is the same way.
>
> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.
>
> I've accepted the hiss.
>
> -J
>
>
>
> Tom Combs wrote:
>
>> Hey EDP gurus
>>
>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.
>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present 
>> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss 
>> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the 
>> second press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away 
>> when I set the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
>>
>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse
>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal 
>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being 
>> acceptable to the looping community.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>


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Tom Combs wrote:
> Improper in what way?  A flaw in the EDP design

No, improper gain staging by the user.

-J


> Jesse Lucas wrote:
> 
>>
>> My EDP is the same way.
>>
>> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.
>>
>> I've accepted the hiss.
>>
>> -J
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Hey EDP gurus
>>>
>>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  
>>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present 
>>> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss 
>>> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the 
>>> second press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away 
>>> when I set the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
>>>
>>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse 
>>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal 
>>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being 
>>> acceptable to the looping community.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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Wow...that's disappointing.  I've been thinking about moving to 
laptop-based loopers (perhaps Mobius or Sooperlooper).  My noisy EDP has 
really been grating on me lately.


Krispen Hartung wrote:

>I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs.  It is a slight
>annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes
>when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser.  Actually, I found
>this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss
>RC-20 was absolutely silent.  As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you
>record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop
>starts to play, the hiss comes in.  Sadly, this will probably wear on me
>psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping
>device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount
>looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit
>coming out in the market?
>
>The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon
>LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both
>EDPs, so it's not like one is defective.  I've tried all sorts of
>experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output
>levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and
>running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the
>underlying problem.  The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play
>very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using
>any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a
>delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop
>it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. 
>
>And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs.  I use Record,
>Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I
>could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my
>EDPs.
>
>I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. 
>
>************************************************************************
>**************
>Krispen Hartung 
>http://www.krispenhartung.com 
>info@krispenhartung.com
>View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
>http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
>m#videos
>Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>
>
>Hey EDP gurus
>
>I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  I've
>
>tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present even 
>when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss is not 
>present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second 
>press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away when I set 
>the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
>
>My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately 
>or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal behavior for
>
>the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the 
>looping community.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
>  
>

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Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem
addressable by hardware or embedded software mods?    Again, it baffles
me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono"
looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old
effect processors. 

Kris

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Improper in what way?  A flaw in the EDP design

 
Jesse Lucas wrote:

>
> My EDP is the same way.
>
> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.
>
> I've accepted the hiss.
>
> -J
>
>
>
> Tom Combs wrote:
>
>> Hey EDP gurus
>>
>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.
>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present 
>> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss 
>> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the 
>> second press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away 
>> when I set the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
>>
>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse
>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal 
>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being 
>> acceptable to the looping community.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>


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I've noticed the same phenomenon with my two EDPs.  It is a slight
annoyance for recording, but I've learned to live with it. Sometimes
when I master my live recordings, I use a de-hisser.  Actually, I found
this hiss very disappointing, given how much EDPs cost...my old Boss
RC-20 was absolutely silent.  As you say, the EDPs are quiet when you
record, then when you hit the record button again and the first loop
starts to play, the hiss comes in.  Sadly, this will probably wear on me
psychologically over time and I'll end up looking for a new looping
device, either computer- based, or some new single, stereo rack mount
looper that comes out.....didn't someone in this list mention a new unit
coming out in the market?

The crazy thing is that I have a rack full of effects, from old Lexicon
LXPs to the VF-1, and none produce a hiss like the EDPs....and it's both
EDPs, so it's not like one is defective.  I've tried all sorts of
experiments as well....higher input levels, higher or lower output
levels on the EDPs, running them in the AUX channel of my board and
running the mix at max, etc, etc...all just ineffective ways to mask the
underlying problem.  The problem is accentuated by the fact that I play
very clean...either acoustic guitar, or jazz guitar clean. I'm not using
any distortion that is noisy to begin with....when I'm playing a
delicate acoustic guitar melody with really low dynamics and then loop
it, that's when the ugly head of HISS is most apparent. 

And I don't even use the full capabilities of the EDPs.  I use Record,
Multiply, Overdub, Mute, and Insert for Reverse....nothing else. If I
could find a single rack stereo unit that did this, I'd sell both of my
EDPs.

I'll be awaiting any clever responses to this thread. 

************************************************************************
**************
Krispen Hartung 
http://www.krispenhartung.com 
info@krispenhartung.com
View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
m#videos
Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm


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Hey EDP gurus

I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  I've

tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present even 
when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss is not 
present while recording, but it appears immediately after the second 
press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away when I set 
the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.

My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse lately 
or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal behavior for

the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being acceptable to the 
looping community.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom


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Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set to 
minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my part?  
The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro.  If there 
were a gain problem associated with the output stage of the EDP, then 
I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not playing..


Jesse Lucas wrote:

> Tom Combs wrote:
>
>> Improper in what way?  A flaw in the EDP design
>
>
> No, improper gain staging by the user.
>
> -J
>
>
>> Jesse Lucas wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My EDP is the same way.
>>>
>>> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.
>>>
>>> I've accepted the hiss.
>>>
>>> -J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Combs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey EDP gurus
>>>>
>>>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.  
>>>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is 
>>>> present even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  
>>>> The hiss is not present while recording, but it appears immediately 
>>>> after the second press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss 
>>>> goes away when I set the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the 
>>>> MIX to loop.
>>>>
>>>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse 
>>>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal 
>>>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being 
>>>> acceptable to the looping community.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to this too...is the problem
addressable by hardware or embedded software mods?    Again, it baffles
me that I've spent close to a thousand dollars a piece on two "mono"
looping units that produces more hiss than my some of my 15 year old
effect processors. 

Kris

-----Original Message-----
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Improper in what way?  A flaw in the EDP design

 
Jesse Lucas wrote:

>
> My EDP is the same way.
>
> Kim, et al claim it's improper gain staging.
>
> I've accepted the hiss.
>
> -J
>
>
>
> Tom Combs wrote:
>
>> Hey EDP gurus
>>
>> I've been experiencing some significant hiss during loop playback.
>> I've tried swapping memory around - no success.  The hiss is present 
>> even when I record a loop with the input level at minimum.  The hiss 
>> is not present while recording, but it appears immediately after the 
>> second press of RECORD to start loop playback.  The hiss goes away 
>> when I set the MIX to dir.  It gets louder as I more the MIX to loop.
>>
>> My EDP has always been hissy - I don't know if it's gotten worse
>> lately or if I'm more tuned into it.  I guess this could be normal 
>> behavior for the EDP, but I can't imagine this much noise being 
>> acceptable to the looping community.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>


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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, mrweasel wrote:

>  
> Hi
> I am looking for a small software that can transform keystrokes into other
> keystrokes, while running in the background.
> I have a usb notepad on my main keyboard that I use for Cubase and Reason,
> but Reason won't let you configure most of the key shortcuts.
> Such a program would be quite useful as my laptop is not very easy to reach
> in my studio.
> I got the Bome midi translator, which is already quite handy, as it can
> transform midi into keystrokes, but a keystroke to keystroke translator
> would be brilliant.
> Cheers

This isn't quite what you're asking for, but I wanted to mention it:

Steim's junxion application.

http://www.steim.org/steim/junxion.html

"junXion is a Mac OS X data routing application that allows the connection 
of any USB game controller and defines, in an easy user interface, the 
translation of each key or joystick action into a specific MIDI event. The 
resulting MIDI data is then available to any audio/music software that 
runs on that Mac or can be send to external MIDI interfaces."

I'm using junxion in an upcoming performance piece. I tested it, it works 
wonderfully. 

best,
Steve B
Phasmatodea    http://www.phasmatodea.net/
Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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Tom Combs wrote:
> Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set to 
> minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my part?  
> The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro.  If there 
> were a gain problem associated with the output stage of the EDP, then 
> I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not playing..

I'm just passing on the answers which were handed to me before.  Not 
saying I believe them or anything.

You learn to live with it, or you move on and find something else that 
works for you.

I have a preference for dirty sound, so incorporating the EDP's hiss 
wasn't that big a deal for me.  Still, sometimes it would be nice if it 
was clean.

-J

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Ha...I dug through the archives and found this (see below).  I did as 
Kim suggested (more input, less output) and now I'm getting much better 
performance.

It makes sense to me now.  Learn something new everyday...

Thanks to everyone for your input.

Tom




http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00558.html

 From Kim Flint to Jesse Lucas.....

At 02:48 PM 6/25/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote:
>Tell me that my gain staging is wrong, but it doesn't matter if I go 
>direct
>in, or through a preamp.  I've can have a healthy green light on the input
>signal indicator and the output cranked up, but the loops always seem to
>have mad hiss to them.

probably your gains are set wrong. Turn the input up higher, and the 
output 
lower to compensate. If it isn't clipping or the limiter isn't obviously 
kicking in, you have more headroom to use. Make sure you are using the 
loop 
path for setting gains, as it has less dynamic range than the direct. If 
you don't use the full dynamic range, the noise floor ends up sounding 
relatively louder. That is probably what you are experiencing.

>Not the direct signal, just the loop playback.

The digital path (of anything usually) has less dynamic range than the 
analog path, and so will have a higher relative noise floor when compared 
to the analog path.







kim



Jesse Lucas wrote:

> Tom Combs wrote:
>
>> Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set to 
>> minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my 
>> part?  The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ 
>> Pro.  If there were a gain problem associated with the output stage 
>> of the EDP, then I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not 
>> playing..
>
>
> I'm just passing on the answers which were handed to me before.  Not 
> saying I believe them or anything.
>
> You learn to live with it, or you move on and find something else that 
> works for you.
>
> I have a preference for dirty sound, so incorporating the EDP's hiss 
> wasn't that big a deal for me.  Still, sometimes it would be nice if 
> it was clean.
>
> -J
>

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Hey all,

Quick question here.  I'm looking for some good guitar
amp / effects software.  I've found Native
Instruments' "Guitar Rig" software, and "AmpliTube." 
Guitar Rig is a little pricey, and comes with a
hardware foot pedal that I actually don't need because
I have the Behringer midi foot controller.  Is it
possible to purchase that software without the foot
pedal?

Are there other amp or effects simulators?  I can use
either standalone or plug-in style effects.  Just
don't know what all is out there or really where to
look.

My style of music ranges from bluesy guitar leads to
total ambient weirdness.  =)  Thanks.

Mike


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The EDP pedal buillding goes on.

I have got all the parts assembled them and got both the record and overdub 
buttons working fine. the connections seem solid because all the rest of the 
buttons seem to ALSO PRODUCE THE OVERDUB COMMAND!!!!

yikes!!

I have followed all the advice i have reicieved except that i couldnt find 
the correct  wire and i am using copper speaker wire instead would this make 
such a specific differance considering all the buttons work etc?

could someone help, kim, andy?

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Hi Mike,

I did a quick search at kvraudio.com:

One free amp sim that many people have given positive reviews:
Mda combo http://www.mda-vst.com/

Some others (not free unfortunately):
iZotope Trash: http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/trash/
Rock Amp Legends: http://www.nomadfactory.com/products/rockamp/index.html

Good Luck,
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> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Quick question here.  I'm looking for some good guitar
> amp / effects software.  I've found Native
> Instruments' "Guitar Rig" software, and "AmpliTube."
> Guitar Rig is a little pricey, and comes with a
> hardware foot pedal that I actually don't need because
> I have the Behringer midi foot controller.  Is it
> possible to purchase that software without the foot
> pedal?
> 
> Are there other amp or effects simulators?  I can use
> either standalone or plug-in style effects.  Just
> don't know what all is out there or really where to
> look.
> 
> My style of music ranges from bluesy guitar leads to
> total ambient weirdness.  =)  Thanks.
> 
> Mike
> 
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Well i plug into a Littlelabs Instrument Distro 3.0  which is a 
re-amping
module, with D.I. ect, and it's cut most hiss, so i don't hear my main 
signal
through the Echo-Plex at all, only the looped signal. so i can have an 
Echo-plex D.I. signal,
plus my main signal separate, and it's made a huge difference having 
that separation.

http://www.littlelabs.com/





On 06/03/2005, at 5:03 AM, Tom Combs wrote:

> Ha...I dug through the archives and found this (see below).  I did as 
> Kim suggested (more input, less output) and now I'm getting much 
> better performance.
>
> It makes sense to me now.  Learn something new everyday...
>
> Thanks to everyone for your input.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00558.html
>
> From Kim Flint to Jesse Lucas.....
>
> At 02:48 PM 6/25/2004, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote:
>> Tell me that my gain staging is wrong, but it doesn't matter if I go 
>> direct
>> in, or through a preamp.  I've can have a healthy green light on the 
>> input
>> signal indicator and the output cranked up, but the loops always seem 
>> to
>> have mad hiss to them.
>
> probably your gains are set wrong. Turn the input up higher, and the 
> output lower to compensate. If it isn't clipping or the limiter isn't 
> obviously kicking in, you have more headroom to use. Make sure you are 
> using the loop path for setting gains, as it has less dynamic range 
> than the direct. If you don't use the full dynamic range, the noise 
> floor ends up sounding relatively louder. That is probably what you 
> are experiencing.
>
>> Not the direct signal, just the loop playback.
>
> The digital path (of anything usually) has less dynamic range than the 
> analog path, and so will have a higher relative noise floor when 
> compared to the analog path.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> kim
>
>
>
> Jesse Lucas wrote:
>
>> Tom Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Well, with nothing plugged into the input, and the input level set 
>>> to minimum, where is the possibility of improper gain staging on my 
>>> part?  The output of my EDP goes directly into a Mackie 1202-VLZ 
>>> Pro.  If there were a gain problem associated with the output stage 
>>> of the EDP, then I'd expect to hear the hiss when a loop is not 
>>> playing..
>>
>>
>> I'm just passing on the answers which were handed to me before.  Not 
>> saying I believe them or anything.
>>
>> You learn to live with it, or you move on and find something else 
>> that works for you.
>>
>> I have a preference for dirty sound, so incorporating the EDP's hiss 
>> wasn't that big a deal for me.  Still, sometimes it would be nice if 
>> it was clean.
>>
>> -J
>>
>

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It's a thousand dollars!
Boy this stuff can add up, huh!
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Well i plug into a Littlelabs Instrument Distro 3.0  which is a re-amping
module, with D.I. ect, and it's cut most hiss, so i don't hear my main
signal through the Echo-Plex at all, only the looped signal. so i can have
an Echo-plex D.I. signal, plus my main signal separate, and it's made a huge
difference having that separation.

http://www.littlelabs.com/


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Software midi editors for the following Lexicons:
Reflex, LXP-1, PCM 90, MPX 1.

I found this whilst surfing.  I have not tried any of
them. Just thought I'd FIY the loop crowd here.
(I emailed the creator to see if any would work with
my PCM 80, and it is not possible. Oh well.)

Windows only.
Freeware.

http://home.comcast.net/~wazware/midi.htm

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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
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This Wed. March 9th - Building Castles out of Matchsticks
+ Psychosomatic Climax Machine with General Chaos Visuals

Building Castles out of Matchsticks - Scattered electronics
composed, performed and arranged by Anne Sulikowski.
Analogue synthesis and accidental sequences. Found
sounds and pedal manipulations blended to form an ambient
bliss. These are personal scrapbook collections of beats,
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An audio diary of extraordinary events and everyday life.

Psychosomatic Climax Machine - A 5 piece improvisational
music ensemble focusing on space, time travel, analogue
synthesis and sub-atomic melodies & microtones. All songs,
performance pieces & atmospheres are spontaniously created.
Music is similar to that of Can, Tangerine Dream, Black Dice
and Tommorland. Features Anne Sulikowski, Scott Johnson &
Vanessa Price on keyboards with Phil Ogison & Jeff Sinibaldi
on guitar. These are all members of the Hamilton based
collective Worthy Records: the only non-profit artist run record
label in Ontario. They have released over 50 CDs in 2 years
with more on the way. www.worthyrecords.com

BCooM and PCM are delighted to be accompanied by the
almighty General Chaos Visuals. Steve and Eric's light
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Between Sets CD - "HoVR" by Anomalous Disturbances
(Last week we bumped this lovely CD to feature the music
of David Pritchard in honour of his life and his passing.)
Sublime soundscaping from Vancouver artist Terry O'Brien
using looping guitar as a primary sound source. After a
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after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have ableton live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact it is like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together.

this is the result:
http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv

or

http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov

all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs. 

note: this video makes me feel like the star wars kid.  perhaps it will serve to keep me humble.  

equipment/technical:
live 4
line6 echo pro delay
rode nt1a mic
evolution uc-33
behringer bass v-amp pro
behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller
alesis qs7.1
i use pedals 1-8 to fire the slot buttons for tracks 1-8, which are also set for monitor off. pedals 9 and 10 move the scene up or down. i am using 2 measure quantization, although sometimes i switch it down to one. track 11 monitors the live audio.  

i've always had a soft spot for the electrix repeater, and have been heard to spout "from my cold dying hands" in reference to my jamman (now gone to ebay).  but ableton live is absolutely insane. worse than cocaine. like sneaking up on god and licking her on the back.  try live before you buy a hardware looper.  

a guy named kim



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Probably not the answer you're looking for, but Logic Pro 7 has a good 
guitar amp simulator built in it. It does cost a lot, but in one fell 
swoop you've covered amp/cab sims, several excellent soft synths, IR 
and "traditional" reverbs, a healthy supplu of plug-ins, sequencing and 
multitracking. When you factor in all that other stuff the $1000 price 
tag doesn't seem so bad. Unless, of course, you've met all these other 
needs already.

Jeff Evans



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>
> Hey all,
>
> Quick question here.  I'm looking for some good guitar
> amp / effects software.  I've found Native
> Instruments' "Guitar Rig" software, and "AmpliTube."
> Guitar Rig is a little pricey, and comes with a
> hardware foot pedal that I actually don't need because
> I have the Behringer midi foot controller.  Is it
> possible to purchase that software without the foot
> pedal?
>
> Are there other amp or effects simulators?  I can use
> either standalone or plug-in style effects.  Just
> don't know what all is out there or really where to
> look.
>
> My style of music ranges from bluesy guitar leads to
> total ambient weirdness.  =)  Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
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can't seem to get the link to work will keep persisting though
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On 3 Mar 2005, at 18:29, Per Boysen wrote:

> It's been out for some weeks now but since I didn't see any post in 
> that here I'm sending the URL to the list: http://www.plasq.com/
>
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Kim G--
Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton Live but
this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob!
Points off for:  Sitting down and headphones.
Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!)
How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G is
probably at home) to loop?
Good day,
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Galibert [mailto:kim@pipeline.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:34 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have ableton
live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact it is
like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together.

this is the result:
http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv

or

http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov

all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs. 


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HaHa....first thing I noticed on this excellent little clip; pos'tively 
warmed me heart, it did! Brothers in toes...maybe we need to rename our 
group the bare feats...nice work; cozy set-up; thanks, Kim!
dc

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> How many people remove their shoes 

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i always find it easier to turn the knobs on my dl4
with my shoes off - those recessed dials...
cheers
bruce

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> Kim G--
> Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton Live 
> but
> this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob!
> Points off for:  Sitting down and headphones.
> Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!)
> How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G 
> is
> probably at home) to loop?
> Good day,
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Galibert [mailto:kim@pipeline.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:34 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: video: ableton live as an 8X replacement for the lexicon jam 
> man
>
> after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have 
> ableton
> live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact 
> it is
> like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together.
>
> this is the result:
> http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv
>
> or
>
> http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov
>
> all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs.
>
>
>
>
bruce tovsky
www.skeletonhome.com

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I never play with shoes on...and I'm careful to only use a single toe on 
my EDP+ footpedal...anything more might break those extra heavy duty 
switches :-)

ps:  loved the video...very warm and happy feeling to the whole 
thing...a nice way to start of my Monday morning...Thanks Kim for 
sharing it!

Dennis

bruce tovsky wrote:

> i always find it easier to turn the knobs on my dl4
> with my shoes off - those recessed dials...
> cheers
> bruce
>
> On Mar 7, 2005, at 11:31 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote:
>
>> Kim G--
>> Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton 
>> Live but
>> this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob!
>> Points off for:  Sitting down and headphones.
>> Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!)
>> How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G is
>> probably at home) to loop?
>> Good day,
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kim Galibert [mailto:kim@pipeline.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:34 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: video: ableton live as an 8X replacement for the lexicon jam 
>> man
>>
>> after many many late nights and way too much coffee, i finally have 
>> ableton
>> live tweaked to do live looping. it totally kills the jamman, in fact 
>> it is
>> like having 8 jammen all midi'd and mixed together.
>>
>> this is the result:
>> http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.wmv
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://www.iosonic.com/video/anareal.mov
>>
>> all live looping (except for 2 drum loops). no overdubs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> bruce tovsky
> www.skeletonhome.com
>
>
>

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shoes off for me has become a very important performance element for me

my last fine art project was me phill wilson as an artist looking at me 
blackface as a performer and the work created came form looking at the 
changes and differances of the two roles.

part of the way that i seperated the  two differant roles in my life was by 
adding ritualistic elements to the musical performance. one of these 
elements was taking off my shoes, therefore  bare feet, empty shoes and 
footprints all became symbolic of my transformatiion into a musician as did 
my decicion to always wear red on stage and never in "real life" .

there are of course the practical aspects of having no shoes in tat its 
easier to hit the buttons. I do still wear socks though co si have very 
seperate toes and if a button slips between two toes its good ot have the 
sock material there to catch it.

Philll Wilson

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On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Gary Lehmann wrote:

> Kim G--
> Thanks for sharing with the list--I have not investigated Ableton Live but
> this video shows you certainly have--very nice! Goo-goo-ka-joob!
> Points off for:  Sitting down and headphones.
> Also bare feet--hey list people, another poll(!?!)
> How many people remove their shoes (and socks in this case, but Kim G is
> probably at home) to loop?
> Good day,
> Gary

Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I 
perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my 
timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy.

best,
Steve B
Phasmatodea     http://www.phasmatodea.net/
Subscape Annex  http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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    I always wear rubber soled shoes if I'm using A.C. I don't want to 
become ground. When playing through low voltage D.C. solar systems  (solar 
electric systems that is) it's not  an issue.


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A brief look at the floors of most of the places I play kills the idea
of going shoeless.  I do make sure to wear flat-soled shoes though,
after having problems with EDP switches ending up in between tread
elements on Doc Marten type shoes.

And after hundreds of shows, I've never broken an EDP switch.


On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:05 -0500 (EST), burnett@pobox.com
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> Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I
> perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my
> timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy.
>

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You all might want to look at Japanese tabi boots (or ninja boots as the
martial arts stores will tell you).  They're basically cloth 'boots'
with a big toe split from the other toes and flat rubber soles.  Light,
comfy, and sensitive enough to hit small switches while standing on one
foot in the dark.

Kevin

> A brief look at the floors of most of the places I play kills the idea
> of going shoeless.  I do make sure to wear flat-soled shoes though,
> after having problems with EDP switches ending up in between tread
> elements on Doc Marten type shoes.
> 
> And after hundreds of shows, I've never broken an EDP switch.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:05 -0500 (EST), burnett@pobox.com
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> 
> > Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I
> > perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my
> > timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy.
> >
> 
> 

How amazing, how amazing!
Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
It simply cannot be heard with the ear,
But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
- Tung-shan (807-869)

Sound and Vision:    http://www.minds-eye.org

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I always wear shoes onstage. That this is a good idea was confirmed on 
my gig last saturday. I was wearing Birkenstocks. The trumpet player 
knocked my beer off my bass amp, and the glass shattered. I ended up 
with several glass slivers in my big toe. Not fun. So I think it's back 
to the steel toes for me.

I think I tend to play somewhat rowdier places than most of you, though 
:-).

On Monday, March 7, 2005, at 09:43 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> A brief look at the floors of most of the places I play kills the idea
> of going shoeless.  I do make sure to wear flat-soled shoes though,
> after having problems with EDP switches ending up in between tread
> elements on Doc Marten type shoes.
>
> And after hundreds of shows, I've never broken an EDP switch.
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:05 -0500 (EST), burnett@pobox.com
> <burnett@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Not me. However, after an early disastrous performance, I make sure I
>> perform in the same shoes I practice in, and specifically practice my
>> timing of loops with any new shoes I might buy.
>>
>

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Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where
headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side...

...who the #!@*!#  cares?  It's about the music, right? Is this a show
n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or  just an excuse
to criticize personal style?

Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the
Opra show.  What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or
not?  Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play?  My
god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of
spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and
headlines.  Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes when
you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What
Not to Wear" folks on TV

Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;)

Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot
switches), Boss SX-700,  and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up
until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space
racks, and one four space rack.  I'm using my laptop for some effects,
and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop.
The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if that
person (you know who you are, sends me a note).  

I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out
of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs
(greedy SOBs)

Kris


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So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I
heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton
Live as a live looper?

BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date.

Dave Eichenberger
http://www.hazardfactor.com


>  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting rid of 
> others....just one step closer to going all laptop.
>  

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I have seen performers bring oriental rugs into venues to avoid the kinds of
unpleasantness Travis refers to--
Using the same shoes is good advice--the guy I learned bass pedals from made
a point of always using leather soled shoes, and they have consistent
response.
I have tried shoes off in the home and they do help you find things
easier--at one point on Thursday (my fill-in at the Radisson playing to
drunken tourists) I missed the loop pedal, as it is dark under the piano and
I just couldn't see--but I was relaxed and didn't let it interrupt.  Shoes
off would have helped--and it was clean and carpeted.

I would like to remind everyone of Andre LaFosse's upcoming dates--they are:

Tuesday, March 8, 2005
Los Angeles, CA: Level One 
6311 Wilshire Blvd. (near Crescent Heights) 
8:00 PM | $5 
Playing solo and with Chris Opperman's band. 

:| NEW YORK CITY, MARCH 2005 |: 
Tuesday, March 15 
NYC: Galapagos 
10:00 PM | Free admission 
(with Triphazard and Sarge) 

Wednesday, March 16 
NYC: CB's 313 Gallery 
9:00 PM | $5 
(with Triphazard and Sarge) 

March 18, 19 and 20, 2005 
NYC: The Monkey 
Show times: 8:00 PM on the 18th and 19th, 
4:00 PM on the 20th 
$15 in advance, $20 walk-up 

Three nights of solo gigs at Dominic Frasca's Manhattan performance space,
using five Echoplexes simultaneously in a 5.1 surround sound environment! 

Best of luck Andre!  The entire future of looping live rests on your
shoulders!
Gary
PS  Andre wears shoes.
G


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I saw McLaughlin on the last Remembering Shakti tour, and he was using
a laptop and a couple of those Sony multieffectors he's been using for
some time.


On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:20 -0500, hazard factor
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> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I
> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton
> Live as a live looper?

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One of my bands does put down an area rug.  For one
thing, it's nice to run all your cables and put a rug
over it because it hides the cable mess.  The only
visible cables are the ones going to our instruments. 


Plus when you supply the floor, you always know what
you're walking on.  =)

Mike


--- Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
> I have seen performers bring oriental rugs into
> venues to avoid the kinds of
> unpleasantness Travis refers to--
> Using the same shoes is good advice--the guy I
> learned bass pedals from made
> a point of always using leather soled shoes, and
> they have consistent
> response.
> I have tried shoes off in the home and they do help
> you find things
> easier--at one point on Thursday (my fill-in at the
> Radisson playing to
> drunken tourists) I missed the loop pedal, as it is
> dark under the piano and
> I just couldn't see--but I was relaxed and didn't
> let it interrupt.  Shoes
> off would have helped--and it was clean and
> carpeted.
> 
> I would like to remind everyone of Andre LaFosse's
> upcoming dates--they are:
> 
> Tuesday, March 8, 2005
> Los Angeles, CA: Level One 
> 6311 Wilshire Blvd. (near Crescent Heights) 
> 8:00 PM | $5 
> Playing solo and with Chris Opperman's band. 
> 
> :| NEW YORK CITY, MARCH 2005 |: 
> Tuesday, March 15 
> NYC: Galapagos 
> 10:00 PM | Free admission 
> (with Triphazard and Sarge) 
> 
> Wednesday, March 16 
> NYC: CB's 313 Gallery 
> 9:00 PM | $5 
> (with Triphazard and Sarge) 
> 
> March 18, 19 and 20, 2005 
> NYC: The Monkey 
> Show times: 8:00 PM on the 18th and 19th, 
> 4:00 PM on the 20th 
> $15 in advance, $20 walk-up 
> 
> Three nights of solo gigs at Dominic Frasca's
> Manhattan performance space,
> using five Echoplexes simultaneously in a 5.1
> surround sound environment! 
> 
> Best of luck Andre!  The entire future of looping
> live rests on your
> shoulders!
> Gary
> PS  Andre wears shoes.
> G
> 
> 
> 

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This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
everything in order, running on my Macs at home.  Now
I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set.  =)

Mike



--- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a
> line-out to the PA? I
> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone
> at least use Abelton
> Live as a live looper?
> 
> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
> are up to date.
> 
> Dave Eichenberger
> http://www.hazardfactor.com
> 
> 
> >  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting
> rid of 
> > others....just one step closer to going all
> laptop.
> >  
> 
> 


	
		
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Yeah, but then you have to carry around a rug.....

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com 

 
> 
> One of my bands does put down an area rug.  For one thing, 
> it's nice to run all your cables and put a rug over it 
> because it hides the cable mess.  The only visible cables are 
> the ones going to our instruments. 
> 
>  

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Must have been the Sony M5s? I heard he used these...I've never been
able to find one. I heard they are 64 bit.  I'd like to find out what he
is using on the laptop for software. Should have know McLaughlin would
be leading the edge in jazz.

Kris



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I saw McLaughlin on the last Remembering Shakti tour, and he was using a
laptop and a couple of those Sony multieffectors he's been using for
some time.


On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:20 -0500, hazard factor
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> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the 
> PA? I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use

> Abelton Live as a live looper?


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hmmm... someone needs to lighten up....

On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

> Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where
> headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side...
>
> ...who the #!@*!#  cares?  It's about the music, right? Is this a show
> n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or  just an 
> excuse
> to criticize personal style?
>
> Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the
> Opra show.  What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or
> not?  Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play?  My
> god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of
> spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and
> headlines.  Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes 
> when
> you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What
> Not to Wear" folks on TV
>
> Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;)
>
> Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot
> switches), Boss SX-700,  and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up
> until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space
> racks, and one four space rack.  I'm using my laptop for some effects,
> and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop.
> The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if 
> that
> person (you know who you are, sends me a note).
>
> I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out
> of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs
> (greedy SOBs)
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
bruce tovsky
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hf> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I
hf> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton
hf> Live as a live looper?

hf> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date.

hf> Dave Eichenberger
hf> http://www.hazardfactor.com

I go *all laptop*.
I play hurdy gurdy, so I have to go to a specially deviced
preamp, which has some mixer possibilities, go to the laptop via RME,
back to the mixer (only for getting a balanced signal, and where a
Jamman is inserted) and to the PA. I did all FX in Cubase SX now I
change to Bidule.
When I play only with basic looping functions (record, overdub,
start/stop) I don't need the screen. My laptop is somewhere below the
stage and closed.
Now I try to get on with mobius to get rid of my jamman and do
all with the laptop (just with stereo multitrack looping, mhmmm).

I have used this setup for maybe 50 gigs now, and it always worked
(once or twice I had to restart at soundcheck) I played in Africa
with Voltage between 150 and 250, my jamman screw up, the rme and the
laptop still played.
And although I really (!) had no problems yet, I'm still scared before
going on stage. Once I had to play at a festival in Australia (with
about 25.000 people in the audience) and soundcheck was at noon, it
was 40 degree celcius on stage and the gig was at midnight. I had
twelve hours of sweating, not because of the heat, just worrying if my
gear works and the laptop was melting down or not.
the only good thing is that I'm not nervous about playing anymore.

For safety reasons to avoid clicks I still play at 6ms latency, and
wish to go down to 3 but maybe it needs next generation hardware.
My laptop is nearly three years old now.

regards,
Matthias

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Yeah, which is why I'm glad I'm not the one that owns
the rug.  =)

Mike


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> 
> Dave Eichenberger 
> http://www.hazardfactor.com 
> 
>  
> > 
> > One of my bands does put down an area rug.  For
> one thing, 
> > it's nice to run all your cables and put a rug
> over it 
> > because it hides the cable mess.  The only visible
> cables are 
> > the ones going to our instruments. 
> > 
> >  
> 
> 

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What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up
using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high
quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to
RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro
Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a PC
midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think it is
just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to the
patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run the mBox through
the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be side-by-side
on my rack.

Kris



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This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
everything in order, running on my Macs at home.  Now
I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set.  =)

Mike



--- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a
> line-out to the PA? I
> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone
> at least use Abelton
> Live as a live looper?
> 
> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
> are up to date.
> 
> Dave Eichenberger
> http://www.hazardfactor.com
> 
> 
> >  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting
> rid of
> > others....just one step closer to going all
> laptop.
> >  
> 
> 


	
		
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I am thinking of heading this way, too. Especially since I have strained my 
back carrying stuff for the last two looping gigs! I like the way my jazz setup 
sounds, but it's too heavy. Maybe I need to mount wheels and a handle on the
pedalboard cases so I can wheel 'em around like a suitcase.

<http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html>

I was playing around with Reaktor this weekend on my home PC, and it was really
easy to get a basic looping thing going and have a pedal control it via MIDI. 
Even with my crappy 500 MHz PIII and Layla 20, I could get a nice low-latency 
(4ms) thing happening. The fact that you can totally customize everything is 
great. With the hardware setup I have to step on the RC-20 to stop the drum 
loop after the main loop gets going, but in Reaktor I could make that all 
automatic, AND I could have more than 22 drums beats, AND I could add my 
big band horns:

<http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.h
tml>

I'm still hesitating because of the expense of a laptop, plus a new sound card
(my Layla 20 won't work with the Echo PC card). But it won't be long. I'm 
investigating Ableton to see if that would be good for what I do. In addition
to having Reaktor going, it would be cool to incorporate the B4 into it too,
so I could do one-man organ trio stuff. But then I gotta bring a keyboard....

Many cool possibilities.

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

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-----Original Message-----
From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] 

> I am thinking of heading this way, too. Especially since I have
strained my 
back carrying stuff for the last two looping gigs!

You too?  I had to leave my rack in my vehicle a few days ago, because
the thought of lifting it was horrifying.  15 years ago I had a 20 space
rack, and it was so heavy and big that I kept it in my living room, and
ran all my audio cables, MIDI controller cables, etc...down through a
hole in the basement...that way I didn't have to lift the rack far into
my truck.  

 > I like the way my jazz setup sounds, but it's too heavy. Maybe I need
to mount wheels and a handle on the pedalboard cases so I can wheel 'em
around like a suitcase.

I have a portable dolly that works great...until you get a gig where you
have a bunch of stairs to climb.  Good luck on that.  

<http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html>

> I was playing around with Reaktor this weekend on my home PC, and it
was really easy to get a basic looping thing going and have a pedal
control it via MIDI. 

Can you do something equivalent to the EDP multiply? Does Live allow
this?  That's only function that I really need in a software program,
aside from indefinite loops.

> I'm still hesitating because of the expense of a laptop, plus a new
sound card (my Layla 20 won't work with the Echo PC card). But it won't
be long. I'm 
investigating Ableton to see if that would be good for what I do. In
addition to having Reaktor going, it would be cool to incorporate the B4
into it too, so I could do one-man organ trio stuff. But then I gotta
bring a keyboard....

Yes, the cost thing is critical. My laptop now will work, but it is a
consumer based Compaq Presario 2525US laptop with a desktop processor in
it (hence it is very thick and heavy). My next purchase will be a
comerical grade notebook with a Centrino mobile processor and loaded to
the gills with RAM, speed, etc. The only thing is that you can't
typically buy a comerical grade notebook at a retailer, but directly
from the manufacture....and I could pay up to $3000 for a decent unit.
I'll probably buy the HP Compaq nc6230, but IBM makes a REALLY solid
unit that has a good track record...it's the one that Intel's own
employees use.

Keep me/us posted. This week I'll start experimenting with Abeton Live
for the first time!  

Many cool possibilities.

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net


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i use ableton live 4.1 with my g4 laptop/mbox combo.
with the digi core audio driver (in os x) you can utilize
the mbox ins and outs with any audio software. using
pro tools draws too much cpu (for my stuff anyway) and
live is friendlier in that regard. the nice thing about using
pro tools is its more flexible routing possibilities using
aux channels. live's send/receive architecture works
fine for my purposes, i just like the pro tools structure
better. the way you assign midi/keystroke controls in
live is also a heck of a lot easier than with pro tools.
i use a tascam us428 and a niche faderbox for midi
control, though almost anything that sends midi cc
messages will work just fine with live.
cheers
bruce

On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

> What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up
> using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high
> quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to
> RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro
> Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a PC
> midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think it is
> just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to the
> patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run the mBox through
> the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be side-by-side
> on my rack.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?)
>
>
>
> This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
> everything in order, running on my Macs at home.  Now
> I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set.  =)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> --- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
>> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a
>> line-out to the PA? I
>> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone
>> at least use Abelton
>> Live as a live looper?
>>
>> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
>> are up to date.
>>
>> Dave Eichenberger
>> http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>
>>
>>>  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting
>> rid of
>>> others....just one step closer to going all
>> laptop.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 	
> 		
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I just added Ableton + PowerBook to my cello-Repeater rig. I'm very 
happy with the results (especially the sound quality!) but don't think 
I'll ever be able to live without the Repeater. I'm using Ableton for 
all the very structured, pre-composed works (still recording the 
individual parts live of course and just using Ableton for the 
automation) and then the Repeater for seat-of-the-pants pieces.

and shoes = yes.

On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:30 AM, hazard factor wrote:

> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the 
> PA? I
> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use 
> Abelton
> Live as a live looper?
>
> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date.
>
> Dave Eichenberger
> http://www.hazardfactor.com
>
>
>>  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting rid of
>> others....just one step closer to going all laptop.
>>
>
>
>

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A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage
of this kind, hosts the plug-ins, and provides a
visual mixer.  Runs both audio busses and software
instruments.  I haven't actually purchased it yet to
try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously.

http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/

I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot
controller to do looping with SooperLooper and to
control effects, etc.  So far, so good.

Mike


--- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> What software are you running to host your effect
> plugins? I ended up
> using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I
> can use the high
> quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I
> bought a VST to
> RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins
> compatable with Pro
> Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll
> them. I bought a PC
> midi connection device through a recommendation from
> Per. I think it is
> just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or
> contollers to the
> patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run
> the mBox through
> the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop
> will be side-by-side
> on my rack.
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A
> poll--shoes off?)
> 
> 
> 
> This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
> everything in order, running on my Macs at home. 
> Now
> I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. 
> =)
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> --- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
> > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with
> a
> > line-out to the PA? I
> > heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does
> anyone
> > at least use Abelton
> > Live as a live looper?
> > 
> > BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
> > are up to date.
> > 
> > Dave Eichenberger
> > http://www.hazardfactor.com
> > 
> > 
> > >  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and
> getting
> > rid of
> > > others....just one step closer to going all
> > laptop.
> > >  
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 	
> 		
> __________________________________ 
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web 
> http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
> 
> 
> 


	
		
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On Mar 7, 2005, at 19:30, hazard factor wrote:

> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the 
> PA?

For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say I've gone 
"all laptop" for that. Still there's no software that can match the EDP 
for "cut up slice looping". The big advantage I see in laptop looping 
is that you set up pedals for transposing your live loops though 
different keys and chord changes. As well of having access to more 
effects (not many to be used at the same time, though).

>  I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way.

AFAIK John uses Logic to emulate his effect rack in the laptop 
(powerbook).

> Does anyone at least use Abelton
> Live as a live looper?

No. But as the host applications for live looping plug-ins. Ableton 
Live is cool for looping but doesn't fit my taste for LIVE looping ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am 
thinking about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz 
15") and was wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac 
and if so, what software they use.

I am still using the Jamman with Bob Sellon's upgrade chip for 
looping these days, but looking to take it a little further.

TIA
Edwin
PS I have the Live that came with Protools. Not the full version. Worth using?
-- 

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On Mar 7, 2005, at 21:25, Zoe Keating wrote:

> I just added Ableton + PowerBook to my cello-Repeater rig.

That's a very powerful combination! You can set up midi clips in Live 4 
that control Repeater tracks dynamically. Nice!

Greetings from Sweden

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I couldn't decide which audio interface to get. So, while taking my 
sweet time to make up my mind, I just hooked up the computer like any 
old piece of gear. I've got two outs from my preamp: one goes into the 
miniplug "in" of the powerbook, and the other goes to the Repeater. The 
only thing I've added was a midi to usb cable. Then the miniplug "out" 
of the powerbook goes into my little mixer that lives at the end of the 
signal chain. It's worked fine for all of the 4 weeks I've been doing 
it (and I still can't decide which portable audio interface to get). Is 
this insane?

On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:22 PM, bruce tovsky wrote:

> i use ableton live 4.1 with my g4 laptop/mbox combo.
> with the digi core audio driver (in os x) you can utilize
> the mbox ins and outs with any audio software. using
> pro tools draws too much cpu (for my stuff anyway) and
> live is friendlier in that regard. the nice thing about using
> pro tools is its more flexible routing possibilities using
> aux channels. live's send/receive architecture works
> fine for my purposes, i just like the pro tools structure
> better. the way you assign midi/keystroke controls in
> live is also a heck of a lot easier than with pro tools.
> i use a tascam us428 and a niche faderbox for midi
> control, though almost anything that sends midi cc
> messages will work just fine with live.
> cheers
> bruce
>
> On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:
>
>> What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up
>> using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high
>> quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to
>> RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro
>> Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a 
>> PC
>> midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think it 
>> is
>> just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to the
>> patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run the mBox through
>> the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be side-by-side
>> on my rack.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?)
>>
>>
>>
>> This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
>> everything in order, running on my Macs at home.  Now
>> I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set.  =)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> --- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
>>> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a
>>> line-out to the PA? I
>>> heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone
>>> at least use Abelton
>>> Live as a live looper?
>>>
>>> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
>>> are up to date.
>>>
>>> Dave Eichenberger
>>> http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting
>>> rid of
>>>> others....just one step closer to going all
>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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aahhh...that's the ticket. I don't have them working in tandem yet, 
just mixed together as though they are separate instruments. But, 
clearly this is the place to go next....

Thanks!

On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> You can set up midi clips in Live 4 that control Repeater tracks 
> dynamically. Nice!

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On Mar 7, 2005, at 3:45 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:

> I couldn't decide which audio interface to get. So, while taking my 
> sweet time to make up my mind, I just hooked up the computer like any 
> old piece of gear. I've got two outs from my preamp: one goes into the 
> miniplug "in" of the powerbook, and the other goes to the Repeater. 
> The only thing I've added was a midi to usb cable. Then the miniplug 
> "out" of the powerbook goes into my little mixer that lives at the end 
> of the signal chain. It's worked fine for all of the 4 weeks I've been 
> doing it (and I still can't decide which portable audio interface to 
> get). Is this insane?

not in the slightest. why not use the built-in audio ports? granted, 
they
don't have the quality of a dedicated hardware box (you get what you
pay for) but in a pinch i have used my miniplug out for shows without
a complaint. if it works without any annoying hums, buzzes or clicks
go for it. (this is not to say that you wouldn't get hums, buzzes and 
clicks
with an outboard box as well.)
cheers
bruce


bruce tovsky
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On Mar 7, 2005, at 21:37, Edwin Hurwitz wrote:

> I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am  
> thinking about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz  
> 15") and was wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac and  
> if so, what software they use.
>
> I am still using the Jamman with Bob Sellon's upgrade chip for looping  
> these days, but looking to take it a little further.


If you like the feedback/overdub looping style of the Jamman you might  
like to check out Sooperlooper.

It's also fun to play around with different combinations of software. I  
found one set-up that I know I will go back to many times. It's Ableton  
Live as the AU host and provider of reverb, AU plug-in Augustus Loop  
from Expert Sleepers and finally the effect suite Pluggo from  
Cycling74. Here's a first-take guitar impro as an audio example of that  
combo, running two Augustus loopers going through Pluggos  
"SpeedShifter" and "Rye". The Augustus Loopers are pitch shifted from  
midi foot pedals while playing and looping.  
http://www.looproom.com/Future_Leadership_Hits/ 
Looking_For_The_Positive_Si.mp3

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Mar 7, 2005, at 21:49, Zoe Keating wrote:

> aahhh...that's the ticket. I don't have them working in tandem yet, 
> just mixed together as though they are separate instruments. But, 
> clearly this is the place to go next....
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> You can set up midi clips in Live 4 that control Repeater tracks 
>> dynamically. Nice!
>

If I had a Repeater I would use it for all looping, because it has 
overdub, feedback and time-stretch/transpose. Then I would use a midi 
pedal to trigger Live clips that send the data to the four Repeater 
tracks to transpose into certain chord changes. That would be awesome! 
Live is so much more convenient to program than a FCB1010!!!

/ per

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>could someone help, kim, andy?

what you need is a resistance meter,
( = ohm meter)

Then you would be able to work out what's happening.

the speaker wire should be OK, unless it's very bad speaker wire.

You could try pluging a lead into the footcontroller socket, and then
putting resistors across it to check if that worked right.

andy

...and hopefully Matthias and/or Kim can be more help







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On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:12 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:
> to having Reaktor going, it would be cool to incorporate the B4 into 
> it too,
> so I could do one-man organ trio stuff. But then I gotta bring a 
> keyboard....

so does this mean that we can have a duel of the looping organ trios?

Me on my Hammond C2, Liberation, and PCM-80 with the drums and guitar 
of the Suit & Tie Guy Band, and you on the other side of the stage with 
your laptop, custom-design Reaktor patches and highly-modified guitars.

we'll play isaac hayes and gay synth pop tunes and you can play "four 
on six". we will counter with "summertime" in dub, you will fire back 
with something that requires more skill to play, such as "lazy bird". 
this pattern will continue until everyone at the event leaves.

if i get desperate, and feel there is no hope ... i may play "my funny 
valentine" in the Jimmy Smith style with LH melody and RH chords.

there will be no man left standing when our duel of the organ trios is 
complete. at the end of the gig, we will both get paid standard jazz 
gig money: 5 dollars from the bar and 2 drink tickets.

how about somewhere between Peoria and Champaign, like The Yankee 
Doodle in Bloomington or perhaps the Farmer City VFW?

We can assemble a non-partisan judging committee of jazz organists, 
loopers, Donny Heitler, and the whole Bridgewater family to judge the 
event.

If you win, i'll give you my GR-300 so you can turn it into a second 
Moog Modular controller for Pogo Studios. If i win, you have to fix my 
GR-300 and give it back to me.

so let me know when you get that keyboard going and we can have the 
central IL jazz cutting contest of the century.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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what about shoes on and g-strings on?for those of you
loopers who feel ignored and want more attention...
cheers
Luis



--- David Trenkel <improv@peak.org> wrote:
> I always wear shoes onstage. That this is a good
> idea was confirmed on 
> my gig last saturday. I was wearing Birkenstocks.
> The trumpet player 
> knocked my beer off my bass amp, and the glass
> shattered. I ended up 
> with several glass slivers in my big toe. Not fun.
> So I think it's back 
>> 

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Hi LD,

sorry for OT..
This is my new CD release information.
I collaborated with Swiss trumpeter/electronic musician,Werner Hasler.
http://www.manufactur.ch/

in this time,our method is exchange sample sketches via private FTP server.
Then result electronica/ambient music we made..

TRANSMIT
HASLER << >> INAMI
MANUFACTURED AUDIO mf audio#003 (CD only)

some details and mail order available:
http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/


WERNER HASLER
trumpet,various synth
recorded at Horsaal,Bern,Switzerland
www.wernerhasler.com

SUNAO INAMI
reaktor,absynth
recorded at CAVE Studio,Kobe,Japan
www.cavestudio.com

All tracks arranged,produced and mixed by Werner Hasler,
expect M5R2 taken from DELAYED remix by Sunao Inami


Sunao and I met face-to-face for no more than ten minutes - somewhere 
in a culb.We ware introduced,had a chat,and then split,agreeing to 
exchange some of our work:we have not met since.
The music in Transmit came from the agreed upload Sunao to me. We 
have not talked about it,and neither did we construct any common 
musical plans.
The file come just one way - to me - so there was no collaboration on 
what has happened with it since. I downloaded sounds,soundscapes and 
half-finished tunes of his,and I uploaded my work in return.
After downloading the file,I listened before I cut and shaped his 
sounds,taking extracts and looping parts. I added my own sounds from 
different sources,such as a diverse set of treatments from my trumpet 
recordings,various samplings,and some analogue synthesizing.I created 
arrangements by playing with sound,colours,cutting some of them and 
putting the whole thing in a frame of rhythm and melody - or using 
what I created as a frame for additional rhythms and melodies.
The unguided and unrestricted use of Sunao's very personal 
ideas,which ware unfamiliar to me,was a very refreshing way to 
work.This music began from the ideas of a very real person,yet 
developed with that person as only virtual partner - pure input and 
no restriction.
Sunao produced the recordings,DELAYED (electr-ohm released in Japan 
2004,using the sounds and beats of Rick Walker,Roberto 
Zorzi,Slacknote and Werner Hasler)
  Werner Hasler


  Thanks

  Sunao Inami
http://www.cavestudio.com

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> On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:12 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:
> Moog Modular controller for Pogo Studios. If i win, you have to fix my 
> GR-300 and give it back to me.
> 
> so let me know when you get that keyboard going and we can have the 
> central IL jazz cutting contest of the century.
> ---
> Eric Williamson

LOL! You're on. I need to check out your mp3's your band sounds pretty cool. 
I'll have to wait till I'm at home and not behind a firewall that blocks
mp3s.

Dunno what Donny Heitler and the Bridgewaters would think of looping, I have
a feeling they wouldn't approve...especially if you're replacing an entire
big band with a computer. Oh well, that never stopped me before!

Mark Smart
www.marksmart.net

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On Mar 7, 2005, at 4:54 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:
> Dunno what Donny Heitler and the Bridgewaters would think of looping, 
> I have
> a feeling they wouldn't approve...especially if you're replacing an 
> entire
> big band with a computer. Oh well, that never stopped me before!

Donny Heitler has attended 2 of my looping gigs here in Peoria.

btw, i'm going to send you an email about the Pogo Moog. i'm going to 
come down to Chammbanna and purchase an hour or two of playtime with it 
and Mark thinks you'd like being there too..

---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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At 10:19 PM +0100 3/7/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
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Definitely SHOES ON.  The stages I seem to play are no place to take off
your shoes!!
Anyway, I think playing in Boston "shoes off" would be considered a little
twee.

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Kris -

Yeah it's about the music -- and yeah this is a kind of silly topic.  And
silly can be fun too.  And informative.

Thing is, if you think people don't have feelings and impressions about your
music based on how you look, how you act, and how you speak, then you're
fooling yourself, mate.

If your really good, people will forgive shortcomings *they perceive* in how
you look, how you act and how you speak.  Or not.  People are that way.
Unpredictable.   I'm not saying you should change how you are -- but it's
good to be aware of what impressions you are making.

Where I play, I would never consider performing shoes off, rack in front of
me and sitting down with headphones.  I'm not sure I'm good enough to
overcome all the collected prejudices I feel my audiences have towards these
things.  I'm in Boston.  Tough fucking crowds here dude.

David



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> Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where
> headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side...
>
> ...who the #!@*!#  cares?  It's about the music, right? Is this a show
> n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or  just an excuse
> to criticize personal style?
>
> Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the
> Opra show.  What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or
> not?  Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play?  My
> god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of
> spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and
> headlines.  Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes when
> you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What
> Not to Wear" folks on TV
>
> Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;)
>
> Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot
> switches), Boss SX-700,  and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up
> until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space
> racks, and one four space rack.  I'm using my laptop for some effects,
> and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop.
> The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if that
> person (you know who you are, sends me a note).
>
> I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out
> of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs
> (greedy SOBs)
>
> Kris
>
>

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When I saw Shakti (maybe 4years ago now????) I have to confess I was
disappointed by McLauglin's "chorus + FX fuzz" sound with no amp.  It was
limp.  He sounded so 1980's.   Logistically, I know it must be far simplier
to travel and to control on stage, but it sure didn't sound cutting edge to
me.  To my ears he would have sounded so much more compelling with a
straight guitar sound from a small Marshall 50-watt amp.



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> Must have been the Sony M5s? I heard he used these...I've never been
> able to find one. I heard they are 64 bit.  I'd like to find out what he
> is using on the laptop for software. Should have know McLaughlin would
> be leading the edge in jazz.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:34 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>
>
> I saw McLaughlin on the last Remembering Shakti tour, and he was using a
> laptop and a couple of those Sony multieffectors he's been using for
> some time.
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:30:20 -0500, hazard factor
> <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
> > So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the
> > PA? I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use
>
> > Abelton Live as a live looper?
>
>

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Damn, this topic has generated a lot of replies...I'm behind.  I
realized that I have the version of Live that is ready to integrate with
Pro Tools LE.  It is Live Digidesign Version 2.1. I'll check it out and
see if it works....anything to avoid using my sound card, which is very
bad.  I agree, the routing capabilities with Pro Tools are excellent.
Basically, each channel has 5 effect inserts, and five buss inserts.
Each buss insert can link to a buss fader with 5 effect inserted in it,
and so on.  I can also create more than one fader for the same
instrument, with different effect configurations, muting those I want to
use or not, etc.  I don't have a CPU problem with ProTools, but we'll
see what happens when I load Live and a bunch of VST plugin. I have a
2.4ghz processor...we'll see.

Kris


-----Original Message-----
From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?)


i use ableton live 4.1 with my g4 laptop/mbox combo.
with the digi core audio driver (in os x) you can utilize
the mbox ins and outs with any audio software. using
pro tools draws too much cpu (for my stuff anyway) and
live is friendlier in that regard. the nice thing about using pro tools
is its more flexible routing possibilities using aux channels. live's
send/receive architecture works fine for my purposes, i just like the
pro tools structure better. the way you assign midi/keystroke controls
in live is also a heck of a lot easier than with pro tools. i use a
tascam us428 and a niche faderbox for midi control, though almost
anything that sends midi cc messages will work just fine with live.
cheers bruce

On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

> What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up 
> using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high 
> quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to 
> RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro 
> Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a 
> PC midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think 
> it is just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to

> the patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run the mBox 
> through the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be 
> side-by-side on my rack.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?)
>
>
>
> This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
> everything in order, running on my Macs at home.  Now
> I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set.  =)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> --- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
>> So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the 
>> PA? I heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone
>> at least use Abelton
>> Live as a live looper?
>>
>> BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
>> are up to date.
>>
>> Dave Eichenberger
>> http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>
>>
>>>  I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting
>> rid of
>>> others....just one step closer to going all
>> laptop.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and reverse
functions? I could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?)

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com


 
 
> 
> For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say 
> I've gone "all laptop" for that. Still there's no software 
> that can match the EDP for "cut up slice looping".  

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But... then... where do the stompboxes and the 12AX7's go?

Dig

hazard factor wrote:

>So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with a line-out to the PA? I
>heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does anyone at least use Abelton
>Live as a live looper?
>
>BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots are up to date.
>
>Dave Eichenberger
>http://www.hazardfactor.com
>
>
>  
>
>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and getting rid of 
>>others....just one step closer to going all laptop.
>> 
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>

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You may be interested in Mobius, which you can download at www.zonemobius.com.
To my knowledge it implements more of the EDP features than
any other software looper, it certainly does the ones you list (and I
would imagine more of them than most people will ever use :-)  It runs
standalone or as a VST plugin.

Jeff


hazard factor wrote:
>  
> Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and reverse
> functions? I could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?)
> 
> Dave Eichenberger 
> http://www.hazardfactor.com

> 
>>For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say 
>>I've gone "all laptop" for that. Still there's no software 
>>that can match the EDP for "cut up slice looping".  
> 
> 

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 "Tough fucking crowds here dude."

F***kin'-A right, Bubba! Bosstown crowds can be 'wikkid pissa' tough.
Closed-minded. Rude. Cold.  BUT NOT AS COLD, JADED, OR CYNICAL AS YOUR
TYPICAL CLUB OWNER OR BOOKING AGENT, HOWEVER. A tough
Boston/Summaville/Cambridge crowd can be won over, can even become warm and
friendly if they take a liking to you, but if Mister
"I-hate-everything-and-everybody-and-I-just-wanna-book-my-friends'-bands"
Booking Guy doesn't wanna take a chance on you, it stops right there, and
you've either gotta try another club, or wait until the management gets
tired of Mister Jaded and hopefully replaces him with someone who will at
least give you one gig to prove yourself.

Boston clubs, by and large, have no built-in crowd, depending entirely on
the band to bring people in and make up for the club's lack of advertising
and/or suboptimal location. Otherwise, it's just the "regulars," a bunch of
5 or 6 hard-core juicers that make Barney from the Simpsons seem lucid. But
given the choice between putting up with this half-assed bullsh*t and not
playing out at all, of course I choose to play. We play. It's what we do.

~Tim 


> [Original Message]
> From: David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 3/7/2005 7:26:18 PM
> Subject: Re: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live)
>
> Kris -
>
> Yeah it's about the music -- and yeah this is a kind of silly topic.  And
> silly can be fun too.  And informative.
>
> Thing is, if you think people don't have feelings and impressions about
your
> music based on how you look, how you act, and how you speak, then you're
> fooling yourself, mate.
>
> If your really good, people will forgive shortcomings *they perceive* in
how
> you look, how you act and how you speak.  Or not.  People are that way.
> Unpredictable.   I'm not saying you should change how you are -- but it's
> good to be aware of what impressions you are making.
>
> Where I play, I would never consider performing shoes off, rack in front
of
> me and sitting down with headphones.  I'm not sure I'm good enough to
> overcome all the collected prejudices I feel my audiences have towards
these
> things.  I'm in Boston.  Tough fucking crowds here dude.
>
> David
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:19 PM
> Subject: RE: A poll--shoes off? (was RE: video: ableton live)
>
>
> > Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where
> > headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side...
> >
> > ...who the #!@*!#  cares?  It's about the music, right? Is this a show
> > n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or  just an excuse
> > to criticize personal style?
> >
> > Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the
> > Opra show.  What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or
> > not?  Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play?  My
> > god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of
> > spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and
> > headlines.  Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes when
> > you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh "What
> > Not to Wear" folks on TV
> >
> > Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;)
> >
> > Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot
> > switches), Boss SX-700,  and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up
> > until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three space
> > racks, and one four space rack.  I'm using my laptop for some effects,
> > and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going all laptop.
> > The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this group....if that
> > person (you know who you are, sends me a note).
> >
> > I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out
> > of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay costs
> > (greedy SOBs)
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >
>



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   Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at the 
mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks and 
swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals. 
quit wynging


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I definitely don't think that "people don't have feelings and
impressions about our music based on how we look, how we act, and how we
speak".  I don't believe my response to the group (partially in jest, by
the way) implied this. The question is whether the group should dwell on
this topic, because the fact of the matter is, a person "is what he is",
and he ought to be proud of it, rather than trying to become a different
person and express a different way based on what people believe or think
about him.  Are we mirrors or individuals?

Yeah, I know...tough crowd...that's why I like this list!  :)  Keep it
coming!!!

Kris



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:32 PM
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Kris -

Yeah it's about the music -- and yeah this is a kind of silly topic.
And silly can be fun too.  And informative.

Thing is, if you think people don't have feelings and impressions about
your music based on how you look, how you act, and how you speak, then
you're fooling yourself, mate.

If your really good, people will forgive shortcomings *they perceive* in
how you look, how you act and how you speak.  Or not.  People are that
way.
Unpredictable.   I'm not saying you should change how you are -- but
it's
good to be aware of what impressions you are making.

Where I play, I would never consider performing shoes off, rack in front
of me and sitting down with headphones.  I'm not sure I'm good enough to
overcome all the collected prejudices I feel my audiences have towards
these things.  I'm in Boston.  Tough fucking crowds here dude.

David



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Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:19 PM
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> Regarding whether people wear shoes or not, sit or stand up, where 
> headphones or not, have their rack in front of them or to the side...
>
> ...who the #!@*!#  cares?  It's about the music, right? Is this a show

> n' tell of subjective opinions on what everyone does, or  just an 
> excuse to criticize personal style?
>
> Good grief...sometimes the topics in this group are best fit for the 
> Opra show.  What's next....whether loopers should wear stage makeup or

> not?  Oh my, what color underwear to you have on when you play?  My 
> god....loopers fall victim to self-esteem problems because of lack of 
> spousal support of their art...I can see it already on the news and 
> headlines.  Cripes o'mighty....please don't wear horizontal stripes 
> when you play...it makes you look fat. Don't make me send you to theh 
> "What Not to Wear" folks on TV
>
> Sorry....bad morning, I guess....need more coffee ;)
>
> Hey, anyone interested in buying my two Vortex units (with foot 
> switches), Boss SX-700,  and Akira? I'm one disgruntled SOB. I was up 
> until midnight tearning my rack down, and condensing to two three 
> space racks, and one four space rack.  I'm using my laptop for some 
> effects, and getting rid of others....just one step closer to going 
> all laptop. The Akria might already be reserved for someone on this 
> group....if that person (you know who you are, sends me a note).
>
> I'll probably put this stuff on eBay this week and get what I paid out

> of it,but I'd rather sell personally via PayPal to avoid the eBay 
> costs (greedy SOBs)
>
> Kris
>
>


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Clubs often do suck, but if you're a loud ensemble, you're probably
going to have to deal with them.

To make it worthwhile to rent a place, hire a PA, someone to do sound,
take out some ads, get someone to run the door, etc. means you need a
good number of people to show up.  If you have enough people who will
pay to see you at your rented hall, then you can probably persuade a
club to book you.  But in a lot of cities, people want to go to "real"
clubs, not some Shriner's Hall in the sticks where there's no booze.


On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:13:49 -0800, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
>    Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at the
> mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks and
> swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals.
> quit wynging
> 
>

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  Two places where people make money in music these days are, 1.Dance 
parties which used to be called raves ,in which people rent halls do 
publicity and mostly hire DJS who work cheaper than bands,except for a few 
bands trying to get a foot in the door by playing for even less than DJs. 
But such bands tend to do well if they're any good. If you haven't checked 
out the Rave/Danceparty/electronica  scene- it can be a good potential 
audience,depending on what yuou do of course.
2 The jam band scene where people actually listen to the music.


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Oops, I didn't get that you were asking for actual software 
suggestions. And I realized the Sooperlooper I mentioned is Linux or OS 
X. But there are a lot of options available for Windows. Moebius seems 
like a very good one. Then there's the plug-ins Lexicon PSP42 and  
Elotronix, allthough they don't do reverse. You can also loop directly 
into Ableton Live if you don't need overdub/feedback looping and can 
stand using the mouse and five seconds tweaking to reverse and 
transpose loops.

/ per

On Mar 8, 2005, at 2:06, hazard factor wrote:
>
> Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and 
> reverse
> functions? I could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?)
>>
>> For some gigs I have used only a laptop, but I wouldn't say
>> I've gone "all laptop" for that. Still there's no software
>> that can match the EDP for "cut up slice looping".


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when I posted I kinda expected a couple of deepgeek loopers to casually say,
yeah, cool.

I didn't expect tips on tabi boots or the really nice feedback (thanks!) or
a ferocious battle over socks and shoes or "Goo-goo-ka-joob!" (?, I mean,
obviously, I am the walrus and all that, but ???)


before I address some of the ableton issues that have flowed through here I
would like to declare:
1) I play gigs standing, and unless it is impossible, barefoot.  I have
mistriggered too many times when clod.  but this also depends on the
trigger/button - the fcb1010 has nice flat triggers.

2) unless your monitors are insanely great (the bose personal amplification
system is almost perfect) your looping will suffer, and when you're mixing 4
or 8 or more loops, the mix will suffer.  so it's headphones for me.  dj
style on stage.


your words, my thoughts:


>>Ahh, but what about basic record/overdub/multiply/half-speed and reverse
functions? I >>could get by with those...any software out there (on PC?)
definitely look at live - I can think of pretty easy ways to do all of your
"basics".  half-speed and reverse are built in, triggering those by foot
might present a bit of a challenge.  a lot of your eventual success with
live revolves around your ability to ditch your preconceptions and learn to
think like a german.  


>>PS I have the Live that came with Protools. Not the full version. Worth
using?
download the live 4 demo from ableton.com.  they (ableton) don't let you you
save sets unless you pay, which (you'll see) is akin to dealing crack.  but
I think it is best to evaluate the most recent package, the synth is awesome
and the midi capabilities completely change the world.


>>Light, comfy, and sensitive enough to hit small switches while standing on
one foot in >>the dark.
I'd like to attend this gig....


>>I couldn't decide which audio interface to get. So, while taking my 
>>sweet time to make up my mind, I just hooked up the computer like any 
>>old piece of gear. I've got two outs from my preamp: one goes into the 
>>miniplug "in" of the powerbook, and the other goes to the Repeater. The 
>>only thing I've added was a midi to usb cable. Then the miniplug "out" 
>>of the powerbook goes into my little mixer that lives at the end of the 
>>signal chain. It's worked fine for all of the 4 weeks I've been doing 
>>it (and I still can't decide which portable audio interface to get). Is 
>>this insane?
this is a solid way of doing it.  an external audio interface would be
superior, it could be rack mounted, those mini stereo cables can get
dislodged easily (and, sometimes, as they become dislodged, damage your
powerbook audio port).  m-audio and edirol make good interfaces for use with
live.  one of the m-audio interfaces has a send/return that would be perfect
for use with the repeater (plus it has 2 headphone jacks).  

if you're in an experimental mood put the repeater between the preamp and
the laptop.  this way you can use live's most excellent effects on your
repeater loops.  dedicate a live channel to the incoming mix of live audio
and repeater audio and put the efx in that channel, not on the master.  eq,
resonator, delay, maybe a gate in front if you're having feedback problems.

eventually, the repeater will become redundant.  it's sweet to have the
volume sliders, but you could do that with a uc-33.  and then you could
control 8 channels instead of 4.  tap tempo, bouncing tracks are pretty easy
in live as well.  


>>overdub, feedback and time-stretch/transpose. Then I would use a midi 
>>pedal to trigger Live clips that send the data to the four Repeater 
>>tracks to transpose into certain chord changes. That would be awesome! 
you could do something similar with the simpler in live4, load it with a
sample, precede it with the midi chord effect.  


>>Live is so much more convenient to program than a FCB1010!!!
this is one of the most important reasons to use live.  normal human beings
can now cope with midi!  it is absurdly simple to setup controllers.  and
the tactile control this provides you over your loops/channel efx/main efx
allows you to play live like a musical  instrument.  


are you actually still reading this obscenely long love ode to live?
really?  well, hopefully this will make it worth it:
http://jamespatten.com/audiopad/  

kim







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trying to figure out the best way to setup my repeater. I have been runnig 
my repeater through my aux send on mackie dfx- 12 mixer. but I sometimes get 
a unwanted reverb effect on the channel I'm trying to loop.

   I use the repeater for live looping. So far I have the roland handsonic, 
Mc 909, mic, Roland V bass, all running into the Mackie dfx 12 Mixer. And 
then the repeater through the Aux send.  If there is a better way please let 
me know....

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The man's got a point! I've got a huge show coming up 4/30 at a club, but after that, I am going to look beyond Clubland.
~Tim

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   Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at the 
mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks and 
swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals. 
quit wynging



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The problem I encounter too frequently with bars /
clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds there
aren't interested.  I played Saturday night to a
fairly packed club, and aside from a handful of folks
who appreciated what we were doing, we were largely
ignored.  I'd prefer to play to a quarter of the
people in smaller, intimate rooms, where they're
actually interested in what we're doing.  

Mike

--- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
> The man's got a point! I've got a huge show coming
> up 4/30 at a club, but after that, I am going to
> look beyond Clubland.
> ~Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Mar 7, 2005 10:13 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: tough Beantown crowds
> 
>    Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians
> beleive they have to be at the 
> mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set
> up a pa sell snacks and 
> swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others
> and put on festivals. 
> quit wynging
> 
> 
> 
> 


	
		
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>>trying to figure out the best way to setup my repeater. I have been runnig 
my repeater through my aux send on mackie dfx- 12 mixer. but I sometimes get 
a unwanted reverb effect on the channel I'm trying to loop.<<

sounds like the repeater is getting a sniff of itself back through the desk. make sure you know how to "dry-mute" the thing (hold stop & hit overdub, I think), & that the aux-send is turned down on whatever channel the repeater is returned on.

incidentally, once you've mastered that, you might want to try turning down the overdub level on the repeater & feeding it back to itself through the aux send I just mentioned. this way, successive repeats can be tailored using the eq on the desk, so you get a gradual roll-off (or -on) of treble or bass, like a tape-delay. by extension, you can add other effects into the feeback loop too.

duncan/r.m.i.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>sounds like the repeater is getting a sniff of itself bac=
k through the desk. make sure you know how to &quot;dry-mute&quot; the thin=
g (hold stop &amp; hit overdub, I think), &amp; that the aux-send is turned=
 down on whatever channel the repeater is returned on.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>incidentally, once you've mastered that, you might want t=
o try turning down the overdub level on the repeater &amp; feeding it back =
to itself through the aux send I just mentioned. this way, successive repea=
ts can be tailored using the eq on the desk, so you get a gradual roll-off =
(or -on) of treble or bass, like a tape-delay. by extension, you can add ot=
her effects into the feeback loop too.</FONT></P>

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Well, if you don't play music suited to that venue, then you should
certainly find other venues.  Clubs and bars (and cafes to a certain
extent) have music to provide a backdrop to the central matters at
hand: drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
partners.


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> The problem I encounter too frequently with bars /
> clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds there
> aren't interested.

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RE: electrix repeater setup...What could be your mixer setup, if you =
want use=20
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                        a repeater=20
                                               a DD-20
                                                              an effect =
processor  ?
fabio
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  >>trying to figure out the best way to setup my repeater. I have been =
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  my repeater through my aux send on mackie dfx- 12 mixer. but I =
sometimes get=20
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  sounds like the repeater is getting a sniff of itself back through the =
desk. make sure you know how to "dry-mute" the thing (hold stop & hit =
overdub, I think), & that the aux-send is turned down on whatever =
channel the repeater is returned on.

  incidentally, once you've mastered that, you might want to try turning =
down the overdub level on the repeater & feeding it back to itself =
through the aux send I just mentioned. this way, successive repeats can =
be tailored using the eq on the desk, so you get a gradual roll-off (or =
-on) of treble or bass, like a tape-delay. by extension, you can add =
other effects into the feeback loop too.

  duncan/r.m.i.=20



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Well, it's not that the music wasn't suited to the
venue so much as the fact that the crowd was just
switched off, doing their own thing.  It happens
sometimes.  

I suppose I should have said I'd prefer to do more
intimate material as well as performing in more
intimate settings.  There was no looping involved in
that gig, it was just a couple of bozos doing rock
covers.  =)  I've been doing that for years, and I
keep making money at it, so on I go.  

My big looping career hasn't yet begun.  I'm still
building my looping setup, and learning everything I
can in the meantime.  =)

But I won't be one of those dudes who lugs along a
looping rig just to play a solo during "Free Bird." 
;)  To me the two worlds are barely connected.  I do
drastically different stuff in the two different
environments. 

Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too.  Jack of all
trades, master of none...

Mike


--- Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, if you don't play music suited to that venue,
> then you should
> certainly find other venues.  Clubs and bars (and
> cafes to a certain
> extent) have music to provide a backdrop to the
> central matters at
> hand: drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit
> of sexual
> partners.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:51 -0800 (PST), mike feeney
> <feeneymike@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The problem I encounter too frequently with bars /
> > clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds
> there
> > aren't interested.
> 
> 


	
		
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p.s.
some mp3 demos added today.
http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/

  Thanks

  Sunao

At 7:05 AM +0900 05.3.8, Sunao Inami wrote:
>Hi LD,
>
>sorry for OT..
>This is my new CD release information.
>I collaborated with Swiss trumpeter/electronic musician,Werner Hasler.
>http://www.manufactur.ch/
>
>in this time,our method is exchange sample sketches via private FTP server.
>Then result electronica/ambient music we made..
>
>TRANSMIT
>HASLER << >> INAMI
>MANUFACTURED AUDIO mf audio#003 (CD only)
>
>some details and mail order available:
>http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/
>
>
>WERNER HASLER
>trumpet,various synth
>recorded at Horsaal,Bern,Switzerland
>www.wernerhasler.com
>
>SUNAO INAMI
>reaktor,absynth
>recorded at CAVE Studio,Kobe,Japan
>www.cavestudio.com
>
>All tracks arranged,produced and mixed by Werner Hasler,
>expect M5R2 taken from DELAYED remix by Sunao Inami
>
>
>Sunao and I met face-to-face for no more than ten minutes - 
>somewhere in a culb.We ware introduced,had a chat,and then 
>split,agreeing to exchange some of our work:we have not met since.
>The music in Transmit came from the agreed upload Sunao to me. We 
>have not talked about it,and neither did we construct any common 
>musical plans.
>The file come just one way - to me - so there was no collaboration 
>on what has happened with it since. I downloaded sounds,soundscapes 
>and half-finished tunes of his,and I uploaded my work in return.
>After downloading the file,I listened before I cut and shaped his 
>sounds,taking extracts and looping parts. I added my own sounds from 
>different sources,such as a diverse set of treatments from my 
>trumpet recordings,various samplings,and some analogue 
>synthesizing.I created arrangements by playing with 
>sound,colours,cutting some of them and putting the whole thing in a 
>frame of rhythm and melody - or using what I created as a frame for 
>additional rhythms and melodies.
>The unguided and unrestricted use of Sunao's very personal 
>ideas,which ware unfamiliar to me,was a very refreshing way to 
>work.This music began from the ideas of a very real person,yet 
>developed with that person as only virtual partner - pure input and 
>no restriction.
>Sunao produced the recordings,DELAYED (electr-ohm released in Japan 
>2004,using the sounds and beats of Rick Walker,Roberto 
>Zorzi,Slacknote and Werner Hasler)
>  Werner Hasler
>
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Sunao Inami
>http://www.cavestudio.com

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Hi all,

I'm coming into this thread late (as per usual) but no matter.

Doing club gigs. Hmmm. I generally don't do them anymore.=20
I'm too selfish -- and too old too, but that's besides the point.
I have my own motivations for doing the music I do anyway
and hardly any of them have to do with commerce, alcohol
(or caffeine) consumption or similar/related concerns.

Pity the poor club owners though. They've got to make a living too.=20
It's pretty damn rare that you'll find a club owner that is REALLY=20
in it for the "love of the music." For putting up with us whinny=20
musicians, querulous customers, piss and barf who knows what=20
all else I'm not sure even money would be enough, quite frankly.

People (audiences) come out to clubs for a variety of reasons
more of them having to do with their social habits than with
any cultural (artistic) consideration. They wanna party. They=20
wanna dance. They wanna get falling-down pissed, drunk.
They wanna talk. More power to them I guess.=20

A club owner and his customers have a commercial relationship
that benefits both quite well as long as things are working well.
Music can be a good lubricant in their relationship as long as it
serves THEIR mutually cross-feeding purposes and doesn't
go off trying to do something on its own -- as if it actually
meant something on it's own. Then it becomes an irritant.

As entertainment and/or diversion it's plenty fine -- as long as=20
it doesn't go get a big head and start thinking of itself as "Art."
If it does, watch out! Heheh. There'll be trouble brewin' fer sure.
Neither the club owner nor the club audience much appreciate
anything that thwarts them in the pursuit of their real goals -- the=20
exchange of money for a few moments of stuporous release.

If you take yourself a little too seriously as a musician and start
thinking of what you do as "Art" you'd be better off playing in an
art gallery, rented theater, legion hall, or some fan's living room=20
(or basement) than in the typical club. There's always the a-typical=20
club, but there's no counting on one being available in your area.=20

For any musician whose reasons for wanting to get into music=20
in the first place are merely musical ones, a bar is not the best
venue to be. You've got to be the sort that's really into it for
the party, the drinks, the promise of sex, or the minor local-celeb=20
hero-worship. And, you've got to actually LIKE your audience=20
and want THEIR esteem more than your own self-esteem.

Loopers don't tend to be that sort . . . I don't think. They tend to=20
be thoughtful, but still pretty much, self-communing shoe-gazers
for the most part. I know I'm like that mostly . . . still. I'd be much
happier doing intermission music at a poetry-reading than the "life
of the party" at the beginning of someone's weekend-long bender.

Finding the right audience for your music can be the hardest
part of making music. If you make music for only yourself
and your own unique motivations, perhaps there are times
when you may be that music's only possible appreciative=20
audience too. Sad, but it's something to think about.

It's something I wonder about a good deal. Much of what I   do
musically would be a better soundtrack for a torture session=20
than a poetry reading -- but then some folks would consider=20
those occasions to be synonymous anyway.   It seems to me
that the CD -- and now the MP3 -- offer the best hope of an=20
audience for mutant, mis-begotten musical forms.=20

I'm   trying to learn to be happy with that.

Cheers,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Ari=
al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Hi all,<BR>
<BR>
I'm coming into this thread late (as per usual) but no matter.<BR>
<BR>
Doing club gigs. Hmmm. I generally don't do them anymore. <BR>
I'm too selfish -- and too old too, but that's besides the point.<BR>
I have my own motivations for doing the music I do anyway<BR>
and hardly any of them have to do with commerce, alcohol<BR>
(or caffeine) consumption or similar/related concerns.<BR>
<BR>
Pity the poor club owners though. They've got to make a living too. <BR>
It's pretty damn rare that you'll find a club owner that is REALLY <BR>
in it for the "love of the music." For putting up with us whinny <BR>
musicians, querulous customers, piss and barf who knows what <BR>
all else I'm not sure even money would be enough, quite frankly.<BR>
<BR>
People (audiences) come out to clubs for a variety of reasons<BR>
more of them having to do with their social habits than with<BR>
any cultural (artistic) consideration. They wanna party. They <BR>
wanna dance. They wanna get falling-down pissed, drunk.<BR>
They wanna talk. More power to them I guess. <BR>
<BR>
A club owner and his customers have a commercial relationship<BR>
that benefits both quite well as long as things are working well.<BR>
Music can be a good lubricant in their relationship as long as it<BR>
serves THEIR mutually cross-feeding purposes and doesn't<BR>
go off trying to do something on its own -- as if it actually<BR>
meant something on it's own. Then it becomes an irritant.<BR>
<BR>
As entertainment and/or diversion it's plenty fine -- as long as <BR>
it doesn't go get a big head and start thinking of itself as "Art."<BR>
If it does, watch out! Heheh. There'll be trouble brewin' fer sure.<BR>
Neither the club owner nor the club audience much appreciate<BR>
anything that thwarts them in the pursuit of their real goals -- the <BR>
exchange of money for a few moments of stuporous release.<BR>
<BR>
If you take yourself a little too seriously as a musician and start<BR>
thinking of what you do as "Art" you'd be better off playing in an<BR>
art gallery, rented theater, legion hall, or some fan's living room <BR>
(or basement) than in the typical club. There's always the a-typical <BR>
club, but there's no counting on one being available in your area. <BR>
<BR>
For any musician whose reasons for wanting to get into music <BR>
in the first place are merely musical ones, a bar is not the best<BR>
venue to be. You've got to be the sort that's really into it for<BR>
the party, the drinks, the promise of sex, or the minor local-celeb <BR>
hero-worship. And, you've got to actually LIKE your audience <BR>
and want THEIR esteem more than your own self-esteem.<BR>
<BR>
Loopers don't tend to be that sort . . . I don't think. They tend to <BR>
be thoughtful, but still pretty much, self-communing shoe-gazers<BR>
for the most part. I know I'm like that mostly . . . still. I'd be much<BR>
happier doing intermission music at a poetry-reading than the "life<BR>
of the party" at the beginning of someone's weekend-long bender.<BR>
<BR>
Finding the right audience for your music can be the hardest<BR>
part of making music. If you make music for only yourself<BR>
and your own unique motivations, perhaps there are times<BR>
when you may be that music's only possible appreciative <BR>
audience too. Sad, but it's something to think about.<BR>
<BR>
It's something I wonder about a good deal. Much of what I&nbsp;  do<BR>
musically would be a better soundtrack for a torture session <BR>
than a poetry reading -- but then some folks would consider <BR>
those occasions to be synonymous anyway.&nbsp;  It seems to me<BR>
that the CD -- and now the MP3 -- offer the best hope of an <BR>
audience for mutant, mis-begotten musical forms. <BR>
<BR>
I'm&nbsp;  trying to learn to be happy with that.<BR>
<BR>
Cheers,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
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Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. I'd 
appreciate any answer(s) that I can get.

I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping pedal. 
I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are complex 
and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I 
sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of 10 
seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other 
functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another.

Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my 
best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to 
samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help!

Thanks,

nato


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Mike Feeny wrote:

But I won't be one of those dudes who lugs along a looping rig just to play
a solo during "Free Bird." ;)  
<snip>

Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too.  Jack of all trades, master of none...

---->The background for a solo on Freebird is approximately 4 seconds--
You could do that with a $99 Digitech delay pedal--
And many bluegrass(and Celtic!) tunes can be played over short loops.

As far as the loving support of your fellow man, good luck . . . I've been
playing music for money for almost 30 years now and still don't have a
handle on how to successful blend art and commerce--but I sure admire those
talented and hardworking people who can keep the public's attention with
music (or other art) that they create without compromise.

Best to all,
Gary
PS  the Walrus quote had to do with the groove of the piece Kim G was
performing
G


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> Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too.  Jack of all
> trades, master of none...

We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting 
work...

"An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less until he 
knows everything about nothing."
"A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and more until 
he knows nothing about everything."

:)

Tony 

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At the risk of offending, I vote for the DL4, follwed closely by the RC-20.
Both of these are easy to use-you can be looping in minutes!
Also each has the necessary sample time.
I favor the RC-20 for this situation as you can store loops and it also has
loads more sample time.
But the DL4 is an actual delay pedal--and that winds up being more artful in
the end--making it a better deal.
If you can afford an extra hundred, the Boomerang is probably also a good
choice.
This one might be good:
http://www.backline-eng.com/ 
Gary

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Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. I'd
appreciate any answer(s) that I can get.

I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping pedal.

I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are complex
and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I
sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of 10
seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other
functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another.

Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my
best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to
samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help!

Thanks,

nato




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At 12:38 PM -0500 3/8/05, Tony K wrote:
>>Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too.  Jack of all
>>trades, master of none...
>
>We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting work...
>
>"An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less 
>until he knows everything about nothing."
>"A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and 
>more until he knows nothing about everything."
>
>:)
>
>Tony

Back when I was doing my post (Berklee) graduate work at Boston cab, 
I was driving a fellow from the airport to one of the downtown 
hotels. We got to talking and I asked him what he did. He said he was 
a consultant. I asked him what that was and he said that a consultant 
is a person who knows an infinite number of ways to have sex but 
doesn't know any girls.  I vowed never to become a consultant.


Edwin
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Boulder CO
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Edwin?!? You recorded me at Heart Punch Studios (Brookline, MA) back in 1987! What have you been up to in the ensuing 18 years (LOL)????

Yours in Hub Cats,
Tim Mungenast
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At 12:38 PM -0500 3/8/05, Tony K wrote:
>>Oh, and I'm in a Bluegrass band too.  Jack of all
>>trades, master of none...
>
>We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting work...
>
>"An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less 
>until he knows everything about nothing."
>"A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and 
>more until he knows nothing about everything."
>
>:)
>
>Tony

Back when I was doing my post (Berklee) graduate work at Boston cab, 
I was driving a fellow from the airport to one of the downtown 
hotels. We got to talking and I asked him what he did. He said he was 
a consultant. I asked him what that was and he said that a consultant 
is a person who knows an infinite number of ways to have sex but 
doesn't know any girls.  I vowed never to become a consultant.


Edwin
-- 

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
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WOW
turned on the tele last nite to catch my friend <Jenelex> on the Discovery
channel show POWERTOOL DRAG RACING.  she was driving 'The Phoenix Chainsaw
Chopper' and she lost :-(
and next, to my surprise there's KIMFLINT and partner, together called
<CHAIN HUR> w/ their radio controlled chainsaw<GLADIATRIX> and their
contraption beats<APOCAYPTIC FIST OF BLACK DEATH> and wins the race.
coupla interviews w/ Kim and it all looked too cool...
good to see you get out once in a while, Kim
ok back to loop smack.
staninsanfran

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A wonderful post by Ted. Thanks.

Warning, after reading what I wrote below, I noticed it's somewhat
disjointed and aimless, and prolly waaaayyy too long, but I didn't
have time to shorten it up. Anway, what follows is some further
observations and thoughts on the matter.

The majority of my performing is in bars, but very rarely as a looper.
My primary live performance outlet is with an Eastern-Iowa-based
Celtic folk/pub-tunes band called Wylde Nept. When I auditioned for
them almost 2 years ago, I knew I was walking into a sweet deal--over
the 10 years that they had existed, they had carved out a niche that
allowed them to play traditional Irish and Scottish tunes (not *all*
about drinking) but also allowed them the ability to play original
songs as well. It's quite interesting to see how this band has thrived
while being the only local band to not have Mustang Sally or Messin'
with the Kid in its playlist. (I wish I was exaggerating.)

Anyway, I was prompted to bring this up because of Ted's message. When
I originally set out to re-enter the live performance game, I'd had
visions of forming a jazz/funk trio that would rely heavily on looping
as well as doing soundscape performances at any of the bevy of coffee
houses around here. I had naively thought that people went out for the
same reason I did: to hear live performances of good music. The more I
observed the crowds, the more I realized how wrong I was. The crowds I
observed were much more interested in watching the ESPN feed or
chatting up some fine-looking human specimen or w-h-y than actually
listening to the music. Sometimes, though very rarely, they danced.

When I played my first bar gig with Wylde Nept, I couldn't believe
what I heard/saw with that crowd. They were an audience, not a crowd
of barflies and meat marketeers. They sang along; they followed along
with the 'audience participation' ("A Mighty Wind" pegs this, btw);
they danced; they even sat in relative silence for the slow,
melancholy love songs.

I've also had the fortune of meeting bar owners and booking guys who
*seem* to be interested in preserving live music. One bar owner in
western Illinois even made the comment that he runs a dance club so
that he can keep his live music venue open. Oddly, it's one of maybe 3
bars/clubs that have live music in a metro area that  probably has
well over 300k people. Yeah, it's no Boston or Chicago, but that's
still a lot of people to be served by only 3 live music venues. And he
still has to run that dance club to keep the live music bar open. Sad.

As for the looping performances and finding actual audiences, I've
really only found new music concerts geared toward 'classical' or
'art' or 'concert' music (whatever you wish to call it) to be
appropriate around here. In fact, the only live looping I've done in
the past 2 years has been in that type of setting. I'm sure the fact
that I also regularly write for chamber groups helps me get live
looping pieces onto concerts and into festivals. It's the only
performance situation that consistently provides an *audience*. For
those of you who are tired of playing for the meat marketeers who seem
annoyed to chat up their conquests over the din of your music, perhaps
you should check for some sort of new music forum in your area.

For example, I am co-chair of the Iowa Composers Forum. Every year, we
host at least one festival--usually a couple days of concerts,
discussions, and presentations; the concerts feature only works by
member composers. As one of the hosts of the most recent festival, I
can assure you that composers who provide performers for their works
get special consideration in programming. As such, performing it
yourself immediately gives you a leg up on the poor saps who submit
brass quintets and string quartets and mixed septets.

ICF is an independent organization, and there are many others around
the US. There are also a number of statewide and regional chapters of
the American Composers Forum. Dr. Zvonar, it appears, is a member of
the Los Angeles chapter of ACF. There is also the Society of
Composers, Inc. (SCI), although despite a name change they are still
geared much more toward composers associated with educational
institutions (they began life as the American Society of University
Composers---Zappa fans may recognize that name).

The downside to performing your own works at these type of forum
events? Often, you get one slot that is more or less time-limited, and
is intended to be used to present a single piece. Granted, that single
piece could have multiple movements, but you're not going to squeeze
in an hour-long soundscapes set. Depending on who is hosting the
festival and/or coordinating the concert, improvisations may or may
not fly. We're hosting a mini-festival this coming Saturday that has
one concert (along with a master class with Peter Schickele). On this
concert there will be an improvised piece, but I can count the number
of improvisations featured on ICF concerts since I've joined on one
hand.

The biggest potential downside, however, is the money. Depending on
the policies of the group and/or the budget of the concert/festival,
composers who perform their own work may be doing so gratis. Also, it
is certainly not customary to have a SWAG table in the lobby for after
the concert.

So, you're not gonna make much/any money playing at those concerts.
But you'll have an attentive audience, most of whom with ears that far
surpass those meat-marketeers who keep shouting for you to turn it
down or at least have the decency to play Mustang Sally. You'll also
have the opportunity to network with musicians and composers who share
stylistic interests (trust me, they'll let you know) which may lead to
future paying gigs. Our concert this Saturday is the direct result of
wanting to provide two very talented pianists with a paid gig.

As to Ted's rather bleak premonition about the future of live
music...I can only hope he proves to be wrong.


Cheers,

Jon Southwood

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I'm not sure about the new model, but the original Akai Headrush had
the capability of recording up to 11.9 seconds while still allowing
overdubs or up to 23.8 seconds without allowing overdubs. The Headrush
was my first looper, and I loved it. The user interface is simple and
intuitive (or was to me). My wants quickly outgrew its capabilities,
though, and I moved on to an EDP (although at one point, I had the
Headrush, EDP, and Line 6 DL-4 all in the rig at the same time). The
original Headrush was going for a premium on ebay for a while (mine
actually sold for more than I paid for it originally), but now that
the 2nd version of it is available, I'd imagine they're going for less
these days.

The Line 6 DL-4 would also work. It has a maximum of 14 seconds of
loop time (unless you record at half-speed, then you get 28 seconds at
half the sample rate). I think I read somewhere that these have been
discontinued, which is a shame. I'm not sure what they're going for on
ebay.

Since it doesn't seem to matter to you whether or not you have the
capability of adjusting the feedback of the loop, you will not be
annoyed by the lack of that function in either the Headrush E1 or the
DL-4.

Good luck,

Jon Southwood




On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:27:06 -0500, nato sp <natosp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. I'd
> appreciate any answer(s) that I can get.
> 
> I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping pedal.
> I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are complex
> and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I
> sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of 10
> seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other
> functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another.
> 
> Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my
> best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to
> samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> nato
> 
>

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On Mar 8, 2005, at 18:17, Sunao Inami wrote:

> p.s.
> some mp3 demos added today.
> http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/distro/mfau/
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Sunao


Wow, those clips do really sound interesting to me :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi All,
I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now, 
but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the 
ranks of wanna-be loopers! 

I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic 
(saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change 
to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with 
the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I 
ask questions that are staggeringly obvious!

Here's my first problem:
When looping live with other players, is there any way to 
diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other 
instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? 


Thanks,
Tom Hall
www.freeimprovisation.com

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You will want to get a mic that clips onto the bell.
AKG makes a relatively inexpensive one (something like the C419 or some 
such
thing) that works pretty well for isolating your axe. There are various 
others that
range wildly in price.

On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:55 PM, <tohall@rcn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now,
> but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the
> ranks of wanna-be loopers!
>
> I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic
> (saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change
> to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with
> the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I
> ask questions that are staggeringly obvious!
>
> Here's my first problem:
> When looping live with other players, is there any way to
> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other
> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hall
> www.freeimprovisation.com
>
>
>
--
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tom
the key is to get a mic and/or pickup combo that has
good "rejection" of off-axis sound. mics with good
rejection are generally cardioid or hypercardioid
(the name means "heart-shaped") and reject sound
coming from behind and to a lesser extent from the
side. i've know sax players to get good results from
"bell" mics - the kind that clip on the the lip of the bell
or use a mount that floats the mic within the bell.
i believe there are also sax pickups that can be
retrofitted to your instrument with minimal modification,
though i know much less about these. of course there
is also the totally electronic approach with instruments
like the yamaha wx7 and such that eschew acoustics
for a synthesized tone. positioning yourself onstage
is another obvious solution. trickier approaches using
gates in your audio chain could be used as a last resort.
hope this helps
cheers
bruce

On Mar 8, 2005, at 2:55 PM, <tohall@rcn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now,
> but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the
> ranks of wanna-be loopers!
>
> I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic
> (saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change
> to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with
> the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I
> ask questions that are staggeringly obvious!
>
> Here's my first problem:
> When looping live with other players, is there any way to
> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other
> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hall
> www.freeimprovisation.com
>
>
>
bruce tovsky
www.skeletonhome.com

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I'm forwarding this message back to the list.

I can't say whether the DD-20 or DD-6 would work. I suspect the DD-20
would, but I haven't been in the same room with one. Ted Killian is
practically an evangelist for the DD-20 (*not* a bad thing; he
answered all sorts of my questions about it and has me strongly
considering replacing my DL-4 with it). On paper, the DD-20 would
certainly do what you want, with a 23 second maximum.


On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:44:42 -0500, nato sp <natosp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks a lot for the response. I was wondering, what about the Boss DD-20
> Giga Delay? At $200 or so new, it's the cheapest thing I've found. Also, do
> you think a Boss DD-6 could work? I think it has about 8 seconds of
> delay...Let me know. Thanks again.
> 
> nato
> 
> >From: Jon Southwood <jsouthwood@gmail.com>
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> >Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:26:13 -0600
> >
> >I'm not sure about the new model, but the original Akai Headrush had
> >the capability of recording up to 11.9 seconds while still allowing
> >overdubs or up to 23.8 seconds without allowing overdubs. The Headrush
> >was my first looper, and I loved it. The user interface is simple and
> >intuitive (or was to me). My wants quickly outgrew its capabilities,
> >though, and I moved on to an EDP (although at one point, I had the
> >Headrush, EDP, and Line 6 DL-4 all in the rig at the same time). The
> >original Headrush was going for a premium on ebay for a while (mine
> >actually sold for more than I paid for it originally), but now that
> >the 2nd version of it is available, I'd imagine they're going for less
> >these days.
> >
> >The Line 6 DL-4 would also work. It has a maximum of 14 seconds of
> >loop time (unless you record at half-speed, then you get 28 seconds at
> >half the sample rate). I think I read somewhere that these have been
> >discontinued, which is a shame. I'm not sure what they're going for on
> >ebay.
> >
> >Since it doesn't seem to matter to you whether or not you have the
> >capability of adjusting the feedback of the loop, you will not be
> >annoyed by the lack of that function in either the Headrush E1 or the
> >DL-4.
> >
> >Good luck,
> >
> >Jon Southwood
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:27:06 -0500, nato sp <natosp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question.
> >I'd
> > > appreciate any answer(s) that I can get.
> > >
> > > I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping
> >pedal.
> > > I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are
> >complex
> > > and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them while I
> > > sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a riff of
> >10
> > > seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want any other
> > > functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one another.
> > >
> > > Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my
> > > best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to
> > > samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please
> >help!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > nato
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
>

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I've got a Shure wireless setup with a Shure SM98 mic that I 
usually use for performing.

I haven't  tried it onstage yet with the Boomerang, but when 
I practice with a fairly loud recording, there is still 
background noise. I don't know how much of a problem this 
will be when playing with a loud band!?

Any experiences? 
Tom

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:16:29 -0600
>From: Michael Firman <maf@mlswebworks.com>  
>Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question  
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>
>You will want to get a mic that clips onto the bell.
>AKG makes a relatively inexpensive one (something like the 
C419 or some 
>such
>thing) that works pretty well for isolating your axe. There 
are various 
>others that
>range wildly in price.
>
>On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:55 PM, <tohall@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Here's my first problem:
>> When looping live with other players, is there any way to
>> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other
>> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hall
>> www.freeimprovisation.com

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I meant to add that the SM98 is a clip on and a super cartiod 
condenser mike - I think it has a pretty tight pattern.
Tom

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>I've got a Shure wireless setup with a Shure SM98 mic that I 
>usually use for performing.
>
>I haven't  tried it onstage yet with the Boomerang, but when 
>I practice with a fairly loud recording, there is still 
>background noise. I don't know how much of a problem this 
>will be when playing with a loud band!?
>
>Any experiences? 
>Tom
>

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i'm not much of a saxist, but i play one on tv.
remember most of the sax sound comes out the keyholes.
if you are already getting the sound you want from your bell mic,
you are lucky.  i find that i can't.  surprisingly it winds up way too bright
(i expected a darker sound)

anyway, there are a few pickups that attach to the mouthpiece that supposedly
can get better rejection plus a more natural tone than a mic in the bell.  
i've tried this approach on trumpet and like it pretty well.  
one thing extra rejection allows is the use of guitar amps/effects
to get otherwoldly sounds (distorto-wah-echo etc) these things can cause
quite a mess of feedback with a microphone on a club stage, 
not that there's anything wrong with that, 
if that's your taste, times being what they are...

...
> When looping live with other players, is there any way to 
> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other 
> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops? 
...

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A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase.


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:55:20 -0500, tohall@rcn.com <tohall@rcn.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I've been perusing the site and the Archives for awhile now,
> but have recently gotten a Boomerang, and have joined the
> ranks of wanna-be loopers!
> 
> I am having a lot of fun! However, as an strictly acoustic
> (saxophone) musician for most of my life, it is a BIG change
> to have to ponder with the realities of dealing directly with
> the electronic reproduction of sound. Please be patient if I
> ask questions that are staggeringly obvious!
> 
> Here's my first problem:
> When looping live with other players, is there any way to
> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other
> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hall
> www.freeimprovisation.com
> 
>

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Travis hits a key word here: booze.

:-)

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> Clubs often do suck, but if you're a loud ensemble, you're probably
> going to have to deal with them.
>
> To make it worthwhile to rent a place, hire a PA, someone to do sound,
> take out some ads, get someone to run the door, etc. means you need a
> good number of people to show up.  If you have enough people who will
> pay to see you at your rented hall, then you can probably persuade a
> club to book you.  But in a lot of cities, people want to go to "real"
> clubs, not some Shriner's Hall in the sticks where there's no booze.
>
>
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:13:49 -0800, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >    Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at
the
> > mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks
and
> > swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals.
> > quit wynging
> >
> >
>

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Hmmm...  Travis has a point.  Who here has not discovered that their music
is not afterall merely a backdrop to the important conversations that people
need to gave at the moment we thought we were supposed to be entertaining?
:-)

As to the "...drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
partners.."  Dude, could there be children who were conceived after some of
our performances?

Do you think branding my next gig as "Midwifing your drug consumption,
socializing and the pursuit of sexual partners..." would get a few more
people into the room?

What would Larry think?

:-))

David

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> Well, if you don't play music suited to that venue, then you should
> certainly find other venues.  Clubs and bars (and cafes to a certain
> extent) have music to provide a backdrop to the central matters at
> hand: drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
> partners.
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:51 -0800 (PST), mike feeney
> <feeneymike@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > The problem I encounter too frequently with bars /
> > clubs are just the simple fact that the crowds there
> > aren't interested.
>

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In my experience when I've played small towns and out of the way locations
the reception I receive is far warmer and more engaging than my experiences
playing in Boston.

Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me.  Maybe it's just
the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated
to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
partners...


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Beantown? There's a bunch of murderers in that town.

David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:In my experience when I've played small towns and out of the way locations
the reception I receive is far warmer and more engaging than my experiences
playing in Boston.

Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me. Maybe it's just
the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated
to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
partners...




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At 02:37 PM 3/7/2005, Edwin Hurwitz wrote:
>I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am thinking 
>about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz 15") and was 
>wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac and if so, what 
>software they use.

Well, I'm coming in late to the party as usual (work's been killing me, so 
I'm behind on listmail), but since I somewhat resemble this scenario I 
should probably chime in....

In its simplest form, my new(est) setup has me utilizing one of the tiny 
12" G4 Powerbooks to process and loop sound from my Chapman Stick.  My host 
software is Ableton Live 4.1.  Even beyond its core functionality, Ableton 
Live is great as a software mixer and VST/AU host.  I'm using an Edirol 
FA-101 firewire soundcard -- which is 10-in, 10-out -- so I've been able to 
dispense with a mixer entirely by taking advantage of the extra feeds on 
the Edirol and routing/mixing directly within Live.

Within Ableton, I'm using a couple instances of Augustus Loop for most of 
my looping.  I've been playing around with SooperLooper as well, but I'm 
running into some flaky Jack issues at the moment and haven't been able to 
take full advantage of it.

For effects, there are some excellent modules that already come with 
Ableton Live (I really like the filtered delay and the bit-reducer, for 
instance, and I believe Per has already mentioned Live's reverb).  You can 
quickly eat up a lot of your CPU by piling these suckers on, however, so 
that fact prompted me to pick up a TC Electronics Powercore.  That solution 
now allows me to offload my commonly used ambient effects -- like chorus, 
delay, and reverb -- to the Powercore, and save my CPU cycles for more 
esoteric plugs like Koen Tang's KTGranulator, Audio Damage's 
Dischord/Deverb, or DestroyFX's Skidder.

I've got a couple of other outboard units integrated into the setup as 
well.  I wanted to get the noise gate and compressor plug-ins off my CPU, 
so I've got the Stick run into an M-Audio DMP3 preamp to achieve proper 
gain staging, then into one of the new ART TCS dual optical-VCA 
compressors/expanders (or, rather, that's how things should look tomorrow 
afternoon: the ART was on backorder and FedEx has it en route to me even 
now).  I thought I would be able to use the Powercore for this task, but it 
*does* add a tiny amount of latency, and given the fact that I frequently 
use compressors in an effects send (rather than an insert) I was starting 
to recreate some of the Repeater's "dry-mute" issues with inadvertent 
flanging.  This Powercore quirk is actually really easy to correct for in a 
situation where you're using pre-recorded material (such as mixdown or 
mastering).  However, this is "live" processing and not so easy to get 
around it here.

Three other hardware units have made it into the setup: my Lexicon Vortex, 
because it's a new purchase and it's kewl and I've been dying to use it; a 
Yamaha Magicstomp, because it's a great little swiss-army-knife stompbox; 
and finally a Model-C Sustainiac.  The Sustainiac is primarily tied into 
the laptop so that I can control which output from the Stick gets fed back 
into it (remember, the Chapman Stick has two outputs -- a bass side and a 
melody side), or I can feed back tones that have nothing to do with what 
I'm actually playing (i.e. synth drones).

Back on the software side, I've got a lot of software synths, but I'm 
trying to be conservative and have as much sound generated live.  However, 
if I were pressed to name a couple I can't live without, I'd definitely say 
Spectrasonics Atmosphere and Steinberg D'Cota.  Also, since the Powercore 
sounds so good, I'm playing with the idea of grabbing the software version 
of the Access Virus too.

Hrm, probably more info than you wanted there.  Par for the course, for one 
of my typical posts, but hopefully you can get something from it....

         --m.

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
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http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/Members/000158389_000025047.mp3

This is the only thing like this I have recorded. 
Technically it isn't looped cause I made it with a
DL-4 with a broken looper.  It is one of the delay
modes oscilating while I played over it.  Hope to get
some decent gear soon and make more stuff similar but
better than this.  Just thought I would share.

Peace,

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This all sounds very interesting--do you have any mustic posted?


On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:18:42 -0600, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> At 02:37 PM 3/7/2005, Edwin Hurwitz wrote:
> >I am coming back to this list after many years of absence. I am thinking
> >about utilizing my laptop for this (Mac Powerbook 1.5 ghz 15") and was
> >wondering how many folks on this list are using a mac and if so, what
> >software they use.
> 
> Well, I'm coming in late to the party as usual (work's been killing me, so
> I'm behind on listmail), but since I somewhat resemble this scenario I
> should probably chime in....

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     The version I had of this in the late 70s was : A specialist is someone 
who learns more and more about less and less ...etc.
   Then there was the generalist who was so broadminded he was 
scatterbrained.

>We had this saying when I was doing engineering/programming consulting 
>work...
>
>"An expert is someone who learns more and more about less and less until he 
>knows everything about nothing."
>"A consultant is someone who learns less and less about more and more until 
>he knows nothing about everything."
>


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   For some strange reason alot of people seem to think musicians from 
somewhere else are more significant than the local ones,seems to be true all 
over.But folks in smaller towns tend have less entertainment options and are 
less jaded. Though with internet ,cable etc such distinctions are 
dissaperaring to some extent
   I generally find tough audiences boring,but for a band it's like lifting 
wieghts.The Beatles never would have gotten as good as they did if they 
hadn't played the joints they did in Hamburg.And they did 5 or 6 sets a 
night. Not that they were great players,but they were a great band cause 
they knew how to move people,What better way top learn than on the 
disinterested,if you can move them,the others are trivial. Carlos Santana 
started out playing blues in Whorehouses in Tijuana.If you really beleive 
people need booze to have a good time ,then I think it's a matter of using 
the club gigs and disinterested audiences for exercise.In which case the 
only worthwhile attitude is Take No Prisoners.     Personally I prefer to 
play to the psychedelics crowd-they listen and are ready to be taken  
somewhere.
But I know from experience it's possible to self promote.The idea that if 
you have a draw the clubs will hire you anyway means you have to cut them in 
on the profits.If you already have a draw,why do that?
  Same with recording deals .If I own 100% of the product I only have to 
sell 10% as much as the standard contracts,to make the same net.
   If I was in Boston ,where you can't spit without hitting a college,(there 
must be dozens in the greater area) I'd start doing free gigs on campuses, 
appear on college radio(always make friends with station mgrs and Djs 
,remember their names for later promos Personal contact can get your stuff 
on the air.),and then advertise self produced events.Also student 
organizations have money to promote cultural events.Student groups also have 
free or very cheap use of campus facilities,and there are often people who 
are interested in learning to put on events who can work with you. People 
will tend to identify with music they hear  and like during high 
school/college years.This is why major labels pay close attention to what's 
happening on campuses. At early stages it's not too hard to get people to 
help you fro little or nothing if they think it's going to go somewhere,or 
if they think they'll be able to soak up excess groupies,free beer, etc. Or 
you can find a  wacko subculture to become the soundtrack for.
For  eccentrics like Ted-well I'm sure there aren't any others like him,but 
aside from old style polite quiet poetrey readings,there is the Poetry Slam 
movement,which prides itself on intensity, and dynamic delivery (Which can 
be torturous as well)Playing inventive music in such scenes can be very good 
indeed,artistically if not financially.I've performed with poets a number of 
times-great times. Art openings are another potential place to be heard by 
people with adventurous tastes,and generally include free wine and food. 
It's of course crucial to put out a mailing list next to the CDs and swag 
during all such outings.


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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:51:06 -0800, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:

> But I know from experience it's possible to self promote.The idea that if
> you have a draw the clubs will hire you anyway means you have to cut them in
> on the profits.If you already have a draw,why do that?

Because not everyone has the money or time to set up their own shows. 
A club is a good solution if you're making music that's popular,
particularly among people who like to buy drinks.  If you're making
non-popular music for non-drinkers, by all means rent out the
Shriner's Hall.

>    If I was in Boston ,where you can't spit without hitting a college,(there
> must be dozens in the greater area) I'd start doing free gigs on campuses,
> appear on college radio(always make friends with station mgrs and Djs
> ,remember their names for later promos Personal contact can get your stuff
> on the air.),and then advertise self produced events.Also student
> organizations have money to promote cultural events.Student groups also have
> free or very cheap use of campus facilities,and there are often people who
> are interested in learning to put on events who can work with you. 

If I never have to deal with another student group, it'll be too soon.
 By definition they don't know what they're doing--that's why they're
in schoo.l  And they tend to be flakey, self-important and there's a
high turnover in student organizations.  I found them frustrating when
I was a student, and they don't seem to have improved in subsequent
years.

The other problem with trying to play a college is that you're
competing with all the bands made up of...students.  They're being
subsidized by their folks or the government, they have the time to
schmooze the students running the student center, and the stand a much
better chance of being able to deliver an audience of students once
they tell everyone in their dorm that they're playing a show in the
quad on Saturday night.

People
> will tend to identify with music they hear  and like during high
> school/college years.This is why major labels pay close attention to what's
> happening on campuses. At early stages it's not too hard to get people to
> help you fro little or nothing if they think it's going to go somewhere,or
> if they think they'll be able to soak up excess groupies,free beer, etc. 

Please.  There's no such thing as "excess groupies".  No wait--do they
bring the free beer?

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And how would one invert the phase?
Use two mics?

Travis:
>
>A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase.
>
>> Tom:
>> 
>> Here's my first problem:
>> When looping live with other players, is there any way to
>> diminish/control the amount of extraneous noise from other
>> instruments and monitors onstage building up in my loops?
>> 

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The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which has a phase invert
switch.  Really.


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> And how would one invert the phase?
> Use two mics?
> 
> Travis:
> >
> >A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase.
> >

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What does inverting the phase accomplish?  I guess I
don't understand what that means exactly.


--- Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which
> has a phase invert
> switch.  Really.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500, tohall@rcn.com
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> > And how would one invert the phase?
> > Use two mics?
> > 
> > Travis:
> > >
> > >A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert
> the phase.
> > >
> 
> 


	
		
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Cool - I googled it, but only came up with the 2 mic thing.
I'll have to try it. Does it affect the sound quality much? 


---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:52:18 -0800
>From: Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>  
>Subject: Re: Noob saxist feedback question  
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which has a 
phase invert
>switch.  Really.
>
>
>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500, tohall@rcn.com 
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>> And how would one invert the phase?
>> Use two mics?
>> 
>> Travis:
>> >
>> >A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert the phase.
>> >
>

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Samba man i am with you! if i can get the
disinterested ones to listen to what i like to play,
then i ive made it(well and the girls attention too
off course)
cheers
Luis



--- samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
>    For some strange reason alot of people seem to
> think musicians from 
> somewhere else are more significant than the local
> ones,seems to be true all 
> over.But folks in smaller towns tend have less
> entertainment options and are 
> less jaded. Though with internet ,cable etc such
> distinctions are 
> dissaperaring to some extent
>    I generally find tough audiences boring,but for a
> band it's like lifting 
> wieghts.The Beatles never would have gotten as good
> as they did if they 
> hadn't played the joints they did in Hamburg.And
> they did 5 or 6 sets a 
> night. Not that they were great players,but they
> were a great band cause 
> they knew how to move people,What better way top
> learn than on the 
> disinterested,if you can move them,the others are
> trivial. Carlos Santana 
> started out playing blues in Whorehouses in
> Tijuana.If you really beleive 
> people need booze to have a good time ,then I think
> it's a matter of using 
> the club gigs and disinterested audiences for
> exercise.In which case the 
> only worthwhile attitude is Take No Prisoners.    
> Personally I prefer to 
> play to the psychedelics crowd-they listen and are
> ready to be taken  
> somewhere.
> But I know from experience it's possible to self
> promote.The idea that if 
> you have a draw the clubs will hire you anyway means
> you have to cut them in 
> on the profits.If you already have a draw,why do
> that?
>   Same with recording deals .If I own 100% of the
> product I only have to 
> sell 10% as much as the standard contracts,to make
> the same net.
>    If I was in Boston ,where you can't spit without
> hitting a college,(there 
> must be dozens in the greater area) I'd start doing
> free gigs on campuses, 
> appear on college radio(always make friends with
> station mgrs and Djs 
> ,remember their names for later promos Personal
> contact can get your stuff 
> on the air.),and then advertise self produced
> events.Also student 
> organizations have money to promote cultural
> events.Student groups also have 
> free or very cheap use of campus facilities,and
> there are often people who 
> are interested in learning to put on events who can
> work with you. People 
> will tend to identify with music they hear  and like
> during high 
> school/college years.This is why major labels pay
> close attention to what's 
> happening on campuses. At early stages it's not too
> hard to get people to 
> help you fro little or nothing if they think it's
> going to go somewhere,or 
> if they think they'll be able to soak up excess
> groupies,free beer, etc. Or 
> you can find a  wacko subculture to become the
> soundtrack for.
> For  eccentrics like Ted-well I'm sure there aren't
> any others like him,but 
> aside from old style polite quiet poetrey
> readings,there is the Poetry Slam 
> movement,which prides itself on intensity, and
> dynamic delivery (Which can 
> be torturous as well)Playing inventive music in such
> scenes can be very good 
> indeed,artistically if not financially.I've
> performed with poets a number of 
> times-great times. Art openings are another
> potential place to be heard by 
> people with adventurous tastes,and generally include
> free wine and food. 
> It's of course crucial to put out a mailing list
> next to the CDs and swag 
> during all such outings.
> 
> 
> 

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it's an old trick to get rid of ambient noise. when i was
working as a location sound recordist i knew of some
colleagues who would put up a second mic and
capture just the ambience of the room they were working
in. later, by reversing the phase of that second track they
could cancel out the background noise. it's the same idea
as those "vocal eliminators" you could get at radio shack.
since most recordings place the vocals in the center, this
box would reverse the phase and recombine the audio
and this would cause just the centered vocal to drop out -
though there often was reverb and other effects that might
still remain. instant kareoke. this technique works best when
one has two sources with the same audio - otherwise
there'd be nothing to cancel - so i'm not quite sure if it
would be helpful in this situation. i think isolation is the
key here.
cheers
bruce

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>
> What does inverting the phase accomplish?  I guess I
> don't understand what that means exactly.
>
>
> --- Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The mic goes into a preamp box, DI, or mixer which
>> has a phase invert
>> switch.  Really.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:26:18 -0500, tohall@rcn.com
>> <tohall@rcn.com> wrote:
>>> And how would one invert the phase?
>>> Use two mics?
>>>
>>> Travis:
>>>>
>>>> A mic with high off-axis rejection, then invert
>> the phase.
>>>>
>>
>>
>
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At 10:22 AM 3/8/2005, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:
>WOW
>turned on the tele last nite to catch my friend <Jenelex> on the Discovery
>channel show POWERTOOL DRAG RACING.  she was driving 'The Phoenix Chainsaw
>Chopper' and she lost :-(
>and next, to my surprise there's KIMFLINT and partner, together called
><CHAIN HUR> w/ their radio controlled chainsaw<GLADIATRIX> and their
>contraption beats<APOCAYPTIC FIST OF BLACK DEATH> and wins the race.
>coupla interviews w/ Kim and it all looked too cool...
>good to see you get out once in a while, Kim

haha, glad you caught that Stan. Yep, that was me on the teevee. I'm now a 
reality tv star, just like everyone else. We're on again next week for 
episode 3 of the Power Tool Drag Races, 8pm and 11pm, discovery channel. We 
had a lot of fun doing that.

For loop content, Brian Kenny Fresno performed his version of the national 
anthem to start the races on the second day. (ohh, let's drink some beer!) 
They probably won't put that in the show though. But it is an example of 
alternative venues to find a gig.

kim


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Kim!!   Congrats on beating the Apocalyptic Fist of Death, and becoming 
a Star!!

Seriously - Amazing stuff - looks like FUN!!   I found pics of you 
setting up your machine here:  
http://www.teamkiss.com/powertool/powertooldragrace2.html
(down a few pics, just after The Bitch beltsander)

I think Kim is the one in the hat.
(I've decided I'm going to move to San Francisco and make a million $$'s 
selling hats)


So, you've moved on to loops that tear up 100' stretches of chipboard 
now, huh?

Dig

Kim Flint wrote:

> At 10:22 AM 3/8/2005, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> WOW
>> turned on the tele last nite to catch my friend <Jenelex> on the 
>> Discovery
>> channel show POWERTOOL DRAG RACING.  she was driving 'The Phoenix 
>> Chainsaw
>> Chopper' and she lost :-(
>> and next, to my surprise there's KIMFLINT and partner, together called
>> <CHAIN HUR> w/ their radio controlled chainsaw<GLADIATRIX> and their
>> contraption beats<APOCAYPTIC FIST OF BLACK DEATH> and wins the race.
>> coupla interviews w/ Kim and it all looked too cool...
>> good to see you get out once in a while, Kim
>
>
> haha, glad you caught that Stan. Yep, that was me on the teevee. I'm 
> now a reality tv star, just like everyone else. We're on again next 
> week for episode 3 of the Power Tool Drag Races, 8pm and 11pm, 
> discovery channel. We had a lot of fun doing that.
>
> For loop content, Brian Kenny Fresno performed his version of the 
> national anthem to start the races on the second day. (ohh, let's 
> drink some beer!) They probably won't put that in the show though. But 
> it is an example of alternative venues to find a gig.
>
> kim
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>

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At 8:01 PM -0500 3/8/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote:
>In my experience when I've played small towns and out of the way locations
>the reception I receive is far warmer and more engaging than my experiences
>playing in Boston.
>
>Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me.  Maybe it's just
>the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated
>to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
>partners...


This is sometimes extremely strangely so. I played a loop and sound 
gig at a coffeehouse in Louisville, CO. A fairly conservative little 
town between Boulder and Denver. I played with Erik Deutsch and 
Farrell Lowe, who are both practitioners of some pretty strange stuff 
and I brought as many toys and loops as I could muster and it was a 
fairly dense couple of sets. Not only did everyone who started with 
it stay the evening, but the crowd actually grew as time went on! It 
renewed my faith in humanity!

Edwin

-- 

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Is there anything similar for pc ?
luca

mike feeney wrote:

>A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage
>of this kind, hosts the plug-ins, and provides a
>visual mixer.  Runs both audio busses and software
>instruments.  I haven't actually purchased it yet to
>try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously.
>
>http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/
>
>I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot
>controller to do looping with SooperLooper and to
>control effects, etc.  So far, so good.
>
>Mike
>
>
>--- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>What software are you running to host your effect
>>plugins? I ended up
>>using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I
>>can use the high
>>quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I
>>bought a VST to
>>RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins
>>compatable with Pro
>>Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll
>>them. I bought a PC
>>midi connection device through a recommendation from
>>Per. I think it is
>>just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or
>>contollers to the
>>patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run
>>the mBox through
>>the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop
>>will be side-by-side
>>on my rack.
>>
>>Kris
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] 
>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A
>>poll--shoes off?)
>>
>>
>>
>>This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
>>everything in order, running on my Macs at home. 
>>Now
>>I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. 
>>=)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>--- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with
>>>      
>>>
>>a
>>    
>>
>>>line-out to the PA? I
>>>heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does
>>>      
>>>
>>anyone
>>    
>>
>>>at least use Abelton
>>>Live as a live looper?
>>>
>>>BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
>>>are up to date.
>>>
>>>Dave Eichenberger
>>>http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and
>>>>        
>>>>
>>getting
>>    
>>
>>>rid of
>>>      
>>>
>>>>others....just one step closer to going all
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>laptop.
>>>      
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>	
>>		
>>__________________________________ 
>>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 
>>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web 
>>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>	
>		
>__________________________________ 
>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 
>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web 
>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>
>
>.
>
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> At 8:01 PM -0500 3/8/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

>Why Boston has such jaded and harfd audiences is beyond me.  Maybe it's
just
>the same everywhere and when I'm out of town, I'm somehow better validated
>to the crowd's drug consumption, socializing and the pursuit of sexual
>partners...
>

This phenomenon is best summed up in Sartre's masterpiece "Bean and
Nothingness."

-PG


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Chainer
http://www.xlutop.com/
Similar but, doesn't seem to be very active of late. I have it and use it
but, would like to see more done to it.
Try http://www.kvraudio.com for more hosts.

-----Original Message-----
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Is there anything similar for pc ?
luca

mike feeney wrote:

>A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage of this kind, 
>hosts the plug-ins, and provides a visual mixer.  Runs both audio 
>busses and software instruments.  I haven't actually purchased it yet 
>to try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously.
>
>http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/
>
>I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to do looping 
>with SooperLooper and to control effects, etc.  So far, so good.
>
>Mike
>
>
>--- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up 
>>using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high 
>>quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to 
>>RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro 
>>Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a 
>>PC midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think 
>>it is just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to 
>>the patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run the mBox 
>>through the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be 
>>side-by-side on my rack.
>>
>>Kris
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?)
>>
>>
>>
>>This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
>>everything in order, running on my Macs at home. 
>>Now
>>I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. 
>>=)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>--- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with
>>>      
>>>
>>a
>>    
>>
>>>line-out to the PA? I
>>>heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does
>>>      
>>>
>>anyone
>>    
>>
>>>at least use Abelton
>>>Live as a live looper?
>>>
>>>BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
>>>are up to date.
>>>
>>>Dave Eichenberger
>>>http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>> I'm using my laptop for some effects, and
>>>>        
>>>>
>>getting
>>    
>>
>>>rid of
>>>      
>>>
>>>>others....just one step closer to going all
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>laptop.
>>>      
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>	
>>		
>>__________________________________ 
>>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 
>>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web 
>>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>	
>		
>__________________________________ 
>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 
>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web 
>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>
>
>.
>
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>


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Plogue Bidule is a great all purpose host with strong MIDI mapping 
capabilities.

http://plogue.com/

Dig

Alan Kroeger wrote:

>Chainer
>http://www.xlutop.com/
>Similar but, doesn't seem to be very active of late. I have it and use it
>but, would like to see more done to it.
>Try http://www.kvraudio.com for more hosts.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:17 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?)
>
>Is there anything similar for pc ?
>luca
>
>mike feeney wrote:
>
>  
>
>>A program called RAX, which is designed for live usage of this kind, 
>>hosts the plug-ins, and provides a visual mixer.  Runs both audio 
>>busses and software instruments.  I haven't actually purchased it yet 
>>to try it out full-force, but the demo works fabulously.
>>
>>http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/
>>
>>I just bought the Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to do looping 
>>with SooperLooper and to control effects, etc.  So far, so good.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>--- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>What software are you running to host your effect plugins? I ended up 
>>>using my Digidesign mBox and Pro Tools LE, because I can use the high 
>>>quality mBox XLR inserts and bipass the soundcard. I bought a VST to 
>>>RTAS converter to make all those free VST plugins compatable with Pro 
>>>Tools....now I just need figure out how to controll them. I bought a 
>>>PC midi connection device through a recommendation from Per. I think 
>>>it is just a matter of assigning various MIDI numbers or contollers to 
>>>the patches, their parameters, etc.  Basically, I'll run the mBox 
>>>through the AUX channel of my board...so mixer and laptop will be 
>>>side-by-side on my rack.
>>>
>>>Kris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:37 AM
>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>Subject: Re: All-Laptop live?? (was RE: RE: A poll--shoes off?)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is where I'm heading.  I have just about
>>>everything in order, running on my Macs at home. 
>>>Now
>>>I just need to GET a laptop, and I'll be all set. 
>>>=)
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>So has someone on this list gone *all laptop* with
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>a
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>line-out to the PA? I
>>>>heard Johnny McLaughlin tours this way. Does
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>anyone
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>at least use Abelton
>>>>Live as a live looper?
>>>>
>>>>BTW I wear shoes. I don't know if my tetnus shots
>>>>are up to date.
>>>>
>>>>Dave Eichenberger
>>>>http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>I'm using my laptop for some effects, and
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>getting
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>rid of
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>others....just one step closer to going all
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>laptop.
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>	
>>>		
>>>__________________________________ 
>>>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 
>>>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web 
>>>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>	
>>		
>>__________________________________ 
>>Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 
>>Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web 
>>http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
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Hello all -

In support of my goal to move much of my gear to my laptop, I plan to
put a lot of my gear on eBay this weekend, but before I do so, I thought
I would make some of these units available to the group at a fixed
price, not including shipping.  Some of these units are discussed a lot
on LP.  If anyone is interested, I can accept PayPal payment only,
because this is how I plan to purchase some new gear and software.  Feel
free to send me questions too.

1. Two Lexicon Vortex Units and two footswitches - $140 each or $280 for
both

One unit has a brand new encoder installed by myself and works
perfectly. The other unit worked fine when I bought it. I also have a
few extra encoders to throw into the package.

2. Alesis Akira - $150 (this is a steal given what they are selling for
used now on eBay)

3. Boss SX-700 Multi Effects Processor - $180 

I've had this for years....it is a real workhorse. I think they sell
used for more than than this.

4. Behringer UltraLink Pro Splitter/Mixer - $90

5. Line 6 Pod XT Pro (rackmount) - $400 (barely used...maybe 4 hours
tops)

You can see and hear some of this gear here:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

Kris

************************************************************************
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http://www.krispenhartung.com 
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Hello all,

I'm going all-software as well, so the Boss RC-20 is going on the block. =
 I thought I'd post it here before tossing it on ebay, since I figure =
someone around these parts may be interested.  Slightly used, like new =
except for a few scratches on the back (where the jacks are).  Includes =
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Is it the newer XL version or the old one? Thanks,
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I'm going all-software as well, so the Boss RC-20 is going on the block.  I thought I'd post it here before tossing it on ebay, since I figure someone around these parts may be interested.  Slightly used, like new except for a few scratches on the back (where the jacks are).  Includes separately-sold wall wart.  Looks like these are going for around $200 on ebay, so the first two bills gets it.  Shipping within the US is on me, and paypal would be preferred.
 
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My group Subscape Annex, with fellow listlooper Adrian Likins, is playing 
this Sunday night in Raleigh NC. If you're in the area and stop by, say 
hello please. 

obLoop: Between myself and Adrian, we tend to use some combination of the 
following loopers in performance: 2 E-H 16sec reissues, 1 RC-20, 1 Line6 
DL-4, 1 Akai Headrush E1, and a Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky.

thanks,
Steve B
Subscape Annex   http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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Subject: Subscape Annex, 13 March 2005, Raleigh NC

The ambient/industrial improvisational looping trio Subscape Annex plays 
this Sunday night as part of the Dirge Factory night at the Underground 
(formerly the Old Bar of Charlie Goodnight's), in Raleigh NC. 

For this performance, Rob Lewis will not be joining Anthony Staton and 
Steve Burnett. Adrian Likins (of Phasmatodea) will join Anthony and Steve 
for the evening.

Showtime is 10:30 to 11:30, and the cover is $2. 

Venue:  http://www.comeunderground.com/ 

Directions:  http://www.comeunderground.com/directions.html

The Dirge Factory night is held Sunday evenings at the Underground. For 
more information on the Dirge Factory, see their website:

http://www.dirge-factory.com/

best,
Subscape Annex
http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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At 01:55 AM 3/9/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>This all sounds very interesting--do you have any mustic posted?

Thanks Travis!  I gotta get some more recent material up, 'cause I've not 
anything that shows off the new setup yet.  It seems everytime I'm being 
"brilliant" I don't have the recorder on, and every time the recorder's on 
I'm nothing but crap...  :D

I do actually have one or two things online at http://www.m3ch.net/5.html 
.  For one, there's a Quicktime clip that was taken of one of my solo 
laptop performances at http://www.m3ch.net/downloads/WellspringV.mov 
although it has nothing to do with Looping, per se.

All standard disclaimers apply.  You can ignore the visual aspect, as it's 
utterly throwaway (it's just me on a stage hunched over a laptop -- 
bleh!).  My wife hasn't yet taken the time to strip off just the audio -- 
she's the one who recorded and transferred the video -- or else I'd post 
that alone.  Sorry for the huge filesize (17Mb).

That performance was done during the evening's Bardic Circle at a Druid 
Gathering -- essentially the "open mic night" of the 
get-together.  Typically, these things are full of nothing but Celtic 
folktunes, Pirate shanties, and bad poetry readings, so I decided to 
quickly throw something together that would provide a more electric 
counterpoint to the normally granola-crunchy fare.

And further down that same webpage you'll also find some links to one of 
the live recordings I've done with MEME (Midwest Experimental Music 
Ensemble).  This particular performance is one we gave out in Cleveland 
last August, and parts of it do actually feature some Looping.  While it's 
not solo work, I think fully 3/4th's of the group are on the LD list here.

At least mebbe this proves that I occasionally do something other than talk 
about how to configure gear (hey I even wonder myself, sometimes...).  ;)

         --m.

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Some of these are on eBay already. See below.

*********************
Hello all -

In support of my goal to move much of my gear to my laptop, I plan to
put a lot of my gear on eBay this weekend, but before I do so, I thought
I would make some of these units available to the group at a fixed
price, not including shipping.  Some of these units are discussed a lot
on LP.  If anyone is interested, I can accept PayPal payment only,
because this is how I plan to purchase some new gear and software.  Feel
free to send me questions too.

1. Two Lexicon Vortex Units and two footswitches - $140 each or $280 for
both

I'm still waiting for LP members to snatch these up. One person seems
ready to buy. Both go on eBay in two days

2. Alesis Akira - $150 (this is a steal given what they are selling for
used now on eBay)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307018748&ssPag
eName=STRK:MESE:IT

3. Boss SX-700 Multi Effects Processor - $180 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307017852&ssPag
eName=STRK:MESE:IT

I've had this for years....it is a real workhorse. I think they sell
used for more than than this.

4. Behringer UltraLink Pro Splitter/Mixer - $90

5. Line 6 Pod XT Pro (rackmount) - $400 (barely used...maybe 4 hours
tops)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307016903&ssPag
eName=STRK:MESE:IT

You can see and hear some of this gear here:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

Kris

************************************************************************
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http://www.krispenhartung.com 
info@krispenhartung.com
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http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
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bro are these the ones u are talking about?

http://www.audioreview.com/headphones-home-audio/headphones/RCA/PRD_126234_2750crx.aspx

cheers
Luis


--- "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> I"ve already posted this but since this discussion
> has come up:
> 
> I am using Radio Shack wireless headphones straight
> off of my tape out on my
> Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer.
> 
> I bought them on sale for $70 and they are
> FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> the sound quality is good and, as a
> multi-instrumentalist I have the freedom 
> to rove around,
> switch instruments, tweak my gear, run out and dance
> in the middle of the 
> audience <blush, it has
> been known to happen> ................all the while
> listening perfectly to 
> my loops.
> 
> They also have enough bleed through so that if I"m
> playing with my brother 
> (who uses guitar amps for
> some monitoring)  I can hear him perfectly.
> 
> The only thing you might want to do is put them in a
> hard shell carrying 
> case as they are cheaply built with
> plastic or, hell,  buy a second set they are sooooo
> damned cheap. 
> 
> 

www.luis-angulo.com


		
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Hello Loopers-Delight,

  I imagine there are a few people in this group using these, so
  I'dlike to draw on your experience:

  1 - why is it that the rhythm guide on the RC20 runs ahead of any
  drum machine or other beat that I match it to? It stays matched for
  a few bars then gradually runs ahead. I had hoped to run a drum
  machine alongside it but they can't stay in sync at all, not even
  roughly in sync.
  2 - I can't get the auto start mode to work. It's supposed to start
  recording as soon as you play a note, but it never starts; I've
  tried having the input level at max, so it's defintely getting a
  signal. Does this work for others - which may mean I have a faulty
  unit?
  3 - I know you can use a foot pedal to step through the loops you've
  stored - is there any way to step backwards through them too?

  I've seen Jim White use the RC20 live and get great results, but I
  haven't seen him since I got mine, so I don't know how he does it!

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:16:50 +0100, Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
> Is there anything similar for pc ?
> luca

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what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater?

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hi mate

welcome to the list

the cheapest ótion for this type of set up could well be the zoom 2100, its 
going totally for dirt at the moment (under 30 pounds )and it has an easily 
acssesible record- retrigger sampler that i think has the time you need. it 
also has another mode when you can split the pedal up into three six second 
samplers which you can record and trigger individually.

or as the blurb says

here are a few features of the zoom 2100

user 30/preset 30 programs

total of 33 effects with upto 7 used at once

13 types of distortion effect

32 sec sampling function for phase training

jam play quick sampler with 5 sec X3 banks

the seperate pedal gives wha type functions

the unit is great for the money and is one of the few in its era and class 
that you can bypass each patch when your not using it and also opt out of 
scrolling through zooms nasty presets.

if you want more info just contact me.

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>Hello all, I just subscribed to the list a moment ago to ask a question. 
>I'd appreciate any answer(s) that I can get.
>
>I'm interested in a very simple and, if possible, inexpensive looping 
>pedal. I play guitar and sing in a band. Many times, my guitar parts are 
>complex and require all of my concentration. Therefore I can't play them 
>while I sing. Because of this, I'd like to have a pedal that can loop a 
>riff of 10 seconds or less while I am playing live. I don't need or want 
>any other functions, I don't need to be able to overlay loops upon one 
>another.
>
>Do my needs conjure up ideas about particular pedals? I've been doing my 
>best to read up on all the different options, from delays to loopers to 
>samplers etc. but am having trouble finding the right thing. Please help!
>
>Thanks,
>
>nato
>
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> what is the best midi footcontroller for the Electrix repeater?

Behringer FCB1010, surely !
http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=ENG

For more information look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/

Bye
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AudioMulch, EnergyXT, Plogue/Bidule

all are freebies.  I like AM the best.  You can get some seriously twisted 
effect/synth configurations in there.  MIDI controllable, plays wav files as 
loops, etc.

Tony

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> Is there anything similar for pc ?
> luca

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In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes:


> zoom 2100
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In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes:


> zoom 2100
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this is a great little box.....you will want to get the expression pedal for 
it.....if i saw them around here i would buy several.....i love mine.....mk

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i love this thing, but don't need two of them.

well, two are great ... but i need the money.

this one is not the one pictured on my website with all the MIDI CC# 
labels. this is in nicer shape, actually.

$175 plus shipping

includes box, AC cable, manual, and warranty card (ha!)

thanks,
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I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in
the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not
all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing?

Kris


1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop
recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for
multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your
computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired
by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  No VST, but
supposedly in the future for XP 
http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 

2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of
audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex
Digital Pro with Loop IV software.  Runs as VST.
http://www.zonemobius.com/  

3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop 
http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. ELOTTRONIX VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop
(2-8 seconds delay). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. Lexicon PSP 42  - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase
sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS
classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary
Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique
concept 
http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html  (I just bought this one
and the PSP 84)

6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some
extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. 
http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or
DL-4 - VST plugin
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/
http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14

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First of two of my Vortex units on eBay:

Vortex and Footswitch
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7307290306&ssPag
eName=STRK:MESE:IT

Two of these units expressed plural...Vorteces? Hmmmm.  :)

Kris

P.S. Update on my VST effect purchases: I just purchased the Lexicon PSP
42 and 84 plugins, plus Antares Filter. In a few days I order Antares
Kantos...an amazing VST plugin that has all sorts of synth sounds that
sound great on the guitar. Also, I now have three VST looping plugins
working in ProTools, Mobius, LoopyLama, and AngstroLooper.  Notebook
system here I come!!!



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At 09:32 PM 3/10/2005, Kris Hartung wrote:
>I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in
>the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not
>all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing?

Musolomo ( http://www.plasq.com ) is an "interactive sampler" released as 
an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop 
mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a 
hardware Looper.

I downloaded the darn thing a few weeks ago, but haven't had a chance to 
really work with it.  You're probably best-off getting more details from 
the website...

         --m.

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

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Excellent responses from everyone!  I have ten in the list now. Now I
just have to sit down and try out all of the VST versions this weekend!
:)

Kris

***************************************

1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop
recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for
multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your
computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired
by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  No VST, but
supposedly in the future for XP. 
http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 

2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of
audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex
Digital Pro with Loop IV software.  (VST). http://www.zonemobius.com/  

3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop 
http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop
(2-8 seconds delay). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. Lexicon PSP 42  - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase
sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS
classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary
Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique
concept 
http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html  (I just bought this one
and the PSP 84)

6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some
extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST)
http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or
DL-4 (VST plugin)
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/
http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14

8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to
create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop
basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or
digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a
track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the
record button. 
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9. AngstroLooper: a rediculously long delay, it partly emulates an old
style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that
it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop
while playing live (VST plugin) 
http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. Musolomo -  an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows
VST supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop mode, which will
allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware
Looper.
http://www.plasq.com

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<DIV>The 2100 is&nbsp;a great bang for the buck, and about the size and weight of a carton of cigs! I'm glad the music stores offered me an insultingly low price for mine,&nbsp;because I came to my senses and realized what a great little box it was/is, and kept it. I will stick with it just as I stick with my Zoom 505, which, like the 2100,&nbsp;does 3 or 4 things beautifully, and that's enough for me. </DIV>
<DIV>BTW, anyone know how to tame the hiss on a 505? It started suddenly after many trouble-free years of use. It is intermittent, and sometimes occurs even when the 505 is the only thing in the chain.Gating is not really an option for me, becuase "on again/off again" walls&nbsp;of hiss are even more irritating than steady-state hiss.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Nemoguitt@aol.com <BR>Sent: Mar 10, 2005 3:12 PM <BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <BR>Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><FONT face=arial,helvetica><ZZZHTML><FONT lang=0 face=Optima color=#000000 size=4><B><BR>In a message dated 3/10/05 11:45:48 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes:<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with 
your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and 
STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than 
life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading 
alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI 
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I will always recommend TIM POWERS (especially Last Call) for those of
you who like to look at common reality a little bit differently.  Last
Call is about gamblers in Los Vegas playing for human souls and who gets
to become Fisher King of the West.  Awesome.

I also enjoy Christopher Moore for very quick and amusing reads. 
Twisted and absurd stories that really fly by and leave a nice grin
behind them when they're gone.  Try The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove
or Blood Sucking Fiends for a taste.

Of course I have young children so I often find myself reading and
re-reading the smae pages over and over again as I try to find where I
was last time I stopped (obligatory looping content).


Kevin

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Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
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But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
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At 2:03 PM -0500 3/11/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question

I'm about to finish Barbara Tuchman's "Guns of August," having 
previously read her "March of Folly" and "The Proud Tower."

>NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter

I have all three volumes on my shelf, awaiting my completion of "August."
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<div>I'm about to finish Barbara Tuchman's &quot;Guns of August,&quot;
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1" color="#000000">NEIL
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parter</font></blockquote>
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<div><font size="+1" color="#000000">I have all three volumes on my
shelf, awaiting my completion of &quot;August.&quot;</font></div>
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Books/Authors that have really inspire my looping, CD titles, song
titles, and underlying themes of my music:
 
HP Lovecraft (anything and everything from him...love this twisted, dark
stuff)
Aurther C. Clark (the whole 2001, 2010, etc series, the whole Rama
series, short stories...brilliant)
David Zindell's "Neverness" - mind blowing
Vernor Vinge's "Fire Upon the Deep" - very clever and innovative
 
I'm now reading old Analogs. I like the classics, which explains my
classic science fiction DVD collection of over 80 titles from the 50's
and 60's.
 
Kris
 

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time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read
with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES
LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery
books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i
have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say
that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest
time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3
parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk  


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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
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blowing</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>Kris</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catal=
ogue.htm#videos">http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hart=
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Reading.... I started something way above my head: Gilles Deleuze
"Difference and Repetition".
But this is just a shameless misuse of the mailing list to see whether
Michael actually receives my emails. Please respond, Michael!
Bernhard
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  time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read
with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE
BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books,
bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also
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Besides all the damn magazines, manuals and websites that make up 95% 
of my reading, I'm enjoying the hell out of "Jonathan Strange and Mr. 
Norrell," a very clever, confounding, slow-moving, well-written and 
non-adolescent blurring of some favorite genres that I'd long-ago 
either exhausted or abandoned: Jane Austin novels, realms-of-Faery 
fantasies, alternate histories, dark folk tales...etc. (listening to 
the audio version, btw...my favorite way to read, but my page-rate has 
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 >> time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question <<

"american scream- the bill hicks story"  by cynthia true, "ringworld's children" by larry niven & (repeatedly) both the official manual & the paul nagle user guide for the p3 analogue sequencer, the nearest thing to a proper midi looper.

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Currently:
The Expetant Father (Armin Brott)
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Douglas Adams) (thought I'd refresh
my memory prior to the movie coming soon)
Wolves in the Walls (Neil Gaiman)

My wife and I are also reading the Chronicles of Narnia to the alien
set to hatch in July. We're currently in Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

Recently:

Stardust (Neil Gaiman)
Coraline (Neil Gaiman)
Good Omens (Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
Harmonic Materials of Modern Music (Howard Hanson)
Harmonielehre (Arnold Schoenberg)
Structural Functions of Harmony (A. Schoenberg)

Yep, I'm on a Neil Gaiman kick. Never read his Sandman graphic novels,
but a friend gave me "Neverwhere" as a gift a number of years ago and
I was completely enthralled by his use of language and his ability to
tell a damn fine story. His "American Gods" is even better.

Cheers,

Jon Southwood

P.S. I once named a looping piece after a Harlan Ellison story.
"TikTok" was inspired by "Repent, Harlequin! said the Ticktockman".

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:21:08 -0700, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>  
> Books/Authors that have really inspire my looping, CD titles, song titles,
> and underlying themes of my music: 
>   
> HP Lovecraft (anything and everything from him...love this twisted, dark
> stuff) 
> Aurther C. Clark (the whole 2001, 2010, etc series, the whole Rama series,
> short stories...brilliant) 
> David Zindell's "Neverness" - mind blowing 
> Vernor Vinge's "Fire Upon the Deep" - very clever and innovative 
>   
> I'm now reading old Analogs. I like the classics, which explains my classic
> science fiction DVD collection of over 80 titles from the 50's and 60's. 
>   
> Kris 
>   
> 
> **************************************************************************************
> Krispen Hartung
> http://www.krispenhartung.com
> info@krispenhartung.com
> View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
> http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.htm#videos
> Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
>  
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:03 PM
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> 
> time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with
> your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE
> and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger
> than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been
> reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not
> read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you
> count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i
> only read in the shower!.....:)mk

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I've recently "run" four novels by 
<http://www.jasperfforde.com>Jasper Fforde, sort of an alternate 
literary history: "The Eyre Affair", "The Well of Lost Plots", "Lost 
in a good Book", and "Something Rotten". Very amusing.

They inspired me to write a song named after the way the sound that 
the genetically re-engineered Dodos makes in the series of books is 
written:
<http://www.xfade.com/tunz/PlockPlock.mp3>Plock-plock

-C

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<div>I've recently &quot;run&quot; four novels by <a
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<div>They inspired me to write a song named after the way the sound
that the genetically re-engineered Dodos makes in the series of books
is written:</div>
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I've been reading the sci-fi novel "Chasm City" by Alastair Reynolds. I've 
already read this book several times, but am going through it again because
I like it so much. Wildly imaginative sci-fi that doesn't violate the laws
of physics; Reynolds is an astrophysicist. Probably my favorite sci-fi
novel. There is an amazing sub-plot about a flotilla of ships making a 
centuries-long trip across interstellar space. A guy on one of the ships
becomes a Hitler-like despotic leader.

I am also working through the biograpy of Leon Theremin, "Ether Music and
Espionage". If you ever get to thinking you have a rough life, just read
a book about anyone who lived in Stalinist Russia! It'll make your life seem
like a picnic. Sheesh.

Also reading about the programming language TCL so I can write Expect scripts
at work. 

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net


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time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with 
your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and 
STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than 
life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading 
alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI 
book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL 
STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the 
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Re: READING?>At 2:03 PM -0500 3/11/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

>time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question

I have a pile I'm switching between right now including:

Mastering Audio - Bob Katz
Recording Engineer's Handbook
Mixing Engineer's Handbook
Return of the King
The Nightmare Factory - Thomas Ligotti
Masters of Doom: How Two Guys Created an Empire and Transformed Pop Culture
Dreams of Terror and Death: The Dream Cyle of H.P. Lovecraft.
and several Sandman graphic novels.

I see a theme here...

Tony

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From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com  
<snip>
 both the official manual & the paul nagle user guide for the p3 analogue
sequencer, the nearest thing to a proper midi looper.

duncan/r.m.i. 

--->there's a MIDI looper in the Starr Labs Ztar, but it's not finished ;)
Works well enough, but when you oerdub, it adds the original data, thereby
doubling it.
One time pass works great tho, and there is a command to go from record to
record next, solving that bug.
Now if I can just get Harvey (or his code guy) to get the clock out to
reflect the loop size, I could make some good use of it.
This functionality is a result of Harvey using the code written for the
Kurzweil Event Station and porting it over to the Ztar.
Gary


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In a message dated 3/11/05 2:54:40 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:


> Which Michael???
> 

michael.....i think it was me.....bernhard is just upset because he isn't old 
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Hi Michael Plishka

I actually meant Michael "Nemoguitt" who posted the fact that he reads only
under the shower...
Michael "Nemoguitt": Does that mean you don't get my emails sent to you
privately?
The boox I was mentioning were all by Paul Auster: "New York Trilogy",
"Timbuktu", "The Music of Chance", "Hand to Mouth", "Leviathan".

Bernhard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com]
> Sent: Freitag, 11. März 2005 20:54
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Bernhard Wagner
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> Subject: RE: READING?
>
>
> Which Michael???
>
>
>
> wwww.michaelplishka.com
> ]
>
> Quoting Bernhard Wagner <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz>:
>
> > Reading.... I started something way above my head: Gilles Deleuze
> > "Difference and Repetition".
> > But this is just a shameless misuse of the mailing list to see whether
> > Michael actually receives my emails. Please respond, Michael!
> > Bernhard
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
> >   Sent: Freitag, 11. Marz 2005 20:03
> >   To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >   Subject: READING?
> >
> >
> >   time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read
> > with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books
> by JAMES LEE
> > BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading
> adventure/mystery books,
> > bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of
> evil.....i have also
> > been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say
> that i have
> > not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest
> time, unless you
> > count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i
> > only read in the shower!.....:)mk
> >
>
>
>

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On my nightstand:

   Polymer Extrusion, 4th Edition - Chris Rauwendaal
   Hot Water Music - Charles Bukowski
   Boy Wonder: My Life in Tights - Burt Ward
   The AK-47 Attack Rifle for Dummies - Anonymous
   Echoplex Digital Pro Plus User's Manual - Kim Flint and Warren Sirota


Jeff

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> At 09:32 PM 3/10/2005, Kris Hartung wrote:
>>I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in
>>the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not
>>all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing?


ColdCutter http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

Looks interesting...

Tony

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I finished that same Theremin book a few months ago...inspiring story of 
a creative genius trapped in a political nightmare.  Just finished a 
biography of e.e.cummings yesterday, and started to reread the excellent 
HP Lovecraft bio by HPL scholar ST Joshi today.

Dennis

mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:

>I am also working through the biograpy of Leon Theremin, "Ether Music and
>Espionage". If you ever get to thinking you have a rough life, just read
>a book about anyone who lived in Stalinist Russia! It'll make your life seem
>like a picnic. Sheesh.
>  
>

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Never came upon this annual highlight in the past, but here goes:

Currently, Ableton Live!, Waldorf Q and Roland MC505 user manual, with a
few short glimpses thrown in to the Behringer DDX3216 and Eventide
Eclipse manuals...

More serious reading:

Just finished "The 27th City" by Jonathan Franzen, which I liked better
than his Corrections (but not as much as Roth's "The Human Stain" and
DeLillo's "Underworld"). Next up are "The New York Trilogy" by Paul
Auster, then "Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften" by Robert Musil. And when I'm
through with THAT, I'll have another pass at Ulysses...

	Rainer

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time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read
with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES
LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery
books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i
have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say
that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest
time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3
parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk  

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Dear all,

Hey, has anyone tried out Native Instruments' Guitar Rig 1.2?  How does 
it compare to Digitech's GNX4?  Has anyone tried to run either of these 
effects units on both a Mac and on a Windows XP box?

 From the demo, it looks like the looper within it isn't the greatest, 
as you have to record the lick you want looped, then mouse around to 
get the loop to playback and repeat, taking your hands off of the 
guitar/bass/etc...


Lee

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 Ok,
 I've been very very cool and patient  about this matter and I'm sorry if
this is Off topic but I dont know what else to do:

 several months ago, in November I sent a message to LD (I've been a somehow
quiet meber of this list for almost 7 years) asking for a trade,My Repeater
for an EDP.

  Well, 
 BRIAN HAMLIN from the 6 Brackendale Av
Pitsea
Basildon
Essex

 In the U.k said that wanted to make the trade. He is supposedly a member of
this list as well, so, as I am one of those internet old timers who think
the net is based on a good will principle I sent him my repeater (wich he
got) and he said he did the same with his EDP.

  obviously, the EDP never got here and since he claimed that he'd send it
with PARCELFORCE the it's not possible to track anything with this british
service.

  For a while he told me that he had made a claim to know where his EDP was
and everything, he asked me to be patient and blah blah blah.

  Then nothing.he just banished.


 I'd like to know if I can make some kind of claim with the british police
or something (I am in France) I have all his mails and stuff, I have my
tracking number from La poste and I can demonstrate that I sent him my repeater.

  I know this is a long shot, but if anyone can give a few suggestions, tips
or pointers on what to do besides cooking my rage and frustration on getting
ripped off like an amateur will be greatly appreciated.

 Thank you very much in advance.

 Andy Soto  in Paris.

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At 01:58 PM 3/11/2005, Jon Southwood wrote:

>Yep, I'm on a Neil Gaiman kick. Never read his Sandman graphic novels,
>but a friend gave me "Neverwhere" as a gift a number of years ago and
>I was completely enthralled by his use of language and his ability to
>tell a damn fine story. His "American Gods" is even better.

Nice one.  I'm a Gaiman fan as well from way back (used to buy Sandman and 
Books of Magic religiously).  I can hardly wait for him to finish "Anansi 
Boys".  While not really being a sequel to "American Gods", it's supposed 
to feature a lot of the same characters.

Myself, other than trade mags and tech manuals, I've been reading Kim 
Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt".  I've loved Robinson's 
soft-science writing since his story "The Lucky Strike" won the Nebula back 
in the eighties.  I'm not so crazy about his Mars trilogy ("Red/Green/Blue 
Mars"), but my tastes in science-fiction generally run more toward the 
speculative Ellison/Zelazny/PKD stuff, than the Niven/Pournelle/Bear school 
of hard SF.

Anyway, "Years of Rice and Salt" rewrites history as it might have occurred 
had the total population of all Europe been wiped out by the Plague around 
1000 CE.  Thus, the course of history would have been shaped by the 
cultures of Asia, the nations of Islam, and the Native Americans, rather 
than the influences of Western Europe.

I also just picked up William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition", which is new 
in paperback.  Haven't gotten a chance to start on it yet, 
however.  Anybody have any thoughts on that one yet?

         --m.

_____
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At 4:05 PM -0600 3/11/05, Mech wrote:
>I also just picked up William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition", which is new in paperback.  Haven't gotten a chance to start on it yet, however.  Anybody have any thoughts on that one yet?

I think it's one of his best. It reminded me of Thomas Pynchon's "The Crying of Lot 49". I think some people were put off because it's not science fiction.

-C

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> At 4:05 PM -0600 3/11/05, Mech wrote:
> >I also just picked up William Gibson's "Pattern
> Recognition", which is new in paperback.  Haven't
> gotten a chance to start on it yet, however. 
> Anybody have any thoughts on that one yet?

Ha, you just reminded me that I picked up the
hardcover (reduced for clearance for LESS than the pb)
a couple of weeks ago, then set it down somewhere near
the black hole that is my desk... When I find it, I'll
read it!

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That's really sad news.  

I'd try the French police first, they should be able to advise you
where the jurisdictions end and overlap in cases such as this.  I fear
you may find out that it's low priority to them since in their world
the value of the items in question is pretty small.  In your world of
course, it's not.

Also consider: can you prove that you shipped a Repeater to the guy in
question, or that you shipped an item of Repeater-esque weight on such
and such a date?  I know people who've been stung that way--the
shipping agent doesn't guarantee the contents, just the dates, cost
and weight, since they don't look in the package and go by the
sender's description of contents.

Best of luck,

Travis Hartnett


On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:46:27 -0500, Andy Soto <smaug@servidor.unam.mx> wrote:

>  I'd like to know if I can make some kind of claim with the british police
> or something (I am in France) I have all his mails and stuff, I have my
> tracking number from La poste and I can demonstrate that I sent him my repeater.
> 
>   I know this is a long shot, but if anyone can give a few suggestions, tips
> or pointers on what to do besides cooking my rage and frustration on getting
> ripped off like an amateur will be greatly appreciated.
> 
>  Thank you very much in advance.
> 
>  Andy Soto  in Paris.
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Hi all,

I read altogether too much. I would "live" more (and be less
sleep deprived) if I read just a little less. In fact, I just finished off=20
another great novel last night: "Embers" by the late Hungarian
author, Sandor Marai.

Stepping backwards through the last 6 months or so:

"Embers" by Sandor Marai
"Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi=20
"Interpreter of Maladies" by Jhumpa Lahiri
"The Naked and The Dead" by Norman Mailer
"To Err Is Devine" by Agota Bozai
"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini=20
"Life of Pi" by Yann Martel
"The Power and The Glory" by Graham Greene
"For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard
"Hackers and Painters" by Paul Graham
"Fear: A Spiritual Navigation" by Jo Kadlecek
"The Cyberiad" by Stanislaw Lem
"Walk in The Light While There Is Light" Leo Tolstoy
"A Murder, A Mystery and a Marriage" by Mark Twain
"The Godson" By Leo Tolstoy
"Mortal Engines" by Stanislaw Lem
"Eden" by Stanislaw Lem

Interspersed with all of these are 6 or 8 "Doctor Who" series sci-fi
novels (a weakness) -- which are just light entertainment and mostly=20
completely forgetable and "Peshawar Lancers" by S.M. Stirling another
sci-fi (alternate history) novel of somewhat lesser literary calibre.=20

I subscribe to a local daily newspaper, read the NY Times online=20
daily, get a dozen magazines monthly and read altogeher too=20
much e-mail. And then there are the hated tech manuals for
all of my toys and the computer software. Ugh!

Of all of the above I would most highly recommend:

"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini (really, really terrific, horrific,=20
outstanding)
"Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi (most humane story, POV/life-changing=
)
"For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard (which I have read about 2 or 3 times=20
before)
"Life of Pi" by Yann Martel (most creative, unexpected, novel I've read in a=
=20
long time)

No wonder my eyes are so bad.=20

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<BR>
I read altogether too much. I would "live" more (and be less<BR>
sleep deprived) if I read just a little less. In fact, I just finished off <=
BR>
another great novel last night: "Embers" by the late Hungarian<BR>
author, Sandor Marai.<BR>
<BR>
Stepping backwards through the last 6 months or so:<BR>
<BR>
"Embers" by Sandor Marai<BR>
"Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi <BR>
"Interpreter of Maladies" by Jhumpa Lahiri<BR>
"The Naked and The Dead" by Norman Mailer<BR>
"To Err Is Devine" by Agota Bozai<BR>
"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini <BR>
"Life of Pi" by Yann Martel<BR>
"The Power and The Glory" by Graham Greene<BR>
"For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard<BR>
"Hackers and Painters" by Paul Graham<BR>
"Fear: A Spiritual Navigation" by Jo Kadlecek<BR>
"The Cyberiad" by Stanislaw Lem<BR>
"Walk in The Light While There Is Light" Leo Tolstoy<BR>
"A Murder, A Mystery and a Marriage" by Mark Twain<BR>
"The Godson" By Leo Tolstoy<BR>
"Mortal Engines" by Stanislaw Lem<BR>
"Eden" by Stanislaw Lem<BR>
<BR>
Interspersed with all of these are 6 or 8 "Doctor Who" series sci-fi<BR>
novels (a weakness) -- which are just light entertainment and mostly <BR>
completely forgetable and "Peshawar Lancers" by S.M. Stirling another<BR>
sci-fi (alternate history) novel of somewhat lesser literary calibre. <BR>
<BR>
I subscribe to a local daily newspaper, read the NY Times online <BR>
daily, get a dozen magazines monthly and read altogeher too <BR>
much e-mail. And then there are the hated tech manuals for<BR>
all of my toys and the computer software. Ugh!<BR>
<BR>
Of all of the above I would most highly recommend:<BR>
<BR>
"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini (really, really terrific, horrific, out=
standing)<BR>
"Stones From the River" by Ursula Hegi (most humane story, POV/life-changing=
)<BR>
"For The Time Being" by Annie Dillard (which I have read about 2 or 3 times=20=
before)<BR>
"Life of Pi" by Yann Martel (most creative, unexpected, novel I've read in a=
 long time)<BR>
<BR>
No wonder my eyes are so bad. <BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
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In a message dated 3/11/05 11:05:00 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

<< i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI 
book that i have enjoyed for the longest time >>

Funny to see all the sci fi mentions from loopers, I have been a huge fan 
since the 60's when I had subscriptions to several of the old mags like Galaxy 
etc.

A near classic one well worth checking out is Hyperion by Dan Simmons. 
A more recent one I stumbled upon in the library and thoroughly enjoyed was 
Wheelers by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen, a nicely paced romp imagining 
inhabitants of Jupiter and with Buddhists in control of mining the asteroid belt!

Books by my bed:
Timescale  by Nigel Calder
Audio Culture  edited by Cox and Warner
Musical Instrument Design  by Bart Hopkin


BobC


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Well.... I just started reading the EDP manual, but I put it away.  I 
thought it might be best saved to read on stage at gig.....

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I read this list............I read the comics in the newspaper.......the applicable road signs as need be.... my horoscope................and no owners manuals that I can recall ....ever...leaves them in mint condition along with my attitude

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Ok..I had my fun...it is really interesting to see how literate many of the 
list members are (and i always did suspect that y'all was a bunch of smart 
muthafuckas...)....

...but, to be honest, the only thing I have been "reading" is music.  I have 
been going thru complete orchestral scores to "Swan Lake" and "The Rite Of 
Spring" as well as a copy of the original folio to Messien's "Quartet For 
The End Of Time" (now that sounds like a pretty well rounded musical diet, 
really).

I know that might seem a bit odd, but I have some gigs coming up that 
require some serious sight reading chops, and I have found the best way to 
tune up that particular skill is to simply do a lot of it.

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James Lee Burke? I've only read his "In the Electric Mist with the Confederate Dead." As intriguing as its title. I loved it, even though all the gory descriptions of bad people doing bad things started to wear on me. As for *my* reading list, for now it's basically the manuals for my Vortex and VF-1, plus the Boston Globe, Guitar Player Magazine, and several hours of e-mails! ;-) 
Sonic Wa,
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time for the annual "what's everyone reading" question and do you read with your shoes on?....:).....i have become addicted to books by JAMES LEE BURKE and STEPHEN HUNTER, your basic easy reading adventure/mystery books, bigger than life flawed "good" guys vs. the forces of evil.....i have also been reading alot of "historical" fiction.....i regret to say that i have not read a SCI FI book that i have enjoyed for the longest time, unless you count NEIL STEPHENSON'S "QUICKSILVER" part 1 of a 3 parter.....shoes?, i only read in the shower!.....:)mk  
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>James Lee Burke? I've only read his "In the Electric Mist with the Confederate Dead." As intriguing as its title. I loved it, even though all the gory descriptions of bad people doing bad things started to wear on me. As for *my* reading list, for now it's basically the manuals for my&nbsp;Vortex and&nbsp;VF-1, plus the Boston Globe, Guitar Player Magazine,&nbsp;and several hours of e-mails! ;-)&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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"Years of Rice and Salt".....very enjoyable.....i'm also with ya on the  
Ellison/Zelazny.....read William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition" a few weeks ago, 
lite/fast/fun.....mk

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Oh, yeah! ...forgot about my beach reading: we go most days to the 
coast (Southern Oregon) for a sunset/sand walk, during which I'll often 
bring a book to read while the wife wanders with the pooch; these days 
it's Exuberance by KRJamison. A few quotes/images:

' "Caterpillars, cockroaches, grasshoppers, lobsters or crabs or snails 
are not to be distinguished from their seniors by any excessive 
gaiety." '

' "Once I saw a rush of which the object was a butterfly. Eyes wide, a 
gang of young male elephants collectively weighing maybe 40 tons 
thundered to a stop as the small fairy, white and weightless, rose up 
out of their midst. Then each turned on his heels and fled." '
dc

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In a message dated 3/11/05 6:59:31 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes:


> Hyperion by Dan Simmons.
> 

*****.....an incosistantly written series yet great fun.....loved it.....and 
let me throw out "THE DIAMOND AGE" and "CRYPTONOMICON" by neil stephenson

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, max valentino wrote:

> 
> 
> Well.... I just started reading the EDP manual, but I put it away.  I 
> thought it might be best saved to read on stage at gig.....

Aloud. Spoken word, looped and layered and fragemented. 

"I am sitting in a room, reading a manual for the looping device I will 
use to loop my words. I begin...

..."

regards,
Steve B
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Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and
all the track titles appear in your player when played on a 
computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release -
how does one get the song titles to appear for people
when played on their (internet connected) computer?

Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google
enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know
*everything* in a collective sort of way.

Thanks,
Scott M2

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   Besides L.D. posts:
  The Biology of Transcendance by Joseph Chilton Pierce.
  The History of Western Philosophy bt Bertrand Russell.
  The Magic of Tone and the Art of Music,by Dane Rudhyar
   rereading  Imaginary Landscape  by William Irwin Thompson
   I think I've finally read all the Illuminati books by Robert Anton Wilson


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  Wow -the Butterfly Effect

"Once I saw a rush of which the object was a butterfly. Eyes wide, a gang of 
young male elephants collectively weighing maybe 40 tons thundered to a stop 
as the small fairy, white and weightless, rose up out of their midst. Then 
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Friday, March 11, 2005, 6:18:01 PM, you wrote:

SM> Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and
SM> all the track titles appear in your player when played on a 
SM> computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release -
SM> how does one get the song titles to appear for people
SM> when played on their (internet connected) computer?

SM> Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google
SM> enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know
SM> *everything* in a collective sort of way.

SM> Thanks,
SM> Scott M2

dear Scott,

if you use a feature called "CD text" some newer CD players and some
software CD players (MAC, PC a.o.) can read the titles from the CD.
You need a burning program capable of CD text and such a burner.
Software example = Wavelab from Steinberg but there may be more.
The player read the titles from the CD so there is no need of an
internet connection.

For to read out the titles from an internet database I think you need
a official CD with an EAN and UPC code, and then edit the CD to the
internet CD database (like  http://www.freedb.org).

regards,
Matthias

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My third reading of William Gibson's "Neuromancer" has just begun.  I'm
going to see if I feel inspired to do some illustrations, comic panels or
'storyboards' of a kind this time.

Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* http://www.medialinenews.com
*
* "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
  - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
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Hi Scott.

My cd-ripper, cdex 1.51(amazing piece of free software) uses a public 
database called freedb.org. IIRC the program, when faced with an unknown 
record, allows the user to input their own data to the database.

http://freedb.org/
http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/

Let us know what you find out.

Best wishes.
Andreas


Scott M2 wrote:

>Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and
>all the track titles appear in your player when played on a 
>computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release -
>how does one get the song titles to appear for people
>when played on their (internet connected) computer?
>
>Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google
>enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know
>*everything* in a collective sort of way.
>
>Thanks,
>Scott M2
>
>http://www.dreamSTATE.to
>ambientelectronicsoundscapes
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> Our first CD was pressed through a large manufacturer and
> all the track titles appear in your player when played on a
> computer (PC at least). For a self-manufactured release -
> how does one get the song titles to appear for people
> when played on their (internet connected) computer?
>
> Sorry for the OT nature, but I can't think of a good Google
> enquiry to get this info - and you guys/girls seem to know
> *everything* in a collective sort of way.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott M2



Late last night when I replied I didn't realize it was not sent to the 
list but directly to Scott here's what I told him.

Gracenote CDDB at 
http://www.gracenote.com/corporate/FAQs.html/faqset=subs.   You have to 
enter the track names/times into the database and then when put a CD 
into your computer it accesses the database and automatically fills in 
the info.

Is this what you are looking for?
Ed

I forgot to mention last night if you have iTunes you can enter song 
titles and track info,etc from within iTunes and there is a menu option 
to submit  the info to the Gracenote CD database.

Ed

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One More: Loopitch

"Loopitch is a long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to
continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex
of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun
with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host!"

"Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only
test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The
VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is
otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts."

http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/


On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:25:57 -0500, Tony K <bigtony@softhome.net> wrote:
> > At 09:32 PM 3/10/2005, Kris Hartung wrote:
> >>I'm trying to create a reference list of looping plugins available, in
> >>the VST, RTAS, DirectX, etc formats. So far, I have the following, not
> >>all of which will run in XP. Any others I am missing?
> 
> ColdCutter http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml
> 
> Looks interesting...
> 
> Tony
> 
> 


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Great. Thanks, Art. That makes 12 in the list now, which I've copied
below. I've been messing around with Mobius lately....very cool, like a
virtual EDP....works as a standalone, or as a VST which I can load into
ProTools.

Kris

-----Original Message-----

One More: Loopitch

"Loopitch is a long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to
continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex
of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun
with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host!"

"Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only
test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The
VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is
otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts."

http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/

************************************************************************
***

1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop
recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for
multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your
computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired
by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  No VST, but
supposedly in the future for XP. 
http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 

2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of
audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex
Digital Pro with Loop IV software.  (VST). http://www.zonemobius.com/  

3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop 
http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop
(2-8 seconds delay). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. Lexicon PSP 42  - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase
sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS
classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary
Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique
concept 
http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html  (I just bought this one
and the PSP 84)

6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some
extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST)
http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or
DL-4 (VST plugin) http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/
http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14

8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to
create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop
basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or
digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a
track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the
record button. 
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9. AngstroLooper: a rediculously long delay, it partly emulates an old
style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that
it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop
while playing live (VST plugin) 
http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. Musolomo -  an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows
VST supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop mode, which will
allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware
Looper. http://www.plasq.com

11. Coldcutter -  a VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a
loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in
real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of
the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but
works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST
5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about
compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows
gratefully received. http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) -  a
long-period high-feeback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops
in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the
Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable
looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2
instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play
well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the
FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts.
http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/

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At 10:55 AM +0100 3/12/05, numbernine wrote:
>
>For to read out the titles from an internet database I think you need
>a official CD with an EAN and UPC code, and then edit the CD to the
>internet CD database (like  http://www.freedb.org).
>
>regards,
>Matthias

Internet CD databases actually use the track times to identify the 
CD. They make the assumption that no two CDs will have exactly the 
same track timing. Thus, even a home burned CD of your own material 
can be submitted.


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<<P.S. Update on my VST effect purchases: I just purchased the Lexicon PSP
42 and 84 plugins, plus Antares Filter. In a few days I order Antares
Kantos...an amazing VST plugin that has all sorts of synth sounds that
sound great on the guitar. Also, I now have three VST looping plugins
working in ProTools, Mobius, LoopyLama, and AngstroLooper.  Notebook
system here I come!!!>>




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At 10:05 AM -0700 3/12/05, Kris Hartung wrote:
>That makes 12 in the list now, which I've copied
>below. I've been messing around with Mobius lately....very cool, like a
>virtual EDP....works as a standalone, or as a VST which I can load into
>ProTools.

How about making the Mac/Windows compatibility clearer?
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Not really.  I still haven't dispensed with the rack all together, but
I'm about 75% toward being able to emulate everything in my rack,
including the EDPs and guitar synth tones, with my notebook and VST. I'm
basically building an equivalent system on the side and transitioning
little by little to the notebook, so by the time I do eliminate the rack
gear, there won't be a need to compensate for any losses.  The tough
unit to emulate with VST so far is the VF-1.  It's those rich,
octave/delay/LFO pad like sounds.  That will take some doing, combining
VST effects in serial, etc. It's a fun challenge but not insurmountable.
There are thousands of VST effects out there...some free, some in the
hundreds of dollars.  And processing power hasn't been a problem for me
thus far...I have 2.4 GHz processor, 500MB of RAM, PC notebook.  Though
I plan to by a commercial notebook in the near future that will blow
these specs away and run a lot quieter and more efficiently with a
Centrino Intel processor. 

K-


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<<P.S. Update on my VST effect purchases: I just purchased the Lexicon
PSP 42 and 84 plugins, plus Antares Filter. In a few days I order
Antares Kantos...an amazing VST plugin that has all sorts of synth
sounds that sound great on the guitar. Also, I now have three VST
looping plugins working in ProTools, Mobius, LoopyLama, and
AngstroLooper.  Notebook system here I come!!!>>




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Jeeesh....you're making me work now....see below.  I forgot that PhDs
often have their assistants that do their research for them. ;)   You
can get more details from the URLs.   

Kris


> How about making the Mac/Windows compatibility clearer?
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______________________________________________________________
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(818) 788-2202
http://www.zvonar.com
http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com

1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop
recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for
multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your
computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired
by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  No VST, but
supposedly in the future for XP. 

Supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any other platforms that support
JACK

http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 

2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of
audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex
Digital Pro with Loop IV software.  (VST). 

Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT

http://www.zonemobius.com/  

3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop 

Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC)

http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop
(2-8 seconds delay). 

Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC)

http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. Lexicon PSP 42  - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase
sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS
classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary
Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique
concept 

Suppored on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX

http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html  (I just bought this one
and the PSP 84)

6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some
extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST) 

Supported on....???

http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or
DL-4 (VST plugin) http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/

Suported on Windows and MAC OSX 

http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14

8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to
create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop
basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or
digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a
track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the
record button. 

Supported on Windows

http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9. AngstroLooper: a rediculously long delay, it partly emulates an old
style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that
it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop
while playing live (VST plugin) 

Suppored on Windows

http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. Musolomo -  an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows
VST supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop mode, which will
allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware
Looper. 

Supported on Windows and MAC OS X

http://www.plasq.com

11. Coldcutter -  a VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a
loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in
real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of
the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but
works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST
5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about
compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows
gratefully received. 

Supported on Windows

http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) -  a
long-period high-feeback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops
in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the
Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable
looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2
instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play
well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the
FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. 

Supported on Windows

http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/

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At 12:49 PM -0700 3/12/05, Kris Hartung wrote:
>Jeeesh....you're making me work now....see below.  I forgot that PhDs
>often have their assistants that do their research for them. ;)   You
>can get more details from the URLs.

They do if they have university gigs. I do all my own work. Would you 
to assist me with yours?
-- 

______________________________________________________________
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(818) 788-2202
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http://salamandersongs.com
http://ill-wind.com

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About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a 
pre-sale offer to the list:

TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee 
card: $350
Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225
Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200
Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185
Boss GT-5: $275

All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc....
Paypal preferred
Thanks!
dc

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Hi
I am thinking of continuing my study next year by doing a masters in 
electro acoustic music.
If anyone could point me in the direction of some good books on the 
history of electro acoustic music or good web sites etc.
Also if anyone knows of a site or something that has a list of the 
stand out electro acoustic pieces that have been.... I guess turning 
points.... or of great significance to the history of the music that 
would be great too.
Also if anyone has any guidance as to where a brilliant institution 
would be to study this please go ahead and suggest something.
I am based in england, but would consider going abroad.
best wishes
geoff

Jeff Williams
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check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in May05

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> Hi
> I am thinking of continuing my study next year by doing a
masters in
> electro acoustic music.
> If anyone could point me in the direction of some good
books on the
> history of electro acoustic music or good web sites etc.

Here are a few books that I got a lot out of:

This Holmes book is the first book I read on electronic
music and can probably be credited with my initial interest
in the subject:
http://tinyurl.com/4havt

http://tinyurl.com/44twm

http://tinyurl.com/4qq4v

Here is a good site about Pierre Schaeffer:

http://csunix1.lvc.edu/~snyder/em/schaef.html

> Also if anyone knows of a site or something that has a
list of the
> stand out electro acoustic pieces that have been.... I
guess turning
> points.... or of great significance to the history of the
music that
> would be great too.

Hmm, I dunno, Google it!

> Also if anyone has any guidance as to where a brilliant
institution
> would be to study this please go ahead and suggest
something.
> I am based in england, but would consider going abroad.
> best wishes
> geoff
>
> Jeff Williams
> Http://www.bluecocoa.co.uk
> check out audio extracts of my new e.p. that comes out in
May05

I'm biased because I live here, but the Univerity of
Illinois in the USA has very impressive facilities for
electronic and computer music. At different times I worked
as a tech in both labs and a lot of really interesting stuff
was happening:

http://ems.music.uiuc.edu/

Scott Wyatt has a great studio and is also a really nice
guy. Might be worth checking out.

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net/

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In California; Mills college, CalArts,San Jose State, UC Santa Cruz,  all 
have good programs,facilities  and noteworthy ,or even notorious alumni and 
faculty


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For anyone who is interested, I have figured out a way to do looping on =
the Digitech RP20.  Two schemes: one loop with the full 10 seconds, or =
two loops which can build a four-part harmony loop.=20

RP-20 Looping Configuration

This is a ten-second loop (max).  To record a loop, first activate the =
arm switch, then hit the record switch to begin recording and again to =
stop recording and start playing the loop. =20
ARM        =3D F9
RECORD =3D F0
---------------------------
Setup for looping on RP-20
T
he idea is to assign parameters on the long-delay effect to one of two =
foot switches in such a way as to let the audio into the delay when =
record is pressed, then cut the input but allow output when it is =
pressed again.=20

Assign parameters to ARM or RECORD switch with following levels =
[low,high]:
ARM switch:
    FxLvl  =3D [ OFF, ON ]
    FdBck =3D [ 99, 0 ]
    Out     =3D [ 75, 0 ]
    TapIt   =3D assigned
RECORD switch:
    Delay  =3D [ OFF, ON ]
    Time   =3D [ 0, 0 ]
---------------------------
---------------------------
Two long delays (5s) in series which can built a four-part loop.=20

Using:
Foot switches:=20
ARM-1        =3D F7
RECORD-1 =3D F8
ARM-2        =3D F9
RECORD-2 =3D F0

Record first into loop-1, then into loop-2 (loop-1 will be included). =
Stop loop-1 and record a new loop to play along with loop-2. Finally, =
play along with both loops (four-part).
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Also see #19, Sample And Repeat

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On Mar 12, 2005, at 1:58 PM, David Coffin wrote:

> Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225
> Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200

I don't need them since I've got them, but I can heartily endorse both 
of these units and I'll also note that they don't become available all 
that often. I once sold a Vortex to get a second AM8000R. (I've now 
also got what I think was once Dave Coffin's Vortex...)

Mark

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   this response from Charles Lucy:

    I suggest Goldsmiths in London -

Avoid Kingston University like the plague.
I wasted a couple of years doing their pathetic masters in composition for 
Film/TV at Kingston.

Do you still need links to history, electro-acoustic and Goldsmiths etc.?


Charles Lucy - lucy@harmonics.com
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> If anyone could point me in the direction of some good books on the
> history of electro acoustic music or good web sites etc.


a must for you is the recent "archives grm" 5-cd box. it was reviewed in the
latest issue of wire. i just got my copy but haven't had time to listen yet.

http://www.ina.fr/produits/disques/ina-GRM/disque277.fr.html

read the list of artists and you know why I mean it is a must.


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 With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any spec recommendations
for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running a few softsynths at
once?

Dave Eichenberger 
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At 6:32 PM -0800 3/12/05, samba - wrote:
>In California; Mills college, CalArts,San Jose State, UC Santa Cruz, 
>all have good programs,facilities  and noteworthy ,or even notorious 
>alumni and faculty


I'll second this. I took Gordon Mumma's History, Literature and 
Technology of Electronic Music at UCSC and it was one of the best 
classes I ever took. A large portion was listening to tapes of Mr 
Mumma's private collection. Great stuff!

Edwin

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I've arrived to this discussion late.    =20
Would someone be into collating the final list of this post when it ends =
and reposting it
as a resource.

I have a tribe at tribe.net called AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous that =
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   I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or =
themselves)
who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music =
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at Loopers Delight.
I can think of at least a half dozen.

Do you folks feel like outing yourselves?   It would be cool to know.

I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity on =
design for a few companies but
I'm not a realy developer.  Who are the real folks?



ps  Richard Zvonar and others:    can you read this posting (I know you =
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I'll post the final list, Rick.  I'll wait a few more days for other
submissions, then repost the list.
K-


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I've arrived to this discussion late.     
Would someone be into collating the final list of this post when it ends
and reposting it
as a resource.

I have a tribe at tribe.net called AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous that
I'll post the results to 
(with credit to the collator for their work).

Please come join us at that tribe..................it's cool and there
are a lot of plugin designers who frequent it.

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1. SooperLooper - live looping sampler capable of immediate loop
recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for
multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your
computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired
by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  No VST, but
supposedly in the future for XP. Supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and
any other platforms that support JACK
http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 

2. Mobius - a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of
audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex
Digital Pro with Loop IV software.  (VST).  Supported on Windows XP,
2000, and NT
http://www.zonemobius.com/  

3. ELOTTRONIX XL - VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop.
Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC)
http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. ELOTTRONIX - VST processor which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's
effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop
(2-8 seconds delay).  Supported on PCs (not sure about MAC)
http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. Lexicon PSP 42  - high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase
sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS
classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary
Lexicon PCM 42 processor famous for its distinctive sound and unique
concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX
http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html  

6. Augustus Loop - an emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some
extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device (not VST). 
http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... Made to emulate the Jam Man or
DL-4 (VST plugin) http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/
Supported on Windows and MAC OSX 
http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14

8. Ambiloop - Windows software application that uses your sound card to
create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop
basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or
digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a
track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the
record button.  
Supported on Windows
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9. AngstroLooper: a ridiculously long delay, it partly emulates an old
style tape loop system - but rather than trying to model something that
it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop
while playing live (VST plugin). Supported on Windows
http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. Musolomo -  an "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows
VST supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop mode, which will
allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware
Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X
http://www.plasq.com

11. Coldcutter -  a VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a
loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in
real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of
the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but
works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST
5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about
compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows
gratefully received. Supported on Windows
http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) -  a
long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops
in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the
Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable
looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2
instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play
well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the
FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts.
Supported on Windows
http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/


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It's not irritating at all if you cannot see it (I am quite seriously 
color-blind).  I never noticed that NemoGuit was the only one posting in 
grey (I thought all postings were grey....I thought they were all grey, or 
at least they alll are to me!)

Max

>From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com>


color, man, if it's not irritating.)
>
>I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which is 
>why I chose this color.


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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Wednesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor
(directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto
Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Wed. March 16th - Adelaide + Aidan Baker with Mnemosyne

Adelaide formed in the summer sun of 2003, in Portland, Oregon.
Drawing on their inspirations from a variety of musical genres
and artistic mediums, the band discovered a mutual fascination
with the combinations of sound and image. Through sonic and
visual experimentations, Adelaide coalesced their aesthetic
ideas into a performance that includes 16mm film projections,
etherial electronics and minimal guitar and drum parts. Their
debut self-titled album was released in august of 2004.
http://www.adelaidesound.com

Mnemosyne is based in Toronto and originally featured
Aidan Baker on guitars/loops/vocals, Richard Baker on drums/
percussion, & Rodin Columb on bass/electronics. In early
2005, Graham Miller joined in as a second guitarist &
synth/electronics player. Within the context of a 'power trio',
they explore fragmentary post/space-rock ranging sonically
from washes of ambient sound to walls of fractured dissonance.
The group will be performing music from Aidan's newest CD
"Figures" now available from Transient Frequency recordings.
http://listen.to/aidan   http://www.transientfrequency.com

Between Sets CD - "Apart" (disc 1) by Paul Shutze
Disc 1 of Australian-born, London, UK resident, composer,
keyboardist & sound designer Paul Schütze's "Apart" CD merges
ambient textures with percussion. http://www.paulschutze.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Wednesday March 23rd - The Devil In The Design,
     Wierd State Inbetween and The Lonely Flight
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/thedevilinthedesign.htm
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/lonelyflight.htm
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/weirdstateinbetween.htm
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

||: IN THE LOOP :||  by Luna Tek

Only two days after our first real taste of spring, PiNG artists
& enthusiasts braved the snow and cold to gather at Hacienda
for a concert by the talented folks from Worthy Records, a
Hamilton-based collective and the only non-profit, artist-run
record label in Ontario.

Composed, arranged and performed by Anne Sulikowski,
Building Castles out of Matchsticks presented a gorgeous
first set of analogue synthesis and accidental sequences.
Anne's vocal treatments added an ethereal element to
an always intriguing performance.

Anne was joined by Psychosomatic Climax Machine for the
second set. Featuring Anne, Scott Johnson & Vanessa Price
on keyboards and Phil Ogilson & Jeff Sinibaldi on guitars,
this improvisational music ensemble captivated listeners
with an electric performance of energy-building improvisations.

General Chaos, who have become a regular part of
Psychosomatic Climax Machine's live performances,
supported both shows with their lush, atmospheric visuals.

While PiNG organizers have their fingers crossed that the
support shown last Wednesday night continues, they are also
exploring new possibilities for TAP. Stay tuned for details.

More info: www.worthyrecords.com

Luna Tek  -  luna@theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews

Building Castles Out of Matchsticks return with "Then
YOU must be an android!", a powerful collection of beat-
and glitch-driven electronics matched with the emotionality
that Anne Sulikowski's work has become so well known for.

Opening with the title track, Anne and guest Scott Johnson
create a percussion based groove matched with smooth and
haunting vocal stylings. A blend of human and electronic
influences that's a stunning and sexy way to start the disc.

"I've Got a Camera" continues in a similar vein, a haunting
vocal sliding through shifting drum patterns of increasing
complexity and style slowly descending into a chaotic
whirl of noise.  Something very dark and ominous about
this track, a feeling of film noir voyeurism and rainy nighttime
secrets kept under a pre-post future shock post modern
New York City skyline. Brilliant.

"Fixed" follows, a rotating drone based piece building in
intensity and tension. High pitched whistles and tones play
throughout adding to the atmosphere, adding a sense of
disturbance to the track.

"Now wait for last year....." closes the disc, a repeated
melody playing through a huge drum filled cavern eventually
giving way to minimalist calm and tranquility. A stunningly
powerful piece, a marvel of simplicity that leaves me in awe.
Wonderful work.

Needless to say, Anne has done it again, releasing a disc
that perfectly captures the sounds of lonely hearts spending
Saturday nights alone at home toying with electric friends.

"You're beautiful..." he said as she looked up with a
clockwork smile. "Beautiful."

rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com

http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things

Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting
live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv
and experimental music artists plus performers from across
the continent, every Wednesday evening at HACiENDA -
794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances
or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks.



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In a message dated 3/13/05 5:29:15 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


> I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings
> 

bring me the head of that grey bastard!

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I guess I fall into that catagory... It's a small industry but luckily I've
managed to stay in it for 10+ years... I started at Opcode, porting Vision to
Windows... then Digidesign, working on the ProTools port to Windows... Emu,
working on the Emulator X project... Apple, working on Quicktime for the
ProMedia group... and these days I am working at Euphonix, writing software for
digital mixing consoles... on the side I have written many musical experiments,
but most are just exercises in ideas... from controlling my ProMix01 in a way
to do quad mixing, to a variety of midi fx, as well as Max type archtitectures
(which, like alot of my projects don't ever get a proper UI, and thus sit
unfinished.. hehe)... I write the midi portions of AmbiLoop.. And I've
contributed to portmidi, a cross-platform midi library... blah... blah.. blah..
not sure that much info was needed, and, bottom line is I still love doing it,
and I feel very thankful for that.. :)

peace
-cpr

Quoting "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com>:

>    I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves)
> who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music software
> there are
> at Loopers Delight.
> I can think of at least a half dozen.
> 
> Do you folks feel like outing yourselves?   It would be cool to know.
> 
> I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity on design
> for a few companies but
> I'm not a realy developer.  Who are the real folks?
> 
> 
> 
> ps  Richard Zvonar and others:    can you read this posting (I know you don't
> like my dayglo green background
> but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if it's not
> irritating.)
> 
> I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which is
> why I chose this color.




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Greetings all!

I will be performing solo Chapman Stick and loops at Emoda Gallery in
the Highlands in Louisville on Saturday, April 2nd from 7:00pm through
9:00pm as part of the first Bardstown Road (Highlands) Hip Hop Trolley
hop.

The Hip Hop is sponsored by the merchants group Highlands Independent
Proprietors. For more info about the trolley hop, call 502-767-8051.

Please come out and support local art, music, and craft!

Emoda Gallery, 967 Baxter Avenue, Louisville, 40204

Thanks,
Clint Allen
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At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote:
>    I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves)
>who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music 
>software there are
>at Loopers Delight.
>I can think of at least a half dozen.
>
>Do you folks feel like outing yourselves?   It would be cool to know.
>
>I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity 
>on design for a few companies but
>I'm not a realy developer.  Who are the real folks?
>

I used to (Dr T's KCS Omega with an always quirky, now primitive UI 
-- also with the ability to define 126 linked or independent 
sequences and start , stop mute, or loop any of these independently 
-- also had some less fully realized improv tools (midi -ax).

Really wish we had not get our pc port project lose focus.  Water 
under the bridge....

Now I write video software (my main art these days -- and one that I 
can get paid for without starting my own company.)

-- 

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opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the 
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I'm currently reading a BOSS GT-8 owner's manual. :)

Recently, I read the "Little House" series of books
by Laura Ingalls Wilder. OK, stop laughing! I really
enjoyed them.

A past favorite is "The Anubis Gates" by Tim Powers.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0441004016/002-1718407-1981650

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On Mar 14, 2005, at 0:42, max valentino wrote:

> It's not irritating at all if you cannot see it (I am quite seriously 
> color-blind).  I never noticed that NemoGuit was the only one posting 
> in grey (I thought all postings were grey....I thought they were all 
> grey, or at least they alll are to me!)
>
> Max


A bit off topic, but it reminds me of a funny story. In the nineties I 
was part of an artist project that made records signed to a major 
record label and one of the best record cover designer, that all labels 
were hiring for release projects, also had this inability to tell 
certain shades of red from green. He had been living for years in a 
flat under the strong belief that the bathroom was grey, when in fact 
it was green.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi all,=20
I'm new here.=20
I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly =
freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows.
At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop ( =
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ).

The question:
1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ?
Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC =
DELAYS
(I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of =
money=20
in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.)

Many thanks=20
giorgio
-----------------------------
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3=20
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">I'm ambient music guitarist ... and =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">At the moment I'm using the =
beatiful Ambiloop=20
( <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">giorgio<BR></FONT><FONT=20
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valtzloop.mp3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western =

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Kris,  you rock!!!!!   Thanks for doing that work. 

We're all appreciative, I"m sure,  Rick

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i would also be very interested in this and an easy an
intuitive drums sampler that syncs perfect to the EDPs
midi clock!


--- hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
>  With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any
> spec recommendations
> for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running
> a few softsynths at
> once?
> 
> Dave Eichenberger 
> http://www.hazardfactor.com
> 
> 

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Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? Also,
try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays.
 
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/
 
Kris
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
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Hi all, 
I'm new here. 
I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly
freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows.
At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop (
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ).
 
The question:
1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ?
Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC
DELAYS
(I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of
money 
in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.)

Many thanks 
giorgio
-----------------------------
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3 
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3
If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western
Detunes" CD here: 
    http://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm


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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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2005 3:18=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">Hi all, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">I'm new here. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">I'm ambient music guitarist ... =
and I'm=20
  looking for sw&nbsp;cheap (possibly freeware) sw to make lops and =
delays wiith=20
  windows.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">At the moment I'm using the =
beatiful=20
  Ambiloop ( <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/">http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/</A>&=
nbsp;).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">The&nbsp;question:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">1. Do anyone know similar sw on =
alternative=20
  ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">Specifically I would like a tool =
to use in=20
  reatime for </FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">MULTITAP/RHYTMIC=20
  DELAYS<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">(I mean Multi-Tap=20
  complex/long&nbsp;delays ...&nbsp;avoiding to spent a lot of =
money&nbsp;<BR>in=20
  hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. =
etc.)<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">Many thanks </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">giorgio<BR></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">-----------------------------</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Unicode MS">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3">http://solyari=
s.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3</A>=20
  </FONT></DIV>
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There are hundreds of choices.  My #1 choice would be a commercial
notebook with an Intel mobile Centrino processor and 1gig of RAM.  To
find a commercial box from manufacturer, you'll need to go and buy it
directly from their site, not a retail store (physical or online).  For
example, either IBM or Hewlett-Packard make high end commercial
notebooks that they use themselves for their own employees. They will
come loaded with XP Professional. The commercial notebooks are more
robust and reliable than consumer notebooks...but a little more
expensive.  I say this because I'm considering a new notebook, and I
have a consumer version. I would never buy a consumer laptop again,
personally.  And my wife works for Intel, and knows the scoop on what
companies use what processors in their notebooks, what have a good
reputation, etc.  But, again, there are many commercial notebooks that
would be fine.  The processor is the key.  On ProTools and mBox, for
instance, I've major latency discrepancies between cheaper notebooks
with lower end processors and more expensive notebook with  higher end
processors.  With PC notebooks, you can't ignore the type of processor,
whether AMD, Intel, or all the subsets of processor types within these.
They each have their different function or purpose, and performance
behavior. Basically you pay for what you get. If you buy a computer
online and you have the option to do a custom configuration (which you
can usually do), don't cut corners on the processor.  That will manifest
itself in your musical software performance. 

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 With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any spec
recommendations for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running a
few softsynths at once?

Dave Eichenberger 
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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050310.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on
Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet.

                    Show #416                    March 10, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American Ambient 
master Steve
Roach.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Live Archive" by Steve Roach and
vidnaObmana on the Groove Unlimited label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Dune" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records
released in 1979.

Steve Roach - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
================================
11:00 pm
Klaus Schulze           Dune *                   Dune (Brain)
Ian Boddy and Bernhard  Accretion                Moiré (DiN)
  Wösteinrich
Ian Boddy and Bernhard  Perambulator             Moiré (DiN)
  Wösteinrich
Tor Lundvall            It's Over Now            Last Light (Strange 
Fortune)
VA [Volt]               Obviously                E-dition #5 (Groove)
Remy                    Shades in the Darkness   Different Shades of 
Dust (AKH)
Matthew Florianz        Part Two                 The Tone T(h)ree (NS 
Recordings)

12:00 am
Roach and Obmana        Verucchio Invocation     Live Archive (Groove)
Roach and Obmana        Common Ground            Live Archive (Groove)
Roach and Obmana        Two Reptiles             Live Archive (Groove)
Roach and Obmana        Dreampipe Dialogue       Live Archive (Groove)
Roach and Obmana        Soundworld Collage       Live Archive (Groove)
Roach and Obmana        Ascension                Live Archive (Groove)
Roach and Obmana        Tribal Perspective       Live Archive (Groove)
Roach and Obmana        Divine Innermission *    Live Archive (Groove)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Streams and Currents" by Steve Roach on the
Projekt label.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Wunjo" by Giles Reaves on MCA 
Records from
1986.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in
Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on
Sevice Electric Cable.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and 
click on
the LISTEN link or go directly to:
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One last thing. Check out this site:

http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/processors/index.htm

Click on the various models and look at the specs around clock speed, L2
cache, etc.  Also, don't bee fooled by the Centrino/Intel Pentium M
Process clock speeds...they show as lower than the prior Intel
processors, but they are technically much  more efficient and exhibit
faster performance because Centrino uses a different technology.   They
can't be compared directly because Centrino works much more efficiently
than other Intel processors, in the way it allocates its processing
power, instructions, etc.

If you internalize these specs, then when you go to buy a PC notebook
with an Intel processor, you'll know what you are getting rather than
letting the idiot sales person try to lead you to one option or flavor
of the day, based on what their boss is asking them to push through the
pipeline at that particular time. 

You could go to the AMD website and look at their processor specs too.
I have a Compaq/HP consumer notebook - a Presario 2525US with a 2.4 GHz
desktop processor, Intel Pentium 4.  You'll know if a notebook uses a
desktop versus mobile processor, because they are noisy and the
notebooks are thick and heavy. I would avoid these.  I plan to
personally buy a notebook with a mobile processor next time. Quite,
fast, efficient...no fan noise getting into your recordings, etc.  

With my current notebook,  I am able to run two or three VST plugins in
ProTools and the Mobius looper VST with no problems.   And ProTools
sucks up some processing power too. If I ran my VSTs in something like
AudioMulch, it would perform better.   

I have a friend who  bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on
the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and performance
with ProTools.  We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard
drive configurations. The only difference was our processors.  It was
very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can run
my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency.  He had to run
his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash ProTools
once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of the
crash.  I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me,
unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump my
bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not
recording. This prevents any sort of ProTools crash.  It's something
about how our two processors allocate resources for memory, cache,
processing, etc. I wish I knew the details, but the only difference I
could tell was that he was using a less expesive processor...other than
this, it's all a mystery to me.   Point being, I just won't cut corners
on a processor.

Kris


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 With all the talk of programs, does anyone have any spec
recommendations for a PC laptop capable of live looping, and running a
few softsynths at once?

Dave Eichenberger 
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> At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote:
>>    I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or 
>> themselves)
>>who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music 
>>software there are
>>at Loopers Delight.
>>I can think of at least a half dozen.
>>
>>Do you folks feel like outing yourselves?   It would be cool to know.


I wrote a few plugins for Tuareg (www.brambos.com) I'd like to do some more 
audio programming, but I'm having much more fun playing with the plugins 
these days.  I've tried my hand at SynthEdit and it's a nice environment for 
doing VSTs.

I try keeping up with the discussions on MusicDSP, but most of it makes my 
head explode.

Tony 

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At 2:29 PM -0800 3/13/05, loop.pool wrote:

>ps  Richard Zvonar and others:    can you read this posting (I know 
>you don't like my dayglo green background
>but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if 
>it's not irritating.)
>
>I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings 
>which is why I chose this color.

It's marginally legible and relatively annoying. Even if I change my 
screen resolution to 1024 x 768  I have to lean forward and squint in 
order to make it out, whereas the black Monaco font I'm using is 
clearly legible at 1344 x 840.

I think people who post in colors and gray are concerned more with 
presenting their personal "style" than with conveying useful 
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loop.pool wrote:
>    I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves)
> who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music 
> software there are
> at Loopers Delight.
> I can think of at least a half dozen.
>  
> Do you folks feel like outing yourselves?   It would be cool to know.

I've been posting to the list lately, so most of you probably already
know me as the author of Mobius.  But hey, I'm not one to back away
from another chance at self promotion :-)

I've been writing music software as a hobby on and off for about 20
years, mostly MIDI sequencers and device editors.  I started on the
Amiga, moved to the PC, and am about to take possession of a MAC Mini
(yes, I'm porting).

Professionally, I've done a lot of different things mostly at startup
companies.  Currently I develop mind numbing "enterprise security"
software.  Working on Mobius keeps me sane.

Musically, I started as a jazz tenor sax player but abandoned that
after college.  I taught myself guitar to meet girls, which oddly
enough didn't work.  I don't gig, I improvise and occasionally record
for my own enjoyment.  My current gear favorites are the Vortex,
Roland VG-88, and Godin LGX-SA.

My first "looper" was a Korg delay with a whopping 2 seconds of loop
time. I eventually graduated to a JamMan but got frustrated with the
lack of stereo.  I set out to write a stereo looper to replace the
JamMan about a year ago, got sidetracked after discovering the EDP,
and eventually arrived at Mobius.  A long strange trip indeed.

Regards,
Jeff

www.zonemobius.com


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> One last thing. Check out this site:
> 
> http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/processors/index.htm
> 
> Click on the various models and look at the specs around clock speed, L2
>...
> Kris

Hey Kris, maybe you can help me...I'm having a severe GAS attack for one of 
these:

<http://www.openlabs.com/products/product_info-nekoseries.htm>

Please talk me out of it! 

The last two weekends I've been playing around with building my entire looping
setup inside Reaktor on my old PC with a 500MHz PIII. It works great, and I 
can do all kinds of stuff I can't do with the pedalboard setup, like 
instantaneously change the drum beat and the guitar processing on the fly 
without having to hit a lot of switches really fast. I just set up a sequencer 
that controls three Tapedeck modules, the processing of the guitar's split 
pickup, the drum loops, and audio routing. Then while performing I just step 
on one pedal to advance the sequencer to the next step. It rocks. And with
Reaktor's Beat Loop module, I can set it up so it seamlessly changes the speed
of the drum loops to whatever tempo I need. And I won't run out of memory if
I play Girl From Ipanema and forget to set the Echoplex from 3 loops to 2 loops.
(One chorus of Girl from Ipanema is slightly longer than 66 seconds!)

Anyway, if I had this neKO beast, I could do it all inside there, then add my
synthesized big band horns AND Hammond organ keyboard sounds to it using the
Native Instruments' B4 program. The thought of it is making me drool. Please 
tell me that this thing is way overpriced and how I could build an equivalent 
setup way cheaper. Stop me before it's too late. Thanks!

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

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MessageThank you Kris for your info,

>Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent?

no, I don't know. I'm new here can you please give me a link ?

>Also, try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays.

mmhh.... I saw that most are VST plugins;
I don't know how to run a VST plugin (I'm using Audacity and some VST 
plugins seem to ot run properly);
may you suggets a freeware software to use as  VST to act as a launching pad 
?
btw, I would prefer satdalone sw .. as the great Ambiloop :)

regards
giorgio

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Sent: Monday, 14 March, 2005 13:49
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Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? Also, try 
this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays.

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/

Kris



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Hi all,
I'm new here.
I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly 
freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows.
At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop ( 
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ).

The question:
1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ?
Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC 
DELAYS
(I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of money
in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.)

Many thanks
giorgio
-----------------------------
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3
If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western Detunes" 
CD here:
    http://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm 


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Would you be using the keys on the keyboard? Or just using it as a way
to get to the PC and also control with your guitar synth?  You can also
buy hardware units that will load up with VST plugins (effects,
soft-synths, etc), like the Muse Receptor.  I'd say forget the keyboard
and use the processing power of a computer or hardware VST host.  The
keyboard seems to add a lot of redundant technology that you can perform
with the computer.  That Neko is pricey too!   I cool combination would
be something like the Receptor for our VST effects, and then a notebook
with Mobius for your looping. I still need to fully test the stability
of running a series of VST effects and a looping VST on the same
computer...so far, so good, but I haven't tested it with long songs,
multiple layers of loops, etc.  

...just my two cents.

Kris




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> One last thing. Check out this site:
> 
> http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/processors/index.htm
> 
> Click on the various models and look at the specs around clock speed, 
>L2 ...  Kris

Hey Kris, maybe you can help me...I'm having a severe GAS attack for one
of 
these:

<http://www.openlabs.com/products/product_info-nekoseries.htm>

Please talk me out of it! 

The last two weekends I've been playing around with building my entire
looping setup inside Reaktor on my old PC with a 500MHz PIII. It works
great, and I 
can do all kinds of stuff I can't do with the pedalboard setup, like 
instantaneously change the drum beat and the guitar processing on the
fly 
without having to hit a lot of switches really fast. I just set up a
sequencer 
that controls three Tapedeck modules, the processing of the guitar's
split 
pickup, the drum loops, and audio routing. Then while performing I just
step 
on one pedal to advance the sequencer to the next step. It rocks. And
with Reaktor's Beat Loop module, I can set it up so it seamlessly
changes the speed of the drum loops to whatever tempo I need. And I
won't run out of memory if I play Girl From Ipanema and forget to set
the Echoplex from 3 loops to 2 loops. (One chorus of Girl from Ipanema
is slightly longer than 66 seconds!)

Anyway, if I had this neKO beast, I could do it all inside there, then
add my synthesized big band horns AND Hammond organ keyboard sounds to
it using the Native Instruments' B4 program. The thought of it is making
me drool. Please 
tell me that this thing is way overpriced and how I could build an
equivalent 
setup way cheaper. Stop me before it's too late. Thanks!

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net


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AudioMulch is a cool host for VST effects...you can drop them in the
window, creating your own routing and configuration, etc.

http://www.audiomulch.com/

Also, that same website I copied below links to a HUGE selection of
other VST effects and hosts:

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/HOSTS_VST/

Kris



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MessageThank you Kris for your info,

>Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent?

no, I don't know. I'm new here can you please give me a link ?

>Also, try this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays.

mmhh.... I saw that most are VST plugins;
I don't know how to run a VST plugin (I'm using Audacity and some VST 
plugins seem to ot run properly);
may you suggets a freeware software to use as  VST to act as a launching
pad 
?
btw, I would prefer satdalone sw .. as the great Ambiloop :)

regards
giorgio

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Subject: RE: CHEAP software tools for Multitap/Rhitmic DELAYS ?


Did you see the list of 12 looping plugins and programs I sent? Also,
try 
this page, crammmed full of free and demo delays.

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/EFFECTS_DELAY_ECHO/

Kris



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Hi all,
I'm new here.
I'm ambient music guitarist ... and I'm looking for sw cheap (possibly 
freeware) sw to make lops and delays wiith windows.
At the moment I'm using the beatiful Ambiloop ( 
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ).

The question:
1. Do anyone know similar sw on alternative ?
Specifically I would like a tool to use in reatime for MULTITAP/RHYTMIC 
DELAYS
(I mean Multi-Tap complex/long delays ... avoiding to spent a lot of
money in hw racks ... see the T.C. Electronics T-Two, etc. etc.)

Many thanks
giorgio
-----------------------------
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/lucesull'acqua.mp3
    http://solyaris.altervista.org/night's valtzloop.mp3
If you enjoy guitar ambient music of Solyaris, you can buy "Western
Detunes" 
CD here:
    http://www.deeplistenings.it/pages/umbra_records_catalogue.htm 



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At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote:
>
>I have a friend who  bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on
>the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and performance
>with ProTools.  We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard
>drive configurations. The only difference was our processors.  It was
>very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can run
>my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency.  He had to run
>his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash ProTools
>once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of the
>crash.  I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me,
>unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump my
>bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not
>recording.



This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I 
don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, 
hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency 
independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that 
means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using 
Protools LE  a while back on various processors and every one of them 
has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount 
of latency for each setting. Is there any chance that you had the Low 
Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different 
fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer 
size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. It would be very 
interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast enough processor, 
I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing 
latency!


All the best,
Edwin
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At 7:26 AM -0800 3/14/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:
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I have my email set up with no background and this list gets sent to 
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At 10:55 AM -0600 3/14/05, Jeff Larson wrote:
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>
>I've been writing music software as a hobby on and off for about 20
>years, mostly MIDI sequencers and device editors.  I started on the
>Amiga, moved to the PC, and am about to take possession of a MAC Mini
>(yes, I'm porting).
>


I am hoping that the porting will be Mobius! Let us know if you need 
beta testers.

Edwin
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Edwin Hurwitz wrote:
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plain text rather than html or whatever encoding. Much easier to deal with.
Why make things more complicated than they need to be? 
They all look the same to me!

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Hi,

Please remember that any discussion of latency is only valid IF you do 
intend to use software monitoring on the machine (i.e. real-time effect 
processing of your direct instrument input sound). If your instrument 
input already sounds good you should use direct monitoring to pipe  it 
directly to the output. Since audio software is usually compensating 
for AD/DA latency, the part of the sound that is being processed and 
looped by software will be catching up with the direct instrument sound 
at the output in perfect sync (= no latency). I do this and usually 
keep the buffer setting at 256 samples, sometimes 512.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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> At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote:
>>
>> I have a friend who  bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on
>> the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and 
>> performance
>> with ProTools.  We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard
>> drive configurations. The only difference was our processors.  It was
>> very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can 
>> run
>> my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency.  He had to run
>> his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash ProTools
>> once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of 
>> the
>> crash.  I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me,
>> unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump 
>> my
>> bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not
>> recording.
>
On Mar 14, 2005, at 19:49, Edwin Hurwitz wrote:
>
> This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I 
> don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, 
> hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency 
> independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that 
> means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using 
> Protools LE  a while back on various processors and every one of them 
> has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount of 
> latency for each setting. Is there any chance that you had the Low 
> Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different 
> fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer 
> size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. It would be very 
> interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast enough processor, 
> I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing 
> latency!
>
>
> All the best,
> Edwin
> -- 
>
> Edwin Hurwitz
> Boulder CO
> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services



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At 12:11 PM -0700 3/14/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote:

>I have my email set up with no background and this list gets sent to 
>me in plain text rather than html or whatever encoding. Much easier 
>to deal with. Why make things more complicated than they need to be? 
>They all look the same to me!

This is a sensible way to deal with the problem. Unfortunately most 
e-mail clients will require that you set up the HTML/plain text 
option globally. Some of the announcements I subscribe to actually 
use HTML in a useful way.
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At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote:
>
>I have a friend who  bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on 
>the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and performance

>with ProTools.  We both had notebooks with similar RAM, XP, and hard 
>drive configurations. The only difference was our processors.  It was 
>very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback Engine settings, I can 
>run my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency.  He had to 
>run his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash 
>ProTools once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more 
>risk of the crash.  I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes 
>for me, unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then 
>I bump my bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm 
>not recording.

> This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I 
don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, 
hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency 
independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that 
means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using 
Protools LE  a while back on various processors and every one of them 
has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount 
of latency for each setting. 

I may have described my situation above incorrectly.  I can't recall
exactly if he had more latency on 256 than me on my processor. I just
know that his system produced the buffer error  constantly on 128 and
occasionally on 256.  For some reason, I think his 256 buffer setting
did produce more latency than mine....now I want to go over and do the
test again.

>  Is there any chance that you had the Low 
Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different 
fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer 
size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. 

Where is that setting? I haven't seen it in my version of ProTools LE.
What do you have under Setup, Preference, and Processing? 

> It would be very interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast
enough processor, 
I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing 
latency!

 I would not be able to test what we're asking here without getting a
better notebook and processor than what I have now. I don't know if the
buffer size to latency ratio is relative or absolutute. One thing I do
know, based on the test I did with a processor that wasn't as robust as
mine, is that buffer errors are relative to processor efficency. Your
guess is as good as mine! 

I'm going to go over to the ProTools user group on Digidesign's site and
see if this is discussed anywhere.  All I know at this point is that the
buffer error frequency changes from system to system with the same
buffer settings. What can we conclude from this?

Kris



All the best,
Edwin
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Boulder CO
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Good point, Per. For example, on mBox/ProTools, you can just turn the
wet mix off and hear your direct signal....works great if you record
with effects.   I actually use 128 as my buffer setting, because I'm not
using the mBox to record, just host my VSTs.  Hence I get no buffer
errors that I would get if I recorded at 128.  

Kris


-----Original Message-----
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Hi,

Please remember that any discussion of latency is only valid IF you do 
intend to use software monitoring on the machine (i.e. real-time effect 
processing of your direct instrument input sound). If your instrument 
input already sounds good you should use direct monitoring to pipe  it 
directly to the output. Since audio software is usually compensating 
for AD/DA latency, the part of the sound that is being processed and 
looped by software will be catching up with the direct instrument sound 
at the output in perfect sync (= no latency). I do this and usually 
keep the buffer setting at 256 samples, sometimes 512.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
---
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http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen


> At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote:
>>
>> I have a friend who  bought a notebook, but decided to cut corners on

>> the processor....I noticed a huge difference in latency and 
>> performance with ProTools.  We both had notebooks with similar RAM, 
>> XP, and hard drive configurations. The only difference was our 
>> processors.  It was very interesting. On ProTools in the Playback 
>> Engine settings, I can run
>> my hardware buffer size at 256 samples with no latency.  He had to
run
>> his at 128, but then when he started to record it would crash
ProTools
>> once in a while....lower buffer size, less latency, but more risk of 
>> the
>> crash.  I found that 256 yielded no latency and no crashes for me,
>> unless I'm playing back a lot of tracks and mixing down...then I bump

>> my
>> bufffer up to 512 where latency is not an issue because I'm not
>> recording.
>
On Mar 14, 2005, at 19:49, Edwin Hurwitz wrote:
>
> This seems odd to me. While I am a Mac guy (love my PB 1.5 Ghz!), I
> don't think this would be different on PC. From what I understand, 
> hardware buffer settings introduce various amounts of latency 
> independent of anything else. If I set a buffer size of 256, that 
> means that there will be a latency of 256 samples. I started using 
> Protools LE  a while back on various processors and every one of them 
> has given me (admittedly not scientifically tested) the same amount of

> latency for each setting. Is there any chance that you had the Low 
> Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different 
> fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer 
> size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable. It would be very 
> interesting to me to know that if I just got a fast enough processor, 
> I could set the buffer as large as I wanted without introducing 
> latency!
>
>
> All the best,
> Edwin
> --
>
> Edwin Hurwitz
> Boulder CO
> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services




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Well, Mark, for serious horsepower you'd need the 64-bit dual opteron 
processor - neKo64 with Dual Opteron 64-bit 1.4GHz/512MB RAM/80GB 
HD/CDRW/Touchscreen
 -  a minimum of 1gig of ram - especially for largish sample-banks. Also 
required is an extra harddrive and a case for transportation (forklift 
not included - the above system weighs in at almost 100 pounds!!!)
It doesn't really have any software on it, that isn't either freeware in 
the first place.
All of this bulky, ugly-looking stuff for the low, low price of just 
7,485$!
Now, let's examine what we can get for that kind of money:

My Alternate System:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=83-102-610&DEPA=0
- An AMD64 3500+ pc with one gigabyte of ram, a 200g harddrive, and all 
the trimmings .1668 $
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-016-046&depa=1
- A Planar 17" touchscreen LCD monitor 758 $
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=23-134-025&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE
- laptop-style keyboard and touchpad 54 $
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=22-140-151&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE
- maxtor 200 gig 7200 rpm drive.103 $

That's got the basics more-or-less covered: Touchscreen, really fast 
computer, tiny keyboard with trackpad. And I'll bet you it's easier to 
lug around. So, how much was that? It totals out at $2,582.99. Leaving 
you with about a cool 5 grand. You could buy a decent car with that 
money. or ten macMinis. Or a killer soundcard and a trip to Bermuda. Or 
a chapman Stick. Or, if you desperately want to spend: Spend on one of 
these:

http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Order/WebHome
- An awesome Kyma, with extra processing board, MotorMix controller( - 
doesn't get much better than a motormix), a carrying case and a Wacom 
board!!!
 - all of this KYMA-stuff is  4937.00 $

SO:
BAD-ASS PC SYSTEM W. TOUCHSCREEN: 2583 $
BAD-ASS KYMA SYSTEM                            :  4937 $
- vs. the measly nEKO 64.... tsk.
Of course you shouldn't run out and spend all that money, that's partly 
my point - that no-one in their right minds would buy 8000$ worth of 
computer gear in one go, why should nEKO be treated any differently?

Andreas
PS: the suggestion I made for an alternate, way cooler system is of 
course a BYOMK, bring your own midi keyboard, but those are cheap as chips..
PPS: oh great, now I*VE got a major case of G.A.S. for the Kyma system. 
*sigh*.
PPPS: What ever you do, don't buy a nEKO!



mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:

Hey Kris, maybe you can help me...I'm having a severe GAS attack for one 
of these:

>><http://www.openlabs.com/products/product_info-nekoseries.htm>
>>
>>Please talk me out of it! 
>>...
>>Anyway, if I had this neKO beast, I could do it all inside there, then add my
>>synthesized big band horns AND Hammond organ keyboard sounds to it using the
>>Native Instruments' B4 program. The thought of it is making me drool. Please 
>>tell me that this thing is way overpriced and how I could build an equivalent 
>>setup way cheaper. Stop me before it's too late. Thanks!
>>
>>Mark Smart
>>http://www.marksmart.net
>>

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Yeah, that punk Rick Walker posts in lime green sometimes.  Jerk.

-J

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Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
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> *In a message dated 3/14/05 10:38:08 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:
> 
> 
>> I think people who post in colors and gray are concerned more with 
>> presenting their personal "style" than with conveying useful information.
> 
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> 
> ouch!

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At 5:09 PM -0500 3/14/05, Jesse Lucas wrote:
>Yeah, that punk Rick Walker posts in lime green sometimes.  Jerk.

Well, yeah... It's only because I have such regard for Rick that I 
was willing to go through the extra effort to make those posts 
legible (I'd sometimes have to make a copy of his messages and then 
change the color and font size).  To his credit, Rick responded to my 
request by toning down his color scheme. Now that it's all coming 
through in black Monaco, normal size I get fewer headaches.
-- 

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Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software:

There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is
independent of buffer sizes.  Among other things this is affected by
the operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount
of memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have
running.

When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing
is compensating for this inherent latency.  If the buffer size
is less than inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks".
If the buffer size is greater than inherent latency, things will run
smoothly you will just be over compensating.    The goal is to tune
your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency
without being less.

Jeff

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Except that it is difficult to "tune" your buffer size when you only
have 128, 256, 512, etc as options, and each program/application has
different thresholds for producing buffer errors.  In other words, what
do you do when 128 has no latency but you get buffer errors after 30
seconds of recording...or when 256 doesn't produce buffer errors, but
you have annoying latency? [rhetorical question]  In my experience,
changing computers and processors has made the difference, but this is a
far cry from a simple tuning....and expensive too!  The buffer error
thing here is in context of ProTools, which complicates the issue.

K-

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Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software:

There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is
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operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of
memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running.

When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing
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size is greater than inherent latency, things will run
smoothly you will just be over compensating.    The goal is to tune
your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency
without being less.

Jeff


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Mhmmm...correct me if I'm wrong, but...
The buffers are used to compensate for dynamic changes in latency. 

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Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software:

There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is
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operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of
memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running.

When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing
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than inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks". If the buffer
size is greater than inherent latency, things will run
smoothly you will just be over compensating.    The goal is to tune
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Jeff

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Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this case, a
laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure that
everything works correctly is worth an added expense?
This might also be a rhetorical question.
Gary
Hardware looper

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Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software:

There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is
independent of buffer sizes.  Among other things this is affected by the
operating system, processor speed, sound card driver, the amount of memory,
the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running.

When we set buffer sizes in an application, what we're doing is compensating
for this inherent latency.  If the buffer size is less than inherent latency
you will get "dropouts" or "clicks".
If the buffer size is greater than inherent latency, things will run
smoothly you will just be over compensating.    The goal is to tune
your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency without
being less.

Jeff



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Or at a bare minimum buying a notebook that the company has tested and
recommends with the application you plan to use. For example with
ProTools mBox, Digidesign has tested and recommends a handful of
notebooks.

Kris



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Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this
case, a
laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure
that everything works correctly is worth an added expense? This might
also be a rhetorical question. Gary Hardware looper

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Some clarifications on what "latency" means for PC audio software:

There is a certain amount of inherent latency in any computer that is
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memory, the speed of the disks, and the applications you have running.

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inherent latency you will get "dropouts" or "clicks". If the buffer size
is greater than inherent latency, things will run
smoothly you will just be over compensating.    The goal is to tune
your buffer size so it is as close as possible to inherent latency
without being less.

Jeff




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Kris Hartung wrote:
> Except that it is difficult to "tune" your buffer size when you only
> have 128, 256, 512, etc as options, and each program/application has
> different thresholds for producing buffer errors.

Right. It's really a lot more complicated than this, I just tried to come up
with a simple conceptual model (inherent latency) to explain why buffer
sizes have to be different from machine to machine, and why saying
"latency = buffer size" is not the whole picture.  Perhaps that's an
over simplification.

Another way to think of it, that's also reasonably accurate is
that with small buffer sizes the processor has to "work harder"
because it is being "called" more frequently to handle little blocks
of audio.  Faster processors will help you keep up with the demand.

I'm not saying processor speed doesn't make a difference, but the
importance tapers off after a point.  You're not going to see
any difference in latency between a 3Ghz processor and a 3.5 Ghz processor,
though you may see one between a 2Ghz and 3Ghz.    I haven't done
any measurements to find where the sweet spot is, but if you're shopping
for a brand new PC most processors should be fine.  I would probably
not get a Celeron though.

Jeff

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Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> Mhmmm...correct me if I'm wrong, but...
> The buffers are used to compensate for dynamic changes in latency. 

Yes.  Not only is there an average inherent latency, but it also
changes slightly over time as the processor becomes burdened
with other things besides responding to audio interrupts.  The
buffer size has to be larger than the highest possible latency,
not the minimum or average latency.   This is a much bigger issue
with non-ASIO drivers since there is a lot of OS code between the
sound card and the application that increases the variability.

Jeff


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Jeff Larson wrote:
I haven't done
 > any measurements to find where the sweet spot is, but if you're shopping
 > for a brand new PC most processors should be fine.  I would probably
 > not get a Celeron though.

Just for benchmarking...

I have a P4 2.4GHz PC laptop running Windows XP Pro, and with the ASIO 
drivers for my MOTU 828mkII set to a buffer size of 128 I get 2.5ms 
latency on real-time input in Sonar.

This is with several tracks of audio and MIDI playing concurrently, and 
running a live input through two or three effects (e.g. Renaissance 
Compressor -> Cakewalk Chorus -> Cakewalk Reverb).

Your mileage may vary.

-J



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Oh, and I did most of the tweaks at http://www.musicxp.net to my machine.

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dc
Adrenalinn II still available?
mp











> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:59 PM
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> Subject: Gear for sale
> 
> 
> About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a 
> pre-sale offer to the list:
> 
> TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee 
> card: $350
> Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225
> Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200
> Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185
> Boss GT-5: $275
> 
> All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc....
> Paypal preferred
> Thanks!
> dc
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Gary Lehmann wrote:
> Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this case, a
> laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure that
> everything works correctly is worth an added expense?

I personally don't think so, but it all depends on how comfortable you
are selecting hardware and making OS tweaks.    I can see why a lot
of people would pay extra to have an optimized "audio" PC, but paying
to have someone install Sonar and a bunch of VST plugins is unnecessary IMO.
Stick with major brands, avoid version 1.0, and never, ever run
Internet Explorer.

Jeff

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Do not reply or give out your info!
I'm sure most of you have an eye for these scams. 

link describing this scam:

http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/report/107


=Randy=


		
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Oh yeah, like I'm going to click on that link--that'll be the next
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> link describing this scam:
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> http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/report/107
> 
> 
> =Randy=
> 
> 
> __________________________________
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> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
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Sorry, got another taker minutes before you wrote!


On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:56 PM, Michael Plishka wrote:

> dc
> Adrenalinn II still available?
> mp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:59 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Gear for sale
>>
>>
>> About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a
>> pre-sale offer to the list:
>>
>> TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee
>> card: $350
>> Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225
>> Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200
>> Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185
>> Boss GT-5: $275
>>
>> All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc....
>> Paypal preferred
>> Thanks!
>> dc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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>At 8:24 AM -0700 3/14/05, Kris Hartung wrote:
>
>>   Is there any chance that you had the Low
>Latency Monitoring option turned on? If this operates in a different
>fashion, I'd really like to know, because whenever I select a buffer
>size over 128, the latency becomes very noticeable.
>
>Where is that setting? I haven't seen it in my version of ProTools LE.
>What do you have under Setup, Preference, and Processing?


 From the PT Reference Guide:

Low Latency Monitoring
(Digi 002 and Digi 002 Rack Only)
Digi 002 and Digi 002 Rack systems can use the
Low Latency Monitoring option to record with
an extremely small amount of monitoring latency,
to as many tracks as each system supports.
To use Low Latency Monitoring:
1 Record enable audio tracks by clicking their
Record Enable buttons. Only tracks with inputs
set to an audio interface (not a bus) use Low Latency
Monitoring.
2 From the Output Selector, assign each track to
either Output 1 or Output 2. Only tracks assigned
to these outputs use Low Latency Monitoring.
3 Select Operations > Low Latency Monitoring.
When Low Latency Monitoring is enabled, any
plug-ins and sends assigned to record-enabled
tracks (routed to Outputs 1-2) are automatically
bypassed, and must remain bypassed. Also,
these tracks will not register on meters for Master
Faders.




HTH
Edwin
-- 

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
http://www.indra.com/~edwin
http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services

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...very disappointing:

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:12 PM

Dear Krispen,

Guitar Rig cannot be used as a VST host for other plugins. 

Best regards,


Stefan Mueller

-> Stefan Mueller
-> Native Instruments GmbH      -> Schlesische Str. 28
-> D-10997 Berlin               -> Germany
-> http://www.native-instruments.com

->>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the Future of Sound! <<<<<<-
> 
> REQUEST: 4979:
> VST and GuitarRig

> DESCRIPTION:
> Hello - in your GuitarRig product literature, you say that it can be 
> used as a VST plugin in another program, such as ProTools; however, 
> can GuitarRig itself be used to run other VST plugins? For instance, 
> can I run GuitarRig as a standalone and drop other VST amps and 
> effects into the virtual rack?

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Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> Mhmmm...correct me if I'm wrong, but...
> The buffers are used to compensate for dynamic changes in latency.

>>Yes.  Not only is there an average inherent latency, but it also
changes slightly over time as the processor becomes burdened with other
things besides responding to audio interrupts. 

This makes sense. When I first used mBox and ProTools LE, every  time I
went to my other band's house to record, ProTools would get constant
buffer errors, even with high buffer settings. The source was simple. I
run a wireless network at home for all our notebook computers. My friend
doesn't have a wireless access point, so my wireless card was constantly
searching for one...that was enough to distract it and make ProTools a
lower priority....took me forever to figure that one out!!!


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i luv gettin these-they are so easy to spot i feel smarter after dumpin em
s

> Oh yeah, like I'm going to click on that link--that'll be the next
> sort of scam...
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:41:11 -0800 (PST), Randy Leifer
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>> 
>> link describing this scam:
>> 
>> http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/report/107
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On Mar 15, 2005, at 1:51, Gary Lehmann wrote:

> Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this 
> case, a
> laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make 
> sure that
> everything works correctly is worth an added expense?
> This might also be a rhetorical question.

Maybe.  But the most important strategy to buy a good audio windows pc 
is to network with people that use the software you are planning to 
use. Find out what combination of audio hardware and computer model 
(sound card, cpu, drives) that is stable and buy a replica of that 
set-up.

It's also important to know how to keep XP and your hard drives in good 
shape. The site Jesse Lucas recommended is a good read-up.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi,

Does anyone know how the EDP handles memory shortage when used in "more 
loops" mode? I'm especially interested in knowing about what happens 
when all RAM is used up and LOOP4 starts to throw out the oldest 
layers.

If I'm playing with the setting "more loops = 4", does the EDP divide 
its RAM into four unique segments where each memory segment  thrown out 
the oldest layers are to make place for more? Or is this functionality 
global?

What I'm aiming at, is if loop windowing is cross-loop? So, if I'm in 
loop 2 and trashing like crazy with loop windowing, can fragments 
originally layered into loop 1 suddenly pop up there, in loop 2?

I guess I could find out by hands-on experimenting (and I probably will 
do, since I'm working very much with the EDP at the moment) but it 
would be cool to hear a more initiated explanation. I'm not 
particularly experienced in DSP or software programming myself.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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>ProTools would get constant
>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings.

 From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
much better latency than Pro-Tools.

Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use.
It's designed for live work.


Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the dinosaurs.

andy butler 

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Just a slightly ot q
has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp
from guitarstring to speaker ?
and what about the old pneumatic churchorgans ?
Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
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2005-03-15 kl. 10.09 a k butler wrote:

> From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
> much better latency than Pro-Tools.
>

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> Just a slightly ot q
> has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp
> from guitarstring to speaker ?
> Gunnar Backman

i've never heard none
and if anyone tries and measure it...
why i'll.............................
s

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> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know how the EDP handles memory shortage when used in "more 
> loops" mode? I'm especially interested in knowing about what happens when 
> all RAM is used up and LOOP4 starts to throw out the oldest layers.
>
> If I'm playing with the setting "more loops = 4", does the EDP divide its 
> RAM into four unique segments where each memory segment  thrown out the 
> oldest layers are to make place for more? Or is this functionality global?

yes  each loop has its own ram space ---undo

> What I'm aiming at, is if loop windowing is cross-loop? So, if I'm in loop 
> 2 and trashing like crazy with loop windowing, can fragments originally 
> layered into loop 1 suddenly pop up there, in loop 2?

I can happen but would be called a bug (lot of triggers, undos,and 
windowing )
pleasant when the RAM is full of something, upleasant when you just booted 
and you read an empty RAM space  CRRRSHHHTTKKRR
you can even attaign a disfunction of the EDP where the memory is read from 
A to Z  when this happens you sit down and enjoy, you wont have that sort of 
buggy poetry in a vst plug never

these are NOT every day bugs so dont use this post to pretend the EDP is 
buggy....

B-)

Claude





> I guess I could find out by hands-on experimenting (and I probably will 
> do, since I'm working very much with the EDP at the moment) but it would 
> be cool to hear a more initiated explanation. I'm not particularly 
> experienced in DSP or software programming myself.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
>
> 

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jesse posted:
"Yeah, that punk Rick Walker posts in lime green sometimes.  Jerk."

richard replied:
"Well, yeah... It's only because I have such regard for Rick that I
was willing to go through the extra effort to make those posts
legible (I'd sometimes have to make a copy of his messages and then
change the color and font size).  To his credit, Rick responded to my
request by toning down his color scheme. Now that it's all coming
through in black Monaco, normal size I get fewer headaches."

rick quipped back:

Yeah,   a jerk with a conscience........................(who still resents 
macs with limited color options for html posting.............isn't this the 
platform
that rocks for graphics.................jeeeez!)


lol! 

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Lurker here: while I'm not building music software directly, I was the lead
developer/architect for the first six years of the Chrysler Groups websites,
then did the hosted e-commerce engine that sold music & videos and was
licensed by JCPenney, MTV, and Kmart websites for a couple of years, and now
am working at compuware on a developers tool called OptimalJ.
 
Prior to getting into programming I made my living playing Bass for a long
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Jim

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   I wonder how many people who work for software companies (or themselves)
who are actually designing looping software, plugins or other music software
there are
at Loopers Delight.
I can think of at least a half dozen.
 
Do you folks feel like outing yourselves?   It would be cool to know.
 
I endorse a lot of software, myself, and have an advisory capacity on design
for a few companies but
I'm not a realy developer.  Who are the real folks?
 
 
 
ps  Richard Zvonar and others:    can you read this posting (I know you
don't like my dayglo green background
but I hate the normal e-mail.......................color, man, if it's not
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I notice that noone seems to bug NemoGuit about his grey postings which is
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It looks very sophisticated, and at first glance I like it.
http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

Why would you conside ProTools a dinosaur? Granted, Digidesign has been
around for some time...remember the Session 8?  But new versions of PT
come out frequently.

The main reason why I use ProTools is because of mBox.  I really like
being able to plug into high quality, balanced XLR inputs (Focusrite mic
preamps) rather than a 1/8 inch mini jack and soundcard. In fact, I'd
rather avoid going to my soundcard all together.  Do you know what
hardward (USB, firewire, etc) interfaces will work with Plogue?

mBox specs:
http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox/systems/mboxspecs.cfm

Kris


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>ProTools would get constant
>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings.

 From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
much better latency than Pro-Tools.

Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use.
It's designed for live work.


Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the
dinosaurs.

andy butler 


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Plogue Bidule will work with any audio device that your OS recognizes.

I use a UA1000 USB2.0 interface with it sometimes, and it works great.  
A really powerful VST host, with a lot of flexibility.  Great MIDI 
implementation too.

Doug

Kris Hartung wrote:

>It looks very sophisticated, and at first glance I like it.
>http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
>
>Why would you conside ProTools a dinosaur? Granted, Digidesign has been
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>come out frequently.
>
>The main reason why I use ProTools is because of mBox.  I really like
>being able to plug into high quality, balanced XLR inputs (Focusrite mic
>preamps) rather than a 1/8 inch mini jack and soundcard. In fact, I'd
>rather avoid going to my soundcard all together.  Do you know what
>hardward (USB, firewire, etc) interfaces will work with Plogue?
>
>mBox specs:
>http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox/systems/mboxspecs.cfm
>
>Kris
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>>ProTools would get constant
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> From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
>much better latency than Pro-Tools.
>
>Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use.
>It's designed for live work.
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>
>Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the
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>
>andy butler 
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>> If I'm playing with the setting "more loops = 4", does the EDP divide 
>> its RAM into four unique segments where each memory segment  thrown 
>> out the oldest layers are to make place for more? Or is this 
>> functionality global?
>
On Mar 15, 2005, at 11:54, Claude Voit wrote:

> yes  each loop has its own ram space ---undo
>
>> What I'm aiming at, is if loop windowing is cross-loop? So, if I'm in 
>> loop 2 and trashing like crazy with loop windowing, can fragments 
>> originally layered into loop 1 suddenly pop up there, in loop 2?
>
> I can happen but would be called a bug (lot of triggers, undos,and 
> windowing )
> pleasant when the RAM is full of something, upleasant when you just 
> booted and you read an empty RAM space  CRRRSHHHTTKKRR
> you can even attaign a disfunction of the EDP where the memory is read 
> from A to Z  when this happens you sit down and enjoy, you wont have 
> that sort of buggy poetry in a vst plug never
>
> these are NOT every day bugs so dont use this post to pretend the EDP 
> is buggy....


Thanks, Claude. I'm very fond of these EDP bugs. They make lots of 
musical sense ;-)

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>Just a slightly ot q
>has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp
>from guitarstring to speaker ?

probably very low, its hard to create delay with analog electronics

>and what about the old pneumatic churchorgans ?

most organists prefer the even older mechanical ones, due to this
and churches have a slow accoustic and therefore slow music anyway...
(some may call it ambient ;-)


but distance speakers-ear is a heavy latency!
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I've heard old church organs played with long fast 16 , 32 notes runs 
and when hitting the last note the first is heard. for instance
  Julius Reubke: The 94th Psalm - Sonata for Organ
heavy latency , great playing
Gunnar Backman
2005-03-15 kl. 15.44  Matthias Grob wrote:

> most organists prefer the even older mechanical ones, due to this
> and churches have a slow accoustic and therefore slow music anyway...
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I've heard old church organs played with long fast 16 , 32 notes runs
and when hitting the last note the first is heard. for instance

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><x-tad-bigger>
</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily>Julius Reubke: The 94th Psalm - Sonata for
Organ

heavy latency , great playing

Gunnar Backman

2005-03-15 kl. 15.44  Matthias Grob wrote:


<excerpt>most organists prefer the even older mechanical ones, due to
this

and churches have a slow accoustic and therefore slow music anyway...

(some may call it ambient ;-)


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>> Just a slightly ot q
>> has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp
>> from guitarstring to speaker ?

On Mar 15, 2005, at 15:44, Matthias Grob wrote:
> probably very low, its hard to create delay with analog electronics

Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor 
based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact.

When touring, as an electric guitar player, I have always hated those 
stages where I have to stand too far from my amp and speaker. Never 
measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it. And when 
you know that all gear is closely mic'ed overe the PA you can't adjust 
your playing to what you hear on stage because the audience will hear 
all musicians with no latency. If it wasn't for the PA system it's easy 
to adapt to latency. Some symphonic musicians are very good at that, as 
you can hear. Thinking about those horns that reflect at the ceiling 
before heard by the audience. They have to play a little "early" to 
give the listeners the best musical experience.

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>>>Just a slightly ot q
>>>has anyone measured the latency in a all tube guitar amp
>>>from guitarstring to speaker ?
>
>On Mar 15, 2005, at 15:44, Matthias Grob wrote:
>>probably very low, its hard to create delay with analog electronics
>
>Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor 
>based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact.

so the tube amp freaks actually like latency?
do you know what time range this is in?
arent you talking about a modification in the attack rather?
filters delay some part of the frequency range, usually bass, but 
since we perceive the attack from the treble rather, this is not 
perceived like latency.

>When touring, as an electric guitar player, I have always hated 
>those stages where I have to stand too far from my amp and speaker. 
>Never measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it.

no need to measure, sound travels at 330m/s which gives you 3ms/m, 
easily worse than the computer...

>And when you know that all gear is closely mic'ed overe the PA you 
>can't adjust your playing to what you hear on stage because the 
>audience will hear all musicians with no latency. If it wasn't for 
>the PA system it's easy to adapt to latency. Some symphonic 
>musicians are very good at that, as you can hear. Thinking about 
>those horns that reflect at the ceiling before heard by the 
>audience. They have to play a little "early" to give the listeners 
>the best musical experience.

this is also due to slow development of the vibration in the horn, right?
different from latency.

I am writing an article to collect all those facts...
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On Mar 15, 2005, at 18:48, Matthias Grob wrote:
>>
>> Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor 
>> based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact.
>
> so the tube amp freaks actually like latency?

No, but that latency is so small that you only find a problem with it 
if you are used to play very close to a transistor amp rig.

> do you know what time range this is in?

No. But very, very short. I have no problem with it. I actually like 
tube amps.

>> I never measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it.
>
> no need to measure, sound travels at 330m/s which gives you 3ms/m, 
> easily worse than the computer...

So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to compare 
with, when computer latency ;-)

>
> this is also due to slow development of the vibration in the horn, 
> right?
> different from latency.

Could be, but that was not my point. I was talking about the fact that 
a live gig is PA distributed to the audience with close microphone 
placement to pick up all instruments on stage. This makes all 
instruments sound synced in the PA. Now, as a musician you easily adapt 
to play with "latency" if you have to stand ten meters away from your 
instrument amp. But if you play "a little early" to compensate for 
hearing your amp through "air latency" the audience will hear it as if 
you ware constantly playing "a little late". That's the annoying live 
problem.

A good fix for this, if you are with a band, is to use your own 
backline for monitoring. The Swedish metal band Meshuggah has developed 
a very cute system of POD pro boxes and every player is standing close 
to his monitor. By this set-up they can be assured that the audience 
will hear it as tight as they deliver.


> I am writing an article to collect all those facts...

Interesting! Will you publish it here?

Greetings from Sweden

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>> Does this mean that having a company put together a system (in this case, 
>> a
>> laptop) for your specific purpose and loading the software to make sure 
>> that
>> everything works correctly is worth an added expense?
>> This might also be a rhetorical question.
>
> Maybe.  But the most important strategy to buy a good audio windows pc is 
> to network with people that use the software you are planning to use. Find 
> out what combination of audio hardware and computer model (sound card, 
> cpu, drives) that is stable and buy a replica of that set-up.


I'd recommed the yahoo group PCDAW for anybody interested in building their 
own, or just in general DAW info.  The discussions are usually about using 
PCs for recording, but a lot of the same issues (latency, compatibility, 
stability, etc) pop up.  It's pretty much PC centric, but occasionally there 
are Mac questions.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCDAW/

Tony 

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On Mar 15, 2005, at 20:01, Per Boysen wrote:

>  But if you play "a little early" to compensate for hearing your amp 
> through "air latency" the audience will hear it as if you ware 
> constantly playing "a little late".

Sorry. The other way around, that should be. I must have been thinking 
with the wrong side of my brain ;-)

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Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how 
music would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to manufacture 
"underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones? Have someone here 
experienced this? Sound travels faster under water. How should you mix 
for underwater performance? Are different frequencies affected 
differently by the water molecules?

I was once in a team playing underwater polo and it would have been 
much more fun with music in the pool. "Scuba Disco" would suit me 
better, since I miss out completely on normal human competition 
instinct ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

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At 01:08 PM 3/15/2005, Per Boysen wrote:
>Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how music 
>would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to manufacture 
>"underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones? Have someone here experienced 
>this? Sound travels faster under water. How should you mix for underwater 
>performance? Are different frequencies affected differently by the water 
>molecules?

Actually, if I remember my (very) basic college classes in acoustic 
physics, sound travels more slowly in water than air.  I think this is due 
to the density of the medium that the sound wave is travelling 
through.  There's less dispersion, however, because the medium is more 
coherent.

What you're probably thinking of is the fact that sound can travel greater 
distances through a denser medium (if you put enough energy into getting a 
wave moving in the first place, it takes more to eventually stop it).  And 
that does carry over into your comment about how different frequencies are 
affected by water molecules.  Since lower frequencies typically 
contain/require more energy in the first place, they have a tendency to 
stay more coherent over a longer distance.  That's one reason why the Navy 
can use ELF (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate with submarines 
over distances of many, many miles.

If I were mixing an underwater performance, I think it would be difficult 
to maintain a decent amount of top end to the mix.  The bass, however, 
should really kick...

         --m.

_____
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>Actually, if I remember my (very) basic college classes in acoustic 
>physics, sound travels more slowly in water than air.  I think this is
due 
>to the density of the medium that the sound wave is travelling 
>through.  There's less dispersion, however, because the medium is more 
>coherent.

If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually
would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values
and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we
would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe
this is the case. Sound does travel faster in water, a fact you can even
notice when a thunderstorm starts while you're in the ocean (DO NOT TRY
THIS AT HOME !!!)

	Rainer

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>It looks very sophisticated, and at first glance I like it.
>http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
>
>Why would you conside ProTools a dinosaur? Granted, Digidesign has been
>around for some time...remember the Session 8?  But new versions of PT
>come out frequently.

Only because it's big and slow.
(not a problem for what it's designed for)

I tried the Pro Tools Free last year, and noticed the higher latency.
The thing I really didn't like was not being able to work with stereo files.



>The main reason why I use ProTools is because of mBox.  I really like
>being able to plug into high quality, balanced XLR inputs



>  (Focusrite mic
>preamps)

oh..................nice
those are very good

>  rather than a 1/8 inch mini jack and soundcard. In fact, I'd
>rather avoid going to my soundcard all together.  Do you know what
>hardward (USB, firewire, etc) interfaces will work with Plogue?

All the sound and midi interfaces on the pc are available to be dropped 
onto the
Plogue workspace.


>mBox specs:
>http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox/systems/mboxspecs.cfm
>
>Kris

Unless for some reason MBox is only usable from Pro Tools
it should work with Plogue

andy


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On the subject,

You may be interested in FreeWheeling,
a software looper I've been working on over the last few years.

It's really a multilooper-
lets you grab loops and put them on MIDI keys, or other controllers.
Built around live use.

Current version for Linux- runs on PC and Mac Linux with latency down to 32
samples. For the Windows/MacOS folks, take a look at the demo audio & videos:

http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net

Let's not forget the robust world of Linux audio when we look at the available
tools.

Regards,
JP Mercury

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2005-03-15 kl. 20.01  Per Boysen wrote:

> So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to=20
> compare with, when computer latency ;-)
>
You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal=20
processing (am I getting you right .)

http://www.appleclub.com.hk/macosx/features/audio/
says 1 ms
for "
  The Core Audio HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) provides ultra low=20
latency communication between applications and I/O devices that is=20
measurably more efficient than previous solutions. M-Audio reports=20
latency as low as 40 samples on Mac OS X from the company=92s audio=20
interfaces. That translates into 1ms throughput latency =97 and you get=20=

this performance in a full multi-channel environment."

Just bragging ?


I'm using an old Audiomedia III Soundcard , I think it has at least 25=20=

ms latency or somewhere around that.
and i'm not having any problems playing the Guitar Rig through that.
Gunnar Backman=

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2005-03-15 kl. 20.01  Per Boysen wrote:


<excerpt>So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what
to compare with, when computer latency ;-)


</excerpt>You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard +
internal processing (am I getting you right .)


http://www.appleclub.com.hk/macosx/features/audio/

says 1 ms=20

for "=20

<fontfamily><param>Lucida Grande</param><smaller> The Core Audio HAL
(Hardware Abstraction Layer) provides ultra low latency communication
between applications and I/O devices that is measurably more efficient
than previous solutions.
<color><param>0000,0000,EEEE</param>M-Audio</color> reports latency as
low as 40 samples on Mac OS X from the company=92s audio interfaces.
That translates into 1ms throughput latency =97 and you get this
performance in a full multi-channel environment."

</smaller></fontfamily>

Just bragging ?



I'm using an old Audiomedia III Soundcard , I think it has at least 25
ms latency or somewhere around that.

and i'm not having any problems playing the Guitar Rig through that.=20

Gunnar Backman=

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Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually
> would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values
> and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we
> would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe
> this is the case.

In space there is no medium for sound to travel through.  See the tag 
line to the film "Alien."




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Dear Loopers,

sorry for this extremelyofftopicpost but...

My Finalizer just died. From my basic understanding of EE, it's the
power supply. This is obviously a switching power supply which delievers
too low a voltage at its output (inside of the Finalizer) and sometimes
makes a high-pitched whining sound (non-modulated).

Anyone has experience with TC power supplies or which such devices in
general and could point me in the right direction. Capacitance?
Inductance? 

Replies off-list please!

Thanks for your patience,

	Rainer

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And to keep this thread on topic: when looping
underwater in the southern hemisphere one must bear in
mind the Coriolis Effect, particularly if your rig
includes a Vortex.

<http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html>

It can also require a different wet/dry mix than most
of us are used to... :P

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This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml

Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to 
propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at 
different speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by 
the density and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of 
material in a given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted 
could a substance become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower 
the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, 
the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air. The 
speed of sound can also be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to 
travel faster at higher temperatures. I have found different values for 
the speed of sound in water in different sources. They range from 1450 
to 1498 meters per second (m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea 
water at room temperatures (20 to 25 °C).

The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation...

/v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2

Where...

    /v/ is the speed of sound,
    /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and
    ρ (rho) is the density.

The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is 
the relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how 
much an increase in pressure would decrease the volume.

Nicky Du -- 2000



Jesse Lucas wrote:

> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>
>> If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually
>> would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values
>> and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we
>> would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe
>> this is the case.
>
>
> In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag 
> line to the film "Alien."
>
>
>
>
>

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> 2005-03-15 kl. 20.01  Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to 
>> compare with, when computer latency ;-)

On Mar 15, 2005, at 22:06, Gunnar Backman wrote:
> You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal 
> processing (am I getting you right .)

Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all 
three types of latency:
1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion)
2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data)
3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to 
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I'm just estimating on the fly, based on figures I have got from other 
people that have measured DAW latency.

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Alright, since we're on a science mindfuck trip here on LD...

Here's something I've pondered:

Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension.  How 
would a four-dimensional being perceive music?

By "four-dimensional being" I mean an intelligence which can move back 
and forth through time as well as space as naturally as humans move 
through three-dimensional space.  Also, imagine they could "see" time in 
the same foreshortening way we little humans perceive three-dimensional 
space.

Humans perceive time in a relatively linear way.  Your sense of time 
might slow down when you are hyped up on adrenaline, or change based on 
your blood sugar, or the ambient temperature, but you're always trudging 
forward through time.

So, if you could *see* time and walk around it like you walk around a 
statue in a museum, what music would be cool to *look* at.

-J

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On Mar 15, 2005, at 22:23, Tim Nelson wrote:

> And to keep this thread on topic: when looping
> underwater in the southern hemisphere one must bear in
> mind the Coriolis Effect, particularly if your rig
> includes a Vortex.
>
> <http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html>
>
> It can also require a different wet/dry mix than most
> of us are used to... :P
>
> -t-


You know how to put a joke! My neighbors must be wondering what keeps 
me laughing this much at midnight!!!!  ;-D)

Greetings from Sweden

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On Mar 15, 2005, at 23:23, Jesse Lucas wrote:

> So, if you could *see* time and walk around it like you walk around a 
> statue in a museum, what music would be cool to *look* at.

I guess any time-less hit that has been remixed with a healthy amount 
of negative latency.

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2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote:

>> You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal 
>> processing (am I getting you right .)
>
> Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all 
> three types of latency:
> 1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion)
> 2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data)
> 3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to 
> drive speakers etc, DA conversion)
>
Ok sounds reasonable enough .
another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware 
loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my 
knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88
line  6 pod etc.
anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ???
Gunnar Backman
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2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote:


<excerpt><excerpt>You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard +
internal processing (am I getting you right .)

</excerpt>

Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all
three types of latency:

1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion)

2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data)

3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to
drive speakers etc, DA conversion)


</excerpt>Ok sounds reasonable enough .

another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware
loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA <smaller>(at least to
my knowledge)</smaller> and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88

line  6 pod etc.  

anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ???

Gunnar Backman

Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics

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Which just goes to show how much water's lack of compressibility get's made up
for by density in ending up four times faster..

looping in four-D would see repeated patterns moving outward or along, a ripple
within a ripple.  Some of MEdia Players moving energy pattern visualizations
are pseudo 4-D.

~peace~

Michael


www.michaelplishka.com

Quoting Doug Cox <dougcox@pdq.net>:

> This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml
>
> Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to
> propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at
> different speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by
> the density and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of
> material in a given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted
> could a substance become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower
> the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore,
> the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air. The
> speed of sound can also be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to
> travel faster at higher temperatures. I have found different values for
> the speed of sound in water in different sources. They range from 1450
> to 1498 meters per second (m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea
> water at room temperatures (20 to 25 °C).
>
> The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation...
>
> /v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2
>
> Where...
>
>     /v/ is the speed of sound,
>     /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and
>     ρ (rho) is the density.
>
> The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is
> the relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how
> much an increase in pressure would decrease the volume.
>
> Nicky Du -- 2000
>
>
>
> Jesse Lucas wrote:
>
> > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> >
> >> If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually
> >> would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values
> >> and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we
> >> would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe
> >> this is the case.
> >
> >
> > In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag
> > line to the film "Alien."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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The way sound travels in different phases (solid, liquid, gaseous) is actually rather different on a half-macroscopic scale (i.e. while the laws how atoms and subatomic particles interact are believed to be the same and the equations for speed of sound calculated from density and compressibility (or rather its different definitions) look the same, the process or how it is explaind differs on the scale "in between".

If you look at the equations on a macroscopic scale, they all look like c = SQRT(K/rho) with K a constant (actually a 2nd order tensor, a modulus). In the case of gases, K= chi*p with chi the isentropic exponent (a constant) and p the pressure. Substituting with the definition of the density in gases, rho = p/RT (R the Reynolds number, T the Kelvin temperature), we get c=SQRT(chi*R*T), and voil�Ħ - the speed of sound in air is independent from the pressure. The pitfall? This equation is only valid up to a certain amount for the avg. free length of path (don't remember how this was defined - I came from the condensed matter area).
Thinking about it, I don't see the logical explanation that sound travels faster in water than in air. There are different mechanisms involved. And if we'd breathe argon and bathe in quicksilver, things would be different ;).

Elasticity is not the same as compressibility. The short explanation: elasticity describes changes if you apply force in one direction (like pulling on a string), while compressibility is if you push from all sides simultaneously.

	Rainer

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This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml

Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to 
propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at 
different speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by 
the density and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of 
material in a given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted 
could a substance become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower 
the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, 
the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air. The 
speed of sound can also be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to 
travel faster at higher temperatures. I have found different values for 
the speed of sound in water in different sources. They range from 1450 
to 1498 meters per second (m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea 
water at room temperatures (20 to 25 °C).

The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation...

/v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2

Where...

    /v/ is the speed of sound,
    /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and
    ρ (rho) is the density.

The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is 
the relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how 
much an increase in pressure would decrease the volume.

Nicky Du -- 2000



Jesse Lucas wrote:

> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>
>> If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we 
>> usually would test any theories we might have by bringing them to 
>> extreme values and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed 
>> of sound, then we would have sound travelling at infinite speed in 
>> vacuum. I don't believe this is the case.
>
>
> In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag
> line to the film "Alien."
>
>
>
>
>

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Looping music would look like a long road with a series of nearly
identical houses ;)

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Alright, since we're on a science mindfuck trip here on LD...

Here's something I've pondered:

Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension.  How 
would a four-dimensional being perceive music?

By "four-dimensional being" I mean an intelligence which can move back 
and forth through time as well as space as naturally as humans move 
through three-dimensional space.  Also, imagine they could "see" time in

the same foreshortening way we little humans perceive three-dimensional 
space.

Humans perceive time in a relatively linear way.  Your sense of time 
might slow down when you are hyped up on adrenaline, or change based on 
your blood sugar, or the ambient temperature, but you're always trudging

forward through time.

So, if you could *see* time and walk around it like you walk around a 
statue in a museum, what music would be cool to *look* at.

-J

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Frippertronics does not depend on software and AD/DA

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2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote:


You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal processing
(am I getting you right .)


Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all
three types of latency:
1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion)
2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data)
3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to drive
speakers etc, DA conversion)


Ok sounds reasonable enough .
another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware
loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my
knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88
line 6 pod etc. 
anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ???
Gunnar Backman
Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
E-mail brakophonic@telia.com
http://www.brakophonic.com

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Thanks Doug.  Sounds as if I'm misremembering some of my class notes.

I'll go through and work some sample equations to confirm.  However, 
there's one quoted passage that just reads wrong to me: "The denser and the 
lower the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would travel. 
Therefore, the speed of sound is about four times faster in water than in air."

Does that read weird to anybody else (like he's contradicting himself), or 
is it just me...?

         --m.



At 03:17 PM 3/15/2005, Doug Cox wrote:
>This can be found here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/NickyDu.shtml
>
>Sound is a type of longitudinal, mechanical wave. They need a medium to 
>propagate and will not travel through a vacuum. Sound travels at different 
>speed in different media. The speed of sound is determined by the density 
>and compressibility of the medium. Density is the amount of material in a 
>given volume, and compressibility is the how compacted could a substance 
>become for a given pressure. The denser and the lower the compressibility, 
>the slower the sound waves would travel. Therefore, the speed of sound is 
>about four times faster in water than in air. The speed of sound can also 
>be affected by temperature. Sound waves tend to travel faster at higher 
>temperatures. I have found different values for the speed of sound in 
>water in different sources. They range from 1450 to 1498 meters per second 
>(m/s) in distilled water and 1531 m/s in sea water at room temperatures 
>(20 to 25 °C).
>
>The speed of sound in a medium can be determined by the equation...
>
>/v/ = (/B//ρ)^1/2
>
>Where...
>
>    /v/ is the speed of sound,
>    /B/ is the bulk modulus of elasticity, and
>    ρ (rho) is the density.
>
>The bulk modulus of elasticity, also known as the compressibility, is the 
>relationship between pressure and volume. It is a measure of how much an 
>increase in pressure would decrease the volume.
>
>Nicky Du -- 2000
>
>
>
>Jesse Lucas wrote:
>
>>Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>>
>>>If I remember my (very) basic university classes in physics, we usually
>>>would test any theories we might have by bringing them to extreme values
>>>and see what happens. If lower density = lower speed of sound, then we
>>>would have sound travelling at infinite speed in vacuum. I don't believe
>>>this is the case.
>>
>>
>>In space there is no medium for sound to travel through. See the tag line 
>>to the film "Alien."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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On Mar 15, 2005, at 23:33, Gunnar Backman wrote:

>
> 2005-03-15 kl. 23.17 Per Boysen wrote:
>
>>> You mean 18-27 ms latency for an average soundcard + internal 
>>> processing (am I getting you right .)
>>
>> Yes. Because if we're talking live playing you have to deal with all 
>> three types of latency:
>> 1) input latency (analog audio digitized, AD conversion)
>> 2) processing latency (software recalculating digital audio data)
>> 3) output latency (digital audio transformed into analog signal to 
>> drive speakers etc, DA conversion)
>>
> Ok sounds reasonable enough .
> another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware 
> loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my 
> knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88
> line  6 pod etc.
> anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ???


If my memory serves me well, Kim once said the EDP has  or 4 ms.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
---
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http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
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Per Boysen wrote:
> If my memory serves me well, Kim once said the EDP has  or 4 ms.

Hmm...I don't know about any A/D->D/A conversion latency, but the 
control latency is about 1.5ms according to Kim.  The length of time it 
takes to run through the software loop checking for input.

-J

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David -

It's interesting to see your items of gear.  I have a similar list.  Not
that it's my business, but are you packing it in on the effects front,
or...?

> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net]
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:59 PM
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Subject: Gear for sale
> >>
> >>
> >> About to post the following underutilized items on ebay, here's a
> >> pre-sale offer to the list:
> >>
> >> TC Electronics D2 10-sec. delay, un-used, still in box with warrantee
> >> card: $350
> >> Korg DL8000R 10-sec. delay w/ Korg foot-switch : $225
> >> Korg AM8000R multi-FX: $200
> >> Adrenalinn I upgraded to II: $185
> >> Boss GT-5: $275
> >>
> >> All are working and clean, have complete manuals, etc....
> >> Paypal preferred
> >> Thanks!
> >> dc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Hardly...just tripping over gear and needing some cash. Keeping my 2nd 
AM8000, btw (it's patched directly into the EDP's out, after a little 
Alesis Ampliton panner), and hoping to hang onto my Eclipse and KSP8 
for a bit longer!
Frankly, Reaktor is such a trip as an FX processor that it's my main 
squeeze for mayhem these days, and I'm currently playing more acoustic 
guitar and soft-synths than electric and VG-8, anyhoo; the circle goes 
round and round....Thanks fer askin!
dc

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> David -
>
> It's interesting to see your items of gear.  I have a similar list.  
> Not
> that it's my business, but are you packing it in on the effects front,
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>Thanks Doug.  Sounds as if I'm misremembering some of my class notes.
>
>I'll go through and work some sample equations to confirm.  However, 
>there's one quoted passage that just reads wrong to me: "The denser 
>and the lower the compressibility, the slower the sound waves would 
>travel. Therefore, the speed of sound is about four times faster in 
>water than in air."
>
>Does that read weird to anybody else (like he's contradicting 
>himself), or is it just me...?
>

I felt the same when I read it: water is denser and less compressible 
than air, but 4 times faster as google confirmed...


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>At 01:08 PM 3/15/2005, Per Boysen wrote:
>>Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how 
>>music would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to 
>>manufacture "underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones?

In my home town, they have underwater music in the public swimming pool.

>>Have someone here experienced this? Sound travels faster under 
>>water. How should you mix for underwater performance? Are different 
>>frequencies affected differently by the water molecules?

I remember it sounds amazingly linear and dry


>...Since lower frequencies typically contain/require more energy in 
>the first place, they have a tendency to stay more coherent over a 
>longer distance.  That's one reason why the Navy can use ELF 
>(extremely long frequency) waves to communicate with submarines over 
>distances of many, many miles.

and why create those huge whales such a high pitch sound to call?


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>another issue that i'm interested in, is the latency in " hardware 
>loopers "they all depend on software and AD-DA (at least to my 
>knowledge) and also the guitar/ampsim like the VG-88
>line  6 pod etc.
>anyone got some clue to what latency you'd expect ???
>Gunnar Backman
>Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics
>E-mail  brakophonic@telia.com
>http://www.brakophonic.com

I only know about the EDP but most processors work similar:
the converter has buffers of 16 samples and the processor treats 
(like any DSP) sample by sample, so it only adds about 2 samples, 
maybe some more in other machines due to filter calculations.
44 samples would be 1ms...
This is for the loop path, the dry path is analog.

thats why you did not hear the word latency before the computers came...

I doubt Kim ever said 4ms
but 1.5ms command cycle is correct. Usually it takes less than a 
cycle to react  to a command, in the worst case a little more.
And it takes about another cycle to send out a MIDI command.
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<div>I wrote this a while ago and did not quite finish it, but before
I type it all again in separate mails, enjoy the package:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br>
There are all kinds of delays that happen with sound and different
effects on players and listeners:<br>
</div>
<div>-<b> sound travels in air at 330meters/second</b>, so there is a
delay from the instrument to the ear or in case of electric music from
the instrument to the microphone and from the speaker to the ear. the
violin player hears his instrument with less than a millisecond (ms)
latency, but the percussion player at the other side arrives up to
30ms late.</div>
<div>At an ordinary distance of 3m from a monitor the electric
musician gets 10ms. These problems are old and mostly solved, but they
are important as a reference to the newer ones.</div>
<div>-<b> analog electronics</b> can create some delays for some
frequencies in filters, but since the first signal that comes through
forms the attack, it is heard immediately.</div>
<div>-<b> DSP machines</b> treat sound by the sample, so the only
latency happens in their AD/DA converters, usually less than
1ms.</div>
<div>-<b> Computers</b> treat sound in packages, so they have buffers
at their inputs and outputs to write to and read from, while a
complete package is in the processor. This delay is usually meant when
we speak of<b> latency</b>.</div>
<div>It depends on how much we ask from the computer, because a
shorter delay means smaller packages so the processor has to treat
more of them so it stands less processing on each - you can use less
channels or plugins.<br>
A usual setting of 128 samples at input and output results in<br>
2*128/44100 = 5,8 ms</div>
<div>-<b> digital communication</b> also happens in packages and may
create a audible delay, depending on protocol. FW interfaces are very
good at that, USB depends on mostly on the driver, but built in audio
ports are often not sufficient (up to 250ms).</div>
<div>- even analog machines may take a while to<b> analyse the
sound</b> before they know how to treat it, so the effect is late -
which does not necessarily mean that the sound itself is delayed.
Examples are Guitar2MIDI, pitch shifters, compressors (pumping or
preview delay).</div>
<div><br>
Now, what is the problem for whom:<br>
- For the listener in a big festival its strange to<b> see the
musician strike and hear the bang later</b>. this could be fixed by
putting speakers in the back, but (due to next point) usually those
back speakers are delayed just as the sound travel would be, so we
don't fix this problem at all and nobody complains.<br>
- Critical ears hear ugly filter effects if two different delays of
the same signal are mixed. This happens when:<br>
&nbsp;-- the listener of a<b> mono signal over a stereo system</b>
does not sit exactly in the center. Worse if the listener or the
speaker move.<br>
&nbsp;-- the tech runs a signal into one mixer channel and<b> parallel
through a processor</b> into another channel and mixes them at similar
volume<br>
&nbsp;--<b> two microphones</b> pick up the same sound source at
similar volume and direction but different or even changing
distances<br>
- For musicians its hardly possible to<b> play together sitting on
opposite ends</b> of a concert hall or playing over internet. it only
works if they create very slow or very disorganized music or adapt the
rhythm to the delay and play with it.<br>
-<b> For musicians using machines its complex and personal</b>.<br>
It can become hard to operate the equipment if there is a delay
between switch press and its effect on the sound. This is not related
to the latency of the audio tracks, but usually due to MIDI speed or
computer drivers. A program change command delayed by 100ms is hardly
a problem, but for a note trigger the same rules apply as for the
audio latency - which is what the rest of this article is about:<br>
<br>
Since the delay exists anyway in the air, the<b> brain</b> does have a
mechanism to work with it, and we can improve it with training. So the
answer to someone who says that he cannot play with a machines latency
can be: &quot;learn it&quot;.<br>
If the musician is used to the latency of the monitor distance and
then changes to a recent computer with headphones, he should not have
a problem since its in the same range.</div>
<div>If he goes on with the same monitor, he can deal with it by
getting used if the latency is not too big.<br>
<br>
How much is too much?<br>
Up to 3 ms should never be a problem because we are used to it. Above,
it depends:<br>
If the sound has<b> slow attack</b>, even 100ms is no problem.<br>
Slow<b> spheric music</b> is much less critical than quick<b> complex
rhythms</b>.<br>
A<b> constant delay</b> is less annoying than a changing one (in
guitar2MIDI it depends on sound and note)</div>
<div>When a direct and a delayed sound is<b> mixed</b>, the effect can
be beautiful or annoying. Its certainly easier for the musician to
play because he hears his playing immediately. If the second sound is
similar and only a few ms delayed, it creates a filter, usually ugly.
If the second sound is delayed by 10...50ms, it seems ritcher. Above,
it turns into a echo and then into a rhythmic element which has to fit
into the composition.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>As long as the computer is only used for recording or loops or
reverb, its latency can be<b> compensated</b> completely - which has
to be done carefully.</div>
<div><br>
Easily we get twice the computers latency because of inserting an
(analog) effect box into the signal chain. This turns the switch to
the computer especially hard for the musician:</div>
<div>To use a preamplifiers before the computer and effects between
the computer and the speaker does not add delay, but a CryBaby after
the distortion plugin does, because this requires another conversion
into analog, and back again to digital. So the musician has to<b> move
all equipment at once</b> into the computer. (I did not manage so far,
but I keep working on it! :-)</div>
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>On Mar 15, 2005, at 18:48, Matthias Grob wrote:
>>>
>>>Latency is actually longer with tube amps than with the transistor 
>>>based amps. Among metal guitarists this is an well known fact.
>>
>>so the tube amp freaks actually like latency?
>
>No, but that latency is so small that you only find a problem with 
>it if you are used to play very close to a transistor amp rig.

so that would be a reason to use transistor amps? never heard...
well, I did hear guitar players talking about the time the electrons 
take to fly throug the tube, but thats very romantic engineering...

if there is an aditional delay, its in the final transformer, I 
suppose, so you would have the same in old transistor amps...

>>do you know what time range this is in?
>
>No. But very, very short. I have no problem with it. I actually like 
>tube amps.

see, thats what I said: very very short, not an issue :-)
another tube anectote... a mistery... they have cold SMD tubes to 
build into the guitars now... and still the sound becomes warm... LOL!

>>>I never measured the latency of air but you can definitely feel it.
>>
>>no need to measure, sound travels at 330m/s which gives you 3ms/m, 
>>easily worse than the computer...
>
>So standing six to nine meters from your amp/speaker is what to 
>compare with, when computer latency ;-)
>
>>this is also due to slow development of the vibration in the horn, right?
>>different from latency.
>
>Could be, but that was not my point. I was talking about the fact 
>that a live gig is PA distributed to the audience with close 
>microphone placement to pick up all instruments on stage. This makes 
>all instruments sound synced in the PA. Now, as a musician you 
>easily adapt to play with "latency" if you have to stand ten meters 
>away from your instrument amp. But if you play "a little early" to 
>compensate for hearing your amp through "air latency" the audience 
>will hear it as if you ware constantly playing "a little late". 
>That's the annoying live problem.

that problem would be very simple to fix with little delays at the mixing desk.
did you really experience it?

>A good fix for this, if you are with a band, is to use your own 
>backline for monitoring. The Swedish metal band Meshuggah has 
>developed a very cute system of POD pro boxes and every player is 
>standing close to his monitor. By this set-up they can be assured 
>that the audience will hear it as tight as they deliver.

so they have the complete mix in their monitors?
they hear the drum hit out of the monitor before it comes through the 
air from the drummer?
amazing...

In ear monitoring seems to be the most acurate. I use ordinary big 
headphones on stage with Giba. And when we go off we take them off :-)

>>I am writing an article to collect all those facts...
>
>Interesting! Will you publish it here?

I just did :-)

>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
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On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:55, Matthias Grob wrote:

> I doubt Kim ever said 4ms
> but 1.5ms command cycle is correct. Usually it takes less than a cycle 
> to react  to a command, in the worst case a little more.
> And it takes about another cycle to send out a MIDI command.

Thanks for the correction. As I said, I wasn't sure I remembered it 
right... obviously I wasn't.

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On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:38, Matthias Grob wrote:

> In ear monitoring seems to be the most acurate. I use ordinary big 
> headphones on stage with Giba.

I guess a point in doing that is also to soften the loud acoustic, 
on-stage, impact of Giba's percussion?


> And when we go off we take them off :-)

You mean you don't walk over to the bar with headphones still on?  ;-)


A funny note on "latency":
When talking to studio engineers I have heard that some bands with a 
long experience of playing out live, can have problems with playing in 
the studio with headphones monitoring. They have simply grown 
comfortable with the natural latency in hearing each other's instrument 
acoustically, and "getting it all into your head" gives a different 
feel to how you play your own part against the other musicians parts.

Greetings from Sweden

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>> ...Since lower frequencies typically contain/require more energy in 
>> the first place, they have a tendency to stay more coherent over a 
>> longer distance.  That's one reason why the Navy can use ELF 
>> (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate with submarines over 
>> distances of many, many miles.

On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:43, Matthias Grob wrote:
> and why create those huge whales such a high pitch sound to call?

Yeah, that's an interesting question that has been in my mind since I 
was a kid and heard dolphins for the first time. Maybe they use this 
for "short distance calls"? When I was scuba diving in the Red Sea a 
"fish expert" told me that sharks (as most fish BTW) can "hear" with 
their body. Along the left and right side lines they have receptors 
that can measure water waves (known to us as "sound"). Especially 
sharks are very talented in hearing those low frequencies that are 
created by a fish fighting or splashing by the water surface (don't 
swim like a damaged fish, if you don't want to call for sharks;-)

Maybe all fishes "hear" also much lower frequencies (like 1 - 2 Hz?) 
with their body lines. I guess the sea should be a pretty noisy place 
for a fish, if that's true, so maybe some sea animals keep their 
communication in that higher pitch only to stay free from that terrible 
noise floor?

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For Matthias  :-)

All we need to do is make a device which produces a kick drum sound when 
the footswitch is pressed, but with a latency that can be set by the user.
Then  by playing, and tapping a kick rhythm at the same time we could train 
the foot to tap slightly early all the time.
For controller latency problems, and to guarantee that the attack of the 
first note in the loop isn't a slight fade in.

andy butler 

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  Actually sound affets the whole body,so humans can perceive sound with 
their skins as well. There is simeone who gives concerts where the audience 
is in the pool,with the speakers.When I lived in Hawaii,the 
nuerophysiologist , and dolphin researcher Dr.Micahel Hyson was planning a 
program to place hydrophones in the water to  set up communicationlinks 
between wild and captive dolphins.We had great plans to play music in the 
pool. We did experiment with playing water music.I found out that in the 
Senagal ,Gambia  women,when preparing for a big feast take their calabash 
bolws into the river and play tunes on thmeas they float up side down.An old 
tradition apparently.


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> Excuse me for this crazy topic, but I can't stop thinking about how
> music would sound under water? Wouldn't it be possible to manufacture
> "underwater loudspeakers" with rubber cones?


this has long been done. My favorite computer music composer, Michel
Redolfi, is most famous for his underwater concerts and installations. See
http://www.redolfi-music.com/index_e.htm


Michael
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> humans can perceive sound with their skins as well.
> There is simeone who gives concerts where


Please go and watch "Touch the Sound" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424509/

Bernhard
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> From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 16. März 2005 10:16
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>   Actually sound affets the whole body,so humans can perceive sound with
> their skins as well. There is simeone who gives concerts where
> the audience
> is in the pool,with the speakers.When I lived in Hawaii,the
> nuerophysiologist , and dolphin researcher Dr.Micahel Hyson was
> planning a
> program to place hydrophones in the water to  set up communicationlinks
> between wild and captive dolphins.We had great plans to play music in the
> pool. We did experiment with playing water music.I found out that in the
> Senagal ,Gambia  women,when preparing for a big feast take their calabash
> bolws into the river and play tunes on thmeas they float up side
> down.An old
> tradition apparently.
>
>

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I mentioned not too long ago that I had started doing
some looping a few years ago with a Boomerang pedal,
but fell away from it and sold it.  Now I'm trying to
get back into it, and I'm trying to wrap my mind
around bigger concepts.  

The areas that really kind of befuddle me are the
replace / insert / substitute type functions.  I'm
having a hard time getting away from the basic
functions (record / overdub / multiply / reverse) so I
kind of end up with the traditional "loop" sound
(short phrase over and over).  I want to bring more
variety and interest into it.   

Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they
wouldn't mind sharing?  (Probably a silly question - I
believe it was Nick Mason of Pink Floyd who said
something like musicians are basically grown men with
the insatiable desire to show off...)  I'm not looking
to rip off ideas, just want to hear how other folks
use the tools at hand.

I've listened to some of Andre LaFosse's stuff
recently and can't even comprehend what he's doing
with a guitar to make those sounds.  =)  

But beyond that, I just want to expand my knowledge
and capabilities with my looper (SooperLooper
specifically, but based on the EDP).  

Thanks!


		
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Eclectic Blah

REVERSE ENGINEERING

An interactive remix session based on and performed by the Eclectic Blah
concept design by Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill -
www.moinlabs.de

Live Artists:
	Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Moinsound) - whimsical
electronics
	Luke Cyrus Götze (Cyrus & Traherne) - guitar, turntables, loops
	Lene Toje (Sanagi) - vocals, effects

Recycled Artists:
	Luke Cyrus, Filzinho, XO Gruber, Christian Klos, Jan Kühner, The
Viking Müller, Wolfi Schlickhorn, rtbs, Jack Traherne, Phonky Phrance
Wechtenbruch, Thomas Würdinger

Support:
	Silikon - www.silikon-musik.de
	Sanagi - www.sanagi.co.uk


Wednesday, 23rd of March 2005
Salon Erna - www.salonerna.de
München, Optimolwerke, Friedenstraße 10

Doors 20h, begin 21h
No cover charge!

---

This is a new concept in my freely improvised dance music (or improvised
booty-funk jazzotronics) project "Eclectic Blah". Sound clips from our
various concerts are reassembled and weirdified using Ableton Live!,
various plugins and interactively enhanced using turntables, guitar,
keyboards, drum machine and singing voice. Looping content: apart from
the use of Live! as a pseudo-looper, each musician brings his DL4...

If any of you could make it to the gig (if you're in the southern
Bavarian area, I'd suggest you do - Sanagi are a real treat!), remember
to say hello! I'm the guy with long hair and the Eighties' clothing.

See you there,

	Rainer

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Whales use a high pitch because, while not "going the
distance," they can get a higher resolution of SONAR
than they could if they use a lower freq sound with a
long wavelength.

--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
> >> ...Since lower frequencies typically
> contain/require more energy in 
> >> the first place, they have a tendency to stay
> more coherent over a 
> >> longer distance.  That's one reason why the Navy
> can use ELF 
> >> (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate
> with submarines over 
> >> distances of many, many miles.
> 
> On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:43, Matthias Grob wrote:
> > and why create those huge whales such a high pitch
> sound to call?
> 
> Yeah, that's an interesting question that has been
> in my mind since I 
> was a kid and heard dolphins for the first time.
> Maybe they use this 
> for "short distance calls"? When I was scuba diving
> in the Red Sea a 
> "fish expert" told me that sharks (as most fish BTW)
> can "hear" with 
> their body. Along the left and right side lines they
> have receptors 
> that can measure water waves (known to us as
> "sound"). Especially 
> sharks are very talented in hearing those low
> frequencies that are 
> created by a fish fighting or splashing by the water
> surface (don't 
> swim like a damaged fish, if you don't want to call
> for sharks;-)
> 
> Maybe all fishes "hear" also much lower frequencies
> (like 1 - 2 Hz?) 
> with their body lines. I guess the sea should be a
> pretty noisy place 
> for a fish, if that's true, so maybe some sea
> animals keep their 
> communication in that higher pitch only to stay free
> from that terrible 
> noise floor?
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> 
> 
> 

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Whales have the ability to communicate over extremely long distances,
perhaps hundreds of miles, underwater via low frequencies. Ocean floor
topography, thermoclines, and currents facilitate communication much
farther that previously thought. However, due to the industrial age and
mechanized shipping, there is now so much low frequency noise throughout
the world's oceans that a large portion of whales' long distance
communication has been eliminated forever.

Griff Peters
www.griffpeters.com


-----Original Message-----
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Whales use a high pitch because, while not "going the
distance," they can get a higher resolution of SONAR
than they could if they use a lower freq sound with a
long wavelength.

--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
> >> ...Since lower frequencies typically
> contain/require more energy in 
> >> the first place, they have a tendency to stay
> more coherent over a 
> >> longer distance.  That's one reason why the Navy
> can use ELF 
> >> (extremely long frequency) waves to communicate
> with submarines over 
> >> distances of many, many miles.
> 
> On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:43, Matthias Grob wrote:
> > and why create those huge whales such a high pitch
> sound to call?
> 
> Yeah, that's an interesting question that has been
> in my mind since I 
> was a kid and heard dolphins for the first time.
> Maybe they use this 
> for "short distance calls"? When I was scuba diving
> in the Red Sea a 
> "fish expert" told me that sharks (as most fish BTW)
> can "hear" with 
> their body. Along the left and right side lines they
> have receptors 
> that can measure water waves (known to us as
> "sound"). Especially 
> sharks are very talented in hearing those low
> frequencies that are 
> created by a fish fighting or splashing by the water
> surface (don't 
> swim like a damaged fish, if you don't want to call
> for sharks;-)
> 
> Maybe all fishes "hear" also much lower frequencies
> (like 1 - 2 Hz?) 
> with their body lines. I guess the sea should be a
> pretty noisy place 
> for a fish, if that's true, so maybe some sea
> animals keep their 
> communication in that higher pitch only to stay free
> from that terrible 
> noise floor?
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> 
> 
> 

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Blue  Whales  sing in frq ranges  below human hearing and communicate over 
vast distances."Blue whales emit very loud, highly structured, repetitive 
low-frequency sounds that can travel form many miles underwater. They are 
probably the loudest animals alive, louder than a jet engine"

Nat Geo story on Fin whale songs-around 20 hz
"Each note in the song lasts only a second and sounds like a "gentle burp," 
said Clark. Then there is a 14-second pause before the fin whale hits the 
next note. The entire song lasts about eight to ten minutes. Only when the 
composition is played at about 60 times its actual speed is the rhythm and 
pitch variation apparent. Blue whale songs can last up to twenty minutes 
with a two-minute interval between notes." 
<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/06/0619_020619_TVwhale.html>


fish tapes inc. freq ranges 
http://www.fishecology.org/soniferous/soundposter.htm


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In a message dated 3/16/05 8:14:47 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


> Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they
> wouldn't mind sharing?=A0
>=20

mike.....give this a try www.ct-collective.com

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>The areas that really kind of befuddle me are the
>replace / insert / substitute type functions.  I'm
>having a hard time getting away from the basic
>functions (record / overdub / multiply / reverse) so I
>kind of end up with the traditional "loop" sound
>(short phrase over and over).  I want to bring more
>variety and interest into it.

try a Feedback pedal!

>Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they
>wouldn't mind sharing?  (Probably a silly question - I

this confirms what I have been talking about for years:
the hardest to find on LD is the music
someone (musician, agent, producer, journalist, listener...) 
interested in what we do needs a page of sound samples and links to 
capable musicians to get a picture quickly.
nicer even if organized by style/technique so he gets the size of the 
picture quicker.

LiveLooping.org was meant to be this, but the people who showed 
interest do create it did not start (probably my fault...)

so?

here is my contribution: http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm

I finally included some links to 2003 where a lot of good stuff 
happens, so I may never finish to edit it, so enjoy what I have so 
far!

-- 


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Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites?


> 
> this confirms what I have been talking about for years:
> the hardest to find on LD is the music
> someone (musician, agent, producer, journalist, listener...)
> interested in what we do needs a page of sound samples and links to
> capable musicians to get a picture quickly.
> nicer even if organized by style/technique so he gets the size of the
> picture quicker.
> 
> LiveLooping.org was meant to be this, but the people who showed
> interest do create it did not start (probably my fault...)
> 
> so?
> 
> here is my contribution: http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm
> 
> I finally included some links to 2003 where a lot of good stuff
> happens, so I may never finish to edit it, so enjoy what I have so
> far!
> 
> --
> 
>

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On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
> Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites?

no way dude. people can steal those.

the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people 
from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you 
pay the most amount possible for server space.

get with it, man!!
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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>the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people 
>from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you 
>pay the most amount possible for server space.

Does this work the same way like some websites which keep you from
simply right-clicking and saving images, so you have to copy the files
manually from your internet cache? ;-)

Thank you for again explaining something in a way that forces me to
laugh my ass off (I vividly remember your primer for plugin interface
design).

	Rainer

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I don't remember the exact model number, but I owned a Behringer mixer=20=

that fits the description on the website about a year ago. I returned=20
it after a few days.

I found the eq's lacking, and the onboard fx unusable - even given the=20=

mixer's price point. I had no noise problems.

Having said that, I do have a 1602 in my rig which is working out=20
nicely. It's just a simple line mixer - and it performs that job well.

Jeff


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> Hi guys,=A0
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I don't remember the exact model number, but I owned a Behringer mixer
that fits the description on the website about a year ago. I returned
it after a few days.


I found the eq's lacking, and the onboard fx unusable - even given the
mixer's price point. I had no noise problems.


Having said that, I do have a 1602 in my rig which is working out
nicely. It's just a simple line mixer - and it performs that job well.


Jeff



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I can not get any sound into or out of SuperLooper.

I'm trying to use my EMI 2|6.

In System Preferences I have Input and Output set to EMI 2|6

In Jack I have Built-In Audio (the only option mic option) being sent 
to SuperLooper

I tried using the built-in mic instead but it still wouldn't work.

I tried every kind of connection in Jack and just ended up with ringing 
ears.

Any help is really appreciated,

Thanks,

Erland

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#1.
when i had my PHILIPS cd recorder it required "AUDIO" CDS now that i have an 
eMac with built in cd recorder what media should i use?.....i have been using 
the AUDIO CDS with the eMac and have had no problems but i believe they are a 
bit more expensive.....are the AUDIO CDS "better" and should i continue to use 
them?
#2.
when i record something into PEAK LE and i want to put it onto a cd i send it 
to i-tunes, create a play-list then record it to cd.....does this degrade the 
sound? the reason i do it this way is if i go straight from PEAK thats all i 
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Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about the 
friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File Library, 
which has a grand total of  13 sound files on it (and has been available 
for almost 2 years).

http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/

Mike, you can find a few samples there.

I don't think it's a question of available resources or tools.  I think 
it's that musicians in general, and loopers specifically, are an 
independent bunch, and aren't real motivated to build a shared music 
resource.  No sour grapes, honest.  But if you really *want* to, there 
IS a resource available to you at the Looper's Delight website.

Dig

Matthias Grob wrote:

>> The areas that really kind of befuddle me are the
>> replace / insert / substitute type functions.  I'm
>> having a hard time getting away from the basic
>> functions (record / overdub / multiply / reverse) so I
>> kind of end up with the traditional "loop" sound
>> (short phrase over and over).  I want to bring more
>> variety and interest into it.
>
>
> try a Feedback pedal!
>
>> Anyone have any live solo loop pieces that they
>> wouldn't mind sharing?  (Probably a silly question - I
>
>
> this confirms what I have been talking about for years:
> the hardest to find on LD is the music
> someone (musician, agent, producer, journalist, listener...) 
> interested in what we do needs a page of sound samples and links to 
> capable musicians to get a picture quickly.
> nicer even if organized by style/technique so he gets the size of the 
> picture quicker.
>
> LiveLooping.org was meant to be this, but the people who showed 
> interest do create it did not start (probably my fault...)
>
> so?
>
> here is my contribution: http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm
>
> I finally included some links to 2003 where a lot of good stuff 
> happens, so I may never finish to edit it, so enjoy what I have so far!
>

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You can use any CD-R on the Mac--that special audio CD-R designation
is just something to keep the consumer standalone CD-R machines from
being able to use the real cheap media.

When you import into iTunes, depending on your settings it may convert
the AIFF file into an mp3/AAC or whatever.  If that's happening, then
yes, there's audio degredation.  If you leave the file as an AIFF then
no, there's no audio degredation.


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:37:13 EST, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
> #1.
>  when i had my PHILIPS cd recorder it required "AUDIO" CDS now that i have
> an eMac with built in cd recorder what media should i use?.....i have been
> using the AUDIO CDS with the eMac and have had no problems but i believe
> they are a bit more expensive.....are the AUDIO CDS "better" and should i
> continue to use them?
>  #2.
>  when i record something into PEAK LE and i want to put it onto a cd i send
> it to i-tunes, create a play-list then record it to cd.....does this degrade
> the sound? the reason i do it this way is if i go straight from PEAK thats
> all i can put on a cd, seems a waste of cd space.....thanks

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I'd forgotten about this, but looking at it now I remember why I never
used it: the 2MB file size limit.  I just put full-length tracks up on
my website.


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:37:18 -0600, Doug Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
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> friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File Library,
> which has a grand total of  13 sound files on it (and has been available
> for almost 2 years).
> 
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/
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| On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
| > Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites?
|
| no way dude. people can steal those.
|
| the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people
| from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you
| pay the most amount possible for server space.
|
| get with it, man!!
| ---
| Eric Williamson
| www.suitandtieguy.com

Yeah, the day that they give away the encoding for the presently-proprietary
Flash, I'll think about it.  Why make Macromedia richer?
Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* http://www.medialinenews.com
*
* "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
  - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
* * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net

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Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of my 
computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player.  Sounds great!  And it 
keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear.

-J


Stephen Goodman wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Suit & Tie Guy" <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 23:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples
> 
> 
> | On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
> | > Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites?
> |
> | no way dude. people can steal those.
> |
> | the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people
> | from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you
> | pay the most amount possible for server space.
> |
> | get with it, man!!
> | ---
> | Eric Williamson
> | www.suitandtieguy.com
> 
> Yeah, the day that they give away the encoding for the presently-proprietary
> Flash, I'll think about it.  Why make Macromedia richer?
> Stephen Goodman
> * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
> * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
> * http://www.medialinenews.com
> *
> * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
> mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
>   - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
> * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
> 
> 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jesse Lucas" <jlucas@neoprimitive.net>
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| Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of my
| computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player.  Sounds great!  And it
| keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear.

And you got it for free anyway.  So much for THAT line of argument then!

| -J
|
|
| Stephen Goodman wrote:
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>
| > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
| > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 23:37 PM
| > Subject: Re: Breaking out of the box / loop music samples
| >
| >
| > | On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
| > | > Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites?
| > |
| > | no way dude. people can steal those.
| > |
| > | the new thing is flash audio players for your songs, to keep people
| > | from listening to your music on their iPods and to make sure that you
| > | pay the most amount possible for server space.
| > |
| > | get with it, man!!
| > | ---
| > | Eric Williamson
| > | www.suitandtieguy.com
| >
| > Yeah, the day that they give away the encoding for the
presently-proprietary
| > Flash, I'll think about it.  Why make Macromedia richer?
| > Stephen Goodman
| > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
| > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
| > * http://www.medialinenews.com
| > *
| > * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
| > mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
| >   - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
| > * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|

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Stephen Goodman wrote:
> | Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of my
> | computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player.  Sounds great!  And it
> | keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear.
> 
> And you got it for free anyway.  So much for THAT line of argument then!

Wow!  I didn't think of it that way!

-J

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I just spent some time with Google trying to find a quote, perhaps you folks
can help . . .
I believe it was spoken by Lionel Hampton, and is something like;
"Americans like jazz, as long as they get it free with Sunday brunch."
My point is that there is a lot of "free" entertainment out there--online
music etc--
Gary
PS  Nothing I do seems to be groundbreaking enough to record and post--but
it's great entertainment for me!
G


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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:34:33 -0500, Erland <soam@acedsl.com> wrote:
> I can not get any sound into or out of SuperLooper.
> 
> I'm trying to use my EMI 2|6.
> 
> In System Preferences I have Input and Output set to EMI 2|6
> 
> In Jack I have Built-In Audio (the only option mic option) being sent
> to SuperLooper
> 
> I tried using the built-in mic instead but it still wouldn't work.
> 
> I tried every kind of connection in Jack and just ended up with ringing
> ears.

First, stop the jack server, then in the JackPilot preferences, 
choose the EMI as the Interface in the settings at the top.   Set the
sample rate to 48000 (best for USB audio),  buffer size to taste, save
the settings, then start jack again.

Connecting sooperlooper to the EMI in both directions should work...

jlc

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here's a photo from his recent concert in Tuscon:

http://www.steveroach.com/Live/2005/Tucson/Photos/pages/page_4.html

2 EDPs, one Echo Pro in that mad bunch of keyboards.

---
Eric Williamson
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On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Jesse Lucas wrote:
> Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of  
> my computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player.  Sounds great!   
> And it keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear.

my favourite is when some totally paranoid schizo puts his music on his  
site as an m3u or an rm file so you can just open the link in a text  
editor and grab the actual location of the file.

> Stephen Goodman wrote:
>> * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms!  
>> All
>> mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
>>   - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
>> * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net

so does john travolta ever phone you up and threaten to rough you up  
for that link in your sig?

i hear i'm a fourth level Thetan, or at least the guy i paid 40 grand  
told me so.

that fateful day:
http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004- 
Pages/Image41.html
http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004- 
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Is it true that there's a 2 meg file limit? If not, I could stick my 
looping tracks on there, no problem.

Andreas

Doug Cox wrote:

> Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about the 
> friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File 
> Library, which has a grand total of  13 sound files on it (and has 
> been available for almost 2 years).
>
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/
>
> Mike, you can find a few samples there.
>
> I don't think it's a question of available resources or tools.  I 
> think it's that musicians in general, and loopers specifically, are an 
> independent bunch, and aren't real motivated to build a shared music 
> resource.  No sour grapes, honest.  But if you really *want* to, there 
> IS a resource available to you at the Looper's Delight website.
>
> Dig

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"Uploads are limited to 2MB at this time. Files greater than 2MB are
truncated. Truncated MP3s will still play - they'll just be... uh...
truncated at the end! Other file types over 2MB may be corrupted by
truncation."


On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:02:04 +0100, Andreas Wetterberg
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> Is it true that there's a 2 meg file limit? If not, I could stick my
> looping tracks on there, no problem.
> 
> Andreas
>

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>>Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites?
>
>no way dude. people can steal those.

for some mp3s that you can steal
www.andybutler.com


the EDP use is a lot more "gentle" than Andre's,
but there's a range of techniques to get away from
straightforward loops.

1) Non-looped intro/outro
2) Multiply allows you to start with a very small rhythmic cell, and extend 
in length progressively
3) HalfSpeed, and Reverse help to build up layers of contrasting sounds

as an example
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/hanging-garden-clf.mp3

this is a straight warts and all live recording, made with the directional 
mic on a video camera,
so sound is somewhat lo-fi,
...and you can hear the footswitch action

first minute is unlooped intro

1:10   two note rhythmic cell is looped
1:19   Multiply is used to "overdub" a second longer rhythm (8 cycles)
1:30   NextLoop is used to make a copy of that loop into loop 2 , and 
simultaneously it is multiplied up to 36 cycles while adding a melody.
2:10  Melody starts to repeat
2:24  A counter-melody is played over the top of everything
2:38  Overdub is engaged, so now that melody is dubbed onto the loop
2:49  Overdub is switched off, while the melody continues
3:17  Now the bit I overdub comes round again, and I overdub another 
harmony (overdub on)
3:30 Overdub Off again
3:57  3 part harmony
4:09  nextloop used to go back to Loop 1, which has the 8 cycle rhythm
4:29  overdub rhythm onto loop1
4:35  while still overdubbing, hit reverse , and play a ringing chord 
simultaneously
4:42 hit reverse again,
4:53 you hear that ringing chord played backwards over the rhythm
5:00 that's the hard stuff done, now it's just me playing variations on the 
first non-looped intro over the new rhythm
5:50 Mute loop and play outro
6:04 applause






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hey i'm a guitarer who loves s.roach. he gets such rich organic/earthee
sounds-my fav is still 1990s<STRATA> w/robt rich...
anyway i see that <digitech> spacestation(that some o' us abuse-hi michael)
@ his feet...
s

> here's a photo from his recent concert in Tuscon:
> 
> http://www.steveroach.com/Live/2005/Tucson/Photos/pages/page_4.html
> 
> 2 EDPs, one Echo Pro in that mad bunch of keyboards.
> 
> ---
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Ha,


| On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Jesse Lucas wrote:
| > Yeah, I went to some of those web sites and recorded the music out of
| > my computer's soundcard straight onto my mp3 player.  Sounds great!
| > And it keeps people from getting ahold of your music for free, I hear.
|
| my favourite is when some totally paranoid schizo puts his music on his
| site as an m3u or an rm file so you can just open the link in a text
| editor and grab the actual location of the file.

I find one of the more silly methods of "protecting your work" - a
Javascript routine made to prevent people from right-clicking on graphics,
that also prevents one from right-clicking to Show Picture when it's not
visible. :)

| > Stephen Goodman wrote:
| >> * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms!
| >> All
| >> mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
| >>   - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
| >> * * http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
|
| so does john travolta ever phone you up and threaten to rough you up
| for that link in your sig?

He should be able to do so remotely with his OatTee Powerz!  After all the
so-called OTs are supposed to be able to be "at cause over Matter, Energy,
Space and Time ('MEST')", so Tubby Johnny should be able to do it all from
his luxury suite while demanding another fresh Armani t-shirt for the day's
labor, and avoiding airborne perfumes, sprays, and other not-so-awful
"pollutants".

| i hear i'm a fourth level Thetan, or at least the guy i paid 40 grand
| told me so.

Since it costs nearly $320k to get to OT8, without all the extra fees of
course, I'd say you got a bargain.  Well, so long as you were able to
realize it's a load of expensive junk best avoided with the same fever as
reserved for "Battlefield Earth"...

| that fateful day:
|
http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004-Pages/Image41.html
|
http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004-Pages/Image42.html
|
http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/fall_fervour_2004/fall_fervour_2004-Pages/Image43.html

Ah, St. Louis!  Near the so-called "Applied Scholastics" front group for the
cult, which pretends to teach while actually performing indoctrination
drilling.  Notice if you will in the last image, how those hands seem to be
taking the planet apart, as opposed to what was intended by those
commissioning the artwork?  I'm sure it was unconscious.  Inside the
disassembled Earth, the glow of GOLD.  Which is of course Scientology's main
motivation, as Hubbard wrote: "Make money.  Make more money.  Make others
make more money."

Unfortunately for the cult they're getting their "Narconon" front group's
butts kicked out of schools all over the US, after Isaac Asimov's daughter
wrote a great series of exposes in SF's Chronicle (Examiner?) about its "bad
science" and sheer absence of verifiable proof of anything the group
preaches - and the fact that it's not really a "drug prevention" program at
all.

I'll stop now, and if anyone wants to discuss this off-list feel free.

Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* http://www.medialinenews.com
*
* "You can  write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
*   - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water
removable.  According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a
building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is
well known to defense trained personnel."
*  - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47
*
"The anti-drug campaign sounds like a red herring to me - they are just
trying to promote Scientology in our schools. I really do not know why the
police are supporting them."
- A parent of a 15-year-old attending Secondary School in Westminster UK,
2004
*
"We would not for a moment consider allowing Scientologists to come into our
school."
* - Joe Heggarty, governor of St Vincent's RC primary school, Westminster UK
* from The Wood & Vale newspaper, at http://tinyurl.com/5qmg4

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At 14:24 17/03/05, you wrote:
>Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about the 
>friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File Library, 
>which has a grand total of  13 sound files on it (and has been available 
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>
>http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/

I thought this was a limited resource, intended for those who didn't have 
their own webspace,
and for short examples of looping techniques.
(hence the 2Mb limit on file size)

...that's my excuse anyway, I notice the "competent self publicists"
all have nice files up there already :-)

andybutler 

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>>Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension.  How would a four-dimensional being perceive music?<<

in much the same way as one of us might percieve a three-dimensional object? the assumption is always that the same (limited) set of sensory inputs is available. in any case, a description that assumes anything else is going to be difficult for regular humans to appreciate.
I know a band called "air sculpture" who got their name from such an attempt (to describe music, that is); can't remember the source now though.

during periods of an altered state, it is sometimes possible to appreciate the beginning, middle & end of an otherwise "rolling" experience. sometimes though, this is because one's own sense of the passage of time is altered, probably by a change in the way one's short-term memory is processed. experience of this is not without merit in the creative arts, but it's not recommended for everyday life!

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Say, for the sake of my example, time is the four=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>in much the same way as one of us might percieve a three-=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I know a band called &quot;air sculpture&quot; who got th=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>during periods of an altered state, it is sometimes possi=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan/r.m.i.</FONT>
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Did I miss something here?  Time is the fourth dimension and we are
all four-dimensional beings--is this considered an unproven theory
now?


On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:03:09 -0000, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
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>  
> 
> >>Say, for the sake of my example, time is the fourth dimension.  How would
> a four-dimensional being perceive music?<< 
>

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Travis Hartnett wrote:
> Did I miss something here?  Time is the fourth dimension and we are
> all four-dimensional beings--is this considered an unproven theory
> now?

There could be an infinite number of dimensions.  Humans' numbering of 
them is arbitrary.  I needed to specify that I was referring to time as 
the fourth dimension just in case some smart ass wanted to get up in my 
shit.

But, yes, time is commonly referred to as the fourth dimension as far as 
I know.

We are aware of time, but we can't really control how we move through 
it.  We are always moving forward at the same rate.  A true 
four-dimensional being should be able to control hir movement through time.

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Travis wrote:
>Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites?

not quite
and try to colect a variety of sound of ours to see how long it takes
each site has a different system
many of the links at LoopersOfTheWorld are outdated

Ok, the site sais its for musicians info exchange, and for this it works well.
Spreading the music is a different story... maybe important for some 
of us, not for others...

At 14:24 17/03/05, Eric wrote:
>Everytime I read something like this, I get a little grumpy about 
>the friggin solid week I spent putting up the Looper's Delight File 
>Library, which has a grand total of  13 sound files on it (and has 
>been available for almost 2 years).
>
>http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/

yeah its a pity

just imagine you dont know anything about LiveLooping and come to LD:
dont you want to hear first what it sounds like?
do you click on "File Library" to do so?
And if so, you read "The Looper's Delight File Library is intended to 
be an extension of the discussions that occur on the Looper's Delight 
mailing list."
If you listen anyway to the samples... would you search for a place 
to watch this?

I think a 2MB limit is not a problem for the listener, but it may be 
for the musician who has to do a special edit.

also, if we represent all we do by some people who put up a file 
because they dont have a site, it may not show the real cultural 
value...
-- 


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I've never purchased CDROMs made for "Audio" CDs and
I've never had an issue.

When burning a CD from iTunes you should have no
problem if you start out with an .aif or .wav file and
don't convert it to an mp3.

Mark

--- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> #1.
> when i had my PHILIPS cd recorder it required
> "AUDIO" CDS now that i have an 
> eMac with built in cd recorder what media should i
> use?.....i have been using 
> the AUDIO CDS with the eMac and have had no problems
> but i believe they are a 
> bit more expensive.....are the AUDIO CDS "better"
> and should i continue to use 
> them?
> #2.
> when i record something into PEAK LE and i want to
> put it onto a cd i send it 
> to i-tunes, create a play-list then record it to
> cd.....does this degrade the 
> sound? the reason i do it this way is if i go
> straight from PEAK thats all i 
> can put on a cd, seems a waste of cd
> space.....thanks
> 

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Dia duit,

"Gosh and begorrah! It's me Luck Charms!" time again, also known as Saint=20
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P=C3=B3g mo th=C3=B3in- Kiss my bum
Qiche ma=C3=ADth =E2=80=93 good night

So, go out and hoist a few in tribute to Saint Pat's. For me it's still to=20
early, so
I'm going to go into the kitchen and pour some Guinness Stout over a bowl=20
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(just kidding)=20

Have a great one anyway.

Sla=C3=ADnte,

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

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Amad=C3=A1n- Idiot=C2=A0 <BR>
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Qiche ma=C3=ADth =E2=80=93 good night<BR>
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<BR>
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So, these beatslicing fellows take breakbeats, cut them apart and 
reassemble them in different ways in a sampler.

I dumped a bunch of junk bass noises (i.e. played/hit my bass) into my 
EDP, did some SUSInsert, SUSReplace, and SUSMultiply along the way and 
came up with a rhythmic loop.

I recorded it into my computer, and cut it up into quarter note and 
eighth note pieces (or something), and then put those in my sampler and 
sequenced them.

Throw in a little snare for familiarity, sample some chick from an anal 
sex how-to video, and then whisper menacingly into a compressor.
There you have it.

Enjoy.

http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/edp.mp3

-J



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Hey jesse!  I like that, very nice…



Pċ 17. mar. 2005 kl. 19.16 skrev Jesse Lucas:

> So, these beatslicing fellows take breakbeats, cut them apart and 
> reassemble them in different ways in a sampler.
>
> I dumped a bunch of junk bass noises (i.e. played/hit my bass) into my 
> EDP, did some SUSInsert, SUSReplace, and SUSMultiply along the way and 
> came up with a rhythmic loop.
>
> I recorded it into my computer, and cut it up into quarter note and 
> eighth note pieces (or something), and then put those in my sampler 
> and sequenced them.
>
> Throw in a little snare for familiarity, sample some chick from an 
> anal sex how-to video, and then whisper menacingly into a compressor.
> There you have it.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/edp.mp3
>
> -J
>
>

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I think I'll celebrate by listening to Green Day ;-)

Dennis

Stephen Goodman wrote:

> Warning!  Abrasive, provocative text follows!
>  
> If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and 
> thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies.  In any event I 
> reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the 
> notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via 
> the only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just 
> about everywhere there are English-speaking folks.  I'd propose the 
> renaming of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a 
> delightful near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt 
> Day"?  I'd say "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor 
> Day, so that'd be a waste of time, wouldn't it?
>  
> So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the 
> green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals 
> Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".  Aye!
>  
> Stephen Goodman
> * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
> * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
> * http://www.medialinenews.com
> *
> http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
> *
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> - UK Review of L. Ron Hubbard's "Thank You For Listening"


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Someone please get this troll a drink.

-J


Stephen Goodman wrote:
> Warning!  Abrasive, provocative text follows!
>  
> If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and 
> thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies.  In any event I 
> reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the 
> notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the 
> only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about 
> everywhere there are English-speaking folks.  I'd propose the renaming 
> of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful 
> near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"?  I'd say 
> "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a 
> waste of time, wouldn't it?
>  
> So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the 
> green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals 
> Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".  Aye!

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He implies that I required a response to have my opinion validated.  Go
moderate.

| Someone please get this troll a drink.
|
| -J
|
|
| Stephen Goodman wrote:
| > Warning!  Abrasive, provocative text follows!
| >
| > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and
| > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies.  In any event I
| > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the
| > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the
| > only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about
| > everywhere there are English-speaking folks.  I'd propose the renaming
| > of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a delightful
| > near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"?  I'd say
| > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a
| > waste of time, wouldn't it?
| >
| > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the
| > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals
| > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".  Aye!
|
|
|
|
|

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Why don't you post some music instead of this racist rubbish.

-J


Stephen Goodman wrote:
> | > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and
> | > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies.  In any event I
> | > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less the
> | > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via the
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> | > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd be a
> | > waste of time, wouldn't it?
> | >
> | > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the
> | > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals
> | > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".  Aye!

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>>Did I miss something here?  Time is the fourth dimension and we are all four-dimensional beings--is this considered an unproven theory now?<<

we-e-e-ll....... you might consider the plight of a three-dimensional being falling from an aircraft.... he has a pretty good sense of all three dimensions, but his movements are limited to two of them. 
to truly exist in a dimension, one must surely have some control over one's movements in that dimension, rather than just an appreciation of it. (when does "dr who" start up again?)

at least as humans, we have some notion of our movement through time, & a sense of past & future. I think that's why we (i.e. the list) have this fascination with iterative sound recording processes:- 

is it the same each time it comes around? it says on the box that it will be, & if I look at the waveform, it seems to be the same. only- ah- that last time..... I thought it sounded different somehow..... here it comes again, & now I've got two memories to compare it to. uh-oh, it was different again. I should try to keep my head still this time....

I think I can hear sonny & cher starting up somewhere. :-)

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On Mar 17, 2005, at 19:16, Jesse Lucas wrote:
>
> There you have it.
> Enjoy.
> http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/edp.mp3
>
> -J

Excellent!

Greetings from Sweden

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Many sincere apologies!

In my usual lunk-headed, Amero-central way I forgot that there are
folks in the world that don't particularly like the Irish. The last thing=20
in the world I ever imagined my e-mail greeting would ever raise was=20
real "ire" (of the wrong, negative sort, and yes -- pun fully intended).

I am just the sort who is as likely send out a Cinco de Mayo greeting=20
on May the 5th -- even though I am not even a speck Hispanic or,
specifically, Mexican (though I went to college in Mexico) -- or a Yom=20
Kippur or a Chinese New Year greeting as anything else. I am neither=20
Jewish or Chinese if you must know.

I am probably only a little bit Irish. I've got as much Welsh, Scott,
English and German DNA in me (for that matter) as I do Irish --
possibly more. I am an American, so it almost goes without   saying
that I am (in dog parlance) a complete mutt and a mongrel . . . both=20
ethnically and culturally. I'm probably part Samoan and Eskimo
too (for all I know or care). Nothing is my own and everything is=20
my own. Today, March 17th, I am Irish. In the US it's usually good=20
enough.

I am not Catholic -- so maybe I should wear orange instead. But, I don't=20
go in for the internecine political conflict part. In America it is easy to=20
be unaware of it. Today I'll just eat corned beef   and cabbage (actually=20
an Irish American immigrant tradition) look for rainbows and 4-leaf=20
clovers, and tell my wife "Kiss me I'm Irish" . . . wear green and attempt=20
(badly) to speak in a brogue worthy of some naif breakfast cereal=20
commercial.

I may even knock back a Guinness -- though I really should watch=20
my weight. Drinking a bottle of that stuff is like drinking a whole huge
dark loaf of bread. Heheheh. Once a year and I'm good.

Anyway, I am really sorry that offense was taken . . . none (surely) was=20
meant by my attempt to inject humor and a little color into our e-mail=20
in-boxes today. I guess since the Northern Irish conflict has been out=20
of the headlines in America, we tend to forget it's there. I'm not sure if
that is where you're coming from but I am sorry nonetheless.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Ari=
al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Many sincere apologies!<BR>
<BR>
In my usual lunk-headed, Amero-central way I forgot that there are<BR>
folks in the world that don't particularly like the Irish. The last thing <B=
R>
in the world I ever imagined my e-mail greeting would ever raise was <BR>
real "ire" (of the wrong, negative sort, and yes -- pun fully intended).<BR>
<BR>
I am just the sort who is as likely send out a Cinco de Mayo greeting <BR>
on May the 5th -- even though I am not even a speck Hispanic or,<BR>
specifically, Mexican (though I went to college in Mexico) -- or a Yom <BR>
Kippur or a Chinese New Year greeting as anything else. I am neither <BR>
Jewish or Chinese if you must know.<BR>
<BR>
I am probably only a little bit Irish. I've got as much Welsh, Scott,<BR>
English and German DNA in me (for that matter) as I do Irish --<BR>
possibly more. I am an American, so it almost goes without&nbsp;  saying<BR>
that I am (in dog parlance) a complete mutt and a mongrel . . . both <BR>
ethnically and culturally. I'm probably part Samoan and Eskimo<BR>
too (for all I know or care). Nothing is my own and everything is <BR>
my own. Today, March 17th, I am Irish. In the US it's usually good <BR>
enough.<BR>
<BR>
I am not Catholic -- so maybe I should wear orange instead. But, I don't <BR=
>
go in for the internecine political conflict part. In America it is easy to=20=
<BR>
be unaware of it. Today I'll just eat corned beef&nbsp;  and cabbage (actual=
ly <BR>
an Irish American immigrant tradition) look for rainbows and 4-leaf <BR>
clovers, and tell my wife "Kiss me I'm Irish" . . . wear green and attempt <=
BR>
(badly) to speak in a brogue worthy of some naif breakfast cereal <BR>
commercial.<BR>
<BR>
I may even knock back a Guinness -- though I really should watch <BR>
my weight. Drinking a bottle of that stuff is like drinking a whole huge<BR>
dark loaf of bread. Heheheh. Once a year and I'm good.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, I am really sorry that offense was taken . . . none (surely) was <BR=
>
meant by my attempt to inject humor and a little color into our e-mail <BR>
in-boxes today. I guess since the Northern Irish conflict has been out <BR>
of the headlines in America, we tend to forget it's there. I'm not sure if<B=
R>
that is where you're coming from but I am sorry nonetheless.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
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Eh-hem, It was racism I complained about.  Since when should ANY race be
celebrated over any other?  Why should any particular group of people have a
unique date to celebrate something they have no control over, but persist in
being proud of?  You can't say that people who aren't Irish anywhere near
Chicago, New York or Boston haven't had to suffer unnecessarily every year
at this time.  Or is the benchmark applied to everyone else not applicable
here?

Rubbish my foot.

| Why don't you post some music instead of this racist rubbish.
|
| -J
|
|
| Stephen Goodman wrote:
| > | > If there is any Irish in me it's because of cross-channel raids, and
| > | > thereby undocumentable except through DNA studies.  In any event I
| > | > reject the notion of bureaucratically-assigned "Saints", much less
the
| > | > notion of celebrating ANY ethnic group over others, least of all via
the
| > | > only singularly-sanctioned ethnic holiday forced upon us just about
| > | > everywhere there are English-speaking folks.  I'd propose the
renaming
| > | > of "Saint Patrick's" Day to Human Day, or Individuals' Day (a
delightful
| > | > near-conflict in terms there), or how about "Green Shirt Day"?  I'd
say
| > | > "Tree Day" but we've already all but FORGOTTEN Arbor Day, so that'd
be a
| > | > waste of time, wouldn't it?
| > | >
| > | > So I'll just relax tonight and take part in a little "smokin' of the
| > | > green", and listening to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals
| > | > Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict".  Aye!
|
|
|
|
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i'm going to celebrate St Patrick's day by listening to Loreena 
McKennitt on my way to Champaign to spend a few hours on a 
well-maintained Moog IIIC modular synthesizer from 1968.

on the way back we will stop at the Bloomington Jim's Steakhouse and 
drink heavily with my alcoholic lounge pianist friend who will most 
likely take silly photos of everyone involved and post them on his site 
( http://www.expage.com/page/athomeatthepianobar ).

i _may_ watch Blink when i get home to remind myself of what a great 
band The Drovers once were.

another loop-friendly way to celebrate St Patrick's Day would be to 
listen to the soundtrack of Captive, by Michael Brook and the Edge.
---
Eric Williamson
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Pretty cool jesse...

can i stick it on my shoutcast radio station?

That goes for any of you BTW.. I just set up a little station for fun, =
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I'm going to celebrate St Patrick's Day by doing a promotional
performance on a local radio station with my celtic band Wylde Nept
(done) and playing our biggest gig of the year tonight. Funny, we've
been blamed for fueling the hostilities in Northern Ireland (really. a
band in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. a band that doesn't even touch IRA songs.
*shrug*) but we've never been called racist.

Our performance will be all the more offensive to some since we:

a) treat it a bit like Mardi Gras, complete with beads (though there's
no obligation to be met in order to receive them)
b) toss a giant papier-mache snake into the audience; the snake is
chock full of "prizes" from a local $1 store
c) don't use any looping devices

However will I sleep tonight? Quite well, actually, after the post-gig
high (adrenaline-induced) subsides.

Slainte,

Jon Southwood

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:19:50 -0600, Suit & Tie Guy
<erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
> i'm going to celebrate St Patrick's day by listening to Loreena
> McKennitt on my way to Champaign to spend a few hours on a
> well-maintained Moog IIIC modular synthesizer from 1968.
> 
> on the way back we will stop at the Bloomington Jim's Steakhouse and
> drink heavily with my alcoholic lounge pianist friend who will most
> likely take silly photos of everyone involved and post them on his site
> ( http://www.expage.com/page/athomeatthepianobar ).
> 
> i _may_ watch Blink when i get home to remind myself of what a great
> band The Drovers once were.
> 
> another loop-friendly way to celebrate St Patrick's Day would be to
> listen to the soundtrack of Captive, by Michael Brook and the Edge.
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
> 
>

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--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: 
> I may even knock back a Guinness -- though I really
> should watch 
> my weight. Drinking a bottle of that stuff is like
> drinking a whole huge
> dark loaf of bread. Heheheh. Once a year and I'm
> good.

Hey Ted,

One entire side of the 15 story hotel I stayed at last
week in NYC was a huge, towering Guinness billboard.
The spin of their copy in that ad was that a bottle of
Guinness only contains 120 (or was it 125?) calories,
which is comparable with pretty much any non-lite
beer.

Hopefully that'll make you feel better as you indulge.
:P

Personally, I just can't wait for Arbor Day,

-t-


		
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here is another resource for hearing a wide and varied group of looping 
styles.....this is ROBIN HAAS' two cds of the y2k3 SANTA CRUZ LOOPFEST.....30 
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ok. it was inevitable.

i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. it only fell a few 
feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it mangled! the 
aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into the chassis 
because the seams don't match up.

my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and doesn't look nearly as 
bad.

does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing without 
voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up the looping list so 
feel free to reply off-list.

fiddlesticks!

z

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I had the exact same thing happen to my 12" PB not so long ago. The denting was just around the battery compartment. With some needle-nose pliers I was able to bend it back into shape mostly without having to do anything other than having the battery out.

If you have AppleCare, don't bother, they will take care of you.

If you don't, you might want to price out some non-Apple-owned repair shops. I know there are several in the SF area.

   Kevin


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>ok. it was inevitable.
>
>i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. it only fell a few 
>feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it mangled! the 
>aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into the chassis 
>because the seams don't match up.
>
>my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and doesn't look nearly as 
>bad.
>
>does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing without 
>voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up the looping list so 
>feel free to reply off-list.
>
>fiddlesticks!
>
>z
>
>

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Hi Everyone,=20
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weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please do. It really is =
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212 481 1601 for reservations or you can get tickets @ =
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The shows are Friday 8:00 pm, Saturday at 8:00pm and Sunday @ 4:00 pm. =
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Gaffer's Tape?

does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing


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At 1:51 AM -0500 3/18/05, dominic frasca wrote:

>The sound that [Andre] is creating using 5 echoplexes is really 
>indescribable...if there is anyway you are able to make it to see 
>one of his shows this weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please 
>do.

I wish I could be there, but I'm in Los Angeles.

I saw Andre at the Ethel concert in LA recently, and we talked at 
length about his upcoming gig at the Monkey. At the time he already 
had some strong ideas about the approach he would take and I'm glad 
to know that it's becoming a strong reality (though I really had no 
doubts that he'd succeed).

I also spoke to Todd Reynolds about his own experience at the Monkey. 
It sounds like  you're doing a good thing and I hope the next time 
I'm in the are (perhaps July) you'll have something on.

I certainly hope others will be able to and interested in following 
your lead and will establish venues for multichannel surround sound 
throughout the US. There are a number of such venues in Canada and in 
Europe.

Last week I attended an 8-channel concert in a church here in Studio 
City (it was the second of a series of four such concerts). Perhaps 
this venue would be a suitable location for a West Coast version of 
Andre's surround excursions. I'll look into it.
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Todd here...

I myself am sorry to miss andre's show this weekend as I'm sitting in
Milan's airport typing this and here in italy for a week (everybody say
AWWW)  , HOWEVER I can say that my own experience of doing dominic's space
led me to do my solo show last night - in a concert hall- and in quad.  It
was delightful.  8 meyer speakers, all coming out of my powerbook.

A rewarding and enveloping experience for all, and one that I plan to repeat
regularly.

Best to all...

Todd




On 3/18/05 2:10 AM, "Richard Zvonar" <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:

> At 1:51 AM -0500 3/18/05, dominic frasca wrote:
> 
>> The sound that [Andre] is creating using 5 echoplexes is really
>> indescribable...if there is anyway you are able to make it to see
>> one of his shows this weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please
>> do.
> 
> I wish I could be there, but I'm in Los Angeles.
> 
> I saw Andre at the Ethel concert in LA recently, and we talked at
> length about his upcoming gig at the Monkey. At the time he already
> had some strong ideas about the approach he would take and I'm glad
> to know that it's becoming a strong reality (though I really had no
> doubts that he'd succeed).
> 
> I also spoke to Todd Reynolds about his own experience at the Monkey.
> It sounds like  you're doing a good thing and I hope the next time
> I'm in the are (perhaps July) you'll have something on.
> 
> I certainly hope others will be able to and interested in following
> your lead and will establish venues for multichannel surround sound
> throughout the US. There are a number of such venues in Canada and in
> Europe.
> 
> Last week I attended an 8-channel concert in a church here in Studio
> City (it was the second of a series of four such concerts). Perhaps
> this venue would be a suitable location for a West Coast version of
> Andre's surround excursions. I'll look into it.

-- 
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Most of the people on this list seem to agree that laptops only pose
problems: impractical design, nearly gets killed when falling to the
floor etc.

Why don't you all get industry pc's? There are the variants in 19'' rack
cases (which you can even build yourself using standard components), and
there are even very small variants with passive cooling (i.e. nearly no
noise!) - try www.digitallogic.ch

	Rainer

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Betreff: not a looping topic, but i did it while looping..!


ok. it was inevitable.

i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook. it only fell a few 
feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it mangled! the 
aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into the chassis 
because the seams don't match up.

my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and doesn't look nearly as 
bad.

does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a thing without 
voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up the looping list so 
feel free to reply off-list.

fiddlesticks!

z

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Eek!

Do you have Applecare, by chance?  If so, I'd suggest
going that route...

Mike

--- Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> ok. it was inevitable.
> 
> i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook.
> it only fell a few 
> feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it
> mangled! the 
> aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into
> the chassis 
> because the seams don't match up.
> 
> my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and
> doesn't look nearly as 
> bad.
> 
> does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a
> thing without 
> voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up
> the looping list so 
> feel free to reply off-list.
> 
> fiddlesticks!
> 
> z
> 
> 


		
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Just please tell me that you will find a way to record this show in 5.1 
surround! :)


>From: "dominic frasca" <dfrasca@verizon.net>
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>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:51:12 -0500
>
>Hi Everyone,
>My name is Dominic Frasca, I am a guitarist from New York City. I have just 
>recently opened a 5.1 surround sound club here in the city. Last year I was 
>turned onto Andre LaFosse via David Torn. I quickly became a fan of what he 
>was doing. I must admit I know absolutely nothing about looping, but I knew 
>when I got Andre's CD I liked what I heard. So when I decided to build this 
>space I booked Andre to come play. I gave him one condition which was he 
>had to use 5 echoplexes, one for each speaker. Andre excepted the challenge 
>and began preparing . This week Andre arrived to start rehearsals for what 
>would be a 3 show run here at The Monkey and the result is absolutely mind 
>altering. I can honestly say this week has been one of the most musically 
>inspirational moments in my life. Andre has taken the guitar , expanded it 
>and evolved it into a completely new instrument. His command not only of 
>the guitar but also of the echoplex is stunning.But it goes much deeper 
>than just what he is able to do as an instrumentalist. He is using these 
>instruments to create music that is original and at the same time relevant. 
>The sound that he is creating using 5 echoplexes is really indescribable. I 
>know I am a crasher to the loop community and I apologize for that. But if 
>there is anyway you are able to make it to see one of his shows this 
>weekend at the Monkey in New York City, please do. It really is something 
>special and I would  love for as many people to hear this as possible 
>because I don't know when I will be able to get 5 echoplexes and Andre in 
>here again. So if you are interest in coming please call 212 481 1601 for 
>reservations or you can get tickets @ www.dominicfrasca.com.
>
>The shows are Friday 8:00 pm, Saturday at 8:00pm and Sunday @ 4:00 pm. The 
>space is located @ 37 w 26th st  Suite 1201.( between 6th and Bway)
>I hope to see you there
>thanks for your time
>Dominic Frasca


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Since there are several of us that use laptops in our
music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure
the laptop during a show, or do you just find a
convenient table to put your gear on?  I also have a
small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's
reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on
a stand of some kind for convenience.  

Anyone know of something that works for this type of
thing?

This is feeling familiar to me.  Did I already ask
this question?  =)  Sorry, if so.

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Wow--if they could just migrate some of that technology to their Humvees....

This morning I saw ads for Panasonic "Toughbooks".  Does anyone know
the ratio of marketing hype to acutal performance for the physical
ruggedness of those notebooks?


On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:13:25 -0800, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> withstand  anything up to a direct hit.
> 
>

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For small mixers, samplers, tabletop effects units I use one of those
OnStage music stands--the one with the wide tripod base.  They're
about $40.  For larger surface area and more stable platform I'd go
with a double brace keyboard stand with either a keyboard/guitar case
on top or piece of plywood cut to an appropriate size.


On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:56:31 -0800 (PST), mike feeney
<feeneymike@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Since there are several of us that use laptops in our
> music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure
> the laptop during a show, or do you just find a
> convenient table to put your gear on?  I also have a
> small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's
> reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on
> a stand of some kind for convenience.
> 
> Anyone know of something that works for this type of
> thing?
>

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Yes! All the shows will be recorded . Each echoplex is recorded onto a 
separate track as is his live guitar. I have already recorded a run-through 
show and it is really amazing sounding. We should have the multi-channel DVD 
audio and SACD disk available this summer.
Thanks
Dominic
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> Just please tell me that you will find a way to record this show in 5.1 
> surround! :)
>
>
>>From: "dominic frasca" <dfrasca@verizon.net>
>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>>Subject: Please don't miss this show
>>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:51:12 -0500
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>My name is Dominic Frasca, I am a guitarist from New York City. I have 
>>just recently opened a 5.1 surround sound club here in the city. Last year 
>>I was turned onto Andre LaFosse via David Torn. I quickly became a fan of 
>>what he was doing. I must admit I know absolutely nothing about looping, 
>>but I knew when I got Andre's CD I liked what I heard. So when I decided 
>>to build this space I booked Andre to come play. I gave him one condition 
>>which was he had to use 5 echoplexes, one for each speaker. Andre excepted 
>>the challenge and began preparing . This week Andre arrived to start 
>>rehearsals for what would be a 3 show run here at The Monkey and the 
>>result is absolutely mind altering. I can honestly say this week has been 
>>one of the most musically inspirational moments in my life. Andre has 
>>taken the guitar , expanded it and evolved it into a completely new 
>>instrument. His command not only of the guitar but also of the echoplex is 
>>stunning.But it goes much deeper than just what he is able to do as an 
>>instrumentalist. He is using these instruments to create music that is 
>>original and at the same time relevant. The sound that he is creating 
>>using 5 echoplexes is really indescribable. I know I am a crasher to the 
>>loop community and I apologize for that. But if there is anyway you are 
>>able to make it to see one of his shows this weekend at the Monkey in New 
>>York City, please do. It really is something special and I would  love for 
>>as many people to hear this as possible because I don't know when I will 
>>be able to get 5 echoplexes and Andre in here again. So if you are 
>>interest in coming please call 212 481 1601 for reservations or you can 
>>get tickets @ www.dominicfrasca.com.
>>
>>The shows are Friday 8:00 pm, Saturday at 8:00pm and Sunday @ 4:00 pm. The 
>>space is located @ 37 w 26th st  Suite 1201.( between 6th and Bway)
>>I hope to see you there
>>thanks for your time
>>Dominic Frasca
>
> 

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Hi Folks,

Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't answer.

I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here:

1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
    -> QuadraVerb (L/R)
    -> Line-in (PC)

or

2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono)
    -> QuadraVerb (mono)
    -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out
    -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R)
    -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
    -> Line-in (PC)

The reason for such would be obvious to a 1202vlz user, as both Aux Returns
on the Mackie are Mono out.  The Main Outs of course are Stereo, which the
QuadraVerb accepts.

On one level the simplicity of signal path in #1 would attract, and I've
used that config for a while.  But I wonder about using the Aux 2 for the QV
instead, and what advantages or disadvantages this approach would bring.
Would it introduce a muddy, less-distinct result of output?  Is this
something one learns to put up with as a result of using a QV in the Aux
signal path?

Thanks in advance.

Stephen Goodman
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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050317.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on
Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet.

                    Show #417                    March 17, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American Ambient 
master Steve
Roach.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Streams and Currents" by Steve 
Roach on
the Projekt label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Wunjo" by Giles Reaves on MCA Records 
released
in 1986.

Steve Roach - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar
Giles Reaves - http://spaceformusic.com/gilesreaves.html

PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
================================
11:00 pm
Giles Reaves            Sowelu *                 Wunjo (MCA)
VA [Ken Martin]         Space Cruise             E-dition #6 (Groove)
Binar                   The Truth Sets Us Free   Project Poltergeist (Bogus
                          (Part 2)                 Focus)
NON FINIRe mai          Sofiak                   Pilotinstaller (Energo)
Headshock               The River                Music from Peak Experience
                                                   (Bogus Focus)
Headshock               Crimson                  Music from Peak Experience
                                                   (Bogus Focus)
Headshock               The Manor House          Music from Peak Experience
                                                   (Bogus Focus)
Steve Roach             Present Moment           Streams and Currents 
(Projekt)

12:00 am
Steve Roach             Spirit Moves             Streams and Currents 
(Projekt)
Steve Roach             Slow Rising              Streams and Currents 
(Projekt)
Steve Roach             Almost Touching          Streams and Currents 
(Projekt)
Steve Roach             Ebb                      Streams and Currents 
(Projekt)
Steve Roach             Flow                     Streams and Currents 
(Projekt)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mantram" by Steve Roach, Byron Metcalf, 
and Mark
Seelig on the Projekt label.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Romance 76" by Peter Baumann on 
Virgin
Records from 1976.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in
Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on
Sevice Electric Cable.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and 
click on
the LISTEN link or go directly to:
http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This 
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It depends on how much crucial stereo information is coming from your
source, because all that will be lost if you use the Aux send.  I'd
suggest recording the stereo output of whatever you're using and then
running it back into the mixer and do an a/b test with the QV in both
points in the signal chain and see if it makes a significant
difference to your ears.




On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:55 -0000, Stephen Goodman
<spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't answer.
> 
> I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here:
> 
> 1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>     -> QuadraVerb (L/R)
>     -> Line-in (PC)
> 
> or
> 
> 2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono)
>     -> QuadraVerb (mono)
>     -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out
>     -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R)
>     -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>     -> Line-in (PC)
>

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http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html

At 2005.03.18 04:13 AM, samba - wrote:
>  There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to 
> withstand  anything up to a direct hit.

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Yeah--but I always have my laptop at a height greater than 36" from
the ground when I'm performing.  Do you have any links for really
rugged laptops?


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> http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html
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> At 2005.03.18 04:13 AM, samba - wrote:
> >  There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to
> > withstand  anything up to a direct hit.
> 
>

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Dominic, et al,

I have been familiar with Andre's music since I attended=20
his senior recital at Cal Arts almost a decade or more ago
(gosh time flies). God strike me dead if his playing and
general concept wasn't as stunning (and very nearly as=20
advanced) then as it is now. I have learned a lot more
from 30 minutes watching the guy than he'll ever know.=20

He's brilliant -- and if you're anywhere within 250 miles=20
of this gig you really owe it to yourself to go. I'm up in Oregon=20
and am sorely, sorely tempted to cash in my frequent flyer=20
miles on this one (the wife would kill me though, as we've=20
got summer vacation plans for those tickets).=20

Seriously! Get your buns there if it is at all possible. You'll be=20
telling your grandkids about it someday. Think you're a looper?
Go see the master of the craft.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Ari=
al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Dominic, et al,<BR>
<BR>
I have been familiar with Andre's music since I attended <BR>
his senior recital at Cal Arts almost a decade or more ago<BR>
(gosh time flies). God strike me dead if his playing and<BR>
general concept wasn't as stunning (and very nearly as <BR>
advanced) then as it is now. I have learned a lot more<BR>
from 30 minutes watching the guy than he'll ever know. <BR>
<BR>
He's brilliant -- and if you're anywhere within 250 miles <BR>
of this gig you really owe it to yourself to go. I'm up in Oregon <BR>
and am sorely, sorely tempted to cash in my frequent flyer <BR>
miles on this one (the wife would kill me though, as we've <BR>
got summer vacation plans for those tickets). <BR>
<BR>
Seriously! Get your buns there if it is at all possible. You'll be <BR>
telling your grandkids about it someday. Think you're a looper?<BR>
Go see the master of the craft.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
2"></FONT></HTML>
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The real question is whether or not the QV processes in stereo or 
simply sums the input to mono. If the latter, the second way makes a 
lot more sense to me. Using the aux will allow the user to put 
effects on any of the channels in any amount desired rather than 
having a global amount on everything all the time.

So, the other real question is: What do you have going into the mixer?

Edwin






At 8:26 AM -0800 3/18/05, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>It depends on how much crucial stereo information is coming from your
>source, because all that will be lost if you use the Aux send.  I'd
>suggest recording the stereo output of whatever you're using and then
>running it back into the mixer and do an a/b test with the QV in both
>points in the signal chain and see if it makes a significant
>difference to your ears.
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:55 -0000, Stephen Goodman
><spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
>>  Hi Folks,
>>
>>  Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't answer.
>>
>>  I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here:
>>
>>  1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>>      -> QuadraVerb (L/R)
>>      -> Line-in (PC)
>>
>>  or
>>
>>  2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono)
>>      -> QuadraVerb (mono)
>>      -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out
>>      -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R)
>>      -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>>      -> Line-in (PC)
>>


-- 

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
http://www.indra.com/~edwin
http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services

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From: "Edwin Hurwitz" <edwin@indra.com>
| The real question is whether or not the QV processes in stereo or
| simply sums the input to mono. If the latter, the second way makes a
| lot more sense to me. Using the aux will allow the user to put
| effects on any of the channels in any amount desired rather than
| having a global amount on everything all the time.
|
| So, the other real question is: What do you have going into the mixer?

1 - Shure SM57
2 - Mini-cassette recorder
3-4 - Empty
5 - Stereo L of Zoom 2100 #1
6 - Stereo R of Zoom 2100 #1
7 - Stereo L of Zoom 2100 #2
8 - Stereo R of Zoom 2100 #2
9-12 Empty
Aux 1 Out - DDS 7.6 "Time Machine" Input
Aux 1 In L - DDS 7.6 "Time Machine" Mix Out
Aux 1 In R - DDS 7.6 "Time Machine" (either Dry or Phase Out)

I am beginning to suspect that approach #2 with the QV on Aux 2 would be
good only if I wanted to use a variable amount of effect from the QV on
different tracks, while concurrently capturing through the mixer.

Is the lightbulb coming on for me, if a bit dimly here? :)



|
| Edwin
|
|
|
|
|
|
| At 8:26 AM -0800 3/18/05, Travis Hartnett wrote:
| >It depends on how much crucial stereo information is coming from your
| >source, because all that will be lost if you use the Aux send.  I'd
| >suggest recording the stereo output of whatever you're using and then
| >running it back into the mixer and do an a/b test with the QV in both
| >points in the signal chain and see if it makes a significant
| >difference to your ears.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:55 -0000, Stephen Goodman
| ><spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
| >>  Hi Folks,
| >>
| >>  Here's a question even the leprachauns and the squirrels couldn't
answer.
| >>
| >>  I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb
here:
| >>
| >>  1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
| >>      -> QuadraVerb (L/R)
| >>      -> Line-in (PC)
| >>
| >>  or
| >>
| >>  2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono)
| >>      -> QuadraVerb (mono)
| >>      -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out
| >>      -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R)
| >>      -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
| >>      -> Line-in (PC)
| >>
|
|
| -- 
|
| Edwin Hurwitz
| Boulder CO
| http://www.indra.com/~edwin
| http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services
|
|
|
|
|

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yes, I have applecare. but my reading of the fine print is that 
customer stupidity/abuse is not covered!

On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:25 AM, mike feeney wrote:

> Eek!
>
> Do you have Applecare, by chance?  If so, I'd suggest
> going that route...
>
> Mike
>
> --- Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
>> ok. it was inevitable.
>>
>> i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12" powerbook.
>> it only fell a few
>> feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is it
>> mangled! the
>> aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see into
>> the chassis
>> because the seams don't match up.
>>
>> my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and
>> doesn't look nearly as
>> bad.
>>
>> does anyone have any leads on how to repair such a
>> thing without
>> voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up
>> the looping list so
>> feel free to reply off-list.
>>
>> fiddlesticks!
>>
>> z
>>
>>
>
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i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the footprint 
of my rack. the computer, and tiny preamp sit on top. the preamp, and 
nearly every piece of gear i own, is covered in industrial stick-on 
velcro (this stuff is great!) . ironically, the the computer is not 
because, erp, I didn't want to "ruin" it! So after yesterday's incident 
methinks that the bottom of the computer could be covered in velcro and 
stuck onto the velcro top of the rack. Just a few strips would do it, 
to allow for cooling.

On Mar 18, 2005, at 6:56 AM, mike feeney wrote:

>
> Since there are several of us that use laptops in our
> music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure
> the laptop during a show, or do you just find a
> convenient table to put your gear on?  I also have a
> small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's
> reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on
> a stand of some kind for convenience.
>
> Anyone know of something that works for this type of
> thing?
>
> This is feeling familiar to me.  Did I already ask
> this question?  =)  Sorry, if so.
>
> Mike
>
>
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bumpers. we need rubber bumpers.

the separate looping machine is a good idea. a friend of mine who 
projects his animated artwork regularly at events (www.spotworks.com 
and www.electricsheep.org), created a sexy little computer brick (with 
handles!) that contains his runs his software. i'll ask him what it 
is...

On Mar 18, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> Yeah--but I always have my laptop at a height greater than 36" from
> the ground when I'm performing.  Do you have any links for really
> rugged laptops?
>
>
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:59:44 -0800, Sean Echevarria
> <sean.loop@creepingfog.com> wrote:
>> http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html
>>
>> At 2005.03.18 04:13 AM, samba - wrote:
>>>  There are laptops the US military uses that are spzed to be able to
>>> withstand  anything up to a direct hit.
>>
>>
>
>
>

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On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:

> i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the footprint 
> of my rack.

and where did you find this table, if i may be so bold as to ask?
i've been on the lookout for awhile for a small, somewhat low
(i generally perform seated) table that i can have my laptop
and/or effects boxes within easy hands reach.
thanks
bruce


bruce tovsky
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On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:56, mike feeney wrote:

>
> Since there are several of us that use laptops in our
> music rigs, do you have stands upon which you secure
> the laptop during a show, or do you just find a
> convenient table to put your gear on?  I also have a
> small non-rack mixer that I like to have at arm's
> reach onstage sometimes, and I'd love to have that on
> a stand of some kind for convenience.
>
> Anyone know of something that works for this type of
> thing?


I usually put it as safe as possible; a big table by my side or I'll 
hide it behind something. Because I have a midi foot pedal board I 
don't need to see the screen all the time. However, I need to reach a 
hand manipulated midi mixer/interface (either a UC-33 or a 
MicroKontrol). These I usually put on a chair close to me or, if there 
is a table I put it there with the laptop. I try to set the system up 
in a way that I have foot buttons or midi mixer buttons for everything 
I need to do in software.

Last week I was watching a duo perform and one of the guy had put his 
Dell laptop on a floor tom. When they started playing the bass rumble 
had the tom resonating and the computer slid off and hit the floor. It 
crashed on the first downbeat of a new bar and the music stopped in a 
way that could have been arranged that way. But the concert was over.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
---
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http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
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I got it last year at Bed, Bath and....BEYOND. $9.99

On Mar 18, 2005, at 11:27 AM, bruce tovsky wrote:

>
> On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
>
>> i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the footprint 
>> of my rack.
>
> and where did you find this table, if i may be so bold as to ask?
> i've been on the lookout for awhile for a small, somewhat low
> (i generally perform seated) table that i can have my laptop
> and/or effects boxes within easy hands reach.
> thanks
> bruce
>
>
> bruce tovsky
> www.skeletonhome.com
>
>
>

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hey, now that's a deal any musician would love...
thanks for the tip.
bruce

On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:

> I got it last year at Bed, Bath and....BEYOND. $9.99
>
> On Mar 18, 2005, at 11:27 AM, bruce tovsky wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
>>
>>> i have a small, portable, fold-up table that is exactly the 
>>> footprint of my rack.
>>
>> and where did you find this table, if i may be so bold as to ask?
>> i've been on the lookout for awhile for a small, somewhat low
>> (i generally perform seated) table that i can have my laptop
>> and/or effects boxes within easy hands reach.
>> thanks
>> bruce
>>
>>
>> bruce tovsky
>> www.skeletonhome.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
bruce tovsky
www.skeletonhome.com

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> Think you're a looper?
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stephen.....i have a mackie 1202 vlz and an alesis QUADRAVERB 2 (Q2).....i 
have the Q2 in AUX SEND 1 and out of the Q2 back into the STEREO AUX 
RETURN.....i go out of THE MAIN OUT of my mackie to usb to computer.....the 2nd. aux send 
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In a message dated 3/18/05 10:09:49 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:


> I use one of those
> OnStage music stands
> 

travis.....i was thinking this exactly and also like zoe lots of 
velcro.....how hard to drill thru these stands to put wires thru?.....this way i could not 
only stand and play but the masses will be able to see me turning knobs and 
pushing buttons.....i'm off to the store

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It's thin metal, it'd be quite easy to drill through.  I used to keep
a groove box and a sampler on one and you could easily adjust them to
the necessary height for standing or sitting while playing.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:49:18 EST, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
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Hi loopies,
I have been lucky enough to see Andre play four times--I missed the Giants
of Looping tour with Walker, Manring and Lawson tho 8(
He is certainly the best at what he does!  And I wish him luck tonight . . .
He is certainly putting on a "looping show", and I hope to read about it in
People magazine and see him on Entertainment Tonight.
If there is a lesson to be learned from him (and the other gentlemen I
mentioned), it might be to "know your tools" and then forget about them--and
the rules . . .
What does it take to be a looper?  My litmus test is, does most of your
"stage time" involve the use of a looping recorder or delay with enough time
to satisfy your requirements--
If you do it on one song in a set, and that one song is mostly looping, that
is a "looping song"--
But that was not a "looping set", hence you are not a looper, although you
might be a "looping artist".
I love these tags, but they are arbitrary--I would go see Andre even if he
wasn't using an Echoplex--he is a musician, and that's all any of us can
aspire to be.
Gary


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From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
stephen.....i have a mackie 1202 vlz and an alesis QUADRAVERB 2 (Q2).....i
have the Q2 in AUX SEND 1 and out of the Q2 back into the STEREO AUX
RETURN.....i go out of THE MAIN OUT of my mackie to usb to computer.....the
2nd. aux send goes to my looping stuff and then back into the mackie.....mk

I think I'm going to have to play with it over the weekend and see which
config I like best.  Because I have been used to using the QV as a
post-mixer processor, it'll be interesting.  I'm sure each has their own
advantages... Though on thinking about this it might be even more useful to
have a QV-like device put on Aux 2, and really exploit this setup. :)

Stephen Goodman
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:13:07AM -0800, Zoe Keating wrote:
> yes, I have applecare. but my reading of the fine print is that 
> customer stupidity/abuse is not covered!

	Yup. I dropped my powerbook and did similar damage. The
way to fix it and not void your warrantly seems to be to take
it to an apple store and pay a large amount to get it fixed.
Applecare seems to just extend the original warrantly, which
apparenlty doesn't cover accidents.


Adrian
http://www.phasmatodea.net

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At 4:05 PM +0000 3/18/05, Stephen Goodman wrote:

>I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here:
>
>1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>     -> QuadraVerb (L/R)
>     -> Line-in (PC)
>
>or
>
>2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono)
>     -> QuadraVerb (mono)
>     -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out
>     -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R)
>     -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>     -> Line-in (PC)

It appears that the Quadraverb inputs are summed before being 
processed, so no stereo information would be lost by using a mono Aux 
send.

Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than 
channel inputs?
-- 

______________________________________________________________
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Yeah, that's what I'm leaning toward.  I looked at a
bunch of equipment stands on musiciansfriend.com
today, and didn't think I'd feel safe with a piece of
equipment that costs over 2 grand strapped to a metal
stick in the air on wheels.  =)  I believe that all my
controls will be midi via my keyboard (with a bunch of
assignable knobs and faders) and my foot pedal.  

Thanks!
Mike


--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:

> I usually put it as safe as possible; a big table by
> my side or I'll 
> hide it behind something. Because I have a midi foot
> pedal board I 
> don't need to see the screen all the time. However,
> I need to reach a 
> hand manipulated midi mixer/interface (either a
> UC-33 or a 
> MicroKontrol). These I usually put on a chair close
> to me or, if there 
> is a table I put it there with the laptop. I try to
> set the system up 
> in a way that I have foot buttons or midi mixer
> buttons for everything 
> I need to do in software.
> 
> Last week I was watching a duo perform and one of
> the guy had put his 
> Dell laptop on a floor tom. When they started
> playing the bass rumble 
> had the tom resonating and the computer slid off and
> hit the floor. It 
> crashed on the first downbeat of a new bar and the
> music stopped in a 
> way that could have been arranged that way. But the
> concert was over.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> 
> 
> 

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I read that today myself (looked it up out of
curiosity).  I have a feeling that if you found a
compassionate technician at an Apple store, they'd
help you as much as possible though.

Just a thought...

Mike

--- Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> yes, I have applecare. but my reading of the fine
> print is that 
> customer stupidity/abuse is not covered!
> 
> On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:25 AM, mike feeney wrote:
> 
> > Eek!
> >
> > Do you have Applecare, by chance?  If so, I'd
> suggest
> > going that route...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> >> ok. it was inevitable.
> >>
> >> i dropped my new Ableton Live-running 12"
> powerbook.
> >> it only fell a few
> >> feet and it seems to work fine, but boy oh boy is
> it
> >> mangled! the
> >> aluminum is all bent out of shape and i can see
> into
> >> the chassis
> >> because the seams don't match up.
> >>
> >> my 65 year old cello has been through worse, and
> >> doesn't look nearly as
> >> bad.
> >>
> >> does anyone have any leads on how to repair such
> a
> >> thing without
> >> voiding your warranty. i don't want to clutter up
> >> the looping list so
> >> feel free to reply off-list.
> >>
> >> fiddlesticks!
> >>
> >> z
> >>
> >>
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How about if it were on a strap around your neck?


On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:01:49 -0800 (PST), mike feeney
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> Yeah, that's what I'm leaning toward.  I looked at a
> bunch of equipment stands on musiciansfriend.com
> today, and didn't think I'd feel safe with a piece of
> equipment that costs over 2 grand strapped to a metal
> stick in the air on wheels.  =)

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In a message dated 3/18/05 6:50:26 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


> Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than
> channel inputs?
> 
> 
it frees up one of the 1202's limited channels.....the Q2 functions both pre 
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     Hey gang,

     I've posted some MP3's from last nights improv session.  Any feedback (and I do mean any...)
is welcome.  Kurzweil PC2X with Emu Proteus 2500, paired with a Yamaha WX5 wind controller with
VL70 sound module.  Full complement of Electrix modules including our favorite, the legendary
Repeater...

     Get it while it's hot out of the oven...

     http://sohl.com/Improvisations/cassini%20division/

           Stephen


		
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At 3:45 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>At 4:05 PM +0000 3/18/05, Stephen Goodman wrote:
>
>>I've got two options to set the Mackie 1202vlz up with the QuadraVerb here:
>>
>>1. Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>>     -> QuadraVerb (L/R)
>>     -> Line-in (PC)
>>
>>or
>>
>>2. Mackie Aux2 Out (mono)
>>     -> QuadraVerb (mono)
>>     -> QuadraVerb (L/R) Out
>>     -> Mackie Aux2 Return (L/R)
>>     -> Mackie Main Outs (L/R)
>>     -> Line-in (PC)
>
>It appears that the Quadraverb inputs are summed before being 
>processed, so no stereo information would be lost by using a mono 
>Aux send.
>
>Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than 
>channel inputs?
>--


I like using channels if they are available because of the eq and 
flexibility in routing. If your channels are all used up, then aux 
returns are fine.


Just my 02c.

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At 7:22 PM -0500 3/18/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

>>Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than
>>channel inputs?
>
>it frees up one of the 1202's limited channels.....the Q2 functions 
>both pre and post loop this way.....now you got me wondering!

I always return effects through input channels because I like to send 
one effect to another  But I never have fewer than 16 channels so 
it's not an economy issue.

It has always frustrated me that smaller mixers automatically have 
fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a 1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes and 
would happily give up EQ to have them.


BTW - A friend of mine recently bought one of the little Yamaha 
mixers because its mic channels have inserts. Does anyone know of 
other small (10-12 input) mixers that have inserts?
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At 5:26 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>At 7:22 PM -0500 3/18/05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>
>>>Is there a reason to return its outputs to Aux returns rather than
>>>channel inputs?
>>
>>it frees up one of the 1202's limited channels.....the Q2 functions 
>>both pre and post loop this way.....now you got me wondering!
>
>I always return effects through input channels because I like to 
>send one effect to another  But I never have fewer than 16 channels 
>so it's not an economy issue.
>
>It has always frustrated me that smaller mixers automatically have 
>fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a 1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes and 
>would happily give up EQ to have them.
>
>BTW - A friend of mine recently bought one of the little Yamaha 
>mixers because its mic channels have inserts. Does anyone know of 
>other small (10-12 input) mixers that have inserts?
>--


The Mackie 1202 does have inserts on the mic inputs (at least, mine 
does). I also have been looking into a soundcraft folio mixer that 
has 8 mic inputs, each of which has an insert.


HTH
Edwin
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Hi LD,

Sorry for OT..

A gig information:

25th (Fri) March 2005
patchware on demand @ Apple Store Shinsaibashi (Osaka)

Navigator : Kenichi Itoi (PsysEx) http://www.shrine.jp/
Guest :Sunao Inami (CAVE Studio,C.U.E.) http://www.cavestudio.com

7PM, Free

Contacts:
Apple Store Shinsaibashi (Osaka)
06-4963-4500
http://www.apple.com/jp/retail/shinsaibashi/

Related info:
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?eventsdb_us

  Thanks

  Sunao Inami
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Just saw an amazing film: The Story of the Weeping Camel
It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in 
simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in 
rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the 
desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and then 
go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged 
make-believe.

http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html

In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: yurts, 
Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth to 
a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come 
and perform the reuniting ritual...

dc

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David,

I must agree. That was a very unexpected, simple, moving story.
I rented and watched the DVD from the local independent video=20
shop late last month. It was great! I wanna go live in Mongolia=20
now.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">David,<BR>
<BR>
I must agree. That was a very unexpected, simple, moving story.<BR>
I rented and watched the DVD from the local independent video <BR>
shop late last month. It was great! I wanna go live in Mongolia <BR>
now.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Helvetica" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=
=3D"2">Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."</FONT><=
FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
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I saw this movie last year. Very nice.

-- 
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Hi,
sorry to bring up this off-topic long shot, but anyway:

I need schematics to the Behringer Eurorack MX2642A mixer.

If anyone happens to have this, or schematics to some other mid-sized 
Behringer mixer, please contact me personally off-list.

Thank you!  :-)


/M

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>From Craigslist SF
<zatinv@yahoo.com>
I hold U.S. Patent # 6,657,112 for an electric guitar innovation which could 
be worth millions. It's not for everyone, it works for people who like to 
play with effects - tremolo, wah, whammy, etc. In a preferred application I 
have taken a Roland Expression pedal and placed it in such a position that a 
twist of the neck activates the effect - whatever effect the performer 
wants. Caught you by surprise didn't I! Guitar necks don't twist in relation 
to the body. That is the innovation for which I was awarded the patent. But 
it wouldn't do anything (except look so strange that it floors people - and 
there is some merit in this) without placing a potentiometer at this 
junction, and this is also covered in the patent. This could operate effects 
like tremolo, but the real value will be the unlimited effects that can 
usually be run by the expression pedal. Therefore, I am seeking a master 
guitarist who regularly uses an expression pedal and has the necessary midis 
(or whatever) to demonstrate this effect. You would have to seriously 
practice with my prototype and master the technique by January, when we will 
show the invention at the Namm show in Los Angeles. I will pay the 
exorbitant fee for a small booth in the innovations section of the show, and 
you will sit there and play the guitar and generate interest until the 
guitar manufacturers fall all over themselves offering us big money to 
license or buy out the patent. You will have to be very good and 
accomplished to get their attention, but that's why you are starting out as 
a master and will be spending about 10 hrs a week practicing.

For your trouble in all this, I am offering 15% of the patent rights. This 
is in the form of a patent assignment, and is an airtight method by which 
you own 15% of any and all royalties and proceeds. Check this all out with 
the U.S.P.T.O. at the toll free number: 1-800-786-9199; and, or see their 
web site at: www.uspto.gov. You will get no money up front. You will have to 
cover your own travel, accommodations, etc. at the trade show. You will get 
the assignment even if no one buys our patent at the time, as long as you 
have mastered and play the instrument well at the show. If years later I get 
some one to license or buy the patent, you will still get 15% of the 
proceeds. If you are not able to show reasonable progress within a short 
time, I will have to find a different person because I can't spend the 
thousands of dollars on the Namm booth if we cannot make a good 
presentation. So only contact me if you are serious and can commit to the 
practice time. You must provide the amps and midis (or whatever) that the 
guitar and expression pedal need - but you already have these or you 
wouldn't be answering this add. A plus if you have musical degrees from 
accredited schools. A plus if you are versed in Blues. A plus if you are 
with a working band and perform regularly. [Before long, I suspect that you 
could play this guitar during some of your bands set (the instrument is a 
beautiful Carvin and naturally plays like a dream when the twist effect is 
not engaged) and skyrocket your bands popularity by virtue of the novelty; 
all the while practicing and mastering the effect.] Get back to me through 
this e-mail address, or (better) call. GZ - 415-669-7837


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A few unusual shows this week, including one playing electric guitar in 
a full-band context in the David Bavas Band (Thursday) and acoustic 
guitar with him at Tacoma's finest music cafe (next Saturday, followed 
by a set of me solo):

March 19, Saturday, 7-10PM Orrapin's Thai Bistro (Queen Anne Ave. N.)
March 20, Sunday, 11AM Penny Cafe (1701 NW Market Street)
*March 24, Thursday, 6-9PM Mercer Island Art (2729 78th Ave. E., Mercer 
Island)
*March 24, Thursday, 10PM Showbox Green Room (lead guitar in David 
Bavas Band)
March 25, Friday, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N)
*March 26, Saturday, 8-10PM Mandolin Cafe (3923 S. 12th Street, Tacoma)


Be seeing you,

Travis


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Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue -

I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the
graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion.
http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have
MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set
up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to
controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two
expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in
Plogue.

However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the
processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible
with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be
able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a
keyboard key to activate it or change presets.  

Kris


>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM
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>>ProTools would get constant
>>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings.
>>    
>
> From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
>much better latency than Pro-Tools.
>
>Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use.
>It's designed for live work.
>
>
>Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the 
>dinosaurs.
>
>andy butler
>
>
>
>  
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I use Bidule, but don't know the answer to your question, unfortunately.
But, try sending your question to the Plogue/Bidule users list, on the
Plogue site. The Plogue guys are great, and usually answer questions very
quickly.

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Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue -

I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the
graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion.
http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have
MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set
up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to
controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two
expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in
Plogue.

However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the
processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible
with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be
able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a
keyboard key to activate it or change presets.

Kris


>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM
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>Subject: laptop latency

>>ProTools would get constant
>>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings.
>>
>
> From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
>much better latency than Pro-Tools.
>
>Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use.
>It's designed for live work.
>
>
>Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the
>dinosaurs.
>
>andy butler
>
>
>
>
>




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dear Kris,

KH> Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue -

KH> I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the
KH> graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion.
KH> http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

KH> Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have
KH> MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set
KH> up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to
KH> controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two
KH> expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in
KH> Plogue.

KH> However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the
KH> processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible
KH> with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be
KH> able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a
KH> keyboard key to activate it or change presets.  

KH> Kris

what you want is possible with Bidule. I do the same. I have setup
Bidule for the use of some effects (actually chains of effects) that I
can switch on or off by my midi pedal and I control Mobius from the
same pedal. this is also possible with the computer keyboard.
Setting this up is not so easy and I can't explain it in a few words
as you need lots of "bidules" within bidule.
Maybe not many list members are interested in this topic so you can
contact me offline, and I can send you some bidule-groups to help you,
or we go to the plogue forum, where other people may look for the same
advises.

Matthias




>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: laptop latency

>>>ProTools would get constant
>>>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings.
>>>    
>>
>> From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
>>much better latency than Pro-Tools.
>>
>>Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use.
>>It's designed for live work.
>>
>>
>>Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the 
>>dinosaurs.
>>
>>andy butler
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>




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On Mar 20, 2005, at 2:48, Kris Hartung wrote:

> However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change 
> the
> processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible
> with Plogue?

> Kris

Hi Kris,

Last time I downloaded Bidule there was a html manual bundled. On my OS 
X version it's inside the application folder, in a folder named "help".


>  I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be
> able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a
> keyboard key to activate it or change presets.

Another method that many laptop musician use, opposed to calling up 
plug-in settings by midi program change,  is to open many instances of 
the plugin on the same audi channel of the host application. Then map 
computer keyboard buttons or foot pedal buttons to mute or un-mute the 
plug-ins. Each instance of the plug-in should of course be pre-loaded 
with a unique patch setting.

Over here I like using Live 4 as the host application. Live has a good 
system of mapping any incoming midi (AND computer keyboard button 
stroke) to both its own parameters as well as any parameter of a 
plug-in. Check the Bidule manual to see if it has something similar!

BTW, I have noticed that every time I answer one of your LD posts, the 
mail is sent to your private address. If you don't like it that way you 
may change this in your e-mail client settings for "auto reply to".

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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> Maybe not many list members are interested in this topic so you can
> contact me offline.
should be "offlist" ;-)

Bidule is just made to do these things. If you use an audioswitcher to
control where you signal goes, you can link the output parameter to
the "mode"-parameter of all plugins in a chain and they switch off
automatically when you don't need them. So I am able to host about 60
plugins and mobius at the same time and they only start to process
when I need them.
My footpedal send only program changes but within Bidule I can make
them have a toogle behaviour. I also have two buttons set up to have
different functions when I double click them within an adjustable
time. So I can have Reset on one press, and Global reset on two
presses.
Since Bidule 8.0 the MIDI capabilities are endless.

regards,
Matthias

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I've done similar things by using a freeware program called MIDI-OX for 
data mapping, and it's keyboard interface. Worked OK for me, although it 
isn't the most user-friendly program IMO.

Jacob

Kris Hartung wrote:

>Hi Andy, or anyone using Plogue -
>
>I installed this program the other day....very cool. I love the
>graphical interface...much more appealing than AudioMulch in my opinion.
>http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
>
>Anyway, I'm still grappling with the MIDI control thing now that I have
>MIDI Mate....I don't know why it is so damn complicated to get this set
>up, but what I would like to do is get a Berhinger MIDI controller to
>controll the Mobius looper (with the buttons), and then use the the two
>expression pedals to control effect parameters for VSTs I have loaded in
>Plogue.
>
>However, what I'd like to do is switch VST preset patches and change the
>processing mode of each VST on my notebook keyboard. Is this possible
>with Plogue? I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be
>able to have several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a
>keyboard key to activate it or change presets.  
>
>Kris
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:10 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: laptop latency
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>ProTools would get constant
>>>buffer errors, even with high buffer settings.
>>>   
>>>      
>>>
>>From comparisons on pc, Plogue Bidule gives
>>much better latency than Pro-Tools.
>>
>>Bidule is incredibly flexible, and easy to use.
>>It's designed for live work.
>>
>>
>>Generally, the smaller hosts will give better performance than the 
>>dinosaurs.
>>
>>andy butler
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>

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Greetings fellow loopers,
     I have a question for you which may have been addressed in the past. I 
tried searching the list archives for the answer to my question before 
bothering everyone but that turned out to be a waste of time. So here we go. 
I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary in order to drive two 
amplifiers at once. What I am curious about is whether it is possible for me 
to send the loop signal from my boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the 
same time using my 4x10 to drive my lead signal. My reason for doing this is 
to cut down on some of the increased gain/distorted signal caused by playing 
over top of a musical sample through the same amp. I'm sure many of you have 
noticed that once you have more than two or three layers the sound is 
affected to a significant degree. So even if my two amp idea is unworkable, 
if any one had any suggestions for me in improving my sound your ideas are 
welcome. Thanks, take care all.
-Andy


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> Hi Kris,

> Last time I downloaded Bidule there was a html manual bundled. On my
OS 
X version it's inside the application folder, in a folder named "help".

Tried that...it doesn't provide enough details on how to use the
keystroke bidule.  I'm going to exchange some email with Mathias, who
seems to have this Bidule thing down. I sent him a basic layout file. I
am gathering that by inserting and connecting the keystroke and audio
switcher bidules in some fashion, this can be accomplished. 


>  I don't see any settings that allow this. I'd like to be able to have

> several VST effects loaded in Plogue, and then hit a keyboard key to 
> activate it or change presets.

> Another method that many laptop musician use, opposed to calling up 
plug-in settings by midi program change,  is to open many instances of 
the plugin on the same audi channel of the host application. Then map 
computer keyboard buttons or foot pedal buttons to mute or un-mute the 
plug-ins. Each instance of the plug-in should of course be pre-loaded 
with a unique patch setting.

This would work, but would be extremely processor straining. One thing I
like about Bidule is that you can truly bipass (vs. mute) a vst plugin
so that it doesn't hog processing power. But essentially, I'm trying to
do what you describe above, but bipassing the plugin with the keyboard
rather than muting it. So you have the right idea here. 

> Over here I like using Live 4 as the host application. Live has a good

system of mapping any incoming midi (AND computer keyboard button 
stroke) to both its own parameters as well as any parameter of a 
plug-in. Check the Bidule manual to see if it has something similar!

It does...I'm just not experienced enough with Bidule to understand how
to do it yet!  :)

> BTW, I have noticed that every time I answer one of your LD posts, the

mail is sent to your private address. If you don't like it that way you 
may change this in your e-mail client settings for "auto reply to".

I can't figure out how to chance this. I found no such setting on my
internet provider site under email settings. I am using MS Outlook for
email, and I did not find this setting in that program either. I'll keep
on looing. One thing that others can do is to reply to all, then they
should see both my email and looper's delight...maybe.

Kris

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Do you mean have the loops coming out of one amp, and your "live" sound 
coming out of the other?

An A/B switch or any stereo pedal will let you do this. Just plug your 
guitar into the pedal/switch/whatever, and put on output into your 
boomerang/amp, and the other straight into an amp.

An A/B switch isn't NEEDED to run two amps. It is needed if you want to 
be able to select what amp/combination of amps you want on at any given 
time.

"My reason for doing this is to cut down on some of the increased 
gain/distorted signal caused by playing over top of a musical sample 
through the same amp."

Get an amp with more headroom!

Jacob

Andy Morris wrote:

> Greetings fellow loopers,
>     I have a question for you which may have been addressed in the 
> past. I tried searching the list archives for the answer to my 
> question before bothering everyone but that turned out to be a waste 
> of time. So here we go. I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary 
> in order to drive two amplifiers at once. What I am curious about is 
> whether it is possible for me to send the loop signal from my 
> boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the same time using my 4x10 
> to drive my lead signal. My reason for doing this is to cut down on 
> some of the increased gain/distorted signal caused by playing over top 
> of a musical sample through the same amp. I'm sure many of you have 
> noticed that once you have more than two or three layers the sound is 
> affected to a significant degree. So even if my two amp idea is 
> unworkable, if any one had any suggestions for me in improving my 
> sound your ideas are welcome. Thanks, take care all.
> -Andy
>
>
>

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Well, for those of you who may recall, I was having glitching/skipping with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz Celeron) running XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous system usage. 
 
I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the problem, so I "upgraded" to a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The glitching is 10 times worse when I plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. Why?
 
Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, and the glitching occurs when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went out and bought two sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess what... It still glitches just as much. 
 
Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may have problems with interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I noticed today that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some static and radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this normal? I did plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes a difference. 
 
I just can't figure what it might be. If the wiring of the computer is in fact the problem, than 1. why does the glitching still occur with the PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur even when running off of the battery? 
 
Again, any help would be great.
-Devin 

		
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<DIV>Well, for those of you who may recall, I was having glitching/skipping with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz Celeron) running XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous system usage. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the problem, so I "upgraded" to a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The glitching is 10 times worse when I plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. Why?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, and the glitching occurs when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went out and bought two sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess what... It still glitches just as much. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may have problems with interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I noticed today that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some static and radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this normal? I did plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes a difference. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I just can't figure what it might be.&nbsp;If the&nbsp;wiring of the computer&nbsp;is in fact the problem, than 1. why does the glitching still occur with the PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur even when running off of the battery?&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Again, any help would be great.</DIV>
<DIV>-Devin&nbsp;</DIV><p>
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At 4:57 PM +0000 3/20/05, Andy Morris wrote:

>I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary in order to drive two 
>amplifiers at once.

This is not strictly true. You can drive multiple amplifiers simply 
by splitting the signal and routing each leg of the signal to a 
different amp. All the A/B switch does is to allow you to switch 
between two amplifiers in a convenient manner, so rather than an A/B 
switch allowing you to drive two amplifiers at once, it really allows 
you to drive two amplifiers in alternation.

>What I am curious about is whether it is possible for me to send the 
>loop signal from my boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the 
>same time using my 4x10 to drive my lead signal.

Of course. Just split the guitar signal and send one leg to the 
Boomerang and the other to the 4x0. Then patch the output of the 
Boomerang directly to the 2x12.

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<div>At 4:57 PM +0000 3/20/05, Andy Morris wrote:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I'm well aware that an a/b switch is
necessary in order to drive two amplifiers at once.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>This is not strictly true. You can drive multiple amplifiers
simply by splitting the signal and routing each leg of the signal to a
different amp. All the A/B switch does is to allow you to switch<i>
between</i> two amplifiers in a convenient manner, so rather than an
A/B switch allowing you to drive two amplifiers<i> at once</i>, it
really allows you to drive two amplifiers<i> in alternation</i>.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>What I am curious about is whether it is
possible for me to send the loop signal from my boomerang to a smaller
2x12 amp while at the same time using my 4x10 to drive my lead
signal.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Of course. Just split the guitar signal and send one leg to the
Boomerang and the other to the 4x0. Then patch the output of the
Boomerang directly to the 2x12.</div>
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At 5:26 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:

>It has always frustrated me that smaller mixers automatically have 
>fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a 1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes

I've found a partial solution to this problem in the Shure AuxPander 
($398 list).

http://www.shure.com/mixers/models/auxpander.asp

This is "an insertable, 8 x 8 analog mixing matrix designed to expand 
the auxiliary output capabilities of any standard mixing console." 
When Shure says "insertable" they mean this both in a general and a 
literal sense. The AuxPander can be patched directly to the insert 
jacks of a console using an 8-channel TRS snake, or you can figure 
out creative alternatives if your mixer lacks insert jacks. The 
AuxPander also has its own set of Inserts (where you can patch your 
effects units) as well as separate bus Outputs.

You can treat the AuxPander as eight mono auxiliary sends or as four 
stereo auxiliaries. The unit is "expandable both horizontally (16x8) 
and/or vertically (8x16)."

When I described the AuxPander as a "partial solution" my 
reservations were based on 1) the size of the unit (175mm H x 330mm W 
x 218mm D, or 6-7/8 x 13 x 8-9/16 inches, or 4U high) and 2) that 
patching into the mixer's inserts means that these extra auxiliaries 
will all be Pre-fader.

For those who "play" their mixers and effects and prefer to control 
the signal path manually it's still worth consideration. For 
instance, a small mixer such as a Mackie 1202 could be set up with 
four source inputs (either mic or line in) and eight effects inputs 
(four stereo effects, perhaps). Those first four channels might be a 
guitar, and EDP, and two channels of Repeater, for instance.  And 
don't forget that the AuxPander adds eight auxiliaries onto what you 
already have, so the Mackie 1202 still has its Pre-fader and 
Post-fader Auxes available.

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<div>At 5:26 PM -0800 3/18/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>It has always frustrated me that smaller
mixers automatically have fewer Aux sends. I'd love to have a
1202-size mixer with 4 Auxes</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>I've found a partial solution to this problem in the Shure
AuxPander ($398 list).</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote>http://www.shure.com/mixers/models/auxpander.asp</blockquote
>
<div><br></div>
<div>This is &quot;an insertable, 8 x 8 analog mixing matrix designed
to expand the auxiliary output capabilities of any standard mixing
console.&quot;&nbsp; When Shure says &quot;insertable&quot; they mean
this both in a general and a literal sense. The AuxPander can be
patched directly to the insert jacks of a console using an 8-channel
TRS snake, or you can figure out creative alternatives if your mixer
lacks insert jacks. The AuxPander also has its own set of Inserts
(where you can patch your effects units) as well as separate bus
Outputs.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You can treat the AuxPander as eight mono auxiliary sends or as
four stereo auxiliaries. The unit is &quot;expandable both
horizontally (16x8) and/or vertically (8x16).&quot;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>When I described the AuxPander as a &quot;partial solution&quot;
my reservations were based on 1) the size of the unit (175mm H x 330mm
W x 218mm D, or 6-7/8 x 13 x 8-9/16 inches, or 4U high) and 2) that
patching into the mixer's inserts means that these extra auxiliaries
will all be Pre-fader.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>For those who &quot;play&quot; their mixers and effects and
prefer to control the signal path manually it's still worth
consideration. For instance, a small mixer such as a Mackie 1202 could
be set up with four source inputs (either mic or line in) and eight
effects inputs (four stereo effects, perhaps). Those first four
channels might be a guitar, and EDP, and two channels of Repeater, for
instance.&nbsp; And don't forget that the AuxPander adds eight
auxiliaries onto what you already have, so the Mackie 1202 still has
its Pre-fader and Post-fader Auxes available.</div>
<div><br></div>
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hi richard,
thanks for your reply. i just wanted to shoot you a quick question before i 
made my next move. someone else replied saying that i could split my signal 
with any stereo pedal. is this true? the only stereo pedal i own right now 
is a line 6 floor delay. i figured i would need something else to split my 
guitar signal. if you don't mind taking a minute to tell me where to go from 
here and feel free to explain it to me as though i were 8. we're only 
talking about two inputs and two outputs here and i feel confused. sorry, 
thanks alot for your help. andy

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>At 4:57 PM +0000 3/20/05, Andy Morris wrote:
>
>>I'm well aware that an a/b switch is necessary in order to drive two 
>>amplifiers at once.
>
>This is not strictly true. You can drive multiple amplifiers simply by 
>splitting the signal and routing each leg of the signal to a different amp. 
>All the A/B switch does is to allow you to switch between two amplifiers in 
>a convenient manner, so rather than an A/B switch allowing you to drive two 
>amplifiers at once, it really allows you to drive two amplifiers in 
>alternation.
>
>>What I am curious about is whether it is possible for me to send the loop 
>>signal from my boomerang to a smaller 2x12 amp while at the same time 
>>using my 4x10 to drive my lead signal.
>
>Of course. Just split the guitar signal and send one leg to the Boomerang 
>and the other to the 4x0. Then patch the output of the Boomerang directly 
>to the 2x12.
>
>--
>
>______________________________________________________________
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At 4:19 AM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote:

>someone else replied saying that i could split my signal with any 
>stereo pedal. is this true?

As a general answer I'd say, "No, you can't necessarily split a 
signal with any stereo pedal."  What kind of stereo pedal?

The simplest way to split a signal is with a "Y" adaptor or cable. 
This will work fine in most cases where you have one unbalanced 
line-level signal that needs to be split into two unbalanced 
line-level signals. If you need to split the signal into several 
duplicate signals, or if you are very fussy about the strength and 
quality of your signal you can also use an active splitter (such as 
the Behringer MX882 
<http://www.behringer.com/MX882/index.cfm?lang=ENG>, but this is 
really overkill for your situation.

You say you have a Line6 delay. I assume that is the DL4 Delay 
Modeler. This unit has two audio outputs, Left and Right. While you 
could patch one output to one amp and the other output to the 
Boomerang and thence to the other amp, this will probably not give 
you  the results you want. What will happen in this case is that the 
Left channel of the stereo output will go to the first amp and the 
Right channel of the stereo output will go to the Boomerang and the 
other amp. The results will be different depending on which effect 
setting  you are using.

I your original message you didn't say anything about using other 
effects. You mentioned a Boomerang and two amps, but now you say you 
also have a stereo delay. Do you have other effects devices as well? 
How are they connected? Are you looping the sound of your instrument 
with effects or is the looped signal a clean signal direct from the 
instrument? Do you use effects on the output of the Boomerang or does 
it go directly to the second amp?

I'm happy to explain techniques and to suggest possibilities, but the 
important first step is for you to be clear and complete in your 
explanation of your equipment and your intentions. This in turn must 
be based on a clear understanding of basic concepts and vocabulary 
such as:  mono versus stereo, series versus parallel connection, 
balanced versus unbalanced signal, splitting versus mixing a signal, 
etc.
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<div>At 4:19 AM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>someone else replied saying that i could
split my signal with any stereo pedal. is this true?</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>As a general answer I'd say, &quot;No, you can't necessarily
split a signal with<i> any</i> stereo pedal.&quot;&nbsp; What<i>
kind</i> of stereo pedal?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The simplest way to split a signal is with a &quot;Y&quot;
adaptor or cable. This will work fine in most cases where you have one
unbalanced line-level signal that needs to be split into two
unbalanced line-level signals. If you need to split the signal into
several duplicate signals, or if you are<i> very</i> fussy about the
strength and quality of your signal you can also use an active
splitter (such as the Behringer MX882
&lt;http://www.behringer.com/MX882/index.cfm?lang=ENG&gt;, but this is
really overkill for your situation.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You say you have a Line6 delay. I assume that is the DL4 Delay
Modeler. This unit has two audio outputs, Left and Right. While you
could patch one output to one amp and the other output to the
Boomerang and thence to the other amp, this will probably not give
you&nbsp; the results you want. What will happen in this case is that
the Left channel of the stereo output will go to the first amp and the
Right channel of the stereo output will go to the Boomerang and the
other amp. The results will be different depending on which effect
setting&nbsp; you are using.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I your original message you didn't say anything about using other
effects. You mentioned a Boomerang and two amps, but now you say you
also have a stereo delay. Do you have other effects devices as well?
How are they connected? Are you looping the sound of your
instrument<i> with</i> effects or is the looped signal a clean signal
direct from the instrument? Do you use effects on the output of the
Boomerang or does it go directly to the second amp?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm happy to explain techniques and to suggest possibilities, but
the important first step is for you to be clear and complete in your
explanation of your equipment and your intentions. This in turn must
be based on a clear understanding of basic concepts and vocabulary
such as:&nbsp; mono versus stereo, series versus parallel connection,
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On Mar 19, 2005, at 1:56, S V G wrote:

>      Hey gang,
>
>      I've posted some MP3's from last nights improv session.  Any 
> feedback (and I do mean any...)
> is welcome.  Kurzweil PC2X with Emu Proteus 2500, paired with a Yamaha 
> WX5 wind controller with
> VL70 sound module.  Full complement of Electrix modules including our 
> favorite, the legendary
> Repeater...
>
>      Get it while it's hot out of the oven...
>
>      http://sohl.com/Improvisations/cassini%20division/
>
>            Stephen


Thank you. Very refreshing listening! Great music.

The only thing I'm missing is a link for streaming all songs in a row. 
A "radio" link. I think (but I'm not sure, please correct me if I'm 
wrong) you set that up by making a plain text document including global 
links to all song files, and then save the document with the file 
extension ".m3u" (or was it ".pli"? you can easily try both and see 
which one works best). Then save that .m3u doc to the server and link 
to it from your web page (using "_blanc" to "open in new browser 
window").

Here's a link I found that might give some better info on setting up a 
playlist:
The M3U Playlist File Format
http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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sorry to be too vague originally. other than the boomerang and dl4 the 
effects are rather simple. all of the effects run before the boomerang in 
the chain and no effects are added to the boomerang's output. current setup 
is a fender deluxe strat > morley mono volume pedal > snarling dogs mold 
spore wah/ring modulator > ibanez ts9 deluxe tube screamer > dunlop jimi 
hendrix model crybaby > line 6 dl4 delay modeler (being ran mono right now) 
 > boomerang+ phrase sampler > '65 reissue Fender super reverb 4x10".
my exact intentions are for every sound that comes out of the boomerang to 
be transmitted by a seperate 2x12" combo and that amp only. my guitar should 
be sounding from the 4x10" combo only for a larger lead sound. both amps 
will run simultaneously so no a/b switch should be necessary. hopefully this 
makes everything a little clearer. thank you.

>From: Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com>
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>At 4:19 AM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote:
>
>>someone else replied saying that i could split my signal with any stereo 
>>pedal. is this true?
>
>As a general answer I'd say, "No, you can't necessarily split a signal with 
>any stereo pedal."  What kind of stereo pedal?
>
>The simplest way to split a signal is with a "Y" adaptor or cable. This 
>will work fine in most cases where you have one unbalanced line-level 
>signal that needs to be split into two unbalanced line-level signals. If 
>you need to split the signal into several duplicate signals, or if you are 
>very fussy about the strength and quality of your signal you can also use 
>an active splitter (such as the Behringer MX882 
><http://www.behringer.com/MX882/index.cfm?lang=ENG>, but this is really 
>overkill for your situation.
>
>You say you have a Line6 delay. I assume that is the DL4 Delay Modeler. 
>This unit has two audio outputs, Left and Right. While you could patch one 
>output to one amp and the other output to the Boomerang and thence to the 
>other amp, this will probably not give you  the results you want. What will 
>happen in this case is that the Left channel of the stereo output will go 
>to the first amp and the Right channel of the stereo output will go to the 
>Boomerang and the other amp. The results will be different depending on 
>which effect setting  you are using.
>
>I your original message you didn't say anything about using other effects. 
>You mentioned a Boomerang and two amps, but now you say you also have a 
>stereo delay. Do you have other effects devices as well? How are they 
>connected? Are you looping the sound of your instrument with effects or is 
>the looped signal a clean signal direct from the instrument? Do you use 
>effects on the output of the Boomerang or does it go directly to the second 
>amp?
>
>I'm happy to explain techniques and to suggest possibilities, but the 
>important first step is for you to be clear and complete in your 
>explanation of your equipment and your intentions. This in turn must be 
>based on a clear understanding of basic concepts and vocabulary such as:  
>mono versus stereo, series versus parallel connection, balanced versus 
>unbalanced signal, splitting versus mixing a signal, etc.
>--
>
>______________________________________________________________
>Richard Zvonar, PhD
>(818) 788-2202
>http://www.zvonar.com
>http://salamandersongs.com
>http://ill-wind.com


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Hi all, sounds to me like you need the A/B box after the Boomerang output to
split it. Really straight forward. When you want to kick in your 4*10 jyst
push A or B and the sound goes to the fender.

Personally I would then use a volume pedal on the master effects loop on the
4*10 fender (if there is one). That will put you in control of the maste
rvolume and preserve the tone. Its more flexable and you can use just a
little 4*10 when needed and not just the full boost or whatever setting you
are running the amp at. Then kick in your 4*10 when you want to route the
sound in that direction.

My amp has 3 effectloops one master that I use for mastercontrol and two
others that are midi programmable. Really flexable amp : )

Since im allready off topic with my amps effectsloop, just want to recomend
Ben Cristophers " My beautiful Deamon" 1999 not guitar looping but
interesting grooves and some looping sounds behind his guitar and voice.

Jan


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At 6:12 PM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote:
>sorry to be too vague originally. other than the boomerang and dl4 
>the effects are rather simple. all of the effects run before the 
>boomerang in the chain and no effects are added to the boomerang's 
>output. current setup is a fender deluxe strat > morley mono volume 
>pedal > snarling dogs mold spore wah/ring modulator > ibanez ts9 
>deluxe tube screamer > dunlop jimi hendrix model crybaby > line 6 
>dl4 delay modeler (being ran mono right now) > boomerang+ phrase 
>sampler > '65 reissue Fender super reverb 4x10".
>my exact intentions are for every sound that comes out of the 
>boomerang to be transmitted by a seperate 2x12" combo and that amp 
>only. my guitar should be sounding from the 4x10" combo only for a 
>larger lead sound. both amps will run simultaneously so no a/b 
>switch should be necessary. hopefully this makes everything a little 
>clearer. thank you.

This makes everything a lot clearer. All you need to do is to split 
the signal before the Boomerang and send one leg to the 4x10" and the 
other leg to the Boomerang and thence to the 2x12".  This will give 
you the sound of the guitar, with all the effects, coming from the 
4x10" and the output of the Boomerang (also with all the effects as 
they are recorded into loops on the 'rang) coming from the 2x12".

You can split the signal using simple, cheap, passive "Y" adapters. 
You can buy these pretty much anywhere. The most flexible choice will 
be to use an adapter with one male plug and two female jacks, plus 
two 1/4" TS cables. Plug the male end into the left output of the DL4 
and then use the two cables to attach the Y-adapter (Female #1) -> 
Boomerang and the  Y-adapter (Female #2) to the 4x10".

-- 

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Hello all,

I just uploaded a ton of my new improvisational music on SoundClick, all
freely downloadable and playable from the site.  The new material is
everything associated with the to-be-released CD "1/6" with the 2005
date, all recorded using two EDPs, my new rack setup. and the Alesis
Masterlink: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

Most of this material, as usual, was freely improvised.complete with
clams. I also used my Paul Reed Smith Archtop hollow-body electric,
rather than the acoustic. The question is, how am I going to fit 28
songs on a CD!!!

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm  (the newest
material is marked 2005 and listed below)

Ataraxia - My interpretation of the ancient Greek skeptic state of being
or mind "Ataraxia" or "Tranquility of the Soul", which is achievable by
practicing "epoche" or "suspension of believe"
Psycho-Plane - For some reason, this reminds me of the SoundTrack for
"Halloween", though my memory of that masterpiece is very scanty. ;)
Chicken Hawk - Yeeeeh Hawwwww!!!  Just a little slice of country in this
one.I used to play in a country band, and it must have slipped out.but
not too much
Five - Short, spunky tune in 5/4
Dark Forest Dance - Sort of playful, yet obscurity and darkness slips in
toward the end
Discourse with a Wave - The impossible and fantastic conversation I
would have with a sub-atomic particle after it splits in the famous dual
slit experiment and exhibits both wave and particle properties...you can
feel the wave in slow time
Postlude to the Thing - My interpretation and continuation of the movie,
"The Thing" (1982)
Siva's Horizon - A darker ambient piece with guitar work that has a
subtle Eastern/Middle-Eastern feel...depicting the imminent end of the
world - the horizon....hence the Hindu god Siva the Destroyer.
Super Vibe - More in the jazz fusion groove
Eccentrics & Apparitions - Grand finale and long sucker..starts in the
jazz feel, but leaves it very soon.

Cheers,

************************************************************************
**************
Krispen Hartung 
http://www.krispenhartung.com 
info@krispenhartung.com
View improvisational / real-time looping videos:
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht
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date, all recorded using two EDPs</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
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setup</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">.</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> and the Alesis Masterlink: </FONT></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm</FONT></U></SPAN></=
A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Most of this =
material, as usual, was freely improvised&#8230;complete with clams. I =
also used my Paul Reed Smith Archtop hollow-body electric, rather than =
the acoustic. The question is, how am I going to fit 28 songs on a =
CD!!!</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm<=
/FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; (the new</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">est</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> material is =
marked 2005 and listed below)</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Ataraxia</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
-</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">My interpretation of the ancient =
Greek skeptic state of being or mind &quot;Ataraxia&quot; or =
&quot;Tranquility of the Soul&quot;, which is achievable by practicing =
&quot;epoche&quot; or &quot;suspension of =
believe&quot;</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Psycho-Plane</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
-</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">For some reason, this reminds me =
of the SoundTrack for &quot;Halloween&quot;, though my memory of that =
masterpiece is very scanty. ;)</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Chicken =
Hawk</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> -</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Yeeeeh Hawwwww!!!&nbsp; Just a little slice of country in =
this one&#8230;I used to play in a country band, and it must have =
slipped out&#8230;but not too much</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Five</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> - Short, =
spunky tune in 5/4</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dark Forest =
Dance</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Sort of playful, yet obscurity and darkness slips in =
toward the end</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Discourse with =
a Wave</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> - The impossible and =
fantastic conversation I would have with a sub-atomic particle after it =
splits in the famous dual slit experiment and exhibits both wave and =
particle properties...you can feel the wave in slow =
time</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Postlude to the =
Thing</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> - My interpretation and =
continuation of the movie, &quot;The Thing&quot; (1982)</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Siva's =
Horizon</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> - A darker ambient =
piece with guitar work that has</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">a</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">subtle =
Eastern/Middle-Eastern feel...depicting the imminent end of the world - =
the horizon....hence the Hindu god Siva</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> the Destroyer.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Super =
Vibe</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> - More in the jazz fusion =
groove</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Eccentrics =
&amp; Apparitions</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> - Grand =
finale and long sucker&#8230;.starts in the jazz feel, but leaves it =
very soon.</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers,</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">**********************************************************=
****************************</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Krispen Hartung =
</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.krispenhartung.com"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.krispenhartung.com</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">info@krispenhartung.com</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">View =
improvisational / real-time looping videos:</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catal=
ogue.htm#videos"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartun=
g/catalogue.htm#videos</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Interactive tour =
of my gear: </FONT></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D1 =
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What an extraordinary experience!!  To my ears, Andre is pioneering a
new genre of playing.  I'm not an expert on the topic but after lurking
here for many years, I feel comfortable suggesting (not that I'd be the
first) that Andre's approach is dramatically different than other
looping I've heard. After tuning into the http://www.venetowest.com
<http://www.venetowest.com/>   broadcast referenced here a few weeks
ago, I listened to a number of tracks available at his web site
(www.altruistmusic.com <http://www.altruistmusic.com/> ) and was
impressed enough to get tickets to his Friday show at the Monkey. I
invited a few unsuspecting friends (one that may have been a touch to
vocal during the show - sorry).  The live experience surpassed my
expectations.  Andre's performance was funky, coherent and stunning.
Heads were bopping on most every tune!   One tune had a Indian groove
(Raga?) to it, another took from the Police's Material World, another
relied heavily on the reverse feature to great effect.  My only
disappointment was that he didn't slow down and give a bit of a primer
on what he was doing.  Of course, after the show he was readily
available for questions and chat with gearheads and novices alike. =20

=20

=20

The other star of the show was The Monkey itself.  What an intimate
space!  The 5.1 surround sound was put to good use with the FIVE
echoplexi that Andre utilized. At different times each speaker had a
separate loop feeding it and the aural separation had me spinning my
head around.=20

=20

I look forward to keeping up with happenings down at the Monkey. =20

=20

 All around it was a great experience. =20


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font-family:Arial'>What an extraordinary experience!!&nbsp; To my ears, =
Andre
is pioneering a new genre of playing.&nbsp; I&#8217;m not an expert on =
the
topic but after lurking here for many years, I feel comfortable =
suggesting (not
that I&#8217;d be the first) that Andre&#8217;s approach is dramatically
different than other looping I&#8217;ve heard. After tuning into the <a
href=3D"http://www.venetowest.com/">http://www.venetowest.com</a> =
&nbsp;broadcast
referenced here a few weeks ago, I listened to a number of tracks =
available at
his web site (<a =
href=3D"http://www.altruistmusic.com/">www.altruistmusic.com</a>)
and was impressed enough to get tickets to his Friday show at the =
Monkey. I
invited a few unsuspecting friends (one that may have been a touch to =
vocal
during the show &#8211; sorry).&nbsp; The live experience surpassed my
expectations.&nbsp; Andre&#8217;s performance was funky, coherent and
stunning.&nbsp; Heads were bopping on most every tune! &nbsp;&nbsp;One =
tune had
a Indian groove (Raga?) to it, another took from the Police&#8217;s =
Material
World, another relied heavily on the reverse feature to great =
effect.&nbsp; My
only disappointment was that he didn&#8217;t slow down and give a bit of =
a
primer on what he was doing.&nbsp; Of course, after the show he was =
readily
available for questions and chat with gearheads and novices alike.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The other star of the show was The Monkey =
itself.&nbsp; What
an intimate space!&nbsp; The 5.1 surround sound was put to good use with =
the
FIVE echoplexi that Andre utilized. At different times each speaker had =
a separate
loop feeding it and the aural separation had me spinning my head around. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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the
Monkey.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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On 21-03-05 20:30, "Richard Zvonar" <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:

> At 6:12 PM +0000 3/21/05, Andy Morris wrote:
>> sorry to be too vague originally. other than the boomerang and dl4
>> the effects are rather simple. all of the effects run before the
>> boomerang in the chain and no effects are added to the boomerang's
>> output. current setup is a fender deluxe strat > morley mono volume
>> pedal > snarling dogs mold spore wah/ring modulator > ibanez ts9
>> deluxe tube screamer > dunlop jimi hendrix model crybaby > line 6
>> dl4 delay modeler (being ran mono right now) > boomerang+ phrase
>> sampler > '65 reissue Fender super reverb 4x10".
>> my exact intentions are for every sound that comes out of the
>> boomerang to be transmitted by a seperate 2x12" combo and that amp
>> only. my guitar should be sounding from the 4x10" combo only for a
>> larger lead sound. both amps will run simultaneously so no a/b
>> switch should be necessary. hopefully this makes everything a little
>> clearer. thank you.
> 
> This makes everything a lot clearer. All you need to do is to split
> the signal before the Boomerang and send one leg to the 4x10" and the
> other leg to the Boomerang and thence to the 2x12".  This will give
> you the sound of the guitar, with all the effects, coming from the
> 4x10" and the output of the Boomerang (also with all the effects as
> they are recorded into loops on the 'rang) coming from the 2x12".
> 
> You can split the signal using simple, cheap, passive "Y" adapters.
> You can buy these pretty much anywhere. The most flexible choice will
> be to use an adapter with one male plug and two female jacks, plus
> two 1/4" TS cables. Plug the male end into the left output of the DL4
> and then use the two cables to attach the Y-adapter (Female #1) ->
> Boomerang and the  Y-adapter (Female #2) to the 4x10".


Well, looks like that makes more sence than what I just wrote. Some times
its hard beeing dyslectic. I was sure you wanted the same signal going out
of the boomerang to the two amps and then use the 4*10 as a live boost.
In that case my advise would give you that result. However wanting something
else my advice is pretty worthless, sorry : )

Still, I really recommend the effectloop mastervolume control.

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At 10:12 PM +0100 3/21/05, Jan A Johnsen wrote:

>Well, looks like that makes more sence than what I just wrote. Some times
>its hard beeing dyslectic. I was sure you wanted the same signal going out
>of the boomerang to the two amps and then use the 4*10 as a live boost.
>In that case my advise would give you that result. However wanting something
>else my advice is pretty worthless, sorry : )

Give yourself a break! Some of the most interesting innovations start 
out as mistakes. Anyway - the central issue here is to help Andy (and 
others just getting familiar with complex systems) to gain a 
conceptual "handle" on signal routing in a musical context. It can be 
useful to have a few alternatives for consideration, even if some 
aren't immediately put to use.
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I had problems with my Dell Inspiron 8600 and MOTU828 glitching.  After
talking to two Dell customer service guys who couldn't help, they bumped
me up to a Tier 3 guy who immediately told me to run MSCONFIG from the
Run menu and turn off all startup items and reboot.  I did so and tried
it again and was able to record audio without any glitches into Logic
Audio 5.5.  I tried it with a couple of other audio apps such as
Ambiloop and no glitching. =20

=20

I gradually started turning on DLLs while checking for glitches.  It
seems that some of the things that run in the background that are
automatically installed within Windows by Microsoft or other vendors can
cause interrupts.  One way you might be able to see this is to open Task
Manger and look at the Performance tab.  If you see spikes happening
regularly, then it's possible that you have a background app that's
causing the problem. =20

=20

Take a look at www.MusicXP.net <http://www.musicxp.net/>  for tips on
how to fine-tune your PC for audio.  By the way, I've tried it since
with an Edirol UA25 USB audio/midi device and it works as well when the
tweaks are in place.  Hope this helps.

=20

Reni

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Subject: USB audio problems=20

=20

Well, for those of you who may recall, I was having glitching/skipping
with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz Celeron) running
XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply playing a wav or
mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous system usage.=20

=20

I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the problem, so I "upgraded" to
a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The glitching is 10 times worse when I
plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. Why?

=20

Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, and the glitching occurs
when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went out and bought two
sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess what... It still
glitches just as much.=20

=20

Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may have problems with
interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I noticed today
that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some static and
radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this normal? I
did plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes
a difference.=20

=20

I just can't figure what it might be. If the wiring of the computer is
in fact the problem, than 1. why does the glitching still occur with the
PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur even when running off of the
battery?=20

=20

Again, any help would be great.

-Devin=20

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</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
 color:blue'>Dell</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'> Inspiron =
</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
 color:blue'>8600</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'> and =
MOTU</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
 color:blue'>828</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'> =
glitching.&nbsp; After
talking to two </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DVerdana><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Dell</span></fo=
nt><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:blue'> customer service guys who couldn&#8217;t help, they bumped =
me up
to a Tier </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>3</span></font>=
<font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:blue'> guy who immediately told me to run MSCONFIG from the Run =
menu and
turn off all startup items and reboot.&nbsp; I did so and tried it again =
and
was able to record audio without any glitches into Logic Audio =
</span></font><font
 size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
 color:blue'>5.5</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>.&nbsp; I =
tried it with
a couple of other audio apps such as Ambiloop and no glitching.&nbsp; =
</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>I gradually started turning on =
DLLs
while checking for glitches.&nbsp; It seems that some of the things that =
run in
the background that are automatically installed within Windows by =
Microsoft or
other vendors can cause interrupts.&nbsp; One way you might be able to =
see this
is to open Task Manger and look at the Performance tab.&nbsp; If you see =
spikes
happening regularly, then it&#8217;s possible that you have a background =
app
that&#8217;s causing the problem.&nbsp; </span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Take a look at <a
href=3D"http://www.musicxp.net/">www.MusicXP.net</a> for tips on how to =
fine-tune
your PC for audio.&nbsp; By the way, I&#8217;ve tried it since with an =
Edirol UA</span></font><font
 size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
 color:blue'>25</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'> USB =
audio/midi device
and it works as well when the tweaks are in place.&nbsp; Hope this =
helps.</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Devin Smith
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>20</span></font><font
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size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> USB audio =
problems </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Well, for those of you who may recall, I was =
having
glitching/skipping with my Tascam US-122 and Dell Inspiron 2500 (900 mHz
Celeron) running XP with 128 megs of ram. This was happening when simply
playing a wav or mp3 off of my hard drive, ***not*** under any strenuous =
system
usage. </span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I thought the USB 1.1 ports were causing the =
problem,
so I &quot;upgraded&quot; to a PCMCIA card with USB 2 ports. The =
glitching is
10 times worse when I plug into the USB 2 ports on the card. =
Why?</span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Then I thought maybe I have too little ram, =
and the
glitching occurs when the paging file kicks in or something. So I went =
out and
bought two sticks of 256 ram. So I've quatrupled my ram, and guess =
what... It
still glitches just as much. </span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Someone mentioned that Dells of this era may =
have
problems with interference between the power supply and the USB ports. I
noticed today that when I plug the power supply in, you can hear some =
static
and radio-type interference coming through the interface. Is this =
normal? I did
plug it into the same power strip as my stereo system if that makes a
difference. </span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I just can't figure what it might be.&nbsp;If
the&nbsp;wiring of the computer&nbsp;is in fact the problem, than 1. why =
does
the glitching still occur with the PCMCIA card? and 2. why does it occur =
even
when running off of the battery?&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Again, any help would be =
great.</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>-Devin&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

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Yes it's free and it works as a Windows VST but, it just gets better and
better all the time.
Enhancements:
Scripting (still basic yet but, ever increasing in functionality)
Most Echoplex functionality emulated pretty accurately (good enough for me
considering I own an echoplex thus far)
Enhanced functions

Still being discussed Redo (yeah non destructive Undo so, you can return to
a previously recorded layer)

http://www.zonemobius.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/

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got a couple gigs, obviously featuring much loopage, and even more very 
fine music, coming up in England -

12th - The Joogleberry Theatre <http://www.joogleberry.com>, Brighton, 
Sussex - a triple bill - me solo, duo with Theo Travis 
<http://www.theotravis.com>, and guesting with fabulous solo 
bassist/singer-songwriter, John Lester <http://www.johnlestermusic.com>! 
Tix £7 doors 8pm. Theo and I will also be joined by Tim Bowness on 
looped vocals for part of our duo set (I'll be playing solo, duo with 
Theo, and guesting on a tune or two with John Lester)

www.joogleberry.com

14th - CB2 <http://www.cb1.com/cb2/index.html>, Norfolk Street, 
Cambridge - a triple bill - me solo, duo with Theo Travis 
<http://www.theotravis.com>, and guesting with  John Lester 
<http://www.johnlestermusic.com> Doors 7pm, Tix £6/£4 concs.

http://www.cb1.com/cb2/index.html

hope to see you there! tell your friends... :o)  Both venues have a nice 
cafe/bar upstairs, so are good places to arrange an LD meet-up before 
the gig...

Steve
www.stevelawson.net


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Reinaldo Perez wrote:
> I had problems with my Dell Inspiron 8600 and MOTU828 glitching.  After 
> talking to two Dell customer service guys who couldn’t help, they bumped 
> me up to a Tier 3 guy who immediately told me to run MSCONFIG from the 
> Run menu and turn off all startup items and reboot. 

There is a very nice utility here that displays a comprehensive
list of the things that run when you boot, more than msconfig.

     http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/autoruns.shtml

If you surf the net on this PC you should also use a spyware
scanner like Ad-Aware.

     www.lavasoft.com

And of course do a virus scan.

Jeff

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>Most Echoplex functionality emulated pretty accurately (good enough for me
>considering I own an echoplex thus far)

While Mobius is very impressive in it's own right,
I think this is something of an exaggeration.

There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface 
Modes), and some that it never will because the way the memory is used is 
fundamentally different (Loop Windowing).

...and no "Reverse Sniplets"

:-)  however , hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set way 
beyond EDP in many ways.

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It has Interface modes? and whats 'reverse sniplets' nope no loopwindowing
but, that's alright in about one hour my EDP is gone,Ta ta.... (all I have
to worry about is payments, shipping, etc...)

Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. I
will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an ASIO
capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program.

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>Most Echoplex functionality emulated pretty accurately (good enough for 
>me considering I own an echoplex thus far)

While Mobius is very impressive in it's own right, I think this is something
of an exaggeration.

There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface Modes),
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...and no "Reverse Sniplets"

:-)  however , hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set way
beyond EDP in many ways.

andy butler




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hello again from montana,

is there a basic step by step description of how to program a behringer fcb 
1010 with the edp available?

thank you,
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> Hi there Kris,

I just wanted to respond and say that I've been enjoying your latest
tracks quite a bit. Good playing and your improvisations frequently
sound very "composed." Some really interesting musical ideas in there --
and fancy guitar processing too BTW. I can imagine several ways you
might be doing it -- but how ARE you getting the "soft attack" sort of
synth-flutey guitar tone on the track "Ataraxia", VG-88? Good work. Keep
posting it. I'll buy a copy of the CD when it's finished.

Best regards,

tEd R kiLLiAn

************************************************************************
******

Thanks, Ted. I really appreciate the comments. :)

You are correct in that I have been trying to use more recurring themes
in my latest works, which comes across as more composed.  When I said
most of my material was composed, this was indicating that on a few
songs I actually did spend a few minutes experimenting with an
arrangement before hitting the EDP record button, in order to work out a
base part, especially the songs that have more jazz-like chordal work
such as Super Vibe. I can freely improvise that chord work, but just
decided to pre-arrange something beforehand on that song...then
everything after that base chord work - solos, melodies, textures, etc -
is all freely improvised.   Not that I don't like the more obscure and
less repetitive approach...I just need to balance composition techniques
once in a while, if not for my own sanity, for the sake of listeners who
don't always get off on a 15 minute song that is seemingly chaotic and
without a simple theme they can latch on to psychologically.  I guess
I'm a "pluralist" in this respect, in that I advocate many approaches,
either individually in balance or blended. It's all a part of the
overall took-kit.

The "fancy guitar processing"...oh yes, I am really enjoying the new
patches I made from the Lexicon LXP5 and Boss VF-1....they opened up
some new ground.

You ask: "how ARE you getting the "soft attack" sort of synth-flutey
guitar tone on the track "Ataraxia", VG-88?"

That sound is from the brass guitar synth patch of the Boss GT-3....or
maybe the Boss VF-1. I can't remember, but they are both the exact same
patch. I modified the patch by rolling off the highs, to produce a more
mellow and softer tone.  As for the attack, that is just me. The GT-3
and VF-1 guitar synth patches, especially the brass waveform, are REALLY
good at capturing the natural dynamics of the guitar and my playing.
Some folks poooh poooh these units, but the sensitivity is really nice
if you setup the patch parameters correctly. I can pick very softly and
the unit will actually accurately reflect this dynamic. The saw or
string waveforms are not this cooperative. They seem to be more on-off
in behavior.  I am naturally more biased toward brass and woodwinds,
rather than string tones for soloing.  Sometimes the timbre of violins
and cellos doesn't appeal to my ear. 

Kris



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I just uploaded a ton of my new improvisational music on SoundClick, all
freely downloadable and playable from the site.  The new material is
everything associated with the to-be-released CD "1/6" with the 2005
date, all recorded using two EDPs, my new rack setup. and the Alesis
Masterlink: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm
Most of this material, as usual, was freely improvised.complete with
clams. I also used my Paul Reed Smith Archtop hollow-body electric,
rather than the acoustic. The question is, how am I going to fit 28
songs on a CD!!!
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartungmusic.htm  (the newest
material is marked 2005 and listed below)
Ataraxia - My interpretation of the ancient Greek skeptic state of being
or mind "Ataraxia" or "Tranquility of the Soul", which is achievable by
practicing "epoche" or "suspension of believe"
Psycho-Plane - For some reason, this reminds me of the SoundTrack for
"Halloween", though my memory of that masterpiece is very scanty. ;)
Chicken Hawk - Yeeeeh Hawwwww!!!  Just a little slice of country in this
one.I used to play in a country band, and it must have slipped out.but
not too much
Five - Short, spunky tune in 5/4
Dark Forest Dance - Sort of playful, yet obscurity and darkness slips in
toward the end
Discourse with a Wave - The impossible and fantastic conversation I
would have with a sub-atomic particle after it splits in the famous dual
slit experiment and exhibits both wave and particle properties...you can
feel the wave in slow time
Postlude to the Thing - My interpretation and continuation of the movie,
"The Thing" (1982)
Siva's Horizon - A darker ambient piece with guitar work that has a
subtle Eastern/Middle-Eastern feel...depicting the imminent end of the
world - the horizon....hence the Hindu god Siva the Destroyer.
Super Vibe - More in the jazz fusion groove
Eccentrics & Apparitions - Grand finale and long sucker..starts in the
jazz feel, but leaves it very soon.


"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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a k butler wrote:
 > There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface
 > Modes)

True.  Aside from random bugs, the following are the more obvious EDP
features that are not currently supported by Mobius.

   External synchronization in general
   Most long presses
   Loop Windowing
   Short Undo
   TempoSelect
   ReAlign
   MuteReAlign
   QuantMIDIStartSong
   MuteQuantMIDIStartSong
   QuantStartPoint
   BeatTriggerSample
   MIDIBeatSync
   MIDI Smart Buttons, also known as "Double Clicks"
   SamplerStyle=Attack
   Velocity triggering
   Loop/Delay (InterfaceMode)

 >, and some that it never will because the way the memory is used
 > is fundamentally different (Loop Windowing).

Actually, I had said this in some of my very early messages, but since
then I've changed the memory architecture and a side effect is that
loop windowing is now rather trivial.  I postponed this to add VST
support, but you will eventually be able to move the window forward
and backward, and "nudge" the edges forward and backward using the
pitch bend wheel to give you more control over the size and content of
the window.

 > ...and no "Reverse Sniplets"

I'm intrigued, what is this? :-)

 > hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set
 > way beyond EDP in many ways.

Thanks.  The feature that seems to be generating the most interest
right now is scripts.  In a simple example, you can use them like
"macros" to perform functions using a set of parameter values that may
be different from the current preset.  In more complex examples you
can use them to "sequence" a set of functions to happen at specific
times, either absolute or relative to the length of the loop.  Scripts
really became necessary when people started trying to control multiple
looper tracks, for example retriggering tracks 1 & 2, muting track 3,
and starting a record in track 4.

But I could drone on about this forever :-) If anyone is interested in
more detail there is a Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius.

Regards,
Jeff

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Delay Interface: Can be simulated by doing a record and then using overdubs
with feedback reduced from 127 I did this the other day (should have posted
that one)

Mobius accomplishes most of what I wanted so, I am just an over enthusiastic
Mobius user :)
Perhaps I should have stated that it emulates enough of what I want from an
EDP (Glitchy rhythmic loops) :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] 
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a k butler wrote:
 > There's lot's of EDP stuff that Mobius doesn't touch (e.g. Interface  >
Modes)

True.  Aside from random bugs, the following are the more obvious EDP
features that are not currently supported by Mobius.

   External synchronization in general
   Most long presses
   Loop Windowing
   Short Undo
   TempoSelect
   ReAlign
   MuteReAlign
   QuantMIDIStartSong
   MuteQuantMIDIStartSong
   QuantStartPoint
   BeatTriggerSample
   MIDIBeatSync
   MIDI Smart Buttons, also known as "Double Clicks"
   SamplerStyle=Attack
   Velocity triggering
   Loop/Delay (InterfaceMode)

 >, and some that it never will because the way the memory is used  > is
fundamentally different (Loop Windowing).

Actually, I had said this in some of my very early messages, but since then
I've changed the memory architecture and a side effect is that loop
windowing is now rather trivial.  I postponed this to add VST support, but
you will eventually be able to move the window forward and backward, and
"nudge" the edges forward and backward using the pitch bend wheel to give
you more control over the size and content of the window.

 > ...and no "Reverse Sniplets"

I'm intrigued, what is this? :-)

 > hoping that you will continue to expand the feature set  > way beyond EDP
in many ways.

Thanks.  The feature that seems to be generating the most interest right now
is scripts.  In a simple example, you can use them like "macros" to perform
functions using a set of parameter values that may be different from the
current preset.  In more complex examples you can use them to "sequence" a
set of functions to happen at specific times, either absolute or relative to
the length of the loop.  Scripts really became necessary when people started
trying to control multiple looper tracks, for example retriggering tracks 1
& 2, muting track 3, and starting a record in track 4.

But I could drone on about this forever :-) If anyone is interested in more
detail there is a Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius.

Regards,
Jeff


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On 21-03-05 22:53, "Richard Zvonar" <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:

> At 10:12 PM +0100 3/21/05, Jan A Johnsen wrote:
> 
>> Well, looks like that makes more sence than what I just wrote. Some times
>> its hard beeing dyslectic. I was sure you wanted the same signal going out
>> of the boomerang to the two amps and then use the 4*10 as a live boost.
>> In that case my advise would give you that result. However wanting something
>> else my advice is pretty worthless, sorry : )
> 
> Give yourself a break! Some of the most interesting innovations start
> out as mistakes. Anyway - the central issue here is to help Andy (and
> others just getting familiar with complex systems) to gain a
> conceptual "handle" on signal routing in a musical context. It can be
> useful to have a few alternatives for consideration, even if some
> aren't immediately put to use.

Thatıs a healthy perspective Richard!
Guess I can quote David Lee Roth then:
On break, coming up! changeŠ nothing stays the same...  And so on

Gear and combinations are always changing. 

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> Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. 
> I
> will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an 
> ASIO
> capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program.

ASIO4All works with soundcards that have a WDM driver.  Even the internal 
sound chips in notebook pcs.

http://www.asio4all.com/

Tony 

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Good find Tony might help a few people out, no doubt! 

Thanks :)

-----Original Message-----
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> Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. 
> I
> will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an 
> ASIO capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program.

ASIO4All works with soundcards that have a WDM driver.  Even the internal
sound chips in notebook pcs.

http://www.asio4all.com/

Tony 


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I've been using asio4all on my laptop for about a year now, and I've had 
no major issues. It works quite well, and I'm getting a pro response 
from the builtin soundcard in my laptop, about 3-5 milliseconds of 
latency, which is very good indeed

 - just letting you guys know ;-)

Andreas


Alan Kroeger wrote:

>Good find Tony might help a few people out, no doubt! 
>
>Thanks :)
>
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>  
>
>>Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. 
>>I
>>will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an 
>>ASIO capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program.
>>    
>>
>
>ASIO4All works with soundcards that have a WDM driver.  Even the internal
>sound chips in notebook pcs.
>
>http://www.asio4all.com/
>
>Tony 
>
>
>
>.
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i'm beginning to doubt the existence of said manual. so i'm asking 
everywhere. does anyone know where i can find one?
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Hello Loopers-Delight,

  I have an effects board with several things including a guitar synth
  and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to step down the
  voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big power strip.

  I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have one power socket
  which seems to power a number of pedals.

  I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that you can run several
  pedals from? Does such a thing exist?

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I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9.  Black box
with several leads coming out of it that plug into my
various fx pedals and powers them all.  I read a
review just now that said this one is noisy, but I've
never had any.  There are other models out there as
well.

Mike

--- Norman Lamont <groups@normanlamont.com> wrote:
> Hello Loopers-Delight,
> 
>   I have an effects board with several things
> including a guitar synth
>   and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to
> step down the
>   voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big
> power strip.
> 
>   I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have
> one power socket
>   which seems to power a number of pedals.
> 
>   I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that
> you can run several
>   pedals from? Does such a thing exist?
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Norman                         
> mailto:groups@normanlamont.com
> 
> www.normanlamont.com
> 
>
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=0&amp;t=1
> 
> 


		
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Norman,

You can check out this as well:
http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm

~peace~

Michael



www.michaelplishka.com

Quoting mike feeney <feeneymike@yahoo.com>:

> I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9.  Black box
> with several leads coming out of it that plug into my
> various fx pedals and powers them all.  I read a
> review just now that said this one is noisy, but I've
> never had any.  There are other models out there as
> well.
>
> Mike
>
> --- Norman Lamont <groups@normanlamont.com> wrote:
> > Hello Loopers-Delight,
> >
> >   I have an effects board with several things
> > including a guitar synth
> >   and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to
> > step down the
> >   voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big
> > power strip.
> >
> >   I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have
> > one power socket
> >   which seems to power a number of pedals.
> >
> >   I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that
> > you can run several
> >   pedals from? Does such a thing exist?
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >  Norman
> > mailto:groups@normanlamont.com
> >
> > www.normanlamont.com
> >
> >
> http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=0&amp;t=1
> >
> >
>
>
>
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When starting v7:

Process Description:
Process Name:  C:\Program Files\Mobius\mobius.exe
Module Description:  System Generated
Module Name:  System Generated
Dialog Caption:  System Generated
Dialog Text:  The instruction at 0x78009047 tried to access memory at
0x00000000, the read failed.

Windows 2000 SP4, all updates
Gigabyte / Sempron MB/CPU, 1.9GHz, nVidia2 chipset
ATI All-in-Wonder Pro 128 (to be replaced in May)
256MB SDRAM
30GB Free on HDD, no errors, fairly defragmented

Running software at time of incident:
MS Anti-Spyware
Spybot S&D
Trend Virus via Fix-it Pro
Tablet driver for DrawingBoard III

This error is repeatable, and the addresses referred to above do not change.

What else might I tell you?

Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* http://www.medialinenews.com

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----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Error on starting version 7...

Sorry about that.

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Many thanks to Rick Walker and those of you who recommended the Alesis
Ineko for serious tone mangling.  I just got mine yesterday and was
pretty floored by the amount of mayhem that little box can produce.  I
never would have thought that it could cause so much sonic damage.  And
the size is perfect, so small.  Glad I finally got one.  

Kevin

How amazing, how amazing!
Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
It simply cannot be heard with the ear,
But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
- Tung-shan (807-869)

Sound and Vision:    http://www.minds-eye.org

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Fabio,

I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us aware of it.

There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for streaming at:

http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3

Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly about it's being
too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing but respect=20
for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get around to buying
this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out later this year.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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al" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Fabio,<BR>
<BR>
I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us aware of it.<BR>
<BR>
There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for streaming at:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2=
">http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3</FONT><FONT COLO=
R=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
<BR>
Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly about it's being<BR>
too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing but respect <BR>
for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get around to buying<BR>
this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out later this year.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
2"></FONT></HTML>
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Many thanks to Rick Walker and those of you who recommended the Alesis
Ineko for serious tone mangling.  I just got mine yesterday and was
pretty floored by the amount of mayhem that little box can produce.  I
never would have thought that it could cause so much sonic damage.  And
the size is perfect, so small.  Glad I finally got one.  

Kevin

How amazing, how amazing!
Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
It simply cannot be heard with the ear,
But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
- Tung-shan (807-869)

Sound and Vision:    http://www.minds-eye.org

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http://www.candisc.com/ranger/manuals1.htm


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:16:23 -0600, Shayne Cafferata
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> i'm beginning to doubt the existence of said manual. so i'm asking
> everywhere. does anyone know where i can find one?
> thanks,
> shayne
> 
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Stephen Goodman wrote:
> When starting v7:

There is a mysterious problem that I haven't been able to isolate
that causes Mobius to crash on Windows 2000 whenever it loads a script.
It doesn't happen on XP, only 2000.  Go into the mobius installation
directory (usually c:\Program Files\Mobius) and delete the file "init.scr"
if it exists.  Also edit the mobius.xml file in a text editor and remove
any lines inside the <ScriptConfig> element, for example:

   <ScriptConfig>
     <ScripRef file='scripts\GlobalMuteToggle.scr'/>
     <ScripRef file='scripts\MuteRetrigger.scr'/>
   </ScriptConfig>

delete the two lines containing ScriptRef elements.

If neither of those changes works, send me private email or post
a message to groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius and we can discuss
it further.

Jeff

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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050319.html

I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic,
ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other 
genres.  The
show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the
internet.  I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                    Show #64                    March 19, 2005.

During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the series of 
CDs from
Groove Unlimited that were inspired by the X Files television series.


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
VA [Boots & Aerts]      The Silence of the       Truth of Dare (Groove)
                          Scream
VA [Rapp, E.vdHeijden,  Alien Bug Hunt           Four the Truth (Groove)
  & Boots]
VA [Keller,Schonwalder, Synapsys Struggle of     Four the Truth (Groove)
  & H.vdHeijden]          Life's Recordings
VA [Marselje & Munz]    Who Is It?               Four the Truth (Groove)
VA [Boots & Obmana]     Acknowledged Contact     Four the Truth (Groove)
VA [Boddy & Boots]      Gross Misconduct         Four the Truth (Groove)

Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
Nick Webb               River Bed 3              Sonosync (Farfield)
Kayanis                 Lost Tribe               Machines and Dreams 
(Hardbeat)
Lino                    Salsa a la Mode          Return to Avalon (DMI)

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
===============================
Steve Thorne            Ten Years                Emotional Creatures Vol 1
                                                   (Giant Electric Pea)
Steve Thorne            Last Line                Emotional Creatures Vol 1
                                                   (Giant Electric Pea)
VA [Martin Maheux]      Red Shift                Progression in Balance 
Vol 1
                                                   (Unicorn)
IQ                      Harvest of Souls         Dark Matter (Giant Electric
                                                   Pea)
Hidria Spacefolk        Pako Originaux           Live Eleven am (NEARfest)


 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on April 2.

On the next show, I will continue the special on the series of CDs from 
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Bill
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Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
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The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of 
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I'd totally agree with that review.  Feels almost like
an EP to me.  Also songs feel unfinished to some
degree.  Great ideas that he didn't spend the time to
work to their conclusion.  If you're a fan, get it. 
There are some nice cuts and great performances.  If
you're not and looking for a taste, skip it and go for
Desire of the Lone Rino King.

Mark

--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> Fabio,
> 
> I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us
> aware of it.
> 
> There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for
> streaming at:
> 
>
http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3
> 
> Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly
> about it's being
> too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing
> but respect 
> for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get
> around to buying
> this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out
> later this year.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> tEd � kiLLiAn
> 
> "Different is not always better, but better is
> always different"
> 
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
> 
> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at:
> Apple iTunes,
> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic,
> Napster,
> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,
> Etherstream,
> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,
> Puretracks,
> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.
> So???
> 
> "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean
> you're an artist."
> 

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Beware of the PS-9; I have a couple of them, and a
month or two ago, playing out of town, three of the
six outlets on the one I'd brought with me suddenly
failed, forcing me to prioritize in real-time which of
my pedals I was gonna do without for the rest of the
evening. (This was already my stripped-down rig, and
it didn't leave much...) It took my DD-3 out with it,
too.

-t-


--- mike feeney <feeneymike@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9.  Black box
> with several leads coming out of it that plug into
> my
> various fx pedals and powers them all.  I read a
> review just now that said this one is noisy, but
> I've
> never had any.  There are other models out there as
> well.


		
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Adrian is amazing and also one of the nicest guys you will ever meet in =20=

the music business. Its great that he can play really crazy avant garde =20=

stuff like King Crimson or Zappa and then play beautiful understated =20
acoustic work like his playing on Tori Amos' strange little girls and =20=

be so great at both.

Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, =20=

Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the =20=

art and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & =20=

Cher)
On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Fabio Anile wrote:

> I know this isn't a looping=A0topic,
>  but=A0 I'd like to share with you the pleasure that give me the =
latest =20
> album of Adrian Belew.
> It's very difficoult a categorization,=A0SIDE ONE=A0pass trough=A0rock, =
pop, =20
> alternative, and some other genres, confirming the=A0talent of Andrian =
=20
> in composition, in playing, and in discovering new sounds and rythmic =20=

> architettures.
> Sometimes, I've heard some loops=A0 and reverse effect (...as usual).
> Even if I am a keyboardist i was always attracted by the guitarists:=A0i=
 =20
> like King Crimson and Robert Fripp (....I like Paco de Lucia and =20
> egberto Gismonti too...)..., but Adrian Belew is pure "genius".
> Someone have hear=A0Side one=A0?
> Greetings
> Fabio
> =A0
> =A0
> http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?=20
> tag=3Dquickurl
> http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo
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Adrian is amazing and also one of the nicest guys you will ever meet
in the music business. Its great that he can play really crazy avant
garde stuff like King Crimson or Zappa and then play beautiful
understated acoustic work like his playing on Tori Amos' strange
little girls and be so great at both.


Ronan Chris Murphy

www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )

www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)

On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Fabio Anile wrote:


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I got mine the other day (signed copy, available from his website)  and =
aside from it being too short, I think it's great.  I'm a fan of Les =
Claypool and Danny Carey too, so that's just bonus.  There are going to =
be 2 more cds as part of the 'set.' =20

Adrian mentions that he's doing some looping in the interviews he's done =
recently.

Between 'Side One,' the new Porcupine Tree, Kris's new stuff, and a huge =
collection of live Sleepytime Gorilla Museum I found, I'm having a grand =
old time listening to new music today.

Tony
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:28 PM
  Subject: Re: Adrian Belew


  Fabio,

  I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us aware of it.

  There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for streaming at:

  http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3

  Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly about it's being
  too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing but respect=20
  for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get around to buying
  this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out later this year.

  Best regards,

  tEd =AE kiLLiAn

  "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

  http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
  http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
  http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
  http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
  http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
  http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
  http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

  Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
  BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
  AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
  RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
  and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

  "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I got mine the other day (signed copy, =
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Tree, Kris's=20
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found, I'm=20
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  for making us aware of it.<BR><BR>There's an interesting sample =
"teaser"=20
  posted for streaming at:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3">http:/=
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  face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>Criticism that I've=20
  read about the CD is mostly about it's being<BR>too short (only about =
30 mins=20
  long). I have nothing but respect <BR>for Mr. Belew but I may wait =
awhile=20
  before I get around to buying<BR>this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all =
3 sides=20
  are out later this year.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>tEd =AE=20
  kiLLiAn<BR><BR>"Different is not always better, but better is always=20
  =
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com/cd/tedkillian<BR>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>http://ww=
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.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN=
M_17314<BR>http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1=
93<BR><BR>Ted=20
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iTunes,<BR>BuyMusic,=20
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Lindows,=20
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A while ago I did an interview with Fred Frith for the Swedish guitar 
player magazine. Now the mag wants to print it a little bigger than 
originally intended and we need to add a little more text on Fred's 
equipment. So I need to get back to Fred on the matter, but 
unfortunately I didn't keep his e-mail address. Does anyone know how to 
get in touch with him?

Greetings from Sweden

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Have you tried the "contact" link at:

http://www.fredfrith.com/

?


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:35:52 +0100, Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
> A while ago I did an interview with Fred Frith for the Swedish guitar
> player magazine. Now the mag wants to print it a little bigger than
> originally intended and we need to add a little more text on Fred's
> equipment. So I need to get back to Fred on the matter, but
> unfortunately I didn't keep his e-mail address. Does anyone know how to
> get in touch with him?
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
> 
>

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I'm selling a DeArmond Weeper vintage stomp box. All original and in very
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frith@mills.edu

On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> A while ago I did an interview with Fred Frith for the Swedish guitar 
> player magazine. Now the mag wants to print it a little bigger than 
> originally intended and we need to add a little more text on Fred's 
> equipment. So I need to get back to Fred on the matter, but 
> unfortunately I didn't keep his e-mail address. Does anyone know how 
> to get in touch with him?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> ---
> http://www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)
> http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
>
>
>
>

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Argh,

I have similar questions about AC adapters and those "all-in-one"
power units. I have a number of pedals with a variety of requirements.
7.5 volts, 9 volts, 12 volts, 18 volts and with different polarities (+/-).
Frankly I am a little reluctant to trust these things with anything
other than Boss pedals which are ALL 9 volt and the same polarity.

I have an SKB PS-100 pedalboard that's got an internal power supply
that works well with Boss stuff and a couple of other brands. But, I=20
am more than a little reluctant to plug it in to some of my weirder=20
"boutique" or "vintage" pedals for fear it might do damage to
something that's darn near irreplaceable these days.

Maybe I'm fearful for no reason. Some of this stuff is pretty rugged=20
and might survive a trial-and-error approach to seeing if a 3rd-
party power supply would work or not. Without having some original=20
manuals and stuff it's hard to tell.=20

I know it's probably not practical for a lot of reasons, but I sure wish=20
more stuff came with internal power like my EDP does.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

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eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Argh,<BR>
<BR>
I have similar questions about AC adapters and those "all-in-one"<BR>
power units. I have a number of pedals with a variety of requirements.<BR>
7.5 volts, 9 volts, 12 volts, 18 volts and with different polarities (+/-).<=
BR>
Frankly I am a little reluctant to trust these things with anything<BR>
other than Boss pedals which are ALL 9 volt and the same polarity.<BR>
<BR>
I have an SKB PS-100 pedalboard that's got an internal power supply<BR>
that works well with Boss stuff and a couple of other brands. But, I <BR>
am more than a little reluctant to plug it in to some of my weirder <BR>
"boutique" or "vintage" pedals for fear it might do damage to<BR>
something that's darn near irreplaceable these days.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe I'm fearful for no reason. Some of this stuff is pretty rugged <BR>
and might survive a trial-and-error approach to seeing if a 3rd-<BR>
party power supply would work or not. Without having some original <BR>
manuals and stuff it's hard to tell. <BR>
<BR>
I know it's probably not practical for a lot of reasons, but I sure wish <BR=
>
more stuff came with internal power like my EDP does.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Helvetica" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=
=3D"2">Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR>
<BR>
"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR>
<BR>
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR>
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR>
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR>
<BR>
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???<BR>
<BR>
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."</FONT><=
FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
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> Norman,
>> You can check out this as well:
> http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm
> ~peace~
> Michael



i love the 1spot-best purchase i have made latelee
s

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In a message dated 3/23/05 6:06:50 AM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:

<< You can check out this as well:

http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm >>



Looks similar to the PA-9 Powerall from Godlyke:

http://www.godlyke.com

It comes with several reverse polarity tips for Line 6, Dunlop & Fulltone and 
tips for older model DOD, Electro-Harmonix, Ibanez, MXR, Z-Vex.


BobC


http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
http://trundlebox.iuma.com
http://tinyurl.com/yuru7

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:59:43PM -0800, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:
> > Norman,
> >> You can check out this as well:
> > http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm
> > ~peace~
> > Michael
> 
> 
> 
> i love the 1spot-best purchase i have made latelee
> s

	I have two 1spots I use. But been thinking of
picking up a couple of these:

http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=132721

which seems to be the same idea. Theres versions available
in various amp ratines. Haven't tried one myself yet though.


Adrian

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Saturday, April 2, 2005 and Sunday, April 3, 2005

Cilla_Vee Movement Projects presents:

Between MA and A Soft Space

A Motion Sculpture movement Installation, directed by Claire
Elizabeth Barratt with microtonal composer David Beardsley.
Featuring live gesture drawings by Lara Hanson and movement
artists Jill Frere, Kristin Narcowich, Mark Lamb and Pedro Jimenez.

David will be performing sections of Infinity (2004),
Around D (2002) and Clouds Veil the Future (2002) to
accompany the movements.

The Construction Company
10 East 18th Street, 3rd floor buzzer
(between 5th Avenue and Broadway)
Manhattan, New York City

7-10 p.m.

$15 - general admission
$10 - students & seniors
$7 - Starving Artists discount - bring recent flyer or program with your 
name plus photo ID

The reservation phone number is: 212 924-7882.

pdf press release available on request.

http://biink.com/db/
http://www.hhproduction.org/claire.cilla_vee%20m.project.html

photos:
http://biink.com/db/photos5.htm
http://biink.com/db/photos6.htm

-- 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

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side 1 is definitely growing on me. wasn't crazy about it initially, but now 
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Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least
TRY to design a:

-one unit box (rack mount or table-top)
-that would replace all my wall-warts
-including:
---ac to dc (most common)
---ac to ac (some gear uses these)
---individual circuit protection
---rf / line filtering throughout
---sequential power-up
---individual on/off switches
---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the
values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed)

any thoughts?

=RANDY=  


		
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http://www.voodoolab.com/pedpower.html

This is pretty close.  Or did you know about the PP2, and were just 
adding a few things?

I like the "sag" feature on 2 of the 9V converters on the PP2.  It can 
make fuzzes and overdrive pedals take on a new set of tones.

Doug

Randy Leifer wrote:

>Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least
>TRY to design a:
>
>-one unit box (rack mount or table-top)
>-that would replace all my wall-warts
>-including:
>---ac to dc (most common)
>---ac to ac (some gear uses these)
>---individual circuit protection
>---rf / line filtering throughout
>---sequential power-up
>---individual on/off switches
>---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the
>values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed)
>
>any thoughts?
>
>=RANDY=  
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I have 2 rigs. 

My main system at my workplace. It's a DAW (desktop
PC, some outboard gear, etc.) where I do my
sequencing/recording.

My second system is at home in my bedroom, and
consists of a coupl'a synths, some effects, and a
older midi hardware sequencer (Roland MC-50). I
thought I'd just use the bedroom stuff to just fool
around, and lately I'm achieving some interesting
sounds........but I have no way to record them!

I need a recorder. As high quality as I can afford. I
figure, for me, it's worth it to spend around
$300-$600. Whatever media it records on, I need to be
able to transfer it to my main rig, the PC. I might
spend a little more if it could also become a portable
location recorder, and still maintain high quality.(In
which case, I would bring "it" to my PC, for
transfer.)

What would you suggest?

=RANDY=



		
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What a great idea. Ideally it would also replace oddball "drama queen"
wallwarts like the 14-volt Boss VF-1 power supply or the inexplicable AC
wallwarts (Alesis ModFX, Digitech X series). Gawd, I hate the whole "hey
you can only use our 6.743263-volt adapter" midset. What bollocks ;-)
~Tim Mungenast


> [Original Message]
> From: Randy Leifer <redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 3/23/2005 9:09:35 PM
> Subject: Re:AC adapters
>
> Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least
> TRY to design a:
>
> -one unit box (rack mount or table-top)
> -that would replace all my wall-warts
> -including:
> ---ac to dc (most common)
> ---ac to ac (some gear uses these)
> ---individual circuit protection
> ---rf / line filtering throughout
> ---sequential power-up
> ---individual on/off switches
> ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the
> values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed)
>
> any thoughts?
>
> =RANDY=  
>
>
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Doug wrote:

>"This is pretty close.  Or did you know about the
PP2, and were just 
adding a few things?"

I am refering to my rack gear's adapters, or all wall
warts. Will that box work with other stuff besides
battery powered pedal boxes?
I have some gear from MAM, that uses 120vAC to 9
or12vAC, as well as the more common 120vAC to DC
warts.

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>
>  > Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least
>>  TRY to design a:
>>
>>  -one unit box (rack mount or table-top)
>>  -that would replace all my wall-warts
>>  -including:
>>  ---ac to dc (most common)
>>  ---ac to ac (some gear uses these)
>>  ---individual circuit protection
>>  ---rf / line filtering throughout
>>  ---sequential power-up
>>  ---individual on/off switches
>>  ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the
>  > values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed)

Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do 
most, if not all of the above?

Jeff

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>Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least
>TRY to design a:
>
>-one unit box (rack mount or table-top)
>-that would replace all my wall-warts
>-including:
>---ac to dc (most common)
>---ac to ac (some gear uses these)
>---individual circuit protection
>---rf / line filtering throughout
>---sequential power-up
>---individual on/off switches
>---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the
>values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed)
>
>any thoughts?
>
>=RANDY=

Juicegoose 12 Paq. Unfortunately, it's discontinued. 6 AC 120V 
outlets and 6 low voltage outlets at 6-15 volts AC or DC depending on 
what you need.

No sequential power up or individual on/off, but it works great. I 
hate wall warts!

Edwin
-- 

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
http://www.indra.com/~edwin
http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services

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In a message dated 3/23/05 9:33:27 PM, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com writes:


> I need a recorder
> 

Click Here: Check out "R-1 Portable 24-Bit WAVE Recorder & Player".....this 
was mentioned a bit ago, anyone have one?.....they look sweet.....mk



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I've had mine for a couple of years and it hasn't
failed me yet...  which is not to say it never will,
but I'm happy so far.

Mike

--- Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Beware of the PS-9; I have a couple of them, and a
> month or two ago, playing out of town, three of the
> six outlets on the one I'd brought with me suddenly
> failed, forcing me to prioritize in real-time which
> of
> my pedals I was gonna do without for the rest of the
> evening. (This was already my stripped-down rig, and
> it didn't leave much...) It took my DD-3 out with
> it,
> too.
> 
> -t-
> 
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> --- mike feeney <feeneymike@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I have one called the Signal Flex PS-9.  Black box
> > with several leads coming out of it that plug into
> > my
> > various fx pedals and powers them all.  I read a
> > review just now that said this one is noisy, but
> > I've
> > never had any.  There are other models out there
> as
> > well.
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I'm using a Dunlop DC Brick to power my pedals. There are (7) 9V and
(3) 18V connections available. To invert the power for my DL-4 and Startouch
A-B-Y Pedal, I am using a 1-SPOT DC Inverter...it costs about $2.99 or so.

Oh, yeah...and the DC Brick is quiet, too! No annoying hum.

Hope this helps!

Happy looping...

Ed in NJ



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Hello Loopers-Delight,

  I have an effects board with several things including a guitar synth
  and looper. Each one needs its own AC adapter to step down the
  voltage, (big UK plugs), so I need to use a big power strip.

  I see some of the manufactured pedal boards have one power socket
  which seems to power a number of pedals.

  I was wondering if you can buy one adapter that you can run several
  pedals from? Does such a thing exist?

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How much would you be willing to pay for that box?  I suspect it's
overkill for most of the market and would come in around $300-400.


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:07:39 -0800 (PST), Randy Leifer
<redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least
> TRY to design a:
> 
> -one unit box (rack mount or table-top)
> -that would replace all my wall-warts
> -including:
> ---ac to dc (most common)
> ---ac to ac (some gear uses these)
> ---individual circuit protection
> ---rf / line filtering throughout
> ---sequential power-up
> ---individual on/off switches
> ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the
> values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed)
> 
> any thoughts?

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> Subject:
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>http://www.candisc.com/ranger/manuals1.htm
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>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:16:23 -0600, Shayne Cafferata
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>>> i'm beginning to doubt the existence of said manual. so i'm asking
>>> everywhere. does anyone know where i can find one?
>>> thanks,
>>> shayne
>>
thank you, travis!
finally!
shayne

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:16:23 -0600, Shayne Cafferata
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Travis wrote:

"How much would you be willing to pay for that box?  I
suspect it's
overkill for most of the market and would come in
around $300-400."

Yeh, well, I said I'd try.. :)

I could build a plywood box with a power strip and all
the wall warts Duck Taped  firmly inside.....that
wouldn't cost more than 20 bucks!!

 (ha ha)

Looks like that's why the JuiceGoose is
discontinued......it stopped laying golden eggs.

=RANDY=


		
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Hi LD,

sorry for OT..
This is my new CD release information.


An Impulse of Acoustic
Sunao Inami
electr-ohm TCCD-20051 (CD only)

9 songs, Total Time 68:04.

Sunao Inami
Computer Generated Instrumentation

All Songs Written by Sunao Inami
Recorded and Mixed at CAVE Studio(Kobe) in Jan - Feb 2005

Additional Musicians
Luca Formentini  www.unguitar.com
Processed Guitars

Slacknote   www.slacknote.com
Bass & Buzz

Ian Burgers
Vocal Acrobatics


Produced by Sunao Inami
Sunao Inami uses Waldorf Synthesizers


Some details,mp3 and mail order available:
http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/


  Thanks

  Sunao Inami
http://www.cavestudio.com

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I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.

The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.

There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature
under my desk.)

The Tascam ($499 fx version): 

PLUS:
--40 gig hard disk
--eight tracks (see minus)
--looping/repeat feature(I believe one track at a
time) 
--midi sync out
--upload to PC via USB
--two phantom powered mic inputs
MINUS:
--no battery operation (no field recording)
--16/44.1 only
--only two tracks can be recorded "live" at once
--the "fx" version is 100 bucks more ($399 w/o)good
for resale value??

The Edirol ($439)

PLUS: 
--small size
--uses two AA batteries or rechargables
--24khz/44.1 or mp3
--small size
MINUS:
--uses CF card, 2 gig/some 4gig card$$
--comes w/64mb card, must spend more $$ on bigger
card.
--no mic phantom power
--if using the mic jack, must be a stereo mic
--from what I can tell it ONLY records 24 bit, no 16
bit (no manual on-line)


that's what I came up with this evening.

=RANDY=


		
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Hello Loopers-Delight,

  Thanks everyone for the replies - there seem to be quite a few links
  here to follow up.

  A further question: are any of you in the UK? We have a different
  plug size and as far as I know different voltage from the US and I
  wonder if any of you use these American adaptors discussed here. If
  so can you just use a standard transatlantic adaptor? If not are
  there any that work with UK plugs?

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Happy to read your comments, but let me add something.

In the last ten years, the musical industry has required to the artists long
audio CD.
I remember in the '70 and early '80 an LP covered about 35-45 min.
After that, came out the "track ghost"; the "bonus track", the "CDRom
track"...in a few words: a 35-45 min. LP has evolved in a 60-70 min CD.
Maybe, it's for justify the high prices for buying CD ....;-)

Sometimes, even if I'm hearing my preferred artist or CD, I'm tired to hear
the same "sound" for 70 minutes.
For this reason, It's not a problem for me that Side One is a "short" CD (or
EP, if you like). At the end, I taste the pleasure that I'll get next time
I'll play that CD.

In my opinion, make "unfinished songs" is tipical for Adrian Belew.
But he's not Peter Gabriel !
Belew has his spontaneus way to make music.
In his works, there are always mixed parts or sounds that feel "out of
control", but I think he does it intentionally.....because of his "crazy"
music approach !

My favourite album is Twang Bar King

Fabio


Just few songs, sounds like


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark sottilaro" <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Adrian Belew


> I'd totally agree with that review.  Feels almost like
> an EP to me.  Also songs feel unfinished to some
> degree.  Great ideas that he didn't spend the time to
> work to their conclusion.  If you're a fan, get it.
> There are some nice cuts and great performances.  If
> you're not and looking for a taste, skip it and go for
> Desire of the Lone Rino King.
>
> Mark
>
> --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> > Fabio,
> >
> > I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us
> > aware of it.
> >
> > There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for
> > streaming at:
> >
> >
> http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3
> >
> > Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly
> > about it's being
> > too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing
> > but respect
> > for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get
> > around to buying
> > this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out
> > later this year.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > tEd � kiLLiAn
> >
> > "Different is not always better, but better is
> > always different"
> >
> > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
> > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
> > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
> >
> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
> >
> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
> >
> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
> >
> > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at:
> > Apple iTunes,
> > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic,
> > Napster,
> > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,
> > Etherstream,
> > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,
> > Puretracks,
> > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.
> > So???
> >
> > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean
> > you're an artist."
> >
>
>
>
> -- 
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This is a very good point.
I was compiling material for a CD and it added up to 38 minutes.
Then I thought it was too short and started throwing in more and more stuff
but probably I should have left it at those 38.
Now the project is on hold again. There must have been a reason why I'd
chosen those 38 minutes...

Bernhard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 24. März 2005 10:26
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs
>
>
> Happy to read your comments, but let me add something.
>
> In the last ten years, the musical industry has required to the
> artists long
> audio CD.
> I remember in the '70 and early '80 an LP covered about 35-45 min.
> After that, came out the "track ghost"; the "bonus track", the "CDRom
> track"...in a few words: a 35-45 min. LP has evolved in a 60-70 min CD.
> Maybe, it's for justify the high prices for buying CD ....;-)
>
> Sometimes, even if I'm hearing my preferred artist or CD, I'm
> tired to hear
> the same "sound" for 70 minutes.
> For this reason, It's not a problem for me that Side One is a
> "short" CD (or
> EP, if you like). At the end, I taste the pleasure that I'll get next time
> I'll play that CD.
>
> In my opinion, make "unfinished songs" is tipical for Adrian Belew.
> But he's not Peter Gabriel !
> Belew has his spontaneus way to make music.
> In his works, there are always mixed parts or sounds that feel "out of
> control", but I think he does it intentionally.....because of his "crazy"
> music approach !
>
> My favourite album is Twang Bar King
>
> Fabio
>
>
> Just few songs, sounds like
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark sottilaro" <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Adrian Belew
>
>
> > I'd totally agree with that review.  Feels almost like
> > an EP to me.  Also songs feel unfinished to some
> > degree.  Great ideas that he didn't spend the time to
> > work to their conclusion.  If you're a fan, get it.
> > There are some nice cuts and great performances.  If
> > you're not and looking for a taste, skip it and go for
> > Desire of the Lone Rino King.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> > > Fabio,
> > >
> > > I haven't bought the CD yet. Thanks for making us
> > > aware of it.
> > >
> > > There's an interesting sample "teaser" posted for
> > > streaming at:
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.murple.com/media/adrianbelew-sideoneteaser.mp3
> > >
> > > Criticism that I've read about the CD is mostly
> > > about it's being
> > > too short (only about 30 mins long). I have nothing
> > > but respect
> > > for Mr. Belew but I may wait awhile before I get
> > > around to buying
> > > this one. Perhaps I'll wait 'til all 3 sides are out
> > > later this year.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > tEd � kiLLiAn
> > >
> > > "Different is not always better, but better is
> > > always different"
> > >
> > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
> > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
> > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
> > >
> > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
> > >
> > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
> > >
> > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
> > >
> > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at:
> > > Apple iTunes,
> > > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic,
> > > Napster,
> > > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,
> > > Etherstream,
> > > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,
> > > Puretracks,
> > > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.
> > > So???
> > >
> > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean
> > > you're an artist."
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Doug wrote:
"http://www.voodoolab.com/pedpower.html
This is pretty close.  Or did you know about the PP2, and were just
adding a few things?"

Really nice, but $165 list price?    Ouch,  that's out of my league.

Doug also wrote:
"I like the "sag" feature on 2 of the 9V converters on the PP2.  It can
make fuzzes and overdrive pedals take on a new set of tones."

That is very cool.   Ever since I discovered that my old SK-1 Casio sampler
did bizarre, unpredictable and very, very cool things as it's batteries ran 
out
I have saved all of my 9 volt batteries as they start to die.

It's really great just switching out several almost deplete batteries into 
stomp box pedals
just to hear how they freak out.

You just have to sample the results immediately because they will do 
wonderful and strange things
that will never repeat themselves.

A cool,  random feature of stomp box pedals, but then John Frusciante was 
just quoted in Electronic Music
saying to the effect of  "Human beings are the best random pattern 
generators"


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Also strongly recommend =B3The Legend of 1900,=B2 with Tim Roth, if you can fin=
d
it. I think they=B9ve stopped distributing it in the US, but it shows up on
cable TV every so often. A beautiful film about music.

Dan






on 3/19/05 11:22 AM, David Coffin at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote:

> Just saw an amazing film: The Story of the Weeping Camel
> It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in
> simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in
> rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the
> desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and then
> go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged
> make-believe.
>=20
> http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html
>=20
> In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: yurts,
> Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth to
> a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come
> and perform the reuniting ritual...
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> dc
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At 08:45 PM 3/23/2005, Randy Leifer wrote:
>Doug wrote:
>
> >"This is pretty close.  Or did you know about the
>PP2, and were just
>adding a few things?"
>
>I am refering to my rack gear's adapters, or all wall
>warts. Will that box work with other stuff besides
>battery powered pedal boxes?
>I have some gear from MAM, that uses 120vAC to 9
>or12vAC, as well as the more common 120vAC to DC
>warts.

I'm in the exact same situation, and also was looking around for a solution 
lately.  There's also a new(?) model of the PP, the Pedal Power AC.  It's 
simple and features 120vAC to 9vAC (two dedicated plugs) or 12vAC (two 
plugs switchable between 9v & 12v).  Nothing about it up on the Voodoo Lab 
website yet -- which is kind of weird, but it looks like they only update 
the thing about once a year.  However, it's already in the catalogs for all 
the major online music retailers.  Looks like release date is tomorrow, as 
a matter of fact.

Here's one ad (courtesy of Froogle) that actually features an image, but 
you can find similar descriptions at AMS, Zzounds, etc.

                 http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h28157.htm

         --m.

_____
"Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings"
    

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This one looks pretty sweet:
http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3629&CatID=19&SubCatID=180
-Hans


Randy Leifer wrote:

>I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
>
>The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
>
>There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
>desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
>SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
>equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
>outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature
>under my desk.)
>
>The Tascam ($499 fx version): 
>
>PLUS:
>--40 gig hard disk
>--eight tracks (see minus)
>--looping/repeat feature(I believe one track at a
>time) 
>--midi sync out
>--upload to PC via USB
>--two phantom powered mic inputs
>MINUS:
>--no battery operation (no field recording)
>--16/44.1 only
>--only two tracks can be recorded "live" at once
>--the "fx" version is 100 bucks more ($399 w/o)good
>for resale value??
>
>The Edirol ($439)
>
>PLUS: 
>--small size
>--uses two AA batteries or rechargables
>--24khz/44.1 or mp3
>--small size
>MINUS:
>--uses CF card, 2 gig/some 4gig card$$
>--comes w/64mb card, must spend more $$ on bigger
>card.
>--no mic phantom power
>--if using the mic jack, must be a stereo mic
>--from what I can tell it ONLY records 24 bit, no 16
>bit (no manual on-line)
>
>
>that's what I came up with this evening.
>
>=RANDY=
>

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Another:  "Brother to Sleep"  -paul



On Mar 24, 2005, at 6:20 AM, Dan Soltzberg wrote:

> Also strongly recommend =93The Legend of 1900,=94 with Tim Roth, if =
you=20
> can find it. I think they=92ve stopped distributing it in the US, but =
it=20
> shows up on cable TV every so often. A beautiful film about music.
>
>  Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  on 3/19/05 11:22 AM, David Coffin at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
> Just saw an amazing film: The Story of the Weeping Camel
>  It's on DVD, available thru Netflix...if you have any interest in
>  simple traditional living in the modern world, the power of music in
>  rituals, or if you want to see where a LOT of the inspiration for the
>  desert worlds in Star Wars MUST have come from, check it out...and=20
> then
>  go to the website to convince yourself that it wasn't all staged
>  make-believe.
>
>  http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html
>
>  In short, it's a documentary about nomadic herders in Mongolia: =
yurts,
>  Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc. One of their camels gives birth =
to
>  a colt that she rejects, so the herders call for a violinist to come
>  and perform the reuniting ritual...
>
>  dc
>
>
>
> =20
> =20=

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Another:  "Brother to Sleep"  -paul




On Mar 24, 2005, at 6:20 AM, Dan Soltzberg wrote:


<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Verdana</param>Also strongly recommend
=93The Legend of 1900,=94 with Tim Roth, if you can find it. I think
they=92ve stopped distributing it in the US, but it shows up on cable TV
every so often. A beautiful film about music.</fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> Dan</fontfamily>







<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> on 3/19/05 11:22 AM, David Coffin
at dpcoffin@earthlink.net wrote:</fontfamily>



<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param>Just saw an amazing film: The Story
of the Weeping Camel</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> It's on DVD, available thru
Netflix...if you have any interest in</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> simple traditional living in the
modern world, the power of music in</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> rituals, or if you want to see
where a LOT of the inspiration for the</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> desert worlds in Star Wars MUST
have come from, check it out...and then</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> go to the website to convince
yourself that it wasn't all staged</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> make-believe.</fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param>
http://www.thinkfilmcompany.com/weepingcamel/index2.html</fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> In short, it's a documentary about
nomadic herders in Mongolia: yurts,</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> Gobi Desert, big furry camels, etc.
One of their camels gives birth to</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> a colt that she rejects, so the
herders call for a violinist to come</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> and perform the reuniting =
ritual...</fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> dc</fontfamily>




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I got the Marantz PMD670 (which is the bigger brother of the one for  
which
Hans provided the URL).
It's very nice (as I suspect the PMD660 is - and the 660 is much  
smaller if that's an issue).
It is wonderful that there are no moving parts (no heads to clean or  
wear down, no tapes,
no capstands, no wheels, no spinning disks, no transports, etc. etc.).  
With a couple of
2GB compact flash cards I have over 6 (over 3 per card) hours of  
recording time at 44.1MHz sampling
rate (straight to .wav file).

Last weekend I recorded a whole wedding ceremony on battery (there  
wasn't a handy outlet nearby) using
an Audio Technica stereo mic (AT822). The results were very good. When  
I got home I just popped out the
card, popped it into my card reader on the computer (I could have  
plugged the recorder into the computer
but using the card reader is easier) and off I went (copying to the  
hard drive and editing with Peak).

On Mar 24, 2005, at 8:31 AM, armatronix wrote:

> This one looks pretty sweet:
> http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp? 
> FolderID=3629&CatID=19&SubCatID=180
> -Hans
>
>
> Randy Leifer wrote:
>
>> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
>>
>> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
>>
>> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
>> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
>> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
>> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
>> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature
>> under my desk.)
>>
>> The Tascam ($499 fx version):
>> PLUS:
>> --40 gig hard disk
>> --eight tracks (see minus)
>> --looping/repeat feature(I believe one track at a
>> time) --midi sync out
>> --upload to PC via USB
>> --two phantom powered mic inputs
>> MINUS:
>> --no battery operation (no field recording)
>> --16/44.1 only
>> --only two tracks can be recorded "live" at once
>> --the "fx" version is 100 bucks more ($399 w/o)good
>> for resale value??
>>
>> The Edirol ($439)
>>
>> PLUS: --small size
>> --uses two AA batteries or rechargables
>> --24khz/44.1 or mp3
>> --small size
>> MINUS:
>> --uses CF card, 2 gig/some 4gig card$$
>> --comes w/64mb card, must spend more $$ on bigger
>> card.
>> --no mic phantom power
>> --if using the mic jack, must be a stereo mic
>> --from what I can tell it ONLY records 24 bit, no 16
>> bit (no manual on-line)
>>
>>
>> that's what I came up with this evening.
>>
>> =RANDY=
>>
>
>
--
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"Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do 
most, if not all of the above?"

I have one, and no, it doesn't. It does do 18v, but that's its only special trick.
~Tim



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>
>  > Boy, if I were an electrical designer I would at least
>>  TRY to design a:
>>
>>  -one unit box (rack mount or table-top)
>>  -that would replace all my wall-warts
>>  -including:
>>  ---ac to dc (most common)
>>  ---ac to ac (some gear uses these)
>>  ---individual circuit protection
>>  ---rf / line filtering throughout
>>  ---sequential power-up
>>  ---individual on/off switches
>>  ---easy acsess internal voltage adjustment (so the
>  > values can't get "bumbed" and accidentally changed)

Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do 
most, if not all of the above?

Jeff


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At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote:
>I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
>
>The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
>
>There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
>desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
>SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
>equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
>outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea creature
>under my desk.)


Or you could try the PDAudio from http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't 
seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's has been great.


Edwin
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Fabio Anile wrote:

>My favourite album is Twang Bar King
>  
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agree !
luca

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Luca Formentini wrote:

> Fabio Anile wrote:
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>> My favourite album is Twang Bar King
>>  
>>
> agree !
> luca
>
>
Those first two albums, Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King were amazing.

I heard the TBK tour twice in one night at Rutgers.

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Indeed I too love that album I guess with the most recent CD copy I am onto
my third copy LP (where that went I know not) Cassette (to replace the
missing LP) and CD to replace the worn out cassette. Whats will be the next
media I already exported it to mp3 so, I can't include that?
;D 

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Fabio Anile wrote:

>My favourite album is Twang Bar King
>  
>
agree !
luca


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I still like Lone Rhino best...'The Momur' is one of my all time fave 
songs...

Dennis

Alan Kroeger wrote:

>Indeed I too love that album I guess with the most recent CD copy I am onto
>my third copy LP (where that went I know not) Cassette (to replace the
>missing LP) and CD to replace the worn out cassette. Whats will be the next
>media I already exported it to mp3 so, I can't include that?
>;D 
>
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>  
>
>>My favourite album is Twang Bar King
>> 
>>
>>    
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> Fabio Anile wrote:
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>> My favourite album is Twang Bar King
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> agree !
> luca
> 


gotta pipe in-ADRIANBELEW will always be in a special place for
me-guitarrilee/loopinglee speakin...
i would have a very hard time calling one album a favorite-i still feel his
best work is as a hired gun-the things he brings to other peoples
songs/albums is so unique and musickee-the list is long-'REMAIN IN LIGHT' by
talking heads is a highlight-the stuff he did on david byrne/twyla tharp
'the catherine wheel'-
'left handed dream' by ryuichi sakmoto-to name a few o' my favs...
my whole guitar rig in the 80s was totally based on his setup:beat up strat
into numerous Electro-Harmonix(including 16secDDL) into a Roland JC120-you
can get waaaay outt w/ that stuff and i did thanx to AB...
last time i talked to him i blamed him for my <BIG MUFF(s)> obsession-he
said he was "sorry" and i believed him.
s
(got "the bears club cafe" dvd-adrian's club band live-and it just lies
there for me-playin way too safe) 

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I'll never forget seeing King Crimson in the spring of 1982 at UMASS 
Amherst. Adrian was like a little boy in a candy store, all over the 
stage. I was high up enough that I could see the tape marks on the 
stage where he had laid out all the various feedback positions.

Even Mr Fripp got into the spirit of things by the end of the night, 
kicking over his stool and rocking out like he was in Steel Dragon!

If I only had a tape of that one........
Edwin
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Hi gang,

A friend here is selling his Repeater for USD 852. It's rarely used. 
Has stayed in his home while he has been working in studios and 
rehearsing with bands.

Greetings from Sweden

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Stan-o-saur,

In a message dated 03/24/05 11:44:12, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:

> gotta pipe in-ADRIAN BELEW will always be in a special place for me
>=20
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and again after a SoCal King Crimson show during the "Thrak" tour. Both=20
times Belew was friendly, enthusiastic and even chatty -- the precise=20
opposite=20
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te <BR>
reputation of Mr. Fripp (whom I also admire but, just the same, feel that I=20=
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Sony Records refused to release the quirky Jon Brion produced
Fiona Apple CD.

Here are the mp3s to download for free.

http://www.geekdreams.com/mp3/fiona_apple/

Jon is reputed to do a very hip once a week live looping gig in Los Angeles
but I haven't been to it yet.

Reviews?

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about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to all
accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was on tour
w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop show(which i have =
a
video of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ soundcheck and he stopped
playing, went over to the guy producing and screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY
BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for awhile-so i guess we all have our
limits :-)
s

Stan-o-saur,

In a message dated 03/24/05 11:44:12, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:

gotta pipe in-ADRIAN BELEW will always be in a special place for me

I agree with you there. He is a one-of-a-kind great musician and a great
guy. I met him twice -- both times because of my employment with Seymour
Duncan. Seymour used to be something like Belew's "manager" at one point
(they're old chums anyway). Knowing I was a big Belew fan, Seymour took
me along and introduced me to Adrian once at a Nashville NAMM show
and again after a SoCal King Crimson show during the "Thrak" tour. Both
times Belew was friendly, enthusiastic and even chatty -- the precise
opposite=20
reputation of Mr. Fripp (whom I also admire but, just the same, feel that I
would=20
not get on very well with if I ever met him).

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20



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. Both <BR>
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ite <BR>
reputation of Mr. Fripp (whom I also admire but, just the same, feel that I=
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Wow--Belew has a bald spot?  Who'd have guessed.


On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:56:42 -0800, stanitarium@earthlink.net
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>  about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to all
> accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was on tour
> w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop show(which i have a
> video of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ soundcheck and he stopped
> playing, went over to the guy producing and screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY
> BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for awhile-so i guess we all have our
> limits :-)
>  s
>

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On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:56 PM, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:
>  about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant according to 
> all accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to me while i was 
> on tour w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew solo/loop 
> show(which i have a video of!) and the camera guy got behind Adrian @ 
> soundcheck and he stopped playing, went over to the guy producing and 
> screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY BALD SPOT"!! and i guess it went on for 
> awhile-so i guess we all have our limits :-)


That's a pretty funny story (the subtle onset of my bald spot wigs me 
out a little), but having spent a lot of time with adrian, on the road 
and in the studio, I have actually never seen him be nasty to any one. 
Another funny thing about Belew is that as far as I have witnessed he 
treats every one the same: from a celebrity to some unknown kid that is 
a fan. He is just cool to everyone and always happy to share stories 
with fans and such.

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On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:56 PM, <<stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

<excerpt> about Belew's disposition: he is usually very pleasant
according to all accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story told to
me while i was on tour w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live Belew
solo/loop show(which i have a video of!) and the camera guy got behind
Adrian @ soundcheck and he stopped playing, went over to the guy
producing and screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY BALD SPOT"!! and i guess
it went on for awhile-so i guess we all have our limits :-)

</excerpt>


That's a pretty funny story (the subtle onset of my bald spot wigs me
out a little), but having spent a lot of time with adrian, on the road
and in the studio, I have actually never seen him be nasty to any one.
Another funny thing about Belew is that as far as I have witnessed he
treats every one the same: from a celebrity to some unknown kid that
is a fan. He is just cool to everyone and always happy to share
stories with fans and such.


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I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King Crimson mailing list 
a few years ago.  In the late 90's, there were a few posters who began a 
heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion.  After awhile, 
Adrian replied with the following "diatribe":

http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html

Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of Light' and of 
course 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading too much 
elephant talk, chit-chat.  Art imitates life again :-)

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Hi
Is there a way to read the messages on the internet without receiving the
emails from the list, and be able to reply to messages at the same time?
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-----Original Message-----
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I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King Crimson mailing list a
few years ago.  In the late 90's, there were a few posters who began a
heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion.  After awhile, Adrian
replied with the following "diatribe":

http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html

Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of Light' and of course
'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading too much elephant talk,
chit-chat.  Art imitates life again :-)

Dennis


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(I forgot to change the subject in my other mail, sorry)
Hi
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emails from the list, and be able to reply to messages at the same time?
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: jeudi 24 mars 2005 23:45
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King Crimson mailing list a
few years ago.  In the late 90's, there were a few posters who began a
heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion.  After awhile, Adrian
replied with the following "diatribe":

http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html

Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of Light' and of course
'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading too much elephant talk,
chit-chat.  Art imitates life again :-)

Dennis


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I've seen him 10 or 12 times, I go every time I'm in town. He plays 
every Friday at Largo. I've seen Fiona sit in with him a couple times, too.
He is a great looper.
Henry


loop.pool wrote:

> Sony Records refused to release the quirky Jon Brion produced
> Fiona Apple CD.
> 
> Here are the mp3s to download for free.
> 
> http://www.geekdreams.com/mp3/fiona_apple/
> 
> Jon is reputed to do a very hip once a week live looping gig in Los Angeles
> but I haven't been to it yet.
> 
> Reviews?

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1. does anyone have/use one of the zoom gfx707 II multi-effects boxes (one w/ foot pedal),
don't they have a smart media card thingy to use w/ a sampler? does it work? good? bad? reasons why it isn't the uber-looper, etc?
just curious if anyone had any experience with them?
 
2. also, i bought a gemini sampler a long while ago and had trouble setting it up w/ my guitar-based system (i'm old school inline from one box to next into my digital recorder w/ 1/4" cords), is this something i need to get a mixer to use w/ the rca ins & outs ?
just curious....
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what does he use for loopage? inquiring loopy minds want to know! =-) PJ

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Aha!
Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange
one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it
from Dunlop.
~Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Palmer <jimp@pobox.com>
> To: <mungenast@earthlink.net>
> Date: 3/24/2005 11:46:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Re:AC adapters
>
> er, well i have one and it does have several of these features..
> ex 9vac out the back, 4 isolated outputs, mode switches on the bottom
> allow several dc voltages, etc...
>
> is there more than one juicebox?
> here is an old ref for the one i have:
http://www.aspectdesignlabs.com/faq.htm
>
>
> > "Doesn't (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the Juicebox do 
> > most, if not all of the above?"
> > 
> > I have one, and no, it doesn't. It does do 18v, but that's its only
special trick.
> > ~Tim
> > 
> > 
>


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>Aha!
>Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange
>one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it
>from Dunlop.

Right...here's the product I was referring to:

http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164

I think it's probably the best product on the market currently.

Jeff

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The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued for
quite some time.
A new production run with several updates are ready to start. Check this
thead for some
more info at the Gearpage forum.

"5 Isolated outputs (4 DC and 1 AC):
2 x 9vdc @ 500ma each with 4 standard tip neg jacks
(the first jack on each of the 9vdc ISO's have a VBat circuit)
1 x adjustable from 4.5 - 21vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks
1 x adjustable from 7.5 - 24vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks
1 x 12VAC @ 1.5A (Line 6 POD XT, H&K, Digitech, etc.....)
We retained the 120vac / 3 prong aux jack on the back as well
The two built in VBat circuits and all DIP switches for setting voltages are
on the front panel!

The enclosure is all sheet metal (designed by me) and is rugged as
heck....much sturdier than our old enclosure.

OK - Pricing will be between $239 - $249 with your choice of 10 molded power
cables (one right angle to one straight.)"
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=21e069a8dec377851d2d186d875230d5&threadid=72257&highlight=juicebox
-------------------------------------------------------
A couple of other power supplies;

Italien Masotti PW-4
PS! Will custom make according to spesific needs.

"PW4 is the solution to ground loops problems in complex pedalboards and it
is developed in cooperation with professional guitar players. Each channel
is filtered and stabilized separately and there is a total isolation between
the outputs.
Since current capability of the channel is redundant (consumption of an
analog effect like TS9 is a few mA, while a digital pedal is about 50-60mA),
PW4 is useful also for more than four effects. Of course you loose total
absence of loops but, in most cases the four isolated outputs allow to avoid
hum and noise presence in the signal. Due to large current room, each
channel has two connectors to power directly eight effects with standard
cables. Isolation between channels allows to have a 18V out with a special
cable delivered upo request. Furthermore, we can ship PW4 with any standard
voltage (5,9,12,15 or 18V) in one channel free of charge. For special needs
we can modify a channel with a continuous voltage regulation."
http://www.masottiamp.it/std-pw4.html

Cioks
Cioks Double Jack
Power adapter for pedals 5x9V and 2x12V outputs (230V only) more ğ
Price: 99.41 EUR

Cioks Big John
Power adapter for pedals 7x9V outputs (230V only) more ğ
Price: 89.00 EUR

Cioks Booster Flex 9-18V
Flex cable with built-in 9 to 18V step-up voltage converter. A simple way of
using a 9V output for powering an 18V pedal.
Price: 40.00 EUR .

Plus cusatom poer cables, split cables etc.
http://www.custom-sounds.com/epages/customsounds.storefront/42438ee902890d8a2741d94dcd01067c/Catalog/1022
http://www.cioks.com/

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Shirkey" <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
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> >Aha!
> >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange
> >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it
> >from Dunlop.
>
> Right...here's the product I was referring to:
>
> http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164
>
> I think it's probably the best product on the market currently.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>


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Back in 83 I worked for Laurie Anderson during the
audio preproduction of Home of The Brave and I was one
of the recipients of that treatment.  I think I was
wearing a "Hard Day's Night" tee shirt and he came
right up to me (he was the guitarist on the project)
and started chatting about The Beatles.  Great man.

Mark

--- Ronan Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:56 PM,
> <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >  about Belew's disposition: he is usually very
> pleasant according to 
> > all accounts and mine, EXCEPT this little story
> told to me while i was 
> > on tour w/ MERMEN-someone was videotaping a live
> Belew solo/loop 
> > show(which i have a video of!) and the camera guy
> got behind Adrian @ 
> > soundcheck and he stopped playing, went over to
> the guy producing and 
> > screamed about "NO SHOTS OF MY BALD SPOT"!! and i
> guess it went on for 
> > awhile-so i guess we all have our limits :-)
> 
> 
> That's a pretty funny story (the subtle onset of my
> bald spot wigs me 
> out a little), but having spent a lot of time with
> adrian, on the road 
> and in the studio, I have actually never seen him be
> nasty to any one. 
> Another funny thing about Belew is that as far as I
> have witnessed he 
> treats every one the same: from a celebrity to some
> unknown kid that is 
> a fan. He is just cool to everyone and always happy
> to share stories 
> with fans and such.
> 
> Ronan Chris Murphy
> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King
> Crimson, Chucho Valdes, 
> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the
> world teaching the 
> art and craft of recording )
> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise
> duo since Sonny & 
> Cher)

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At 05:49 PM 3/24/2005, PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:
>what does he use for loopage? inquiring loopy minds want to know! =-) PJ

Jon Brion uses EDP's. In fact, I think he is the record holder for most 
EDP's owned by one person.

I'd love to see him play live also, hopefully I can make it to LA for that 
some day.

But short of that, you can hear his work in a number of really great movie 
soundtracks he composed. For example, I Heart Huckabees, Magnolia (with 
Aimee Mann), Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Punch Drunk Love.

http://idiot-dog.com/music/brion.jon/indexi.html

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OK, I put looper in there, but it's pretty ot.  You
guys are always a great resource and I'm curious to
hear your opinion on what a good floor standing (I
wouldn't be opposed to a sub/sat system I've just
always felt they were lacking somewhere near the
crossover) speakers that are around $1K a pair.

Lay it on me.

Mark

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Event 20/20bas
Event Precision 8s
Genelec 1031 (but that's out of the 1k range)

Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, 
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the 
art and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & 
Cher)


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> OK, I put looper in there, but it's pretty ot.  You
> guys are always a great resource and I'm curious to
> hear your opinion on what a good floor standing (I
> wouldn't be opposed to a sub/sat system I've just
> always felt they were lacking somewhere near the
> crossover) speakers that are around $1K a pair.

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Event 20/20bas

Event Precision 8s

Genelec 1031 (but that's out of the 1k range)


<smaller>Ronan Chris Murphy

www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )

www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)


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<excerpt>OK, I put looper in there, but it's pretty ot.  You

guys are always a great resource and I'm curious to

hear your opinion on what a good floor standing (I

wouldn't be opposed to a sub/sat system I've just

always felt they were lacking somewhere near the

crossover) speakers that are around $1K a pair.

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I use JBL LSR25ps with a Tannoy TS10 subwoofer in my home studio 
room. In my living room I have a pair of B&W DM330s in the front of a 
surround setup with Paradigm Mini Mk IIIs in the rear.

One of the reason I have both sets of speakers is that they were both 
very reasonable. I got the JBLs  for $200 for the pair on ebay as the 
seller thought one was broken (10 minute fix). I used a pair of 
Tannoy Reveal passives  (powered with a McIntosh 2105) prior to 
these, but found them a little weird in the mids. I find that mixes 
translate a lot better with the JBLs and they are also easy to bring 
to location recording gigs. They also take a severe beating without a 
complaint. I am sure that there are better speakers out there, but I 
like these pretty well and I couldn't beat the price.

The B&Ws were $30 at the local electronics surplus store and only 
needed a replacement tweeter diaphragm. They aren't bad and being a 
sealed box, don't have a really hyped boomy low end, but do go there 
if they need to.




On another note, I am trying to get a Behringer FCB1010 to play nice 
with my Jamman with Sellon update. Does anyone have any tips on 
navigating the FCB to program the unit? I think I get it, but I am 
not sure and the Jamman doesn't seem to completely operate the way I 
would expect. I have RTFM, but it doesn't seem completely clear. 
Maybe I'm just getting old.

Edwin
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When I listen to music that has no loops, I go into my
mirrored listening room........(and reflect on what to
do if there is an earthquake.)

No, really, if I'm doing casual listening, I'll do it
on home hi-fi speakers. Forget all those flat
analytical studio monitors....I don't care if hi-fi
speakers are "rolled off" dammit, they just sound
better.

For recording/mixing, studio's are great, but to relax
to? NO.
I use Vandersteen 2ce, or Mission 782 (1989), or
System Audio 1270.

=Randy=


		
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Found another Power Supply maker today ;
Lee Jackson.
Also makes amps and a new line of pedals.

POWER II
Custom Regulated Supplies:
This Power supply can be set up with multiple dc voltages (Like 9vdc and
12vdc) at 500 ma each.

POWER I
Custom Regulated Power Supplies:
This supply is (9.3vdc 1.2 amps), (8) isolated dc outputs for your favorite
effects, Plus (1) A.C. connector for that A.C.hungry effect.

POWER II
Let us Custom Modify your favorite amp. (Call for options)

http://www.leejackson.com/Power.htm

From: "Torstein H. Rem" <thelgere@online.no>
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> The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued
for
> quite some time.
> A new production run with several updates are ready to start. Check this
> thead for some
> more info at the Gearpage forum.
>
> "5 Isolated outputs (4 DC and 1 AC):
> 2 x 9vdc @ 500ma each with 4 standard tip neg jacks
> (the first jack on each of the 9vdc ISO's have a VBat circuit)
> 1 x adjustable from 4.5 - 21vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks
> 1 x adjustable from 7.5 - 24vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks
> 1 x 12VAC @ 1.5A (Line 6 POD XT, H&K, Digitech, etc.....)
> We retained the 120vac / 3 prong aux jack on the back as well
> The two built in VBat circuits and all DIP switches for setting voltages
are
> on the front panel!
>
> The enclosure is all sheet metal (designed by me) and is rugged as
> heck....much sturdier than our old enclosure.
>
> OK - Pricing will be between $239 - $249 with your choice of 10 molded
power
> cables (one right angle to one straight.)"
>
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=21e069a8dec377851d2d186d875230d5&threadid=72257&highlight=juicebox
> -------------------------------------------------------
> A couple of other power supplies;
>
> Italien Masotti PW-4
> PS! Will custom make according to spesific needs.
>
> "PW4 is the solution to ground loops problems in complex pedalboards and
it
> is developed in cooperation with professional guitar players. Each channel
> is filtered and stabilized separately and there is a total isolation
between
> the outputs.
> Since current capability of the channel is redundant (consumption of an
> analog effect like TS9 is a few mA, while a digital pedal is about
50-60mA),
> PW4 is useful also for more than four effects. Of course you loose total
> absence of loops but, in most cases the four isolated outputs allow to
avoid
> hum and noise presence in the signal. Due to large current room, each
> channel has two connectors to power directly eight effects with standard
> cables. Isolation between channels allows to have a 18V out with a special
> cable delivered upo request. Furthermore, we can ship PW4 with any
standard
> voltage (5,9,12,15 or 18V) in one channel free of charge. For special
needs
> we can modify a channel with a continuous voltage regulation."
> http://www.masottiamp.it/std-pw4.html
>
> Cioks
> Cioks Double Jack
> Power adapter for pedals 5x9V and 2x12V outputs (230V only) more ğ
> Price: 99.41 EUR
>
> Cioks Big John
> Power adapter for pedals 7x9V outputs (230V only) more ğ
> Price: 89.00 EUR
>
> Cioks Booster Flex 9-18V
> Flex cable with built-in 9 to 18V step-up voltage converter. A simple way
of
> using a 9V output for powering an 18V pedal.
> Price: 40.00 EUR .
>
> Plus cusatom poer cables, split cables etc.
>
http://www.custom-sounds.com/epages/customsounds.storefront/42438ee902890d8a2741d94dcd01067c/Catalog/1022
> http://www.cioks.com/
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Shirkey" <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: one name, many different products Re: Re:AC adapters
>
>
> > >Aha!
> > >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright
orange
> > >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole
it
> > >from Dunlop.
> >
> > Right...here's the product I was referring to:
> >
> > http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164
> >
> > I think it's probably the best product on the market currently.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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>The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued for
>quite some time.
>A new production run with several updates are ready to start.

They make them in small batches. I have one with the new updates. 
Looks like they sold out (no surprise), and more more with coming 
shortly.

Jeff

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At 20:31 23/03/05, you wrote:
>>Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic user. I
>>will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an ASIO
>>capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program.

hi Tony,
Quite right, and luckily he saw anyway.

The EDP has a lot of features designed to allow the manipulation of loops 
well beyond the the "loop/overdub/feedback" norm.
Mobius incorporates some of those, particularly the more commonly used 
ones, it also has new features not found in the EDP. I don't see it as 
having stuff missing, rather that it's a different beast altogether which 
incorporates a lot of EDP ideas.

I'm partly responsible for some of the EDP Interface Modes, so probably I 
overestimate their importance ( there's plenty of stuff in there no-one 
exploited yet).

hi Jeff
Your take on Loop Windowing sounds very promising.


"Reverse Snipplets" was an effect that was easy in loop3.
Ending a Multiply with Reverse would cause the loop length to be cut where 
the Reverse was pressed( UnRounded Multiply) so I could play a short phrase 
over a loop, and then have it Reversed and Repeated , with a small section 
of loop as backing. By using Nextloop to create the "Snipplet" it was 
possible to leave the original loop intact and return to it.

In Loop4 the Multiply function was improved so that alternate endings would 
still give a RoundMultiply, and Reverse Snipplets required a second press 
of Reverse to make them happen
(not so easy to get good timing on what is anyway a difficult technique to 
pull off)

Against his better judgement, I eventually persuaded Matthias to put 
"Reverse Snipplets" into Loop4.
"The Hidden UnroundedMultiply Reverse Function" (in the manual) was the result.
As far as I know, only Andre LaFosse ever found the function.

   "Snipplets" is a word in a language called Switznglish, the meaning is 
self evident.

andybutler





   

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Hmmm....
I couldn't find "The Hidden UnroundedMultiplyReverse Function" in the EDP
manual:
http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf

but in the LoopIVGuide:
http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/LoopIVGuide.pdf

The paragraph reads:
The Hidden UnroundedMultiplyReverse Function
In LoopIII the limitation with Multiply cross functions that forced us to do
them Unrounded resulted in one function
that some users liked. If Mutliply was going and overdubs were being made
over the top, ending with a single button
press of Reverse immediately changed the length of the loop to that point
and instantly put the resulting
UnroundedMultiply into reverse. This was an interesting use, but after we
made the improvements that allowed us to do
Multiply cross functions Rounded it was only possible by doing two button
presses. (With two button presses, you do it
like this: end Multiply with Reverse, then press Record during the Rounding
period to set the new loop length and
immediately have it in reverse.)
So for the user who lost this favorite function, we found a way to give it
back to him. It is a little bit obscure in
operation, so bear with us. Set MoreLoops to some number greater than 1. Set
SwitchQuantize on to Confirm. (any
quantizing value works, but it is easiest with Confirm.) Record your basic
loop in Loop 1. Press NextLoop. You will
go into the "Confirming" state, where it waits for another function press
before it goes into the next loop. Press
Multiply down and hold it down. This will immediately put you into the next
loop, copying the audio from the first
loop. Overdub as much as you want over multiples of your first loop. When
you are ready, release Multiply. The loop
in Loop 2 will immediately stop copying, reset the loop length to that
point, and go into Reverse! So there is the old
UnroundedMultiplyReverse function, now properly called
NextUnroundedSUSMultiplyReverse.
When InsertMode is equal to SUS, this function is disabled in favor of the
usual UnroundedMultiply SUS function.

So after all, it's worth reading the LoopIV guide alongside the EDP manual.
I always thought the LoopIV guide was fully integrated into the most recent
EDP manual...

Bernhard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: Freitag, 25. Marz 2005 11:23
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Mobius Beta 7 Available
>
>
> At 20:31 23/03/05, you wrote:
> >>Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an
> enthusiastic user. I
> >>will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010
> and an ASIO
> >>capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program.
>
> hi Tony,
> Quite right, and luckily he saw anyway.
>
> The EDP has a lot of features designed to allow the manipulation of loops
> well beyond the the "loop/overdub/feedback" norm.
> Mobius incorporates some of those, particularly the more commonly used
> ones, it also has new features not found in the EDP. I don't see it as
> having stuff missing, rather that it's a different beast altogether which
> incorporates a lot of EDP ideas.
>
> I'm partly responsible for some of the EDP Interface Modes, so probably I
> overestimate their importance ( there's plenty of stuff in there no-one
> exploited yet).
>
> hi Jeff
> Your take on Loop Windowing sounds very promising.
>
>
> "Reverse Snipplets" was an effect that was easy in loop3.
> Ending a Multiply with Reverse would cause the loop length to be
> cut where
> the Reverse was pressed( UnRounded Multiply) so I could play a
> short phrase
> over a loop, and then have it Reversed and Repeated , with a
> small section
> of loop as backing. By using Nextloop to create the "Snipplet" it was
> possible to leave the original loop intact and return to it.
>
> In Loop4 the Multiply function was improved so that alternate
> endings would
> still give a RoundMultiply, and Reverse Snipplets required a second press
> of Reverse to make them happen
> (not so easy to get good timing on what is anyway a difficult
> technique to
> pull off)
>
> Against his better judgement, I eventually persuaded Matthias to put
> "Reverse Snipplets" into Loop4.
> "The Hidden UnroundedMultiply Reverse Function" (in the manual)
> was the result.
> As far as I know, only Andre LaFosse ever found the function.
>
>    "Snipplets" is a word in a language called Switznglish, the meaning is
> self evident.
>
> andybutler
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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hey and his using a boomerang!

http://www.adrianbelew.net/images/StudioBelew12-28-04.jpg
i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they
really didnt take off although the look really
cool...with time i would also opt for this option
after hauling a refigerator of efxs and breaking
valuable gear!
jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator?
Luis





--- Ronan Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com> wrote:
> Adrian is amazing and also one of the nicest guys
> you will ever meet in  
> the music business. Its great that he can play
> really crazy avant garde  
> stuff like King Crimson or Zappa and then play
> beautiful understated  
> acoustic work like his playing on Tori Amos' strange
> little girls and  
> be so great at both.
> 
> Ronan Chris Murphy
> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King
> Crimson, Chucho Valdes,  
> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the
> world teaching the  
> art and craft of recording )
> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise
> duo since Sonny &  
> Cher)
> On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Fabio Anile wrote:
> 
> > I know this isn't a looping topic,
> >  but  I'd like to share with you the pleasure that
> give me the latest  
> > album of Adrian Belew.
> > It's very difficoult a categorization, SIDE
> ONE pass trough rock, pop,  
> > alternative, and some other genres, confirming
> the talent of Andrian  
> > in composition, in playing, and in discovering new
> sounds and rythmic  
> > architettures.
> > Sometimes, I've heard some loops  and reverse
> effect (...as usual).
> > Even if I am a keyboardist i was always attracted
> by the guitarists: i  
> > like King Crimson and Robert Fripp (....I like
> Paco de Lucia and  
> > egberto Gismonti too...)..., but Adrian Belew is
> pure "genius".
> > Someone have hear Side one ?
> > Greetings
> > Fabio
> >  
> >  
> >
>
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?
> 
> > tag=quickurl
> > http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo
>   

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Good morning, Mister Weasel (if that IS your real
name),

You could always unsub from your primary address and
resub under an account used only for the list (like a
free Yahoo/Hotmail/etc. account) which also tends to
keep the spam out of your primary mailbox.

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> Is there a way to read the messages on the internet
> without receiving the
> emails from the list, and be able to reply to
> messages at the same time?
> If so, that would be great as there are quite a lot
> of messages to come in
> daily and it slows down my email server. If this is
> possible, how can I
> desactivate the receipt from emails?
> If this is not possible, can you please unsuscribe
> me from the list then
> (and I'll browse through the monthly digests on the
> net)
> Loop on
> Mr Weasel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Montgomery
> [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net] 
> Sent: jeudi 24 mars 2005 23:45
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> 
> I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King
> Crimson mailing list a
> few years ago.  In the late 90's, there were a few
> posters who began a
> heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion.
>  After awhile, Adrian
> replied with the following "diatribe":
> 
> http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html
> 
> Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of
> Light' and of course
> 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading
> too much elephant talk,
> chit-chat.  Art imitates life again :-)
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 


		
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Adding to the list of favorite Belew albums/tracks, I
want to mention 'The Man In The Moon' about the death
of Belew's father. I remember being really into Lone
Rhino and TBK when they first came out, and then
several years later after my own father died, I
reconnected with that track. It's a testament to
Belew's versatility that such diverse tracks as 'The
Man In The Moon' and 'The Momur' can go on the same
album and not sound incongruous.

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I was particularly fond of stutter mode myself found it very useful.
Right now getting scripting seems to have become a higher priority and some
alternate endings aren't working exactly like an EDP.
Why not signup and nudge Jeff on some of these feature or better yet push
the envelope a little that seems to be something you manage to do pretty
well Andy :) It could only serve to make Mobius better yet

-----Original Message-----
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At 20:31 23/03/05, you wrote:

I'm partly responsible for some of the EDP Interface Modes, so probably I
overestimate their importance ( there's plenty of stuff in there no-one
exploited yet).

hi Jeff
Your take on Loop Windowing sounds very promising.


"Reverse Snipplets" was an effect that was easy in loop3.
Ending a Multiply with Reverse would cause the loop length to be cut where
the Reverse was pressed( UnRounded Multiply) so I could play a short phrase
over a loop, and then have it Reversed and Repeated , with a small section
of loop as backing. By using Nextloop to create the "Snipplet" it was
possible to leave the original loop intact and return to it.

In Loop4 the Multiply function was improved so that alternate endings would
still give a RoundMultiply, and Reverse Snipplets required a second press of
Reverse to make them happen (not so easy to get good timing on what is
anyway a difficult technique to pull off)

Against his better judgement, I eventually persuaded Matthias to put
"Reverse Snipplets" into Loop4.
"The Hidden UnroundedMultiply Reverse Function" (in the manual) was the
result.
As far as I know, only Andre LaFosse ever found the function.

   "Snipplets" is a word in a language called Switznglish, the meaning is
self evident.

andybutler





   


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Bernhard Wagner wrote:
> Multiply cross functions Rounded it was only possible by doing two button
> presses. (With two button presses, you do it
> like this: end Multiply with Reverse, then press Record during the Rounding
> period to set the new loop length and
> immediately have it in reverse.)

Interesting.  In Mobius you can accomplish this using a script:

   !name UnroundedMultiplyReverse
   Jump NotInMultiply mode != multiply
   Record
   Reverse
   Label NotInMultiply
   end

Among other things, scripts give you the ability to execute a sequence
of functions at exactly the same time, something that would be
very difficult dancing on a footswitch.  The Jump statement prevents
this from doing anything if you press it accidentally and aren't
in multiply mode.  The tradeoff of course is that you have to reserve
a switch to call the script, whereas with the EDP's multi-step process
you can accomplish it using existing switches.

Jeff

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Sounds like a winner, but the link offers no price. How much is all this goodness gonna cost?
~Tim

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>Aha!
>Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange
>one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it
>from Dunlop.

Right...here's the product I was referring to:

http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164

I think it's probably the best product on the market currently.

Jeff


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I find it interesting that the EDP creators on this list are silent 
regarding these software emulations/extrapolations of LoopIV...

Is Kim conferring with his lawyer?  Or are he and Matthias hard at work 
drawing up schematics for the Echoplex Pro Plus Magnum 5000XL with 5.1 
surround, coding LoopV in assembly, and laughing at all of you trying to 
adjust your ASIO buffer settings to get lower latency...

-J

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I have no latency problems haven't needed to adjust latency since day one of
the original installation you just need a decent card not one you buy off
the Comp USA shelf.
 

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I find it interesting that the EDP creators on this list are silent
regarding these software emulations/extrapolations of LoopIV...

Is Kim conferring with his lawyer?  Or are he and Matthias hard at work
drawing up schematics for the Echoplex Pro Plus Magnum 5000XL with 5.1
surround, coding LoopV in assembly, and laughing at all of you trying to
adjust your ASIO buffer settings to get lower latency...

-J


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Here's something that would make it more useful (unless  it's already there and I missed it): some mega-juice 9v outlets for power-hog rack units like the Vortex.
~Tim

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The previous Aspen Juicebox on the Tonepilkot site has been discontinued for
quite some time.
A new production run with several updates are ready to start. Check this
thead for some
more info at the Gearpage forum.

"5 Isolated outputs (4 DC and 1 AC):
2 x 9vdc @ 500ma each with 4 standard tip neg jacks
(the first jack on each of the 9vdc ISO's have a VBat circuit)
1 x adjustable from 4.5 - 21vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks
1 x adjustable from 7.5 - 24vdc @ 250ma with 2 tip neg jacks
1 x 12VAC @ 1.5A (Line 6 POD XT, H&K, Digitech, etc.....)
We retained the 120vac / 3 prong aux jack on the back as well
The two built in VBat circuits and all DIP switches for setting voltages are
on the front panel!

The enclosure is all sheet metal (designed by me) and is rugged as
heck....much sturdier than our old enclosure.

OK - Pricing will be between $239 - $249 with your choice of 10 molded power
cables (one right angle to one straight.)"
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=21e069a8dec377851d2d186d875230d5&threadid=72257&highlight=juicebox
-------------------------------------------------------
A couple of other power supplies;

Italien Masotti PW-4
PS! Will custom make according to spesific needs.

"PW4 is the solution to ground loops problems in complex pedalboards and it
is developed in cooperation with professional guitar players. Each channel
is filtered and stabilized separately and there is a total isolation between
the outputs.
Since current capability of the channel is redundant (consumption of an
analog effect like TS9 is a few mA, while a digital pedal is about 50-60mA),
PW4 is useful also for more than four effects. Of course you loose total
absence of loops but, in most cases the four isolated outputs allow to avoid
hum and noise presence in the signal. Due to large current room, each
channel has two connectors to power directly eight effects with standard
cables. Isolation between channels allows to have a 18V out with a special
cable delivered upo request. Furthermore, we can ship PW4 with any standard
voltage (5,9,12,15 or 18V) in one channel free of charge. For special needs
we can modify a channel with a continuous voltage regulation."
http://www.masottiamp.it/std-pw4.html

Cioks
Cioks Double Jack
Power adapter for pedals 5x9V and 2x12V outputs (230V only) more ğ
Price: 99.41 EUR

Cioks Big John
Power adapter for pedals 7x9V outputs (230V only) more ğ
Price: 89.00 EUR

Cioks Booster Flex 9-18V
Flex cable with built-in 9 to 18V step-up voltage converter. A simple way of
using a 9V output for powering an 18V pedal.
Price: 40.00 EUR .

Plus cusatom poer cables, split cables etc.
http://www.custom-sounds.com/epages/customsounds.storefront/42438ee902890d8a2741d94dcd01067c/Catalog/1022
http://www.cioks.com/

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> >Aha!
> >Here's the source of the confusion... mine is a Dunlop, the bright orange
> >one. Dunlop stole the name "Juice Box" from DOD, and Aspect then stole it
> >from Dunlop.
>
> Right...here's the product I was referring to:
>
> http://www.tonepilot.com/product.asp?ProductID=164
>
> I think it's probably the best product on the market currently.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>



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Alan Kroeger wrote:
> I have no latency problems haven't needed to adjust latency since day one of
> the original installation you just need a decent card not one you buy off
> the Comp USA shelf.

If you've never touched it, then you should definitely check it out.  It 
could probably be lowered.

Latency is a perceptual problem.  If you can't perceive it, then it's 
not a problem.  It bothers some people though.

What is CompUSA?  Do they sell MOTU 828s?

-J

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I'm just waiting to get my Behringer MIDI controller (finally got one on
eBay!) so I can try the damn thing out!  :)

There is another program that "emulates" some EDP functionality too, but
for Linux and MAC only:

1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop
recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for
multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your
computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired
by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  Not VST, but a
stand-alone program.  Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any
other platforms that support JACK.  Not supported on XP, but is supposed
to be in the future. .  http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 

Supposedly, they are working on an XP version....interesting. 

Kris


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I find it interesting that the EDP creators on this list are silent 
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Is Kim conferring with his lawyer?  Or are he and Matthias hard at work 
drawing up schematics for the Echoplex Pro Plus Magnum 5000XL with 5.1 
surround, coding LoopV in assembly, and laughing at all of you trying to

adjust your ASIO buffer settings to get lower latency...

-J


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I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin MIDI
pickup for guitar, and have found several links to
older models, but I can't find anything that is
currently being produced.  

I found several that just kind of mount on under your
strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that
Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  =)

Know of anything?


		
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I did adjust it on day one there is only so, much you can adjust on any card
that exists.
The intended usage effects how latency will impact you I haven't had any
issue but, I could very well have just gotten used to compensating. It can't
be too much compensating otherwise I might have been bothereed by it. Motu
828 I know little of I went PCI to obtain as little latency as I could
manage I haven't got that much faith in any external devices. 
 

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Alan Kroeger wrote:
> I have no latency problems haven't needed to adjust latency since day 
> one of the original installation you just need a decent card not one 
> you buy off the Comp USA shelf.

If you've never touched it, then you should definitely check it out.  It
could probably be lowered.

Latency is a perceptual problem.  If you can't perceive it, then it's not a
problem.  It bothers some people though.

What is CompUSA?  Do they sell MOTU 828s?

-J


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Alan Kroeger wrote:
> I did adjust it on day one there is only so, much you can adjust on any card
> that exists.
> The intended usage effects how latency will impact you I haven't had any
> issue but, I could very well have just gotten used to compensating. It can't
> be too much compensating otherwise I might have been bothereed by it. Motu
> 828 I know little of I went PCI to obtain as little latency as I could
> manage I haven't got that much faith in any external devices. 

2.5ms here via Firewire PCMCIA card on a 2.4GHz P4 laptop.

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I already know mine is 5ms and it isn't bothering me much 2.0 Ghz Optiplex
with a 1 GB memory so, where are you having problems with the MIDI? or is it
a delay in the audio?
I tell you what Jeffs program is pretty well optimized I get the distinct
sense that he spent a portion of his programming life doing some Assembler
by the looks of the Scripting language.

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Alan Kroeger wrote:
> I did adjust it on day one there is only so, much you can adjust on 
> any card that exists.
> The intended usage effects how latency will impact you I haven't had 
> any issue but, I could very well have just gotten used to 
> compensating. It can't be too much compensating otherwise I might have 
> been bothereed by it. Motu
> 828 I know little of I went PCI to obtain as little latency as I could 
> manage I haven't got that much faith in any external devices.

2.5ms here via Firewire PCMCIA card on a 2.4GHz P4 laptop.


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Alan Kroeger wrote:
> I already know mine is 5ms and it isn't bothering me much 2.0 Ghz Optiplex
> with a 1 GB memory so, where are you having problems with the MIDI? or is it
> a delay in the audio?

I'm not having problems.  The original post was *funny*.


> I tell you what Jeffs program is pretty well optimized I get the distinct
> sense that he spent a portion of his programming life doing some Assembler
> by the looks of the Scripting language.

I look forward to trying it.

-J

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Great at the very least I am sure you will get a kick out of it even if it
don't/won't suit you :)

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I look forward to trying it.

-J


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Jesse Lucas wrote:
 > 2.5ms here via Firewire PCMCIA card on a 2.4GHz P4 laptop.

I found it surprising at first that latency didn't bother me at all
during most looping provided that I was monitoring the input signal in
analog rather than letting it pass through the PC.  Since looping is
usually delayed playback of a signal, you can quite often compensate
for latency and won't hear it.  This is true at least for the basic
record/overdub/rounded multiply style of looping, or when you are
quantizing functions.  I did the majority of my testing using
extremely high latency (200ms) just to ensure that compensation was
being performed correctly.

Where latency becomes more of an issue is in "glitch" looping where
you make a lot of abrupt playback changes, like retriggering,
unrounded multiply/insert, or unquantized replace/reverse/loop switch.
I personally find this very difficult to hear at ASIO latency, but as
you say, it's personal thing.

Jeff

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That would be what I have found and as I continue to practice I am managing
that one pretty well without any great amount of concentration. You can
become immune to the latency if you conciously decide to live with it and
learn where it occurs and make your results more predictable by practicing
with it. I like the features that are forthcoming well enough to live with
the small amount of latency that I have learned/learning to compensate for.

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Where latency becomes more of an issue is in "glitch" looping where you make
a lot of abrupt playback changes, like retriggering, unrounded
multiply/insert, or unquantized replace/reverse/loop switch.
I personally find this very difficult to hear at ASIO latency, but as you
say, it's personal thing.

Jeff


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A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup (GR-20?). It was 
about $650 and comes with the pickup and electronics. Everything you 
need to get going right out of the box. It set up very easily on his 
strat with no drilling.
I would imagine, though, that you might want to get some different 
modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.

He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always hooks us up!


HTH
Edwin



At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
>I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin MIDI
>pickup for guitar, and have found several links to
>older models, but I can't find anything that is
>currently being produced. 
>
>I found several that just kind of mount on under your
>strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
>little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that
>Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  =)
>
>Know of anything?
>
>
>
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> i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they
> really didnt take off although the look really
> cool...

I am not a big fan of them, but I am feel the same way about all the 
line 6 stuff as well. They just do not really work well on records in 
my experience.

> jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator?

I helped out for a few years when i was doing a bunch of records with 
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is John Sinks who is responsible for much of the design, maintenance 
and coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator.

Ronan Chris Murphy
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<excerpt>i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they

really didnt take off although the look really

cool...

</excerpt>

I am not a big fan of them, but I am feel the same way about all the
line 6 stuff as well. They just do not really work well on records in
my experience.


<excerpt>jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator?

</excerpt>

I helped out for a few years when i was doing a bunch of records with
Fripp and King Crimson, but the real hero/mastermind behind Fripp's
rig is John Sinks who is responsible for much of the design,
maintenance and coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator.


<x-tad-smaller>Ronan Chris Murphy

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Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )

www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)</x-tad-smaller>


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What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin
midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use
the software synths I have on there.  The Roland stuff
uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... 

Thanks for the help!
Mike


--- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup
> (GR-20?). It was 
> about $650 and comes with the pickup and
> electronics. Everything you 
> need to get going right out of the box. It set up
> very easily on his 
> strat with no drilling.
> I would imagine, though, that you might want to get
> some different 
> modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.
> 
> He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always
> hooks us up!
> 
> 
> HTH
> Edwin
> 
> 
> 
> At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
> >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin
> MIDI
> >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to
> >older models, but I can't find anything that is
> >currently being produced. 
> >
> >I found several that just kind of mount on under
> your
> >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
> >little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that
> >Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  =)
> >
> >Know of anything?
> >
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
> >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Edwin Hurwitz
> Boulder CO
> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
> Services
> 
> 


		
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 "A little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that
Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  =) "

I always thought they looked like Borg prostheses, myself ;-)
~Tim



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I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin MIDI
pickup for guitar, and have found several links to
older models, but I can't find anything that is
currently being produced.  

I found several that just kind of mount on under your
strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that
Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  =)

Know of anything?


		
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There was a company called MidiAxe doing this about 5 years ago, but they
went out of business. If you are lucky you can find an older Parker MidiFly
or Brian Moore 5pin, although it is the MidiAxe company that provided them
with the software. I doubt there would be support if you needed it. Brian
Moore currently has a USB equipped guitar, but it provides audio only I
believe.

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com

 
> 
> What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin midi out 
> so that i can just run it into my Mac and use the software 
> synths I have on there.  The Roland stuff uses a 13-pin 
> thing, I believe... 
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> Mike
> 
>  

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Hey Fellow Loopers ,
  Tomorrow in Berkeley at NEXUS Gallery , ( 2701 8th St.)
I'll be playing my first long looping performance since the birth on my 
son Jaya ,(2 years)
A departure from my y24k( DL-4 and a volume pedal) performance, I'll be 
looping on an Eclipse,DL-4, a pair of Echoplexxei, and I will be 
playing my 12 string fretless bass..
I'll be supporting a very nice visual artist Lynn Orlando . So, It 
probably won't be the time for me to get that  $50 from Kimm for 
outrageous stagemanship .
Please stop by and say hello for any part of the evening.
PEACE
Scott Kungha Drengsen

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I haven't got a clue as to what you actually have there but, pickups don't
put out MIDI notes they need a convertor between them and the MIDI sound
module. Does this pickup have an audio to MIDI note converter with it? 
I might suggest you visit this particular Yahoo group
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ maybe someone there knows
more about this unit you have. The fellow that moderates that group has a
useful website too http://www.midiguitar.net


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:50 PM
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What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin midi out so that i can
just run it into my Mac and use the software synths I have on there.  The
Roland stuff uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... 

Thanks for the help!
Mike


--- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup (GR-20?). It was 
> about $650 and comes with the pickup and electronics. Everything you 
> need to get going right out of the box. It set up very easily on his 
> strat with no drilling.
> I would imagine, though, that you might want to get some different 
> modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.
> 
> He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always hooks us up!
> 
> 
> HTH
> Edwin
> 
> 
> 
> At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
> >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin
> MIDI
> >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to older models, but 
> >I can't find anything that is currently being produced.
> >
> >I found several that just kind of mount on under
> your
> >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A little clunky 
> >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  
> >=)
> >
> >Know of anything?
> >
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
> >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Edwin Hurwitz
> Boulder CO
> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services
> 
> 


		
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http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/050324.html

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each 
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on
Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet.

                    Show #418                    March 24, 2005

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American Ambient 
master Steve
Roach.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Mantram" by Steve Roach, Byron
Metcalf, and Mark Seelig on the Projekt label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Romance 76" by Peter Baumann on 
Virgin Records
released in 1976.

Steve Roach - 
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2005/focus05.html#mar


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== 
================================
11:00 pm
Peter Baumann           Bicentennial Present     Romance 76 (Virgin)
Palancar                Visible Only In Shadows  Broadcasts (Blue Water)
Footfall                Viola Nebulae            Empyrean (Blue Water)
Amongst Myselves        Encounter at the Bay     Still Life (RMC)
Ian Boaddy and          Scorpio                  Moire (DiN)
  Bernhard Wosteinrich
VA [Jaia]               Alone                    Fahrenheit Project part 
five
                                                   (Ultimae)
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part one                 Mantram (Projekt)

12:00 am
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part two                 Mantram (Projekt)
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part three               Mantram (Projekt)
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part four                Mantram (Projekt)
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part five                Mantram (Projekt)
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part six                 Mantram (Projekt)
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part seven               Mantram (Projekt)
Roach/Metcalf/Seelig    part eight               Mantram (Projekt)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Steve Roach.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Holding the Space: Fever Dreams II" by 
Steve
Roach on the Timeroom Editions label.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mutation 24" by Claude Perraudin 
on RCA
Records from 1977.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at
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Sevice Electric Cable.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and 
click on
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EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
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I'd strongly recommend a gmail account and a filter for looper's
delight (I can send you an invitation if you like).  Not only will it
put the email into a little label on the left of the screen, it
consolidates messages and their replies into a single thread that
makes LD SO much easier to handle.

I get huge volumes of email... 20,000 pieces since June (not counting
Spam)... and this is all that works for me.

Disclaimer:  I am an engineer working for Google but I'm speaking for
myself here and not for the company.


On Mar 25, 2005 8:48 AM, Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good morning, Mister Weasel (if that IS your real
> name),
> 
> You could always unsub from your primary address and
> resub under an account used only for the list (like a
> free Yahoo/Hotmail/etc. account) which also tends to
> keep the spam out of your primary mailbox.
> 
> -t-
> 
> --- mrweasel <mrweasel@eircom.net> wrote:
> > Hi
> > Is there a way to read the messages on the internet
> > without receiving the
> > emails from the list, and be able to reply to
> > messages at the same time?
> > If so, that would be great as there are quite a lot
> > of messages to come in
> > daily and it slows down my email server. If this is
> > possible, how can I
> > desactivate the receipt from emails?
> > If this is not possible, can you please unsuscribe
> > me from the list then
> > (and I'll browse through the monthly digests on the
> > net)
> > Loop on
> > Mr Weasel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dennis Montgomery
> > [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net]
> > Sent: jeudi 24 mars 2005 23:45
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: Adrian Belew - EP & unfinished songs
> >
> > I was an active member of 'Elephant Talk' the King
> > Crimson mailing list a
> > few years ago.  In the late 90's, there were a few
> > posters who began a
> > heated 'Adrian doesnt belong in Crimson' discussion.
> >  After awhile, Adrian
> > replied with the following "diatribe":
> >
> > http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/320-2.html
> >
> > Shortly after, Crimson released 'The Construction of
> > Light' and of course
> > 'Prozac Blues' with the great line, "been reading
> > too much elephant talk,
> > chit-chat.  Art imitates life again :-)
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at
the moment.

On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with
5-pin midi out jacks right on the guitar that (I
believe) have the converter right on board.  So, I
assumed one could buy a complete pickup/converter that
just installed on the guitar itself.  The search goes
on... 

Thanks for the help.
Mike


--- Alan Kroeger <nospam@akroeger.com> wrote:
> I haven't got a clue as to what you actually have
> there but, pickups don't
> put out MIDI notes they need a convertor between
> them and the MIDI sound
> module. Does this pickup have an audio to MIDI note
> converter with it? 
> I might suggest you visit this particular Yahoo
> group
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/
> maybe someone there knows
> more about this unit you have. The fellow that
> moderates that group has a
> useful website too http://www.midiguitar.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:50 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups
> 
> 
> What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin
> midi out so that i can
> just run it into my Mac and use the software synths
> I have on there.  The
> Roland stuff uses a 13-pin thing, I believe... 
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> Mike
> 
> 
> --- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup
> (GR-20?). It was 
> > about $650 and comes with the pickup and
> electronics. Everything you 
> > need to get going right out of the box. It set up
> very easily on his 
> > strat with no drilling.
> > I would imagine, though, that you might want to
> get some different 
> > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.
> > 
> > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP
> always hooks us up!
> > 
> > 
> > HTH
> > Edwin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
> > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin
> > MIDI
> > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links
> to older models, but 
> > >I can't find anything that is currently being
> produced.
> > >
> > >I found several that just kind of mount on under
> > your
> > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
> little clunky 
> > >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's
> guitar kind of way.  
> > >=)
> > >
> > >Know of anything?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >__________________________________
> > >Do you Yahoo!?
> > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources
> site!
> > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Edwin Hurwitz
> > Boulder CO
> > http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
> Services
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 		
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> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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> 
> 
> 

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Any recomendations on synth Modules that will work
with a GK-2?the stock roland sounds do get old!
thanx
Luis



--- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup
> (GR-20?). It was 
> about $650 and comes with the pickup and
> electronics. Everything you 
> need to get going right out of the box. It set up
> very easily on his 
> strat with no drilling.
> I would imagine, though, that you might want to get
> some different 
> modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.
> 
> He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always
> hooks us up!
> 
> 
> HTH
> Edwin
> 
> 
> 
> At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
> >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin
> MIDI
> >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to
> >older models, but I can't find anything that is
> >currently being produced. 
> >
> >I found several that just kind of mount on under
> your
> >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
> >little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that
> >Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  =)
> >
> >Know of anything?
> >
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
> >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Edwin Hurwitz
> Boulder CO
> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
> Services
> 
> 

www.luis-angulo.com


	
		
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I have a little 60 watt Johnson.  It doesn't do all
the fancy stuff the the models that Adrainn uses, but
I spent a few hours with it once, comparing it to an
all tube Ampeg Reverbrocket (great amp, btw) and the
Reverbrocket lost.  However, when you take the direct
out of the Johnson to a mixer, you don't get as good a
result as you do with it's own cab.  One cool thing is
it has a stereo effects loop.

Mark

--- Ronan Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com> wrote:
> > i am quite curious about the johnson amps...they
> > really didnt take off although the look really
> > cool...
> 
> I am not a big fan of them, but I am feel the same
> way about all the 
> line 6 stuff as well. They just do not really work
> well on records in 
> my experience.
> 
> > jesus,i wonder who carries Fripps refigerator?
> 
> I helped out for a few years when i was doing a
> bunch of records with 
> Fripp and King Crimson, but the real hero/mastermind
> behind Fripp's rig 
> is John Sinks who is responsible for much of the
> design, maintenance 
> and coordination of the Fripp Refrigerator.
> 
> Ronan Chris Murphy
> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King
> Crimson, Chucho Valdes, 
> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the
> world teaching the 
> art and craft of recording )
> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise
> duo since Sonny & 
> Cher)
> 

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No problem there Mike those sites helped me a bunch when I still had some
MIDI Guitar equiptment. I think there weren't many systems out there with an
onboard converter module so, finding one used might prove difficult. I took
a look at one of the casios I found on ebay looks like the electronics took
up a lot of space in the instrument and might be quite a bit of work retro
fitting to another instrument (not impossible) It might be better to just
buy and use a Casio which is fairly dated technology. I had a Roland GI-20
for a while and it set me back a few dollars but, with that system I could
choose any sound module I wanted. I got tired of MIDI guitar and decided to
just go with DSP processors instead.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:44 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at the moment.

On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with 5-pin midi out jacks
right on the guitar that (I
believe) have the converter right on board.  So, I assumed one could buy a
complete pickup/converter that just installed on the guitar itself.  The
search goes on... 

Thanks for the help.
Mike


--- Alan Kroeger <nospam@akroeger.com> wrote:
> I haven't got a clue as to what you actually have there but, pickups 
> don't put out MIDI notes they need a convertor between them and the 
> MIDI sound module. Does this pickup have an audio to MIDI note 
> converter with it?
> I might suggest you visit this particular Yahoo group 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/
> maybe someone there knows
> more about this unit you have. The fellow that moderates that group 
> has a useful website too http://www.midiguitar.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:50 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Guitar MIDI pickups
> 
> 
> What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin midi out so that 
> i can just run it into my Mac and use the software synths I have on 
> there.  The Roland stuff uses a 13-pin thing, I believe...
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> Mike
> 
> 
> --- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> > A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup
> (GR-20?). It was
> > about $650 and comes with the pickup and
> electronics. Everything you
> > need to get going right out of the box. It set up
> very easily on his
> > strat with no drilling.
> > I would imagine, though, that you might want to
> get some different
> > modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.
> > 
> > He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP
> always hooks us up!
> > 
> > 
> > HTH
> > Edwin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
> > >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin
> > MIDI
> > >pickup for guitar, and have found several links
> to older models, but
> > >I can't find anything that is currently being
> produced.
> > >
> > >I found several that just kind of mount on under
> > your
> > >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
> little clunky
> > >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's
> guitar kind of way.  
> > >=)
> > >
> > >Know of anything?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >__________________________________
> > >Do you Yahoo!?
> > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources
> site!
> > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Edwin Hurwitz
> > Boulder CO
> > http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
> Services
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Roland GI-20 is the Converter only then you can plug into any Software Synth
or Hardware Synth that you choose? 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:55 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Any recomendations on synth Modules that will work with a GK-2?the stock
roland sounds do get old!
thanx
Luis



--- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup (GR-20?). It was 
> about $650 and comes with the pickup and electronics. Everything you 
> need to get going right out of the box. It set up very easily on his 
> strat with no drilling.
> I would imagine, though, that you might want to get some different 
> modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.
> 
> He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always hooks us up!
> 
> 
> HTH
> Edwin
> 
> 
> 
> At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
> >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin
> MIDI
> >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to older models, but 
> >I can't find anything that is currently being produced.
> >
> >I found several that just kind of mount on under
> your
> >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A little clunky 
> >looking, but kind of cool in that Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  
> >=)
> >
> >Know of anything?
> >
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
> >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Edwin Hurwitz
> Boulder CO
> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services
> 
> 

www.luis-angulo.com


	
		
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Is there a problem with using the MIDI out on the Roland floor unit? 
Or, you could do what Bob Weir did: get a Casio body and put a 
Modulus Graphite neck on it! He had a bunch of these in the 90s. He 
even had a way to do it all wireless.


Edwin





At 2:03 PM -0500 3/25/05, Alan Kroeger wrote:
>No problem there Mike those sites helped me a bunch when I still had some
>MIDI Guitar equiptment. I think there weren't many systems out there with an
>onboard converter module so, finding one used might prove difficult. I took
>a look at one of the casios I found on ebay looks like the electronics took
>up a lot of space in the instrument and might be quite a bit of work retro
>fitting to another instrument (not impossible) It might be better to just
>buy and use a Casio which is fairly dated technology. I had a Roland GI-20
>for a while and it set me back a few dollars but, with that system I could
>choose any sound module I wanted. I got tired of MIDI guitar and decided to
>just go with DSP processors instead.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:44 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups
>
>
>Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at the moment.
>
>On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with 5-pin midi out jacks
>right on the guitar that (I
>believe) have the converter right on board.  So, I assumed one could buy a
>complete pickup/converter that just installed on the guitar itself.  The
>search goes on...
>
>Thanks for the help.
>Mike

-- 

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Boulder CO
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At 10:55 AM -0800 3/25/05, L. Angulo wrote:
>Any recomendations on synth Modules that will work
>with a GK-2?the stock roland sounds do get old!

Yamha modeling synths, such as the VL7-m.
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No problem using the MIDI out from say a GR I did it with a GR09 but, I had
to change one setting that filtered down some of the expression and velocity
messages sent from the GR module. I can't recall what the setting was called
but, it appeared in the manual somewhere.
 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Is there a problem with using the MIDI out on the Roland floor unit? 
Or, you could do what Bob Weir did: get a Casio body and put a Modulus
Graphite neck on it! He had a bunch of these in the 90s. He even had a way
to do it all wireless.


Edwin





At 2:03 PM -0500 3/25/05, Alan Kroeger wrote:
>No problem there Mike those sites helped me a bunch when I still had 
>some MIDI Guitar equiptment. I think there weren't many systems out 
>there with an onboard converter module so, finding one used might prove 
>difficult. I took a look at one of the casios I found on ebay looks 
>like the electronics took up a lot of space in the instrument and might 
>be quite a bit of work retro fitting to another instrument (not 
>impossible) It might be better to just buy and use a Casio which is 
>fairly dated technology. I had a Roland GI-20 for a while and it set me 
>back a few dollars but, with that system I could choose any sound 
>module I wanted. I got tired of MIDI guitar and decided to just go with DSP
processors instead.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mike feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:44 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: RE: Guitar MIDI pickups
>
>
>Well, I don't have anything yet - I'm just looking at the moment.
>
>On eBay, there are a couple of Casio midi guitars with 5-pin midi out 
>jacks right on the guitar that (I
>believe) have the converter right on board.  So, I assumed one could 
>buy a complete pickup/converter that just installed on the guitar 
>itself.  The search goes on...
>
>Thanks for the help.
>Mike

-- 

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>I helped out for a few years when i was doing a bunch of records with =
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>hero/mastermind behind Fripp's rig is John Sinks who is responsible for =
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Doesn't he refer to it as the "Lunar Module" ?? :)

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Hi Mike,

You want a standard MIDI out, right?

Casio made a guitar that had that.  You can find them used.  I've seen them 
at the Guitar shows.  $500-600 from what I remember.

http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/casmgtr.htm

I don't know of any pickup units that will do that.  What you can do is get 
a GK2A pickup and a GI20 MIDI/USB interface.  You're looking at about $550 
for the set.  I played with a Brian Moore iGuitar into a GI20 into a MAC 
running Finale and it tracked really well.  Nice setup.  I wound up getting 
a Brian Moore and I'm saving my pennies for the GI20.  Much nicer than the 
GR50 I have now.

Tony

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike feeney" <feeneymike@yahoo.com>
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> What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin
> midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use
> the software synths I have on there.  The Roland stuff
> uses a 13-pin thing, I believe...
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Mike
>
>
> --- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
>> A friend of mine just got the latest Roland setup
>> (GR-20?). It was
>> about $650 and comes with the pickup and
>> electronics. Everything you
>> need to get going right out of the box. It set up
>> very easily on his
>> strat with no drilling.
>> I would imagine, though, that you might want to get
>> some different
>> modules as the stock sounds are, well, stock.
>>
>> He got his at Guitar Center in Arvada CO. JP always
>> hooks us up!
>>
>>
>> HTH
>> Edwin
>>
>>
>>
>> At 8:02 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
>> >I was just doing some casual browsing for a 5-pin
>> MIDI
>> >pickup for guitar, and have found several links to
>> >older models, but I can't find anything that is
>> >currently being produced.
>> >
>> >I found several that just kind of mount on under
>> your
>> >strap peg, not requiring drilling or anything.  A
>> >little clunky looking, but kind of cool in that
>> >Frankenstein's guitar kind of way.  =)
>> >
>> >Know of anything?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >__________________________________
>> >Do you Yahoo!?
>> >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
>> >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Edwin Hurwitz
>> Boulder CO
>> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
>> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
>> Services
>>
>>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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Last time I looked at his setup at Largo he had a Repeater.

I've been going to see him for 6 or 7 years, so he must have used 
something else before the Repeater existed.

-henry

Kim Flint wrote:

> At 05:49 PM 3/24/2005, PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> what does he use for loopage? inquiring loopy minds want to know! =-) PJ
> 
> 
> Jon Brion uses EDP's. In fact, I think he is the record holder for most 
> EDP's owned by one person.
> 
> I'd love to see him play live also, hopefully I can make it to LA for 
> that some day.
> 
> But short of that, you can hear his work in a number of really great 
> movie soundtracks he composed. For example, I Heart Huckabees, Magnolia 
> (with Aimee Mann), Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Punch Drunk Love.
> 
> http://idiot-dog.com/music/brion.jon/indexi.html
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> kim
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> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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At 9:50 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:
>What I'm hoping to find is one with a standard 5-pin
>midi out so that i can just run it into my Mac and use
>the software synths I have on there.  The Roland stuff
>uses a 13-pin thing, I believe...

My impression is that the Roland 13-pin system has become the de 
facto standard for guitar MIDI and Vguitar systems. This means that 
any current pickup systems such as the Roland GK and the RMC units 
will be compatible with whatever "brain" you are using to encode the 
pickup signals as MIDI. Consider that the Casio 15-pin system has 
been out of production for several years and therefore represents an 
earlier state of development in guitar pitch tracking. The positive 
reviews of current-generation Roland and the Axon systems suggest 
that you'll get better results from one of those, fed by a 13-pin 
source.

Of course, your budget may govern your choices to a great extent. If 
you want the convenience of direct connection from guitar to MIDI 
tone module, if your budget is limited, and if you aren't overly 
concerned about tracking accuracy, your best be may be to scour eBay 
and other sources for a Casio MIDI guitar. Otherwise, just buy a 
Roland system or a GK pickup and the convertor of your choice.

I have a Roland-ready Stratocaster and a Yamaha G50 Guitar MIDI 
Convertor (Axon tracking technology from Blue Chip). It works great!
-- 

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<div>At 9:50 AM -0800 3/25/05, mike feeney wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>What I'm hoping to find is one with a
standard 5-pin<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>uses a 13-pin thing, I
believe...</blockquote>
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<div>My impression is that the Roland 13-pin system has become the<i>
de facto</i> standard for guitar MIDI and Vguitar systems. This means
that any current pickup systems such as the Roland GK and the RMC
units will be compatible with whatever &quot;brain&quot; you are using
to encode the pickup signals as MIDI. Consider that the Casio 15-pin
system has been out of production for several years and therefore
represents an earlier state of development in guitar pitch tracking.
The positive reviews of current-generation Roland and the Axon systems
suggest that you'll get better results from one of those, fed by a
13-pin source.</div>
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<div>Of course, your budget may govern your choices to a great extent.
If you want the convenience of direct connection from guitar to MIDI
tone module, if your budget is limited, and if you aren't overly
concerned about tracking accuracy, your best be may be to scour eBay
and other sources for a Casio MIDI guitar. Otherwise, just buy a
Roland system or a GK pickup and the convertor of your choice.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I have a Roland-ready Stratocaster and a Yamaha G50 Guitar MIDI
Convertor (Axon tracking technology from Blue Chip). It works
great!</div>
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After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and do
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setting that will get rid of this.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

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-----Original Message-----
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After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and do
a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file always
gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended at
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exact file I have edited.  I looked under "preferences" but I cant find any
setting that will get rid of this.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

--->I just tried it this way--highlight a portion of the .wav, then drag to
a blank spot to copy that portion.  No gaps--and great zero crossing!
Gary


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Is it possible there's some "snap to grid" function at work here?


| After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and
do
| a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file
always
| gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended
at
| the end.  I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have the
| exact file I have edited.  I looked under "preferences" but I cant find
any
| setting that will get rid of this.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
|
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I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then hear
that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking about cassette 4 track
recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops.

What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice
tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that.  Thanks!

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Scholtz
>
> After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and 
> do
> a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file 
> always
> gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended 
> at
> the end.  I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have the
> exact file I have edited.  I looked under "preferences" but I cant find 
> any
> setting that will get rid of this.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>
> --->I just tried it this way--highlight a portion of the .wav, then drag 
> to
> a blank spot to copy that portion.  No gaps--and great zero crossing!
> Gary
>
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I tried what was recommended but it didn't work for me.  I edited the MP3 
file with a perfect zero-crossing, cropped it, and just tried saving my 
edited loop with Cool Edit Pro instead and the same phenomenon happens.  I 
zoomed out and measured it with the cursor and approximately 0.200 of 
silence is inserted at the beginning and 0.133 of silence is appended to the 
end of the waveform.  Someone please help me figure this out.  Now I am 
really stumped. 

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----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0 (and Cool Edit)


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Lehmann" <hqr@cox.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Looping problem with Sound Forge 7.0
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck Scholtz
>>
>> After I highlight a portion of a .WAV (or MP3) file in SoundForge 7.0 and 
>> do
>> a "Trim/Crop" to get the loop just the way I like it, the saved file 
>> always
>> gets a bit of silence inserted at the begining and a slight fade appended 
>> at
>> the end.  I dont want this, and I am trying to get rid of it so I have 
>> the
>> exact file I have edited.  I looked under "preferences" but I cant find 
>> any
>> setting that will get rid of this.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> --->I just tried it this way--highlight a portion of the .wav, then drag 
>> to
>> a blank spot to copy that portion.  No gaps--and great zero crossing!
>> Gary
>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I tried what was recommended but it didn't work for me.  I edited the MP3 
> file with a perfect zero-crossing, cropped it, and just tried saving my 
> edited loop with Cool Edit Pro instead and the same phenomenon happens.  I 
> zoomed out and measured it with the cursor and approximately 0.200 of 
> silence is inserted at the beginning and 0.133 of silence is appended to 
> the end of the waveform.  Someone please help me figure this out.  Now I 
> am really stumped.
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I made a discovery.  The problem I have described only occurs when editing 
and looping MP3 files. The WAV files I edit are saved exactly as I edit 
them.  I sometimes prefer to use MP3 files due to better file compression. 
So can someone figure out why this is happening only to my MP3 edits? 

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That silence in the ends of mp3 files is common. I guess it's built into 
the mp3 format. I've cursed my mp3-player a bunch of times because it 
won't play the transitions between tracks properly, most likely due to 
this very issue. And don't get me started on loop libraries in 
mp3-format, yikes! Up until now I've used a batch editor to remove the 
silence from mp3s when converting them to .wavs.

-btw, which program do you use to loop your mp3s?  Traktor?

Best,
Andreas


OpBeachGuy wrote:--------------------------------

> I made a discovery.  The problem I have described only occurs when 
> editing and looping MP3 files. The WAV files I edit are saved exactly 
> as I edit them.  I sometimes prefer to use MP3 files due to better 
> file compression. So can someone figure out why this is happening only 
> to my MP3 edits?


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Hi Stephanie,

For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be
quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level
looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but
what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price
range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a
I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that
you could then solo over until the cows came home.

There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is
the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and
more features, but the original RC-20 still has five
full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely
be picked up very reasonably used.

Also available for the purposes you've described are
the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine
Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly
find that they don't sound very good and aren't as
usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're
cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a
lot sooner.

Another option that you probably already own would be
to use your computer's audio recording capability to
record backing parts which you could then edit to loop
nicely while you play over it.

Good luck!

-t-

--- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
wrote:
> I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar
> blues and then hear
> that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking
> about cassette 4 track
> recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect
> pedals with loops.
> 
> What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just
> want a practice
> tool---not a mega-recording station or something
> like that.  Thanks!
> 
> 


		
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thanks so much! I've never used these forum boards before and it's a nice
way to get information, for sure. I found info on Fostex MR-8 and something
called a Boomerang--but prices are a consideration and don't want a whole
lot of features for an old bat that's just trying to fulfill a lifelong
dream to learn to play!

> From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:46:39 -0800 (PST)
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> 
> Hi Stephanie,
> 
> For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be
> quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level
> looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but
> what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price
> range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a
> I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that
> you could then solo over until the cows came home.
> 
> There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is
> the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and
> more features, but the original RC-20 still has five
> full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely
> be picked up very reasonably used.
> 
> Also available for the purposes you've described are
> the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine
> Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly
> find that they don't sound very good and aren't as
> usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're
> cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a
> lot sooner.
> 
> Another option that you probably already own would be
> to use your computer's audio recording capability to
> record backing parts which you could then edit to loop
> nicely while you play over it.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> -t-
> 
> --- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
> wrote:
>> I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar
>> blues and then hear
>> that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking
>> about cassette 4 track
>> recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect
>> pedals with loops.
>> 
>> What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just
>> want a practice
>> tool---not a mega-recording station or something
>> like that.  Thanks!
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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one other quick question, Tim. My son found something called a Tascam MF-PO1
digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom digital recorder. Are these
types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. While I know you get what
you pay for, if this is for practising for my son and me, would one of these
suffice?  I saw reviews that say cassettes should go by the wayside in favor
of digital---but for practice (and not live performing) are they okay?

> From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com>
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> Hi Stephanie,
> 
> For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be
> quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level
> looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but
> what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price
> range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a
> I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that
> you could then solo over until the cows came home.
> 
> There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is
> the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and
> more features, but the original RC-20 still has five
> full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely
> be picked up very reasonably used.
> 
> Also available for the purposes you've described are
> the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine
> Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly
> find that they don't sound very good and aren't as
> usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're
> cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a
> lot sooner.
> 
> Another option that you probably already own would be
> to use your computer's audio recording capability to
> record backing parts which you could then edit to loop
> nicely while you play over it.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> -t-
> 
> --- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
> wrote:
>> I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar
>> blues and then hear
>> that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking
>> about cassette 4 track
>> recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect
>> pedals with loops.
>> 
>> What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just
>> want a practice
>> tool---not a mega-recording station or something
>> like that.  Thanks!
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi

I think a basic 4 track recorder like a Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve your 
needs better than a looper.  If all you are interested in at the moment is 
practice dont worry about analogue (cassette) vrs digital argument, it 
dosen't matter.  Buy something you know you can understand and work, 
prefrebly cheap, and get playing, isnt that the whole purpose? Or maybe you 
play solos while you son plays 12 bar and then change round.

Happy playing!

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I just read a bit about a new product by M-Audio
called the Black Box, which has amp simulators (so you
can choose from a variety of sounds without spending
thousands on amps and effects boxes), a simple drum
machine with a bunch of built-in loops, and also a
basic looping function.  Looked pretty interesting for
an all-in-one kind of solution.  I think it's around
$350.

Mike


--- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
wrote:
> thanks so much! I've never used these forum boards
> before and it's a nice
> way to get information, for sure. I found info on
> Fostex MR-8 and something
> called a Boomerang--but prices are a consideration
> and don't want a whole
> lot of features for an old bat that's just trying to
> fulfill a lifelong
> dream to learn to play!
> 
> > From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:46:39 -0800 (PST)
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: basic loop equipment
> > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:46:44 -0500
> > 
> > Hi Stephanie,
> > 
> > For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd
> be
> > quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an
> entry-level
> > looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles,
> but
> > what sets it apart from the other loopers in its
> price
> > range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a
> > I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song
> that
> > you could then solo over until the cows came home.
> > 
> > There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest
> one is
> > the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory
> and
> > more features, but the original RC-20 still has
> five
> > full minutes of recording capacity and can most
> likely
> > be picked up very reasonably used.
> > 
> > Also available for the purposes you've described
> are
> > the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine
> > Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly
> > find that they don't sound very good and aren't as
> > usefull overall as something like the RC-20.
> They're
> > cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to
> upgrade a
> > lot sooner.
> > 
> > Another option that you probably already own would
> be
> > to use your computer's audio recording capability
> to
> > record backing parts which you could then edit to
> loop
> > nicely while you play over it.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > -t-
> > 
> > --- Stephanie Stemmler
> <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
> > wrote:
> >> I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12
> bar
> >> blues and then hear
> >> that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking
> >> about cassette 4 track
> >> recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect
> >> pedals with loops.
> >> 
> >> What's the best way to do what I want to do? I
> just
> >> want a practice
> >> tool---not a mega-recording station or something
> >> like that.  Thanks!
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!? 
> > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources
> site!
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> > 
> 
> 


		
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>I just want a practice
>tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that. 
>
The great thing about looping vs. other recording is the instant ability 
to lay some backing down, and...zoom! you are playing melodies over the 
top.  Like any tool, the quicker you can use it, the more likely you are 
to ...use it!  It becomes rather transparent.  Looping has done more for 
my practicing/playing than about anything I've ever used. 

So, if there's any choice between looper and recorder, I'd go with a 
looper. 

Another easy, basic looper is the Line6 DL4, but it only has 14 seconds 
(28 @ 1/2 speed).

David

Stephanie Stemmler wrote:

>one other quick question, Tim. My son found something called a Tascam MF-PO1
>digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom digital recorder. Are these
>types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99. While I know you get what
>you pay for, if this is for practising for my son and me, would one of these
>suffice?  I saw reviews that say cassettes should go by the wayside in favor
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In a message dated 3/26/05 12:57:03 PM, contact@danmayfield.com writes:


> I think a basic 4 track recorder like a Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve 
> your
> needs better than a looper.
> 

i disagree.....this is based on my understanding of "cassette" 4 trac, i 
don't know about a digi.....if you mess up on a tape you must rewind and erase and 
re-record, with even a basic looper you are a button push away from startng 
over, much simpler and faster imho.....and i know for myself an "old bat" also, 
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--- Dan Mayfield <contact@danmayfield.com> wrote: 
> I think a basic 4 track recorder like a
> Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve your 
> needs better than a looper.

How so? The original post was a request for more
information about pedal-based loopers for practicing
lead lines over a repeating 12 bar pattern. She said
nothing about wanting to overdub multiple tracks or
keep a finished recording, and I would imagine she'd
prefer to get the background pattern happening by
playing it once without having to remove her fingers
from the strings rather than filling the tape with 45
minutes of I-IV-V or rewinding at the end of every
twelve bars.

> Or maybe you 
> play solos while you son plays 12 bar and then
> change round.

There's a lot to be said in favor of THAT too! :)

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Well, we're sort of comparing apples and oranges here.
ANY of them could be used as a practice tool. To
simply play back a track along with which you can play
lead lines, you don't even need a four track; ANY sort
of recording device (mono, stereo, cassette, digital,
whatever) will work. But the reason I suggested the
RC-20 is that it's extremely convenient to be able to
do it all with your feet, and the time capacity is
greater than other looping devices in its price range.

-t-

ps: the Tascam MF-P01 is not digital; it's a very
basic analog 4-track. It'd work just fine, except
you'd have to be hitting that rewind button an awful
lot to use it to practice over. I'd think of it more
as a songwriter's tool: it'd be a great, low-cost way
to play the chords of a song, then overdub a vocal, a
bass line, etc. until you've filled up your four
passes. But for practicing over a repeating pattern
(such as a 12-bar blues), I stand by my original
advice.


--- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
wrote:
> one other quick question, Tim. My son found
> something called a Tascam MF-PO1
> digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom
> digital recorder. Are these
> types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99.
> While I know you get what
> you pay for, if this is for practising for my son
> and me, would one of these
> suffice?  I saw reviews that say cassettes should go
> by the wayside in favor
> of digital---but for practice (and not live
> performing) are they okay?


		
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All this information is great! I asked about the pedal-loopers because I saw
one in action for about $400--it was being demonstrated so the store was
pushing to sell. ...but that's just over the top for me but it intrigued me
because of what it did.

So here's the full rundown of why I'm looking for something. My guitar
teacher said both my son and I would be more comfortable playing improv over
simple chord tracks if we did it at home...so we started practising with a
regular tape recorder.  Yes, we do play together every once in awhile--but
he's into different music :)

SO--Then I went to a nearby Guitar Center and they showed me the 4-track
digital recorder by Tascam. Interesting and easy to work-but as i saw all
the reviews that you couldn't really hear the first track recording when
trying to play over it (You had to record mega loud)--my teacher said to
look at digital recorders, loopers and phrase samplers in the lower end
price range--Ah--I'm getting at least the lingo.

Here's what we (I) want it for. We want to lay down a track (or two) --for
example with Blues:  I want to record a running length of 12-bar blues and
then loop that so I can attempt to practice some fingering over that--I want
the looping capability so I don't have to stop and rewind a tape (which is
what we do right now). I don't want to record for 45 minutes on a regular
tape--which is why I want some sort of repeater/loop.

Not looking for tons of effects---maybe my son at a later date (but then I'd
buy something better....but for now, it's just an opportunity for us to each
practice/jam by ourselves and have some fun thinking we sound decent!

For current equipment, we have a Fender electric and an Ovation
acoustic/electric ---both at this time using the same large amp meant for
acoustic guitars.

Does this help clarify?  I don't object to paying more---I just don't think
I need a recording studio or want to spend a whole lot of money for
something I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's
something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to
operate-that's what I'm looking for.
So far-saw reviews for Tascam, Zoom, Boss, Bommerrang, some Axe pedal
thing--but it's all greek to me.  I don't really live near a great music
store so this would be something I'd have to buy untested, unless the
consensus is for that Guitar Center Tascam cassette recorder.

So---any and all advice welcomed--I appreciate it all!




> From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:32:20 -0800 (PST)
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> 
> --- Dan Mayfield <contact@danmayfield.com> wrote:
>> I think a basic 4 track recorder like a
>> Tascam/Fostex etc.. would serve your
>> needs better than a looper.
> 
> How so? The original post was a request for more
> information about pedal-based loopers for practicing
> lead lines over a repeating 12 bar pattern. She said
> nothing about wanting to overdub multiple tracks or
> keep a finished recording, and I would imagine she'd
> prefer to get the background pattern happening by
> playing it once without having to remove her fingers
> from the strings rather than filling the tape with 45
> minutes of I-IV-V or rewinding at the end of every
> twelve bars.
> 
>> Or maybe you 
>> play solos while you son plays 12 bar and then
>> change round.
> 
> There's a lot to be said in favor of THAT too! :)
> 
> -t-
> 
> 
> 
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Well, I finally tamed my USB interface problems somewhat. I upgraded to 512 megs of ram, installed the "ASIO4all" driver, and turned the latency setting all the way up on the ASIO4all control panel, and am now getting almost no dropouts/glitches in the audio stream. 
Still getting occasional glitching, maybe once every 3-4 minutes. I've tried monitoring my data usage using Task Manager, but it doesn't seem that the glitches coincide with any spikes in memory usage. Upgrading the driver seemed to help the most, thanks to the person who posted about it. I've read and implemented most of the stuff I've found about optimizing XP for audio, and my computer is booting and running much faster, but I still can't seem to get rid of the last bit of dropout. Any thoughts where it might be coming from if not the memory getting overloaded? 
Once I get it to actually play a wav file smoothly, maybe I can actually start using it with some bonafide music software. I'd really like to setup a software sampler that is triggered by midi keyboard, and perhaps some software sequencing of my Alesis Micron as well. 
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<DIV>Well, I finally tamed my USB interface problems somewhat. I upgraded to 512 megs of ram, installed the "ASIO4all" driver, and turned the latency setting all the way up on the ASIO4all control panel, and am now getting almost no dropouts/glitches in the audio stream. </DIV>
<DIV>Still getting occasional glitching, maybe once every 3-4 minutes. I've tried monitoring my data usage using Task Manager, but it doesn't seem that the glitches coincide with any spikes in memory usage. Upgrading the driver seemed to help the most, thanks to the person who posted about it. I've read and implemented most of the stuff I've found about optimizing XP for audio, and my computer is booting and running much faster, but I still can't seem to get rid of the last bit of dropout. Any thoughts where it might be coming from if not the memory getting overloaded? </DIV>
<DIV>Once I get it to actually play a wav file smoothly, maybe I can actually start using it with some bonafide music software. I'd really like to setup a software sampler that is triggered by midi keyboard, and perhaps some software sequencing of my Alesis Micron as well. </DIV>
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In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com writes:

<< I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's
something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to
operate-that's what I'm looking for. >>

Hi

I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal.

Simple, easy, and rugged.
Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing loop. 
If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again,  if you do like you 
can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an 
existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words, fun!

Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried within 
utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access.

I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in my 
area for $200-$250.


BobC


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I just started trying to loop MP3's. Either way I always use either Cool 
Edit Pro or Sound Forge.

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> That silence in the ends of mp3 files is common. I guess it's built into 
> the mp3 format. I've cursed my mp3-player a bunch of times because it 
> won't play the transitions between tracks properly, most likely due to 
> this very issue. And don't get me started on loop libraries in mp3-format, 
> yikes! Up until now I've used a batch editor to remove the silence from 
> mp3s when converting them to .wavs.
>
> -btw, which program do you use to loop your mp3s?  Traktor?
>
> Best,
> Andreas
>
>
> OpBeachGuy wrote:--------------------------------
>
>> I made a discovery.  The problem I have described only occurs when 
>> editing and looping MP3 files. The WAV files I edit are saved exactly as 
>> I edit them.  I sometimes prefer to use MP3 files due to better file 
>> compression. So can someone figure out why this is happening only to my 
>> MP3 edits?
>
>

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In a message dated 3/26/05 3:30:42 PM, dvidedevo@yahoo.com writes:

<< Still getting occasional glitching, maybe once every 3-4 minutes. >>


And all you are doing is playing a .wav file?
No other processes going on? 
Then you shouldn't need anymore RAM I would think.

Sorry I don't know Windows, but for the Mac equivalent I would make sure 
Virtual Memory (a memory saver) is turned off, and turn off any unnecessary 
program such as internet connection/mail/browsers, sleep settings and energy savers, 
network devices such as printers etc. 

Check your audio preferences and increase buffer size.

What cycles at 3-4 minutes? Refrigerators? Anyway, external sources of 
interference are worth considering.

I don't remember what your host program is but it is sometimes worth trying 
different programs and rule out software issues.


BobC


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http://www.zonemobius.com/ with ** Redo ** function, very cool...

Direct link: http://www.zonemobius.com/mobius-beta9.exe

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/

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I finally made my decision and sold my RC-20 and went with the boomerang.
For simplicity it's much easier than the RC-20 and also it's tons better
live.

~peace~

Michael



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>
>
> In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM,
> sstemmler@above-the-fold.com writes:
>
> << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's
> something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to
> operate-that's what I'm looking for. >>
>
> Hi
>
> I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal.
>
> Simple, easy, and rugged.
> Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts
> playing loop.
> If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again,  if you
> do like you
> can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an
> existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in
> other words, fun!
>
> Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is
> buried within
> utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access.
>
> I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music
> stores in my
> area for $200-$250.
>
>
> BobC
>
>
> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
> http://trundlebox.iuma.com
> http://tinyurl.com/yuru7
>
>
>
>

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My vote goes for the RC too--
You can save your loops if you like them--up to ten phrases. 
And, after you save them, you can speed them up--so as you improve, you can
make yourself try harder!
Gary

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In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com writes:

<< I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's something
out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to operate-that's what
I'm looking for. >>

Hi

I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal.

Simple, easy, and rugged.
Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing loop.

If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again,  if you do like you
can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an
existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words,
fun!

Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried
within utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access.

I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in my
area for $200-$250.


BobC


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In a message dated 3/26/05 6:03:44 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:

<< I finally made my decision and sold my RC-20 and went with the boomerang.
For simplicity it's much easier than the RC-20 and also it's tons better
live. >>


I would agree that the 'rang is a better performance tool.

I think the RC-20 is a better practice and composition tool.

imho

BobC


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Would you consider the looping equipment everyone has been talking about
including the Sabine Backtrack to be "seamless" loopers?  I assume the RC-20
and Boomarang are.

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> Hi Stephanie,
>
> For what you're doing, I'd be willing to bet you'd be
> quite happy with the Boss RC-20. It's an entry-level
> looper without a whole lot of bells and whistles, but
> what sets it apart from the other loopers in its price
> range is its long sampling time, plenty to loop a
> I-IV-V backing part or a verse/chorus/bridge song that
> you could then solo over until the cows came home.
>
> There are two versions of the RC-20; the newest one is
> the RC-20XL that has a greater amount of memory and
> more features, but the original RC-20 still has five
> full minutes of recording capacity and can most likely
> be picked up very reasonably used.
>
> Also available for the purposes you've described are
> the little "phrase samplers" like the Sabine
> Backtrack, but I think you'd probably very quickly
> find that they don't sound very good and aren't as
> usefull overall as something like the RC-20. They're
> cheaper, but you'd definitely be wanting to upgrade a
> lot sooner.
>
> Another option that you probably already own would be
> to use your computer's audio recording capability to
> record backing parts which you could then edit to loop
> nicely while you play over it.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -t-
>
> --- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
> wrote:
> > I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar
> > blues and then hear
> > that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking
> > about cassette 4 track
> > recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect
> > pedals with loops.
> >
> > What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just
> > want a practice
> > tool---not a mega-recording station or something
> > like that.  Thanks!
> >
> >
>
>
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Hello and welcome!

I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy to
use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control.

Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available.

Click here for more:  http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/

Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, too. Now
I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming...

Ed in NJ

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I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then hear
that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking about cassette 4 track
recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops.

What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice
tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that.  Thanks!


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hi Alan,

>I was particularly fond of stutter mode myself found it very useful.
>Right now getting scripting seems to have become a higher priority and some
>alternate endings aren't working exactly like an EDP.

Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius 
Stutters?

>Why not signup and nudge Jeff on some of these feature or better yet push
>the envelope a little that seems to be something you manage to do pretty
>well Andy :) It could only serve to make Mobius better yet

Well, I don't have the right hardware to run Mobius.
I ended up not doing a lot of music-looping while I was involved with the 
Loop4 Beta testing,
now I'd rather play.

I'm sure Jeff & Co. are getting along just fine.

andy



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Probably when all issue around scripts are sorted out right now Jeff is
working on keeping the script language highly optimized (got to do
everything to prevent latency being increased) I found one script wouldn't
work right as the function I called wasn't synchronous but, this too will be
resolved. Well I can't blame you about not wanting to get involved in
testing but, I am having a blast as we just got the Redo function in Beta 9.
Perhaps in the future you become enticed into involvement. 

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hi Alan,

>I was particularly fond of stutter mode myself found it very useful.
>Right now getting scripting seems to have become a higher priority and 
>some alternate endings aren't working exactly like an EDP.

Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius
Stutters?

>Why not signup and nudge Jeff on some of these feature or better yet 
>push the envelope a little that seems to be something you manage to do 
>pretty well Andy :) It could only serve to make Mobius better yet

Well, I don't have the right hardware to run Mobius.
I ended up not doing a lot of music-looping while I was involved with the
Loop4 Beta testing,
now I'd rather play.

I'm sure Jeff & Co. are getting along just fine.

andy




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 > Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius
 > Stutters?

If we're talking about Loop/Delay=Stu, I don't think it is possible
to do this exactly using scripts.  You can chop out a cycle to stutter
with:

   Wait cycle
   Multiply
   Wait cycle
   Record

then Undo back to the original loop.  But there isn't a way to permanently
insert the stuttered cycles into the original loop.  An interesting feature.

Jeff

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An intersting script idea to try out I will try it out later on and let you
know how it goes Jeff 

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 > Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius  >
Stutters?

If we're talking about Loop/Delay=Stu, I don't think it is possible to do
this exactly using scripts.  You can chop out a cycle to stutter
with:

   Wait cycle
   Multiply
   Wait cycle
   Record

then Undo back to the original loop.  But there isn't a way to permanently
insert the stuttered cycles into the original loop.  An interesting feature.

Jeff


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Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic
instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a
computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using
footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there
in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find
anything concrete. I've made some software looping effects before, but I'd
like something really plush. It seems delay effects are just about the
only thing that can work well as live effects on a computer because of
latency. If I can't find anything that really fits the bill, I will
likely go ahead and design something.

Thanks,

Dylan


(ps we are playing at the empty bottle in chicago next month- squirm)

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Speaking of Tascam, does anyone have hands-on experience with their other
lines of guitar trainers?  I think like this one best (see link) because it
offers bass-boost capability.  There are four models in all but the features
seem to be quite close.  The one that removes vocals is priced at $99, and
the other three are all listed at $149 USD.

Can someone tell me if their statement about "seamless looping" really means
just that because the effect I want is as if I am looping them with my PC
software Sound Forge.  I have recorded a few loops and saved them as .WAV
files and carefully edited them so there are perfect zero-crossings, and
then converted them to a .CDA file extension with Windows Media Player so I
could use them with my CD player (or the Tascam) if it will actually loop
like my software does?  Does it do this through memory buffering or how?

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/prodoptions.php?id=10587


----- Original Message -----
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> Well, we're sort of comparing apples and oranges here.
> ANY of them could be used as a practice tool. To
> simply play back a track along with which you can play
> lead lines, you don't even need a four track; ANY sort
> of recording device (mono, stereo, cassette, digital,
> whatever) will work. But the reason I suggested the
> RC-20 is that it's extremely convenient to be able to
> do it all with your feet, and the time capacity is
> greater than other looping devices in its price range.
>
> -t-
>
> ps: the Tascam MF-P01 is not digital; it's a very
> basic analog 4-track. It'd work just fine, except
> you'd have to be hitting that rewind button an awful
> lot to use it to practice over. I'd think of it more
> as a songwriter's tool: it'd be a great, low-cost way
> to play the chords of a song, then overdub a vocal, a
> bass line, etc. until you've filled up your four
> passes. But for practicing over a repeating pattern
> (such as a 12-bar blues), I stand by my original
> advice.
>
>
> --- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
> wrote:
> > one other quick question, Tim. My son found
> > something called a Tascam MF-PO1
> > digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom
> > digital recorder. Are these
> > types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99.
> > While I know you get what
> > you pay for, if this is for practising for my son
> > and me, would one of these
> > suffice?  I saw reviews that say cassettes should go
> > by the wayside in favor
> > of digital---but for practice (and not live
> > performing) are they okay?
>
>
>
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Chuck Scholtz wrote:
> Speaking of Tascam, does anyone have hands-on experience with their other
> lines of guitar trainers?  I think like this one best (see link) because it
> offers bass-boost capability.  There are four models in all but the features
> seem to be quite close.  The one that removes vocals is priced at $99, and
> the other three are all listed at $149 USD.

I have the GT1 "guitar" trainer.  It's basically just a CD player with
an A-B loop option and pitch control.  Press the loop button when you want
to start the loop, press it again to end and start looping, press again to
resume normal playback.  I'm not sure how they do looping, but most do it just
by moving the laser, not with memory buffering.  I get a noticeable
click at the front of the loop so they're obviously not doing anything fancy
with zero-crossings or cross fades.  I've got 10 year old CD players that
do looping better.

The pitch shifting is pretty good to my ear, no weird artifacts, but it
only goes down.

Jeff

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Hi,

There was a list of plug-ins posted on the list recently.  Check
kvraudio.com for  angstrolooper, loopy lama, and elottronixXL, some
great free relatively straight-forward windows VST loopers.


On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:15:46 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time), Dylan
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> 
> 
> Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic
> instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a
> computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using
> footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there
> in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find
> anything concrete. I've made some software looping effects before, but I'd
> like something really plush. It seems delay effects are just about the
> only thing that can work well as live effects on a computer because of
> latency. If I can't find anything that really fits the bill, I will
> likely go ahead and design something.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dylan
> 
> (ps we are playing at the empty bottle in chicago next month- squirm)
> 
> 


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Dylan wrote:
> 
> Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic
> instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a
> computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using
> footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there
> in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find
> anything concrete.

Browse the March archives, this has been discussed a lot recently.
Here's a great summary of the available tools:

     http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html

And while you're there, don't miss the underwater latency thread.

Jeff

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My current rig consists of Ableton Live, Max/Msp or Logic routing to a pair
of echoplexes and back through a mobile I/O  or traveler, with occasionally
an extra channel 
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routing to and from an Eventide Orville for pitchshifting.   After using
both logic and live, I still return to live for incredible ease of use with
effects and soundclip playing.  I have never been able to really seamlessly
use augustus loop or live itself for looping, thus still my echoplex
dedication.  But I can say that live has become the standard for me both in
2 channel and surround, and I'm thrilled to pieces to have it.  Just
beginning to look at operator as a possibility as well.  If I could just
have one lesson with Per  on live, perhaps things would be just perfect...

todd



(although the eventide has always been the best sounding effects unit on the
market in my book, it's also proven to be the least stable and most
problematic piece in my rig, so I don't use it much anymore.  In fact it's
the only unit which has gone down three times in live performance for no
perceivable reason, rendering me completely useless.  Even after sending in
for service no problems have been found.  Frustrated?  Yes.)


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My current rig consists of Ableton Live, Max/Msp or Logic routing to a pair
of echoplexes and back through a mobile I/O  or traveler, with occasionally
an extra channel routing to and from an Eventide Orville for pitchshifting.
After using both logic and live, I still return to live for incredible ease
of use with effects and soundclip playing.  I have never been able to really
seamlessly use augustus loop or live itself for looping, thus still my
echoplex dedication.  But I can say that live has become the standard for me
both in 2 channel and surround, and I'm thrilled to pieces to have it.  Just
beginning to look at operator as a possibility as well.  If I could just
have one lesson with Per  on live, perhaps things would be just perfect...

todd



(although the eventide has always been the best sounding effects unit on the
market in my book, it's also proven to be the least stable and most
problematic piece in my rig, so I don't use it much anymore.  In fact it's
the only unit which has gone down three times in live performance for no
perceivable reason, rendering me completely useless.  Even after sending in
for service no problems have been found.  Frustrated?  Yes.)



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thank you to everyone who responded to my newbie question about looping.
Your willingness to assist with advice was wonderful! Based upon all
feedback, the overall consensus looked to be that the Boss RC-20 or 20XL is
what we need to take our practicing to the next level, so I'm starting the
search for that. Thanks again to all of you--happy playing!

> From: "Chuck Scholtz" <opbeachguy@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> 
> Speaking of Tascam, does anyone have hands-on experience with their other
> lines of guitar trainers?  I think like this one best (see link) because it
> offers bass-boost capability.  There are four models in all but the features
> seem to be quite close.  The one that removes vocals is priced at $99, and
> the other three are all listed at $149 USD.
> 
> Can someone tell me if their statement about "seamless looping" really means
> just that because the effect I want is as if I am looping them with my PC
> software Sound Forge.  I have recorded a few loops and saved them as .WAV
> files and carefully edited them so there are perfect zero-crossings, and
> then converted them to a .CDA file extension with Windows Media Player so I
> could use them with my CD player (or the Tascam) if it will actually loop
> like my software does?  Does it do this through memory buffering or how?
> 
> http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/prodoptions.php?id=10587
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: basic loop equipment
> 
> 
>> Well, we're sort of comparing apples and oranges here.
>> ANY of them could be used as a practice tool. To
>> simply play back a track along with which you can play
>> lead lines, you don't even need a four track; ANY sort
>> of recording device (mono, stereo, cassette, digital,
>> whatever) will work. But the reason I suggested the
>> RC-20 is that it's extremely convenient to be able to
>> do it all with your feet, and the time capacity is
>> greater than other looping devices in its price range.
>> 
>> -t-
>> 
>> ps: the Tascam MF-P01 is not digital; it's a very
>> basic analog 4-track. It'd work just fine, except
>> you'd have to be hitting that rewind button an awful
>> lot to use it to practice over. I'd think of it more
>> as a songwriter's tool: it'd be a great, low-cost way
>> to play the chords of a song, then overdub a vocal, a
>> bass line, etc. until you've filled up your four
>> passes. But for practicing over a repeating pattern
>> (such as a 12-bar blues), I stand by my original
>> advice.
>> 
>> 
>> --- Stephanie Stemmler <sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>
>> wrote:
>>> one other quick question, Tim. My son found
>>> something called a Tascam MF-PO1
>>> digital cassette recorder. There's also a Zoom
>>> digital recorder. Are these
>>> types of recorders okay? the cassette one is $99.
>>> While I know you get what
>>> you pay for, if this is for practising for my son
>>> and me, would one of these
>>> suffice?  I saw reviews that say cassettes should go
>>> by the wayside in favor
>>> of digital---but for practice (and not live
>>> performing) are they okay?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Thanks for the info, very helpful.

Dylan



On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Jeff Larson wrote:

> Dylan wrote:
> >
> > Hi, newbie question. I'm in a group where everyone plays acoustic
> > instruments and has some electronics- floor boxes, computers etc. I have a
> > computer and I would like to recreate performance looping on it, using
> > footswtiches/keyboard/midikeyboard. I'd like to find out whats out there
> > in terms of vst effects etc. I checked the archives but didn't find
> > anything concrete.
>
> Browse the March archives, this has been discussed a lot recently.
> Here's a great summary of the available tools:
>
>      http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00354.html
>
> And while you're there, don't miss the underwater latency thread.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio
system. I like the small size and the 24/96
capability. 

I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I
find it rising...and rising.
--New PDA $450-650
--PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only)
--PDA recording software $50 
--SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each
--Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my  
               case)
--add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo
mic....$150-?

.....Now you can see, this is about the price of other
choices....perhaps even a laptop?
Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I
could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment
books, etc).
I guess these are questions I need to decide for
myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz?
Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull
to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD
burner available? ....I'm so confused.

=RANDY=




--- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote:
> >I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
> >
> >The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
> >
> >There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
> >desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
> >SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
> >equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
> >outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea
> creature
> >under my desk.)
> 
> 
> Or you could try the PDAudio from
> http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't 
> seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's
> has been great.
> 
> 
> Edwin
> -- 
> 
> Edwin Hurwitz
> Boulder CO
> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
> Services
> 
> 


		
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On Wednesday, March 23, 2005, Worthy Records presented
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which followed a flight plan similar to the new CD from his
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"PASSAGE" by dreamSTATE

Fans of Toronto electronic artists dreamSTATE will no doubt
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Inspired by the poetry of Lynn Harrigan from her collection
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Meant to capture Aina's journey across the sea from Ireland
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forboding tones. When listening to this track one can't help
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darkness of unsurety as Aina faces a new land and a new life.

Track two, "Clearing", uses more easily defined melodies and
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as Aina and her family work to create a home for themselves
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point, giving frightful sound to her torment.

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light to Aina's plight. Inspired by the courtyard of the gaol in
which she finds herself, the track captures the freedom and
light that Aina's heart aspires to. Unfortunately this hope is
shortlived as it leads into "Gyre", a haunting piece where
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As brilliant as it is emotional, "Passage" is a beautiful work
by one of Toronto's premier electronic acts. Many lesser
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At 23:26 27/03/05, you wrote:
> > Can't you write a script using StartPoint and ReTrigger to give Mobius
> > Stutters?
>
>If we're talking about Loop/Delay=Stu, I don't think it is possible
>to do this exactly using scripts.  You can chop out a cycle to stutter
>with:
>
>   Wait cycle
>   Multiply
>   Wait cycle
>   Record
>
>then Undo back to the original loop.  But there isn't a way to permanently
>insert the stuttered cycles into the original loop.  An interesting feature.
>
>Jeff

The EDP Stutter probably isn't the best way to do a stutter.
It just happened that by messing with the Interface Mode tables we were 
able to get
that effect. So it was a "free" feature in terms of system resource and 
programming.

As far as I know, it's all the same code as for Insert, whether you 
"Insert" the new stutters into the loop or press Undo and go back to the 
loop( at the same time position in the loop as if you hadn't done the stutters)

I imagine there could be similar ways of getting free features out of the 
Mobius code.

andybutler


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    I'd vote for the RC-20 too. Simple, easy, rugged, and small - you can
probably fit it in your gig bag with a couple of cables. Plug your guitar
into the RC-20, plug the RC-20 into your amp. Then press one pedal with your
foot to record, press again to stop, and - if I remember correctly and if
I'm reading the various user comments correctly - it immediately begins to
play back. There will be a very small learning curve to do this much, which
will fulfill your needs for a looped accompaniment, and then you can get
into all the other cool things it does, bit by bit, day by day, week by
week.
    At my guitar instruction studio, one of my instructors uses the RC-20
between students, and he rapidly lays down chord progressions and
single-note lines for practice and study. When I walk past his room, it is a
stone gas to hear songs being born on the spot, and brilliant lead lines
played atop clever progressions.
    Be warned: you might have the uncomfortable realization that your sense
of rhythm is not yet adequate. If you speed up from the beginning of your
loop to the end, it will be obvious (and the built-in metronome will help
with that). And if you don't press the pedal at precisely the right point,
there will be a herky-jerky feel between repetitions (although the
"quantize" function will help with that). But this is part of the beauty of
using any looping or long delay device - they function wonderfully as
"instant feedback tools" that allow you to live with your actions - over and
over again! Instant karma indeed! Your dharma is to improve, and the quality
of your work will spread into all aspects of your playing.
    So I'd vote for the RC-20.
    Be sure to click on
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html to read Loopers
Delight reviews of the RC-20 and to link to other reviews as well.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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> In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com
writes:
>
> << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's
> something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to
> operate-that's what I'm looking for. >>
>
> Hi
>
> I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal.
>
> Simple, easy, and rugged.
> Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing
loop.
> If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again,  if you do like
you
> can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an
> existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words,
fun!
>
> Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried
within
> utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access.
>
> I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in
my
> area for $200-$250.
>
>
> BobC
>
>
> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
> http://trundlebox.iuma.com
> http://tinyurl.com/yuru7
>

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Just doing some light reading on the DL4.  Is the max
loop time 14 seconds?  Just making sure I read that
right.  Does one find that loop time to be somewhat
limiting?  I like that you can use delay and the
looper simultaneously.  Looks like it's a nice basic
looper, and also since I play in various bands that
won't use looping, I like all of the delay modes that
I COULD use in those situations.  

Always just wondering how I can squander - er, INVEST
- more money... ;)

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14 seconds in "full-speed" mode, 28 seconds in half-speed.  I do a ton
of looping with loops around 4/8/12 seconds, but if you're wanting to
put a whole verse or chorus structure into a loop that doesn't repeat
quickly, then yes, it's limiting.

In my opinion the biggest limitation is the fixed feedback level when
looping--everything is at 90% or so.


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:40:31 -0800 (PST), mike feeney
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> Just doing some light reading on the DL4.  Is the max
> loop time 14 seconds?  Just making sure I read that
> right.  Does one find that loop time to be somewhat
> limiting?

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Thanks! read all the reviews, which were very helpful.

> From: Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net>
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> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:25:05 -0500
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> 
> I'd vote for the RC-20 too. Simple, easy, rugged, and small - you can
> probably fit it in your gig bag with a couple of cables. Plug your guitar
> into the RC-20, plug the RC-20 into your amp. Then press one pedal with your
> foot to record, press again to stop, and - if I remember correctly and if
> I'm reading the various user comments correctly - it immediately begins to
> play back. There will be a very small learning curve to do this much, which
> will fulfill your needs for a looped accompaniment, and then you can get
> into all the other cool things it does, bit by bit, day by day, week by
> week.
> At my guitar instruction studio, one of my instructors uses the RC-20
> between students, and he rapidly lays down chord progressions and
> single-note lines for practice and study. When I walk past his room, it is a
> stone gas to hear songs being born on the spot, and brilliant lead lines
> played atop clever progressions.
> Be warned: you might have the uncomfortable realization that your sense
> of rhythm is not yet adequate. If you speed up from the beginning of your
> loop to the end, it will be obvious (and the built-in metronome will help
> with that). And if you don't press the pedal at precisely the right point,
> there will be a herky-jerky feel between repetitions (although the
> "quantize" function will help with that). But this is part of the beauty of
> using any looping or long delay device - they function wonderfully as
> "instant feedback tools" that allow you to live with your actions - over and
> over again! Instant karma indeed! Your dharma is to improve, and the quality
> of your work will spread into all aspects of your playing.
> So I'd vote for the RC-20.
> Be sure to click on
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html to read Loopers
> Delight reviews of the RC-20 and to link to other reviews as well.
> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
> coyotelk@optonline.net
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Aptrev@aol.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: basic loop equipment
> 
> 
>> In a message dated 3/26/05 1:03:58 PM, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com
> writes:
>> 
>> << I want to be able to just "record a bit" and play. If there's
>> something out there with a minimal of extras and -for me-easy to
>> operate-that's what I'm looking for. >>
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I second the recommendation for the Boss RC-20 pedal.
>> 
>> Simple, easy, and rugged.
>> Press the pedal and record, press again and immediately starts playing
> loop.
>> If you don't like - press pedal to cancel and try again,  if you do like
> you
>> can save it and transfer to tape or computer later. And you can add to an
>> existing loop to make it richer in complexity and texture, in other words,
> fun!
>> 
>> Some digital recorders don't even have a loop function or it is buried
> within
>> utility screen sub-menus so you have to stop everything to access.
>> 
>> I have occasionally seen the older version RC-20 in used music stores in
> my
>> area for $200-$250.
>> 
>> 
>> BobC
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
>> http://trundlebox.iuma.com
>> http://tinyurl.com/yuru7
>> 
> 

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I see, I didn't see that in the manual I downloaded. 
Maybe I missed it.  How long does it take the loop to
fade noticeably?  


--- Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> 14 seconds in "full-speed" mode, 28 seconds in
> half-speed.  I do a ton
> of looping with loops around 4/8/12 seconds, but if
> you're wanting to
> put a whole verse or chorus structure into a loop
> that doesn't repeat
> quickly, then yes, it's limiting.
> 
> In my opinion the biggest limitation is the fixed
> feedback level when
> looping--everything is at 90% or so.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:40:31 -0800 (PST), mike
> feeney
> <feeneymike@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Just doing some light reading on the DL4.  Is the
> max
> > loop time 14 seconds?  Just making sure I read
> that
> > right.  Does one find that loop time to be
> somewhat
> > limiting?
> 
> 


		
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Honestly on mine, I can leave it for an hour or more without fading (havent
tried more than that)...maybe some do and some don't?

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com 

 
> I see, I didn't see that in the manual I downloaded. 
> Maybe I missed it.  How long does it take the loop to fade 
> noticeably?  
> 
>  

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On Mar 28, 2005, at 1:07 PM, hazard factor wrote:

> Honestly on mine, I can leave it for an hour or more without fading 
> (havent
> tried more than that)...maybe some do and some don't?

this might be related to whether the dl4 is in overdub mode
or not. if it's in overdub i think there is degradation, otherwise
it plays like a loop.
bruce

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Right--that's what I meant.  But, the fixed and high feedback level in
overdub is a big limitation in my opinion.



> 
> this might be related to whether the dl4 is in overdub mode
> or not. if it's in overdub i think there is degradation, otherwise
> it plays like a loop.
> bruce
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Subject: FW: PSA announcement for Second Sundays Live Looping Series INAUGURAL EVENT  april 10th at the ATTIC
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    SUNDAY, APRIL 10th    ,will be the inaugural performance of  a monthly
concert called
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The kick off concert will feature guitarist extraordinaire,  ANDRE LaFOSSE
from Los Angeles, and Santa Cruz guitar wiz BILL WALKER, as well as special
guest Rick Walker who will act as MC.

Live looping is a music performance style that incorporates the use of
digital loop recorders, that allow  the performer the freedom to build
multiple layers of sound in real time without the need for pre-recorded
backing tracks.  A growing number of international musicians playing a wide
assortment of instruments, have embraced  this performance style, and
festivals  devoted to this practice have sprouted up all over the globe

Andre La fosse, a self-described “ turntablist  guitarist”, creates
complex, multi-layered  guitar improvisations that defy easy description..
Bill Walker creates ambient impressionistic   soundscapes ,  that he
describes as “music for imaginary movies”. Both of these accomplished
guitarists represent mastery of two poles of  the worlds' most sophisticated
live looping hardware

Joining these two extraordinary  guitarist  is Rick Walker.  Better  known
as a master drummer and percussionist, Rick will do a set of experimental
guitar improvisations, treating the instrument as a found sound object. .

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On Mar 27, 2005, at 21:59, todd reynolds wrote:

> 8< 8< 8< 8<  Ableton Live, 8< 8< 8< 8<

>  If I could just
> have one lesson with Per  on live, perhaps things would be just 
> perfect...
>
> todd

Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any 
specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we can 
have a discussion!

Greetings from Sweden

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Per Boysen wrote:
> Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any 
> specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we can 
> have a discussion!

This isn't really related to the original post, but since we're
talking about Live I have a question regarding "1st loop capability".

I know Live doesn't do 1st loop, but I'm trying to do something
similar with a looping plugin.  The plugin starts sending MIDI clocks
as soon as the loop length is set, Live is configured to receive
external sync, and I use a MIDI loopback device to pipe the MIDI
output from the plugin back into Live.  Except for a bug in the plugin
that causes the clock to drift after awhile, this seems to basically
work.

I remember reading on this list several months ago that there was a
fundamental problem with plugins being a sync master for Live, I think
it had something to do with Live's time stretch being controlled by
tempo.  I don't understand this.  Tempo-based time stretch
seems to be exactly what you want if you have audio backing tracks
you want to trigger.

Should this work or am I missing something?

Thanks,
Jeff

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Hi,

I=B4ve checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn=B4t find any =
clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did you do feedback =
control?

Ingo


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  Hello and welcome!

  I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), =
easy to
  use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control.

  Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available.

  Click here for more:  http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/

  Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, =
too. Now
  I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming...

  Ed in NJ

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  I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then =
hear
  that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking about cassette 4 =
track
  recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops.

  What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice
  tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that.  Thanks!

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In a message dated 3/28/05 12:44:02 PM, ito@itofarm.com writes:

<< checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn´t find any clue about 
adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! >>

Hi

That's cuz there is no feedback control, which is one of the weak points of 
its functionality.


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At 5:51 PM -0500 3/28/05, Aptrev@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 3/28/05 12:44:02 PM, ito@itofarm.com writes:
>
><< checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn´t find any clue about
>adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! >>
>
>Hi
>
>That's cuz there is no feedback control, which is one of the weak points of
>its functionality.
>
>BobC


I'm a Jamman guy, so I am curious about the 
terminology here. Are you concerned about 
feedback so that you can lower the feedback in 
order to get the loop to fade out at variable 
rates?


Edwin
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No, per.  No specific questions that you haven't already answered thoroughly
in your many posts here.  It has always been my experience that working
alongside or watching someone else very experienced opens up a wealth of
understanding for how one might do one's own work.

I just see you as someone who has used the program so extensively and
understands it so thoroughly, I'd jump at the chance to just see your setups
and catch some of your ideas.

I use live extensively myself.  It's pretty much my standard performance
tool, but I have the sense that there is a whole other realm which I might
not yet be exploring...

That's all.

T.




On 3/28/05 2:35 PM, "Per Boysen" <per@boysen.se> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 27, 2005, at 21:59, todd reynolds wrote:
> 
>> 8< 8< 8< 8<  Ableton Live, 8< 8< 8< 8<
> 
>>  If I could just
>> have one lesson with Per  on live, perhaps things would be just
>> perfect...
>> 
>> todd
> 
> Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any
> specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we can
> have a discussion!
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
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> 

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For what it is worth:   despite the limitations of the Line 6 DL-4,  I love 
this unit intensely and have been using it
for my first loop capabilities ever since it was released.     I also use 
the amazing EDP and Repeater (the high budget
loopers)  but I've done many quickie shows that didn't allow long setup 
times with just two DL-4s.

I have found that if you put the loop into constant overdub mode that the 
time it takes for the inistial loop to fade out is so long
that I can't use that feature as a way of fading out a piece in real time.

So, even though there is some loss of the original loops it can easily be 
overcompensated by making your first loops signals
be hotter than subsequent loops.

Also, I have found that musically, one typically doesn't want to use a whole 
hell of a lot of static loops in a piece............it makes the
piece...................well..................static to do so.

Typically, and I play multiple instruments, in my live shows I rarely use 
more than three or four static loops.

The Line 6 can easily handle this amount without having it's loop 
degeneration be a liability musically speaking.

Also,  I find that when using a looper to make rhythmic ostinato loops 
(which we play over) that it actually seems to work for me
to use shorter loops (one or two bar at the most), in which case at most 
normal tempi, the Line 6s 14 second looping time
is not a defect.

If you want really long ambient loops where the audience doesn't hear where 
the loop occurs,  you might consider the Boss Loop Station.
I have found that if your loops are very much longer than 15 or 20 seconds 
that audiences frequently don't percieve them as loops.
That, of course, can be musical, but I personally love minimalistic 
repitition which is why I'm so fascinated by live looping.

Another advantage is that the Line 6 DL4 really sounds pretty damn good 
fidelity wise (better than EDP, imho and on par with the Repeater)
so that makes it the cheapest high quality looper that has multiple features 
on the market.

Now,  if I could only get an endorsement with those 
suckers..........................I've worn out both of my 
DL4s....................lol

Rick Walker 

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The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they
don't record digital ins!  Very irksome as my board has a nice digital
out...

On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer <redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio
> system. I like the small size and the 24/96
> capability.
> 
> I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I
> find it rising...and rising.
> --New PDA $450-650
> --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only)
> --PDA recording software $50
> --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each
> --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my
>                case)
> --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo
> mic....$150-?
> 
> .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other
> choices....perhaps even a laptop?
> Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I
> could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment
> books, etc).
> I guess these are questions I need to decide for
> myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz?
> Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull
> to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD
> burner available? ....I'm so confused.
> 
> =RANDY=
> 
> 
> --- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> > At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote:
> > >I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
> > >
> > >The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
> > >
> > >There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
> > >desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
> > >SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
> > >equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
> > >outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea
> > creature
> > >under my desk.)
> >
> >
> > Or you could try the PDAudio from
> > http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't
> > seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's
> > has been great.
> >
> >
> > Edwin
> > --
> >
> > Edwin Hurwitz
> > Boulder CO
> > http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> > http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
> > Services
> >
> >
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Make Yahoo! your home page
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> 
> 


-- 
     /t

http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar

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The Marantz PMD670 has digital input.

On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote:

> The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they
> don't record digital ins!  Very irksome as my board has a nice digital
> out...
>
> On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer <redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
>> I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio
>> system. I like the small size and the 24/96
>> capability.
>>
>> I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I
>> find it rising...and rising.
>> --New PDA $450-650
>> --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only)
>> --PDA recording software $50
>> --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each
>> --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my
>>                case)
>> --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo
>> mic....$150-?
>>
>> .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other
>> choices....perhaps even a laptop?
>> Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I
>> could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment
>> books, etc).
>> I guess these are questions I need to decide for
>> myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz?
>> Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull
>> to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD
>> burner available? ....I'm so confused.
>>
>> =RANDY=
>>
>>
>> --- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
>>> At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote:
>>>> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
>>>>
>>>> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
>>>>
>>>> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
>>>> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
>>>> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
>>>> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
>>>> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea
>>> creature
>>>> under my desk.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Or you could try the PDAudio from
>>> http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't
>>> seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's
>>> has been great.
>>>
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>> --
>>>
>>> Edwin Hurwitz
>>> Boulder CO
>>> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
>>> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
>>> Services
>>>
>>>
>>
>> __________________________________
>> Do you Yahoo!?
>> Make Yahoo! your home page
>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
>      /t
>
> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar
>
>
--
| Michael A. Firman
| maf@mlswebworks.com
| http://www.mlswebworks.com

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The iRiver iHP140, despite its disguise as an mp3 player, has an 
optical SPDIF input and will record uncompressed WAV files.

Then there's the Sound Devices 744T...save those pennies...

> The Marantz PMD670 has digital input.
>
> On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote:
>
>> The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they
>> don't record digital ins!  Very irksome as my board has a nice digital
>> out...
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer 
>> <redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio
>>> system. I like the small size and the 24/96
>>> capability.
>>>
>>> I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I
>>> find it rising...and rising.
>>> --New PDA $450-650
>>> --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only)
>>> --PDA recording software $50
>>> --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each
>>> --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my
>>>                case)
>>> --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo
>>> mic....$150-?
>>>
>>> .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other
>>> choices....perhaps even a laptop?
>>> Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I
>>> could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment
>>> books, etc).
>>> I guess these are questions I need to decide for
>>> myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz?
>>> Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull
>>> to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD
>>> burner available? ....I'm so confused.
>>>
>>> =RANDY=
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
>>>> At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote:
>>>>> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
>>>>> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
>>>>> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
>>>>> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
>>>>> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea
>>>> creature
>>>>> under my desk.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or you could try the PDAudio from
>>>> http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't
>>>> seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's
>>>> has been great.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Edwin
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Edwin Hurwitz
>>>> Boulder CO
>>>> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
>>>> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
>>>> Services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________
>>> Do you Yahoo!?
>>> Make Yahoo! your home page
>>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>      /t
>>
>> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar
>>
>>
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>

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I'm finding my away around mobius. I'm trying to make the tracks loop to
exact multiples of the first track recorded. Is this possible? If not it
would be very useful I think. Also may I suggest seperate CC maps for
output and feedback levels- it would make mixing on the fly much easier.

Thanks,

Dylan


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Alex Stahl wrote:

> The iRiver iHP140, despite its disguise as an mp3 player, has an
> optical SPDIF input and will record uncompressed WAV files.
>
> Then there's the Sound Devices 744T...save those pennies...
>
> > The Marantz PMD670 has digital input.
> >
> > On Mar 28, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote:
> >
> >> The problem that all the other recorders appear to have is that they
> >> don't record digital ins!  Very irksome as my board has a nice digital
> >> out...
> >>
> >> On Mar 27, 2005 10:06 PM, Randy Leifer
> >> <redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> I'm seriously thinking of the Core Sound PDAudio
> >>> system. I like the small size and the 24/96
> >>> capability.
> >>>
> >>> I am a bit tentative though. Pricing this system, I
> >>> find it rising...and rising.
> >>> --New PDA $450-650
> >>> --PDAudio hardware $200(CF card, digital in only)
> >>> --PDA recording software $50
> >>> --SanDisc mem card 1g $80-100 each
> >>> --Mic2496 $500 (for field recordings, optional in my
> >>>                case)
> >>> --add cables, extra mem cards, case, possibly a stereo
> >>> mic....$150-?
> >>>
> >>> .....Now you can see, this is about the price of other
> >>> choices....perhaps even a laptop?
> >>> Of course I would be gaining a PDA to use.....if I
> >>> could FIND a use for it!! (I don't use appointment
> >>> books, etc).
> >>> I guess these are questions I need to decide for
> >>> myself....Do I really need anything over 16bit/24khz?
> >>> Is the PDAudio's portability going to become usefull
> >>> to me? Should I just find the cheapest rackmount CD
> >>> burner available? ....I'm so confused.
> >>>
> >>> =RANDY=
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com> wrote:
> >>>> At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/05, Randy Leifer wrote:
> >>>>> I've narrowed my choices to 2 so far.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Edirol R1 and the Tascam DP-01fx.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a third option. I COULD buy an el'cheapo
> >>>>> desktop PC, and put my recording software (Cubase
> >>>>> SL)on there...but I don't have room for that
> >>>>> equiptment...and I am close to maxing out my wall
> >>>>> outlets already. (I have an eight-legged sea
> >>>> creature
> >>>>> under my desk.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Or you could try the PDAudio from
> >>>> http://www.core-sound.com/ Haven't
> >>>> seen it myself, but everything I have seen of Len's
> >>>> has been great.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Edwin
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Edwin Hurwitz
> >>>> Boulder CO
> >>>> http://www.indra.com/~edwin
> >>>> http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording
> >>>> Services
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________
> >>> Do you Yahoo!?
> >>> Make Yahoo! your home page
> >>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>      /t
> >>
> >> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > | Michael A. Firman
> > | maf@mlswebworks.com
> > | http://www.mlswebworks.com
> >
>
>

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My goof ! I meant that the DD-20 has feedback control=85sorry for the
confusion, all fellow loopies !

=20

Ed in NJ

=20

PS But the RC-20XL would be SO COOL with feedback!!! C=92mon, BOSS, get =
with
it !!!!!!!!!

=20

  _____ =20

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=20

Hi,

=20

I=B4ve checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn=B4t find any =
clue
about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did you do feedback control?

=20

Ingo

=20

=20

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From: ejyuhas <mailto:ejyuhas@earthlink.net> =20

To: 'Stephanie <mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com>  Stemmler' ;
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20

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Subject: RE: basic loop equipment

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Hello and welcome!

I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy =
to
use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control.

Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available.

Click here for more:  http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/

Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, too. =
Now
I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming...

Ed in NJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]=20
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: basic loop equipment

I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then hear
that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking about cassette 4 track
recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops.

What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice
tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that.  Thanks!


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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ejyuhas<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello and welcome!<br>
<br>
I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy =
to<br>
use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control.<br>
<br>
Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available.<br>
<br>
Click here for more:&nbsp; <a
href=3D"http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/">http://www.bossco=
rp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/</a><br>
<br>
Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, too. =
Now<br>
I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming...<br>
<br>
Ed in NJ<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com] <br>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM<br>
To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</a><br>
Subject: basic loop equipment<br>
<br>
I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then =
hear<br>
that while I learn to play solos.&nbsp; I was thinking about cassette 4 =
track<br>
recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops.<br>
<br>
What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice<br>
tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that.&nbsp; =
Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Dylan wrote:
> I'm finding my away around mobius. I'm trying to make the tracks loop to
> exact multiples of the first track recorded. Is this possible?

Set the Track Copy parameter to Timing.  Then, when you select a
track that is empty, it will automatically be given an initial loop
that is exactly the same size of the loop playing in the previous track.
 From there you can use Multiply to make it larger, or quantized
unrounded multiply (Multiply followed by Record) to make it smaller.

> Also may I suggest seperate CC maps for
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Yes, good idea.

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On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:28:50AM -0800, Travis Hartnett wrote:
> Right--that's what I meant.  But, the fixed and high feedback level in
> overdub is a big limitation in my opinion.

	It is to some degree. I tend to work around it
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Bill - Will this be recorded? I'd love to get a "bootleg" copy, even if recorded into a minidisk or something.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">The kick off concert will feature guitarist extraordinaire,<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>ANDRE LaFOSSE&nbsp;from Los Angeles, and Santa Cruz guitar wiz BILL WALKER, as well as special guest Rick Walker who will&nbsp;act as MC.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">Andre La fosse, a self-described “ turntablist<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>guitarist”, creates<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>complex, multi-layered<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>guitar improvisations that defy easy description..<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Bill Walker creates ambient impressionistic <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>soundscapes ,<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>that he describes as “music for imaginary movies”.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;Both of these&nbsp;accomplished guitarists represent mastery of two poles of &nbsp;the worlds' most sophisticated live looping hardware&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">The performance starts at 7:00, and is FREE to all ages of the public.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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I was curious how many of you would recommend upgrading from Reason 
2.5 to 3.0 (assuming you've done so yourself)? This is the last week 
to get the upgrade price of $129, and I'm debating whether or not to 
do it. Advice would be appreciated. Fwiw, I haven't learned 2.5 
yet--not that that really matters, I guess.

Thanks,

Jeff

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I took a poke at the manual as well, and the only thing remotely =
resembling feedback was the 'fade out' feature. I was excited there for =
a moment, but at $295 at most of the places I checked, it seems a bit =
high... it DOES fill a niche with a large amount of storage and the =
ability to save loops. Might do a store demo to see just how enamored I =
might be with it.

I've roasted two DL4's over the last 6 years, and I'm really =
disappointed with the headroom of the unit. It's about 3db shy of the =
levels I normally put through most processors, and customer service =
really sucks.

I'm still quite happy with my EDP, but really like to have a floor unit =
as a small 'out the door' option. I'm tempted to check out the DL20 with =
it's 23 secs (or is it 26?)

-Miko
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20
Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com  www.cdbaby.com/biffoz
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ito=20
  To: ejyuhas=20
  Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:43 PM
  Subject: Re: basic loop equipment


  Hi,

  I=B4ve checked the manual of the RC-20XL twice but I didn=B4t find any =
clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How did you do feedback =
control?

  Ingo


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: ejyuhas=20
    To: 'Stephanie Stemmler' ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:02 PM
    Subject: RE: basic loop equipment


    Hello and welcome!

    I would suggest the Boss RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), =
easy to
    use, and if you wish to experiment further, it has feedback control.

    Plus, there is 16 minutes of loop time available.

    Click here for more:  http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/

    Be careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, =
too. Now
    I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's habit-forming...

    Ed in NJ

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Stephanie Stemmler [mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com]=20
    Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:15 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: basic loop equipment

    I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to play 12 bar blues and then =
hear
    that while I learn to play solos.  I was thinking about cassette 4 =
track
    recorder...but then saw stuff about guitar effect pedals with loops.

    What's the best way to do what I want to do? I just want a practice
    tool---not a mega-recording station or something like that.  Thanks!

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I took a poke at the manual as well, =
and the only=20
thing remotely resembling feedback was the 'fade out' feature. I was =
excited=20
there for a moment, but at $295 at most of the places I checked, it =
seems a bit=20
high... it DOES fill a niche with a large amount of storage and the =
ability to=20
save loops. Might do a store demo to see just how enamored I might be =
with=20
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've roasted two DL4's over the last 6 =
years, and=20
I'm really disappointed with the headroom of the unit. It's about 3db =
shy of the=20
levels I normally put through most processors, and customer service =
really=20
sucks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still quite happy with my EDP, but =
really like=20
to have a floor unit as a small 'out the door' option. I'm tempted to =
check out=20
the DL20 with it's 23 secs (or is it 26?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Miko</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Running scared from all the usual =
distractions!"=20
<BR>Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/biffoz">www.cdbaby.com/biffoz</A></FONT></D=
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  <A title=3Dito@itofarm.com href=3D"mailto:ito@itofarm.com">ito</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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equipment</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4>I=B4ve checked the manual of the =
RC-20XL twice but=20
  I didn=B4t find any clue about adjusting "feedback" of a loop?! How =
did you do=20
  feedback control?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4>Ingo</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <A title=3Dejyuhas@earthlink.net=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
    title=3Dsstemmler@above-the-fold.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:sstemmler@above-the-fold.com">'Stephanie =
Stemmler'</A> ; <A=20
    title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
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href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 27, 2005 =
4:02=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: basic loop =
equipment</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>Hello and welcome!<BR><BR>I would suggest the Boss=20
    RC-20XL...it is affordable ($~250 or so), easy to<BR>use, and if you =
wish to=20
    experiment further, it has feedback control.<BR><BR>Plus, there is =
16=20
    minutes of loop time available.<BR><BR>Click here for more:&nbsp; <A =

    =
href=3D"http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/">http://www.bossco=
rp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/</A><BR><BR>Be=20
    careful! I started looping as a way to learn scales and soloing, =
too.=20
    Now<BR>I own 3 different loopers and a laptop!! LOL It's=20
    habit-forming...<BR><BR>Ed in NJ<BR><BR>-----Original =
Message-----<BR>From:=20
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Saturday,=20
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    =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
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    basic loop equipment<BR><BR>I am a BEGINNER guitar player. Wanted to =
play 12=20
    bar blues and then hear<BR>that while I learn to play solos.&nbsp; I =
was=20
    thinking about cassette 4 track<BR>recorder...but then saw stuff =
about=20
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At 11:35 PM -0600 3/28/05, Jeff Shirkey wrote:
>I was curious how many of you would recommend upgrading from Reason 
>2.5 to 3.0 (assuming you've done so yourself)? This is the last week 
>to get the upgrade price of $129, and I'm debating whether or not to 
>do it. Advice would be appreciated. Fwiw, I haven't learned 2.5 
>yet--not that that really matters, I guess.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff

Where did you see that this is the last week for an upgrade?


TIA
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> Per Boysen wrote:
>> Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any 
>> specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we 
>> can have a discussion!

On Mar 28, 2005, at 22:20, Jeff Larson wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to the original post, but since we're
> talking about Live I have a question regarding "1st loop capability".

8< 8< 8< 8< 8<

> I remember reading on this list several months ago that there was a
> fundamental problem with plugins being a sync master for Live

8< 8< 8< 8<


Hi,

There is a thread for wishing better performance from Live on these 
matters at the *Ableton forum:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11557

Personally I don't have a problem with Live catching up slowly. Maybe 
because I have been using a Repeater slaved to an EDP? The Repeater 
constantly struggling to catch up the new tempi. I have to say I 
acutally liked the sound of the two loopers going in and out of perfect 
sync. To my own taste Live is almost too fast to catch up, I can never 
get that slooow phase of speeding up or slowing down to reach the tempo 
of the other looper.  So that's why I nowadays tend to run Live as the 
sync master and slaving the EDP (but also because I like to go 
Half/Double tempo in the EDP without having the entire "wall of sound" 
bending over).

But I do see your point! The 1st loop functionality is really powerful 
when performing live. You can simply start playing and off you go. 
Never have to think about tempo, it's all about the music. This I have 
only experienced with the EDP as sync master and a slaved Repeater. 
When looping together with other musicians I still find the EDP the 
best way of syncing, because you can always sync manually by redefining 
the loop length on-the-fly (multiply-rec, re-rec etc).

With Live 4 as master I have to keep a pedal mapped to the Tap Tempo 
function and I find this a little more troublesome than the EDP 
"destructive" method.

BTW I suspect this discussion about software looping also is biased by 
everyones different tastes in music making with loopers. When it comes 
to creating music with chord changeds there are two different 
approaches in live looping:

1) There is one technique in live looping where you play melodies and 
chord changes into a long loop and than overdub layers. To me Matthias 
Grob is a very good example of doing this very well on the EDP. You can 
build music in the classic "Tubular Bells" (Mike Oldsfield) way. Then 
do a destructive cut-out of a segment of the long piece you have 
looping and start building again from that seed. The option for using 
this technique I do miss a loot in software looping (yes, got 
SooperLooer, but the Jack 6.1 is only working on my big G5 and not on 
my PowerBook with an Echo i/o card).

2) Another technique, especially well suited for the software available 
today, is to record shorter loops in parallel and use midi pedals to 
transpose the loops to match chord changes on-the-fly. For doing it 
this way, I have gravitated towards using Augustus Loop in Live 4. I'm 
afraid I don't know about any looping plug-in for Windows that can be 
transposed while looping/recording/overdubbing.  An eventual "drawback" 
(but again, this all depends on your musical tastes) is that the loops 
is getting shorter when transposed to higher pitches and vice versa. I 
kind of try to adapt to that musically, but I admit I miss the option 
of also playing like "alt 1" (above) in software. So "a fix" to stay 
clear of too radical poly rhythm, has been to create midi clips in Live 
(controlled from midi pedals) that induce a soft beat synced tremolo to 
the loops. If the looping is getting too "washy" I can steer it up by 
slapping a tremolo on one of the loops (or both). Here's an audio clip 
example of that Powerbook/ Live4 / 2 Augustus Loop set-up:
http://www.looproom.com/Future_Leadership_Hits/flute_livelooping.mp3

Musolomo for OS X is said to be able to overdub loops as well as time 
stretch the length, but I have not been able to get it working for me. 
It seems you need to send a midi note to trigger the loop (like in 
pHATmatic PRO) and I have not taken the time to set up an environment 
for that in Live (but I guess it would be possible to do).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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>Where did you see that this is the last week for an upgrade?

They sent me an email.

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Thank you. Thought I tried this, must have gone wrong somewhere.

Dylan


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Jeff Larson wrote:

> Dylan wrote:
> > I'm finding my away around mobius. I'm trying to make the tracks loop to
> > exact multiples of the first track recorded. Is this possible?
>
> Set the Track Copy parameter to Timing.  Then, when you select a
> track that is empty, it will automatically be given an initial loop
> that is exactly the same size of the loop playing in the previous track.
>  From there you can use Multiply to make it larger, or quantized
> unrounded multiply (Multiply followed by Record) to make it smaller.
>
> > Also may I suggest seperate CC maps for
> > output and feedback levels- it would make mixing on the fly much easier.
>
> Yes, good idea.
>
> For general Mobius usage questions and feature requests, there is a Yahoo
> group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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I use 3-4 Line 6 Dl4s in my setup and have been noticing an issue with
the metal Toggle switches on them as of late. It seems that they get
worn out quickly and start getting jammed at horrible & crucial
moments. Maybe I am too hard on the metal toggle switches when I stomp
down on 'em but, I do not think that is the case. Have any of you ever
had this sort of problem with your DL4? thanks!
c.

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Not to flog a dead horsie, Rick, but I just gotta say that your Green disc continues to kick my ass. I haven't gotten bored of it even after a bazillion plays, and I doubt I will EVER get tired of it. I only hope that my upcoming avant disc is as nicely balanced.
That was done with DL-4s?
Luv,
Tim Mungenast
 

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: LINE 6 DL-4

For what it is worth:   despite the limitations of the Line 6 DL-4,  I love 
this unit intensely and have been using it
for my first loop capabilities ever since it was released.     I also use 
the amazing EDP and Repeater (the high budget
loopers)  but I've done many quickie shows that didn't allow long setup 
times with just two DL-4s.

I have found that if you put the loop into constant overdub mode that the 
time it takes for the inistial loop to fade out is so long
that I can't use that feature as a way of fading out a piece in real time.

So, even though there is some loss of the original loops it can easily be 
overcompensated by making your first loops signals
be hotter than subsequent loops.

Also, I have found that musically, one typically doesn't want to use a whole 
hell of a lot of static loops in a piece............it makes the
piece...................well..................static to do so.

Typically, and I play multiple instruments, in my live shows I rarely use 
more than three or four static loops.

The Line 6 can easily handle this amount without having it's loop 
degeneration be a liability musically speaking.

Also,  I find that when using a looper to make rhythmic ostinato loops 
(which we play over) that it actually seems to work for me
to use shorter loops (one or two bar at the most), in which case at most 
normal tempi, the Line 6s 14 second looping time
is not a defect.

If you want really long ambient loops where the audience doesn't hear where 
the loop occurs,  you might consider the Boss Loop Station.
I have found that if your loops are very much longer than 15 or 20 seconds 
that audiences frequently don't percieve them as loops.
That, of course, can be musical, but I personally love minimalistic 
repitition which is why I'm so fascinated by live looping.

Another advantage is that the Line 6 DL4 really sounds pretty damn good 
fidelity wise (better than EDP, imho and on par with the Repeater)
so that makes it the cheapest high quality looper that has multiple features 
on the market.

Now,  if I could only get an endorsement with those 
suckers..........................I've worn out both of my 
DL4s....................lol

Rick Walker 


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" "Stompbox" is a nickname, not an operating instruction..."

Sorry I meant to say, 'when I gently nuzzle my toggle switch with my
freshly manicured toe....."
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Hi dear friends,
tonight (00,40 italian time) I will be interviwed by Rai International 
(international channel of italian primary radio) 
http://www.international.rai.it/notturnoitaliano/
Being it on air all over the world, I thought it would be nice you to 
know about this because I will create the chance to talk about you, 
about the friends I have been lucky to meet here and about how important 
this list has been for me, being partecipating to it since several years 
( how many ???).
I take this chance to send a great hug to those who I didn't had the 
chance and the serenity to keep a stable contact with - my input is 
costantly overloading my threshold since many months now and I just hope 
the time will come that I will have the lucky to slow down and breath deep.

So, I apologize for use of bandwidth, I wanted to let you know that 
there will be the LD name and glory on the air tonight.

My best,
luca

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It's hard to recommend an upgrade as each person wants different things from a
given tool... But, having said that, and, if nothing else, 3.0 'sounds
better'... I loaded a track I had been working on just hours before 3.0 arrived
and I heard a big difference... I wasn't looking for a difference.. I expected
my song to sound exactly the same... but, it was more 'open', more 'clear'
sounding... as well there is the new mastering tools, which are useless to me
until I learn how to use them properly.. lol... and the Combinator it proving
to be quite powerful, for me, as I love to build things from lots of parts..
:)

peace
-cpr

Quoting Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com>:

> At 11:35 PM -0600 3/28/05, Jeff Shirkey wrote:
> >I was curious how many of you would recommend upgrading from Reason 
> >2.5 to 3.0 (assuming you've done so yourself)? This is the last week 
> >to get the upgrade price of $129, and I'm debating whether or not to 
> >do it. Advice would be appreciated. Fwiw, I haven't learned 2.5 
> >yet--not that that really matters, I guess.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jeff
> 
> Where did you see that this is the last week for an upgrade?
> 
> 
> TIA
> Edwin
> -- 
> 
> Edwin Hurwitz
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Magicada is a great website, dude, and congrats on the great review:
"if you have a hard time submerging yourself in this sort of music without ticking off Roland D-50 patches as you hear them, you'll be happy"
Damn, thats funny, and a hell of a testimonial. I'm intrigued. Wanna trade discs? I'm sure some of my fellow loopies can vouch for me and my disc ;-)
~Tim Mungenast
www.mungenast.com
www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat
(also check me out in the All Music Guide (www.allmusic.com)



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" "Stompbox" is a nickname, not an operating instruction..."

Sorry I meant to say, 'when I gently nuzzle my toggle switch with my
freshly manicured toe....."
:)
-c.

www.magicicada.com


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At 03:33 AM 3/29/2005, Per Boysen wrote:

>Musolomo for OS X is said to be able to overdub loops as well as time 
>stretch the length, but I have not been able to get it working for me. It 
>seems you need to send a midi note to trigger the loop (like in pHATmatic 
>PRO) and I have not taken the time to set up an environment for that in 
>Live (but I guess it would be possible to do).

Per,

Musolomo's actually got some really cool things happening.  I've been 
playing around with it the past couple of weeks, and I think that you'd 
probably dig a few of the functions it implements.  I wouldn't think of it 
as a replacement for Augustus Loop, by any means, but I think it augments 
AL in the same way that the EDP and Repeater can augment each other.

Anyway, when I first started playing around with Musolomo, I was doing 
things quick-&-dirty by using the computer (ASCII) keyboard within Live to 
trigger the keys (out of the box Musolomo works by holding down one key to 
start recording, then pressing another key to tell it which note you want 
the sample mapped to).  However, I discovered that the octaves seem to be 
off on the computer keyboard within Live.  While Musolomo normally has the 
'Record' function mapped to key C3 by default, Live's computer keyboard 
mapping actually puts it on C2, I believe.

Just one potential gotcha, so I thought I'd get it out there...

Also, all of Musolomo's functions can be remapped to different MIDI 
notes/events (up to two MIDI mappings for each function, according to the 
docs).  Haven't played with this yet, but that should make things easier 
after initial setup.

         --m.

_____
"Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings"
    

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>It's hard to recommend an upgrade as each person wants different things from a
>given tool... But, having said that, and, if nothing else, 3.0 'sounds
>better'...

Thanks...that's helpful info. Sound quality matters. ;)

It could be that I'm reading the email I got from Propellerheads 
wrong. It states:

At 6:10 PM +0100 3/26/05, noreply@propellerheads.se wrote:
>Just a note to let you know that this is the last week to get your 
>Reason 3.0 upgrade with free shipping for only $129 from the Line 6 
>online store.

It could be that this is merely the last week for *free shipping*, 
not the last week for getting the upgrade for $129. I suppose the 
message is deliberately ambiguous, since they want people to spend 
money now to upgrade.

Jeff

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At 9:56 AM -0500 3/29/05, magicicada wrote:
>I use 3-4 Line 6 Dl4s in my setup and have been noticing an issue with
>the metal Toggle switches on them as of late. It seems that they get
>worn out quickly and start getting jammed at horrible & crucial
>moments. Maybe I am too hard on the metal toggle switches when I stomp
>down on 'em but, I do not think that is the case. Have any of you ever
>had this sort of problem with your DL4? thanks!

Is the problem with the metal switches or with the switches mounted 
on the circuit board? In case you don't know (many people don't) the 
metal "switches" that you see and interact will actually don't have 
any signal passing through them. They simply actuate smaller (and 
more fragile) switches inside the unit.
-- 

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Right on!

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At 11:34 AM -0800 3/29/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>At 9:56 AM -0500 3/29/05, magicicada wrote:
>>I use 3-4 Line 6 Dl4s in my setup and have been noticing an issue with
>>the metal Toggle switches on them as of late. It seems that they get
>>worn out quickly and start getting jammed at horrible & crucial
>>moments. Maybe I am too hard on the metal toggle switches when I stomp
>>down on 'em but, I do not think that is the case. Have any of you ever
>>had this sort of problem with your DL4? thanks!
>
>Is the problem with the metal switches or with the switches mounted 
>on the circuit board? In case you don't know (many people don't) the 
>metal "switches" that you see and interact will actually don't have 
>any signal passing through them. They simply actuate smaller (and 
>more fragile) switches inside the unit.
>--


This is something I have noticed more and more and it really gets me 
going. A few years ago I got the Lexicon G2 and the R1 footswitch 
that went with it. I had been using Lexicon gear for quite a while 
(my first looping was done with an LXP 5! Not recommended) and was 
always very happy with their customer services, etc. Within a week of 
getting the R1, the switches started getting flaky. I discovered that 
what appear to be footswitches are just plungers for surface mount 
film switches. There was a known problem with a batch of switches, 
but instead of doing a recall or decent QC, they sent them all out 
anyway. So, I had to send the unit back at my cost and wait three 
weeks for them to replace the switches. You would think that since it 
was brand new, they would swap it out with another unit and not 
charge me for shipping, but no. I would say that as far as customer 
service goes, the Harmon Group move was a bad one. When they go bad 
again (and they will, it's just a matter of time), I intend to 
replace them all with real switches. For a $400 pedal, I really 
expected a lot more.

</rant>
Edwin
-- 

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>
>It could be that this is merely the last week for *free shipping*, 
>not the last week for getting the upgrade for $129. I suppose the 
>message is deliberately ambiguous, since they want people to spend 
>money now to upgrade.
>
>Jeff

It's the shipping. I called Line 6 (the distributor in the US for 
Reason) to find out what the deal was. Musician's Friend and others 
will ship it for free, so there's no rush if you don't want to get it 
right now.

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>>
>
>It's the shipping. I called Line 6 (the distributor in the US for 
>Reason) to find out what the deal was.

I called Line 6 earlier also, and they had no clue. If you go here, 
it states pretty explicitly that the price itself is only good for a 
limited time:

https://www.costore.com/line6/welcome.asp

So, I don't know. The Line 6 people were of no help whatsoever, so I 
went ahead and upgraded. What the hell, right?

Jeff

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On Mar 29, 2005, at 20:45, Mech wrote:

>  While Musolomo normally has the 'Record' function mapped to key C3 by 
> default, Live's computer keyboard mapping actually puts it on C2, I 
> believe.

Yes, that makes some kind of sense. I have a vague memory from early 
Cubase days that C3, "middle C", usually differs by one octave in 
German vs American instruments.

> Just one potential gotcha, so I thought I'd get it out there...

Thanks for pointing it out! It never touched my mind that the old 
octave difference should still be around ;-)  Got at Musolo yesterday 
from the Live 4 computer keyboard by using C2.

Now, the next problem to solve is how to set up a Berhringer FCB1010 to 
send a C3/C2 note while at the same time sending another midi note for 
the sample to be triggered by. Since a FCB can only send one midi note 
at a time I think I will try to use the FCB to trig a certain midi clip 
I will prepare in Live 4; a midi clip that sends the midi notes needed 
to Musolomo.

I think the ability of Live 4 to use midi clips to control software 
plug-ins is very powerful. If anyone is interested, a similar option is 
provided by using Numerology as the plug-in host.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Ciao Luca,
just finished listening (via web)...
congrats !
I really liked both the music and the talk.
Should you play in Roma, please let me know.
Ciao
Marco


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:12:17 +0200, Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> wrote:
> Hi dear friends,
> tonight (00,40 italian time) I will be interviwed by Rai International
> (international channel of italian primary radio)
> http://www.international.rai.it/notturnoitaliano/

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Two if by Sea

a duo/live-looping event

brought to you by the Second Sundays live looping series


Show date: May 8, 2005

Location: The ATTIC performance space, Santa Cruz, CA

 
If you are interested in performing at this show:

Please send your web link or email audio samples, biographical, contact
info, etc. to: d.ans@rcn.com

OR put a CD of your music/sound work and your info in the mail  BY APRIL 7
to:

Envelope Productions
6066 Hillside Drive
Felton, CA 95018

Call 831-335-8336 for more info

Performers selected for the show will be notified by April 15.


IMPORTANT NOTE: 

Only the following types of performers will be considered for this show:

1. Duos with at least one member using looping as a significant part of the
sound production. Improvisational duos encouraged.

Or

2. Looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally with
another artist)

Or

3. Non-looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally
with a looping artist)


Note for duos: if using computers, only one computer-based musician per duo,
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</U></H3></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Please send your web link or email=
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APRIL 7</B> to:<BR>
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...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? 
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? 
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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Just to provide a little more information on the show described in my
03/20/05 post =B3Call for performers for upcoming West Coast show=B2--

This show is the second installation of the =B3Second Sundays Live Looping
Series.=B2 This series was created by our own illustrious Rick Walker, and
Rick, Bill Walker, and myself are taking turns producing the shows. (The
first show of the series will be on April 10; see Bill=B9s post on 03/28/05
for more info.)

The shows are held in a beautiful new performance space in downtown Santa
Cruz called The ATTIC.

Look forward to working with you all to make this series an ongoing
opportunity for looping musicians to meet, perform, collaborate, and
experiment.

Yours loopily,


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Two if by Sea

a duo/live-looping event

brought to you by the Second Sundays live looping series


Show date: May 8, 2005

Location: The ATTIC performance space, Santa Cruz, CA

=20
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Please send your web link or email audio samples, biographical, contact
info, etc. to: d.ans@rcn.com

OR put a CD of your music/sound work and your info in the mail  BY APRIL 7
to:

Envelope Productions
6066 Hillside Drive
Felton, CA 95018

Call 831-335-8336 for more info

Performers selected for the show will be notified by April 15.


IMPORTANT NOTE:=20

Only the following types of performers will be considered for this show:

1. Duos with at least one member using looping as a significant part of the
sound production. Improvisational duos encouraged.

Or

2. Looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally wit=
h
another artist)

Or

3. Non-looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally
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This show is the second installation of the &#8220;Second Sundays Live Loop=
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The first show of the series will be on April 10; see Bill&#8217;s post on 0=
3/28/05 for more info.)<BR>
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ruz called The ATTIC.<BR>
<BR>
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Yours loopily,<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><H3>Two if by Sea<BR>
</H3></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><H3>a duo/live-looping event<BR>
</H3></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
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 Sundays live looping series<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><H3>Show date: May 8, 2005 <BR>
</H3></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><H3>Location: The ATTIC performance space, Santa =
Cruz, CA<BR>
</H3></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> <BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><H3><U>If you are interested in performing=
 at this show:<BR>
</U></H3></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Please send your web link or email=
 audio samples, biographical, contact info, etc. to: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><=
U>d.ans@rcn.com<BR>
</U></FONT><BR>
OR put a CD of your music/sound work and your info in the mail &nbsp;<B>BY =
APRIL 7</B> to:<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Envelope Productions<BR>
6066 Hillside Drive<BR>
Felton, CA 95018<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Call 831-335-8336 for more info<BR=
>
<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><H3>Performers selected for the show will =
be notified by April 15.<BR>
<BR>
</H3></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
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BR>
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><H3><BR>
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duos encouraged.<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Or<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
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aired up to perform improvisationally with another artist)<BR>
<BR>
Or<BR>
<BR>
3. Non-looping soloists (you will be paired up to perform improvisationally=
 with a looping artist)<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><U>Note for duos</U>: if using com=
puters, only one computer-based musician per duo, please.<BR>
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<DIV>Hey, Doug:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad&nbsp;for an&nbsp;excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes&nbsp;are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds&nbsp;created without an input signal. When&nbsp;a ModFX&nbsp;starts self-generating spacetones without an input,&nbsp;it's the box's way of saying goodbye.&nbsp;Yes, record&nbsp;the device's strangely beautiful &nbsp;"death song" for future loops if you want, but&nbsp;it is a sign that it's time to send&nbsp;the box&nbsp;back to its maker,&nbsp;UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally&nbsp;unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be&nbsp;VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps. BTW,&nbsp; lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that&nbsp;would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then&nbsp;mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sonic Luv,</DIV>
<DIV>Tim Mungenast</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.mungenast.com">www.mungenast.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.cdbaby.com/all">www.cdbaby.com/all</A><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Douglas Baldwin <COYOTELK@OPTONLINE.NET><BR>Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM <BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <BR>Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... <BR><BR></DIV><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"><ZZZMETA content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name="GENERATOR">
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<DIV><FONT size=2>...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanx madly,</FONT></DIV>
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> ...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) 
> and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are 
> certainly going into my looping rig!

I've got the Philtre.  I had been running my guitar through a Korg MS20 
for filtering effects and was looking for something more portable.  The 
Philtre is definitely more portable than the MS20, but I don't like the 
results as much as I was hoping to.  I miss the square wave modulation 
the MS20 has compared to the Philtre's triangle wave. 

So, the obvious question is: does anyone know of a small filter unit 
with multiple waveshapes on its LFO?

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Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist...
Monica

mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
Hey, Doug:
 
Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)
 
I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.
 
First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful  "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. 
 
They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.
 
Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.
 
I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.
 
Hope this helps. BTW,  lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.
 
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
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...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? 
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? 
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,</DIV>
<DIV>say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist...</DIV>
<DIV>Monica<BR><BR><B><I>mungenast@earthlink.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Hey, Doug:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad&nbsp;for an&nbsp;excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes&nbsp;are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds&nbsp;created without an input signal. When&nbsp;a ModFX&nbsp;starts self-generating spacetones without an input,&nbsp;it's the box's way of saying goodbye.&nbsp;Yes, record&nbsp;the device's strangely beautiful &nbsp;"death song" for future loops if you want, but&nbsp;it is a sign that it's time to send&nbsp;the box&nbsp;back to its maker,&nbsp;UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally&nbsp;unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be&nbsp;VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps. BTW,&nbsp; lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that&nbsp;would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then&nbsp;mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sonic Luv,</DIV>
<DIV>Tim Mungenast</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.mungenast.com/">www.mungenast.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanx madly,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>"Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,</DIV>
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<DIV>You mention two excellent examples, the Oldfield and the phone. I always loved the weird touch-tone/modem sound, which ringmod won't quite get, but the Bitrman's&nbsp;FM setting will. I just love it to pieces and would like to have it housed in a proper stompbox (as a fellow list member suggested recently), but it would be a drag to spend the money re-housing the little spacemodule only to have the circuitry commit hara-kiri again ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad&nbsp;for an&nbsp;excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes&nbsp;are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds&nbsp;created without an input signal. When&nbsp;a ModFX&nbsp;starts self-generating spacetones without an input,&nbsp;it's the box's way of saying goodbye.&nbsp;Yes, record&nbsp;the device's strangely beautiful &nbsp;"death song" for future loops if you want, but&nbsp;it is a sign that it's time to send&nbsp;the box&nbsp;back to its maker,&nbsp;UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally&nbsp;unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be&nbsp;VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps. BTW,&nbsp; lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that&nbsp;would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then&nbsp;mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sonic Luv,</DIV>
<DIV>Tim Mungenast</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.mungenast.com/">www.mungenast.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanx madly,</FONT></DIV>
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Speaking of space tunes...and yesterday the DL-4...I had found a setting combo
on the DL-4 that was exactly what I called "space blues" - I'll have to dig that out...Monica

mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
  "Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist..."
 
Holy cow, I wanna jam with *you*, space cowgirl! (LOL) 
You mention two excellent examples, the Oldfield and the phone. I always loved the weird touch-tone/modem sound, which ringmod won't quite get, but the Bitrman's FM setting will. I just love it to pieces and would like to have it housed in a proper stompbox (as a fellow list member suggested recently), but it would be a drag to spend the money re-housing the little spacemodule only to have the circuitry commit hara-kiri again ;-)
 
Yours in the Pefftronic Randomatic Chorus,
~Tim Mungenast
www.mungenast.com
www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat



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Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,
say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist...
Monica

mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
Hey, Doug:
 
Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)
 
I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad for an excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.
 
First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds created without an input signal. When a ModFX starts self-generating spacetones without an input, it's the box's way of saying goodbye. Yes, record the device's strangely beautiful  "death song" for future loops if you want, but it is a sign that it's time to send the box back to its maker, UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. 
 
They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.
 
Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.
 
I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.
 
Hope this helps. BTW,  lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.
 
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
www.mungenast.com
www.cdbaby.com/all


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...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!
    Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? 
    Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? 
    Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)
    Thanx madly,
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<DIV>Speaking of space tunes...and yesterday the DL-4...I had found a setting combo</DIV>
<DIV>on the DL-4 that was exactly what I called "space blues" - I'll have to dig that out...Monica<BR><BR><B><I>mungenast@earthlink.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>"Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,</DIV>
<DIV>say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist..."</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Holy cow, I wanna jam with *you*, space cowgirl! (LOL)&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You mention two excellent examples, the Oldfield and the phone. I always loved the weird touch-tone/modem sound, which ringmod won't quite get, but the Bitrman's&nbsp;FM setting will. I just love it to pieces and would like to have it housed in a proper stompbox (as a fellow list member suggested recently), but it would be a drag to spend the money re-housing the little spacemodule only to have the circuitry commit hara-kiri again ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Yours in the Pefftronic Randomatic Chorus,</DIV>
<DIV>~Tim Mungenast</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.mungenast.com/">www.mungenast.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat">www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Monica <COOLINTENSITY@YAHOO.COM><BR>Sent: Mar 31, 2005 1:11 PM <BR>To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com <BR>Subject: Re: KEEP THE PACKAGING!!!Re: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... <BR><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>Yeah sure comes in handy in a pinch when you need that guitar to sound like,</DIV>
<DIV>say, the inner workings of a telephone or the theme from The Exorcist...</DIV>
<DIV>Monica<BR><BR><B><I>mungenast@earthlink.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Hey, Doug:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Congrats and welcome to the ModFX club ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have often sung the praises of my Bitrman (and, to a lesser extent, my Smashup) in this forum, and I am glad&nbsp;for an&nbsp;excuse to expound their virtues and problems once again.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>First off, in spite of their many excellent and unique features and sounds, these boxes&nbsp;are unstable and prone to blowing up. Get an extended warranty AND register your purchase with Alesis. This will help when the little gems decide to go totally non-linear. (Look out for wacky sounds&nbsp;created without an input signal. When&nbsp;a ModFX&nbsp;starts self-generating spacetones without an input,&nbsp;it's the box's way of saying goodbye.&nbsp;Yes, record&nbsp;the device's strangely beautiful &nbsp;"death song" for future loops if you want, but&nbsp;it is a sign that it's time to send&nbsp;the box&nbsp;back to its maker,&nbsp;UNLESS you want to use it in its new application as a full-on noise generator instead of a signal processor. Me, I sent my Bitrman back and was glad I had registered it. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>They sent me a new unit... free in exchange for the old one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Overall, though, the Bitrman is a joy, an absolute joy. It makes my guitar sound totally&nbsp;unlike a guitar, which comes in handy for when I want to pray to my Martian ancestors. Complete derangement of the waveform, but it can be&nbsp;VERY musical noise, if you know what I mean. Best ring mod I've heard, and I am very fussy about ring mods (I own four!). It can also do stuff not found in any other box.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I only wish it didn't require AC, so I could run it with my Godlyke adaptor.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps. BTW,&nbsp; lemme know if you ever decide to try double-process the signal, i.e., running the mono output into the other input, a setup that&nbsp;would process the signal twice. (Mono signal into mono input, then&nbsp;mono output into the remaining input, then a very troubled signal comes out of the remaining output.) I have been too chicken to try this.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sonic Luv,</DIV>
<DIV>Tim Mungenast</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.cdbaby.com/all">www.cdbaby.com/all</A><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Douglas Baldwin <COYOTELK@OPTONLINE.NET><BR>Sent: Mar 31, 2005 10:52 AM <BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <BR>Subject: those wicked cool Alesis ModFX boxes... <BR><BR></DIV><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"><ZZZMETA name="GENERATOR" content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276">
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<DIV><FONT size=2>...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly going into my looping rig!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through the distortion" stuff)? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these colorful little skroinkers? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think I could cobble something together from sheet metal and/or L-brackets on my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanx madly,</FONT></DIV>
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In a message dated 3/31/05 10:52:58 AM, coyotelk@optonline.net writes:


> Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola problems with these 
> colorful little skroinkers?
> 

doug.....they are a bit noisy/fragile/.....they do a nice job of affecting 
the signal in real time but i don't know how much knob turning they can handle 
so don't get carried away.....i just ordered another bitrman cause i can see 
that the one i have now will not be around a whole lot longer.....i was 
reluctant to get the warrenty because i don't think these puppies will be in stock 
much more, none of them are still being made, i was surprised that MF had the 
bitrman in stock at all, i called to get the smashup because i love the 
compression patch "garage" on the ineko but i hate wasteing an ineko for just 
that.....i hope the smashup can give me that sound.....tim, what was your feel on the 
smashup?.....alesis should sponser me, i am now using: 2 inekos, soon 2 
bitrmans, soon a smashup, a phlngr, i have a faze waiting to get into the picture add 
in the air-synth and then have everything go thru a quadraverb 2 and 75% of 
my stuff is from alesis.....give me tea-shirt at least!.....the faze and the 
phlngr are no great shakes imho but the bitrman is a major gas, i wanted to buy 
several more but i have to sneak these into the house.....i can't say no to 
cheapo boxes.....they do hiss things up though.....remember the small table 
thread a few days ago when travis suggested the music stand, well my next move is 
to velcro all these boxes onto the stand so they will all be within reach 
especially since now i have got to stand when i play   (thanks kim :).....i'm very 
excited by the thought of having an ineko and bitrman both pre and post loop, 
total craziness.....you will love them!.....3 wacky skroinkers for under 150, 
what a deal!.....mic k

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Your sponsorship deal would probably be more likely if you stopped
going on about the fragility and hiss of the product in question....


On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:24:05 EST, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
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>  doug.....they are a bit noisy/fragile/.....they do a nice job of affecting
> the signal in real time but i don't know how much knob turning they can
> handle so don't get carried away.....i just ordered another bitrman cause i
> can see that the one i have now will not be around a whole lot longer.....i
> was reluctant to get the warrenty because i don't think these puppies will
> be in stock much more, none of them are still being made, i was surprised
> that MF had the bitrman in stock at all, i called to get the smashup because
> i love the compression patch "garage" on the ineko but i hate wasteing an
> ineko for just that.....i hope the smashup can give me that sound.....tim,
> what was your feel on the smashup?.....alesis should sponser me,....i can't say no to cheapo
> boxes.....they do hiss things up though.....

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> Your sponsorship deal would probably be more likely if you stopped
> going on about the fragility and hiss of the product in question...
> 

the truth shall set ye free!.....oh well!

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HEY!! Ive been looking for the ModFX Bitrman for AGES and AGES!!!!!! BUT =
guess what? Musicians friend willl not ship them out side of the US (due =
to manufacturer restrictions.. whatever THAT means!!) Is there some =
kind, and special list member (pref with a paypal account) who could buy =
one for me ( i would of course transfer cash to you first) and then send =
it on to me.. please please please!!!!

answer off list maybe?

HEEELP!!!


Mark



>...are on sale through Musicians Friend ($40 and $50 bucks per unit) =
and I just ordered the Bitrman, Metavox and Philtre. These are certainly =
going into my looping rig!
  >  Question #1A: Who's got 'em, and any tips on using them (beyond =
their obvious applications, and the usual "run your drum machine through =
the distortion" stuff)?=20
    >Question #1B: Have any of you fine folks experienced any wackola =
problems with these colorful little skroinkers?=20
    >Q #2: Musicians Friend no longer carries the rack mount for these =
units. Is there an alternate piece of hardware available, or do ya think =
I could cobble something together from sheet >metal and/or L-brackets on =
my own? (I'm good with tools, and never run with scissors.)



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